00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1630 points, T:2093, killed by a giant spider 00:04 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 00:04 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:9027, rt[0:24:10] 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 460 points, T:768, killed by a giant ant 00:06 You generally don't wrest from a wand of wishing until you've recharged it at least once 00:06 And scrolls of charging are ideally the first thing you go for 00:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:10820 00:08 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Pri Ang Fem Law), 18069 points, T:11011, killed by a pony 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] secra (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 89 points, T:216, killed by a kobold zombie 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 372 points, T:985, killed by a gas spore's explosion 00:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2215 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 145 points, T:582, killed by a kobold zombie 00:16 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 58231 points, T:13139, [0:36:41], quit 00:19 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1329 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 522 points, T:1424, killed by a giant mimic 00:30 [hdf-us] [slex] Danrenaline (Occ Cen Mal Cha), 574 points, T:933, killed by a noob pollax 00:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1073 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Strider (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2732 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Strider (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3092 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Strider (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3114 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Strider (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a +0 pair of iron shoes on an altar, on T:3147 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Strider (Sam Hum Mal Law), 5950 points, T:5472, killed by a Woodland-elf 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3167 points, T:2340, killed by a quasit 00:47 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Vam Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1430 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 48 points, T:102, killed by a goblin 00:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 7962 points, T:3921, quit 00:53 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:54 [hdf-us] [slex] slarty (Pra Ali Fem Law), 79 points, T:1039, killed by a graphite 00:55 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Vam Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 hex dragon scale mail", on T:1648 00:59 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Vam Mal Cha) had Avalon bestowed upon him by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:1838 01:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:50572 01:04 <@Earth Traveler> oh bite me Crom 😦 01:04 <@Earth Traveler> guess i'll be going with fire brand and mjollnir after all 01:08 <@Shadow_Rider> lol what were you hopoing for 01:08 <@Earth Traveler> frost brand 01:08 <@Shadow_Rider> :/ picky 01:08 <@Shadow_Rider> lol 01:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2624 01:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Vam Mal Cha) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed him unworthy, on T:2371 01:11 [hdf-us] [spl] Ardub (Kni Vam Mal Cha), 2874 points, T:2371, quit 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed wgetch's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:2996 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +1 cloak of magic resistance", on T:50626 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3401 01:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3781 01:26 [hdf-us] [evil] shadowrider38 (Val Gia Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:6330 01:27 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Dra Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (electric eels), on T:28080 01:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:19443 01:33 [hdf-us] [slex] slarty (Arc Cen Fem Law), 535 points, T:2230, killed by a monster (bug) 01:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:51839 01:45 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Dra Hum Fem Neu) killed the Failure Eidolon, on T:29228 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6109 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:6151 01:58 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Dra Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Knight of Talons, on T:29877 02:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] wgetch (Val Dwa Fem Law), 9758 points, T:6278, killed by an ape 02:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:22 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:25 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Dra Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30972 02:25 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 02:28 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:28 <@Joanna> Shots shots shots 02:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:54459 02:29 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 02:30 * Umbire shoots 02:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:54496 02:39 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8004 points, T:6428, quit 02:39 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:42 I'm pretty sure the statushilites code is trying to be too clever for its own good 02:42 I find it rather hard to follow 02:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanters, on T:55068 02:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:55722 02:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 02:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:58 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:02 <@Joanna> I got my shot 03:06 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Dra Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:31603 03:12 <@riker> aoei, notable druggie?? 03:16 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:18 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/861868739707797534/Screenshot_20210706-031546.png 03:18 <@Umby> This is fuckin stupid lmao 03:18 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 50 points, T:119, killed by a water demon 03:19 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 16 points, T:4, killed by a falling rock 03:21 <@riker> clear ur notifications umby 03:21 <@riker> smh 03:22 FIQ: convoluted code? in my NetHack? NEVER! 03:22 I think I ultimately got things going, but man that was much more complicated than it ought to have been 03:23 I wonder why my unnethack fuzzer says 20 terabyte of virtual memory after running for 8 hours and after fixing some memory leaks. it had only 2 GB of virtual memory before the fixes (the residential memory looks good though) 03:24 libc fragmentation? 03:24 bhaak: hm do you know if there's an easy way to run NH under valgrind without fiddling with the launcher shellscript? 03:24 the game segfaults so clearly I did something wrong 03:24 why don't you want to fiddle with the launcher shellscript? 03:25 because it's overwritten each install 03:25 should be as easy as changing 'exec $HACK "$@"' to 'exec valgrind $HACK "$@"' 03:25 change it in source tree 03:25 also I don't *always* want to run it under valgrind 03:25 fwiw I find address sanitizer and leak sanitizer easier and faster to use than valgrind 03:25 why do you "make install" and not "make update" 03:25 then make it check an env var to decide whether to valgrind 03:26 <@Umby> No 03:26 amateurhour: asan will crash right away if it detects an oob access, which is probably not what you want 03:26 FIQ: https://github.com/moon-chilled/slashem9/blob/master/sys/unix/slashem9.sh#L47 03:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3505 points, T:1561, killed by an invisible giant spider 03:26 I break when that happens moon-child 03:27 breakpoint on __sanitizer::Die to diagonose why it broke 03:27 break--gdb? I thought asan doesn't like being run under a debugger 03:27 hm 03:27 huh? 03:29 hmm, must be misremembering, their docs recommend running under gdb 03:29 bhaak: running make update doesn't make a difference, it still overwrites the shellscript 03:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 231 points, T:382, killed by a small mimic 03:33 FIQ: from my notes: 03:34 HACKDIR=~/nh/install/games/lib/nethackdir/ valgrind -v --vgdb=yes --vgdb-error=0 ~/nh/install/games/lib/nethackdir/nethack -D 03:34 [hdf-us] [evil] AntiVirus (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 288 points, T:1308, killed by Mr. Gweebarra; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 03:34 and in another window: 03:34 gdb ~/nh/install/games/lib/nethackdir/nethack --eval-command='target remote | /usr/lib/valgrind/../../bin/vgdb' --eval-command='cont' 03:35 [hdf-us] [nh343] MAlischka2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 1816 points, T:1714, killed by a gnome 03:36 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 03:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 198 points, T:399, killed by a hobbit 03:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:371 03:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:5842 03:52 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:13925, rt[3:57:14] 03:55 -!- cccrow has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:56 -!- cccrow has joined #hardfought 03:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7522 04:02 -!- cccrow has quit [Quit: cccrow] 04:10 -!- tacco has joined #hardfought 04:10 -!- tacco has quit [Client Quit] 04:17 lol riker i meant the vaccine obviously 04:43 uh 04:43 hm 04:44 I'm pretty sure status hilites doesn't even work right *before* my tweaks 04:44 let's double check 04:44 oh I figured it out 04:44 my config is just wrong 04:45 this is how part of my config looked like: OPTIONS=hilite_status: hitpoints/both/<6/orange/orange 04:46 probably a remnant from 3.6.0 status_hilites that was far more limited 04:46 the game parses that in such a way that it *always* procs if no percentage ones apply 04:47 which they did 04:48 however when I added the ability for it to handle layout coloring, I made one of the percentage ones not apply for the layout (intentionally as part of the config) 04:48 which tripped the above one and I assumed the error was in my code 04:48 but no it was just my bad config >_< 04:50 https://home.fiq.se/nh3_framecolor.png 04:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:10672 04:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11149 05:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:12213 05:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] vegan (Kni Hum Mal Law), 401 points, T:915, killed by a cave spider 05:13 that leaves one problem, I need to revise the way I load layout color a bit because it shouldn't depend on whenever the regular status attributes change 05:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] vegan (Cav Hum Fem Law), 157 points, T:1156, killed by a water moccasin 05:14 I also need to rework how the game deals with status hilites for conditions so they can also modify the layout color 05:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:35 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Dra Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:31623 05:51 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 06:00 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "dragon scale mail", on T:71 06:02 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:105 06:05 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) averted death (acid blob), on T:385, rt[0:10:15] 06:07 [hdf-us] [nh4] Jam (Jamiro) (Val Hum Fem Law), 37561 points, T:2674, killed by an elf mummy 06:14 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:15 [hdf-eu] [spl] attie (Val Ang Nbn Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:19756 06:19 [hdf-eu] [spl] attie (Val Ang Nbn Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:19872 06:22 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1781 points, T:1286, killed by an elven arrow 06:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:37 [hdf-us] [dyn] Jam (Jamiro) (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 648 points, T:1279, killed by a kitten 06:39 -!- post163 has joined #hardfought 06:43 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:51 -!- cccrow has joined #hardfought 06:54 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 06:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:42076 07:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:22795 07:05 [hdf-us] [nh343] MAlischka2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 447 points, T:756, killed by a gas spore's explosion 07:07 -!- entuland has joined #hardfought 07:08 -!- ssnufd has joined #hardfought 07:09 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of reflection, on T:16278 07:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Traveler, on T:42992 07:36 FIQ: how about for spellcasting, get back to basics a bit, and make robe/staff/wand of nothing cut in half the penalties applied for any metal armor, rather than giving independent boosts? 07:41 aosdict: I could get behind quarterstaves/nothing/robes halve armor penalties 07:42 but would it be cumulative in that case or would only one be used? 07:42 also, fiqhack skips the wand thing because I think wands were mostly to make wands more useful 07:42 which is already a thing in wand rebalance anyway 07:42 but that doesn't apply to xnh, of course 07:43 the wand thing is not really "make wands more useful", it is "incentivise unconventional wielding" 07:44 ah 07:44 I personally don't really care for that 07:44 improvised weapon skill when 07:44 I don't see the point in making unconventional wieldings useful 07:45 it's boring for the player to find the locally optimal thing for their wield slot and never change it except when something better comes along 07:45 the counterpoint is that you don't want to incentivize golfbagging 07:45 because it increases tedium 07:46 pick-axe is an one-off and fair game, but I don't really want to incentivize it more than it already is 07:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7010 07:46 for example, you can make bludgeoning, slashing and piercing weapons affect monsters differently, something dnh does 07:46 but I don't like the idea of encouraging people to constantly swap weapons around 07:46 it's not a severe case of golf bagging if it's done on a "I want to cast this particular spell and have the matching wand" basis rather than "oh I'm facing a monster weak to blunt damage better pick the blunt weapon" 07:47 I suppose in the case of fh, there is autoswap 07:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Adept, on T:4957 07:47 which could be made intelligent enough to wield wands when you want to cast particular spells 07:48 in the wand of nothing case though that would basically be saying "if holding an identified wand of nothing then just reduce my spellcasting costs" 07:48 not holding, carrying 07:48 yes 07:49 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Dra Hum Fem Neu) became Enlil's Envoy of Balance, on T:33993 07:49 -!- chao has joined #hardfought 07:49 unless your weapon is cursed 07:50 at that point it gets pretty opaque 07:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 07:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] greg (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:33977 07:50 how is it *more* opaque 07:50 than what you are suggesting as-is 07:50 it's just autoswap doing the, well, swapping, for you 07:51 even NH3 has some amount of autoswap nowdays 07:52 I have a wand of nothing in my inventory and am not really paying attention to it, casting fireball for say 26 Pw apiece. a lich curses my wielded sword. wait why is it now costing 34 Pw to cast fireballs? 07:52 -!- d[-_-]b has joined #hardfought 07:52 imo it goes a bit too far to say "ok you'll silently autowield this thing whenever optimal 07:53 -!- d[-_-]b is now known as stenno 07:54 -!- chao has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:02 -!- Ponzarg has joined #hardfought 08:04 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6089 08:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 1497 points, T:926, quit 08:05 -!- Graznop has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:06 !who 08:06 K2: [hdf-us] greg [nh370] StatueSurfer [nh370] ssnufd [nh370] Luxidream [seed] | [hdf-eu] Saxtheowl [nh370] | [hdf-au] Orcranger [nh370] 08:08 aosdict: no different than autoswapping to launchers imo... 08:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:56975 08:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:56976 08:09 FIQhack updated (all servers) 08:10 xNetHack updated (all servers) 08:17 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 08:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:22144 08:19 medusa level: https://0x0.st/-f6-.mp4 08:20 ducks in nethack when 08:24 moon-child: I'm stupid. the 20T virtual memory is due to the address sanitizer 08:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:1765 08:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 08:30 shuba shuba 08:31 asan for smash bros 08:32 biodiversity patch actually probably has ducks 08:33 I don't think it does 08:34 surprisingly, it doesn't 08:37 !variant 08:37 post163: nhfourk 08:39 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 08:43 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Gul Nbn Cha), 133 points, T:331, killed by a system shock 08:43 <@Earth Traveler> the game killed you because you didn't follow beholder's suggestion 08:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:68264 08:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:68267 08:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3904 08:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:68460 09:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 4347 points, T:4617, killed by Yeenoghu, while paralyzed 09:12 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:16 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:20 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 09:20 -!- qt has quit [Killed (NickServ (GHOST command used by qt_))] 09:20 -!- qt_ is now known as qt 09:24 -!- cccrow has quit [Quit: cccrow] 09:25 !variant 09:25 post163: xnethack 09:26 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had Avalon bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3415 09:28 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3644 09:29 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Dra Hum Fem Neu) killed Drauglir, on T:34720 09:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Cav Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1925 09:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh4] Jam (Jamiro) (Val Hum Fem Law), 16929 points, T:185, quit 09:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:45 -!- Saxtheowl has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:68479 09:47 -!- Saxtheowl has joined #hardfought 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed seppokalevi7's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2046 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2126 09:51 wait, 3.4.3 has autoswapping??? what is that and how does it work, I certainly hope it doesn't allow for stuff like zero-turn-wielding a bow when you have arrows quivered and want to fire? 09:51 LarienTelrunya: Message from Umbire at 2021-07-05 05:24 EDT: Are Rocker player monsters present in SLEX, and if so are they also lithivoric? 09:51 hey amy dnh has 0 turn swap between weapon and swap weapon 09:51 omg broken!!! :P 09:51 its one of the most simple but mechanically interesting things 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:2156 09:52 that imo should be in vanilla 09:52 then again, vanilla has wield-and-attack pick-axes and polearms... 09:52 you apply the pick-axe, you immediately wield it *and* can apply it in a direction, in a single turn; if there is a monster in that direction, you attack 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:68533 09:52 slex fixed that of course (and then amateurhour wanted me to "fix" it by making it work like vanilla again, essentically reintroducing the bug :P ) 09:52 omg thats so broken and so op and can instakill all monsters in 0 turns omg 09:53 oh wait it isnt op at all 09:53 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:5679 09:53 weapon class differentiation? not allowed in slex! 09:53 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5688 09:53 before the fix, you could just instawield-and-pound a polearm as soon as a monster was in 2 squares distance, and then instawield-and-hit with the pick-axe when the monster inevitably closed to melee distance 09:54 oh and in vanilla, monsters can also move-and-zap or move-and-breathe, which is a similar form of cheating :P 09:54 and no matter how slow a monster is, if a pet attacks it, the monster gets to hit the pet back (wtf) 09:54 <@FIQ> fiqhack has fixed the move+do other stuff issue 09:55 that actually made me think of fiqhack 09:55 so a speed 1 iron piercer is several orders of magnitude more dangerous for your housecat than it is for your char... 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2573 09:55 <@FIQ> it also makes 'x' a free action 09:55 and I'm glad fiq was here to weigh in cause that was such a fiqhacky thing 09:55 unfucking monster ai 09:55 making 'x' a free action but not 'w' encourages micromanagement 09:56 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 09:56 <@FIQ> and yeah I know about the retaliation thing 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:68578 09:56 it makes the swapwep slot more powerful 09:56 <@FIQ> I don't remember if I addressed that in fh or not 09:56 <@FIQ> jilles: only once 09:56 something that also bugs me is that whenever you want to dual-wield, you have to wield the swap weapon in your main hand first, then push it into the secondary slot via pressing x! why can't that be easier :/ 09:56 <@FIQ> once you have wep+swapwep set up, you're good to go 09:57 <@FIQ> well how else would you do it 09:57 once you have dual-wielding set up, the secondary weapon stays in that slot... but if you want to switch it to something different, you have to do it again 09:57 the pickaxe thing is annoying though 09:57 well, the alternative would be having a command that just flat out tells the game "I want to make this short sword my alternate weapon" 09:57 you have to apply the pickaxe twice 09:57 like why 09:58 just like you can put something into your primary weapon slot in one action, you should be able to do the same for the secondary weapon slot, realistically :P in Elona you can replace your secondary weapon while dual-wielding much more easily than in nh! 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh4] Jam (Jamiro) (Val Hum Fem Law), 28624 points, T:1216, killed by a giant bat 09:59 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:6204 09:59 amateurhour: because it takes a turn to wield it first, of course 09:59 [hdf-eu] [spl] attie (Val Ang Nbn Law) completed Sokoban, on T:22102 09:59 Can I identify a pair of walking boot by moving in front of a pool of water from a previous fountain ? 09:59 so make it take an extra turn 10:00 it would be more consistent to force players to wield first and the apply 10:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 2699776 points, T:68610, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/samiam/nethack/dumplog/1625347284.nh.html 10:00 why make the player apply it twice 10:00 <@Earth Traveler> Go Team @ ! 10:00 <@Earth Traveler> boy has nobody exploited this OP wield-and-hit-in-one-turn-with-a-pickaxe bug to just dominate every monster with ease 10:02 you could just as well wield it first; I'm just being nice by making it so that applying it also causes you to wield it, but making sure it doesn't let you skip the turn that takes :P 10:03 'nice' 10:03 also smh amateurhour why do you want to turn everything into multi-turn occupations, that's a pain to code for little, if any, benefit 10:04 nicer interface for the player 10:04 well I could also have made it so that trying to apply a non-wielded pick-axe produces "That won't do anything unless you wield it first. Use the 'w' command for that." 10:04 I'd actually rather you made dipping a multiturn action than play the dipping lottery and mash ^A for example 10:05 does this work for Cleaver too? 10:05 but that's a gameplay change 10:06 for a barbarian in vanilla it could be interesting to apply Cleaver if it means wielding & attacking in one turn 10:07 -!- pete__ has joined #hardfought 10:07 -!- Saxtheowl has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:07 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6801 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 288 points, T:794, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:08 mobileuser: didn't test, but possibly yes 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:23606 10:08 -!- Saxtheowl has joined #hardfought 10:09 before I fixed it, at least slex allowed all weapons and weapon-tools that have wield-and-apply effects to be abused like that 10:09 stop pickaxe abuse today 10:10 -!- Ponzarg has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:10 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a gray unicorn corpse, on T:3274 10:11 <@Earth Traveler> yes cleaver can be used that way in vanilla 10:11 <@Earth Traveler> just tested in wizmode 10:11 lol that's so OP :P 10:11 <@Earth Traveler> yeah that one might actually be a little imbalanced 10:12 we should make it so all tools have to be applied twice, shouldn't be able to use a switcher without it going in your hands first 10:13 <@Earth Traveler> same for potions, scrolls, spellbooks, etc 10:13 thx Earth Traveler! 10:13 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Moria, on T:21680, rt[5:58:15] 10:13 <@Earth Traveler> obviously your character shouldn't be wielding their weapon ALL the time 10:14 it's so easy to make mistakes with Cleaver... 10:14 heh, there is a nasty trap in slex that forces you to wield all tools before you can actually apply it; if you have that effect, you can encounter the otherwise rarely seen property of chests and boxes being two-handed, have fun if you're using a shield! :P 10:14 <@Earth Traveler> putting on and taking off rings should be a multiturn process, unwield, take off gloves, mess with the ring, put gloves back on, rewield 10:14 makes sense to me Earth Traveller 10:14 <@Earth Traveler> of course there is 10:15 <@Earth Traveler> for real though, it never made sense to me that if you wield a footrice corpse and a foocubi makes you remove your gloves, that you get stoned 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Robber, on T:23928 10:15 <@Earth Traveler> like, does your character not drop the corpse after getting the gloves taken off? 10:15 <@Earth Traveler> how does that work exactly? 10:15 topological magic 10:15 how does the foocubi get the gloves off without getting stoned by the corpse 10:15 topological magic x2 10:15 <@Earth Traveler> obviously that's just BS mechanics 10:16 honestly it never made sense to me that you can get instapetrified when touching a c corpse but only slowly petrified when a cockatrice f***ing bites (and thereby very definitely touches) you. 10:16 lol 10:16 <@Earth Traveler> i assume you want the player to get instapetrified in both scenarios? 10:16 like, if the entire cockatrice body is made of instapetrifyium why doesn't it just smash into you with full force, bam, petrified. instantly of course, with no chance for you to eat a lizard. :P 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3996 10:17 and yes I know it was designed like that for gameplay reasons, still doesn't make sense to me though :P 10:17 u have a variant follow ur dreams 10:17 "good gameplay" doesn't make sense to you? 10:17 make them all instapetrify 10:17 already did, in slex the player cannot be instapetrified, there's always 7 turns to save yourself 10:17 I suppose given slex it does not make sense 10:18 gottem B^) 10:18 I agree with Amy here 10:18 <@Earth Traveler> ...what did you just say 10:18 heh 10:18 I'm not particularly inclined to defend instapetrification though, universal slow stoning is fine 10:19 in non-slex variants I always blessed genocide 'c' because I don't trust the game to not come up with some weird way to say "haha lol! you touched it, game over!" :P there's just far too many interactions that make you touch the corpse 10:19 universal instapetrification though is just a little too mean 10:19 <@Earth Traveler> i lost my first barb to reach gehennom post-hiatus to a footrice incident 10:19 @le?beholder 10:19 Beholder (e) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 24 | Spd: 9 | Res: petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: unique | AC: -4 | Attacks: 1d4 gaze Death, 3d8 gaze physical, 1d3 gaze stun, 1d3 gaze confuse, 1d4 gaze sleep | Alignment: 0 | Flags: flies, regenerates, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 10:19 huh, no petrify gaze 10:19 <@Earth Traveler> yeah let's be glad this got deferred 10:19 that's the slex beholder 10:20 @le?air elemental speed beholder 10:20 air elemental speed beholder (e) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 21 | Spd: 36 | Res: cold | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 0d0 gaze slow, 2d25 gaze sleep, 0d0 gaze disintegrate, 0d0 gaze petrification, 2d4 gaze cancellation, 2d4 bite physical | Alignment: -10 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, mindless, nopoly, infravisible 10:20 of course 10:20 ^^ is a meaner version of the grunthack beholder, called that because it has the speed of an air elemental :P 10:20 right, the Beholder is the slashem neutral quest thing 10:21 <@Earth Traveler> @le?total bullshot 10:21 No such monster. 10:21 <@Earth Traveler> please 10:21 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:21 you want a monster called "total bullshot" (sic), you get it. added to the list :D thanks! 10:22 @@le?overpowered monster 10:22 overpowered monster ~7~ infrared monster (J) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 12 | Res: magic | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 2d12 bite rng-intervention | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, flies, infravisible 10:23 @@le?oh god why is this in the game 10:23 oh god why is this in the game ~15~ how is this an owlbear (Y) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d6 claw physical, 1d6 claw physical, 2d8 hug physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 10:23 lol 10:23 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:23 idk it seems pretty like an owlbear 10:23 it has the wrong color :P 10:23 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Fem Cha) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:5733 10:23 <@Earth Traveler> 2d12 bite rng-intervention? 10:23 @le?never an orc zombie 10:23 never an orc zombie (Z) | Lvl: 2 | Diff: 3 | Spd: 6 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 9 | Attacks: 1d6 claw physical | Alignment: -3 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, poisonous, undead, stalker 10:23 honestly imo amy made the right call on trices 10:24 wtf it seems I'm actually still asleep, there's no way that so many people support my petrification change. 10:24 I support the petrification change too 10:24 replacing all instapetrification with slowed 10:24 once I wake up, the universe will set itself straight again and when I come back to the chat, people will support instapetrification again like they always have :P 10:25 people like it when you add nice changes, unusual 10:25 hopefully I'm not actually supposed to be on a train right now 10:25 Do monsters likewise slow-petrify? 10:25 I'm very anti instadeath 10:25 [hdf-us] [un] Danrenaline (Sam Hum Fem Law), 698 points, T:1372, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 10:26 Pinkbeast: in FIQhack they probably do, in slex they unfortunately don't, I'm not sure what to do about that really 10:26 making them petrify slowly will help only if they can somehow un-petrify themselves 10:26 You say that, but (eg) rubber chickening Demogorgon is much less of a slam-dunk if he gets 7 turns to marmalise you 10:26 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27 Amy, I just did a bullwhip experiment in evilhack! 10:27 science was done?? 10:27 huh? since when am I interested in evilhack? 10:27 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:27 apply and yank the opponents weapon in 1 turn 10:28 since u stole half the new branches 10:28 :^) 10:28 would be the same in vanilla 10:28 just want to thank you for this idea 10:28 yeah, as I said, you can probably use that exploit with every weapon and weapon-tool that has an apply effect when wielded 10:28 \o/ science was done 10:28 this is actually useful :-) 10:28 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 hex dragon scale mail", on T:7656 10:29 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:30 [hdf-us] [nh343] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:128, killed by a jackal 10:32 Pinkbeast: to add on what LarienTelrunya said: fiqhack monster intrinsics work exactly like player ones, for *all* trinsics except for hallucination (because I don't know how to handle UI screw for the AI). This includes petrification, sliming, fatal sickness, among other things, which are delayed instadeaths for monsters. 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5444 10:35 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 10:37 FIQ: but monsters will probably rarely have stuff that allows them to fix those delayed instadeaths 10:37 hey fiq can monsters wear blindfolds in fh? 10:38 also do monsters have pointers to each worn item like the player does? 10:38 also is monster blindness changed to work via intrinsic and not mblind or whatever? 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed wgetch's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:6081 10:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] seppokalevi7 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (orcs), on T:2417 10:43 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 fortune cookies on an altar, on T:8629 10:45 Demo: the AI doesn't wear blindfolds 10:45 but they would work perfectly fine if I made them willing to 10:45 and yes, blindness is a timed intrinsic like for players 10:45 they don't have pointers to worn items, why should they? 10:46 for the record I've considered getting rid of the player pointers too 10:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:50 the vanilla code is no good for implementing monsters wearing blindfolds and being blindfolded by them 10:51 no good way to check if a monster is wearing a blindfold or not 10:51 or rather, wearing a blindfold slot item that is opaque 10:51 the difficult part is probably coding an AI that uses them intelligently; they'd wear them if you have gaze attacks or they want to see you telepathically, I guess? 10:51 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9816 10:51 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:9851 10:52 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 4734 points, T:9544, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted blue jelly 10:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:22677 10:53 if(better_to_wear_blindfold_than_not()) wear_blindfold(); 10:53