00:04 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2625, rt[0:08:08] 00:04 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2867, rt[0:08:41] 00:08 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4610 points, T:3554, [0:12:07], quit 00:09 <@Shadow_Rider> oh no 00:10 <@Shadow_Rider> i can dig out excal in soko if i push a boulder into the pit 00:10 <@Shadow_Rider> ive been quitting the last 3 times that happened 00:10 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating an iguana corpse, on T:4771 00:11 the sword under the stone 00:14 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 00:15 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided mind flayers, on T:8266, rt[1:12:26] 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5568 00:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Blackbeard's Ghost, on T:26616 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:5879 00:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:8779, rt[1:16:58] 00:20 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: oh6] 00:22 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 00:22 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 00:25 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 00:25 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1272, rt[0:03:11] 00:27 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1075 points, T:1645, [0:04:54], killed by a rock mole, while frozen by a floating eye's gaze 00:27 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 00:27 @v?lichen 00:27 lichen (F) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 1 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Attacks: 0d0 touch sticky | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, vegan 00:27 lichen (F) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 1 | Spd: 1 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 9 | Attacks: 0d0 touch sticky | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, breathless, mindless, vegan 00:27 wow 00:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "unholy marker", on T:9151, rt[1:25:38] 00:29 why Pinoclone does not respond in PM? 00:34 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2156, rt[0:06:50] 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:7489 00:36 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2696, rt[0:08:44] 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7519 00:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:9590, rt[1:35:58] 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:7608 00:42 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4288, rt[0:15:15] 00:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:22731 00:49 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Changing host] 00:49 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:53 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:10523, rt[1:50:34] 00:55 Late hi 00:57 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 36595 points, T:8615, [0:29:39], quit 00:57 <@Shadow_Rider> "Thank you for freeing me!" 00:57 !lastgame shadowrider38 00:57 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/setseed/dumplog/1621744059.seed.html 00:57 <@Shadow_Rider> nah dont look im just lazy 00:58 Ah 00:58 <@Shadow_Rider> i only have the patience for mines soko 00:58 <@Shadow_Rider> terrible excuse 00:59 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 00:59 I mean that's fine 01:00 The main thing I was wondering was "are they doing sokomine practice" 01:00 Oh god spheres make actual explosions now 01:00 That'll be Fun™ 01:00 (I actually like the change just wew) 01:02 oops 01:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 83234 points, T:11138, [1:58:46], crushed to death by an exploding drawbridge 01:02 D:!?! 01:02 Tommo no... 01:03 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1423, rt[0:04:09] 01:04 Oh yeah, that reminds me 01:04 I've yet to run into any dragons in my mobile Un game 01:04 i heard dragons r just the stuff of fairy tales 01:04 Done Town, Soko, Mines, Quest (Frost Brand fucking owns), and just recently finished Moria 01:05 Moria in particular was a hell of a time, I honestly should go back and grab that fireproof whip 01:05 also I have So Much Loot 01:05 did u see a spider 01:07 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2596, rt[0:07:40] 01:07 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2649, rt[0:07:46] 01:07 Un doesn't have the womanspiderthing 01:07 Did have the Watcher though 01:07 Managed to freeze it out and cut it off from the lake, was ezgame after that 01:08 Just had to avoid clowning into drowning 01:08 (it's extra funny since there was a second magic lamp on the same floor) 01:09 <@riker> un does randomized dragons right 01:11 Ye 01:11 Haven't seen any at all though, not even baby ones 01:12 Odd 01:13 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] tsingi (Inf Elf Mal Una), 90 points, T:175, killed by trying to drink molten lava 01:14 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4721, rt[0:14:46] 01:14 that's not how fountain quaffing works! 01:15 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:24 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 01:27 [hdf-us] [slex] Abdlabl (Tha Dop Mal Cha), 431746 points, T:30637, killed by a psybeam 01:31 [hdf-us] [evil] tsingi (Inf Elf Fem Una), 359 points, T:658, killed by a vampire bat 01:35 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:9853, rt[0:35:24] 01:39 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:30496 01:40 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: night] 01:40 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:10718, rt[0:40:58] 01:40 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: brb] 01:41 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 01:42 Finally got external SASL sorted 01:45 hi5 o/ 01:45 \o 01:48 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed genocide", on T:12436, rt[0:49:09] 01:51 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 01:51 -!- raisse\splat has joined #hardfought 01:52 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:13161, rt[0:53:17] 01:53 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:13166, rt[0:53:23] 01:54 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:13386, rt[0:54:56] 01:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] TudCruz (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7020 01:59 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:14333, rt[0:59:26] 01:59 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 shield of reflection", on T:14371, rt[1:00:07] 02:01 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:14517, rt[1:02:05] 02:02 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 02:03 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:14556, rt[1:03:24] 02:03 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:14558, rt[1:03:26] 02:03 Andrio: >:C 02:03 * Umbire rolls up newspaper 02:03 das rude 02:04 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:14750, rt[1:04:40] 02:05 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:15047, rt[1:06:19] 02:06 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:06 -!- elenmirie_ is now known as elenmirie 02:08 * Andrio puts on his robe and wizard dunce cap. 02:09 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:15864, rt[1:09:47] 02:09 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:15866, rt[1:09:49] 02:10 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:16158, rt[1:10:53] 02:12 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:16353, rt[1:12:44] 02:12 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:16360, rt[1:13:01] 02:13 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:16362, rt[1:13:24] 02:14 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:16505, rt[1:14:38] 02:14 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:16510, rt[1:14:45] 02:15 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 310 points, T:418, killed by a dwarf 02:18 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:16997, rt[1:18:52] 02:19 * Umbire baps Andrio 02:20 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 205 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:17328, rt[1:20:22] 02:20 * Andrio dies... 02:22 Do you want your possessions identified? [YNQ] (Y) 02:24 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a gas cloud), on T:18104, rt[1:25:21] 02:25 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 394583 points, T:18122, [1:25:31], killed by a barbed devil (with the Amulet) 02:25 <@Shadow_Rider> get me out of here 02:25 <@Shadow_Rider> i just wanted to practice soko 02:26 D: 02:27 <@Shadow_Rider> !lastgame 02:27 @Shadow_Rider: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/setseed/dumplog/1621745977.seed.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/E/ElectroBlueGuy/nethack4/dumplog/2021-05-23%2000%3A52%3A09%2C%20Electro-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/P/PeachMuffin/unnethack/dumplog/1621749435.un.txt.html 03:09 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:34 paxed: (backscroll) nethack was good when it was still 3.4.3, back then it was pure :P the fact that variant features are now being forced into "vanilla" just totally rubs me the wrong way, because it means you can no longer opt out of those features 03:37 wtf amateurhour isn't here 03:37 !tell amateurhour yes, you can still find actual tins of spinach, but as you correctly deduced, the one in grund's become tins of that monster, blame whoever had the spinach monster YASI :P 03:37 amateurhour shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, LarienTelrunya. 03:41 too bad he's not here, but he's probably going to read backscroll so I'll add this: even if vanilla were to add slex features, it could still rub me the wrong way, if they're features that only make sense (or "sense" :P ) in a slex context 03:44 -!- Umbyre has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- Umbyre has quit [Changing host] 03:44 -!- Umbyre has joined #hardfought 03:44 -!- chris has joined #hardfought 03:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:50 -!- Umbyre has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:50 -!- Umbyre has joined #hardfought 03:50 -!- Umbyre has quit [Changing host] 03:50 -!- Umbyre has joined #hardfought 03:51 -!- attie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:52 Suddenly, the police appears and shouts 'Put your foreclaws in the air!' At first, you think they're coming for you, but then your surprised eyes watch the cyan missingno get put in foreclawcuffs and abducted. 03:52 gotta love slex's random combat messages :D 03:54 Is that its "death message"? 03:54 Also hi. 03:54 yeah, normally it would just be "You kill the cyan missingno!" 03:55 and it uses the body parts of the monster, so it replaces "hand" with "foreclaw" ;) 03:55 I knew the body parts bit 03:55 Anyway brb. 03:55 -!- Umbyre has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:55 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 03:56 welcome back ♥ 03:56 Okay continue 03:56 right now this char is on the way to the quest 03:57 oh no, this is the level where Tautro ended up 03:58 My wifi is such fucking dogshit right now. 03:58 :/ 03:58 Also I'm just gonna pretend you didn't mention the quest so I don't have to process that. 03:58 :3 03:58 ? what's so bad about that? 03:59 Because then I have to consider that you completed what looked like a late-game branch before even touching the Quest 03:59 And that goes against the order of things I'm used to 03:59 gaaaaaaah of course the Tautro lamer warped away 03:59 And that makes my brain sad 03:59 And I don't like. 04:00 heh what do you mean "late-game branch", the minotaur maze is in the dungeons of doom 04:00 there's actual late-game branches in Gehennom 04:00 Difficulty-wise, you pedant. 04:00 >:1 04:00 eh it wasn't so bad, just a few of the floors were quite difficult 04:01 speaking of difficult, now I have to deal with invisible beehives while searching the quest portal 04:03 ...why? 04:03 when I entered this floor, I had the ghost world nastytrap active so all the monsters are super-invisible 04:05 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 04:06 Oh right, that's a thing. 04:08 omg 04:08 ? 04:09 oh you're not watching I guess 04:09 horde of zombies formed out of thin air 04:09 For reasons explained, yes 04:09 also Amy isn't that how most monsters form 04:10 ...you're trying to tell me that you're not watching just because I might do the quest? 04:10 ...no, because my wi-fi is dogshit! 04:10 ah 04:12 well then, https://abload.de/img/zombiehordeoutofthina8yklf.png - they all formed at once, and very close to me too 04:12 gonna try turn undead 04:12 man that was useless 04:13 That site your local quick image uploader? 04:13 yeah 04:14 Sick 04:15 Shadow_Rider: rip 04:15 good attempt tho 04:20 oh damn 04:20 whyyyyyy did amateurhour insist that I make the char chaotic :( now turn undead can only turn the zombies peaceful, as opposed to destroying them 04:21 anyway, gonna go afk for a while 04:22 pure? features forced into vanilla? you do not make any sense. 04:22 Just use them as rotten meat shields :3 04:22 -!- Graznop has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:23 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 04:24 paxed: it used to be that conflict simply worked; if I wanted it to behave like it does in sporkhack, I'd play sporkhack :D now, you get the sporkhack behavior even in vanilla... 04:24 don't play nethack then. 04:25 High-MR monsters say hi 04:25 It's a hell of a lot different, not necessarily worse in every aspect (if indeed in any aspect) 04:26 if you make any good arguments, you might have a chance of actually affecting the development, but just saying stuff like that makes me want to put you on /ignore. 04:26 paxed: you wouldn't be the first either 04:26 ...hopefully we can avoid this getting too heated... 04:27 aoei: i had her ignored for quite some time, but it was annoying getting one-sided dicussions 04:27 Not being able to wear a ring of conflict around a pet MMF/arch-lich sucks, for instance, but getting freshly summoned nasties to dogpile their summoner more reliably (with the summonr joining in even!) is pretty sweet 04:27 summoner* 04:27 fwiw I think it's a cool change and likely improves game balance, tho I have yet to playtest it myself 04:28 junethack should ppl plenty of time to test stuff 04:28 Also means you have to approach conflict strats differently, meaning fresh(er) and new(er) strats 04:29 also Charisma finally matters worth a shit for... p. much anything! 04:29 oh btw paxed im trying to work on a setseed feature but im a bit stumped on a couple of problems, maybe you can take a quick look at this for me? (main issues detailed in commit message text: https://github.com/aoeixsz4/nh-setseed/commit/2b92b4f5b6e43b48ad8e1b098c9d67e98797936b) 04:29 Granted SLEX probably has its own little suite of CHA-based tech and whatnot 04:30 lol threatening to put people on ignore. just do it or don't, I don't care :P 04:31 any ideas/suggestions would be helpful 04:31 (and yeah I know I've been the Charisma Stat Defender for purposes of stuff like shop prices and what not but I can easily see the other side of it and I've wanted it to do more things too) 04:35 aoei: initoptions() is done before process_options() in unixmain.c - dgl passes username as a cmdline param 04:36 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 04:37 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 88 points, T:266, killed by a fox 04:37 i tried running with NETHACKOPTIONS=name:Stella and still had the same problem, is it an actual cmdline flag dgl uses? nethackwiki gave an example with that env var rather than an actual cmd arg 04:38 i will look at what initoptions() vs process_options() do, thanks 04:39 the seed and seedlist option functions currently do everything in if (req == do_set) blocks, and do_init does nothing 04:39 this may be important 04:44 wait pet archons don't resist conflict anymore? 04:44 chris: Messages from LarienTelrunya and @riker have been forwarded to you privately. 04:44 thanks 04:44 wat Beholder are you drunk 04:44 those are certainly not for me 04:45 aoei: at least i think that's the reason, from just eyeballing it 04:46 where can i read up about the new conflict rules? 04:46 the golem hp change is weird to me 04:47 found the commit 04:47 someone sort xlog deaths by the golem type 04:47 and see which golem kills the most 04:47 oh wow thats huge for pacis 04:47 and then see which ones got buffed 04:47 can you get your cha above 18? 04:48 hmm 04:48 Via ring, yes 04:48 (I forget what specifically it was called) 04:49 ring of adornment 04:49 Right, right 04:49 Why was my brain saying "endornment"... 04:49 but there is always a chance 04:49 at least 1/20 chance 04:49 pacifists cant use conflict with archon pet anymore 04:50 While in sight of the player, anyway 04:50 And that's not easily solved via blindfold either 04:50 which is probably always the case when its relevant 04:50 Yep 04:50 Thing is wouldn't a sufficiently leveled Archon pet fight most anything? 04:51 Pertinent to "braining up workarounds" 04:51 its not about that 04:51 conflict was def. OP 04:51 I know it's not specifically ABOUT that, just asking for info's sake 04:52 the nerf in general is fine, i just don't know if i agree with the nerf specifically for pacis 04:52 chris: hi, can you share a link to the commit please? 04:52 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/2f255560252b0c18ed468baf94b58654bd5413f7#diff-a500308df052c3e7116e1546d6feac897e7cee73696f30546e1c397d51e71192 04:52 thx 04:52 chris: I sensed as much, which is why I'm trying to get into the meat of it and see if there isn't a way to adjust 04:53 there isn't, it will be at least a 1/20 chance always 04:53 rnd(20) is 1 to 20 inclusive 04:53 Not in terms of the pet resisting, I mean making it so that the pet themselves doesn't come under conflict to begin with 04:53 Hence my bringing up line of sight 04:54 can archons see invisible 04:54 Might need to use like, a jelly buffer or something perhaps 04:54 I'm p. sure? 04:54 @v?Archon 04:54 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -6 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Alignment: 15 | Flags: flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 04:54 Archon (A) | Lvl: 19 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 16 | Res: fire cold sleep shock poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -6 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 2d4 weapon physical, 2d6 gaze blind, 1d8 claw physical, 4d6 cast spell | Alignment: 15 | Flags: flies, regenerates, seeinvis, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 04:54 :V 04:55 i thought we solved the Beholder/Pinoclone issue, why are both bots in here 04:55 whats the difference between couldsee and cansee 04:55 idk check the source 04:55 probably couldsee is things you remember 04:55 ok so the MR check is disabled 04:55 yeah monMR doesn't affect it anymore 04:56 our resident paci player hasn't moved to libera yet 04:56 wait chris i think you're reading this backwards 04:56 Hmmm. This is going to make pacifism interesting. 04:57 it basically means no more conflict for pacis with archon pets i am pretty sure, i can't think of a good workaround yet 04:57 Line of sight? I'd always imagined conflict was more a hearing thing 04:57 aoei: hm? 04:57 chris: that's not correct 04:58 Oh? 04:58 there is always at least a 1/20 chance that a pet will not resist conflict 04:58 if your cha and xl are high, there's still a minimum 1/20 chance that the monster *will* resist 04:58 because of the min function 04:59 hm wait 04:59 oh 04:59 there's an upper bound of 19 on the sum cha+xl-monlvl 04:59 err 04:59 Which still presents an issue of pet Archons slapping your shit 05:00 Just not for the reasons previously thought 05:00 and a d20 roll above that means they resist conflict 05:00 resist_chance has to be 1 or lower right 05:00 While we're at it, is this check done upon conflict being triggered? 05:00 archon's base level is 19 05:00 so if your cha+xl are below that, archon will still always resist 05:00 Or is this checked re-rolled every turn? 05:00 but that gets a bit iffy 05:00 so for paci i want low cha 05:01 since late-game your xl will likely be at least xl14 05:01 Because lol quest 05:01 archon will be very high level in the mid-to-late 05:01 i think you need 25 or so to attack the quest leader 05:01 hm yeah your archon pet can also level up 05:01 which helps a lot 05:01 and then you need to further increase the level in order for it to attack rodney 05:01 idk if that's capped 05:01 reducing your cha and increasing the archon's level both help 05:02 its not capped with potions of gain level 05:02 :o 05:02 yeah so paci with archon is still viable 05:02 hooray 05:02 -!- NetSysFire has quit [*.net *.split] 05:02 -!- paxed has quit [*.net *.split] 05:02 -!- lorimer has quit [*.net *.split] 05:02 -!- mariari has quit [*.net *.split] 05:02 -!- demilichen has quit [*.net *.split] 05:02 -!- aosdict has quit [*.net *.split] 05:02 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 05:02 yep 05:03 but cha has to be _very_ low 05:03 if we assume archon ML of 25 05:03 well, depends also on how quickly you level up 05:03 cha has to be 11 05:03 but yeah 05:03 well you need to be 14 for the quest 05:03 well cha 11 is average for some roles but if you're doing healer 05:03 right, but you can delay quest til you've levelled up your archon more 05:04 Healer get high cha typically tho lol? 05:04 healer starts with 16 to 17 cha avg 05:04 yeah 05:04 that's awks 05:04 cuz Healer is normally the best role 05:04 Healer, Knight, Tourist 05:04 for paci 05:04 lol 05:04 Yeah, still a potential shithousing in play for paci, just not as severe 05:04 i know ways of permanently increasing Cha but not of decreasing... aside from stat rerolls through polyself $race 05:05 negatively enchanted ring of adornment 05:05 Umbire: idk if i see it like that 05:05 chris: yeah i thought of that it's just not permanent 05:05 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 05:05 you have to have the ring on 05:05 well, you can maybe try eating it as a xorn? 05:05 or eat it if possible 05:05 yeah but 05:05 ye 05:05 that's a bit iffy toot ho 05:05 it might not be edible 05:05 indeed 05:05 idek how you negatively enchant a ring 05:06 hm 05:06 cursed charging? 05:06 yeah im not sure either 05:06 yeah cursed works 05:06 paci can level drain themself after quest with the staff 05:06 yeah that's handy 05:06 aoei: I said "potential", I'm not 100% on how this shakes out 05:07 Since you just now clarified how this works 05:07 its super wonky though 05:07 its not at all straightforward 05:07 idk "potential shithousing" just sounds a bit negative 05:07 -!- paxed has joined #hardfought 05:07 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 05:07 -!- NetSysFire has joined #hardfought 05:07 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 05:07 -!- mariari has joined #hardfought 05:07 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 05:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvvv paxed aosdict bhaak lorimer] by iridium.libera.chat 05:07 -!- demilichen has joined #hardfought 05:07 doing pet and player XL management for paci was annoying enough 05:07 think of it as a large scale paci rebalancing, and an interesting challenge to re-evaluate strats 05:08 Also the more you reduce charisma / level for pet, the less useful conflict becomes? 05:08 Graznop: that's an element of the balancing act too 05:08 yes 05:08 yeah now non-pets would resist more easay 05:08 i still think this will result in conflict being a no-no for paci 05:09 maybe 05:09 Maybe just suffer a hit from the A every few rounds? 05:09 no, thats unacceptable 05:09 what if you kept it out of melee range 05:09 That's potentially a death sentence, considering the blinding gaze Archons use 05:10 oh right it can still stun you at range lol 05:10 play with a blindfold on :p 05:10 the question is will they use their gaze attack from the distance 05:10 against the player 05:10 aoei: I mean it's being interpreted as such right now, I was just going along with that 05:10 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:10 even then you had to micromanage rings 05:10 Blindfold would shut off conflict though wouldn't it? 05:10 if the _monster_ had a blindfold 05:10 Umbire: that depends whether or not they fixed cansee() 05:10 Right 05:11 the old code assumed monsters can see you if they can see you 05:11 er 05:11 if you can see them* 05:11 lol 05:11 Hence why EotO were dangerous for Medusa's island 05:11 Among other shit 05:11 (iirc) 05:11 wait can she turn you to stone through your astral vision? 05:12 I think that's a danger that'd come up with the artifacts 05:12 i thought it just made casters cast stuff when you look at them through mazes 05:12 EotO breaks zen conflict 05:12 That much I remember for sure 05:13 you mean zen conduct 05:13 -!- NetSysFire has quit [*.net *.split] 05:13 -!- paxed has quit [*.net *.split] 05:13 -!- lorimer has quit [*.net *.split] 05:13 -!- mariari has quit [*.net *.split] 05:13 -!- demilichen has quit [*.net *.split] 05:13 -!- aosdict has quit [*.net *.split] 05:13 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 05:13 As you can see this discussion has caused conflict within my two brain cells 05:13 For fuck's sake 05:14 o.o 05:14 Netsplit city got brought with u 05:14 us* 05:14 But yeah, I have the word currently engraved on my grey matter 6_9 05:17 i wonder if the beholder messages were for chris_ang instead as for me 05:17 looks like it 05:17 which chris are you 05:17 chrisE? 05:17 stenno 05:17 aoei: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/The_Eyes_of_the_Overworld#Strategy 05:18 chris: ohhhh 05:18 i didn't realise it was you lmao 05:18 Ohey stenno 05:18 6_9/ 05:18 Me either 05:18 Umbire: oh yeah i see the Medusa bit now 05:18 It's a problem for gaze attacks in general so Archons under conflict are relevant there also 05:18 i wonder if that has been fixed now tho 05:18 Umbire: nope 05:19 the Eyes protect you specifically from that one gaze attack that Archons have 05:19 those messages were from 2018 lol 05:19 Well it overrides the blindness 05:19 But point made 05:19 no 05:19 -!- paxed has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- aosdict has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- NetSysFire has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- mariari has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vvvv paxed aosdict bhaak lorimer] by iridium.libera.chat 05:19 -!- demilichen has joined #hardfought 05:19 "Protects against Archon's stunning gaze" 05:19 okay I'm back and gonna continue my run; Umbire: is your internet still shit? 05:20 Probably not as shit but my focus is too elsewhere anyway 05:20 I MIGHT try in a bit, though it's 5am for me 05:20 whoa that's late 05:20 aoei: Well that's tits, no mention in the main body of the article 05:20