00:01 whats up with that error it doesnt seem to let me do things to a direction 00:03 Are you accidentally hitting escape a bunch? 00:03 Esc is how you get to the meta commands 00:03 no, its on the other side of / 00:03 I'm used to using it to cancel out of stuff so it's a bit jarring, been doing that the last couple of games 00:04 My setup has it so it's ESC for w/e reason 00:04 wait no I'm assuming you meant one of the Shift keys 00:04 alright, I'm confusing myself again, so lemme just 00:04 so either / or = can do that, and/or there's something wrong in the numpad 00:04 test for myself 00:04 Ohhhhhhhhhhh 00:04 wait is it num lock 00:04 see if I knew what your numpad looked like I could help, lemme see 00:05 Ah 00:05 you could have just asked 00:05 That MIGHT be it 00:05 Yeah I was about to ask actually but if num lock is the issue then lol 00:05 Lemme see 00:06 https://www.amazon.com/BicycleStore-Bluetooth-Accounting-Extensions-Smartphone/dp/B0824SX67F 00:07 turning off numlock does it 00:07 makes sense i guess 00:08 Yeah, turning off numlock makes it work fine, whereas while it was on stuff was screwy 00:09 turning it on and off produces "you can't do that!" 00:09 DL2 general store 00:09 and apparently also adds a second attempt at a meta command on top of each press? 00:09 idk 00:09 OH HEY HOL UP 00:10 I might've just picked random to test this stuff but I'm not letting you get a god start ahead of me 00:10 I say that and then I almost immediately kill myself 00:10 ha 00:10 i warned ye 00:10 no you didn't 00:12 welp found scare monster 00:13 ah fuck lol 00:14 ? 00:14 somehow i used something in the shop and my ass aint getting out again 00:15 hm wonder what's up with the gender 00:16 ragh have to play slow lest I get one shot 00:17 haha just the one kick and he killed me 00:17 didn't even get to see what was goin' onm 00:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Law), 120 points, T:1003, killed by a wand 00:18 alright im watching you again, since i dont focus on smoking or hydrating while im playing 00:19 wielding spellbooks to halve costs is something I need to get used to doing 00:19 What!? 00:19 some nice spells here 00:19 yeah arahael 00:19 its how my early game priestesses cast anything 00:19 Weilding spellbooks to halve costs!? 00:19 ya 00:19 hold on to ur books 00:20 Has no effect in my game, must be a variant thing? 00:20 x 00:20 thank you aosdict 00:20 ^ 00:20 another change that should have happened and did 00:24 should b safe to read the mottled spellbook with in 20 right 00:24 i rarely get bad effects on a much lower in 00:24 Yeah 00:25 that's the natural cap for elves btdubs 00:25 ah 00:25 but I wanna get a level or two in case it's much higher level 00:25 and on principle anyway because HP 00:26 fair, though also note that if you can't read it its one of like 2 books 00:26 thatvs as good as a price identv 00:26 only +2 max HP 00:26 -v: 00:26 I'll take it 00:26 valid 00:27 fewd 00:27 *pointing* That's food 00:27 fruit juice and booze potions in there 00:27 i already forgot what meme i was thinking of 00:28 gold first though 00:28 oh nice 00:28 i almost said you dont want to steal it? and then i realized stealing via pet involves a cat 00:28 you feed them that right they just quit 00:28 * rif[CNT] is making this up 00:29 lol 00:30 -!- rif[CNT] is now known as Cnt-Fai 00:30 and it's like, what 00:30 all edibles minus a couple of potions 00:30 not much to steal 00:31 ice boxes are always too heavy and mostly just corpses in there anyway 00:31 feels like im always eating but as a low level priestess it makes sense to heal a lot 00:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 5235 points, T:4662, killed by a black unicorn 00:31 tru 00:31 you prefer the dagger to the blessed staff? 00:32 I mean the staff is good too 00:32 but training for MBane 00:32 was just curious, forgot about this 00:32 I already start with some skill in the staff so 00:32 ah so its the backup 00:32 yeah for the stronger stuff 00:32 i see the logic now 00:32 weaker stuff I can pull out the bone and plink it to death 00:32 ye 00:33 if you can spare the turns or mana to heal anyway 00:33 wiz Pw regen is p. solid 00:33 + wielded spellbook 00:33 ah right 00:34 did I just hear Ricky Bobby in a fucking dodge commercial 00:34 *shake voice* why wouldn't he 00:34 well that ain't good 00:34 blinded by a potion 00:35 REALLY? 00:35 this guy's not nice 00:35 oh, confused, can't even 00:35 aghnrthagrw 00:35 oh yeah you're conf 00:36 shit 00:36 a bat. 00:36 oh right 00:36 of all things. 00:36 man the number of nethack runs ive lost to bats 00:36 not my day. 00:36 it's like real life in minnesota 00:36 piece of shit hobbit 00:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] Umbire (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 180 points, T:767, killed by an uninjured bat 00:37 terrifying animal 00:41 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:24195 00:42 One more try 00:43 it's more fun than i expected to hold up a number pad like one of the early programmable videogames 00:43 +carts 00:43 i feel like im playing with a controller 00:44 lol 00:44 I can imagine 00:47 whats the wand that doenst do shit when u engrave with it agin 00:48 nm 00:49 Varies 01:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 342 points, T:2604, poisoned by a rotted orc corpse 01:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased Wallet of Perseus", on T:11287 01:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a winged helmet entrusted to her by Odin, on T:4141 01:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 24 points, T:86, killed by an arrow 01:12 -!- Gaelan_ is now known as Gaelan 01:13 hi oracle 01:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Umbire (Arc Hum Fem Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:1828 01:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3766 points, T:4399, killed by the wrath of Odin 01:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 4 points, T:31, killed by the wrath of Odin 01:17 i'm now watching 01:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11901 01:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 138 points, T:156, killed by Ms. Ouiatchouane; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 01:18 this kid's goin places 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:10029 01:19 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.8] 01:19 nice oh6 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:10303 01:32 watching again 01:34 no gonna roll another 01:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 226 points, T:792, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 01:38 kill off my last* 01:42 -!- Cnt-Fai has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:45 -!- mwehner has joined #hardfought 01:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Odin, on T:2620 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Vagrant, on T:12054 01:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12219 01:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 64213 points, T:13547, killed by a Mordor orc, while fainted from lack of food 01:57 brain's checking out 01:57 that'll do for tonight I guess 01:59 -!- Cnt-Fai has joined #hardfought 02:15 hi brain checked out so I'm done for tonight 02:16 gn 02:19 still hanging here, just not playing atm 02:19 im doing okish 02:20 That's good. 02:24 other than dying from food poisoning 02:24 details 02:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Law), 340 points, T:2704, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse 02:27 F 02:27 No holy water left? 02:27 Iunno if that'dve cured it but worth a shot 02:27 Chaotic 02:27 Says you're lawful 02:27 guessing you found a noncursed HoOA? 02:28 Yes, this game is from teh present and does not involve the characetrw who died :D 02:28 if so that sucks 02:28 oh 02:28 sorry, like I said 02:28 checked out 02:28 yea same' you shoulda seen me in the tetrsi 02:30 man I wish my switch/charger was working 02:32 in SD the best nintendo repair guy called himself Nintendo Dan and advertised on craigslist, i have only just now consciously thought that a city could not have a Nintendo Dan 02:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14248 02:42 Uh? Izchak is aggravating me. 02:43 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 724 points, T:1599, killed by a hill orc 02:50 Cnt-Fai: Interesting 02:50 arahael: ? 02:50 Umbire: Izchak quaffed an invis potion. 02:50 Oh 02:50 You must've had see invisible temporarily 02:50 Umbire: But I thought it was amusing that I'm aggravated by Izchak. 02:50 Oh, I'm a monk. 02:50 so level-up intrinsic? 02:50 Keep in mind, brain no worky 02:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:15034 02:51 Muad: Yep. 02:52 Izchak has a magic lamp, though. I'm tempted to just walk in and use it, even though I have only $22 gold. 02:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 147 points, T:1996, killed by a contaminated potion 02:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed hilliance's ghost, the former Peregrinator, on T:15454 02:55 Umbire: How are you going these days? 02:56 -!- Cnt-Fai has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 02:56 Going 02:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3512 02:57 Umbire: That's the best most of us can hope for. :) 02:58 Mhm 02:58 Gonna dip in a couple of minutes 02:58 Enjoy! 02:59 Be well, all 02:59 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4057 03:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4057 03:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1073 points, T:4060, quit 03:06 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 03:21 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 03:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:16197 03:25 [hdf-au] [slex] PeachMuffin (Jus Cer Fem Neu), 2075 points, T:1017, killed by a monster (green nightmare), while praying unsuccessfully 03:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 590 points, T:1555, killed by a slightly wounded little dog 03:31 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 03:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:38 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 13743 points, T:8374, killed by a soldier ant, while frozen by a potion 03:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:46760 03:59 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:6711 03:59 * arahael cries. All he wants is holy water. 03:59 2000 turns, it feels like, of just sac'ing to appease his god. 03:59 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 04:00 Oh, wow. Werejackals can use unicorn horn. 04:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 32 points, T:530, crushed by a falling boulder 04:04 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 12046 points, T:7503, killed by a soldier ant 04:04 That was just a frustrating game. 04:09 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 04:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Law), 151 points, T:718, killed by an uninjured fox 04:10 Evilhack? yeah 04:10 :P 04:11 Yep. 04:11 But it was frustrating because I apparently didn't /quite/ wait for long enough to safely pray, I had two magic lamps, no holy water, and was a werejackal. 04:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 754 points, T:1743, killed by a wand 04:16 rip\ 04:19 Yep, but I just found that wand death in the bones. 04:24 oh neat 04:24 Yep, but I"m *not* having good luck today. 04:25 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed magic lamp", on T:1473 04:25 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1279 points, T:1473, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted djinni 04:29 what wish source did you get to wish for the lamp? 04:33 amateurhour: A potion of healing. :( 04:33 First one wasn't happy I free'ed it. Second one gave me a wish. 04:33 smoky healing is pretty lucky 04:33 A pity one can't wish for full health. 04:34 Oh, wow. In this game, I fell all the way down to mines end. 04:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (vampires), on T:1133 04:36 what sort of whacky game starts are you having haha 04:36 I have no idea. 04:36 But wacky they indeed are. 04:37 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1864 points, T:1231, killed by an enormous rat 04:37 Maybe this next game will be /normal/. 04:39 did you pick vampires in case you got the catacombs? 04:40 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 119 points, T:230, killed by a dwarf 04:41 amateurhour: No, I was down to 7 HP and needed the vampire to be gone. 04:41 amateurhour: Becuase I was in the catacombs. 04:41 amateurhour: I fell ALL THE WAY, from like, dlvl 4 or something. 04:43 oh wow that's epic 04:44 So far this is a normal game, except mines are a bit blocked as there's too much water and I don't have a pick. 04:45 Hmm, fell down a trap-door, again, but this time just from dlvl 4 to dlvl 5 - right into a *locked* shop. 04:46 -!- wvc has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:47 Has a lockpick, but darn it, I'm going to try and steal from it. 04:47 Too many crazy games tonight. 04:48 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1418 points, T:2011, killed by Ms. Aklavik; the shopkeeper, while reading a book 04:52 Maybe *this* will be a normal game! 04:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1061 points, T:1426, killed by a blue jelly 04:58 Yes. That was a refreshingly normal game! :D 05:08 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:08 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:13 curious: why do you keep meleeing monsters with a passive attack? 05:13 the pain makes u feel alive 05:13 lol 05:17 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 05:17 yo amateurhour ♥! sorry that I couldn't do much yesterday, was soooooooo tired from my long shifts. but now I've slept for 12 hours and am feeling relaxed again :) 05:18 sup 05:18 I will forgive you in time, when the scars have healed 05:18 didn't really get very far in any slex games lol :P 05:18 haha 05:18 why was Umbire saying it would be a half-baked ascension, anyway? you're still playing monk, not the new half-baked role 05:18 so this run has finally gone semi decent 05:19 maybe just got monk and halfbakeds confused 05:19 nice one Septieme 05:19 yay 05:19 somehow got *two* magic lamps in minetown 05:19 i slept at lik enormal people time 05:19 both blessed at that 05:19 epic 05:19 and got liek a full 8 hoours 05:19 GDSM for the first, now went to soko and found "oR 05:19 \o/ 05:19 amazing 05:20 which role are you playing? 05:20 on the fence whether to use the second on a BoH or Grayswandir 05:20 Valk 05:20 strong 05:20 tbf I'm still more or less a newb, so yeah valk for when I'm trying 05:20 so yeah. Bag or sabre? 05:20 I'd go with boh, grays is pretty epic but not necessary, whereas playing bohless is kind of ass 05:21 already have excal with the default +1, which makes me wonder 05:21 a former me would wish for the artiweap 05:21 excalibur is more than good enough 05:21 oh 05:21 former me would not wish for weapon with excal 05:21 former me maybe weap wish for barb or so 05:21 so bag it is 05:21 but yeah BoH is ia ctually a priority 05:21 unless you are a bit masochistic 05:21 until like I get the wand in the castle 05:22 wdym until castle wand 05:22 until then I'll stick with excal 05:22 Excal is more than ascension worthy 05:22 huh 05:22 btw you can also ascend with a +2 long sword 05:22 i have proof 05:23 Hmm. Ok, this is another somewhat unusual game, too! Elder minotaur in the mines. And it's NOT a chameleon. There must have been a polytrap. 05:23 tbf as I said I'm still a bit on the newbier end with this stuff, if all goes perfect this may be my first ascension 05:23 i dont recommend it super highly, but it's fine, and Excal +6 is a damn sight better than +2 long sdword 05:23 ok that's fair Septieme 05:23 Excal totally fine for first asc tho 05:23 so invest in long sword supremacy it is 05:23 what you can do if you want damage output is ditch shield and offhand a second long-sword or a silver sabre 05:23 Meh, I prefer armour to weapons, but then, I'm a monk, so... 05:23 helps with max luck 05:24 you'll be able to reasonably offhand a silver saber later anyway 05:24 I think I do have a longsword somewhere laying around in the mines 05:24 Septieme: either long sword or silver saber for ur offhand are mmy recs, if you go two-weap 05:24 could go back and grab that for off hand 05:25 Septieme: personally tehse days i really like Luxi's recommended GDSM/[oR/"oLS load-out 05:25 this precludes the use of two-weapon 05:25 but its more a speedrun meta strat 05:25 Checks out 05:25 twoweapon is valid and does crazy high damage, it's fun 05:26 if you find a silver saber its also super great fun when you're facing & and V in gehennom 05:26 cuz you hae arti as your main and an off-hand doing the silver dam 05:26 basically you're gonna be fine :) 05:26 Gonna probably keep "oR and twoweap unless I find both an "oLS somewhere and [oR off of Perseus or otherwise 05:26 Septieme: if you play careful and are well prepared you don't need the LS 05:27 <@luxidream> if this is your first ascension wear life saving 05:27 I'm kinda being extra cautious this time, considering how my last one failed very anticlimactically in nom 05:27 lux has a point tho 05:27 !rng play slex | mod slex | play elona | think about sexy women 05:27 LarienTelrunya: play slex 05:27 should they wear free action luxidream? :P 05:27 !8ball should they wear life saving? 05:27 aoei: Outlook not so good 05:28 guess that answers that 05:28 <@luxidream> nah, you'll probably have like -40 ac so yeenoghu won't be able to do anything 05:28 "oR and sword dancing it is 05:28 fwiw i think my first asc was twoweapon with SDSM and CoMR 05:28 AND life saving 05:28 Septieme: if you later make SDSM and wish for CoMR you can still do sword dancing and wear AoLS 05:29 I mean, my cloak slot is still pretty much on the freer end, considering my previous CoI has been made useless with intrinsic invis 05:29 <@luxidream> seriously consider life saving because even experienced players do stupid things like wield a cockatrice corpse with no gloves 05:29 Septieme: Btw, yesterday I died; cause of death: "oLS. 05:29 oh right 05:29 the cursed one right? 05:29 Yep. :) 05:29 Septieme: are you playing vanilla 05:29 F 05:29 ignore arahael they're playing evilhack :P 05:29 aoei: *herz-chen-schmü-schel!* ♥♥♥ while I still have no idea what a "schmüschel" is, it just sounds soooooooo cuuuuuuute! <3 <3 <3 05:29 vanilla ye 05:29 Septieme: cursed life saving will still save your life in vanilla 05:29 amateurhour: Evil is just more true to life. 05:29 hey Amy :) 05:29 sup 05:30 so ein süßer Schmüschel! :D 05:30 lmao 05:30 wait so you mean a cursed "oLS still works, but it's just very clingy and won't let go? 05:30 how did i know you would enjoy a nonsense word like that 05:30 Septieme: lol yes 05:30 aoei-bundle is there another race going on? 05:30 um not right now there's not 05:30 but there will be another 05:30 why you wanna compete? 05:31 also how do you select a seed? I tried to start a setseed game once just for fun and didn't see an option 05:31 as I said, probably gonna consider going for "oLS if I can find an alternative reflection source 05:31 you put it in your rc file Amy 05:31 oh 05:31 Septieme: what's your current armour setup? 05:32 but then why does the server admin have to "make the seeds available"? if I want to play the seed "HighHeelsAreSexy" can't I simply put that in and it starts a game with whatever seed number that corresponds to? 05:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:17838 05:32 LarienTelrunya: that's for shared seeds i think 05:32 bit underdeveloped rn, +4 blessed GDSM, standard +3  small shield, +1 orcish helm, leather gloves and iron boots, uncursed, +0 05:32 <@luxidream> OPTIONS=seed=HighHeelsAreSexy 05:32 you should still be able to put an option in your config for a seed you choose 05:33 yeah but for shared seeds wouldn't just all the players have to use the same seed? so everyone else who also puts OPTIONS=seed=HighHeelsAreSexy would already get the same game as me, right? 05:33 Septieme: You're doing better than I am. 05:33 Septieme: i wouldn't quite call that underdeveloped but you can improve on that for sure. honestly do consider ditching the GDSM when you can revgeno silver dragons, if you're willing to spend a wish on CoMR 05:33 then you get to two weapon and wear AoLS 05:34 Septieme: Don't forget there's four guaranteed dragons at the castle. I wouldn't revgeno them until you've done the castle. 05:34 doesn't cost too many resources to make a new DSM and the earlier wished for GDSM still served you well in getting through to say, castle wand of wishing 05:34 <@luxidream> yes that's the idea 05:34 what arahael said 05:34 <@luxidream> everyone else would get the same dungeon 05:34 do check out the guaranteed dragons first 05:34 <@luxidream> monster spawns and death drops are different 05:35 Fort Ludios has dragons, too. 05:35 incase you get lucky and get silver dragon scales there 05:35 arahael: fort ludios is dangerous and a waste of time imo 05:35 <@luxidream> it's not that dangerous 05:35 the server admin 'makes the seeds available' in a list shortly before the race Amy, that the participants then copy into their rc files 05:35 so they're just revealed in a menu item in dgl 05:35 I don't think it's that angerious. 05:35 ah I see 05:35 *dangerious. 05:35 idk lux its kinda dangerous for someone doing first asc 05:36 But you do need to be very beefed up first. 05:36 altho ye athat 05:36 if you're super beefed up it should be no problem 05:36 i still say it's a waste of time tho 05:36 <@luxidream> well that's true 05:36 aoei: And then if you beef up some more, you *might* be ready for a first asc. 05:36 knowing where you can stand to take them on one at a time really helps 05:36 <@luxidream> to die though you would have to walk up to croesus and drink para or something 05:36 oh and btw being beefed up doesn't stop a captain wielding a cockatrice corpse from getting you 05:36 that's happened to me at ludios 05:36 years ago 05:36 lol 05:37 or maybe i saw him wield it and ran away but still 05:37 *sigh*. I've a magic lamp, but too underpowered to risk wishing up an artifact in evil. :( 05:37 aoei: Oh, yeah. You also have to "git gud". 05:37 arahael: LOL 05:38 is true 05:38 * aoei wonders whether luxidream is now the one with a busted circadian rhythm 05:39 got any fun plans for sunday's stream luxidream? 05:39 Man, I can't do mines in this game. :( 05:39 arahael: :( 05:39 f 05:39 aoei: Stupid Elder Minotaur. 05:39 lol last night i briefly tried to speedrun nethack at 1:30 am after being awake for >24 h 05:39 bc couldn't sleep 05:39 it did not go well 05:42 <@luxidream> oh I told asciiphilia I would do webtiles 05:42 nice 05:43 there's a US server for that now 05:43 <@luxidream> so 05:43 <@luxidream> we will be playing webtiles 05:43 i think lux knows 05:43 <@luxidream> yeah there's no way I would be playing that with overseas lag 05:43 lol 05:43 luxidream: go sleep ya dingus isn't it late over there 05:43 dare u to play on korean server 05:43 <@luxidream> you're the last person who can judge me ok 05:43 hahahahaha 05:43 aoei: It's early somewhere in the world. 05:43 is true 05:43 you legally have to do it now, you've been dared 05:43 <@luxidream> the absolute last person 05:44 XD 05:44 i slept at normal people times today tho:> 05:44 POG 05:44 <@luxidream> I think I can turn down a dare to do something unfunny 05:44 luxidream: Can I reserve the right to judge? ;) 05:44 <@luxidream> and unfun 05:44 I just checked the law and it appears you are right 05:44 luxidream - why me? I'm *not* the last person who can judge you. :) 05:45 arahael: oh no 05:45 he was talkin about me 05:45 <@luxidream> hm I will consider your offer 05:45 i am the last person who can possibly judge because my relationship with the "circadian rhythm" is worse than that thing in 50 shades of gray 05:45 it's all kinds of fucked 05:46 <@luxidream> just because you are slightly more qualified doesn't mean you will get the position 05:46 I'm aware. Actualy I don't know luxidream at all, but I figure that there's a very very slim possibility I might meet him one day. 7 billion people on this earth. It could come in handy if I meet him. 05:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:18620 05:46 luxidream: Ouch, you're tough! :D 05:46 also LOL 05:46 bruh 05:46 nice 05:47 looking forward to the webtiles stream 05:47 !8ball should i stream something on saturday 05:47 aoei: Yes definitely 05:47 ok im gonna stream something on saturday 05:47 <@luxidream> I'm just going to get 100 complaints about how tiles are unreadable 05:47 idk what 05:47 im not gonna stream webtiles i know that much 05:47 <@luxidream> have you beaten sans yet 05:47 yes, I'm currently drafting my essay about tiles bad ready to post it on that day 05:48 i have to check when Deepy is streaming his thing tho cuz i wanna see what 05:48 that* 05:48 last saturday he streamed half of this cute game called um 05:48 psychonauts 05:48 i am now hooked i need to finish the story 05:48 gameplay doesnt look all that interesting the but story is hilarious 05:48 no luxidream i have not beaten sans yet :c 05:49 what are the odds of not getting banned if streaming slex but set stream as mature 05:49 i think if you set stream as mature content it should be fine 05:49 <@luxidream> I'm not going to stream slex 05:49 i also wouldnt stream slex tho lol 05:49 ;( 05:49 I was asking because I was tempted to stream a little 05:49 not because I want to coerce you into playing it 05:49 <@luxidream> no one will notice 05:50 hahaha 05:50 tRUE 05:51 <@luxidream> it's not like twitch employs people to view every single vod and read the text for inappropriate gameplay 05:51 <@luxidream> I think you would be fine 05:51 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Sam Gia Fem Law), 2607 points, T:2042, zombified by an elf zombie 05:51 https://www.reddit.com/r/Undertale/comments/m9j49j/didnt_see_that_one_coming/ 05:51 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4359 05:53 i want to stream NetHack on saturday tho 05:53 maybe i will beat sans before then anyway 05:53 Undertale is just a thing I randomly stream when I feel like playing it 05:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 7637 points, T:4571, killed by a Green-elf, while fainted from lack of food 05:54 usually without any commentary 05:54 kerio likes watching me get rekt 05:54 Ok, I need something easier. :( 05:55 * arahael considers slex. 05:55 :) 05:55 Which version? 05:55 considers something easier 05:55 considers slex 05:55 LOL 05:55 in slex the early game is actually supposed to be easier 05:55 arahael: 2.70 05:55 I'll try that. 05:55 can confirm the early game is easier 05:55 imagine slex being an easy game 05:55 it's just really long, and the longer it goes on the more chance there is for fatal BS to occur :P 05:55 amateurhour: early game easier than vanill or than evil 05:56 Yiiiiiiikes. So many roles. 05:56 oh haha arahael you've encountered the most difficult level of slex: the character generation! :D 05:56 arahael try angel noob barbarian 05:56 arahael: yeah the selection screen was a difficult barrier for me to get past 05:56 so i just asked Amy to tell me waht to play 05:56 lol 05:56 amateurhour: Why angel noob barb? 05:56 heh, if you ask me what to play I say trapper kurwa :D 05:56 because 99% of the race/role combinations are turboass to play 05:56 but then the early game actually isn't that easy 05:56 and that ones pretty strong 05:56 yeah i also learnt not to ask Amy what to play 05:57 noob mode barb is supposed to have an even easier early game 05:57 amateurhour recs probably better 05:57 however, the noob mode barb will probably get difficult later on 05:57 It still has monks! 05:57 they start with something like 80 max HP at XL1 05:58 arahael: of course, all the vanilla roles and races are still there 05:58 it's slash'em monk arahael, so it's much stronger than vanilla monk 05:59 also top tier 05:59 amateurhour: didn't you tell me at some point about how monk actually was backported to vanilla from slash'em 05:59 albeit heavily nerfed 06:00 yeah 06:00 that's my head canon at least, no idea whether correct 06:00 aoei: it was, no techniques, much worse martial arts damage, huge penalty for wearing armor... :P 06:00 ah ok 06:00 yeah 06:00 interesting 06:00 omg arahael :D nice combo 06:01 !whereis arahael 06:01 amateurhour: [hdf-au] Arahael [slex]: No details available 06:01 what's he playing 06:01 > You are a lawful female minimalist roommate feminizer trapper Kurwa. 06:01 trapper kurwa with 3 hybrid races 06:01 oh dear 06:01 oh god 06:01 #quit 06:01 lol 06:01 LarienTelrunya: Also, what the hell is a hybrid race? 06:01 didn't i tell you arahael, that i learnt *not* to take Amy's character recs 06:01 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 06:01 amateurhour: Not my selection, LarienTelrunya suggested it! 06:01 arahael: sort of like a difficulty modifier 06:01 arahael: shoulda read chat more carefully smh my head 06:01 they're like extra races that apply other conditions or attributes 06:01 arahael: you are in for a world of pain 06:02 minimalist means there's less items, roommate means there's special rooms placed randomly, and feminizer, well... makes the game hard in a very female way ♥ 06:02 almost all of which are bad 06:02 burh 06:02 bruh 06:02 not to mention kurwa interface screws 06:02 gained by levelling 06:02 LMAO 06:03 arahael: you have no idea 06:03 tempted to watch his game tho 06:03 yes, and interface screws from the kurwa's starting inventory :D (although minimalist may have made some of those not exist) 06:03 aoei: Just checked the #conduct. It appears I'm celibrate. 06:03 arahael: did you look at your inventory yet? 06:03 arahael: confused. relevance? 06:03 Just did now. 06:03 oh, minimalist really made you not start with any bad stuff apart from the covetous stone 06:04 lol amy you nerfed the bad with your combi 06:04 poor execution, 4/190 06:04 4/10 * 06:04 if you're in inventory mode, you can press an item's corresponding letter for a description of what the item does 06:04 This is a seriously twisted game. 06:04 such a gentle Jennifer! ♥ 06:05 Was that... The payment? 06:05 wait, something's weird. why didn't you have sex with her?! is that a bug? 06:05 [Arahael the Cheap Sex Slave] St11 Dx7 Co3 In7 Wi5 Ch8 KurTrpFemLaw+Lrf S51 06:05 hahahahhaha 06:05 i forgot how bad 06:06 this is why amateurhour is afraid to stream the game 06:06 lmao 06:06 the #chat command to have sex with monsters is supposed to only work on humanoids, I guess Jennifer somehow isn't flagged as such? 06:06 LarienTelrunya: I'm *Celibrate*. 06:06 heh 06:06 ok shag that thief 06:07 OMG 06:07 arahael: how uncomfortable are you rn 06:07 just curious 06:07 fleecy :D 06:07 aoei: From a scale of zero to 10...? 06:07 yeah 06:07 0 to 10 06:08 aoei: 11. 06:08 at least 15 ;) 06:08 ijm at like a 7 06:08 LOL_ 06:08 but im also laughing 06:08 And right now, I'm wondering: "WHat if I said yes?" 06:08 so much 06:08 rofl 06:08 arahael: you may have avoided some discomfort 06:08 until you found a female human monster 06:08 btw this is slex, you can also catch STDs. curious to see if that's gonna happen at the end of this encounter ;) 06:08 OUCH 06:08 got tit-punched 06:09 I'm going to assume that hurts like hell. 06:09 p sure it does yea 06:09 So... That was... Weird... 06:09 -!- Septieme has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 06:10 oh, also, check out the #enhance menu, slex has some weird stuff in there too :D 06:10 using sex as a weapon didn't even work adequately :( 06:10 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 06:10 thief still punched and robbed you :( 06:10 Grand master in high heels? 06:10 :D 06:10 arahael: this game is so beyond 06:11 idk if you're going to like it, long-term 06:11 honestly 06:11 Whoever the hell this "Amy" is, and I'm well aware she's LarienTelrunya here, she needs... Help... 06:11 haha yeah I'm absolutely batshit crazy 06:11 can confirm 06:11 but you've only played for 119 turns! you've barely touched the surface of this very deep ocean ;) 06:12 Amy i think he is too normal and conservative 06:12 he would be scarred for life if he went much deeper 06:12 it takes a certain kind of twisted mind to handle playing slex 06:14 It's certainly... Colourful... 06:14 titpunched. Again. 06:14 that bastard of a kobold! 06:15 yeah the low CHA makes it more likely for sexual encounters to go wrong 06:15 Seems I'm still being contaminated. 06:17 That was all manner of disturbing. 06:18 why what di di miss 06:18 What the heck is an "ADOM tension room"? 06:18 it's a special room filled with some sort of themed monsters 06:19 its actually a thing in ADOM iirc 06:19 genuine homage 06:19 so when is it usually a good idea to go shank minetown's priest? 06:19 LOL 06:19 honestly it's not necessary 06:19 and kinda dangerous 06:20 oh, you reached XL4, so now the first kurwa interface screw starts: walls are invisible 06:20 why do you want to shank the mt priest? 06:20 LarienTelrunya: Eh? 06:20 well I haven't found any other altars yet, and I need the water prayer 06:20 Septieme: alright so two things 06:20 arahael: yeah that happens when a kurwa reaches XL4 06:20 LarienTelrunya: No, that's not the case. It seems my interface has rotated. 06:20 or maybe 3 things but let's cover the first two first 06:20 oh you mean you press a direction button and it goes in a different direction? 06:21 Septieme: if you split a buncha water stacks and read confused blessed remove curse (assuming you manage to get one of those without already having holy water) 06:21 LarienTelrunya: Yep. 06:21 ah, that comes from playing a trapper then 06:21 confused blessed remove curse will randomly bless or curse a number of your main inventory items 06:21 already cursed or blessed items are unaffected 06:22 <@Computer Man> Whos the madman diving into slex 06:22 LarienTelrunya: Ah, because I'm on the ceiling? Ok, *and* walls are invisible. 06:22 so split into a bunch of stacks and have the game roll for all of them? 06:22 Septieme: yep 06:22 <@Computer Man> There are things humanity was not supposed to discover 06:22 Septieme: you want to either have a second blessed RC scroll for after you've unconfused 06:22 arahael: kind of ;) trappers get random nastytrap effects, so basically anything can happen 06:22 or drop everything else ihn your invent before doing it 06:22 I would assume that's self evident 06:22 Septieme: other option if you cant manufactor a confusion source and a blessed scroll of remove curse somehow 06:23 Deathly cold!? 06:23 just a flavor message for entering the void jumpgate 06:23 Septieme: i guess but for example i always had the strat in mind as requiring two scrolls until i saw lux do it with one and just drop peverything except water first 06:23 anyhow you can also convert mt altar without shanking the priest 06:24 but you need a scroll of earth and a bit of patience 06:24 <@Computer Man> Slexer, try playing addict murderer 06:24 i prefer blessed confuse remove curse if i can access that because it also gets you unholy 06:24 <@Computer Man> With the extra race that makes stats unchangeable if you're feeling feisty 06:24 and boulder trapping the priest is annoying 06:25 The pool challenge!? 06:25 I don't exactly have blessed scrolls easily available, which is exactly what I want the water for really 06:25 arahael: not sure if you ever played devnull; the actual challenges aren't playable, but the branches are in slex 06:25 Septieme: Don't kill an aligned priest. 06:25 Septieme: well yea but sometimes you luck into one, or can blank another blessed scroll of something 06:25 LarienTelrunya: I've played vanilla. And evil. That's... It... 06:25 and you only need to do it once then you've got your holy water problem solved 06:25 well the pool challenge has some boulders and holes ;) 06:26 Septieme: boulder trapping the priest might be your best bet if you have no way besides wish for marker to get the blessed scroll 06:26 LarienTelrunya: I'm annoyed and irriated at something!? Because I'm hungry!? 06:27 lmao intrinsic hanger 06:27 nah because of the roommate hybrid race, which must have placed a random special room somewhere else 06:27 so...no priest shanking? 06:27 gotcha 06:27 <@luxidream> i mean you would lose telepathy 06:27 <@luxidream> but that's only a minor annoyance 06:27 <@luxidream> I'd do it anyway 06:27 Septieme: if you're really stacked you can pull it off probably, but it's not necessary, ah yeah and the telepathy loss/luck penalty for murder i a thing 06:28 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:28 <@luxidream> i mean he has mr and reflection so the priest can't do anything to him 06:28 ok fair 06:28 lol 06:28 boulder trapping niceguy strats still an option! 06:28 tho it is kinda a pain to set up 06:28 lol 06:28 <@luxidream> is it possible for all sizes of temple 06:29 i think nah 06:29 depends what mt you haver 06:29 if you can't trap him shank him 06:29 telepathy can be regained and isn't strictly necessary 06:29 I think I just have the GDSM's MR 06:29 you only need one source of MR 06:29 <@luxidream> don't you have amulet of reflection 06:30 It seems I had a *vow of celibacy*. 06:30 Which I've broken... Twice... 06:30 huh 06:30 weird 06:30 !rng tea | coffee 06:30 aoei: tea 06:31 the beholder knows what's up 06:31 aye 06:31 arahael a what now 06:31 this is definitely not the nethack I'm aware of 06:31 slex? 06:31 Septieme: 'fraid so. 06:32 arahael: looks like you have the interface screw trap which means the screen doesn't redraw unless you press Ctrl-R 06:32 LarienTelrunya: That's mapped to "change screen" in tmux! 06:33 ugh... try #redraw then 06:33 !rng green | breakfast | lady grey 06:33 aoei: lady grey 06:33 very well mr. irc bot 06:36 <@iatrocrat> ive lost telepathy in the astral plane once 06:37 <@iatrocrat> couldn't get it back 06:38 [hdf-au] [slex] Arahael (Kur Trp Fem Law), 2434 points, T:1987, killed by a filthy traitor 06:38 astral is a bit late for telepathy recovery lol 06:38 F 06:38 also quick question 06:38 rip arahael :/ was fun to watch though 06:38 what's the safe limit for enchanting DSMs? 06:39 +3? 06:39 LarienTelrunya: I'm going to assume that all slex games involve fleecy clothes. 06:39 Septieme: Once it's +3, you can no-longer safely enchant. 06:40 ah. so better not wear my scale mail for the next round. got too lucky that time 06:40 Septieme: Oh, sorry, my mistake. 06:40 it's weapons which are safe up to +5 right 06:40 and elven ones are safe +2 beyond that correct? 06:40 Septieme: once it's +3, you can enchant one last time. The safe limit is +5, but +3 is the last chance you can safely enchant. 06:40 ah 06:40 arahael: well they do, but trapper kurwa is also a particularly crazy combo ;) if you play e.g. orc noob mode barb, the game will be much more normal by comparison 06:41 Septieme: So if your armour is +4, and you want it to be safely enchanted again, kyou have to reduce the enchantment down to at most +3 first. 06:42 LarienTelrunya: Do people complete Slex? 06:42 "complete" as in ascend? two players managed to do it so far 06:42 Wow. Two. 06:42 and myself, but my ascensions were long ago 06:42 and use a blessed scroll if I don't want to make reducing it to +3 only to come back to +4 06:42 i.e. I ascended it a couple of times before it became as long as it is now 06:43 so, 3 people in total have *ever* won slex 06:43 yep, and currently no 4th one is in view, but maybe someday? 06:44 The game seemed *super* random. 06:44 Lets see what it's like with a familiar race. 06:46 "The stair is currently blocked and will reopen in 8 turns"? 06:47 that can randomly happen and is mostly an anti-stairdancing mechanic 06:49 You're right, playing a familiar role makes the game significantly more familiar. 06:51 I like how it warns you about dangerious spots before you step into it. 06:52 :) 06:53 Chatting to monsters doesn't result in any chat. 06:53 Hmm... And my leather gloves are... Rusty? 06:53 did that hobbit just drop 373 lead shots?! 06:54 and yeah the leather gloves aren't necessarily made of leather 06:55 It did. 06:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47708 06:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47713 07:00 which combo you doing now arahael? 07:01 amateurhour: Monk. 07:01 I'm surprised you're still going arahael 07:01 aosdict: I figured I'd seen what a wacky role was like, and now to see what a 'regular' role is like. 07:02 arahael: about that cursed pick-axe, if you don't have a way to get it removed, you can still kick enemies which is probably more effective as it uses and trains martial arts 07:03 LarienTelrunya: Ah, good tip. 07:03 Except I'm stunned. 07:03 which race(s) arahael 07:03 amateurhour: Monk. Ah, Elf. 07:03 ah, yeah the digdug challenge has a bunch of wands of stun monster, and monsters can also use them 07:04 why elf and not something like angel? :P 07:04 angel isn't all that easy anymore 07:04 why, what did you nerf? 07:04 mobileuser: The point was to see what it was like in a familiar race. 07:05 well it's already been a while, but darkness attacks hammer an angel player character and they're also more susceptible to sanity, contamination and a few other things that I forgot 07:05 oh right 07:05 lame 07:05 :P 07:05 still a great race 07:06 doesn't mention the downsides on the wiki 07:06 * amateurhour slides over 1 zorkmid 07:06 uhh yeah I might edit them in at some point 07:06 amateurhour: I didn't think to check the wiki at all for slex! 07:07 arahael: add the sokosolver hybrid race to unlock 100% of your brain 07:07 amateurhour: What's that? 07:07 most floors get turned into sokoban floors 07:08 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 07:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:47863 07:09 amateurhour: Hmm? 07:09 LarienTelrunya: So, what's the point of this level? 07:09 arahael: none really, except that you may receive a pick-axe and a few wands of stun monster 07:09 ordinary dungeon floors are replaced with sokoban floors, if you have the hybrid race 'sokosolver' 07:09 LarienTelrunya: Curious. 07:09 idk another way to phrase this 07:09 lol 07:10 but if you enter all five challenge levels in a single game, you receive +1 to a random stats 07:10 oh, if you have enough zorkmids, you can also potentially buy an uncurse service from a shopkeeper; to access services, press p while not holding any unpaid wares 07:10 not all shopkeepers have that service though 07:11 Seems hitting enter makes me move down. 07:12 make sure you actually up your spirituality skill :) 07:13 will arahael be the third non-Amy to ascend slex? :P 07:13 you could also get the pick-axe off by dropping everything that can rust/blank, and then walking into the water repeatedly 07:13 amateurhour: Unlikely. I'll probably return to evil, but lets see. Maybe I want to be titty-punched again. 07:13 this requires patience though as it often requires many dives in the water until the pick-axe is destroyed 07:13 LarienTelrunya: Yeah, I did consider that. 07:14 LarienTelrunya: Wasn't sure if it'd "rust away" in this variant, but it doesn't surprise me that it would! 07:14 <@Computer Man> Has arahael done a murderer yet? 07:14 it would also corrode away if you hit acid blobs often enough :D 07:14 Computer Man: No, but I'm going to bed very soon. 07:14 <@Computer Man> Aww 07:17 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 07:17 Is there a limit to the inventory? 07:17 no, but if you have more than 52 items, extra items become # and that makes it hard to select them 07:17 that's why you should absolutely find and use a portable container 07:18 boxes and chests can be carried in slex :D 07:18 does zapping things on an altar with a supposed wand of cancellation do anything? 07:18 <@Computer Man> Like a wallet 07:18 will it cause any divine retribution? 07:18 LarienTelrunya: So no weight limit? 07:18 or piss off the priest? 07:18 arahael: there is a weight limit, but it's much higher 07:21 Hmm, not sure what I shoudl do now. 07:21 I think I have to swim through that moat. 07:21 well I'd try the panic digging technique, or the phase door one 07:22 phase door works on walls? 07:22 are you aware of techniques? use the #technique command 07:22 well phase door is a short-range teleport, while panic digging razes the walls adjacent to you 07:22 Fascinating. 07:22 I think this is *much* easier than evil. 07:22 :D 07:23 panic digging doesn't work on shop walls, because that would make shoplifting too easy, but apart from that it can be pretty useful 07:23 arahael: ascend it then 07:23 :) 07:23 LarienTelrunya: I noticed they're not diggable anyway. 07:23 amateurhour: Haha. 07:24 arahael: well they are, they give "This wall seems too hard to dig into" to warn you that you're digging into a shop; it's easy to confuse the message with "This wall is too hard to dig into" for actual undiggable walls 07:24 how would it even be used for shoplifting? 07:24 Ok, I'm going to rub these lamps, then probably die as I kill the shopkeeper. 07:24 <@Joanna> Internet is being so shit today 07:24 in the 20 turns of para or whatever the shopkeeper would just rebuild them 07:24 Need to get to bed anyway. 07:24 <@Joanna> !rng do grownup things | play vidya 07:24 @Joanna: do grownup things 07:25 And this game is just a bit too *bizarre* for me at the moment! 07:25 <@Joanna> :=( 07:25 amateurhour: well I was too lazy to code it such that they get flagged as "need to be rebuilt" :P 07:25 ah 07:25 lol 07:25 <@Joanna> Lol i told ya arahael couldn't handle slex 07:26 @Streicheljoanna: he's actually doing pretty well 07:26 Joanna: There's a limit to how many times I can cope with getting tittypunched whilst fondling a butt. 07:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:21457 07:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:21458 07:26 arahael: LOL 07:30 morning 07:30 omg what did i just walk into 07:31 did arahael start playing slex? 07:31 yes unfortunately 07:31 hah 07:31 he was like 07:31 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 07:31 "i am considering something easier than evil" 07:31 "i am considering slex" 07:31 i laughed hard 07:31 evilhack is bad i should play slex 07:31 much more sane developer 07:31 lol this ^ 07:32 just... wow 07:32 oh amateurhour i tried to send you a paste yesterday but i think you missed it cuz you'd gone to bed already 07:32 K2: I have no idea what i am doing. And I still prefer evilhack. 07:32 :P 07:32 just do what you'd usually do arahael 07:32 K2: I had no idea how... Insane Slex is and how disturbed it's developer is. 07:32 amateurhour: https://dpaste.com/CD3NX3ZAH 07:33 disturbed hahaha :D 07:34 when was your last slex asc Amy? 2018? 07:34 amateurhour: could be 07:34 insane how? 07:34 in any case it was before the dungeon became longer 07:34 LarienTelrunya, found something - "victorian underwear". 07:34 Septieme: play slex as a trapper kurwa and you'll find out *bundlebundlebundle!* :D 07:34 Septieme: it's impossible to succinctly describe 07:35 LarienTelrunya: Slex actually has *pants*? 07:35 arahael: haha, they're worn on top of the indestructible pants that all player characters have ;) 07:35 I would do that, if my sanity were already not at stake due to reality 07:35 <@Computer Man> Props to the indestructible undergarments 07:36 just want to point out again that slex can be actually fun 07:36 <@Computer Man> Addict Murderer>>>other slex combos 07:37 it appears to be my most-played variant 07:37 <@Computer Man> You poor thing 07:38 [hdf-au] [slex] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 36653 points, T:3874, killed by a bolt of fire 07:38 aww 07:39 Seems I didn't have intrinsic sleep resist. 07:39 !lastgame arahael 07:39 amateurhour: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1600586690.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/slex/dumplog/1616582739.slex.txt 07:39 you did 07:39 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:39 amateurhour: The wand bypassed it, then. 07:39 LarienTelrunya, does a kurwa really have pants? 07:39 but in slex, intrinsics need to be 'doubled' to fully work 07:39 and yes this nerfs monks 07:39 amateurhour: I was a monk *and* an elf. 07:39 aosdict: yes, I better don't describe what they look like though ;) 07:40 you need both intrinsic and extrinsic to have double sleep resist 07:40 amateurhour: double sleep resistance is 95% chance to not be put to sleep 07:40 LarienTelrunya: Do they look like what you might find in the 'sexy' section of Victoria's Secret? 07:40 it is as BS as it sounds 07:40 :P 07:40 moral of the story don't play slex 07:40 arahael: :D probably 07:40 LarienTelrunya: Good thing I've never been in that store, then! ;) 07:40 btw i just added my name to a cool petition: https://rms-open-letter.github.io/ 07:41 without CNT-FAI online someone needs to bring up the political stuff now 07:42 > feminism dragon scale mail 07:42 > victorian underwear 07:42 apparently people were not joking when they said slex is *slightly* insane 07:42 lol 07:42 Septieme: Oh, they were joking. 07:42 just slightly 07:42 like a teensy bit 07:42 they were slightly joking 07:42 Septieme: The joke is on the word "slightly". 07:42 the "slightly" was the joke 07:42 dammit arahael beat me to it 07:42 :P 07:42 ba dump tss 07:42 heh, yeah slex isn't insane, it's *completely* insane :P 07:44 might play some more in lunch break 07:44 aoei: no, no one needs to bring up the political stuff 07:44 sadly I have to leave in 5 minutes for today's tour, and it's gonna take a while 07:44 aosdict: awe 07:44 but is fun 07:45 do you need to do that work thing Amy? sounds like you'd have more free time without it 07:45 <@Computer Man> Septieme: "slightly" insane is a bit of an understatement 07:45 LarienTelrunya: Well, I'd best take off anything fuzzy or whatever, and get some sleep. 07:45 <@Computer Man> put on some fleecy pajamas 07:45 arahael: put on something fleecy and--ninjad 07:45 LarienTelrunya: Why? ;) 07:45 G'night! 07:46 well, I guess "and sink your head into a cuddly pillow ♥ Schmusekissen ♥" 07:46 understatements are the best statements 07:46 amateurhour: but I also need zorkmids :P 07:47 ...does a bottle of peanut butter exist in slex? 07:47 <@Computer Man> lmao 07:47 haha 07:47 <@Computer Man> YANI butter stick that lets you take off cursed armor 07:48 * arahael <-- This Cheap Sex Slave has left. 07:48 why butter when there is already grease 07:48 because it's funny 07:48 <@Computer Man> because butter is more comical 07:48 :P 07:48 Septieme: you get peanut butter from a bottle? ew 07:48 <@Computer Man> imagine a ketchup bottle 07:48 <@Computer Man> but it has peanut butter 07:48 yeah wtf since when does butter come in bottles 07:48 buttles :P 07:48 <@Computer Man> even more of a nightmare to get the right amount out 07:49 sounds chock full of preservatives 07:49 <@Computer Man> im sleepy 07:49 anyway I also have to leave now, later guys :) 07:49 seeya 07:49 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: play slex! bundlebundlebundle! :)] 07:50 <@Computer Man> bye amy 07:50 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Rod Mal Law), 6274 points, T:871, quit 07:50 this isn't butter in a bottle but it tries to be like butter: https://www.supermaxonline.com/images_products/213115.jpg 07:52 <@Computer Man> "I can't believe it's not butter!" 07:52 <@Computer Man> and it actually isn't 07:52 amateurhour: https://www.zdnet.com/article/linus-torvalds-on-where-rust-will-fit-into-linux/ 07:52 <@Computer Man> bros but isn't rust like that survival game 07:53 aosdict nah I'm going more from something that happened to me in CDDA 07:53 rust is a programming language 07:53 accidentally filled a plastic bottle with peanut butter I got on a jar 07:53 in* 07:53 i really need to figure out how to ignore based on message rather than nick!user@host in weechat 07:53 it is also ferrous oxide 07:53 and ferric oxide as well iirc 07:54 <@Computer Man> oxygen and metal 07:54 whatever I'm not a chemist :) 07:54 i'm a chemist and i couldn't even tell you 07:54 LOL 07:54 <@Computer Man> hows chemistry 07:54 idk i quit im really a NEET now 07:54 chemist by education tho 07:55 it is ferric/ferrous oxide with a bit of water in it iirc 07:55 Septieme: sounds legit 07:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:21471 07:55 then again I'm just some shmuck who studied chem like 2 years ago and has been working on medicine since\ 07:55 water can coordinate to the complexes but some parts will also coordinate to actual metallic Fe 07:55 <@Computer Man> rust is metal oxidation 07:55 <@Computer Man> no pesky explanations 07:56 wrong actually 07:56 rust is specifically iron oxidation products 07:56 other metal oxides are other things 07:56 <@Computer Man> technically correct 07:56 <@Computer Man> in part, at least 07:56 lol are you trying to teach a chemist chemistry now 07:56 let's hear it 07:57 quick question 07:57 there's no rings that cause boh to go boom right? 07:57 right 07:58 <@Computer Man> whens ring of cancellation 07:59 <@Computer Man> also won't hear it, i'm typing so it can only be read 07:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1950 08:00 imagine not using auditory metaphors in text-based communication 08:00 <@Computer Man> right? 08:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Mage, on T:21516 08:01 so are you gonna school me or what mr. science man 08:02 aoei: you realize you're biting the troll bait here right? 08:02 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 08:02 <@Computer Man> oh i get the misunderstanding 08:02 aosdict: i know 08:03 aosdict: i can't help it 08:03 <@Computer Man> i said i am partly correct 08:03 <@Computer Man> yours is on point 08:03 ah ok lol 08:03 aosdict: i still haven't figuredo ut how to do the clever ignore in weechat 08:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1570 points, T:2295, killed by a wounded giant spider 08:03 <@Computer Man> whats with the ignoring 08:03 <@Computer Man> that's like, rude 08:03 -!- Septieme has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:04 the simple ignore command involves hostmask and server/channel stuff 08:04 <@Computer Man> technology amirite 08:04 right? 08:04 <@Computer Man> who you tryna ignore? 08:05 no comment 08:05 <@Computer Man> nocomment? never seen a guy called that around here 08:05 <@Computer Man> is he new? 08:06 aoei: a quick google shows the /filter command 08:07 aosdict: ahhhhh ofc 08:07 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 08:07 <@Computer Man> stuff is so much easier on the discord side, phew 08:07 which variants are people currently playing? 08:08 <@Computer Man> in general or right now? 08:08 i just play vanilla i am boring 08:08 in general 08:08 I'm not playing any literally this second as at work :P 08:08 maybe I should switch to weechat 08:08 i played evilhack and i will probably continue it 08:08 <@Computer Man> i play vanilla and dnh but only because it has binder 08:08 aosdict: thanks for googling for me btw lmao i am lazy 08:08 got bored with vanilla conduct runs 08:08 user scripts in irssi are perl so I can't actually script anything 08:09 aosdict: yeah irssi is dying and that's one of the major reasons 08:09 <@Computer Man> stenno2: do a zen run 🙂 08:09 stenno I'm sure you'll find evilhack okay 08:09 i thought about zen 08:09 aoei: source on irssi dying? 08:09 i think evilhack is exactly what i need 08:09 /filter add aoeisfilter * * "text to trigger filter" 08:09 i think.. 08:09 because its a modern fork (sorry unnethack) and just harder 08:09 aosdict: my gut but i can try to find out if there's actual data about user community sizes 08:10 evilhack too hard for my amateur brain 08:10 i doubt it 08:10 dnh is epic though, probably my favourite so far 08:10 weechat is just irssi but better so it makes sense 08:10 dnethack is awesome, yeah 08:10 <@Computer Man> its so complicated 08:10 imo thats part of its appeal 08:11 also its somehow atmospheric like no other variant 08:11 super complicated variants actually put me off lol 08:11 i like xnh and unnethack the most 08:11 aosdict: bhaak: <3 08:11 xnethack is great, but unnethack aged a bit 08:11 something I really like in dnh is never really needing to grind 08:12 but unnethack still has a special place in my heart because it was the first variant i played 08:12 you can just keep moving to more optional fun stuff and power up 08:12 and it was the only good modern variant back in 3.4.3 days 08:12 no worries about how you're gonna get to xlvl 14 or whatever 08:12 amateurhour: no need to grind in vanilla if you play the right meta speedrun strats 5Head 08:12 just go and do fun stuff 08:13 part of the appeal of speedrunning is it is the zero-grinding 08:13 imo 08:13 thats how i got into speedrunning in the fist place 08:13 first 08:13 and there's so much fun stuff to do 08:14 <@Computer Man> man, im tired 08:14 i find complicated variants daunting because i dont know stuff or what to expect 08:14 that should actually be exciting in a game 08:14 but for nethack variants it doesnt work out so well, least not for me 08:14 I think the problem with unnethack is that it's trying to kind of take stuff out of 3.6/7 while still remaining clearly a 3.4.3 variant 08:14 <@Computer Man> having to keep a branch map open in dnh is some pretty big stuff 08:15 and long term, I think the only way to stave off "aging" is to keep merging vanilla 08:15 as an expert fake computer scientist and NetHack DevTeam developer and variant dev 08:16 I 100% agree with aosdict's assessment 08:16 bhaak: ur gonna have to merge 3.7 08:16 once you say well that's it I'm not going to merge again, you have to drag players into past versions in order for them to play 08:16 sorry 08:17 assuming that vanilla will just improve further over time, you will get into situations where players demand the vanilla features 08:17 that was not an issue during 3.4.3 08:17 I think things might be different if nethack's playerbase had fragmented more after 3.6 came out 08:17 <@Computer Man> being spoiled by 3.7 QoL is the dev's way of destroying variants 08:17 <@Computer Man> it's all a ploy by Big Nethack 08:17 <@Computer Man> open your eyes people 08:18 it was actually quite fragmented after 3.6.0 was released 08:18 say if nao for example said "ugh 3.6 is awful and we're not going to host it" 08:18 but at some point 3.4.3-NAO was removed from NAO 08:18 now nobody plays 3.4.3 tho 08:19 but luckily paxed joined DT and we got a lot of NAO changes into vanilla 08:19 people seem to play it exclusively on like phone ports 08:19 nowadays there is no more reason to play 3.4.3-NAO imo 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] aosdictj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:131, killed by a newt 08:19 ^ hey look someone plays 343 :P 08:19 unless you wanna troll like aosdict 08:19 that wasn't very cashmoney of you aosdict jr 08:19 :D 08:20 should have quickly and ironically ascended 08:20 run a bothack instance 08:20 can you still SWAGGINZZZ it up in 3.4.3-hdf? 08:20 no 08:21 actually i am not sure 08:21 hdf forces all variants to use /dev/urandom with the chroot setup 08:21 iirc 08:21 I think it has the periodic reseed 08:21 K2 should be able to confirm that this works with 343-hdf 08:21 anti-swagginnz was bought into vanilla at 3.6.3 08:22 anyway bothack will still work in on 3.4.3-hdf because its a proper bot 08:22 no rng prediction 08:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:21662 08:22 just a hint of puddingfarming 08:22 stenno2: K2 may have patched 343-hdf to do the dev urandom stuff hto 08:22 who made bothack anyway 08:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:21664 08:22 <@Computer Man> the time there still were vladsbanes 08:22 duke- 08:23 <@Computer Man> guys what variant should i play 08:23 duke-, where ever you are, Pog 08:23 they were on the ascrun irc bouncer 08:23 it doesn't, just checked 08:23 so maybe kerio knows more 08:23 amateurhour: what doesn't 08:24 3.4.3-hdf still vuln to SWAGGINZZZ sploit? :o 08:24 duke- quit (*.net *.split), 1535d 11h ago 08:24 <@Computer Man> what is that swagginzzz thingy 08:24 yeah 08:24 computer man: https://pellsson.github.io/ 08:25 clever TAS 08:25 <@Computer Man> ah, right 08:26 <@Computer Man> that reminds me of the 0-turn ascension thingy 08:26 you mean in splicehack? 08:26 when going < on the dl1 stairs was an ascension? 08:26 <@Computer Man> nah 08:27 <@Computer Man> some theoretical thing about traps not taking a turn 08:27 <@Computer Man> and that triggers a domino effect with a bunch of other stuff 08:29 i think ais investigated this and wasn't able to profit from it 08:30 <@Tone> That was around 2004 turns iirc 08:30 <@Computer Man> hey tone 08:30 its the infamous 'leaves you outside of time' bug 08:30 <@Tone> Hi 🙂 08:31 hey Tone 08:31 think this one is related to that too https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1424 08:32 SC343-18 08:33 note that this is (maybe?) not related to the bug where when in lava, any action would cost movement points 08:33 so looking into your inventory could kill you 08:34 <@Computer Man> that was fun 08:35 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 9740 points, T:7242, poisoned by a quasit 08:36 I've forgotten where to find ais' writeup of a minimum possible turncount route 08:37 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:29954 08:37 could you swagginz up the setseed variant? 08:37 stenno2: what vanilla features are you missing in vanilla? 08:37 http://nethack4.org/latest/nethack-tas-tools/turnbyturn.txt 08:37 amateurhour: no 08:37 thanks stenno 08:38 bhaak: nani 08:38 setseed works a bit differently idk 08:38 also are you talking setseed with a seed actually set or setseed with randomly chosen starting seed 08:38 correct me if i'm wrong, but with the inclusion of isaac64 to 3.6/3.7, you cant 'swagginz up' nethack or any variant that has it 08:39 ^ bhaak is that right? 08:39 setseed only concerns certain things 08:39 K2, right, we wanted to know if it was backported to hdf-343 08:39 no 08:39 which is also waht amateurhour said before, but thanks for confirm 08:39 bhaak: from 3.4.3-NAO i am missing the utf-8 shenanigans 08:39 stenno2: "assuming that vanilla will just improve further over time, you will get into situations where players demand the vanilla features" for unnethack to have aged, there must be features you hang the "age" bit on 08:40 K2: yes. 343-hdf should also not be susceptile to it as it was based on 3.4.3-nao 08:40 ah 08:40 but swagginnzzz was done on 3.4.3-NAO 08:40 no 08:40 was NAO patched seperately? 08:40 3.6.1 08:40 oh 08:40 yeah swagginzzz wasn't even a 343 exploit 08:40 3.6.1 on NAO 08:41 bhaak: how about #terrain ? 08:41 I don't like the reseeding bit as that is just a gruesome hack. the RNG should be good enough to beginn with, if it isn't, you deserve to be hacked 08:41 stenno I thought the thing that prevented it was reseeding from a random device 08:41 stenno2: xnethack's or vanilla's version? :) 08:41 bhaak: so 3.4.3-nao also has the reseeding hack? 08:41 and thus 3.4.3-hdf 08:41 but 3.6.1 didn't? 08:42 aoei: AFAIK, yes, that was paxed way of ensuring that you can't use rainbow tables 08:42 aoei: 3.6 is not based on NAO 08:42 aoei: you have to keep in mind how superior 3.4.3-NAO was to 3.6 08:42 it only caught up recently 08:42 bhaak: ah so he didn't patch this fix to 3.6 til later 08:42 or port 08:42 rahter 08:42 i got it 08:42 he wasn't in the devteam in 3.6.0 i think 08:42 thanks for the explanations 08:43 yes. there was a lot to port for 3.6.0 and not everything was considered 08:43 stenno2: no, I think he was. 08:43 right nor did he make 3.6.0-NAO before running it on the server 08:43 hmm lets see 08:43 ah ok 08:43 oh that must have been during the whole leak thing 08:44 https://nethack.org/common/news.html 08:44 3.7 > 3.6 08:44 it's just maths 08:44 ah yes so it was after the leak but before the 3.6.0 release 08:45 amateurhour: hahaha 08:46 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1397 08:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1043 points, T:3146, killed by a wounded rothe 08:47 turbulent times 08:47 I can't believe you went back in time nearly 8 years just to snipe my remark 08:48 amateurhour: LOL 08:48 after a while, everything is just repeating 08:49 history never repeats 08:49 it can be similar but never the same 08:49 there's no such restrictions for IRC jokes 08:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed the Grue, on T:42587 08:49 all of this has happened before 08:50 stenno2: patterns repeat, but whole configurations are never fully identical 08:50 same thing, yeah 08:50 (almost) 08:51 yeah i just like my wording better :D 08:51 OMGScoots 08:51 heh 08:51 hm? 08:51 emote for expressing that someone is a smartass 08:51 from that hip streaming site called twitch 08:52 don't worry if you don't get it, you are just getting old 08:52 imagine a hip-streaming site 08:52 implying that aoei is older than me 08:52 I need to use words that those old people understand 08:52 :P 08:52 bhaak: ahahahah 08:53 bhaak you are old! 08:53 bhahahahahk 08:53 but you do hip things like watch games on twitch that the kids are doing 08:53 unlike this old greybeard K2 08:53 'chief greybush' to you 08:53 * stenno2 waits for the inevitable hothraxxa comment how we are all young whippersnappers 08:53 aoei: you can't prove that I am old 08:53 lol 08:53 stenno2: wait am I not older than you 🤔 08:53 bhaak: you have told me yourself 08:54 must i fetch IRC logs 08:54 I could have lied 08:54 aoei: i think you are 5-6 years younger than me 08:54 <@Computer Man> greybush is a bit too stripper-y 08:54 stenno2: are you in your thirties :o 08:54 yes 08:54 okay fine you'ree older 08:54 i am the same age as amy 08:54 its the actual nickname i had on my 2nd tour 08:54 i dont remeember how old is Amy 08:54 there must have been something about that generation that is messed up 08:54 maybe cernobyl 08:55 LOL 08:55 :P 08:55 so stenno and Amy are like 35ish 08:55 something like that, yeah 08:55 <@Computer Man> K2: were you in the navy? 08:55 aoei: wait, aren't you 30 now? 08:55 army 08:55 bhaak: not quite! 08:55 just retired a couple weeks ago 08:55 aoei: negative days don't count 08:55 dunno if i just doxxed her but she mentioned it in this channel already 08:55 also sorry chief Greybush 08:55 <@Computer Man> that's cool 08:56 chief greybush is an awesome name 08:56 stenno2: don't worry you can't doxx Amy 08:56 she doesn't use her real name and the vague age statement is not a significant piece of info 08:56 i guess yeah 08:56 I don't know when I'm driving the train next time in Germany but I'm pretty sure I would immediately recognize her 08:56 bhaak: I'll be 30 in June 08:56 *on the train. 08:57 <@Computer Man> oh em gee 08:57 <@Computer Man> amy is not her actual name 08:57 aoei: of which passed year? 08:57 <@Computer Man> unbelievable 08:57 bhaak: lmao this year in June 08:57 im still genuinely 29 08:57 for now 08:57 in a few months ill be "um im totally 29.." 08:57 aoei: are you sure? covid has that amnesia effect. I constantly think I've done something last year and it was 2 years ago :) 08:57 bhaak: lmao 08:57 <@Computer Man> im 8, how did i get here 08:58 i remember when i turned 28 i sometimes forgot 08:58 and thought i was still 27 08:58 bhaak: i just did the maths to be sure, I'm 29 08:58 but you are a chemist 08:58 *for the moment* 08:58 LOL 08:58 ture 08:58 I would verify that by running it by kerio 08:58 chemists can't math 08:58 don't listen to me 08:58 kerio is about the same age as aoei 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 183 points, T:222, killed by an uninjured coyote 08:59 kerio is a year younger IIRC 08:59 right 08:59 and further in a career because he didn't make the dumbass mistake of doing a PhD 08:59 :c 08:59 or certain other dumb mistakes 08:59 <@Computer Man> woo 08:59 <@Computer Man> academia! 09:00 but phd at age 29 is pretty impressive 09:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 13 points, T:164, killed by an uninjured kitten called Catnip 09:00 stenno2: how dare you i have made no other dumb mistakes ever 09:00 ah right sorry 09:00 except maybe drugs, my marriage, and playing too much vidya 09:01 also kerio confirms my maths is correct 09:01 but i could have lied to him about my date of birth 09:01 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 09:01 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Gha Mal Law), 5897 points, T:2089, killed by a monster (mauler) 09:02 !8ball should i eat breakfast 09:02 aoei: My sources say no 09:02 yeah you're right, it's already past lunchtime 09:03 !rng eat breakfast food for lunch | eat lunch food for breakfast 09:03 aoei: eat breakfast food for lunch 09:03 <{Demo}3> hmm i should make breakfast 09:03 <@Computer Man> !8ball should i do the dishes 09:03 @Computer Man: Concentrate and ask again 09:03 never do the dishes 09:03 <@Computer Man> should i just shake the ball again 09:04 just pile them somewhere and buy new ones when you run out 5Head 09:04 <@Computer Man> or do i have to ask again too 09:04 shake the ball 09:04 <@Computer Man> !8ball 09:04 @Computer Man: Better not tell you now 09:04 you may have to decide this one on your own :o 09:04 <@Computer Man> possibly 09:04 <@Computer Man> third time's the charm 09:04 <@Computer Man> !8ball 09:04 @Computer Man: Without a doubt 09:04 welp best get to them dishes 09:04 F 09:04 <@Computer Man> beholder set me up 09:04 hahaha 09:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Engagement Ring", on T:43857 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 582875 points, T:21124, quit 09:08 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:1944 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:5154 09:14 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 09:17 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 454 points, T:1945, killed by a wounded hobgoblin 09:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:22 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:25 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3830 points, T:2652, killed by a Kop Lieutenant 09:25 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 11599 points, T:4152, killed by a gnome lord 09:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:48646 09:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:48942 09:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 325 points, T:997, killed by a barely wounded small mimic 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 310 points, T:686, killed by a gas spore's explosion 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "elbereth", on T:3656 09:40 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 09:40 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 09:42 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 1193 points, T:981, quit 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3679 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 957 points, T:970, killed by a nearly deceased killer bee 09:49 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 09:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) murdered Greebo, his faithful kitten, on T:1166 09:55 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 09:55 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 170 points, T:468, petrified by a How about a pupil experiment - cut off your ears. 09:55 -!- tommo has quit [Client Quit] 09:55 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 09:56 o/ 09:57 \o 09:57 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 09:57 <@Computer Man> \o/ 09:57 ay it's tommo! 09:57 @@le?How about a pupil experiment - cut off your ears 09:57 How about a pupil experiment - cut off your ears ~1~ How about a pupil experiment - cut off your ears. (~) | Lvl: 0 | Diff: 2 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 1d1 bite poly, 0d0 touch stone-edge | Alignment: 0 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, infravisible 09:57 heh 09:57 wat 09:58 how are ya tommo :) 09:58 soooo tired 09:58 <@Computer Man> is this irc tome 09:59 im startin work again in a lil. its an adjustment 4 sure! ^^; 09:59 i can imagine lol 09:59 wats new? :3 09:59 i been a NEET too long getting tired of it 09:59 oh um i know nothing still 09:59 heck 09:59 soon! 09:59 yes hopefully 10:00 anyway i gotta go shopping, do good with the work things today :o 10:00 dont... worry... ha 10:00 thank uuuu<3 10:00 <@iatrocrat> tome ascii is ugly 10:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 10:00 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 10:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 398 points, T:1098, [0:03:49], killed by a wounded pony 10:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 4343 points, T:4751, killed by a nearly deceased housecat 10:13 it might have randomised attacks that don't appear in pinobot output aosdict 10:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1110 points, T:1986, [0:09:06], killed by a wounded werewolf 10:13 a lot of the ~ monsters do 10:14 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1714 10:16 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:8354 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) stole 926 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Wonotobo's general store, on T:1358 10:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 3301 points, T:1510, killed by an uninjured giant bat 10:24 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu), 19557 points, T:8465, killed by an ogre lady 10:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 8342 points, T:5955, killed by a mumak 10:26 @le?Ariane 10:26 Ariane (Q) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 38 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock acid petrification | Confers: fire cold sleep shock acid | MR: 75 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 2d10 weapon level drain, 2d8 kick depressing, 5d10 non-contacting-beam fire, 5d10 non-contacting-beam shock, 5d10 non-contacting-beam cold | Alignment: 10 | Flags: omnivore, flies, regenerates, nopoly, stalker 10:26 @le?Lady Ariane 10:26 No such monster. 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 13156 points, T:9986, killed by an uninjured hill orc called Akhaiz of Baneugrisa 10:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3710 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering a rothe corpse on an altar of The Lady, on T:4081 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Cohen's ghost, the former Rambler, on T:1757 10:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Priest, on T:4598 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2023 10:49 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 10:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] bezaban (Kni Hum Mal Law), 116 points, T:985, killed by an uninjured fox 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5005 10:52 -!- microla has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2275 11:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1454 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a poisonous corpse), on T:6032 11:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:14 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 31 points, T:131, killed by a djinni 11:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3908 points, T:4226, killed by a wounded ogre 11:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:53210 11:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7091 11:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Fixed +3 Large Glass Katana", on T:53770 11:48 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 340 points, T:1192, zombified by a kobold zombie 11:51 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 8036 points, T:5447, killed by a monster (normal porpse) 11:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Fixed +3 Blue Dragon Scale Mail", on T:53882 11:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:9358 11:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 28696 points, T:9477, killed by a rope golem 11:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Fixed Bone +3 Gauntlets of Dexterity", on T:53953 12:04 -!- spicycat has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 12:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Fixed +3 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:54849 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:23124 12:16 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 12:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:55156 12:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) averted death, on T:35607 12:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4084 12:30 <@Computer Man> dishes done 12:30 <@Computer Man> finally 12:30 <{Demo}3> 3 hours? 12:32 maybe working at a restaurant 12:32 <@Computer Man> i just left it for last minute and couldnt notify the finishing of the task 12:34 -!- AmyBundlebundle has joined #hardfought 12:35 @@le?ariane lady of the elements 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 437 points, T:428, killed by a slightly wounded dwarf 12:35 ariane lady of the elements ~1~ Ariane, Lady of the Elements (Q) | Lvl: 90 | Diff: 75 | Spd: 15 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock acid petrification | Confers: fire cold sleep shock acid | MR: 75 | Generates: unique | AC: -20 | Attacks: 5d10 weapon physical, 5d10 kick physical, 5d10 non-contacting-beam fire, 5d10 non-contacting-beam shock, 5d10 non-contacting-beam cold | Alignment: 10 | Flags: omnivore, flies, regene 12:35 amateurhour: you meant that one, right? 😀 12:35 <@Computer Man> hey amy 12:36 hi addict murderer man 😄 12:38 yeah I did, thanks Amy 12:38 it's just 'Lady Ariane' on the branches page 12:39 well her stats probably speak for themselves 😉 taking her out would be quite the feat 12:40 anyway my battery is depleting quickly while I'm on irc so I'll log off again 12:40 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:41 -!- AmyBundlebundle has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:6384 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7004 12:48 awesome Applying a blessed stethoscope at an egg on the floor next to you will tell you the egg's species. 12:49 <@Computer Man> TDTOE 12:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3351 12:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3465 12:53 <@Computer Man> guys 12:53 <@Computer Man> fem lets you put down eggs when poly'd right 12:53 [hdf-eu] [slex] microlance (Pro Lic Fem Law), 14814 points, T:3260, killed by a monster (invisible Mr. Izchak, the shopkeeper) 12:53 <@Computer Man> does mal have anything of the sort? 12:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:56921 12:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) reached Minetown, on T:3920 12:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3920 12:56 I don't think so Computer Man 12:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:57013 12:59 <@luxidream> Random eggs can hatch tame for mal 12:59 <@luxidream> Never for fem 13:00 daddy! 13:01 <@Computer Man> oh thats nice 13:01 <@Computer Man> no stoning grenade free production tho :c 13:01 <@Computer Man> wait a minute 13:01 <@Computer Man> what happens with the indestructible underwear when i'm polymorphed 13:05 pretty sure it breaks 13:05 i'm not sure what you're playing, but normally breaking an egg you laid yourself is -5 luck 13:06 this goes against all we know about victorian underwear 13:07 <@Computer Man> how fancy is indestructible underwear 13:07 <@Computer Man> is it like middle ages 13:07 hothraxxa: YASI: determine which species are r-selective and which are K-selective, and if you break your own eggs of an r-selective species, no penalty 13:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire, on T:5038 13:09 and what would footrice be? 13:11 <@luxidream> I thought it was -2 13:12 <@luxidream> Oh it’s just -1 actually 13:12 <@luxidream> Per egg 13:12 <@luxidream> Hmm might be better than I thought 13:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 1612 points, T:3558, poisoned by a rotted centipede corpse 13:19 -1? am i misremembering the wiki? 13:20 Breaking your own eggs carries a −5 Luck penalty, but eating them does not. 13:20 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Egg 13:22 <{Demo}3> change_luck((schar) -min(obj->quan, 5L)); 13:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:27 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 2460 points, T:1355, killed by a monster (skulk blade) 13:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:36 <@deathsushi> CNT-FAI did you ever figure out the answer to your terminal question? 13:39 <@Computer Man> she hasn't 13:39 <@Computer Man> i think 13:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:13743 13:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law), 979 points, T:862, killed by a critically wounded pony 13:43 <@deathsushi> Alas 13:44 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:35935 13:48 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:49 <@Computer Man> Alas, poor Sushi 13:50 -!- MadDog has joined #hardfought 13:51 <@Joanna> Lol i rekt tc run over this once 13:51 <@Computer Man> quite chapfallen 13:51 <@Joanna> Accidentally sat on the floor after using up castle throne 13:51 <@Joanna> Or something 13:51 <@luxidream> Oh and then you force bolt? Lol 13:51 <@Joanna> Picked up an egg i didn't realised I'd laid 13:51 <@Joanna> Um i don't remember how i broke it exactly 13:52 <@Computer Man> man i wanna play hamlet sometime 13:52 <@Joanna> I only realised what had happened after wow failed 13:52 <@Computer Man> it's so kewl 13:53 <@Joanna> Mighta dropped on floor while levitating 13:55 nethamlet? 13:55 <@deathsushi> oof, that's a rough way to discover 13:56 -!- joes has quit [Quit: leaving] 13:57 <@Computer Man> hamlethack? 13:58 deathsushi: i believe so, but i'm not positive which question you mean 13:59 <@deathsushi> You were tearing your hair out trying to figure out how to adjust the size of your terminal, rather than having the output be too wide/tall 13:59 ohhhhh yeah lol i misnterpreted some answers there 13:59 i now understand that one sets this in one's SSH client 14:00 <@deathsushi> 😄 14:00 now i just need a potion of gain hunger irl 14:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:58942 14:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:59021 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law), 4694 points, T:3540, killed by a wounded gargoyle 14:04 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:37718 14:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:59254 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:37872 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 503 points, T:1147, killed by an uninjured gnome 14:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:15445 14:10 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 172 points, T:333, killed by a bolt of fire 14:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:1869 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (rust monsters), on T:2027 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:3317 14:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Minetown, on T:3275 14:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3484 14:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a stone crossbow on an altar, on T:3487 14:26 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3113 14:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] ucbvax (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 19360 points, T:5013, killed by an invisible gargoyle 14:29 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 14:33 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 14:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3976 14:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:60369 14:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:60523 14:51 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha), 3334 points, T:1351, killed by a monster (greel) 14:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha), 5302188 points, T:60569, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Som/dnethack/dumplog/1616202190.dnh.txt 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Wayfarer, on T:20279 14:56 gratz Som 14:56 <{Demo}3> the chirogue has been won, gg 14:56 <@Shadow_Rider> Nice! 14:57 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 14:57 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:48728 15:01 grats!! 15:01 PogChamp 15:01 KomodoHype 15:04 !rng be computer | gay crimes 15:04 aoei: gay crimes 15:04 the best kind of crimes 15:05 !8ball should i try evilhack again 15:05 aoei: Outlook good 15:05 ehhh 15:05 idk 15:09 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 9982 points, T:3444, killed by a shotgun shell 15:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7687 15:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 497 points, T:1634, killed by an uninjured wererat 15:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:36508 15:18 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 15:18 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:36559 15:19 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha), 9411 points, T:2506, killed by a monster (beam troll) 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:1059 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 1652 points, T:2343, killed by an uninjured little dog, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:22880 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22883 15:32 large oof coming in 15:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 76 points, T:944, killed by a bolt of fire 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 626 points, T:1394, killed by a bolt of lightning 15:41 -!- MadDog has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:46 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 15:49 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:51 -!- oh7 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1371 15:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:1912 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Stripling, on T:1606 16:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Hum Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:3712 16:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3921 16:05 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Arc Vam Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:347 16:07 The tripe ration misses the sewer rat. 16:07 @aosdict: Assuming this wasn't just bad luck, I would like to say as a former service rat trainer that you should 100% be able to charm rats with tripe, fruit, or the vast majority of people food 16:07 Hi Rif 16:07 sup 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2110 16:08 You can actually tame rats with cheeses in some variants, I think 16:08 or by chatting to them as a Convict 16:08 that's definitely true to the literary tradition 16:09 I'm not so much complaining as saying, there would be plenty of RL justification. googling what kind of food rats don't like to eat (other than individual preference) would take like 20 seconds. some foods are tasty to them and bad for them, like citrus for males, but they will certainly eat them 16:10 they r a lot closer to us than dogs 16:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7294 16:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:74173 16:11 I would even say a chance to be generated friendly would be thematic to the dungeon setting (as it would be if the setting were NYC or Hong Kong also) which could be balanced out by making it very hard to tame rats (because in high human foot traffic environments rats are spoiled for their favorite foods). idk if ther's a favorite food mechanic for monsters but rats I've met irl have highly random favorite foods like ppl 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1527 16:12 you should've seen my video meeting rats in MiMa 16:12 You really like rats huh 16:12 I do 16:13 Had a huge one who trained himself to do massage therapy (bc they can smell our lactic acid levels, etc) 16:13 Hm! 16:14 wasnt' going to bring that up in the YINA context becuase there doesn't seem to be a familiar, patronus or service animal mechanic 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1522 points, T:1637, killed by an uninjured orc-captain 16:14 presumably bc where would you stop\ 16:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Hum Fem Cha), 9690 points, T:5986, quit 16:15 !lastgame microlance 16:15 nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/nethack/dumplog/1616615220.nh.html 16:15 could be a animal trainer role with special abilities to get various kinds of work out of tame animals 16:15 i forgot my pickaxe in minetown and i got that soko2 where you have to destroy a boulder 16:15 but i'm not exactly suggesting that 16:16 Tamer role is a common New Idea suggestion 16:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1065 16:16 ah figures 16:16 !lastgame quervo1 16:16 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/quervo1/nethack/dumplog/1616615841.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/q/quervo1/nethack/dumplog/1607288202.nh.html 16:17 Also none of the Soko maps require boulder breaking that I know of 16:17 unless 3.7 introduced some new ones 16:17 i'm sure if anything it'd be best to at least prioritize trapper 16:17 i cant do 2a without breaking a boulder 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed quervo1's ghost, the former Novice, on T:1094 16:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 664 points, T:1104, killed by an uninjured orc-captain 16:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1369 points, T:4189, killed by an uninjured sewer rat 16:18 F 16:18 F x2 16:18 Uh isn't there a set of guides on the wiki that solves each level without any boulders stuck/destroyed 16:18 microlance: would you like a spoiler for that? 16:19 eh, my way is good enough. and i only break 1 boulder 16:19 I studied and memorized those so I could do Soko fairly quick 16:19 no spoiler conduct 16:19 only have problems if my brain borks midway 16:21 to solve 2a without breaking a boulder i might have to relearn 2a fully from start to finish. might not be worth it to save 1 boulder 16:22 -!- yanah has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:22 Probably worth avoiding Luck penalties though 16:22 Up to you in any case 16:23 it's just -1 for 600 turns unless you're carrying a luckstone 16:23 1 luck is a lot for me 16:23 to* 16:24 s/luckstone/not blessed luckstone 16:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Wizard, on T:74197 16:25 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:27 switching to bz 16:27 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:28 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 16:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:9590 16:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Arc Vam Fem Neu) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:2183 16:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3845 16:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:49215 16:35 Rif what's your opinion on hyenas I wonder 16:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:57501 16:48 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Dispater, on T:91281 16:48 <@deathsushi> Frig off Yeenoghu 16:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed mithril magic harp", on T:49296 16:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:74861 16:51 deathsushi I agree 16:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:74877 16:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Joshu, on T:11798 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Anu, on T:23692 16:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:75058 16:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11924 17:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:75215 17:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:75218 17:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1052 points, T:1435, killed by an uninjured dingo 17:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 1306 points, T:2226, killed by a slightly wounded gnome lord 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed twiggets' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:6614 17:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:75999 17:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3083 17:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Ran Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2370 17:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2462 17:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Dispater, on T:49595 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4136 17:22 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2801 points, T:4482, killed by a slightly wounded Uruk-hai 17:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15256 17:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:3740 17:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Ran Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3758 17:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 6436 points, T:4121, killed by an uninjured invisible chameleon imitating a displacer beast 17:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 535 points, T:1073, killed by an arrow 17:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:76807 17:34 the (true) rumor "wishing too much may bring you too little" -- shouldn't it be "wishing FOR too much"? "wishing too much" sounds like it is about the frequency of wishes imo 17:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7804 17:39 It's a somewhat oblique allusion to artifact wishing 17:39 wishing too much is when you dont see the prompt and wish for something totally random 17:40 I think it could apply to artifact wishing as well as wishing for high enchantments or high numbers of stackable items 17:41 oh wait you mean "wishing too much" as in wishing for multiple artifacts? 17:41 Correct 17:41 maybe... 17:42 I guess that could be a case where "wishing too much" would make sense but "wishing for too much" would still make more sense imo 17:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:77040 17:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:77228 17:48 CNT-FAI: rats you find in the dungeon are mean nasty rats who are definitely undomesticated. they don't want your paltry food when there's nice warm meat to be had 17:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:77247 17:51 Now if you're a wererat, though... 17:52 YANI: Werefoo can #chat to non-human monsters of their kind in order to tame them. 17:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "testing..", on T:4067 17:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2955952 points, T:77270, ascended 17:55 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tromix/nethack/dumplog/1616356221.nh.html 18:01 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 18:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Geryon, on T:49908 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:10782 18:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 3495 points, T:4276, petrified by a wounded chickatrice 18:06 aos: not asking you to do more work or anything but rats whose entire lives are in places that often smell like people and who repeatedly finish food with ppls' saliva on it will split into their own relevant roles like rogue, ranger, knight, monk, and diplomat. its a thing. not so common knowledge as to demand labor but id rather not withhold the information 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 8974 points, T:10607, killed by a wounded leocrotta 18:08 same dynamics in manhattan they eat the best freshest castaway food every day as well as plentiful baby mice and bugs, it's not easy to tame them, but if they're satiated some individuals with a playful personality or who just like the smell of humans will definitely play with a person who handles them appropriately. the line between that and trying to eat the person alive is very thin though 18:08 very very thin 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10953 18:09 some rats simply would not be tamed, even domesticated ones with cushy lives, except for sedatives, extra special treats and skilled attention 18:09 gbuarantee you though that there are rats in there who were picked up by a human or orc as a baby when they couldn't do anything about it and ended up liking them 18:09 this is all somewhat academic but now you have some tangential rl info 18:11 obviously the general role of rats in a harrowing survival thing is that they can and will rip and eat you like a carrot 18:11 May or may not contemplate this infodump for my variant ideas 18:11 YASI: lycanthropy but the wereform is human 18:11 so none of this is necessary unless the game is specifically choosing to explore those themes like SRHK does 18:12 point taken though 18:12 werehumie 18:12 something to be said for a variant where you work as the realm's animal catcher, maybe, or you know burger flipper 18:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Big Room, on T:18086 18:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 18:14 [hdf-us] [evil] blutkampfer (Sam Hum Fem Law), 90 points, T:178, killed by a boiling potion 18:15 rat monks sound awesome 18:15 tonsured rat monks working at a tiny scriptorium beneath Jay St-Metrotech, copying out the bible onto discarded CVS receipts by the light of candles made of discarded twine and chewed gum 18:16 honestly I'd just make ratfolk playable 18:16 qt: p. urban-fantasy specific but still a lovely idea 18:16 <@luxidream> >YASI: lycanthropy but the wereform is human 18:16 CNT-FAI: as a nyc resident I am not fond of rats 18:16 <@luxidream> You call upon your brethren for help! 18:17 such is your right 18:17 and understandable 18:17 "Get that motherfucker!" 18:17 you're basically describing Division Six or whatever 18:17 [hdf-us] [slex] blutkampfer (Gam Nex Fem Law), 38 points, T:212, killed by a monster (brown stalk) 18:17 Former BK resident here btw, didn't see rats v. often 18:18 The two instances I remember would be unpleasant to describe 18:18 eh, depends where you hang out or work 18:18 and how you use public transit 18:18 (Not for me personally) 18:18 (but unpleasant nonetheless) 18:18 yeah no imagination may be best 18:18 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Novice, on T:2965 18:18 Oh I saw the odd one in the subway now and then 18:18 The rats themselves weren't particularly disgusting or hostile by the standard 18:19 i think the best rat scene in survival horror is from the excellent, seriously extremely good London arc in Survivors (80s BBC) 18:19 there's also a fascist pandemic-mayor 18:20 Just two specific instances of my memories wouldn't be pleasant to describe 18:20 also never watched anything BBC-related for most of my life 18:20 except maybe the animal docs 18:20 and drama and intrigue with the anarchists of the city's dwindling population (a guy who the mayor has to stalk and thwart personally bc the population is like 200) 18:20 definitely check the show out its extremely good 18:21 and thematic iwth a world blaming its virus related downfall on China 18:22 as well as internecine conflict in the UK (factional, racist, class, etc) 18:22 largely a show about manarchists 18:22 CNT-FAI, i'll check that one out.. looks like it's 1975 to 1977 though 18:22 ah mb 18:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:2255 18:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:8041 18:22 i've enjoyed some British takes into post-apocalyptic stuff, like "Threads" 18:22 haven't seen taht one 18:23 well, it was apocalyptic, not post- but still 18:23 Survivors has a fake government that falls too, and a highway robber who tries to hump gasoline 18:23 hump? 18:23 yes 18:23 as well as Scottish shouty man BRIAN BREATHED (he is shouty) 18:23 i don't know what that means 18:23 hump like schlep or hump like rub his crotch on it 18:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:18607 18:24 good question qt, and rub is understatement 18:24 schlep only confuses me more 18:24 it's not relevant anyway 18:24 it is to me! steal gasoline? huff gasoline? sell it? 18:25 you genuinely do not understand the word hump? 18:25 no 18:25 i feel like you could use a dictionary website 18:25 i'm Finnish 18:25 okay 18:25 idk what schlep means in this context either 18:25 the point is to not be explaining the dynamics of NSFW stuff in here 18:25 it's not relevant! 18:25 oh <_> 18:25 schlep means to drag/carry something heavy 18:25 oh okay. i knew about that sense of hump but it didn't make sense lol 18:25 oh thx qt 18:25 OH MAN 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3851 18:26 i got to the last attack on skeleton fight 18:26 my awareness just kinda comes and goes so 18:26 still died tho 18:26 :c 18:26 aoei: aw :c 18:26 qt, is that yiddish 18:26 bummer aoei 18:26 it was so close too 18:26 yeah I think it is from yiddish 18:26 i mean idk how long that attack lasts 18:26 but i got pretty far thru it lol 18:26 ffs, he humps the gasoline 18:26 there is 0 reason to add other things and confuse yourself 18:27 that assumes you know the meaning immediately to begin with 18:27 too late now 18:27 if you want to know how someone does that watch the show, and it is good 18:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:4078 18:27 getting closer aoei 18:27 yes, because it was directly stated! 18:27 you got this 18:27 yeah! 18:27 also did first attack taking no damage 18:27 CNT-FAI, certainly going to watch that. i'll watch anything post-apocalyptic really 18:27 and dodged like 3 attacks in a row on 1 hp without taking damage lmao 18:27 cuz i thought i was about at the interim where you can freely heal 18:27 definitely one of the most original for the time 18:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Kni Hum Fem Law), 598 points, T:1228, killed by a wounded giant bat 18:28 also before its time in its willingness to show the protagonists and people they trust breaking down, abolishing consent, etc 18:28 at one point, both and then executing one of their own 18:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 3448 points, T:3250, killed by a gnome lord 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3811 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3508 18:31 is that before its time? my feeling is post-apocalyptic / zombie etc. stuff was always more about that than the event / monsters themselves 18:32 well yes, social themes naming real life factional conflicts existed on TV/zombie films etc but not to the extent seen today 18:32 (could be i haven't seen / read many from before 1975) 18:32 well see 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3719 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2387 points, T:3720, killed by a wounded gold golem, while praying 18:32 for a lot of genre writers of the time, protagonists were men and sexual coercion/assault was normal procreation 18:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 253 points, T:606, killed by a nearly deceased bat 18:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:57876 18:33 so naming these things, being honest about them (as well as disability) and offering different visions of reacting to them was not necessarily widespread. V is comparable except aliens instead of pandemic 18:34 right, i see 18:34 i should check out V again. it's been .. 30 years 18:35 yeah the networking and writing were at odds and it was underappreciated 18:35 shortest entry of all the 324 in my rectv.txt 18:35 heh 18:36 !rng play sum nh | read book and relax for good slep 18:36 aoei: play sum nh 18:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2522 points, T:4861, quit 18:36 on pricnple these are both good things 18:36 https://twitter.com/dril/status/575121631846227968 18:36 link unrelated 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:7818 18:37 oo or i could read all these articles i have open in tabs 18:37 i have so many tabs open 18:37 CNT-FAI, hah hah 18:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 1020 points, T:1210, killed by a dwarf 18:37 lol CNT-FAI 18:37 though that sort of instrumental thinking followed by deep thinking about society could keep you from sleeping too, its a risk 18:38 what book are you reading aoei 18:38 The Master and Margarita 18:38 im not very far in 18:38 oh that's a good one 18:38 am enjoying it so far 18:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9336 18:39 actualy reading it with a little irc book club lol 18:39 yeah that is a good one 18:39 very funny 18:40 oh neat 18:40 been hoping to fall into a reading group on twitter but people dont always follow through on that kind of stuff 18:40 some of it is quite sentimental too 18:41 it's been a while though.. *adds entry 473 to recbooks.txt* 18:42 some guy on irc was wondering if he might have ADHD. i asked him how many tabs he has open. "13". told him he doesn't have ADHD 18:42 lmao 18:42 13 means you drink too much coffee sometimes 18:42 at most 18:42 Muad: ok so i dont have adhd 18:42 Muad: how many is adhd 18:43 50? 18:43 whats the cutoff lol 18:43 well it's possible for it to just express and manifest in other areas 18:43 true 18:43 like say, driving long distances without amphetamine (just offering an example from an anonymous person's life) 18:43 brb 18:43 aoei, i don't know. i have four browser windows and they all have too many windows to count (the rightmost don't show up on the tab bar) so i dedicated one window for daily use where i keep them to a minimum 18:43 I have a bunch of stuff I've yet t o read 18:44 way back browsers used to die and fail to retrieve windows like every 12-24 months so that was good 18:44 also some people just force themselves to break the habit so they can do other things w their bandwidth 18:44 yeahppl are still adjusting to that muad 18:44 Muad: i mean i often end up getting distracted and at some point just accept that im not gonna read my open tabs 18:44 minimum, of course, means you can still see the rightmost window. barely 18:44 so i kill the browser 18:45 my biggest distraction is usually irc lol 18:45 see invis from fountain quaffing. been boosting lots of stats with it too 18:46 >good luck with fountain quaffing 18:46 aoei, i have this OCD/hoarder thing where i can't give up stuff 18:46 literally :D 18:46 the fuck kinda secret variant are you playing 18:46 probably gonna slow down from here 18:46 it's all fun and games 'til you get hit by water moccasins 18:46 aoei, might be something critically important somewhere in there, you know. 18:46 nice italics hexchat 18:46 @v?water moccasin 18:46 water moccasin (S) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 15 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d6 bite drain str | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, swims, conceals, oviparous, poisonous 18:46 well i think there really is a luck mod 18:46 love that I have to do it twice to actually italicize the chosen word 18:47 honestly once you have poison res it comes down to how well you crowd control 18:47 true 18:47 indeed 18:47 the problem is water demons that might gate in Jubilex 18:47 *Juiblex 18:48 oh yeah, can they also gate Yeenoghu/Demo? 18:48 Or someone else who can 18:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Heroine, on T:58843 18:48 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:58967 18:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:58968 18:51 Muad: ah yeah i can understand that and used to struggle with it more now i tend to just accept that im gonna hvae gto lose some bit sof information or tabs or things or have to try to find them later in browser history 18:52 my computer also can't actually handle more than a certain number of tabs 18:52 altho that should be much higher hnow that i have 16gigs of the rams 18:52 I try to avoid having too many tabs 18:53 if I realize I have more than, say, 10 tabs open, I already get anxious 18:53 Muad: my typical daily experience of life is having 4 fun things i want to do, a few important things i have to do, and then a vast array of interesting ideas or conversations that *actually* take up my time 18:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:59702 18:53 and that i do 18:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Demogorgon, on T:50467 18:53 <@deathsushi> Could have sworn I killed him before 18:53 tho many of these will be new ideas or projects i never come back to ever again in my life 18:54 and then i remember i have to eat and get really annoyed about having to spend time on stuff like basic sustenance 18:54 nabru: yeah same cuz at that point i know im not gonna actually read half the stuff 18:54 * Umbire places a boiled egg in aoei's vicinity 18:54 cut it out with the eggs you weirdo 18:54 also i dont liek 'em boiled anyhow 18:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3409 points, T:2605, killed by a critically wounded dog 18:55 Muad: its a struggle to get myself to do the important tasks and the day contains not enough time to do the fun things i wanted to do 18:56 but i think half of this is down to being extremely addicted to irc :D 18:56 I usually do the important tasks as soon as I wake up to get them out of the way 18:56 yea thats a good way to do it 18:56 sometimes i cant 18:56 aoei, right. i think they call this a problem with "executive function", whatever that is. i found a twitter thread that supposedly lists the key executive functions and have been meaning to read it for six months, but i don't know which browser it is in. 18:56 phhhbbt now I'm wondering if you can put scrambled eggs in an eggshell somehow 6_9 18:56 Muad: LMAO 18:56 And yes executive dysfunction is very much a thing 18:57 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:57 im still laughing so hard at the meta 18:57 oh its a thing alrgith 18:58 A while ago I had a 'read later' folder on my bookmarks, cleaned it when I realized I had stuff from 2017 I had never bothered to read 18:58 stuff so old the domain was gone 18:58 Muad: i'll also change my mind a lot about what i want to do, but i've gotten better at not feeling bad for giving up one task i "planned" to o in favour of another 18:58 like just now i was gonna maybe read and go to bed 18:58 but now i want to go for a night walk 18:58 I went for a walk a while ago... but it started to rain and I had no umbrella with me 18:58 so I had to run home 18:58 awe 19:00 awesome wizlock 19:00 i bought like a lightweight rain poncho plastic thing that wraps up tight to keep it with me at all times, and then just didn't bother to wrap it back up 19:00 <@deathsushi> Spell of wizlock -> #ChefsKiss 19:01 I usually keep a small umbrella in my backpack 19:01 Muad: sometimes written to-do lists help me for tasks of a given day 19:01 if i would write a list of all the things i want to do generally in the near future it would be extremely intimidating and hurt my brain 19:01 so i keep them only in my head 19:01 and there are thousands 19:01 ok maybe exagerating a little 19:02 but more things than i have time for thats for sure 19:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:900 19:02 i figure i need a tiered list so i can procrastinate with less important stuff if i don't feel like doing the important stuff 19:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:02 oh thats a nice idea 19:02 it's not mine 19:02 [hdf-us] [fh] gnomic (phollenback) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) let an invisible ranger called "Freya" genocide class 'f', on T:9988 19:02 who cares whose it is 19:03 Muad: sometiems i do good procrastinating 19:03 like when i haev an important thing 19:03 <@Shadow_Rider> Professional procrastination at its best 19:03 i'll go clean the kitchen 19:03 [hdf-us] [fh] gnomic (phollenback) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) killed the ranger of Freya, the former Trailblazer, on T:9991 19:03 or my room 19:03 before doing the important stuff 19:03 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:04 I have tree style tabs + auto tab discard to slow down the inevitable slowdonw 19:04 slowdown* 19:04 on Firefox 19:04 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:04 <@iatrocrat> how do you guys feel 19:04 <@iatrocrat> about ivan? 19:04 <@iatrocrat> srs 19:04 um i opened ur link earlier iatrocrat 19:04 [hdf-us] [fh] gnomic (phollenback) (Tou Gno Mal Neu) killed the ghost of Freya, the former Trailblazer, on T:10032 19:04 @aosdict the one rat change i actually could strongly justify in context is cats and dogs should probably find r corpses irresistible 19:04 but it told me to leave while i had the chance 19:05 so i left 19:05 if, again, there is some mechanic for pets to have food pref 19:05 (link was about the game ivan) 19:05 <@iatrocrat> who told you to leave 19:05 <@iatrocrat> oh 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:27629 19:06 whomst 19:06 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 164 points, T:436, [0:02:02], killed by a nearly deceased large kobold 19:06 what is this Ivan 19:06 A roguelike 19:06 <@iatrocrat> a fun game 19:07 o 19:07 <@iatrocrat> to have a great time 19:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Cohen (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 790 points, T:1961, killed by an uninjured giant ant 19:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 418 points, T:1241, rt[0:05:36], wc[0:07:04], killed by an uninjured giant rat 19:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2479 19:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1385 points, T:2899, killed by an uninjured gnome queen, while being terrified of a ghost 19:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Bar Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3079 19:19 it was the ghost of CntFai that really got me. 19:19 wow that sucks 19:19 gotten by your own ghost 19:19 it be ur own spectre 19:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 1062 points, T:1583, rt[0:07:52], wc[0:07:53], killed by a wounded hobbit 19:21 http://crawl.montres.org.uk/scoring/gkills.html 19:21 ... one of the Crawl scoring daemon's more amusing features 19:22 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:22 Hm, looking at that, I think you _can't_ meet your own ghost 19:22 Aw man. 19:23 you certainly can in x 19:23 but x is prety much better 19:23 Pinkbeast: can't meet you rown ghost in what 19:23 im sure its happened to me in vanilla, when i used to play with bones on 19:23 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law) shouted "come", on T:7602 19:23 Crawl 19:24 ohhh ok 19:24 yea i know nothing of crawl 19:24 -!- Roho has joined #hardfought 19:24 <@iatrocrat> man you guys'll talk about politics for hours but i cant even talk about a differrent game eh 19:24 haha 19:24 <@iatrocrat> sad 😦 19:24 LOL 19:24 you havent told us anything about it 19:24 imagine you started to make a roguelike 19:24 and then got addicted to speed 19:24 00:06 what is this Ivan 19:24 and 20 years later you had never slowed down 19:24 00:06 <+rld> <@iatrocrat> a fun game 19:25 00:07 o 19:25 00:07 <+rld> <@iatrocrat> to have a great time 19:25 details 19:25 CNT-FAI, i know a guy who's been developing a roguelike for 20 years 19:25 still nowhere near release 19:25 To be fair I didn't prompt Itao by asking 19:25 it hapens 19:25 <@iatrocrat> for me ivan is playing nethack without having to deal with playing nethack 19:25 Iato* 19:25 Feel free to elaborate as you wish, my good acquaintance Crat 19:25 ok thats interesting but tel us lil bit of backstory/premise of game 19:25 or where its similar to nh and where not 19:26 <@iatrocrat> k so basically 19:26 "a fun game to have a great time" sounded ominous to me 19:26 it's just 19:26 lol Muad 19:26 kinda 19:26 more and more rl anywhre you look in it 19:26 every rl concept thrown together 19:26 <@iatrocrat> you're a guy on an island called new attnam, a new colony of the empire of attnam 19:26 !rng go walkies | meh just slep 19:26 aoei: meh just slep 19:27 ok mb no night walk LUL 19:27 * aoei listens about ivan 19:27 <@iatrocrat> you gotta deliver this guy a scroll to the mainland where the capital of attnam is (wont spoil what happens after that, you can look it up though :)) 19:27 <@iatrocrat> you can't walk there though, its seperated by water 19:27 uhhh ok it sounds so far nothing like any roguelike 19:27 which is interesting 19:27 <@iatrocrat> so you have to go through the underwater tunnels connecting both places 19:28 <@iatrocrat> and that's your first dungeon 19:28 first eh 19:28 multiple dungeons, coo coo 19:28 so multidungeon like adom and stuf 19:28 <@iatrocrat> the reason i said that was because you have to worry about a lot of the weird stupid mechanics like nethack makes you worry about 19:28 adom's overmap seems duanting but apparently the whole game isn't crazy long 19:29 oic 19:29 and its also a roguelike 19:29 <@iatrocrat> those mechanics however are very different 19:29 go in dungeon fight monsters 19:29 I mean I don't find them to be either weird or stupid 19:29 etc. 19:29 <@iatrocrat> yeah ffs its a roguelike 19:29 ok ok :p 19:29 But different strokes is valid 19:29 different strokes seems liek a weird idiom to me 19:29 <@iatrocrat> Umbire: yeah i like weird stupid mechanics as well but I got bored of the ones in NH after a while 19:29 lol 19:29 i get what it means 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:22200 19:29 just sounds odd to me 19:29 haha 19:30 So tell us more about IVAN's weird stupid mechanics 19:30 <@iatrocrat> well here's one 19:30 <@iatrocrat> you have a body part system 19:30 <@iatrocrat> all humanoids in the game do actually 19:30 right this was the bit that sounded kinda cool 19:30 which i htink cogmind also has something similar 19:30 kind of 19:31 but im not sure 19:31 cuz cogmind ur a robot 19:31 oh, thus the name. 19:31 <@iatrocrat> your body parts are divided into your two legs, two arms, groin, upper chest, and head 19:31 and i think you have to replace and upgrade these parts 19:31 but they're also possibly divded up like exactly how iatrocrat is sayin they are in ivan too 19:31 <@iatrocrat> IVAN stands for Item Vehemens Ad Necem 19:31 <@iatrocrat> latin for a violent road to death 19:32 <@iatrocrat> yeah really lol 19:32 sounds not at all ominous 19:32 just a fun game to have a great time 19:32 <@iatrocrat> its actually a very cheerful game 19:32 <@iatrocrat> it just kills you brutally most of the time 19:32 loool 19:32 <@iatrocrat> like decapitating you while being infected with leprosy 19:32 bruh 19:33 nethack will decapitate you but you can't contract leprosy 19:33 does it have every nasty disease from the middle ages? 19:33 so that death can't happen 19:33 <@iatrocrat> well you can also get mind worms 19:33 tuberculosis? 19:33 <@iatrocrat> tape worms 19:33 jeez 19:33 <@iatrocrat> and leprosy 19:33 <@iatrocrat> and lycanthropy 19:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 932 points, T:2524, [0:11:57], killed by an uninjured large kobold, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:34 makes nethack sound pretty tame 19:34 lol 19:34 thing is 19:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:34 its literally named for the concept of something packed with so many features/ingredients that it's stopped becoming desirable (stone soup) 19:34 u gotta be into it specifically 19:35 um wait 19:35 <@iatrocrat> yeah you're gonna die most of the time 19:35 but we've not been talking about crawl 19:35 <@iatrocrat> you have to play very defensively 19:35 <@iatrocrat> in IVAN to win 19:35 OH mb 19:35 All good 19:35 all the non-nethack games blur together frankly 19:35 I learned a thing 19:35 CNT-FAI: but interesting point tho, another reason i probably am not gonna like dungeon crawl stone soup 19:35 Muad: not for me personally but I feel ya 19:35 i don't like the kitchen-sink thing much 19:36 Umbire, i was just kidding. obviously there's also DayZ 19:36 o 19:36 :B 19:36 I tend to default to defensive play when feeling things out so 19:36 <@iatrocrat> ivan isn't really kitchen sink 19:36 At any rate you have my interest, uh... 19:36 would "Mr. Crat" be appropriate? 19:36 what's an iatrocrat anyway? a ruler by treatment, or a hospital boss? 19:36 <@iatrocrat> just call me whatever you want 19:37 -!- Umbire is now known as NewYork 19:37 i like to kill monsters 19:37 but 19:37 i also appreciate the value of running away, once in a while 19:37 <@iatrocrat> there 19:37 if possible running away but towards next goal item is ideal 19:37 <@iatrocrat> another cool thing i liked about the game was materials and their properties 19:38 <@iatrocrat> ik nethack has materials and item destruction 19:38 variants also extend item materials 19:38 Oh uh, I can't see Discord nicks 19:38 <@iatrocrat> but in this game its much better fleshed out and nuanced 19:38 like in xnh 19:38 At least not on the IRC side 19:38 and cbf to login to discord 19:38 <@iatrocrat> well yeah variants also extend item materials 19:38 But how does IVAN handle theirs specifically 19:38 o: 19:38 oh lol on discord he's changed it to attnam citizen now 19:39 <@iatrocrat> but i havent seen a variant where i can read a scroll of change material to make my arms made of banana flesh 19:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 389 points, T:736, [0:04:47], killed by an uninjured dwarf 19:39 <@iatrocrat> go make that variant 19:39 on discord i'm nicknamed aoei but on IRC side I come thru as Joanna 19:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:39 which vaguely confuses me sometimes 19:39 but discord ppl at least easily know aoei = aoei 19:40 its only on IRC side that some ppl dunno Joanna = aoei 19:40 or well 19:40 <@PileOfCarrots> discord has separate nicknames and usernames? 19:40 I'm used to Stella 6_9 19:40 I barely know who Pinkbeast is 19:40 since i constantly talk here all the tie i think most people know 19:40 <@iatrocrat> okay is this better u spastics 19:40 Yes Adeon 19:40 Uh. 19:40 <@iatrocrat> lol 19:40 <@PileOfCarrots> I did not kwow this 19:40 is PileOfCarrots Adeon? 19:40 you can set them per-server 19:40 <@PileOfCarrots> yes 19:40 how is cystic fibrosis an insult 19:40 I did just mention I can't see nicks anyway. 19:40 pile of carrots is my discord name 19:40 So, kinda wasting your time there. 19:40 and probably also my nickname 19:40 but on IRC side it just shows your discord name 19:41 Adeon: default nickname is your main discord name 19:41 but you can customise them per-server 19:41 <@iatrocrat> CNT-FAI: it's not, i am sorry 19:41 Yeah, I'd show up as @Umbire on the Discord side, but I would go by say 19:41 it says here I can change my username? 19:41 Umby, Umbra, whatever I feel like at that moment 19:41 I mean you can, but you don't have to 19:41 <@Joanna> See look 19:41 For server's sake, you just do /nick whatever 19:41 <@Joanna> Now I'm adeon fan on discord 19:41 <@PileOfCarrots> I support all my millions of fans 19:42 <@Joanna> Hehehe 19:42 <@iatrocrat> i was trying to shill a game here adeon 19:42 <@iatrocrat> now yo ruined it 19:42 <@Joanna> Have u figured out how to do it pileofcarrots 19:42 <@iatrocrat> 😠 19:42 <@PileOfCarrots> no 19:42 <@PileOfCarrots> give me time 19:42 <@nabru> !pom 19:42 @nabru: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 4 days. 19:42 !time 19:42 Muad: Wed Mar 24 19:42:45 2021 EDT 19:42 <@PileOfCarrots> testing 19:42 <@PileOfCarrots> oh now I found it 19:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 524 points, T:1017, rt[0:03:36], wc[0:03:37], killed by a wounded dwarf lady 19:43 ah yeah and on IRC side nothing changed 19:43 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:43 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:43 <@Joanna> yeah, it used to update on irc side before 19:43 <@nabru> The bridge uses your Discord username 19:43 <@nabru> not your nickname 19:43 <@Joanna> but some ppl got annoyed with it 19:43 <@Joanna> and switched config to username only 19:43 <@PileOfCarrots> I like carrots so I ain't got a problem with any of this 19:43 <@Joanna> trolls were abusing maybe idk 19:43 Probably 19:43 <@Joanna> i also like my real name 19:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:5, killed by an uninjured fox 19:43 <@Joanna> and just use that 19:44 <@Joanna> so im fine with being Joanna via bridgebot 19:44 <@nabru> I am already known as nabru so 19:44 <@nabru> I only use Discord when I am without IRC access 19:44 <@PileOfCarrots> I think I originally wanted to establish a new online identity so I chose a different name 19:44 <@PileOfCarrots> but that didn't really happen 19:44 <@Joanna> lol Adeon 19:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2252 19:44 <@PileOfCarrots> for unrelated things 19:44 <@Joanna> i never really wanted to establish a new identity as such 19:45 <@Joanna> but 19:45 <@PileOfCarrots> I got into discord before I learned there's a lot of roguelike stuff on discord 19:45 <@Joanna> i do prefer aoei much to my old nick ykstort 19:45 <@Joanna> to create a new identity would have meant losing certain old connections from years ago 19:45 <@Joanna> which would have been sad 19:45 <@PileOfCarrots> er I mean that I have some places where I want to be careful my "primary" identity is not easily found 19:46 <@Joanna> oooo ok 19:46 <@PileOfCarrots> e.g. some local SF groups where I live in the same city as trolls who might hate me 19:46 <@Joanna> i see 19:46 <@Joanna> hey Adeon you still haven't beat my pb in any post-343 nethack game 19:46 <@Joanna> you should fix that probably 19:46 <@PileOfCarrots> what's pb 19:46 <@riker> personal best 19:47 <@PileOfCarrots> is this bad 19:47 <@Joanna> yeah its pretty bad 19:47 <@riker> it just means that aoei is technically faster than you for post 3.4.3 nethack ascs 19:47 <@PileOfCarrots> my streetcred might be in jeopardy 19:47 <@Joanna> yea 19:47 <@riker> so yeah smh 19:47 <@Joanna> also i think we should race 19:47 <@Joanna> at some point 19:47 <@Joanna> would be really fun 19:47 <@Joanna> and since you're still ab it rusty 19:47 <@Joanna> i may have a chance 19:47 <@Joanna> lol 19:48 <@riker> adeon is no longer relevant 19:48 -!- NewYork is now known as Umbire 19:48 <@PileOfCarrots> yeah I'm basically dead already 19:48 <@Joanna> he streamed last weekend and plays pretty fast 19:48 <@Joanna> i thik he has potential 19:48 <@Joanna> technically everyone right now is a better runner than Adeon for post-343 19:48 <@Joanna> cuz he hasn't ascended 19:48 <@Joanna> lmao 19:48 no judging my life choices 19:49 <@Joanna> well everyoen who has ascended is better 19:49 <@Joanna> im not judging anything 19:49 <@Joanna> im just stating facts 19:49 <@Joanna> and trying to goad you into racing me :> 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:22374 19:50 perhaps at some point 19:50 I have commitment problems when it comes to race times 19:50 <@Joanna> mm okie 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 491 points, T:545, killed by a bolt of cold 19:50 i can race you in the senior category. the one for retired players 19:50 as in when I have free time is unpredictable 19:50 yeah i figured u meant that 19:50 the has-beens, or, in my case, the never-weres 19:51 hahaha Muad 19:51 <@iatrocrat> hello 19:51 Hello @iatrocrat, Welcome to #hardfought 19:51 <@iatrocrat> again 19:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by an uninjured dwarf), on T:1849, rt[0:08:36] 19:51 <@iatrocrat> wait a minute 19:51 <@iatrocrat> thats not right 19:52 <@Joanna> huh 19:52 <@Joanna> ok this nick is silly i should change it again 19:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Law), 1084 points, T:1907, [0:09:25], killed by an uninjured dingo, while frozen by a potion 19:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:52 <@Joanna> yeah this is way better 19:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:3533 19:53 Right, so IVAN, before we get derailed completely by silly nomenclature shenanigans 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:22384 19:53 nomeclature shenanigans that irc can't even appreciate :c 19:53 <@iatrocrat> i guess like nhack there's those cheesy strats you can do that make the game much easier 19:53 <@iatrocrat> i can tell you guys one of them 19:53 my nick on there now is LuxideonFan rofl 19:54 lol 19:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 732 points, T:3761, killed by a moderately wounded killer bee, while praying 19:54 rip in piety 19:54 rip 19:54 NOT THE BEES 19:54 I mean RIP 19:55 Looks like you boys have had a run-in with them bees. 19:55 🐝 19:55 <@luxidream> I like to think Adeon is some kind of eeveelution like pigeon and patreon 19:56 <@Joanna> oh yeah it kinda sounds like that 19:56 spawning with a tooled horn interesting 19:56 must be like my 58th priestess 19:56 it's from re-volt 19:56 there's an RC car called adeon 19:56 Yeah, elves spawn with musical instruments 19:56 <@Joanna> and if u cross an Adeon with a Luxidream u get a Luxideon 19:56 ah 19:56 https://media.moddb.com/images/mods/1/30/29616/adeon1.png 19:56 it sucks 19:56 impossible to control 19:57 <@Joanna> oh no 19:57 <@Joanna> bad car 19:57 https://www.hardfought.org/etherpad/p/Umbrapad quack 19:58 AMA bored and jotting down my YANIs for a prospective variant/patch/whatever the fuck 19:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4713 19:58 cool i read it 19:58 oh wait it wasn't directed at me 19:58 the AMA part was though 19:58 i got confused because i have quack on hilight 19:58 Stella Duck 19:58 <@iatrocrat> :/ 19:59 lol 19:59 Ah, sorry sorry 19:59 Legit just keep going 19:59 You mentioned strats and cheesing thereog 19:59 thereof* 19:59 <@iatrocrat> yeah so basically 19:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4848 19:59 <@iatrocrat> there's this guy who has a a really good item 19:59 <@iatrocrat> belt of levitation 19:59 oh sorry were you still explaining ivan 19:59 ive just been derailing everythign constantly and chatting nonsense 19:59 :D 19:59 my bad 19:59 <@iatrocrat> lets you skip a of enemies but you have to kill him first 19:59 nah me too is ok 19:59 <@iatrocrat> but you won't be able to when you meet him first 20:00 inb4 "why can't you just levitate off the island" 20:00 prolly gonna head to bed neway y'all, am sleepy <3 20:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:5361 20:00 is 1am 20:00 night 20:00 nini 20:00 niters 20:00 @iatrocrat No, really. 20:00 I'm presuming you can't levitate off the island 20:00 <@iatrocrat> but you can dissolve his limbs in your own vomit and make his head crack from falling off a banana peel, since yknow, you live on an island 20:00 <@iatrocrat> there's bananas 20:00 do bananas play a big role in this game? 20:01 <@iatrocrat> then that makes the fight with him ez 20:01 And is vomit really that acidic normally 20:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:01 anything interesting one can do with a copper statue of a lichen? i assume just sell it? 20:01 <@iatrocrat> yes 20:01 <@iatrocrat> it is 20:01 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1610, rt[0:09:20] 20:02 I mean in the context of human limbs specifically 20:02 Presuming this character is indeed human 20:02 <@iatrocrat> yes 20:03 Neat 20:03 <@iatrocrat> man i think ill just keep this game to myself then 20:03 <@iatrocrat> it sucks because barely anyone to play it with or talk about it 20:03 <@iatrocrat> except the dev on discord and one other dude 20:03 <@iatrocrat> lol 20:04 i got a bit of a dwarf fortress vibe out of what you said? but i haven't played that one either 20:04 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1683, rt[0:11:11] 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:22433 20:04 like, emergent gameplay from the weird stuff that can happen & you kinda die every time 20:04 <@iatrocrat> yeah! 20:05 Umbire: are you jotting down your ideas on a hardfought etherpad 20:05 <@iatrocrat> maybe there's a reason nobody really plays it though 20:05 I would recommend this 20:05 yahuh 20:05 I might pull from the YANI archive as well, see what I already suggested 20:05 Also yeah, emergent gameplay is the bread and butter of roguelikes 20:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:06 <@iatrocrat> as well as in immersive sims 20:06 IVAN seems to be especially in this school 20:06 <@iatrocrat> lol 20:06 <@iatrocrat> but thats a whole different story 20:06 aosdict: Can also throw ideas at me you personally think I might like 20:06 CNT-FAI: see above 20:06 well I don't know what your design philosophy is 20:06 did you get all my rat stuff 20:07 and yeah id have to know more (particularly philosophy and theme[s]) to contribute further but i have ideas 20:07 the only things I know well enough to throw ideas at are evilhack, splicehack and slex 20:07 Yeah, I haven't been at this long enough to develop a concrete philosophy yet 20:07 like going through the xnh todo list and saying "ah yes this would be great for splice" is a frequent occurrence 20:07 oh im happy to get outside of the box 20:08 if anything id say pm me with details of the game as you've thought it up so far 20:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:1928, rt[0:15:06] 20:08 i have had a few stalled game projects so i have lots of stuff ready to throw depending on setting and other things 20:08 at the moment it's kinda "harness a bit of weirdness a la SLEX but dial it back somewhat and make it less niche rather than try to be Amy myself" 20:08 <@iatrocrat> umbire: were you copying ideas from what i was talkign about too? 20:08 <@iatrocrat> probably not cause im just some random 20:09 I mean being a random wouldn't make a difference in this case 20:09 i would seriously recommend PMing me more at your convenience, bc its not an ultra convenient time for me to switch my brain to that path rn 20:09 but no not particularly 20:09 Sure sure, no hassle or rush Rif 20:09 but i would thusly remember to post stuff as it floats to my conscious mind 20:09 Just whenever your brain has appropriately swapped rails 20:09 you may need to remind me tehn 20:09 and I will! 20:10 alright 20:10 note: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1494 20:10 cant say for sure bc this post vacccine fatigue is insane 20:10 and im used to a very high level of chronic fatigue 20:10 In which Grunt becomes his own antithesis 20:10 rip 20:10 @iatrocrat but uh, no 20:10 not really copying aside from maybe the vomit thing and the bananas 20:10 CNT-FAI: if you have general, variant-agnostic ideas then putting them in public channels is good 20:11 noted 20:11 and even then it'd only be to have like, possibly leftover vomit slicks as dungeon ambience 20:11 a lot of my RL ideas are somewhat antithetical to NH and all forks 20:12 my tastes are a little... unconventional 20:12 my question about leftover vomit slicks is, what do leftover vomit slicks add to the game? 20:12 YANI: Have different material statues require different strength levels to break, and have the resulting "leftovers" be of the appropriate material (e.g. breaking copper into copper stones). 20:12 aosdict: Temporary slipping hazard a la ice 20:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2453, rt[0:19:25] 20:12 yeah i think copper should be very hard but definitely possible to destroy 20:12 like keep in mind I JUST started considering this so I might toss it if I find it doesn't add much of anything 20:13 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7527 20:13 would be into a way to shape or harvest copper for the post-yendorian construction industry, etc 20:13 it'd mostly be building upon the already-present in-game thing of vomiting 20:13 argh, NOW the mouse works 20:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 322 points, T:1830, killed by a moderately wounded hobgoblin 20:14 adding further ramifications to making oneself nauseous or overeating with magical breathing 20:14 <@iatrocrat> yknow 20:14 <@iatrocrat> rodney looks like such a dickhead in tiles 20:14 <@iatrocrat> vanilla tiles 20:14 methinks that's the point 20:14 though I don't recall his tile off the dome 20:14 but guy's a dickhead in-game so it tracks 20:15 um you kill him and steal his book 20:15 i wouldnb't mind seeing some consequences for chronic disordered eating, though that kind of chronic mental illness stuff is not always present in non-cypunk RPGs 20:15 !tell stenno https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/commit/ba4f0b8f1 now what? 20:15 Will do, bhaak! 20:15 and HE'S the dickhead? 20:15 <@iatrocrat> https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/images/0/00/Wizard_of_Yendor.png 20:15 in general i think the world is crying out for a cypunk RL 20:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2742 points, T:6523, killed by a wounded giant beetle 20:15 we don't have one already? 20:15 zapm is not cypunk IMO 20:15 <@iatrocrat> Maud: yeah if he doesn't want me to stteal his book he shouldn't have it in the first place 20:15 ^ 20:16 he also shouldn't be sending a fucktillion monster what want to kill me 20:16 RLs exist in which there are elements taken from the gerne 20:16 s/monster/monsters 20:16 but more because they are the rule-of-cool RLs 20:16 CNT-FAI: I actually wasn't gonna say ZAPM but good preempt on your part nonetheless 20:16 just makin sure 20:16 do you know of one 20:16 non 20:16 i *was* gonna say ZAPM 20:16 I just figured that was a thing we'd have by now 20:17 nah muad cypunk involves social critique philosophically and stratified socioeconomics with a dialectical social analysis 20:17 CNT-FAI, quite 20:17 also Asian stereotypes 20:17 how you gonna implement that to a RL 20:17 like, a lot of them. 20:17 would be nice for the genre to not 20:18 the gameplay is just gonna be military shooter 20:18 well, that's highly correlated 20:18 I mean if SLASH'EM can have guns then hey ho 20:18 SMOP 20:18 :^) 20:18 and i gather you haven't played SRHK/Antumbra Saga muad 20:18 SR as in Shadowrun Hong Kong? 20:18 yar 20:18 is cypunk just a shortening of cyberpunk or does it mean something else 20:18 CNT-FAI, no, never heard 20:18 I'd wager former aos 20:18 the asia stuff is just *common* in RLs because they all take inspiration from works developed in the context of rapid Japanese and Chinese expansion 20:19 Ah 20:19 oh there is one element critical to cyberpunk that would be at home in RLs. drugs 20:19 And us Westerners being Westerners... 20:19 yeah. 20:19 but also because a lot of asian writers do cypunk better 20:19 also it's kind of gatekeepy to say "this entire genre must involve this sort of social commentary, otherwise it's not REALLY part of the genre" 20:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:61899 20:19 Well no one's saying it's a must 20:19 not like...intrinsically...but because they're expected to do a little more conceptual work (like Ryu Murakami) 20:19 But that's where it usually goes by design 20:19 CNT-FAI: I mean I expect that anyway 20:20 muad: play SRHK, and download Antumbra Saga which is even much better 20:20 one of the most underrated mods in history 20:20 or uh UGC 20:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:22505 20:20 CNT-FAI, wait what. SRHK is what, and Antumbra Saga is a mod for said SRHK? 20:20 TRPG 20:20 yes 20:20 um 20:20 2 mods 20:20 Mainly because I'd expect them to be more willing to unpack the whole correlation between cypunk and Japanese/Chinese expansion or just write the stuff in general without falling into the usual stereotypes 20:21 if you're hestiant to spend the money i could be talked into paying 20:21 oh, Shadowrun: Hong Kong? 20:21 was gonna clarify I'm not exactly speaking from reading experience, just general expectations 20:21 again yes 20:21 Ye Muad 20:21 CNT-FAI, no way. friendships between rich and poor people don't work 20:21 i didn't say i like you 20:21 ;D 20:21 I see what you did there 20:21 lmao 20:21 set me up there 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2958 20:22 oh nice wand of enlightenment on Lv1 20:22 Good on ya 20:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:8848 20:22 @iatrocrat Oh, what-all species are playable in IVAN? 20:22 I'll just add these to my recgames.txt as entry 432 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3031 20:22 Oh, before I forget 20:22 i got it for very few dollars along with like 6 other games 20:23 CNT-FAI: The material shattering idea I posted was also meant to be an example for you 20:23 so i was half serious when i said that if on principle you should not like paying for a game on an irc rec, i could be talked into paying for it without especially having to be your friend 20:23 i missed something 20:23 i got that. but i would feel obligated to play it 20:24 yeah, it's pretty rewarding though 20:24 aosdict runs a NetHack new-idea repository and tagging stuff with YANewIdea-- sheesh are there cats outside fighting 20:24 Antumbra Saga's SRHK installments are free and better than the base game 20:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a scroll labeled MAPIRO MAHAMA DIROMAT on an altar, on T:3136 20:24 --tagging stuff like I did above autoadds it to the repo I think 20:24 the politics are from a totally different perspective 20:24 and it gets seriously scary in one mind control scene 20:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:9230 20:25 the base game is good to me though also 20:25 oh that sounds good 20:25 it's real good 20:25 you end up having to try to convince a narcissist under pressure to isolate her people, to join a fight against fascism 20:25 there's also really cool shit like watching apolitical people turn into warriors 20:25 some tastefully horrifying Holocaust references 20:26 and disability stuff related to environmental themes 20:26 interesting 20:26 TIL Mel Brooks was Jewish 20:26 the original Antumbra is a Dragonfall mod that can be missed, but missing Dragonfall itself is inexcusable now that it's oldish and cheap 20:26 apropos of nothing 20:26 Umbire, lol wat 20:26 yeah he was not Mel Gibson 20:26 his humor was very Jewish 20:26 CNT-FAI: oi 20:27 gimme some credit 20:27 even before now I'dve never mixed the two up 20:27 no i'm saying i used to mix them up 20:27 ...f 20:27 lol 20:27 obviously Gibson eventually fixed that ofr me 20:27 haha 20:27 Obviously. 20:27 sorry, i was supposed to say hah. typoed into haha 20:27 But yeah, didn't know he was also one of The Producers guys 20:27 anyway Brooks is the Lawful (or Chaotic Good) Jew's answer to Woody Allen 20:27 oh yeah 20:27 Quite the line of work he's developed yeah 20:28 what film is "Jews in Space" from? 20:28 and it in turn was very Brooks, including often being too clever by half 20:28 itself 20:28 no 20:28 Blazing Saddles especially was a pleasant surprise 20:28 History of the World, Part 1 20:28 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2747, rt[0:15:20] 20:28 i liked Jews in Space quite a lot as a teen 20:28 is that the one with a lot of "it's good to be the king"? 20:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:4052, rt[0:35:23] 20:28 probably 20:28 it's been decades since i saw that 20:28 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 9569 points, T:4053, rt[0:35:30], wc[0:35:56], quit 20:28 yeah its been a good 20ish 20:29 so, it must've been in the 1980s. which were 20 years ago 20:29 Brooks honestly sounds like an awesome person 20:29 hm maybe 20:29 inclined to rewatch all his stuff regardless 20:29 also i would say The Equalizer is the most cypunk current TV show 20:29 Noted 20:29 i had some hope for TGP but it turns out not to notice colonialism exist 20:30 TGP? 20:30 The GOod Place 20:30 Also man I wanna watch Spaceballs now 20:30 Oh 20:30 the show that made me join reddit 20:30 Danson's new work is good though, Mr. Mayor. not so cypunk 20:30 ...not sure if that's a warning or damnation by faint praise re: Reddit 20:30 t. primarily joined reddit for NetHack 20:30 except Holly Hunter as Deputy Mayor Arpi Menimen or something like that is very good re: dialectical social analysis/class hostility stuff 20:30 yes 20:31 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3147, rt[0:18:13] 20:31 I say that not to cast aspersions on the folks at r/roguelikes, mind 20:31 everyone knows the nature of reddit 20:31 on that note, brb 20:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 306 points, T:751, killed by a wounded small mimic 20:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first item, on T:10248 20:36 btw, my comment above is not to say that I'm confident in the direction The Equalizer will ultimately go, but it is a pretty solid show in season 1 other than the occasional political message muddled by the context in which it is made and produced (she shoots and kills dudes and then her daughter sings a Common track that lies about the Ferguson Uprising being 'peaceful', borderline disrespectful to the street fighters if you ask me) has lots of 20:36 promise though 20:36 and then she joins the CIA lol 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3497 20:36 but all of the protags are genuinely charming and have a role in SICA (social investigation with class analysis) 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law), 853 points, T:3498, killed by a killer bee 20:36 have you considered that you're recommending these games and shows and then spoiling large parts of them? 20:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) stole 2155 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Brzeg's liquor emporium, on T:10290 20:37 yes and none of htese are really significant spoilers 20:37 some only superficially appear to be spoilers (you know she is going to kill dudes by the stakes) 20:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 2840 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kesh's second-hand bookstore, on T:3980 20:38 people have vastly different feelings about what's a significant spoiler though 20:38 anyway in my view we will never have a true cypunk RL until someone figures out how to incoropate SICA 20:38 noted Muad 20:38 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3028 points, T:3790, [0:25:10], quit 20:38 mine is that what i reveal is comparable to imdb or watchcartoononline or such 20:38 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:38 but i'm hearing you both 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law), 81 points, T:602, killed by an uninjured giant mimic 20:39 i don't mind much because i have a bad memory but i tend not to read back covers from books 20:39 yeah the "it's not a _significant_ spoiler" defense is not a good one. who decides what's significant? I know people who hate when someone prevents them from going in totally blind 20:39 until i'm at least halfway in 20:39 alright then 20:39 i'll try to meet halfway 20:41 for me, personally, it's only relevant if it happens just before i start reading/watching/playing 20:41 thats a factor plus my personal sense is that it's not possible to avoid learning that Columbo has a lazy eye and chomps cigars, or that a Judge Dredd movie will involve a drug ring 20:42 but again i will chew on it 20:42 actually I had known absolutely nothing about Judge Dredd up until now apart from the name 20:43 then I stand corrected 20:43 everyone gets different slices of pop culture 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1732830 points, T:22537, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Frozty/nethack/dumplog/1615925668.nh.html 20:43 oh yeah "but everyone's seen it, it's 30 years old" is weird 20:43 there's so much stuff out there 20:44 Small Reference Pools and all that 20:44 tbh i used to feel more like you two and everyone (from my POV at the time) griped that i was being impossible and "it's 20 years old everyone knows" 20:44 just yesterday a friend was talking about "The Warriors", a film about (iirc) 1980s NY gangs and he was all like "yeah you HAVE seen it you just don't remember" 20:44 I've never seen it myself 20:44 see there you go 20:44 but yeah Late-Arrival Spoilers are definitely A Thing to be considere 20:44 that one is so foundational to films with those themes that you effectively have, even if you technically haven't 20:44 considered* 20:45 CNT-FAI, that was one of his points yeah 20:45 Yeah, not wrong there 20:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qQ6wSei-NJU 20:45 there are plenty of people in the anglosphere who don't know the big reveal of The Empire Strikes Back 20:45 is it that the empire makes a counterattack 20:45 it's that they actually strike forward 20:45 twist!!!!!!!! 20:46 if one of you accuses me of spoiling THe Last Jedi I will become very cross, that one is in the name 20:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a giant beetle corpse on an altar, on T:3124 20:46 i remember someone making pretty decent arguments about how all the SW film names should be swapped around 20:46 they're generally very bad 20:47 TLJ is also the only justifiable episode in general 20:47 I must take care not to spoil John Dies At The End 20:47 i mean his point was that the names are good, just applied to the wrong films 20:47 oops 20:47 Muad: link to a proposal to how they should swap around? 20:47 aosdict, https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8oqYhRT-A8s 20:48 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 780 points, T:1519, [0:08:06], killed by a fall onto poison spikes 20:48 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:48 i honestly just think they are WAY under-edited, bits and pieces of each other than TLJ should be re-sorted into about 2-4 episodes 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:5587 20:49 also they wouldn't have uh famous guy who plays Han if they were made in a society where feminism had advanced to the point where we listened to Carrie Fisher and read betweent he lines 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 3770 points, T:5645, killed by a heavily wounded soldier ant 20:49 at least in retrospect this wouldn't be a celebrated choice 20:50 John Belushi's critique of the market, "I'm sure my fans would love to see 'Animal House in Space'", reminds me of that casting choice 20:51 Speaking of casting choices, which would be worse: Jeff Foxworthy as captain of the Enterprise, or Patrick Stewart telling redneck jokes? 20:51 Stewart already does this sometimes on AD! 20:51 still cracks me up that Harrison Ford crashed a plane to a golf course and obviously there were doctors playing there. lucky just like his characters 20:52 i think my ideal Han might very well be Scott Bakula 20:53 <@deathsushi> I could get on board for that 20:53 I barely go here so I've been quiet re: Star Wars and if I get started anyway I'll just end up malding about the treatment of Boyega 20:53 Hmm, now I am trying to decide who would be perfectly _wrong_ for the part of Han Solo. Woody Allen maybe. 20:53 Or Ben Stiller. 20:53 oh uh 20:53 Broderick as well 20:54 Errol Flynn 20:54 Johnny Knoxville 20:54 Eddie Murphy as Princess Leia? 20:54 oh no 20:55 Ben Stiller is weird because I keep thinking about Ruben Stiller, the Finnish journalist/media personality who shares my first name and once randomly I bought an Asimov short story collection, used, and Stiller had written his name on it because it used to be his. so there 20:55 my first problem with that jonadab is that Tyler Perry and Martin would both be worse 20:55 Fair. 20:56 though the winner might be Matthew Gray Gubler 20:56 i like Gubler a lot 20:56 I find myself not at all disappointed that I don't know who that is. 20:56 We all do, but yeesh 20:56 jonadab, Criminal Minds guy 20:56 jona: the autistic coded one on CM 20:56 Oh him? 20:56 Oh, never seen it. 20:57 I've seen bits and pieces of it, not enough to remember any given ep 20:57 I've heard of Criminal Minds, but I don't know anything about it. 20:57 it's hit and miss from the concept up 20:57 as far as cop shows go, it's the one with enough heart to undermine itself 20:57 But enough to know a lot of crime/cop shows tend to have at least one """token""" autistic-coded or else Generally Weird char in staff 20:57 i think it's the best police procedural of late 20:57 Probably because of what Rif said 20:57 Umbire, yeah but CM pretty quickly has him as the central character essentially 20:57 Before I swore off them in general I was a Law & Order junkie 20:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:13679 20:58 Ooh, that sounds like a point in its favor 20:58 i usually prefer the procedurals that aren't trying to have morality 20:58 Also why I had the air quotes around the word "token" 20:58 bc it's a lie in CM as much as any of them 20:59 also Mindy Patinkin as the good cop in a middle eastern torture site is an eye roller 21:00 i barely remember that 21:00 was the character killed off soon after it? 21:00 Say, whatever happened to the actress who played the annoying neighbor who said "No-nuh-nuh-no-no-no" all the time in Small Wonder? 21:00 mmm, well 21:00 i have a guesstimate but i've been asked to stop spoiling things 21:01 fair point 21:02 as a heads up Discord does have spoiler tags (||done like so||) 21:02 charm monster! 21:02 yeah but this is an IRC channel 21:02 but ofc the *spoiling* part doesn't take on our end 21:02 ykwim 21:02 was what I was just ABOUT TO SAY 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3134 21:02 >:C 21:02 (||discord users eat their boogers||) 21:02 also gj on the charm monster 21:02 <{Demo}3> good thing im not a discord user 21:02 alright alright i did cut you up 21:02 ty 21:02 still priestess I take it? 21:02 off* 21:02 yeah 21:02 I don't think the parens matter Muad 21:02 ||they can't see this|| 21:03 Yeah they don't 21:03 might do another hundred before i switch for more than one game 21:03 that was just the sentence structure 21:03 which kinda priestess this time 21:03 oh, um.. i mean.. i knew that 21:03 been htiting random, which almost always gvies me the chaotic elf or a lawful human 21:03 seems xnh might be telling you something 21:04 the duality of rif 21:04 i'm spiritually stratified 21:04 I tend to favor priests because it saves so many BUC checks and bones file digs 21:04 yeah exactly 21:04 and neutral because their artifacts are the best 21:04 and girls because girls are cool 21:04 ah noted 21:05 and I can additionally make the best of things if I step on a polymorph trap with SDSM 21:05 (and also dragons are The Cool) 21:05 i alweyas, always misread those dragon scale related FLAs 21:05 FLAs? 21:05 four letter acronyms 21:05 oh 21:05 Ah, by analogy with TLAs. 21:05 Oh yeah yeah 21:06 yes, although both are in the hacker's dictionary and such 21:06 the only colors that commonly raise eyebrows are blue/black 21:06 but yeah gray dragon scale mail tends to be the less chosen for me personally 21:06 given that I often want direct reflection to protect my inventory 21:06 human word recognition just doesn't necessarily limit itself to when 100% of the letters are equivalent to the similar looking FLA 21:06 though if I'm going for something like, shield of reflection caveman I'd totally wish some up 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 2564 points, T:3454, quit 21:06 that being said GDSM more direwctly reminds me of GDMFSOB 21:07 yeah it sounds "easy" to grok context in NetHack if you're seasoned enough 21:07 but if you've been away for a while or are otherwise uninitiated 21:07 yeah 21:07 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0CpWOo7ODzg 21:07 YASI: Gray dragon magic missile are made of solidified expletives 21:08 YANI: When you're in a digesting engulfer, it hits you with its digestion attack every turn, rather than only when it gets a move. Trappers and lurkers above are slooooow, so they digest you way too slowly to be a threat. 21:08 Viable idea 21:08 EPI: digestion attacks work the same way against the player, as against other monsters. 21:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed fixed scrolls of charging", on T:14673 21:09 Buuurp. 21:09 a timespace bender would probably be a decent RL idea, lots and lots of work to make the transitions between planes or laws of physics/linguistics/chem fit 21:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed fixed scrolls of genocide", on T:14675 21:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:14729 21:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:14799 21:12 Is there anyway to unscrew yourself when zapped by a wand of fumble, tripping and losing intelligence ruins the game 21:12 It's SLEX so probably not 21:12 (or "probably is but I haven't the faintest clue") 21:13 ruins the game > congratulations you have attained slex enlightemnemt 21:13 enlightenment* 21:14 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2882, rt[0:26:10] 21:15 <@deathsushi> Are both fake wizards towers ever ont he same level? 21:15 probably the only song that deserves an RL inspired by it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MJCaFe1yamg 21:15 not to mention video 21:15 @deathsushi no 21:17 You have quite the taste 21:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:15129 21:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:15161 21:17 is Fishbone an all-black band or just mostly black 21:18 idk, but was recommended by Skatune Network who is worth watching on youtube and by proxy in Cartoon Network's Craig of the Creek 21:18 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:18 i distantly know him and he's incredible, plays all the instruments and does all the dancing 21:18 which since its ska is an incredible amount of labor 21:19 Huh! 21:19 Learnin' all over the place 21:19 Also Craig is The Good 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3355 21:19 yeah i was very glad when he got a tv show 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3543 21:20 ska had a long and massive moment in san diego when i was growing up there but a ton of it does not justify its own existence 21:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:15466 21:21 Sick 21:21 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2772 points, T:3502, [0:32:56], killed by a heavily wounded leocrotta 21:21 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 21:22 fuck leocrottas 21:22 but also when's Amy gonna do something with that silly leocrotta bit we did 21:22 <@deathsushi> Yup, fuck thgose leos 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4101 21:22 <@deathsushi> aosdict: Thanks 21:24 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 218 points, T:540, [0:02:18], killed by an uninjured jackal 21:24 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 21:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:15610 21:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:15614 21:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 boots of speed", on T:15614 21:27 -!- Roho has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:28 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3296 points, T:2241, killed by a gnome king 21:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:16297 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:31721 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:6069 21:33 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:1874, rt[0:09:12] 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:6321 21:34 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2023, rt[0:09:45] 21:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:16874 21:39 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u8Jo7EIOWHA 21:41 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:47053 21:41 <@deathsushi> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gK6agCZy6pY 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a small glob of gray ooze, on T:6169 21:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a mithril long sword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:6072 21:48 All Leos Are Bastards 21:48 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 21:55 oh boy here she come https://i.postimg.cc/XqtDGgdH/image.png 21:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 8835 points, T:6542, killed by a watchman 21:57 -!- Roho has joined #hardfought 21:57 Oh lordt. 21:57 she ded 21:58 wait what, who? 21:58 muh ghost 21:58 can I get rid of fumble once it's on me 21:58 is the ghost W on x? 21:58 ya 21:59 makes sense i guess 21:59 That's a question for Amy or any other resident field SLEXpert to handle. 21:59 And amateurhour ain't here. 21:59 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 22:00 -!- tommo has quit [Client Quit] 22:00 -!- tommo_ has joined #hardfought 22:01 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 22:02 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Stef75's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:7465 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:7559 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11354 22:07 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:7666 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 16700 points, T:11473, killed by an uninjured pyrolisk 22:10 Hi Tommo! 22:13 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 22:13 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 28873 points, T:9247, killed by a monster (hc denter) 22:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2762, rt[0:15:38] 22:18 [hdf-us] [seed] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1939 points, T:3613, [0:22:24], killed by a heavily wounded gargoyle 22:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3024, rt[0:18:04] 22:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:5723 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:33186 22:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ryoshu, on T:19050 22:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Law), 2117 points, T:5845, killed by a moderately wounded wolf 22:23 -+ 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:8260 22:25 -+? 22:25 typo 22:26 is OW time, at any rate 22:26 O 22:26 Enjoy as much as you can 22:26 ty! 22:26 Gonna fall down the WP hole for a bit 22:26 WP? 22:28 Wikipedia 22:28 Just got done handling some nonsense in there 22:29 ahhhhh 22:29 bring an illegally large shovel 22:31 ...why illegally 22:31 ...why illegally large? 22:31 Why illegal specifically??? 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 77 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:34325 22:35 oveerthinking it 22:35 But it begs the question! 22:35 (though I will clarify I am overthinking it as a bit_ 22:35 *) 22:38 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5616, rt[0:37:39] 22:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 177 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:35881 22:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased Magic Mirror of merlin", on T:19830 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9689 22:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Maud (Cav Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1962 22:57 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Sam Gia Fem Law), 2246 points, T:1940, zombified by an orc zombie 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:37041 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Pri Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3142 23:26 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:10012, rt[1:25:44] 23:27 YANI: Polyforms give intrinsic MC status roughly equivalent to that form's monster magic resistance (e.g. 25-50 = MC1, 50-75 = MC2, 75-100 = MC3) 23:28 do players not enjoy any benefits from monster MR now? 23:28 i don't tend to change shape myself 23:28 I mean they probably do but I wouldn't know 23:28 not enough such games to have a frame of reference 23:29 wiki says players don't get it at all 23:29 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:52137 23:29 Oh, well there you go 23:29 idea's nifty 23:30 It's variant agnostic but FIQ has a thing about mon/player symmetry so it might fit esp. well there 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3877 23:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Pri Hum Mal Law), 4270 points, T:3972, killed by a wounded soldier ant 23:32 variant ecumenical.. ? 23:32 wut 23:32 variant unitarian universalism 23:32 (go team a!_ 23:32 *) 23:32 Muad: wdym 23:33 vanquished by a Wounded Warrior 23:33 just thinking what would mean "suitable for all variants" 23:33 idk if it exists 23:33 Variant agnostic is probably the best in the sense of "not pertaining to any specific edition of NetHack" 23:33 i dont think these are good synonyms for agnostic outisde of christian culture anyway 23:34 which would imply as much wrt being suitable for all of them 23:34 CNT-FAI: possibly true but I feel that's a different tin of purple worm 23:35 still, at least this is the perfect time to be crushingly lonely and isolated 23:35 Not in my etymologist bag currently so 23:35 ¯\_(º_o)_/¯ 23:37 You open your etymologist bag (c. 1200, "bagge", probably from Old Norse "baggi") 23:38 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Ran Cen Mal Cha), 2170 points, T:1377, killed by a gold golem 23:38 You open, access, expand, broach, crack open, and unfasten your thesaurus bag 23:39 a linguist rl where you try to liberate the Antibacterial Megaphone 23:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:10706, rt[1:37:50] 23:39 Antiviral* 23:40 Why antiviral specifically 23:43 we're in a pantomime 23:44 Oh 23:44 respiratory stuff is a concern with shared audio equipment 23:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37939 23:45 True 23:45 also linguists get on megaphones for both sides of class/political conflicts on campus, which is a little unusual for that tool 23:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37952 23:45 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 7126 points, T:1641, killed by a monster (creep mummy), while dressing up 23:45 George Lakoff once tried to convince protesters at Berkeley through a megaphone that they had already won and should go home 23:46 did not work which means more spitting into the thing 23:46 hm 23:49 when was this Berkeley thing? 23:49 09/10 during the 32% fee hike protests 23:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:68638 23:50 Occupy UC was a pretty highly informed and strategic minded group and the attempt only drew attention to the fact that important meetings were admittedly being held behind closed doors in contravention of state law 23:50 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:53942 23:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Mal Law) wished for "+2 blessed greased fixed boots of speed", on T:68640 23:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 115 points, T:748, killed by an uninjured giant mimic 23:51 UC would be University of California, and the UCSD you previously mentioned is that of San Diego? 23:51 ya 23:52 As additional reference Cali is like the bluest blue state in the country 23:52 i wasn't there for this particular move, i was more active in SD, Irvine and LA 23:52 individual locations probably not so much 23:52 there's like about 4 American universities i would know from other contexts. all the rest from protests 23:52 (the 4 are Harvard, Cal Tech, MIT, and Vassar) 23:53 Lakoff is most famous for his influential theory during the run up to the Obama era that voters are looking for a particular parenting style in their political parties and that the Democrats should constitute themselves conceptually as a permissive but loving parent 23:53 Thanks I now hate his guts 23:53 lol 23:53 Obama himself came to agree and then won the presidential election 23:53 yeah he's not my faves 23:54 yeah I am Actually Angry to have learned this fact 23:54 between him and Sorkin I'm pretty sure a significant percentage of humanity is doomed 23:54 But I digress. 23:54 who's this Sorkin? 23:55 West Wing dude 23:55 incidentally "sorkin" means "i am prodding" in Finnish. 23:55 lmao 23:55 Aaron Sorkin 23:55 you have given us a great and powerful gift 23:55 Oh yeah Rif is gonna abuse that to hell and back 23:55 hah hah 23:56 West Wing is the specific kind of show almost tailored to be used as prescriptivism by its viewers 23:56 who largely treat matters of governance like sportsball as is 23:56 so. 23:56 well, i will say this and then drop it bc very OT, but remember that the US is covertly much more of an apartheid state than it appears to be/claims to be due to immigration and voting policies and it may be most healthy to keep in mind that reactionaries are paper tigers 23:57 I prefer paper swans. 23:57 Or leopards. 23:57 ...actually partial towards elephants too, elephants are cool. 23:57 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:11874, rt[1:56:37] 23:57 maybe it's actually closer to "i am poking".. it's like if you push your finger into a pile of sand 23:57 Probably like max difficulty in terms of origami, though. 23:58 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:11875, rt[1:57:06] 23:58 that sounds like the attack they called Prod in worms 23:58 hahaa 23:58 that was the most humiliating one 23:58 yep 23:59 being on a precarious enough perch to die to a low-damage Sorkining is humiliating in and of itself 23:59 bc why leave yourself in that position if you can help it 23:59 usually because you jumped wrong and fell so your turn ended 23:59 or failed a ninja rope in the same way