00:00 <@luxidream> feelsbad but the extra hp really helps 00:01 <@Shadow_Rider> ye it really doesnt take too long 00:01 YANI: dying in a lycantropy form is a proper death (and not just unpoly). Turning melds your inventory into yourself without burdening you, and you cannot pickup new items, until you unturn. 00:01 <@Shadow_Rider> especially when ur sitting on so many wishes 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:34343 00:01 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:35848 00:11 <@luxidream> pff 00:11 <@luxidream> how much farming did you do 00:11 aosdict: "transferring items from one container to another (not fun to implement but popular request)" GnollHack allows you to take items out of a container and put them on the floor rather than the inventory, and the reverse (picking items off the floor and put in a container). This allows you to trivially move items between containers: drop everything from one bag, then pick everything up into another. 00:12 <@luxidream> !rng run it back | zz 00:12 @luxidream: run it back 00:14 <@Shadow_Rider> lol im going for conducts 00:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2102, rt[0:03:31] 00:17 [hdf-au] [evil] cccrow (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 369 points, T:925, killed by a giant bat 00:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2667, rt[0:04:43] 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 44393 points, T:16371, killed by a pit fiend 00:19 I would just make it so you can #tip one container into another, just.. all of it. that's what folks want to do anyway 00:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3550, rt[0:06:52] 00:24 one interesting thing gnollhack does is that it makes MC far more granular 00:25 most armor pieces now grant MC, and they stack, and it gradually increases the protection offered, first insteps of 5%, then after 90%, in steps of 1% 00:26 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5889, rt[0:13:55] 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:38963 00:30 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:8714, rt[0:17:25] 00:30 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:34 [hdf-au] [evil] cccrow (Val Hum Fem Law), 365 points, T:1113, killed by a boulder 00:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:11158, rt[0:22:11] 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:40052 00:35 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:37 ok 00:37 time 2 play sum nethack 00:38 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:38 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4077 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:6487 00:41 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 00:41 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest7780 00:41 -!- Guest7780 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 00:41 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:42 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 00:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 41489 points, T:13061, [0:28:53], killed by a minotaur 00:42 <@Earth Traveler> yeah they'll do that 00:42 <@luxidream> doubled me 00:42 <@luxidream> didn't even have a chance 00:43 <@Earth Traveler> should've had your magic harp in open inventory, then you'd have 2 pet minotaurs 00:43 <@luxidream> I did 00:43 <@Earth Traveler> oh 00:43 <@luxidream> it doubled me 00:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 101365 points, T:10419, rt[1:13:12], wc[30 days, 23:42:55], zapped herself with a wand 00:45 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4693 00:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1886, rt[0:03:40] 00:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2301, rt[0:04:16] 00:52 Woof, rough way to go. 00:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:2471, rt[0:05:05] 00:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2038 points, T:2472, [0:05:07], quit 00:52 <@Earth Traveler> bruh 00:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1237 points, T:4796, killed by a gas spore's explosion 00:53 didn't even see the bag of tricks 00:53 but ok 00:53 sure whatever 00:54 :c 00:54 meanwhile in my mobile game my green dragon just friendly fire'd me breathing gas at a ghost 00:54 while I was walking into the abandoned temple with my stash in it 00:58 <@luxidream> !rng take a break | run it back 00:58 @luxidream: run it back 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:8214 00:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2520, rt[0:14:26] 01:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by naming Sting, on T:1192, rt[0:01:49] 01:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1215, rt[0:01:51] 01:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2649, rt[0:15:18] 01:01 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2075, rt[0:03:36] 01:01 GL to ya both 01:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2285, rt[0:03:53] 01:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5126, rt[0:11:18] 01:11 Today I learned breath attacks bouncing off walls can hit xorns 01:11 source: me and my dragons at the castle 01:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4511, rt[0:27:24] 01:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11428 01:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] SwankyPillow (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided class R, on T:89967 01:14 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:15 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 01:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:49951 01:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:7696, rt[0:19:20] 01:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 cursed genocide", on T:5044, rt[0:33:58] 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:51131 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:51135 01:23 wat the heck is a +5 cloak of protection doing in vanilla 01:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 holy charging", on T:9902, rt[0:30:39] 01:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:10115, rt[0:31:34] 01:30 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed genocide", on T:10258, rt[0:32:25] 01:33 [hdf-us] [fh] latin (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 21851 points, T:1847, killed by a hobgoblin 01:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:53759 01:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:11197, rt[0:37:28] 01:35 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:11726, rt[0:39:43] 01:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:10405 01:40 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:41 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 01:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:12052, rt[0:44:17] 01:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:12315, rt[0:46:20] 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10812 01:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:47 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:12802, rt[0:48:54] 01:47 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:12803, rt[0:48:55] 01:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:54791 01:47 heck 01:47 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:12945, rt[0:49:34] 01:48 is anyone else havin sum connection troubles on US server? 01:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:12963, rt[0:49:57] 01:48 <@Earth Traveler> all good here 01:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class e, on T:12968, rt[0:50:17] 01:48 im havin an easier time connecting to eu. :\ 01:49 im getting a "ssh: connect to host hardfought.org port 22: Network is down" 01:49 every now n again 01:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fireproof +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:11068 01:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:13210, rt[0:51:57] 01:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:13214, rt[0:52:05] 01:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:13504, rt[0:52:40] 01:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:13595, rt[0:53:33] 01:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:13598, rt[0:53:35] 01:52 <@Earth Traveler> lux about to break his world record time with a valk .-. 01:52 r u trolling 01:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:13567 01:53 6 min ascension lets go 01:53 hah 01:53 <@Earth Traveler> yeah i guess it'll take more than 5 minutes to wrap up the endgame 01:54 <@Shadow_Rider> imagine he breaks wr at esa 01:54 lux says you need 15 min from ammy get 01:54 5 min each for gehennom, main dungeon, planes 01:54 maybe he can do it in 10 sometimes idk 01:55 <@Shadow_Rider> 15 is probably average 01:55 <@Shadow_Rider> also depends if you mapped it all beforehand or not 01:55 ya 01:55 ttrue 01:55 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:14499, rt[0:57:34] 01:55 !8ball should i shower and go to work? 01:55 Rust: As I see it, yes 01:55 bruh 01:56 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:14531, rt[0:58:25] 01:57 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:14639, rt[0:59:15] 01:57 <@Earth Traveler> guessing he can't clear the main dungeon and the planes in the next 15 seconds 01:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:56036 01:57 anyway wasnt wr like 52 mins 01:58 <@Earth Traveler> wiki is out of date if it is 01:58 <@Earth Traveler> lists lux's 59 minute one as the quickest RT ascension 01:58 u cant trust the wiki 01:58 https://nethackscoreboard.org/realtime.nh.html 01:58 use this 01:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:56174 01:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "fixed greased +2 helmofoppositealignment", on T:15004, rt[1:00:56] 01:59 or https://www.speedrun.com/nethack#Any 01:59 <@Shadow_Rider> he has under 53 01:59 <@Shadow_Rider> just hasnt submitted it 01:59 scoreboard updates automatically 01:59 <@Shadow_Rider> also has 40 minute asc on local 01:59 but uses game-recorded realtime 01:59 [hdf-us] [fh] art (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 19204 points, T:1930, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:59 <@Earth Traveler> the 52 minute one is for 3.6 according to speedrun.com 01:59 speedrun.com runs have to be submitted 02:00 and also use wallclock 02:00 <@Shadow_Rider> also aoei pls review my 1:14 02:00 oh did lux not already do that lol 02:00 i have speedrun.com open ican do it now 02:00 <@Shadow_Rider> no :(( 02:00 <@Shadow_Rider> StatueSurfer he has 52 minutes for 3.6 and 3.7 02:00 i was about to mention speedrun.com 02:01 <@Earth Traveler> how tf did that one guy ascend 361 is 7 minutes? 02:01 <@Shadow_Rider> it was a bot 02:02 <@Earth Traveler> oh 02:02 ok it looks legit 02:02 approved 02:02 <@Earth Traveler> still only 2000 turns 02:02 <@Shadow_Rider> pog 02:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:16319, rt[1:04:38] 02:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:16319, rt[1:04:40] 02:02 https://nethackscoreboard.org/realtime.nh37x.html 02:02 <@Shadow_Rider> wasn't it something like they played out the whole seed with rng manipulatioin 02:03 <@Shadow_Rider> and then scummed until they found the seed again 02:03 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:03 no 02:03 it was much cleverer than that 02:03 <@Shadow_Rider> enlighten us 02:03 <@Shadow_Rider> i actually don't know what happened 02:03 they pre-generated info about a huge number of possible seeds and stored this in a massive hash table 02:03 <@Earth Traveler> drinks a potion of enlightenment 02:04 then rolled a tourist 02:04 used starting tourist inv and map to fast-lookup which seed they're on 02:04 <@Earth Traveler> eh that's still pretty scummy 02:04 and had a local, modified copy of the game running so their program could see everything on the level 02:04 scummy doesn't come close 02:04 it's TAS 02:05 <@Shadow_Rider> wait so it ran real time? 02:05 they did a small amount of it manually 02:05 yeah Shadow_Rider 02:05 <@Shadow_Rider> that's actuall insane 02:05 there's a more detailed writeup 02:05 but they didn't publish code 02:06 https://pellsson.github.io/ 02:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:16834, rt[1:08:22] 02:06 <@Earth Traveler> i feel like that should be on a separate scoreboard then 02:06 the manual part was finding a fountain 02:06 TAS is a long established form of speedrun but yeah 02:06 it should Earth Traveler 02:07 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:16849, rt[1:08:47] 02:07 it is in a categorical and definitional sense, pretty scummy 02:07 its just the chick who runs the nethack scoreboard is lazy as hell 02:07 :^) 02:07 and hasn't got around to it 02:07 Rust: tell her to get off her cheeks then! 02:07 you tell her 02:07 Rust: get off yer cheeks and fix the board! 02:07 no 02:07 got to go to work 02:07 welp did all I can do 02:07 -!- Umbire has left #hardfought 02:08 lol 02:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:16915, rt[1:09:55] 02:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:16924, rt[1:10:03] 02:08 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 02:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 420567 points, T:16924, [1:10:05], ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/setseed/dumplog/1625115491.seed.html 02:08 GG Luxi 02:08 <@Shadow_Rider> yaay 02:08 luxidream: pog 02:08 <@Shadow_Rider> he can do it again and again 02:08 Umbire: u tried 02:08 she doesn't listen to me either tho 02:08 :C 02:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:8503, rt[1:24:20] 02:09 <@Earth Traveler> that beats Sayo's 1:16 valkyrie 02:09 <@Earth Traveler> one of the ones listed on the wiki 02:10 yeah there's still a 2:30 listed on the wiki 02:10 @Shadow_Rider also has beaten that ;o 02:10 Umbire: get off ur cheeks and update teh wiki 02:10 hey don't pin this on me 02:10 you guys have accounts there too >:C 02:10 i thought u were teh wiki guy 02:10 I am 02:10 but I shouldn't the only one 02:10 well then 02:10 >:'C 02:10 oh 02:10 ehhh 02:11 (I'll do it anyway, just wanted to get those riffs in) 02:11 hurray 02:11 <@Shadow_Rider> this is sad 02:11 <@Shadow_Rider> foodless is not even a conduct if you scum for slow digestion 02:11 says who 02:11 this is true 02:11 <@Shadow_Rider> says me 02:12 step 1: scum for slowdig 02:12 step 2: crown 02:12 ??? 02:12 win 02:12 <@Shadow_Rider> i am doing some other ones too but it does not make it hard at all 02:12 why crown 02:12 <@Shadow_Rider> intrinsics 02:12 resistances so you braindead through the rest of the game 02:12 you dont need intrinsics 02:12 but sure w/e 02:12 you need it for the braindead part 02:12 if u really must 02:12 i guess 02:13 i did foodless wiz in 9k turns once lol 02:13 also note that foodless allows liquid diets 02:13 with no penalty 02:13 <@Earth Traveler> has anyone ever done a foodless/wishless/atheist/genocideless/polypileless/polyselfless/weaponless/pacifist ascension? 02:13 and with =oSD, they ca last for a long time 02:13 i probably did scum for =oSD tho 02:13 *can 02:13 yeah I think they used a stuffed bones file 02:13 however if you do turncount polyrun 02:13 <@Shadow_Rider> im trying wish geno elbe veg vegt food arti pile 02:13 you dont even need the =oSD really 02:13 for the record I don't see any issues with foodless startscumming 02:13 <@Shadow_Rider> which sounds more impressive tha it really is 02:13 cuz you can reset nutrition with polyself 02:13 each player is free to play as they wish 02:14 me neither FIQ 02:14 if you don't feel like foodless with startscummed =oSD is a challenge 02:14 !rng run it back again | take a break like a sane human being 02:14 luxidream: run it back again 02:14 then you are free to do the conduct without 02:14 <@Shadow_Rider> nothing wrong with it but its not difficult 02:14 luxidream: when was ESA 02:14 July 02:14 I play on Jul 27 02:14 late July 02:14 ah 02:15 didn't know exact date 02:15 luxidream: at what time, do you have couch yet 02:15 <@Earth Traveler> you won't die to a bunch of times to crappy monsters will you :v 02:15 11:47 am est 02:15 <@Shadow_Rider> lol he just won like twice in a row 02:15 I'd rather die to crappy monsters than splat 30 minutes in 02:16 luxidream: have you ascended pacifist 02:16 I don't have the patience for that 02:16 hah 02:16 Tone was trying it on our team 02:16 so I've ascended something you haven't :P 02:16 he failed by displacing one of his pets into a moat 02:16 lol rip 02:16 after like 60k turns of painstaking gameplay 02:16 <@Earth Traveler> wait how 02:16 that doesn't happen in 3.7 anymore 02:17 luxidream: heck. 02:17 <@Earth Traveler> wouldn't it have to be over the moat for that to happen 02:17 yea so u are over the moat 02:17 you swap places 02:17 pet dies 02:17 <@Shadow_Rider> levi or smth 02:17 rekt 02:17 <@Shadow_Rider> water walking 02:17 of all the ways a paci game can die 02:17 <@Earth Traveler> oh right 02:17 Displacing a pet and killing it makes you responsible for it, yeah 02:17 my first paci game, I hit an acid blob that turned out to have 1 max HP on astral 02:17 I missed 02:18 Super unfortunate 02:18 that could have gone really badly 02:18 lol fiq 02:18 luxidream: Tone would probably be better choice, but if he can't do it and I practice a lot / you give me a bunch of instructions first I could maybe be your couch 02:18 did your life flash before your eyes 02:18 and i would be off work at that time 02:18 luxidream: hah 02:18 Tone has agreed to it aoei 02:18 he says he's very sure he can take off that day 02:19 <@Shadow_Rider> aoei it was worth a try 02:19 oh right Rust is aoei 02:19 luxidream: well you didnt answer my question 02:19 about whether you had couch yet 02:19 <@Shadow_Rider> get em next time 02:19 but now I forgot what I wanted to ask aoei.. 02:19 lol 02:19 oh 02:19 yea I have couch 02:19 okey nice 02:19 anyway i will watch 02:19 obviously 02:19 oh yeah now I remember 02:19 how do i watch 02:19 Rust: so, one thing I wonder about the scoreboard 02:19 what about it 02:20 <@Shadow_Rider> lux do you have any dono ideas at this point 02:20 how does it handle the fact that in NH4 derivatives, you can start an infinite amount of games and never finish them? 02:20 allowing you to "streak" but not really 02:20 [hdf-us] [fh] Tam (sadburger) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 40721 points, T:4065, killed by a soldier ant 02:20 i have no clue how streak tracking works tbh 02:20 it doesn't 02:20 you can get cheaty streaks 02:20 i took over and modified things when Mandevil retired 02:20 the reason I asked is because I wanted to ask how you think it should be handled 02:21 because I don't know 02:21 i will have to think about it 02:21 but I don't want to remove the "start however many games you want" feature 02:21 because i also don't know 02:21 lol 02:21 <@Shadow_Rider> lux do you have any dono ideas at this point 02:21 i really oughta get ready for work lol 02:22 name character is easy 02:22 FIQ: i will try not to forget about this conversation 02:22 <@Shadow_Rider> oh i thought you said saves make it not rly work so well 02:22 ah yea that's true 02:22 2 ideas that I've seen: store an internal *sequential* game ID for each game you start and only count streaks with contiguous numbering, and a "streak" mode where you can only have one streak-eligible game at a time 02:22 uhh 02:22 ludios maybe 02:22 I don't really like either solution 02:23 but I don't know anything better 02:23 but it takes forever and is not guaranteed to exist 02:23 *2 ideas that I've thought of 02:23 I haven't "seen" them anywhere lol 02:24 <@Shadow_Rider> this is a interesting conversation but like who streaks nh4 much less abuses it 02:24 @Shadow_Rider just because nobody actually does it doesn't mean it should be fixed 02:24 because inevitably, someone will exploit it 02:24 given enough time 02:24 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:26 <@Shadow_Rider> Suppose that could be true 02:26 hmm I'm reading https://nethack-yanis.github.io/bigideas/Crafting.html 02:27 a lot of the idea is actually implemented in gnollhack 02:28 I might steal it for fiqhack, but I don't know how to balance it well 02:28 gnh completely changed gold balance 02:28 and inadvertly made Charisma a legitimately useful attribute 02:29 but I'm somewhat concerned over the implementation overall 02:29 while I didn't try to in my own game, I'm not convinced that you can't break the gnh system in half by being creative 02:30 I think the idea on that page in "paying" with junk resources that is used up instead is probably a better idea 02:30 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2159, rt[0:02:52] 02:30 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:31 -!- cccrow has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:31 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2700, rt[0:03:49] 02:31 [hdf-us] [slex] sadburger (But Cup Mal Cha), 0 points, T:14, killed by a monster (moaning spirit) 02:31 <@Joanna> FIQ i think it should be possible with the constraint that each streak game must be the first game started after the last game ended 02:32 <@Joanna> Allows some interesting consequences tho 02:32 <@Joanna> Like streaks running in parallel 02:32 <@Joanna> Staggered 02:32 @Joanna but the scoreboard wont know if you start games that you never finish 02:32 in fact I think your suggestion is how it currently works 02:32 <@Shadow_Rider> That’s ur fault lol! 02:32 but as mentioned, it doesn't really work 02:32 -!- cccrow has joined #hardfought 02:32 if the aim is to avoid potential exploitation 02:33 <@Joanna> Games you don't finish are never considered by scoreboard 02:33 exactly 02:33 so you can ascend game A 02:33 start game B, realize "ok I will not win this" 02:33 <@Joanna> They don't exist as far as scoreboard is concerned 02:33 and thus save it 02:33 and start game C instead 02:33 <@Joanna> Hmm yes 02:33 and ascend it 02:33 boom, "streak" 02:34 <@Shadow_Rider> The other option is to collectively disown this person from the community 02:34 <@Joanna> Starting multiple games is what's broken tho 02:35 <@Joanna> The whole scoreboard thing is based on xlogfile entries and those don't exist until you win or die 02:35 <@Joanna> Wtf am I supposed to do about that 02:36 <@Joanna> Other than disable streak tracking for broken variants 02:37 Oh yeah, besides Luxis most recent finish 02:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4770, rt[0:09:38] 02:37 What else do you guys want added to the wiki 02:37 <@Joanna> That's not what we wanted 02:38 <@Joanna> His most recent finish isn't notable 02:38 <@Shadow_Rider> Add a long entry about the race between aoei and I 02:38 <@Joanna> But compared to the one in the wiki it looks almost notable, that's the problem 02:38 <@Joanna> Ok I agree with @Shadow_Rider 02:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:5612, rt[0:11:29] 02:39 <@Shadow_Rider> Are we going to run it back 02:39 <@Joanna> Ya 02:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:40 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:41 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:6357, rt[0:13:56] 02:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:6876, rt[0:15:11] 02:43 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 holy charging", on T:6958, rt[0:15:57] 02:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:7025, rt[0:16:45] 02:45 lol 02:45 But yeah for real, clarify what you'd like added 02:47 <@Joanna> It's fine we can fix it ourselves 02:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed genocide", on T:8836, rt[0:22:31] 02:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:8860, rt[0:22:47] 02:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:9275, rt[0:25:00] 02:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:9277, rt[0:25:02] 02:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy ring of teleport control", on T:9308, rt[0:25:16] 02:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 995 points, T:2141, killed by a dagger 02:56 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:9914, rt[0:28:44] 02:59 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "amulet of life saving", on T:11225, rt[0:34:55] 03:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:11245, rt[0:35:03] 03:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:11618, rt[0:37:04] 03:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:11619, rt[0:37:05] 03:06 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 03:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:11870, rt[0:39:16] 03:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class e, on T:11873, rt[0:39:22] 03:07 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 03:07 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy wand of death", on T:11998, rt[0:40:17] 03:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:12011, rt[0:40:31] 03:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:12024, rt[0:40:43] 03:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:12038, rt[0:41:01] 03:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:12070, rt[0:41:39] 03:09 -!- cccrow has quit [Quit: cccrow] 03:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:12220, rt[0:42:45] 03:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:12223, rt[0:42:47] 03:10 <@Shadow_Rider> :0 speedy 03:11 <@Joanna> Pog 03:11 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "+2 fixed greased helmofoppositealignment", on T:12459, rt[0:44:00] 03:11 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:12464, rt[0:44:05] 03:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:12644, rt[0:45:36] 03:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:12649, rt[0:45:38] 03:13 <@Joanna> FIQ i think if you saved a unique ID when a given game ends, you can link the first game started after that game ends to this ID 03:13 -!- eady has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14 <@Joanna> Then you can have situations like game A start, game B start, game A end, game C start, game D start, game D end, game C end 03:14 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 54 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:13032, rt[0:47:12] 03:14 <@Joanna> And you can see them as two separate chains 03:15 <@Joanna> An AB chain and a CD chain 03:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 44 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:13401, rt[0:48:27] 03:16 <@Joanna> Might be difficult to implement tho idk 03:16 <@Joanna> I think it's doable with two additional xlog fields 03:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:13471, rt[0:48:56] 03:16 <@Joanna> On my end 03:16 <@Joanna> More complicated on yours 03:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "3 cursed gain level", on T:13613, rt[0:49:44] 03:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "holy ring of levitation", on T:13753, rt[0:50:22] 03:18 TIL that you can disable the "_" command by setting the travel option to false 03:18 that seems like a completely pointless option but w/e 03:19 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 03:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:14270, rt[0:51:44] 03:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:14957, rt[0:53:18] 03:22 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 03:24 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:15502, rt[0:56:24] 03:24 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:15512, rt[0:56:37] 03:24 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 771714 points, T:15523, [0:56:51], ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/setseed/dumplog/1625120854.seed.html 03:24 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 03:24 gratz luxidream, nice time 03:25 <@Shadow_Rider> Very impressive :0 03:25 <@Earth Traveler> that might a valkyrie all-time record 03:25 <@luxidream> thanks 03:25 <@luxidream> not a record tho 03:25 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 03:25 <@Shadow_Rider> Extra WoW? 03:26 <@luxidream> yes, late though 03:26 <@luxidream> at 15 minutes 03:26 <@Shadow_Rider> The two blessed magic lamps too 03:26 <@luxidream> didn't use em 03:26 <@luxidream> found them later 03:27 <@luxidream> yeenoghu found me but I managed to get him to run away and own him with a c corpse 03:27 <@luxidream> I remembered to do my marathon safe nurse dancing that time 03:27 <@Shadow_Rider> Aha so you did 03:27 <@Shadow_Rider> Where do you do it btw? 03:27 <@luxidream> castle 03:28 <@Earth Traveler> goes downstairs 03:28 <@Earth Traveler> sees a master mind flayer 03:28 <@Earth Traveler> goes back upstairs 03:28 the old luxidream woulda risked it without nurse dancing and gotten sub 50 :/ 03:28 :^) 03:28 <@Shadow_Rider> Lux has his sights set on sub 40 03:28 <@luxidream> it is possible 03:28 <@luxidream> hard 03:28 <@luxidream> but possible 03:28 <@Earth Traveler> without TAS? no way 03:29 I believe 03:29 <@Shadow_Rider> What were your splits on that one? 03:29 <@luxidream> StatueSurfer: I have a 40:23 that I have no proof of offline 03:29 <@luxidream> all that exists is a single screenshot 03:30 if you're playing offline maybe just record anyway 03:30 <@luxidream> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/319364697826787329/844037450694131722/unknown.png?width=970&height=556 03:30 <@Shadow_Rider> At this point everyone has accepted it as fact 03:30 <@luxidream> I reach castle at like 16-17, invocation at 25, win 40 03:31 <@Earth Traveler> what did this have, a loaded bones and multiples WoWs or something? 03:31 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 03:31 <@luxidream> one wand of wishing, 0:3 03:31 <@luxidream> in sokoban 03:31 <@Shadow_Rider> StatueSurfer you seem to be less familiar with how good luxi is at nethack 03:31 <@Shadow_Rider> :)) 03:32 <@Shadow_Rider> Speedrunners play no bones 03:34 hey luxidream if anyone doubts your local games' luck hire an astrophysicist to prove it 03:35 !tell aoei just noticed that if you have 1 game 1 win the win% is listed as 50% and not 100% 03:35 Will do, amateurhour! 03:36 <@Joanna> Ok that's weird 03:36 <@Shadow_Rider> Anyone interested in becoming the first 100% speed runner? 03:36 <@luxidream> amateurhour: someone pmed me from speedrun.com asking if I would accept their offline run, telling me that I could do statistical analysis to detect cheaters 03:36 <@luxidream> needless to say I didn't change my mind 03:37 haha that's epic 03:37 <@Earth Traveler> how would you even define a 100% run in nethack 03:37 <@Joanna> @amateurhour you sure that was with 0 scummed games? 03:37 <@luxidream> extinctionist 03:37 Rust: how come gnh isn't in the scoreboard? 03:37 given that there's public xlogfiles 03:37 <@Joanna> They count for win% but not number of games 03:37 <@Earth Traveler> extinctionist isn't even an official conduct but it's going to be the basis for a speedrun category? 03:37 as far as I know I had never played fourk before 03:37 <@Joanna> I told u that aoei chick is lazy FIQ 03:38 you did? I must have missed that 03:38 maybe I scummed one years ago? I have no idea honestly 03:38 <@luxidream> extinctionist run would be some baten kaitos level of drudgery and no one will do that 03:38 <@Joanna> Maybe if you pester she will get around to it 03:38 I don't like pestering people 03:38 <@Joanna> amateurhour which account/variant? 03:38 amateurhour/fourk 03:38 <@luxidream> !tell aoei add gnollhack :3 03:38 No worries, @luxidream, I've got this! 03:38 scurscum 03:39 <@Joanna> Ok ok 03:39 gnollhack is fun 03:39 would non-ironically recommend it 03:39 <@Earth Traveler> so any thoughts on how to get around this DL7 master mind flayer? 03:39 <@luxidream> elbereth 03:40 I had fun with gnh 03:40 <@Shadow_Rider> Juke him 03:40 <@Joanna> I won tc trophy for 366 and 370 :) 03:40 but I have some problems with how it does stuff 03:40 nice one aoei 03:40 <@Shadow_Rider> Wand of digging and don’t look back 03:40 the spell system is kinda interesting but the way it works right now makes most latergame spells just overall unfeasible 03:41 <@Joanna> And 2nd place wallclock on 366 03:41 they're just too expensive 03:41 <@Joanna> I'm p happy with this 03:41 <@Earth Traveler> yeah i might just dig past him 03:41 <@Earth Traveler> and i can outrun him anyway 03:41 <@Joanna> Also sorry FIQ I was telling someone else I was lazy 03:41 haha FIQ what I did was collect loads of components, not knowing which spells I was gonna use them for 03:41 <@Joanna> But now I've told you as well 03:41 amateurhour: yeah I did the same thing 03:41 but it's still not ideal 03:41 then eventually realised I kinda didn't want to spellcast a whole bunch 03:41 yeah, same 03:41 <@Shadow_Rider> Who is this tinkleloser who beat me at real time 03:41 so dropped them all because they were collectively heavy 03:41 :D 03:41 meh 03:42 I used a bag of wizardry 03:42 didn't really have encumbrance problems 03:42 does that make components' weight 0? 03:42 no 03:42 it makes them weight 1/64 03:42 if the container is blessed 03:42 er, the bag of wizardry that is 03:42 I'd link you my dumplog 03:42 ah nice, I didn't bother identifying containers but I really should have I guess 03:42 but, yeah 03:42 yeah.. 03:43 oh yeah that's another thing I didn't really like 03:43 <@Joanna> Lol it says it right there amateurhour. Games 1, wins 1, scum 1 #notabug #wontfix 03:43 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/860062961598070794/Screenshot_20210701_094229_com.android.chrome.jpg 03:43 you can minimize any encumbrance trouble by carrying 3-4 different kinds of bags 03:43 but it greatly increases bag micromanagement 03:43 which is annoying 03:43 <@luxidream> golf bagging bags? 03:43 more or less, yeah 03:43 I was carrying 3 bags 03:44 wizardry to decrease weights of scrolls, books, reagents, wands to 1/64 03:44 glutton to decrease weight of potions and food to 1/20 03:44 and er 03:44 treasure hauling 03:44 scum 1 huh 03:45 when did I scum one 03:45 <@Joanna> But if you have UX suggestions for displaying wins, (nonscummed) games, scummef games and win% more clearly 03:45 <@Joanna> Then im all ears 03:45 to decrease gold and gems to 1/64 03:45 also I was mistaken, treasure hunting is the 1/64 one 03:45 wizardry is 1/16 03:45 when blessed 03:45 -!- Amyflueschlie has joined #hardfought 03:45 <@Joanna> I have no idea without checking the db cuz normally scummed games are counted but not displayed anywhere 03:45 <@luxidream> !rng run it back again | spare your mental health 03:45 @luxidream: spare your mental health 03:45 <@luxidream> phew 03:45 <@Joanna> Lol 03:46 it must have been years ago 03:46 <@Joanna> How is it already 9:45 03:46 well that's disappointing 03:46 <@Joanna> Guess im working til 18:30 or 19:00 today 03:46 <@Joanna> Rip 03:46 alright amateurhour you havent figured it out, eh? start a sec, type #technique. :P mocking gravestone inscriptions for 2.72 incoming. :D 03:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:12665 03:46 Amy the amount of time I spent thinking about it after the 5 mins of sec I played was 0 :P 03:47 I knew it had to be either a charge technique or a certain race/gender/align got free chargers 03:47 yeah but... instead of suiciding you could have recharged the wand at least once! 03:47 that would have saved me maybe 20 seconds, I did like 3 games total :P 03:48 maybe next year I'll go for that trophy for real 03:48 when I said familiarize yourself with the role, I was implying that instead of playing blindly, one should always look at the inventory, techniques etc. first 03:48 considering adding 3 additional properties on bags to avoid oilskin being 100% guranteed 03:49 object properties I mean 03:49 also, you could pick the haxor race to start with two wands of banishment instead of one ;) 03:49 greed; makes gold weight 0 but makes opening bags suspect to failing 03:50 can't pick haxor Amy I'd need to be able to escape minus world 03:50 so gotta pick a race that makes that easier 03:50 discovery, reveals base type of items when put into the bag 03:50 and refrigerated 03:50 which freezes corpse timers inside bags 03:50 near-infinite cockatrice corpses 03:50 nice 03:50 FIQ: wow, infinite identify? sounds op 03:51 Amyflueschlie: only base type 03:51 so not as strong as it might seem at first 03:51 lol amateurhour :D apparently we have different standards for what we consider op 03:51 it's a very rare random find, and not even wonder gurantees it unless you try a lot 03:52 <@Joanna> And one of those might be sane standards c: 03:52 FIQ: complete removal of scroll, potion, wand, magical armor etc. id game? op :P 03:52 I considered digestion as well (eats items at random) but that seemed a bit mean 03:52 <@Earth Traveler> hmmm... with MR liches and demiliches aren't such an immediate threat, so i guess i'll blessgeno h first to get rid of that master mind flayer 03:52 and yeah the identify spell is similarly op in vanilla :P 03:53 eats as in "makes items vanish like a cursed BoH" 03:53 slex removes the tedium of gehennom... by making it longer for some reason 03:53 Streicheljohanna: und welches? <3 03:53 slex removes the annoyance of identifying things... by making it so identification doesn't work most of the time 03:53 :P 03:53 I typically geno flayers first, yes 03:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:12805 03:54 <@Earth Traveler> well my specific logic here is that a master mind flayer is on one of the floors above me... and i'm on DL9 03:54 !8ball will my train be on time? 03:54 Amyflueschlie: Outlook good 03:55 <@Earth Traveler> Amyflueschile: Every line of code you add to slex slows your train down a by just a hair 03:55 !8ball will I freeze to death because the heating in this train does not go? 03:55 Amyflueschlie: My reply is no 03:56 if you got all 4 properties, you'd get a refrigerated oilskin bag of holding, discovery and greed 04:00 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:00 Earth Traveler: it's spelled "Flüschlie", which means roughly "little fleecy bundle" ;) 04:04 <@Earth Traveler> hey lux have you killed your quest leader during any of your 370 runs? 04:05 <@Shadow_Rider> Based on what he said it’s not really that viable for real time 04:06 <@Shadow_Rider> Even if you manage to kill them your luck tanks to the point where you can’t hit anything 04:06 just be lucky irl to compensate? 04:07 removal of quest entry level requirement (or at least reducing it to something sane like 9, which one could reach without excessive grinding) when :P 04:07 <@Shadow_Rider> Lol but 0% is a hard roll to hit 04:07 <@Earth Traveler> i ascended my monk last game while i was "very unlucky" according to my dumplog 04:08 monks get a great to-hit bonus for their martial arts 04:08 <@luxidream> hard to hit through -10 luck 04:08 <@luxidream> also the quest leader is hard to kill 04:08 <@luxidream> basically impossible to take them in a straight fight 04:09 open console, type "player.setav luck 13", profit :P 04:09 also, can't you just wand of death the leader? 04:09 <@Earth Traveler> technically -7 after blessed luckstone :p 04:09 <@Shadow_Rider> Hard to find one tho 04:09 <@Shadow_Rider> It gets set to -10 04:09 the luck thing, could you just sacrifice at an altar to set it to 0 again? might be kind of quick 04:10 <@luxidream> Also comes with 4 anger 04:10 ah 04:10 revgeno unicorns maybe? idk, hard on supplies 04:10 <@Shadow_Rider> I think it could work but a lot of things need to fall into place 04:10 <@Earth Traveler> yeah okay 04:10 <@Shadow_Rider> If you can revgeno unicorns just revgeno wraiths 04:12 so bottom line is, slex is still easier to speedrun than 3.7 because you can just ignore the leader there and go on the quest at any time. :D 04:12 alright I should log off and stop spouting bullshit ;) 04:12 -!- Amyflueschlie has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 04:12 lol 04:15 <@Earth Traveler> a proper slex speedrun is how fast you can press '<' 04:15 <@Earth Traveler> followed by the 'y' to confirm that you want to escape the dungeon 04:17 Junethack: The boring post tournament statistics page is up https://junethack.net/post_tournament_statistics 04:19 heh dwarf valk used 65 times to kill medusa 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided shocking spheres, on T:14346 04:19 <@Earth Traveler> valks overall were over 1/4 of all medusa kills 04:20 <@Earth Traveler> and probably a similar percentage of ascensions 04:20 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:21 170k start scummed games 04:22 oh hey vanilla had less than 50% of the games this year, that's cool 04:23 <@Earth Traveler> if you lump 343 in it was just over 50% 04:23 <@Earth Traveler> but that's being picky :p 04:24 oh true 04:24 booo 04:24 time to delete 343 and 3.6.6 from junethack 04:31 <@wheals> nethackscoreboard.org has a conduct i don't recognize for my dyna win, i guess that "magi" is no wishes for magical items? 04:32 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 04:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:47 <@Earth Traveler> wow i got literally the deepest medusa's possible 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:17066 05:01 -!- entuland has joined #hardfought 05:06 gratz 05:08 I have to add some data to the post tournament statistics page. I wonder who start scummed so many games. that might be more start scummed games than ever. speaks of Tyr's hammering of junethack in the first years that I didn't notice any performance issues :-) 05:09 we already know who it was 05:09 * amateurhour looks at aoei 05:20 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 05:27 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law), 235 points, T:319, killed by an Elvenking 05:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Singhend (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 540 points, T:1360, killed by a dwarf 05:35 -!- evh has quit [Quit: Reconnecting] 05:37 -!- evh has joined #hardfought 05:37 !pom 05:37 Grasshopper: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 8 days. 05:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] fakepass (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 4754 points, T:2154, killed by a dagger 05:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) had a bone-carved staff entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:15023 05:46 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:48 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 05:49 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1568, rt[0:13:57] 05:49 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 05:51 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:07 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 06:07 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 436 points, T:1330, killed by a kitten 06:13 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:28 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 06:34 -!- wvc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:45 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Cha) destroyed VeryWiseFrog's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:4869 06:58 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 07:03 yo amateurhour. now that I've familiarized you with the sec role... time for you to develop your 200IQ strategy where you no longer have to risk your char's death trying to get a charger in the gamma caves, but can simply recharge your wand for free by using the technique! :P 07:03 LarienTelrunya: Message from FIQ at 2021-06-30 14:19 EDT: yeah I considered throwing that code out but I assumed there was a reason for it (perhaps needed for pdcurses? I don't know) 07:03 you have 11 months to refine your strats until the next tournament, hahaha! 07:03 I already know the strat 07:03 scum until it works 07:03 :) 07:04 FIQ: I have no idea what context you are talking about as I can't find that string on the xnethack wiki, commits, or changelogs 07:04 let me guess, it went from "selfzap selfzap selfzap oh empty? well geronimo" to "selfzap selfzap selfzap oh empty? recharge selfzap selfzap selfzap daaaaaamn empty again? well geronimo" 07:04 Amy I literally did that 3 times and the total amount of time I spent on it must have been like 3 minutes tops :P 07:05 yet those 3 minutes appear to have radically changed your life as you're obsessed with them :P 07:05 I pinky swear I'll pull off the perfect minus world heist next year 07:05 :D 07:05 heh, yeah I'm the crazy bitch who wants to see that strat optimized :P 07:06 FIQ: gnollhack's way is an improvement but there's no reason you shouldn't be able to move items between containers if you're levitating or flying over lava or whatever 07:06 if you're already using lame scumming strategies, please at least scum *efficiently*! ;) 07:06 bundlebundlebundle! 07:07 lol okay I'll add more zaps in next time :P 07:08 how can 150k junethack games be start scummed if aoei the Master Startscummer only has 7k scummed ones?! is there some other startscummer who does it even more excessively? 07:10 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1770 points, T:2474, poisoned by a rotted rothe corpse 07:11 i'd been pondering about improved container<->container menu, but #tipping into another container would far simpler 07:12 YANI: why the hell can you take out or put in more than one item without taking extra time? it should be so that every turn you can either take out one item, or put in one item, and that's it. if you want to do more than that, you have to use the container again next turn to take out the next item. :P 07:13 good point 07:14 eg on astral I will be very careful to maximise items stashed/taken out in 1 turn 07:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a lesser nightmare, on T:18205 07:14 Tipping into another container gets you most of the way there, but if it can be implemented such that you can pick and choose what to transfer, I don't see why you shouldn't be able to 07:15 ^ 07:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Aphrodite, on T:18211 07:15 Also I'd think moving a bunch of items in one action is one of those "acceptable breaks from reality" things 07:15 like for instance I don't want to dump everything from my boh into my stash and then later oops I forgot to take my healing potions back out 07:15 mobileuser: with my idea, you'd be able to take out 2 blessed potions of full healing in one turn, but if you want to get out both the blessed potion of full healing and the uncursed one, it takes two turns. :P 07:16 yeah Amy make it so the player is paralysed during that time 07:16 or wait 07:16 even better 07:16 have 1/n chance of taking out an n item stack (to match slex's approach on dipping stacks) 07:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:48753 07:16 also, in castle of the winds you actually had to transfer items one at a time; in that game, scrolls and potions couldn't even stack, so if you had 5 potions of cure critical wounds, you'd have to transfer each of them individually and it'd always take a turn doing so :D 07:18 just in case those are seen as actual suggestions it was sarcasm 07:18 also CoW required items to be either in the free hand slot or the belt if you wanted to actually use them, and even the best belt could only hold 6 potions or so (individual ones, not stacks), so you'd better not run out of them at a critical time :P 07:18 do you have a castle of the winds extended 07:18 (because transferring an item from the container to the belt would require a turn) 07:19 hahahahaha 07:19 slex is basically what cow extended could have been, if the cow author had released the source code 07:19 Can I quote you on that? 07:20 except for cow I'd have had to make graphics, severely limiting the amount of creativity I could display, so I'm just soooooo glad that nethack isn't burdened by that :D 07:20 think about the enormous amount of work it would be to make graphics for 35k monster species! 07:21 Umbire: sure, why not? 07:22 damn I actually need sleep 07:23 !amateurhour play slex | play elona | work on the next slex version | go to sleep you damn bitch! 07:23 play slex but quit your current game to play more up to date version 07:23 lmfao 07:23 lol I have no current game on the server... 07:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] fakepass (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1232 07:23 then go to sleep 07:25 lol did I actually write a motd that calls junethack the "public nethack variant beta test" and make it so that it still displays outside of june? 07:25 does that message change daily? 07:25 sadly no 07:26 misleading name, banned for lies 07:26 do you want to watch me press start to game over? :D (just kidding, although I don't think this char will get far) 07:26 what're you playing as? 07:26 librarian 07:27 I guess I could resume my gremthief since June's over and you're not bothering with sleep either 07:27 well I can sleep later when I get back from the second part of my split shift; at home right now but need to leave again in about four hours 07:27 'k 07:28 gimme a while, need to make some notes for eventual DnD session 07:28 no prob, I'm busy playing my own game anyway, but can watch yours in a second window once you're ready :) 07:28 what're you gonna use for a weapon? 07:28 probably an axe, need to find one first though 07:28 coincidentally my char is also an axe-wielder 07:29 Umbire: what role are you playing again? assassin? 07:29 18 int start wtf 07:29 hacks and cheats 07:29 loooool 07:29 wait why is my charisma so bad though 07:29 that seems like a normal starting charisma? 07:29 :^) 07:30 could you press #enhance a sec so I can peek? 07:30 well I'm a librarian, come on! those are super sexy! they look like this: https://image.shutterstock.com/shutterstock/photos/57944518/display_1500/stock-photo-a-sexy-librarian-pin-up-girl-57944518.jpg :D 07:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] fakepass (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) was given Magicbane, on T:1683 07:30 I see that you have never been to a library 07:30 fair enough, not everyone utilises them these days 07:30 someone should file a feature request for the tip-into-container 07:30 here; it continues to the next page where it has occult and elemental spells 07:31 I might do it pax 07:32 oh the wiki slightly undersells them a lil 07:32 ?! 07:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 260 points, T:1104, killed by a dwarf 07:32 they're a great spellcaster, and they do get a non-zero amount of weapon skills 07:32 well the axe skill comes from the fro race, librarians normally wouldn't have that 07:32 and the other one? 07:33 knife is always there as a librarian 07:33 but knives suck :P 07:33 > and a complete lack of weapon skills 07:33 lies upon lies 07:33 how can we trust anything in this world 07:33 :3 07:33 Umbire: just a quick one, quoting the relevant stuff from here should be good enough 07:34 Sure, sure 07:34 Gonna be my first pullie, should be fun 07:34 it'd be an issue rather than a pull request I suppose :P 07:35 not a pr, unless you're writing the code too ... 07:35 also, might be faster if you just email directly 07:39 where would I raise the issue specifically though 07:39 or does that not matter 07:42 Seems like it doesn't matter 07:44 -!- Grassy has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:45 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 07:47 paxed: fwiw I wasn't here for most of that conversation 07:48 At least the parts where it was first brought up 07:52 lol this scroll label was probably suggested by you amateurhour? 07:56 <@Umby> paxed, how's this? 07:56 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/860126695880654868/unknown.png 07:56 kerpuf 08:01 yo Umbire, rogue apparently, not assassin? 08:02 I did say gremthief 08:02 This is an old game, remember? 08:02 yeah 08:02 Didn't wanna splat it during June so 08:02 it's still the old version 2.71 08:02 err, 2.70, 2.71 is the new one 08:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:02 sorry I guess I'm really sleep deprived :P 08:02 I know 08:03 anyway what's your weapon? 08:03 what scroll label Amy? 08:03 amateurhour: 0 OUT OF 10 BOOOO HISSS 08:03 Oh, right, Litebane 08:03 ahh 08:03 that does sound exactly like something I would say 08:03 yeah Litebane is a pretty good weapon, even if you lack the lightsaber skill 08:04 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/issues/539 08:04 have two forms 08:04 oh rogues have shii-cho, that's useful 08:04 a good artifact? sounds like a bug 08:05 I mean to be fair(?) this one is "Magicbane but a lightsaber" 08:05 shii-cho is the most straightforward lightsaber form: it trains if you hit things with the lit lightsaber, and increases damage if you enhance it :) 08:05 it should act like a luckstone while on the ground beneath your feet 08:05 to continue the tradition of slex artifacts being useless 08:05 :) 08:06 wow, another weapon shop in my game 08:06 maybe this one will have an axe for me? 08:06 Amy what's a good race to pick for a combatant 08:07 huh is the topmodel gone? also how would I know... you like conducts, right? japura :P 08:07 double damage, that's pretty epic 08:08 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown, on T:3866, rt[1:15:17] 08:08 double damage to monsters from variants other than vanilla as well as those from other games like Diablo or Elona. 08:08 so, not double damage to everything :P 08:09 how many vanilla monsters do you usually see? 08:09 oh and you have the advantage of knowing the long sword skill, but I guess you want to use marital arts 08:09 martial arts sucks unless you have no body armour 08:09 or are a monk 08:09 or both 08:09 eh, it doesn't matter whether monsters are from vanilla, what does is whether they're explicitly from other variants for the japura to get a bonus, seen in the pokedex 08:09 that's what I discovered from brief testing with a topmodel 08:09 -!- Guest4561 has joined #hardfought 08:10 -!- Guest4561 is now known as post163 08:10 yeah but what happened to the beautiful topmodel? :/ 08:10 did she not get a photo today? 08:10 I quit it, will maybe come back to it, wanted to try the combatant you mentioned 08:11 "omg OP skill set!" 08:11 huh this combatant did not even get martial arts 08:11 ??? it should be on the second page 08:11 it has bare-handed combat AND martial arts? 08:11 how do I switch? 08:11 yes, you can #monster to switch between the two, although in almost all cases you'll want to use marts 08:12 ah sweet, cheers 08:12 and you have increased chance of making monsters flee because of the juyo skill; this can be deactivated if you're e.g. a knight and want to avoid caitiff penalties 08:12 plus the petkeeping skill means that your projectiles and spells sometimes pass through pets; if you deliberately WANT to hit your pet with such an effect, you can turn that off as well 08:13 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Com Jap Fem Cha), 109 points, T:175, killed by a lucern hammer 08:13 looooool how'd you get into such a room so fast? trapdoor? 08:13 a monster hit me with a teleport attack 08:13 stupid garibaldi rooms 08:13 oh, a weeping or nexus attack or something like that? 08:13 some kind of lash 08:13 Go Team Arabella :D 08:13 !lastgame amateurhour 08:13 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1625141432.slex.txt | [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1622575360.slex.txt 08:14 was probably a "sad survivor" 08:14 why am I stumbling 08:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 577 points, T:2812, killed by a giant spider 08:16 now I have an automatic katana and a devil star... wondering which of those is better 08:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1960 points, T:2918, killed by a gold golem 08:16 apparently the morning star deals more damage 08:19 oh come on RNG... 08:20 What's an asterisk again... need to review inventory more in-depth 08:20 soon as I finish baggin' shit 08:20 press the item's corresponding letter in inventory view for a description :P it's a morning star 08:20 not a very strong one though 08:21 An asterisk is like a meteorisk that hasn't fallen to the ground yet. 08:21 I know to do that 08:21 I'm just in the middle of bagging stuff 08:21 Or was, left arrow by habit and it autoaborted 08:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:26 amateurhour: in case you're wondering, the stomping boots give very fast speed, kick damage bonus and aggravate monster 08:27 that'll be why monsters keep coming out of portals I'm guessing 08:27 yeah 08:29 jonadab, heh heh. 08:29 btw amateurhour, if you #monster to emit a mind blast, it trains the squeaking skill, and if that reaches skilled, it unlocks a relatively useful technique 08:30 also lol still doing vegetarian conduct even though you already broke it by sucking some brains? 08:30 I'm not 08:31 lol a bag of holding 08:31 What class to ascend for learning, after having ascended val, bar and wiz ? 08:31 monk or priest 08:31 knowing you, you'll not even carry it around ;) 08:31 I'll carry it around but I won't use it 08:31 lets try monk 08:32 rofl 08:32 hahaha now you even have a way of getting rid of it! 08:33 a way of getting rid of what sorry? 08:33 the bag of holding, because now you have two and can put one into the other :D 08:33 got an axe, not letting you have it sry 08:33 damn can you give me that axe, my char would probably have a use for it 08:33 blaaaaah 08:34 tentacle attacks are so spammy if the monster doesn't have a brain 08:34 yeah, that can get annoying 08:35 yay I found the pool challenge 08:36 laaaaaaaaaaag 08:40 you found out that all roles get the martial arts buff if wearing a robe/nothing right? 08:40 yes 08:41 it makes sense 08:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Quetzalcoatl, on T:27642 08:41 non-monks don't get the special strikes (like staggering attack) though 08:41 can understand making it a monk-only benefit though to make them have a point 08:42 nah, what I did for 2.72 was to make it so that the bonus is lesser if not wearing a robe, so monks get an advantage because they don't have to find a robe :P 08:43 so monk's special status as 'the martial arts guy' is not reduced to 'the martial arts guy but only cuz they start with a robe' 08:43 :P 08:43 now* 08:43 well they still have the better martial arts damage calculation (which is monk-specific) and the staggering blows 08:43 for all other roles, the damage stops going up once the skill is maxxed; a monk in particular gets a XL-dependant extra bonus at grand master skill 08:44 lol you're not using the pool challenge for free searching skill training :P 08:44 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7167, rt[1:51:34] 08:44 what, do you just stand there spamming s for a bit? 08:44 that doesn't sound very fun... 08:45 well if you actually find a trap, it trains the skill, and there's 8 pit traps in the pool challenge 08:45 or how did you think the searching skill is trained? 08:45 * amateurhour shrugs 08:45 and before you get your hopes up: no, you can't forcibly induce amnesia to find a trap again :P every trap only trains the skill once 08:46 everything is such a grind 08:48 slex is a long game, wouldn't want players to have all skills maxxed out by dungeon level 10 ;) 08:48 wouldn't want players to max out half the skills ever* :P 08:49 still alive btw 08:49 gratz 08:49 -!- Rust is now known as ButtRs 08:50 if they make a 3rd wargames movie its gonna be about slex 08:51 No I mean I'm actually doing stuff in-game now 08:51 stood on a nastytrap 08:51 committing save and stop playing 08:51 hahaha checkerboard trap, good luck keeping your sanity while playing through that one 08:51 Oh there's red arremers, neat 08:52 Umbire: they're extremely dangerous 08:52 why are there traps in soko 08:53 good question 08:53 much later in the game you could even find white arremers, which are even worse 08:53 this is slex, some sokoban levels have traps ;) 08:53 hopefully you don't have some particularly annoying trap spawn in the boulder corridor! 08:53 gahwhyamigettingsomuchlag 08:54 wait I have to find the pits too??? 08:55 yes; actually searching instead of blindly stepping into them is a good idea, because it trains searching skill if you find them 08:55 well not "have to" but not being immediately visible is a bit ??? 08:55 gah, ping of 236 ms to hdf-eu with almost 20% packet loss... unplayable 08:55 sorry but ur playing slex 08:55 ouch 08:55 gotta wait until my connection behaves properly again 08:56 Umbire: it's obvious that you're not used to slex yet ;) 08:56 you ain't seen nothing 08:56 pro/con to this trap placement: 08:56 + it keeps pets out of the way 08:56 - it keeps pets out of the way 08:56 which trap is it? squeaky board? 08:56 - prompts every time I cross 08:56 - Amy I've literally seen you play through half the game I at least have a rough idea 08:57 well, it can also happen that the boulders in slex aren't pre-mapped, or the sokoban levels themselves... or any combination of the three :P 08:57 and boulders can also rarely spawn invisible, or even more rarely doubly invisible (i.e. see invisible wouldn't let you see those)! 08:57 also there's an artifact boulder called "Wendyhole", which farts every time you push it :D 08:58 Yeah, okay. 08:58 so if you think having the pits not pre-mapped is bad, wait until you encounter those other bits of evilness ;) 09:00 uhh Umbire may I ask why you're not using the repeat command??? what you're doing there is highly dangerous 09:04 am I even still connected? 09:04 !rumor slex 09:04 The sheep race has magikarp power, which comes online if a player endures playing as one for 20 experience levels. 09:04 apparently yes 09:04 connection is so bad, I'm getting tons of packet loss trying to tracert to eu.hardfought.org 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 250 points, T:2908, killed by a crossbow bolt 09:10 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:14 !setmintc 300 09:14 post163: [hdf-au][hdf-us][hdf-eu] Min reported turncount for post163 set to 300 09:14 !variant 09:14 post163: nh343 09:18 Well, polymorphed while wearing a cloak 09:19 that was probably a cloak of polymorph 09:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 486 points, T:1262, killed by a flint stone 09:20 god my connection doesn't want to fix itself it seems 09:20 can't play with such lag 09:21 why not just pretend you have a lagstone 09:21 so I can just sit here watching you play and caress my velvet pumps and cute pink socks :P 09:21 ('-' ) 09:22 oh haha that's a particularly bad polymorph form you got there 09:24 lag is so bad that even watching you lags my terminal 09:25 don't forget to re-equip after unpolymorphing :D 09:25 hi post163 09:26 hi qt 09:26 -!- K2 has quit [Changing host] 09:26 -!- K2 has joined #hardfought 09:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+ov K2 K2] by iridium.libera.chat 09:26 someone was talking about you on Reddit 09:26 did you see that? 09:27 I saw the post bot post - I find it extremely hilarious to die on turn 1 and stare at the special message. 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2078 09:29 I have never gotten that message. Given the level of appeal it has for you I am afraid to try for it lest I be completely seduced :) 09:29 wut I just got word that apparently on Friday 16 I'll have *no tour at all* 09:30 this is unacceptable, my last day with no tour was just two months or so ago! 09:30 this also breaks my "longest amount of days without any day off" streak! gotta file a complaint 09:30 :P 09:30 just go on a train and talk to strangers anyway 09:30 I'd imagine it gets old after the 500th time 09:32 well you're probably constantly chasing the dragon of that very first pony slip 09:32 i hear the rush (to die) is unbelievable 09:33 !amateurhour go on playing through stupid lag | eat something | play something else | work on next slex version | do fun stuff 09:33 go on playing through stupid lag 09:33 hahaha 09:33 like I said before, just pretend you have a lagstone :P 09:33 yeah but the lagstone doesn't affect scrolling through the inventory! 09:34 this breaks my immersion ;) 09:34 <@Earth Traveler> does slex have a lagstone yet 09:34 uhh the lagstone has been added long ago... 09:34 oooooold news :P 09:34 <@Earth Traveler> naturally 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 181 points, T:1287, killed by an invisible hobbit, while praying 09:35 <@Earth Traveler> i guess frodo finally got corrupted by the One Ring 09:38 oh great, now I triggered a nastytrap and will have to endure its effects in addition to the lag 09:38 sounds like the typical slex experience 09:39 aosdict: what string? 09:39 <@Earth Traveler> i guess amy has to make sure her creation is still inflicting misery on its players 09:40 yay my connection finally fixed itself, or so it seems 09:40 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 09:41 or maybe not... started to lag again after a minute or so without lag 09:42 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:42 -!- Grassy is now known as Grasshopper 09:44 >id resistance 09:44 lol 09:44 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1776 points, T:1194, killed by a gray dragon 09:44 I am thinking about buying a bike 09:45 but I only learned how to ride a bike a couple years ago and all the ones on craigslist have those fancy handlebars that look like a U shape 09:45 are those hard to use 09:45 <@Earth Traveler> well just make sure it isn't cursed 09:46 like this https://newyork.craigslist.org/brk/bik/d/brooklyn-bike-motobecane-france-bicycle/7343154754.html 09:46 I find them intimidating 09:46 Cursed bike would be just the bad parts of levitation in reverse 09:46 can't reach stuff on the ground because you're welded to the handlebars 09:47 always fall down stairs but can't go up them 09:47 (in fact that might not be the right phrase for it) 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh343] fakepass (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 478 points, T:452, killed by a bolt of fire 09:51 aosdict you ride bikes right? please help me 09:51 hipster bike 09:53 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 09:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (molybdenum.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 09:55 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 09:55 FIQ: the one you quoted about max hp and 10*XL 09:55 oh that one 09:55 qt: wdym u-shaped 09:55 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Phol_ende_wodan/FavorProposal 09:55 this page 09:55 like the one in the link 09:56 FIQ: oh that 09:56 you can't just quote years-old documents at me and expect me to remember them 09:56 I had no idea how old this document twas 09:56 I don't remember seeing it before at least 09:57 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) had a magical dog eared spellbook given to her by Anhur, on T:43246 09:57 qt: those are drop bars, on initial look they don't look that comfy though 09:58 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Mars, on T:50768 09:58 I have drop bars but effectively never use the drop parts unless I'm going fast in an area where I know I won't have to stop, like downhill in central park 09:58 alright I *finally* got the work-related call that I was waiting for since several days now! that was the main reason why I didn't just go to sleep a few hours ago :) 09:58 on the bike you linked, you effectively have to put your hands in one specific place in order to break, I wouldn't be comfortable riding like that 09:59 *brake 10:00 are those brakes placed differently from how they are on a normal drop bar? 10:00 they all look kind of similarly placed to me https://newyork.craigslist.org/d/bicycles-by-owner/search/brk/bik?postal=11233&search_distance=5 10:01 Oh good, shop in Soko, that won't potentially fuck me I'm sure 10:01 speaking of what penalties do cheating in Soko carry 10:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3113 10:02 -1 luck, like in vanilla; if playing in evilvariant mode, there'd also be +1 divine anger 10:02 the shopkeeper is a much bigger threat; if you anger him, you're pretty much screwed 10:02 I mean that's a given 10:03 also be aware that the door is probably locked; if you destroy it, he gets angry 10:03 I unlock it more often than not in vanilla so 10:03 yeah just in case you're playing NetSysFire's "destroy all doors conduct" or something :P 10:04 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:43895 10:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3403 10:05 * NetSysFire ctrl+d 10:05 oh lol that even works in numpad mode :P but of course it's much easier to press k to kick 10:06 yay bigscript trap finally timed out 10:06 sadly the connection troubles have not, so I guess I'll eat something IRL and then resume 10:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5952 10:08 you use numpad? you heathen! 10:09 rofl 10:09 you use hjklyubn where one particular directional key (the y one) is very far away from the rest? unplayable! 10:14 I should change y for yes to something else 10:14 as y is a movement key easy to press y to something when moving in that direction 10:14 YANI: carnitarian conduct, is broken whenever your char eats something that does *not* contain meat. save the plants! they also have feelings and don't want to be killed just because those gluttonous humans have to eat and eat all the time! :P 10:15 ghoul conduct: eat only corpses 10:15 lol Umbire you got two levels in a row with non-premapped soko traps? good for your searching skill :D 10:16 obtw you can disarm rust traps, just make sure you take off rustprone items first 10:20 no need to drop all the rustprone stuff, just take off rustprone weapons and armor ;) 10:20 That was what I did 10:20 I just don't like rusted wands/tools 10:20 which was like, two things 10:21 well it only hits stuff that's equipped, weapons that you don't currently have equipped are safe (unlike falling in the water, which rusts everything in your inventory) 10:21 my guess is that sokoban sucks as a gremlin because everything is lit 10:21 your "guess" 10:24 -!- Sgeo has joined #hardfought 10:26 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:1759 10:34 splicehack ghouls can only eat rotten corpses iirc, I tried a ghoul monk and had to go foodless 10:35 slex ghasts (which is a way cooler name :P ) too, except they also gain more nutrition so they're actually playable! 10:35 but yeah if you play a ghast monk in slex, better get used to breaking the conduct or hoping that you can always pray 10:37 I mean that's generally how foodless is done outside of a liquid diet 10:37 (which, obvs not possible with ghasts unless you can puree zombie) 10:38 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed sluggoman's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2455 10:42 First thing I run into is a level drain wand, great. 10:43 that does not look very good 10:44 oh it's a wand shop, well the monsters will have scooped up plenty of wands by now 10:45 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 10:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:935 10:51 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:47680 10:51 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47681 10:54 I like that it's dark also so I can't see shit 10:55 @le?large humanoid 10:55 large humanoid (H) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 2 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 8 | Attacks: 1d3 touch physical | Alignment: 2 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 10:55 was wondering if giant-classed or no 10:55 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 10:57 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest5250 10:57 -!- Guest5250 has quit [Killed (silver.libera.chat (Nickname regained by services))] 10:57 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 10:59 lag has lessened a bit, wondering if it's good enough for me to play now 11:00 also gotta go in about half an hour 11:00 my guess is that my landlady is streaming something or otherwise hogging the connection 11:02 -!- post163 has quit [Quit: Client closed] 11:06 -!- sleepless has joined #hardfought 11:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:12 qt: on my bike the handles have upward pointing knobs at the outer corners that are hand grips, that's what I mainly use 11:12 and I can brake from those 11:12 or from the drop bars 11:13 or sometimes I grab the inner parts of the bars and then I can't brake at all but it's a nice change 11:13 sort of like this one https://images.craigslist.org/00C0C_d1bQbYsPIoz_0CI0t2_1200x900.jpg 11:14 heh, knobs 11:15 one reason drop bars are nice in the city versus straight bars is it's easier to sneak between stopped traffic at a red light and parked cars 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:57350 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:57353 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 380775 points, T:57664, killed by Orcus, while paralyzed by Yeenoghu 11:19 <@Shadow_Rider> thanks bud 11:20 Wew 11:20 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3250 11:22 @spl?corpseworm 11:22 there's no splicehack monster reporting unfortunately attie 11:22 aw 11:23 hi attie 11:23 can/should I eat tinned corpseworms 11:23 they're poisonous iirc 11:23 the name says no 11:23 Can also / to lookup 11:23 I think? 11:24 not while in the "It smells like corpseworms." prompt I think 11:25 I think they're poisonous 11:25 doesn't look like they give poison resist 11:25 yeah but if it's tinned it won't matter 11:25 tinning normally neutralizes poisonous corpses, but who knows what changes variant devs make nowadays... :P 11:25 well I'm hungry, if they're not worse than poisonous I might as well 11:25 * Umbire newspapers LarienTelrunya 11:26 oh true didn't think to check other things 11:26 hey! just look at 3.70, they make changes I'd never have thought possible for any sane developers to make! 11:26 there's also fun things like withering I read 11:26 not taking that bait 11:26 tinning acidic/poisonous corpses removes the hurty bits 11:27 don't ask me how the char knows to do that 11:27 3.70 ftw 11:27 tinning corpses made of petrifyium unfortunately means the contents of the tin are still made of petrifyium :P 11:27 3.70 ftw indeed 11:27 11:27 oops 11:28 yeah, footrice anything will rock you but good 11:28 dangit screen! 11:28 lol I should really continue my "3.6-and-beyond patch notes with amy comments" document with the stuff that came past 3.61 11:28 nah 11:28 attie: folklorically speaking they were so toxic even someone killing them with a spear from horseback would have the poison run up the shit and kill them both 11:29 then whenever someone asks "what specifically do you dislike about 3.6/3.7 amy" I can point them to that document, where about 95% of all changes have mocking comments :P 11:29 yes please do that 11:29 petroleum tins 11:30 <@Shadow_Rider> does anyone know if reading an unidentified spellbook gives score? 11:31 <@Shadow_Rider> i guess it doesnt 11:31 anyway, sadly the time for me to continue that document isn't now, as I have to leave for that annoying tour. byebye! 11:31 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:51338 11:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Sam Hum Fem Law) was given Jinja Naginata, on T:4281 11:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4056 11:45 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 11:46 aosdict: thanks for clarifying about the bike stuff 11:46 really, that's very helpful 11:46 text BIKE for more bike tips or STOP to stop 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2114 11:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:54 [hdf-us] [evil] elron (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 406840 points, T:50604, burned by a fireball, while praying 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3235 11:55 [hdf-eu] [spl] attie (Val Ang Nbn Law) destroyed toon's ghost, the former Rambler, on T:3838 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3252 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a silver saber on an altar, on T:3256 11:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3983 12:05 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2339 points, T:2864, killed by a water troll 12:07 actually an elder minotaur/ettin/black dragon/water troll in sokoban 12:07 fucking grunt chameleons. i killed it twice 12:07 yikes 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5867 12:13 -!- marblesurf has joined #hardfought 12:14 -!- ssnufd has joined #hardfought 12:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mad Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1286 12:19 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a rabid rat, on T:9356 12:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2122 points, T:250, killed by Ms. Siirt, the shopkeeper 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6293 12:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1962 points, T:152, killed by Ms. Manlobbi, the shopkeeper 12:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:7587 12:27 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2389 points, T:3443, killed by a dwarvish lord 12:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2847 points, T:294, killed by a parrot 12:28 at +3 and onwards, ring of protection gives MC3? 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] ptomato (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14867 12:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:818 12:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:12359 12:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 6689 points, T:1007, killed by a malkuth sephirah, while fumbling 12:33 -!- marblesurf has quit [Quit: cya] 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:9110 12:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2252 points, T:730, killed by a kitten 12:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:13477 12:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2310 12:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3826 points, T:803, killed by Mr. Akhalataki, the shopkeeper, while praying 12:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1554 points, T:2434, killed by a watch captain 12:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:14343 12:46 <@Dewzmint> damn i didn't know the watch captain is getting hostile when i dry up a fountain in minetown 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided shocking spheres, on T:20947 12:47 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:51 [hdf-eu] [spl] attie (Val Ang Nbn Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4327 12:52 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 12:53 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 12:53 -!- Glasshopper has joined #hardfought 12:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10908 points, T:10942, killed by a watch captain 12:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Pri Inc Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1209 12:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 718 points, T:1862, killed by a dwarf 13:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 218 points, T:1006, killed by a gnome lord 13:04 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Luxidream (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 11945 points, T:4157, quit 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:21355 13:07 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 13:07 -!- Grassy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:07 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 273 points, T:2609, killed by an electric shock 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:21657 13:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1366 13:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1357 points, T:1498, killed by a bolt of lightning 13:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) was given Nodensfork, on T:17888 13:27 hell yeah 13:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:17900 13:29 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:8941 13:31 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Dwa Fem Neu), 6957 points, T:9018, killed by a giant mimic, while sleeping 13:32 ssnufd, regarding rings of protection: I believe a ring of protection increases MC by only one point. I do not believe its enchantment matters. 13:33 I could very well be wrong though. 13:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Pri Inc Fem Neu) was given Atlantean Royal Sword, on T:3635 13:33 tinklebear, thats interesting well me THINKING it gives me mc3 is the important part 13:33 hehe 13:33 lol. I know the feeling! 13:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:18816 13:34 oh if i find some enlightment i will report back for sure 13:34 cool 13:34 <@Dewzmint> wiki says: A ring of protection also increases your magic cancellation by 1, to a maximum of 3 13:34 <@Dewzmint> so i thought +3 gives mc3 13:34 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 13:35 Dewzmint: I believe you are interpreting that very ambiguous statement to mean what you *want* it to mean 13:35 <@Dewzmint> yeah i think so too 13:35 <@Dewzmint> its just 1 to a max mc of 3 13:35 -!- Glasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:13439 13:37 * tinklebear saw that on the wiki, too, and had to do a triple take. 13:37 Graznop: are the curses perminvent things in your xnh specific to xnethack? Or do they happen in vanilla too? 13:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:13531 13:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3468 13:38 [Al Jourgensen voice] "Never trust a wiki" 13:38 qt: not 100% sure, but never noticed in vanilla 13:38 nodensfork is epic for cthulhu watch and slotless extrinsic shock 13:39 qt: in a vanilla shop at the moment, hang on... 13:39 woooooo pdrag tower on an orc barb!!! 13:39 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 79341 points, T:13686, quit 13:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3802 13:40 qt: unpaid status ok in 3.6.6, carrying cap not in vanilla 13:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3917 13:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:5144 13:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Saxtheowl (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:5265 13:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Pri Inc Fem Neu), 54627 points, T:4283, killed by a boiling potion 13:52 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a bat, on T:12223, rt[3:01:40] 13:53 Graznop: to reproduce the unpaid status thing: 1. pick up multiple items in a shop, 2. press 'p' and select 'itemized billing', 3. agree to buy one of the items 13:54 at that point all of the unpaid items are changed to remove the '(unpaid)' string at the end 13:54 right? 13:54 oh I see you just updated the issue to clarify that lol 13:54 qt: yes, correct. I've just confirmed this is in vanilla too 13:54 yeah I could do it in vanilla as well 13:55 Should I raise a bug for vanilla? 13:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:57 just to confirm, 1 mc from ring of prot no matter the enchantment level :). ring of prot + cloak of displacement stacks though for mc2, so with a robe or something you'd have mc3 13:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law) destroyed Dewzmint's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1424 14:00 I'll submit a vanilla PR to fix it Graznop 14:01 Ok, thanks qt 14:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1086 points, T:1563, killed by a bolt of cold 14:02 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law), 17246 points, T:12667, killed by an ettin mummy 14:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 14:05 !tell K2 pushed some updates to FIQHack: zombificiation prevent HP regen, oilskin on armor now gives waterproof, added 3 new container object properties 14:05 No worries, FIQ, I've got this! 14:07 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 14:09 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2033 14:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 841 points, T:1614, killed by a soldier ant 14:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4429 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ride (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3642 points, T:7391, killed by a plains centaur 14:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu), 11053 points, T:3122, killed by a giant mimic 14:29 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:11734 14:29 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3648 points, T:3187, [0:09:35], killed by a water moccasin, while praying 14:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3057 14:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3062 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:23604 14:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1817 points, T:3064, killed by a guardian naga hatchling 14:30 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:97650 14:31 Graznop: https://0x0.st/-f82.mp4 14:31 \o/ 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:53016 14:32 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1389, rt[0:02:41] 14:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Oona, on T:19373 14:33 qt: That was a quick fix! 14:33 \o/ 14:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1213 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 oilskin cloth elven helm", on T:53102 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased +3 dragonhide t-shirt of warning", on T:53108 14:39 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:3217, rt[0:09:11] 14:39 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3358, rt[0:09:26] 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:2173 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:2174 14:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law) destroyed Dewzmint's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1517 14:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1792 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2215 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased amulet of reflection", on T:2226 14:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:53419 14:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:53420 14:45 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:53421 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] kuo (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1216 points, T:2642, poisoned by a water moccasin 14:47 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5750, rt[0:16:58] 14:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) was given Mjollnir, on T:3600 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24057 14:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 2195 points, T:2372, killed by a gold golem 14:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by a gnome), on T:1052 14:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1152 points, T:1860, killed by a crossbow bolt 15:04 what up folks 15:04 !8ball play vidya? 15:04 ButtRs: Signs point to yes 15:04 ;o 15:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 374 points, T:1216, killed by a kitten 15:05 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:11287, rt[0:35:09] 15:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6135 15:09 magicbane randomly gone.. i have no idea what happened to it? ive cast detect object on about 20 floors... i find it really unlikely something ate it because it just happened. any ideas? 15:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1402 points, T:1938, rt[0:40:16], wc[26 days, 21:12:10], quit 15:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 15:10 it was in your inventory and then disappeared? 15:10 could a nymph have taken it? 15:11 no interactions with nymphs or anything, yes to your q 15:11 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 31271 points, T:14996, killed by a panther 15:11 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:12118, rt[0:41:53] 15:12 is there a log i could look at to see? 15:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:931, rt[0:03:50] 15:13 you could watch your ttyrec 15:13 super feels bad to just have it randomly gone and hve no idea y 15:13 if you're playing on a public server 15:13 !whereis ssnufd 15:13 qt: [hdf-us] ssnufd [nh370]: (Xxx Xxx Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: -1 15:13 !tell LarienTelrunya the start scumm king/queen/monarch of junethack 2021 is tinklebeer, tinkleblessed, tinkelblast, and tinklebreakfast. 15:13 Will do, bhaak! 15:13 Xxx Xxx Mal Neu? level -1? 15:14 lmao 17 wiz 15:14 on hardfought 3.7 15:14 level -1 sounds like plane of earth, but ... 15:14 on d13 15:14 i won dnh in june 15:14 had most ascs of it 15:14 K2: seems like kind of a weird issue up there with Beholder 15:15 ssnufd: did it disappear since you last saved and reloaded? 15:15 or was it already gone when you resumed playing this time? 15:15 no it jsut happened 15:16 turn count wise it shouldnt be far behind me .. i killed medusa w/it on 24k 15:16 on 24890 now 15:16 i went down every level doing detect object 15:16 there's a 3.6.6 start scummer called dedal with 65643 games that were not in the tournament 15:16 then i do / and O to see all the objects on the map. am i doing it wrong 15:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] yoyodyne (Ana Dro Fem Cha), 120 points, T:247, killed by a guard 15:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 holy charging", on T:2666, rt[0:08:29] 15:18 ssnufd: a horned devil with a bullwhip took it 15:18 it's in your ttyrec 15:18 thank you so much qt 15:18 seriously 15:18 first time ever im on a win streak i woulda died if i couldnt find it 15:19 ill have to figure out how to watch those like that in case that ever happens again ... ive been known to be spacey 15:19 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:13761, rt[0:49:20] 15:19 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:13775, rt[0:49:30] 15:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed genocide", on T:2666, rt[0:10:21] 15:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy greased fixed bag of holding", on T:2667, rt[0:10:37] 15:20 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:14152, rt[0:50:18] 15:21 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "marker", on T:14333, rt[0:51:24] 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh343] Bartlem (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:16180 15:21 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2972, rt[0:12:26] 15:21 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:14335, rt[0:51:45] 15:22 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:14360, rt[0:52:18] 15:22 it happened right before you used a potion of object detection in the votd 15:22 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:14431, rt[0:52:50] 15:23 near this location:https://0x0.st/-f8I.png 15:23 ssnufd ^ 15:24 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 holy charging", on T:14875, rt[0:54:44] 15:25 btw there's a program called 'ttyplay' to play back the ttyrecs, but I just ran 'strings 2021-07-01.18:01:26.ttyrec | rg Magicbane | tail -1' to see when it was mentioned last 15:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4052, rt[0:16:15] 15:26 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:15176, rt[0:56:44] 15:26 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:15179, rt[0:56:48] 15:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:30914 15:27 finally found it. thanks for doing that and telling me how qt super great 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh343] Bartlem (Ran Hum Mal Neu) had a long sword named Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:16449 15:29 tfw you're trying to playcasual game and find wow 15:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 2613 points, T:2962, killed by a rope golem 15:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:5203, rt[0:20:33] 15:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] yoyodyne (Ana And Fem Neu), 7695 points, T:1448, killed by a wraithworm 15:30 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:15837, rt[1:00:35] 15:30 ButtRs: were your start scumming attempts successfull? 15:31 bhaak: somewhat 15:31 not for what i wanted tho 15:31 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:15861, rt[1:01:25] 15:31 i had one run where i beat castle and vlad before t2k 15:31 but died to Orcust 15:32 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5700 points, T:5612, [0:22:54], killed by a water moccasin 15:32 ... oops 15:32 oh well 15:32 bye wow 15:32 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 15:32 hmm 15:32 K2: Message from FIQ at 2021-07-01 14:05 EDT: pushed some updates to FIQHack: zombificiation prevent HP regen, oilskin on armor now gives waterproof, added 3 new container object properties 15:32 FIQ ok 15:33 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:16369, rt[1:03:50] 15:34 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "7 candles", on T:16874, rt[1:04:42] 15:34 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5919 15:35 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:16896, rt[1:05:17] 15:35 <@nabru> !pom 15:35 @nabru: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 8 days. 15:35 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:16925, rt[1:05:31] 15:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dewzmint (Pri Hum Mal Law), 419 points, T:1277, killed by a kitten 15:36 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:16999, rt[1:06:01] 15:36 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:17003, rt[1:06:04] 15:36 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 14388 points, T:6004, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion 15:37 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helmofoppositealignment", on T:17158, rt[1:07:15] 15:37 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:17161, rt[1:07:20] 15:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3767 15:42 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:18339, rt[1:12:42] 15:44 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:18662, rt[1:14:03] 15:44 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) wished for "2 cursed gain level", on T:18702, rt[1:14:26] 15:45 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:18955, rt[1:15:53] 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful black pudding, on T:25479 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 91 points, T:322, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 15:49 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:20087, rt[1:19:17] 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by the wrath of Moloch), on T:25562 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:25664 15:52 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:20456, rt[1:22:09] 15:52 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:20472, rt[1:22:23] 15:52 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) averted death (killed by Death), on T:20479, rt[1:22:33] 15:53 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a priestess of Tyr), on T:20508, rt[1:23:23] 15:53 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:20529, rt[1:23:37] 15:54 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Mal Law), 1028318 points, T:20570, [1:24:03], ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/setseed/dumplog/1625164202.seed.html 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 380 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:25862 15:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:25997 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed amulet of life saving", on T:26040 16:02 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pri Inf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3125 16:02 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pri Inf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3125 16:04 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pri Inf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:3431 16:05 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pri Inf Fem Cha), 3995 points, T:3529, killed by an owlbear 16:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5581 16:10 [hdf-us] [ndnh] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 396 points, T:266, killed by a kobold 16:15 Artifact specs: +4 to-hit and +4 damage. In dnethack this weapon would somehow improve your shuriken, which makes no sense. 16:18 -!- Hekik has joined #hardfought 16:20 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:21 how come you get good artifacts 16:22 uhhh 16:22 ha 16:22 x 16:23 the ones I get range from "would be epic if they didn't make the game suck so much" to "tin opener that works like a luckstone while wielded" 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:26885 16:32 !rumor slex true 16:32 They say that gremlins can make you feel cooler than you are now. 16:32 [hdf-eu] [xnh] FIQ (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "emerald potion", on T:3 16:33 "Something is engraved here on the headstone. You read: "FIQ, killed by a clockwork bug."." 16:33 uh livelog should probably mention that it was in explore mode 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 150 points, T:2590, killed by a crossbow bolt 16:34 like NH4 does 16:34 oh well 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Hea Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5357 16:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:32295 16:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32298 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5972 16:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:6123 16:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:8569 16:47 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 16:50 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1765 points, T:2262, killed by a soldier ant 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Ran Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1918 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3440 17:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an iguana, on T:7763 17:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] Bartlem (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 200881 points, T:18334, killed by a bolt of fire 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh343] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2338 points, T:3288, killed by a rock piercer, while sleeping 17:07 -!- spleen has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4189 17:09 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 866 points, T:1590, killed by an orc zombie 17:11 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 24275 points, T:9934, killed by a kobold lord, while scared 17:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided genetic engineers, on T:27318 17:12 NetSysFire: there used to be a bug where foocubi encounters with clockworks could instakill because of buggy prompts 17:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4405 17:12 in slex? nah thats not a bug thats a feature 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Crom, on T:4424 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Sorceress, on T:27439 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:27547 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:27550 17:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:25 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 929 points, T:653, killed by a steel arrow 17:26 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 17:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:9295 17:35 [hdf-eu] [spl] attie (Val Ang Nbn Law), 6749 points, T:6046, killed by a death ray 17:37 NetSysFire: no, in dnh 17:39 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3762 17:41 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 17:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased + 2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:9854 17:43 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 17:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the Platinum Dragon, on T:28111 17:45 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 fixed dragonhide hiking boots", on T:28137 17:47 wtf not dragonhide 17:47 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:47 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 17:47 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) averted death, on T:7395 17:48 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 7358 points, T:7414, killed by a yeti 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:28643 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:28652 17:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6707 17:56 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:28806 17:59 Demo: dnh allows wishing for dragonhide now? 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:28914 18:00 <@riker> always has 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:28918 18:00 <@riker> well, since obj mats 18:01 dragonhide isn't stupid op like grunt 18:01 oh? 18:01 it's only a little OP? :) 18:01 I had a wish I didn't know how to use 18:01 but what does it do exactly? 18:01 could have gone marker but said fuck it dhide hiking boots 18:01 better base ac and dr 18:02 also every time I play dnh, I despair for hiking being fumble 18:02 but not by a shit load 18:02 I have very fast and flying so I am using hiking eleven 18:02 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 18:02 wasn't hiking one of those things you *had* to have 18:02 to prevent stupid shit with geyser 18:03 no 18:03 [hdf-eu] [spl] attie (Val Ang Nbn Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2542 18:03 hm 18:03 hiking is just carry cap +100 18:03 I guess I am misremembering then 18:03 I know I wanted hiking but I guess I forgot why then 18:03 does modern dnh have the slash'em boh 18:04 cause dnh punishes you with more loot than you can handle with vanilla caps 18:04 it does 18:04 I guess it makes up for the fact that you don't get tie-dye for free anymore 18:04 well "free", after a wish 18:04 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 18:04 there was nothing free about tie dye before 18:04 but it was just a wish away 18:05 and I wished for it every game :) 18:05 now there's a 25% carry cap insight glyph you can get at the start of the late game 18:05 insight glyph? 18:05 which is usually worth holding out for 18:05 no idea how accurate this is https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Insight 18:06 oh so it's insanityt 18:06 *insanity 18:07 [hdf-eu] [spl] attie (Val Ang Nbn Law) destroyed shadowcat's ghost, the former Adept, on T:2656 18:08 no 18:08 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sanity no idea how accurate any of this is either 18:08 the intrinsic eleemntal resistances sound pointless 18:09 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 18:10 I think they count as extrinsic 18:10 but yes, partial resistances aren't implemented yet 18:12 hmm 18:12 -!- fakepass has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:12 why is the best kuker effect the 2nd cheapest one 18:12 the best kuker effect is the one that costs 70000 18:13 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 18:13 also by the time you run into a kuker you probably already maxed your luck or damn near close and it is likely just topping you up 18:13 but doesn't dnh luck time out 18:13 irregardless of carried luckstones 18:14 yeah but you can slow it down pretty well with a luckstone 18:14 I thought it didn't slow all that much 18:14 but idk 18:14 btw what does the fertility thing mean 18:15 I'm not sure if I *want* the player to be fertile 18:15 i dont know 18:15 it seems rather inconvenient to go around the dungeon pregnant 18:16 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 438 points, T:7081, killed by an acidic glob 18:16 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:19 <@riker> its really really poorly named 18:19 <@riker> sterility makes you autofail sedu checks for some godforsaken reason 18:19 <@riker> idk i feel like it should be the OPPOSITE but w/e 18:20 maybe it's better thought of as hypersexuality <------> asexuality 18:20 it should have no impact whatsoever 18:20 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2473, rt[0:15:53] 18:20 why not call it impotent? 18:20 if that's what it's actually supposed to do 18:20 fwiw I'm pretty sure I *want* seduction attacks to fail in dnh 18:20 at least once I've done the foocubi dancing I want 18:21 oh nvm I misunderstood 18:21 that makes even less sense 18:21 just make "sterility" set your cha to 3 or something? 18:22 <@riker> yeah see it makes no sense fiq lmao 18:22 ok whatever I don't know the solution here 18:22 but the current wording is utterly nonsensical 18:22 <@riker> it's straight up an awful effect to have too, but i'ts also only gained from one attack from one mon that has a 1/8 chance to spawn on oona tower top 18:23 I'd imagine that being hit by lawful attacks would rather induce something like forced celibacy or something 18:23 rather than the reverse 18:23 <@riker> i'ts a tulani actually, so chaotic 18:23 <@riker> it's the autumn form of a gae eladrin 18:23 ah 18:24 <@riker> they're based on some pathfinder thing with a totally diff name 18:24 pathfinder 18:24 where have I heard that name before 18:24 I feel like I ought to remember what it is 18:24 oh right 18:25 d&d derivative 18:25 d&d variant :) 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful giant beetle, on T:28939 18:26 @riker what are chaotics doing in the lawful quest anyway? 18:26 didn't realize tulani were chaotic lol 18:26 I remember using them as pets 18:26 a lot 18:26 for a time 18:27 tulani and mina harker was my typical goto pets in dnh when I played it actively 18:27 the latter was weaker but way more fun 18:28 being able to ranged steal items 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 466 points, T:1264, killed by a rock gnome, while sleeping 18:29 <@riker> theres lore reasons I dont pay attn to 18:29 <@riker> something about the adventure that the rod of 7 parts is from 18:30 ah 18:30 I don't think so 18:30 <@riker> it's a epic law vs chaos battle 18:30 I think its different lore? 18:30 <@riker> I think creative liberty was taken for them being on oona level in particular but 18:30 I tried to do some research on that lore and I never saw anything about eladrin 18:30 <@princessSpicycat> "we need this item very important to us, wall of text, oh nevermind you can have it bye now" lore reasons? 18:30 speaking of lore I always found the chaotic zoo funny 18:30 as in literal zoo, not David's treasure zoo 18:30 <@riker> but gae eladrin are totally unrelated to all of this chris just liked them 18:31 <@riker> lol yeah the dungeon of ill regard 18:31 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:34 fiq you should see some of the new chaos quests 18:34 I should probably make fiqhack smart enough to auto-id here: https://home.fiq.se/idcheck.png 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] desertgreg (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4368 18:35 <@luxidream> FIQ what are the chances for greed to deny you items 18:35 50% 18:36 I considered making attempting to open one an occupation 18:36 to reduce tedium 18:36 so if you fail, it will just retry 18:36 at least if the property is identified 18:36 <@luxidream> Really whether something is an occupation or not should be up to the player 18:36 but I wasn't sure if that was a good idea 18:36 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:4283, rt[0:31:36] 18:36 I think ^A should suffice 18:37 speaking of ^A, I should look into what gnollhack does for ^A 18:37 <@luxidream> but it seems annoying 18:37 <@luxidream> The only way to remove it would be wonder gambling? 18:37 because it actually works well unlike the rest of the NH3 collection 18:37 just dip cursed wonder 18:38 it will reliably target greed if that's the only property 18:38 oh yeah I should probably not allow the sokobag to generate with greed 18:38 that would suck 18:39 oh 18:39 so that's how gnh does it 18:39 well that's just stupid 18:39 I guess it... works 18:39 but that's really not how you should do that lol 18:40 (it declares global variables that preserve the arguments last used) 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Hea Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Dresser, on T:9906 18:43 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 18:44 if you ever wanna feel bad, look at how ndnh handles sokoban trophy conversion on pickup 18:44 -!- elenmirie has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:44 or flamethrower, or AD_YANK 18:48 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:50 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6449, rt[0:45:05] 18:50 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Mon Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "test", on T:3123 18:51 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:57 ok I have a plan for how to make ^A better in NH3 18:57 it might be a stupid plan 18:57 but I'm going to try to implement it now 19:00 hmm reading 4c7734ebbd22b09139490c6af2b55178b7bb036c 19:00 whats ^ A ? 19:00 at this point I wonder why they aren't just making it a delayed instadeath 19:00 for monsters too 19:00 seems like less effort at this point 19:00 Demo: commandrepeat 19:00 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8219, rt[0:55:29] 19:01 whoa 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:30145 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:30145 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:30259 19:08 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:30297 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:30307 19:13 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:30366 19:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1642292 points, T:30380, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/ssnufd/nethack/dumplog/1625067763.nh.html 19:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 fixed greased dragonhide cloak of protection", on T:30316 19:18 epic 19:23 thanks again qt 19:24 awesome, congrats 19:24 no problem btw 19:24 !streak 19:24 ssnufd: [hdf-us] ssnufd Max[nh370]: 3 (2021-06-27 - 2021-07-01)(current). 19:25 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 19:28 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 19:30 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:43 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 19:48 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:51 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2041 19:54 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:59 so I killed Rodney (NAO) and now I see " a) the blessed Amulet of Yendor " 19:59 is this just a ruse? I have not killed the high priest yet. 20:00 <@luxidream> try identifying it 20:00 I can't. No identify spell and no scrolls. I was able to put it in my BoH. so fake. 20:01 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 20:01 <@luxidream> I mean if it were that easy, why would anyone go to sanctum? 20:01 I had just never seen that before. 20:06 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:06 FIQhack updated (all servers) 20:07 try putting it inside a bag, cryogreg 20:07 if you can, it's a fake 20:09 ^ smart 20:26 !time 20:26 nabru: Thu Jul 1 20:26:41 2021 EDT 20:27 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 20:32 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:35 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Gia Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1000 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2493 20:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 2150 points, T:903, killed by a water moccasin 20:41 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 fixed greased helping hand", on T:32352 20:41 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 20:44 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 20:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] dragonspeaker (Arc Hum Fem Law), 132 points, T:140, killed by contaminated water 20:49 [hdf-us] [spl] nabru (Val Mer Fem Law), 303 points, T:1487, killed by a wererat, while praying 20:50 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:55934 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:8718 21:01 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 21:04 !who 21:04 K2: [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-us] haldisse [nh370] Demo [dnh] krm26 [evil] | [hdf-au] asdf [nh4] 21:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:56366 21:06 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:13 what are ya updating? 21:14 -!- sleepless|2 has joined #hardfought 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4720 21:17 -!- sleepless has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:19 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 21:24 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 7240 points, T:5206, killed by a water demon 21:37 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 21:38 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:42 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a water elemental, on T:3787 21:42 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:43 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4924 points, T:3943, killed by a flesh golem 21:43 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 21:44 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 21:47 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:48 -!- entuland has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:53 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 21:57 -!- cathartes has joined #hardfought 21:58 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:01 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 1589 points, T:3155, killed by a wand 22:01 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 22:06 amy, amulet of hunger isnt specific to slex right? wouldnt it make sense to make the description when you drop it into a toilet to identify it "Flushing seems to require much more water than usual"? instead of pline_The("toilet flushes very quickly!"); 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:4777 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4779 22:11 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 22:16 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 22:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Mephistopheles, on T:37317 22:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ride (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4108 22:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ride (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:4570 22:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ride (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4697 22:28 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 22:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ride (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5547 22:33 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 22:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:7764 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:7825 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3365 22:36 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:36 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 22:36 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:38 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 163 points, T:864, killed by an arrow 22:41 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ride (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7901 22:43 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Ele Chu Mal Law), 4280 points, T:2597, killed by a monster (watchman) 22:45 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 22:48 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 3628 points, T:4190, killed by a soldier ant 22:48 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 22:50 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:50 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:51 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1392 points, T:3111, killed by a gray unicorn 22:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 0 points, T:19, killed by a crossbow bolt 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (two random monsters from class R), on T:57007 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Law), 6773 points, T:8808, killed by a leocrotta 23:00 -!- Grassy has joined #hardfought 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Rog Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2353 23:02 -!- Grasshopper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:02 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 23:04 -!- Hekik has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:07 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:10 -!- Grasshopper has joined #hardfought 23:10 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Write error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 23:11 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 23:11 -!- gpotvin has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:11 -!- NetSysFire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:11 -!- NetSysFire has joined #hardfought 23:12 !tell NetSysFire nah, the descripton is fine the way it is, also in slex we don't simply change established stuff just because some player wants it. :P I'm not aware of any other variant that has an amulet of hunger 23:12 LarienTelrunya: Message from bhaak at 2021-07-01 15:13 EDT: the start scumm king/queen/monarch of junethack 2021 is tinklebeer, tinkleblessed, tinkelblast, and tinklebreakfast. 23:12 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 23:12 -!- lacca[m] has joined #hardfought 23:12 bhaak: ahh I always knew there was something fishy if they required so many accounts for one player! :P 23:12 -!- gpotvin has joined #hardfought 23:12 tinklebear: what's with all those startscumming accounts? 23:13 -!- Grassy has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:13 you know as much as I do, LarienTelrunya 23:13 probably more, actually! 23:13 ?! but the account names are clearly variations of your nick! 23:14 <@Shadow_Rider> 👀 23:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 725 points, T:2828, killed by a wererat 23:14 it is quite flattering! 23:14 tinklebeer 46 Games Played | 85585 Games Start Scummed 23:15 oooooh I see 23:15 the original hypothesis was right after all and the girl who was called the startscumming queen, *is* the startscumming queen! 23:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Rog Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Dewzmint's ghost, the former Adept, on T:4296 23:16 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:16 ButtRs: lol 85585 games start scummed. were you trying to set some record? :P 23:17 also why were you trying to masquerade as another player from your clan? 23:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Rog Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:4373 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 168 points, T:925, killed by a magic missile 23:19 anyway I now have six trains back to back to do interviews on and it's gonna take up a lo of time, so it'll be until the evening when I come back 23:19 *lot 23:21 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:21 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Psy Sed Mal Cha), 12869 points, T:577, killed by a monster (hc preschooler), while vomiting 23:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Gno Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:57770 23:22 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 23:22 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1280, rt[0:02:39] 23:26 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2605, rt[0:06:53] 23:27 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Hob Fem Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1607 23:29 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 23:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Sightseer, on T:10424 23:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6553 23:33 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Quit: node-irc says goodbye] 23:34 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:34 -!- gpotvin has quit [Quit: node-irc says goodbye] 23:36 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 2332 points, T:2194, killed by a mountain dwarf 23:40 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Tou Gno Fem Neu), 274 points, T:685, zombified by a diseased gnome corpse, while helpless 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10651 23:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 24 points, T:64, killed by the wrath of Mars 23:43 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 32835 points, T:8675, [0:23:51], killed by an energy vortex 23:45 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 23:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 23:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:10761 23:46 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 246 points, T:513, killed by a magic missile, while sleeping 23:48 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1895, rt[0:03:28] 23:49 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2346, rt[0:04:32] 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Pebble (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4468 points, T:10923, killed by an elf-queen 23:50 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 23:50 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3168, rt[0:06:04] 23:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VeryWiseFrog (Mon Gia Fem Cha), 807 points, T:2741, zombified by an orc zombie