00:06 <@Earth Traveler> i literally just figured out how to consistently get the items that generate in the holes on the upper floors of sokoban... 00:07 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:44033, rt[4:17:34] 00:11 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:44308, rt[4:21:41] 00:11 Autopickup? 00:11 Junethack: New user hearsegirl registered! https://junethack.net/user/hearsegirl 00:13 or kicking, if not fragile 00:13 <@Earth Traveler> no, i just found that if you kick them, they fall down to the lower floor 00:13 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:44466, rt[4:23:45] 00:13 that's not consistent if they're glass 00:13 (say, a glass wand [of wishing]) 00:13 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:44476, rt[4:24:12] 00:14 or they might not fall through and instead slide to the other side of the holes, where a gnome will grab the wand [of death] and zap you 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinator, on T:12182 00:14 (i mean, they're mostly food so that's OK) 00:15 Kicking also wakes the Soko zoo 00:15 oh.. i do that so much i forgot they even start sleeping lol 00:15 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) put the invisible Death down for a little nap, on T:44566, rt[4:25:54] 00:16 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a priestess of Brigit), on T:44628, rt[4:27:02] 00:17 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:44656, rt[4:27:29] 00:17 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) put the invisible Death down for a little nap (5 times), on T:44666, rt[4:27:38] 00:17 <@Earth Traveler> sometimes i intentionally wake them up so that they'll come through the door 00:18 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1242688 points, T:44689, rt[4:28:22], wc[4:56:02], ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/setseed/dumplog/1624490519.seed.html 00:18 I tend towards avoiding waking them 00:18 <@Earth Traveler> Go Team @ ! 00:18 GG Rider 00:18 ET oh yeah, that's convenient, particularly with an intact door to further slow them down for retreats 00:19 I almost always have stealth in some manner so 00:20 Junethack: shadowrider38 ascended a game of NetHack 3.7.0 on www.hardfought.org! 00:21 if there's something I would want for every variant and vanilla, it's un's "v" key 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 17785 points, T:8017, killed by a giant mummy 00:22 haa, smoky obj det 00:23 <@Earth Traveler> wow that giant mummy took me from nearly full health to 0 in 2 turns 00:23 Giant mummies are assholes 00:24 Also smoky object detection is goated 00:24 can farm nymphs 00:24 yep 00:24 one of the best smokies 00:24 perhaps even the best 00:25 healing smokies are good too but wasteful 00:25 (and i've heard people die from smoky full healing at times..) 00:26 Yep, desperately need a full heal but get a wish instead 00:26 If you could wish for full health it wouldn't suck as bad I imagine 00:27 (if you get a wish at all, otherwise that's your ass on a platter) 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:13947 00:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Minetown, on T:3091 00:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3091 00:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Mon Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a glittering spellbook on an altar, on T:3093 00:31 fell into the temple, huh 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +2 Grayswandir", on T:13949 00:31 Lucky 00:32 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Pri Hum Mal Neu) shouted "wolf!", on T:684 00:32 hehe, just kidding. there's no wolf 00:32 [hdf-us] [un] Umbire (Mon Hum Mal Law) shouted "KEEO P IT DOWN YOU'LL WAKE THE KIDS", on T:6489 00:32 >:C 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:13953 00:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Initiate, on T:3278 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:13959 00:37 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Pri Hum Mal Neu) shouted "test to see if shouting takes time", on T:890 00:37 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Pri Hum Mal Neu) shouted "HEY IT DOES NOT", on T:890 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6100 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 frost brand", on T:13967 00:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 6213 points, T:5466, killed by a bolt of lightning 00:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 4511 points, T:3570, killed by a spear 00:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8 points, T:18, killed by an uninjured goblin 00:42 Finding a lot of altars in the main branch in this game 00:45 Found 2 tins, ate one, it was newt soup. A newt appeared while opening the other one, killed it and ate it. Then ate the second tin of newt soup. 00:45 * Muad anti-Dudley 00:47 lol 00:47 meanwhile I have a black uni corpse ready to sac but I'm on a floor with a chaotic altar 00:48 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1883, rt[0:27:22] 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:15089 01:01 new thing: i name eggs according to the monster that dropped them. R - an uncursed egg named jackal egg. 01:01 lol 01:02 i think so far exactly 0 have been correct 01:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Freya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 14294 points, T:6910, killed by a dwarf 01:04 so jackal eggs hatch into giant ants. makes sense, insects often change shape during their lives. this is called polymorph (fact) 01:05 it was a parasitic insect, that lays its eggs in other animals' nests 01:05 <@FIQ> Umbire: then you don't have it ready to sac :P 01:05 * Umbire punts FIQ 01:05 Don't remind me >:c 01:06 lol my warhorse just bodied a white unicorn on that note 01:07 moon-child, oh, that's even more likely. I guess all the antholes are really just former jackalholes 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9952 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Exhumer, on T:15557 01:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Priestess, on T:10080 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Paladin, on T:84028 01:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1106 points, T:2920, killed by an uninjured giant spider 01:21 You stop putting on the pair of hard shoes. The water nymph stole a blessed pair of hard shoes. The water nymph puts on a blessed pair of hard shoes. 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed the orb of fate", on T:14834 01:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Kni Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by the invisible Wizard of Yendor), on T:84261 01:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1020 01:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 862 points, T:1032, killed by a dwarf 01:29 <@FIQ> Muad: "no! mine!" 01:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 01:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Freya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 2688 points, T:1915, killed by colliding with the ceiling 01:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:1440 01:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 314 points, T:401, killed by a gnome lord 01:37 raisse, idk if you saw this https://pbs.twimg.com/media/E3s9h8jWYAUN2Ic?format=jpg&name=large 01:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] yoleo531 (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2132 01:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:15849 01:39 it looked to me like I saw myself get +3 AC from the boots just before the nymph stole them, but they were not ID'd as +1 yet 01:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 489 points, T:1396, killed by an acid blob 01:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Freya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 2221 points, T:1455, killed by a rothe 01:49 Muad: yes I did! 01:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 02:00 -!- Announcy has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:00 -!- bhaak has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Grayswandir", on T:16400 02:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1581 02:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Excavator, on T:20261 02:17 good morning o.o 02:19 [hdf-us] [fh] Tam (sadburger) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the wizard of Tam, the former Thaumaturge, on T:6524 02:32 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 02:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:21719 02:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21721 02:37 -!- ssnufd has quit [Quit: Client closed] 02:37 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v bhaak] by ChanServ 02:41 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 02:41 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 02:48 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:49 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:50 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2034 points, T:4945, killed by an ape 02:53 [hdf-au] [nh370] SwankyPillow (Bar Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:32608 03:00 Junethack: Achievement "Globetrotter: get a trophy in three variants" unlocked by Muad! 03:00 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in three variants" unlocked by Muad! 03:14 You are beginning to feel hungry. You stop searching. You feel weak! <- whoa, super quickly from Hungry to Weak! at this rate i will starve in 2 turns! 03:26 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Minetown, on T:1464, rt[0:20:57] 03:30 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:1472, rt[0:24:38] 03:31 -!- cathartes has quit [Quit: fly away] 03:33 You miss the mountain nymph. You sure are noisy. 03:39 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 03:46 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:1607, rt[0:40:47] 03:52 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3333 03:53 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2708 points, T:3357, killed by an iguana 04:16 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:27 NetSysFire: lol looks like you got sigmunded :D Cristi is an early-game boss in slex designed to be similarly dangerous as DCSS's Sigmund, and apparently he owned you 04:28 @le?Cristi 04:28 Cristi (h) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 15 | Res: disintegrate petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: unique | AC: 7 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 kick physical, 2d4 cast spell, 1d5 non-contacting-beam paralyze | Alignment: -10 | Flags: omnivore, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker 04:28 also you're playing like a madman, why don't you take your time and play cautiously and methodically instead? you can't speedrun slex, at least not if you're trying to win :P (you can speedrun getting your slex chars killed, though) 04:30 !tell NetSysFire if you're going to ask "amy how do i prevent ood spawns in slex???", I'm going to refer you to the wise aosdict, who will tell you the one true answer: "you don't" :D *bundlebundlebundle!* 04:30 I'm on it, LarienTelrunya. 04:30 [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Huan Ti, on T:25554 04:30 !tell NetSysFire have u tried being luckier 04:30 I'm on it, amateurhour. 04:31 also, wasting identify scrolls on known-uncursed rings without putting them on first is kind of a waste 04:36 -!- Sgeo has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:37 <@wheals> thats only true if you know that slex doesnt have rings that autocurse, i would have assumed it does 04:37 it does, but if you take the risk of wearing one, you then get rewarded by having 3 times less chance for the ring to resist identification 04:38 slex is meant to reward risky play and penalize those who want a boring "100% safe, never take any risks" approach :P 04:38 > why don't you take your time and play cautiously 04:39 that was referring to playing fast, which NetSysFire apparently does 04:39 :P 04:39 as in, mashing keys, not paying much attention to what actually happens in the game; doing that is also supposed to be penalized (and in particular, escaping out of messages, thereby skipping them, is meant to result in getting killed :P ) 04:39 the cautious thing is to identify the autocursing cloak of instant death BEFORE putting it on :P 04:46 why even bother with rings at all if they are so hard to identify? :P 04:46 most of them are quite useless most of the time anyway 04:47 well do you want free action or not? (amateurhour has a couple stories about girls with peep-toes to share :D ) 04:47 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:55693 04:47 free action doesn't always work 04:47 against peep-toe-induced paralysis it's guaranteed to work 04:48 yeah, the only ring that seems worth it really is free action 04:48 so those paralysis attacks are much like vanilla's wands of death you complained about the other day 04:48 ^ this 04:49 it's not just peep toes, it's hippie heels, if they roll para (free action doesn't help) you have to watch your character get every status effect and then die, really slowly 04:50 what were the complaints about vanilla wand of death? 04:50 my complaint is that if there's a lieutenant with a wand of death and you don't have reflection or MR, you simply die 04:50 and they can spawn anywhere at random, at any time 04:50 a good solution may be to remove free action entirely, and then rebalance things so paralysis is dangerous but not a certain death 04:51 paralysis is IMHO difficult to balance, since a few turns can already be a long time if high-damage monsters are around 04:51 sleep is also pretty powerful in slex 04:51 so just a few turns of paralysis can be enough to take you out if, say, Demogorgon is next to you when you get hit by it :P 04:53 you're para'd for monlev turns from peep toes I think 04:53 looks like it's (m_lev + 1)/2 actually, not a roll 04:55 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Pri Elf Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 3143 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:56056 04:59 @le?tai chi girl 04:59 tai chi girl (@) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 18 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 2d8 weapon physical, 2d8 kick physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, conceals, infravisible 05:07 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Pri Elf Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 3589 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:56651 05:09 -!- entuland has joined #hardfought 05:09 [hdf-us] [nh343] MAlischka2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 122 points, T:359, killed by a water demon 05:10 [hdf-us] [nh343] MAlischka2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 52 points, T:187, killed by a fox 05:13 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 05:16 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Pri Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:56965 05:16 [hdf-eu] [nh343] HarmathZsolt (Pri Elf Mal Cha) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:56966 05:22 amateurhour: im learning about agile software development :-o 05:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1127 points, T:1279, killed by a wand 05:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dins (Val Dwa Fem Law), 287 points, T:1415, killed by a giant bat 05:23 I'm so sorry you have to go through this :P 05:24 whats ur beef with agile >:-o 05:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 228 points, T:99, killed by a dart, while praying 05:26 or more to the point what are you sorry about 05:26 i am not suffering (at least not yet) 05:26 the solution to any problems with agile is always more agile 05:26 lol 05:27 i think there is also the issue that these days "agile" can mean a lot of stuff 05:27 bhaak said if u dont have a product owner its fake agile 05:27 if u do it still may be fake 05:28 idk i mean. i prefer it to the way we did things in academia 05:28 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 05:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Kni Hum Mal Law), 370 points, T:630, killed by a sewer rat 05:29 (in my specific microcosm of academia, i guess) 05:30 better than the system of getting a revolving door of cheap phd students to hack on it for a decade to farm papers? :P 05:30 ok yea thats not the best yardstick 05:30 u have a point 05:30 x'D 05:32 amateurhour: do you know of a better system than agile tho? 05:34 something in between agile and waterfall sounds good in my head but I wouldn't know as never done anything but agile 05:34 ah okay 05:34 ive only vaguely heard about waterfall cuz in one intro presentation i discovered it is what my employer used to do before switching to agile n years ago 05:35 i like the sports metaphors with scrum and sprints 05:35 makes the job sound so active 05:36 when in reality u sit at computer all day 05:36 lul 05:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Dins (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1772 points, T:2337, killed by a werejackal 05:38 i still havent quite worked out how scrum and agile relate 05:38 my impression is they often go together but are technically separate things? 05:41 you should try out my new method, combining the best of scrum and agile. i call it scrag 05:41 lol Muad that sounds fantastic 05:41 wat ab out aum 05:41 its like scrag but with more gold 05:42 sounds a bit like Aum Shinrikyo 05:44 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Umbire zaps a wand of digging!] 05:45 how're your nethack games going and which variants are you currently playing? 05:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:1379 05:46 <@Earth Traveler> cleaver on DL3 🙂 05:46 right now I'm playing slex 2.72 and I'm trying to make my way through the code editing branch :P 05:48 [hdf-eu] [sp] mobileuser (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a silver saber named Werebane bestowed upon her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:18716 05:48 wtf github now allows me to "squash commits"? how does that work, i.e. what does that even mean? 05:48 it combines multiple commits into a single commit 05:48 huh, weird 05:49 it's really useful for example for merging feature branches back into master 05:49 those work in progress commits don't really need to exist 05:49 or multiple attempts to fix a bug that didn't quite work out 05:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:51 [hdf-us] [nh343] MAlischka2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 4158 points, T:2927, killed by a rothe 05:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2368 05:54 [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27649 05:54 ya true 05:55 then you can have a cleaner git log for the main branch 05:56 keep it neat and tidy 05:56 [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a blast of disintegration), on T:27706 05:58 [hdf-us] [evil] mung (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 157871 points, T:27713, killed by a black dragon 06:01 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4451, rt[2:55:28] 06:13 commits pushed! amateurhour: tell me how much I suck :D 06:14 11/10 suckage 06:15 hahaha nerfed missile weapons 06:18 straight up nerfed various shoes 06:19 yeah they were giving insane damage boosts 06:19 rip YSexyMates 06:22 the missile weapons nerf was mostly as a result of how turbo OP it feels with my current secretadvicemember 06:23 it is 06:23 it shouldn't be that awfully strong 06:23 ranged generally is very good 06:23 and missile weapons are epic 06:23 lol then why don't you ever use it yourself? 06:23 because I'm roleplaying as a punchyboi 06:23 deal with it B^) 06:24 btw most of the uniques running away means they're almost impossible to kill with melee 06:24 running away? 06:24 the only reason I managed to kill ice queen v1 was they ran into a dead end 06:24 otherwise they just run away, heal to full, you can't catch up to melee them 06:25 wtf??? you mean when monsters turn to flee? they don't actually do that very often in my experience 06:25 couldn't be bothered with ice queen v2 at that point 06:25 because they respawned not in the dead end 06:26 try meleeing the ice queen in wizard mode or something, it's horrid 06:26 range definitely better there 06:27 also the amount of range passives is really low, while the melee passives is really high 06:27 so I think generally speaking range is better anyway 06:27 maybe, but ranged weapons can be dodged (especially by ghosts), and they need ammo, plus if you're confused or stunned, you can only fire one at a time, severely crippling you :P 06:28 <@Earth Traveler> also, amy's about to add several monsters that reflect your projectiles back at you 06:28 <@Earth Traveler> assuming that isn't already in the game 06:28 lol 06:29 anyway ideally slex characters should be built such that they're well-rounded, i.e. capable of doing both melee and ranged combat, and ideally also some spellcasting 06:29 one-trick-ponies aren't supposed to have an easy time :P 06:31 scared of being converted to slex 06:31 (some earlier game design things you said made a lot of sense..) 06:31 :D 06:32 "amy has some really good ideas, she's just been implementing them very badly" or something? :P 06:32 well, there's only one thing that will assuage this fear! playing slex 06:32 it does seem like your game might benefit from being, uh, less "busy" but then it would not be slex 06:33 Amy a role that can be do all of melee and ranged and spellcasting is probably overpowered :P 06:33 * amateurhour looks at secret advice member 06:33 * amateurhour looks at Amy 06:34 the secret advice member is only kinda OP with regard to throwing weapons right now, because missile weapons (pre-2.72-nerf) is too strong 06:34 it can do everything really well, it's not just decent at them 06:34 <@Earth Traveler> any role someone can win the game with is probably overpowered 06:35 lol 06:35 we need someone to show up that can actually beat it 06:35 #bringbackporkman 06:36 amateurhour: why don't you want to be that someone? you keep saying how OP the secretadvicemember is (despite not actually having familiarized yourself with them... one week left before I reveal it :P ), you could probably ascend one 06:36 and no, you don't need to pick a particular race, although there are ones that would make the scumming even easier 06:37 I want to beat every variant as a monk at least once 06:38 playing vegetarian in slex is easy. there's so much word salad 06:38 it takes me a week long game to get to gehennom and splat 06:38 hahaha 06:42 maybe I actually succeeded in making gehennom hard enough that even a superpowered monk (pre-martial-arts-nerf) would have to diversify a little and use ranged weapons and/or spells there ;) 06:43 everything was crazy tough and hard to kill 06:43 the prime cursed helm in sheol was just the finishing blow 06:44 every time I get optimism that slex is beatable some crazy stuff happens 06:44 <@Earth Traveler> "every time I get optimism that slex is beatable some crazy stuff happens" <- this is actually the entire point of the game 06:44 yeah it's a sign that it works as intended :D 06:45 crazy unwinnable stuff I mean 06:45 <@Earth Traveler> we know 06:47 lol 06:51 [hdf-us] [nh343] MAlischka2 (Val Hum Fem Law), 4593 points, T:2885, killed by a giant mummy 06:54 might try beat it on a sec after monk though idk 06:55 gtg now, today's shift isn't that godawfully long so I should be back in 6 hours or so 06:55 seeya! :) 06:55 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 06:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 10208 points, T:5315, killed by a wolf 06:56 <@Earth Traveler> and a promising start is once again ruined by a cursed scroll of create monster 06:58 have you tried being luckier? 07:00 <@Earth Traveler> ironically if i'd taken 1 extra point of damage a couple turns before my death, i would've lived because then i could've reliably prayed to for healing 07:02 heh 07:03 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3137 07:04 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3204 07:04 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:10 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3716 07:10 [hdf-us] [spl] ligang (Kni Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3762 07:10 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Bar Vam Mal Cha), 1593 points, T:1479, killed by a plains centaur 07:11 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 171 points, T:411, killed by a poisonous corpse 07:14 [hdf-au] [slex] Tangles (Hal Amn Mal Neu), 4374 points, T:1174, killed by a scroll of genocide 07:14 -!- solarwinds123 is now known as Stella 07:15 -!- Stella is now known as aoei 07:15 slex is the only variant that makes you want to genocide yourself. 07:15 Tangles_: Message from nabru at 2021-06-15 13:14 EDT: I had a splice game crash on the US server, could you try to recover it and see if it dumped core? 07:16 ugh really 07:17 no coredump 07:17 hmm actually this is from ages ago... I guess K2 already took care of it? 07:19 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in nine variants" unlocked by Tangles! 07:19 hmm actually *I* may have recovered that one, thinking about it. 07:19 o.o 07:19 -!- Tangles_ is now known as Tangles 07:19 Tangles_: ! 07:19 Tangles: ! 07:19 hi 07:19 Hello aoei, Welcome to #hardfought 07:20 hi :P 07:21 <@nabru> Tangles: this one is old. I remember asking you in private 07:23 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Plik (Val Dwa Fem Law), 312 points, T:1568, killed by a cave spider, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 07:31 Tangles: hows fings 07:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 526 points, T:1995, killed by an arrow 07:42 [hdf-au] [sp] Tangles (Tou Dwa Mal Neu), 922 points, T:1875, killed by a wolf 07:42 aoei: Not too bad. Just been too busy to play much. 07:42 same here tbh 07:42 new job and flat hunting 07:43 got a lot on 07:43 Just derping around trying to get 1k turns in each variant.. that's about all I have time for lol. 07:43 lol ive not even been bothering with variants 07:43 got 3 vanilla ascensions and thats it 07:44 maybe ill have a lil time to play this arvo 07:44 Haha well that's 3 more than I have. 07:44 ;o 07:44 * aoei is beating Tangles :> 07:44 well that's not hard lol 07:44 haha tru 07:45 i been staying out in the country these last two weeks 07:45 its very quiet 07:45 going back to the city this weekend tho 07:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 137 points, T:591, killed by a large mimic 07:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] wheals (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2033 07:48 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in ten variants" unlocked by Tangles! 07:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 16246 points, T:10633, killed by a mountain centaur 07:57 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 08:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2060 08:04 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 08:12 -!- cccrow has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:17 [hdf-au] [nh4] Bob (Tangles) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 26964 points, T:1433, killed by a gnome 08:18 -!- el-senor-test has joined #hardfought 08:20 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4650 08:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:4662 08:23 [hdf-eu] [nh13d] amateurhour (Val Fem), 11752 points, T:4608, imp 08:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4121 08:27 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in eleven variants" unlocked by Tangles! 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Xerxes (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6642 08:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 08:37 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5602 08:38 -!- el-senor-test has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:39 [hdf-au] [fh] Mike (Tangles) (Tou Gno Mal Neu), 29131 points, T:1111, poisoned by a centipede 08:43 wow mmf on top level of mines. 08:44 [hdf-eu] [nh13d] amateurhour (Valkyrie ### Fem ###) killed the ghost of , the former Knight, on T:3127 08:45 -!- Xjs has quit [Quit: Good night.] 08:45 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in twelve variants" unlocked by Tangles! 08:46 !ping 08:46 nabru: Pong! 08:48 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 08:50 [hdf-eu] [nh13d] amateurhour (Val Fem), 9961 points, T:3678, crossbow bolt 08:50 [hdf-au] [dyn] Steve (Tangles) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2004 points, T:1214, killed by an arrow 08:51 Stepped on an arrow trap while running away lol 08:51 nice 08:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] xororand (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 951 points, T:1911, killed by a crossbow bolt 08:54 Junethack: Achievement "Sightseeing Tour: finish a game in thirteen variants" unlocked by Tangles! 08:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] wheals (Pir Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11901 08:58 uh oh got slimed. how does the potion of oil work again? 08:59 apply, throw in the air 08:59 (up) 09:00 thanks! 09:00 * attie feels less green already 09:00 :-) 09:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] wheals (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 39012 points, T:12260, petrified by a cockatrice corpse 09:01 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:01 kermit 09:01 <@wheals> oh it tried to autopickup the corpse 09:02 the wiki article for sliming has some strange wording regarding that 09:02 : zapping yourself with a wand of fire, reading a scroll of fire, being caught in an explosion from a lit potion of oil up, or throwing a weapon that inflicts fire damage, such as Fire Brand, upwards via <. 09:02 ' being caught in an explosion from a lit potion of oil up' 09:02 how to compose that 09:03 so that its proper grammer 09:03 -!- arnibald has joined #hardfought 09:03 bullet list? 09:04 being caught in an explosion from a lit potion of oil thrown up 09:04 this still sounds clunky 09:04 it doesn't have to be thrown up 09:04 yeah 09:04 ok so just remove the 'up' 09:04 you can throw it anywhere just catch yourself in the ball of fire 09:04 i would assume you don't have to throw it either 09:04 yes, but it helps to know that you can do that by throwing it up 09:05 actually I am curious if quaffing a lit potion would work or not 09:05 heh 09:05 it 'deals fire damage' according to the wikik 09:05 You burn your face. 09:05 pretty sure it'd work yeah 09:05 science! 09:05 I think I just panicked grunthack? I was limping back to my stash after getting a bit beaten up my Demogorgon, and then suddenly was looking at the hardfought main menu. When I try to re-start (g) for grunthack, I get the 'There is already a game in progress under your name. Destroy old game [yn]' 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] StatueSurfer (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7505 09:06 arnibald: what server? 09:06 <@Earth Traveler> huh, well thanks for taking that amulet of reflection out of the zoo, nymph XP 09:06 US 09:06 I'll have a look. 09:06 it doesn't 09:06 testing in 3.6.6. shows burning your face with a lit potion of oil does not work 09:06 can be considered a bug 09:06 yep 09:06 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/potion.c#L1104 09:06 most definitely 09:07 i will report it :3 09:07 well, maybe burning your face is not enough if the slime is everywhere 09:07 also add a note to the wiki page that it doesn't work while you're at it? 09:07 it's still a pretty badass move tho 09:08 wow, the devteam doesnt think of everything 09:08