00:02 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pony, on T:15160 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12203 00:09 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] XYS (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:2346 00:14 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Gia Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +5 mithril large splint mail of drain resistance", on T:43449 00:14 too bad wish denied 00:14 I'm the wish guardian now btw 00:14 I get to veto or sign wishes 00:15 <@riker> if 2/3 of the irc channel vote to overturn can k2 still get his splint mail 00:15 no because I veto that wish of yours 00:17 B - a blessed +5 mithril large splint mail of drain resistance (being worn) 00:18 I veto me not actually having any real powers 00:18 which means I now have real powers and am the wish guardian 00:23 K2: did you see my advanced credit management in grunt 00:24 hm 00:24 no 00:24 I'm fairly sure I stumbled upon this exact trap door the first time around in the mines too 00:24 K2: https://home.fiq.se/advanced_credit_management.png 00:26 ok... 00:26 K2: it's clearly a bug 00:26 no idea what caused it lol 00:26 I have 3 stacks now 00:26 submit a PR :) 00:27 I have no idea what causes it lol 00:27 I don't know grunt code 00:27 me neither 00:29 grunthack code can be... confusing at times 00:30 hmm gnollhack has still not quite mastered typical version control good practices yet it seems 00:30 it's not nearly as bad as it was in the past 00:30 hah 00:30 but their commit messages tends to be really vague 00:30 you sure? 00:31 K2: in the past they constantly committed build files to the repo 00:31 about the 'not nearly as bad' bit 00:31 making every commit a huge PITA to check out 00:31 they don't do that anymore 00:31 we gave their devteam some best practices info 00:31 which they ignored 00:32 the largest issue I see of the commits now is their habit of labeling all bug fixes as "Fixes" 00:32 which... well yeah, they are 00:32 that is tip of the iceburg 00:32 but that doesn't say anything :P 00:32 berg 00:32 borg 00:32 K2: what other issues were there? I wasn't really around much during that debacle 00:32 resistance is futile 00:32 but I do know that in the past, they had a habit of committing build files 00:32 a lot 00:32 made it a pain to look at their git repo 00:32 it was very buggy, not stable enough to host imo 00:33 that plus their dev style 00:33 I see 00:33 well I was able to play on their server without much issue 00:33 sure, there was a crash bug, but they handled it reasonably well 00:33 not any worse than any other variant 00:33 AND based off of 3.6.2 even after we pointed out the security updates leading up to 3.6.6 00:33 I asked them about it, they pulled in those security fixes 00:34 i hosted it for 2 days, dropped it. that was at the beginning 00:34 (of gnollhack) 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:13915 00:34 (as in, they had already done it, not "oh ok we will do that") 00:34 can you show me the commits? I couldnt tell :) 00:34 well I didn't ask for exact commits, but let me check 00:34 wasnt dure if it was under 'fixes' or 'more fixes' 00:34 *sure 00:35 anyways... not interested in hosting gnollhack 00:36 K2: oh I'm not saying you should 00:36 you were the one who decided to bring up hosting it here ;) 00:37 i know what you're trying to do :) 00:37 I already tried that with AceHack, which you at least haven't mentioned an expressive dislike for 00:37 so I'm not even going to bother with gnh 00:37 K2: I talk about gnollhack in here because there is nowhere else to do that 00:37 i think i have enough games here 00:37 not because I want you to host it 00:37 FIQ thats fine 00:37 its interesting 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] asumu (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:29619 00:37 i just wish they'd un-fuck their commit style 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] asumu (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29620 00:38 i'm sure there are some really interesting changes... cant find 'em 00:39 and i am not doing to dig through their mess of commits 00:39 hah 00:39 *going 00:39 K2: ok I'm not fully immersed in all the recent security problems NetHack has had 00:39 so I'm not sure if this is an exhaustive list 00:39 but commit 08eac3894de28c0d491810beb68c9273f05f2770 apparently has a bunch of security patches pulled from upstream 00:41 well that's good 00:44 what interest me the most from gnh as a player is their exhaustive in-game tables for things (think monster/object lookup but going further beyond that), their new spell system, and their approach to rebalancing damage outputs 00:44 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:44 I believe they completely removed damage reduction but compensated by spreading more max HP all around 00:44 which leads to interesting consequences latergame, in the sense that it's no longer trivial 00:45 which difficulty level did you play 00:45 expert 00:45 it's the mode that compares best to regular NetHack 00:45 100% damage output from player and monster 00:45 cool 00:46 junethack shouldnt count any gnollhack games that arent in 'expert' mode 00:46 I believe monk damage is overtuned far too much, although it appears that they addressed that after my game lol 00:46 yeah I mentioned that to them 00:46 They mentioned that lower difficulty levels have lower score, but I pointed out that junethack doesn't care about score at all 00:47 nor does anyone else really 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) wished for "3 uncursed scrolls of genocide", on T:24829 00:48 7:59 PM] FIQ: btw if you're going to keep having ascensions for easier difficulties count for junethack next year, maybe have trophies for ascending the various difficulty levels? and ascending, for example, Expert, would grant the one for Expert and the ones for the lower levels 00:48 [8:00 PM] janne-hmp: Sure, have to think about that. In any case, the score is much lower in easier difficulties. 00:48 [8:01 PM] FIQ: True. But Junethack doesn't really value score, due to different variants having different scoring 00:48 [8:01 PM] FIQ: so it doesn't really work well 00:48 [8:02 PM] janne-hmp: Ok, we'll think what would work best with Junethack 00:49 if I'm around in the time leading up to next Junethack, I might try to revisit the topic then assuming they haven't addressed it yet 00:50 very surprised they dont know about how score is viewed in nethack 00:50 K2: but that doesn't mean that gnollhack is doing a bad thing in trying to address score 00:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] ptomato (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6450 00:50 if it's going to be kept meaningless, why keep it at all? 00:50 sure, how scoring works could use a revamp 00:50 FIQ I mentioned that in a reddit thread a few weeks ago 00:50 didnt go over well hah 00:51 K2: my impression of gnollhack in general is that while they're clearly NetHack fans, enough to make a variant, they really don't seem to be involved with the typical NetHack commuity circles 00:51 but rather more doing their own thing 00:51 hence the disconnect 00:52 and given that once they did show up here, they were getting constantly harassed by some people, I'm not surprised they left again 00:54 amy 00:55 they got varying levels of constructive criticism from a few people here, including myself - amy full on harassed them 00:55 here and on reddit 00:56 <@Joanna> morning o.o 00:56 heya aoei 00:57 <@Joanna> Amy harassed gnollhack devs? oof 00:57 i think Tommi popped in here a few days ago, I missed him before i could say anything i think 00:57 her? him? no idea 00:57 I was the one who asked them to join because I had no idea how recover worked 00:57 and figured I could tell them to ask you about it :P 00:57 in the end they figured it out by themselves 00:57 was that the thing where they thought dgl did the recover? 00:57 and restored my game for me 00:58 Tangles told them about recover 00:58 in regards to how its not dgl 00:58 hm maybe? I don't recall the exact discussion 00:58 K2: him 00:58 was an email thread 00:58 ah 00:58 paxed thanks 00:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Freya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 1629 points, T:1139, killed by a faberge sphere's explosion 00:59 i should prob reply to it 00:59 they might have misunderstood what I said then, I mentioned that hdf's variants are compiled with recover 00:59 I guess they interpreted it as dgl doing the recovering 00:59 some variants can do an auto-recover 00:59 (I also said that I didn't know beyond that and told them to ask you) 00:59 yeah I think dnh does that 00:59 they reached out to Tangles, and he copied me on the reply 01:00 while slex sort of has it, but gives you a prompt 01:00 dnh, splicehack 01:00 the nh4 ones 01:00 NH4 ones aren't really autorecover in that sense 01:00 if you have a crash in NH4, you will not be able to do anything about it 01:00 i thought about adding it to evilhack but decided against 01:00 if it crashes, i want to know 01:00 due to how the save system works 01:00 :P 01:00 what would be cool is if the game emailed the dev on a crash if hosted on a public server 01:01 <@Joanna> autorecover can also be cheesed in some cases to farm wishes 01:01 User 'fiq' is not allowed to crash this game. This incident will be reported. 01:01 heh 01:01 blah its 1am 01:01 i should have gone to bed an hour ago 01:01 <@Joanna> go slep 01:01 K2: i guess you could just write a script to monitor dmesg? 01:01 gnite o/ 01:01 <@Joanna> i just woke up 01:02 <@Joanna> nite k2 01:02 paxed: me write a script. you so funny 01:02 K2: but you code nethack variant? 01:02 true 01:02 <@Joanna> he doesn't code anything 01:02 hmm maybe 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:25526 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:25527 01:02 <@Joanna> his daughter is the true brains behind evilhack 01:02 aoei i have actually made custom/new code for evilhack 01:03 its rare 01:03 but its happened 01:03 <@Joanna> lol 01:03 <@Joanna> fair :-b 01:03 otherwise i just slam my fists on the kboard until something that compiles comes out 01:03 <@Joanna> lmao you and every other C programmer 01:04 except i've never claimed to be a programmer :) 01:04 <@Joanna> that's the standard method 01:04 ok gnite for real lol 01:04 <@Joanna> you are now 01:04 paxed: K2 doesn't code evilhack like normal people 01:04 @joanna, oh please. at least C has more-or-less structure. that keyboard banging applies to perl better. 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:25595 01:04 <@Joanna> whether you claim it or not 01:04 instead, he performes sacrifices to evil gods 01:04 hence the name 01:04 *performs 01:04 <@Joanna> LOL paxed 01:05 <@Joanna> as a professional Perl programmer I feel duty bound to be outraged and offended 01:05 * paxed says, maintaining perl codebase at work 01:05 <@Joanna> unfortunately what you say is true 01:07 <@Joanna> however, my colleagues insist that we don't use any "Perl magic" and stick to clean OOP that happens to be written in Perl 01:07 :/ 01:07 is it really perl if you don't use any perl magic? 01:07 that sounds arguably worse 01:08 <@Joanna> lmao 01:09 <@Joanna> i think he meant we don't write it for the obfuscated code competition? idk 01:09 <@Joanna> I haven't seen any map {} @foo calls in the codebase yet tho and map iz epic 01:10 <@Joanna> Also nobody fucking comments the code 01:10 that's... like the best way to turn array into hash? 01:10 why would you not use it? 01:11 <@Joanna> don't look at me paxed 01:11 <@Joanna> hey maybe im wrong, maybe they do use it 01:11 <@Joanna> I just don't recall having seen it used yet 01:12 The high priest of Moloch zaps a wand of striking! Boing! 01:12 come on, you can do better than that! 01:12 <@Joanna> I only just started tbf 01:12 <@Joanna> Yo misha 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:25859 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:25860 01:12 <@Joanna> Kill dat high priest ded 01:12 <@Joanna> Yay pog 01:13 !time 01:13 cccrow: Tue Jun 29 01:13:12 2021 EDT 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] ptomato (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:7689 01:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Freya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 6911 points, T:2401, killed by an invisible ogre mage 01:13 <@Shadow_Rider> aoei i stole another tinkle 01:13 <@Joanna> Ssssh not here 01:13 <@Shadow_Rider> ssh what 01:14 <@Shadow_Rider> ssh nethack@hardfought.org 01:15 <@riker> shill 01:15 "People die if they are killed" 01:15 <@Joanna> lmao 01:15 <@Joanna> hey riker 01:15 <@riker> i bet you're just a bot k2 runs to join random channels and try to convince them that this "hardfought" thing is a good server shadow_rider 01:15 <@riker> hey aoei 01:15 <@riker> how are the vibes today 01:16 <@Shadow_Rider> very astute as always riker 01:17 <@riker> <3 01:19 <@Earth Traveler> this is disgusting... 01:19 <@Earth Traveler> i'm on the monk locate level, and the stairs spawned on the other side of a narrow crack 01:19 <@Earth Traveler> on a level with undiggable walls 01:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Freya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 3206 points, T:1049, quit 01:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:27 why are female elf-lords 'elf-queen'? 01:27 there's also Elvenqueen isn't there? 01:27 <@Earth Traveler> yes 01:27 <@Earth Traveler> obviously elves have a strange hierarchy of nobility 01:27 why not Elvenking/Elvenqueen and elf-lord/elf-lady? 01:27 lol 01:29 <@Shadow_Rider> . 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:27150 01:30 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:32 <@Joanna> I slept well and woke before my alarm 01:32 <@Joanna> Gettin ready to go to work/stop at the opticians cuz i broke my glasses yesterday 01:32 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/859305425006624808/20210629_072640.jpg 01:34 <@Joanna> How are ur vibes? It's late over there i guess 01:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Schliemann, on T:24588 01:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24590 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "platinum yendorian express card", on T:30583 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:30588 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:28736 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:28756 01:57 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:28989 02:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:28998 02:03 hooa wasn't nerfed or anything was it? 02:04 in vanilla 3.7 02:04 <@Shadow_Rider> Nerfed how 02:04 does it still work? 02:04 to ascend i mean 02:04 <@Shadow_Rider> Yes 02:04 <@Shadow_Rider> Change alignment gg 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:29016 02:04 <@Shadow_Rider> GO GO MISHA 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:29019 02:04 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 02:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Hum Mal Cha), 1037811 points, T:29019, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Misha/nethack/dumplog/1624838703.nh.html 02:06 gratz misha 02:06 \o/ 02:06 🎉 02:06 <@Shadow_Rider> yaya you did it! 02:08 go team splat! 02:08 * misha throws an egg at Beholder. Splat! 02:09 \o/ 02:11 <@Joanna> woo, grats misha 02:12 that was my first junethack ascension since 2012 02:13 awesome 02:13 <@Joanna> :o 02:13 <@Joanna> that's a long time 02:16 i didn't really play at all between 2012 and 2018 02:17 [hdf-au] [nh370] SwankyPillow (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:80824 02:18 Junethack: Achievement "Anti-Stoner: defeated Medusa in one variant" unlocked by misha! 02:18 Junethack: Achievement "Diversity Ascender: Ascended one variant" unlocked by misha! 02:18 Junethack: misha ascended a game of NetHack 3.7.0 on www.hardfought.org! 02:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:24 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Excavator, on T:26458 02:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:33180 02:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33182 02:30 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1340 02:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:36 <@Earth Traveler> y'know i bet the real reason the soldiers at fort ludios suicide themselves against you as you kill them in droves is really that nobody wants to have to report to Croesus that the million of them can't kill one guy 02:37 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 6207 points, T:2021, killed by a gas cloud 02:48 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 02:48 -!- elenmirie has quit [Read error: No route to host] 02:48 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 02:48 seems likely 02:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Arawn (And-Ana And Fem Neu) averted death, on T:75101 02:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:43404 02:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Singhend (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Singhend's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2377 02:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] asumu (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:31699 02:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Singhend (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2132 points, T:2773, killed by a dwarf 02:58 -!- fakepass has joined #hardfought 02:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] asumu (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:31789 03:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] Arawn (And-Ana And Fem Neu) averted death, on T:75675 03:04 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Arawn (Ana And Fem Neu), 4108026 points, T:75678, killed by the twitching four-armed changed 03:13 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:36278 03:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:36319 03:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Roamer, on T:36597 03:25 -!- tacco has joined #hardfought 03:28 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 03:29 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:33 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 03:34 -!- jannis has joined #hardfought 03:36 -!- Xjs has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:40 amateurhour: i got my first jira ticket >=O 03:40 first one actually assignd to my name 03:41 and probably i still do it in pair programming 03:41 but still pog 03:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Arawn (Arc Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2495 03:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a black dragon, on T:48609 03:43 <@Earth Traveler> if i fire a disintegration blast at Master Kaen before he moves, will that destroy my quest artifact? 03:44 jira bad 03:44 <@riker> my vibes are immaculate as always thank you very much 03:44 <@riker> disint doesn't destroy floor items right 03:44 amateurhour: why bad 03:44 <@Earth Traveler> i have no idea 03:45 what do you use 03:45 <@Earth Traveler> although the wiki doesn't say anything about it destroying floor items so probably not? 03:45 jira 03:45 kek 03:45 <@Earth Traveler> i don't know if artifacts are vulnerable to disintegration anyway 03:45 ok good to hear riker 03:45 keep immacutely vibin 03:45 i g2g 03:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:30396 03:48 <@Earth Traveler> anyone know if i'm at risk at destroying my quest artifact here? 03:48 try it for science 03:49 <@Earth Traveler> 😦 03:50 [hdf-us] [nh343] MAlischka2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 833 points, T:902, killed by a poisonous corpse 03:51 <@luxidream> nope 03:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Graznop (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (shocking spheres), on T:20425 03:52 <@luxidream> at least it hasn't happened to me yet 03:54 <@Earth Traveler> okay how about if i miss, and he picks up the eyes, could they get destroyed then? 03:55 <@luxidream> probably not 03:56 <@Earth Traveler> got it, i'll blame you if they get blown up here :p 03:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:48611 03:56 -!- tacco has quit [] 03:56 <@luxidream> artifacts resist destruction 03:56 <@luxidream> usually 03:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:48617 03:57 <@Earth Traveler> well i didn't miss so it's all good n.n 04:03 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 04:09 -!- lacca[m] has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] 04:09 -!- gpotvin has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] 04:12 [hdf-us] [evil] SurferOfButthole (Inf Ith Mal Una), 4334 points, T:4836, killed by a Grey-elf 04:15 [hdf-us] [nh343] MAlischka2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 352 points, T:1206, killed by a giant rat, while fainted from lack of food 04:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hob Mal Law) destroyed sluggoman's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:6845 04:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:37662 04:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Graznop (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:22094 04:19 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 237 points, T:1104, killed by a coyote 04:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) genocided disenchanters, on T:37693 04:20 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1074 points, T:94, killed by a guard 04:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:50535 04:22 -!- Arahael has joined #hardfought 04:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed Magic Mirror of Merlin", on T:32292 04:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 6200 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:50773 04:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Arc Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Spelunker, on T:32728 04:28 [hdf-eu] [sp] Muad (Pri Dwa Fem Neu), 507 points, T:893, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) genocided shocking spheres, on T:38372 04:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:38610 04:41 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:3088 04:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Graznop (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding named Finally! A bag!", on T:22887 04:43 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Sam Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:1219 04:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:51882 04:45 <@Earth Traveler> sheesh orcus almost could not have been more of a pain 04:45 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1542 04:46 <@Earth Traveler> on the bright side, the devs seem to have decided to not let him use his wand of death 04:47 -!- cccrow has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:49 -!- Saxtheowl has joined #hardfought 04:49 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:4490 04:51 <@luxidream> if you get there without MR he'll use it 😉 04:52 <@Earth Traveler> hahaha 04:52 <@Earth Traveler> first he should ask "wait, how did you get this far without magic resistance?" 04:52 luxidream when r u gonna do a reflectionless MRless speedrun 04:53 <@luxidream> there's a guy on RGRN who is trying that, he is stuck on orcus 04:53 <@luxidream> he's doing MRless reflectionless true ac 10 04:53 oh no way, haha 04:53 <@luxidream> I have an idea on how he can get past it 04:54 be fast and use cockatrice corpse maybe? 04:54 <@luxidream> true ac 10 04:54 <@luxidream> so can't wear armor 04:54 just ordinary fast 04:54 intrinsic 04:54 <@luxidream> can't wield the c corpse 04:54 oh 04:54 <@luxidream> no gloves 04:54 derp 04:55 <@luxidream> unless you count -1 leather gloves as not breaking true ac 10 04:55 <@luxidream> but I think the spirit is nudist 04:55 hmm, poly into undead maybe 04:55 <@Earth Traveler> he could poly into a silver/gray dragon? 04:55 <@luxidream> my idea was to use the epic gnome zombie form 04:56 <@Earth Traveler> or i guess that would violate conduct 04:56 <@luxidream> it is the only humanoid undead with ac 10 04:56 haha that's epic 04:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] cathartes (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:39571 04:57 <@Earth Traveler> sheesh almost no demons with even a positive AC 04:57 <@luxidream> kobold zombie also has 10 ac but it is strictly worse 04:57 that's a great idea 04:58 you should tell them so they don't die! 04:58 <@luxidream> currently they are trying to hide behind archons with reflection, which doesn't really work 04:58 <@Earth Traveler> of course, this may all be overlooking that that form will last roughly 0.1 seconds to orcus' other attacks 04:58 <@luxidream> ^ I accounted for this, you can nurse dance with unchanging on to increase your hp 04:58 hah 04:59 of course another strategy could be to skip orcus entirely 04:59 cursed gain level on floor below 04:59 <@Earth Traveler> but you have to come back up dummy 04:59 <@luxidream> right but orcus can stay peacefully asleep 04:59 <@luxidream> gain level into his level then gain level out 04:59