00:01 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 00:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed ThatBenGuy's ghost, the former Priest, on T:14630 00:11 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Val Cen Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:10697 00:12 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:21 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Val Cen Fem Neu) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:11296 00:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:26071 00:37 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Val Cen Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:12555 00:38 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:20021 00:39 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Val Cen Fem Neu), 50808 points, T:12626, killed by Yeenoghu, while paralyzed by a monster 00:40 <@ShivanHunter> D: 00:40 <@ShivanHunter> !lastgame guest99987 00:40 @ShivanHunter: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/g/guest99987/evilhack/dumplog/1621372531.evil.html 00:40 -!- Luxor_s has joined #hardfought 00:40 <@ShivanHunter> rippp 00:43 -!- Luxor has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:43 Brutal stunlock there. 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed Eyes of the Overworld", on T:20485 00:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:47 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 00:55 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 01:06 [hdf-us] [slex] Abdlabl (Yeo Alc Fem Law), 32 points, T:9, slipped while mounting a monster (a saddled pony) 01:16 Oh wow, changes to touch of death. 01:17 Touch of death is dead. 01:17 Still scary as shit without magic resistance, enough to be literal death if you're caught early enough, but not an outright "lol you lose" across the board. 01:17 Hm. 01:18 Far more interesting at minimum. 01:20 Oh my god, caster knight dream real? 01:21 Mm~ 01:22 So does that mean Orcus won't spam his wand of death any more? 01:22 If he sees you resist it, then yes, he won't. 01:22 Saves charges for Rodney down the line. 01:22 Actually great, honestly. 01:22 mm 01:23 Also has ramifications for stolen wands, too. 01:23 Well, other stolen wands. 01:23 ? 01:24 never mind. 01:24 To clarify, I meant things like nymphs and such stealing your own wands. 01:24 Mm 01:25 May make shopkeepers harder to kill for early wizards, too. 01:25 Because they'll actually attack you rather than using their wands. 01:25 Ah. 01:25 Is that what you meant by other stolen wands? 01:25 ...this might also apply to monsters picking up wands from fallen comrades. 01:25 I meant wands you loot from kills. 01:26 Possibly the other monster also knows not to use the wand on you. 01:26 Aha. 01:26 Yeah, that means you get mostly intact wands after a fight. 01:26 ...it also means Dispater isn't likely to waste his wand of striking on you. 01:30 I'm wondering if it could be exploitable. Say you're fighting a red dragon. You wield Fire Brand for temporary fire resistance, let it see you resist fire and it'll never use that attack again even if you wield something else to start shooting it. Or you could wield Magicbane even if you lack dagger skill to convince someone to stop using that wand. 01:30 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 4279 points, T:5437, killed by an ettin mummy 01:30 Big if true. 01:31 Granted, it would feel slightly more like you're exploiting the psychology of an enemy fighter as opposed to gaming a system than it did previously. 01:31 mm~ 01:32 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 01:33 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:35 <@ShivanHunter> whoa. Speed boots and +2 crystal plate mail on dlvl 1 01:35 <@ShivanHunter> inb4 killed by a grid bug 01:35 In Evil, right? 01:35 <@ShivanHunter> yeppp 01:35 <@ShivanHunter> so CPM is actually good :D 01:35 !whereis ShivanHunter 01:35 Umbire: [hdf-us] ShivanHunter [evil]: (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 01:36 And you're an illithid, hm. 01:36 No point looking this gift u in the mouth, just hope you can find a BoH or something soon. 01:36 <@ShivanHunter> yeppp 01:36 <@ShivanHunter> but I tend to stash a lot anyway so it's fine 01:38 Have fun being burdened.~ 01:38 Though a +2 crystal plate mail might be worth it. 01:38 <@ShivanHunter> pfffft, I'll just walk around stressed all the time 01:38 <@ShivanHunter> actually the speed boots do mitigate it a bit 01:39 >playing Un on mobile again 01:39 >Frontier Town 01:39 >no general store specifically 01:39 Pain. 01:39 <@ShivanHunter> F 01:39 <@ShivanHunter> I hate useless minetowns 01:39 F 01:39 Plenty of use, just... no junk disposal. 01:39 Doesn't Adventure Town have a general store? 01:40 Have to run all the way back up to the main branch. 01:40 * Umbire cries. 01:40 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 01:40 F 01:43 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 01:43 And now there's an invisible nymph around. 01:43 * Umbire cries. 01:45 And then my dog got pulped by a gold golem. 01:45 wasn't there a trick where you put a line of flour or something in the doorways so you'll know that a spirit has been there? 01:45 Try that 01:53 Well, caught the nymph finally. 01:53 Then almost got lightning. Thank god for -10 AC. 01:57 <@ShivanHunter> ooooooh a blessed magic lamp 01:58 <@ShivanHunter> !rng wish for Dragonbane | wish for Dragonbane 01:58 @ShivanHunter: wish for Dragonbane 01:58 <@ShivanHunter> hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm 02:02 Why Dragonbane? 02:02 <@ShivanHunter> reflection and acid resistance and some sweet AC 02:02 But also an NPC coinflip. 02:02 <@ShivanHunter> ^ 02:02 <@ShivanHunter> 50/50 chance to just get pwn3d 02:03 Whereas GoP would make carrying shit around not suck plasteel dicks. 02:03 But they're not Dragonbane. 02:03 ah~ 02:03 <@ShivanHunter> could handle it if I got a wish later, but my last game was a real dead-end at both the Quest and Castle 02:03 <@ShivanHunter> well, would have been a dead-end at the Castle if the titan hadn;t killed me :7 02:03 But you can't wish for artifacts using a magic lamp, can you? 02:03 You can. 02:04 what variant is this again? 02:04 <@ShivanHunter> can't you? In evilhack it just means there's a chance of getting the artifact's owner 02:04 <@ShivanHunter> Evilhack 02:04 ^ 02:04 ah, ok. 02:04 You might be thinking of UnNetHack. 02:04 <@ShivanHunter> it's another one (Un I think?) that does the special restrictions 02:04 <@ShivanHunter> ^ 02:04 UnNetHack works that way, yeah. 02:04 But you can wish for a shield of reflection. 02:14 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:15 Mm, now I'd like a bag. 02:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:9612 02:23 Oh baller, Izchak has two magic lamps. 02:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:10293 02:27 <@ShivanHunter> Wish for Dragonbane! :D 02:31 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 02:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Maud (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:5742 02:32 Not Evil. 02:32 Same mobile Un game. 02:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Maud (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:5825 02:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Aegis", on T:44008 02:46 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered Minetown, on T:2766, rt[0:23:54] 02:47 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:2818, rt[0:24:39] 02:50 Piss, uncursed and cursed. 02:50 Eh, I'll figure it out down the line. 02:53 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:01 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:07 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 03:11 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:15 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 11398 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Maganasipi's general store, on T:1114 03:17 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 03:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 7580 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Inuvik's general store, on T:1708 03:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non) killed Zuggtmoy, on T:44950 03:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non) wished for "Blessed fixed Garnet Rod", on T:44997 03:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non) wished for "blessed fixed stethoscope", on T:45005 03:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 3190 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Ossipewsk's liquor emporium, on T:3150 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3444 03:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3904 points, T:3483, killed by an ape 03:54 -!- nicole has quit [Killed (grumble (My fellow staff so-called 'friends' are about to hand over account data to a non-staff member. If you care about your data, drop your NickServ account NOW before that happens.))] 04:07 -!- ilbelkyr has joined #hardfought 04:07 -!- ilbelkyr is now known as nicole 04:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7276 04:16 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2300 points, T:3232, killed by a jaguar 04:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a green dragon, on T:7508 04:25 -!- Luxor_s has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:2047, rt[0:09:05] 04:26 <@DarkLightDragon> "Ruby drops a red gem." This is adorable. Also, I hope it turns out to be a ruby. 04:26 <@ShivanHunter> lol 04:26 Alright, so you lot are gonna want to see this now. 04:26 http://techrights.org/2021/05/13/private-internet-access-and-freenode/ https://p.haavard.me/407 https://gist.github.com/joepie91/df80d8d36cd9d1bde46ba018af497409 04:26 K2, Tangles: ^ 04:26 we've been talking about it on and off for a few days Umbire 04:26 <@DarkLightDragon> I should go and change my pet names, though. Naming my nh kitty after my rl kitty hasn't been a good idea 04:27 Yeah, well it's happening now. 04:27 the general consensus is wait-and-see 04:27 Those staff drafts you saw aren't likely to be drafts anymore. 04:27 amateurhour: Yeah, but the way it's currently looking... 04:27 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 982 points, T:2226, killed by a black naga hatchling 04:28 still a lot of 'if' 04:29 so same situation as a few days ago 04:29 nothing has changed with one more writeup of it 04:29 I mean. 04:29 grumble just got done /killing chanops on their way out the door, so. 04:29 though #hardfought has a natural place to go in such an event anyway -> roguelikes discord 04:31 I'm just posting those links to get people caught up in case questions start being asked. 04:32 That mass /kill seems to have been completely unplanned and is pushing shit forward, a bunch of the staff haven't even rejoined yet. 04:33 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3384 04:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) had a bone crude dagger bestowed upon him by Moloch, on T:60960 04:35 well hopefully they let us do junethack first at least before imploding :) 04:43 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1709, rt[0:15:25] 04:48 [hdf-eu] [seed] Hill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34249, rt[22:16:29] 04:49 [hdf-eu] [spl] mk2021 (Wiz Elf Nbn Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:31937 04:49 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 04:50 [hdf-eu] [seed] Hill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34256, rt[22:18:04] 04:51 <@Joanna> Yeah that article doesn't add all that much, but interesting that the story is gaining wider publicity 04:51 Umbire: Eh? What did I miss? 04:51 <@Joanna> Not much, Arahael 04:51 grumble killed a bunch of ops and spooked everyone so naturally people are panicking now. 04:52 <@Joanna> One user in #Freenode claimed Mr Lee is accusing Freenode of taking millions of monies and not recording what it was spent on 04:53 <@Joanna> Who or what is grumble? 04:53 One of the freenode ops 04:53 /killed the rest on their way out 04:53 <@Joanna> Well that just sounds like a child throwing a tantrum 04:53 <@Joanna> Hardly important 04:53 do we move to discord now 04:54 <@Joanna> Not yet stenno 04:54 The contingency was to move to libera.chat, so. 04:54 i should get familiar with the platform anyway 04:54 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:55 <@Joanna> Sure, Umbire, that's the suggestion of some of the Freenode ops 04:55 <@Joanna> But we already have a roguelike discord 04:55 <@Joanna> Setting up new channel and bridge bot could be done later on 04:55 <@Joanna> We'd obviously just move to discord initially 04:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (rust monsters), on T:10670 04:56 I know, just informing. 04:58 <@Joanna> You stated it as if (some of) Freenode's contingency was by default ours 05:01 Their* contingency was to move to libera.chat, so. 05:01 ^Better? 05:01 <@Joanna> Sure but the "so" at the end still sounds a lil patronising :-P 05:02 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/844500250341146634/bonk.jpg 05:02 [hdf-eu] [spl] mk2021 (Wiz Elf Nbn Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:32373 05:03 there is already a freenode alternative: oftc 05:03 "Time for some bonking; I likes a bit of bonking" 05:03 <@Joanna> Begs the question, so what? 05:04 <@Joanna> Lol Pinkbeast 05:04 'kay. 05:04 i will move to discord before moving to another irc network 05:04 I'm gonna be frank, this is coming off the tail end of me having a bit of a personal episode, so. 05:04 <@Joanna> If you clone my repo you can mine your first Arsepound 05:04 Gonna be a little short-fused. 05:04 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 05:04 <@Joanna> What should the three letter abbrev be 🤔 05:05 <@Joanna> APD? 05:05 ARS: but I'm trying to work out what the hell the whole freenode thing meansd 05:05 <@Joanna> Oh yeah ARS is way better 05:05 <@Joanna> Thanks 05:07 <@Joanna> I ought to get in on some ARS mining, before others get in and it gets harder 05:07 Ah, but when the difficulty rises you just have to # no this is not a hardfought convo 05:08 <@Joanna> lmao 05:09 <@Joanna> true, true 05:10 <@Joanna> incase anyone is confused i invented my own cryptocoin, a fork of buttcoin and asspenny: arsepound 05:10 <@Joanna> https://github.com/aoeixsz4/arsepound 05:11 speaking of shitcoin, doge just took a nosedive with everything else 05:11 <@Joanna> Oh damn 05:12 <@Joanna> still not synced all the blocks 05:12 Mayhaps the worth of a currency hinging on some billionaire's tweets was a warning of some kind. 05:13 Umbire: Not, alas, yet enough of one. Although they have cracked 40k (downwards) :-) 05:13 <@Joanna> Gee, you think? 05:14 Yeah, I think. 05:14 You know, a little. 05:14 Just a smidge. 05:15 <@Joanna> A teensy hint perhaps? 05:16 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1777 points, T:4764, killed by a locust 05:20 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:25 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 05:31 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 05:37 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 05:38 imagine the value of a currency depending on what one bloke says 05:38 [an image of Boris Johnson smiling at the camera] 05:39 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 05:39 What fresh hell is that? 05:39 -!- joes has left #hardfought 05:41 <@Joanna> How is the pound atm anyway 05:41 I hear it's arse 05:41 why is inflation even a thing 05:41 <@Joanna> Nice, I set it up, you nailed it 05:41 !gosh 05:41 <@Joanna> :p 05:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) polymorphed his first object, on T:61074 05:42 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:1968, rt[0:24:59] 05:42 <@ShivanHunter> ^ it should say what the object was tbh 05:43 conduct lost :( 05:43 <@ShivanHunter> rip 05:43 rip 05:43 <@Joanna> :( 05:43 <@ShivanHunter> probably more like "not bothering to polypile until then" if it's anything like my games 05:43 -!- Xjs has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:44 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 05:49 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown, on T:2788, rt[0:31:33] 05:49 <@ShivanHunter> wish I could tell which sokoban door is the tool :( need object detection 05:49 object detection is just a crutch, use pure instinct to know where it is 05:50 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Hum Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "123", on T:3019, rt[0:33:30] 05:53 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:58 -!- Arahael has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.7.1] 05:59 -!- arahael has joined #hardfought 06:00 -!- arahael has quit [Client Quit] 06:00 <@Joanna> Where the memes at y'all 06:01 -!- arahael has joined #hardfought 06:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Mal Una) wished for "blessed spellbook of acid blast", on T:61248 06:12 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 06:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] DarkLightDragon (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3038 06:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] DarkLightDragon (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3092 06:14 <@DarkLightDragon> Queen Flippy strikes again! 06:20 Joanna: Also, I'm not moving to discord. :) 06:20 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 06:21 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a hill orc corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:3882, rt[1:04:07] 06:22 arahael: ok fair but 06:22 then we'll never see eachother again 😢 06:23 we'll just go back to the good ol' days of carrier pigeons 06:23 oh right yeah 06:23 perfect for shitposting, as we discussed 06:23 aoei: I'm willing to try any other network that has good clients, though. Including matrix, very keen to try that actually. 06:23 I've heard mixed reviews 06:24 some people like it, others have told me it's a garbage fire 06:24 I guess I'll find out. 06:24 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 06:25 fwiw, the ones who like it, they like the UX 06:25 I'll remain on here as long as necessary to establish contacts elsewhere, probably. 06:25 aoei: how does an open standard have UX 06:25 the one(s) who disliked it were talking about the infra and codebase/design 06:25 aosdict: well they were probably talking about particular clients and their experience with those 06:25 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:26 I'd just use dicksword and call it a day 06:26 nani 06:26 that's like saying you don't like chatting on irc because mirc sucks 06:26 Umbire: Likewise, and frankly, I suspect freenode will stay, though it'll be a different network, if this all turns out, anwyay. 06:26 imma move to discord too 06:27 it has been a fun 11 years 06:27 aosdict: Hang on... discord has alternative clients? 06:27 mostly 06:27 arahael: he's talking about matrix 06:27 no, discord isn't an open protocol 06:28 aosdict: an open standard has UX vicariously through the available clients, and the standard itself defines/constrains aspects of UX 06:28 there's a nethack channel on the discord that's not linked to #nethack 06:28 I wonder what it's like 06:28 the discord application is sniffing in the memory of other processes btw (firefox, chrome, steam, ...) 06:28 deki: Yikes. 06:28 here's why I don't like the discord: I installed the desktop client once, and it somehow detected that I was playing xnethack locally and automatically showed me as "playing xnethack". I have no idea how it did that but it's way too invasive 06:28 Isn't that specifically the desktop client? 06:28 <@DarkLightDragon> I had to kill a coaligned unicorn because it was blocking my path in soko 😦 06:28 deki: can it *do* that? 06:28 It can. 06:29 But that's why I use it via browser. 06:29 would something like firejail stop that? 06:29 it's using ptrace, yes. i noticed when i built an apparmor profile for it 06:29 the fuck 06:29 Still have pretty much all the essential features without any of all that. 06:29 yes, in the browser it's more sandboxed 06:30 note to self, look into this apparmor thingy 06:30 do i want to my client to be in the browser though 06:30 aoei: i have my apparmor profile for discord here if you are interested: https://codeberg.org/reinerh/apparmor-profiles/src/branch/trunk/usr.share.discord.Discord 06:30 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:4150, rt[1:13:10] 06:30 Bet. 06:30 oh, you're reinerh 06:30 I'll keep it too for the future. 06:30 yes 06:31 you submited something to NHS once, a bug report or so 06:31 thanks for that 06:31 right :) 06:31 but anyway 06:31 Ah, that's where I saw the name. 06:31 so would firejail be enough? 06:31 amateurhour: i guess so, didn't test it 06:31 i will confirm this ptrace allegation 06:31 this is why I don't just say "I would just move to discord", I would really hate doing ALL the stuff I do thru a browser 06:31 and then delet discord 06:31 and boycott them 06:31 because that's outrageous behaviour 06:32 firejail uses a private-bin in their discord profile, so it doesn't see other binaries. 06:32 i thought it was kinda bad that they log stuff but like wtf 06:32 oh and the yani archive would go bye bye probably because I'd lose easily accessible logs 06:32 moving the whole freenode network to another server will be chaos though 06:32 *is chaos. 06:33 ok it seems this ptracing thing is well-known 06:33 like you cannot just move 1000+ people channel to another network 06:33 then the new ops need to established and stuff like that 06:33 Yeah, no one's expecting it to be easy in the slightest. 06:33 and maybe some master trole just takes the ##javascript channel 06:33 well it will be impossible 06:33 dunno what they are thinking 06:34 noone knows we'll just have to wait it out 06:35 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 06:37 deki: do i need to change /usr/share/discord/Discord to the path of my binary? 06:37 stenno: my reading is that if this thing actually kills freenode.net (which I still feel is unlikely), it will only be the domain freenode.net 06:37 so what is the actual issue 06:37 the servers and users and nickserv/chanserv will all still be there 06:37 ^ 06:37 ah 06:37 Trying to use the domain to seize the rest. 06:37 so it will just be on a new domain 06:37 everyone will have to point their irc client at whatever new domain 06:37 and the issue is solve 06:37 aoei: yes, that's the path to the binary. you can then load it with "apparmor_parser -r $path_to_profile" 06:37 d 06:38 so there is not actually anything much happen 06:38 Not JUST yet, besides the current panic. 06:38 i wonder why ops are resigning left and right 06:38 deki: mkay 06:38 Great time to start drafting contingencies and spread the word, though. 06:38 stenno: Precisely because of what Andrew Lee's doing. 06:39 stenno: They don't want to be responsible for handing over any data, is my understanding. 06:39 tempted to just delete and boycott discord tho, this is really outrageous behaviour 06:39 why would there be any data handed over 06:39 Because of the domain seizure 06:39 aoei: in the profile ptrace to steam is still allowed. you might want to change that. 06:39 how does owning a domain entails you to owning whats behind it 06:39 Could compel the volunteer staff to hand over said data 06:40 can i make lolwut.com and point it to google.com and then i own google 06:40 lol 06:40 deki: ah right. well i will consider this if/when i install steam again 06:40 i would run apparmor_parser as root or can i do it as user for programs like discord i run as user? 06:41 It's a lot of legal murkiness involves. 06:41 no, profiles need to be loaded as root 06:41 involved, even. 06:41 ok 06:42 you can check with aa-status if it's loaded and if the running program is confined. and in the kernel log you will see if it tries to access something that's not allowed/denied in the profile. 06:43 dmesg? 06:43 yes 06:43 kk 06:43 tyvm 06:43 So how to get apparmor working, anyhow. 06:43 yw 06:43 I plan to let it work with steam, so that bit won't be an issue. 06:43 in debian it's enabled by default. you just need some profiles then 06:44 Ah, so it's a Linux-specific thing, then. 06:44 Hmm. 06:44 it's installed and enabled already on Manjaro too 06:44 with a few stock profiles already included 06:44 you can add this to the kernel cmdline: "apparmor=1 security=apparmor" (in your grub conf), then it is enabled. 06:44 Right, so what I'm hearing is "get Linux setup posthaste". 06:44 Thanks a bunch. 06:44 (No, really. I appreciate the information.) 06:45 np :) 06:45 huh i started discord but aa-status still says 0 processes have profiles defined. i will check htop, maybe /usr/bin/discord was just a loader script 06:45 ah yeah /opt/discord/Discord is the actual thing on my system 06:48 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5338, rt[1:31:07] 06:48 Oh, aoei, if you don't have me filtered out or whatever, I'd like asc.run's help in getting Linux prepped. 06:51 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Rog Vam Mal Cha), 2389 points, T:1784, killed by a human zombie, while fainted from lack of food 06:53 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 06:53 Matrix is indeed a mess. 06:54 -!- Merlek has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:54 i like matrix :) 06:54 I tried a bunch of clients, didn't like them. Deleted them. Then tried Element... And element wants me to "Complete security". 06:55 seems better than some close app that tries to ptrace random programs on your computer D: 06:55 closed* 06:55 how do i delete apparmor profiles that are already loaded tho 06:55 <@DarkLightDragon> oh god, I don't remember how to do 4b. And it's flipped. 06:55 cuz i messed up and now i can't load the new one 06:55 DarkLightDragon: F 06:56 <@DarkLightDragon> At least I have a pickaxe 06:56 ah ok i found how i think 06:57 aoei: -R seems to remove profiles 06:57 yeah 06:57 i just found it lol 06:57 arahael: did you try nheko? https://github.com/Nheko-Reborn/nheko also seems to be quite popular (though I use element) 06:58 wtf does "Complete security" mean anyway 06:58 deki: I'm looking at ios clients for now. 06:58 ah ok 06:58 https://fluffychat.im/ did you see this one? 06:59 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 06:59 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 8105 points, T:6878, killed by a gargoyle 06:59 deki: Yeah, that one is broken. 06:59 oh :/ 07:01 [hdf-eu] [slshm] HarmathZsolt (Und Gno Fem Neu), 11703 points, T:13208, poisoned by a killer bee 07:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] DarkLightDragon (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6820 points, T:4739, killed by a flesh golem, while praying 07:03 -!- hrodpreht[m] has joined #hardfought 07:03 Hey deki :D 07:04 * hrodpreht[m] peers at arahael 07:04 Looks like it's working nicely. 07:04 which one are you using now 07:04