00:00 which as stated are smaller sources of potential humiliation 00:01 gosh i miss Worms Armageddon 00:01 i still have it on steam 00:01 havent tried WMD yet 00:01 I've not played many Worms games 00:01 Wormslikes sure 00:01 Liero? 00:02 Mostly one of those stickman flash games 00:02 liero is the best, but it's more like a shooter though 00:02 and also some dinky phone clone with moles 00:02 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:03 Man Liero was the shit we were sneaking on school computers 2 actual decades ago 00:03 i bet it would underwhelm now 00:03 CNT-FAI, cool! 00:03 no man, it's so fast 00:04 at this point i own too many versions of worms 00:04 to play that lol 00:04 Huh, guess I should check it out 00:04 Umbire, it's a multiplayer game really 00:04 trips me out that as tired as I get of my dad's attempts to nudge me towards hacker culture due to how pop culture has assimilated it 00:04 for one keyboard so it's just 2 players 00:05 I'm buddying up with like, actual hackers and other such tech-savvy people 00:05 Muad: nah I know, the stickman flash game I played had controls like that 00:05 the distinction is a little surreal when you spend a lot of time around us 00:05 local multiplayer in general is underutilized and unappreciated I feel 00:05 CNT-FAI: right? 00:06 i remember people tapping into random mobile phone calls at the 2600 meeting at the internet cafe 00:06 yeah, it's been delegated to consoles only, and i hear even there it's not that common 00:06 <@deathsushi> If I'm wearing a ring of sustain ability and a mind flayer eats my brain, does it have any impact? 00:06 <@deathsushi> Ah, amnesia still happens 00:06 It prevents the INT loss specifically 00:07 The amnesia still occurs 00:07 <@deathsushi> Oh, but mind flayers no longer cause amnesia in 3.7 00:07 none at all? 00:07 <@deathsushi> From the wiki: Amnesia now forgets spells and skills; object identities and maps are not forgotten. Also, mind flayers no longer cause amnesia. 00:07 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 00:07 <@deathsushi> So I'm guessing with a ring of SA, you're safe from them 00:07 oh, huh. i thought some effects were reduced/removed but that's pretty thorough 00:07 Yeah but good luck IDing one without a scroll/spell 00:09 amnesia removal is a pretty huge nerf on mf's.. 00:10 Polyforms are still busted tho 00:10 You can't reverse INT loss as easily due to unihorn nerfs 00:10 so still a significant threat in that 00:10 good point 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3345 00:11 which also has the effect of making uncursed restore ability not dilution fodder anymore 00:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on Dlvl:44, on T:69822 00:12 Monk special spell also actually matters worth a shit now too 00:12 (blessed restores all lost levels so it always had that much use) 00:13 this sounds a bit tedious compared to my usual 3.4.3 routine of just dipping everything and carrying 50 potions of water to ascension 00:14 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:13516, rt[2:13:25] 00:14 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:13517, rt[2:13:26] 00:14 actually it's good. i forget which variant did this unihorn nerf way back, either spork or unnethack 00:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:69843 00:14 unnet 00:14 well unnet did it first at least 00:15 dunno if spork followed suit or what 00:15 oh, unnethack stole everything from spork ]:) 00:15 (idk) 00:15 it was just one of those i think. 00:15 (i'm the biggest spork fan in the world) 00:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:70025 00:20 Deathsushi just killed the Wizard of Yendor also 00:23 Ye, was reported ~10min ago 00:25 well that's odd because i saw it happen right then and there 00:25 lol her armor rn is like 00:25 Oh 00:26 Probably saw like a 2nd/3rd kill 00:26 blessed +4 shirt, blessed +4 mithril elven gsrm, blessed silver dragon scales, blessed fireproof +5 pair of speed boots, blessed rustproof +4 gauntlets of power, an... 00:26 Beholder tends to only report the first kill and every fifth kill 00:26 blessed +4 gold dented pot named fix 00:26 +ed 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Roamer, on T:38777 00:26 No cloak for the scales to go on? 00:27 I know they take the cloak slot themselves but can't you put them on cloaks? 00:27 idk but imagining some dungeon ceo type fuck geting a dent in their sauce pan and just going "fuck it" 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Nomad, on T:38786 00:28 lol 00:28 but also dented pots have been improvised helmet standard going back... 00:28 how long? 00:28 gold though 00:28 actual question, this is the curiosity that hooks my brain cells 00:28 Oh no I know you're referring to the gold on specifically 00:28 well 00:28 I'm just pondering the trope's origins now 00:29 would guess sometime after consumerism became a thing in the 20s/30s 00:29 mass production of kitchen goods 00:29 convincing ppl to buy a bunch of diffrent sized and shaped pots for the first time 00:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:70344 00:30 Probs 00:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:70350 00:31 * Umbire ponders if he should make male Valks playable 00:31 oh my dudes got the blessed glass amulet of flying 00:31 nyoooooooooom 00:32 Umbire, sure, like, why not 00:32 umby, might need some nerfing 00:32 idgi 00:32 -!- tommo_ has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:32 like i think you cant go male in nh for valk bc like 00:32 does the source material (idk, the Snurri Somethingorother sagas?) say they're all women 00:32 the time and energy to make an entirely separate male nordic/viking role hasjn't been there 00:33 it's not that they're all women so much as that this was a particularly and unusually gendered warrior orle 00:33 id just suggest to be careful not to undo the distinction being made in nh 00:33 nah I get it, male Valks are usu. the result of amulets of change 00:34 was thinking "maybe we could skip a step" but no, completely right about that tbh 00:34 The viking-style role seems more up the 'new idea' alley anyway 00:36 !who 00:36 K2: [hdf-us] ezion [nh370] Draco [slex] Deathsushi [xnh] luxor [slshm] ucbvax [slshm] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:37 yeah i'd definitely add a distinct male viking inspired role first 00:38 though they could be merged if they demand a parallel strategic focus of each other but have different strengths n weaknesses maybe 00:38 how about making V both 00:38 depending on starting gender 00:39 since the quest, pantheon, and equipment might well overlap 00:39 Eh, it wouldn't HAVE to overlap 00:39 the gods would 00:40 oh, i see why this wouldn't work 00:40 yeah 00:40 Plenty of Norse gods 00:40 sure I could figure out something 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4990 00:41 how would you differentiate the Viking from the Barb? 00:41 That's the other primary hurdle 00:42 play up the nordic/arab division there 00:42 It's a Conan-style barb rif 00:42 yeah, pretty nordic 00:42 dunno if that would work 00:42 that's a name i haven't heard in a smooth 30 00:42 The entire role's basically Conan with the serials filed off so 00:43 Berserking could easily be applicable to both/either of them, additional wrinkle there 00:43 Viking food ration is amanita. causes hallucination and double damage 00:44 Said you were Finnish, right? 00:44 yes 00:44 this is what we believe about the vikings 00:44 I mean it's NetHack so full-on fidelity isn't a requirement 00:44 but gotta at least gett some basic facts right 00:45 get* 00:45 I know they're Nordic but iunno if Scandinavians in general have their own takes on it 00:46 oh, Finland wasn't really a thing back then. doesn't really count as Scandinavia either 00:47 https://twitter.com/dril/status/816655771035373570?s=20 00:47 UnNetHack updated (all servers) 00:47 ...it doesn't? 00:47 when I went to school, they specified Fennoscandia as a term for the continental Nordic countries 00:47 Always swore-- 00:47 Ohi K2 00:47 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 00:47 hi 00:47 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 00:48 Well Fennoscandians then! 00:48 please make yourself welcome in this channel, K2. would love to see you stick aroudn #BotThoughts 00:48 we, if indeed any Finns existed back in that age, never had the Norse religion 00:49 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 6743 points, T:2837, quit 00:49 well, you know what they called inventory specialists for the Fennoscandian navies 00:49 (although Kalevala, now considered our national epic, was also simply appropriated from Karelians) 00:49 Scan da Navy in 00:49 hah hah 00:49 lmfao 00:53 if you're interested in pre-medieval Finnish life, i hear the game "Unreal World" is pretty realistic. basically you either freeze to death or get eaten by a bear 00:53 it's called a roguelike, but i haven't tried it 00:54 with Dual Shock (tm) compatible controllers you can get the real feeling of your hands vibrating while you get disemboweled 00:54 you really like channeling your inner dril 00:55 hah 00:55 i was surprised to learn dril came from Something Awful 00:55 ... 00:55 me in the gnomish mines https://twitter.com/dril/status/816655771035373570?s=20 00:55 ...I mean that tracks 00:55 mostly ambivalent at that revelation 00:56 yeah? but couldnt've guessed 00:56 yeah 00:56 but mostly (and also obligatory) fuck lowtax 00:56 but also also 00:56 CNT-FAI: replace that with daggers and you're 110% on target 00:57 actual knives are a pita to find 00:57 you just have to call your daggers knives now for legal reasons 00:57 i am glad to see lowtax as gone as possible but i miss when i could find the dope irc channels by whoising him 00:57 RIP 00:57 I mean good riddance but I could use more dope IRC in my life 00:57 last time i ended up being able to use a streaming server to show stuff to friends 00:58 sick 00:58 and theyd be like wow how did you do this and i'd be like i know a guy 00:58 hah hah 01:02 gnite all 01:03 Night 01:04 niters 01:05 why're you hating on lowtax (i don't know anything about lowtax or SA except what my friend who used FYAD(?) said and that's been decades) 01:06 turns out he's an actual piece of shit for reasons that'd probably get hammers swung if I went in-depth 01:06 oh 01:06 gn 01:06 yeah he is for real bad 01:07 one of the least bad things about him is that he genuinely supports regressive tax, conceputalized here as 'tax cuts' 01:07 and that's really cruel shit in an ultra stratified country 01:09 probably should've expected that from the name 01:10 lol 01:10 it's pretty late in the states, and very early in the EU.. you can share the dirt 01:11 It's not a "maturity" thing, more of a "it's legitimately infuriating and I risk tilting to bannable levels" thing 01:12 i'd honestly just google it 01:12 all right 01:12 it's just the three of us though and i'd spartacus y'all 01:12 or it might be more fruitful to search twitter idk 01:12 twitter's search sucks 01:13 nobody said otherwise 01:13 twitter in general sucks tbf 01:13 i mean it's terrible. if someone said it sucks on twitter, there would be no way to find the tweet 01:13 tweetdeck makes it bearable 01:14 [hdf-us] [fh] Touristina (phollenback) (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the ghost of work, the former Evoker, on T:11832 01:16 ijs i dont actually remember it with any precision bc i already distrusted the dude partly from the name and partly from observing his circle of friends 01:16 my reaction when the thing happened was like, yeah that's lowtax 01:17 Apparently there's a domestic situation that's taken a turn. 01:17 all I will say of that. 01:17 all right I guess I got the gist of it 01:18 from twitter search 01:18 Best not to dig into that stuff in a channel like this at any time of night then 01:18 it's not like folks get banned from here for talking when everyone else's asleep 01:19 there are multiple very good reasons not to get into the details of domestic situations here 01:19 yeah 01:20 throw me a bone here i've had to agree with the mods to not get into this kind of stuff explicitly anymore 01:20 yeah. 01:20 just realized i may have used one of the most obscure idioms 01:20 not that obscure lol 01:20 throw me a bone? 01:20 on a funnier note his own goons cast him out and he was just banned from SA today I hear 01:20 i guess dogs are the same everywhere 01:21 what's wild for me is how long that takes 01:21 it be ur own goon 01:21 the whole thing with lowtax now goes all the way back to like 01:21 last summer 01:22 there are courthouses that move faster than this 01:23 It was sold to someone else in October 2020, hopefully not for too much money 01:23 1 sandwich, extra turkey bacon 01:23 Yeah, but he got the more formal of the bootings today 01:24 after all the capital he farmed off that goon squad 01:24 my dude really ran with the whole "a small amount of money dedicates your commitment to each other" grift 01:24 and now he's likely penniless 01:24 i did not actually realize 01:24 couldn't have happened to a nicer guy :^) 01:25 sounds like the kinda guy who might've blown it all yeah 01:25 01:25 yeah it makes sense 01:25 https://twitter.com/Lowtax_Network unrelated: this unfortunately-named business group 01:27 wow i had the most insane dream ever hahaha 01:27 it was like being in a video game 01:28 do go on 01:28 make notes quick before it fades! 01:28 I've had quite a few of those 01:28 hard seconding on the notes bit 01:28 i didnt get into fortnite or apex legends when they were big because i had recurring half-lucid dreams where i'd get tossed at a city out of a plane 01:28 Oh sweet shit 01:28 * Pinkbeast arrives from Porlock 01:28 take it you're not big into falling dreams based on that 01:29 https://dpaste.com/4TJHYFS8N#wrap 01:29 well, chicken and the egg 01:29 Muad: alread did i copy pasted from some texts i sent a mate lol 01:30 CNT-FAI: also fun fact, I actually made an OC based off NetHack/dream shit 01:30 *johnny carson voice* That is wild 01:30 made an OC? 01:30 sort of a synthesis for a character concept I was working on and an actual dream I had 01:30 also what is wild CNT-FAI 01:30 original character 01:30 ur dream 01:30 ah okay 01:30 no one mention donuts 01:30 CNT-FAI: yhuh 01:30 or you dai 01:30 and like, theres so much im still vaguely remembering that aws more wild than i managed to put in words thus far 01:30 lol 01:31 cuz in some of the epic boss fights this guy has crazy superpowers 01:31 it's surprisingly hard to put words to waht feels like a set of pretty concrete experiences 01:31 but so do you kinda 01:31 Oddly there is no equivalent "UOC" for when you dream up someone who's basically Batman with the serial numbers fired off 01:31 Pinkbeast: lmao 01:31 this dream violates the EULA 01:31 lotta weird mechanics i cant quite remmeber or fully explain 01:32 I never formally wrote it down but I talked about it on Discord with someone 01:32 but i like the core concept idea of repeating this story stuff from diff angles and working out your own crazy and the true events 01:32 i feel fairly sure this concept has been done a few times in various awys 01:32 like in that samurai film.. what'sitsname (haven't seen it) 01:32 Rashomon 01:33 Le Samourai 01:33 [not really] 01:33 "AOC": your OC is an American politician who's not as ghastly as most 01:33 when she gets class-presidenty she really creeps me out 01:33 idk how much it's been done in games, probably kinda hard to do in games 01:33 CNT-FAI, well i wasn't sure if it was The Seven Samurai or not, i haven't seen either one lol 01:33 Pinkbeast: lmao 01:33 COC: your OC has a massive - no, I'll leave that one where it is 01:33 Le Samourai is a little different 01:34 Pinkbeast: lmao 01:34 Pinkbeast, DOC: please have a seat on the couch 01:34 all i can say according to the new EULA is that the name is accurate that it is one dude 01:34 Muad: rofl 01:34 Pinkbeast: did u sleep yet 01:34 ZOC: your OC attacks anyone who moves into an adjacent hex # (from "zone of control", since we may not all be grognards) 01:34 aoei: Oh, loads of times. But not tonight. 01:35 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:35 haha 01:35 some how not surprised 01:35 i got the ZOC bit *just* before the parens 01:35 grognard.. haven't heard that in a while 01:35 but i havent played a game where that matters in a long time 01:35 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 01:36 not sure i've ever heard grognard 01:36 technically Civilization 1 and 2 had ZOCs 01:36 I know who it was but I can't find the conversation anymore. 01:36 grognards are the hardcore war strategy players who scoff at any games that don't have hexes in them 01:36 and they don't mean magic 01:36 Muad: i never really played those but freeciv was very heavily civ2 based iirc? 01:36 CROC: "Chompy Reptilian Original Character" 01:36 i think Wesnoth also had ZOCs 01:36 too far 01:36 Freeciv is more Civ 2 than any other Civ (I happen to know one of the developers) 01:37 well la de da 01:37 (jk) 01:37 Pinkbeast: which dev. 01:37 dont tell me sgt did freeciv stuff too 01:37 aoei, i think so. ZOCs in those meant if you're next to a rival unit, you can't move to another square that's also next to a rival unit, unless that square has one of your own units already in it. 01:37 Muad: idk that game was trash anyway 01:37 or maybe just too hard for me and im insulting it for my own inadequacies 01:38 aoei: Jacob Nevins 01:38 probably. Civ 1 is the only game i ever cried over 01:38 then i decided i wouldn't allow games to humiliate me EVER AGAIN!! 01:38 LOL 01:38 i was like 12. 01:38 Some of the Civ 4 megamods give cities or various kinds of artillery ZOCs 01:38 fair :p 01:39 i find Civ games quite difficult generally 01:39 I've completely forgotten about reciting the dream and now I'm trying to find this person again... 01:39 i never could beat Civ 3 on anything higher than like Warlord 01:39 Warlord is the second easiest difficulty ffs 01:39 it goes up to some crazy ones 01:39 Civ 4 is my Civ, at least until Sid says "here's Civ 4 but with hexes" and I say TAKE MY MONEY 01:39 aoei, but they're all just more cheats to AI 01:39 Muad: yeah i only recently realised this 01:40 i foujnd some guuide on how to actually beat the AI on the really high diffs 01:40 I sometimes win Noble, which is the "no game-mechanical advantage" level, but I steer clear of excessively Hypothetically Optimal behaviour 01:40 which is basically build cities everywhere and always be at war 01:40 Pinkbeast, Civ 4 is the bestest. absolutely love the music 01:40 well okay I love Beethoven and Dvorak. 01:40 it goes a bit more in depth than im saying but yea 01:40 Muad: And the fix for infinite city spam :-) 01:40 Muad: i havent played civ 4 much, civ 3 is the one i played really big 01:40 i might really enjoy civ 3 01:40 er 01:40 4 01:41 aoei, i skipped that entirely and went straight to 4 01:41 if i had time to play and my computer could run it 01:41 actually it may not be that bad even for this shitty laptop, civ 4 is not a new game 01:41 it does get pretty heavy in the end game for some reason 01:41 aoei: If you do resolve these, you may want to look at the "BUG" mod, which doesn't _change_ anything, but gives you easy access to any piece of information you could know in principle. 01:42 Pinkbeast: piece of information about game world or game state? 01:42 Pinkbeast, what's infinite city spam?? 01:42 er, thats maybe not that clear 01:42 Muad: best strategy is build cities everywhere 01:42 (eg unmodded you can find out if someone will make peace going into the diplomacy interface every turn, so it just tells you) 01:42 i thought civ 2 already did away with that 01:42 (again, i skipped 3) 01:42 Civ 2 and 3 try to but don't succeed IIRC 01:42 Muad: i thought it was bad in civ 2 but civ 3 did away with it 01:43 Oh, I've played 3 about once, so don't listen to me 01:43 civ 3 isn't so bad but the guide on beating high difficulties uses it 01:43 i didn't do it in 2. i just used the caravans to make massive cities 01:43 i haven't played civ 2 so i cant say how bad it was in civ 2 01:43 aoei: I'm not sure on the distinction you're drawing between game world and state 01:43 but this is what i heard 01:43 cuz they gave cities 50% food you could just use cities to feed each other from empty space 01:43 Pinkbeast: game world as in rules and mechanics/info applicable to any game 01:43 vs info about your current game 01:44 the former is essentially ingame encyclopedia 01:44 Oh, right. Game state. (But a lot of the things it exposes effectively are only things you would know if you were perfectly spoiled on the mechanics) 01:44 but the thing you said about diplomacy 01:44 makes it clear and also the nuance 01:44 tha tin some cases it sa shortcut for information that is leaked anyway 01:45 Essentially all it does is shortcut information that would be leaked anyway to a player who knew all the documented mechanics. 01:45 i am fine with this lmao 01:45 (and often, as with the diplomacy thing, information any player could find out). 01:45 It's superb. 01:47 whoops almost starved in DayZ while alt-tabbed because y'all talk about Civ 01:47 i might try and work out if it'll run on my crappy lappy 01:47 best way to do this i find is to download game and try to run game 01:48 it works or it doesnt 01:48 fifty fifty chance 01:48 It runs OK on rei and nearly every part in her is over a decade old 01:48 yeah i think we'll manage 01:49 the slick graphics of Hollow Knight managed to thermal crit my machine 01:49 but it runs Portal and Portal 2 without issues 01:50 * Pinkbeast makes the sigh-Portal-2 face 01:50 what 01:50 is it not good 01:50 i barely remember 01:50 i just know i can actually run it on this machine 01:50 CNT-FAI: You still around? 01:50 Oh, no, it's _good_. But it's not as good as Portal, and it outright drops the ball a couple of times 01:50 civ 4 isn't heavy. just the end-game computer turns get pretty slow 01:50 yeah just started a priestess 01:50 Pinkbeast: sounds legit 01:51 honestly i dont even quite remember if i beat portal 2 01:51 im pretty sure i finished the first game 01:51 ages ago 01:51 is the cake song the finale of 1 or 2 01:51 im leaning towards that's Portal 01:51 In particular Portal 2, a lot of the developer commentary is along the lines of "we saw players gazing at this wall for 0.2 picoseconds, so we made it unportalable" 01:51 That's Portal 1 01:52 lol whut 01:52 0.2 ps 01:52 So a) Portal 2 is almost entirely missing the way in Portal 1 some puzzles had multiple solutions, not outright sequence breaking bugs, just clever non-obvious approaches 01:52 But b) Portal 2's later puzzles are _super_ vulnerable to "I know every gameplay element here has a use in the solution" meta-analysis 01:53 ah 01:53 I exaggerate for comic effect (apparently unsuccessfully) 01:53 no i got ur point lol 01:53 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Wiz Dop Mal Law), 314 points, T:560, killed by an icy touch 01:53 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 01:53 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 01:54 i saw it was an exaggeration 01:54 still wanted the explanation 01:55 Hi Amy. 01:55 Alright so turns out the person I discussed the dream with was someone who... we became distant a long while ago, try 3-4 years 01:56 I don't think I was particularly hostile towards them but was in something of a worse way than I am now mentally so I might've flushed it for my own sake 01:56 Fortunately I still remember the dream and its contents itself, this is just incredibly inconvenient 01:56 (not on a personal level mind) 01:56 which dream 01:56 the nethack noe 01:56 one 01:56 No 01:57 >CNT-FAI: also fun fact, I actually made an OC based off NetHack/dream shit 01:57 >sort of a synthesis for a character concept I was working on and an actual dream I had 01:57 The donuts warning still stands, by the way. 01:57 so, the nethack one 01:57 oh wait 01:57 the nethack wasn't in the dream 01:57 i got it now lol 01:57 No 01:57 Ye there you go 01:59 Anyhow. The weirdest part of this by far is that this dream entity I'm speaking of is the synthesis of a series of other dreams I'd had about a friend of mine 01:59 i should shower and eat breakfast before i suddenly realise ive just done internet all day and forgot to eat 01:59 I'd had a bit of a crush on her for a while but thankfully I wasn't daft enough to let that become a whole thing but I did think she was cool 01:59 iunno why but she developed this sorta rep for being "scary" so to speak 02:00 lol thats a mood right thur 02:00 source: some of my friends found my ex scary 02:01 among other things this would lead to her appearing in my dreams and trying to kill me in some manner 02:01 or at least do me significant bodily harm 02:01 wow 02:01 i havent had that one about an ex 02:01 i dont think 02:01 lol 02:01 We never dated. 02:01 orite 02:01 just this person I knew online, sorta liked, but was content to remain friends with 02:01 just had intimate homicidal encounters at night 02:02 hahaha 02:02 ye 02:02 which is what makes this so weird you see 02:02 maybe was a warning 02:02 DONT DATE THIS PERSON 02:02 one in particular that I remember was her taking a fuckin' bat to me 02:02 while dressed in a tutu 02:02 lol wtf 02:02 for some reason. 02:02 dreams are wild 02:02 yeah. 02:03 Another one I remember that I wasn't sure if it was mine or not for a moment just now 02:03 Was me her and someone else being on a ship 02:03 And she started playing a drum that caused the thing to sink 02:03 or start sinking 02:04 Third one I distinctly remember having to track down her scarf (cuz that was one of her Things) 02:04 man I wish I had a beautiful bundle girl that beats me up β™₯ 02:04 as well as the feeling of "I better find this thing soon or I am a Dead Motherfucker" 02:04 lol Amy jeez 02:04 amy pls..... 02:04 LarienTelrunya: You and your hobbies 02:05 touch inappropriate 02:05 this was scary dream not fun maso times 02:05 aww :( 02:05 even if I was somehow into that I doubt I'd enjoy a bat being forcefully applied to me shins 02:05 ye :( 02:05 um yeah that is not safe BDSM really 02:05 (nothing was broken thankfully) 02:06 you can get rabies from bats 02:06 generally shins are a hard area to do safely 02:06 I've been having some pretty fucking weird dreams during the plague, too 02:06 ??? okay... I better don't say what I think about that because it would still be inappropriate 02:06 Bat Doing Some Murders 02:06 a bat of the baseball variety mind 02:06 dare i ask what you better dont say what about... wait no i think i got it 02:06 LarienTelrunya: Eh, now we can hear you thinking it 02:06 Amy please don't have anyone take a bat forcefully to your shins 02:06 you might break them 02:07 there were likely more, including one where it turned out to be a android duplicate 02:07 its not a good idea 02:07 and idk if it took place before or after this specific dream I've been leading up to 02:07 which, here we go: 02:07 so I'm in this sorta coliseum right 02:07 Possibly Buffy season one's finest moment is when they find some jock has been beaten with a seemingly autonomous baseball bat and one of the Scoobies chirps up "maybe it was a vampire bat?" 02:07 rofl 02:07 lol 02:08 so I'm in this sorta coliseum right 02:08 im not in a coliseum and also not in the shower where im supposed to be 02:08 and apparently I've not only become some sorta dark hooded superhero (actually another char concept but tbf that one was p. self-inserty) 02:08 back in a bit~ 02:08 aoei: πŸ—‘ 02:09 you better be thorough too >:C 02:09 seems a bit hostile what did i do D: 02:09 NOT shower! 02:09 aaaaaa 02:09 * aoei runs 02:09 hygiene is important! 02:09 now get goin'! 02:10 so anyway I'm this superhero who's also me but fictionalized so I can eventually write some neato fiction tangentially related to my life 02:10 and I'm also part of the Justice League 02:10 which 02:10 1) p. sure I never planned to write that in lmfao 02:11 2) I say "Justice League" but I distinctly recall Captain America amongst the DC chars 02:12 3) p. sure they already had the real Batman there too, so 02:12 does Cap get frozen into an ice block by Loki the Evil Bastard? 02:13 my weirdest dream was one where I had to infiltrate 1980's Soviet Union (the Kola Peninsula) with a black guy (relevant because I had to go to a bar to pick up some items but he wouldn't come with me, because it was racist 80's Finland and he would attract attention). in Kola I was supposed to destroy a psychic research station because they were causing some kind of phenomenon in the present day that was 02:13 keeping me and my spouse on this, second, level of the dream where we had ended up upon being dosed by some people at a party and she told me they were probably raping us and would kill us once they were done 02:13 Goddesses above and below Muad what the fuck 02:13 did not like that dream a bit! 02:14 Kola's that sticky-out bit at the top right, yes? 02:14 yeah, with the nuclear submarines 02:14 that's... harrowing. 02:15 i told her about this dream the next day and she was like "uh.. this was all just *one* dream?" 02:15 nuclear submarines> I had no idea there was anything there except polar bears 02:15 You'd be surprised. 02:16 Murmansk is a big-ass naval base. they beached a bunch of the old subs there i think, contaminating some of the coast 02:16 they also mine a lot of nickel etc, also contaminating the place. not good to live in 02:17 Everything I know about that bit of the world I learned at the Helsinki Worldcon 02:17 Huh. 02:17 much of that might be a bit biased.. 02:18 And some of the bits in the convention newsletter may have been not strictly true; I suspect "ravintola" is not actually one huge restaurant chain 02:19 it's not just one chain. there are subsidiaries like Kebab-Ravintola and Pizza-Ravintola 02:19 (really it just literally means nutrition-place) 02:19 did someone say kebab pizza :D 02:19 That makes sense. And McDonalds Ravintola, there were one or two of those 02:20 i suppose it was in the convention hall near Pasila maybe? 02:20 Er it was called Messukeskus. 02:20 yep, that's it 02:20 in light of that, I would like to continue explaining my dream if that's okay 02:21 of course 02:21 didn't wanna sound like That Guy about it esp. after Maud led with that fuckin' guided missile 02:21 ;) 02:21 *reads backlog to catch up* 02:21 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: gtg now] 02:22 (Really, I spent almost all the convention gophering - my partner was deputy head of Exhibits and Art Show had a _crisis_ - and fortunately Finnish fandom like to have free food in the gopher hole so I subsided almost entirely on horsepig sandwiches and only went to one ravintola) 02:22 Umbire: go ahead, if my flood of nonsense isn't putting you off 02:22 Anyhow, me and this Amalgam-ass team up are facing off against this villainess 02:23 Now, what I neglected to mention is I associated this friend of mine with the color green 02:23 (they generally used it for their sona and such) 02:23 -!- fadein has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:24 -!- Roho has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 02:24 the second I saw this villainess not only was she suspiciously metallic and sorta the same green, my brain was firing off alarms to the effect of "I know her!" 02:24 pretty sure it explicitly made the connection that she was a direct product of the previously mentioned dreams 02:25 oh and she was also three people Geryon-style because why not make it fuckin' weird on top of being troublingly psychological 02:25 oh i didn't know this about Geryon 02:26 Hang on, how'd Geryon get into it 02:26 "oh and she was also three people" 02:26 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 02:26 think ettin, but with the other head being another ettin 02:26 Nah, shared a set of legs 02:26 three torsos? 02:27 yeah 02:27 like I said, Fucking Weird 02:27 "The ancient Greek sources about his appearance are inconsistent with regards to numbers of heads, bodies, and limbs" but OK, three 02:27 Yeah most interpretations I've seen use 3 02:27 and it was the first that came to mind 02:27 Not Cerberus-style? I think Cerberus is more generally agreed to have three heads. 02:27 No. 02:28 I remember distinctly. 02:28 But I also can't use like, ultra-specific examples because the fact I've spent this long on the subject casts aspersions on me as is I feel like 02:29 Anyway. 02:29 I generally don't recall much of the fight, given that this was... 02:29 checking the calendar here... 02:29 it's one soul michael, how much can it cost? 02:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3401 02:29 (idgi) 02:29 I wanna say 2-3 years? 02:29 ten dollars 02:30 Oh, Crawl's Geryon is definitely 3-headed 02:30 https://melmagazine.com/en-us/story/the-inside-story-of-the-10-banana-on-arrested-development 02:30 -!- fadein has joined #hardfought 02:32 CNT-FAI, what do you think of Community? 02:32 But near the end I'd beaten her and we were all about to escape by helicopter 02:32 strongly mixed feelings, too tired to do my whole rant 02:32 gotcha 02:32 (oh did you know the coliseum was also on an island and also about to completely come apart with the island itself? 02:33 I sure didn't, not until this point in the dream!) 02:33 pretty lucky you had a chopper then 02:34 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 02:35 Yeah 02:35 As I was boarding she tried to reach out to me, even contorting her bodies to maximize reach sorta 02:35 but I kinda just 02:35 left her there. 02:35 movie ending type stuff 02:35 one last rep 02:37 o wow i did the shower thing. so fresh and so clean. 02:37 very soap, much wow 02:37 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 02:38 ooh just this other day my friend told me he had, a week ago, dreamt about his friend (whom i don't know) and that friend's father, and the father died in that dream, and he told his friend about the dream, and he visited his father's house and nobody was there and it turned out he had died at a time that might coincide with the dream 02:38 no biggie 02:38 not even read all backscroll yet but Muad WOW 02:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1098 points, T:3709, killed by an uninjured gnome, while fainted from lack of food 02:39 yeah if I could stop having the abyss come up to stare at me that'd be nice 02:39 thank you Muad 02:40 no but really, no shade to you at all, this makes me feel fucking normal in comparison 02:40 if I had either one of those dreams on their own I'd come apart immediately 02:40 (and I just straight up got murdered in one of mine) 02:41 probably subconsciously processing the insanely too real possibility of it irl 02:41 also the shooter looked like Bernie Mac for some reason and called himself "God's representative" 02:41 that guy is making some points actually 02:41 so fuck knows what that's about. 02:41 i don't agree with his methods 02:42 rofl @ Pinkbeast 02:42 I understand this isn't what you mean most likely but I would like to not be dead, thank you. 02:42 did i mention Muad YOUR DREAM WTF 02:42 well that part is not good, i agree 02:42 note that this dream gives me about the same amount of psychological bother as the one I just finished describing before 02:43 Muad: some of the more bizarre elements i vaguely remember about my dream involve slow-mo, fast-mo powers i had in certain boss-fight sections 02:44 and one bit where the guy turns into a kind of cyborg and chokes me while probing my throat and lungs with metalic telescoping fingers 02:44 pretty matrix-y 02:44 oh yea kinda haha 02:44 i dint make that connection myself but yea 02:45 this is a bit gore but ive also had dreams where i have pockets but instead of trouser pockets they're in my flesh and full of glass shards for some reason 02:45 aah i have had those!!! 02:46 its so fucked up! 02:46 i always thought they're because of my diabetes (daily injections) 02:46 lol 02:46 like pockets on the sides of my thighs 02:46 um idk what to tell ya but ive never had diabetes myself, rarely had to have injections for anything 02:46 Muad: i may have had it other places but its usually where the trouser pockets would be ya 02:46 well it's kind of a relief if those happen to others too.. like the "your teeth fall into pieces" ones that are common 02:47 just remembered the point to me telling you all this was to actually talk about the character I'd made from it 02:47 might've overplayed my hand a bit in that regard 02:47 it wasn't to talk about weird gore in dreams? (β‘…Λ˜κ’³Λ˜) 02:47 Aoei. 02:47 also inappropriate emoji 02:47 rifk 02:47 πŸ”¨ 02:47 why the weapon hostility emojis 02:47 honestly im not big fan of those being brought out 02:47 i processed rifk as me and was like ???? 02:48 oh sorry CNT-FAI 02:48 it's a varaint on rofl 02:48 just spelt wrong 02:48 ohhhhhhhhhhh 02:48 rolling in the floor laughing 02:48 that is fun though 02:48 or backronym'd to rolling in floor kicking 02:48 rolling in the floor kvetching 02:48 lol 02:48 aoei what have I told you about noclipping through the floor 02:48 lmao 02:48 omg laughing so hard 02:49 good news: i teleported into the vault. bad news: i dont know how, and I dont have a pick or a means to teleport. 02:49 must have been a tele trap i guess 02:49 do i what, pray? 02:49 unrelated but omg so much cute and fun: https://github.com/Daniel-Liu-c0deb0t/uwu 02:50 Oh, uh 02:50 you're fine 02:50 but first 02:50 how much gold do you have on you 02:50 684 02:50 was that all from the vault? 02:50 mostly 02:50 it doesn't matter for this but I'm curious 02:50 ogh 02:50 *oh 02:50 alright, how's your food? 02:51 1 lichen + garlic & wolfsbane 02:51 fed 02:51 again not particularly important unless you were like super hungty 02:51 hungry* 02:51 im dying to know how she gets out of this one 02:51 okay so, if you don't have a means of teleporting or digging, you just wait for a guard 02:51 i vaguely remember tehre being a way to summon guards 02:51 oh you just wait okay 02:51 they come on their own 02:51 ty 02:51 if you stick around long enough 02:51 then they ask your name and escort you out 02:52 yeah the guy just came and asked 02:52 unless. 02:52 you say you're croesus. 02:52 that gets 'em to leave you alone 02:52 i see 02:52 which you don't want in this case 02:52 <@riker> you're still stuck in that case though 02:52 <@riker> yeah not a wise move here lol 02:52 also I've just been asked to drop all my gold 02:52 yes, riker, that is the sequence of words I just typed. 02:52 lol 02:53 I just wanted to add neat trivia for sake of knowledge 02:53 but yeah, just comply and drop the gold 02:53 <@riker> hey listen I sent the msg at the exact same time the discord bot relayed yours 02:53 (bagged gold included) 02:53 guessi shouldnt have picked any up 02:53 nah I'm not mad 02:53 well I'm mad but at the timing rather than you specifically 02:53 CNT-FAI: it'd be nbd either way 02:53 <@riker> lol 02:54 you mean, once i get a pick? 02:54 once you comply and follow them out you'll know where the vault is for later 02:54 ye 02:54 and then you can just double back 02:54 also once the guard gets far enough they poof 02:54 funny thing is it's DL1 02:54 anyway, so it goes 02:54 and then once you get out of the hallway that was made, it poofs too 02:55 if you get caught in the middle of the solid wall somehow, THAT'S something you whip out the prayer for 02:55 being trapped in solid wall is a major trouble, and if you safely pray, you get phasing for a lil' while 02:55 usu. enough that you can get to solid ground 02:55 oh? i thought you get teleported out 02:55 that's cool 02:55 pets get teleported out 02:55 right, righ 02:56 t 02:56 i had no idea you could pray for that honestly 02:56 also, muad do you play xNH 02:56 If your alignment is low, you just get a potion of booze #named Amontillado 02:56 CNT-FAI, never tried 02:56 yeah, it's a situation I've had to deal with at least once 02:56 Pinkbeast, lol 02:56 in my newb days 02:56 i like Xorning 02:56 probably need to assume that's a possible issue when info in here is surprising 02:56 but i've never actually got stuck like that 02:56 iirc 02:56 CNT-FAI, right, thanks (i had already forgotten) 02:57 the pandanus is fuckin with our brainpieces 02:57 it's not necessarily a variant thing, v. much vanilla 02:57 frankly i'm confused with 3.4.3 vs 3.6.x and 3.7.0 already 02:57 for whatever that's worth 02:57 but yeah, just an FYI in the event it happens 02:57 Muad: i'm still gradually unlearning some 343 things that are not in post-343 02:57 holy shit an uncursed pick just lying in a room in this level 02:57 in your case though you're fine Rif 02:57 you just gotta-- 02:57 well there you go! 02:57 and have been pretty confused about 366 vs 370 02:57 esp cuz 370 keeps changing lol 02:57 now you go and dig right back into that vault 02:58 also note if you're lawful you get a -1 alignment penalty for lying 02:58 (unless your name really is like Croesus or whatever you tell them) 02:58 <@riker> you definitely used to get teleported out if you were in solid rock 02:58 <@riker> im assuming that's a 3.6 thing? 02:59 idk but i might just wiztest this real quick 02:59 unless Umby confirms having checked sauce 02:59 Yeah I'm p. sure that's been a thing before the great 3.6ening 03:00 <@riker> im like 95% sure 3.4.3 just yeeted you 03:00 hmmmmmmmmmmm 03:00 <@riker> rather than giving you phasing 03:00 I have both versions local 03:00 lemme see 03:00 <@riker> im on mobile rn mind testing? 03:00 CNT-FAI: bop me in like a minute to tell you guys about the char 03:00 Yeah I was about to Riker 03:00 im gonna test on 36 i dont have 343 on local tho 03:00 I may remember to do this 03:01 <@riker> neato 03:01 Xorns have a p. good AC despite lack of armor 03:01 i got yeeted 03:01 on 3.6.6 03:01 stop telling nonsense Umbire >:( 03:01 check sauce first or wiztest 03:02 I remember reading about phasing 03:02 [hdf-us] [slshm] SurferOfButthole (Mon Dop Mal Neu), 4415 points, T:2371, killed by a chicken, while helpless 03:02 RIGHT 03:02 right, right 03:02 It gives you phasing if there's no safe spot to teleport you 03:02 well be careful about your misremembered facts. hmm i see 03:02 that's a rare corner case lmao 03:03 Yeah 03:03 it gives you phasing if the tele fails 03:03 8-20 turns 03:03 hm actually 03:03 important for no tele levels 03:03 I'll keep this wizfile anyway, muck around as a xorn some more 03:03 like votd 03:04 rogue goal level :^) 03:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:04 <@riker> ahh makes sense aoei, umbire 03:04 Yahuh 03:04 oh wait lol 03:04 <@riker> I knew it yeeted you somtimes! 03:04 you can't pray in gehennom XD 03:04 <@riker> lmao 03:04 looooool 03:04 that didn't work even with "force gods to be pleased: yes" 03:04 we both keep forgetting things 6_9 03:05 you know what I didn't forget though? 03:05 The voice of Moloch booms: "Thou art arrogant, mortal." 03:05 Umbire: wat 03:05 the character I mentioned before 03:05 what about it 03:05 did you not forget 03:05 or did you just not forget them generally 03:05 The NetHack side of it was I used to main a neutral human priestess often 03:05 lot of splats with her, generally named the priestess Bellona 03:05 k 03:06 geddit because war and--- (yanked off the stage by cane) 03:06 nope i dont get it but please dont explain the bad joke 03:06 :^) 03:06 it's just on-the-nose commentary about Bellona being a Greek war goddess 03:07 Anyway the char created from the resulting "synthesis" is a former priestess/huntress turned wrathful, eldritch, deity-slaying menace 03:08 styled somewhat visually after a char I used to main in a gacha I played 03:09 I'd share pics but I need to get going soon + I genuinely want to take a stab at redrawing her 03:09 but yeah there you go 03:09 actually been working on a story with her as the main antagonist 03:10 https://dpaste.com/7Q2JFJ2AJ#wrap uwuified dream 03:11 lmfaooooooooo 03:11 its so good hahahahahaa 03:11 i love this app 03:12 as a final bit of trivia about this NetHack char-dream entity fusion I image the transformation technically catapulted her into a sort of "true goddesshood" 03:13 in the sense of being able to exist across multiple planes of time and space at once, but "death" in that state would permakill her 03:13 that said good luck actually doing it 03:15 and that's about all for now! 03:15 with that I bid ye the good nights 03:15 CNT-FAI: GL with your own priestess 03:15 ty! 03:16 and to Rif and the rest of you: be well, sleep well if applicable, and try not to have bats make speedy contact with any of your limbs 03:16 o/ 03:16 gn and same 03:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3363 points, T:3407, killed by a wolf 03:18 got me some teleportitis 03:18 pog 03:19 hope u alreayd have control tho haha 03:20 nop lol 03:20 rawing the interdimensional rift 03:23 bold 03:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 916 points, T:3081, killed by an uninjured dwarf, while frozen by a potion 03:24 haha well bzflag time 03:25 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 03:25 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 03:26 whoops no one on i mean fifa 03:28 !rng go do the grownup things | go do the grownup things 03:28 aoei: go do the grownup things 03:28 !8ball should i close irc 03:28 aoei: My sources say no 03:28 !8ball should i close irc 03:28 aoei: Signs point to yes 03:29 cool 03:31 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 shield of reflection", on T:17296 03:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:17392 03:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:17393 03:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) genocided woodchucks, on T:17413 03:50 -!- moon-child has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 03:50 -!- moon-child has joined #hardfought 03:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:18307 03:57 -!- moon-child has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 03:57 -!- moon-child has joined #hardfought 03:59 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1611 points, T:2576, killed by an Aleax of Tyr 04:04 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:19050 04:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:19066 04:08 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:10 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 04:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:19562 04:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:19704 04:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:19707 04:16 :o microlance Pog 04:16 i will hafta see their time when they win 04:16 microlance: hurry up 04:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:19998 04:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:20396 04:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:21159 04:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:21208 04:26 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 04:30 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:30 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 04:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:21531 04:30 hurry up!! 04:30 win! 04:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed amulet of magical breathing", on T:21532 04:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:21656 04:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "wand of death", on T:21670 04:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:21671 04:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 751753 points, T:21690, ascended 04:34 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/nethack/dumplog/1616628999.nh.html 04:34 pog 04:34 almost 9 hours hto 04:34 if only i hadnt taken a break in the middle of gehennom 7 hours ago 04:34 you have to be a bit quicker than that microlance 04:35 well what about game-recorded realtime 04:35 * aoei watches scoreboard smashing f5 04:36 3:00:52 04:36 nicely done 04:37 next time do sub-3 :D 04:37 microlance: hey you beat cropper 04:38 nice one microlance 04:38 grats 04:38 shouldnt be too much of a problem. but i get kinda overwhelmed when i get to gehenom. but i used the orb for stairs and that made it alot easier then relying on the magic mapping 04:38 yea i tend to slow down post-castle 04:39 need to work on speedy late game 04:39 its hard 04:39 and i forget to unequip excal for asmo and baalzebub 04:39 oh yeah i do that a lot too 04:40 easy mistake to make 04:40 fighting baalzebub isnt that big of a problem but fighting asmo feels like a gigantic waste of time 04:40 funny 04:41 baalzebub is usually the one i forget 04:41 rarely do i actually fight asmo 04:41 baalzebubs floor is atleast straight forward and theres always a boulder close to the stairs 04:46 what's the boulder for? 04:47 i was gonna ask, do you boulder the stairs? 04:47 i tend to just bring them down a level 04:47 have 'em follow me 04:47 also how many wishes did you have 04:47 in that game 04:47 i swear i saw you wish for wand of death on astrall 04:47 with 0:1 wow 04:47 i found a wand of wishing in orcustown 04:47 i didnt need it really 04:48 oic 04:48 wel it helped a lil with the fun extra wishes at the end i guess haha 04:48 but it got me a shield of reflection, but i would have been fine without it 04:48 i thought you were a gonner 04:48 til you wished for the death wand 04:50 i think asmo is attacking me irl 04:50 im so cold D: 04:50 i think i could have meeled myself to victory anyways, the death wand just made it so i hadnt to melee my past pestilence and all the priests. 04:51 yea you mighta been fine 04:51 its hard to succesfully swim to the portal on the water plane in vanilla 04:52 i dont like to be anywhere near Pesty with a death wand 04:52 er 04:52 without rather 04:52 you need polyself to swim 04:53 water nymph gives you the swimming intrinsic without breaking armour/cloak 04:53 but you will have about 8 hp 04:53 it kinda works just jumping in and hoping for the best 04:53 oh wow i got smoked by the cpu 05:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9360 05:15 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:16 7 tetrises in a row is incrfedible for me i wish i were this good at sleeping 05:17 back to back* 05:22 my stoned ass was of course then defeated 05:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15589 05:25 good for Steph 05:25 f* lol 05:28 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 05:28 hey hey 05:29 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 05:30 gm 05:30 tfw it's afternoon here 05:31 timezones are weird 05:33 Evening here. On thursday. 05:34 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:35 yowza 05:37 thurday afternoon 05:38 spawning with turn undead! 05:39 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 160 points, T:508, killed by a jackal 05:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2803 points, T:1238, killed by Juiblex 05:40 Could've been such a good game. :( 05:40 oof 05:40 Rest In Palpable lament 05:41 you done with slex then arahael? :P 05:41 amateurhour: Two games was three more than enough! 05:42 didn't expect you to give up so easily :^) 05:42 amateurhour: It's truely *nuts*. 05:42 amateurhour: It was for teh best for me to stop playing that! 05:43 this only makes it even more tempting to try out once finals are through 05:44 though the way it's being described makes me think it'll very quickly get gilligan cut'd to me asking for mercy and swearing off of it 05:44 What's gilligan? 05:45 the gilligan cut is pretty much a common trope 05:45 X says 'I'll never do Y'. Cut to doing Y 05:45 or something similarly sudden and ironic 05:45 going from a the start of a dramatic fight, and cut to an immediate curbstomp 05:47 Septieme: My fall into Slex could basically have been described as: "I'll never play a sex game; Starts Slex." 05:47 also apparently I found a randomly generated +5 elven shield 05:47 That happens. 05:48 'sex game' 05:48 so it's basically an ASCII H-game with a mind boggling variety of heels? 05:48 Septieme: I could have reached Grand Master in high heels. 05:49 weaponized heels let's go 05:49 - 05:49 I wouldn't recommend it over some other variants 05:50 I'd say at least to try slashem first to get the 'base rules' for some stuff slex mechanics 05:50 but my real recommendation would be dnethack because it's epic 05:50 Oh, no. I stick to evil now. :D 05:51 I'm probably gonna at least try to ascend on vanilla before going for any of the variants 05:51 Septieme: Smart. 05:52 amateurhour: How many people have ascended dnethack, and what's speciall about it? 05:55 [hdf-us] [slshm] ucbvax (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 19401 points, T:4290, killed by a magic missile 05:55 60 unique players according to the scoreboard 05:55 that said, so far this game's going pretty damn good so far, to my surprise 05:56 so many cool things in dnh, can't really summarise 05:56 * arahael insists that amateurhour tries. 05:56 take for an example then an optional part of the game, the neutral quest 05:56 it's long, somewhat dangerous, has cthulhu's sanctum at the end 05:57 Nice. 05:57 cthulhu is scary as heck 05:57 I need some scrolls of ID and some reliable way to bless stuff 05:57 you're trying to sneak past them if possible to get the artifact reward 05:57 fun 05:57 I have a bunch of gems I need to sell to get that sweet, sweet protection 05:57 amateurhour: One thing, out of many, that I didnt like about slex was that it was just so... Random. Various quest levels and all that... Which has absolutely nothing except eg, a pixaxe and a wand or two. 05:58 oh shit first wish 05:58 since my god hates me and ive been fainting for a second should i just order the densest food item 05:59 that's what, lembas? 05:59 get a blessed horn of plenty 05:59 actually the wiki seems to say horn of plenty yeah 05:59 do i need more modifiers 05:59 blessed is always good, and maybe fixed? idk 05:59 CNT-FAI: *don't* specify the charges. 05:59 k thx 06:00 CNT-FAI: Generally, the charges becomes the maximum you'll get. 06:00 otherwise you end up like the magic marker guy 06:00 (And you'll be unlikely to get those charges) 06:00 should i say +1 or +2 or something 06:00 who wished for what, 6 empty markers? 06:00 don't 06:00 at all 06:00 got it ty 06:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed horn of plenty", on T:2228 06:01 <@Computer Man> Yall are getting it wrong 06:02 what do you mean arahael? 06:02 <@Computer Man> Always wish for a "blessed fixed slightly burnt half eaten historical foo" 06:03 amateurhour: Eg, don't wish for a (0:99) HoP. 06:03 Computer Man: That'd make an awesome c-trice :) 06:05 sorry arahael I meant for the 'various quest levels' 06:06 saido;ghasiehfoasiehfoaegi 06:07 i guess enter throws away the tin of brown omlds 06:08 amateurhour: Ah, well, one quest level... Had two wands of stunning, and a cursed pickaxe. That was... It... 06:08 you got to the quest? 06:08 oh you're talking about the devnull challenge floors 06:09 they're not meant to have loot they're just meant to be a reference to the devnull tournament challenges 06:09 they can be any type of floor though so sometimes you get a minetown clone in there etc 06:10 Curious. 06:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 22114 points, T:8042, killed by a wounded leocrotta 06:14 I seriously need to find a second altar 06:15 Why second? 06:15 first one in minetown is chaotic 06:15 can't water pray on that 06:16 can the altar before nom be converted? 06:17 nom? 06:17 gehennom 06:17 the one in the valley can't be converted I think, counts as gehennom 06:17 iirc 06:17 oof 06:17 meanwhile I'm in a little quandary 06:17 But there's often (always?) one in the quest. 06:17 you might find this handy Septieme 06:17 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Aligned_priest#Trapping_an_aligned_priest_with_boulders 06:17 +5 elven shield? or longsword two weapon? 06:18 aight 06:18 are you a valk? I'd twoweapon with an offhand silver saber 06:18 * arahael needs a pet. 06:18 don't have a silver sabre yet 06:18 and so far am using excal 06:19 might find one in ludios or the castle 06:19 Isn't excal supposed to be an excelent weapon? 06:19 it is yes 06:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4338 06:20 yeah, it's pretty great, you don't really need grayswandir 06:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Adept, on T:4468 06:26 oh shit carrying and free action 06:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 6271 points, T:2916, killed by a giant cockroach 06:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1478 06:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 797 points, T:1492, killed by a heavily wounded giant spider 06:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1490 points, T:3105, killed by an uninjured jackal 07:00 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Wiz Dop Mal Law), 1715 points, T:704, quit 07:06 how much AC is generally good enough for the valk quest? 07:06 I would say AC > 0 is a nope 07:07 how much below 0 depends on ur HP 07:07 got like 123 HP, and approaching -15 as of yet 07:07 sounds comfy enough to me 07:07 mind you 07:07 can hit -20 if I wear the shield over dual wielding 07:07 have you been to the castle? 07:07 i am reckless and experience and idk how experienced you are 07:07 experienced* 07:08 if you're worried maybe do castle first and get a marker for loads of enchant armour 07:08 let's just say this is the second time I'm reaching the quest level *ever* 07:08 yeah i would say castle first 07:08 not yet the castle no 07:09 nevertheless 07:09 suggested next destination: the castle 07:09 leave quest for later 07:09 altho tbh if you can get xl14 now somehow 07:09 the quest will give you a buncha loot and stuff, and the OoF will make beating castle easier 07:10 Lord Surtur ain't all that 07:10 tbf, I don't think I can do the quest rn anyways 07:10 XL11 07:10 ah 07:10 yeah 07:10 just keep goin deeper 07:10 gonna go and bribe a priest with dead l gold 07:10 lol nice 07:10 that helps ur AC too, good shout 07:11 and that's before all the gems I got ID'd by a blessed ?oID 07:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:3402 07:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3474 07:11 if you can make a first asc out of this game 07:11 go for AC between -30 and -20 07:11 I will be very happy if that happens 07:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Initiate, on T:4001 07:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 2889 points, T:10118, died of starvation, while fainted 07:12 I mean I can probably get a lot more if I actually get round to upgrading my armor 07:12 and the protection 07:13 <@Joanna> Yea i mean you could even go down to -40 if you really wanted 07:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) murdered Greebo, his faithful kitten, on T:1545 07:13 <@Joanna> But anything below -20 is honestly probably fine, even for first asc 07:14 <@Joanna> Just make sure you use conflict 07:14 <@Joanna> Maybe nurse dance at castle for bit extra hp 07:14 will do ye 07:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4373 07:14 I mean I've already managed to pump up my level early on with incubus courting 07:15 choppy-ass internet is being especially annoying today 07:15 <@Joanna> Hence switching to discord lol 07:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 465 points, T:2033, killed by an uninjured werejackal, while fainted from lack of food 07:16 <@Joanna> Gl with the game Septieme 07:16 thank ye 07:18 gonna probably deal with reality for a while first though 07:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:4752 07:20 -!- Septieme has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 129 points, T:1717, killed by an uninjured killer bee 07:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a tengu corpse, on T:5831 07:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 12070 points, T:5887, killed by an uninjured vampire lord in bat form, while reading a book 07:30 !tell Umbire no need to post ideas to multiple channels. if I'm in the channel I'll see it 07:30 Umbire shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, aosdict. 07:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3362 07:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Pri Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3711 07:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Pri Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3746 07:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3792 07:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:4196 07:37 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Pri Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4612 07:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Pri Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Athena, on T:4926 07:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Pri Hum Mal Law), 3526 points, T:6215, killed by an uninjured soldier ant, while fainted from lack of food 07:48 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Wiz Dop Mal Law), 2945 points, T:2080, killed by an orcish short sword 08:00 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Sam Hum Mal Law), 365703 points, T:42494, killed by the Executioner 08:12 oof 08:12 !lastgame Singhend 08:12 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Singhend/unnethack/dumplog/1612952804.un.txt.html | [hdf-eu] (sorry, no dump exists for un:Singhend) 08:19 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:20 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #hardfought 08:21 no dumplog? 08:22 there's no delay on hdf dumplogs right? 08:22 scoreboard can't link to it either 08:24 ttyrecs are there https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Singhend/unnethack/ttyrec/ 08:25 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Singhend/unnethack/dumplog/ 08:25 last dumplog from 2021-03-17 08:25 [hdf-eu] [un] bhaak (Val Hum Fem Neu), 586 points, T:1027, killed by a newt 08:26 no dumplog for that game either 08:26 K2: ZOMG unnethack dumplogs are borken! 08:27 hmm 08:28 am finally back in xNH, observer input always welcome 08:32 when did you last update unnethack K2? 08:33 !lastgame Draco 08:33 dumplogs are enabled in sys/autoconf/configure.ac 08:33 amateurhour: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Draco/slex/dumplog/1616670039.slex.txt 08:33 a few hours ago 08:33 and there was another update a few days prior where I had to make spotless and re-run configure 08:33 -!- Xjs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:34 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 08:34 !lastgame unnethack 08:34 amateurhour: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for un:post163) | [hdf-eu] (sorry, no dump exists for un:bhaak) | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/k/k2/unnethack/dumplog/1554813580.un.txt.html 08:34 doesn't look like just one server 08:34 what's the 'user of stand' role exactly? 08:35 no it'd be all three 08:35 prob stems from the update from a few days ago 08:35 could you clarify your question Septieme? 08:35 you mean the slex role right? 08:35 yes 08:36 the wiki doesn't really mention much about them 08:36 other than they're slow and only start with tooled horn 08:36 that's kinda why I'm asking 08:37 it's probably a reference to something whack 08:37 I'll try check the git repo in lunch break 08:37 something bizarre 08:38 issue would have occured from about 4 days ago 08:38 oh it's from JNethack 08:38 japanese nethack variant 08:38 guessing it's a reference to jojos bizarre adventure then 08:41 is user of stand in slex or something else 08:41 it's in slex, it's from 'Silly JNethack' a variant of 'JNethack' 08:41 -!- Septieme has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:41 that's what a cursory glance tells me 08:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 201 points, T:1496, killed by a moderately wounded succubus called Zorya 08:42 sounds like an anime reference 08:42 silly jnethack sounds like slash'em for jnethack 08:42 the one with stand users 08:42 [hdf-eu] [un] omghax (Val Hum Fem Law), 54 points, T:95, killed by a jackal 08:42 yes jojo 08:42 ah 08:45 ran configure again... 08:45 checking whether to enable dump... yes 08:45 checking whether to enable dump file... no 08:45 <@Computer Man> lmao 08:45 how tf did that snreak in there 08:45 <@Computer Man> good ol' slex 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 324 points, T:1029, killed by a heavily wounded giant bat 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 7 points, T:449, killed by an uninjured newt 08:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Arc Vam Fem Neu), 9350 points, T:2471, killed by a leocrotta, while praying 08:54 YASI: If your name is Maud and you tell a vault guard your name is Maud, he forgets what he's doing and leaves. 08:55 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Wiz Dop Mal Law), 1516 points, T:1652, killed by a monster (skulk blade) 08:56 !who 08:56 K2: [hdf-us] Karnac [nh370] post163 [nh370] samiam [nh370] Stef75 [nh370] CntFai [xnh] | [hdf-eu] Cohen [nh370] bhaak [un] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:56 <{Demo}3> k2 is taking a dump on hdf? 08:56 <{Demo}3> can we watch from the watch menu? 08:56 [hdf-eu] [un] bhaak (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 127 points, T:264, killed by a newt 08:57 [hdf-eu] [un] omghax (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:44, killed by a fox 08:57 !lastgame omghax 08:57 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/slex/dumplog/1615387660.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/unnethack/dumplog/1616676992.un.txt.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/slex/dumplog/1615395545.slex.txt 08:57 eu is good 08:57 <{Demo}3> oh my we can.. an @ just stepped onto a # and #sit 08:57 need to recompile for au and us 08:58 #sit 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 980 points, T:961, killed by a bolt of lightning 08:58 #teabag 08:58 thanks Habib for the wonderful memories 08:58 oh, it didn't generate the dump files with the expected name? 08:59 I updated autoconf, has that anything to do with that? 08:59 didnt generate them at all 08:59 enable-dump-file somehow defaulted to no 08:59 i had to add --enable-dump-file switch to make configure line 09:00 this is recent, as in 4-5 days ago 09:00 so not too bad 09:00 I think to make up for it you'll both have to check ttyrecs of all unnethack games and manually create dumplogs by hand for all those games 09:00 all three servers updated, unnethack should produce dumplogs all the way around now 09:01 <{Demo}3> it is funny to me to think that you could actually have an ingame moment where you are on a toilet taking a shit an a mail daemon shows up with mail for you in slashem 09:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 172 points, T:416, killed by an uninjured hobbit 09:01 <{Demo}3> i'm imagining that being the start of an epic quest 09:02 it's how it worked before everyone started taking their phone with them to the toilet 09:02 greaet example of feature creep 09:03 <{Demo}3> if i ever write a slashem fanfic, that is how it is going to start 09:03 <{Demo}3> the quest for the porcelain throne of yendor 09:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 249 points, T:314, killed by an uninjured gnome 09:04 Demo you should use wizmode to make that a playable variant 09:05 <{Demo}3> :( 09:05 <{Demo}3> im still gonna dewizardmode that save... eventually 09:08 gonna get around to porting the save at some point 09:09 <{Demo}3> how many places in the save are there 48 adjacent bytes that are either a 0 or 1 do you think? 09:10 <{Demo}3> (the first part of the flags struct as written to the save) 09:10 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 09:11 <{Demo}3> ah shit how many of those are actually defined on this build 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 632 points, T:1040, killed by an uninjured killer bee 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2453 09:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51475 09:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4068 09:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:51478 09:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:51487 09:17 can't even see three things in a row that are precisely 0000 or 0001 09:18 <{Demo}3> which is strange 09:18 oh bytes 09:18 <{Demo}3> yes 09:18 two digits not 4 09:18 what is this, amateur hour? 09:18 <{Demo}3> but glancing at it looking for a lot of bytes like that in a row i still saw nothing 09:19 <{Demo}3> although, it is quite large 09:19 <{Demo}3> and hopefully there is only one section like that 09:19 here's what I was using 09:19 > xxd -ps -c 12 darkdays.NetHack | tr -d '\n' | grep -o '\(0[01]\)\{10\}' 09:19 well, am using now 09:19 I'm sure there's a better way to do it 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 418 points, T:803, killed by an uninjured dwarf lord 09:20 changing the 10 to 20 shows only one place 09:20 no idea how long flags is in that version though 09:21 so you might be fine to find it and edit that one flag? 09:21 <{Demo}3> finding no results with that 09:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4419 09:22 <{Demo}3> a1e886ad95bd7bcaf8b8278cb40b97634da65d011620c1b86f50db13344f0438 is the sha256 checksum of the save im looking at 09:23 a1e886ad95bd7bcaf8b8278cb40b97634da65d011620c1b86f50db13344f0438 for me 09:23 looks the same 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:482 09:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4501 09:24 <{Demo}3> what offset are you getting? 09:24 <{Demo}3> when you run with 20? 09:25 with --byte-offset and -o 09:25 40424:0101010100000101010101010100000101010101 09:26 <{Demo}3> oh that's decimal lol 09:26 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Dop Mal Cha), 1263 points, T:2290, killed by a little dog, while helpless 09:27 did I do a dumb 09:27 <{Demo}3> no i was looking at 0x40424 and was like uhhhh 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 610 points, T:1305, killed by a gnome lord 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a water elemental, while vomiting 09:28 !lastgame dbanethacker 09:28 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/evilhack/dumplog/1616678856.evil.html 09:31 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 45 points, T:28, killed by a water moccasin 09:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 104 points, T:492, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted water demon 09:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 103 points, T:380, killed by a sewer rat 09:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Hlf Fem Non), 137 points, T:1124, killed by a jackal 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1814 09:40 <{Demo}3> damn i tried all those and no cigar 09:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:5677 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:4101 09:43 <{Demo}3> flags.confirm is safe pet i think 09:44 Demo there's a patch bhaak shared for xml save files 09:44 https://github.com/bhaak/nethack-save-xml 09:44 are you trying to interpret the binary save file {Demo}3 ? 09:44 stenno: Message from bhaak at 2021-03-24 20:15 EDT: https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/commit/ba4f0b8f1 now what? 09:44 might be possible to load save and save as xml, and just edit it 09:45 bhaak: :D 09:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 4395 points, T:5773, killed by an uninjured wolf 09:45 nice nice 09:45 if you do that please gib copy of xml thank 09:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 480 points, T:1418, zombified by a gnome zombie 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2530 points, T:2360, killed by an uninjured killer bee, while taking off clothes 09:50 <{Demo}3> alright i double checked all the bytes 09:50 <{Demo}3> none of them changed safe pet either 09:50 <{Demo}3> flags is elsewhere 09:51 <{Demo}3> amateurhour: I cannot get the save to load in a freshly compiled version of nh343 on windows 09:51 ah 09:53 <{Demo}3> i have another approach idea that is a bit more extreme but I should stop doing this now and get some work done 09:54 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 445 points, T:791, killed by an uninjured giant rat 09:57 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:57 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:05 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1248 points, T:2892, killed by a straw golem, while praying 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1096 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1571 points, T:1116, killed by a wounded small mimic 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:11 10:08 <{Demo}3> i did it 10:08 <{Demo}3> thought of a way easier way to do it 10:09 -!- Roho has joined #hardfought 10:11 <{Demo}3> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/824646666178265129/User-Cadderly_-_DeWizModed.NetHack-save 10:11 <{Demo}3> for anyone that wants the dewizardmoded save 10:12 !lastgame Singhend 10:12 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Singhend/unnethack/dumplog/1612952804.un.txt.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Singhend/unnethack/dumplog/1616679122.un.txt.html 10:12 yay working 10:12 <{Demo}3> alright i sent the dewizardmoded save to mbm 10:12 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 444 points, T:1213, killed by a rabid rat 10:14 <{Demo}3> also if anyone else wants to make a variant using wizard mode in nh343, i can dewizardmode their save for them 10:15 ... 10:18 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 987 points, T:1886, killed by a pony 10:24 thank u demo, very cool 10:24 how did you end up doing it? 10:27 <{Demo}3> found flags.confirm 10:27 <{Demo}3> by toggling it a bunch 10:27 <{Demo}3> and seeing where memory changed 10:27 <{Demo}3> and then changed the byte next to it to 0 and saved 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:25301 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:25301 10:33 isn't it a bit, not a byte? 10:33 <{Demo}3> its a byte 10:33 <{Demo}3> but only one bit of the byte matters 10:35 <{Demo}3> if you wanted to have multiple booleans in one byte you'd need a bitfield 10:41 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dra Xra Mal Law), 9814 points, T:1346, killed by a monster (reticulan) 10:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:51728 10:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:51732 10:45 dark days: priest quest for hardfought when 10:46 k2 should run it as a special event 10:47 limited time offer, one week only 10:47 or throw it in with zapm 10:48 I'd play it 10:48 "Sometimes I wish you were a liar, Craig" 10:48 <{Demo}3> i wanna play it 10:48 <{Demo}3> and now i can that it is dewizmoded 10:48 <{Demo}3> but i dont have time rn cause i spent it all dewizmoding 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] joes (Cav Hum Fem Law), 590 points, T:1306, killed by a magic missile 10:49 <{Demo}3> but its ok cause im eating a blt with cream cheese instead of mayo 10:50 that sounds nice 10:51 <{Demo}3> its almost 11 and ive barely got anything done cause ive got distracted crafting up sandwiches and fucking with that dumb save 10:51 working from home? 10:52 <{Demo}3> yeah, still covid world in the city or something idk 10:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:55179 10:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1495 10:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:1569 11:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Heroine, on T:39576 11:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2840 11:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 8455 points, T:2867, killed by a heavily wounded bone devil 11:10 rip 11:12 oh shit whomst to genocide 11:13 if blessed geno, L 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:6454 11:17 nah not blessed][] 11:18 also it asks for the name of a monster 11:18 if it's in early game I'd be tempted to geno energy vortex, or one of the mind flayers 11:18 with blessed geno of L as soon as I could 11:18 idk if other people would geno energy vortex though 11:19 ty 11:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (energy vortices), on T:3445 11:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1606 11:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 8840 points, T:1727, killed by a heavily wounded orc-captain 11:25 some scoundrel is logged in as Nekkif 11:25 Nekkid* 11:25 what a card 11:29 https://twitter.com/KrisReports/status/1375058712012918784 11:30 <{Demo}3> finally real news 11:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] nekkid (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a flaming sphere, on T:10690 11:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2421 11:36 https://twitter.com/critical_dril/status/458246415274496000 11:37 https://0x0.st/-qwE.mp4 lol 11:37 <{Demo}3> qt what happened there 11:38 if you are in a text-enter prompt like wishing, naming something, etc, and press ^C then decline to quit, you can still enter text but on top of the map instead of in the prompt 11:39 CNT-FAI: is nekkid playing nudist perhaps 11:39 perhaps!! no perm inv 11:40 monk is a decent role for nudist because you had less reason to use body armor anyway 11:40 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 11:40 yeah am back 11:40 very possible with 10 AC 11:40 oh 10 AC after 10000 turns pretty much guarantees a nudist attempt 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8593 11:42 Yowzas 11:42 unrelated https://twitter.com/dril/status/269256816146403329 11:42 well, slightly tangential 11:43 how's it better than others aosdict? 11:43 opportunity cost of nudism is lower? 11:43 without a robe spellcasting kinda blows, and no decent range weapons 11:43 amateurhour: I didn't say it's *good*, just that it's slightly easier than nudist with other roles that can freely use armor 11:44 also I didn't say it's the best role for nudist. just decent 11:44 https://twitter.com/dril/status/917488695393079296 11:46 quick question 11:46 can you make buying protection faster by just throwing 800*XL gold at the priest at once? 11:47 or ya gotta do it once at a time? 11:47 if you give them too much gold it bumps you up to a different tier of "reward" 11:47 https://twitter.com/critical_dril/status/454720313801342976 11:47 and you don't get protection, you get something else instead (maybe a warm feeling of charity) 11:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 6302 points, T:4414, killed by a wounded ice vortex, while frozen by a potion 11:49 aight, so just throw two separate protection payments then right? 11:49 well don't actually throw it, #chat to the priest and then type in the amount 11:49 F 11:49 unless throwing works and I just don't know about it 11:49 of course not actual throwing 11:49 iirc throwing gold at the priest angers them 11:49 https://twitter.com/critical_dril/status/454833686098485248 11:50 yeah just #chat twice in a row 11:50 did exactly that 11:50 ah right aosdict I misinterpreted it, sorry :P 11:51 no i think i meant this one https://twitter.com/critical_dril/status/457153124898459648 11:53 do luckstones stack? 11:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] nekkid (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11594 11:53 as in will carrying two help more than one? 11:53 no 11:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 762 points, T:1898, killed by a wounded rothe 11:54 aight, will eave this one in the mines then 11:54 it can help if you make sure they don't stack (as in they are assigned different inventory letters) because that way if one gets cursed/unblessed you still haev a backup 11:54 usually I carry an extra one in a sack if I find one 11:54 but it's not 2x as effective to have two or anything like that 11:55 i wish. they're pretty common 11:55 https://twitter.com/dril/status/381528248980500480?s=20 11:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] nekkid (Mon Hum Mal Law), 16650 points, T:11633, killed by a moderately wounded piranha 11:56 rip to Nekkid & Afraid 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 784 points, T:1533, killed by a wounded homunculus, while sleeping 11:58 rip 11:58 every girl child's greatest fear 11:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 638 points, T:2049, killed by a slightly wounded gnome 12:01 -!- pots163 has joined #hardfought 12:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:01 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 12:01 -!- pots163 has quit [Client Quit] 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:78 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:10220 12:13 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Gia Fem Law), 522 points, T:696, killed by a gnome lord 12:16 <@iatrocrat> any weird strats for vanilla i should try 12:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Val Hum Fem Law), 519 points, T:962, killed by a wounded gnome lady 12:17 <@deathsushi> oatmeal: Nursedancing? 12:17 <@deathsushi> Not sure what you're really looking for 12:18 <@iatrocrat> wraith farming 12:18 <@iatrocrat> with book of dead might be fun 12:18 <@iatrocrat> to get rediculous amounts of health 12:21 <@luxidream> dumb strats or weird strats 12:21 <{Demo}3> 3.6+ prevents infinite throne looting, right? 12:21 <@deathsushi> Yes 12:22 <@deathsushi> If you were really looking for a weird thing to do, you could try to fill up the entire astral plane with acid blobs and have the riders die 12:22 <@deathsushi> Seems like a tedious task, but I'd give you a leaping high five if you achieved it 12:22 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Mal Law), 427 points, T:615, killed by a giant leech 12:22 <@iatrocrat> im bored so sure 12:22 <@deathsushi> !lastgame oatmeal 12:22 @deathsushi: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oatmeal/nh13d/dumplog/1571957133.nh13d.txt 12:23 <@iatrocrat> will see when gotten there though.. 12:24 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 12:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 4455 points, T:5479, killed by a wolf 12:29 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 12:29 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 12:29 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 12:33 if you're bored and want weird, play slex. problem solved 12:33 <@iatrocrat> great advice 12:33 if you find any cheesy strategies in slex they get patched out :P 12:33 thanks. i'm here all week. try the protosteak 12:34 <{Demo}3> i want more food lol 12:34 Demo ur a grown ass man go get some food if u want it 12:34 <{Demo}3> also my cheek is really fucked up cause i bit the shit out of it on saturday and now it hurts to exist and to sleep on that side of my face 12:34 <@iatrocrat> at that point id just play another game tbh 12:34 msg amateurhour please please PLEASE don't ell amy about the nasty trap exploit 12:34 <@iatrocrat> ivan 12:34 dammit 12:34 <@iatrocrat> lol 12:35 gotta suggest not self-owning urself in the cheek 12:35 <{Demo}3> idk why it happened 12:35 https://twitter.com/dril/status/520734184969867264 12:35 link unrelated 12:35 <{Demo}3> i was eating 2k calories in one sitting at the park with some friends and i just went into munch mode 12:35 <@riker> god bless dril 12:35 <{Demo}3> and couldnt stop eating, even when i was eating my body 12:36 <@riker> thats a really horrifying dream (?) 12:37 https://twitter.com/dril/status/536889288773099522 12:37 <{Demo}3> took a few days for shit to start actually hurting 12:37 if your shit hurts i suggest you might have a diffetent problem 12:38 <{Demo}3> i did a good cleansing shit today actually so im fine in that regard 12:38 tmi 12:38 i can't believe i'll be the one to say this, but some information does not have to be shared 12:38 <{Demo}3> well then, maybe dont prompt me about my shit 12:38 i didnt???? 12:38 <{Demo}3> not u 12:38 good to know Demo, we need to know you're healthy cuz we need u working on ndnh2 safely 12:39 <@iatrocrat> https://media1.tenor.com/images/901ab5757524ba405054daf1a2a40efa/tenor.gif?itemid=9592821 12:39 <{Demo}3> hey maybe when i cant sleep cause i cant lay on my phase i can stay up and write ndnh2 12:39 https://twitter.com/dril/status/667766578428162048 12:40 <@iatrocrat> for real guys 12:40 <@iatrocrat> wtf 12:41 IF YOU CAN't HANDLE THE SHIT THEN STAY OUT OF THE BATHROOM 12:41 <{Demo}3> honestly i think i've become more powerful lately in that regard 12:41 <{Demo}3> eaten some pretty gnar things and not suffered as much as i'd expect to 12:41 tell us more about your shit, demo 12:42 * hothraxxa stirs up shit 12:42 <{Demo}3> hey, i'm intentionally avoiding detail 12:42 <@iatrocrat> you ain't shit until you eat deep fried butter on a stick tbh 12:42 <{Demo}3> yeah i dont wanna eat that ever though 12:42 <{Demo}3> makes me sick to think about 12:42 <{Demo}3> which is pretty surprising to me 12:42 <@iatrocrat> i ate in once at a fair 12:43 <{Demo}3> i hope fairs come back this summer 12:43 i dunno. a few ghost peppers and scotch bonnets will make your asshole pucker up and whistle flaming rings of fire 12:43 <@iatrocrat> because my friend group challenged me to and the girl wanted to be impressed 12:43 <@iatrocrat> ended up vomiting everywhere in a few hours 12:43 <@iatrocrat> not fun 12:43 <@iatrocrat> lol 12:45 <@iatrocrat> why do i always kill this channel 12:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 Silver dragon scale mail", on T:78 12:45 <{Demo}3> one time my friend deepfried a big pack of oreos before we went on a trip and between like 4 of us we ate them all over a couple days 12:46 just learned that i am op in ##javascript for about 10 weeks now and nobody told me 12:46 or maybe they did and i missed it 12:46 gz 12:46 <{Demo}3> nice 12:46 i guess? 12:46 <{Demo}3> Math.log(x,y), is that a valid way to take log base y of x? 12:47 no 12:47 Math.log is ln 12:47 gotta do the division thing for base log 12:47 <{Demo}3> wtf 12:47 Math.log(x)/Math.log(base) 12:47 ^ 12:47 <{Demo}3> why not name it Math.ln 12:48 <@iatrocrat> man good food is a real privelidge 12:48 there is log10 and log2 12:48 <@iatrocrat> you forget about it until its no longer there 12:48 <{Demo}3> yeah i use log10 when i need log10 12:48 dunno in which case you'd need something else 12:48 <{Demo}3> true 12:48 <{Demo}3> i dont actually do science or math work 12:48 <{Demo}3> so i don't really need anything but those 3 12:48 <{Demo}3> and rarely 12:49 if you want to do science math you probably shouldnt use javascript in the first place 12:50 yeah instead of using something horrible like javascript you'd use snippets of C code that's been passed down through 30 years of phd students like scripture 12:50 * amateurhour shudders 12:50 you'd use Fortran code 12:50 <{Demo}3> i would use python and not like matlab or R 12:51 <@iatrocrat> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nlZG2CNpGQs 12:51 started a phd in computational physics and it was p much all C for me, with some libraries written in fortran of course (all the BLAS stuff) 12:51 -!- Septieme has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:51 <@riker> do people still use fortran nowadays? 12:52 yep 12:52 yeah 12:52 a lot of people seemed to be going to Julia, however 12:52 <{Demo}3> what scares me are the C++ $LATEST people 12:52 <@riker> wack 12:52 <{Demo}3> that write shit that is so modern C++y that you're just like "what even happened to this language" 12:53 <@riker> i have a friend who ended up getting involved in julia, seems like an interesting language 12:53 <@riker> jumped ship from being a data scientist iirc? 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Dresser, on T:12078 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12131 13:00 hands up everyone who has ever written fortran 13:01 um 13:01 not me 13:01 i'm betting just me but i's still waiting 13:01 lol 13:01 fortran is p oldskool 13:02 i think im way too youjng 13:02 <{Demo}3> sorry but i havent even written C, definitely no fortran 13:02 i do vaguely recall coming across some scientific software a colleague has/had used 13:02 i was on the design committee for dirt 13:02 that was still written in FORTRAN 13:02 or still is today 13:02 but i don't recall what 13:02 Demo you make me sick 13:02 how can u not do C 13:02 a large portion of the codebase at my work is still in fortran 13:02 know C 13:03 Demo: C++ tho at least right? 13:03 not scientific use, just business logic from the 90s that no one ever got around to updating 13:03 i know they're quite different now but 13:03 aosdict: how old is it? 13:03 ah from the 90s 13:03 i started coding in the naughties 13:03 Flash actionscript, C, Perl, tiny bit of PHP 13:03 look in the 70s we knew not to use fortran for business purposes. did that knowledge get lost by the 90s? 13:03 oh and asm 13:03 i started with pascal in the 90s 13:03 AT&T style x86 ASM 13:04 and logo if that counts 13:04 was my jam 13:04 <{Demo}3> i hate at&t style 13:04 i touched Java ever so briefly 13:04 i got into mips asm for a bit 13:04 for fun 13:04 don't think i ever coded something in it 13:04 yeah but that's because you suck Demo 13:04 <{Demo}3> anyone wanna see my armv8 conways game of life? 13:04 AT&T ftw 13:04 but i understand how it works 13:04 <@riker> aoei demo's definitely messing with you at least somewhat 13:04 <{Demo}3> it's really bad tbh 13:04 <@riker> considering he has a nethack variant 13:04 <{Demo}3> but it works 13:04 oh LOL 13:04 riker i dint even think of that 13:04 XD 13:04 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:05 i know he codes variants a lil 13:05 just didn't make the connection 13:05 <@riker> demo aren't you a js dude? 13:05 <{Demo}3> heres my armv8 conways game of life implementation that may or may not entirely work but the stuff i tested it with worked enough https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/824690498010349598/cgol.s 13:05 i think he does a fair bit of js 13:06 Hi. 13:06 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 13:06 Umbire: Message from aosdict at 2021-03-25 07:30 EDT: no need to post ideas to multiple channels. if I'm in the channel I'll see it 13:06 now i want to play corewars again 13:06 redcode 13:06 aosdict: Oh, I figured since you weren't in ##nethack-discord 13:06 Noted. 13:06 i know the dude who wrote the original game of life 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:12529 13:07 stenno: ohhhh 13:07 i rmemeber that shit lol 13:07 that was fun 13:07 <{Demo}3> he's dead now rip 13:07 nah, Richard Parker wreote the code 13:07 <{Demo}3> oh 13:07 was just Conway's idea 13:07 <{Demo}3> is he dead? 13:07 wha? I've been in ##nethack-discord since the last time I restarted my irc client months ago 13:07 he's not dead i dont think 13:07 Anyway, someone remind me what Elvenkings are called in 3.7/xNetHack 13:07 i mean he could be 13:07 i havent seen him in a few years 13:07 but he's probably still around 13:07 elvenking/elvenqueen/elven monarch 13:07 i ohpe 13:07 <{Demo}3> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_A._Parker this guy? 13:07 <@riker> wikipedia says on 13:07 <@riker> &no 13:07 <{Demo}3> he looks INCREDIBLY british 13:07 <@riker> *no 13:07 yeah him 13:07 aosdict: See, I galaxy-brained and tend to not look at the ops part of the list first. 13:07 <@riker> lmao he kinda does demo 13:07 i used to play go and drink in pubs with him 13:07 back home 13:08 he is british lol 13:08 <{Demo}3> that sounds awesome 13:08 he is a fun dude 13:08 (and in fairness I woke up less than an hour ago.) 13:08 to chat to and play go with and drink in pubs with 13:08 <@riker> time zones r dangerous 13:08 lol 13:08 Thank you aosdict, at any rate. 13:08 vaguely remember him sayin he never got his phd (tho hes big in mathematics and lectures at cambridge uni) 13:08 idk why I have ops in ##nethack-discord 13:08 bc finishing the idea was too boring 13:08 so he let someone else do it and get a phd for it 13:08 ΔΊol 13:09 idk why i dont have ops in #hardfought 13:09 -!- Roho has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 13:09 amateurhour: same 13:09 same 13:09 stenno: just to be clear i think amateurhour should have ops 13:09 not u or me 13:09 we don't like you people 13:09 i am the admin of nhqdb 13:09 i'd be a terrible op lmao 13:09 that makes me an important member of the community 13:09 <{Demo}3> so is everyone that steals admin creds 13:09 i'll just get wound up by trolls and kickban them 13:09 <@riker> oh really stenno? i always figured it was one of the nao people 13:09 <@riker> neat 13:10 <@riker> (I didn't think you were one of the nao admins?) 13:10 at some point i was #nethack admin 13:10 stenno: no wai 13:10 i dont believe u 13:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) destroyed CntFai's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1215 13:10 misha has ops there now tho 13:10 but i am not and was never admin for NAO 13:10 i discovered at some opint 13:10 <@riker> neato stenno 13:10 misha has ops there for like a decade now or so 13:10 they added scoreboard and stuff to topic for me lol 13:11 stenno: um yea well i hadnt been arouhnd for a while 13:11 so i didnt realise this unti recently 13:11 i got ops at around the same time 13:11 ah right 13:11 at some point i was a moderator for dudley comics lmao 13:11 but i wasn't made for it and some stupid stuff happened 13:11 brief period 13:11 circa 2011 i wanna say 13:11 some of the submissions were so bad 13:11 actually no 13:11 they're all p bad 13:11 lowkey agree 13:12 XD 13:12 but i don't wanna trash talk those people 13:12 they are creative 13:12 yeah 13:12 no harm meant 13:12 some are actually funny too 13:12 i was just being a touch mean 13:12 rip to CntFai's ghost, "Destroyed by the Healer's Touch" 13:14 <@riker> took like 6 dudley comics before i found a holocaust joke, nice 13:14 oh jeez 13:14 who's moderating that now 13:14 not sure i'd have let that one in 13:14 D: 13:14 <@riker> that was apparently dec 2018? 13:14 uhu 13:14 well i was mod in 2011 or so 13:14 only briefly 13:15 i have no idea who's been doing it since 13:15 !8ball should i do more cleaning/dishes? 13:15 aoei: You may rely on it 13:15 uhhhh 13:15 i did loads already :c 13:16 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:54323 13:16 otoh the flat is a state 13:16 so i prob should 13:17 sometimes i think there's some other, better word for genocide that might not lead gamers to make holocaust jokes and we just have to figure out what it is by like. etymological triangulation 13:17 not a bad idea tbh 13:18 the part where i'm suspicious of myself is why haven't i figured out the word, when english has such flexible derivational rules 13:18 the scroll of genocide is a teensy bit loaded in that way 13:18 just a wee bit 13:18 -!- ThaEwat has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- dtype has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- Pinkbeast has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- misha has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- Neko-chan has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- NA0rsa has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- Andrio has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- ryzokuken has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- war has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 -!- |aaron has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 i can't think of anything that isn't just like, a fitting description of 80% of actions in whichever game 13:18 -!- Anerag has quit [*.net *.split] 13:18 <{Demo}3> things dont bother me ever 13:19 -!- NA0rsa_ has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- war has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- Andrio- has joined #hardfought 13:19 do you want a lollipop 13:19 -!- werekitten has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- Anerag has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 13:19 for being a brave boy 13:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v bhaak] by ChanServ 13:19 <{Demo}3> no, sugar bothers me 13:19 -!- Neko-chan has joined #hardfought 13:19 <{Demo}3> well, high fructose corn syrup 13:19 -!- ryzokuken has joined #hardfought 13:19 this one is the Big Stevia 13:19 <{Demo}3> so does real sugar 13:19 <{Demo}3> dude i hate stevia so much 13:19 <{Demo}3> idek why 13:19 -!- |aaron has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- Andrio- is now known as Andrio 13:19 <{Demo}3> it just tastes whacky 13:19 i thought nothing bothered you 13:19 <{Demo}3> yeah well, maybe that's the joke 13:19 you're right though that stuff is garbage 13:20 wait another openssl cve 13:20 when did that happen 13:20 <{Demo}3> yeah i saw that stenno lol 13:20 stevia and other fake sweeteners used in "sugarfree" products also fuck with your metabolism 13:20 <{Demo}3> "patch patch patch patch" 13:20 stenno: idk 13:20 Countering Violent Extremism? 13:20 Critical Vulnerability something 13:20 aoei: what an ass backwards world 13:20 -!- Dracunos has quit [*.net *.split] 13:20 re the metabolism problem from 'healthy' sweetener 13:20 -!- Dracunos_ has joined #hardfought 13:20 CNT-FAI: yeah its kinda hilarious to me tho 13:20 in a way 13:21 oh totally 13:21 Critical Vulnerability Evaluation? 13:21 ya gotta laugh 13:21 high severity 13:21 today in britain they arrest you just for saying Critical Vulnerability Evaluation 13:21 stenno: according to deepy ther are two 13:21 one does't apply to freenode (he thinks) 13:21 the other lets you crash servers 13:21 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2021-3450 13:21 which is pretty serious 13:21 https://cve.mitre.org/cgi-bin/cvename.cgi?name=CVE-2021-3449 13:21 when did this come in, etcl. 13:22 An OpenSSL TLS server may crash if sent a maliciously crafted renegotiation ClientHello message from a client. 13:22 yeah that sounds evil 13:22 sounds easy to do 13:23 yes 13:23 that's an outrageously easy DoS 13:23 yep 13:23 you can do loads of damage with a single vps 13:23 no botnet required 13:23 lol 13:23 that's catastrophic 13:24 well maybe you wouldnt use a vps cuz those are tied to your ID but you get my point 13:24 thinking people should just be nice 13:24 yeah CNT-FAI 13:24 unfortunately in computer security there are *always* bad actors 13:24 yeah 13:24 you have to apply game theory unfortunately 13:25 (if i understand game theory correctly) 13:25 stenno: im not sure i understand game theory but i think i get the point you're driving at 13:25 that's the thing pickup artists use right 13:25 i think if for some reason you were pressed to estimate how many pharmacists are struggling with addiction you would have to guess high 13:25 qt: LOL 13:25 qt: only in A Beautiful Mind 13:26 Well this is fun. 13:26 I critised the free software foundation and rms 13:26 The hate mail keeps on rolling in. 13:26 uh oh 13:27 you did the thing 13:27 NCommander: jeez. I signed it too tho 13:27 fuck RMS 13:27 I made a YouTube vide on the thing documenting my personal experiences with rms being a pile of tash 13:27 *trash 13:27 ohhh wow 13:27 ok 13:27 pog 13:27 Ah 13:27 The YouTube comments gutter is needing regular cleaning 13:28 I also have a ok-sized channel with 6k subs 13:28 So you know, I actually reached a few people and now algromth sempai is doing the rest 13:28 I mean that's YT comments for ya 13:28 Still sucks though. 13:28 so like 13:28 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2SKenHRhMg - oh I'm fully aware. But A lot of people weren't and thanked me for it 13:28 curious about your personal experiences with that guy 13:29 i was sorta aware he wasd a creeper but had no idea how bad until reading more due to this recent news 13:29 I've never met him in person, but he always struck me as the archetypal neckbeard 13:29 Wait RMS is a person? 13:29 lol 13:29 stallma n 13:29 bhaak posted me this the other day https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Incidents 13:29 I never met him in person, I interacted w/ him via email, and quite a bit of the FSF 13:29 its pretty harrowing lol 13:29 That's a watered down list TBH 13:29 Umbire: yeah i was literally telling hoyu about this guy the other night lol 13:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Minetown, on T:2494 13:30 NCommander: yeah so iv've been told 13:30 but taht list and the EMACS Virgins page are bad enough on their own 13:30 TLAs aoei 13:30 like 13:30 Umbire: ok yea 13:30 and I just woke up :c 13:30 i get 13:30 lol 13:30 Oh yeah, don't get me wrong. 13:30 i will check out vid 13:30 thanks for link 13:30 But honestly, the FSF is basically Donald Trump and his fanbase who managed to have a decent idea 13:31 NCommander: jeez 13:31 First incident is enough to put me off reading the rest 13:31 Umbire: yuh 13:31 i stll read the rest tho 13:31 somehow 13:31 The shit people are posting is like QAnon stuff 13:31 jeez lol 13:31 Yeah that tracks. 13:31 <{Demo}3> bruh who cares about dumb computer ppl. go outside lmao 13:31 Esp. based off that first incident listed 13:31 {Demo}3: Does this sound like the time? 13:31 Demo there are a variety of reasons why this stuff does actually matter 13:32 Because it is most assuredly not the time, I can assure you of that. 13:32 one of them being the scale of damage RMS and similar neckbeard bigot assholes have done the community just by alienating all kinds of people 13:32 with their shitty behaviour 13:32 4chan is currently organzing spam and attacking those who denounce rms. 13:32 https://boards.4channel.org/g/thread/80822637#q80822637 13:32 NCommander: .w. 13:32 i actually *am* going to go outside 13:32 i have to take out some trash etc. 13:32 <{Demo}3> rms is a gross creep but i thought everyone already knew that and accepted it but i guess ppl are done putting up with it, which is fair 13:33 Demo yea and this whole thing wouldnt' ahve come up at all if he hadn't been reinstated to the FSF board in the firs tplace 13:33 if he'd just stayed in teh background ppl would have forgotten 13:33 Seems those people ain't accepted it. 13:33 <{Demo}3> i guess they thought it was long enough for ppl to forget 13:34 lmao 13:34 guess not 13:34 Well, the FSF announced that they're gong to institue a process in which all board members "will be evaluated to determine if their suitable to serve" 13:34 <{Demo}3> honestly i dont know how much of a place the fsf even has anymore 13:34 me neither Demo 13:34 GNU is also kinda dying 13:34 The FSF has been a boatanchor for 10+ years 13:34 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 494 points, T:1145, killed by a magic missile 13:34 <{Demo}3> like they already won the war they'd been fighting 13:34 leadership of GCC and GLIBC were de facto forced away from them. 13:34 <{Demo}3> open source is the hip and trendy thing to do now for big companies anyways 13:35 {Demo}3, not in their minds. They basically believe that a computer should not be able to run propiterary software. This is specifically cited on the FSF website on why Debian is a "non-ethical" OS 13:35 will be interesting if the rust coreutils port gains traction 13:35 based on clang and llvm and divorced from GCC/GLIBC 13:35 <{Demo}3> one day i am going to write my own coreutils ports for something that doesn't exist yet 13:35 <{Demo}3> just for fun 13:35 "non-ethical OS" is in itself a gigantic neon sign reading "WE'RE COMPLETELY DETACHED WONKS PLEASE DISREGARD" 13:36 lmao 13:36 I once compiled coreutils on Hurd 13:36 lmao Hurd 13:36 Seriously, the fuck does that even mean 13:36 'non-ethical OS' feels a lot like "I don't have any real problems" 13:36 <{Demo}3> i showed some kids how to install debian last night so i hope they do it and get "non-ethicald" 13:36 ok fascinating as this all is, gonna try not to get distracted by IRC again too much 13:37 https://www.gnu.org/distros/common-distros.html 13:37 Read the section on Debian 13:37 i can catch up on scrollback later perhaps 13:37 <{Demo}3> i mean, for me, the fsf has always been funny to laugh at for being so bullheaded and dogmatic to the point of comedy 13:38 "here's why we, the free software foundation, don't endorse free operating systems" 13:38 Umbire: wut 13:38 dammit i didnt leave 13:38 <{Demo}3> go away go dump the trash and see the air 13:38 ^ 13:38 <{Demo}3> im gonna go outside soon anyways 13:38 <{Demo}3> its really nice out today 13:38 do it or I'll get the water gun 13:38 i did go for a long walk ealrier 13:39 but 13:39 lmao umby 13:39 im goin 13:39 ok 13:39 honest 13:39 >:c 13:39 i don't understand the problem with this page tbh, if you care about having 100% free software on your machine it is useful information. if you don't care, why even look at it lol 13:39 it's no surprise that they are extremely dogged and bullheaded about their inquisition against proprietary binaries etc 13:39 it's the way the word "free" is defined 13:39 <{Demo}3> i mean, for me, the fsf has always been funny to laugh at for being so bullheaded and dogmatic to the point of comedy 13:40 ^ 13:40 ok there's also great meta here 13:40 considering like 13:40 smacks of the way people define and use words like "objectivity" 13:40 how he trie dto excuse his EMACS virgins joke thing as a mockery of dogmatic religion 13:40 or othe rppl tried to excuse it for him on that basis 13:40 and yet htey themselves are dogmatic fanatics 13:40 cya~ 13:40 most of the listed things have fuckin' GNU right in the name lmfao 13:41 umbire that's just because the fsf calls linux "gnu/linux" 13:41 so instead of writing "linux mint" they write "mint gnu/linux" -- it's not the official name of the OS afaik 13:42 -!- dtype has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- luxidream has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- rebatela has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- rld has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- cranberry has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- nabru has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- rossyrg_ has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- arahael has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- |aaron has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- mobileuser has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- hothraxxa has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- APic has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- lorimer has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- Merlek has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- bouquet has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- Announcy has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- moon-child has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- tungtn has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- aoei has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- Adeon has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- beetcoin has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 -!- Tangles has quit [*.net *.split] 13:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3210 14:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] elgeonmb (Ana Inc Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2278 14:19 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 14:19 -!- tepper.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ Β€ public irc logs available on website Β€ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org Β€ SlashTHEM 0.9.5 now available to play! 14:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 14:20 -!- Roho has joined #hardfought 14:21 -!- stenno1 is now known as stenno 14:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:21 !who 14:21 K2: [hdf-us] ezion [nh370] elgeonmb [dnh] KrO2 [dnh] lominare [xnh] Zindorsky [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players 14:21 -!- NA0rsa has joined #hardfought 14:22 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 14:23 <{Demo}> !whereis Demo 14:23 {Demo}: Demo is not playing. 14:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 14:24 @v?Demo 14:24 Demo ~3~ dingo (d) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 16 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom dungeons | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 14:24 -!- qt_ is now known as qt 14:24 you're a dingo 14:24 changeling ate my baby] 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:25827 14:25 this is not a dingo, you're a dingo 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by naming Sting, on T:923 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed tin of green dragon meat", on T:1161 14:27 <@deathsushi> I think I could name something without needing to be literate 14:27 <@deathsushi> Like, just because I don't know how to read doesn't mean I can't name my kid "farthat" or something 14:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3478 14:27 <@deathsushi> Unless you name Sting by writing the word "STING" on it 14:28 -!- NCommander_ is now known as NCommander 14:28 -!- NCommander has quit [Changing host] 14:28 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:1164 14:29 deathsushi: actually, it's impled *you do*, since it says "you hand slips" if you try to change Stings name after naming it 14:29 -!- ThaEwat has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 14:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 38622 points, T:20860, killed by a priest of Huhetotl 14:30 'your hand slips' doesn't necessarily mean you are writing anything, maybe you sensually caress your face whenever you name an item 14:30 i mean that's what I do irl when I name something 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 261 points, T:1118, killed by a wounded giant bat 14:30 So the lesson here is to never name something while shaving 14:30 NCommander!!! *swoon bundle* β™₯ 14:30 <@deathsushi> qt is on it 14:31 <@deathsushi> I'm with him 14:31 LarienTelrunya, I brought 4chan down on my head \o/ 14:31 <@deathsushi> Your hand slipping actually is just a random bonus thing that happened while naming Sting 14:31 <@deathsushi> Or not naming 14:31 <@deathsushi> The developers just got lazy and that was the only serenditious event that got coded 14:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1536 points, T:3540, killed by a slightly wounded water demon 14:31 <@deathsushi> It could just as easily be "You notice the weather start to change" 14:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 11 points, T:108, killed by a newt 14:31 NCommander: heh 14:31 welll, at least i slightly wounded it 14:31 <@deathsushi> NCommander: That must have been difficult to accomplish 14:31 I hate that mechanic and implication 14:31 <@deathsushi> πŸ˜„ 14:32 <@deathsushi> Yah, good slight wounding 14:32 Now now, it's the def team, you'd only get the weather start to change if you're outside. Otherwise, it would be "the dungeon suddenly seems drier" 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 266 points, T:1304, killed by an uninjured giant mimic 14:32 did bilbo get out a rock and carve "sting" on the dagger? no, he held it up and said "I shall call you Sting" 14:32 <@deathsushi> aosdict: Exactly 14:32 LarienTelrunya, well, I decided to talk about how someone is a trash human being for mysgonstic comments, and being a toxic influence. 4chan took exception 14:32 <@deathsushi> Actually, I think someone else had already named it Sting 14:32 <@deathsushi> And so Bilbo got to remain illiterate 14:32 thinking of the dimension where bilbo did that because he jiust really likes rocks 14:33 aosdict, yeah but bilbo is so badass that the metal just carved itself. 14:33 NCommander: 4chan is a cesspool filled with idiots, why are you posting there?! 14:33 LarienTelrunya, no, someone posted my YouTube video there 14:33 <@deathsushi> I used to think of Sting as a badass looking beautifully ornate dagger 14:33 <@deathsushi> But now 14:33 feel like you answered your own question there 14:33 LarienTelrunya: don't you go on 4chan 14:33 I need to check the books though, since you know, the Lord of the Rings movie wasn't a thing when NetHack was coded. 14:33 <@deathsushi> I'm imagining it has the word "STING" sloppily carved into it, like the desks at my old high school 14:33 LarienTelrunya, I'm mostly laughing *at* the idiots. 14:34 <@deathsushi> 14:34 ah I see 14:34 that's what they all say 14:34 the lord of the rings doesn't contain the naming of sting 14:34 <@deathsushi> JRR Tokien always tok shortcuts like that 14:34 <@deathsushi> Which is odd, because he included damn well every other minor detail 14:34 if you want the passage in the book, just use / and look up "sting". it's right there in the game lol 14:35 @deathsushi it's part of The Hobbit 14:35 so it is probably in the hobbit movies 14:35 but I heard those are bad 14:36 -yea 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3706 14:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 208 points, T:896, killed by a giant cockroach 14:38 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3877 14:38 re umb. giuessing you got a little more sleep than me 14:39 Maybe 14:39 ? 14:39 i must have had no more than 4 hours 14:39 So a yes then, I guess. 14:42 <@deathsushi> Umbire whoa unfair advantage buddy 14:42 calling the International Nethalympic Committee 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3858 14:44 Cool 14:44 <@Joanna> Can confirm hobbit movies bad @aosdict and @deathsushi 14:44 <@Joanna> Whole point of the hobbit is it was a more light hearted and fun adventure story 14:45 <@Joanna> And they tried to make this lotr type epic out of it 14:45 <@Joanna> Fialing horribly ofc 14:45 <@deathsushi> I didn't mind them 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4221 14:45 Anyway mom decided to manufacture something to narc about so not in a particularly good mood 14:45 <@deathsushi> But I'm not a huge LotR fan anyway 14:45 <@deathsushi> Wheel of Time all the way baby 14:45 <@Joanna> I am no big fan of the lotr movies either 14:46 <@Joanna> Tho they are way better than the hobbit movies 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4295 14:46 oh hey a third wheel of time fan 14:46 <@Joanna> And i enjoyed hobbit book more than lotr books 14:46 Tai'shar Hardfought! 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a dwarvish iron helm on an altar, on T:4298 14:46 <@Joanna> Wtf is wheel of time anyway 14:46 a 14 book series by robert jordan, and completed by brandon sanderson after his death 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5046 14:46 <@Joanna> Wow 14:46 high fantasy 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:5056 14:46 <@Joanna> Substantial 14:47 <@Joanna> Any of you read Ian Irvine at all? 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5101 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an oval amulet on an altar, on T:5107 14:47 <@Joanna> I never finished a full book, so maybe that isn't a good endorsement, but I did quite enjoy the bits i read XD 14:47 @deathsushi riker and I managed to get Callandor added to dnethack 14:47 him more than me 14:48 <@Joanna> Iirc there were three separate quartets 14:48 <@Joanna> So a total of 12 books 14:48 <@Joanna> The world he made and the diff races and strange magics i did find fascinating 14:49 <@Joanna> Well of Echoes, View from the Mirror, and something something 14:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:49 -!- ThaEwat has joined #hardfought 14:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:42504 14:49 <@Joanna> Probly also what you'd call high fantasy but im guessing nobody else knows it lol 14:49 rip to that umb 14:50 "high fantasy" doesn't have anything to do with being popular or well known 14:50 <@Joanna> I'm well aware 14:50 <@Joanna> Was just commenting on the fact I'm getting no recognition here 14:51 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1807418 points, T:95867, decapitated by a vorpal jabberwock 14:51 yeah never heard of it 14:51 <@Joanna> Probly what you'd call high fantasy because complex made up world and magical races etc. 14:51 I know of Wheel of Time 14:51 Haven't read it though 14:51 <@Joanna> But idk exactly how you'd define high fantasy 14:52 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/High_fantasy 14:52 It's about the 'scale' of the fantastic stuff 14:52 i.e. first few seasons of GoT could be considered "low fantasy" 14:52 at the least "low-magic" 14:52 <@Joanna> Hm. Might not be what I thought then. But well of Echoes etc. may still fit the bill 14:53 <@Joanna> Because the scale is crazy 14:53 Umbire: got is a fantasy story that's epic in scale 14:53 so the whole thing is high fantasy imo 14:53 <@Joanna> Some plots involve alienlike races from "the void" 14:53 <@Joanna> More than one world 14:53 it doesn't need lots of big flashy magic or supernatural stuff 14:53 <@Joanna> Like planets 14:53 <@Joanna> And these void creatures trying to enslave whole worldd 14:54 <@Joanna> It's almost sf but it isn't 14:54 <@Joanna> Because space travel and everything is magic 14:54 song of ice and fire has a very soft magic system - big and mysterious, but not used very often 14:55 <@Joanna> There are also different kinds of magics, favoured by different races 14:55 <@Joanna> E.g. the Aachim are like magical engineers 14:55 <@Joanna> Their spaceships combine magic with some almost like steampunk elements 14:55 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 14:55 <@Joanna> Thus they can fly thru the void in constructs 14:55 <@Joanna> To visit other worlds 14:56 <@Joanna> The faellem, conversely have a more vague mystical magic 14:56 <@Joanna> But like elves or fairies or something 14:56 <@Joanna> Illusion magic, mind magic and other thingd 14:57 <@Joanna> It's really clever and inventive but the character arcs and plots can be quite meandering 14:57 <@Joanna> Which is probably why I struggled finishing whole books 14:57 it's' high fantasy if you have to remember names and faces pretty well 14:58 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha), 31471 points, T:3996, killed by a monster (white dragon) 14:58 <@Joanna> Rip a-hour 14:58 I figured I'd see if I could kill the minetown white dragon as my starting stats were so ass 14:58 7 str 7 dex were my best two I think 14:59 didn't mind if died 14:59 Umbire, oh yeah that's the thousand mark stare 15:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:11313 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law), 6148 points, T:5693, killed by a heavily wounded invisible stalker 15:01 amateurhour: lol fair 15:02 Muad: what were you responding to there? 15:02 context not immediately obvious and im nosy 15:02 :D 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3067 15:03 !rng play some vidya | foods 15:03 aoei: play some vidya 15:03 I do as the bot commands 15:03 i cant stop saying vidya now and i blame you for this amateurhour 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2751 15:07 heh 15:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:08 <@Computer Man> !8ball should i eat some chocolate 15:08 @Computer Man: Without a doubt 15:08 <@Computer Man> hell yes 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3455 15:08 gotta do what the bot says 15:08 amateurhour: im not saying this is a bad thing 15:09 fwiw 15:09 I know :) 15:09 similarly I can't say 'sans', now I have to say 'spooky evil skeleton' 15:09 makes talking about fonts quite difficult 15:09 hahaha 15:09 evil funy skele man 15:09 bad evil comic skele 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3661 15:11 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:12 <@Computer Man> comic sans is even worse to type out now 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4515 15:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:20510 15:14 <@Computer Man> !8bal should i quit gaming forever 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2885 points, T:4654, killed by a dagger 15:15 <@Computer Man> well fucking up the command is nice 15:15 <@Computer Man> !8ball 15:15 @Computer Man: Outlook not so good 15:15 <@Computer Man> lmao 15:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:71834 15:15 <@deathsushi> Begone pest 15:16 !rng Grand Tour | No GT 15:16 Umbire: Grand Tour 15:16 That bodes not well 15:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:43148 15:18 "elven boots" is metal right? 15:18 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 76 points, T:317, killed by a jackal 15:18 Copper specifically 15:18 If you're in xnh again 15:18 yea 15:18 thank 15:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on the Plane of Air (for the 5th time), on T:71927 15:19 also RIP to Jessica Walter 15:19 <@Computer Man> !rng roguelikes | sleep 15:19 @Computer Man: roguelikes 15:20 what time is it for you? 15:21 roguelikes time 15:21 nice 15:21 bad evil skele time for me after i eat some pasta 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 11246 points, T:9354, killed by an uninjured tiger 15:22 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 84 points, T:373, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 15:22 i also put my stream title/description thru https://github.com/Daniel-Liu-c0deb0t/uwu 15:22 lol 15:22 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 15:22 attempt to kiww the b-bad eviw skeweton m-man! (β‘…Λ˜κ’³Λ˜) 15:22 <3<3<3<3<3<3<3<3 15:22 stweam info uwuified b-by github.com/Daniel-Liu-c0deb0t/uwu 15:22 does the pasta make u play fasta 15:23 idk i am tired i dont think i am going to beat the bad eview skeweton m-man 15:23 aoei, the meme pic on this https://twitter.com/DumbCerb/status/1375144307414474761 (it's from a 90's comedy show) 15:23 Muad: lmao 15:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:72083 15:24 wonder if @riker is around this afternoon 15:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11369 15:26 he's prob still in school 15:26 its noon 30 where he's at 15:26 awe 15:26 or maybe he's on spring break 15:26 he told me roughly when hes free this week but i already forgot 15:26 cant remember if today or friday busy 15:26 but oh well 15:27 Umbire: elven boots are leather 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] joes (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 226 points, T:456, killed by an uninjured goblin 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5654 15:27 CNT-FAI: ^^ 15:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3618 15:27 Heck 15:27 Ugh, right, I can't remember because I can't fucking think straight. 15:27 thanks for the info though 15:27 that's understandable umb 15:27 Sorry. 15:27 remember you have object lookup 15:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:3703 15:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] elgeonmb (Ana Inc Fem Neu) wished for "Grayswandir", on T:3136 15:27 so you can / for "elven boots" and it gives the default material 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:5766 15:28 ohhhhhhhhhh okay 15:28 i will try to remember that! 15:28 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dra Dop Mal Law) killed Moldoux, the Defenceless Mold, on T:4559 15:28 how did that 4chan clown miss my email? 15:28 it's literally on my github page! 15:29 If they're the type of person I think they are 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:5810 15:29 ...well, they'll find a way 15:29 -!- EPic is now known as APic 15:29 heh 15:30 "It is difficult to get a man to understand something, when his salary depends on not understanding it." 15:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Minetown, on T:4386 15:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed CntFai's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:4492 15:32 bhaak: your email is not visible to someone not logged into github 15:32 also you should have a punnier domain than bhaak.net 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4677 points, T:5856, poisoned by a killer bee 15:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4778 15:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:97 15:34 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dra Dop Mal Law), 9147 points, T:4561, killed by a monster (invisible great wyrm of power) 15:36 <{Demo}> a classic combo 15:37 !tell LarienTelrunya what are the specifics for the cloak of peace? 15:37 No worries, amateurhour, I've got this! 15:39 aosdict: what would be punnier? also, it literally says "log in to view email". that might be a hint how to get the mail, even automatically. I guess there's even an offical API for that. 15:40 idk maybe bhaaktothefuture.net 15:40 babygotbhaak.net 15:41 itsnotabhaakitsafeature.net 15:41 bhaakoff.net 15:41 also you should have a blog called bhaak words 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:1277 15:45 -!- bouquet has quit [Quit: leaving] 15:45 to the moon and bhaak 15:45 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 15:46 bhaaaaaaak 15:46 I'm way better at 3D thinking. I played Homeworld 15:46 GMEtothemoonandbhaak? 15:47 <{Demo}> i feel mentally assaulted rn 15:47 <{Demo}> like theres a flayer on the level mind blasting me 15:48 all these bhaak jokes 15:48 makes me laugh 15:48 bhahahahahahk 15:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed Garnet Rod", on T:36128 15:49 babygotbhaak.net <- lmao 15:49 bhaak street boys 15:49 XD 15:50 once you go bhaak, you never go back 15:50 got my boots back @Umbire and i'm still up almost $2.2k so no worries 15:50 <{Demo}> bhaakeye 15:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Champion, on T:43661 15:51 heh 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:29835 15:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5028 15:52 Sushi still trying to find the portal? 15:53 why do all of slex's artifacts have to be wielded to do anything good 15:54 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) destroyed eraserhead97's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:9717 15:54 -!- Leficios has joined #hardfought 15:55 like this artifact lockpick I found 15:55 who wields a lockpick on the regular? 15:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:20947 15:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Adept, on T:5332 15:56 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:58 dug through this room after quaffing obj det and OH GOD https://i.postimg.cc/tCccRmZH/image.png 15:58 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dra Dop Mal Law), 270 points, T:773, poisoned by a rotted small kobold corpse 15:58 really, really glad i took the time to make sure my pet pony was coming 15:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu), 2394586 points, T:36286, petrified by termination of personal timeline. 15:59 looks like hundreds of mumaks have invaded your screen 15:59 somewhat, but those q are walls 15:59 im guessing 15:59 is... is that how the game normally looks for you? 16:00 this options file is extremely popular for x users 16:01 that's how it looks if your terminal doesn't support or somehow ignores the escape sequence for terminal line characters 16:01 I can say with certainty that line drawing characters being replaced by ascii characters all over the place is not popular for x users 16:01 you need to use codepage 437 16:01 or any variant 16:01 try changing the 'symset' option 16:01 okay, I forgot to save my settings in putty after fixing the codepage 16:02 I rater think something is not correctly set with putty 16:02 i literally JUST said that 16:03 thanks for saying something aosdict, i am sleep deprived and the whole thing slipped my mind 16:03 is now saved and looks better 16:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3496 points, T:5623, killed by an uninjured dwarf queen 16:04 Well... 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] joes (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1996 points, T:2192, killed by a wounded Uruk-hai 16:04 also, appreciate qt having the solution in their quiver 16:05 Anyway yeah I had that problem earlier because I kept forgetting to actually save the change to CP437 on putty 16:05 yeah exactly 16:05 Kept doing it mid-session 16:05 !tell LarienTelrunya why won't rocks fired using the sling of david instakill giants? :( 16:05 Will do, amateurhour! 16:05 is why I took the time the other day to actually do that 16:05 it becomes too distant in your mental network 16:05 amateurhour: because it only happens 40% of the time 16:05 or you hit a nastytrap that disables all artifacts 16:05 i thought i saved it but the thing i forget to do most in putty is save settings 16:05 it happens 0% of the time 16:06 or it's secretly an ubergiant that's immune to instakills 16:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:21076 16:06 same 16:06 or your rocks are heavily doublecursed and useless as sling ammo 16:06 * CNT-FAI is an ubergiant that's immune to instakills irl 16:06 Are they listed as M2_GIANT 16:06 the in-game message is 16:06 o, Soviet, sling bullets fired 16:06 by this thing will not instakill giants 16:06 No* 16:07 sounds like it might do in slashTHEM then 16:07 the obviously superior version of slex :^) 16:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased +3 gauntlets of power", on T:21098 16:08 https://i.postimg.cc/zfrzGk30/image.png 16:08 needs a trapper 16:08 so it can spell Gtfo 16:08 -!- Roho has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:08 Wait, it actually says that Ammy? 16:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:53207 16:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:53207 16:10 yeah 16:10 :/ I know she feels a way justifiably about SLTHEM but this is ridiculously petty 16:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:9317 16:10 I don't think it's pettiness, I reckon it went something more like 16:11 huh??? why would any weapon be allowed to just instakill anything??? that sounds broken and bad 16:11 imagine that read in the-voice-you-have-for-Amy-in-your-head 16:12 Already did. 16:12 Still. 16:12 there's a lot of notes to individual players in slex 16:12 As would be expected. 16:12 This in particular just seems a bit unnecessary. 16:13 @aosdict YANI/YASI just occurred to me- still not sure about it, but potentially interesting IMHO. a wizard wielding force bolt should perhaps be able to force a lock on a box, like she's trying to yank just enough of the power out of the book and jam it in the lock, with risky effects appropriate to such behavior like burning out Pw, breaking potions, etc 16:14 does she perhaps have a slight bit of a [whispering now] sadistic streak 16:15 This does seem appropriately punny 16:15 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 16:15 <@Computer Man> man i wonder 16:15 <@Computer Man> what voice do you guys have for amy in your heads? 16:15 * Umbire shrugs. 16:15 CNT-FAI: Might require a significant amount of skill in attack spells, though. 16:15 perhaps! 16:16 at least to do so without negative consequences 16:16 <@Computer Man> imo casting it at the box could do the trick 16:16 Alternately, who's to say wizard lock is not but a highly-refined bolt of forcing 16:16 in my head people that I've only ever interacted with via chat sound british 16:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:21407 16:16 <@Computer Man> i read my own text in a bri'ish accent 16:16 Oh right, I forgot 16:16 i think casting it at the box is an option already, but i'm thinking in the vein of features like tipping items 16:17 aosdict: Did you make Trollsbane suck less 16:17 a more granular approach to forcing a lock 16:17 <@Computer Man> maybe forcing it barehanded gives you the option? 16:17 another fail consequence could be like, your hands get sore 16:17 <@Computer Man> how would you get to using force bolt 16:18 like you zapped too much of the force into yourself 16:18 Sore hands, drop wielded items 16:18 <@Computer Man> what next, am i gonna be able to suffocate something by raising it with the force 16:18 (usu. just the book) 16:18 could even maybe result in blanking the spellbook i guess 16:18 or something 16:18 Hm 16:19 idk how much work this idea justifies but its got me thinking now 16:19 -!- Leficios has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:19 <@Computer Man> (a hilarious alternative is you jamming the book in the lock, and forcing it with the spine) 16:19 <@Computer Man> possibly rips the book apart with all the fun that ensues 16:19 CNT-FAI: I hope you are wearing your pacing shoes 16:20 <@Computer Man> this sounds slex-y 16:20 <@Computer Man> fleecy pacing shoes 16:20 and +1 earplugs of selective hearing 16:20 only +1? 16:20 psh. 16:20 huh, I can see two squares in the dark 16:20 at least make sure you blessed them 16:20 joes: Infravision? 16:20 CNT-FAI: yeah that's a fine idea for the archive, but it's not something I'd add to xnh 16:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] elgeonmb (Ana Inc Fem Neu), 32511 points, T:5646, killed by an ammit 16:20 hey, they were on sale at gamestop 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:2053 16:20 aos: valid 16:20 ew 16:20 lucky they weren't cursed 16:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:5066 16:21 too complicated, how do you do it interface-wise, etc 16:21 SMOP as the acros go 16:21 yeah may be more fitting for an rl with different priorities from go 16:21 <@Computer Man> lmao 16:21 Umbire: I'm human and have no lamp 16:21 <@Computer Man> a blessed fixed +1 different address 16:21 also hi 16:21 <@Computer Man> makes sure you don't get mail 16:22 no candle? 16:22 Sunsword? 16:22 seriously though, in my part of NJ it's pretty much just gamestop, target, walmart for games. but it does mean some decent deals. i was surprised to find overwatch origins edition at a price i was willing to pay given that i have a previous edition of overwatch for ps4 in storage in CA 16:22 etc.? 16:22 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 16:22 i am always saying this [16:21:42] Umbire: I'm human and have no lamp 16:22 just started 16:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided krakens, on T:53373 16:22 Umbire: eh it's not a smop in that there's a lot of hidden difficulty, but it's got a lot of moving parts for what is ultimately "wizards should have a different method of opening boxes" 16:22 come see the darkness inherent in the system 16:22 are my options weird or is it slashem? 16:22 aosdict: that's the joke 16:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided electric eels, on T:53373 16:22 Might be a SLASH'EM thing? 16:22 well 16:22 Umbire: trollsbane gives hungerless regen, but I have more buffs planned 16:22 I've never played so I can't really say 16:23 aosdict: Thought it might have that, didn't remember 16:23 ultimate goal, merge it into sunsword 16:23 at this point id' say it might be appropriate for an rl with a fundamentally different approach to the role, like how zapm treats quarterbacks and janitors 16:23 aosdict: Why's that? 16:23 I have no lamp and I must beam? 16:23 like wizards just generally have this kind of trickster/mad scientist bullshit going on where they're always trying to nudge just a little bit of power from this to that 16:24 !who 16:24 amateurhour: [hdf-us] Stef75 [nh370] oh6 [nh370] KaiHerd [nh370] ezion [nh370] aerth [nh370] KrO2 [dnh] lurchy [sp] Draco [slex] Rx [xnh] SamG [xnh] qt [xnh] CntFai [xnh] lominare [xnh] joes [slshm] pp [evil] hothraxxa [evil] post163 [evil] | [hdf-eu] amateurhour [slex] mobileuser [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:24 maybe while pursuing hopeless religious/romantic/academic goals 16:25 Umbire: a combination of "foobane artifacts are generally boring" and "hey sunlight affects trolls in folklore" 16:25 depends on the specific folklore 16:25 imagine a rl where wizards can summon sunlight from deep inside the dungeon to disorient enemies 16:25 discworld/lotr in this case 16:25 if I remember my trivia "troll" was applied to a lot of shit in the original Swedish 16:25 and wear mirror shades 16:25 oh that's valid then 16:26 <{Demo}> mirror shades vs medusa 16:26 there is a spell in D&D called Daylight 16:26 <{Demo}> killing medusa in style 16:26 I wanted a buffed TBane because I wanted morning stars not to suck basically 16:26 hooray my taco wrap and cheese fries arrived 16:26 even though I'm not particularly attached to them 16:26 <{Demo}> the way to buff tbane is to make morning stars not weigh 120 or whatever 16:26 <{Demo}> make it 20 16:26 <{Demo}> and make it have better dice 16:26 oh another motivation for the merge is "too many long sword artifacts" 16:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 16:27 didn't you change demonbane 16:27 and uhhh 16:27 fire/frost brand already 16:27 i think if you play with a long sword in an rl you should have to regularly fight random challengers who show up to duel you 16:27 aosdict lol 16:27 like a musketeers vibe 16:27 maybe that but with a saber 16:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] Rx (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 2539 points, T:5580, killed by a moderately wounded jaguar 16:27 yes 16:27 sabers feel slightly more musketeerey 16:27 (musketeery?) 16:27 Umbire: yes, reducing it to excal + vorpy is good 16:28 eh, one or two more long swords besides those wouldn't kill me 16:28 some asshole schlepped all the way to DL12 just bc he heard he could avenge his brother's death at the hands of your uncle 16:28 but speaking for myself 16:28 in fact, throw out the whole amulet business and just have sword fighting 16:29 wouldn't it just become like 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2539 16:29 nidhogghack or some shit 16:29 idk what that is 16:29 I forget what that one fencing game was 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3183 16:30 was half serious since yeah it would devolve into a fencing sim that doesn't actually simulate anything 16:30 <@Computer Man> Umbire: Nidhogg? 16:30 I might be pulling the name from an entirely different game so iunno 16:30 though Wizard Sports should probably be a rl in its own right 16:30 <@Computer Man> it is nidhogg yeah 16:30 oh 16:30 <@Computer Man> vs fencing and stuff 16:30 also tangent but I've wondered about possibly changing the arc pantheon somewhat too, considering it's Mesoamerican in origin 16:30 <@Computer Man> i just read the last sentence lole 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:12021 16:30 which, those are still practiced religions 16:31 (this is strictly "my variant" talk mind) 16:31 just make sure you're seeking guidance from the appopriate experts 16:31 so wondering if it's not in bad taste 16:31 ye of course 16:31 just bringing up the question though 16:31 this varies widely between currently practiced religions 16:31 yeah 16:32 and it's not like you ever see the gods in NetHack + differentiate them any besides role and alignment 16:32 like how there are some tribes' facial tattoos you see all the time and some are not considered okay to depict in other contexts 16:32 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6548 points, T:4035, killed by a horse 16:32 i mean deepening the religion thing in general is probably an interesting idea as long as you don't go stone soup with it 16:32 but still, it's the principle of the thing that makes it at least worth considering 16:32 what'd dcss do 16:33 i can't say specifically so much as i just mean avoiding the trap of wanting to make a simulator in RPG form that like Troy would watch Abed play with increasing concern 16:33 bc it has every possible thign in it 16:33 either generally or for religion 16:33 CDDA might be the better comparison in fact 16:33 just an informal "don't make stone soup in the kitchen sink" thing 16:33 ic 16:33 ya 16:33 unless i mean. you want to 16:34 mine is a very sturdy sink 16:34 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 160 points, T:177, killed by a dagger 16:34 kids these days will make any old soup 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1359 points, T:3808, killed by an uninjured yeti 16:36 ow 16:37 yeti hurt bad 16:38 https://external-content.duckduckgo.com/iu/?u=https%3A%2F%2Fresizing.flixster.com%2FhS1scYKmyqC4iSfEgtrCvPREwY8%3D%2F300x300%2Fv1.dDsxNTMyMjA7ajsxODQ1MTsxMjAwOzYwMDs0MzI&f=1&nofb=1 16:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:12776 16:39 I accidentally watched an ep of ASYKW 16:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3513 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:41834 16:40 I actually forgot how genuinely funny it could be at times 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12298 16:40 it's mostly really good 16:40 i think that's the one with Totem Pole, which I hate deeply, but other than that pretty good 16:41 Totem Pole? 16:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:72300 16:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:31922 16:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Bar Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:7908 16:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 8311 points, T:7908, killed by an uninjured soldier ant 16:43 they retcon carl's favorite band preference to this awful crap with like germans who appropriate totem poles and its clear the show ppl didnt get PNW culture/tradition and didnt ask anyone for help 16:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Death, on T:72313 16:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Deathsushi's ghost, the former Student of Waters, on T:22527 16:44 Oh 16:44 Sounds sucky, yeah 16:44 kind of unfortunate bc a more informed and ethical process could deal with how NJ ppl erase and misappropriate Native stuff 16:45 and would have been funnier probably 16:45 anyway ASYKW does have some great eps 16:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:72343 16:46 the one I saw was the gambling ep 16:46 Bookie, an all time great 16:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased gold plated armor named "Mortal Combat Criterion Edition"", on T:72343 16:47 legendary doubling down by Shake there 16:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Cha), 1347586 points, T:72344, ascended (in dishonor) https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Deathsushi/xnethack/dumplog/1616355153.xnh.html 16:47 u gotta see the show thru to the end to understand Meatwad in that ep 16:47 <@deathsushi> In dishonor! 16:47 16:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:47 <@Computer Man> What does in dishonor mean in x 16:48 <@deathsushi> Means I changed my alignment 16:48 Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:72343 16:48 grats but also boo 16:48 <@deathsushi> And all the refs stood up and turned their backs on me 16:48 <@deathsushi> Even though I won 16:48 haha 16:48 <@deathsushi> The Kumite is still mine 16:48 shine on ds 16:48 A dishonorable demigod seems pretty Netherealmy 16:48 Netherrealmy* 16:48 <@deathsushi> Also I was a man valkyrie 16:48 <@deathsushi> So it's a double-dishonor, really 16:49 <@iatrocrat> weird idea but 16:49 more like double kickass 16:49 hooa ascension seems a bit silly anyway 16:49 You'd be surprised to know what Odin and Thor got up to 16:49 <@iatrocrat> any variant where the game changes your role 16:49 !tell LarienTelrunya the wiki says you can dip amulets into toilets to id them, but I don't seem to get a useful message 16:49 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, amateurhour. 16:49 <@iatrocrat> probably not 16:49 at least its acknowledged by xnh 16:49 <@iatrocrat> but just a quesiton 16:49 <@Computer Man> hooa ascension is cheating 16:49 can happen in slex iatrocrat 16:49 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 16:49 <@deathsushi> lol 16:49 <@Computer Man> Plain and simple 16:49 it is hardly a dishonor to acknowledge your inner sexuality 16:49 And I'm not saying that pejoratively either 16:49 also i think in dnethack 16:49 <@iatrocrat> of course in slex 16:49 <@deathsushi> Cheating? Come on now 16:49 <@deathsushi> It's not save scumming 16:49 there is something with the elf role 16:50 <@deathsushi> It's in the game 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 6625 points, T:10447, quit 16:50 <@Computer Man> I'll try an updog run next 16:50 its not cheating, yeah 16:50 yeah going traitor technically changes role 16:50 it is definitely not cheating 16:50 well to be fair DS it's a little ridiculous for some people to have an opinion on cheating at all when other ppls boundaries are just a fun way to torture them :D 16:50 in any case turning to Loki would be infinitely more "problematic" 16:50 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3560 points, T:1949, killed by a lizard 16:50 anyway this is your character https://twitter.com/dril/status/488661591773442048 16:50 <@deathsushi> Well, I'm hanging out up here in demigod heaven, anyhow 16:51 funny thing is Valks used to be chaotic once upon a time 16:51 <@deathsushi> Chatting with all these Valk hotties 16:51 <@Computer Man> Where's the ignoring agreement now 16:51 <@Computer Man> lmao 16:51 honestly lawful vs chaotic in NH forks in general is kind of screwy 16:51 umbire: i think you have fallen prey to the #fakenews put about by the venerable bede 16:51 <@Computer Man> Did you bring pudding and beer 16:51 Yeah but the idea of alignment itself is a bit screwy 16:52 <@Computer Man> Iceboxes are a must 16:52 being more of a guideline and a rule 16:52 than a rule* 16:52 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) obtained the luckstone from Mines End, on T:6191 16:52 it is, but reducing its complexity from D&D doesn't help 16:52 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:52 It doesn't 16:52 y;lkjhgewergthyjukilo;p;'lkjhgfdsdfgthjuikpl['; 16:52 -!- winny has quit [Quit: restarting weechat relay for openssl upgrade] 16:52 <@iatrocrat> i mean alignment is just kind of a thing from dnd that isnt even elaborated on 16:52 lol that was not supposed to send, was wiping down my keyboard 16:52 <@Computer Man> Lmao 16:52 RIP 16:52 -!- winny has joined #hardfought 16:52 <@iatrocrat> too well into nh 16:52 nor is it even brought over whole from D&D 16:52 but yeah it does help that NetHack explicitly addresses that deal at least in the sense of noting chaotic != evil 16:53 <@Computer Man> No As and Xes 16:53 in the guidebook and everything 16:53 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:53 still, it's a little more the case than in rulebooks 16:53 of TTRPGs 16:53 <@Computer Man> You missed some cornerns 16:53 <@Computer Man> *corners 16:53 <@iatrocrat> alignment penalty is also like 16:53 good/evil's gonna end up relative to the adventurer anyway because lol murderhoboing 16:53 <@iatrocrat> kind of redundant since its usually not a problem 16:54 there's not a lot of good going on in that whole place 16:54 <@Computer Man> yeah more or less 16:54 [hdf-us] [slshm] joes (Cav Hum Fem Law), 2981 points, T:2330, killed by an imp 16:54 <@Computer Man> Give players free reign theyll loot the world 16:54 considering the dungeon isn't specifically advertised as having e.g. modern ventilation, one must imagine it a muck hell 16:55 CNT-FAI: also begs the question of dungeon residents' selective reception towards your char 16:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:53443 16:55 which, gotta address that somehow 16:55 yeh 16:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Black Horse, on T:53443 16:55 anyway 5 minutes before a meeting and I still have an urge to slam my head against something 16:56 dont do it 16:56 <@Computer Man> A wall is a good pick 16:57 <@princessSpicycat> creamofwheat: alignment penalties usually aren't a problem, unless stormbringer makes you kill one too many peacefuls 16:57 16:57 <@princessSpicycat> and then, hilariously, it blasts you 16:57 <@Computer Man> Hah 16:57 [hdf-us] [slshm] SrinivasSamJespe (Und Hum Fem Law), 193 points, T:275, killed by a fox 16:57 Reminding you who's boss of this dungeon 16:57 CNT-FAI: https://twitter.com/artb0i/status/1372926010874810368 16:58 <@Computer Man> Stormbringer is the hero all along 16:58 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 16:58 <@Computer Man> Chaotics just get close to their powering source 16:58 yo7 16:58 -!- joes has left #hardfought 16:59 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 16:59 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 16:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:00 yo6 17:00 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 17:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 4421977 points, T:53461, ascended 17:00 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1616072510.evil.html 17:00 gg. 17:03 <@Computer Man> (Not in disgrace) 17:03 God I did not need this start to the day 17:03 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:7456 17:03 gratz mobileuser! 17:03 <@Computer Man> Umbire: what start? 17:04 <@Computer Man> Also grats mobile! 17:04 and now I'm being asked to pretend I actually give two shits about LinkedIn 17:04 <@Computer Man> lmao 17:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:23007 17:04 It lit. even looks like FB I'm going to unalive 17:04 Rif help me 17:05 <@Computer Man> It's not like FB 17:05 <@Computer Man> It's worse 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 211 points, T:611, killed by a wand 17:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 265 points, T:1397, killed by a gas spore's explosion 17:09 <@Computer Man> Y chat died 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed joes' ghost, the former Rogue, on T:6812 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1195 17:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6849 17:13 try playing nethack, then you'll have something to talk about 17:14 <@Computer Man> I am playing 17:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Kokushu, on T:23556 17:15 <@deathsushi> Yah get up in this NH PIECE 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1605 points, T:1808, killed by a wounded soldier ant 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:7333 17:16 [hdf-us] [slshm] SrinivasSamJespe (Und Hum Fem Law), 856 points, T:1407, killed by a green mold 17:17 <@Computer Man> Go team a! 17:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:7693 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:33020 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33049 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:69374 17:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:69375 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3346 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 746 points, T:3517, killed by a dwarvish spear 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8890 points, T:8642, killed by a heavily wounded priest of Loki 17:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 716 points, T:508, killed by an uninjured bat 17:51 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 17:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Clk Fem Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:5743 17:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Mal Law) reached Minetown, on T:2529 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a water moccasin, on T:18596 17:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:15415 17:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:25046 17:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 18:01 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 250 seconds] 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3434 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2555 points, T:3733, killed by an uninjured dwarf lord 18:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3441 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 41195 points, T:15775, killed by a wounded troll 18:07 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class R, on T:25435 18:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class U, on T:25436 18:10 wait what's fb Umbire 18:10 facebook 18:10 *facepalm* 18:10 lol i meant it the other way 18:10 you said something is fb 18:10 Oh 18:10 its my bad 18:10 i see what i did now 18:10 I figured dwdw 18:10 lol 18:10 We had a presentation on LinkedIn 18:11 oh your job 18:11 social group 18:11 ahhh 18:11 but I'm also part of this other thing within it 18:11 social on linkedin has to be...kinda tense 18:11 to begin w/ 18:11 yeah esp. with people trying to network apropos of nothing 18:11 right 18:11 autism group has Job Prep stuff so Of Course but I normally don't mind it 18:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Daimyo, on T:25546 18:12 at my charter high school we would bet on how many times the counselor would say the word networking 18:12 but if I can keep a mile or two away from linkedin where possible 18:12 that'd be cool 18:12 CNT-FAI: lmfao 18:12 yeah i stay away 18:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1840, rt[0:12:43] 18:12 i went to high school 2000-04 its so gd much worse now i can't even conceive of it 18:12 I went in 2006-2010 18:12 though it was also one of those high-tier schools so 18:13 ah, already happening but no rules 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:71202 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:71210 18:15 unrelated i cant tell yall how much fun i have clicking on the wireless numpad like its a controller of its own, ill stream it sometime and youll see what i mean 18:16 i exepcted it to be awkward but its chill as fuck way more so than sitting huncjhed over the keyboard for 6 hours or we 18:17 huh, force bolt doesnt seem to check for the box at all 18:17 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 18:17 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 18:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:71391 18:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 2313 points, T:4839, killed by a killer bee 18:19 -!- theRaisse has quit [Client Quit] 18:19 oh turns out quarterstaff is fine for forcing the lock to begin w/ 18:19 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3000 18:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2621, rt[0:19:43] 18:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible AlleyOop's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:13657 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3358 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3337 18:27 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3280, rt[0:26:52] 18:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:71691 18:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:71697 18:28 FORGOT I WAS A GNOME AND ATE A GNOME 18:28 You Have Sinned 18:28 showrace ftw 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 9609 points, T:7417, killed by an invisible gnome lady 18:29 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:30 it shows it, i just file it away as like subconscious 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3910 18:31 updoot yer filin system 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3964 18:31 he's right you know 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4498 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4574 18:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 4647 points, T:4357, rt[0:32:56], wc[0:33:41], killed by a wounded werewolf 18:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:4117 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed ezion's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:4149 18:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant ant, on T:26921 18:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 823 points, T:1033, [0:04:45], killed by an uninjured gnome 18:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 402 points, T:3027, killed by an uninjured water demon 18:43 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] SrinivasSamJespe (Und Hum Fem Law), 2151 points, T:1867, killed by a master lich 18:45 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:47 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 18:48 YANI/YASI (var agnostic): given that nerds' favorite 60s/70s bands were all huge Harry Nilsson fans, I think a reference to his album Arrow (about a boy and his dog going on adventures!) could be appropriate. Namely, "Looks like you boys had a run in with them bees!" 18:50 * Umbire squints at CNT-FAI 18:50 hey, this game has Terry Pratchett novels 18:51 this would actually be a nod toward those audience members who shower 18:51 Yes but you seem insistent on that particular line 18:51 rip to him and all 18:51 unfortunately I am correct to remember it 18:51 ijs how many times have you seen "Core dumped." 18:51 is kind of vague, even putting the reference source aside 18:52 who says that line? why? 18:52 it's a guy who the boy and dog appeal to for help after being attacked by bees, i think. the idea was these bees were a known quantity in the ecosystem that they were adventuring in 18:52 Could be a hallucination message tied to beehives 18:52 no, I mean in nethack, who says that 18:52 OH 18:53 You hallucinate other nondescript dialogue so 18:53 when we write out Y - A - N - I, whether lowercase or uppercase, that creates an entry in aosdict's bot 18:53 it's probably either hallucination or the character thinks it to themself otherwise or it gets etched on gravestones maybe 18:53 spicycat: sure but this was correctly used 18:53 Gave her the rundown on that, yeah 18:54 oh ok 18:54 aos and umb are both right, i used it correctly but I didn't actually know about this system, so I'd take more info 18:54 of course if I look at it later I might just say "meh YASI, it says so right there" and ignore it 18:55 thjat's up to you, xNH is not as big on adding obscure nerd stuff 18:55 YANI/YASI: Using #loot towards a spellcaster or #chatting while wielding a spellbook prompts that spellcaster to offer a spellbook trade 18:55 it's a perfectly valid style choice 18:55 i like that one 18:55 Umbire: but spellcasters don't wander around with spellbooks 18:55 except priests I guess 18:55 really? 18:55 They should >:c 18:55 I presume they'd have to be peaceful 18:55 all of mine do, otherwise how do you cast the spells with the Pw alloted 18:56 Correct aos 18:56 "The angry golden naga hisses, but trades spellbooks with you. The golden naga hits!" 18:56 this bitch gets 1 force bolt and nothing else unless I make judicious wielding decisions with the books 18:56 with what hands 18:56 CNT-FAI: spellcasting monsters 18:56 not players 18:56 ahhhhhhhhhh 18:56 ye 18:56 i...mi9ght agree with Umb that they should 18:56 player monsters would count ofc 18:56 hate to say it bc i die enough 18:56 they do sometimes in fiqhack 18:56 and as stated they'd also have to be peaceful 18:56 but in fiqhack monsters and players use the same spell list 18:57 though pacifying an arch-lich with a spellbook trade is an inherently funny mental image 18:57 so hmmmm 18:57 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2222, rt[0:09:31] 18:57 imagining if you give one the Book of the Dead they'll either turn on you right there or else ecstatically like, give you Magicbane 18:57 idk how many peaceful spellcasters there even *are* 18:58 the "racial" casters, usually 18:58 but i can absolutely see the mechanic feeling natural 18:58 ah 18:58 gnomish wizards, kobold+orc shamans 18:58 things like golden nagas can be peaceful if you are lawful 18:58 fairly realistic that gnomish wizards would look out for each other, etc 18:58 yeah but they lack hands 18:58 liches are flagged as always hostile 18:58 which sux 18:58 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 18:58 you should be able to charm liches with your well-rounded education 18:59 aosdict: I know, the mental image was based off the whole "imagine trading with hostiles" 18:59 18:59 anyhow back to the pad 18:59 write a couple of these down 19:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2669, rt[0:14:40] 19:02 Tempted to make a figurine-trading YANI as well 19:02 but that'd purely be for the novelty of it 19:02 (it's NetHack, I know) 19:02 -!- {Demo} has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:03 -!- {Demo} has joined #hardfought 19:03 whoa hol up 19:03 CNT-FAI: https://www.d20pfsrd.com/races/3rd-party-races/alluria-publishing/taddol/ 19:03 CNT-FAI: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/TADDOL 19:03 there's SOMETHING I can finagle out of this but I need additional nerdpower 19:04 i bombed out of chem 2, fair warning 19:04 oh 19:04 then it might not be possible 19:05 sadface 19:05 we'll see 19:05 i'm not nefcessarily thinking about O-chem today for both fatigue and headache reasons 19:05 but don't give up entirely 19:05 that's fine, don't bust your brain if you don't have to 19:06 for now most I can think of is some kinda bonus to alchemy 19:07 oh wait they're ettin-elves 19:07 huh. 19:08 puzzle that out later, keep those tabs up 19:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 3175 points, T:4405, [0:21:19], killed by a gas spore's explosion 19:09 roger roger 19:09 might dwell on serpentfolk for a bit 19:10 ooh, wooden ring mail 19:11 that's basically studded leather armor in terms of AC 19:13 should i be training on this polearm i found 19:13 (no altar yet but i have remove curse) 19:13 Uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 19:14 skilled in polearm o: 19:14 already sounds like a no (i'm thinking like, is there some crucial task later for a wizard to have a polearm) 19:14 so yeah it's an option 19:14 Priestess, right? 19:14 wizard 19:14 oh. 19:14 hence the talk of it possibly being cursed 19:14 also skilled! 19:14 yes 19:15 ...I just never use the fuckin' things 19:15 except maybe lances 19:15 yeah i have force bolt and MM so i'll probably just sell it 19:15 I mean a non-magical ranged attack is p. baller 19:15 wizards never struck me as polearmy though 19:15 priests I get because church militant tropes 19:16 i gotta weigh it against the small margin of error i have in melee to begin with 19:16 ye 19:16 even the blessed +1 qstaff with basic skill is barely justifiable 19:16 it's a dece weapon really 19:16 the reason for avoiding melee is it usually takes a while to scrounge armor 19:17 and also low CON, STR or HP 19:17 or some combo 19:17 once you've found some compatible swag though it's your call from there 19:17 ah gotcha 19:18 ty 19:18 or *A* reason I should say 19:18 i getcha 19:20 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9936 19:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Conjurer, on T:3667 19:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:30 <@deathsushi> Once you get that magicbane.... 19:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3902 19:31 last game i spanwed next to an altar in DL1 but it wasn't int he cards 19:34 <@deathsushi> Always love those starts 19:34 <@deathsushi> But yah, I think you have to be at least lvl 3 to receive a gift 19:34 <@deathsushi> Still, you can camp and acheive that if you want 19:34 <@deathsushi> It's just a bit tedious 19:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4383 19:35 yeah I might take aim at that at some point like how evilhack did 19:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1145, rt[0:07:05] 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:11367 19:37 <@deathsushi> Take aim at camping? 19:37 <@deathsushi> How did Evil Hack deal with it? 19:38 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 619 points, T:1213, [0:09:27], killed by a falling object 19:38 ah damn it i had an uncursed ring of conflict and died from being swarmed 19:38 F 19:39 <@deathsushi> I don't see a death listed for you? 19:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 654 points, T:4446, killed by a critically wounded giant ant 19:39 <@deathsushi> Ah, unless you're looking at your items 19:39 <@deathsushi> Ah 19:39 <@deathsushi> Wouldn't the ring of conflict actually help you with being swarmed? 19:39 indeedy 19:39 Go team a! 19:39 yes that was why it was sad to learn 19:39 after dying 19:39 <@deathsushi> nods 19:39 <@deathsushi> Oh gotcha 19:39 <@deathsushi> Right 19:40 no altar this time so i didnt try on the rings 19:40 Gonna doodle and do stuff with my arc 19:40 <@deathsushi> Early game with Wiz: Developing extremely good muscle memory for engraving Elbereth 19:40 yeah i have forgotten to do that too 19:40 good point 19:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:12001 19:42 <@deathsushi> Engrave Elbereth, Secure armor, Train up Daggers 19:42 <@deathsushi> Also, get foopd 19:42 <@deathsushi> food* 19:43 ah ty 19:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Clk Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:16460 19:44 https://pastebin.com/L14FBdG9 πŸ€” 19:44 stuff to fix later ig 19:44 <@deathsushi> What's this from? 19:44 none of it's interfered any, just want to make sure terminal cries less 19:45 xnet rcfile errors 19:45 <@deathsushi> Is that from your rc or mine? I've noticed mine dumps at the end 19:45 mines 19:45 <@deathsushi> But I haven't bothered to address it because, like you said, it doesn't interfere 19:45 mine* 19:45 <@deathsushi> nods 19:45 I caught it on game start this time and decided to get nosy 19:46 <@deathsushi> Most of these are pretty easy fixes 19:46 mhm 19:48 wish the jacket occupied cloak slot 19:48 πŸ˜” 19:49 <@deathsushi> Agreed 19:49 <@deathsushi> I would totally wear a leather jacket over top of platemail 19:50 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 19:50 <@deathsushi> How does Angband hold up with Nethack? 19:50 <@deathsushi> Like, obviously they're different games, but is it as satisfying? 19:50 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1332 points, T:1180, killed by a giant mimic, while praying 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:42705 19:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 38145 points, T:14351, killed by a wounded Aleax 19:59 -!- moony has quit [Quit: Bye!] 20:00 paper bag money 20:00 Also can't say 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6045 20:07 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 20:07 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 252 seconds] 20:08 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 20:09 battery died. still having insane fatigue levels after the first vaccine shot 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 109 points, T:802, killed by a boulder 20:17 all good 20:17 <@deathsushi> How does Angband hold up with Nethack? 20:17 ^in case you have pertinent knowledge 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 145 points, T:1027, killed by an uninjured newt 20:17 yeah i do 20:17 <rld> <@deathsushi> Like, obviously they're different games, but is it as satisfying? 20:17 it really, strongly depends 20:18 if you've ever thought, i live spending literally all my time digging, but I wish it were more dramatic (hitting it big and total catastrophe being both very frequent), you're probably wasting time not playing angband rn 20:18 love* 20:19 it's also got much more interaction and dialogue, and the setting includes your hometown, which is a very differnt feel 20:19 I'd definitely play a fork if anything and there might be even more angband forks than NH 20:20 money, items and stores are much more of a classic [J]RPG experience as well 20:20 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:21 all in all I'd say most players shouldn't bother but I've met people who didn't know or care what a net hack was who went absolute apeshit for angband 20:21 Yeah *bands are all over the place 20:21 most of the types in here, I'd recommend branching out to CDDA before *bands 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 54 points, T:182, killed by an uninjured giant mimic 20:22 bc going from a modern nethack fork to any *band feels like firing up a TurboGrafx to me 20:22 CDDA? 20:23 whereas CDDA's total lack of structure other than the seasons and map, and total lack of win conditions, can be a bit of stress relief compared to most NHlikes 20:23 Cataclysm: Dark Days Ahead 20:23 Ah 20:25 it's crazy hard and, if you can believe it, even more granular than most NH forks. You can spawn with most of the human illnesses that exist, and have to determine and source your medication routine under zombie and wildlife attack. You can see every significant part of your car, HP is per limb/body area, and you have to manage your morale by eating hot food, listening to music, snacking, smoking weed etc 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed burningchrome's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:9293 20:26 It's so brutally thematic to pandemic life that I haven't picked it up since the outbreak 20:26 Feels like going to work in your dream and then waking up and going to work 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 9709 points, T:7447, killed by an uninjured pyrolisk 20:27 But if you asked me c. 2017 I'd have said it was the best RL by far 20:28 probably the main fault in the game as such is the same as the main problem with the Fox show The Last Man on Earth: depicting the nuclear disaster with any precision and care woudl require graduate degrees for both devs and players 20:28 cdda has the most convoluted crafting system 20:28 oh yeah the crafting 20:28 the environments are cool though 20:29 i played some multiplayer a couple years ago 20:29 and keep in mind the typical player builds a fortress from scratch on a farm or inside an abandoned mansion 20:29 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 20:29 meaning like there are specific commands for picking up nails and screws, organizing tools, and nailing each piece of wood 20:30 i gather dwarf fortress is similar on that front 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 9988 points, T:9459, killed by a nearly deceased panther 20:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 256 points, T:1236, killed by a dart 20:31 I quit playing because I don't like sandbox games 20:31 give me a goal pls 20:32 I had to start my hiatus because I was going to be one of those japanese type shutins otherwise 20:32 i forget the word but you know the thing 20:32 hikikomori 20:32 that's the one 20:33 just dual wield work and nolifing 20:33 now i just figure the kind of energy it would take to be good enough at it to enjoy it, I need to spend on my real-life cannabis procurement and smoking 20:33 yo luxi 20:34 hello 20:34 Hello luxidream, Welcome to #hardfought 20:34 sorry for the infodump if anyone was irritated by that but you can't say I'm not on topic this time 20:34 how's it goin' 20:34 Nah all good I was just zoned tf out as usual 20:34 it's going 20:34 though only like 20%, the rest was me catching up with series 20:34 gotta do it 20:34 but yeah it sounds... 20:35 quality wise it legitimately sounds engrossing and quite heady 20:35 I'd still play it before a *band these days 20:35 but pretty much will not be playing either 20:35 but the "brutally thematic to pandemic life" is, understandably, a nonstarter 20:35 ya 20:35 I mean I like JRPGy stuff so hey ho 20:35 you'll enjoy it once the panflute is over 20:36 <@Computer Man> did you guys get the o-chem thing done 20:36 <@Computer Man> what is/was it? 20:36 <@Computer Man> also it's raining \o/ 20:37 The Last Man on Earth is at least funny and openly nonsensical, like they went a crazy long time without addressing nuclear disaster becuase the writers literally just forgot 20:37 CNT-FAI, hmm someone else spoke highly of this CDDA on twitter too. i'll have to try it out 20:38 my ex and I theorized at the time that it was intentional and the show was depicting a terrible simulation that people were being subjected to, maybe because the people who would have told the computers to stop simulating would have died quickly 20:38 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:38 iirc it was described as highly customizable 20:38 it is, if you're willing to stick to a pretty standard New England country/city/FEMA dynamic 20:39 there are a lot of patches 20:39 I played one that adds some traditional roguelike roles, like barbarian 20:39 oops my brain died and let my terminal connecty time out 20:39 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:39 incredibly overpowered 20:40 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 20:40 lemme use this time to-- hi tommo! 20:40 a lot of the terror of a pandemic is that definitively nobody is conan 20:40 --to fix my rcf 20:40 lol hi 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 881 points, T:2078, killed by an uninjured white unicorn 20:40 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 282 points, T:591, rt[0:02:02], wc[0:02:03], killed by a dart 20:40 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:40 and the people determined to LARP him regardless are usually the first to go 20:40 anyway I will lurk and watch adeon 20:40 <@Computer Man> hi luxi 20:41 wat a friendly place 20:41 everybody knows your name, because you have a terrible addiction 20:41 <@Computer Man> we're all big frens here 20:41 <@Computer Man> hugs abound 20:41 <@Computer Man> spread the love everyone 20:42 kitten died in a pit on L1 20:43 cruel world 20:43 <@Computer Man> rip 20:43 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 414 points, T:998, rt[0:03:17], wc[0:03:18], killed by an uninjured rabid rat 20:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Kni Hum Fem Law), 9 points, T:73, rt[0:00:16], wc[0:00:17], poisoned by a rotted human corpse 20:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:44 kitten krusher strikes again 20:45 i kinda wanna watch Adeon 20:45 but i should sleep 20:45 also hi tommo o/ 20:45 hoei aoei 20:45 hey umb 20:45 <@Computer Man> hi aoei 20:45 re 20:46 ra 20:46 <@Computer Man> ri 20:46 do re mi 20:46 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 20:46 fa so la 20:46 <@Computer Man> si do 20:46 teh la-li-lu-le-lo! 20:46 tiiiiii 20:46 anyone remember "ra"jong being a thing 20:46 #hardfought gets musical 20:46 Pog to anyone who got my ref btw 20:46 like, solitare mahjong but egyptian themed 20:46 <@Computer Man> la-li-lu-le-lo 20:46 aoei: Stella? 20:46 Stella???? 20:46 STELLAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA!!! 20:46 no its not that movie 20:47 Stella is {Demo}'s account 20:47 the la-li-lu-le-lo is a thing from metal gear solid and im disappointed in all of you 20:47 he said so, so it must be true 20:47 What do you think I was referencing >:c 20:47 <@Computer Man> hey 20:47 Hello @Computer Man, Welcome to #hardfought 20:47 <@Computer Man> i did the reference after you 20:47 <@Computer Man> damn it 20:47 <@Computer Man> i was unoriginal 20:47 Umbire: a streetcare called desire obviously 20:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:27130 20:47 streetcar 20:47 https://twitter.com/0ddette/status/1375122326585507843?s=20 20:47 <@Computer Man> aoei: i got it btw 20:47 yes but also MGS 20:47 it's not my fault, I wasn't allowed to play 20:47 also a lot of in-joke irons in the fire rn 20:47 Umbire: wut 20:48 which MGS has a Stella bit in it 20:48 Snake? Snake????? etc. 20:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27131 20:48 OH 20:48 haha 20:48 and then by the time i could freely play MGS and sequels everyone else was 5x better at it 20:48 aoei you're the Stella 20:48 Umbire: ok 20:48 i get it now 20:48 * Umbire bops with newspaper 20:48 its just 20:48 <@Computer Man> Umb is Quiet 20:48 that is EXACTLY the same in streetcar called desire 20:48 that bit 20:48 i mean 20:48 you shoulda just gone with snake 20:48 something in my brain went "isn't this bit also from something else?" 20:49 'nah it's nbd, be even funnier if it is' 20:49 "bet" 20:49 but ok if you did get it 20:49 then pog 20:49 Do you want a radio yelling Snake? Because this is how you get a radio yelling Snake 20:49 CNT-FAI: do u want ants 20:49 ...I miss Jessica. 20:49 ;; 20:49 <@Computer Man> aoei: streetcar called desire? is it like the a pimp named slickback shtick? 20:49 god the pilot of that show is blow-me-down funny after you've seen all the complex shit they've done with the characters 20:50 oh god umb i keep forgetting 20:50 * Umbire cri 20:50 scatterbrain jane smh my head 20:50 well now i have to rewatch pilot 20:50 and go to bed 20:50 one thing I love about Archer is how they just straight up namedrop gladio 20:50 <@Computer Man> guys i need human interaction 20:50 Why are we talking about TV shows that aren't Star Trek? 20:50 <@Computer Man> help 20:50 among various other in-depth shit 20:50 i just love how razor sharp the interaction is 20:50 What about Star Trek? 20:50 jonadab: because Star Trek is SHIT 20:50 we all need a lot of things 20:50 I don't think we can help you there, @Computer Man. 20:50 <@Computer Man> are we talking the good Archer? 20:51 <@Computer Man> like the danger zone kind 20:51 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:51 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:51 duh 20:51 hi aoei! ^^; 20:51 hey :) 20:51 aoei: Well, yes, but all other TV shows are even worse. Usually by a lot. 20:51 legitimately unsure what other archer there could be 20:51 jonadab: untrue 20:51 <@Computer Man> well idk 20:51 doubt.jpg 20:51 jonadab: the vast majority are yes 20:51 <@Computer Man> maybe some show that is bad 20:51 but there are a few funny ones/shows with good writing 20:51 <@Computer Man> you guys ever watched The Mentalist? 20:51 i don't think looking for a lot of cultural sophistication from some accounts will be fruitful 20:52 <@Computer Man> pretty great 20:52 star trek has some nice eps but the writing is not great 20:52 aoei: Please tell me you are not one of those people who thinks America's Funniest Home Videos is hilarious. 20:52 star trek is broken now that picard (the show) exists 20:52 <@Computer Man> star trek is for nerds 20:52 Because I don't know if we could be friends. 20:52 jonadab: why would you even suggest that 20:52 man some of the vibes people throw at women in this chat have been WEIRD 20:52 why, its just memes on vhs 20:52 aoei: Just checking. 20:52 we wer ejust talking about comedies with razor sharp writing like Archer 20:52 also true tommo lol 20:52 but aoei you only know sailor moon] 20:52 You could Sturgeon p. much anything and hold up some arbitrary example as better than the 90% without any proof of accuracy and likely win over most people 20:53 If you aren't a nerd, you really, really don't belong in this channel, @Computer Man. 20:53 <@Computer Man> Archer is the only show that pretty much ever made me laugh 20:53 CNT-FAI: i think i only saw first episode 20:53 of sailor moon 20:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide elven helm of decay", on T:59362 20:53 I mean, this is a _NetHack_ channel. 20:53 Star Trek is nerdy; NetHack is *much* nerdier. 20:53 wait wait wait are we unironically gatekeeping flavors of nerd 20:53 also stop feeding the troll jonadab 20:53 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:53 yeah it's stinky in here 20:53 <@Computer Man> sheesh 20:53 on levels 20:53 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2469, rt[0:09:12] 20:53 stanky 20:54 ew 20:54 technically that is gatekeeping the channel 20:54 <@Computer Man> jonadab: gotta start wrapping things in 20:54 not the definition of nerd 20:54 very tank stop gatekeeping the nerdlevels of the chan jonadab 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Adept, on T:5295 20:54 how do enable sarcasm font 20:54 Umbire: No, no, I said "If you are not a nerd...". I didn't put qualifiers on how much of a nerd or what kind he needs to be. 20:54 <@Computer Man> change font to comic sans 20:54 * Umbire sighs and drops a drawbridge on aosdict 20:54 i buy the "technically...channel" part, the "not...nerd" part is definitionally untrue 20:54 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 mithril large splint mail of esp", on T:59375 20:54 Die? [yn] n 20:54 Ok, so you don't die. 20:54 Would that still pulp your inventory and such, though? 20:55 <@Computer Man> throw a wide angle disintegration beam at em 20:55 ...I should test that. 20:55 I mean, they're defending it now 20:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:59394 20:55 <@Computer Man> that oughta destroy inventory 20:55 Anyhow I hear good things about Star Trek but don't remember watching any of it or at minimum not really enough to have that kind of attachment to it 20:55 I'm sure it's good but I'm not into holy grailing things much as of late 20:55 <@Computer Man> holy grail Archer 20:55 (though Archer has tested my resolve in that regard) 20:55 though the guy who said the other guy may not fit here was still making some interesting points 20:55 <@Computer Man> it deserves it 20:56 <@Computer Man> how much nerdyness do you need to be a nerd 20:56 <@Computer Man> is it like, a point system 20:56 the shit that gets thrown Lana's way in particular is Not Great at times but flipside of it is I think of Carol/Cheryl reading her to sewer waste out of nowhere and for absolutely no reason 20:56 and then promptly not realizing what she did after 20:56 and I ascend 20:56 <@Computer Man> LANAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAA! 20:56 i think the show is very accurate about what those kinds of people are like 20:57 my parents were in the biz 20:57 <@Computer Man> guys 20:57 like, imagine thinking Mallory would ever recognize or appreciate anyone 20:57 i enjoy it but it takes some detachment and awareness that these people are sociopaths 20:57 <@Computer Man> has everyone watched it to the "end" 20:57 <@Computer Man> i want to talk about something 20:57 same Rif 20:57 <@Computer Man> but without spoiling 20:57 I think I last left off when Archer finally woke back up but haven't taken the time to watch since 20:58 been meaning to finish that but a lot of "my" shows fell similarly to the wayside 20:58 <@Computer Man> yeah that's where it stopped since the last time i watched 20:58 if only I had someone to talk to about the entire series up to the most recent episode. oh well 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5497 20:58 actually I should set up Kodi on here or something 20:58 wbu rif where'd you leave off 20:58 <@Computer Man> ok 20:58 <@Computer Man> here goes 20:58 i watched every episode a whole bunch of times 20:58 -!- Umbire has left #hardfought 20:58 <@Computer Man> the biggest plot twist i've seen yet is the pool thingy 20:58 he did not like that answer 20:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 198851 points, T:15437, rt[2:31:31], wc[22:57:47], quit 20:59 <@Computer Man> like it twists the cliche 20:59 <@Computer Man> and it's amazing 20:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:59 <@Computer Man> finding out he actually got shot was mindblowing 21:02 <@Computer Man> CNT-FAI: how many pages of episode discussion are you guesstimating 21:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5760 21:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:2073 21:03 <@deathsushi> What show are you guys talking about? 21:03 <@Computer Man> Archer 21:03 <@deathsushi> Ah word 21:03 <@deathsushi> Good show 21:03 <@deathsushi> Jon Benjamin rules 21:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4382, rt[0:19:26] 21:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1174, rt[0:05:03] 21:04 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 21:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5890 21:05 <@iatrocrat> is discworld good guys 21:05 <@Computer Man> yes 21:05 <@Computer Man> go read it 21:05 <@Computer Man> NOW 21:05 <@iatrocrat> im tempted to 21:06 <@iatrocrat> i never have 21:06 Discworld is another one of those Series I Hear Good Things About but haven't made proper time to check out 21:06 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 21:07 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 21:07 I do like Tourist an awful lot, feels like the most NetHacky class by far 21:07 <@iatrocrat> the only reason i know its a thing is because of this game tbh 21:07 so it's prob. up my alley 21:07 <@iatrocrat> so 21:07 Uh, might've heard of it before the game 21:07 but definitely know more about it because of NH 21:07 <@iatrocrat> ah no i said for me 21:08 Oh I know 21:08 just not the case for me 21:09 I think I first heard of it during my tumblr days in college 21:09 well deathsushi I have the troll blocked due to the whole transphobic harassment thing, so "you guys talking about" is a little strong 21:10 wjhat's actually happening there, i assume, is he's demonstrating his contempt for the agreement with the mods that lets us both enjoy the channel otherwise 21:10 but it's really none of my business anymore 21:11 Archer is actually pretty thematic to RLs though IMHO 21:11 there's sort of a "This week we're taking the Random Number God to the Monaco Grand Prix" element 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 863 points, T:1434, killed by an uninjured gnome, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:12 The Vice season was something else 21:12 <@iatrocrat> nice 21:12 <@iatrocrat> i have 3 pairs of cursed magic boots 21:12 all the same type? 21:12 i'm still working out how i feel about the jungle island one 21:12 <@iatrocrat> no 21:13 <@iatrocrat> all three are different 21:13 so at least one is levi and the other is fumbling 21:13 <@iatrocrat> and i already know elven 21:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2086, rt[0:13:57] 21:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:6061 21:13 knowing your luck-- o 21:13 also just remembered Pam's dealings with the Yakuza, lot of questions in my mind suddenly 21:14 <@iatrocrat> any good way to make use of jump btw 21:14 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2251, rt[0:15:00] 21:15 mostly as an escape tool/gap crosser early one 21:15 on* 21:15 <@iatrocrat> i see 21:15 <@iatrocrat> i don't think i've ever really used them 21:15 requires lighting and being unburdened though 21:15 so yeah you probably won't end up using it much if you're packratty unless you do some frequent fine-tooth inventory management 21:16 CNT-FAI: honestly Vice sticks in my mind most for really digging heavily into Cheryl/Carol's whole deal 21:16 and actually answering a few questions to the effect of "holy shit lady what is wrong with you" 21:17 while still leaving several more 21:17 the Cheryl arc is pretty great 21:17 excuse me 21:17 Charlene 21:17 <@iatrocrat> have you guys ever been punished btw 21:17 <@iatrocrat> i dont think i have yert 21:17 yep 21:17 irl and in nh 21:17 <@iatrocrat> in the game 21:17 <@iatrocrat> lol 21:17 just a big double barrel both over here 21:18 it's pretty true to the irl version 21:19 I can safely say I have not had the misfortune of a ball and chain being attached to my ankle 21:19 CNT-FAI: https://twitter.com/Rendy_Jones/status/1375163652291096577 21:20 @iatrocrat it's inevitably happened to me of course when I was starting out 21:20 I generally sell/blank punishment when I can 21:20 with the exception of a hypothetical Convict playthrough perhap 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Pri Hum Mal Law), 159 points, T:666, killed by a wounded brown mold 21:21 <@iatrocrat> wow's that rare 21:21 <@iatrocrat> amulet drop from a monster 21:21 somewhat rare yeah 21:21 <@iatrocrat> well not rare 21:21 <@iatrocrat> but unexpected 21:21 death drop or worn tho 21:21 <@iatrocrat> death drop 21:22 <@iatrocrat> nice 21:22 <@iatrocrat> its ESP 21:22 sick 21:22 <@iatrocrat> which i needed because i have a cursed pair of glasses on 21:22 wait those blind you when cursed? 21:22 <@iatrocrat> no 21:22 or do they like limit your sight range 21:22 <@iatrocrat> but they make you unable to take them off to blind yourself 21:22 ah yeah that much tracks 21:22 <@iatrocrat> so you can use telepathy 21:23 overthought it 21:23 CNT-FAI: details like the one alluded to in that clip I linked are ultimately never gonna be explained and it's all the better for it 21:23 ya 21:23 activates the lil almond seed in my head 21:24 it's an antidote to the whole "We made a 23 film series about the guy who delivers mail to the Fight Club" thing with all media today 21:24 the rich and awful people are protagonists simply so that we can all enjoy terrible things happening to/between them 21:25 <@iatrocrat> alright 21:25 <@iatrocrat> god now gave me snickersnee 21:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:3731, rt[0:26:05] 21:26 -!- Pinkbeast has joined #hardfought 21:26 <@Computer Man> man look at this stuff 21:26 <@Computer Man> i literally said "let's talk archer" 21:26 <@Computer Man> and now i'm assumed to be very angree 21:27 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28 wait what role are you now 21:28 <@Computer Man> also, the tinnitus gag is great 21:28 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:26638 21:28 obvs something lawful but what 21:29 CNT-FAI: while I am confident a spinoff with like, Pam would never really happen and am mostly grateful for that fact 21:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 11901 points, T:5814, killed by a killer bee 21:29 it is also the hypothetical I would be most interested in 21:29 they're each human in a very specific part of their lives 21:29 after Cheryl/Carol/Charlene/Christ but you know 21:29 Lana painfully so 21:29 literally a whole season of that 21:29 oh lord hard agree 21:30 but Pam is the closest to like 21:30 sharing the norms of the species at large 21:30 is this the part where we start talking about the characters like we're aliens 21:30 bc I'm down, just need to grab more food 21:31 <@Computer Man> let's talk like psychologists 21:31 <@Computer Man> dissect their psyches 21:34 salad get 21:34 <@iatrocrat> what are the chances of some random armor being enchanted btw 21:35 uh, not something I'd know off the dome 21:35 but wiki likely has something 21:35 blessed armor is more likely to be enchanted but you can still find like 21:35 fuckin' +5 rubber gloves or s/t 21:35 <@Computer Man> Umbire: what salad 21:35 <@Computer Man> +5 rubber chicken 21:36 anyway back to dissecting archer: 21:36 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:4615, rt[0:36:51] 21:36 CNT-FAI: Cyril honestly strikes me as "guy who thinks he could be Elon Musk" 21:36 as opposed to "guy who would actually have a chance to be Elon Musk" 21:36 maybe, but the show comes as close to having Musk as a canon character that I wouldn't look too hard for that in the protags 21:36 they correctly recognize that he is one of the few people more evil on an existential level 21:36 yeah I'm not going balls deep with it, just off the cuff observation 21:37 he's got empathy problems for sure 21:37 yeah nothing more evil than a resentful tech-savvy nerd with government connects 21:37 big dick cis disorder 21:37 <@Computer Man> umbire 21:37 <@Computer Man> what 21:37 <@Computer Man> salad 21:37 <@Computer Man> pls 21:37 is it rly that important lol 21:37 <@Computer Man> yes 21:37 <@Computer Man> i'm very curious about your meal 21:38 santa fe ig 21:38 CNT-FAI: that archetype reviles me the most in particular bc I was a few stone skips away from that 21:38 and am acutely more aware of it with every passing day 21:39 for like, the past 3+ 21:39 years 21:39 well, the protags' flaws are all connected to universal aspects of the human experience IMO 21:39 er 21:39 not all, but *each* 21:39 naturally 21:39 as should be the case more often than not 21:39 <@iatrocrat> crap 21:39 <@iatrocrat> just wasted my only unholy water 21:40 <@iatrocrat> oh well 21:40 <@Computer Man> rip 21:40 <@Computer Man> cmon umb, i can only imagine a salad bowl at the moment, picture it 21:40 <@iatrocrat> not like i use those anyway for the most part 21:40 <@Computer Man> !8ball should i learn the harmonica 21:40 @Computer Man: You may rely on it 21:40 <@Computer Man> ooo 21:40 <@deathsushi> I like having about three or so for things like genocide scrolls and destroy armor scrolls 21:40 <@Computer Man> that's kinda cool 21:41 <@iatrocrat> idk how you actually acquire them 21:41 <@iatrocrat> consistently 21:42 it's tough 21:42 because the game doesn't let your character be Jewish 21:42 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:56478 21:43 <@Computer Man> how is that in any shape or form a "joke" 21:43 <@iatrocrat> and crap just eroded the scare monster scroll that i put ont he goddamn altar 21:43 <@iatrocrat> why do i alway forget 21:43 <@iatrocrat> to not pick up every random scroll 21:43 <@deathsushi> Ha I do that too 21:43 <@iatrocrat> oh well 21:43 <@Computer Man> damn muscle memory 21:43 I genuinely don't get the joke 21:43 <@deathsushi> I set my display settings to make it REALLY OBVIOUS which one is the scare monster scroll 21:43 but then I'm not Jewish so 21:44 <@Computer Man> right? 21:44 had to be there ig 21:44 (from birth) 21:44 <@Computer Man> it's some obscure joke without a punchline 21:44 <@iatrocrat> @deathsushi dude for me its like 21:44 <@Computer Man> just like the other one 21:44 <@Computer Man> where we had to guess 21:44 <@iatrocrat> just a regular ? 21:44 I mean that's how in-jokes work 21:44 <@iatrocrat> i wonder how you change it 21:44 she has a reference pool I don't 21:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:56509 21:44 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class ;, on T:56510 21:44 <@deathsushi> LEt me find you the line in my nethrc 21:44 I'm not even complaining anyway I'm just really curious about the punchline 21:44 <@Computer Man> me too 21:45 <@iatrocrat> i would really appreciate in man 21:45 <@deathsushi> #WATCH OUT WHEN DROPPING UNCURSED MENUCOLOR="scare monster"=blue&underline 21:45 <@deathsushi> (The top part is just a comment so I know why I have that menu color there) 21:45 <@Computer Man> but alas, i'll probably be called unpleasant names and completely ignored 21:45 huh, should double check and see if I have that 21:45 <@Computer Man> go figure 21:45 <@iatrocrat> do you have one for cancellation too 21:45 <@iatrocrat> bet you do 21:45 <@deathsushi> Yup, let me track that down 21:45 <@deathsushi> ############################## # WATCH OUT, BAG OF HOLDING! # ############################## MENUCOLOR=" bag .* tricks"=red&underline MENUCOLOR=" wand .[^!]canc"=red&underline MENUCOLOR=" wand . vanish"=blue&underline MENUCOLOR=".cancel."=red&underline 21:45 <@Computer Man> just have autopickup on so it doesn't take scare monster 21:45 <@deathsushi> Underline all the nasties for BoH, and make them red 21:45 CNT-FAI: I've noted Jewish humor in general is very much morbid and/or 21:45 <@Computer Man> i used to have a nice rc with all those underlines and stuff 21:46 irreverent is the word I'm looking for 21:46 <@Computer Man> man i miss all that 21:46 <@iatrocrat> tbh i actually gave myself menucolors for uncursed items 21:46 maybe even fatalistic to a degree, dunno if that's accurate? 21:46 <@iatrocrat> am i the only one who did that 21:46 <@Computer Man> dark humor is universal 21:46 <@Computer Man> and the best kind, incidentally 21:46 <@deathsushi> I just use white for uncursed 21:46 <@deathsushi> Unless it's a nasty, or whatever 21:46 <@iatrocrat> what about for unknown items 21:47 also wrt scare monster I try to avoid dropping it for that specific reason 21:47 and formally ID first chance I get 21:47 <@deathsushi> oatmeal: I just leave those white 21:47 <@deathsushi> But, if I name it "cur" then it's red 21:47 <@iatrocrat> oh 21:47 <@iatrocrat> i see 21:47 <@iatrocrat> for me like 21:47 <@iatrocrat> i made cursed red, uncursed green, and blessed cyan 21:48 yeah, people use "cur" as a common shorthand for cursed 21:48 <@iatrocrat> and unknown just left it as the default grey 21:48 so that's why, say, my book of cure sickness from another game went red 21:48 <@Computer Man> is curry cursed food 21:48 <@deathsushi> HEre's my whole nhrc, if you want to look through it: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Deathsushi/nethack/Deathsushi.nhrc 21:48 <@deathsushi> Borrowed a lot from other players 21:49 <@deathsushi> Getting that set up was like a 6000% upgrade from my earlier experience 21:49 <@deathsushi> And discovering curses interface 21:49 <@Computer Man> phew 21:49 <@Computer Man> going into curses is a hell of an upgrade 21:49 <@deathsushi> Yah eh 21:49 oh yeah I should finish tweaking the file I got from sushi to begin with 21:49 <@Computer Man> perminv and all the fun stuff is very nice 21:49 SYMBOLS=S_ghost:8,S_golem:7 21:49 * Line 88: Error in SYMBOLS definition 'S_ghost'. 21:49 <@deathsushi> Oh yeah, let's look taht up 21:50 <@iatrocrat> i still play noncursed 21:50 xNet has ghosts as W by default now so no point in that 21:50 <@iatrocrat> got too used to it 21:50 <@deathsushi> This is listed on the wiki: SYMBOLS=S_ghost:8 21:50 <@deathsushi> Wonder why that isn't working 21:51 >xNet has ghosts as W by default now so no point in that 21:51 <@deathsushi> Yah, that's fine too 21:51 <@deathsushi> But vanilla doesn't support that 21:52 Why it isn't working I can't explain but it's superfluous in that context anyway 21:52 <@deathsushi> And, I don't like just dumping stuff without understanding why it isn't working πŸ˜„ 21:52 wait no, maybe it just had to be its own line 21:52 <@deathsushi> That's what I'm thinking too 21:52 rather than tacked onto the golem bit 21:52 <@deathsushi> Trying that out 21:52 <@iatrocrat> have you guys ever broken your wands on accident too 21:52 <@iatrocrat> already fixed that 21:52 <@deathsushi> I usually catch that 21:52 <@deathsushi> But set a paranoid setting on it I think 21:52 <@deathsushi> Umbire, can you post the dumplog you catptured again? 21:52 <@iatrocrat> i still keep messing it up lol which is why i used paranoid 21:52 v. rare occasions 21:52 uh, sure 21:52 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 21:53 <@deathsushi> ty 21:53 <@deathsushi> oatmeal: I searched for quite a while to find a paranoid setting for eating a cockatrice corpse, after that ended a near ascension 21:53 <@deathsushi> And what I can tell you, is that there is no setting for that πŸ˜„ 21:54 sent, be sure to copy and paste 21:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:56825 21:54 <@Computer Man> the nicest config is changing boulders to 0 21:54 <@Computer Man> having them as * is a nightmare 21:54 <@deathsushi> ` 21:54 <@deathsushi> That's silly 21:54 <@iatrocrat> i think ive ended like most of my potentially good runs to floating eyes 21:55 OPTIONS=checkspace 21:55 * Line 158: Unknown option 'checkspace'. 21:55 Let's see what that's about 21:55 <@iatrocrat> so i just use caps lock when moves through dark cooridoors now 21:55 <@deathsushi> Yah, I use _ to fast travel usually 21:55 <@deathsushi> Or ctrl 21:55 <@iatrocrat> idk what ctrl does vs caps 21:56 <@iatrocrat> i only really use _ 21:56 <@iatrocrat> or shift 21:56 <@deathsushi> Taht just doesn't need to be there 21:56 Might be that ghosts are folded into the wraith monster class 21:56 <@deathsushi> CTRL stops a space before a monster 21:56 <@deathsushi> Rather than right up against it 21:56 <@deathsushi> And has a few other differences 21:56 so there's no "ghost" for S_ghost to define 21:56 <@Computer Man> just have o as fast travel 21:56 <@Computer Man> like in dcss 21:56 in xNet anyway 21:57 <@deathsushi> Ah got it 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 3046290 points, T:56867, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1615984805.evil.html 21:57 <@Computer Man> umbire can i ask you a question 21:57 <@deathsushi> That makes sense. Right, so this works in nh3.7, but not xn 21:57 <@Computer Man> grats rebatela! 21:57 if you want 21:57 <@deathsushi> GG Rebatela 21:57 gg rebatela 21:57 <@deathsushi> Checkspace checks disk space and is not reelvant 21:57 ty 21:57 <@Computer Man> what kind of salad are you eating 21:57 <@iatrocrat> gonna go take a look and see what the differences area 21:57 <@iatrocrat> seems intriguing 21:57 I answered this question how long ago? 21:57 <@Computer Man> oh, you did? 21:57 <@Computer Man> i missed it 21:57 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:57 <@Computer Man> oops 21:58 @deathsushi anyhow yeah, aosdict fixes that out of box as one of the many qol changes 21:58 <@deathsushi> Looks like the magenta issue is because it doesnt' accept inline comments 21:58 You said checkspace is for checking space, right? 21:58 which would make sense on a local install 21:58 not so much on a server 21:59 (disk space specifically) 21:59 so 99% guess is "remove that, nbd" 21:59 I'll probably keep it for transplanting to my local installs though 21:59 <@deathsushi> Yah, that one is gone 22:00 <@deathsushi> Not sure about Line 498, underline being an invalid color. It looks like you don't need to specify a color, and can simply choose the font change 22:02 Hold on a sec 22:03 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 22:04 <@deathsushi> I suspect you need & in front of underline 22:04 <@deathsushi> Otherwise it attempts to parse it as a color 22:05 <@deathsushi> Although... the example on the wiki doesn't indicate that. Hmm 22:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5756 22:05 <@iatrocrat> man 22:06 <@iatrocrat> i should really change ghosts and shades too 22:06 <@deathsushi> Yah, it's annoying seeing nothing 22:06 <@iatrocrat> i remember like 22:06 SYMBOLS=S_ghost:8 22:06 ^That's the standard option 22:06 <@iatrocrat> accidentally killing my pet mastodon 22:06 <@deathsushi> Ghost == Snowman 22:06 yeah you're not wrong Umb 22:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:07 most of our practice boils down to "look at us all not getting murdered today, well, let's eat" 22:08 wait this the thing re: humor I mentioned? 22:08 <@iatrocrat> set ghosts to 8 and shades to 9 22:08 <@iatrocrat> should be alright from now on 22:08 bc yeah I had an inkling 22:09 ya 22:09 ooh 22:09 i'm plagiarizing some comedians i dont remember the names of there 22:09 <@deathsushi> How did you grab that dump Umbire? I'm trying to load and quit and see if these options are working 22:10 oh lol uh 22:10 I just scrolled up on my terminal 22:10 :B 22:10 you gotta make sure your god still likes you 22:10 I normally don't bother too since why would you 22:10 otherwise it wont work 22:10 <@deathsushi> Oh yup, that's all I needed to do 22:10 <@deathsushi> Thanks 22:10 but then I saw the specific error long enough 22:11 and I'm like "you know lemme learn rcediting so I can pick this apart and pull it out" 22:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:11 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:12 <@deathsushi> So inline comments (# at the end of a sequence) throw errors 22:12 <@deathsushi> Remove all those and that fixes that 22:12 <@deathsushi> &underline still throws an error for a lack of color 22:12 I figure that's the easy eay 22:12 way* 22:12 but I wanna see if I can't tweak additional stuff along the way to suit my tastes 22:13 I am also predictably multitasking as usual 22:13 <@Shadow_Rider> Is there no way to turn on wiz mode on a server? 22:13 <@Shadow_Rider> Would make sense ig 22:13 <@deathsushi> The wiki shows you can not specify colour and just the text treatment, but that doesnt' seem to actually be working. 22:14 If there is I wouldn't know either 22:14 I don't mind offline testing anyway 22:14 "offline"& 22:14 * 22:14 etrhtjy 22:14 Anyway toggled autodig on 22:15 will use [O] to toggle on and off mid-game at my discretion 22:15 OPTIONS=disclose:+i +a +v +g +c 22:15 ^ ? 22:16 i feel like autopickup made mine choke up a little 22:17 <@deathsushi> Good call on autodig 22:17 <@deathsushi> disclose controls the prompts at the end of the game 22:17 <@deathsushi> "Do you want your inventory identified?" 22:17 <@deathsushi> etc. 22:17 ooooooooooh 22:17 so this is generally the default, yeah 22:18 ? 22:18 <@deathsushi> + means it discloses it without prompting 22:18 <@deathsushi> So just show me all the stuff 22:18 <@deathsushi> Don't prompt me 22:18 ok 22:18 oh im gonna die of FoodPois 22:18 tainted corpse? 22:18 <@deathsushi> pray 22:18 nah i had just prayed for nutrition 22:18 This is a wizard right? 22:18 it is done 22:18 ya 22:18 <@deathsushi> erk 22:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 59 points, T:428, poisoned by a rotted goblin corpse 22:18 oh RIP 22:18 F 22:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] slarty (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 348 points, T:2423, killed by an uninjured wererat, while praying 22:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:27951 22:18 im doin wizards now 22:18 !lastgame cntfai 22:18 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/CntFai/xnethack/dumplog/1616718862.xnh.html 22:19 I wish I could do a wizard 22:19 I wish I was also good at playing wizards 22:19 <@deathsushi> Wiz can be a tough early game 22:19 lol i accidentally made a samurai so i guess that's happening 22:19 i'm learning from each death though 22:19 <@deathsushi> So squishy 22:19 oh you JUST just started that Wiz 22:19 yeah 22:19 one fo the first thigns that happened was the kitten dying in a pit 22:19 so i figured it might be doomed 22:19 I keep forgetting you get two extra spellbooks in exchange for the busted potions/rings/scrolls selection 22:19 wizard-kitten=yike 22:20 yeah its pretty sick 22:20 starting magic missile is almost equivalently sick 22:20 you just can only cast it once, and only if you're gripping the book 22:20 so you gotta tetris it 22:21 <@deathsushi> Yah, starting MM is amazing 22:21 Umb no pressure but I don't suppose you'd be willing to coach me through this samurai 22:21 it's been 22:21 uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 22:21 uhhh it was literally the bush era last time 22:21 <@deathsushi> Umbire: You got a rep now! 22:21 lol 22:21 prioritize katana and hit stuff until it dies 22:21 <@deathsushi> Shouldn't have helped me with those first couple of ascensions! 22:21 gotcha 22:21 lul 22:21 lemme just watch directly 22:21 the yumi is what, for the mines? 22:22 Yumi is your ranged option 22:22 yeah 22:22 i remembered that part 22:22 you can save it for mines if you like or playing general keepaway 22:22 oh okay 22:22 wait you're digging up the place somehow 22:23 no im not 22:23 or 22:23 thats literally just a path 22:23 that first room looked dug up 22:23 nah 22:23 walls are weird 22:23 <@iatrocrat> apparently shades can't be given a new symbol 22:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class m, on T:28073 22:23 what's the issue? 22:24 none i just thought maybe i'd forgotten something 22:24 sounds pretty straightforward though 22:24 no I mean oatmeal 22:24 ohhhh 22:24 but i do always wonder why i have the short sword 22:24 it's your secondary 22:24 used to be a glorified lockpick in vanilla but in general short swords are solid offhand weapons 22:24 for #twoweapon 22:25 ohhhhhhhh its for akimbo ok 22:25 thing is most Sams go for excal 22:25 oh right like irl lol 22:25 yeah that makes sense 22:25 so the katana replaces it almost immediately 22:25 since it's even better as offhand 22:25 okay so the issue is that if you develop the twoweapon you're like wasting skill slots 22:25 <@deathsushi> Boom done, fixed those errors 22:25 under the excal theory 22:25 nice 22:25 I mean not necessarily 22:26 in fact not at all if you go Excalkatana 22:26 both use longsword skill 22:26 <@deathsushi> Summary: Remove all inline comments, remove lines that don't include a colour, remove a few options that aren't enabled 22:26 oh right 22:26 <@iatrocrat> Umbire: so idk why 22:26 okay 22:26 (though a katana is NOT a long sword, for novice dippers reading) 22:26 <@iatrocrat> SYMBOLS=S_shade:9 doesn't work 22:26 I feel like it's because of the S_ghost pointer being used for the monclass 22:26 lol here it comes again 22:26 Do shades have that 22:26 <@deathsushi> Are you in ex Oatmeal? 22:27 <300 turns 22:27 F 22:27 oh tight 22:27 Oh huh 22:27 god fixed it 22:27 I'm used to turn <300 in vanilla for safe praying though 22:27 aosdict: what's the change wrt to that 22:27 wrt that* 22:27 btw aosdict i really like "You've already found a monster" and "Are you waiting to get hit?" 22:28 those are vanillaisms now but ye, good stuff 22:28 oh shit i didnt realize 22:28 it's aight 22:28 xnh pulls from 3.7dev so 22:28 on top of adding other things 22:28 also the hall thing was my display acting up, soz 22:29 ahhhh 22:30 no worries just interesting to learn 22:31 were doggo 22:31 where* 22:31 good q 22:31 when playing "hit until ded" melee classes like this you usually wanna test armor asap 22:31 esp. if you have a pet 22:32 oh right the pet test 22:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3215 22:32 nice 22:32 both good 22:32 I usu. drop on separate squares to be safe 22:32 <@deathsushi> Same 22:32 makes sense 22:32 anyway early stealth is a boon 22:33 forgive the few seconds idle here and there im figuring out my background tv noise 22:33 np 22:34 @deathsushi line 469 just needs a line break 22:34 <@deathsushi> 22:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:8554, rt[1:35:19] 22:34 <@deathsushi> Which one was that? 22:34 Notepad++ is so goated 22:34 unihorn highlighting 22:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "3 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:8555, rt[1:35:51] 22:35 test the potion 22:35 <@deathsushi> Yes β€” just needed the # on a separate line 22:35 yep, hence the line break 22:35 <@deathsushi> If you move all those inline # to a separate line, it resolves each of them 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:4131 22:35 Right 22:35 <@deathsushi> I was thinking NH rc parser supported inline comments 22:35 <@deathsushi> But then I was proven a MORON 22:35 <@deathsushi> πŸ˜„ 22:36 lol 22:36 gd this dog is going literally everywhere except that tile 22:36 I generally pet test potions then #apply to rule out oil 22:36 but no message about hesitating 22:36 <@deathsushi> That's usually a good indicator 22:36 see that usually means its cursed 22:36 okay 22:36 oh 22:36 but it can also be dum pet pathing 22:36 so I usually stick it in a hallway for good measure 22:36 oh right 22:36 if the pet doesn't follow me in, cursed 90% 22:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:10466 22:37 moving only "hesitantly" or "reluctantly" only occurs if they step on it in the first place 22:37 more common with leashed pets 22:37 or if something they want is on that square ig 22:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] yoleo531 (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:11809 22:37 among other shiz 22:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed ezion's ghost, the former Novice, on T:4453 22:38 oooooh 22:38 pet test that for sure 22:38 noncursed, good 22:39 <@deathsushi> Okay, I need to make some dinner and a cocktail 22:39 <@deathsushi> Bonsoir! 22:39 The "let me know I'm wearing gloves thing" threw up an error 22:39 oh later 22:39 <@deathsushi> Yah, the gloves thing I just added in a color 22:39 <@deathsushi> green&underline 22:40 <@deathsushi> Annoyingly, that wipes out my other set colour, but at least I KNOW FOR SURE before I pick up a footrice πŸ˜„ 22:40 icic 22:40 what's your skill tree look like again? 22:40 @Rif 22:40 idk but this dog is pissin me off 22:41 ah 22:41 yeah pets can be a hassle early in terms of catching up 22:41 Sam get speed at XL7 I think too? 22:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4769 22:43 you can kick that tree if you need more food 22:43 though mind the bees 22:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4977 22:43 i like to get food and/or eucalyptus leaves 22:43 Set down the egg 22:43 let dog eat it 22:44 I usually leave them for the dogs because I forget and let them rot 22:44 or else try to hatch them and they rot anyway bc eatin' eggs 22:44 undead turning can rejuvenate eggs though 22:45 close one, could've been bitten 22:46 ok soi 22:46 so* 22:46 nice one fingers. 22:46 so I usually swap to maining the katana for harder foes 22:46 gotcha 22:46 two-weapon the weaker stuff to train 22:46 it's for to-hit's sake mostly 22:46 ^X again 22:46 switches to primary 22:47 you mean x 22:47 that was just x but that works too 22:47 oh okay 22:47 x swaps, X begins and ends twoweapon 22:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 2 points, T:30, killed by a falling rock 22:47 no ^ needed 22:47 get to prayin 22:47 i am now holding nothing and bitten 22:48 that was create monster 22:48 also wield your katana! 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 5211 points, T:5690, killed by an uninjured dingo, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:48 feck 22:48 you just dropped your short sword for some reason and left the katana in the offhand 22:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "marker", on T:9105, rt[1:49:23] 22:48 was working as fast as possible on what you said to do 22:48 as i understood it 22:48 ah 22:48 step at a time, thinking is a free action 22:49 okay 22:49 there ya go 22:49 remember you can use x to swap hands and weapons 22:50 i gotta stretch, eat and medicate 22:50 npnp 22:50 i appreciate the overwatch 22:50 glad to do favors 22:51 PM me when you get back 22:51 k tx 22:52 @deathsushi lemme know when you get back how you resolved the Amulet thingy 23:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:10227, rt[2:05:14] 23:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:10229, rt[2:05:16] 23:05 thought the text display was still catching up that was so fast 23:05 also am watching u now 23:06 Sometimes I wonder why fire ants and giants don't cross the lava 23:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:16040 23:07 they're resistant but doesnt mean they are able to like 23:08 swim across it, yeah 23:08 forget what governs it 23:08 only salamanders can do that 23:08 iirc 23:08 o: 23:08 <{Demo}> fire elementals 23:08 <{Demo}> as well 23:08 guess I'll peek at their code then 23:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) had a steel short sword entrusted to her by Set, on T:16260 23:10 ah demo thanks 23:10 who we watchin 23:10 Tommo atm 23:10 wordo 23:11 looks to be polypilin' 23:11 got my sandwich half and my pills together now i gotta stretch and pack a bowl 23:11 enjoy 23:11 I need to make dinner too 23:11 thanks alwyas gotta #twoweapon my condition 23:12 what timezone's {Demo} in I actually never thought to ask 23:13 oof honduras nearly sliced up canada just now 23:13 pardon? 23:13 oh the other background video feed is the soccer qualifying for olympicos 23:13 over here 23:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 326 points, T:480, killed by a dagger 23:14 Oh fΓΊtbol 23:14 <@iatrocrat> oh yeah 23:14 (is the accent right) 23:14 <@iatrocrat> forgot 23:14 it is 23:14 <@deathsushi> Basically just added in magenta colour 23:14 awesome 23:14 <@iatrocrat> there's a grappling hook 23:14 <@deathsushi> Oh wait 23:14 <@iatrocrat> is there any point to the grappling ook 23:15 <@deathsushi> No, I removed bold 23:15 Ah 23:15 <@deathsushi> So that there was just one text modifier 23:15 So you can't bold and underline simultaneously 23:15 <@deathsushi> That's right 23:15 or is it just that you syntax'd wrong 23:15 o 23:15 <@deathsushi> That's possible, but I couldn't figure out why 23:15 @iatrocrat basically a means of pulling small mons and items over to you, pull yourself over to monsters 23:15 climb out of pits, etc. 23:16 <@deathsushi> I never use that hook 23:16 I almost never use it if I find it unless I'm doing like, significant levitation 23:16 or need to snag something while flying 23:16 which, p. corner for me 23:16 <@deathsushi> Considering how rarely it gens, it's largely irrelevant 23:16 the hook is good u didnt used to get that in arc runs 23:16 <@iatrocrat> i guess it might be useful for a priest 23:16 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 23:16 yeah it's good for pits and such 23:16 <@iatrocrat> theoretically 23:16 since you get it from the start you get more incentive to use it 23:17 could probably brain some stuff with more arc play 23:17 aosdict: Any arcs ascended on xnh yet 23:17 (hi Amy) 23:17 well, you have to be willing to reshape your mind to add a new element to your tactics 23:17 it's not easy for me 23:17 can understand, similarly for me 23:17 <@iatrocrat> ill admit that keys used to seem useless to me 23:17 <@deathsushi> polymorphs mind 23:18 <@iatrocrat> tll i just started locking enemies behind doors etc 23:18 <@deathsushi> Yah 23:18 <@deathsushi> And keeping them out of shops, etc. 23:18 <@iatrocrat> now i just spam keys on everything 23:18 !tell amateurhour cloak of peace highlights peaceful monsters green. the question about that sling you can answer for yourself and already did :P and the wiki says that you *drop* amulets into toilets, just like you drop rings into sinks 23:18 LarienTelrunya: Messages from amateurhour have been forwarded to you privately. 23:18 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 23:18 morning Umbire 23:19 bro these xorns and rusties are out of control 23:19 what is the voice that I apparently have in other people's heads, I hope it doesn't sound like mickey mouse or something? :P 23:19 theyll eat your face if its metal somehow 23:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:10913, rt[2:20:15] 23:20 <@iatrocrat> well 23:20 <@iatrocrat> i got sunsword instead 23:21 Xorns are assholes 23:21 <@deathsushi> Boo sunsword 23:21 Sunsword is Aightβ„’ 23:21 what was your role again... 23:22 <@iatrocrat> samurai 23:22 ah 23:22 that's not too bad actually 23:22 <@deathsushi> A permanent light source is nice. I wish you didn't have to wield it, but it's okay 23:22 it'll hold the primary slot for excal until you actually get it to twoweapon or whatever with it 23:23 <@iatrocrat> i havent used excal actually lol 23:23 <@iatrocrat> ive been using snickersnee the whole time 23:23 <@deathsushi> It's better than nothing. The trouble I find is that by the time it's ability would be really relevant (Gehennom), you have better choices 23:24 <@deathsushi> Excal is solid 23:24 <@deathsushi> Free searching is... real good 23:24 <@deathsushi> Or just saves you time at least 23:24 nice 23:24 that time is significant 23:24 <@deathsushi> !whereis CNT-FAI 23:24 cumulatively 23:24 @deathsushi: CNT-FAI is not playing. 23:24 <@luxidream> sunsword sucks 23:24 <@deathsushi> !whereis cntfai 23:24 im watching tommo 23:24 @deathsushi: cntfai is not playing. 23:24 <@deathsushi> Yas 23:24 low level sam currently 23:25 <@luxidream> just getting that out there 23:25 <@deathsushi> Where are you playing CNT-FAI? 23:25 <@deathsushi> luxiderp: Feel good? Cathartic? 23:25 i play X on US, i'm in New Jersey 23:25 <@deathsushi> You aren't showing up in my listing 23:25 <@deathsushi> !whois 23:25 <@deathsushi> !who 23:25 @deathsushi: [hdf-us] Frozty [nh370] KrO2 [dnh] Draco [slex] telegarn [evil] Tommo [seed] | [hdf-eu] microlance [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 23:25 i'm watching tommo 23:25 <@deathsushi> Ahw ord 23:26 <@deathsushi> This is my least favourite form of maze in Gen 23:26 i mentioned i gotta stretch and pack a bowl, and in my building that means going outsdie 23:26 I mean Snickersnee is also p. nice 23:26 if a bit underwhelming generally 23:26 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:11235, rt[2:27:08] 23:26 <@deathsushi> Make sure you smoke it after the packing 23:26 L 23:26 that'll be crucial yes 23:26 it's the little things in life 23:27 <{Demo}> smoke tha pack yessir 23:27 <@deathsushi> Is Tommo speed running? 23:28 <@deathsushi> His gear looks pretty bad 23:28 disint res 23:28 yay 23:28 also yeah they're speedrunning 23:29 <@deathsushi> Makes sense then 23:29 -6 is p. fine coupled with OoF honestly 23:30 <@deathsushi> Once you get up towards the plane that gets a bit dicey, no? 23:31 Well to my understanding, ideally you're not fighting much on the Plans 23:31 Planes* 23:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 106438 points, T:20199, petrified by a basilisk 23:31 <@iatrocrat> also just a dumb question 23:31 <@deathsushi> Right 23:31 <@deathsushi> It's true 23:31 meh there's been dumber 23:31 <@deathsushi> The last two times I was at the astral planes, I was getting hammered, but that might have been because I had less teleport wands available 23:32 But yeah, speedruns tend toward breaking telewands to clear a path and only fight where necessary 23:32 <@iatrocrat> what turn count do you guys usually finish soko 23:32 iunnolol 23:32 <@deathsushi> Hmmm I have no idea 23:32 Generally don't keep track 23:32 <@deathsushi> Same 23:32 <@deathsushi> How come? 23:32 <@luxidream> deathsushi: I did a speedrun with 7 ac for most of the game 23:32 <@deathsushi> Luxi is about turn 50 23:32 6k-10k perhaps maybe 23:32 <@iatrocrat> i usually just scum for tousands of turns at the altar 23:32 <@deathsushi> luxiderp That's cray 23:32 <@iatrocrat> and finish and 20k 23:32 <@iatrocrat> lol 23:33 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:11594, rt[2:33:46] 23:33 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:11594, rt[2:33:47] 23:33 It's not that wild really, but it might surprise you what you can finish the game with 23:33 <@luxidream> I dunno I think it's pretty wild 23:33 <@luxidream> not like you've done it :p 23:33 <@deathsushi> I did a Monk asc at -28 23:33 <@deathsushi> And I got smacked around a lot once I hit the astral plane 23:33 <@deathsushi> I had to wish for potions of full healing 23:34 <@iatrocrat> i mean 23:34 i think my best is like 0-2 ac on a healer asc 23:34 <@iatrocrat> i dont explore below d8 23:34 <@deathsushi> Oh, and I ended up wishing for a OoF 23:34 <@iatrocrat> until ive scummed thoroughly 23:34 <@iatrocrat> because of poly traps 23:34 <@deathsushi> oatmeal: It's worth heading to soko 23:34 <@deathsushi> For the food, the wands, the rings 23:34 <@iatrocrat> i do it only for soko though 23:34 <@iatrocrat> yeah 23:34 how did you get by air plane with 7 ac luxi? 23:34 <@deathsushi> bugle? 23:35 <@deathsushi> You can avoid a lot of fighting that way 23:35 <@deathsushi> Does bugle work on the mobs in the astral plane? 23:35 <@iatrocrat> by not getting hit 23:35 air elementals also have low mon MR iirc 23:35 <@iatrocrat> jk 23:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 23:35 <@luxidream> astral monsters are higher mr 23:35 <@luxidream> so it doesn't work too well there 23:35 I mean that's what it amounts to end of the day Crat 23:35 Astral's where you break out tele wands 23:35 then break them 23:35 perhaps, i just surf on my keys on astral facesmashing 23:35 <@deathsushi> Breaking them rather than zapping them eh? 23:36 breaking's AOE around you, generally preferable in most sitches 23:36 <@luxidream> no 23:36 <@luxidream> I usually break on the last charge, or not at all 23:36 <@deathsushi> Right 23:36 also yeah I haven't done it luxi but I've watched you a lot, you surprise me so often it gets a bit difficult to maintain perspective 23:37 <@deathsushi> Zap, walk or jump, get down to bottom, then apply it 23:37 i never really break tele wands on astral either. only if i dont got conflict and is super weak. 23:37 <@deathsushi> Surprised Orcus isn't zapping Tommo here 23:38 No Orcus Town for them yet that I noticed 23:38 <@deathsushi> He was just there 23:39 Well you have to get a ways in the town to get Orcus's attention 23:39 I'll just keep watching and see where they take it 23:39 probably catch what floor it was on 23:39 lord im so tired 23:39 Nice minoplay 23:40 <@deathsushi> He was fighting Orcus and Orcus stung him 23:40 <@deathsushi> Which is why I was surprised he didn't zap him with the WoD 23:40 <@deathsushi> Since he was already in combat with him 23:40 Probably the whole "in melee range" deal, then 23:41 <@deathsushi> Right 23:41 <@luxidream> oh tommo is she/they 23:41 <@deathsushi> Ah! 23:41 <@deathsushi> Thank you 23:41 i dont find orcus zapping very much and i fight him in a probably stupid way. i boulder the stairs and dig right upon behind him and run to the stairs and fight him there 23:41 no sleep res? 23:41 hm 23:41 <@deathsushi> I just like to preserve the charges on the wand 23:41 <@deathsushi> So I can deal with Rodney easy 23:41 <@luxidream> normal 23:41 <@luxidream> it doesn't matter at this point 23:41 <@luxidream> sleep resistance that is 23:41 <@deathsushi> Why not? 23:41 reflect 23:41 <@deathsushi> Ah 23:41 <@deathsushi> Of course 23:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:11981, rt[2:42:49] 23:42 <@luxidream> you are still vulnerable to sleeping gas traps 23:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:11983, rt[2:42:53] 23:42 <@luxidream> shouldn't matter though 23:42 rattle pate lol 23:42 you can get a sleep pot in the face, but that lasts like a turn 23:43 i'd like a sleep pot to the face 23:43 <@deathsushi> CNT-FAI make sure you smoke it after 23:43 sadly they will miss you :( 23:43 <@deathsushi> (from before) 23:43 ya 23:43 <@deathsushi> Ya 23:43 appreciated 23:43 <@deathsushi> K good 23:43 <@deathsushi> Just making sure 23:43 <@luxidream> actually you don't need any resists 23:43 no that's quite an essential detail you're 100% 23:43 <@deathsushi> 23:44 <@luxidream> fire is good to have though 23:44 <@luxidream> along with poison 23:44 https://twitter.com/dril/status/158042815128023040 23:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Clk Fem Non) averted death, on T:20595 23:44 fire traps seriously ding max HP otherwise 23:44 <@deathsushi> Who is this wint bloke? 23:44 he's a south jersey guy 23:44 if you somehow survive to gehenom without poison res its probably fine 23:44 like me, or carl brutanananalewski 23:45 <@deathsushi> I notice my rings getting blown up a lot more by shocking spheres in XN 23:45 <@deathsushi> IS that a shift? 23:45 <@luxidream> yes 23:45 or bob belcher 23:45 <@luxidream> complain to aosdict 23:45 or linda 23:45 <@luxidream> that's annoying 23:45 <@deathsushi> She turned it up? 23:45 <@luxidream> aosdict is a he 23:45 <@deathsushi> πŸ˜› 23:45 <@luxidream> but yes 23:45 <@deathsushi> I'll get there πŸ˜„ 23:45 <@deathsushi> aoei β€”Β she, correct? 23:45 <@iatrocrat> ye 23:45 <@luxidream> βœ… 23:45 <@deathsushi> Okay, great 23:45 <@luxidream> what about me 23:46 <@deathsushi> dude 23:46 <@luxidream> βœ… 23:46 in baseball, .667 is not bad 23:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3491 23:46 <@deathsushi> But I've heard your stream, so I have the advantage 23:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:12132, rt[2:47:05] 23:46 you'd be surprised on that frontg 23:46 <@deathsushi> wint? Dude 23:46 <@deathsushi> South Jersey 23:46 yeah to clarify 23:46 <@iatrocrat> man 23:46 you're lucky to get above .300 honestly 23:46 i spent the bulk of my life in southern california where dude is a gender neutral ejaculate (no kidding that is the word for it) 23:47 well not so much "lucky" 23:47 CNT-FAI: lol 23:47 <@iatrocrat> what does compiling mean, idk what it is but im doing it to get one of these variants to work 23:47 so when i say i am a dude i mean it in like the dude burger sense not the quiz that was just happening sense 23:47 so much as it is that that's just how hitting a small moving sphere at like 88mph is 23:47 <@deathsushi> Compiling is when you take code from something that is human readable, to binary 23:47 <@luxidream> compiling: making it from code to something you can actually run 23:47 and the 88 is the slow ball 23:47 <@iatrocrat> thanks! 23:47 <@iatrocrat> seriously 23:48 70-80mph is slow for baseball pitches 23:48 to put it in (more) perspective 23:48 it's teh slow end, but it's a crucial part of the repertoire 23:48 knuckleballin' 23:48 for a fastball though 88 is barely tolerable in the majors 23:48 that's if the guy has a knuckleball or such yeah 23:48 <@deathsushi> Slowfastball 23:48 <@deathsushi> Real mixup 23:49 or the fork, or slurve, or a killer changeup that's like 72 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2042 points, T:4090, killed by a wounded soldier ant 23:49 Go team a! 23:49 <@deathsushi> I never end up using the drum of earthquake 23:49 <@deathsushi> What are its uses? 23:49 hey remember when randy owned the piss out of that bird 23:49 Ball Fondlers 23:49 i do 23:49 waking up the wizard 23:49 i prefer to think of the bird as having never existed 23:49 ^ 23:49 dangit rif lmao 23:50 that clip was an eye opening moment for me 23:50 but yeah, waking up the wiz w/o entering the tower, wrecking the entire level for whatever reason 23:50 understanding that forces in this world could disintegrate a bird without even intending to 23:50 waking rogue nemesis 23:50 <@deathsushi> microlance: Ah right 23:50 <@deathsushi> That bird really went for it 23:50 <@deathsushi> Credit to him 23:50 i mean i knew it happened in wind turbines but even then probably not as pure a chop 23:50 <@deathsushi> or her 23:50 <@deathsushi> They really saw jesus that day 23:50 yeah poor bastard didn't know what hit them 23:50 probably literally 23:51 <@deathsushi> This is looking tense for Tommo 23:51 my ex was not a sports person but loved the SF Giants birds 23:51 full healing pot 23:51 <@deathsushi> Yah 23:51 after people file out of the stadium it's a feeding frenzy for them so they keep track of the time and glare at the players if they take too long to finish 23:51 yo if these kars 4 kids commercials don't unexist immediately 23:51 agreed 23:52 they have a structured settlement and they need cash now 23:52 rif pls 23:52 <@deathsushi> Is Rif your name? 23:52 both those torment me 23:52 ya 23:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed amulet of unchanging", on T:28510 23:52 most of it 23:52 ooh another poly wand 23:52 <@deathsushi> Okay, that's easier in my head than the way your handle tends to get pronounced 23:53 heh 23:53 i think of my xNH character as pronounced somewhat like Sinn Fein 23:53 <@deathsushi> Where do I know that from 23:54 <@deathsushi> That sounds Gaelic and also vaguely Wheel of Timey 23:54 rubber chicken expired 23:54 <@deathsushi> I was scared to use the rubber chicken for so long. Now it's so satisfying 23:54 its the social democratic party of ireland 23:54 <@deathsushi> Bonk. Bonk. Bonk. Bonk. 23:54 <@deathsushi> Ah yes 23:54 Irish unity political party known for refusing to take their seats in the legislature + apologetics in favor of IRA actions 23:54 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:12284, rt[2:55:31] 23:54 that's unity of the island, not left meeting right tbc 23:55 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:12288, rt[2:55:45] 23:55 <@deathsushi> This sanctum is a mess 23:55 that's what sinn fein said 23:55 I mean it tends to be 23:55 <@deathsushi> I usually clear it out 23:55 i think often about the muck, grime and sludge throughout those dungeons 23:55 <@deathsushi> No one is cleaning those sinks down there 23:56 <@deathsushi> No doubt about it 23:56 you remind me to stick that janitor idea of mine on the etherpad 23:56 <@deathsushi> Get that in there 23:56 I mean I assume the foocubi handle it 23:56 being dishwashers and all 23:56 it raises interesting worldbuilding questions 23:57 is there some organization that governs the dungeon to a degree that would hire janitors, and would this be considered endorsement of the fundamental conditions inside the dungeon? 23:57 ape got them, they keep getting para'd 23:57 <@deathsushi> Looking tense again 23:57 should still make it but it's getting interesting at least 23:57 would they be janitors of fortune, and if so, would they selectively clean/fix things like the era of private firefighting? 23:57 <@deathsushi> Soon to faint from lack of food too 23:57 <@deathsushi> Ah, back in it 23:57 nah plenty of food 23:57 Just needed time to actually breathe 23:58 <@deathsushi> Hate those disenchanters 23:58 flayer right behind them ( '-') 23:58 Xan isn't much welcome either 23:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class P, on T:28539 23:59 Nice, system shock death 23:59 golem now, though 23:59 <@deathsushi> TG for speed boots