00:01 <@disperse (he/him)> What's the symbol to use the orb of fate to look for the vibrating square? ~ didn't seem to work 00:01 <@Shadow_Rider> ^ 00:01 <@Shadow_Rider> traps 00:01 <@disperse (he/him)> Ahh, that makes sense 00:01 <@Shadow_Rider> ~ finds only long worms or smth lol 00:01 -!- taichi has joined #hardfought 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 675 points, T:1972, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 00:10 <@disperse (he/him)> You can controlled level teleport up the wizard's tower with teleport control, right? 00:10 <@luxidream> yea 00:11 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1024 points, T:2380, [0:05:01], quit 00:11 <@disperse (he/him)> So, if I'm in 42, I'd confuse myself and teleport to 40? 00:11 <@luxidream> yep 00:11 <@luxidream> don't confuse yourself, use the orb 00:12 <@disperse (he/him)> Oh, I didn't remember it has level teleport 00:12 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 360 points, T:1194, [0:01:44], killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 00:13 <@disperse (he/him)> Oilskin cloak makes you perfectly safe from kraken, right? 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Ran Elf Mal Cha) murdered Samael, his faithful little dog, on T:742 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Zefnar (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 271 points, T:742, killed by a gas spore's explosion 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:6424 00:15 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1665, rt[0:02:08] 00:15 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 601 points, T:1684, [0:02:13], killed by a giant bat 00:15 <@Shadow_Rider> yes 00:15 <@Shadow_Rider> scaring instrument has 100% chance of scaring though 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38533 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:38535 00:17 <@disperse (he/him)> I don't suppose a cursed potion of gain level gets you out of the wizard's tower? 00:18 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1271, rt[0:02:03] 00:20 <@luxidream> I think you get an uneasy feeling 00:21 <@luxidream> I saw the wizard try it 00:21 <@disperse (he/him)> I realized I could confused teleport out (just used orb of fate so it would probably ignore me) 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:38675 00:23 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:3396, rt[0:07:10] 00:23 -!- taichi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:26 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4203, rt[0:09:54] 00:26 [hdf-us] [slth] Gutso (War Inc Mal Neu), 499 points, T:1251, killed by a gnome lord 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:38804 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:38806 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:38814 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:38817 00:29 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 1077 points, T:2103, killed by a gnome lord 00:29 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 00:29 !who 00:29 bugsniper: [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-us] disperse [nh370] KrO2 [dnh] Gutso [xnh] shadowrider38 [seed] | [hdf-au] No current players 00:30 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:32 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:32 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:32 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gutso (Pri Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:435 00:37 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 16284 points, T:8240, [0:20:53], quit 00:37 <@luxidream> why'd you go to mine's end 00:38 <@luxidream> are you running sokomines? 00:38 <@Shadow_Rider> i stubbornly wanted a pickaxe3 00:38 <@luxidream> maybe I should add sokomines to SRC 00:38 <@Shadow_Rider> good idea 00:38 <@Shadow_Rider> im going to try to luck into sub hour 00:38 <@luxidream> if TOME has master kill then we can definitely have sokomines lol 00:38 <@Shadow_Rider> and then go back to basics and actually get good at the game 00:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gutso (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 217 points, T:796, killed by a flint stone 00:38 <@luxidream> do a run in explore mode 00:39 <@luxidream> it's great practice 00:39 <@luxidream> and when something awful happens well it wasn't real anyway 00:39 <@Shadow_Rider> mm how many of those have you done? 00:39 <@luxidream> not as many as I should 00:39 <@luxidream> I did a few when I was grinding for sub hour 00:39 <@luxidream> got a couple sub hours in practice so I knew I could lock it in 00:39 <@Shadow_Rider> i mean i get enough wows that it wouldn't change much 00:39 <@Shadow_Rider> lol 00:40 <@luxidream> funny 00:40 <@Shadow_Rider> i think yesterday i got 3 within a 10 game span 00:40 <@luxidream> idk if I've seen one in the past month of practice 00:40 <@Shadow_Rider> lol i was going to ask 00:40 <@luxidream> I even got a few sub hours too 00:40 <@Shadow_Rider> if you have gotten any 00:41 <@luxidream> all like 56+ though so nothing cool 00:41 <@Shadow_Rider> what's the best you've done castle first? 00:41 <@luxidream> time to castle? 00:41 <@luxidream> no idea actually 00:41 <@Shadow_Rider> mm maybe it doesn't save that much time for you 00:41 <@Shadow_Rider> i meant doing castle before quest 00:41 <@luxidream> usually with wow I do quest first 00:41 <@luxidream> I don't see a huge benefit to doing castle first with wow 00:42 <@luxidream> you have to use resources that you may not have to escape 00:42 <@luxidream> whereas if you do quest first you don't have to worry 00:42 <@Shadow_Rider> i see 00:42 <@Shadow_Rider> is there a certain level that it is better to revgen krakens? 00:43 Experience level? 00:43 <@Shadow_Rider> yes 00:43 <@luxidream> I do that for the first revgeno 00:43 <@luxidream> they're a little annoying to kill though 00:43 Because if so, I remember something on the wiki saying doing that is often enough exp to get from 16 to 17 or something similar. 00:43 Have to refresh myself on that, obviously. 00:43 But also yeah, they can be a bit of a handful. 00:44 <@Shadow_Rider> was just thinking expected value vs wraiths 00:44 <@luxidream> 16 to 17 is some insane amount of exp, like 64000 or something 00:44 <@Shadow_Rider> i always get 1 corpse at a time up to lvl 13, and then get like 4 on the last one 00:45 <@Shadow_Rider> my strategy is just to skip soko and hope for tonal instrument on the way down 00:45 <@Shadow_Rider> 27 min quest or smth 00:45 <@Shadow_Rider> feel like that should be adequate 00:45 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:46 <@luxidream> well let's figure it out 00:46 <@luxidream> krakens give 1704 experience points 00:46 <@Shadow_Rider> level 8 is the last guaranteed level 00:46 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 00:46 <@Shadow_Rider> though usually im already at that level by then anyways 00:47 <@luxidream> if you find floor 1 wow 00:47 <@luxidream> you are probably level 5 00:47 <@luxidream> to get excal 00:47 <@Shadow_Rider> 8520 expected experience per geno 00:47 <@luxidream> obviously you don't want to revgeno krakens right away, because you die 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:40810 00:47 <@luxidream> so I would use shop mimics to get to 5 00:47 <@luxidream> krakens to 9 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:40811 00:48 <@luxidream> wraiths to 14 00:48 <@Shadow_Rider> i don't like that that might be 4 scrolls 00:48 <@luxidream> keep in mind if you get exp for more than one level, you only go up to one below the next level 00:48 <@luxidream> so you get <8520 00:48 <@Shadow_Rider> you can just kill a random monster? 00:48 <@luxidream> yea but some of the exp is lost 00:48 <@Shadow_Rider> mm i see 00:49 <@Shadow_Rider> wait but that could farm 2 levels per kraken? 00:49 <@Shadow_Rider> you kill one then kill a grid bug or smth 00:49 <@Shadow_Rider> kill another one 00:49 <@Shadow_Rider> not enough for later levels but 00:49 <@luxidream> possible 00:49 <@luxidream> need to play around with that more I think 00:50 <@luxidream> but the window that you want krakens seems small 00:50 <@Shadow_Rider> is lvl 5 enough to kill them 00:50 <@Shadow_Rider> that you've found 00:51 <@luxidream> they just hit really hard 00:51 <@luxidream> sure they flee on land but if you corner them they do damage 00:51 <@luxidream> maybe the best strat is to wait a million turns in a safe place to let them fall to 1 hp 00:52 <@luxidream> and then pick up easy kills 00:52 <@Shadow_Rider> mm i wonder how long that actually takes 00:53 <@Shadow_Rider> also according to my math if you start at level 5 and throw in a random kill between the first and second kraken you can get to level 10 00:54 <@Shadow_Rider> thats even with 4 only 00:54 <@luxidream> uh never mind about waiting them out 00:54 <@luxidream> they lose 1 hp per step they take 00:54 <@luxidream> and they have like 20d8 hp 00:55 <@luxidream> I guess that's only about 400 turns 00:55 <@Shadow_Rider> jeez 00:55 <@Shadow_Rider> wait 400 is not bad 00:55 <@Shadow_Rider> just find a closet 00:55 Yeah that's reasonable 00:56 Just make sure there's no water around, then find a closet or fuck off to do something else or w/e 00:58 <@luxidream> yea you do make it to 10 from 5 00:58 <@luxidream> that's nice 01:00 <@Shadow_Rider> and then wraiths are 4/10 i think? 01:00 <@Shadow_Rider> wait no 01:01 <@Shadow_Rider> how is it 1/7 rotting away 01:01 <@Shadow_Rider> that happens half the time for me 01:01 Unlucky. 01:01 <@Shadow_Rider> me unlucky. never 01:01 <@luxidream> testing in wizmode 01:02 <@luxidream> I got 1->11 using krakens and killing some random monsters in between 01:02 <@luxidream> so then you could luck into wraiths on the third one I guess 01:02 <@Shadow_Rider> lol 1 to 11 01:02 <@Shadow_Rider> you'd only have to do it once you get to the quest level 01:02 <@Shadow_Rider> that probably gets to 5 or close to it 01:03 <@luxidream> no, if you have wow, you want to gain levels asap 01:03 <@luxidream> then pickaxe down to quest 01:03 <@luxidream> skipping everything else 01:03 <@disperse (he/him)> Any tricks for finding the portal on the plane of water, just luck? 01:03 <@Shadow_Rider> is that really doable to kill them at lvl 1? 01:03 <@Shadow_Rider> disperse did you find the portal? 01:03 <@luxidream> surprisingly you hit 01:03 <@Shadow_Rider> with oof 01:03 <@Shadow_Rider> #terrain 01:04 <@Shadow_Rider> scare monsters and wait 01:04 <@disperse (he/him)> I used the orb of fate, it was all the way on the left, just floating around now 01:04 <@disperse (he/him)> Terrain is a good call 01:04 <@Shadow_Rider> it looked like you were killing a lot of the monsters 01:04 <@Shadow_Rider> you got an instrument so just use it and s/. 01:06 -!- AntiVirus has joined #hardfought 01:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:41443 01:06 <@disperse (he/him)> Yeah, it was under a postion 01:06 <@disperse (he/him)> *potion 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:41444 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:41453 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] disperse (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1870842 points, T:41479, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/disperse/nethack/dumplog/1627314101.nh.html 01:11 <@Shadow_Rider> gg disperse 01:11 Geeg. 01:11 <@disperse (he/him)> Thanks for your help 01:11 <@Shadow_Rider> np 01:11 <@Shadow_Rider> the latest nethack speedrunner? 01:11 <@disperse (he/him)> hardly a speedrun 01:12 <@Shadow_Rider> well you did it with gear you could expect on a speedrun 01:12 <@Shadow_Rider> next step is to do the same thing but faster :)) 01:13 <@disperse (he/him)> Yeah, it was fast for me. I got stuck at the castle with some bad luck, no levitation, no charging, no instrument, no striking. 01:14 <@disperse (he/him)> Does the scoreboard just count the time between when you started and ended the run? Any way to tell how much time you actually spent in the game? 01:14 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 380 points, T:938, [0:02:16], killed by a giant bat 01:15 There's that. 01:15 <@Shadow_Rider> yes once nethack scoreboard loads your game it subtracts save time 01:16 <@disperse (he/him)> Blech, almost 11 hours. Well, that's about half the amount of time I usually spend on a run. 01:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Pri Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3217 01:17 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:17 I mean that's faster than a majority of NH games. 01:20 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1668, rt[0:04:28] 01:25 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2905, rt[0:08:56] 01:26 -!- mariari has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:27 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3616, rt[0:10:44] 01:27 -!- mariari has joined #hardfought 01:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:32 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3179 01:36 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] zor (Val Swn Fem Neu), 9532 points, T:3662, quit 01:38 -!- mariari has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:40 -!- mariari has joined #hardfought 01:40 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:41 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 27941 points, T:7723, [0:25:03], killed by a minotaur 01:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 19638 points, T:6938, killed by a kangaroo 01:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 245 points, T:533, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5277 01:43 !lastgame shadowrider38 01:43 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/setseed/dumplog/1627449374.seed.html 01:44 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Pri Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful housecat, on T:5305 01:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] xor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 29 points, T:73, killed by a newt 01:44 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5335 01:45 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1417, rt[0:03:07] 01:47 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2541, rt[0:05:43] 01:49 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2900, rt[0:07:23] 01:54 -!- mariari has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:55 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:5274, rt[0:13:25] 01:56 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4591 points, T:4277, killed by a watch captain 01:59 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 17656 points, T:6139, [0:16:59], petrified by touching a cockatrice corpse bare-handed 01:59 -!- mariari has joined #hardfought 02:02 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 02:03 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1804, rt[0:03:06] 02:04 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1987, rt[0:04:13] 02:05 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 02:10 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:4287, rt[0:09:49] 02:11 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4680, rt[0:10:41] 02:11 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 4898 points, T:2522, killed by a gnome lord 02:12 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:5046, rt[0:12:19] 02:20 274 different ppl commented in chat during @luxidream's stream (in the ESAMarathon one, didn't bother with the restreams) 02:23 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:24 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 02:24 <@ichbinmiah> I actually watched the English stream, but I heard 400+ viewers were watching the Deutsch stream 02:25 yes, you were the person who wrote most comments by far :) 02:26 <@luxidream> :)) 02:26 (128 vs antigulp's 108) 02:31 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 88446 points, T:9826, [0:30:55], quit 02:32 <@Shadow_Rider> !lastgame 02:32 @Shadow_Rider: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Muad/nh343/dumplog/1627425751.nh343.txt | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/setseed/dumplog/1627452024.seed.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/c/cubichack/nethack/dumplog/1627402215.nh.html 02:35 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 3950 points, T:2009, killed by a rabid rat 02:37 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 286 points, T:374, killed by a large kobold 02:46 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:59 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:01 -!- AntiVirus has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:04 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 11297 points, T:3629, killed by a watch captain 03:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Set, on T:14271 03:17 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Raider, on T:14890 03:36 -!- sleepless|2 has joined #hardfought 03:36 how did the speedrun go? i skimmed the backlog but theres just sooo much in there i dont know the actual result 03:36 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:36 <@Shadow_Rider> He won :)) 03:37 <@Shadow_Rider> Didn’t play on hardfought so no messages 03:38 <@Earth Traveler> so nobody could spam lux with mail to slow him down? :p 03:39 it was epic and nerve-wracking 03:39 <@luxidream> I went 6 minutes over the estimate and barely crossed the finish line 03:39 <@luxidream> but 03:39 <@luxidream> we did win 03:39 if the organisers had cut it short I'd have rioted 03:39 -!- sleepless has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:39 -!- entuland has joined #hardfought 03:39 <@luxidream> they let it run out, tech was not happy though 03:40 did you get a bollocking after? 03:40 <@luxidream> no, just some people were frustrated 03:41 <@luxidream> not personally at me I guess, other people also ran over, which is why we were 30 min behind in the first place 03:41 <@Shadow_Rider> Didn’t they choose to cut off the Minecraft dungeons guy while he was under estimate? 03:41 <@luxidream> he died on the final boss 03:41 He died with 1 HP to go on the final boss. 03:41 yeah they died at the 37 min mark of 40 min estimate 03:41 So, you know. 03:41 prolly not enough time to go through final floor again 03:42 <@luxidream> yeah that was rough :(( 03:42 <@Shadow_Rider> I thought they said he only had to replay the final level 03:42 <@luxidream> after all the tech troubles too 03:42 <@Shadow_Rider> Maybe it was longer than i remembered 03:42 <@luxidream> without that he would have had time to complete the final level again probably 03:42 I mean it might have been enough time yeah 03:43 <@luxidream> Tone showed me that the soko death was due to a gas spore jumping out one turn after the door was opened 03:43 yikes 03:43 could you have elbereth'd with wand of fire? 03:43 <@luxidream> blind 03:43 ah yeah 03:43 <@luxidream> wouldn't have engraved properly 03:43 -!- tacco has joined #hardfought 03:43 <@luxidream> with how fast I was pressing buttons couldn't react to it and died 03:44 <@luxidream> at the time I didn't even know what woke up the zoo 03:44 they had some really whack videos playing between runs 03:44 some were adverts, fair enough, but there was one that went through clipping out of bounds in a particular game 03:44 <@luxidream> those are runner submitted :) 03:45 if they're behind on time they should just drop some of those lol 03:45 <@luxidream> that's the setup time 03:45 <@luxidream> they don't have people immediately on deck 03:45 you should have submitted some Izchak ads 03:45 sounds changeable 03:45 <@luxidream> need some time to switch runners, donation readers, etc 03:46 when i am king i will make it a tighter operation 03:47 <@luxidream> they dropped a large chunk of setup time to catch back up actually 03:47 <@luxidream> right now they are close to on schedule again 03:47 nice one 03:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Arasaka (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Geryon, on T:39457 03:48 <@luxidream> I am a lil sad about being over though, I think that may hurt the chances of roguelikes appearing in the future 03:48 <@Shadow_Rider> Feel like it would be a good idea to build in extra time somewhere 03:48 <@luxidream> it's not a good look 03:49 don't sweat it 03:49 <@luxidream> see you're not supposed to exceed the estimate 03:49 <@luxidream> I also played kind of badly endgame and took an extra 5 min on ascrun 03:49 @luxidream well, i think your time estimation was pretty spot on. it's not like a game where all level layouts are known 03:49 <@Shadow_Rider> Well it sounds like a lot of other people did too 03:50 <@Shadow_Rider> I don’t know if they would take this into account but you had some pretty bad rng 03:50 I don't think it looks that bad 03:51 <@luxidream> other than that I think it was very successful, the incentive raised a lot of money, and we got tons of donations during the run 03:51 I think they could probably tell chat was hyped as well 03:51 <@Shadow_Rider> True that was a good look 03:51 probs why they didn't just harshly cut you off 03:51 :D 03:51 <@Shadow_Rider> Lots of support for the game 03:51 <@luxidream> <3 03:51 would demogorgon or any other demon prince be hostile to shopkeepers? 03:52 <@luxidream> I liked how minecraft dungeons chat was full of anxious nethack watchers 03:52 <@Earth Traveler> what? no everything's only out to kill you 03:52 haha yeah the minecraft guy would glance over at chat and see nothing related to it at all 03:52 <@Shadow_Rider> Yeah lol kinda awkward that all the donations being read out were for the nethack fruit name and Pokémon 03:52 feelsbadman 03:53 poor minecraft dude 03:54 people trash-talked his game, it crashed in the beginning, nobody was really interested in it 03:54 if you look closely you can actually pinpoint the exact moment when their heart broke 03:54 <@Earth Traveler> i would've ragequit 03:54 and they didn't even finish 03:54 <@luxidream> did they explain why he died in the final boss? 03:54 <@luxidream> was it RNG or 03:54 <@Shadow_Rider> He bad luck spawned two bosses instead of one 03:54 <@Shadow_Rider> Or that’s what they said at least 03:54 there was an enemy that shouldn't have been there, and it was on a harder version than it should have been 03:55 chat said that it was bad RNG 03:55 <@luxidream> ah man :( 03:55 <@Earth Traveler> damn 03:55 at that point i was already totally hyped for nethack so i didn't really pay attention 03:55 sat down to watch your run with attie eating tortilla chips with salsa sauce 03:55 <@Earth Traveler> imagine if a second Death could spawn on Astral :d 03:56 <@Shadow_Rider> Equivalent of demo and yeenoghu showing up back to back 03:56 <@luxidream> I heard u were shitting yourself on astral 03:56 <@luxidream> so was I 03:56 hahaha yeah we were at the edge of our seats 03:56 it was very emotional for me in the end lol 03:56 like noooooooo 03:56 aaaaaaaaa 03:56 <@Shadow_Rider> That angel in the doorway 03:56 <@Shadow_Rider> It looked bad 03:56 burning lifesaving so close 03:57 <@luxidream> I don't know how obvious it was to other viewers how close it was there 03:57 after your stuff got exploded by that shocking fucker 03:57 <@Shadow_Rider> The one time he doesn’t get odined clutch 03:57 but it was misplay because you didn't bag it :v 03:57 didn't bag the wands 03:58 i think there were at least 3 distinct moments where you could have choked on your food 03:58 <@luxidream> simply eating while satiated doesn't cause you to choke 03:58 shared the speedrun url with a friend yesterday and he was like "i didnt even know you can win nethack, i thought you just play until you die" 03:58 <@luxidream> if I choked, then I would have choked 03:58 hah 03:58 eating while satiated _can_ choke you 03:58 instakill you 03:58 if A then A, yes 03:58 <@luxidream> no, it's not a random chance 03:58 <@Earth Traveler> causing you to choke the game 03:58 what? 03:59 <@Earth Traveler> yeah it's not random 03:59 <@luxidream> if you're oversatiated, you choke and die 100% of the time 03:59 <@Earth Traveler> there's a hard limit 03:59 <@luxidream> if you're not oversatiated you'll go up to some amount (2000 I think) 03:59 this is news to me after 11-ish years of playing 03:59 <@luxidream> and then you get the (continue eating) prompt 03:59 yeah the prompt is important 03:59 i was always told that when you are satiated, there is always a chance 03:59 <@luxidream> and then you can stop eating and live happy 03:59 <@luxidream> yeah wiki lies 03:59 <@luxidream> I changed that fairly recently 03:59 and the prompt was rnadom too 03:59 oh boy 04:00 wiki currently says 04:00 > You can choke if you eat while satiated, and you will not reliably get a warning. 04:00 yes, thats what i was thinking too.. 04:00 <@Earth Traveler> that is only true if you are at the limit, and eat a wraith corpse 04:00 but that distinguishes it in the text from oversatiated 04:00 > If you consume any food while oversatiated, even a zero-nutrition wraith corpse, you choke, killing you instantly. 04:01 so wiki still lies or someone misunderstood something 04:01 so the first statement is just true for a very specific edge case? 04:01 <@Earth Traveler> hmmm 04:01 lets source dive.. 04:01 <@Earth Traveler> well what i said was what i heard somewhere 04:01 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:01 <@Shadow_Rider> If you are a really big corpse 04:01 <@Shadow_Rider> You won’t get a warning for the next one 04:01 <@luxidream> if (g.context.victual.canchoke && u.uhunger >= 2000) { choke(g.context.victual.piece); return 1; 04:02 <@Shadow_Rider> Because you are over 2000 04:02 <@Earth Traveler> if i am a really big corpse? 04:02 <@Shadow_Rider> Yes you 04:02 <@luxidream> you get the continue eating prompt at 1500 04:02 > In precise terms, you choke if and only if you would be oversatiated after the meal[3][4] and you were already satiated before the meal 04:02 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 04:02 <@Shadow_Rider> I ate a dragon 04:02 * Amended by 3. 06/12/89: if not hard, sometimes choke anyway, to keep risk. 04:02 <@Earth Traveler> wtf 04:02 <@luxidream> so if I'm satiated at 1200, I'll go to 1500, get continue eating, avoid death 04:02 <@Shadow_Rider> And then choked on a jackal corpse (with the Amulet) 04:03 <@Earth Traveler> :/ 04:03 <@luxidream> in any case, there's no rng involved in whether you die 04:03 <@luxidream> it's just based on hard nutrition numbers 04:03 <@Earth Traveler> you've managed to die in a more embarrassing way than my plane of water death 04:04 <@Shadow_Rider> How did that one go 04:04 <@Earth Traveler> i was neutral 04:04 <@luxidream> displaced a peaceful water elemental 04:04 <@luxidream> died 04:04 <@Shadow_Rider> Oh lol 04:04 <@Earth Traveler> yeah 04:04 this peaceful displacement is a curse and a blessing 04:04 <@luxidream> happened to grasshopper too 04:04 <@Shadow_Rider> I’ve seen that one a few times 04:04 <@luxidream> pretty annoying death 04:04 <@Earth Traveler> that's why i'm playing as chaotic rn 04:04 sometimes you displace yourself into a room with angery mosters 04:04 because the monster at the choke point is peaceful 04:05 <@luxidream> if there was some way of distinguishing them like an underscore 04:05 <@luxidream> (xnethack) 04:05 <@luxidream> then it would be fine honestly 04:05 <@Shadow_Rider> Has anyone ascended with all final rrag? 04:05 <@Earth Traveler> rrag? 04:05 <@Shadow_Rider> As in every alignment too 04:05 <@luxidream> probably stroller if anyone 04:05 <@Shadow_Rider> Race role alignment gender 04:05 <@Earth Traveler> oh 04:05