00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:70248 00:02 should i avoid advancing quarterstaff beyond Basic bc of magicgane 00:02 b* 00:02 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:70269 00:03 I mean I guess it's fine 00:04 if that gold dagger isn't cursed could start training now 00:04 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:70324 00:04 still plenty of slots even if you do 00:06 I usually just start using daggers as soon as possible, but I don't think there's a need to avoid becoming skilled in staves. Expert might be an issue if you want to switch to Magicbane early on. 00:06 i.e. before about level 12. 00:06 ty andrio 00:06 Also, if you're skilled with the staff, you can smash opponents' weapons. 00:06 oh? what #disarm ? 00:07 just a small chance in vanilla on each hit. 00:07 nice 00:07 Not sure hether variants keep that. 00:07 i always play X 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6077 00:08 Oh yeah, two-handed weapons can shatter your opponent's weapon 00:08 5% chance per hit 00:08 I forget are artifacts shatterproofed for this or 00:09 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed Charon, on T:70393 00:13 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:70431 00:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:22811 00:15 Jasperon ate Jasper. F 00:15 F 00:24 that was just sickness damage from the corpse being slightly aged 00:24 ah 00:24 I think that also abuses constitution 00:24 (the sick damage I mean) 00:25 oooooooooooooooooooooooh 00:25 silver banded mail 00:25 but it's heavy... 00:25 nice, actually got a book 00:26 don't forget to finish readin' it 00:26 oh fuck yes 00:26 oh awesome! 00:27 more to ID 00:28 !! 00:28 whew now ig otta figure out what to drop here 00:28 mummy wrapping ig 00:28 can unload most of your spellbooks here unless they're for a spell that expires soon 00:29 any of them are for* 00:29 honestly no clue 00:29 how many turns is that 10k 00:29 20k 00:29 we're at 7500 00:29 oh so none 00:30 it also shows retention in the spell menu 00:30 this being xNet though 00:30 I'd keep the books for stuff you plan to cast often 00:30 say magmis or remove curse 00:33 hey ive got enhance armor 00:33 can i just put the scales on my cloak of MR 00:34 Oh lord that dog got pancaked 00:34 also checking... 00:34 just flat undudeified 00:34 haha 00:34 flat 00:34 haha........... 00:34 :[ 00:34 ya 00:34 also no, it has to be something worn under the scales 00:35 so basically standard armor but ALSO counting shirts maybe 00:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:15321 00:35 im assuming that silver banded mail is too metal 00:35 Yeah banded mail cuts into casting ability a lot in vanilla 00:35 so guessing it's the same here + that shit heavy 00:36 Andrio: any luck in recent games? 00:36 noticed you haven't mentioned them much 00:36 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Und Dop Fem Neu), 37583 points, T:3485, killed by a monster (elogreater mummy), while trying to turn undead monsters 00:36 F 00:37 they turned her unliving. says a lot about are scoiety 00:40 okay so how do i sclae this bitch 00:42 I keep splatting on 4-3 of Spelunky 2. :( 00:42 you there umbicus 00:42 Or Olmec. 00:42 Yeah 00:42 Aw Andrio :c 00:42 Rif you ever play spelunky 00:43 Okay so light armor is something I'm not familiar with 00:43 indeed 00:43 i haven't 00:43 so what do i do 00:44 you wear the armor 00:44 then you wear the scales 00:44 and read the scroll of EA? 00:44 Mhm 00:44 thanky 00:44 it always targets the scales 00:45 if you're wearing them 00:45 hell yeah 00:45 could get the AC up a but more but as far as I'm concerned we're cooking with oil 00:45 well there's lots of room to enhance everything next time i see EA 00:45 although is it possible to write a spellbook of it 00:45 yahuh 00:46 uh no, there's never been a spellbook of it 00:46 hm 00:46 unless you played SLASH'EM 00:46 we do not speak of this 00:46 speak of what 00:47 no seriously i played slash'em/slex a lot back in my community college days (c. 2005-08) and eventually i lost interest 00:47 was joak, showing compliance 00:47 (that said, RIP) 00:47 i wanted to fire guns in a roguelike but it wasn't a good enough system of that 00:47 CDDA definitely gave me my fix of that 00:48 you can also customize whether the ammo is realistic or simplified down into "pistol ammo" "shot" etc 00:48 ic 00:48 Andrio, re: Splunks, you speedrun/race it any or? 00:49 should I write a spellbook of sleep? polymorph? teleport? 00:49 or just work it out later when i need more advanced shit 00:49 after i make this decision im gonna save, stretch and smoke 00:49 I'd work it out later 00:49 k thx 00:49 seems logical 00:49 esp. since my own brain is currently the fogged 00:50 it is the valid 00:54 Andrio: What Spelunky stuff do you think would fit NH that isn't in there already? 00:54 also 00:54 kinda just bombarding you with questions atm 6_9 00:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:25374 00:55 Umbire, does the tutorial speedrun count? 00:55 hm 00:56 Ironically a few Spelunky mechanics came from NetHack, like the altars. 00:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3910 00:56 I sorta see the resemblance 00:58 ppl in here really underestimate the influence of NH on all other games and nerd shit 00:58 -!- hisacro has quit [Quit: \o|] 00:59 i showed them a cartoon clip where robin from batman escapes a witch bc she gets scared by expensive camera flashes and some ppl were like naaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah that's just A Thing 00:59 I mean it stands to reason 00:59 though in that case I likely would've said it was a thing before NH too 00:59 that said idk for sure if it was 01:00 it's so specific 01:00 isn't spelunky procedurally generated 01:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 90468 points, T:17339, choked on a black pudding corpse 01:00 think so? 01:01 I don't have much knowledge of the innards beyond some specifics 01:01 altars are a cheap quick exposition trick in all media for many, so many decades 01:01 if an altar works just like the nethack one it is 6000% intentional 01:01 and for that matter, if it doesn't 01:01 In Spelunky, you can instakill vampires by flashing the camera at them. 01:02 unfortunately there are no gremlins though. 01:02 that one is mixed 01:02 Also mummies. 01:02 in terms of certainty that it's a reference 01:02 iisn't that implied in a ton of vampire media that's agnostic to RLs 01:02 mhm 01:02 Yeah. 01:02 sunlight being a common weakness 01:03 and mirrors not showing them 01:03 those're prob. related 01:03 so it very well could be 01:03 but possible common origin 01:03 !tell @luxor Hey 01:03 I'm on it, Roho. 01:04 hi Roho 01:04 Do you know Luxor or how I can chat with him? 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:36839 01:05 Nope 01:06 You tried mailing them in the middle of a game? 01:06 -!- hisacro has joined #hardfought 01:06 man, my preference for meyers vs corden has totally flipped. if i catch meyers live im always like oh lord theyve got him doing another interview with another asshole actor who's in something coming out on NBC, and oh look it's amber ruffin overplaying her hand as a supposed amateur on camera 01:06 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1269 points, T:1320, killed by a gnome lord 01:07 I know nothing about either of those people 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 282 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:36996 01:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lady, on T:4609 01:08 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:4643 01:09 maybe for the best, they're the cbs and nbc late night talk show hosts, james corden is the large gay english one who's always making his guests play comedy games, and seth meyers is the hetero-coded Jewish one who has a sort of hollywood dinner party vibe 01:10 Oh 01:10 you have probably seen a bit of at least one of those guys' appearances on other stuff to promote their shows 01:10 I don't do talk shows like that no mores 01:10 i wasn't into them until very recently 01:10 I recall Meyers in particular now but yeah 01:10 he used to do like a generation bridging political thing 01:11 Sounds about right 01:11 now it seems his specialty is pretending that his zoom calls with celebrities are genuine conversations that clue everyone in on how the stars live 01:11 a lot of his jokes were overwritten before but at least there was some charm for people who burned out on narcissists in so cal 01:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Hum Fem Neu) was given Mirror Brand, on T:26708 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:38123 01:18 bleah. 01:20 anyway, some ontopic https://twitter.com/sellottie/status/1375067863757824002?s=20 01:24 I wonder if dnh has gulls 01:26 tehw ay i think of it that interaction is the non-dungeon equivalent to being harassed by monsters that seem on the surfcae like they should be much less trouble 01:27 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Und Dop Mal Neu), 217 points, T:544, killed by a monster (Pustulence) 01:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] AntiVirus (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1327 points, T:2761, killed by a water moccasin 01:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 13944 points, T:5877, killed by an acidic corpse 01:33 something something dudley and newts 01:33 Newt Dudlich 01:36 god there are so many gambling ads in PA/NJ it's horrifying really 01:37 draft kings commercial for reasonable gambling month where they say htey want you to play 'for fun' (they definitely know better about their user base) then a betmgm commercial that says "Online gambling is in good hands:)" then a draftkings commercial about why you should gamble right now 01:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 1909 points, T:1470, killed by a parrot 01:43 eugh 01:48 -!- rld1 has joined #hardfought 01:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld1] by ChanServ 01:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 2066 points, T:2283, killed by a gnome mummy 01:50 -!- rld has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:51 -!- rld1 is now known as rld 01:54 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Und Dop Mal Neu), 1079 points, T:1001, petrified by a tasting petrifying meat (mutated undead cockatrice) 01:56 <@riker> !lastgame slex 01:56 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Draco/slex/dumplog/1616823354.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/slex/dumplog/1616582739.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/E/ElPsyCongrooGoku/slex/dumplog/1616800791.slex.txt 01:58 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Hea Hob Fem Neu) stole 250 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Aklavik's general store, on T:1021 01:59 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 226 points, T:1031, killed by a Keystone Kop, while sleeping 01:59 Operation Ivy cover https://i.postimg.cc/Dw0XDdfB/image.png 02:00 <@riker> !whereis luxor 02:00 @riker: [hdf-us] luxor [slshm]: No details available 02:00 I don't get it 02:03 <@riker> ska punk bnand 02:03 I guess you had to be there (or image search "operation ivy cover", but for me remembering Sound System immediately was part of the experience) 02:03 i actually was not so into ska back when it was a fresher project, but it was hugely influential on punk and oi people 02:04 <@riker> oh, are you british? 02:04 haha 02:04 my connection to the world of oi is through a SHARP member from Tujunga, Los Angeles 02:04 <@riker> LMAO 02:05 <@riker> that's like, 35-45 minutes from me I think. small world 02:05 he and his friends used to run this trick where one of them would wear a big gaudy star of david necklace, inevitably attracting one of the area's many nazis, who would suddenly realize there was a carful of tradskins with melee tools right next to them 02:07 then one of them owuld get the confiscated nazi vest to hang up on their wall 02:07 <@riker> are you socal cnt? 02:07 i lived in san diego for 21 years, i live in NJ now 02:07 <@riker> oh neat 02:07 it was really nice then 02:07 <@riker> i'm pasadena area, near LA 02:07 <@riker> less nice now! 02:07 a bit 02:08 unless you really like wildfire, heat waves, German cockroaches, gentrifiers, and the other kind of English 02:09 tsunami warnings, radiation leaks, narcissists, insane prices on everything, 02:09 <@riker> yeah, I live relatively close to an area in constant wildfire danger :/ been a while since one,too 02:10 San Diego was the sort of deeply grim place where Food Not Bombs wouldn't tell people the food they offered was from the trash becuase then they might not eat it. no huge surprise that every epidemic in the area sets up shop in SD for a good long while 02:11 I found out about this second hand because my inherited pickup truck and easy access meant the FNB people didn't want me around or someone might do some shit right 02:11 <@riker> i think the last time I was down there was like, 4 years ago? visited my aunt for the weekend, she lives there full time 02:11 <@riker> ah, ouch 02:13 UCSD really ruined san diego for me bc i'd met a whole lot of hungry people and then one of my schoolmates showed me how to eat like royalty from the trash cans in the food court bc those rich kids would buy a huge platter of meat, vegetables and rice, eat the meat and throw it away so much that every trash can was emptied every like 20 minutes and stuffed with good, clean, hot expensive food 02:14 i went out with one of the other left wing co-op kids whose dad was a union lawyer from menlo and after we finished she went to throw away like 70% of the meal i must've looked at her like she was from mars 02:15 <@riker> where'd you go? sdsu? 02:15 UCSD 02:15 different vibe at state 02:15 <@riker> ah interesting 02:16 other than the co-ops (which were like good resume fodder) everyone i met who wanted to take action was a transfer student from community colleges like me 02:18 at the time the UC"s business model was to leverage the fact that their rich kids wouldn't notice or care about flagrantly illegal shit, into construction loans for "venues" for the rich kids who would then be like "I'm so excited about and they already booked " 02:19 huh, FNB. 02:19 unusual that they'd do that, but more concerning that even back then food waste was that prolific 02:19 yeah, everywhere else it's a rather large deal that FNB is doing this stuff with everyone's consent 02:19 I'd imagine 02:20 like i went to the 2nd anarchist bookfair in LA and the local FNB people up there would be like "you know this is from the trash right?" like 4 times and make sure you spoke english 02:20 I mean it IS only fair you know ahead of time 02:21 but yeah 02:21 one thing i will say for san diego is that even the democrats and greens were usually vegetarian at least some of the time 02:21 also, the Critical Mass bike rides were pretty effective and they had the police housebroken 02:21 <@deathsushi> Holy mackeral, my friends and I just discovered Neil Breen's movies 02:22 <@deathsushi> I don't think I'll ever experience film the same way 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed ansic's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:2830 02:22 https://static.wikia.nocookie.net/memoryalpha/images/0/07/Pran.jpg/revision/latest/scale-to-width-down/292?cb=20060128135314&path-prefix=en 02:22 <@deathsushi> https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=j&q=&esrc=s&source=web&cd=&cad=rja&uact=8&ved=2ahUKEwj01ITf6s_vAhWiJzQIHakVD0YQwqsBMAB6BAgNEAQ&url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.youtube.com%2Fwatch%3Fv%3DS2BfsbZOuTI&usg=AOvVaw26cpLCOqjFw9J55neWaPP1 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3127 points, T:2946, killed by an uninjured gnome lady, while frozen by a monster's gaze 02:22 <@deathsushi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=S2BfsbZOuTI 02:24 I know the name but nothing about Breen comes to mind right this moment 02:24 really need some sleep. 02:24 <@deathsushi> Well don't watch that trailer then 02:25 <@riker> lol 02:25 I think I can handle a little schlock 02:25 i know nothing about these films 02:25 which I consider a positive sign off the bat 02:25 <@deathsushi> Haha 02:25 Actually no I remember him now lmfao 02:25 I've seen this 02:25 <@deathsushi> If you're a fan of the worst bad movies... this man is in a league of his own 02:26 OH one fo those guys 02:26 <@riker> that looks sucky 02:26 I can vouch for that much 02:26 <@riker> im intrigued 02:26 <@deathsushi> I'd put his stuff up there with The Room, Birdemic — this is holy ground 02:26 i know i'm really weird for this, but I prefer a Uwe Boll who is really trying his best to the "so bad it's good" thing 02:26 just personal style 02:27 <@deathsushi> Oh yeah, Uwe Boll is pretty good to 02:27 pretty much everyone i met in SD was the opposite, to the point where my closest friends made me watch Turdmonster 02:27 <@deathsushi> too* 02:28 that's a movie that knows exactly what it is and what it's doing at all times, and that was intensely unsettling for me 02:28 given that it's, you know, Turdmonster 02:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 251 points, T:651, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 02:31 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:31 <@deathsushi> those fountains.. 02:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:32 too much self-awareness can spoil the broth, I've found 02:33 i'm kind of impossible because i also think the universe imagined in Star Trek is broken based on French land inheritance law as depicted in 02:33 "Picard" 02:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 133 points, T:316, killed by a bear trap 02:39 !tell amateurhour marital arts enchantment means +5 damage with martial arts 02:39 LarienTelrunya: Message from amateurhour at 2021-03-26 16:34 EDT: I got scammed out of a soko prize 02:39 LarienTelrunya: Message from amateurhour at 2021-03-26 19:20 EDT: what does 'marital arts' enchantment do? 02:39 No worries, LarienTelrunya, I've got this! 02:42 oh fuck so those of you who were discussing the Marxist Landlord of philly with me the other day i finally just remembered her twitter @, it's @jessfromonline 02:42 @Umbire you can probably see what i mean about the visor 02:43 [hdf-au] [xnh] Orcranger (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1095 points, T:1664, killed by an elven dagger 02:43 Yeah, that name rings a bell or two, I think. 02:43 What about a visor though? 02:43 in her profile pic 02:44 Bad memory day for me so 02:44 right, I was thinking that but wasn't sure 02:44 and don't recall the significance of that just yet, probably gonna have to log dive at some later point 02:44 like she's doing a Geordie Startrek thing, there are also cyberpunk tattoos and she can tell you about all the philosophers that William Gibson references 02:44 "khane. jewish lesbian. marxist. educator. electronic musician and producer. agitprop write" 02:45 oh 02:45 To her credit she is genuinely an educator and 100% teaches kids 02:45 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:6442 02:45 Worrying. 02:45 a bit 02:45 also I need to dip into electronic music history, lot of the trans in there 02:46 yeah 02:46 so much info, no time, blah blah 02:46 yeah 02:46 same 02:46 won't mean shit if my brain disintegrates from an inability to sleep at reasonable times though 02:48 i don't know for sure if she's the one who scammed those tenants at the house she bought, bc secretly taking all their money and then showing her face to coo and "Of course I'll let you stay here for free, I wouldn't throw you all out on Christmas" or w/e 02:48 most of my current brain capacity went towards expanding a trope article on riddles 02:48 would just be so her 02:49 probably all i should say unless one of the NH variants has a Landlord monster 02:49 lol 02:49 also wew tripled that thing's size 02:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:50 'lo 02:51 CNT-FAI: tangent but said riddle work involved peeking at the WP page for Samson's riddle 02:51 did riddles in general ever fascinate you any 02:52 i think every autistic child probably has that phase 02:52 (also applicable to any other bible readers in the room, former or otherwise) 02:52 CNT-FAI: ...phase? 02:52 well i ended up drifting away bc i didnt like when they used language tricks 02:52 and bc i was interested in language/english those were the ones ppl would give me 02:52 the implication being that I never truly stopped 02:52 no it's good, it just didn't end up being me at the time 02:53 that's fair 02:53 but i mean i did some LSAT practice in jail and i like the logic games 02:53 so i'm okay with riddles as long as they're boring and suck 02:53 the whole "The doctor was his mother!" stuff just pissed me off 02:55 [hdf-us] [slshm] luxor (Und Dop Fem Neu), 12694674 points, T:134634, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/luxor/slashem/dumplog/1616265434.slashem.txt 02:55 -!- Roho has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 02:55 woot 02:56 GG lux 02:56 lol @ cursed SMG, blessed bullets. like a guerrilla gun factory according to the Minimanual 02:57 lul 02:57 I wouldn't know anything about like, that latter stuff 02:57 oh i've got a bookmark for you 02:57 and we probably have differing standards of "boring and suck" 02:57 https://socialhistoryportal.org/sites/default/files/raf/0719730000_0.pdf 02:57 please share, I'd like to look at it later when I have something resembling functioning neurons not impacted by pseudo-narcolepsy 02:58 6_9 I meant the "doctor was his mother" thing but information is information, not complaining 02:59 sort of a modern rebel's Art of War 02:59 I'm just Restricted in communication 02:59 tonight, anyway 02:59 oh jeez idek 02:59 I shall make a sacrifice to Hypnos and see if his gift unlocks that skill tree again 02:59 (that, that is the apropos Greek deity, right) 03:00 -!- drunkmonkey has joined #hardfought 03:00 fuck knows 03:00 anyway gn all 03:00 gn thanks again for the wiz tips 03:00 <@riker> cya umbire 03:01 npnp 03:01 be well riker rif and others 03:01 have a good sleepings 03:01 attempts will be made 03:01 * Umbire zaps a wand of sleep at himself 03:01 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:07 -!- luxor has joined #hardfought 03:08 -!- tjw has joined #hardfought 03:09 Woo.. just ascended Slashem for the 2nd time in my life. 03:10 hhell yeah 03:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 03:11 -!- brendon_ has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- brendon_ has left #hardfought 03:12 -!- brendon_ has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- brendon_ has quit [Client Quit] 03:13 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:16 <@riker> grats luxor 03:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7882 03:34 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 03:35 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 03:40 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 03:41 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 03:42 <@nabru> !who 03:42 @nabru: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] Feya [dnh] | [hdf-au] Arahael [evil] 03:45 Hmph. Hate fighting monsters who have a wand of polymorph. 03:49 [hdf-eu] [slex] tkirkby (Alt Red Fem Cha), 1024 points, T:1423, killed by a monster (Ms. Rouffiac, the shopkeeper) 03:50 https://twitter.com/berserksouls/status/1375521432889741312?s=20 03:53 Looks legit. 03:53 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Acu Hlf Fem Law), 4 points, T:23, killed by shredding of the soul 03:54 <@nabru> ! lastgame tkirkby 03:54 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tkirkby/dnethack/dumplog/1602398002.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tkirkby/notdnethack/dumplog/1616831375.ndnh.txt 04:04 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Acu Sal Fem Law), 579 points, T:627, killed by a gas spore's explosion 04:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 70083 points, T:11551, killed by a priestess of Anu, while charging up a stargate 04:21 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Acu Dro Fem Law), 2345 points, T:1420, poisoned by a rotted gecko corpse 04:26 -!- drunkmonkey has joined #hardfought 04:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 04:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law), 471 points, T:794, killed by a wounded gnome queen 04:30 -!- brendon_ has joined #hardfought 04:30 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:31 -!- brendon_ has quit [Client Quit] 04:31 -!- drunkmonkey has joined #hardfought 04:34 re 04:36 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Acu Bat Fem Law) killed the invisible Andromalius, on T:870 04:46 POG 04:46 way 2 go luxor 04:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:53 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:7673 05:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an uninjured troll), on T:9506 05:21 mornin 05:22 gm 05:23 early mornin for u i guess ;o 05:23 02:23 would be my guess? 05:23 yeah i didnt sleep 05:23 5 05:23 i'm in new jersey on the atlantic coast 05:23 oh wait, ah u *used* to live in Cali 05:24 right 05:24 CNT-FAI: New jersey, eh? What was wrong with the old Jersey? :) 05:24 you'll have to ask the british empire 05:24 Where was Jersey, anyway? 05:24 lmao 05:24 england 05:24 i am a brit but i dont speak for the empire 05:24 Curious - didn't the people who came over to the US want to do so for *opportunity*? 05:24 i also left the ukk bc reasons 05:24 arahael: i mean yeah 05:24 I mean, it's not like the convicts who settled New "South Wales" in Australia... 05:25 but there were various factors 05:25 like a lot of irish people emigrated during famine for xample 05:25 aoei: That's actually a good deal fo my ancestry, right there. Potato famine. Some of my ancestors came to australia for that reason. 05:25 i think some ppl in various countries split off from certain religious sects to form new ones and then like 05:26 felt persecuted or w/e sought land where they could practice freely 05:26 im a really shit historian so im half makin' this up 05:26 but i vaguely remember that being a thing XD 05:26 i think the line of questioning was originally designed (by someone else) to obscure the nature of empire, genocide, etc 05:26 aoei: That has happened a few times, yes. 05:26 CNT-FAI: erm yeh 05:26 that makes sense 05:27 Which line? 05:27 arahael: the stuff we're askin about now lol 05:27 Ha, now I'm the one confused! 05:27 the real question is what was and is being done to the Lenape people, culture, land, medicine, etc 05:27 right ezakly 05:27 Yeah, doesn't it bring it to light, though? Rather than obscure it? 05:27 which was and is all kinds of brutal 05:28 I don't know. Are you planning to look up more info? 05:28 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 05:28 CNT-FAI: Honestly no, as it's 8:30pm on a saturday whilst we're nursing a cold. :( 05:28 Because I don't have the depth of knowledge required to explain it all. Native erasure is a lot of different things 05:28 CNT-FAI: right 05:28 Hey, that's how it goes. Believe me, I make decisions like that all the time 05:29 ngl i dont know all about it that much myself 05:29 and reading about gri things isn't fiun todo either 05:29 What I can tell you is the very basics: 05:29 Ah, so you're talking about the previous occupants of the land. Yeah, that's a messy history. :( 05:29 And present, unfortunately 05:29 * arahael doesn't know much about american history - but he knows it's not any better in Australia) 05:30 Yeah a lot of the same stuff really 05:30 SLightly different style at times 05:30 NJ is the land between Philadelphia and NYC. All of Philadelphia and NJ and like a borough or more (IDK detail) of NYC are also called Lenapehoking, or Lenape land 05:30 Hmm. Maybe somewhat worse in Australia, then. In Tasmania, for instance, the natives were entirely genocided. 05:30 interested to read ur summary but might fall back to sleep in a min 05:31 The reason they cut such a wide swathe was forced migration 05:31 arahael: jeez 05:31 that's awful 05:31 aoei: It's a pretty bad history. 05:31 aoei: Bones were kept in teh british museum for a while, too. 05:31 ara, that has happened here as well, yes. Certainly been attempted. Is why buffalo are rare today (the method attempted at one point was to destroy the food source) 05:32 Anyway 05:32 yeah british empire very bad :( 05:32 and we don't really recognise it much even today or teach it in our schools 05:32 That being said, at the time of the US revolutionary war they had a reputation for being much more humane to their enemies, and this was in fact a motivating factor for the US breaking away 05:32 Patriots were furious that a Cherokee warrior was given a tour of London as customary after a war, for exampl 05:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:12130 05:33 IIRC this is also why they dressed up as Native people for the Tea Party 05:33 oh my 05:33 :| 05:33 aoei: Australian history is popular, at least - at least I like to think so. People are even proud to claim convict lineage. 05:33 aoei: (Which is a radical depature from the past generations) 05:34 Mind, this stuff isn't covered in our schools, nor is the fact that much of the political conflict between the US and UK was that the UK was taking measures to attack slaveholding industries and the slave trade, leading up to abolition 05:34 we don't want to own or admit to the various atrocities we commited as an empire 05:34 instead we'll talk about how bad hitler was during wwii etc. 05:35 This for George Washington meant taxation of his slavery operation the same way governmetns use 'sin tax' today 05:35 even tho during that period churchill and the brits were doing alls orts of awful shit 05:36 I'm sorry to say that the only thing I really know about churchhill is how he's represented in Doctor Who. A bit of a celebrity, even. 05:36 Native nations in differnt places and times believed that either fighting for sovereignty or allying with the British or French would lead to a more humane outcome than trusting the Americans 05:36 and ofc obviously hitler bad, thats not in dispute, im just pointing at the lack of self-reflection in our histories 05:36 easier to look at germany and go "bad", look at the ussr and go "bad" 05:36 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 05:36 and not recognise 05:36 Do yourself a favor and find out how Churchill felt about the peoples of India (not necessarily right now) 05:36 "oh, we bad" 05:36 CNT-FAI: i have already disabused myself of ignorance on that one 05:36 its not good :( 05:36 The quote that would neatly summarize it shoudln't really be posted in here 05:36 yeah' 05:36 Is relevant to genocide themes 05:37 i dont remember deets but i heard about it before and i think i got the gist 05:37 -!- Nelennath has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 05:37 Anyway, methods of Native repression and oppression here vary greatly between the West and East, same in Canada and Mexico 05:37 actually i mighta just remembered the quote 05:37 -!- Nelennath has joined #hardfought 05:37 CNT-FAI: I'm aware that the UK attempted to colonise India, and that it went very badly. 05:37 CNT-FAI: can i pm u what i think i remember 05:37 I'm not kidding, find out the famous Churchill quote about Indians, and don't paste it in here 05:37 yeah 05:38 Anyway, In the East this involves erasure, the attempt to erase Native identity and claims to belong to land and displacing the brutality into the past exclusively 05:38 most of the big names of ww2 had very similiar base personalities 05:39 So holding court much more than I already have could potentially contribute to the very problem, but there are definitely still Lenape people around to explain their history 05:39 CNT-FAI: pm'd u 05:39 churchhill could probably lead a nazy germany or soviet union as well 05:39 microlance: yeah :/ 05:39 With minor flourishes in one direction or the other, yes probably 05:40 Stalin also committed various acts of ethnic cleansing and was denounced by Lenin, who was Native, on his deathbed 05:40 right 05:40 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:41 CNT-FAI: Yeah, they certainly weren't going to elivate the indians above themselves - very much master race, those brits. Anyway, back to my movies. 05:44 You certainly get the main gist. Hitler was surprised the UK turned on him. He also enjoyed English 'war' (colonialism) movies 05:44 He had a whole room mostly devoted to screening them at one point 05:45 Unfortunatley I only know what's popularly portrayed about hitler. 05:51 yeah a lot of that is of course focused on the few differences between nazism and capitalistic ideologies of the west 05:51 barring an overthrow of government it is probably inevitable 05:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 05:52 I do wonder just how bad hitler was, vs the politics and party lines. I suspect it was all of that, and especially the end result. 05:54 Well, Hitler revamped the party and was personally responsible for its lines and culture 05:54 Before he joined it was a permanent minority party struggling to unite the right wing street fighters and the other classes that could form a coalition to elect them 05:55 Their main tactic had been drowning Jewish newspapers with fraudulent lawsuits 05:55 Newspapers. That sounds familiar. 05:55 Yep 05:56 Hitler like many white Germans of the day was a WW1 vet humiliated by Germany's place in the world as well as violently resistent to any attempts to organize socialism in the streets, which somewhat like today, was so popular that entire cities formed socialist republics, like Munich SSR 05:57 the process of smashing these uprisings would unite 'free corps' street fighters into a force of war and slaughter again, but Hitler introduced quite a bit of ideology in the process of charming these people with empty promises 05:58 Ah, interesting. A lot of what I was shown was via teh angle of the outcomes - ie, the 6 million jews thing and the death camps - and that Jew came from a witch mother or some weird cult or something. 05:58 But there isn't usually so much explaination of /how/ he achieved it. It's just magic. 05:58 I don't get that last part but I can't say I honestly want to ask 05:59 Your assumption that the general populace was either imprisoned in the camps or supported them, is basically correct 05:59 Oh, we're aware of that, that's pretty much fact. 05:59 Rural people could not possibly avoid the smell of death by chemical shower and were making excuses for it, identifying with Hitelr and believing he would abolish the camps as soon as he found out what was going on in there 06:00 Interesting. 06:00 Whoever wasn't slaughtered and didn't escape was extremely likely to be part of the problem 06:01 Though this typically meant simply focusing on nonpartisan matters and continuing to be a smiling party guest/entertainer while their neighbors disappeared, and Americans and Brits very often take a similar attitude to matters of genocide and other murderous acts and aggressions today 06:03 [hdf-us] [evil] 8Sime8 (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 54 points, T:267, killed by a boulder 06:04 Hmm, maybe, as for the first point there. But there is definitely lots that could be learned from history today if people didn't ignore it, indeed. 06:05 Anyway, movies. :) 06:05 -!- Nelennath has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:06 -!- Nelennath has joined #hardfought 06:06 Yeah we have probably digressed as much as is healthy here 06:07 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:07 :) 06:13 * arahael wonders which is the most useful soko result in evil for his game. 06:14 * arahael goes for "amulet". 06:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:11186 06:14 Neat. 06:15 nice 06:15 Yep, so I have MR, and have SDSM as well, though I left that somewhere in the dungeon. 06:16 Unfortunately, SDSM is pretty useless, other than that it is reflection. 06:35 [hdf-au] [nh370] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 536 points, T:1896, killed by a nearly deceased giant bat 06:37 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 06:38 -!- yanah has quit [Excess Flood] 06:38 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 06:38 -!- yanah has quit [Excess Flood] 06:39 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 06:39 -!- yanah has quit [Excess Flood] 06:39 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 06:39 -!- yanah has quit [Excess Flood] 06:39 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 06:40 -!- yanah has quit [Excess Flood] 06:42 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 4019 points, T:4737, killed by a giant spider 07:00 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:24428 07:08 !who 07:08 nabru: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] Singhend [un] Feya [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 07:13 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 07:14 . 07:14 amateurhour: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2021-03-27 02:39 EDT: marital arts enchantment means +5 damage with martial arts 07:23 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 07:35 amateurhour: yo 07:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) was given their Quest, on T:27676 07:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:1046 07:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Sir Garland, on T:28593 08:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4 points, T:257, killed by a bolt of cold 08:16 yo 08:16 <@Computer Man> yo 08:16 yay 08:17 <@Computer Man> ~~~~○ 08:19 hi 08:19 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 08:19 <@Computer Man> Hey k2 08:19 wassup 08:19 <@Computer Man> The ceiling 08:23 stood on a map amnesia nastytrap 08:26 -!- Roho has joined #hardfought 08:27 F 08:30 [hdf-us] [spl] post163 (Wiz Mer Fem Neu), 423 points, T:1081, killed by a system shock 08:38 hoping to find a toilet at some point to id amulets with 08:39 say what 08:41 🙃 08:41 You know how you can identify rings by dropping them in sinks? 08:41 Basically that. 08:42 yeah 08:42 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:43 my god is supremely angry at me for learning forbidden knowledge so I don't think I'll be able to pray again 08:43 which means no more holy water really 08:44 which blows so much 08:54 Andrio: yeah i sorta figured but i was still a bit "wut" xD 08:54 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Hum Fem Neu), 15626 points, T:9366, killed by a death ray 09:01 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 09:02 Slex be like that sometimes. 09:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:17381 09:04 huh 09:05 Andrio: lmao, true 09:07 doin my wizard run yet. kind input always welcome 09:09 CNT-FAI: Don't die. 09:10 I'm doing about 25 or so damage punching with grandmaster martial arts 09:10 amateurhour: :o 09:10 doing about 65 damage kicking with high heels on 09:10 strong 09:10 wow 09:10 monks in heels eh 09:10 martial arts and high heels skill both boost kicking damage I think 09:10 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 09:10 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 09:11 my shoes count as both high heels and sexy flats 09:11 You are now more skilled in sexy flats. You learn how to perform kick in the nuts! 09:11 oh, okay 09:11 ara: that's an example of not being kind 09:11 https://www.sas.upenn.edu/~haroldfs/dravling/grice.html 09:12 it's just joke advice, it's not meant to be mean 09:12 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Pero Pero, on T:36778 09:12 good 2 know 09:13 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:14 35 meatballs omg 09:14 heh are you using stone to flesh? your food woes are over :P 09:14 lo;ve stone 2 flesh 09:14 ya 09:14 and i can tame animals again 09:16 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:17 secured the unihorn also 09:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Clk Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:30135 09:23 CNT-FAI: Yep, was indeed a joke. But I like the way Douglas Adams explains flying. "The trick, is to fall to the ground. And miss.". 09:23 it's a valid style, just not the one for me 09:24 Each to their own. :) 09:24 I should get to bed, it's past midnight, and i didn't sleep well last night. 09:24 sleep well arahael 09:24 gn 09:24 amateurhour, CNT-FAI - thanks. :) 09:25 'night 09:26 I also didn't sleep well last night :| 09:26 yeah none over here 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:32068 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4548 09:32 @le?K2 nightmare 09:32 K2 nightmare (u) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 26 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 4d4 kick fire, 4d4 kick fire, 2d4 bite cursed-unicorn-horn | Alignment: -6 | Flags: genocidable, flies, demon, infravisible 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3931 09:39 @le?elder astral elemental 09:39 elder astral elemental (E) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 16 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold disintegrate shock poison acid petrification magic | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: -2 | Attacks: 4d6 touch random breath, 4d6 engulf random breath | Alignment: 0 | Flags: flies, amorphous, phases, breathless, mindless, unsolid, regenerates, stalker, vegan 09:40 <@Computer Man> Guys 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:33631 09:40 <@Computer Man> Does stone to flesh make the meatballs warm? 09:40 <{Demo}> use fireball for that 09:41 <@Computer Man> Eating uncooked meatballs is probably not fun 09:41 <{Demo}> nethack doesn't have raw food unless splicehack 09:42 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1416 points, T:3759, killed by an invisible watch captain, while frozen by a potion 09:43 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:45 <@Computer Man> Yes but stone to flesh just meatifies rocks 09:45 <@Computer Man> Why would it cook then 09:45 <@Computer Man> *them 09:48 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 510 points, T:1193, killed by a rabid rat 09:48 <{Demo}> flavor 09:48 mm. tasty gnomes 09:51 <{Demo}> Yecch! This stuff tastes like gnome mold. 09:55 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:35281 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35287 09:57 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Und Dop Mal Neu), 42684 points, T:6544, killed by a monster (watch captain) 09:58 <@Computer Man> What do you guys name your fruits? 09:58 <@Computer Man> I used to have them as bottles of succubus milk 09:58 hey yall what should iw ish for? i have silver scaled armor thing already 09:58 <@Computer Man> Or loadstones 09:59 oh whoops gotta be cross aligned ig lol 09:59 er, other way round 09:59 I leave it as slime mold now, but for a brief while it was wand of wishing, and partially eaten chickatrice corpse 09:59 <@Computer Man> CNT-FAI: What role are you? 09:59 <@Computer Man> heh 10:00 <@Computer Man> Fun with bones 10:01 clairvoyance awesome 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed ansic's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:6962 10:05 oh my fuck shit i ate a werejackal corpse 10:06 at least i had wolfsbane 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:7352 10:10 <@Computer Man> Language! 10:10 <@Computer Man> This is a family friendly chat 10:10 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) became Camaxtli's Envoy of Balance, on T:22225 10:11 lol 10:12 sleep awesome 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:8165 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Cohen's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8176 10:13 -!- moony has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:13198 10:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful warhorse, on T:13262 10:16 oh no 10:16 You kill the fog cloud! You kill the poor ice troll! 10:16 You hear the studio audience applaud! 10:17 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 10:18 whaaaat 10:18 just didnt getr enough identify i didnt realize i had a ring of free action 10:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 27475 points, T:13335, killed by a moderately wounded hallucinogen-distorted troll 10:18 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:18 rip wally the warhorse 10:18 and rip 10:19 lost a few pets 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:36090 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:36104 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:36115 10:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 456525 points, T:43168, killed by an elven arrow 10:26 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 10:27 @le?flow slime 10:27 flow slime (P) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 15 | Res: sleep poison acid | Confers: sleep poison acid | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 9 | Attacks: 1d4 touch debuff | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, amorphous, breathless, mindless, poisonous, vegetarian 10:30 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6964 points, T:3731, killed by a water troll 10:32 <@Computer Man> Orc wiz 10:32 <@Computer Man> Ther powercombo 10:32 <@Computer Man> *the 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:37265 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2375 10:36 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1909 points, T:744, killed by a coyote 10:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 7004 points, T:3641, killed by an Uruk-hai 10:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 0 points, T:13, killed by a fox, while praying 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 34 points, T:147, killed by an uninjured newt 11:00 whoa Beholder can do that pinobot thing now? 11:00 !PoM 11:00 APic: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 1 day. 11:01 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 11:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 1057 points, T:1025, killed by a gnome lord 11:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 468 points, T:1813, killed by an uninjured hallucinogen-distorted giant bat 11:03 -!- Septieme has quit [Client Quit] 11:04 [hdf-us] [slshm] Draco (Und Dop Fem Neu), 716 points, T:1559, killed by a rabbit 11:04 rip 11:06 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7306 points, T:2946, killed by a winter wolf cub 11:08 yes stone to flesh again 11:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1817 11:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Clk Fem Non) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31072 11:16 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 11:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Minetown, on T:2295 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12440 11:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:7332 11:26 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed the invisible BOFH, on T:42355 11:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Muad (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:1885 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:13736 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5858 points, T:3716, killed by a slightly wounded hill orc 11:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu) destroyed ezion's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1835 11:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2007 11:38 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2438 11:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2898 11:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Clk Fem Non) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide gauntlets of power", on T:31378 11:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2463 points, T:2711, killed by a wounded werejackal, while praying 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1002 points, T:3078, killed by an uninjured watch captain 11:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3423 11:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ninja, on T:3430 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15855 11:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:11730 11:50 @le?beholder 11:50 Beholder (e) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 24 | Spd: 9 | Res: petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 70 | Generates: unique | AC: -4 | Attacks: 1d4 gaze Death, 3d8 gaze physical, 1d3 gaze stun, 1d3 gaze confuse, 1d4 gaze sleep | Alignment: 0 | Flags: flies, regenerates, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 11:51 I found the neutral quest and I think the beholder is in a shop 11:52 no, beholder is in #hardfought 11:52 haw haw 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 114 points, T:359, killed by an uninjured sewer rat 11:52 lmao 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:16035 11:54 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3545 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 daggers on an altar, on T:3553 11:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Muad (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3809 11:58 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed the Beholder, on T:44126 11:58 thankfully it wasn't in a shop 12:01 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 12:01 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 12:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Clk Fem Non) was given Giantslayer, on T:33519 12:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 712 points, T:1967, killed by a wounded red mold 12:04 -!- Leficios has joined #hardfought 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:63041 12:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6541 12:06 10 attempts to identify a cursed gray stone, nothing 12:06 !who 12:06 aoei: [hdf-us] ArkhamDenizen [nh343] klintos [nh370] ezion [nh370] Grouchy [nh370] oh6 [nh370] Trenin [un] KrO2 [dnh] qt [xnh] AlleyOop [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Muad [nh370] Singhend [un] Feya [dnh] Vis [dnh] amateurhour [slex] | [hdf-au] naoky [nh370] 12:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8917 12:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 630 points, T:1918, killed by an uninjured newt, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:16 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 12:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] ArkhamDenizen (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had a double-headed axe bestowed upon him by Set, on T:21204 12:20 !whereis aoei 12:20 amateurhour: aoei is not playing. 12:20 !whereis Stella 12:20 amateurhour: [hdf-eu] Stella [slex]: (Hea Add Mal Cha) T:627 The Dungeons of Doom level: 4 12:21 [hdf-au] [nh370] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 347 points, T:1413, killed by a wounded giant bat 12:21 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 334 points, T:1029, [0:03:09], killed by a heavily wounded gnome lady 12:21 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 12:23 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 87 points, T:489, [0:01:36], poisoned by a little dart 12:23 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 612 points, T:1219, killed by a dart 12:26 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 12:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:11311 12:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1195, rt[0:06:15] 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh343] ArkhamDenizen (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 132507 points, T:21805, killed by a rock troll 12:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Gno Fem Neu) reached Minetown, on T:3573 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:17492 12:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3601 12:34 [hdf-us] [seed] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 12:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3680 12:36 [hdf-us] [seed] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 12:37 [hdf-us] [seed] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 12:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:40 -!- Leficios has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:40 -!- Leficios has joined #hardfought 12:42 @le?medusa 12:42 Medusa (@) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison petrification | Confers: poison | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: 2 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon physical, 1d8 claw physical, 0d0 gaze petrification, 1d6 bite drain str | Alignment: -15 | Flags: omnivore, flies, swims, amphibious, poisonous, nopoly, infravisible 12:45 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3212, rt[0:21:39] 12:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6430 12:45 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:45561 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] joes (Mon Hum Mal Law), 407 points, T:1457, killed by an uninjured homunculus, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4407, rt[0:27:33] 12:57 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Und Dop Mal Neu), 2341 points, T:1143, fell into a giant chasm 12:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:21156 13:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:01 amateurhour: thank you for revealing that there is a problem with kicking damage, I'll correct that in a future version. 13:05 ommmmmmmmg Stella is playing slex 😍 is that real or am I dreaming? because if the latter, I probably missed half a dozen trains already and should wake up ASAP 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:19991 13:05 guys can you please wake up, I still have a tour to the state capital today and if I miss that train my employer will be very displeased 13:06 *wake me up 13:06 * nabru shouts at LarienTelrunya's ears 13:07 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Anaraxis the Black, on T:23073 13:08 [hdf-eu] [slex] Stella (Hea Add Mal Cha), 71420 points, T:6134, dissolved in molten lava 13:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed wand of death", on T:6890, rt[0:45:25] 13:09 waaaaaaaaat 13:09 Stella why'd you die :( your game was going so well too! 13:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 10146 points, T:6936, rt[0:46:00], wc[0:46:17], killed by a death ray 13:11 was that sarcasm Amy? 13:11 about nerfing kick damage 13:12 to get that amount of damage I have the following: grandmaster martial arts, expert high heels, kicking boots that are high heels enchanted to +5 13:12 that's a lot of setup for it, I don't think it's unbalanced 13:12 worse than twoweapon martial arts and no stunning 13:13 amateurhour: didn't you say you deal about 25 damage with marts and 55 with kicking? 13:13 yeah, but kicking misses, doesn't work on shades or monsters that need +x to hit, and when it misses monsters surround me 13:14 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 72487 points, T:23251, killed by a bolt of fire 13:14 still, seems like an awful lot of damage per hit 13:15 martial arts still superior for most of the monsters it seems 13:15 otoh, if even a +5 pair of boots can't hit a "requires +X weapon to hit" monster, that seems like a bug 13:15 @le?desert persian 13:15 desert persian (f) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 16 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: -3 | Attacks: 6d4 bite physical, 4d2 weapon gold steal, 4d4 trample stun | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 13:16 might find the minotaur maze soon 13:16 noticed the spider caves aren't on the branches page btw 13:17 yeah I didn't add the slashem ones 13:17 oh right, gotcha 13:17 but the wyrm caves has the entrance to the ice queen realm! will you be the first player to defeat Vera? :D 13:17 oh yeah so it does 13:17 I'll certainly give it a go 13:17 [hdf-eu] [slshm] joes (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 1593 points, T:2181, choked on an iguana corpse 13:18 hopefully the walls exist this time so it's not just a Big Room with extra danger 13:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6304 13:18 will brb a sec to get a cuppa 13:19 ah got to go for a wee whiley irl, back in maybe 30 mins 13:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Clk Fem Non) killed Croesus, on T:36871 13:23 ugh, well I'll have to leave 50 minutes from now 13:23 decided to split today's shift so I'm intermittently at home 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a wounded vampire lady), on T:8252 13:28 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 499 points, T:1378, killed by a hobbit, while unconscious from rotten food 13:30 -!- luxor has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 13:38 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 13:38 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 13:42 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:24741 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 12 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:42412 13:47 back now for a brief bit, maybe can get to the ice queen before you have to go, idk 13:48 oh my god do you have the chatbox nastytrap effect? 13:48 yes 13:48 have had it for ages 13:48 makes everything rather dangerous 13:48 do you also still have an unidentified gray stone? if yes, it could come from that 13:48 nope 13:48 it started whilst I was in medusa's lair 13:49 ugh 13:49 at these depths it could last for quite a while 13:49 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Stella (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 1263 points, T:1404, killed by a moderately wounded hallucinogen-distorted watch captain 13:51 it's gone now btw, woot 13:51 lasted 5eva 13:53 ah it was the watch captain that got us 13:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:53 damn watch captain :C 13:53 hec 13:53 tommo: Message from Umbire at 2021-03-26 00:40 EDT: Don't worry, you got it next run! 13:53 oh haha thx umbire 13:54 amateurhour: that'll teach you not to step on the wrong tile again :P 13:54 i wonder whether anyone has streamed slex on twitch before lmao 13:54 amateurhour mentioned having thought about it but being afraid to XD 13:55 omg aoei are you telling me you streamed it??? daaaaaamn 13:55 and I missed the stream :( 13:55 Amy: rip 13:55 there should be vod tho 13:55 what was the chat like? was it full of "omg this amy must be a really crazy girl, where do you get those drugs i want some of them too"? 13:55 yes in fact word-for-word 13:55 woah it took ages to load this floor 13:55 how did yo know 0_o 13:56 heh I just took a guess 13:56 is the chat available somewhere? 13:56 chat should be available if you watch the vod on twitch 13:56 like it normally records chat 13:56 jeez im exhausted lol 13:56 and where do I find this "vod"? :D 13:56 ill pm you a link 13:56 (yeah I know, level 51, because that's the first level of Gehennom) 13:57 aoei now i submitted my healer run on speedrun, so now you gotta authorize it. so i can bask in all the fame and glory which comes with being top 3 on a list of nethack achievments 13:57 microlance: pog 13:57 i shall do so shortly 13:59 Amy kicking boots in this one count as both heels and sexy flats 13:59 that's why I decided to wear them 14:00 amateurhour: huh what appearance are they? 14:00 wedge sneakers 14:00 ommmmmg I'm wearing such right now actually :D 14:00 they're epic 14:01 however mine aren't that good for kicking ;) (except if I hit with the massive wedge heel ♥) 14:01 Amy we were playing addict healer btw 14:01 can you install bayonet to heels 14:01 rofl 14:01 good idea Adeon 14:02 perma hallu is also hard lol 14:02 shoulda been a lot more careful in minetown 14:02 was not really planning to go there at all but got trapdoored into the temple 14:02 at some opint 14:02 lol 14:02 aoei: haha addict :D did you have fun being permaconfused? 14:02 of course, i always have funb eing permaconfused 14:02 also the stats are epic 14:02 oh yeah they are 14:02 <@deathsushi> Basically RNGHack 14:03 uhhhh i should authorise microlance's thingy before i go nap 14:03 othrewise im 100% going to forget 14:03 not phasable wall surrounding castle 14:03 aoei: in any case I want to heart and kiss you <3 for making such a beautiful slex video :) 14:04 awee thats very sweet 14:04 im glad you are peased 14:04 pleased 14:04 tfw walls not phasable 14:04 :( 14:04 amateurhour: haha 14:04 amateurhour: :( 14:04 what is the point of being a spoopy ghost if u can't surprise the ice queen 14:04 blame the creator of the ice queen's castle! 14:05 just fyi microlance i edited your run slightly 14:05 because i like having the ttyrec links in there 14:05 next time if you could add the ttyrec link yourself too that would be swell 14:05 gtg in 10 minutes, but don't play carelessly just because I have to leave; no sense losing your char just so I have a chance of seeing the battle 14:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:9939 14:05 can always look at the ttyrec when I come back :D 14:06 also rip tommo knocked to #4, im sure u will do something about that soon enough tho :> 14:06 lol fair enough, seeya in a bit 14:07 just make sure not to underestimate Vera or her rival ;) 14:07 !rng nap | walk 14:07 aoei: walk 14:07 alright, can sleep at night time i guess haha 14:07 cya later and thanks those who joined me on the twitch thingy <3 14:07 <3 14:07 it was the funs 14:08 seeya aoei, I wish I would have been there :/ 14:08 sorry amy i either didnt see you online or simply forgot to tell you i was doing that 14:08 actually i wasnt sure if i would be doing slex at all anyway but then elenmirie made me do it 14:08 when I came on, I saw that you were playing and a few minutes later your run had already ended 14:09 ah 14:09 really??? omg elenmirie I love you <3 <3 <3 14:09 rofl 14:09 anyway bbl 14:09 *herzchenschmüschel* :) 14:10 can you kill amateurhour? 14:10 oh you mean the dog? well the ones named after you can only spawn randomly; the ones in this branch have different names 14:11 oh I thought one of these two was amateurhour hah 14:11 my bad 14:11 can these ones be defeated for good? 14:11 yeah 14:11 this isn't evilhack, here you can kill em all 14:12 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Boa-Moa, on T:47360 14:12 <{Demo}> killemall 14:12 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Osbourne, on T:47381 14:13 anyway of course I have to leave *just* now, but what can I do. maybe I can get some wlan (which is somehow called "wifi" in english) on the train and look at the chat from there 14:14 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Vera the Ice Queen, on T:47430 14:14 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 14:14 sexy flats didn't get trained a bit 14:15 still just expert 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 182171 points, T:27032, killed by wounded Croesus 14:16 !lastgame oh7 14:16 nabru: No last game for oh7. 14:16 !lastgame oh6 14:16 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1616849883.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1578226948.nh.html 14:16 when you read this in backscroll later Amy I thought the reward meant that it would level up my skills :/ 14:16 rip 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 7837 points, T:5793, quit 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45277 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45280 14:18 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Elaine the Enchantress, on T:47466 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:41200 14:23 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:41649 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46247 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46249 14:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 14:30 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 984 points, T:1394, rt[0:06:41], wc[0:06:42], killed by a land mine 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:46451 14:30 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 14:31 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 2651 points, T:3633, killed by a plains centaur 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:46601 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:46602 14:35 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2127 14:44 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:47 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 14:47 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 14:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:48528 14:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:14495 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Maud (Cav Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3217 14:51 <@iatrocrat> is lance worth a damn as knight 14:51 in theory it's epic 14:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:9332 14:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given the Cloak of the Unheld One, on T:46075 14:54 <@iatrocrat> amateurhour: in practice? 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:9549 14:54 <@iatrocrat> i think the problem is some vanilla artifacts are way too powerful 14:55 <@iatrocrat> and make the other ones useless 14:55 it's heavy af, need to be riding to do the cool stuff, and it's an extra skill to need to train 14:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1926 points, T:9685, killed by a wounded giant ant, while fainted from lack of food 14:55 <@iatrocrat> and others are way too specialized 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2243 points, T:3047, killed by an uninjured cave spider 14:57 -!- Leficios has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 14:58 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Vecna, on T:48646 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Maud (Cav Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a red-eyed shield on an altar, on T:3550 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:15552 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:48746 15:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Gno Fem Neu) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:10711 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:48774 15:02 <@deathsushi> Push artifacts are way out of whack 15:02 <@deathsushi> Some variants do a great job rebalancing them 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1975666 points, T:48788, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/nethack/dumplog/1616730583.nh.html 15:03 gratz shadowrider 15:05 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 1203 points, T:2032, quit 15:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Fem Cha) had a large shield entrusted to her by Mars, on T:3991 15:07 <@Shadow_Rider> Thanks 15:13 -!- joes has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:17210 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class V, on T:70473 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 463 points, T:881, killed by an uninjured sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 15:15 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 787 points, T:1641, killed by a rothe 15:19 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:70966 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed the invisible karibou's ghost, the former Burglar, on T:70979 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2329 15:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Fem Cha) made her first wish - "20 blessed fixed silver boomerangs of shock", on T:6462 15:23 <@iatrocrat> vorpal is so cool 15:23 <@iatrocrat> even though its weak compared to other artis 15:39 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Andrealphus, on T:49605 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3288 points, T:3514, killed by a wounded giant beetle 15:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:15813 15:50 something took my box with all my stuff and teleported it somewhere :( 15:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:51 microlance how many boomerangs did you get? 15:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:10790 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:19949 15:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) had a wooden large shield entrusted to him by Mars, on T:10962 15:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:16554 15:55 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:20030 15:59 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:59 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 16:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:16921 16:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) destroyed Arahael the human mummy, and former Initiate, on T:11014 16:06 <@Joanna> @amateurhour oof. Ouch that sucks 16:06 <@Joanna> Ur still not dead at least? :b 16:06 I managed to get it back after ages 16:06 <@Joanna> U can win this! 16:06 <@Joanna> Ah nice 16:06 the room was like a Big Room but full of all sorts of horrors 16:06 <@Joanna> How many ages 16:07 <@Joanna> Are we talking more like generations or aeons 16:07 my stuff got teleported away, yet there was 5 different monsters that could slime me 16:07 the stuff for curing sliming was in my box 16:07 <@Joanna> Oh shit 16:07 there was a monster on the other side of the giant room that could gaze and make me have things like stun, confusion etc 16:07 <@Joanna> Or eras 16:07 couldn't go over to it to kill it without killing everything else in the way 16:08 something then threw a cursed gray stone at me which made me rip scrolls 16:08 <@Joanna> Oof 16:08 <@Joanna> Pain lol 16:08 <@Joanna> You are brave to play slex seriously lol 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh343] CatPurrson (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1727 points, T:2419, killed by a bugbear 16:09 !dumplog 16:09 how do I get dumplog 16:09 any dumplog 16:10 ah there's link in backlog nvm 16:10 !lastgame 16:10 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/CatPurrson/nh343/dumplog/1616874746.nh343.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/naoky/nethack/dumplog/1616861635.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/xnethack/dumplog/1616865836.xnh.html 16:10 Adeon: or specifically !lastgame 16:10 !lastgame Adeon 16:10 amateurhour: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Adeon/setseed/dumplog/1616719449.seed.html 16:10 I'm making a checklist what information is available in dumplog 16:11 so I wrote my thoughts down how to make the record-everything format 16:11 so I would like to make it strictly superior to existing dumplogs 16:11 for a particular variant/version? 16:11 going for vanilla nethack first 16:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12526 16:11 and ignoring everything else 16:11 it will involve patching nethack 16:11 there's some info not in dumplogs that's encoded in xlogfile I think 16:11 might be wrong 16:11 <@Joanna> Ok totally a topic change but @amateurhour are you aware of "live at grilby's" 16:12 @Joanna hoei 16:12 you might be interested in the html dumplog patch Adeon, I don't think it's in vanilla but it's on hardfought 16:12 <@Joanna> Also Adeon can u confirm u killed bad evil skele man 16:12 Adeon: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/300 16:12 <@Joanna> Hi Umby 16:13 who is skele man 16:13 might be helpful for a starting point 16:13 <@Joanna> Sans 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:20894 16:14 <@Joanna> Epic Undertale boss fight 16:14 oh yes 16:14 I can kill skele man 16:14 <@Joanna> Pog 16:14 <@Joanna> I haven't yet 16:15 <@Joanna> But he can't dodge forever >;{ 16:15 <@Joanna> One day he will get tired and I will win 16:23 <@Joanna> !rng kill skele | speedrun nethack 16:23 @Joanna: speedrun nethack 16:23 skele is influencing beholder 16:23 <@Joanna> :| has he such powers aosdict?? That is truly evil 16:23 <@Joanna> I must end the evil skele 16:25 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Annika, on T:50833 16:25 <@Joanna> amateurhour: pog 16:25 <@Joanna> Don't die btw 16:26 <@Joanna> U got dis 16:26 OH that's probs where I've been going wrong the whole time 16:26 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 1080 points, T:1553, killed by a large cat called Felix 16:27 <@Joanna> XD 16:27 honestly I've got an ascension kit already 16:27 I'm gonna do one more optional branch then try speedrun the rest 16:27 <@Joanna> 🤞 16:28 not that it can be done very quick after that really... 16:29 there's 50 floors of gehennom to try find sheol in, then 75 floors of sheol to try find vlad in 16:29 <@Joanna> Believe in urself u can do anything 16:29 <@Joanna> Even speedrun slex 16:29 <@Joanna> F tho 16:29 <@Joanna> Thats a lotta floors 16:30 then assuming wizard etc are all normal, after the sanctum there's 100 floors to try find 3 stairs or whatever in 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death (poisoned by an orcish arrow), on T:21981 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2310 16:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 16:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 16:34 is there such a thing as a slex ascension kit 16:35 not really, just gear good enough to ascend with I guess 16:35 amateurhour: the reward trains all of your skills by one point, not one skill level. lol you really thought I'd design it in such a turbo overpowered way :P really :P anyway, going from expert to master is 740 points 16:35 1 point 16:35 lol 16:35 that's so funny as a reward 16:35 it said so on the wiki! why is it so that if I write something that's not 100% unambiguous, you always err on the side of something being OP for the player? 16:35 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 16:36 <@riker> i mean that also could suck if the player gets it while having a "this skill becomes untrainable if you try to train it before ___" 16:36 I know that one! 16:36 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 16:36 let me check the wording to see why I thought it would improve your skills 16:36 People just can't believe rewards that suck so much! :b 16:36 "trains all of the player's skills by one point." 16:36 I was thinking like go from basic to skilled 16:37 mobileuser: yes, but a player who has been playing slex practically nonstop for the last three weeks could have gained some knowledge about the slex design philosophy ;) (sorry amateurhour) 16:37 lmao you really saved me some major time punching things one time 16:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Cohen's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:22712 16:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2160 points, T:2686, killed by an uninjured invisible dwarf 16:37 taking one step in sexy flats 16:37 lol 16:37 amateurhour: also, that would foster sucky strategies like "train all your skills up to one skill level before max for maximum benefit", and I certainly don't want that :P the game is supposed to not suck 16:38 having done the ice queen branch with crazy good ac I think it's probs not worth it generally 16:38 did you also use the potions? 16:38 the tech up potions are kind of neat, but I think the mino maze and space base are more worthwhile 16:39 -!- Umbire has quit [Killed (rajaniemi.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 16:39 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 16:39 Hi Amy 16:39 yo Umbire 16:40 just had a horrendous time on a floor Amy 16:40 guessing you'll read backscroll 16:40 in the process of doing that 16:40 * Umbire offers amateurhour a hug coupon 16:41 I shall save this up for after the 'rona has gone 16:41 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 16:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Axus, on T:40810 16:41 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest40818 16:41 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3034 16:41 hmm from what I read you just had a bigroom-like level with an item stealer and something with a gaze attack 16:41 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha) killed the ghost of Singhend, the former Acolyte, on T:1897 16:42 16:27 I'm gonna do one more optional branch then try speedrun the rest <--- lol good luck with that 16:42 well I guess phasing does make things quite a bit faster 16:42 not literally speedrun, just blaze past all the random stuff using phasing 16:42 yeah 16:43 you've still not even been to gehennom yet though 16:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3334 16:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:19316 16:44 true :P 16:44 going to do the mino maze 16:44 this is the strongest game I've had so far though 16:45 -!- Guest40818 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 16:45 I still remember the days when Tariru actually streaked SLEX 16:45 hmm I wonder what sort of AC people ascended with 16:46 well Amy ascended with AC -20 in like 2018 16:46 Tariru ascended with -37 as lowest, then wtf -97 as highest 16:46 how the heck did they get that 16:46 s/highest/best/g 16:46 etc 16:47 wow lol 16:47 im gonna try to beat the skele 16:47 will stream but no mic or chat wanna focus on da fight 16:47 I'm gonna fiddle with my etherpad 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2523 points, T:4228, quit 16:49 was the -37 Tariru char dimmed by any chance? because that seems like strangely little AC for a player as methodical as Tariru 16:50 ah yes they were 16:50 but how did they get -97ac??? 16:52 lots of bonuses presumably 16:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 252672 points, T:41347, quit 16:52 he had about -110 with that char at some point 16:53 what sort of bonuses? 16:54 <@nabru> !lastgame Feya 16:54 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Feya/dnethack/dumplog/1605975539.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Feya/dnethack/dumplog/1616856280.dnh.txt 16:54 I don't ****ing know man, look at the dumplog, it should list the inventory :P or give me a link so I can look myself without having to waste more time 16:54 (sorry, have to go to bed soon and get up WAY too early tomorrow because of the GODDAMN time shift!) 16:55 F 16:55 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tariru/slex/dumplog/1525123580.slex.txt 16:56 spring forward! 16:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 fireproof boots of speed", on T:23495 16:57 is it that time already elenmirie? 16:57 wasn't it just christmas though?? 16:57 yes, tonight 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 rustproof helm of brilliance", on T:23497 16:57 yes, last week 16:57 the bastards are stealing a whole hour from us! for nothing at all! 16:57 lockdown turns time into soup 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:23499 16:57 well is the soup at least tasty? 16:57 <@iatrocrat> still dont have reflection 16:58 the soup is bland 16:58 oh, typical 16:58 <@iatrocrat> but at least i got disintegration res 16:58 well Tariru was wearing some high-AC-but-nastytrap-downsides armor pieces, so those already gave him a bunch of AC 16:58 LarienTelrunya: it is a pointless exercise 16:58 plus of course all his armor was highly enchanted 16:58 have you gone wish-hunting yet? 16:58 <@iatrocrat> me? 16:58 mhm 16:58 <@iatrocrat> i have the wand 16:58 it looks like their other ascensions had around 51 16:58 <@iatrocrat> but no charges 16:58 plus you have to find the manual to all the things that have clocks on them to remind you how to change them 16:58 <@iatrocrat> and no charging 16:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided mind flayers, on T:23512 16:58 I mean like fountains, thrones and shiz 16:59 <@iatrocrat> completely forgot about thrones actually 16:59 elenmirie: yeah, but the politicians just would not abolish that garbage 16:59 I'm sure I don't know why! 16:59 just make all countries use UTC at all times 16:59 they keep wittering on about farmers, but the farmers around here don't care 16:59 another problem solved thanks to amateurhour 17:00 amateurhour for prime minister! 17:00 you could hardly do worse... 17:00 the EU even voted for abolishing the time shift... like what, three years ago? and what happened? nothing at all?! 17:00 plot twist amateurhour is boris johnson 17:00 <@iatrocrat> i want to keep genocideless though 17:00 <@iatrocrat> so 17:01 aosdict: please don't abuse amateurhour 17:01 I think you can just answer "nothing" on the prompt and keep the conduct 17:01 but I'd triple check to be sure 17:01 anyway thank you dear politicians for making me get up at what is actually 4 AM tomorrow. without the garbage time shift it would be 5 AM and then I'd at least get six hours of sleep :P 17:01 <@iatrocrat> oh yeah you're right 17:01 <@iatrocrat> ! 17:01 Umbire: that's right, unless it's been changed 17:02 which I doubt, why would they change that? 17:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 1270 points, T:2321, killed by a wounded giant spider 17:04 that sucks LarienTelrunya :( 17:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Maud (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:4646 17:05 <@iatrocrat> ive done sink quaffing with poly ctrl as well 17:06 <@iatrocrat> not a bad idea for any extra rings 17:07 yeah :/ 17:07 YANI: All the healing potions heal a slightly variable fraction of maxHP instead of a fixed diceroll amount, so that healing/extra healing remain relevant beyond early game. Perhaps with some maximum; e.g. full healing will heal 100% of your hp to a max of 400. Also possibly a minimum so that healing isn't useless for an XL1 character. 17:07 reeeeeeeeally want to get at least a little bit of sleep again 17:08 your pillow awaits you, madame! 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:23667 17:08 yeah in a minute or two 17:09 aosdict: How common do you think hallucinating from rotted food (not "blech!" rotten) is as a trope 17:10 I dunno in general for pop culture; in NetHack food can't make you hallucinate because it's rotted 17:10 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Stefanje, on T:51575 17:10 amateurhour: so I'm doing the Tariru AC calculations just before I go to bed. his armor: SDSM is 14 AC, T-shirt is 5 AC, speed boots is 4 AC + 1 by high heels skill, shield of reflection is 11 AC (bug: back then he could wear it even while wielding a heavy MG), evil gloves is 13 AC, cloak of discount action is 4 AC and boogeyman helmet is 8 AC 17:10 that alone is -50 already 17:10 let's see where the rest of it comes from 17:11 yeah it's the rest I couldn't figure out 17:11 their other ascs have about -51 or so 17:11 6 points come from his DEX of 19, so that's -56 17:11 couldn't see any description of role or race benefits to AC 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:23747 17:11 6 more from master shield skill, making it -62 (bonus might have been higher back then) 17:12 5 more from expert body armor skill, so -67 17:13 "You were protected" may well have been 12 or so additional points 17:13 so the question is where the remaining 18 points come from 17:14 oh, some may come from the implant, since back then those probably had much less of an AC malus while in a non-handicapped form 17:15 man this Cuddle E. Hugs episode of Spongebob sure was a ride 17:15 oh, 5 more from the radioglasses (actually, make that 7 points because of the corrosion) 17:15 was protection easier to buy in the past? 17:15 radioglasses have ac? 17:15 amateurhour: yeah of course 17:15 radioglasses are awesome, they give 5 base AC due to their material and IIRC two more per point of erosion 17:15 LarienTelrunya: why not just look at the ttyrec? 17:15 FIQ: whaaaaaaaat 17:16 like I had time for that. as I said before, I need to sleep. and in fact I'll actually do that now :P good night! 17:16 sleep well Amy 17:16 I'll try not to die in the mino maze 17:16 <@nabru> 'night 17:16 night 17:16 thanks! good luck with the minotaurs! tell me how disappointing the reward was :D 17:16 g'night! 17:16 nighty night ♥ 17:16 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:24 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 3057 points, T:4050, killed by a winter wolf cub 17:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pevsand (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 15 points, T:167, burned by molten lava 17:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:46903 17:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:46 Okay, anyone else knew the Three Stooges were Jewish actors because I sure didn't 17:46 granted I never looked much into them beyond loving a bunch of the shorts I used to watch on Spike late at night 17:46 but that's cool, should actually look more into 'em 17:50 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Und Xra Mal Law), 23992 points, T:3723, quit 17:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1157 17:57 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 17:58 -!- cranberry_failsa has quit [Quit: ZNC - https://znc.in encountered an error - Please send emergency cranberries] 18:02 Oh hey, restful sleep got buffed 18:02 Sick 18:04 it's still not really useful 18:06 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:06 -!- cranberry has joined #hardfought 18:08 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had a a club bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4998 18:09 I know but it's *something* 18:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Grue, on T:48801 18:11 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:14 what was buffed about it? 18:18 it gives effectively stackable hungerless regen when asleep 18:18 the problem is you have to wear (or eat) restful sleep, and not have sleep res 18:19 stackable in what way? 18:19 aosdict: maybe if it gave you an innate ability to fall asleep to recover HP 18:20 EvilHack updated (all servers) 18:20 ^ some bug fixes 18:20 Yeah I'd prefer that 18:20 Also it stacks on top of your usual passive regen 18:22 ah 18:23 Umbire: and it stacks on top of actual regen 18:23 Yahuh 18:23 regen + restful sleep = 2hp/turn unless polyd 18:24 Controlled sleep is basically meditation, would be a neat feature in general to give like, a monk or something 18:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 390 points, T:1803, killed by a bolt of cold 18:25 [hdf-eu] [slex] mobileuser (Drd Ang Fem Law), 394 points, T:669, killed by a bolt of fire 18:26 aosdict, this kind of thing encourages Elbereth writing? 18:28 I mean sorta 18:28 can even engrave with a hard gem one letter at a time, stand on it, don amulet 18:28 99s 18:28 Though it can still erode can't it 18:28 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed The Minotaur of the Maze, on T:56529 18:28 maybe the strategy section should be updated to include that? I didn't think of it 18:29 y - a rubber hose named Sunrubberhose {8} 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 789 points, T:1576, killed by an uninjured gnome 18:29 Artifact specs: emits light when wielded. K2 suggested this artifact. 18:30 Umbire: in 3.6.1+ if you burn the E then wear restful sleep, it should be pretty foolproof (except to ranged attacks / E-ignorers) 18:30 I meant in terms of it successfully scaring off monster 18:30 monsters* 18:31 Amy when you read backscroll the minotaur maze is not worth doing for anything other than a junethack trophy :P 18:32 even with phasing and astral vision it was pretty horrible 18:32 amateurhour really? lol 18:32 sunrubberhose 18:32 yeah 18:33 thats actually in slex 18:33 that was my artifact reward 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Maud (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:8069 18:33 what the actual fuck 18:33 lol 18:33 thanks for suggesting such crappy artifacts to pollute the pool K2 :P 18:33 so welcome 18:33 food/movie time, back later 18:39 hf k2 18:40 How good of an idea would having first sac gifts for every role be? 18:40 I think most variants include more but I forget which if any have one for each role 18:41 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 18:41 aoei: https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/Umbrapad 18:41 ^borrowed an idea of yours 18:41 hm? 18:41 * aoei looks 18:42 I think slashem is the only one that adds more 18:42 Umbire: tl;dr 18:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 494 points, T:1918, killed by an uninjured gnome lady 18:42 oh you credited me 18:42 that helps 18:42 slashem even has 'second gift' artifacts 18:42 aoei: did you really think I wouldn't :c 18:42 oh hahaa 18:42 I'm hurt :'c 18:42 * Umbire cri 18:42 Umbire: hahha 18:42 i do vaguely remember making this shop idea 18:43 amateurhour: That's what I was thinking of probably 18:43 it is nice that somebody cares 18:43 about my random idea 18:43 yey 18:43 I know evilhack and a couple of others have added/switched around role sac gifts a bit 18:43 i wonder how many YANIs i actually have on the YANIs website of aos-dict 18:43 but I'm not 100% 18:43 I suppose actually dnh has a lot of them 18:43 https://nethack-yanis.github.io/author/aoei 18:43 personally I think first sac gifts are a good way to distinguish roles 18:43 yeyeye 18:44 give them something flavourful with different levels of usefulness 18:44 and there are none listed as ykstort because this only goes back to circa 2017 18:44 Umbire: ye i found that already lol 18:44 alas aoei that won't be an accurate count of your suggestions 18:44 amateurhour: o no :( 18:44 aosdict has retired from ever updating it ever again :^) 18:44 aoei: you pinged me with "aos-dict" 18:44 D: 18:44 jsyk :P 18:44 aosdict: oh huh 18:45 idk why i was trying to avoid ping anyway 18:45 sneaky sneaky aoei 18:45 its saturday and middle of hte dya for you 18:45 but 18:45 if i do want to avoid pinging him, wat do? 🤔 18:45 nothing 18:45 i bet he pings on xnh as well 18:45 I see all, I am everywhere 18:45 or xnethack 18:45 ok fair 18:45 lol 18:45 hide your real messages in between shitposts so they skimread it 18:45 i only had two YANIs that are just me 18:45 your best bet is to have a long heavy non-nethack discussion so I skim through it 18:46 aosdict: haha 18:46 then inject a non sequitur sentence about the thing you actually wanted to talk about it 18:46 sometimes I feel like we're synchonised aosdict 18:46 * Umbire throws a potion of blindness at aosdict 18:47 the trivialisation of candles one i wasnt sure what i had to do with but then i recognised the beeswax idea 18:47 honestly probably the best thing would be the prefilled candelabrum 18:47 that's my preferred thing too 18:48 as stated on that page it is the same as we have no 18:48 now* 18:48 but less on the nose 18:48 lol 18:48 can still refill it with candles later 18:48 right 18:48 im probs off to bed super exhausted 18:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:12778 18:48 nini 18:49 sleep well 18:49 Night 18:49 dream pleasant dreams aoei 18:51 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wraith, on T:4655 18:51 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law) became permanently transformed into a wraith, on T:4655 18:52 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4818 points, T:4672, killed while stuck in creature form 18:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12154 18:52 Umbire, first sac gifts for every role might increase distinction between roles, but decrease distinction between alignments 18:52 and between games 18:53 How would you propose balancing that? 18:53 dnh changes the gifts based on alignment for some roles iirc 18:53 Like that, I could do that 18:53 same with crowning gifts 18:53 See this is what I was hoping to get into, almonds are activating now 18:53 for example, one tourist game gets Magicbane as first gift, another gets Mjollnir 18:53 and yet another gets Giantslayer 18:54 -!- tommo_ has joined #hardfought 18:54 That kinda variety, I see 18:54 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 18:54 Perhaps I could focus more on just increasing artifact variety in general, maybe take some pages from aos 18:55 The Tourist could still get one or more of those artifacts in that example, but artifact generation does factor heavily 18:55 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/DNetHack_artifacts you might find this list interesting Umbire 18:55 check out the non-wishable section 18:55 nah I don't wanna directly crib but so much from dnh 18:55 though they have quite a few good ideas 18:56 well you wouldn't be able to just take them anyway, they'd be busted in vanilla lol 18:56 I wanna see how much I can raw brain 18:56 and a lot have effects it'd be a royal pain to port 18:56 Oh, this is for a variant idea I'm considering 18:58 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:58 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1015, rt[0:04:10] 19:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) had a double-headed axe entrusted to him by Mars, on T:13911 19:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) had a visored helmet entrusted to him by Mars, on T:13934 19:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:13597 19:05 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2510, rt[0:10:44] 19:05 Have there been ANI suggestions about using flint stones to start fires? 19:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2725, rt[0:11:50] 19:07 nice 19:07 don't think so 19:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Mars, on T:16164 19:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 308 points, T:2733, killed by a wounded dwarf lord 19:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:16269 19:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:16425 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Law), 16528 points, T:7156, quit 19:13 Umbire: I don't really think writing E one letter at a time is a great idea. if you can burn it or athame it, do that 19:14 or wand of digging it, etc 19:16 I just wrote it as jilles described it 19:16 ¯\_( °_o)_/¯ 19:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 219 points, T:860, killed by an uninjured incubus 19:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4755 points, T:5196, [0:25:01], killed by a bolt of fire 19:21 rip 19:21 : 19:21 :C* 19:25 <@iatrocrat> crap 19:26 <@iatrocrat> just blew up my boh 19:26 :| 19:26 rip 19:26 <@iatrocrat> now what 19:26 you must not have been playing a variant that reports it 19:26 make a stash and carry on 19:27 you only lost potions really 19:27 you can do it 19:27 ! 19:27 <@iatrocrat> im playing vanilla 19:27 <@iatrocrat> and lost my wand of wishing, death, various rings of conflict etc 19:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 159 points, T:1059, killed by an uninjured black pudding 19:28 !tell LarienTelrunya did you remove the wand of wishing from the castle? 19:28 I'm on it, amateurhour. 19:28 amateurhour: You don't need her to answer that. 19:28 You already know the answer. 19:28 yeah :P 19:28 isn't "just blew up his/her bag of holding" a livelog in vanilla? 19:28 but it would suck if it is here and I'm just walking away 19:29 <@iatrocrat> im playing on NAO 19:29 oh 19:29 <@iatrocrat> ffs 19:29 oh 19:29 #quit 19:29 lo 19:29 <@iatrocrat> well 19:29 <@iatrocrat> i did just find a magic marker 19:29 <@iatrocrat> like right now 19:29 in 3.7 you don't lose all your stuff when it happens 19:30 amateurhour: the wand is probably undetectable-cursed and embedded in a random square of rock 19:30 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:30 <@iatrocrat> i might just go farm for a bunch of loot 19:30 <@iatrocrat> right now 19:30 <@iatrocrat> or is that not worth doing 19:30 and has a 70% chance of any wish resulting in a monster being summoned 19:32 I think this castle variant just doesn't have one 19:33 hush I'm having fun speculating 19:33 every evil thing you say gets added and the game gets worse 19:33 shhhhh 19:34 unlike with evilhack I have no qualms about making slex more evil 19:34 if I show amy an idea that she likes and wants in the game, great 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:673 19:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 648 points, T:849, [0:05:09], killed by an uninjured homunculus, while sleeping 19:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:35 I think SLEX bugs me in the ways it does because I enjoy games that're incredibly silly but I also like when that silliness is properly honed/filtered 19:38 it's so long 19:39 this is understatement 19:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1073, rt[0:04:22] 19:40 <@Computer Man> slex is unadulterated fleecy silliness 19:41 if there was brevislex it'd be pretty fun 19:41 <@Computer Man> i want slex but without having to take the loss 19:41 idk how bothered I can be to do up to 225 more floors 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed ansic's ghost, the former Candidate, on T:1307 19:42 what loss? 19:42 !lastgame ansic 19:42 nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/ansic/nethack/dumplog/1616887320.nh.html 19:42 <@Computer Man> the loss of playing slex 19:43 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Val Xra Mal Law), 1805 points, T:1968, quit 19:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 531 points, T:2005, killed by a wounded bugbear 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1809 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1097 points, T:2158, killed by a wounded dog 19:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:19049 19:57 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 19:57 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3615, rt[0:22:17] 19:58 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3783, rt[0:23:34] 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2250 20:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:19710 20:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1643 20:01 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 884 points, T:1591, killed by a wounded pony 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3840 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3885 20:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:3935 20:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3984 20:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:20059 20:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] slarty (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3802 20:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5668, rt[0:34:57] 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2113 points, T:4285, killed by a wounded kitten 20:17 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:72516 20:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed greased ring of p'hul", on T:20478 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided locusts, on T:72577 20:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:6629, rt[0:44:29] 20:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) wished for "fixed marker", on T:20651 20:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) wished for "3 cursed fixed scrolls of genocide", on T:20703 20:25 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide striped shirt of esp", on T:20762 20:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 stone helm of speed", on T:20787 20:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased mithril magic lamp", on T:20791 20:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 487 points, T:926, killed by a slightly wounded imp, while praying 20:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 33418 points, T:9260, [0:58:55], killed by a nearly deceased soldier, while sleeping 20:34 !lastgame tommo 20:34 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tommo/setseed/dumplog/1616888132.seed.html 20:34 rip 20:36 riprip 20:37 omg wat is that underscore 20:37 -!- tommo_ is now known as tommo 20:37 heck that 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2508 20:38 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 20:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:21503 20:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:21507 20:38 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:39 That happens with an interrupted conntection 20:39 connection* 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 586 points, T:746, killed by a heavily wounded iguana 20:39 also hi tommo* 20:40 asgdnfhg 20:40 tommo: anyway you want to look at /msg NickServ ghost help 20:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) wished for "fixed marker", on T:21581 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed oh6's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:2682 20:44 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 20:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:21949 20:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (alhoons), on T:22080 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:543 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:2873 20:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3848 20:55 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Pri Gia Mal Neu), 334 points, T:555, killed by a bolt of fire 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] slarty (Mon Hum Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:5174 20:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:22324 21:05 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 527 points, T:903, killed by a dwarf 21:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Kunoichi, on T:3381 21:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:22711 21:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3474 21:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] slarty (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 866 points, T:5447, killed by an uninjured rothe, while fainted from lack of food 21:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3774 21:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3620 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] slarty (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:11, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 21:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:24092 21:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:22952 21:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:22981 21:16 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1429 points, T:3948, killed by an uninjured priest of Thoth 21:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:47916 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4882 21:23 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 21:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:23585 21:24 oh look it's a rif 21:26 -!- el_test has joined #hardfought 21:26 -!- el_test has quit [Client Quit] 21:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:23784 21:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:25140 21:29 CNT-FAI: You alright? 21:30 just cleared a full night's sleep in the middle of the day 21:30 heh 21:30 woke up when the front desk called to notify me that my chinese food had been spotted in front of the door 21:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Vagrant, on T:13709 21:30 really thankful i didnt happen to order meat today 21:33 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Con Gno Fem Cha), 63 points, T:392, killed by an iron ball collision 21:34 Yay 21:34 CNT-FAI: It's not too bad if you have a unicorn horn available. 21:34 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/Umbrapad Tinkering with this atm 21:34 say what ara 21:35 it's a food poisoning joke 21:35 ahhhhh 21:35 i almost reacted to it straightforwardly bc Cntfai did in fact put down a gray unicorn in the current runb 21:36 if it were meat/dairy i'd throw it away but as it stands it just needs a couple min in the microwave 21:36 good 21:38 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:41 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 297249 points, T:25478, suffocated by a water elemental 21:42 !lastgame arahael 21:42 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1600586690.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1616754581.evil.html 21:42 rip 21:43 F 21:43 So sad. 21:43 That game was absolutely ascension worthy. 21:44 Could've done wishless, even 21:44 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Val Dwa Fem Neu), 361 points, T:671, killed by a magic missile 21:44 CNT-FAI: if you have any ideas you feel like throwing at this variants wall feel free to edit them in 21:44 alright 21:46 fair warning BZFlag is starting a league season on 4/1 based partly on my recommendations and I've been drafted to a great team, and losses get 1 point to incentivize quantity of matches, so that will be a thing in my gaming time 21:46 oh good on ya! 21:46 congrats 21:46 thanks, my role has been small so far but i will definitely be participating 21:47 -!- fadein has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 21:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) averted death, on T:26763 21:49 hm hmmm 21:50 what would be a reasonable set of statline caps for an antperson race 21:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 282768 points, T:26962, killed by a yellow dragon 21:54 -!- fadein has joined #hardfought 21:54 !lastgame Feya 21:54 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Feya/dnethack/dumplog/1605975539.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Feya/dnethack/dumplog/1616878382.dnh.txt 21:55 Hello new person 21:56 s/new/unfamiliar-to-me 21:56 or rather wb 21:56 6_9 21:57 yeesh, that acid must've done some shit 21:58 <@Computer Man> Umb are you tripping 22:01 i miss acid 22:02 <@Computer Man> I always have my yellow dsm on 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 377 points, T:631, killed by an uninjured kitten 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Kni Hum Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:3876 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4089 22:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 22:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5281 points, T:4961, rt[0:22:52], wc[2 days, 1:25:12], quit 22:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4956 22:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:5065 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:5120 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Cohen's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:5132 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6576 22:15 I'm trying a desk setup at a new place I haven't really played nethack before 22:16 the monitor is pretty far away from me 22:16 and I have to use glasses to see anything 22:16 but I noticed it's really hard to see dark blue 22:16 I am standing in a corridor with a floating eye next to me but I have to bend forward to tell what's the symbol next to me 22:16 I wonder if I should just ban dark blue and dark gray entirely and make them some bright color instead 22:16 preemptive go team e 22:17 https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7TuerDXY/1616897857.JPG 22:17 the monitor is pretty far back 22:17 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 2867 points, T:3124, killed by a rope golem 22:18 I'd change the color to a brighter shade of blue 22:18 I think blue in general is hard to see over dark blackground 22:18 I'd play xnethack and either be happy with cyan floating eyes, or use MONSTERCOLOR to change them to whatever 22:18 :P 22:18 I vaguely remember something about eyes usually not having the blue color sensing sells at the same density as red and green ones 22:18 so blue looks more fuzzy 22:18 I have a special terminal profile for nethack so I'm going to change terminal settings instead 22:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:27767 22:19 <@deathsushi> That's a nice set up Adeon 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1058 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 6274 points, T:5539, quit 22:19 <@deathsushi> I guess you could increase font size 22:19 <@deathsushi> At a cost of reduced real estate 22:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 453428 points, T:27767, killed by brainlessness 22:19 <@deathsushi> I never love those solutions 22:19 !lastgame Som 22:19 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Som/dnethack/dumplog/1616764543.dnh.txt 22:19 Aw Som :c 22:20 Starspawned 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:7023 22:22 I turned my dark blue in to bright orange 22:22 and made my fountains lighter too 22:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:7056 22:24 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2210, rt[0:14:51] 22:25 ugh this setup is very comfortable to sit 22:25 but it's straining my eyes 22:25 I am not used to using computers with glasses on 22:25 but if i take them off then my eyes are too bad to see any text 22:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2677, rt[0:16:06] 22:25 I've used glasses for... most of my life 22:26 began using them when I was 5 or 6, I think 22:26 permit me another OT post for this hero from yesterday https://twitter.com/RobbBeaux/status/1375749402279706628 22:27 i started using reading glasses about 1.5 yrs ago 22:27 hate it 22:27 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1774, rt[0:16:18] 22:27 farsight is still good tho 22:27 I've used glasses about 10 years 22:27 but I usually have them off when I don't need them 22:27 <{Demo}> it is ok k2 22:27 I had eye surgery ~10 years ago which helped me to not need ultra thick glasses 22:27 <{Demo}> you made it long enough 22:27 blah 22:27 I tried to check out LASIK surgery but they said my eyes are too thin and the operation would be dangerous 22:27 so no surgery for me 22:28 unfortunately lasik isnt for farsightedness 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1846 points, T:2109, killed by an uninjured dwarf, while sleeping 22:28 hmmm 22:29 maybe I can make the text much biger 22:29 turn off the curses menus 22:29 let's see here 22:30 yes that helped 22:30 the text is now large enough that I don't have to use glasses 22:31 okay I can't tell traps and floor apart when they are near same color 22:31 CNT-FAI: Watching any hockey atm? 22:31 but I'm sure that's no problem 22:31 yea the college boys 22:32 was cleaning my glasses and thought i saw "unfortunately lasik isnt for forgiveness" 22:32 metalocalypse vibes 22:33 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 1439 points, T:2231, killed by a Mordor orc 22:34 :) 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Priest, on T:7149 22:34 <{Demo}> :( 22:35 (:) 22:35 Adeon: The terminal I use lets me set a "minimum contrast". 22:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:7867 22:36 Adeon: Such that regardless of the colour scheme that's used, it'll ensure that there's a minimum contrast. 22:36 arahael: which terminal is that? 22:36 I imagine K2 and {Demo} like the drama masks 22:36 Adeon: iTerm2, but I'm sure there's another that has similar ideas. 22:36 <{Demo}> those slap 22:36 ah yeah I am also using iterm2 22:36 <{Demo}> i like tragedies but i also like comedies 22:37 Adeon: Check out the options, then, it's pretty darn good. 22:37 let me see I want to check that out hmm where is it 22:37 oh there it is 22:37 I never noticed it 22:37 Yep - profiles -> colours. 22:37 i write sins not tragedies 22:38 <{Demo}> i will play my game beneath the spin light 22:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Blackbeard's Ghost, on T:20483 22:39 umbire i was misleadingly incomplete i am currently watching th eovertime btwn duluth and nd on espnu 22:40 <{Demo}> damn ive never heard that song 22:40 o 22:40 drama mask? 22:40 game on my end's Omaha/Minnesota 22:40 <{Demo}> k2 like the theater shit 22:40 <{Demo}> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/825560065326448650/9167c8f4d35ee7c2868d6f60824d860a.png 22:41 <{Demo}> :D D: 22:42 i think it would be better if it were Zedd - Clarity with the lyric "I write sins not tragedies" 22:44 the dark blue -> bright orange color change is very nice 22:44 I will now do this always 22:44 blue jellies are bright orange 22:44 gnome lords are orange 22:45 ettin mummies are orange 22:45 friendship ended with dark blue 22:45 orange is my new best friend 22:45 orange is the new... darkblue? 22:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:4092, rt[0:34:25] 22:47 yes 22:47 join the orange gang 22:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 4863 points, T:1873, killed by a Woodland-elf, while being terrified of a ghost 22:48 -!- moony has quit [Quit: Bye!] 22:48 I always make that mistake. 22:51 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 22:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6922, rt[0:41:39] 22:51 Another milkbombing>? 22:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4798, rt[0:40:57] 22:53 Umbire: Ghost from the healing potion, yeah. 22:53 F 22:54 And I didn't really /need/ it, either. It was just a defensive quaff. 22:57 please drink responsibly kids 22:58 [wizard voice] im in 22:58 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:5336, rt[0:46:47] 23:10 [hdf-us] [un] Trenin (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 2903 points, T:5040, killed by a Woodland-elf 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:5253 23:12 [hdf-au] [slex] PeachMuffin (Nec Sho Fem Law), 3459 points, T:1726, killed by a monster (smash troll) 23:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6409, rt[1:00:27] 23:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 7820 points, T:5619, killed by a heavily wounded dingo 23:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:3559 23:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 33107 points, T:8124, quit 23:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:8300, rt[1:18:05] 23:30 whew just looted a rare books shop on inventory day and i feel fine 23:30 Niceu 23:31 aosdict: How viable do you think it would be to make race-specific pantheons for certain roles? 23:31 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 23:31 Not an idea I'm married to, just for asking's sake 23:31 hehe 23:31 im a mastodon 23:31 certainly sounds viable for an RL specializing in religion 23:32 big tommo 23:32 hope u like butts 23:32 bonk 23:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:24558 23:32 i like big tusks and i cannot lie 23:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:24561 23:32 lmao 23:32 Umbire: you want dnethack. I dunno 23:32 CNT-FAI: granted the actual gods themselves are p. interchangeable from a fluff standpoint in vanilla 23:33 yea thats why i think the effort could be most rewarding if u went in that direction 23:33 though also #StoneSoupDidIt 23:33 (to some degree) 23:33 you should prob. try dnh at some point rif 23:33 prob 23:33 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 102146 points, T:10445, [1:24:01], killed by a wounded invisible rock troll 23:33 haha there is gold buried in the shop 23:33 awkward 23:34 yeah best to just leave that alone 23:36 wow hobbit just threw me a wooden runed dagger named Monster SLayer 23:36 it really is a monster slayer 23:37 named weapons are enchanted 23:37 so def. keep 23:37 BUC check for sure though 23:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a giant bat corpse on an altar of Ptah, on T:4577 23:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1376, rt[0:06:36] 23:39 wow no cursed items 23:40 oh one potion 23:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:25083 23:42 still good 23:42 not watching yet btw, been writing/troping all day 23:42 ya 23:42 <@deathsushi> Whoa, rif, rejecting atheism?!?!?!?! 23:42 <@deathsushi> Jesus didn't die for your sins!!!! Let me inform you 23:43 <@deathsushi> He purposely stayed alive to not die for your sins. Let's sit down and I can help you understand and maybe you can come to accept atheism into your heart 23:43 funny you should mention that 23:43 <@deathsushi> Agreed. I was just hilarious right up there. 23:43 <@deathsushi> (K now I'll stop) 23:43 as i'm Jewish and on other parts of the internet have spoken often of how what is called "atheism" is often just Christian apostasy 23:44 Oh? 23:44 you were kidding but also pretty concisely summarized this 23:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:10080, rt[1:32:50] 23:44 i have had several real life ex-christian friends harangue me about religion and accuse me of believing all kinds of shit i very much didn't bc they saw themselves as atheist and me as in league with their oppressors 23:45 <{Demo}> god made himself in my image 23:45 like every so often a tweet goes around like "Religion leads to banning music, sex, dancing, flavor," and all other kinds of shit that Judaism actually encourages and/or requires respectively 23:46 binary thinking dogwalked 'em eh 23:46 they got leashed 23:46 I feel like that's mostly a Euromerican conceit 23:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:25486 23:46 largely, although I gather ex-Muslims, etc can be similar 23:46 don't quote me ont hat part 23:47 haha my large cat picked up an unlocked large box after i put items in it 23:50 yeah large cats are strong enough to pick those up now 23:50 you'll have to bolt 'em down somehow :B 23:50 I mean they always were, meant more "your cat's grown up into one now so get used to that) 23:50 righto 23:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2466, rt[0:17:46] 23:51 s/)/" 23:51 been making silly ass typos a lot lately 23:51 how much does it matter to have (i presume unholy) water? im XL5 and at an altar on DL6 23:52 I try to avoid doing unholy water prayers, prefer making use of it pre-cursed 23:52 or dipping in fountains 23:52 but it can be p. nifty down the line for a lot of items' cursed forms 23:53 wut does dipping uncursed water in fountains do 23:53 bc theres also a fountain here 23:53 oh there's a 1/30 chance of it cursing the dipped itmm 23:53 item* 23:53 ahhhh 23:53 so I do that sometimes when I'm busy fishing for wishes 23:54 nice i got 3 potions of unholy water 23:54 how u get wishes at the fountain? 23:54 dipping or quaffing might call a water demon 23:54 and they have a chance to be peaceful 23:54 peaceful ones offer you a wish 23:54 ahhhh 23:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Mal Cha) killed Geryon, on T:25791 23:57 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 23:57 oh hi juiblex 23:57 @v?genetic engineer 23:57 genetic engineer (Q) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d4 claw poly | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, poisonous, infravisible 23:57 oh hi yeenoghu 23:58 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 23:58 @v?yeenoghu 23:58 Yeenoghu (&) | Lvl: 56 | Diff: 31 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison magic drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: unique | AC: -5 | Attacks: 3d6 weapon physical, 2d8 weapon confuse, 1d6 claw paralyze, 2d6 cast magic missile | Alignment: -15 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible