00:01 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3160, rt[0:06:22] 00:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 145 points, T:710, killed by an uninjured hobbit 00:03 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4065, rt[0:08:15] 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Cav Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2169 00:04 [hdf-us] [slth] Abdlabl (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 136 points, T:35, killed by a water moccasin 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 1724 points, T:2956, killed by a slightly wounded jaguar 00:16 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 7347 points, T:2807, killed by a priest of Anhur 00:16 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 00:21 [hdf-us] [slth] Abdlabl (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 2886 points, T:2607, killed by a gnome king 00:22 [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha), 349 points, T:527, killed by a water moccasin 00:22 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 561 points, T:709, killed by a hobbit 00:23 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 cursed genocide", on T:10448, rt[0:28:22] 00:24 [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha), 318 points, T:480, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 00:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non) was given Nodensfork, on T:24589 00:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:10781, rt[0:29:49] 00:26 !who 00:26 K2: [hdf-us] KrO2 [dnh] vor [dnh] luxor [slshm] Luxidream [seed] | [hdf-eu] wvc [un] | [hdf-au] No current players 00:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy ring of conflict", on T:11222, rt[0:32:30] 00:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "", on T:11315, rt[0:33:20] 00:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:11327, rt[0:33:39] 00:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:11329, rt[0:33:43] 00:31 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:11756, rt[0:36:17] 00:31 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:11758, rt[0:36:18] 00:32 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:12061, rt[0:37:13] 00:33 [hdf-eu] [un] wvc (Con Vam Fem Cha), 1041 points, T:2418, killed by a killer bee 00:33 [hdf-us] [fh] goka (gokajern) (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "The blessed Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:45009 00:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:12752, rt[0:39:54] 00:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:12758, rt[0:39:56] 00:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:13243, rt[0:41:25] 00:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:13391, rt[0:42:18] 00:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:13392, rt[0:42:19] 00:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy fixed greased +2 helmofoppositealignment", on T:13564, rt[0:43:28] 00:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:13567, rt[0:43:30] 00:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:14307, rt[0:46:44] 00:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:14820, rt[0:48:56] 00:45 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "3 cursed gain level", on T:14985, rt[0:50:15] 00:46 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Abdlabl (Mon Inc Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1511 00:47 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:15433, rt[0:51:37] 00:47 [hdf-us] [fh] goka (gokajern) (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +1 cloak of displacement", on T:45013 00:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 261447 points, T:15835, [0:52:45], killed by the slightly wounded Wizard of Yendor 00:48 F 00:48 !lastgame Luxidream 00:48 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/setseed/dumplog/1619841334.seed.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/slex/dumplog/1544654684.slex.txt 00:48 [hdf-us] [fh] goka (gokajern) (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +1 helm of brilliance", on T:45015 00:48 <@luxidream> lag spike -> death 00:49 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Rog Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3785 00:49 Ah 00:49 deathstrike stole the Amulet 00:49 insult to injury, that 00:50 [hdf-us] [fh] goka (gokajern) (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:45026 00:56 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:07 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:07 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Rog Orc Mal Cha) destroyed zor's ghost, the former Plunderer, on T:4858 01:07 -!- bouquet_ has joined #hardfought 01:08 NetSysFire: your idea is a SMOP, of course slex already has a nastytrap that repeatedly hits your items with fire, cold, shock or poison, but without that unnecessary elemental that would be annoyingly difficult to code anyway :P 01:10 I'll SMOP your programming 01:10 * Umbire wields a mop! 01:11 lol in slex the mop is a very useless melee weapon, two-handed but only does d6/d5 melee damage :P 01:11 YASLEXI: skilled or higher in the mop's class of weapon should let you wield it one-handed 01:12 :B 01:12 anyway gtg now 01:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 01:12 -!- crankyCat has joined #hardfought 01:13 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [*.net *.split] 01:13 -!- hothraxxa has quit [*.net *.split] 01:13 -!- bouquet has quit [*.net *.split] 01:13 -!- unsound has quit [*.net *.split] 01:13 -!- Gaelan has quit [*.net *.split] 01:18 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 01:21 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 01:23 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 01:23 -!- Gaelan has joined #hardfought 02:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Muad (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:4943 02:04 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 02:05 -!- crankyCat has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:11 -!- crankyCat has joined #hardfought 02:20 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Rog Orc Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:5762 02:24 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:6084 02:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non), 586378 points, T:26526, escaped 02:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:3381 02:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3715 02:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:3981 03:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:06 luxidream: rip 03:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non), 568 points, T:1531, killed by a gnome 03:08 we need to call a general meeting of the nethack setseed council 03:12 You swap places with your skeleton. 03:12 !! 03:12 good morning, Muad :) 03:12 how are you today? 03:12 good morning 03:13 i'm fine, except trapped inside my (now exo-)skeleton apparently 03:13 still thinking about how that would work. 03:13 hahaha 03:13 i need to make an online poll somewhere about nh-setseed having separate version number or not 03:20 https://doodle.com/poll/tfg2ubfe7p4r4tet <-- pls topic this K2 03:42 -!- Graznop has joined #hardfought 03:48 [hdf-au] [un] PeachMuffin (Kni Hum Fem Law), 606 points, T:993, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted coyote, while reading a book 03:56 <@luxidream> !rng responsible adult actions | stay up all night 03:56 @luxidream: stay up all night 03:56 <@luxidream> ok 03:57 lmao 04:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 817 points, T:1217, killed by an uninjured gnome lady 04:02 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 709 points, T:2583, killed by a giant mosquito, while sleeping 04:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Muad (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9134 04:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 728 points, T:1813, killed by a giant mosquito 04:27 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1423 points, T:1853, killed by an uninjured soldier ant 04:41 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 04:41 ELVES WITH WANDS OF SLEEP 04:41 in the soko zoo 04:41 and I hadn't eaten any elves yet for resistance 04:42 raisse: :( 04:42 rip 05:00 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Arc Ang Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1778 05:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (rust monsters), on T:5086 05:07 -!- crankyCat has quit [Quit: crankyCat] 05:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1460 05:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:1501 05:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2861 points, T:1727, killed by a wounded spotted jelly 05:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:1917 05:17 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 05:23 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Arc Ang Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2704 05:30 -!- Anerag has quit [*.net *.split] 05:37 -!- Anerag has joined #hardfought 05:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1417 05:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1306 points, T:1651, killed by an uninjured little dog 05:47 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 05:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 05:56 [hdf-eu] [slex] Choop (Mys Kha Mal Cha), 791 points, T:739, killed by a monster (dwarf secretor), while dressing up 05:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:8753 06:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] commodore96 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1710 points, T:3662, zombified by an elf zombie 06:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non), 372 points, T:493, killed by a grid bug 06:31 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 06:36 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13124 06:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non), 85 points, T:177, killed by a goblin 06:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non), 734 points, T:753, killed by a land mine 06:46 I'm thinking it's time to try and actually beat Evilhack 06:46 you got this 06:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Arc Ang Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3113 06:48 I really wish I got confirmation before rolling random 06:48 But I guess we're going w/ Samuari 06:50 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:13579 06:51 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:13580 06:52 also joining team numpad ... cause I can :) 06:52 booooooo 06:52 hissssssss 06:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:26900 06:55 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:13588 06:58 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed Spellbook of identify", on T:13600 07:00 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of levitation boots entrusted to her by Mars, on T:85131 07:02 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4541, rt[0:30:18] 07:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 581 points, T:2085, killed by an uninjured killer bee 07:17 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5072 points, T:6045, rt[0:45:35], wc[0:45:36], killed by a slightly wounded invisible stalker 07:22 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 07:22 [hdf-us] [evil] NCommander (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 1738 points, T:3455, killed by a fire ant 07:22 nymph level is properly evil 07:23 rip 07:23 !tell amateurhour rip 07:23 Will do, amateurhour! 07:23 rip 07:23 amateurhour: Message from amateurhour at 2021-05-01 07:23 EDT: rip 07:23 K2 may have removed the rip autoresponse but we can approximate it 07:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non), 3320 points, T:2271, killed by a crossbow bolt 07:35 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1774, rt[0:13:00] 07:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:13337 07:46 or we can ask spicy 07:48 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:50 -!- cccrow has joined #hardfought 07:51 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4549, rt[0:29:23] 07:54 are the password use to register encrypted? 07:54 in hardfought 07:54 -!- cccrow has quit [Client Quit] 07:54 -!- cccrow has joined #hardfought 07:55 cccrow: I think the passwords are encrypted, but as it's just a nethack server I don't think it goes all out with securing them 07:55 I wouldn't reuse a password you use for something else 07:56 Use a unique password for everything, and stop caring. :) 07:56 time to change then 07:56 thanks 07:56 it's not like K2 is lax about security or anything, but I also don't think that there's a full salted-hash setup 07:57 don't worry I'll pick a password for you: KXA87nz8uux2EYPy 07:57 lol 07:57 haha 07:57 just use that, noone will guess it 07:58 :) 07:58 amateurhour: Showed up as ******** here. :) 07:58 it shows as hunter2 for me 08:01 well what's done is donw 08:01 i can't find the change pass tho 08:02 I think it might be this: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/password-reset/ 08:02 I think it has to be reset rather than manually changed 08:03 [hdf-us] [slshm] Roger (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 4488 points, T:4337, killed by a dwarf 08:04 oh, i see. thanks 08:09 <@nabru> !coffee 08:09 * Beholder tosses @nabru a vial of protein shake, acquired by Announcy at 13 Kelvin. 08:11 you need to connect to the US server to change password and email. I was connected to AU server. 08:12 so that is why can't see those settings 08:12 * NetSysFire throws a password manager at cccrow 08:12 i have one 08:12 * NetSysFire reads a scroll of root password detection 08:12 I just auto-piloted while typing 08:12 my password 08:13 ah right that's good to know 08:13 also seeing that you cant use i think it was : in the password and its max 20 chars it indicates that they arent stored securely imo 08:15 but ultimately i dont care because my password is unique 08:16 oh what is it? we'll let you know how unique it is 08:16 And the risk is low. I mean, what is an attacker going to do with it? Hack you into the high scores? 08:16 they might play slex on your account tainting it forever 08:17 Sadly I've already had that weak moment. 08:17 they will taint your account with scummed games! 08:17 they will kill your pets repeatedly! 08:17 They might play slex on your account? Amy has arranged an automatic and savage punishment for that. 08:18 no seriously, a griefer may do stupid stuff and get it banned. like naming all your stuff after a german dictator or vulgar stuff. i have seen both in the stats already 08:18 <{Demo}> had a dream I was playing xnh and I had a blue A as a pet and it was sacrificing corpses and got dragonbane lance 08:20 interesting 08:21 -!- cccrow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:21 my fav setup in slex is devil gladiator 08:22 they start with silver equipment but it doesnt harm me 08:22 please dont "fix" that amy, seriously 08:22 too late nerf incoming 08:23 [hdf-us] [slshm] Roger (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 309 points, T:755, killed by a dagger 08:24 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:25 -!- cccrow has joined #hardfought 08:26 its june soon, better get to practicing slex and become one of the chosen few to ever ascend it! 08:26 \o/ 08:27 sounds like there'll be a few of us trying it in june 08:27 if there's anyone that can do it it'll be microlance or mobileuser 08:28 amateurhour i hereby challenge you to slex to the death in junethack 08:29 i think you'll be the one! but ill soon try the viable combos, instead of doing loli prostitues and such 08:29 hahaha yes microla you'll definitely be more successful when not playing a meme combo 08:29 what do hybrid races do btw? 08:29 you're on NetSysFire 08:30 they add the rules/challenges of that race at the same time 08:30 devilish developer ugh 08:30 so for example, sokosolver race has most levels replaced with backwards soko floors 08:31 if I play as an angel sokosolver monk, most of my floors are replaced with bass-ackwards sokoban floors 08:31 but my race is still really angel 08:31 any bolded race here can be a hybrid race: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Race/Slash%27EM_Extended 08:31 if there's any benefits to a particular race that can be made hybrid, you don't get them, only downsides 08:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 18470 points, T:7432, killed by a giant zombie 08:35 what game you guys playing? I play on evilhack 08:35 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 08:35 -!- Amybundlie has joined #hardfought 08:35 atm I have a grunthack game ongoing that I'm procrastinating for 08:36 not sure how reliable this wifi is 08:36 netsysfire: if silver hits you, it should harm you 08:36 [hdf-eu] [slex] NetSysFire (Gla Dev Fem Cha), 38089 points, T:8914, quit 08:36 it does 08:36 haha 08:36 but i can handle it just fine 08:36 amy turned up so you quit :^) 08:36 !lastgame NetSysFire 08:37 amateurhour: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/nethack/dumplog/1618390869.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/N/NetSysFire/slex/dumplog/1619689817.slex.txt 08:37 why would you not be able to handle it, its not a crossaligned artifact 08:37 werecreatures cant wield (and even pick up i think) silver stuff at all 08:38 how come you'd quit? 08:38 i wanted to start a new game, this one was old 08:38 netsysfire: only in some weird variants 08:38 if i want to be a devil but i want the steroids mode of haxor, i choose devil and then hybrid-race it with haxor right? 08:39 Amybundlie: its vanilla! 08:39 yeah NetSysFire 08:39 <{Demo}> time to play dnh devel-3.20.1 08:39 dnh \o/ 08:39 3.6 and beyond are variants, dont dare expecting their shit to be in slex :p 08:40 if it's not nethack 1.3d it's not vanilla 08:41 next youll start demanding I port over that vampshifter BS :P 08:42 <{Demo}> hey amy do u have madman role yet? 08:43 ? where should I have it from if you just invented it 08:43 <{Demo}> from dnh ofc 08:43 <{Demo}> you don't know about dnh? 08:43 I believe dnh is considered a "variant". 08:43 ??? since when does it have another new role? 08:44 <{Demo}> https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/tree/devel-3.20.1 08:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 337 points, T:870, killed by an uninjured hobgoblin 08:44 -!- Amybundlie has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:46 is there any interactive tutorials? 08:46 im playing while reading the documentation 08:46 the wiki 08:46 for evilhack specifically or nethack in general? 08:47 -!- Amybundlie has joined #hardfought 08:47 nethack 08:47 The message is from 'Verena'. It reads: 'I will gladly duel you. My weapon of choice is a pair of stiletto sandals with which I'm 08:47 there's nothing like that as far as I know 08:47 going to whack you over the head repeatedly.' 08:47 tone had some youtube videos, let me see if i can find them 08:47 damn browser 08:48 anyway that madman role sounds totally whack :p 08:48 i have seen tone's vids 08:48 whaaaaat dnh has a role that slex doesn't? 08:48 amateurhour: slex will have it of course 08:49 netsysfire: do you like the pretty Verena sandals? ♥♡♥♡♥ 08:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 344 points, T:652, killed by an uninjured hobbit 08:49 (yay this tablet keyboard has heart buttons!) 08:49 cccrow: well that's all there is afaik 08:51 this is the video i had in mind: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=96N5yxZJTtY 08:53 Amybundlie: sorry to disappoint you but my favorite weapons are spears and stuff 08:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Graznop (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:32044 08:53 that sucks, i'll just read the wiki then. 08:53 but the stiletto heels are cuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuute! 08:54 i dont care about cute stuff. i want brutal stuff 08:54 i want to impale my enemies 08:54 @hothraxxa nive 08:54 @hothraxxa nice 08:54 and i eat their corpses or sacrifice them 08:54 everyone wants to be whacked on the head by the lovely heels! <3 08:55 how come it did not popup when i search for tutorials 08:55 [hdf-eu] [slex] NetSysFire (Gla Dev Fem Cha) received Henrietta's Heavy Caster from Catilina, on T:916 08:55 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8293, rt[0:52:07] 08:55 lol 08:55 i needed that 08:55 amateurhour look, someone got a gift! 08:55 like really 08:55 how in the heck did you get a sacrifice gift 08:55 anyway train is coming, bbl 08:55 a monster stole my cloak, made it cursed and sticky :( 08:56 hey its even +1 08:56 that artifact gives aggravate monster 08:56 there are literally 3 altars on this level 08:56 amateurhour: i am a gladiator anyways 08:56 and a haxor 08:56 fair enough 08:58 what's happening? 08:58 im a newbie here 09:00 -!- Amybundlie has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 09:00 cccrow: its just the normal noise 09:00 i am playing slex, the infamous variant 09:01 and getting gifts from deities in that variant is hart 09:01 *d 09:01 hi NetSysFire 09:01 how r u 09:01 oh, lucky then 09:01 aoei: i am feeling lucky 09:01 yay 09:02 I literally have an E-rank luck in this game. 09:02 NetSysFire: i spent my Hartz IV on beyond burgers and weizen :3 09:02 and then i ate them 09:02 they are in my tummy now 09:02 yay :O 09:02 i got an artifact gift and converted two altars on the second try in slex 09:02 :o 09:02 * aoei bonks NetSysFire 09:02 friends dont let friends play slex 09:02 go play something else like 09:02 xnh 09:02 or evil 09:02 i already played lots of evilhack yesterday 09:03 ok 09:03 slash'em then 09:03 or slash'them 09:03 and i challenged amateurhour to slex 09:03 >:C 09:03 slex bad! 09:03 slex has at least paranoid_trap 09:03 [hdf-eu] [slshm] HarmathZsolt (Und Dop Fem Neu), 728638 points, T:54308, killed by a minotaur 09:03 oh neat 09:03 i didn't know that 09:04 ooo my buddie Christoph phoned 09:04 i will go for a walk'n'talk 09:04 maybe with a fuspils in my handw 09:04 and then i will get the S-Bahn at some point to Reeperbahn to make photos of the place empty 09:04 it's for a magazine my friend is writing for :o 09:06 [hdf-eu] [slex] NetSysFire (Gla Dev Fem Cha) received Pernicious Grid from Catilina, on T:1416 09:07 * NetSysFire looks at amateurhour 09:08 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:9646, rt[1:05:33] 09:09 -!- cccrow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:10 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:9867, rt[1:07:47] 09:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Angelslayer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:89899 09:16 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 09:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Graznop (Hea Gno Fem Neu) stole 3 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Akureyri's general store, on T:32413 09:16 wtf 09:16 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:10458, rt[1:13:47] 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3657 09:18 what does the helm of beginners luck do? 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 198 points, T:1449, died of starvation, while fainted 09:24 while you have beginner status it gives some extra effects iirc 09:26 so i converted all three altars in the level and got hit by demons and angels and sacrificed both 09:28 [hdf-eu] [nh343] abacus66 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:15655 09:28 I'm surprised your altars didn't get deleted and you got artifact gifts 09:31 only one got deleted 09:31 ok now i angered my god 09:32 you got aggravate monster so might be able to get strong enough sacrifices 09:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Cav Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1941 09:37 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:12511, rt[1:34:03] 09:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] post163 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 136 points, T:1178, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 09:40 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 09:42 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:13360, rt[1:39:44] 09:46 -!- cccrow has joined #hardfought 09:50 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:13995, rt[1:46:54] 09:54 <+aosdict> it's not like K2 is lax about security or anything, but I also don't think that there's a full salted-hash setup <--- there is, see https://github.com/NHTangles/dgamelaunch/commit/636fb599fc04bf7cf210fb757111bf2c81621ee7 09:54 <@Joanna> jilles: Pog 09:55 cccrow: ^^ 09:55 and good morning 09:55 good morning to you 09:55 no, you 09:55 <@Joanna> K2: pls see poll i linked earlier 09:55 no u 09:55 lol 09:55 aoei what poll 09:55 <@Joanna> I highlighted you 09:56 k lemme keep looking 09:56 <@Joanna> Don't you see those in scrollback? 09:56 <@Joanna> It's also in nhs-dev chantopic 09:56 i see it 09:56 <@Joanna> Okey 09:56 sup 09:56 i was highlighted a few times, i didnt go back far enough 09:56 hi cccrow 09:56 there was a power outage here 09:57 <@Joanna> Ah ok 09:57 hah look at the poll aoei 09:58 <@Joanna> Lmao 09:59 <@Joanna> I wonder who claimed to speak for "everyone else" 09:59 <@Joanna> I know luxiderp signed as "idiot speedrunner" lol 09:59 that was me 09:59 MEEEEE 10:00 :P 10:00 <@Joanna> Hah 10:00 <@Joanna> I'll let the poll run for a while, but I hope you bow to community pressure if 3.7.0 wins and I make a commit :P 10:00 i edited my response 10:01 <@Joanna> Oh 10:01 aoei are you saying i *should* do something? 10:01 <@Joanna> I am fairly certain I didn't use that word 10:01 S H O U L D 10:01 <@Joanna> I said hope :) 10:02 i wonde rif that change breaks saves 10:02 <@Joanna> Eh. Hm. Dunno 10:02 <@Joanna> But ok so, so far it's unanimous apparently 10:02 <{Demo}> what happens in 343 if my god is angry at me and i sacrifice on a moloch altar? 10:02 <@Joanna> Not entirely sure what the NHS will do about the handful of interim games with version=1.0.0 10:03 Slash'em is losing games. I lost 5 games over the last 48 hour. The last one: 10:03 <@Joanna> So far only one of them is an ascension 10:03 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/luxor/slashem/ttyrec/ 10:03 -!- cccrow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:03 {Demo}, IIRC if it's in Gehennom, Moloch smites you and that slightly mollifies your god. Otherwise you'll possibly convert it. I don't think your god being angry affects the outcome of that; only alignment and your experience level do 10:03 i'm this close to dropping slash'em 10:03 2021-05-01.11_46_02.ttyrec.gz 10:04 its even worse than slex in the way of stability 10:04 did i just say that? 10:04 <{Demo}> its outside of gehennom 10:04 yep 10:05 Hmm. this is luxor. 10:05 @Joanna could just have K2 go in and manually fix them 10:05 orwellian "it was always version 3.7.0, nothing to see here" 10:05 <@Joanna> That is tempting aosdict honestly 10:06 Guest4722 yeah figured 10:06 <@Joanna> Maybe for this case I can set aside my personal qualms about retroactively editing xlogfiles 10:07 luxor are you currently playing? 10:08 yeah 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 702 points, T:1709, killed by a crossbow bolt 10:08 that ttyrec all it shows is the game starting 10:08 don't drop slashem it's fun and awesome :( 10:09 its unstable as hell 10:09 so's grunt etc and they're still there 10:10 <@Joanna> Does moon-child still maintain it or is it totally orphaned? 10:10 they arent as unstable 10:10 i get these all the time for slashem 10:10 hdf-us: CPU load from process /slashem-0.0.8E0F2/slashem -u Roger ( PID: 25759 ) User: games has reached 87% for 7:01.02. Process was killed. 10:10 <@Joanna> Oof 10:10 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 10:10 sounds like an infinite loop 10:10 yup 10:10 <@Joanna> Indeed 10:10 and no idea why because there's no coredump to reference 10:10 maybe paniclog... 10:10 <@Joanna> If it's unstable and unmaintained 10:11 <@Joanna> Then im with K2 100 re: drop 10:11 <@Joanna> 100% 10:11 delete half the variants on hardfought then 10:11 <@Joanna> Are half of them orphaned tho? 10:11 is there more value keeping it around? yes 10:12 <@Joanna> Depends how much of a pain it is for K2 to deal with problems 10:12 take a look at the list, how many are maintained? 10:12 what is 10:12 erm 10:12 what is "maintained" 10:12 amateurhour lol no 10:12 removing slashem would make me really sad 10:13 i dont want to 10:13 BUT 10:13 then don't 10:13 ... BUT 10:13 BUT...? 10:13 i dunno 10:13 just wanted to say 'BUT' 10:14 amateurhour you wanna take over the slash'em project and fix bugs? 10:14 <@Joanna> Aosdict maintained i would define as the responsible person has made a commit or responds to gitbub issues within the last 12 months 10:14 <@Joanna> If the variant codebase has been stale for a full year I'd probably drop it 10:15 then 4k is unmaintained 10:15 I mean I wouldn't be opposed to doing that, but it's probs better to await moon-child's slashem projects assuming they happen 10:15 i updated fourk last night 10:15 last commit 2020 apr 21 10:15 lol 10:15 [hdf-eu] [nh343] commodore96 (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1147 points, T:1814, killed by a gnome lord 10:15 paniclog for slashem - https://termbin.com/60qk 10:15 <@Joanna> But it's K2's server he provides on his own dime for the benefit of the whole community 10:16 <@Joanna> So he can pull some level of benevolent dictatorship 10:16 i would *love* to swap out old slash'em with moon-child's version 10:16 last i checked though he claims it wont be ready anytime soon 10:16 maybe that's changed 10:17 the problem with staleness defined by recent github activity is that it doesn't account for variants which still have maintainers but are not actively developing new features. if no bugs are found, the maintainers have nothing to do 10:17 cf grunt/spork 10:17 <@Joanna> Ok yea this is a good point aosdict 10:17 you can throw a mirror to segfault grunt 10:18 fix - dont throw mirrors 10:18 <@Joanna> We should probably also consider level of bugginess/instability as well as codebase activity 10:18 :P 10:18 yeah :P 10:18 <@Joanna> But i did also say "unstable and unmaintained" as a criteria for considering drop 10:18 So I am a dev, what will it take to maintain slashem will moon-child is ready? 10:18 <{Demo}> hmmm 10:18 <{Demo}> we need "slashem fortified" 10:18 <@Joanna> Haha 10:19 slashem with 100% more vitamins 10:19 K2 I seem to recall you don't get backtraces when you kill based on cpu load 10:19 correct 10:20 there's no crash therefore no coredump 10:20 if you can configure that somehow to get a stack trace that would help for infinite loops in slashem/slex/others 10:20 that's OS level... hmm 10:22 luxor this is the slash'em repo for hardfought - https://github.com/k21971/slashem/tree/hardfought 10:23 Tangles and I did a few fixes for some of the nastier game-ending crashes a couple years ago 10:23 but i personally have no interest in trying to find/fix more bugs with it 10:24 I can install it on my server and play with it, but is there a way i can look at the process running in hardfought? 10:24 no 10:25 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Arc Ang Mal Law) had Carnwennan bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4929 10:25 So I should install it, run some games on it , and wait for crashes 10:26 correct? 10:26 too bad you cant run fuzzer on slash;em 10:26 yes thats correct 10:26 you can 10:26 amateurhour really? 10:26 Demo ported the fuzzer in their repo 10:26 :) 10:26 get out 10:26 * amateurhour leaves 10:26 https://github.com/demogorgon22/slashem 10:27 This branch is 1 commit ahead of k21971:master. 10:27 he never told me 10:27 I think I may need to go on an ascension bender attempt on evilhack 10:27 that's because amateurhour rulez k2 droolz 10:27 I already like some of the changes I've seen 10:27 heya NCommander 10:27 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 10:27 although I'm debating flirting w/ some other roguelikes 10:27 K2, o/ 10:27 I hear that DCSS is a good nethack variant 10:27 * NCommander has been in that "I'm sick, but no so sick I can't play roguelikes" 10:28 k2 droolz when you give him a great evil new idea to implement, this is established 10:28 amateurhour, DCSS ... I have a love hate relationship w/ it. 10:28 hmm he aplied it to the wrong branch 10:28 applied 10:28 <{Demo}> damn 10:28 lol 10:28 <{Demo}> second time ive done that 10:28 i can cherry-pick it 10:29 amateurhour, I feel like they streamlined it to the point that it doesn't have any character, like they decided food should go, so it got replaced with the zot clock whic basically a time to game over unless you keep moving. 10:29 <{Demo}> make the default branch the one that matters lol 10:29 yeah 10:30 <@Joanna> Demo: Pog 10:30 I've admited that I've had a fairly large temptation to dig into angband 10:31 there, 'hardfought' is default 10:31 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed Axus, on T:17807 10:35 NCommander: This is my personal bugbear, but I'd say the combination of getting rid of (increasingly) OOD monster spawns over time and food left you with the Zot clock, replacing a couple of imperfect mechanisms that were thematically good and easily understood with, er, an imperfect mechanism that's completely arbitary 10:36 added demo's fuzzer bits to my slash'em repo 10:36 In the days of OOD spawns no-one hung about forever because you'd die, and the removal of food made hanging about forever a majority sport not just a mummy curiousity. 10:36 Guest4722 / luxor ^ 10:38 i should redo this repo so its not forked off of a dead repo 10:38 plus it'll make it easier to search 10:38 {Demo} anything special needs to be set to fuzz this? 10:38 it's literally the 3.6 fuzzer 10:38 hah cool 10:38 just set the flag and zoom away 10:39 Pinkbeast, I also felt that the game doesn't really give you a lot to work with if RNG isn't on your side. You have to dig deeper and deeper in Lair, and its very hard to grind if you need to. 10:40 <{Demo}> if you want slashem bugs, ask amy 10:40 Pinkbeast, Angband has sorta interested me in awhile. I never played in depth but a lot of it basically seems like "level up until you become a god, grind for the grind god", and they took that to the point of entirely removing item identification (plus cursed gear is rare in Angband as is) 10:41 That being said, I find NetHack's mid to late game right up to the ascension run fairly boring :/ 10:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) wished for "cursed fixed +2 Premium Heart", on T:17945 10:41 <@Joanna> Hi Pinkbeast :-) 10:42 NCommander: have you played dnh? can't remember 10:43 <{Demo}> if you want slashem bugs, ask amy <--- that's a good idea 10:43 Hang on, Angband hasn't removed item identification; they just switched entirely to use-ID of consumables in 4.x.x (having _de facto_ switched to it in 3.something) and have this new (and interesting) system where you identify "runes" on equipment 10:43 prob a bunch of bug fixes in slashthem also 10:43 I haven't, but the changelog from stock made me kinda "eh" on getting invested on it. Vanilla's Elbereth mechanic always irked me, and dnh runes seem to make it even more complicated 10:43 Morning not-aoei 10:43 dnh is epic honestly 10:44 Much to my surprise I got an Angband win in 3.something and quite enjoyed it, partly because they've kicked out a lot of the grind and partly because play orthodoxy changed from "grind forever at 500' until you feel completely ready for 550', rinse and repeat" 10:45 In particular no_selling was a _huge_ improvement 10:45 Pinkbeast, yeah, that's why I've sorta been eyeing picking it up. That's kinda what I remember from the earlier Angbands, but that, combined with things like 0-sell, and streamlining a lot of the more ugly features seems nice. 10:45 @Joanna if I change setseed back to 3.7.0 it will definitely savebreak 10:45 blah 10:46 almost surely noone would mind if setseed is save-broken? 10:46 actually just remembered elenmirie_ might have a game on the go 10:46 um yeah they would 10:46 hmm 10:46 NCommander: If you want a less bland DCSS clearly you should play our excellent Stoat Soup variant. Or, probably don't at the moment until we get 0.23 out, play Gooncrawl or kimchi 10:46 i can do it and make everything play nice... its just more work 10:47 I was thinking that if the point was practising for shorter and faster games then there's not really that much time lost if your save gets yeeted 10:47 but there might be some games idling around for a different reason 10:48 Pinkbeast, even when DCSS was "less band" so to speak, I dunno how much I really enjoyed it. It never really did it for me. It reminded me of ADOM, which is something I should like, but don't :/ 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:91193 10:49 Oooh, ranger on the move 10:50 I've gotten two rangers to Gehennom, both splatted 10:50 I do find getting a ranger going to be notoriously tricky though 10:51 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 10:52 Even if you can get them going, I find them very hard to keep them going :/ 10:52 The longbow of diana doesn't help by being one of the more "meh" artifacts 11:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed Oona, on T:18418 11:06 . 11:06 Guest4722 / luxor ^ 11:09 there's a fuzzer you can run to find crashes luxor 11:09 Looking at the liink you gave 11:10 [hdf-us] [seed] omghax (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 11:12 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:91641 11:13 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 11:13 -!- tolkien.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ EvilHack 0.7.0 and UnNetHack 6.0.3 are now available to play! 11:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 11:14 [hdf-us] [seed] omghax (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:5, rt[0:00:15], wc[0:04:03], killed by a falling object 11:14 [hdf-us] [seed] omghax (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 11:14 !who 11:14 K2: [hdf-us] twiggets [nh370] KrO2 [dnh] luxor [slshm] VaderFLAG [evil] omghax [seed] | [hdf-eu] jt [seed] Hill [seed] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:15 !whereis omghax 11:15 K2: [hdf-us] omghax [seed]: (Sam Hum Fem Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 11:15 [hdf-us] [seed] omghax (Sam Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:7, rt[0:01:04], wc[0:01:07], killed by a falling object 11:17 !lastgame omghax 11:17 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/setseed/dumplog/1619882065.seed.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/evilhack/dumplog/1619659000.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/evilhack/dumplog/1619658133.evil.html 11:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:19020 11:25 man, this minetown with the zoo turns into bones quite a bit. I managed to lock myself in the general store lol 11:26 how does the door to the animals get unlocked? one of the watch unlocks it ? 11:26 yup 11:26 watch captain 11:26 they're dicks 11:27 hmm omghax's death speedrun was faster realtime in the first run but they erroneously idled for a few minutes 11:27 so the inferior run at 1:07 is the one they'll have to submit 11:27 that's how omghax rolls 11:28 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:21079, rt[3:05:19] 11:28 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21082, rt[3:05:34] 11:28 [hdf-us] [seed] potato (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 132 points, T:308, rt[0:02:29], wc[83 days, 4:51:30], killed by a falling object 11:32 -!- amateurhour has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 11:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] autolycus (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 369 points, T:1360, killed by a gas spore's explosion 11:33 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:21411, rt[3:10:59] 11:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Graznop (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:32930 11:34 [hdf-au] [seed] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 11:35 !who 11:35 K2: [hdf-us] twiggets [nh370] KrO2 [dnh] luxor [slshm] VaderFLAG [evil] | [hdf-eu] Graznop [nh370] jt [seed] Hill [seed] | [hdf-au] omghax [seed] 11:35 !whereis omghax 11:35 K2: [hdf-au] omghax [seed]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:3 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 11:35 [hdf-au] [seed] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:5, rt[0:00:36], wc[0:00:39], killed by a falling object 11:35 39 seconds, nice 11:37 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:21604, rt[3:14:13] 11:37 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:37 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:39 I still feel that minetown should be no bones level 11:39 * NCommander throws a cream pie at LarienTelrunya 11:39 nah its fine 11:39 yo NCommander! do you want to play the one true variant? ♥ 11:39 LarienTelrunya, I am, EvilHack is fun! 11:40 also wow so much backscroll 11:40 lol 11:40 :) 11:40 LarienTelrunya, I dunno, I haven't been super *Hack motivated at all. I've been debating picking up Angband, but I've been fairly sick in real life 11:40 hey LarienTelrunya, if you could compile a list of all the stock slash'em bugs you've found and fixed and share that, that'd be great. kthx 11:40 I got both COVID-19 shots, so probably not that 11:41 :/ 11:41 K2: uhh for starters you might want to grep my commit messages for "SLASH'EM" or "SLASHEM" 11:41 I sorta been debating picking up Angband, but I'd need to find a decent server. 11:41 but I can take a look later 11:41 at least you're fully vaccinated 11:41 K2, well, full is next week, 11:41 but yeah 11:41 LarienTelrunya i was kidding 11:41 :P 11:41 I dunno how many specific SLASH"EM bugs there actually are. A lot are just shit from 343 we've patched through the ages on NAO and like. 11:42 haha K2, seriously though, slashem has a bunch of bugs, some of which really bad; at least the dreaded hallu segfault panic is gone 11:42 and then LarienTelrunya corrects me 11:42 NCommander even just having the one shot is decent protection. you're out of the 'get sick and maybe die' part of it 11:42 -!- spicyCebolla has joined #hardfought 11:42 K2, yeah, there's a chance this is secondary infection COVID, but I have no idea when I could have been exposed 11:43 <@luxidream> I also got sick immediately after leaving the house and being fully vaccinated 11:43 I just feel sick, not "omg my lungs are trying to ascend without me" 11:43 <@luxidream> it's probably some virus I haven't been in contact with for the last year :/ 11:43 right 11:43 everyone staying inside, you're protecting yourself from getting sick but you're also not allowing your immune system to exercise so to speak 11:44 It's just playing SLEX, you only can gain immunity to the bundles by repeated exposure 11:44 hah 11:44 I might honestly give SLEX another go, but I dislike I need to keep the source code on hand as a spoilers reference guide 11:45 I don't think even LarienTelrunya would agree that SLEX could be won without spoilers. 11:45 Nah, just do what everyone else does and play when Amy's watching 11:45 *would disagree 11:45 the wiki articles for slex are slowly but surely being improved 11:45 The other thing that annoys me is I have to play on an extactly 80x25 in SLEX 11:45 or it glithes up 11:45 Unless LarienTelrunya fixed that 11:46 exactly 80x25> wtaf 11:46 THere was a longstanding bug that the UI would have weird glitchiness 11:46 And curses UI was entirely foobared 11:48 well I'd fix it if I could; just getting statuscolors to work correctly for *one* set of terminal dimensions was hard enough though 11:48 and I have no idea where the line wrapping code sits; if someone can come up with a patch to feed the actual terminal dimensions to that code it'd be greatly appreciated 11:49 also where is the poll that Streicheljohanna supposedly linked? 11:50 [hdf-eu] [seed] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 11:50 !whereis omghax 11:50 K2: [hdf-eu] omghax [seed]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 11:50 !who 11:50 K2: [hdf-us] KrO2 [dnh] Rx [xnh] Roger [slshm] luxor [slshm] VaderFLAG [evil] terrapin [evil] Luxidream [seed] | [hdf-au] No current players | [hdf-eu] omghax [seed] Hill [seed] 11:50 LarienTelrunya, is that really the only bug? 11:50 [hdf-eu] [seed] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:7, rt[0:00:38], wc[0:00:40], killed by a falling object 11:50 LarienTelrunya, I want to say stock NetHack uses curses to determine that but I suspet that's wrong. 11:51 well the bug is that if the terminal dimensions are smaller than 80x25, the bottom status line flat out disappears if it's too long, but if the dimensions are bigger, it refuses to wrap over and is instead just cut off 11:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1195, rt[0:02:16] 11:51 also since when does stock nethack have curses :P 11:51 NCommander: I think the problem is "where does this get wrapped", not "what are the dimensions" 11:52 LarienTelrunya: "curses" the display mode versus "curses" the library confusion? 11:52 LarienTelrunya, curses library for terminal handling 11:52 Not actual ingame curses 11:52 so it can still use a curses mode even when using tty graphics? now I'm confused 11:53 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2196 points, T:1915, [0:03:53], killed by a heavily wounded tiger, while sleeping 11:53 LarienTelrunya: On Unixen (at least), the "curses" library (well, almost always "ncurses") is used for terminal output. 11:53 well yeah but in the case of slex, the bottom status line bug is present on windows builds too 11:53 It is... unfortunate that someone named one of the ways NetHack can display itself on the terminal "curses" 11:54 LarienTelrunya: Yes, one confusion at a time 11:56 LarienTelrunya: Can you exceed MAXCO, #defined at the top of botl.c ? 11:56 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1761 points, T:1409, [0:02:59], killed by a killer bee 11:56 just call it ncurses regardless of which lib is actually being used 11:57 spicyCebolla: That's an idea but unfortunately a lot of the rest of the world calls it "curses" even though it's been ncurses for decades. But yeah, might try that. 11:58 A few commerical UNIX distros actually still ship with "curses" with ncurses being seperate 11:58 alright so, slashem bugs: trying to branchport from black market too many times can panic, monsters zapping cancel or draining and hitting shop-owned stuff gets shk mad at you, altars on oracle level cannot be used for saccing, %d and %s placeholders in impossible messages can cause segfault panics, punished player moving on plane of water will 11:58 crash, lightning spells can damage immune monsters sometimes, lightsabers recharge over time in an ice box, cloning a weapon-wielding monster destabilizes the game, double lightsabers don't de-light properly if you switch to other weapon, trying to light stack of torches may crash 11:58 K2: ^^ 11:58 ASK ME HOW I KNOW THIS ><; 11:58 * NCommander glares at AIX 11:58 NCommander: ... it's not a very obscure fact? 11:58 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1438, rt[0:02:26] 11:59 For the most part, legacy curses is welll ... legacy 11:59 <{Demo}> "trying to branchport from black market too many times can panic" <--- that one is my bug btw 11:59 <{Demo}> also would never happen in a real game 11:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:1670, rt[0:03:18] 11:59 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 11:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 961 points, T:1677, [0:03:26], killed by a bolt of fire 12:00 LarienTelrunya, one eyed sam obviously decided shoplift and die much mor eliterially than you intended 12:00 What is [seed]. I get its a fixed NH seed, but what variant ... 363/370-dev/pie? 12:00 What is [seed]. I get its a fixed NH seed, but what variant ... 363/370-dev/pie? 12:00 3.7 12:00 ugh 12:00 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 12:01 my internet is like my sanity playing slex 12:01 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by naming Sting, on T:732, rt[0:01:19] 12:02 That one always bugged me. You could call a dagger "Sting" without knowing how to spell it :P 12:02 Amy I think the important ones are things that trigger panic/impossible/game loss if that helps narrow down the list 12:02 it's a literary reference 12:02 qt: Message from aosdict at 2021-04-30 23:37 EDT: now that I'm going back through recent devteam commits, it looks like github is driving the car now 12:03 I mean, if you carved the runes on Sting so it had batteries, you know ... 12:03 your character must have read the Hobbit 12:03 so they are literate 12:03 qt, I'm aware, but even in LoTR, Frodo simply calls the dagger Sting 12:03 amateurhour: that list was created from quick grepping 12:03 well he calls it sting because bilbo named it sting 12:03 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2146, rt[0:03:57] 12:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2445, rt[0:04:41] 12:05 I should roll another angel/priest in SLEX 12:05 angel is an overrated race 12:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 cursed greased scroll of genocide", on T:2877, rt[0:06:50] 12:06 or he called it sting because he read the Hobbit 12:06 think about it 12:07 Nah, it hadn't been written yet. 12:07 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3271, rt[0:07:37] 12:07 LarienTelrunya, the innate MR makes it very powerful 12:07 Pinkbeast: didn't the Red Book exist and contain an account of Bilbo's adventures at the time of LOTR? 12:08 heh, incantifier also has innate MR but is never played :P "omg its not the same as dnh inc so it suuuuucks dont play it!!!!!111" 12:08 aosdict: Eh, the Red Book was just JRRT fanfic 12:08 it's not overrated, it's a good race when 90% of them have like no arms or terminal assitis from birth 12:08 :P 12:08 LarienTelrunya: So, about botl.c ? 12:08 Pinkbeast: not sure if botl.c is the one controlling it, could also be something in the win/tty folder 12:09 OK, but can you exceed MAXCO ? 12:09 Also, it's unlikely to be something in the code for a _particular_ display method if it happens on multiple platforms. 12:09 oh hmm, possibly 12:10 no, wait, I take that last bit back 12:10 the tty interface is used on both windows and unix though 12:10 lol ninjad :P 12:10 LarienTelrunya, I'm looking at the list right now 12:10 aosdict: what did you mean github is driving the car now? 12:10 That's why I take it back, I was thinking of something else 12:10 there also used to be a curses interface but that was too buggy :P 12:10 !whereis NCommander 12:11 LarienTelrunya: NCommander is not playing. 12:11 !whereis AmyBSOD 12:11 amateurhour: AmyBSOD is not playing. 12:11 On the wiki 12:11 I thought most of them were from PatR, I guess he is on github now though lol 12:11 LarienTelrunya, honestly, Incantifier Ironman Priest sounds ... surprisingly OP 12:11 play one :D 12:11 my last priest run actually *got* the quest artifact 12:11 hahaha ironman too? dooo eeet 12:11 redguard might be good too 12:11 for priest 12:12 depending on how/if it was nerfed 12:12 LarienTelrunya, well, what I found in SLEX is priest is kinda OP because its fairly easily to rapidly find the good enchanted armors. I mean, that's true w/ regular priest, but SLEX can be a loot pinata 12:12 if you pick redguard priest, you can't be the first player to ascend that combo anymore :P 12:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5576, rt[0:13:07] 12:13 And unlike altars, priests BUC doesn't disappear. Don't make that a patch plz 12:13 because redguard priest was ascended already 12:13 hahahahahahaha 12:13 qt: virtually nothing has been added in the latest commits that didn't come from a github issue or PR 12:13 just get to the high altar and read that scroll that changes your role/race 12:13 bam instant first-asc combo 12:13 amateurhour: that doesn't exist 12:13 oh yeah I get what you mean now 12:13 yeah it does? 12:13 nope 12:13 honestly though, I just feel so miserable that I can't even enjoy playing * on a mech keyboard, which was the REAL reason I got a fullized kb 12:13 there is a spell that does it, not a scroll 12:14 oh a spell 12:14 well keep casting that then 12:14 bam instant first-asc combo 12:14 * NCommander actually likes playing with numpad because it makes me think. I know, I know, blasphey 12:14 and that spell deletes your inventory and warps you to a random tile; if you were wearing the amulet, it drops to the ground for anyone to grab 12:14 yeah to the ground 12:14 LarienTelrunya thanks 12:14 under your feet 12:14 on the high altar 12:14 i think a couple of those are already fixed in my repo 12:14 I don't think SLEX makes the amulet teleport everytime its dropped like in UNH 12:14 amateurhour: yes, and then you have to make it back to that altar with no equipment and no spells :P 12:14 Could be wrong. 12:15 fine, roll random role/race in water plane then ascend 12:15 e z p z 12:15 I don't think LarienTelrunya has implemented *every* EPI 12:15 heh, so I guess you'd drop everything, then cast it? 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5799 points, T:3517, killed by a chameleon imitating an iron golem 12:15 You can only have these many clothes on to cast. 12:15 !asc luxidream 12:15 NCommander: [hdf-us] luxidream has ascended 327 times in 6438 games (5.08%): nh343:2 (3.17%), nh363:70 (4.44%), nh370:41 (1.77%), nh4:73 (18.58%), un:4 (2.70%), xnh:9 (13.04%), spl:5 (3.11%), dyn:80 (29.20%), fh:18 (14.52%), sp:2 (11.76%), 4k:3 (0.51%), seed:20 (3.52%) | [hdf-au] luxidream has not ascended in 1 games. | [hdf-eu] luxidream has not ascended in 245 games. 12:15 yeah well it was imitating an arch lich before that 12:15 o_o; 12:16 <{Demo}> hey k2, if you wanna mitigate a whole subgenre of slashem bugs, add an is_ok check to m_at 12:16 drained me to 4 str lol 12:16 heh 12:17 <{Demo}> slex does it 12:17 <{Demo}> dnh does it 12:17 can you show me? 12:17 K2: all those bugs are fixed in slex, although finding the commits could be difficult, I don't remember all their names 12:17 <{Demo}> yeah after I get back to my pc 12:17 no rush 12:17 K2, are you maing a SLASH'EM variant, or just fixing SLASH'EM as is? 12:18 just fixing 12:18 maybe 12:18 i said i wasnt but now i am interested 12:18 bbl food time 12:18 LarienTelrunya: hang on 5 minutes? 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Bugpowder (Inf Hum Mal Una), 336 points, T:768, killed by a magic missile 12:18 EvilSlashEm when? 12:19 evilhack actually has a bit of slash'em stuff 12:19 very little 12:19 but some 12:19 Sometime in the last 20 years NetHack changed from just allocating a fixed-size MAXCO buffer and writing into it (I know they love pre-ANSI C but really) to detecting overflow, but either way, anything on the status line in excess of MAXCO will just get thrown away (possibly into the rest of the process's memory) 12:20 Vanilla commit fa20ef382d389eb214e643b86a3638975cc2d4a5 seems like a good place to start looking at what they did. 12:23 Pinkbeast, well a lot of it was to keep NetHack compilable on pre K&R compilers. Not sure how wise that is but you know, portability, yay? 12:23 NCommander, "the game doesn't really give you a lot to work with if RNG isn't on your side" is kind of the point: grinding is eliminated as much as possible 12:24 NCommander: Compilation on pre-ANSI compilers does not demand buffer overruns. 12:24 <{Demo}> alright nethack history mini lesson time 12:25 Pinkbeast, well, true, but there are a lot of things done in NetHack which aren't exactly good practice, such as just doing a memory dump for saving files. 12:25 More I should say "a product of its times" 12:25 <{Demo}> nethack used to not cache monsters ptrs in the level.monsters[][] 2d array and if you wanted to pull one at a specific x and y, you had to do a linear search on the list 12:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:8590, rt[0:25:31] 12:25 <{Demo}> so a call to m_at with an x and a y that was beyond the map would just always return null 12:25 jilles, grinding is to an extent is how you deal with the RNG being uncooperative. I've had to altar camp to get games off the ground. 12:25 <{Demo}> then they changed it to cache the ptrs in a 2d array 12:25 TBF, the technique chosen here - work out the maximum size and set the buffer to that plus a bit - isn't automatically daft, particularly if saving individual bytes really matters. But it's super fragile against changes to the game, and practically guaranteed to break given a variant that keeps adding stuff. 12:25 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 23875 points, T:8432, killed by a magic missile 12:26 <{Demo}> and changed up all the code to make sure it never called m_at with x and y off of the map 12:26 <{Demo}> when slashem merged this vanilla change in, they didn't update all their shit that potentially calls m_at to verify x and y weren't off map before calling it 12:26 oh god 12:26 <{Demo}> so you can find random junk data outside of the bounds of the level.monsters[][] 2d cache array 12:26 <{Demo}> and have it returned as a monster pointer 12:27 <{Demo}> usually these wont be valid ptrs and it will just crash trying to deref them 12:27 <{Demo}> https://github.com/k21971/slashem/blob/hardfought/include/rm.h#L539 here is slashem m_at and here is dnethack https://github.com/Chris-plus-alphanumericgibberish/dNAO/blob/compat-3.20.0/include/rm.h#L606 12:28 <{Demo}> dnethack adds an is_ok(x,y) check as part of m_at 12:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 holy charging", on T:9050, rt[0:28:23] 12:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "cursed marker", on T:9142, rt[0:28:40] 12:28 thanks {Demo} 12:28 why does the line break come after the operator 12:28 this is an outrage 12:28 <{Demo}> basically, it's actually the vanilla dev's fault 12:28 uh oh 12:29 you've made qt upset 12:29 lol 12:29 :P 12:29 <{Demo}> cause imo they should have just done it that way when they made the change 12:29 brb gonna eat 12:32 if you make a bugfix variant of slashem u should call it flashem 12:32 fixed lotsa added stuff hack - extended magic 12:33 <{Demo}> lol 12:36 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:12124, rt[0:36:59] 12:38 then rebalance it 12:39 Largest problem w/ SLASH'EM is if you can survive the earlier game, it literially hands you multiple ascension kits 12:39 And robbing the black market which can give you *yet another ascension kit* isn't exactly hard 12:40 <@Joanna> I tried to go meet a friend but a line of police in full riot gear at the Hauptbahnhof were blocking the U-Bahn I needed 😬 12:40 <@Joanna> Riot police are scary 12:40 <@Joanna> Also ACAB 12:41 Was there... a riot? 12:41 <@Joanna> not that I could see ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 12:41 I guess they were bored 12:41 <@Joanna> Just a shitload of police ready for one 12:43 <@Joanna> Anyway we have curfew in a couple of hours too. So I abandoned the spontaneous visit plan. Seeing him tomorrow, besides. 12:44 because it's may first Pinkbeast 12:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:14281, rt[0:44:24] 12:44 qt: It is. And this filthy Red is sat in bed (not under it, but also not out rioting). 12:44 so the cops MAY assemble FIRST before a riot 12:44 that's what it means 12:45 <@Joanna> Lmao qt 12:45 <@Joanna> Pinkbeast: im also not rioting 🙁 12:45 <@Joanna> I saw police in riot gear and got scared and ran home 🙁 12:45 Right, just in case a riot decides to assemble by catching U-Bahn trains from one particular station 12:45 <@Joanna> Am I a bad Red? 12:45 <@Joanna> Lmao Pinkbeast 12:45 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:14538, rt[0:45:53] 12:45 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:14540, rt[0:45:54] 12:46 <@Joanna> Maybe if I'd tried to change somewhere other than the main train station... 12:46 I have a number of issues with the British police but when they anticipate that kind of trouble they sit around in vans, they don't block off Underground stations randomly. 12:46 <@Joanna> But I tried taking a diversion via U3 and that wasn't running either :/ 12:46 <@Joanna> U2 was the one I wanted 12:46 <@Joanna> But, riot police were in the way 12:47 U2 are rubbish why would u want them 12:47 <@Joanna> Anyway after the diversion route attempt failed I said "sod it" 12:47 <@Joanna> Lmao amateurhour 12:47 lol 12:47 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 12:47 (under the bed is entirely full of beer (hooray), dust puppies (less good), etc) 12:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:14995, rt[0:48:40] 12:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:14996, rt[0:48:43] 12:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:15599, rt[0:52:46] 12:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 158463 points, T:15607, [0:52:49], killed by an uninjured hell hound 12:53 [hdf-eu] [seed] Hill (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 5 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:30526, rt[15:48:30] 12:53 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 10304 points, T:3860, killed by a minotaur 12:53 <@luxidream> !lastgame luxidream 12:53 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/setseed/dumplog/1619884796.seed.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/slex/dumplog/1544654684.slex.txt 12:54 <@luxidream> wow I did not realize I was just going to be killed like that 12:54 rip 12:54 rip 12:55 <@nabru> rip 12:56 luxidream: rip 12:57 the bone devil, vampire bat and and hell hound all take turns to bite and sting 12:57 I think the bone devil there was more impatient and hit more 12:58 they need to work on being more fair next time 12:58 <@luxidream> oh it threw sleeping 12:58 I mean, it's slex. It's not supposed to be fair. 12:58 <@luxidream> that would explain it 12:58 You're supposed to just step on an invisible silent nasty trap that sets a variable that results in a 10% chance you die each turn for the next hundred turns. 12:59 <@nabru> "Suddenly, you die." 12:59 Yes. 13:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Minetown, on T:3024 13:01 Adeon: lmao 13:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3058 13:01 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 1377 points, T:1449, killed by a dwarvish lord 13:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a sling on an altar, on T:3062 13:02 Pinkbeast: what's the thing you wanted me to hold on for? 13:02 5 minutes 13:02 aoei-streichelstreichel: where's the poll? also wtf no love for slashem? :/ 13:02 it's an interval of time 13:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1072 points, T:2180, [0:03:11], killed by an uninjured killer bee 13:03 Sometime in the last 20 years NetHack changed from just allocating a fixed-size MAXCO buffer and writing into it (I know they love pre-ANSI C but really) to detecting overflow, but either way, anything on the status line in excess of MAXCO will just get thrown away (possibly into the rest of the process's memory) 13:03 Vanilla commit fa20ef382d389eb214e643b86a3638975cc2d4a5 seems like a good place to start looking at what they did. 13:03 ^ that 13:03 LarienTelrunya: which poll? 13:03 Pinkbeast: ugh, do you have a link to the commit? 13:03 aoei: backscroll suggests that you had some sort of poll 13:03 LarienTelrunya: The commit ID is there 13:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:04 LarienTelrunya: it's about setseed versioninig, if you are interested you can vote but i would be surprised to learn that you care about setseed versioning 13:04 ... hang on, obviously you know that. I don't understand the question. 13:04 Pinkbeast: don't assume Amy knows how to use git 13:04 oh I found it :D 13:04 ouch 13:05 aoei: Excuse me, I need a drink now and the booze fairy isn't coming until 2100 13:05 huh why can't I view the poll results after I submitted my vote 13:05 Pinkbeast: i thought you had some red stripe under your bed or something? 13:05 uhm im not sure Amy 13:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 17606 points, T:9944, burned by a fireball 13:06 maybe if you refresh/reload the original poll link 13:06 ah now it works 13:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:3121 13:06 "Amy what does büschelflüschel mean" :D 13:06 aoei: Every year Clare and I buy two cases of Fuller's Vintage Ale for that year; we drink two, put 20 under the bed, take 2 of every previous year out from under the bed, drink those, and the last two in the cases go for boozemergencies. So there is beer under the bed but I can't drink it. 13:07 oh i see 13:07 i have a can of gintonic in the fridge and some cooking i need to be doing 13:07 that sounds like a complicated system 13:07 how old is the oldest beer then? 13:07 LarienTelrunya: Even if you don't _use_ git for SLEX, just being able to 'git show', 'git log', and all that is going to make it way easier to deal with vanilla. 13:07 hothraxxa: A decade. Well, it will be at Christmas. 13:08 that's still drinkable? i would not have thought that 13:08 We've been doing this since about 2006 and made it retroactive for a few years. 13:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2176 points, T:2746, [0:05:00], killed by an uninjured killer bee 13:08 More than drinkable! It's a bottle-conditioned barley wine. 13:08 oh sorry, i thought it was a beer 13:08 barely wine 13:08 Ah... "barley wine" is a kind of beer. 13:09 with which i am not familiar 13:09 Point is, it ages very well. (Indeed, one of the old family brewers found a century-old case under the floorboards recently-ish; after a bit of thought they drank it and said it was pretty good) 13:10 "bottle-conditioned" == "unfiltered, undergoes secondary fermentation in bottle", and one of the characteristics of a barley wine is it's 6%+ or so, so there's a lot to ferment. 13:10 just read about it. sounds like something i should try 13:12 century-old case> of beer in this style; Fullers have only been doing the Vintage Ale since '97. 13:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2249, rt[0:04:07] 13:13 oh im a big fan of barley wine 13:13 I'm still not carrying you home :-) 13:13 now i want some of Pinkbeast's speical beer 13:14 but idk if he'd let me have any 13:14 since it's so special 13:14 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2813, rt[0:05:27] 13:14 Well, there's always boozemergencies 13:14 but what (or who) qualifies as a boozemergency? :-= 13:14 :-) * 13:15 ok so here it's only available in winter 13:15 at least all the sources i've found sell it as a winter brew in 750 ml size 13:17 oh here's a 355 ml can... for cdn $18 13:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3764 13:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4507, rt[0:10:05] 13:22 [hdf-eu] [slex] Julia (AmyBSOD) (Sco Lvl Fem Neu) received Greneuvenia's Hug from Ms. Unfortunate Forest, on T:11604 13:22 looooooooool 13:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4109 13:24 * jonadab contemplates whether booze could be made from fermented habanero pepper seeds. 13:24 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6593, rt[0:16:05] 13:25 oh god that artifact suuuuuucks 13:26 anyway gtg now; amateurhour: artifact gift get :P (even though it's teh uber-sux) 13:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 13:26 >:( 13:26 have fun, seeya 13:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Gia Fem Una) killed the Oracle, on T:20260 13:29 * jonadab offers Newtsbane as a substitute artifact. It's a knife that does double damage against newts. 13:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:8126, rt[0:21:18] 13:38 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3507 13:41 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 holy charging", on T:9291, rt[0:26:23] 13:41 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed genocide", on T:9291, rt[0:26:30] 13:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] voffer (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1319 points, T:2807, killed by a bolt of cold 13:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:10688, rt[0:31:41] 13:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:10689, rt[0:31:44] 13:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy ring of teleport control", on T:11452, rt[0:35:24] 13:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:11455, rt[0:35:35] 13:50 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4143 13:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy greased fixed +2 shield of reflection", on T:11507, rt[0:36:24] 13:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:11526, rt[0:36:39] 13:54 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:12183, rt[0:39:20] 13:54 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:12186, rt[0:39:24] 13:55 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:12931, rt[0:41:03] 13:56 -!- Roho has joined #hardfought 13:58 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:13423, rt[0:43:46] 13:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:13589, rt[0:44:45] 14:00 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 14:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:14251, rt[0:46:00] 14:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:14251, rt[0:46:00] 14:01 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:14538, rt[0:46:31] 14:01 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:14543, rt[0:46:43] 14:02 lol amateurhour 14:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:14723, rt[0:47:42] 14:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:14724, rt[0:47:43] 14:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 276050 points, T:30413, killed by Blackbeard's Ghost 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7435 points, T:4710, killed by a warg 14:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:15887, rt[0:51:56] 14:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 255756 points, T:15888, rt[0:52:02], wc[0:58:17], quit (with the Amulet) 14:07 d;oh! 14:07 cancel wand? 14:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:08 :| 14:08 !lastgame Luxidream 14:08 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/setseed/dumplog/1619888918.seed.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/slex/dumplog/1544654684.slex.txt 14:15 how did the cancel wand end up in there? 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law), 465 points, T:1003, killed by a gnome lord 14:19 can imagine the tilt 14:22 <@luxidream> pressed / instead of ? 14:22 :( 14:24 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:96684 14:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2310, rt[0:05:01] 14:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2475, rt[0:05:33] 14:31 it always amazes me how people can start games so shortly after a ragequit 14:31 I spend at least half an hour regretting ever being born 14:34 [hdf-us] [slshm] simpleliquid (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1222 points, T:1121, poisoned by a rotted goblin corpse 14:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:3910, rt[0:11:12] 14:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8346 points, T:4566, [0:13:12], quit 14:39 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:39 [hdf-us] [fh] Liolou (RossinK) (Val Hum Fem Law), 20782 points, T:1028, killed by a giant mimic 14:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 441 points, T:913, [0:01:22], poisoned by a little dart 14:39 eh, it happens to me too. "I won't play this game again! I quit!" *5 minutes later* ssh hardfought 14:41 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:5519 14:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Graznop (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "magic marker", on T:33327 14:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1226, rt[0:02:05] 14:42 'lo 14:43 'hi 14:45 <@Joanna> Lol. I been there. Re cancel wand 🙂 14:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) was given their Quest, on T:22118 14:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (energy vortices), on T:2795, rt[0:06:10] 14:47 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 14:47 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3044, rt[0:07:29] 14:49 I think the message is misleading 14:49 it says you were chosen to carry excalibur 14:50 but the player just bothers the fountain lady until they relent 14:50 Well you have to be lawful. 14:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4130, rt[0:11:14] 14:53 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:55 Hey Joanna 14:57 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6202, rt[0:17:39] 14:59 <@Joanna> Hey there Umbire 14:59 <@Joanna> Lol Adeon 15:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:6678, rt[0:19:54] 15:00 <@Joanna> Adeon: I am the noob speedrunner known as aoei. But you already knew that because I whooped ur ass live on national television 15:00 <@Joanna> How did that feel? 15:00 I still have not recovered 15:01 every morning I have to meditate for 30 minutes to get rid of all the negative thoughts 15:01 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 15:01 <@Joanna> Are you in the burn ward still? :C 15:01 the humiliating loss keeps coming back in my brain 15:01 I have already cut contact with all my family and friends 15:01 I must face this challenge on my own 15:01 <@Joanna> Gosh. I'm so sorry 15:01 it's okay I have a secret weapon 15:01 a large stash of UHT lactose-free milk 15:02 <@Joanna> I didn't realise such devastation could result 15:02 <@Joanna> Ooo 15:02 <@Joanna> Nice 15:04 are you trying to impress us with that stash of ordinary water Adeon? 15:04 no judging 15:05 <@Joanna> Yeah, no judging! 15:05 <@Joanna> Meanwhile none of you judge me while I drink copious amounts of beer and chips with my dinner 15:06 <@Joanna> I'm cooking a greek dish with lots of olive oil in it 15:06 <@Joanna> And a little leek, onions and rice 15:06 <@Joanna> It's also greek easter tomorrow :o 15:08 are there many easters 15:08 <@riker> eastern orthodox church uses a different day for easter iirc 15:09 <@riker> the normal one is the 2nd or 3rd sunday in april, i believe? not sure 15:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:10682, rt[0:29:39] 15:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:10685, rt[0:29:44] 15:09 <@Joanna> Yeah this year had one of the biggest possible gaps between the two 15:10 <@Joanna> Or has 15:10 <@Joanna> A full month, roughly 15:10 Anyway it's Pfingsten that counts :-) 15:10 <@Joanna> Wtf is that, Pinkbeast? 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed magic markers", on T:43874 15:11 <@Joanna> Also do you happen to know a bloke called Simon Mader? 15:13 {Demo} so you're aware - https://github.com/k21971/SlashEM - re-did the repo. it has your fuzzer changes in it 15:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:11988, rt[0:33:35] 15:14 <@Joanna> Medusa kill at 33min seems good 15:14 Joanna> Whitsun 15:14 <@Joanna> But i think Adeon is faster 🤔 15:14 <@Joanna> googles 15:14 https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pfingsten 15:15 <{Demo}> k2 tbh I wasn't too aware that I'd even ported the fuzzer 15:15 <@Joanna> I really cannot be arsed to decipher german rn 😂 15:15 <{Demo}> kinda did it then forgot 15:15 <@Joanna> But Pfingsten can occur at the latest on my birthday :o 15:16 <@Joanna> Is it the thing where ppl walk around the countryside with a trolley full of beers? 15:16 <@Joanna> Stenno would probably know 15:16 https://twitter.com/mader_simon his face looks familiar 15:16 <@Joanna> He hangs out (or hung out) in the Dev sometimes 15:16 <@Joanna> And is/was friends with fragmites 15:16 Well, to us it's Wave-Gotik-Treffen but I gather it's a big public holiday there in the way Easter is here 15:16 <@Joanna> Used to play go with him 15:17 <@Joanna> I think Richard Parker we already covered because his old buddy was your mums supervisor or something 15:18 I suspect I have at least met most people who know fragmites and drink in the Dev. Conway. 15:18 <@Joanna> Lol. 15:18 <@Joanna> Yea Conway. Now him i never met 15:18 <@Joanna> Is he even alive still 15:18 Once or twice. No, he died of the 'rona (bah). 15:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "marker", on T:12821, rt[0:38:51] 15:19 <@Joanna> Aw :c 15:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:12825, rt[0:39:03] 15:19 <@Joanna> I wonder if Richard is still around 15:19 <@Joanna> I hope so, he's a good laugh 15:19 Well, he was getting on a bit, as you can imagine if he PhD supervised someone born during the War... 15:19 <@Joanna> Yeah. Parker's a bit old but probably not as old as Conway was 15:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy ring of conflict", on T:12894, rt[0:39:58] 15:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:12930, rt[0:40:17] 15:20 running slashem or nethack under the fuzzer feels... strange. It feels like some bot desperately trying to get somewhere 15:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy teleport control", on T:12941, rt[0:40:27] 15:20 Born '53 sa wikipedia 15:20 <@Joanna> I tried to get in touch with Mader but he didn't answer my email asking after him and fragmites 🙁 15:21 <@Joanna> You haven't seen Matt in some time either, have you? 15:21 Not since before the plague. 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Mars, on T:100682 15:21 <@Joanna> More recently than I then, perhaps 15:21 I think I'd know if he'd died, but nothing beyond that. 15:21 <@Joanna> Yea 15:21 <@Joanna> Well perhaps I'll run into him again eventually 15:21 <@Joanna> I always did like Matt 15:22 I like anyone who plays Stoat Soup (nah, I've always liked him too) 15:22 <@Joanna> Hahaha 15:23 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:13317, rt[0:43:04] 15:23 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:13319, rt[0:43:05] 15:23 K2, just got a crash while running slashem locally with the fuzzer, what should I do? 15:23 https://pastebin.com/v4tVDmAZ 15:23 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:13421, rt[0:43:46] 15:24 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:13431, rt[0:44:00] 15:24 thanks 15:24 there are some PR's incoming, i'd hold off running the fuzzer until then 15:25 OK 15:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:13914, rt[0:45:52] 15:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Mars, on T:23027 15:27 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:14326, rt[0:47:49] 15:27 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:14328, rt[0:47:52] 15:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:14573, rt[0:48:42] 15:29 <@Joanna> Invoc at 48 mins is good 15:29 <@Joanna> But is it Adeon good? 15:29 I locally ascended in 8 minutes 15:29 and lost the record 15:30 <@Joanna> Adeon: castle should be at 15min right? 15:30 <@Joanna> Hahhaa 15:30 yes 15:30 <@Joanna> Invoc at 20min 15:30 <@Joanna> Obviously 15:31 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (killed by the wounded invisible high priest of Moloch), on T:14797, rt[0:51:24] 15:31 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:14800, rt[0:51:34] 15:31 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:14803, rt[0:51:36] 15:31 <@Joanna> Adeon: lux claims to have an 11min asc local (bones stuffed) 15:32 <@Joanna> I cannot comment on the voracity of this claim, for obvious reasons 15:32 <@Joanna> But bones-stuffing is pretty broken 15:32 dmonsfree panics suck to figure out 15:32 impossibles usually, but under the fuzzer panics of course 15:33 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy fixed greased +2 helmofoppositealignment", on T:15178, rt[0:53:05] 15:33 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:15181, rt[0:53:07] 15:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:15657, rt[0:54:50] 15:35 amateurhour: running under eg. rr helps 15:35 amateurhour: https://rr-project.org/ 15:36 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 1063 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:16028, rt[0:56:27] 15:36 I need to get rr setup again for sure, thanks paxed 15:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "3 cursed gain level", on T:16157, rt[0:57:07] 15:37 definitely helps to see what happened the previous turn... 15:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "holy amulet of life saving", on T:16214, rt[0:57:19] 15:40 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:17327, rt[1:00:43] 15:41 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:17338, rt[1:01:13] 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1421 15:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ninja, on T:3074 15:43 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:17666, rt[1:03:21] 15:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:17687, rt[1:03:56] 15:44 rr sounds ineresting 15:44 *interesting 15:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 353856 points, T:17704, [1:04:09], ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/setseed/dumplog/1619894404.seed.html 15:44 i'n guessing there's a race tomorrow 15:44 i'm 15:44 congrats luxidream 15:44 <@Joanna> Yoooo 15:44 <@luxidream> the claim is very hungry yes 15:44 <@Joanna> Lux: pog 15:45 <@luxidream> there is no race, I just haven't gotten the chance to play in a while 15:45 <@Joanna> What are you planning on streaming tomorrow morning then? Regular epic sub-1 speedrun? 15:46 <@luxidream> yep 15:46 <@luxidream> it's been like 2 weeks since I've been able to stream 15:46 <@Joanna> Nice :3 15:46 <@Joanna> Yeeea u gotta get back into it 15:47 @luxidream Geeg 15:47 why "geeg"? i assume it's based on "gg" but it takes twice as long to type and is more confusing/less recognizable lol 15:48 is that just a new cool thing and I am behind the times? 15:48 in connection with streaming and such, i was wondering if there would be any interest in a regular jitsi meet to chat about specific topics 15:49 wouldn't have to use video, joining with audio would be fine 15:49 irc is too limiting for in-depth discussion 15:50 for those not in the know, jitsi is a free no account needed meeting platform 15:50 https://meet.jit.si h/t aoei 15:52 <@Joanna> hothraxxa I'd be down 15:52 qt: it's a funni way of saying gg yes 15:52 I have Jitsi on this thankfully 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:48466 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:48470 15:53 <@Joanna> Sorta depends on topics and how regularly, my own schedule, etc. But in principle i think it's a nice idea 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 1367 points, T:3031, killed by a wounded giant spider 15:54 sure. regular means maybe once a week or bi-weekly, same time and day, topic to be picked in advance in here 15:55 jitsi works just fine via a (relatively modern) browser too 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3126 points, T:3772, killed by a wounded giant ant 15:55 yes that's how i used it 15:56 Righto 15:57 -!- qt has quit [Quit: be back later] 15:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) destroyed Acererak, on T:23847 15:57 <@Joanna> Yea hothraxxa 15:57 <@Joanna> I think it could be fun 15:58 "today let's discuss dev nerf syndrome: why do they have it and what can we do about it" 15:58 <@Joanna> Monthly or biweekly would probably be good for me 15:58 <@Joanna> Also: LOL 15:59 anyway i'm putting it out there. i'll mention it a couple more times in the next few days and see if we can get enough interest 15:59 I'm a weekly sorta person 16:00 <@luxidream> i imagine they have similar discussion about player buff syndrome 16:00 nobody would be expected to be regular 16:00 luxi: i bet they do, the rotters 16:01 actually it would be good to get a dev to discuss their variant and philosophy 16:01 <@Joanna> Lux: LMAO 16:01 <@Joanna> bhaak is the only dev who pays atten to what players do afaict 16:02 really? not k2 or aosdict, or fiq? 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:9834 16:02 <@luxidream> I see both paxed and patr on reddit 16:03 <@luxidream> and paxed is in irc too sometimes (hi) 16:03 paxed lurks. he a sly one, keep your eye out 16:03 <@Joanna> I meant vanilla devs hothraxxa 16:03 ah. got you 16:03 <@Joanna> paxed does lurk on irc 16:04 <@Joanna> Whether he listens is anyone's guess 16:04 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/README.md#design-philosophy 16:04 <@Joanna> bhaak engages with me and gives the impression of listening 16:04 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Arc Ang Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8405 16:04 @Joanna bhaak just humors you because you have cool boots 16:04 do you use #nethack? 16:04 <@Joanna> Shit, K2, is that really all it is? D: 16:05 yup 16:05 paxed was fairly active there when i was a regular 16:05 <@Joanna> I'm in that chan hothraxxa but i pay more atten in here tbg 16:05 <@Joanna> Tbh* 16:05 paxed listens 16:05 you may not always like his response, but he listens 16:05 <@Joanna> Also #nethack seems much less active in general 16:05 <@Joanna> Ok K2 fair lol 16:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Spammailer90 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:35783 16:08 #nethack is quite inactive :/ only Rodney output almost 16:11 There's activity but it's pretty scatter shot 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 200 points, T:617, killed by a boiling potion 16:12 devils in slex are almost demon and not human right? 16:12 <@riker> when in doubt assume they have the worst traits of both 16:14 lol 16:15 why am i, at least half demon the same race as the gay boy monster then? 16:17 i even have claws 16:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 4991 points, T:7824, killed by a critically wounded wolf 16:19 "If your only unicorn horn is cursed and you lack sources of remove curse but you know that you are in good standing with your god, you can wield the horn and #pray – having no free hands counts as a major trouble, as the horn is a two-handed weapon, and praying successfully will uncurse the horn. However, should this process fail, you're in serious trouble, so you should only do this if you're certain that the prayer will succeed." 16:20 <@riker> murphys law applied to slex states that "if something could possibly benefit the player, it will instead be modified to fuck over the player whenever possible" 16:20 ^busy overhauling unicorn horn article 16:20 pretty sure I can just remove the quoted, right? 16:20 <@riker> probably, tbh. most of the time you'd get it cursed you wouldnt be able to pray anyway right? 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 374 points, T:1537, killed by an uninjured sewer rat 16:21 <@luxidream> i mean that's a way to uncurse a bones unicorn horn 16:21 there's a bunch of ways 16:22 <@riker> that's true luxi 16:22 they're listed a few paragraphs before in the current revised draft 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4157 points, T:3920, killed by a wounded Woodland-elf 16:22 <@luxidream> in any case it's not useless information 16:22 <@luxidream> and might not be totally obvious 16:22 Fair 16:23 Is why I asked, was hoping you'd chime in 16:24 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24 <@riker> I'd edit it down to something like "unicorn horns are two handed weapons, and can be uncursed via prayer with it wielded if needed. this is a risky option due to the price of failure", idk, something a bit shorter 16:26 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 16:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed the first wraithworm, on T:24843 16:34 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 16:37 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 230 points, T:1039, killed by a large mimic 16:38 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3856 points, T:4251, killed by a mumak 16:45 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Mon Gia Fem Law), 60314 points, T:12522, killed by a xorn 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3882 16:52 i quaffed from a fontain one time in slex and immediately unleashed a water demon 16:52 but it was peaceful because i am demon, too. but i killed it anyways for experience 16:53 "You see here a bone club named The Longbone of Banana {4}." 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4529 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3242 17:02 -!- Roho has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3433 17:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4963 17:07 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:102469 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 2574 points, T:5197, killed by wounded Mr. Akureyri; the shopkeeper 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5026 17:08 -!- cccrow has joined #hardfought 17:09 yahallo 17:09 Hi. 17:09 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 17:10 YANI: Being polymorphed while wielding a unicorn horn has a decent chance to polymorph you into a unicorn of your alignment. 17:10 hi cccrow 17:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1201, rt[0:02:00] 17:10 sup 17:11 Umbire: "Be yourself! Unless you can be a unicorn. Then, be a unicorn!" 17:11 lol 17:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:1987, rt[0:04:09] 17:14 -!- Luxor_ has joined #hardfought 17:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3650, rt[0:08:42] 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8156 points, T:7205, killed by a wounded fire ant 17:18 -!- Luxor has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:21 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5374, rt[0:13:11] 17:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 760 points, T:1101, killed by a gnome lord 17:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] simpleliquid (Val Hum Fem Law), 1246 points, T:1603, killed by a giant ant 17:28 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2874 17:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3313 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3605 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3399 17:33 i got punished yet again 17:34 and its an ether ball and a foam hostage chain. i dont get why i cant just smash the chain. slex logic? 17:39 <@nabru> slex is its own thing with its own set of rules. 17:40 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:9185, rt[0:32:19] 17:43 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 holy charging", on T:9612, rt[0:34:55] 17:43 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed genocide", on T:9614, rt[0:35:03] 17:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:10180, rt[0:37:47] 17:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:10181, rt[0:37:51] 17:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:7133 17:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:10678, rt[0:39:42] 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:7624 17:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:10877, rt[0:42:03] 17:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy ring of teleport control", on T:10878, rt[0:42:09] 17:52 [hdf-us] [gh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5301 points, T:4457, killed by a dwarvish king 17:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:11679, rt[0:43:55] 17:53 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:11895, rt[0:45:12] 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Slayer, on T:49577 17:55 omg i got a +7 weapon from a scroll of random enchantment 17:56 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 179764 points, T:12256, [0:47:56], quit 17:56 nice 17:57 !lastgame Luxidream 17:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:57 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/setseed/dumplog/1619903316.seed.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/slex/dumplog/1544654684.slex.txt 17:57 ouch 17:57 <@luxidream> Your ring called telecont turns to dust and vanishes! Your ring of polymorph control turns to dust and vanishes! Your ring of searching turns to dust and vanishes! Your ring of levitation turns to dust and vanishes! Your ring of free action turns to dust and vanishes! 17:58 then conflict shortly followed 17:58 <@luxidream> literally steps from obtaining reflection 17:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 5907 points, T:5018, killed by a dwarf lady 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:10740 18:03 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 18:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4757 18:12 Oh gross. 18:13 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1142 points, T:1359, killed by a hobbit 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:13683 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:50605 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:50610 18:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Gia Fem Neu), 698 points, T:986, killed by a mountain dwarf 18:17 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 107 points, T:664, killed by a fox 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 285 points, T:644, killed by a wounded kobold lord 18:17 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 157 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:23822, rt[3:57:24] 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:50831 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5900 18:24 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:1571, rt[0:03:08] 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:6020 18:26 fuuu slex bones files 18:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1307 18:27 [hdf-eu] [slex] NetSysFire (Gla Dev Fem Cha) killed the secret advice member of Draco, the former Hidden Operative, on T:10353 18:27 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2266 points, T:3071, [0:06:21], quit 18:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1147 points, T:664, escaped 18:29 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:24408, rt[4:08:31] 18:29 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:24409, rt[4:08:34] 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a leather golem, on T:5049 18:30 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1369, rt[0:02:36] 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Candidate, on T:1737 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 4062 points, T:5196, killed by an owlbear, while praying 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 448 points, T:260, killed by an uninjured hobbit 18:32 [hdf-eu] [seed] jt (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 35 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:24557, rt[4:11:45] 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Demogorgon, on T:103024 18:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2154, rt[0:06:25] 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (krakens), on T:48 18:41 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2704, rt[0:07:33] 18:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:41 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:103070 18:46 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 18:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5151, rt[0:14:44] 18:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 3200 points, T:4502, killed by a bolt of cold 18:55 -!- cccrow has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:58 sub 15 sokoban completion still blows my mind 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 148 points, T:620, killed by a wand 19:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8678 19:00 -!- cccrow has joined #hardfought 19:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:9851, rt[0:28:56] 19:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:9852, rt[0:28:59] 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 13066 points, T:8956, killed by a heavily wounded ape 19:03 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:11027, rt[0:30:25] 19:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "holy ring of conflict", on T:12101, rt[0:36:19] 19:11 [hdf-eu] [slex] NetSysFire (Gla Dev Fem Cha), 83363 points, T:12813, killed by a monster (pwn-bubble golem), while sleeping 19:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:12532, rt[0:38:58] 19:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:12534, rt[0:39:00] 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3157 19:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:12747, rt[0:39:55] 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3340 19:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:13258, rt[0:42:13] 19:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:13263, rt[0:42:15] 19:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:13272, rt[0:42:34] 19:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1817 points, T:3506, killed by a slightly wounded gnome queen 19:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:13296, rt[0:43:03] 19:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:13424, rt[0:44:04] 19:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:13426, rt[0:44:05] 19:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy fixed greased +2 helmofoppositealignment", on T:13687, rt[0:46:29] 19:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:13690, rt[0:46:31] 19:21 go Luxidream 19:24 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:14382, rt[0:50:17] 19:24 <@luxidream> gonna take a break 19:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:28355 19:32 * amateurhour gasps 19:33 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:103556 19:33 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:103557 19:39 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: boopboop boop] 19:39 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Abdlabl (Mon Inc Fem Neu) completed Lokoban, on T:6225 19:40 Hi Ammy 19:43 henlo 19:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "wand of fire", on T:14769, rt[0:52:20] 19:45 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:14789, rt[0:52:34] 19:45 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:14871, rt[0:53:00] 19:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "3 cursed gain level", on T:15088, rt[0:53:53] 19:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "", on T:15091, rt[0:53:55] 19:47 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "3 cursed gain level", on T:15207, rt[0:54:30] 19:47 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:15437, rt[0:55:16] 19:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:49 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:16315, rt[0:57:20] 19:55 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:17183, rt[1:02:33] 19:55 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:17213, rt[1:03:09] 19:56 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 343386 points, T:17232, rt[1:03:36], wc[1:22:43], poisoned by Pestilence (with the Amulet) 19:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] arkanoid (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15423 20:03 -!- spicyCebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:05 Hooa is weak. It doesn't save time. It saves you from having to deal with astral. The time is like nothing 20:06 i'm the only one who views it that way so it doesn't matter 20:06 rip luxidream 20:06 rip 20:06 actually... back in the day on rgrn others felt the same 20:06 but yes rip 20:07 You sure seem to like bringing it up at literally every opportunity 20:07 when you say it doesn't save time what do you mean? 20:07 yes i do 20:07 it bothers me that the best players do it 20:07 i stand in awe of players like luxidream 20:08 i don't bring it up that much 20:08 a few times a year maybe 20:08 It's done with a clear objective in mind and people that do it can easily do it without so... 20:08 save a wish and ascend at the first altar 20:08 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Abdlabl (Mon Inc Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:9236 20:08 it's weak to me and i suck at this game comparatively 20:09 i'm not hurting luxidreams feelings, umby... 20:09 Good thing this ain't about his feelings :v 20:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] zor (Kni Dwa Mal Law), 838 points, T:1170, killed by a piranha 20:10 it bothers me that all the best players seem to use bag of holding 20:10 weak imo just hit the gym and get stronger so you can carry more 20:10 it's not like some crafty thing to wish for it... It's basically escaping but you save a wish so the game calls it an ascensiuon 20:11 that's a wish you could have used on something else though 20:11 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 20:11 yasi: boxing glove traps 20:11 ascending on the wrong altar is escaping. which is very respectable! 20:11 also, hooa is useful for becoming chaotic to reduce mysterious farce 20:11 is your beef just about astral? 20:12 no 20:12 the whole thing 20:12 but yeah 20:12 Not even that silly 20:12 when people do it on astral for the most part 20:12 instead of doing the tour 20:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 604 points, T:740, killed by a wounded hill orc 20:12 i think it's weak. anyone can save a wish 20:12 In fact if you wanna nudge it towards "legitimate" YANI, make it so that you get random gloves if you manage to destory or untrap them 20:13 Would have to use different generation rules, probably take out fumbling and lower the chance of non-leather gloves comparatively? 20:13 * Umbire thinking emojis 20:13 anyone? you've played a lot so you could save a wish or even ascend wishless 20:13 no 20:14 i mean all you have to do is save a wish and you can ascend at the first altar. it doesn't seem right 20:14 you can already ascend at the firt altar 20:14 1/3 chance 20:14 gets changed to 1/2 chance 20:14 you're playing for this god the whole game and then at the end, you're gonna trick him and ascend at the WRONG altar ? 20:14 weak 20:15 change your alignment? 20:15 yeah, can be a yani like that too 20:15 it's not a real ascension 20:15 it's escaping 20:15 sorry 20:15 Not like Luxi's hurting his gods feelings 20:15 and luxi doesn't care what i think about it 20:15 (that we can tell, real stoic bunch divinity can be) 20:15 and i don't care that umby is bothered about me caring about it 20:16 we can coexist 20:16 Pretty sure I'm not the only one considering how many times we've had this episode 20:16 i've already said i'm in the minority 20:16 I just don't understand it, I think it's a clever thing 20:16 but it used to be frowned upon 20:16 how is it clever??!?! 20:16 it's cheating 20:16 It's clever in the same way shoplifting's clever 20:17 something fully in the rules of that game that improves your odds 20:17 it's an escape 20:17 that's fine 20:17 NetHack encourages a lot of "underhanded" shit in that style, that's just the logical conclusion at that point 20:17 it's not an escape it's handing the amulet to the god of your alignment 20:17 unless you're suggesting that ascensions without a grand tour aren't real 20:17 mandatory grand tour or weak escape? 20:18 how am i saying that? 20:18 I'm saying you give the amulet to the god you played for all game 20:18 because you're saying you can ascend at the first altar 20:18 for that HOUR or whatever the fuck 20:18 amateurhour: exactly, didn't say it had to be your original alignment o; 20:18 well what about permanent conversion post quest then? 20:18 you guys are arguing like i don't understand why it works technically 20:18 it's weak sauce 20:18 luxi knows it deep down 20:18 I do the quest, sacrifice to try convert an altar but I kicked a few puppies on the way 20:19 I think evilhack already thought about that and added a sort of punishment if you ascend while wearing a HoOA. This could be backported to vanilla :P 20:19 I'm now chaotic instead of lawful 20:19 *if you try to ascend 20:19 have I now lost or would ascending be real 20:19 more that we don't understand the arbitrarily high value given to alignment loyalty seemingly out of nowhere 20:19 <@luxidream> so I thought you apologized and weren't going to bring this up again 20:19 it's not "clever" when everone does it... 20:19 haha 20:19 <@luxidream> what made you feel like doing it tonight 20:20 i'm just teasing 20:20 "it's not "clever" when everone does it..." 20:20 * Umbire coughs in pudding farming 20:20 love you luxi 20:20 pretty involved for teasing but :v 20:20 you're better than everyone here. but it's just how i feel. i promise for REAL i'll never bring it up again 20:20 hey luxidream are you feeling a little better today? 20:22 <@luxidream> yeah I'm still tilted though :v 20:22 <@luxidream> sigh 20:22 better tilted than still ill haha 20:27 bug_sniper: Oh yeah, anything else you considered adding to the idea? 20:28 I figure it was just an off-the-cuff deal but you know how I get with those 20:29 Maybe zap traps. When you disarm them, a wand falls to the grounds. 20:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Toxophilite (Ran Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1 20:31 @Umbire, how about boxing glove zap traps where the glove hold wands and point them at you and zap you if a monster triggers them? 20:32 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:32 Sounds like beam traps 20:32 Only a bit more fun 20:32 Hmmm 20:33 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 20:36 YANI: The auroch, a rare and golden-bull like angelic being with power comparable to (but not matching) that of a ki-rin. 20:42 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Abdlabl (Mon Inc Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed Greased Fixed +3 Premium Heart", on T:11244 20:43 umby: i'm changing the subject, and i know i made a comment regarding puddings the other night. But ftr, I've never pudding farmed in my life. Wouldn't even know how to begin. I just found that article interesting 20:45 i like the back and forth and how they nerfed so much in 3.6 20:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had an ironshod staff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:1357 20:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] BifphWombat (Val Hum Fem Law), 431 points, T:775, killed by a wounded gnome lady 20:48 I only brought it up because I'd been editing the farming article recently 20:49 <@Umby> lol 20:49 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/838215498369728552/unknown.png 20:49 i read that last night 20:49 really enjoyed 20:49 <@Umby> tangentially related since I'd been working on unicorn/horn stuff as well 20:49 anyone got vaccinated here? i might YASD on this run? 20:51 getting second pfizer shot on monday 20:51 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 20:51 is sinovac safe? 20:51 what is it like in europe do you guys have easy access to vaccines if you want? 20:52 i'm blown away by how efficiently they are doing it here 20:52 are they fast? 20:53 yeah it's crazy. i thought i'd have to sit in a room and wait for my name to be called or sometihng lol. i never stood in one place. it's like the military running it and you just walk through 20:53 what state are you in rebatela? 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4106 20:53 massachusetts 20:53 boston 20:54 -!- Luxor has joined #hardfought 20:54 but it's just a constant flow of people , but so organized 20:54 was it literally the military running it? or do you just mean there was a sort of military efficiency to the procedure? 20:54 no 20:54 national guard 20:54 but yeah i mean they're wearing camo.. it's just really really well organized and a huge operation 20:54 wow, interesting. I don't think there was anything like that when I did my first shot, everyone seemed to be a civilian 20:56 -!- Luxor_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:57 you are in the US qt? 20:57 yeah, in NYC 20:58 yankees suck 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:104687 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:104687 20:58 i'm telling them you said that, they're gonna be so mad 20:59 ;) 20:59 deym, here in PH, they use sinovac 20:59 with a notoriusly low effectiveness 20:59 I mean the Yanks actually kinda blow this season so 21:00 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:104702 21:02 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:11252 21:03 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 1618 points, T:3278, killed by a giant ant 21:04 -!- microla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:06 qt: yankees suck 21:06 boston's a LOT smaller than NYC.... So they set up these large convention centers and you just go there and funnell through and they give you the shot and you schedule the next one it took maybe 5 mins. 21:06 aosdict is a mets fan? 21:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] arkanoid (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +5 erodeproof helm of brilliance", on T:16607 21:07 Umbire: why would the auroch be angelic rather than a q? they're similar to cows 21:07 rebatela: red sox fan 21:07 shhh don't tell anyone I'll be murdered in my bed 21:07 oh hell yeah. high five! 21:07 Here they have a similar thing set up at our big ol' state fair grounds 21:08 I was shocked at how quick and easy it was 21:08 where are you neko-chan? 21:08 if you don't mind 21:08 Minnesota 21:08 coold 21:08 cool 21:08 and cold 21:08 yeah it surprised me. i was expecting a shit show 21:08 Honestly, I live in minneapolis and a bunch of dudes in camo stress me out because we have been sort of under a military occupation lately 21:09 but I was very happy to just be ushered through and in then out 21:09 getting my second shot in a week 21:09 nice 21:12 aosdict: "golden bull-like angelic creature" 21:13 i.e. pun on "aura" 21:13 also I never thought a state could make me hate the entire country more than fucking Florida but here we are 21:15 also hi Neko-chan glad you're vaxxed 21:16 I'm half vaxxed 21:16 officially I think you are fully vaccinated two weeks after the second short for pfizer or moderna 21:16 I got first shot exactly one week ago 21:17 Yeah, that's my impression as well Adeon 21:17 went to a health center which had been streamlined for vaccination 21:17 very airport-like experience 21:17 go to line, they check appointment from QR code 21:17 vaccinations here in Brazil are going reaaaaaaaaaally slowly :/ at this rate I will be vaccinated ... by the end of the year 21:17 go to another line 21:17 they'll guide you to vaccination spot 21:17 then they STABBBB you with anti-covid 21:17 go sit on a bench for 30 minutes before you leave in case something bad happens 21:18 go to checkout, they give your next appointment, get out 21:18 they were processing a lot of people this way 21:18 nabru: hopefully it starts accelerating :c 21:18 "Seen as one of the most valuable assets that a person could possess, unicorn horns were given as diplomatic gifts, and chips and dust from them could be purchased at apothecaries as universal antidotes until the 18th century. Sections of horns were later displayed in cabinets of curiosities. The horn was used to create sceptres and other royal objects, such as the unicorn throne of the Danish kings, the sceptre and imperial crown of the Austrian 21:18 Empire, and the scabbard and the hilt of the sword of Charles the Bold." 21:18 God, I hope so 21:18 🤔🤔🤔🤔 21:18 also christ, Brazil? 21:19 yep :/ 21:19 Poor bastard, hopefully it speeds up for you 21:19 Our president really botched stuff up and we were late to buy vaccines 21:19 I'll probably keep wearing masks for awhile though. 21:19 I'll keep wearing masks for a long time 21:19 Same 21:20 I've heard not-good things about gov't there, all I'll say 21:20 don't wanna drive things too off-topic but it's so so fucked 21:20 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:104894 21:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Hum Fem Neu), 165 points, T:307, killed by touching Water Flowers 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:104968 21:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of elven boots entrusted to her by Mars, on T:27592 21:37 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Geryon, on T:105366 21:38 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1208 21:40 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1025 points, T:1288, killed by a hobbit 21:41 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 21:46 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Abdlabl (Mon Inc Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed Magic Marker", on T:14055 21:46 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Hea Hob Mal Neu), 1858 points, T:3933, quit 21:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] Toxophilite (Ran Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3197 21:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] Toxophilite (Ran Elf Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:3256 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1620 21:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] Toxophilite (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3616 21:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 508 points, T:1690, killed by a heavily wounded gnome mummy 21:58 [hdf-us] [evil] terrapin (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 243 points, T:1068, killed by a giant rat 22:06 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:106406 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] cccrow (Val Hum Fem Law), 815 points, T:1216, killed by a dagger 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:106605 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 576 points, T:2436, killed by a wounded gnome lord, while praying 22:22 [hdf-us] [4k] Dr. Pistola (nabru) (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 2406 points, T:632, killed by a sewer rat 22:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Nob Inc Fem Neu), 3877 points, T:1652, killed by a dwarf 22:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:106866 22:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the Black Horse, on T:106867 22:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:36 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 22:39 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:106917 22:40 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:106924 22:40 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the saddled White Horse, on T:106925 22:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:106939 22:49 -!- hollywood-vishnu has joined #hardfought 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:107002 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:107010 22:52 [hdf-us] [evil] cccrow (Sam Hum Fem Law), 494 points, T:1310, zombified by a dwarf zombie 22:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 4610800 points, T:107024, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/V/VaderFLAG/evilhack/dumplog/1612856875.evil.html 22:52 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:53 Geeg 22:53 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Abdlabl (Mon Inc Fem Neu) was given the Cloak of the Unheld One, on T:14968 22:56 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Abdlabl (Mon Inc Fem Neu) was given the Garnet Rod, on T:15108 23:02 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 7138 points, T:5711, killed by an owlbear 23:03 !who 23:03 hollywood-vishnu: [hdf-us] slarty [nh370] vor [dnh] Som [dnh] Sig [dnh] windowlicker [xnh] Abdlabl [ndnh] bouquet [evil] dbanethacker [evil] | [hdf-au] Arahael [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players 23:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] Abdlabl (Mon Inc Fem Neu), 429521 points, T:15749, killed by a minotaur, while praying 23:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Mon Swn Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1205 23:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:5857 23:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Arc Vam Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed Fixed Helping Hand", on T:31910 23:09 I forget, what's that do again? 23:10 I imagine it doesn't do the dishes for you. :( 23:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed cccrow's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1180 23:15 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1259 points, T:1134, killed by a rothe 23:18 [hdf-au] [evil] cccrow (Sam Hum Fem Law), 436 points, T:1186, killed by a werejackal 23:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1456 points, T:2286, escaped 23:19 !lastgame coplate 23:19 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/coplate/nethack/dumplog/1611178693.nh.html 23:23 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6162 23:29 -!- cccrow has quit [Quit: cccrow] 23:33 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Sig (Mon Swn Fem Neu) wished for "+3 blessed greased fixed Premium Heart", on T:1547 23:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7125 23:37 what are some good creatures to genocide? 23:41 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 4481 points, T:4747, killed by a fire ant 23:42 liches, mind flayers 23:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] windowlicker (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayers), on T:3217 23:43 done 23:43 <@nabru> Liches até also a good genocide choice 23:43 <@nabru> *are 23:43 Slash'EM updated (all servers) 23:43 ^ some bug fixes 23:44 !who 23:44 K2: [hdf-us] KrO2 [dnh] vor [dnh] Som [dnh] Sig [dnh] windowlicker [xnh] dbanethacker [evil] coplate [evil] | [hdf-au] Arahael [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players 23:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] windowlicker (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1362 points, T:3229, killed by a moderately wounded gnome lord 23:44 welp lmao 23:45 -!- hollywood-vishnu has quit [Quit: cya] 23:47 <{Demo}> flashem 23:49 heh 23:50 i fuzzed slashem, got past 100k turns 23:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 36064 points, T:8977, killed by a sea dragon 23:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 23:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] vor (Bin Hum Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:9689