00:00 i am the sad because i booped away all my overwatch accomplishments as pharah on the ps4 [23:52:04] OH NO i spaced anbd made a new battle.net account instead of haxing into the one i used to use in ca for overwatch on ps4 and now it llooks like im some random whos never played 00:00 currently trying to figure out how to link tehr ight accounts 00:01 awe 00:04 Hi Rif. 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 552 points, T:1124, killed by a wounded dwarf 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 19 points, T:305, killed by an uninjured newt 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:5, killed by a poisonous corpse 00:11 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! 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It has nothing to do with collecting corpses from all monsters in monst.c. It is simply about eating every comestible that the game generates. 04:59 These concepts, are not really similar. 05:00 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 05:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Stef75's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:3252 05:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3423 05:09 -!- AmyBundlebundle has joined #hardfought 05:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed shadowrider38's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:3595 05:09 such a dear bundle ๐Ÿ˜€ 05:10 okay so this wifi hopefully works 05:10 it does 05:10 we can tell cuz ur talking to us 05:11 yo amateurhour! do you want to play a kurwa for a change ๐Ÿ˜„ 05:11 aoei: herzchenschmรผschel ๐Ÿ˜ (that sounds so cuuuuuute!) 05:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3629 05:12 * amateurhour checks what kurwa does 05:12 no 05:12 :P 05:12 kurwa is prostitute with extra horrible interface screw intrinsics gained by levelling up iirc 05:13 lol you only want to play your boring monk I know ๐Ÿ˜› 05:13 i watched amy pllay it once 05:13 and i was like wth is even going on 05:13 was impossible to follow anything 05:13 does kicking train martial arts? might be tempted to try ysm 05:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 204 points, T:880, killed by a slightly wounded hobbit 05:14 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2428 05:14 amateurhour: it does 05:16 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 998 points, T:2289, killed by Ms. Pakka Pakka, the shopkeeper 05:19 gtg now, train is coming 05:19 -!- AmyBundlebundle has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:19 cya 05:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:46332 05:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] bezaban (Kni Hum Mal Law), 917 points, T:5658, killed by an uninjured rabid rat 05:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Necromancer, on T:46612 05:43 amateurhour: "ysm"? 05:46 it's a slex role called YSexymate 05:46 no idea what that means 05:46 but they do a lot of damage when kicking with martial arts or something 05:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1713 points, T:1517, killed by a cursed amulet of life saving 05:48 *sigh*. Evil. 05:49 arahael maybe you should try slex :P 05:49 amateurhour: I don't need no screw intrinsics. 05:50 maybe you'd 05:50 * amateurhour shudders 05:50 enjoy it 05:51 This reminds me of a scene in a movie I once had the misfortune of watching. 05:52 Yep - the sex scene in Demolition Man. 05:55 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:57 Which, I suspect, was actually censored, somehow, in my country, so it was just extra weird. 05:57 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 06:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 8 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:47855 06:07 -!- maxlunar has joined #hardfought 06:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:43791 06:09 mobileuser: Congrats. I last did that level, and died because of a freaking *owlbear* held me whilst one of the big bastards hit me. 06:09 ouch! 06:10 mobileuser: For obvious reasons, fireball spell is *especially* good on that level, though you can't cast that, can you, as a tourist? 06:11 It basically insta-drowns monsters. 06:11 I've wished for a nice short sword of fire :-) 06:12 Nice, but not nearly as good as fireball. 06:18 yeah, tourist. no fireball spell for me. 06:19 Unfortunate. 06:19 [hdf-au] [nh370] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3746 06:19 [hdf-au] [nh370] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed naoky's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:3746 06:19 Hmm, just found a *cursed* pair of dragonhide falconry gloves. 06:22 why can't we use it to train falcons 06:22 I want to send a falcon to attack my foes 06:22 :( 06:22 YANI 06:22 There aren't any falcons in the game, are there? There should be. 06:23 I'm tempted to wear these gloves regardless. Even if they're -1 fumbling gloves, it's still a net benefit, surely? 06:23 fumbling is still bad even if you're weaponless 06:24 Hmm. 06:24 Such a waste of dragonhide. 06:25 [hdf-au] [nh370] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1873 points, T:3987, killed by a nearly deceased giant bat 06:35 amateurhour: They were cursed -3 dragonhide gauntlets of fumbling! 06:35 Glad I didn't try them on - I used identify. 06:41 -!- maxlunar has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 06:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:44220 06:47 Congrats, mobileuser! The previous time, due to a peculiar interaction, one of her dogs and a freaking *dragon* that Kathryn spawned as well, wiped off more than 150 HP in two turns. 06:47 It's a _hard_ level. 06:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:49 even with reduced spell damage her "severe wound spells" did a lot of damage 06:50 plus she summoned a snow golem 06:50 had to jump away, teleport 1 of the dogs and quaff full healing 06:51 *sigh*. I'm TermIll. Damned zombies. And the God is angry now, of course. 06:51 off to a great start eh? 06:51 mobileuser: Teleporting the dogs was something I never thought of, something I definitely have to do next time I'm there. 06:52 Not in this game, though. In this game, I think I'll pray again. If the god's angry, why not push them along? 06:52 Actually I think I'll quaff this forge. 06:53 Hmm, or pray on Moloch's altar? 06:53 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:53 so many ways to die :-) 06:53 find the most contrived one to do 06:54 Septieme: In the previous game I died using an amulet of life saving. 06:54 cursed? 06:54 Septieme: Yep. 06:54 I'm also punished, I might not make it to the forge, so I think I'll pray on moloch's altar. 06:55 "You feel that Chih Sung-Tsu is displeased" 06:55 That's... Actually an improvement! 06:55 * arahael prays again! 06:55 from? was he absolutely pissed before? 06:55 > The voice of Chih Sung-tzu booms: "Thou hast angered me." Suddenly, a bolt of lightning strikes you! You fry to a crisp! 06:55 Septieme: Yep. 06:56 so ded now? 06:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 10381 points, T:3490, killed by the wrath of Chih Sung-tzu 06:57 that answers my question 06:57 Indeed. :) 06:57 On second thoughts, I could've seen if I coudl survive as a zombie, but that's like, a 1% chance, and it's already so frustrating to become TermIll without any means of fixing it. 06:58 meanwhile I got back in after a while and even on Vanilla haven't even reached the quest level 06:58 I think I've reached nom once in my entire career 06:58 Septieme: I've played countless games on evil. Never once ascended. Got past the quest a few times, though. 06:59 you got this Septieme 06:59 Septieme: It's not a competition, anyway. At least not until June. ;) 06:59 and even then after reaching there a Lich ruined the whole thing by cursing my BoH and Boots of Levitation. 06:59 And then I got stuck between two boulders 06:59 FUN! 07:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6063 07:17 G'night! 07:17 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 07:22 ninite' 07:23 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 07:23 hey hey! 07:25 [hdf-us] [slshm] ucbvax (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 2110216 points, T:67373, killed by an invisible gypsy called g1wish 07:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:33 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:35 died wish farming, ouch 07:35 !lastgame ucbvax 07:35 amateurhour: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/u/ucbvax/slashem/dumplog/1613453503.slashem.txt 07:45 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 07:47 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41500 07:52 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:52 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 07:54 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:54 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 08:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 854 points, T:2075, killed by an uninjured werejackal 08:10 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 08:13 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:13 -!- Septieme has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8281 08:17 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 08:19 !who 08:19 K2: [hdf-us] post163 [nh370] Stef75 [nh370] Frozty [nh370] aux [slshm] | [hdf-eu] elenmirie [nh370] lacca [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:20 xNetHack updated (all servers) 08:29 -!- jannis has joined #hardfought 08:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided mind flayers, on T:44311 08:32 -!- Xjs has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:19439 08:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 259 points, T:873, killed by a steel dwarvish spear 08:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:27945 08:58 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 08:59 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1977 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:10349 09:10 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:10 [hdf-us] [slshm] aux (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 11328 points, T:4848, killed by a grid bug 09:12 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:87629 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu), 3713 points, T:4141, killed by a jaguar 09:14 u about Pinkbeast 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11227 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:11358 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 26595 points, T:11359, killed by a wounded cobra 09:24 A little, but I am nominally at work and, more unfairly, there is some actual work to do 09:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3675 points, T:3866, killed by a wounded crocodile 09:26 fair play if you get bored read my opener for a supershort story about shapes 09:26 https://dpaste.com/8JFX4B43A 09:26 draft opener, something 09:26 idk 09:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ShayBegorrah (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 448 points, T:1280, killed by an uninjured jackal, while fainted from lack of food 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 401 points, T:3158, killed by a crossbow bolt 09:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) was given the Grappler's Grasp, on T:30974 09:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ShayBegorrah (Rog Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1183 09:38 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 09:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:31502 09:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:50266 09:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ShayBegorrah (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 344 points, T:1274, killed by a magic missile, while moving through the air 09:42 injection site hurty 09:42 <{Demo}3> if they mixed in h with the vaccine i bet it wouldnt hurt for long :P 09:45 aoei: That's, ah, very odd 09:46 {Demo}3: Also true of cynanide 09:46 <{Demo}3> they should offer vaccine mixins 09:46 odd was definitely part of what i was going for there 09:47 https://twitter.com/dril/status/921288451978350593?s=20 09:48 <{Demo}3> anyone know of any albums where all the tracks on it work alone but are all the same length and if you listen to some at the same time they mix really well together? 09:48 <{Demo}3> so you can kind of combine tracks at will to listen to new tracks not on the album by just starting them both at the same time? 09:49 not sure as never done it but maybe Chase The Light Vol 2 by Adam Fielding 09:49 it's hard to remember which albums have tracks of the same length, if any 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3103 09:50 As a failed mathematician I am obliged to start by considering albums with 0 tracks and with 1 track 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:3174 09:50 this would also be the method if you encountered this question in the LSAT 09:51 i don't think the lengths are exactly the same, but for a consistent smooth experience in a good album, i have to recommend Kitchen Cynics' Beads Upon an Abacus 09:51 with credit to WPRB, Princeton's independent radio 09:52 <@deathsushi> lol, that would totally be an LSAT question 09:52 <{Demo}3> might just start making really cursed "full album at once" mixes of existing albums 09:53 Just stretch or shrink the tracks to the average length 09:53 yeah i'd start with Velvet Underground tbh 09:54 or My Bloody Valentine 09:54 Start with REM, all their songs sound the same anyway 09:54 lel 09:54 <@deathsushi> Fungible 09:54 <@deathsushi> ๐Ÿ˜„ 09:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed Shelob, on T:32387 09:55 * aosdict starts humming "It's The End Of The World As We Know It" 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Qwesti's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:3589 09:57 what i've got stuck in my head today: "I've got a structured settlement and I need cash now..." 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:3646 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a wounded fire ant), on T:3662 09:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:32972 10:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:50895 10:03 <{Demo}3> hmmm i have a feeling this is gonna end up like when you're a kid and you're like "WHAT IF I MIXED ALL THE PAINT COLORS TOGETHER WHAT KINDA CRAZY SHIT WOULD HAPPEN?????" and it just makes a really boring brown color and not a cool rainbow 10:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Law) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:2543 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3922 10:07 ya 10:09 welp i broke a bunch of stuff in the shop i cant affodr to pay off so expect a death notice soon 10:09 <@oatmeal> gonna code the incel class in c 10:10 i dont even knwo waht thats in reference to but lolling at incel anyway 10:10 that sounds like the thing we were talking about last night 10:10 yeah kidna 10:11 <@oatmeal> instakills foocubus 10:11 <@oatmeal> and is friendly to unicorns 10:11 <@oatmeal> as dumb little rule things 10:11 i gave a presentation at my old resarch group's weekly group meeting once about incels 10:11 where i painted myself as one 10:11 and talked about my life as an incel, discovering the red pill, and uhm something about female mind control powers wich was a reference to a satire blog post i found somewhere 10:12 i think a couple people in my group got it and foujdn it funny and the rest were just very wtf is going on here 10:12 <@oatmeal> well if you wanna talk srs about incels 10:13 <@oatmeal> red pill isnt really inceley tbh 10:13 ehhh i see them as p connected isnt it 10:13 please present your case to the forum 10:13 <@oatmeal> if you were ever on PSL or incels.co you would know the environment is very err, different 10:13 for review 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Stef75's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:4622 10:13 <@oatmeal> well i mean, they are basically the same thing in the eyes of the world 10:13 ok its possible i did insufficient research for that bit 10:13 <@oatmeal> fair enough 10:13 the red pill is literally a metaphor for premarin, the precurser to estradiol 10:13 CNT-FAI: yo i did not know that 10:14 i thiought it was just an abuse of the matrix meme idea 10:14 <@oatmeal> when i think of incels I think of a community that is very different imo 10:14 ye if you rewatch you'll see the trans woman metaphor 10:14 wahcowskis were the closeted then 10:14 ok oatmeal fair 10:14 <@oatmeal> you can ask me a lot about it because i used to be in PSL forums 10:14 CNT-FAI: oh right yea 10:14 <@oatmeal> its like a niche community of what people would say 'incels' are but they aren't really incels 10:14 <@oatmeal> but its some crazy shit 10:14 <@oatmeal> so w/e 10:14 damn 10:15 kinda curious but idk if i wanna know how deep that rabbit hole goes 10:15 <@oatmeal> do you want me to elaborate? 10:15 how deep does it go oatmeal 10:15 im gonna say yea 10:15 elaborate 10:15 <@oatmeal> well here goes son 10:15 you may refer to me not as son but as uhm 10:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Law), 534 points, T:2681, killed by a wand 10:15 idk ma'am is probably more appropriat eif you are younger than 29 10:15 <@oatmeal> im 17 LOL 10:15 you may address me as ma'am 10:16 now tell ur story 10:16 im curious about it lol 10:16 I wonder if this is going to be like metal or Christianity where the sects only matter if you're on the inside. Only horrible, presumably. 10:16 lol Pinkbeast 10:16 i feel like we're in for some level of harrowing 10:16 but idk what yet 10:16 <@oatmeal> so basically a few years ago I used to be into a community of basically three sites (two of which no longer exist) 10:17 <@oatmeal> puahate sluthate lookism also looksmax.me 10:17 uhuh ok 10:17 Yike 10:17 I figure I should announce this here as well: xNetHack 6.0 is officially released as of this morning 10:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4936 10:17 aosdict there's more important things going on right now 10:17 mamma mia 10:17 haha 10:17 disagree 10:17 plug ur variant later 10:18 fair CNT-FAI lmao 10:18 * aosdict checks clock 10:18 10:18 > 10:17 10:18 I figure I should announce this here as well: xNetHack 6.0 is officially released as of this morning 10:18 hahahaha 10:18 pls be thanked aosdict for releasing a xnh the morning after my vaxiniration 10:18 fair play fair play 10:18 aoei: Also that was slightly unfair about Christianity since I'm not on the inside and love a good heretical conspiracy theory about the Pope as much as anyone 10:18 i guess techinically speaking 10:19 dark dives into redpillers/incels culture is not *exactly* ontopic hardfought 10:19 ya 10:19 but still extremely interesting to me 10:19 oatmeal please go on 10:19 <@oatmeal> most of what people talked about there is 1) what made a male attractive to women. which eventually evolved into some really, strange stuff that is like a mix between phrenology, race sciece, dentistry, and many other stuff 2) typical incel stuff and misogyny etc 10:19 Also I'm starting to think oatmeal is not the person who draws The Oatmeal 10:19 * aoei forgets what phrenology is 10:19 Pinkbeast, thank God 10:19 Pinkbeast: wati wut 10:19 aoei, skull shape analysis 10:19 aoei it was the precursor to psychology 10:19 Muad: oohhhhhhh that stuff 10:20 right 10:20 okay 10:20 yes 10:20 carry on 10:20 Skull shape being significant. Sometimes, but not always, tied into plain old scientific racism 10:20 yeah yeah i know it was largely racism occasionally sexism 10:20 it was always teied into plain old sicentific racism 10:20 in scientific and highly legitimised format 10:21 like saying basketball isn't tied to gravity 10:21 lol CNT-FAI 10:21 <@oatmeal> i didn't leave because I stopped beliving in that stuff initially. I left because my internet was absolute garbage and because I posted my face in the ratings section and they said 'ur above-average and not go and fuk chiks son' 10:22 <@oatmeal> later i stopped believing that stuff when i got kicked out of school for some bs once 10:22 ok wow 10:23 but so far not all that surprising 10:23 <@oatmeal> fsat forward to about now 10:23 this story is realy downplaying some whoppors 10:23 CNT-FAI: right 10:23 <@oatmeal> well i mean 10:23 <@oatmeal> its what happened to me 10:23 <@oatmeal> i didnt really do any weird shit IRL 10:24 <@oatmeal> that would be classified as incely i think 10:24 <@oatmeal> except for asking my parents to save up for surgery which I am still doing atm, and that's its own can of worms 10:24 and uhhhhh getting kicked out of school for ??? 10:24 <@oatmeal> life is weird 10:24 this is a major the event 10:24 well we got onto to this because you talked about them being quite distinct in type of wtf to the redpillers 10:25 <@oatmeal> for using those sites on the school wifi lol 10:25 ah, well, good 10:25 so im curious about like 10:25 differen how exactly 10:25 cuz so far i have no problems imagining the redpillers behave in similar ways to what you described 10:26 <@oatmeal> the only difference is that redpillers believe that acting alpha or whatever matters 10:26 <@oatmeal> PSL was only about looks, and secondarily social status and money 10:26 i prematurely judge this entire convo as having very bizarre notions of what is and is not notable in a story 10:26 <@oatmeal> thats really it 10:26 oh so this alpha/beta cuck stuff 10:26 or in a distinction between groups 10:27 i also judge it a pretty uncomf topic 10:27 is exclusively uhm 10:27 antiblack racist? 10:27 exclusively redpill territory? 10:27 <@oatmeal> sorry if im making you guys uncomfortable 10:27 misunderstanding of biology? 10:27 im mostly just glad ur not doing the thing anymores 10:27 aoei: I do wonder if we're getting a bit of No True Misogynistic Scotsman there 10:27 tbf oatmeal i am here trying to drag more out of you 10:28 <{Demo}3> uhhh idk its pretty normal for minors to get molested into whack groups online these days 10:28 ya pinkbeast 10:28 well i was groomed in the 90s im not like some denier here 10:28 like its uncomf topic 10:28 but it also fascinates me 10:28 {Demo}3: Probably better for them than the Georgian Navy tho' :-) 10:28 <{Demo}3> like hey, at least it was blackpill and not pinkpill + blackmail + etc like u hear about happening 10:28 Pinkbeast: elaborate 10:28 <{Demo}3> lol 10:28 but yeah there is a sort of 'Yeah I used to be part of a group that enjoys slaughtering you with the assault rifle' vibe in here rn 10:28 aoei: The Scotsman, or the Navy? 10:29 No True Navy 10:29 Pinkbeast: No True Misogynistic Scotsman what 10:29 also hang on are we alluding to mass shootings now 10:29 After the No True Scotsman fallacy. I'm pretty sure some incels do go on about that alpha/beta crap 10:29 cuz a friend who lives in Boulder literally reported one to me last night 10:29 yes, by discussing incel behavior 10:29 CNT-FAI: oh yea i see the link now 10:29 it is the uncomf 10:30 like in her area a mass shooting happened just now 10:30 or last night 10:30 she terrified 10:30 understandably 10:30 D: 10:30 sort of like "Yeah I used to be a nazi, we used to break into Jewish preschools and kick the children nbd" vibe 10:30 <@oatmeal> ill be transparent, yea there were a lot of people on there who weren't exactly uh basically the type of people to act out in that way 10:30 <@oatmeal> i knew one of them and I think he went to court because he kept stalking someone 10:30 <@oatmeal> i could look it up but id rather not 10:30 jeez 10:31 this is a traumatic topic for many women! the stalking, that is 10:31 indeed 10:31 <@oatmeal> nazis 10:31 ive never been stalked myself but thats definitely scary shit 10:31 <@oatmeal> well there were a few people who were fascists on there 10:31 ho boy 10:32 honestly tho i respect ur candidness oatmeal 10:32 this convo seems to be almost reveling in being traumatizing in #hardfought for no reason 10:32 i think lot of ppl would probably just deny that bit of their life ever happened 10:32 thinking of leaving 10:32 <@oatmeal> i wasnt because i am hispanic but one of them thought i was iberian and then decided to flame me once he found out i was creole 10:32 <@oatmeal> im not gonna support a group that hates me, thats just stupid 10:32 some people enjoy using private messages to discuss things that are harmful to discuss cavalierly in public 10:32 oh im sorry CNT-FAI, idk if revelling is what is happening here just 10:33 yeah the exageration is sort of a reminder that we are being very casual about retraumatizing a survivor rn 10:33 if its too triggering for public chat maybe we should indeed stop im very sorry 10:33 ty 10:33 <@oatmeal> alright 10:33 i feel like bossy but 10:33 no no 10:33 you're fine 10:33 ty 10:33 we're insensitive here 10:34 as you said bit overly cavalier and trigger warnings exist for a reason 10:34 we're in a public channel 10:34 i do not the judge, it is normal in human behavior to act as if horrifying things are not currently happening, and is probably the necessary survival function in other contexts 10:34 i sincerely apoologise 10:34 ty ur good it is mostly the food for thought reflecting whether i have alsod one this to others 10:35 thinking probably so 10:35 so again,, no place to judge 10:35 ez mistake to make im sur eive done before and anyway glad you called it out and reminded us to be mindful 10:35 <@oatmeal> i think its perfectly fine to judge people for yknow 10:35 glad to help 10:35 well i do feel i hvae to judge past-oatmeal 10:35 <@oatmeal> being part of a group that is dangerous to majority/minority 10:35 just as part of thje social order 10:36 <@oatmeal> whether that be past or present 10:36 also easy thing for me to forget like 10:36 but the present oatmeal seems more thoughtful 10:36 when im feeling emotionally strong i have a pretty high capacity to like 10:36 dark shit 10:36 i myself don't consistently have this property 10:36 honestly im glad both of you havent been too scalded to talk about the world 10:36 and other ppl at any time may not be 10:37 enthusiasms simply must be channeled with care and consideration at times 10:37 CNT-FAI: yea absolutely 10:37 it is the learning experience 10:37 <@oatmeal> cnt-fai? 10:37 oatmeal? 10:37 <@oatmeal> i think my mom told me about that once, that we had someone in our family that was in that weird place in history 10:38 oh 10:38 yeah a lot of ppl went to the spain then 10:38 which weird place in history 10:38 <@oatmeal> very far relative though 10:38 this is a good story from that war http://libcom.org/history/barcelona-meeting-durruti-taking-sietamo-%E2%80%93-pierre-van-paassen 10:38 <@oatmeal> was in one of those communes 10:38 make sure to also note the comments 10:38 my dark family stuff is mostly USSR-related 10:38 as they refer to a debate within left wing organizing that is still very active 10:38 Darkplace 10:39 one ancestor, think it was my great grandfather just up and disappeared one day 10:39 most probably to the gulag 10:39 that is the grim 10:39 aye 10:40 ah mb we should get off the grim and play some vidya 10:40 lel 10:40 i am not complain 10:41 simply note that grim the topic be 10:41 if i were the drinker anymores i would instead pour of drink 10:41 if you want russian grim a day in the life of ivan denisovich is a good book about a dude's day in a gulag 10:41 technically moving away from spanish civil war to the gulags is actually a move in the lighter direction 10:41 Nothing nice ever happens in Russia, well-known fact 10:41 i should probably tell you tho 10:41 his day ain't great 10:42 CNT-FAI: oh fair, honestly i dont know much about spanish civil wars 10:42 This guy, he loves to Miserate 10:42 it's sort of a "What if the Holocaust weren't Hitler's first priority more like 3 or 4" situation 10:42 CNT-FAI: uhm which guy 10:42 some similar things happened but not as organized or dedicated to muder 10:42 franco 10:42 aoei: "Remember the war against Franco, that's the kind where each of us belongs. He may have won all the battles, but we had all the good songs." -- Tom Lehrer 10:42 oh franco right 10:42 but yk, he like, won 10:43 extra depressing + the whole, US and Germany helped together 10:43 <@oatmeal> tbh usa wasn't even that opposed to germany before wwii 10:43 when i was at Universitรกt Autonรฒma de Barcelona for a brief period a friend there explained me some things about the layout of hte school 10:44 tehre were these raised platforms everywehre still there 10:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:26910 10:44 <@oatmeal> it was just convenient that most of america's interests would be stampeded if germany won, 10:44 franco coul dhave his soldiers up on there 10:44 <@oatmeal> such is life 10:44 easier crowd control and what not 10:44 iirc 10:46 <@oatmeal> rip chat 10:46 depends how you define the USA 10:46 i.e whether one speaks of the populace, tjhe government or the industrys 10:46 <@oatmeal> the populace wasn't 10:46 tahts af air point 10:46 <@oatmeal> im pretty sure 10:46 <@oatmeal> idk about the rest 10:46 populace pro republican, government neutral, industrys very much Franco Helpers 10:47 iirc the populace also largely were opposed to, or a large portion of the populace were opposed to, the war in vietnam 10:47 this is slightoly different since that was an imperial quest of market expansion 10:47 ah right 10:47 anyway many US/UK people went to fight for the republicans in the spain 10:47 oof 10:47 this influenced the orwell opinions 10:48 i see 10:48 the orwell opinions being what 10:48 i apologiser for my ignorance i have not studied my histories well enough 10:48 no like im saying 10:48 this is the reason animal farm, 1984 exist 10:48 ahhh 10:48 i do not wish to summarize them presntly 10:48 i have read both 10:48 no need 10:48 anarchists have a documentary called To Die in Madrid, which i have not seen 10:49 but going to spain and dying in madrid was v much a thing 10:49 oh 10:49 so 10:49 <@oatmeal> man you guys seem to know a lot of stuff 10:49 <@oatmeal> i know little about history/poli 10:49 i mean CNT-FAI seems very knowledgeabnle about like 10:49 history and politics 10:49 i don't know jack lmao 10:49 a little known war fact of that time is that the first allied soldiers to enter Paris to liberate it from the hitler were freed/escaped Franco POW's 10:49 they were given the lies promising that after Paris they would march to Madrid 10:50 this was perhaps the most anarchsit moment in Paris' hsitory 10:50 wow interesitng 10:50 y 10:50 a 10:50 i had no idea about that 10:50 thanks CNT-FAI 10:50 it is the suppressed information 10:50 yw 10:50 <@oatmeal> cnt-fai: how'd you learn all this stuff 10:50 the inter nets and the films 10:50 When Franco Died We Were 30 was a very good one 10:50 i have a feeling CNT-FAI is extremely interested in polticis as an anarchist and has done some homework 10:51 a bit 10:51 <@oatmeal> oh well that seems good then 10:53 yo Demo are you gonna keep rebasing ndnh2 on dnh as dnh updates? was gonna ask 10:53 this film i recommend for giving the palpable sense of life there+then 10:53 <@princessSpicycat> i thought ndnh was on pause? 10:53 CNT-FAI: that one yhou just mentioned, When Franco Died We Were 30? 10:53 yar 10:53 ndnh is, but demo is making ndnh2 against a newer dnh 10:54 it'll be like ndnh but without some of the bad and with added good 10:54 <{Demo}3> my dev box died 10:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:27143 10:54 <{Demo}3> a board that might work but isn't gonna fit in the case is coming friday 10:54 <@oatmeal> CNT-FAI: in my short time on earth i think i know an anarchist irl, or at least that is what he calls himself 10:54 all you need is a text editor and sane compiler 10:54 this is not unusual 10:54 <{Demo}3> then I don't have an excuse 10:54 and copious amounts of beer/jolt 10:54 <{Demo}3> that's unacceptable 10:54 <@oatmeal> i remember him going to blm rallies when that was stilla thing 4-5 months ago 10:55 <@oatmeal> still a good friend who i talk to on discord 10:55 usa was arguably majority anarchist before the 9-11 10:55 <@princessSpicycat> blm has not stopped protesting, as the killing has not stopped 10:55 or at least majority sympathizing 10:55 <{Demo}3> yeah hmm maybe I'll get back into ndnh2 in April or something 10:55 <@oatmeal> well i guess he stopped talking about it 10:55 ye but there was a time period when ppl were burning down police stations and the likes 10:55 <@oatmeal> still sure he goes though to there though 10:55 is notabloe distinction 10:57 <@princessSpicycat> demo, i'd love to see some ndnh or brevishack action for june! 10:57 <@princessSpicycat> you have a good big scythe for bad things 10:57 <@oatmeal> CNT-FAI: im very ignorant on this subject but i mean when people picture anarchists isnt the image they paint of citys burning, death everywhere, etc that wasn't the greatests messaging probs 10:57 oh yeah brevishack!! 10:58 what a blast that game is 10:58 best variant imhotbh tbhimo 10:58 <@princessSpicycat> IRC people can't see message edits, iatro 10:58 <@oatmeal> shit lol 10:59 <@oatmeal> i remember on social though they explained why that was happening though 10:59 don't be sad that brevishack is gone, just be happy brevishack ever existed at all 10:59 this was perhaps the most anarchsit moment in Paris' hsitory # uh the Paris Commune didn't call, but only because the telephone hadn't been invented yet 11:00 ehhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 11:00 this was more divided in the ideology 11:00 <@princessSpicycat> chaos is kinda a mainstream media depiction 11:01 the exact moment of the liberation of paris, this was anarchists winning a major battle in a world war 11:01 <@princessSpicycat> when i hung out with anarchists in richmond they were more about making food and giving it away, and hours-long consensus meetings 11:01 yea that is more the thing 11:01 <@oatmeal> yeah that was what my friend is like tbh 11:01 <@oatmeal> very nice person 11:02 also, paris commune had problems caused by not being so much the anarhcist moment, e.g. reifying the weapon of colonial racism in the french empire, the guillotine 11:03 also the mass slaughter is generally not so supported, though this varies greatly 11:03 is also related to the comments int he article i linekd 11:03 http://libcom.org/history/barcelona-meeting-durruti-taking-sietamo-%E2%80%93-pierre-van-paassen 11:04 <@oatmeal> ill read 11:04 is good war story alsos 11:04 some the sad btw 11:05 <@oatmeal> CNT-FAI: anyway this probably got off-topic from what we were talking about before, all that incel crap. idk if it was a great idea to shift topic like that but it seemed to be better for everyone else in the chat so id say it was fine 11:05 ya 11:05 was itself topic change also 11:07 btw: sushi breakfast 11:08 <@oatmeal> CNT-FAI: you know speaking of traumatizing topics, there really are a lot of people (especially online) who will just be insensitive for no good reason 11:08 i have also done this 11:08 <@oatmeal> nah ur fine 11:09 no i mean in past 11:09 <@oatmeal> tbh same but i got tired of it when i started playing multiplayer games 11:09 <@oatmeal> not a fan of when some 12 year old screeches the n word at me 11:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 95395 points, T:27717, killed by a wounded blue jelly 11:10 ya is not good 11:10 <@oatmeal> hey thats interesting 11:10 ya! 11:11 <@oatmeal> why are people in online games compelled to act in that way 11:11 hm 11:11 <@nabru> Anonymity + nobody to judge you + lack of sportsmanship 11:11 i think those with more racist views/sympathies are necessarily less considerate people on average 11:12 even most monsteres irl will give some minimal consideration to the notion that it is bad when people suffer 11:12 <@nabru> Plus gaming has became so high stakes and involved a lot of competition and money 11:12 <@nabru> *involves 11:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 10814 points, T:4877, killed by a tengu 11:12 doing racisms p much necessarily means being okay with the genocide 11:12 slash rather liking it 11:13 rudeness is the small potato for such persons 11:13 <@oatmeal> funilly enough it usually happens in team games 11:13 oh i know 11:13 <@oatmeal> ive noticed it happens less 1v1 11:13 <@oatmeal> and even less in single player 11:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 7 points, T:61, killed by a jackal 11:13 <@oatmeal> and virtually none in roguelikes lmfao 11:14 in single player, is consideration of losing income 11:14 <@oatmeal> well except for malcolmrose i guess 11:14 one also will generally not say, trash popular films 11:14 I didn't realise you lot had the misfortune to know about him 11:14 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:14 generally 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Geryon, on T:88212 11:15 <@oatmeal> Pinkbeast: well least i do 11:15 <@oatmeal> so much for freeze peach man 11:15 this human soldier sure doe snot like Dbanethacker 11:16 <@oatmeal> CNT-FAI: okay but for real, the reason it doesn't happen as much in single player or 1v1 games 11:16 <@oatmeal> is because its usually your fault and/or the other player just being better than you 11:16 <@oatmeal> or luck 11:17 there is typically more consideratino of this, yes 11:17 the whole 'heated gamer moment' thing = 'minor inconvenience justifies joining a project of mass murder and oppression' 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of telepathy", on T:61413 11:18 this is usually not part of people's conscious self image and more so comes out during times of higher stress than anticipated 11:18 <@oatmeal> well i mean 11:18 <@oatmeal> if someone has the gamer moment at least they just curse to themselves 11:18 <@oatmeal> instead of being obnboxious on voice chat 11:18 or millions of streamers 11:19 stream viewer's* 11:19 <@oatmeal> i wasnt talking about streamers tbh 11:19 <@oatmeal> but that has its own issue isnt it 11:19 <@oatmeal> parasocial relationships 11:19 i did not receive this impression 11:19 interesting 11:20 https://twitter.com/jameshohmann/status/1374304477004623874 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class R), on T:61598 11:23 <@oatmeal> anyway 11:24 <@oatmeal> i hope the roguelike/roguelite community will forever be free of that impression, but it probably wont be so prepare 11:24 I haven't met toxic people in the roguelike community yet 11:24 <@Rehord> What was meant back there with the incredibly loaded statement of 'if someone is racist theyre ok with genocide' 11:24 tbh the only roguelikes I have played are DCSS, NetHack (and variants) and ADOM 11:25 <@Rehord> Dcss players only curse at the devs 11:25 <@oatmeal> Only roguelikes I heavily invested into were vanilla NetHack, IVAN, and Brogue 11:25 yay home fry + break fast tea is arrive 11:26 <@Rehord> Ew ivan 11:26 rehord lol 11:26 only roguelikes I have played are nethack and variants of nethack :) 11:26 <@Rehord> I only play cogmind ๐Ÿ˜Ž 11:26 how is loaded statement your issue there 11:26 <@Rehord> It isn't 11:26 danger will robinsons 11:27 <@Rehord> It's the assumption that those topics somehow connect 11:27 <@oatmeal> for 'roguelites' though 11:27 did you just assume my beliefs about genocide 11:27 <@oatmeal> i mean i played noita and didnt exactly like the people who played noita 11:27 cogmind gets mentioned a lot, I should maybe try it 11:27 <@oatmeal> not sure why 11:27 <@Rehord> Ah, it's ironic 11:27 but I think maybe DCSS first 11:27 is the funny rehord 11:27 <@Rehord> Understandable 11:27 <@Rehord> NO NOT DCSS 11:28 haha why not 11:28 <@oatmeal> ive never played dcss 11:28 -!- tonttu3 has joined #hardfought 11:28 <@Rehord> dont do it 11:28 do not expect such objection to be respected, is your right to believe however 11:28 <@Rehord> But fr, go play it 11:28 <@Rehord> Devs are turning it upside down rn 11:28 <@Rehord> Very fun 11:28 recommend reading about trials in nurem berg 11:28 <@Rehord> Until they remove the fun 11:29 <@oatmeal> ivan > cogmind tbh ngl 11:29 or free online book, The Nazi Doctors 11:29 <@Rehord> I was about to be humorous but it'd be perhaps too risque 11:30 perhaps 11:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2616 11:30 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:30 <@oatmeal> tbh people who are racist are more like to also be sexist/homophobic/etc and are more likely to be supportive of genocide of people in those categories than those who aren't 11:30 <@Rehord> Another thing i think is strange; why do people think all germans were fullblown antisemitic? 11:31 <@oatmeal> i think that's pretty easy to get 11:31 lol rehord 11:31 straw man defending hitler detected 11:31 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1486 11:32 there is a good video for this 11:32 <@Rehord> I literally talked about the exact assumption youre making 11:32 <@Rehord> Amazing 11:32 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:32 did you just assume my support for genocide 11:32 <@oatmeal> im very confused tbh 11:33 rehord is using some very old and stinky straw mans 11:33 recommend the ignore 11:33 confusion is intentional 11:33 <@Rehord> Enlighten me in what blunders i'm committing 11:33 no thanks 11:34 <@Rehord> >nazi strawman >refuses to elaborate further 11:34 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 11:34 <@Rehord> Thats ad hominem at this point 11:34 oh no! 11:34 this is history's greatest crime 11:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1678 points, T:2230, killed by a wounded soldier ant 11:35 go team a! 11:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased rustproof fireproof +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:3 11:36 oatmeal, is very old sympathizer tactic of discussing bizarre non sequiturs *around* the topic instead of directly addressing a topic where one's views are horrifying 11:37 <@princessSpicycat> you have to enlighten him, or he'll refuse to go away 11:37 they like to memorize the official fallacy's and accuse anyone who is uninterested in their nonsense of doing those fallacy's, in the hope that person will waste much energy defending themself against someone whose opinion does not matter and is gross 11:38 he won't go away but i can choose not to invite him into my life since this stuff was defninitively answered c. 1948 11:38 someone being wrong on the intenret is not in itself important unless such individual is a senator 11:38 -!- ThaEwat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:39 and htis perosn does not offer anything i want in my life 11:39 i also generally do not like people who treat your personal relaxing chat time as if a seminar they have paid for 11:39 or a debate meet 11:40 <@Rehord> And i'm the one being fallacious. Heh. 11:41 did you just assume my fallacy 11:41 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/823944522404855808/unknown.png 11:41 this chat is a lot less relaxing after it became much less nethack based 11:41 agree! 11:41 apologies for my role in this 11:41 I know #hardfought is lax about off topic discussion but do we really need hours upon days of non nethack chat 11:42 <@oatmeal> yes 11:42 sorta seems like one guy in here is spamming it hard trying to force OT discussions about mass murder and other terrible things 11:43 <@oatmeal> me? 11:43 haha 11:43 <@oatmeal> im sorry if thats the case 11:43 thanks aosdict 11:43 no 11:43 it's been 2 days of heavy conversations 11:43 let's instead shitpost about nethack 11:43 <@oatmeal> alright 11:43 <@oatmeal> ive never played a nethack variant before 11:43 play slex /s 11:44 slex good /s 11:44 play x [srs] 11:44 <@Rehord> Play slex 11:44 <@Rehord> Very !!!fun!!! 11:44 <@Rehord> And fleecy too 11:44 there's some amazing nethack variants 11:44 my personal favourite so far is dnh 11:45 though I think I might have played more slex... 11:45 you should definitely take part in junethack if you haven't before! 11:46 i beilefe nethack should allow you to beat up sartre 11:46 but not kill him 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 34403 points, T:15206, killed by an elder minotaur 11:46 rip 11:47 <@oatmeal> just remove gehennom from the game and put the amulet on d26 and make the wizard more of a nusiance 11:47 <@oatmeal> there thats my variant idea 11:47 <@Rehord> Nethack needs Jung instead of the oracle 11:47 Is interesting 11:47 you might like brevishack 11:47 <@Rehord> Then you have therapy instead 11:48 it's really short and sweet 11:48 https://clickhole.com/heartbreaking-the-worst-person-you-know-just-made-a-gr-1825121606/ 11:49 <@oatmeal> amateurhour: sure why not, gehennom was always a slog for me and tbh i considered any game where i got to gehennom ascension because i hated that part of the game 11:49 <@oatmeal> and its not like the rest of vanilla is harder 11:49 <@oatmeal> just tedious 11:50 did u no gehennom is a reference to jewish hell 11:51 even the most evil Jews only go there for 7 years at a time, very brief compared to christian hell but definitely thematic nethack levels int hat sense 11:51 <@oatmeal> christian hell is creepy as hell 11:52 i belive that is the objective :D 11:52 <@oatmeal> i remembe reading a passage described it as like insects writhing in there 11:52 <@oatmeal> pure darkness and fire and brimstone obviously 11:53 Surely all the fire and brimstone gives off some illumination? 11:53 <@oatmeal> apparently it doesn;t 11:53 <@Rehord> Do we get fire resistance when we go down 11:53 <@oatmeal> its just the sensation and smell 11:54 <@Rehord> Fun fact early gehennom toasted you if you went down without rfire 11:54 <@oatmeal> wasn't there a spellbook of genocide in early version of NetHack 11:54 <@oatmeal> seemed OP as fuk 11:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] nekkid (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Minetown, on T:1949 11:54 <@Rehord> I liked the guilt idea some shows pitch 11:55 <@Shadow_Rider> That could backfire tho 11:55 Well, genociding everything doesn't work out as nicely as you might expect 11:55 <@Shadow_Rider> Archon storm 11:55 <@Rehord> You just relive it down there 11:55 brimstone isn't light emitting 11:55 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 11:55 <@Rehord> Good ole archon storm 11:55 <@Rehord> Very fun 11:55 there are probably creepy phosphors though 11:55 <@oatmeal> you can make the archons extinct though right 11:55 <@Rehord> No 11:55 <@oatmeal> i swear you could 11:56 <@oatmeal> not genocided 11:56 -!- fulubious has joined #hardfought 11:56 archon storms no longer happen in 3.7 11:56 aosdict: It tends to be molten in these scenarios 11:56 <@Rehord> Aww 11:56 <@oatmeal> ah so you can make them extinct 11:56 <@oatmeal> just got to kill 120 of them 11:57 <@oatmeal> like for everyone of those monster lol 11:57 <@Rehord> We need archlichens in vanilla for people that genocide everything 11:57 @le?archlichen 11:57 archlichen ~1~ arch-lichen (F) | Lvl: 107 | Diff: 75 | Spd: 1 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate shock poison acid petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 100 | Generates: special | AC: -78 | Attacks: 9d5 cast spell, 9d5 touch Pestilence, 9d5 touch physical, 9d5 touch Famine, 9d5 touch Death, 9d5 touch disenchant | Alignment: 0 | Flags: flies, amphibious, breathless, mindless, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, vegan 11:57 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:58 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:59 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 11:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 12:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided arch-liches, on T:35608 12:03 <@iatrocrat> got some tilapia 12:03 <@Computer Man> Hell yeah 12:03 <@Computer Man> Cooked in what way 12:03 <@iatrocrat> wait 12:03 <@iatrocrat> grilled 12:03 <@iatrocrat> why isnt there a fishing rod in this game 12:03 r u a doctor 12:04 <@iatrocrat> no 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2486 12:04 <@Computer Man> I am 12:04 <@Computer Man> The doctor is in 12:04 u just belive they should rule? 12:04 as philosopher-kings 12:05 <@iatrocrat> doctors? 12:05 yar 12:05 <@iatrocrat> uh, probably not 12:05 <@Computer Man> Nah 12:05 <@Computer Man> Docs are docs 12:05 I for one welcome our new "take two squiggle" overlords 12:05 then i am confuse 12:05 Alwasy Take Two Squiggel 12:06 <@Computer Man> Most don't study a buncha other topics 12:06 <@Computer Man> E.g. 'covid kit' being prescribed 12:06 oh i know 12:06 <@Computer Man> I, for one, am an intellectual ๐Ÿง 12:07 for years i would ask specialists for help on stuff and theyd be like "Well we didnt have to study trans medicine in med school so" 12:07 that or autism or both connecty 12:07 <@Computer Man> I mean, a general physician wont know jack about psychiatry or surgery 12:08 sigh 12:08 -!- fulubious has quit [Quit: fulubious] 12:08 <@Computer Man> That's why they specialize lole 12:08 being autistic and trans and having health care needs does not make me ignorant of how going to the doctor works, i am not the one using my inadequate education as an excuse not to help someone i am legally obligated to help 12:09 <@Computer Man> I do not understand your rant 12:09 <@iatrocrat> ^ 12:09 is there a way to ignore someone thru rld 12:09 <@Computer Man> No 12:09 <@Computer Man> Youll suffer lmao 12:09 <@iatrocrat> i dont think those things make you ignorant of how healthcare works 12:10 Likewise, and you may not care, but I'm going to block CNT-FAI the next time you produce one of these non-sequitur tirades 12:10 yes it is all my fault 12:10 yeah @iatrocat ty they very much do not and moreso the opposite lol 12:10 though this whole thing is OT tbf 12:11 CNT-FAI: I've observed that you seem to be perceiving quite a lot of things as personal slights, and then they turn into a whole thing 12:12 I doubt anyone is intentionally slighting you 12:12 you are free to think this 12:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 29387 points, T:7288, killed by an orc 12:12 <@iatrocrat> id log onto irc but my dad tracks what i do on this computer in regards to connections 12:12 <@Computer Man> I welcome unintentionally slighting him 12:12 <@iatrocrat> so unfortunatley i cant ๐Ÿ˜ฆ 12:12 her 12:13 <@Computer Man> I dont know how to get into irc, terribly sad 12:13 <@Micbran> probably a good thing in this case 12:13 <@Micbran> ๐Ÿ™‚ 12:13 actually aosdict i said that about myself and apologized yesterday so idk why you feel the need to share that observation 12:13 <@Computer Man> lole 12:14 i think its reasonable to be suspicious of anyone who misgenders someone and doesn't notice or apologize when corrected though imho 12:14 I don't pay attention to 100% of everything said in this channel. there is a lot of content 12:14 yeah most of this should be in one of the OT channels 12:15 or in my view not be said at all 12:15 <@princessSpicycat> what if we all stop talking for 15 minutes 12:15 i dont think thats necessary, just more nethacky 12:15 <@princessSpicycat> i'll make hummus 12:15 also if we just shut up generally we may be more tempted to talk OT in 15m 12:15 <@princessSpicycat> no, nethack doesn't work, y'all used it to poke at each other ๐Ÿ˜› 12:16 hacking is illegal 12:16 <@iatrocrat> netcrack 12:17 alrighty it be bzflag time 12:17 <@Joanna> Speaking of netcrack if you speedrun the game Gehennom takes less time and becomez interesting/challenging again bc you can actually choke post castle or crash and burn on ascension run 12:17 <@Computer Man> I wish there were binders in vanilla 12:17 <@Computer Man> Theyre so cool 12:17 <@Joanna> This removes the effect of game considered won at half way point 12:17 <@iatrocrat> id speedrun the game if yknow 12:18 <@iatrocrat> green slimes didnt exist 12:18 <@Joanna> Green slimes are easy to avoid 12:18 <@Joanna> They are slow 12:18 <@Computer Man> But dnh is a big can of worms to unpack that comes with binder 12:18 <@Joanna> You can also zap fire at self 12:18 <@Joanna> Rarely been issue for me on a speedrun 12:18 <@iatrocrat> i mean yeah but ur speedrunning 12:18 <@iatrocrat> idk i dont exactly pay attention that well lol 12:18 yeah there is absolutely no straightforward way to "add binder to vanilla" 12:18 <@Joanna> Also i think they are genocidable 12:19 without porting half of dnh 12:19 <@Joanna> Oh but that is also perfect 12:19 <@Joanna> The key to speedrunning is not paying attention 12:19 <@Joanna> Just ask Adeon 12:19 <{Demo}3> aosdict, that's not true 12:19 <{Demo}3> binder was one of the first additions to dnh 12:19 <@Joanna> Paying attention takes time 12:19 <{Demo}3> so like, just play that version of dnh 12:19 <@Joanna> Bc u have to think 12:20 <{Demo}3> and pretend it is vanilla 343 + binder + whatever other small changes there may have been 12:20 <{Demo}3> (big changes probably) 12:20 <{Demo}3> not very clean at all, ok fine, i concede 12:20 <@Computer Man> lmao 12:20 <@Computer Man> Gonna play binder irl 12:20 <@Computer Man> Brb bros 12:21 <{Demo}3> i think alignment quest earliest editions existed with that release 12:21 <@Joanna> The actual hard bit about speedrunning is learning to stop worrying about splat and love the bomb. I mean smashing kbd and Bein asked dywypi 12:21 <@Computer Man> If i dont come back my soul was eaten 12:22 <@Computer Man> Why is phone typing so onerous 12:22 <@Joanna> Bc fewer fingers typically used 12:22 <@Joanna> It's fairly obvious why kbd more efficient 12:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] ezion (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1513 12:23 <@iatrocrat> for real 12:23 <@Computer Man> Now that discord added stickers the app even lags when i start typing 12:23 <@iatrocrat> any of you wanna start playing ivan or omega 12:23 <@Computer Man> Its extremely enraging 12:24 <@iatrocrat> discord has stickers? 12:24 <@Computer Man> Yes 12:24 <@Computer Man> Paid ones 12:24 <@Computer Man> So it doesnt unless youre dumb enough for it 12:24 <@iatrocrat> whos gonna buy that shit tbh 12:24 <@Computer Man> Right? 12:25 <@Joanna> Ppl do tho 12:25 <@Joanna> I know some of them haha 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 295 points, T:655, killed by an uninjured little dog 12:25 <@iatrocrat> better purchawse than buying a door in the woods tbh 12:25 <@Joanna> Lol 12:25 <@iatrocrat> seriously i mean that game was really disappointing 12:26 <@Joanna> Which 12:26 <@iatrocrat> door in the woods 12:26 <@Joanna> Oh lol I assumed that was a joke 12:26 -!- ThaEwat has joined #hardfought 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 66 points, T:242, killed by an uninjured small mimic 12:27 <@Joanna> Like buying an actual door in woods would indeed be dumber than buying extra discord stickers for enhanced shitposting 12:27 <@iatrocrat> its an 'open world' roguelike with less stuff to do than your average 7drl 12:27 <@iatrocrat> that costs $10 12:28 <@Joanna> Dang 12:28 <@iatrocrat> 0 replayability 12:28 <@Joanna> So about as dumb as buying a literal door in woods 12:28 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 12:28 <@iatrocrat> yeah 12:28 <@Joanna> Apt name at least 12:28 <@Computer Man> why would a door in the woods be bad 12:28 <@Joanna> Props to that 12:28 <@iatrocrat> at least you can unhinge the door 12:28 i should make an 'asset flip' roguelike but I pay $0 for assets because the only assets are ascii characters 12:28 <@Computer Man> a mosquito just ate my legs 12:28 <@Computer Man> fuuuuuuuck 12:28 <@Computer Man> it's so itchy 12:29 Isn't d just a backwards b anyway. 12:29 <@iatrocrat> You feel you have been afflicted with malaria. 12:29 this confuses me amateurhour 12:29 <@Joanna> Rehord it sorta implies, to me at least, that we're talking literally just a door on its own, somewhere out in the woods 12:29 <@Joanna> A nonuseful one that seperates nowhere in particular 12:30 <@Joanna> From nowhere else 12:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:35183 12:30 <@iatrocrat> i was talking about the game lol 12:31 <@Joanna> Which would be a dumb thing to buy, unless you were missing a door someplace else for an empty door way 12:31 <@iatrocrat> not a literal door in the woods 12:31 <@Joanna> Yh i know 12:31 <@iatrocrat> that actually gives me an idea 12:31 <@Joanna> But i think rehord wasn't asking about that 12:31 <@iatrocrat> rl idea: You're a kid in the woods and you open a door 12:31 <@iatrocrat> to a weird dimension where nothing makes sense 12:32 <@Joanna> Isn't that called Dark 12:32 is this not also uhhhh 12:32 that cs lewis series and also 12:32 the one book about geometry for kids 12:32 <@iatrocrat> yeah but copyright 12:32 <@Joanna> Hah yeh 12:32 he meets a dodecasomething 12:33 <@Computer Man> isnt that like narnia 12:33 <@Computer Man> book about geometry, it devolves into a lovecraft story with non-euclidean constructs 12:33 <@iatrocrat> yeah but narnia isn't in the public domain 12:34 <@Computer Man> i want a jelly tesseract 12:35 <@Joanna> Ian Irvine Geomancer series has thingies, tesseracts 12:36 am thinking of different book, math teacher gave me it 12:36 <@Joanna> And constructs and teh ruthless Charon from teh void 12:38 am begin to play the diablo ultimate evil sin edition or some such thing for xb1 12:39 <@Joanna> Does it have interdimensional warfare 12:39 Very much so, according to theese patch notes 12:39 <@Joanna> Sweet 12:39 <@Joanna> Or well 12:39 -!- tonttu3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39 Sweet Orwell 12:39 <@Joanna> Probably quite harrowing for ingame dzens 12:40 <@Joanna> Aye, sweet Orwell 12:41 Sweet Orwell is the one in another dimension-timeline whoms did not snitch out communists to the british govt 12:42 <@Joanna> Haha 12:44 <@Computer Man> no i mean an actual jelly tesseract to eat 12:48 <@Joanna> Why would you eat it when you can enslave the Aachim n Faellem with the power of the tesseract 12:48 <@Joanna> Smh my head 12:48 <@Computer Man> also Paranoia>nethack 12:48 <@Computer Man> change my mind 12:49 <@Joanna> Only you can change your mind 12:49 <@iatrocrat> ivan > all 12:49 <@Joanna> No one else will do it for you 12:49 <@Computer Man> therefore paranoia>nethack 12:49 <@Computer Man> get btfo'd nethackers 12:49 gottem 12:50 <@Joanna> Wow. He is very advanced 12:50 <@Joanna> We could never have won anyway 12:51 !rng splicehack | slex 12:51 amateurhour: slex 12:51 it is the will of rngesus 12:51 <@Joanna> What means btfo'd tho 12:51 [standup from past voice] I just got the vaccine and boy are my arm tired 12:51 <@iatrocrat> amateurhour: for real though is all you've played nhack and variants? 12:52 <@Joanna> cntfai LMAO 12:52 blown the fuck out or back(ed) the fuck off aoei 12:52 for real 12:52 <@Computer Man> from blown out of the water 12:52 <@iatrocrat> amateurhour: that's sad 12:52 <@Computer Man> i'm being ironic 12:52 hey I've played other vidya just not other roguelikes 12:52 <@Computer Man> can't you see the humour 12:52 <@Joanna> amateurhour I found adom fun for a while 12:53 <@Joanna> Old adom tho 12:53 i think I tried angband for like 30 mins 12:53 <@Joanna> Not this new shite 12:53 <@Computer Man> imagine playing uadom 12:53 <@iatrocrat> i won't play adom simply because no vi keys 12:53 <@Computer Man> >grafting 12:53 <@Joanna> Sil-Q is pog 12:53 <@Computer Man> ew vi keys 12:53 <@Computer Man> i dont play tggw because it only has vi keys 12:53 found a dagger called like natharc or something that was pretty good and then died and was like 'meh back to nethack' 12:53 <@iatrocrat> i don't have a numpad 12:53 <@Computer Man> rip 12:54 <@Joanna> iatrocrat i thought original adom had vikey option 12:54 imagine using the numberpad 12:54 number pad good 12:54 <@iatrocrat> aeoi: it never did have one 12:54 <@Computer Man> i play numpad but with the numbers on top of the keys 12:54 <@Joanna> What really 12:54 <@iatrocrat> aeoi: and if you alter the keys in the edit file it won't fucking work 12:54 <@Computer Man> get on my level 12:54 <@iatrocrat> aeoi: its broken 12:54 <@iatrocrat> IDK how 12:54 <@Computer Man> yeah we know it's good 12:55 that's the truly elite way to play 12:55 <@Computer Man> moving diagonally and stuff 12:55 <@Joanna> Can't believe I played pinklike w/o vikeys 12:55 <@Computer Man> game-breaking 12:55 <@iatrocrat> its broken because 12:55 <@Computer Man> its not broken 12:55 <@Computer Man> its balanced 12:55 <@iatrocrat> the devs didnt fix the fact that you can't do anything but MOVE diagonally 12:55 <@Joanna> Dgmw i believe u iatrocrat 12:55 <@Computer Man> LMAO 12:55 <@Computer Man> :lularcher: 12:55 <@iatrocrat> you cant direct any other action with vikeys 12:55 <@Computer Man> hilarious 12:56 <@iatrocrat> you still have to do everything other than moving with the numpad 12:56 <@Joanna> Just find it odd that I even tolerated a numpad only pinklike 12:56 <@Computer Man> aoei is your pfp you 12:56 they had to give numpad extra abilities because superior players all use vikeys :^) 12:56 <@Computer Man> also what is pinklike 12:56 <@deathsushi> VIkeys are what's up 12:56 rougelike 12:56 <@Joanna> Wdym pfp computer man 12:56 <@Eternal Guardian> It's spelled roguelike. 12:57 thanks eternal guardian, very cool 12:57 <@Computer Man> get outta here! go kick with shift+d! 12:57 <@Computer Man> that'll getcha 12:57 kick should be k, is ordered universe from make sense 12:57 <@Computer Man> profile digitally shown image 12:57 <@iatrocrat> idk ADOM configuration file is just shit 12:57 <@Computer Man> yes 12:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed the Platinum Dragon, on T:36760 12:57 <@iatrocrat> dont even touch it 12:57 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:57 <@deathsushi> CNT-FAI I wonder if that's a hold over from booting people off servers? 12:57 <@Joanna> Yes it's me why do you ask 12:58 <@Computer Man> curiosity 12:58 hm 12:58 <@deathsushi> ctrl-d to drop carrier, so then that became kick in nh 12:58 <@Computer Man> vikeys uses k for movement 12:58 was that how you kicked ppl in 1988 12:58 <@Computer Man> vikeys more like vyikes 12:58 <@deathsushi> Might well have been 12:58 <@Computer Man> amirite? 12:58 <@Joanna> Why would I put someone else's photo lol 12:58 the diablo is good but i change to puyo puyo tetris 2 bc moods 12:58 <@Computer Man> well i have the computer man for starters 12:58 there is a photo? i would like to see it 12:58 \ 12:59 my controller also says slash enter 12:59 <@Joanna> Yeh but that's obviously still te meme thing 12:59 <@Joanna> Some * 12:59 numpad more like numbad 12:59 gottem 12:59 <@Joanna> Mine is just me in rona mask 12:59 <@Computer Man> it's a song 12:59 <@Computer Man> cmon dood 12:59 <@iatrocrat> tbh using your photo on discord isnt a smart idea 12:59 <@Computer Man> yeah lmao 12:59 <@Joanna> I ain't ur doo, gorl 12:59 <@Joanna> Dood* 13:00 <@Computer Man> lol 13:00 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:00 lol 13:00 henlo mr computer man can u fix my 13:00 broken heart 13:00 <@Joanna> Probably depends where you hang out on discord iatrocrat 13:00 ah the ol' switcheroo 13:00 i dont think women need to be lectured on where and when to use photo 13:01 in general but particularly re a gamer discord 13:01 <@Joanna> Also is face with mask 13:01 <@Joanna> Probably not super risky lol 13:01 <@iatrocrat> its not about their gender though 13:01 <@iatrocrat> its more about like, yknow privacy? 13:02 yeah probably why i did not say anything about your intentions 13:02 and instead said the words that i actually said 13:02 <@Computer Man> amateurhour: i can do anything you can 13:02 <@Computer Man> i'm your friend 13:02 <@Computer Man> i'm gonna help you again and again 13:02 <@Computer Man> if you have a question or two i have the answer just for you 13:03 Yeah, I'd think the risk is something she'd already be aware of. 13:03 ^^^^^ 13:03 you'd never give me up? you'd never let me down? 13:03 lol 13:03 <@Computer Man> never gonna lie, and deser you 13:03 <@Computer Man> typo'd 13:03 <@Computer Man> damn it 13:03 <@Computer Man> i ruined the moment 13:03 <@Joanna> Ok umby got it thx 13:03 <@Computer Man> i'm so sorry 13:03 that sort of thing tends to come up a few times in our lives in the world that exists 13:03 don't be sad that it's over 13:03 It's "never gonna tell a lie and hurt you". 13:03 just be happy it happened at all 13:03 Goddamn children. 13:03 <@Computer Man> you were my everything 13:03 * Umbire pushes over his walker. 13:04 <@Computer Man> I EVEN FUCKED UP THE LYRICS 13:04 <@Computer Man> DAMN IT 13:04 dang, worms wmd is not popping up in my x box desk top 13:04 <@Joanna> But um also i actually sometimes like to imagine a nice world where face pics on discord are not dangerous bc people on discord are friends and safe 13:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:29120 13:04 <@Computer Man> good luck finding friendly gamers 13:04 xbox dextop 13:04 <@Computer Man> amirite gamers? 13:05 agree joanna 13:05 <@Computer Man> amateurhour are you still here 13:05 <@Computer Man> i can feel you 13:05 <@Joanna> I have found many friendly gamers /friends thru the game 13:05 <@Joanna> Maybe I have just been lucky 13:05 <@iatrocrat> do you play any multiplayer games 13:05 <@Joanna> In avoiding vast swathes of toxic gamer culture 13:05 <@Computer Man> i bet you'd find many good friends in 4chan 13:06 -!- jannis has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:06 <@Computer Man> everyone is very friendly and cordial 13:06 <@Joanna> Let's not go there rehord 13:06 im not looking forward to revealing my voice to the overwatch community 13:06 <@Joanna> I know all about 4chan. 13:06 :1 13:06 <@Joanna> Have even been on 8kun 13:06 <@Joanna> A harrowing experience 13:06 <@Joanna> It's like 4chan but a lot 13:06 <@Computer Man> its basically either fullblown /pol/ or horny anonimity 13:07 <@Computer Man> thats 4chan in a nutshell 13:07 <@Joanna> I was ok with my voice on nethack stream but nethack people are NICE 13:07 I've never really been into multiplayer games so I don't even try 13:07 Probebly would be called a n00b, but I digress 13:07 streaming is different 13:07 *probably 13:08 <@iatrocrat> yeah don't play multiplayer 13:08 <@Joanna> That's probably also a factor cntfai yea 13:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9597 13:10 <@Joanna> Some of my high school friends would play cod online 13:10 <@Joanna> Occasionally i joined 13:10 <@Joanna> I was not keen on the typical discourse iirc 13:10 thinking of doing some single player overwatch 13:10 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 13:10 <@Joanna> It was not a community I felt drawn to 13:11 <@Joanna> But nor was the game itself 13:11 I'm not really a fan of FPS games 13:11 <@Computer Man> games in general are bad tbh 13:11 <@Joanna> Nah me neither nabru 13:11 Blah blah irony poisoning blah. 13:11 <@Computer Man> the only thing i'm in for is poker night 13:11 <@Computer Man> always a good time 13:11 I'm cool with games but not with gaming culture 13:11 some of the sites on inter net are just plain not good folks 13:12 I find FPS games alright, taste-wise I tend towards the older shit 13:12 <@Joanna> Games in general bad what 13:12 <@Computer Man> hey guys lets make a poker night group 13:12 and in general I'm not too inclined to be sweaty at them. 13:12 <@Joanna> You know poker is a game right 13:12 As opposed to say, any given roguelike, I'll sweat those the fuck up. 13:12 <@iatrocrat> i feel like most of you just dont like multiplayer 13:12 I'm perfectly fine with multiplayer. 13:12 I just really like me some NetHack. 13:13 <@Joanna> iatocrat I don't understand the idea that multiplayer game scenes are worse 13:13 <@Joanna> Should foster cooperation 13:13 <@Joanna> And good communication 13:13 <@Joanna> Right 13:13 <@Joanna> Shared goals 13:13 <@Joanna> Why bad 13:14 <@Joanna> Why not good 13:14 <@Computer Man> yes 13:14 meanwhile I just learned there's YAFM for a tamed dwarf eating stuff 13:14 <@Computer Man> but it is !!!fun!!! 13:14 <@iatrocrat> its bad because the people who play them are bad 13:14 <@Computer Man> mostly yeah 13:14 <@Joanna> Ok why are those ppl bad 13:14 <@Computer Man> games are bad due to the time they suck out of you 13:14 <@Joanna> We must get to the root of this 13:14 <@Computer Man> people there are bad because theyve been there all that time 13:15 <@Joanna> That sounds like hooey computer man 13:15 !PoM 13:15 APic: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 5 days. 13:15 <@Computer Man> what does hooey mean 13:15 <@iatrocrat> well okay you're gonna encounter people who aren't exactly sensitive or care about your experience playing the game 13:15 <@Joanna> Gobbledygook 13:15 <@Joanna> Poppycock 13:15 <@Joanna> Nonsense 13:15 <@iatrocrat> but if you are playing a team based multiplayer game 13:15 <@iatrocrat> you can't just mute them 13:15 <@Computer Man> well you can 13:15 <@iatrocrat> so you have to hear their dumb bullshit 13:15 <@iatrocrat> if you want to compete then its detrimental 13:16 <@Joanna> Cant you just ban from team 13:16 <@iatrocrat> because they will call out for things etc 13:16 <@Computer Man> just teamkill them 13:16 <@Joanna> And get someone nice instead 13:16 <@Computer Man> nah 13:16 <@Computer Man> most games dont let you do those 13:16 <@Joanna> Oh 13:16 <@iatrocrat> not in every game 13:16 <@Computer Man> nostalgia about getting foreigners in csgo 13:16 <@Computer Man> very fun being cursed at in other languages 13:16 the problem IMHO is that multiplayer/team games require you to invest a lot of time and dedication. you cannot just play them at your leisure like a single-player game 13:16 this is essentially the 'heated gamer moment' argument and it sucks 13:17 <@iatrocrat> im not tryuing to justify it 13:17 i meant more so computer man's theory 13:17 <@Joanna> But why is that inherently a problem nabru 13:17 for me it's a problem, not sure about everyone else 13:17 i have met very many people who spend a lot of time playing games and they are definitely not universally racist/harassers/stalky 13:18 <@Joanna> Oh i thought you meant like why there are assholes 13:18 <@iatrocrat> im saying that if you are playing a multiplayer game (especially a competitive team-based multiplayer game) you're gonna have to expect some people to act like that 13:18 so you have to put a lot of time into the game, and if you die/lose, you get frustrated 13:18 nor are such beliefs/actions very much related to the game time itself 13:18 i dont think anyone said otherwise there iatrocrat, nor do i disagree 13:18 <@Joanna> Oh nabru is also heated gamer 13:18 perhaps i missed 13:18 haha 13:18 <@Joanna> I don't buy either 13:18 Just get an air conditioner. :^) 13:18 cooled gamer 13:18 <@Joanna> Lol umby 13:18 <@Joanna> Chill gamer 13:19 <@Joanna> Where all the chill gamers at 13:19 had a roomate+landlord who would get frustrated and throw the controller and scream when he lost or got shot , i did my best to be outwardly non judgmental but i think it says more about the personality and priorities 13:19 <@iatrocrat> to be fair 13:19 he wasnt allowed to play games by himself anymore by the time we met 13:19 <@iatrocrat> my experience with multiplayer games has been pretty shite 13:19 <@Joanna> Wow cntfai 13:19 It's not a question of "do you tilt", and more "how you tilt". 13:20 <@Joanna> Right what Umbire said 13:20 <@iatrocrat> i tilt pretty silently tbh 13:20 yeah that definitely made me suspicous of him and then later i pretty much knew he was bad, 13:20 <@Joanna> Is also question of how why toxic tilt normalisation in some gamer cultures 13:20 because his answer to the problem of a neighbor/tenant having a loud bird was to go over and yell the gamer word at her 13:20 There's healthy means of expressing anger or venting it without going full Yosemite sam. 13:20 ...or doing *that*. 13:20 <@Joanna> Yeah 13:21 Fuckin' hell, probably can't trust him around animals either. 13:21 yeah it expresses a lack of empathy for others' experience, in a situation where peopel have entered it to have fun or relax or exercise 13:21 thankfully umb 13:21 he was a veterinary tech 13:21 which was how i met him, coworker of my gf 13:21 Oh wonderful. 13:21 oh i have a good one about this guy and animals 13:21 by the way he lieks them very much and AFAIK is only kind to them, but 13:21 <@Computer Man> Nabru: i think said commitment is bad because it is usually done in detriment of something else 13:21 <@Joanna> I think normalisation and excuses made for certain toxic behaviors in a subculture is by itself just a thing that can crop up and then self-perpetuate 13:21 ^^ 13:22 one day he comes home and says, out of nowhere, "hey [deadname] whats up i hope you like cats" 13:22 "But" about to be doing a lot of work here. 13:22 haha 13:22 so i was like yeah i like cats 13:22 <@Computer Man> Internet went to shit wooo 13:22 <@Joanna> Um wow cntfai 13:22 and he syas cool because meet the cat with FIV from my work, hes gonna live in my room 13:22 <@Joanna> That's wild and also awful 13:22 haha yeah 13:23 so far im rolling wiht it because this has been the most energetic and fun way i have been introduced to a cat in my life 13:23 the cat is nice 13:23 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 13:23 <@Computer Man> 'Bro you like cats' "Yeah" 'Meow' 13:23 <@Joanna> Feels like more bad coming 13:23 lol 13:23 * Umbire checks watch. 13:23 so this state of affairs continues until he says he lost the cat and he goes and drives all over the neighborhood looking 13:24 Oh lord. 13:24 <@Computer Man> I'm extremely paranoid about where my cats are at all times 13:24 is not a super high traffic area and not a coyote area so this is not ultra alarming yet 13:24 other than you know, FIV 13:24 FIV being... 13:24 <@Computer Man> Has paid off on multiple occasions 13:24 like HIV 13:24 Meant to ask that. 13:24 OH. 13:24 Oh sweet shit. 13:24 yeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 13:24 so 13:24 <@Computer Man> Feline immunodeficiency virus 13:25 like days/weeks later he yells out OH SHIT [deadname] I FOUND THE CAT 13:25 cat had snuck under his bed and was living there and he didnt notice by, like, the smell 13:25 bc he's just kinda like that 13:25 <@Computer Man> Amazing. 13:25 <@Shadow_Rider> Lmfao what a story 13:25 lil scruffy guy was fine in the end 13:26 and did not start an epidemic 13:26 <@Computer Man> Its like throwing food under the bed and getting fungus to grow 13:26 even for a landlord, pretty gross 13:27 ( '-') 13:28 Well at least the cat was fuckin' safe. 13:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:28 ya 13:28 thankfully was very well&attentively fed going into it 13:28 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:29 <@Computer Man> it is in for a bad time with fiv though 13:29 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 13:29 this was like 2006 13:29 cat probably in better place 13:29 With its own personalized lil' catbox, I hope. 13:30 id say so, was a nice cat 13:30 maybe a little too nice epidemiologically speaking 13:31 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:31 <@Computer Man> guys this was a bit offtopic, we gotta talk like, nethack and stuff 13:31 true 13:31 <@Computer Man> like, i mean, that's what the channel is here for, man 13:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed Oona, on T:38128 13:31 <@Computer Man> like, we gotta follow the rules and stuff 13:31 <@luxidream> Hardfought encourages off topic 13:32 <@luxidream> Carry on 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2203 points, T:2874, killed by a wounded soldier ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:32 <@Computer Man> yes i'm being humorous 13:32 <@Computer Man> also hi luxi 13:32 * CNT-FAI presses X to doubt 13:32 * Umbire bops X also 13:32 Go team a. 13:32 Anyway hi Luxi, probably gonna step outside in a half-hour. 13:32 <@Computer Man> yeah, but like, do you ever see anyone that talk like this and stuff 13:32 team a makes me think of the Ball Fondlers 13:32 Yes. 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:2146 13:33 CNT-FAI: lmfao what 13:33 <@Computer Man> lmao 13:33 Ball Fondlers 13:33 luxidream lol normally yes, a few peopel have actually been like WOW so much offtopic even for hardfought lately 13:33 <@Computer Man> that's how i call jugglers 13:33 the interdimensional cable (rick & morty) answer to the A Team 13:33 <@Computer Man> with their ups and downers 13:33 Ohhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh. 13:33 <@Computer Man> ew rick and morty 13:33 i think its fun and interesting but i am a NEET with nothing beter to do with my life than be on discord/irc all day 13:33 true 13:33 and some are also wondering where all the new ppl come from lately 13:33 haha same aoei 13:33 ...I actually can't remember the last time I bothered watching it, tbh. 13:34 <@Computer Man> have you tried r9k? 13:34 most recent are a bit better 13:34 <@Computer Man> wish i could bridge a pepe to you for extra irony 13:34 This joke wasn't funny the first time. 13:34 not that that is a bad thing or anything 13:34 Also I have a few social groups actually but you know, pandemic, online, all that shit. 13:34 jsut theres like a long time stable community here and influx of new people isn't super common i guess 13:34 aoei: Eh, I'm in E and within reason it's OK, it's read this or do boring work 13:34 Still, walk over to the pavilion is nice. 13:35 Pinkbeast: lol fair enough 13:35 according to my calculations, i miss when places were a thing 13:35 <@iatrocrat> r9k is shit 13:35 And I actually like most of yas besides that. 13:35 <@Computer Man> so what? i'll keep making it, try and stop me >:c 13:35 <@iatrocrat> i hated it 13:35 <@iatrocrat> always 13:35 Pinkbeast: i hope to be in E soon beacuse im a bit tired of being a NEET 13:35 <@Computer Man> 4chan in general is shit 13:35 yay for learnings 13:35 <@iatrocrat> exactlyt 13:35 What is this E 13:35 <@Computer Man> funny how games attract different groups 13:36 Are you planning to convert humanity into elementals 13:36 Umbire: well NEET is not in employment, education or training 13:36 which you obviously knew 13:36 <@Computer Man> roguelikes have actually decent people 13:36 and im beiing dumb 13:36 <@Computer Man> with the occasional nutjob 13:36 No, you're not actually. 13:36 in my case E would be employmen thopefully 13:36 <@Computer Man> fighting games have madmen who only game 13:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] nekkid (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5345 13:36 Umbire: o ok fair lol 13:36 I just straight up didn't make the connection immediately. 13:36 6_9 13:36 ahh ok 13:36 <@Computer Man> le funny number 13:36 <@Computer Man> lmayo 13:36 i believe Pinkbeast is current in Employment 13:36 <@iatrocrat> its sad that the people who would be best suited for games that need cooperation 13:36 <@iatrocrat> play games like this 13:37 <@iatrocrat> oh well 13:37 Sad how. 13:37 It's a more conducive environment for 'em, ain't it. 13:37 Umbire: sunk value fallacy i think 13:37 <@Shadow_Rider> You guys donโ€™t play other games? 13:37 <@Computer Man> no 13:37 <@iatrocrat> play dota 2 and you will see how 13:37 I do. 13:37 actually we cooperate with each other plenty 13:37 <@iatrocrat> nice 13:37 I just really like NetHack, as stated previously. 13:37 evne tho gameplay itself is singleplayer 13:37 <@iatrocrat> so do you see how 13:37 <@Computer Man> play dota and get called very pleasant names 13:37 <@iatrocrat> theres nothing wrong with nethack 13:38 i get your point iatrocrat but still see it as sunk value fallacy 13:38 <@Computer Man> there is 13:38 <@Computer Man> its nethack 13:38 as if talent is being wasted 13:38 I thought it was sunk cost. 13:38 where it could be put to better use elsewhere 13:38 <@Computer Man> sunk ship fallacy 13:38 Umbire: slightly different nuance in the way i'd interpret sunk cost 13:38 <@Computer Man> why float when the titanic is going down 13:38 <@Shadow_Rider> I wonder if there are cool ways to make nethack multiplayer 13:38 I can't rightfully presume people who hang here don't also try other kinds of games elsewhere. 13:38 sunk cost is olike you put investment into specific thing 13:38 now you have to finish it 13:38 Rider, closest we've got is setseed. 13:38 or you lose your investment 13:38 <@iatrocrat> meh 13:38 Because racing fun. 13:38 yeah ppl have been very co-op with my xnh runs 13:38 sometimes the optimum is to accept the sunk cost 13:38 is good thing 13:39 <@Shadow_Rider> Have you guys tried relays? 13:39 Nup 13:39 <@Shadow_Rider> I heard the idea somewhere 13:39 <@Computer Man> oh man 13:39 um i think we dicsussed that at some point Shadow 13:39 There was a previous attempt at co-op/multiplayer NetHack 13:39 as a possibility 13:39 <@Computer Man> racing in single player games is cool as fuck 13:39 <@Computer Man> racing in single player games is cool as fuck 13:39 It did not work out. 13:39 <@Shadow_Rider> Oh lol 13:39 Computer Man yes we know 13:39 we do it on stream sometimes 13:39 i have raced nethack on stream 13:39 unfortunetly my religion forbids replaysd 13:39 <@iatrocrat> how would you even play nethack multiplayer 13:39 <@iatrocrat> like do you have to wait for the other person to take their turn 13:39 <@Computer Man> multiplayer nethack but at astral it becomes a duel and whoever kills the other can ascend 13:39 Sounds like "how would you run Doom on this" 13:40 SMOP 13:40 <@Shadow_Rider> iatrocrat: probably would hard to do cooperative 13:40 iatrocrat yeah i think the concept soujnded cool but never really panned out 13:40 I mean, it actually worked to a point 13:40 I think ais was involved in development? 13:40 <@Computer Man> what does that mean cnt 13:40 Umbire: i do believe you are correct 13:40 I legitimately can't remember, I just know for sure that it was a thing 13:40 ais worked on it for acehack and/or nethack4 13:40 and that once it reached A Point there was just no way to reconcile it falling to pieces 13:41 id ont think it was ever in a playable state 13:41 but i am unsure how it worked 13:41 or how it was intended to work 13:41 In gennyral though, live-blogging your runs is usually guaranteed to get at least one person interested in your character's well-being 13:41 like me! 13:41 <@iatrocrat> aeoi: it sounds like it would suck tbh 13:41 multiplayer turn based works when turns take a long time 13:41 turns in nethack do not take a long time 13:41 in real life 13:41 <@Computer Man> get people to care about your character and quit 13:41 <@iatrocrat> imagine nethack as a real time game 13:41 <@Computer Man> break their heart 13:42 <@Computer Man> thats like peak nethacking 13:42 no one took le bait 13:42 <@Shadow_Rider> Nethack mmorpg??? 13:42 <@Computer Man> oh em gee 13:42 Mangband got it to semi-work but there's a lot more tabbing away in Angband. 13:42 is diablo 13:42 <@Computer Man> nethack microtransactions 13:42 and just ripping out the turn counter 13:42 <@Computer Man> oy cnt what was the bait 13:42 and making nethack somehow a realtime game (like diablo ii i guess) 13:42 idk 13:42 i dont see it 13:42 <@iatrocrat> yeah pay $10 for magicbane 13:42 lol 13:42 Yeah, you're basically just kinda playing Diablo at that point, I'd imagine. 13:42 <@Computer Man> make nethack necrodancer 13:42 LOL i thin kthat's later diabhlo games iatrocrat 13:43 but funny point 13:43 <@Computer Man> rhythm based 13:43 <@Computer Man> but it's disco 13:43 [13:39:41] unfortunetly my religion forbids replays 13:43 <@Computer Man> yes 13:43 CNT-FAI: yea i still dont get the joke 13:43 lol 13:43 <@Computer Man> whats the punchline 13:43 <@iatrocrat> ive never played diablo 13:43 nobody has correctly bitten the bait yet i guess 13:43 i didnt say it was funy 13:43 <@iatrocrat> actually 13:43 <@iatrocrat> now i wanna 13:44 <@Computer Man> its like the airplane food joke 13:44 i like diablo ii 13:44 Likewise. 13:44 i havent played the other ones much 13:44 <@Computer Man> just go 'what's the deal with airline food?' 13:44 <@Computer Man> and dont say anything else 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1479 points, T:2936, killed by uninjured invisible Juiblex 13:44 <@luxidream> So I saw someone playing a multiworld randomizer for super metroid 13:44 I haven't played any of t--- 13:44 <@Computer Man> wait for laughter 13:44 Whoa, what the hell. 13:44 <@luxidream> I think that would work for nethack 13:44 Umbire: lmao 13:44 I'm guessing water demon gated him in. 13:44 <@Shadow_Rider> Sad 13:44 -!- Septieme has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 13:44 <@Computer Man> tggw sux 13:44 Umbire: we are similar age and Diablo II was peak awesome at about the right time i guess 13:44 <@Computer Man> it has vikeys 13:45 !lastgame ezion 13:45 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/ezion/nethack/dumplog/1616519059.nh.html 13:45 I didn't have my own personal comp as early as I could've 13:45 so that's a factor. 13:45 Umbire: i think i played diablo ii a lot on friends computers first tbh 13:45 yep, water demon while they were trying to dip for Excalibur 13:45 Had to be, nabru. 13:45 Either that or the most unfortunate bones ever. 13:46 own copy was much later when diablo ii already somewhat aged 13:46 iirc 13:46 Ah, nice. 13:46 by which i mean i had computer and knew how to torrent stuff 13:46 i never bought the game lmao 13:46 I've seen multiworld SM stuff, sometimes mixed with LTTP. 13:46 <@Computer Man> aw man how didnt you buy it 13:46 there are some games that i pirated years ago 13:46 and later bought just to buy 13:46 <@iatrocrat> CNT-FAI: wait so when you were referring to doctors ruling as kings you were referring to my name 13:46 <@Computer Man> what about the company's earnings??1121! 13:46 becauds eif elt like 13:47 i acn do that 13:47 now 13:47 yar 13:47 and it seems fair 13:47 Rif likely was. 13:47 She smrt like that. 13:47 agree 13:47 <@iatrocrat> CNT-FAI: okay now i get it, lol no i just came up with this because i was bored in latin class 13:47 rip 13:47 That's how I came up with my alias! 13:47 <@Computer Man> WOW 13:47 was wondering 13:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:47 <@iatrocrat> really 13:47 Minus the boredom, I was the geek who actually enjoyed Latin. 13:47 <@iatrocrat> Umbire: i thought it meant umbreon 13:47 <@Computer Man> latin is cool 13:47 <@iatrocrat> the pokemon 13:47 <@iatrocrat> lol 13:47 <@Computer Man> you guys have latin classes? 13:48 I mean it's one of my fave mons but no. 13:48 <@Computer Man> like damn 13:48 <@iatrocrat> yeah 13:48 <@iatrocrat> i thought it was easy 13:48 Umbra sounded cool. 13:48 my first internet nickname i came up with for runescape while we were reading animal farm at school. i aws about 12 and what was this? i chose the nickname ykstort 13:48 <@Computer Man> studying dead languages is always cool 13:48 Not that much more complex. 13:48 <@Computer Man> studying dead languages is always cool 13:48 Anyhow LTTP+SM and such never grabbed me like LTTP randos did, if only because those grabbed me first + I never experienced enough Metroid to like. 13:48 Develop the attachment. 13:48 <@Computer Man> why am i being called Rehord though 13:49 <@Computer Man> i could go with 'Scaevola' but that'd be too on the nose anyways 13:49 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:49 I've had a bunch of internet nicknames, changed them often 13:49 i thought rehord was an alias of yours Computer Man, but I do not recall why 13:49 <@iatrocrat> i think i used wifighost232 13:49 what mean umbire 13:49 <@iatrocrat> or some shit like that 13:49 As in I never picked up the series early enough to get into it. 13:50 nabru I have used only these two really 13:50 and slight variations on them 13:50 Like the most I've personally played it was that DS demo cart. 13:50 dang i am not so good at skill battle [puyo puyo tetris 2] 13:50 luckily no one else in the world plays this game 13:50 PuyoTet2 is cursed. 13:51 how so's 13:51 <@Computer Man> aoei: it was retort 13:51 If you're a tetris god you basically just become untouchable I feel like. 13:51 oh like bc its super hard 13:51 oic computer man, my apologies 13:51 <@Computer Man> did you buy the puyo tetris thing 13:51 Yeah, used to watch Wumbotize now and then. 13:51 <@Computer Man> nobody plays it 13:51 yar' 13:51 <@Computer Man> imagine being apologetic for getting someone's name wrong 13:52 <@iatrocrat> time to beat ninja gaiden 13:52 <@Computer Man> time to beat i wanna be the guy gaiden 13:52 <@iatrocrat> ghosts 'n gaiden 13:52 <@iatrocrat> gaidentoads 13:53 i thought apologetic for wrong name was pretty normal 13:53 Likewise. 13:53 <+rld> <@Computer Man> why am i being called Rehord though # because that's the name you were using here circa 1600 GMT. 13:53 wait so i didnt get it wrong 13:53 yar 13:53 im confuse 13:54 but i dont actually care too much 13:54 <@Computer Man> nah 13:54 so thats fine 13:54 <@Computer Man> i was ReTort 13:54 for those with human type Empathy 13:54 <@Computer Man> i never had it as "Rehord" 13:54 <@Computer Man> weird. 13:54 aoei: No, you didn't. 13:54 <@Shadow_Rider> Rehord sounds kinda cool 13:55 <@Computer Man> its a gamer name 13:55 <@Computer Man> ๐Ÿ˜Ž 13:55 intended or not i feel like i was mocked for being apologetic, wonderously this frees me from feeling apologetic to that person about anything else ever 13:55 ^^ 13:56 <@Computer Man> youre welcome 13:56 Anyway. 13:57 rld needs an ignore function 13:57 despite this being a good outcome i deliberately didn't give the thanks as i felt it wasn't really earned 13:57 Once I head out I'll probably set up in the pavilion and start another xNH run 13:57 neat 13:57 can't really welcome thanks that weren't given 13:57 What's the command again... 13:57 ya 13:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2487 13:58 !rng Neutral Priestess | Neutral Arc gal | let xNet pick 13:58 Umbire: let xNet pick 13:58 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 13:58 doesnt exist im p sure 13:58 baw 13:58 ok I trust u game 13:58 <@Computer Man> imagine thinking an ironic use of an old joke was mockery pointed exactly at you 13:58 no thanks, seems dickish for no reason 13:58 Anyhow off to get dressed, AFKish 13:59 already pointed out it was probably not intended that way, but still the joke itself betrayed a lack of warmth and depth of character 13:59 sad agree 13:59 <@Computer Man> we're on the internet 13:59 because you essentially still mocked something that i see as good 13:59 <@Computer Man> you expect me to print and hang the excuse in my wall? 13:59 heated gamer moment 13:59 wehther or not you were mocking me exactly 13:59 i don't expect anythign computer man 13:59 i just calls em as i sees em 13:59 did you just assume my printer setup? 14:00 and im calling you a bit of an asshole 14:00 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:00 tastefully understated imo 14:00 Well RIP discord bot 14:00 well i like to keep it tasteful sometimes CNT-FAI 14:00 we are in a public chan after all 14:00 yar, is sometimes good 14:01 Gonna nudge MIF about the dropped bridge 14:01 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 14:01 bridgenudger 14:01 Or do you want we should have a break from that other character for a bit longer 14:02 also I keep thinking it's MIF and not MTF, dunno why 14:02 have no preference and will be moreso pay8ing attention to the cpu pwning me in tetris/puyo battle 14:02 Mechanic I'd Finagle 14:02 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:02 Umbire: I think at the point of the whopper about their previous nick I stopped AGF 14:03 Pinkbeast: AGF? whopper about previous nick? 14:03 Entirely reasonable 14:03 is there something i missed 14:03 Oh yeah I was PMing Rif about it but this guy's a Recurring Character 14:03 ohhh 14:03 Anti-Goomba Fireball 14:03 Are not all fireballs inherently anti-Goomba 14:03 so there's more story/drama to this asshat 14:04 aye 14:04 do spill 14:04 aoei: The lie about not having been called Rehord before. 14:04 it's anti-italian discrimination 14:04 Well not so much story, just kind of a general chode 14:04 Pinkbeast: oh yeah 14:04 Pinkbeast: ifuodn taht odd too 14:04 wait where is rld 14:04 It dedded 14:04 MTF's on it 14:04 amateurhour: bot quit right after I called that guy out and called him an asshole 14:04 the timing was epic lmao 14:04 hey i won one 14:04 based MTF 14:05 They were around when I first found my way here and started getting into NetHack proper 14:05 Sounds like you boys had a run-in with them bees 14:05 Seemed weird but personable, then a bit o' the ol antisemitism dripped out 14:05 CNT-FAI: yea is just funny the timing there 14:05 btw what's been up with this channel the past few days 14:05 it's amateur hour in here 14:05 amateurhour: i have no idea lmao 14:05 can we collectively chill 14:05 !booze 14:05 * Beholder pours nabru a schooner of the hooch, brewed by NotTheOracle\dnt at 168 degrees Fahrenheit. 14:06 !booze everyone 14:06 * Beholder delivers everyone a tumbler of pirate rum, brewed by Arsinoe at 41 degrees Celsius. 14:06 maybe now people can chill down 14:06 thanks nabru <3 14:06 amateurhour: imagine a channel where we just make fun of Amy's variant 14:06 sounds like utopia, it could never happen! 14:06 I thought it was this channel /j 14:06 and get killed by moccasins 14:06 but let's try anyway 14:06 slex bad 14:06 source: i played over 14 days worth 14:06 i did not like when people who fully knew im a DVAW survivor made a huge production about how i'm evil for being sensitive to certain insults 14:06 I say that but I do find SLEX somewhat enjoyable after a fashion 14:07 did not seem like nice PTSD inclusivity but i sorta get it, and also this was not promised 14:07 And not in that token "quasi-masochistic" sorta way 14:07 CNT-FAI: that also sounds like unpleasant and unwelcoming behaviour 14:07 CNT-FAI: Oh sheesh. 14:07 im sorry about that 14:07 yea 14:07 ty 14:07 who did this where why was this here 14:08 you were there and did a good job moderating [referring to the conflict resolution skill not the irc mechanism] 14:08 also idk why people would want to see this but i think my puyo puyo tetris 2 replays are being saved to my xbox live, my name there is Ideology Freak 14:08 oh i think i remember what you're talking about but im missing the DVAW survivor bit 14:08 i dont know exactly what that means 14:09 or who knew about that already 14:09 yeah did not feel safe to bring that up explicitly athte time but ppl definitely knew 14:09 Domestic Violence Against Women 14:09 oic 14:09 ._. 14:09 again, sorry 14:09 has certain long term psychological effects 14:09 I can imagine. 14:09 ty, big of you to apologize for other people's behavior 14:10 Yeah, no one should have to be put through that. 14:10 i can certainly relate to lasting effects of trauma 14:10 well, it was probably not intentional, just a moment of thoughtlessness, and i have also been momentarily thoughtless in here so its pretty close to a wash atm 14:11 but, was frustrating when ppl implied at the time that i enjoy shouting and would probably need to be banned in the near future 14:11 yes i was actually a bit cross at Pinkbeast at that point 14:11 i dont think that comment was particularly helpful 14:11 * aoei stern look at Pinkbeast 14:12 ive said unhelpful things before, but i am not proud of how intensely frustrated and betrayed i felt at the moment 14:12 there was a bit of irrationality an/dor thoughtlessness on all sides there really, i've just already apologized to the channel and covering that again feels potentially gratuitous 14:13 ...wait, was I there for that. 14:13 Umbire: i wanna say no but i do not recall exactly 14:13 but this is a relatively safer moment to air some of the stuff that was not made explicit 14:13 same 14:13 it was um yesterday afternoon/late morning i think 14:13 I also want to say no, but hm. 14:13 i think most concerned were just being a bit oblivious 14:14 yar 14:14 while pretty much anything is 'on topic' here, drama-free would also be nice 14:14 just saying 14:14 would be ideal yes 14:14 K2: well the discord troll is gone at least 14:14 because no bridge bot lmao 14:14 I was off IRC for most of that period so 14:14 thats good! i also feel a little better + validated 14:14 Sticking with the 'no' there 14:14 well maybe no bridge bot is a wash but the troll being gone is good 14:15 K2: Already nudged MTF about it btdubs 14:15 CNT-FAI: its sorta a temporary solution i guess 14:15 thanks 14:15 but 14:15 for now this is better lol 14:15 its down in every channel i typically see it 14:16 K2: the timing was funny beacuse i had at that moment just called out said troll and straight up called them an asshole 14:16 but i think it was unrelated coincidence 14:16 i saw 14:16 saved by the bell [a common computer error sound] 14:16 K2: ok lol 14:16 im going to go ahead and believe his rage broke the bot 14:16 wasnt sure how much you'd been payin atten 14:16 to backscroll etc. 14:16 i'll skim it 14:17 in this instances i did more than just skim 14:17 *instance 14:17 um yea thats fair 14:17 [Linux error sound] 14:17 i think you know me well enough that i don't tend to call people asshole very often 14:17 to know that 14:17 Iunno why that sound is so funny to me. 14:18 are you still calling that person an asshole on the discord side? 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2969 14:18 Non 14:18 i am no longer engaging with them on discord side 14:18 does discord allow you to make aliases for ppl? 14:18 it was warranted and tastefully understated K2 14:18 Aliases as in...? 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2483 14:18 we all got the idea without anyone being cruel 14:19 <{Demo}3> <@119587664373612547> is an asshole though 14:19 K2: i thought the bot had already do something so that custom aliases wouldn't appear on this side 14:19 no i mean on discord 14:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] flyerfly (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 66 points, T:102, killed by a magic missile 14:19 say you wanted to continue to engage with this person 14:19 K2: yeah i *think* discord side you can 14:19 <{Demo}3> oh it parsed my at demo 14:19 I'm lost now 14:19 could you right click on their name and rename it to 'Asshole' ? 14:19 K2: OH liek that 14:19 :) 14:19 let me try 14:19 OH 14:20 haha 14:20 K2: i can add a note lol 14:20 or just block them 14:20 You can do that, yes. 14:20 good to have Options 14:20 considering adding "asshole" note 14:20 lel 14:20 and then you see them again again and you can go 'oh hey @asshole' and then the party starts 14:20 K2: hahaha 14:20 https://twitter.com/dril/status/700375517741125633 14:20 Notes don't work like that sadly 14:20 Umbire: awe 14:20 shame 14:20 Blocking is silent but still has the drawback of reminding you the blocked person exists 14:21 Though even that's fixable, I forget how you get ride of the ( blocked messages) thing though 14:21 acutally i opted to block them 14:21 i guess that will only affect my discord ux they will still be on here via rld 14:22 There's alwyas murder 14:22 lmao 14:23 jonadab: that makes the gourmand conduct basically impossible 14:23 anyway time to resume shirking procrastination 14:23 because monsters die outside your control all the time 14:23 why do i only want to eat fried potatose today 14:25 ah the domestic violence thing 14:25 because fried potatoes are the ultimate comfort food 14:26 sorry misfire 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1286 points, T:3586, killed by a wounded guard 14:26 I fought the law and the law won (and also killed me) 14:27 i fought the war and the war won 14:27 monster hospital 14:27 metric 14:27 yay i won with 11 HP 14:27 nice 14:27 thought i was going down bc i used HP Recovery too early 14:28 in nethack? 14:28 puyo puyo tetris 2 14:29 [hdf-us] [slshm] ucbvax (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 10767 points, T:3804, killed by a caterwaul 14:31 !lastgame ucbvax 14:31 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/u/ucbvax/slashem/dumplog/1616499082.slashem.txt 14:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Ryoshu, on T:11173 14:34 oh yay i think new bong has arrived 14:34 I'm trying to cut do on my fried potato consumption 14:34 *cut down 14:35 yea no es bueno 14:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:11235 14:35 I'm not much of a bonger. 14:36 Or a smoker in gene-- whoa, early Croesus kill. 14:36 been using the "i should be allowed a few days of gluttony and unwise but pleasurable choices bc ive been recovering from dental surgery + working overtime on this fatigue/pain thing" excuse but i think its validity is running out somewhat 14:36 <{Demo}3> i have a job so i cant smoke weed 14:36 rip 14:36 They using speed strats or something? 14:36 btw umbire are you playing rn 14:36 Oh no not yet, I still need to get outside first 14:36 I'll tap you on the shoulder first thing, dw 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3694 14:36 no pressure im focusing on tetris & then my next move will be to get somewhat dressed-like and go check for packages at the front desk 14:37 which variant are you playing today Umbire? and which have you liked the most so far 14:37 hopefully my bluetooth numpad has also come in 14:37 computer culture is wild, bluetooth is named after like nazis' favorite guy from viking times 14:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:5736 14:37 14:38 they just kinda slipped that one in htere under the plausible deniability of picking a random historic figure who was renowned for his battle record 14:38 +al 14:38 please can we not bring up nazis for a bit I just want to talk about nethack :( 14:38 yeah sorry 14:38 Is valid 14:39 * hothraxxa invokes godwin 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:19657 14:39 so far I'm liking splicehack's take on the things from slash'em 14:39 eh, godwin is kind of obsolete 14:39 at least acccording to mr. godwin himself 14:39 tbf danes invented bluetooth, Blรฅ Tรฆn is just one of their historic kings 14:40 to them 14:40 ah we are then in the post-godwin times, interesting 14:40 [14:38:05] they just kinda slipped that one in htere under the plausible deniability of picking a random historic figure who was renowned for his battle record 14:40 Evil is my fave by far 14:40 Evil is fun 14:40 xNet is climbing the list though 14:40 yeah. have you seen the commits for the next version? 14:40 I just wish I wasn't such a smooth brain and could beat evilhack haha 14:40 danish geek subculture stuff is, 14:40 complicated 14:41 nazi associations sorta ruined a lot of viking shit, doesn't make viking shit nazi 14:41 i'm aware 14:41 i did address this 14:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed touchstone", on T:11564 14:41 ok 14:41 lol 14:41 there's room to disagree but it's definitely not just me 14:41 really looking forward to seeing the evilhack 0.7 release though, the new branch sounds cool 14:41 vecna? you look forward to vecan? 14:41 CNT-FAI: i mean i get ive had similar reactions to stuff like kthat lol 14:42 im cool with neo pagan stuff otherwise. i went to the wiccan thing for my religion hour in boot camp and almost converted 14:42 i had like a nethack message in my brains when i went back to synagogue next time 14:42 Your god is displeased! or whatever 14:42 but they are as good of people as any other religious/religion history interest group 14:42 [hdf-us] [slshm] ucbvax (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 333 points, T:589, killed by a kitten 14:43 my religion doesn't require belief anyway, so there's no conflict in the modern world 14:43 we were uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh not so nice to the pagans at times in history 14:46 a religious anarchosyndicalist 14:46 interesting 14:46 unusual 14:46 it is not as uncommon as you might think 14:47 there are a ton of muslims and buddhists in particular, though i'm not those 14:47 had a rabbi at one time who shared that he would go to religious conferences and the buddhists would all be ethnic Jews 14:47 looking more forward to a new branch of stuff hothraxxa, less looking forward to rodney randomly having MR/reflection 14:48 of course i know of the jewish communists, and i also know about the liberation theology of latin america 14:48 this is a thing also yes 14:48 i am technically a jewish communist, im not a syndicalist true believer 14:48 just picked this name in BZFlag bc it's the closest faction to my beliefs in rl history that had at least one tank (in the story ive been linking) 14:48 lol nice 14:49 Wait so are you like 14:49 an actual tank liker or 14:49 that usually leads ppl to joke that the tank was a potato with a gun or something, but it was a legit tank that the anarchists of course stole, being anarchists and at war 14:49 no 14:49 just bzflag 14:49 Oh 14:50 i'm not so much syndicalist as i am a kind of communist who feels not so represented by the stalinist or trotskyist factions nor the republic fetishists nor the iron front 14:50 i've wokred with syndicalists a lot though 14:51 are there honestly still proper stalinist communists 14:51 apart from north korea 14:51 14:51 eh dprk is not "Marxist-Leninist" anymore either actually, but yes, there are many 14:51 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Fem Law), 1537 points, T:2252, quit 14:51 hey why is it that every time someone tries to underail the conversation back to nethack it devolves back into politics in 5 minutes 14:52 whoops 14:52 put kim in nethack 14:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:11760 14:52 fair, sorry 14:52 * hothraxxa names his pet mumak kim 14:52 yeah mb also 14:53 Morton sounds more of a mumaky name to me 14:54 H. John Fluffburger 14:54 morton hears a moo 14:54 Yes 14:54 my tnnt teammate would name every pet he had and I thought that was sweet 14:54 i do that 14:55 I sort of wish there was a way to have the starting pet start with a random name (that we wouldn't have to specify) 14:55 you should do it 14:55 maybe that's a YANI 14:55 make a pr 14:55 nope 14:55 you should name every pet you get 14:55 spoilsport 14:55 where would the random names come from? hardcoded list? 14:55 yeah 14:55 what stenno says 14:56 just use the orc name generator :D 14:56 if you name your pets you'll feel extra bad when you have to eat them 14:56 haha 14:56 I've never had to eat my pets at any point ever 14:56 i'd feel like mosters were aware of my presence 14:56 +n 14:56 <{Demo}3> i like naming my purple worms "squirmy" 14:56 feel like if you're at the point where you're considering eating your pet that run is probably doomed for larger reasons 14:56 well not if i et the horse 14:56 <{Demo}3> and onward but with "squirmy" + matrix sequel adjective 14:57 i call all my pets apart from my starting pet "Wuffi" 14:57 used to number them but i don't care that much anymore 14:57 I do call tame djinnis Disappointment 14:57 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Sam Gia Mal Law), 145 points, T:310, burned by molten lava 14:57 <{Demo}3> i slay tame djinn and the gods fear me 14:57 i call them you were supposed to be gdsm 14:58 god damned son of a mother? 14:59 <{Demo}3> its like when u have a kid and they werent born whatever sex u wanted lol 15:00 what's that like, demo? 15:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:2 15:00 hey, birth assignment ain't destiny 15:00 Gray dragon scale mail for context 15:01 she knew that 15:01 lol 15:01 Sorry, habit 6_9 15:01 i had forgotten 15:01 O 15:01 yeah 15:01 was jokingly asking for a refresher so you did fine 15:01 Well happy to be of service then 9_6 ๐Ÿ‘ 15:01 oh sorry, i thought it was just a funny 15:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law), 134386 points, T:12104, killed by a critically damaged clay golem, while praying 15:01 it's the sort of comment i make all the time 15:01 fair 15:02 my personal style is to use it to cope with the feeling of being a disappointment for not knowing/remembering stuff, but different strokes 15:03 it was p funny 15:03 ok. despite my assumption, most of us don't have expectations that anyone here knows/remembers stuff 15:03 ty 15:04 oh i meant my personal neurosis lol 15:04 do you think internalizing that might help deal with your neurosis? 15:04 worth a shot 15:04 ;) 15:05 i would hug you but covid 15:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 15:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 15:05 Hi Amy 15:05 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 15:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 15:05 Oh joy 15:05 ruh roh 15:05 -!- MTF has joined #hardfought 15:06 yo Umbire, got home surprisingly early today :) 15:06 LarienTelrunya: Message from amateurhour at 2021-03-21 16:56 EDT: Recovery failed. On a public server this may be caused by disconnects, 15:06 Thanks again MTF 15:06 np, RLD should be comin back up now 15:06 Already up 15:06 In here at least 15:06 ok great =D 15:06 <@mtf> hello irc people 15:06 thanks based mtf 15:06 <@nabru> ๐Ÿ‘‹ 15:06 what does based mtf mean 15:06 <@mtf> somebody was brute forcing my server >.> 15:07 i thought his name was simply mtf 15:07 wtf seriously 15:07 <@mtf> yup 15:07 <@mtf> I'm a noob who didn't have fail2ban configured 15:07 ey 15:07 based is internet slang for good aoei 15:07 <@mtf> I've fixed that now 15:07 nice 15:07 amateurhour: lol what i had no idea 15:07 Interesting 15:07 the implication with based is that the person is unburdened by social limitations or judgements 15:08 all your based is belong to us 15:08 <@mtf> somebody really thinks theres a minecraft server on my box 15:08 are they wrong mtf? :P 15:08 <@mtf> yes! that's slander 15:08 aoei a rapper used to be called 'based' by the other kids in his neighborhood for being energetic and confident, the implication at the time was that he was on crack 15:08 freebase -> base 15:08 ohhhhhh 15:08 then he like powerfully flipped it or whatever 15:09 basing is fun but dont tell anyone i said that 15:09 yo CNT-FAI 15:09 tell who about what 15:09 apparently aoei said 'basing is fun' 15:09 gasp 15:09 haha 15:09 can't say i recommend the cocaine 15:09 <@princessSpicycat> i figured internet yammerers just enjoyed mistyping "best" as "based" 15:09 i would never and have never done drugs in my lifee ever 15:09 IME 15:09 I tried BASEing but it turns out every dungeon level is entirely flat 15:10 bridge antenna span earth 15:10 i got the hypertension back when i liekd to do a coke 15:10 <@princessSpicycat> wasn't worth figuring out , like pog or kappa 15:10 That's a hell of a mistype 15:10 :U 15:10 <@princessSpicycat> repetitive context was enough 15:11 but the biggest danger, which i saw in philly worryingly much when i lived there, is that coke makes you feel like speeding up your drinking, and coke+alcohol react in your heart and other vital organs to make a 3rd chemical that is not any more fun but is way better at ripping your shit to shit 15:11 which it turns out you need your heart 15:11 CNT-FAI: well that's close to the truth but not precisely how i'd explain it 15:11 no you don't. jean-luc doesn't have one and he's done ptretty well 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5051 15:12 cocaine and alcohol do indeed form a new drug in the bloodstream called coca-ethylene 15:12 it's the truth explained badly 15:12 due to transesterification 15:12 taking your word for this 15:12 o chem was, not my thing in college 15:12 it is true that this drug is more cardiotoxic than cocaine itself (coca-methylene, it is a methyl group that is swapped for an ethyl group that came from the alcohol you drank) 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:5175 15:13 side-note, this results in free methanol liberated in the bloodstream but the amounts are so tiny it doesn't make any diff 15:13 LarienTelrunya: I deleted the old game and started a new one, but yeah it did fail (understandably) 15:13 just a fun fact 15:13 amateurhour: yeah I guess if the game fails during character generation, there isn't actually anything to recover 15:13 oh and coca-ethylene is also a more potent dopamine reuptake inhibitor than cocaine itself 15:13 so dopamine hits are ehanced even further on coke+alcohol than on coke or on alcohol by themselves 15:14 making the combination extra addictive 15:14 yeah thats worrying also IME 15:14 on top of that 15:14 also makes ppl act like theyre invincible some times 15:14 this drug has a longer serum half-life than cocaine itself 15:14 which can become a not-endless loop 15:14 rate of its buildup is also somewhat delayed compared to the initial cocaine hits from smoking or doing lines 15:14 bc if youre such a cool dude whose organs can take anything why not do another line and another 8 beers 15:15 that being said we might be pissin' some people off now 15:15 there is also the upper/downer mix effect 15:15 they are two counter-balanced forces 15:15 Hey, I prefer impromptu chem class to politics in terms of "might get someone banned-ability" 15:15 alcohol stimulates glutamate system whiel the sympathetic nervous system is stimulated by the cocaine/coca ethylene 15:15 so you can takem ore of both 15:15 CNT-FAI: there are exactly two people in here you need to worry about pissing off: k2 and tangles 15:15 without passing out or feeling overly wired 15:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:58622 15:16 I also need tips for when I RP my homebrewed drunken monk 15:16 >_> 15:16 just be warned, i am VERY tired today and not really paying attention to the o chem stuff 15:16 CNT-FAI: and yes people do very stupid thihngs on drugs 15:16 oh i dont really mind if your'e paying attention 15:16 i dont need the extra fatigue from studying intense material 15:16 ok good 15:16 i just like talkinga bout pharma 15:16 and how drugs work 15:16 and stuff 15:17 aoei: real life 'Breaking Bad' when? 15:17 im into it usually 15:17 lmao K2 15:17 :P 15:17 all the time tbh 15:17 gee mr. aoei. now tell us all about cannabinoids 15:17 :V 15:17 miss 15:17 that's miss to u 15:17 ms. 15:17 thanks lol 15:17 that show actually caused a spike in people exploiting relatively lawless Native nations' land to do crimes 15:17 anyhow 15:17 i fuck that up all the time 15:17 K2: Nah, with maxed Luck I never miss 15:17 so when = during its airing 15:17 now the mr was intentional 15:17 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha), 1446 points, T:1566, killed by a monster (surly looking dwarf) 15:17 no 15:17 :/ 15:17 it's a take on mr science 15:17 hothraxxa: oh cuz ref to mr. white 15:17 lawless is not hte right word, more like under resourced 15:17 oh nvm 15:17 well ihn any case 15:18 CNT-FAI: Because of course it did 15:18 you cant use the handle 'Heisenburg' 15:18 ngl i do like the cocaines from tiem to time 15:18 plenty of laws but the jurisdictional stickiness + lack of resources for tribal police makes it a crimefest 15:18 but it is bad stuff really 15:18 and sadly once ppl go to another nation to commit other crimes they're fairly likely to add sexual assault, kidnapping and/or femicide 15:18 bc why not 15:19 i dont think there are any minors in here, but just be aware of how you discuss the topics you're discussing 15:19 ruins the show for me but i still like better caul sall 15:19 oh i forget myself ty k2 15:19 On a somewhat lighter subject I am a pair of shoes away 15:19 CNT-FAI, aoei 15:19 from being outside 15:19 Umbire: shooooooooes โ™ฅโ™ฅโ™ฅ 15:19 i gotta go outside soon too i need to smoke for realsys 15:19 i dont mind the topic, its important to discuss certain things, just be aware of potential audience 15:19 shoes are good 15:20 thumbs upperino k2 15:20 <@princessSpicycat> today has been a REALLY crazy day for hardfought 15:20 haha yes it has 15:20 it's been like this for two days 15:20 ya 15:20 around the time CNT-FAI showed up ) 15:20 :) 15:20 glad to be home again now, since it allows me to wear my fluffy-soft wedge sneakers โ™ฅ they've become my standard indoor shoes 15:20 that is not precise or nice 15:21 do i have to start wrapping sentences with again? 15:21 It'd be welcome 15:21 We take the "obviousness" of tone for granted a lot 15:21 i think in this kind of case it'd be considerate 15:21 isnt the smiley face the universal symbol for 'i'm just messing with you' ? 15:21 oh thats a good point 15:21 Depends on when you grew up generally 15:22 something about the typo reduced that reaction for me i think 15:22 or am i too old and now its something else? 15:22 <@Computer Man> it isn't slander. on print it's libel 15:22 yeah, universal might be a stretch 15:22 It still works but a quick /s also usually does the trick 15:22 blah 15:22 this aint reddit 15:22 or haha jk or whatever 15:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:59153 15:22 evilhack is bad :) 15:22 /s isn't a redditism 15:23 amateurhour wears a bobble hat to bed :) 15:23 <@Computer Man> wrapping stuff in sarcasm is way funnier though 15:23 im a bit sensitive to the suggestion that it might be fun/proper to ostracize me 15:23 personally 15:23 hey why did you add a smiley face to a fact 15:23 lol 15:23 <@Computer Man> also hello again amateurhour 15:23 not everyone is this 1980s/90s autistic/trans and neurotic from it 15:23 so its w/e 15:23 <@Computer Man> i wanna have another moment 15:23 but that's my truth 15:23 <@Computer Man> i love chem 15:24 who's chem? 15:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:46862 15:25 Anyhow, bbs 15:25 the subject of chemistry i think 15:25 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 15:26 <@Computer Man> yes 15:27 <@Computer Man> my fav subjects are chemistry and math 15:27 <@Computer Man> what about you guys 15:27 what school do you go to? 15:27 my favorite subject is nethack 15:27 i studied linguistics with a sociocultural anthro minor 15:27 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:27 er, 'concentration' 15:28 didnt finish but im mostly just missing the linguistics major gen-eds 15:28 basically political linguistics is my passion 15:28 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 15:29 my fav courses in college were drinking and partying 15:29 was a chem major until calc2/chem2 15:29 <@mtf> and sleeping 15:29 i was on track for a post graduage degree in that field but i was asked to leave after year 2 15:30 graduate 15:30 cnt spl 15:30 gratuhgfweyfgy 15:30 -!- hollywood-vishnu has joined #hardfought 15:30 at that tgime i found out that my uncle had also been a chem major in the 70s and switched to psych at around the same point 15:30 <@Computer Man> i'm not sure what degree to aim for 15:30 my favorite course in uni was the one where i didn't go to uni but did other stuff and then failed it 15:30 I have a masters in theoretical physics, but wish I'd picked something like computer science 15:30 <@Computer Man> lotsa cool things 15:30 "Doctor Gall majored in animal husbandry until they caught him at it one day." -- Tom Lehrer 15:30 <@Computer Man> nah 15:30 <@deathsushi> stenno2 One of the most common electives, that 15:30 <@Computer Man> physics>compsci 15:30 I have a degree in electrical engineering, if I were going to college today I'd go into CS 15:30 amateurhour yeah i wish i had gone compsci route too 15:30 <@deathsushi> I did CSc 15:30 i was a music major heh 15:30 <@deathsushi> It was pretty good 15:30 <@mtf> compsci is great money 15:30 chem eng would probably be the default wise career choice, but im a believer in getting the education you're most passionate about bc employers dont really care as long as ur qualified 15:30 i left university after my third year to get a job because my scholarhip had run out and i didn't have any money. i was recruited by a data processing company and never went back 15:31 oh hai @mtf 15:31 <@mtf> heya k2 ๐Ÿ˜„ 15:31 in 1969 15:31 <@Computer Man> chem eng is one of my choices 15:31 <@Computer Man> i dunno what to do reee 15:31 I wanted to study math or physics, but the job prospects were crap outside teaching 15:31 great money> the most unpleasant person I know did a compsci degree on that basis just before the dotcom bubble burst, which, well, ha fucking ha 15:31 are you in the US? does it even matter? 15:31 I was under the impression that in the US you can switch majors easily 15:31 <@mtf> the choice is easy... become a programmer, work from home all the time, make > 100k a year for 35 hours of work 15:31 <@Computer Man> no to the second one cuz i like being mysterious 15:31 Pinkbeast: was it elon musk? 15:32 I'm not in the US, switching degrees is not very easy over here 15:32 basically you have to reapply to college 15:32 <@Computer Man> lets just talk bachelors in general 15:32 it is a US cultural shortcoming to view every minute of college as 100% self interested career-generating 15:32 <@Computer Man> thats how it works 15:32 <@mtf> it's really not 15:32 <@Computer Man> US college system is so weird 15:32 nabru i'll sponsor you. you can be the man-child son i never had 15:32 'time is money' 15:32 <@Computer Man> like holy shit 15:32 :D 15:32 <@mtf> college is like 5% career generating 15:32 stenno2: I don't know Elon Musk and I imagine he's quite personable IRL or how would he extract so much VC money for crazy schemes? 15:32 <@mtf> and 95% getting wasted 15:32 -!- hollywood-vishnu has quit [Client Quit] 15:32 heh 15:32 <@Computer Man> partyyy 15:33 <@mtf> don't let anyone tell you that you won't get a job with a 2.7 gpa 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1920 15:33 ppl like mtf is why our bridges and levees collapse 15:33 where i live, most colleges are trade schools. we have universities 15:33 C's get degrees hahahah 15:33 <@mtf> excuse me I write fantastic code 15:33 <@Computer Man> mtf is a bridge architect 15:33 <@mtf> what I dont' write is fantastic music, or give a shit about archaeology 15:33 <@Computer Man> that's why this one keeps falling 15:33 hence collge grads find jobs way more easily 15:33 i was exclusively referring to "college is like 5% career generating and 95% getting wasted" 15:33 <@mtf> unfortunately getting A's in your field is overshadowed by D's in rocks / volcanoes 15:34 <@Computer Man> i truly do not understand the underwater basket weaving courses there are 15:34 <@Computer Man> like, why? 15:34 well 15:34 education 15:34 someone has to make baskets underwater 15:34 <@Computer Man> i wouldn't like to see a d in a rock 15:34 poor d. throw some tripe 15:35 being more well rounded is always beneficial in your working life 15:35 <@mtf> how come d's never get food poisoning 15:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 2 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:60897 15:35 much more so if your job requires a degree 15:35 <@Computer Man> thats why people get fat over time 15:35 @mtf well they avoid eating kobold corpses 15:35 <@Computer Man> getting well rounded 15:35 <@mtf> true, but what if I throw a poisoned tripe? ๐Ÿค” 15:35 <@Computer Man> they throw it back 15:36 <@Computer Man> and bite you in the shins 15:36 stenno: i am a hobbit with intrinsic food sense. i still eat rotten food and go blind 15:36 <@mtf> it's ok I usually push my pets into pits anyway 15:36 so why not dogs? 15:36 hah 15:36 <@Computer Man> because cats are better 15:36 that reminds me i have to continue evil 15:36 in my last game i got hugged to death by a mumak 15:36 hugs <3 15:37 <@Computer Man> i want a hug 15:37 you bastard. i'm trying to figure out how to kill the mumak you left in the mines 15:37 hah 15:37 the bonecrushing sort of hugs 15:37 lol 15:37 <@Computer Man> lmao 15:37 anyway if ur building a bridge its a good idea to knoew how the rocks under it work 15:37 i have nice loot 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 4934 points, T:4608, killed by a wounded soldier ant 15:37 !booze everyone 15:37 * Beholder throws everyone a pint of grog, decanted by NotTheOracle\dnt at 92 degrees Celsius. 15:37 bag of holding 15:37 <@Computer Man> i just a sadness crushing hug uwu 15:37 <@Computer Man> just want* 15:37 didn't even know i had bones enabled 15:37 nice but i have one 15:37 also scientists need to know a lot about sciences other than their specialtym, it's a problem rn 15:37 https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2455/source 15:37 <@Computer Man> why is it a problem? 15:38 <@Computer Man> you're expected to know a bit of everything 15:38 <@Computer Man> and that's a good thing 15:38 i just said that 15:38 * stenno2 disables bones for good measure 15:38 <@Computer Man> "it's a problem rn" 15:38 stenno2 noooo 15:38 so if you'll breathe for a second 15:38 lol 15:38 maybe i should leave it on for now 15:38 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha), 3181 points, T:1589, killed by brainlessness 15:38 i was responding very specifically to someone who said he didnt want to have to take geology 1 to get a degree in chem or math 15:38 its not that i am tryharding anyway 15:39 <@Computer Man> leave bones on, always good times 15:39 wait did k2 just post a link to a joke about licking pussy? 15:39 <@Computer Man> holy shit 15:39 <@Computer Man> he did 15:39 and you're all over my ass for something you don't even disagree with 15:39 errmahgerd 15:39 <@Computer Man> i'm all over it because i didn't have any context 15:39 <@Computer Man> so how about you take it down a notch 15:39 there could be kids watching 15:39 i think you might want to do that yeah 15:39 <@Computer Man> ??? 15:39 Fortunately in sensible English it's just a humorous cat picture with no quim connotations 15:40 god i wish it were possible to ignore ppl from the discord 15:40 whew! saved by pinkbeast 15:40 <@Computer Man> amazing joke 15:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Sorcerer, on T:19890 15:40 CNT-FAI, what irc client are you using 15:40 what i said was that it's a problem right now that scientists here are so obsessed with making a bunch of money on one specialty 15:40 adiirc 15:40 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Esp Fem Cha), 3181 points, T:1589, killed by brainlessness 15:41 > me irl 15:41 and that it's a good thing they are required to know different sciences 15:41 amateurhour hah 15:41 <@Computer Man> why didn't you lead with that? 15:41 because irc? 15:41 why are you still all over my ass for your comprehension problem 15:41 oh my 15:41 i have very clearly expressed that i dont want to be having this conversation 15:41 then dont 15:41 <@Computer Man> then dont 15:41 <@mtf> I'm really not interested in splitting up a tiff between you two 15:41 yes, i would say you should do that! 15:41 <@mtf> can you both grow up a bit and behave? 15:42 thanks @mtf, you take over, i'll grab the popcorn 15:42 <@Computer Man> he started it! 15:42 oh dear 15:42 oh dear 15:42 so this guy has 100% been corrected on my gender before 15:42 <@mtf> oh dear 15:42 but yeah i'll "grow up" 15:42 <@mtf> yea, I've already seen the caht cnt 15:42 <@mtf> chat cnt* 15:42 <@mtf> and I've already talked with him 15:42 <@mtf> who I haven't talked with is you 15:42 i appreciate with that and talking with him isn't working 15:43 <@mtf> then report it to the mods 15:43 <@mtf> don't instigate 15:43 <@mtf> you poking and prodding does not help 15:43 oh yeah it's my fault 15:43 what would help is if both of you werent so thin-skinned 15:43 transphobes and people who get misinterpreted are the same 15:43 <@mtf> did I say it was your fault? 15:43 <@mtf> how about you dont' put words in my mouth 15:43 <@mtf> and listen to what I'm saying 15:43 you very clearly did 15:43 alright 15:43 can we be done with this conversation please 15:44 @mtf, CNT-FAI, anyone else - just drop it 15:44 i will be happy to with the exception of the repeated misgendering 15:44 CNT-FAI... drop it 15:44 <@mtf> gladly 15:44 yeah repeated misgendering with no apology is a problem, i did not decide that personally 15:44 and i'm being really nice about it tbh 15:45 CNT-FAI, what are you playing on the server? nethack iwse? 15:45 x 15:45 wise 15:45 xnethack? 15:45 yes 15:46 have you come across the new way aosdict implemented dragon scale yet? 15:46 no im not very good tbh 15:46 wait wut? 15:46 dtsund-dsm 15:46 its like this: 15:46 what does that monstrosity stand for 15:46 literal monstrosity lol 15:46 you enchant the scales *to* your armor now 15:46 <@Umby> ^ 15:46 thats p neat 15:46 DSM isn't its own armor type 15:46 kill dragon, drops scales. apply scales to armor 15:46 <@mtf> sounds fun 15:47 alas no dscale tshirt for punchyboi monks :( 15:47 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 15:47 <@mtf> upgrading items is a cool feature 15:47 ok to what effect? 15:47 it replaces dragon scale mail 15:47 it makes regular armor a thing, not something you want to ditch 15:47 <@mtf> so is there a reason you wouldn't just always enchant them to plate mail? 15:47 so the other kinds of armor - mithril, plate, leather, whatever, become a lot more relevant 15:47 ahhhhhhhh 15:47 @mtf maybe you haven't found plate yet 15:47 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9_9QhQXnS3w this is a song im reminded of by GDSM and especially, even longer acronyms 15:47 aosdict thinks things through 15:47 <@Umby> You might not have platemail 15:47 iirc scales are a cloak slot item 15:47 <@mtf> yea fair 15:47 <@mtf> it's pretty common tho 15:47 so you can get reflection in cloak 15:47 <@Umby> Or else you want armor more conducive to casting normally 15:48 <@mtf> wait isn't plate mail guaranteed in the rogue level 15:48 <@luxidream> plate mail is heavy af 15:48 plate mail is heavy af 15:48 <@Umby> ^ 15:48 <@Umby> Also that 15:48 sniped 15:48 <@luxidream> no 15:48 sure, but you've probably won by the time you reach the rogue level 15:48 And I am here now 15:48 <@luxidream> on discord side I am first 15:48 <@mtf> hi luxi ๐Ÿ˜„ 15:48 plate is way too heavy anyway. i'd expect the armour of choice would be mithril 15:48 <@luxidream> heyo mtf 15:48 I meant u sniped me luxi 15:48 "probably won" lol 15:48 <@mtf> yea I mean mithril is prob best 15:48 haha 15:48 <@luxidream> the cool thing about dtsund-dsm is you can wear a dragon scale cloak and dragon scale infused armor 15:48 Object materials also mean something like mithril elven ring mail is totally viable 15:48 crystal plate mail 15:48 yeah! 15:48 add scales to that 15:49 ive been playing priestess exclusively lately 15:49 <@mtf> I like my dragon scale dunce cap ๐Ÿ™‚ 15:49 unless aosdict implemented orc sensitivity to mithril. can't recall 15:49 <@luxidream> so you can wear silver dragon infused mithril, with gray dragon scales on top 15:49 K2 you are so obsessed with crystal stuff :P 15:49 He didn't 15:49 because i like orcs 15:49 amateurhour :P 15:49 ugh I am brainstorming an idea for much more detailed recording of nethack games than just ttyrec 15:49 That's only an evilism so far that I know of 15:49 like if you don't have reflection and MR by the rogue level, you're speedrunning 15:49 I want to track all items and monster inventories and everything 15:49 it's not in xNet in any case 15:49 i think evilhack is the only variant that has orc/mithril aversion 15:49 and let you browser that in a browser UI 15:49 spicycat: ...or you just didn't luck into a source 15:50 Like that's entirely possible 15:50 hmm Adeon I think the way fiqhack stores everything would work for that 15:50 any details about that implementation? 15:50 i wonder if CPM would still be an interesting choice if it wasn't so ungodly heavy 15:50 also xNet has armor in your inventory weigh less upon actually wearing it 15:50 k2: it's not like aosdict hasn't taken from evil amirite? 15:50 er there's a bot with the messaging functionality 15:50 Which is super cool 15:50 everyone would just wear it 15:50 FIQ would be the best person to talk about it 15:50 but the weight system is bad. 15:50 !msg Adeon test 15:50 FIQ: FIQ ! 15:50 but it stores everything so you can even ctrl+f from within the game to find items on other floors 15:51 hothraxxa, we've both taken ideas from each other 15:51 sounds like you need to manage inventory better :^) /s 15:51 right, how it should be 15:51 it's !tell Adeon 15:51 FIQ: can you describe how "storing everything" works in fiqhack, potentially for recording purposes? 15:51 ah yeah but he's online so he'll see that whenever he's available 15:51 !tell CNT-FAI gonna play some x in a second 15:51 Will do, Umbire! 15:52 !tell amateurhour henlo i am ur biggest fan 15:52 No worries, amateurhour, I've got this! 15:52 btw thanks again for updating pinobot Adeon 15:52 amateurhour: Message from amateurhour at 2021-03-23 15:52 EDT: henlo i am ur biggest fan 15:52 ahp 15:52 fuck, I forgot I never set CP437 as a permanet setting 15:52 amateurhour: np! 15:53 I have some renewed interest in nethack again 15:53 welp randomly chose elf priest for me 15:53 yesssss 15:53 but I don't know how long this will last 15:53 I enjoyed the stream the other day as well 15:53 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:53 CNT-FAI: and we are good to go 15:54 there's not enough nethack streams imotbh 15:54 Adeon: vt_tiledata already gives you tons of tracking options 15:54 stenno2: I'm imagingin something like, I can browser through every level generated, I can click on any monster and it shows all stats and inventory of that monster 15:54 <@iatrocrat> amateurhour: tyler1 nh stream 15:54 and also programmatically make this much more accessible 15:55 hi 15:55 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 15:55 ty umb 15:55 CNT-FAI: Message from Umbire at 2021-03-23 15:51 EDT: gonna play some x in a second 15:55 haha the salt would be too much 15:55 oh so showing data that is not displayed 15:55 for example I have experience in writing sqlite extensions...maybe can make nethack "SQL" readable with that, turn the info to sqlite files 15:55 yeah thats not possible with vt_tiledata right now 15:55 yeah 15:55 Adeon: can you clarify what you mean with "store everything"? 15:55 that sort of thing 15:55 hothraxxa - at some point i want to pull over the new dtsund-scale system thats in xntehack, but i promised aosdict i'd stay hands off of that until late this year or early next 15:55 I mean, it's a basic necessity for the game to work 15:55 it's because I mentioned you'd stored all the level data differently FIQ 15:55 FIQ: amateurhour said this: hmm Adeon I think the way fiqhack stores everything would work for that 15:55 in a way that can ctrl+f through them 15:55 Oh 15:55 when I expressed my idea for much more detailed records rather than ttyrec 15:56 so I wanted to just know what kind of thing is going on in fiqhack 15:56 rather than parsing and reading level files it might be possible to expose the data somehow from that 15:56 Adeon: fiqhack stores up to 2 copies of objects, instead of just 1, the 2nd is used to track player object memory 15:57 the way this works is that aside from the regular level object chain, there is also a "remembered object chain" which is more or less a mirror, except it only refreshes as the player sees objects 15:57 Alright so 15:57 the vast majority of this code is self-contained in fiqhack's memobj.c 15:57 I think curses or w/e is slightly bugged 15:57 brb 15:57 book of cure sickness is full red 15:57 (the only cases of logic being outside of there is for save/restore) 15:57 I'm imagining my thing would be crawling all objects yeah and recording them 15:57 Probably because of the letters for "curse" being in there 15:58 all objects, monsters etc. 15:58 so hmmm 15:58 how hard is it to write code like this 15:58 I know nethack uses linked lists a lot 15:58 but I'm not too familiar with the data structures 15:58 mobs are in a linked list? 15:58 yes 15:58 Adeon: there are 2 side effects of this: ctrl-f, to search for remembered objects, dungeon features or traps, and the fact that farlook now displays an exhaustive list of objects on the pile that you remember 15:58 a lot of things are linked lists in nethack 15:58 rather than just the top object 15:59 ctrl-f is one of the features I would looooooove to have in all of nethack 15:59 since all it has to do is to lookup the memory object chain rather than resorting to messing with the displayed glyphs 15:59 being able to just straight up click on stuff is awesome tbh 15:59 this interface fucks 16:00 Adeon: but yeah, you can look at memobj.c if you want to know the implementation details 16:00 i could do it with nodehack too 16:00 because it has basically everything 16:00 at least with what vt_tiledata gave me 16:00 https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/blob/development/libnethack/src/memobj.c 16:01 welp not touching that thing 16:01 not at this HP 16:01 and specially cause elf 16:01 yey key 16:02 has anyone tried using that nodejs nethack library yet? 16:03 it also looks at your own inventory; this is mostly pointless, but the reason for it is so that you can look into bags without interacting with them 16:03 which can be helpful for cursed BoH, or people who are spectating you (and thus can't input any game commands themselves, but can input notime commands such as ctrl-f) 16:04 referring to this: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/385 16:04 pog 16:05 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law) killed the ghost of RohoDragon, the former Catacomb Evil-Fighter, on T:5452 16:07 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Sto Azt Mal Cha), 11550 points, T:1, quit 16:07 amateurhour: nope 16:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 725 points, T:1222, killed by an uninjured little dog 16:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Fixed Helping Hand", on T:40869 16:08 https://twitter.com/dril/status/885997468487495680 16:08 no github repo 16:09 lookin good on the readout umbo 16:09 options wise 16:10 amateurhour: i wonder if i will ever have time again for a private mid-to-large scale programming project 16:10 time and impetus 16:10 Yeah I just forgot to set CP437 as the default for my NetHack TTY options 16:10 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2436 points, T:1861, killed by a slightly wounded gecko 16:10 >mail 16:10 Whomst 16:10 I want to do something like that stenno but after work I just vegetate lol 16:11 same 16:11 life is exhausting 16:11 whomst ya think nerdicus minimus 16:11 >:C <3 16:11 i just have the feeling that i am wasting my time nowdays when i do the same stuff in my free time that i do at work 16:11 lmao 16:11 its a bid sad 16:11 bit 16:11 yeah I totally get that 16:11 i hope i somehow make time for it still when i have job 16:11 because i have plans for sscoreboard 16:11 reading mail should be a free action #YANI 16:11 big big plans 16:11 that i keep talking about instead of doing 16:12 lel 16:12 which plans 16:12 probably player search 16:12 basically a more extensible API for facilitating various more customisable searches 16:12 <@Computer Man> Throw several mails and have a plauer get yasd'd mid-read 16:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Fixed Large +3 Gauntlets of Dexterity", on T:41079 16:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:63364 16:13 she's saving the universe, via scoreboard enhancements 16:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:63369 16:13 directly extending the legacy perl codebase is not really the way tho 16:13 so its not a simple task to do 16:13 <@Computer Man> Rewrite nh in cobol 16:14 <@Computer Man> Then we just need bank IT 16:14 <@Computer Man> Easy 16:14 plus there was that stuff i was meant to be working on for tnnt lol 16:14 fortuantely the two projects are very similar in a lot of ways 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 451 points, T:945, killed by a nearly deceased iguana 16:14 patreon? 16:14 huh? 16:15 like maybe you can somehow turn dev blogging into an income stream? idk if im being realistic rn 16:15 <@Computer Man> Nah. 16:15 but like the way sometimes ppl do twitch as a job 16:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:8108 16:16 <@Computer Man> Dev work is boring 16:16 <@Computer Man> Ppl only like the game 16:16 who's dev blogging tho 16:16 "dev work is boring" 16:16 * Umbire laughs in Dwarf Fortress 16:17 i guess that's the rub aoei 16:17 quigley no! 16:17 would take some effort to not share stuff about the process in the channel 16:17 all im seein is scoreboard and patreon and thinking if anyone actually would pay for that im sure we would find use for the money $_$ 16:18 and people might not want to not share stuff/ not have stuff shared in the channel 16:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:45004 16:18 but in all seriousness i dont think this is a way we would be going 16:18 yeh 16:18 <@Computer Man> In stimulants so the devs work harder? 16:18 just throwin a thought out there 16:18 drugs are probably a good idea 16:18 can confirm not good solution 16:19 yeah was jk bc i expressed concern for multi drug users above 16:19 anywho, what would actually be really amazing is if more people took interest in doin a bit of dev work for the nethack scoreboard 16:20 maybe when its less perlu 16:20 perly 16:20 stenno2: yes 16:20 if I knew perl, I could help 16:20 which is another reason i want to rewrite stuff in othe rlang 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:9745 16:20 <@Computer Man> Too many cooks spoils the broth 16:20 nabru: which langs are you more comfortable in 16:20 wand of polymorph 16:20 we might be podracing soon 16:20 aoei, I'm comfortable with Python 16:21 the code is not actually that complex 16:21 there's enough overhead in my development process already without blogging about it 16:21 could probably rewrite it from scratch with relative ease 16:21 nabru: this is good to know, as we are looking atr that for tnnt and tnnt stuff can likely be reused for some of what scoreboard is oding 16:21 i tried to learn to code/script and, yeah 16:21 turns out im better at OT 16:22 i wrot esome Rust prototype for serving JSON akin to a REST API for NHS 16:22 but fewer people are comfy in Rust 16:22 Python probs better 16:22 even still python is p. idiosyncratic 16:22 i can read python but not write it 16:22 whaddayaknow, same 16:22 except for most of the ability to read it 16:23 nabru: i think other important thing would be to have clearer goals and a roadmap published on the github page 16:23 yep 16:23 so ppl who would like to contribute can see in what diredction we wanna go 16:23 I like that hobbits carry food now 16:23 rust seems pretty readable for folks who know c++ ? 16:23 and how we thin kwe might get there 16:23 I forget tho 16:23 is that a xNet ism 16:24 hobbits should maybe carry snuff around sometimes 16:24 spicycat: i can't personally speak to that exactly, as I only really did C prior to rust 16:24 or did they pull that from 3.7 16:24 I think it's the former but hobbit food vending in vanilla would make human rogues' lives so much easier 16:24 spicycat: i think syntax wise there are similarities and also in *parts* of hte coding mentality (comparing to C here) / the low-level power you have with it 16:24 hell yeah hobbit farmer tables 16:25 but then rust is way super strict about a bunch of things C programmers do without thinking making apps shit the bed horribly 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 217 points, T:552, killed by a heavily wounded gnome lord 16:25 rust compiler made me rethink a lot of C habits 16:25 by the many many borrow checker errors 16:25 lol 16:26 im fairly comfy with borrow checker rules now but it was a steep curve to begin with 16:26 for me anyway 16:27 spicycat: there is a cool article comparing C and Rust kerio showed me https://kornel.ski/rust-c-speed 16:27 huh, stone box 16:27 haaaaaa 16:28 smartass engraving 16:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:64301 16:29 <@iatrocrat> man 16:29 <@iatrocrat> tome4 ascii is ugly as sin 16:29 ow 16:30 <@iatrocrat> it rlly is man 16:30 oh no I got dinged by an arrow for like 16:30 10 damage 16:30 <@iatrocrat> oh 16:30 elves are fraaaaail 16:30 stupid cold iron 16:30 huh. 16:30 tempting, this cloak 16:31 ah, robelessness doesn't affect spellcasting anymore 16:32 actually no might just be me 16:34 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 16:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:12900 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:12903 16:35 Oh right, naming Sting/Orcrist is a thing 16:36 imagine a mithril Sting/Orcrist in EvilHack 16:36 true orcslaying 16:36 yeeee 16:37 what's in a name 16:37 LOL 16:37 right after I converted an altar 16:37 convenience is convenience though 16:37 how u do that i forgot 16:38 #name 16:38 or [C] 16:38 OH wait you meant 16:38 oh. 16:38 converting an altar 16:38 6_9 right so 16:38 you just offer a sac on it 16:38 and your god conflicts with that altar's god 16:38 it's chance based 16:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:12411 16:38 failing is just a -1 Luck penalty 16:38 ahhhhhh 16:38 i didnt realize 16:38 ty 16:39 but success means it's co-aligned and then you can usually fix that right after 16:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2808 16:39 now co-aligned* 16:40 unicorns have special interactions with altars as well 16:41 tl;dr Never sac a co-aligned one and never match alignments between altar and uni corpse 16:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:13688 16:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:13702 16:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a slippery cloak entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:13057 16:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:13792 16:43 :I 16:44 and double-tapped by arrows 16:44 unfortunate 16:44 time to get my kid. nothing exciting to happen here until i get back, k? :) 16:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2111 16:44 feh, subpar play on my part there 16:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] Umbire (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 934 points, T:2193, killed by an arrow 16:45 Alright, 15 minutes before a meeting so 16:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:3286 16:45 !rng Arc gal | let CNT-FAI pick 16:45 Umbire: let CNT-FAI pick 16:45 You're the boss 16:45 CNT-FAI: 16:46 okay just had hto lose in tetris right quick 16:46 lemme see 16:46 <@iatrocrat> man 16:46 <@iatrocrat> im still pissed 16:46 <@iatrocrat> that i bought door in the woods 16:46 what am i picking 16:46 role 16:46 race 16:46 oh 16:46 actually 16:46 okay 16:46 <@iatrocrat> even after a year 16:46 hit the brakes on that 16:46 just in time 16:46 i was about to burn your ass but good 16:46 need to fix my options re: sexuality 16:47 o what you gonna put 16:47 and why are there only 3 lets have every possiblity pls aosdict 16:47 bi obvs 16:47 but like 16:47 fairplay 16:47 where is the toggle 16:47 ummmm not dsure 16:48 in rcfile it is OPTIONS=orientation:bisexual i believe 16:48 id be cautious being super inclusive on orientations bc there are some mixed feelings in the community about the implications of some wording choices ppl make online about theirs 16:48 is complex. 16:48 adding asexuality and a 'surprise me' option would do it IMO 16:48 i was kidding arouhnd ahhahaa 16:48 oh okay 16:48 but like so for me 16:49 tho i do kinda like pan as a thing 16:49 where the dicks is it! 16:49 ah see thats an example 16:49 bleah I'll go in from the web end 16:49 brb 16:49 like i usualy get a little squicked out being hit on by a poly person bc theres a certain aura of like...identifying themself as wanting me despite my lowered value in the market 16:50 thing I get what you're nudging at 16:50 think* 16:50 wait hang on 16:50 whats wrong with poly ppl lol 16:50 and/or gettin ghit on by poly ppl 16:51 nothing fpor the first question, dont paint me as some bigot 16:51 sorry dint quite mean that just 16:51 tryna figure out what ya meant 16:51 its cool but 16:51 right, looks like I have to add that bit myself 16:51 was expecting it to be there for me to tweak 6_9 16:52 i know that there are definitions of poly that dont imply that kind of stuff but it gets abstract to the point where im not sure whether to be offended that like, The Conversation~ has time to mince up this abstract definitional stuff but not to accept the rather important detail for my health and safety that for exmaple i'm bisexual in a way that generally does not involve men and my definition is much closer to that of the activists who coined the 16:52 term than the "bi equals men and women, poly equals also NB peoples" that is very prevalent 16:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14725 16:52 oh so you read the manifesto too 16:53 oh see i got super confused because you're saying poly when you mean pan 16:53 no i meant pan just a thinko that one time 16:53 sorry 16:53 bi was originally coined as meaning what people use pan for now 16:53 as I said, is complex 16:53 yeah im still not sure where i stand on that one 16:53 i liek the attempt at more explicit inclusivity 16:53 I'm not gonna narc about it, is a general JSYK 16:53 but 16:53 still have a lot of footing to find myself 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 6134 points, T:15103, killed by an uninjured soldier ant 16:54 safety wise it matters a lot more than i've ever seen acknowledged that im allowed to generally not be interested in men, that i am allowed to also be a dyke, that there is historical precedent for this, and that my presence in dyke spaces is not an intrusion by people who welcome come-ons from men 16:54 I'm pansexual, by which I mean, I'm lusting after something I can cook in the frying pan. 16:54 Pinkbeast: hahahahaha 16:54 :u 16:54 also simultaneously that being bi and an out trans woman does not mean that i take sexual attention from men as some kind of welcome empowerment, it is connected to most of the violent crimes i've been through 16:55 v. reasonable 16:55 i just claim to be bi, gay, or pan almost interchangeably 16:55 it sucks that for some it can all carry a lot of bagage 16:55 like i wish it went through mens' heads in public when they saw me that trying to make me accept their attentions is dangerous for me, that my fear and pain becomes funny to a lot of people which means even security guards don't help me when i'm very obviously being stalked and attacked in their stores 16:56 i can't take another heavy conversation 16:56 amateurhour: go play some slex 16:56 get that monk ascension 16:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 2463 points, T:2731, killed by a wounded fire ant 16:56 wouldn't it be a half-baked in that case aoei 16:56 and also (since a lot just dont care about consent) that it will be a fight and they might not win and we'd all be better off for it not happening 16:56 oh or make more food 16:56 (go team a!) 16:56 ama: this is YANI stuff 16:57 also feel free to resume your ass burning of me whenever you feel comfortable 16:57 anyway its *less* of a thing now but i've had a lot of pan people and some bi ppl be like So...my orientation is [pan/bi]...isn't that neat given you have the mixed set of sexual things, and shouldn't we be doing it 16:57 okay, human tourist 16:58 idek if you get to choose alignment 16:58 Always neutral 16:58 ah 16:58 oh wait phhbbhht 16:58 gender option is set to random 16:58 which, nbd 16:58 just forgot 16:58 oh 16:58 sick, they get shoes now 16:59 I admit I have come to see the appeal of DCSS's near-nonexistence of gender 16:59 Pinkbeast: that's legit 16:59 unironically wish kobold tourists were a thing 16:59 playable bolds in general but tourist esp. 16:59 yeah thats a good idea 17:00 the darts thing goes so well with them 17:00 (Uniques have a gender, but some of them are "they" or "it") 17:00 that sounds great Umbire 17:00 https://getpocket.com/explore/item/they-started-a-ned-flanders-metal-band-then-the-simpsons-called?utm_source=pocket-newtab lmfao 17:00 amateurhour: if/when I make a variant that's the first thing I'm doing 17:00 anyway im not specifically arguing for pan exclusion but there are definitely ppl who see some of the later orientations out there (particularly under the split attraction model) as cover for systemic mistreatment/abuse, adn in the case of pan im not thrilled when they do it in a way that implies i'm lucky they're so open-minded as to consider me, a person who is not expected to have straight/gay partners as an option 17:01 -!- stenno2 has left #hardfought 17:01 Characters don't and gods don't (although there is a certain amount of fanon there, eg Lugonu is almost always "she" because the original name of the god was the placeholder "Lucy") 17:02 Umbire let's make that 'when' and not 'if' :P 17:02 tldr is it's complicated and RPGs have encouraged thoughtlessly copy-pasting a huge list of attractions or genders or pronouns or what have you, before 17:02 Umbire: Don't do it, it's a fool's quest 17:02 lol @ link 17:03 Okilly Dokilly should be a team of monsters that fights you in your variant 17:03 <@princessSpicycat> dithmenos is clearly NB 17:03 I have an idea. let's try not talking about personal stuff for two hours 17:03 even when it's related to YANI 17:03 alright fine 17:04 I am not seeing how it is related 17:04 ideas for handling gender in roguelikes 17:04 aosdict: I like a lot of your ideas 17:04 aosdict: I like this one particularly a lot 17:04 in fact I think it's a winner 17:04 i dont mean to be confusing but i gather i should probably not explain in depth so as not to further torment you with heavy stuff from my life 17:05 CNT-FAI: frankly, yes 17:05 this is not a therapy group session 17:05 i get that and all 17:05 oversharing is a common autism thing so I understand from that angle 17:05 talking about heavy stuff from one's life a _little_ is one thing, but when every line of conversation seems to get dragged into it... 17:05 is probably for the best though 17:06 yeah im with aosdict 17:06 i do understand what Umbire is saying too i have a tendency to overshare myself a bit 17:06 mama said don't share personal details online. so I don't 17:06 noted 17:07 SICK 17:07 i have talked about my ex and shit here from time to time but hopefully not gone on about that too much lol 17:07 free fortune cookie 17:07 Umbire: you can thank nephi for that 17:07 ye I recall them making that suggestion 17:07 huh? I've never interacted with them or seen them 17:07 it was a 3.4.3 era patch 17:08 I recall coming across it in any case 17:08 from my wiki browsing 17:08 unnethack has it 17:08 which is where I got it 17:08 oo 17:08 personal stuff is genuinely on topic more than usual if you've been thrown into a lot of situations by existing/going outside, but i appreciate the constructive criticism and am now making more of an effort to save the lions share of that stuff for more fully appropriate venues 17:08 save the lions! 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2831 17:09 in this book i'm reading just now they went extinct :( 17:09 :c 17:09 CNT-FAI: you're appreciated as well 17:09 almost no one in here has actually contributed to the grimdark shit so i see how it's not fair to throw it all out there every time it's sort-of-apropos 17:09 if the personal stuff isn't nethack or server related, I don't really see how it's more on topic than anyone else's personal stuff 17:10 i take your point 17:10 -!- mwehner has joined #hardfought 17:10 just to get into the black on that ledger, umbire i am watching the tourist run (though still tetris battling also) 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law), 833 points, T:3095, killed by a wounded water demon 17:13 Well my connection's sketching up 17:13 gonna need a sec 17:15 bothersome 17:15 hm 17:16 alright, back in the saddle 17:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:19 oooooooooooooooooo 17:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:19 plat lamp 17:24 <@princessSpicycat> a platinum lamp, or plastic key, is exactly why i find object materials boring. it's still just a lamp/key! 17:25 Ok. 17:25 <@princessSpicycat> the iron allergy is useful though, it helps me pick which species to play ๐Ÿ˜„ 17:25 <@princessSpicycat> (not elf) 17:25 having silver or iron lamp is kind of pragmatic though 17:25 Coward. 17:25 And yeah, you're not reliant on a random saber or set of arrows spawning for your silver in gehennom 17:27 don't the materials even affect item weight? 17:27 <@Computer Man> Guys what yall think of psychology 17:28 mostly based on experiments that have been riddled with bullet holes, needs deep rethink 17:28 Muad: Yeah they do 17:29 the iron allergy is fine btw just gotta balance it out 17:29 Umbire, that sounds useful for e.g. tinning kits 17:29 https://twitter.com/dril/status/648902482458988544 17:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:45902 17:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:45907 17:30 yeah, a wooden tinning kit that isn't hell on inventory weight 17:31 dream come true 17:34 <@princessSpicycat> you got one or you hoping? 17:34 Hoping 17:35 base material is iron? 17:36 mithril would be even better 17:36 for tinning kits? 17:36 yeah? 17:36 I mean isn't wood one of the lighter mats 17:36 hmmm 17:36 it's the weight I'm concerned about in its case 17:37 tinning kits are good but heavy so I'd like a material that solves the former problem 17:38 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:38 on the evilhack wiki page wood and mithril have the same "density" 17:38 oh huh 17:38 then mithril it is! 17:38 I don't know if that means the same weight... 17:38 -!- mwehner has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:42 wood items should float in water, get coding K2 17:43 lol 17:43 wouldn't that also rot them unless they were dried soon 17:43 bam, more towel uses 17:44 <@princessSpicycat> yevili: if you have a large enough wooden item you can't drown 17:45 <@princessSpicycat> there was no way for me to say that without innuendo sorry 17:45 haha 17:45 <@princessSpicycat> blame the gods for creating trees idk 17:45 just lean into it 17:45 that idea is the Best of All Time 17:58 the BOAT? idk doesn't sound that great 18:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 30651 points, T:10906, killed by an Uruk-hai 18:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3129 18:02 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:46064 18:04 lol 18:05 !8ball will i go to bed at a reasonable hour this evening? 18:05 aoei: Cannot predict now 18:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:981 18:09 <@Computer Man> !8ball will aoei go to bed at a reasonable hour this evening 18:09 @Computer Man: It is decidedly so 18:09 <@Computer Man> you got it. 18:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 3839 points, T:4495, killed by a warg 18:12 <@Computer Man> go d team! 18:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:1363 18:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:488 18:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Arc Hum Mal Law), 377 points, T:730, killed by a moderately wounded homunculus 18:20 <@Computer Man> go i team? 18:22 <@Computer Man> why chat ded :c 18:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 20194 points, T:5148, killed by Mr. Annootok, the shopkeeper 18:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a gold oval amulet on an altar, on T:4188 18:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:346 18:37 -!- spicycat has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 18:38 !8ball are 8ball answers certified sauce? 18:38 CNT-FAI: As I see it, yes 18:38 yea i mean 18:38 necessarily one must obey Beholder 18:38 !8ball are you going to let me order the mild sauce 18:38 CNT-FAI: Don't count on it 18:38 mamma mia 18:39 <@Umby> YEAH so uh 18:39 <@Computer Man> !8ball should i eat this stale rotten meat 18:39 @Computer Man: It is decidedly so 18:39 dammit umby 18:39 where u go 18:39 <@Umby> wireless is wonkin' out, meeting's over so I plan to head inside anyway 18:39 obey the ball 18:39 <@Computer Man> it isn't an applicable answer 18:39 <@Umby> got some stuff to fridge but once I do that I'll be right back with yas 18:39 <@Computer Man> ill shake it again 18:39 oh sure 18:39 <@Computer Man> !8ball 18:39 @Computer Man: My sources say no 18:39 okey 18:40 <@Computer Man> alright 18:40 my dude said it is decidedly the case that you should eat the meat 18:40 <@Computer Man> 8 ball wont make me die 18:40 you're just confusing it with the second shake move 18:40 that's darksiding 18:40 <@Computer Man> they cancel each other out 18:40 <@Computer Man> i just dont wanna eat the meat 18:40 !8ball am I god's gift and simply da drop dead gawj 18:40 aoei: Reply hazy try again 18:40 i do not know your strange physics 18:40 dammit 18:40 !8ball who is the fairest of them all 18:40 aoei: My reply is no 18:40 that doesnt answer the question 18:40 beho's got a point though 18:41 <@Computer Man> !8ball answer his question 18:41 @Computer Man: Cannot predict now 18:41 her* 18:41 an objective fairest raises quantum issues 18:41 <@Computer Man> ah ye 18:41 <@Computer Man> sorry 18:41 CNT-FAI: lol tru 18:41 <@Computer Man> always gets me 18:41 it doesn't have to 18:41 <@Computer Man> also how come she 18:41 just try to remember women are allowed to use computers 18:41 !8ball does my crush like me 18:41 aoei: Don't count on it 18:41 <@Computer Man> there are only guys on the internet 18:41 noooooo 18:41 <@Computer Man> lmao 18:42 beholder say it ain't so 18:42 <@Computer Man> i just assume everyone online is a guy tbh 18:42 that is the problem we are discussing yes 18:42 <@Computer Man> not something inherently wrong 18:42 <@Computer Man> it's just habit 18:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:46495 18:42 not something... stop , dont engage 18:42 <@Computer Man> just inform me and correct me a few times 18:42 dont 18:42 feed 18:42 troll 18:42 <@Computer Man> and it works nicely 18:42 that's nto how it works 18:42 yeah no 18:42 you demonstrably do not react that way when corrected 18:43 <@Computer Man> "ah ye, sorry" 18:43 <@Computer Man> what was i supposed to do then 18:43 for her yeah 18:43 srsly CNT-FAI don't engage 18:43 its not worht 18:43 <@Computer Man> oh it is 18:43 <@Computer Man> amusing even 18:43 that means i'm going to keep getting misgendered gleefully with no apology 18:43 which is an issue 18:43 <@Computer Man> nah 18:44 ok fair but i personally intend to just ignore this individual 18:44 FIQ: Yes, gourmand is meant to be ridiculous. 18:44 i don't think this guy cares about what mods have been pulling him aside and talking about, so at this point my issue is not with him, it's with how i'm being asked to just take it with a smile 18:44 i do not think it is worth talking to them 18:44 FIQ: There's a reason I didn't implement tracking it in Fourk. 18:44 i do not think you should be smiling about this 18:44 that's fine for you because he's not repeatedly and gleefully misgendering you with no apology 18:45 and i will not longer try to tell you what to do 18:45 that was wrong of me 18:45 im just gonna do the ignoring thing myself 18:45 CNT-FAI: you're basically asking for him to be kicked off discord right 18:45 well i do appreciate that 18:45 aosdict: this outcome may well happen anyway if he keeps up some of his crap 18:45 above my pay grade, but i can say the quiet talks are not achieving their goal 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Necromancer, on T:20291 18:46 i'm also not going to ask for someone to be kicked ont he same day i've caused problems on my own, on principle. i'm just saying this appears to be an ongoing issue 18:47 i just like this picture: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/On_the_Internet%2C_nobody_knows_you're_a_dog 18:47 and there's no mechanism to block 18:47 yeah the fact that you cannot easily ignore someone from discord side here without ignoring the entire discored bridge 18:47 i'm doing my best to ignore it but i don't see pretending there is no issue as a constructive activity for me 18:47 is problematic 18:47 unfortuantely 18:47 it really isn't a chronic problem. all other instances of misgendering I'm aware of in this channel, going back years, the person has civilly corrected the other person and the other person has politely apologized 18:47 that's neat for them 18:48 <@mtf> ffs is this still going on 18:48 i mean that's my question 18:48 <@Computer Man> limited by the technology of your time 18:48 <@mtf> @Computer Man if you're going to refer to CNT, though I would rather you didn't from now on, please refer to her by her preferred pronouns 18:48 he's joking about it 18:48 <@Computer Man> i did 18:48 i don't think it makes me a child or a troll to notice that 18:48 has never happened, he is lying 18:48 <@Computer Man> also apologized when misgendering aoei a moment ago 18:49 did not apologize to me and it is a serial issue at this point 18:49 he's very open about how fun that is for him 18:49 mft he also made the rather aggravatinga nd sexist "only men exist on the internet" `joke` 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2009 18:49 so what am i supposed to do with that 18:49 at aroujnd the same time as event just mentiohned 18:49 <@mtf> yes, I saw 18:49 which imo goes a bit past just misgendering 18:50 and respectful apology 18:50 also, it's been a repated, openly gleeful thing with no apology 18:50 but i dont really want to get into it too much 18:50 i have said my peace on th ematter 18:50 you do what you think is best mtf 18:50 piece* 18:50 i'm really trying not to care about this here but he's kind of having fun with the moderation as much as with me, here 18:50 <@mtf> if there were a normal discord issue I would tell both of you to block each other and move on 18:50 <@mtf> but alas, I cannot do that here 18:51 ok so computer man seems on board with not misgendering people anymore. now can we drop it and move on, or are there more grievances 18:51 is the apology now not required 18:51 aosdict: im still kinda pissed about the sexist non-joke 18:51 ^^^^^ 18:51 to be quite honest 18:51 and i'm not okay with being cast as the instigator for noticing that it's gleeful, serial, and no apology seems to be forthcoming and that that is a fun joke for this guy 18:51 with no aparent consequences 18:51 but i also do not want to dwell on conflict etc. 18:51 and should go to bed anyway 18:51 i'm really frustrated that i'm still having to say any of this 18:52 <@mtf> CNT you're being cast as an instigator for multiple reasons 18:52 and we are discussing one in particular 18:52 <@mtf> you know how often I have to come in here and sort things out? 18:52 <@mtf> almost never 18:52 and so misgendering me serially and gleefully with no apology is good now? 18:52 bc that is the topic, aside from the sexist joke about how misgendering is good 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wizard, on T:20322 18:52 you realize no one can reach through the internet and make someone apologize for jerkish behavior 18:52 the rld bot defenitely needs some sort of ignore capability, or at the very least, some temporary /quiet capability. 18:53 so now there are no rules 18:53 <@mtf> yea I'm not sure what you want me to do here... my job is not to make you guys be friends 18:53 <@mtf> it is to make sure the community doesn't have friction and continues to be on topic 18:53 no i'm saying that this stuff about how one should stop misgendering and give an apology is not a real thing 18:53 <@mtf> if you don't like each other, don't interact 18:53 it's being made up to justify making me the villain 18:53 <@mtf> and if anybody has any problems, come to me or k2 18:53 <@mtf> and we'll sort it out 18:53 i don't believe that 18:53 <@mtf> dude nobody is making shit up 18:53 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:54 <@mtf> I can see the chat log 18:54 <@mtf> you understand this right 18:54 that's what's confusing me 18:54 <@mtf> I see issues on both sides 18:54 mtf on some networks where i hang out sexist or a racist joke are a 15 minute kick at minimum 18:54 we are discussing one that has been portrayed as pretty clear cut in this channel 18:54 arahael, people need to use irc clients with more advanced ignore options 18:54 and repeated offenses result in ban 18:54 the misgendering is clearly supposed to stop and there is clearly supposed to be an apology 18:54 now, im not saying you have to have the same standards or rules necessariluy 18:54 it's really frustrating that i'm in the position of saying these things 18:54 im just making the comparison 18:54 arahael: yeah I could configure irssi to ignore the string "<@mtf>" if I so chose 18:55 is that so hard, offering a solution? 18:55 <@Computer Man> aoei: sorry about it then, didn't think the "joke" through that angle 18:55 aosdict, Muad: in this particular case, perhaps. 18:55 i'll try to look for a string muter but i don't get why we are pretending there is a misgendering rule 18:55 <@mtf> thank you computer 18:55 and yeah true there should be ignore options like that too 18:55 <@mtf> how about this 18:55 that's all i'm saying right now 18:56 <@mtf> @Computer Man you apologize to CNT here for any misgendering / offense that has happened, and @CNT-FAI you apologize for being super hostile 18:56 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 18:57 <@Computer Man> works. 18:57 <@Computer Man> sorry cnt 18:57 i have already apologized for this 18:57 * aosdict facepalms 18:57 <@mtf> this is really easy fai 18:57 just make nice CNT-FAI 18:57 pls 18:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3300 18:57 i really hope that's true and i apologize for what i've done here 18:57 <@mtf> good enough for me 18:57 <@mtf> lets just move on 18:57 cool 18:57 <@Computer Man> yeah, friendship! 18:57 what'd I miss? 18:57 <@Computer Man> woo! 18:58 thank you both 18:58 ay 18:58 xaleth no 18:58 <@mtf> and if anything else continues, please let me know so we can handle it appropriately 18:58 Xaleth: Don't read the backscroll. Just don't. 18:58 alr bet 18:58 <@Computer Man> how is it gonna be handled 18:58 I just joined so don't worry, jonadab 18:58 Ah, good. 18:58 thanks, i can see that that is the better way 18:58 Xaleth, the topic says there are public irc logs available! 18:58 yeah but do not go in there 18:58 WHEW 18:58 haha true 18:59 Xaleth: The short version is, some people were fighting. 18:59 Xaleth: since your name starts with X why don't you play some X? new version released today 18:59 <@mtf> repeated offences are met with mutes and then bans 18:59 aosdict: plug that variant 18:59 and lets play some vidya 18:59 i'm going to try to make the whole thing moot 18:59 which brings me to my next question 18:59 love that shameless plug 18:59 lesgo 18:59 I still say Tourist is the best role in NetHack. 19:00 Because it's _fun to play_. 19:00 jonadab: that's legit 19:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:3674 19:00 how, exactly, do i ignore a given string in any client with a windows port that someone in here is willing to explain 19:00 Yall ever remember that dude who had a first ascension as a tourist? 19:00 i heard irssi and i'm guessing there are others 19:00 <@luxidream> no it isn't 19:00 aoei: your name starts with a letter that's 23 letters before x. why don't you play some x? 19:00 <@luxidream> source: have played tourist 19:00 lol aos 19:00 aosdict: LOL 19:00 <@luxidream> it's not incredibly boring but is by no means the most interesting role to play 19:00 aosdict: I have been awake for over 24 hours 19:00 take the x 19:00 coffee 19:00 what are you talking about not fun to play lux 19:01 you start with darts 19:01 they are amazing 19:01 it's the happiest pill on earth 19:01 favorite roles are subjective 19:01 tell me u werent' having fun when you beat me on live stream as tourist 19:01 I find tourist fun 19:01 luxidream your name has an x and you know what that means 19:01 the council has spoken 19:01 CNT-FAI, i ran irssi on windows with cygwin, but i suppose that's only reasonable if one is already used to irssi 19:01 I played the tourist but can't even go past level 3 19:01 cuz yknow i suck 19:01 <@iatrocrat> best role is priest tbh 19:01 cap 19:01 it's monk 19:02 If you have Windows Ten, you could probably run irssi in WSL. Which is easier to install than Cygwin. 19:02 i'm willing to switch clients because someone chooses to explain how to do it in that given client 19:02 But if you don't already know how to use irssi and have it configured, weechat, which is newer, might be a better choice. 19:02 and in weechat, do you happen to know how to block a line with a given string? 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:3154 19:02 weechat's what I use and it's a great client to tell others you're forever alone without telling them you're forever alone 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 830 points, T:3166, killed by an uninjured small mimic, while fainted from lack of food 19:02 lol 19:03 idk if you can block lines, but it's all in the config docs and it's very extensive 19:03 CNT-FAI: https://weechat.org/files/doc/devel/weechat_faq.en.html#ignore_vs_filter 19:03 <@Computer Man> jonadab: tourist>>>>>>>>>>>>>else 19:03 that sounds like a specific enough RTFM that i can hopefully figure it out 19:04 You can also do things like /help filter 19:04 i don't mean to be demanding it's more that i have extra fatigue from the vaccine and RTFMing is slightly less of a go-to today 19:04 ohhhhh right 19:04 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 19:04 okay i think that does the trick in my client 19:04 thank you 19:04 <@Computer Man> test test 19:04 <@Computer Man> probably worked 19:04 <@Computer Man> !8ball did it work 19:04 @Computer Man: Ask again later 19:05 beholder is unforutnately right 19:05 <@Computer Man> cmon beholder 19:05 *italic test* 19:05 how to do formatting? 19:05 i just need a minute to R the FM 19:05 <@Computer Man> great question 19:05 <@Computer Man> italic worked btw 19:05 Italic is /like this/ traditionally. 19:05 haha my client is janky and does neither, though its probably scriptable 19:05 Though I suppose if your client renders it, you might not see the slashes. 19:05 It doesn't render in weechat, but @Computer Man's italic message rendered 19:05 *Bold*. /Italic/. _Underlined_. 19:05 <@Computer Man> do you guys use irc italic and that bridges in 19:05 Yeah it doesn't render :( 19:06 The old usenet convention was underscores for underline, asterisk for bold, slash for italic. Surround a word with one of thoser. 19:06 <@Computer Man> or do you do discord things for it to work here 19:06 nayway i've agreed to not interact either way, so the technical issue is moot, i just appreciate the irc refresher 19:06 weechat can do this with '/help filter' 19:06 Some IRC clients support these conventions, others don't. But bear in mind that the original idea was that the user would understand what it meant. 19:06 yeah adi seems to have thought this out 19:07 Some mailreaders support them as well. And reddit, of all things. 19:07 i've read a man file or two in my day i will work it out 19:07 I saw some italics in my irssi a while ago, once, but never again after that. Still wondering how that worked 19:07 these are syntax in markdown flavors for a reason 19:07 jonadab: reddit is just a slightly specific flavor of markdown 19:07 all sorts of applications use these conventions 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4688 19:07 reddit is just "Imagine if a computer could be heterosexual" 19:07 by dint of using markdown 19:08 can we not derail again please 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:4815 19:08 Disregard 19:08 I'm talking just about the syntax for comments/text posts on reddit nothing more 19:09 i dont think my *terminal* supports itallics. 19:09 I heard there were subreddits on there related to roguelike games. NetHack, and Brogue, maybe some others. 19:09 arahael: That's entirely possible. 19:09 (That it doesn't, I mean.) 19:09 that's true, and fortuantely if you were to make like you were going to post something to reddit, i think it pretty much tells you next to the input window how to do the thing 19:09 <@mtf> jona do you never gon on reddit? 19:09 <@mtf> go on* 19:09 Also, historically, many style guides treat italics and underline as equivalent. 19:09 Occasionally, @mtf. 19:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:10 this is because Italians are from Uranus 19:10 <@mtf> I woulda figured you'd be all over r/nethack and r/brogueforum ๐Ÿ˜› 19:10 I'm rarely on reddit but I went on today to post the release announcement 19:10 <@luxidream> >(This is the only part of the vanilla 3.7.0 crystal ball overhaul that has been included in xNetHack.) 19:10 @mtf Whenever I do go on reddit, those are key among the subreddits I care most about, yes. 19:10 <@luxidream> aosdict: did you not like vanilla's crystal ball buff? 19:10 i actually love that if you explained the etymology of the word italics you would have to do the italian hand talking and say "Like a-this" 19:10 @mtf But I go on reddit about as often as I go on slashdot. Maybe less. 19:10 <@mtf> wait how was crystal ball buffed 19:10 @luxidream no not really 19:10 <@luxidream> it now finds stairs 19:11 <@mtf> slashdot, man, now there's a site I haven't heard about in forever 19:11 <@mtf> @luxidream ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 19:11 <@luxidream> and requires less int if it's your quest artifact 19:11 ๐Ÿ˜„ emoji test 19:11 <@luxidream> and also gets more charges 19:11 <@mtf> thats awesome 19:11 crystal ball now finds interesting posts on /. 19:11 CNT-FAI: monafugatsa 19:11 @luxidream it also still paralyzes you 19:11 mamma mia 19:11 @mtf: I know, I'm old. I'm so old, I remember when yahoo was hosted on akebono. 19:11 <@luxidream> right, but it's much more useful now 19:12 i am almost, but not quite, old enough to remember when fox was only broadcast on the weekends 19:12 <@mtf> next thing you're gonna tell me is that you still go on usenet 19:12 Not much lately. 19:12 for realsies you go on usenet in 2021 19:12 I probably would, if I still had a decent nntp feed. 19:12 @luxidream in general, xNetHack had already buffed the crystal ball more generously than vanilla 19:12 There's the rub 19:12 <@mtf> brb messing my friends through telnet 19:12 <@mtf> messaging* 19:13 I'm old enough to know what a nintendo DS XL looks like 19:13 by chance, is the crystal bull buff (existing) covered in the xnh post on the wiki 19:13 <@mtf> I still have my original gameboy 19:13 ONe of the people in #ascension.run still advocates gopher protocol. 19:13 <@Computer Man> so /b/ would come out as b? 19:13 that person is kind of right 19:13 <@Computer Man> whats the gopher protocol 19:14 it's when you go get someone a coffee becuase they're fixing your computer 19:14 oh right, string ignoring 19:14 gopher was a protocol for hierarchically organized hypertext. 19:14 the xnh wiki page of course covers its crystal ball buff 19:14 <@Computer Man> no need to be aggressive 19:14 <@Computer Man> that's extremely petty 19:14 <@mtf> @Computer Man it's a stock apparently 19:14 <@mtf> https://www.barchart.com/stocks/quotes/GOPH 19:14 It was somewhat popular, until the www was introduced, and then the www pretty much completely took over all the functions gopher had previously been used for, within about six months. 19:14 that is neat 19:15 but it was still used in some industries 19:15 <@Computer Man> all-in GOPH 19:15 <@mtf> penny stocks are where its at ๐Ÿ˜› 19:15 <@Computer Man> mtf are you a day trader 19:15 Oh neat that you dont waste the charge on a typo aos 19:15 never trust a protocol that has a stock ticker 19:16 i like that a lot re: x's general attitude 19:16 <@mtf> nah, I put all my money in QQQ and SPY like a regular boomer 19:16 <@luxidream> doesn't find stairs 19:16 <@luxidream> boooooo 19:16 uh, yeah it does? 19:16 <@Computer Man> i wanna be a trader when i grow up 19:16 <@Computer Man> weeeeee 19:16 EPI: sometimes the stairs just randomly don't generate. You can work around this problem by digging down, using levelport, or cursed potions of gain level. 19:16 i wanna be something when i grow up too (i'm 37) 19:17 <@mtf> I just want to stop experiencing RSI when I grow up ๐Ÿ˜ฆ 19:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5764 19:17 <@Computer Man> whats RSI 19:17 if you know where a stairs is at any time, that's cheating 19:17 <@mtf> my doctor just diagnosed me with cubital tunnel and mild carpal tunnel ๐Ÿ˜ข 19:17 ouchcore 19:17 <@luxidream> rip mtf 19:17 RSI is the general category of injury to which the more famous carpel tunnel syndrome belongs. 19:17 <@mtf> using a keyboard right now is pain 19:17 <@luxidream> too much rogueliking 19:17 <@Computer Man> rip hand 19:18 Also tennis elbow. 19:18 <@luxidream> maybe this will be my fate soon 19:18 you can map keys to your bluetooth joystick 19:18 @luxidream where are you getting the idea that you can't detect dungeon features with xnh crystal ball 19:18 *carpal 19:18 <@mtf> sitting in a chair for 16 hours a day probably isn't good for me 19:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1114 points, T:1878, rt[0:08:22], wc[0:08:23], killed by a wounded dwarf 19:18 the bitch of it is 8 way nav bvut this is explicitly covered with roguelikes in mind 19:18 <@luxidream> "(This is the only part of the vanilla 3.7.0 crystal ball overhaul that has been included in xNetHack.)" 19:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:19 <@luxidream> suggesting you reverted all 3.7.0 changes except for the paralysis when you are hallucinating 19:19 you just need a disciplined and healthy thumb, which may mean it's too late for some people in the chat 19:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 32 points, T:83, rt[0:00:28], wc[0:00:31], killed by an uninjured sewer rat, while praying 19:19 * jonadab thinks you should *have* to be hallucinating, to get any useful information out of a crystal ball. 19:19 <@mtf> actually numpad seems to be a lot less painful on my hands than amouse 19:19 @luxidream where is that text... it's not on the xnh wiki page 19:19 <@luxidream> changelog 19:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a pit fiend, on T:3020 19:20 i think any new solution would be better pain wise 19:20 using different muscles in differnet uh angles 19:20 it's the only thing added from the overhaul 19:20 I think detection of dungeon features was present before that 19:21 also icing, medication and proper pillowing 19:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1351 19:21 <@luxidream> detection of dungeon features is relatively new 19:21 i knew a carpla tunnel guy who played caveman 19:22 <@luxidream> is there another overhaul that I'm not aware of 19:22 <@luxidream> this is what I had in mind 19:22 <@luxidream> https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack/commit/28fb6fc67b40316356d7c6464e88cb611bf1b60a 19:23 <@deathsushi> The fact that crystal balls way a billion pounds, and only have like 5 charges seems silly to me 19:23 <@deathsushi> Like, surely we can make them worse 19:23 they're half weight in xnh 19:23 <@deathsushi> Maybe we could have them explode a random item in your inventory each time you use them or something 19:23 i think if they can be made worse that would probably be ideal 19:24 <@deathsushi> Agreed 19:24 ok luxi fine you found a slight inaccuracy in the changelog 19:24 <@deathsushi> Summon a random Lich class each time you use it 19:24 i detect a hint of Stress 19:24 <@mtf> when you use a crystal ball, a genie appears, steals your bag of holding, and throws it into a nearby pond 19:24 <@deathsushi> 01-MTF haha, yes 19:24 <@deathsushi> BTW, how come you guys have cool colours on your name? 19:24 <@deathsushi> And mine is boring-ass white 19:24 probably paying discord $$$ 19:25 <@deathsushi> Ah yes 19:25 <@luxidream> nah 19:25 <@deathsushi> $_$ 19:25 i *believe* it has to do with whether you displease your god with your nightly routine 19:25 <@luxidream> you can set a role based on your favorite game 19:25 <@mtf> on the discord side you can choose roles (pingable roles that update you on game news / stream notifications) and role factions (these let you choose your color, can only have one) 19:25 <@luxidream> my favorite game is nethack so I am blue 19:25 <@mtf> @deathsushi check out the #bot-commands channel, there's instructions pinned to the top 19:25 <@deathsushi> https://images-cdn.9gag.com/photo/aMjAvq6_700b.jpg 19:25 you're blue because you wish you were playing x 19:25 <@deathsushi> RE: displeasing god 19:26 you got it 19:26 he's super strict on alignment issues 19:26 i guess techjnically the problem is picking the wrong alignment 19:26 <@deathsushi> !listfactions 19:27 <@deathsushi> Okay, life is good now 19:27 <@deathsushi> Thank you 19:28 <@luxidream> "Monkeys get a short, one-time burst of speed after stealing an item." 19:28 <@luxidream> not like this 19:28 thank jonadab for that one 19:28 the inspiration at least, implementation is different 19:29 that's some serious crystal ball buffing, aos 19:29 <@luxidream> heh, he always complains about brogue monkeys 19:29 i just looked it up 19:31 <@luxidream> "Chaotics no longer incur a -1 alignment record penalty for angering peaceful monsters." 19:31 <@luxidream> this is interesting 19:31 <@luxidream> do they still take the alignment record penalty for killing the peaceful though?' 19:31 <@mtf> always thought that should be the case 19:31 right like chaotic 19:31 I didn't mentally prepare for today to be the luxidream-picks-everything-apart session 19:31 :D 19:32 <@luxidream> lol well it's release day ๐Ÿ˜„ 19:32 <@deathsushi> Is this the changelog for xnethack? 19:32 <@luxidream> so it's the first I'm hearing of some of these 19:32 there's I think still the very rare penalty for killing a peaceful without angering it 19:33 but afaik there is no penalty for killing a now-hostile, former-peaceful, because the game doesn't track that 19:35 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:35 i guess that makes sense 19:35 here's a question for xnh/evilhack players: since you can keep your pets satiated to avoid them nabbing your corpses off the floor, does it really feel like there is more need for preventative measures (e.g. implementing some of the suggestions like pets eat corpses progressively rather than in one gulp) 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10273 points, T:6732, quit 19:36 I tend to think that there isn't, but want to know what players think 19:36 <@deathsushi> I've not found pets eating corpses a big issue 19:36 My only complaint is corpses going to waste 19:36 same 19:36 (Personal Problemโ„ข) 19:37 <@deathsushi> IT's annoying like... once in a while 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 26 points, T:155, killed by a nearly deceased sewer rat 19:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:37 and not being able to have them hoover up troll corpses 19:37 like if anything it'd be like, your pet being especially interested in food that already has your saliva on it 19:37 makes for far more interesting gameplay overall though 19:37 that at least is how real world pets/service animals work 19:37 <@luxidream> pets get more nutrition for corpses than you do 19:37 <@luxidream> so they become satiated quickly 19:38 it's just the usual trope of not realizing how convenient feeding dead trolls to pets is 19:38 until it's gone 19:38 @luxidream we're all just waiting on the right wizard to invent the 'nutrition transference' spell and solve world hunger 19:38 aoei: 19:39 <@luxidream> YASI: if you eat your pet's corpse, the amount of nutrition it conveys is dependent on its hunger before it died 19:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 162 points, T:1048, [0:02:15], killed by a wounded hobbit 19:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:40 ew 19:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3284 19:44 YANI: Reduce the spell level and the utility of the magic mapping spell; instead of mapping the entire level it asks you to choose a center point and maps an area in a circle (square?) around that point, in a radius dependent on your divination skill. Scrolls would still map the full level. 19:45 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 55662 points, T:11615, killed by a monster (invisible Mr. Papar, the shopkeeper) 19:45 Isn't that just bootleg clairvoyance at that point? 19:45 -!- Roho has joined #hardfought 19:46 The ol' invisible shopkeeper again, eh? 19:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 599 points, T:1667, [0:06:52], killed by a wounded dwarf 19:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:47 Umbire: I guess it could potentially merge into the spell of clairvoyance 19:47 Maybe just cap the spell at replicating an unskilled scroll? 19:47 Iunno, hmm 19:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:47828 19:48 unskilled scroll? what? 19:49 <@iatrocrat> literacy skill? 19:49 uncursed scroll, brain transcluded 19:50 if (u.uconduct.literate > 500) map_all_the_things(); 19:50 <@luxidream> that's vanilla behavior 19:50 uncursed scroll of mapping already shows everything except secret doors 19:50 Oh 19:50 Interesting 19:50 <@luxidream> also don't nerf magic mapping plz 19:51 it's too powerful as a spell 19:51 Gehennom with a finite amount of scrolls would ded a lot of speedrun strats 19:51 Increase the spell level then? 19:51 <@luxidream> it's so hard to cast already 19:51 <@iatrocrat> magic mapping + detect treasure = ez pz gehennom 19:51 <@luxidream> requires skilled 19:51 which you'd think would be a fair tradeoff for the benefit 19:51 yeah but then you just sail through gehennom 19:52 Which is reliant on being a bunch of mazes 19:52 what if you couldn't map the entire level, but also had some way of pinpointing the stairs 19:52 <@iatrocrat> magic mapping wont show you the downstair upstair 19:52 <@luxidream> I thought we wanted less tedium in nethack, not more? 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5809 points, T:4177, killed by a bolt of fire 19:52 <@luxidream> also that sounds good 19:52 Umbire: yeah this might be moot in xnethack depending on how plans for gehennom overhaul coalesce 19:52 <@iatrocrat> actually yea 19:52 That does sound like a fair trade off re: stairs 19:52 <@iatrocrat> detect stair 19:53 I do want to say a stair-detection method that's less expensive than crystal balls would ruin a lot of the exploration aspect of the game, but what's exploration for me can be tedium for you 19:53 <@luxidream> also I'm not sure what the intention was by making certain pregen levels unmappable 19:54 <@deathsushi> aosdict: what are the plans for overhaul? 19:54 The idea that they're p. constant to a point anyway 19:54 thus not much to map 19:54 and/or maybe still wanting there to be some work in sussing out stuff 19:54 @deathsushi they're vague 19:54 could magic mapping be nerfed on specific levels 19:54 I want a new level generator 19:54 <@deathsushi> 19:55 make it look like demons actually make their home there 19:55 K2 probably had that in mind with the "Mines but also lava" approach he took 19:55 <@deathsushi> Instead of just a maze 19:55 potential ideas for some interesting way of having a finite number of special keys to open special doors, which there are more of than the keys 19:55 <@deathsushi> The rooms instead of pure mazes helps 19:56 the rooms are a stopgap. eventually there should be no mazes 19:56 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2280, rt[0:09:28] 19:56 except possibly the VS level depending on how nostalgic I'm feeling when I get rid of the other ones 19:56 So basically dNet's alignment keys? 19:56 Or something in that vein 19:56 I dunno how alignment keys work but my impression is they're unique and hardcoded to 9 or something 19:57 Iunno, long as we don't end up recreating shaped keys again 19:57 <@luxidream> just bring back shaped keys ๐Ÿ™ƒ 19:57 <@luxidream> what could possibly go wrong 19:57 shaped keys are specifically in my notes as "do not bring them back" 19:57 nero and I had a long discussion about what the point of keys in a game like nethack actually is 19:58 Not kicking in doors and thus alerting everyone on the level to your presence 19:58 <@iatrocrat> lock doors on handless monsters 19:58 Securing stashes from not-gelatinous cubes 19:58 <@iatrocrat> survived this way multiple times tbh 19:58 Esp. in the early game 20:00 <@luxidream> what was your conclusion? 20:00 Did aoei die again> 20:00 ?* 20:01 <@luxidream> went to sleep I think 20:01 Aw 20:01 rip in pillows 20:02 there are three possible uses of a non-ordinary key; 1) needed to progress the game (e.g. zelda boss key), 2) unlocks a one-off side reward, 3) the keys are limited use unlike standard ones, but open things standard ones don't, and are a scarce resource 20:02 <@Computer Man> Cmon bros 20:03 <@Computer Man> Lets talk OT, nethack is boring 20:03 Go away. 20:03 Or you shall replace him with a very small shell script? 20:03 don't harsh my design discussions 20:03 just use colored keys like in ZZT 20:03 Would that I even knew what that means, jonadab 20:03 But in any case I'm leaning towards 2 here 20:04 <@luxidream> is it necessary to have a key to unlock a side reward 20:04 I dunno, that's not the intended use case here 20:04 <@luxidream> just have it open up after you complete the objective 20:04 <@Computer Man> Like soko zoo 20:04 just had a goofy ass idea 20:04 <@Computer Man> Keys are extremely onerous 20:05 If you kill one of Croesus's guards successfully you get keys to certain vault pathways 20:05 maybe you have a randomly generated fancy chest somewhere that can only be opened with a key you find in a side branch. that way you get the side reward while still sticking to procgen and not hardcoding everything 20:05 how about a dungeon mayor who gives you the Key to the City 20:05 the Key to Yendor 20:05 yar 20:05 Yendor Township Sheriff 20:05 Rif the Pirate 20:06 <@Computer Man> The wizard has a key that can be stolen 20:06 Some variants actually have the Pirate Patch in out the box 20:06 i love the mixed world terms like "Yendorian Fuel Tax" 20:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 4223 points, T:3393, rt[0:19:27], wc[0:19:28], killed by a deceased green mold 20:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1370 points, T:3383, killed by a wounded soldier ant 20:06 CNT-FAI: Anachronisms are good troping 20:06 go team a! 20:06 <@Computer Man> Good for the variants with stealing 20:06 genuinely might name my bzflag team Ball Fondlers 20:06 <@Computer Man> Whats bzflag 20:07 did anyone hear like a squeaking sound from the corner just now 20:07 because i did not 20:07 goddamnit my pet ROUS got loose again 20:07 <@Computer Man> Anyone reasonable enough to answer me 20:08 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Odin, on T:2289 20:08 I actually don't know so lol 20:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:08 <@Computer Man> rip 20:08 i think some poeple literally do not understand the concept of having agreed to a standard of behavior 20:08 <@Computer Man> I didn't agree to ignore you 20:08 <@Computer Man> I just apologized 20:09 the real hurdle with pets and nutrition is that IRL you have a shorthand with your pet 20:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed +2 grayswandir", on T:49101 20:09 yeah they will let you KNOW 20:09 "When you have opened the lock that cannot be opened, using the hidden key that cannot be found while standing on zero legs under a full moon at high noon during a hot summer day on the winter solstice, then you will understand how you can explore the Dungeons of Doom." 20:09 whereas in NH you have to do a whole thing with #chat 20:09 hard to really get a nethack pet to understand well, anything 20:09 i forgot about #chat ty 20:09 <@Computer Man> lmao 20:09 things like not playing with the rock dispenser 20:10 <@Computer Man> Overworld dungeon where the goal is getting the keys to the DoD 20:10 <@Computer Man> Then you have the game itself 20:10 aosdict, you gotta add a Yendorian Department of Defense 20:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:49173 20:11 no, that's a bit too political 20:11 That's pretty much Fort Ludios. 20:11 fort ludios is a bunch of mercenaries, they're not the government 20:11 They are the Yendorian army. 20:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] BifphWombat (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1841 points, T:2032, killed by a wounded rope golem 20:11 they *rent* the Yendorian army 20:11 The fact that they are mercinaries, just tells you something about Yendor.. 20:11 <@Computer Man> Yandorian Securities and Exchanges Commission 20:11 Encyclopedia implies training by the wizard themselves 20:11 himself 20:11 god words are hard 20:12 <@Computer Man> Themselves 20:12 <@Computer Man> Double trouble 20:12 hah 20:12 they're libertarians except for carbon tax 20:12 I don't think you can take the contents of the Encyclopedia as necessarily accurate in all cases. 20:12 if the wizard himself trained them then why are there no soldiers in the wizard's tower 20:12 i think all regressive tax is encouraged politically in Yendor for teh torture element 20:12 aosdict: That's what the DoD is for 20:12 :WeSmart: 20:12 in fact the wiki should be treated as 100% wrong unless backed up by source ref 20:13 aoei we weren't talking about the wiki 20:13 The wiki is a good deal better than the Encyclopedia. 20:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 569 points, T:1730, rt[0:04:37], wc[0:04:38], killed by an uninjured dwarf 20:13 kind of like your sleep cycle? 20:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:13 (and mine) 20:13 (The Encyclopedia is that collection of quotes you can get from the "more information?" option from what-is.) 20:13 yea i realised my mistake just now 20:13 fuck it. fully politicized what-is info 20:14 i would trust the encyclopedia even less yeah lol 20:14 it ok 20:14 <@Computer Man> Croesus rules the banks 20:14 the encyclopedia is essentially just flavor 20:14 esr wrote that stuff aeons ago 20:14 sauce for your fluff 20:14 actually idk if he wrote encyclopedia or just the guide 20:14 but whatever 20:14 <@luxidream> well you woke up quickly 20:14 the brainwashed soldier things it implied with the Yendorian Army makes decent sense wrt "why few have ever returned" 20:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:20773 20:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:20774 20:15 i seem to be fail at slep what can i say 20:15 <@Computer Man> !8ball are keys a good idea 20:15 @Computer Man: As I see it, yes 20:15 <@Computer Man> Well shite 20:16 soliders also pop up p. often in Gehennom 20:16 so someone's gotta be sending them 20:16 problem is between Ludious and fuckin' uhhhhh 20:16 Castle 20:16 You're liable to extinct them by the time you get to Rodney's tower 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:20782 20:17 in vanilla anyway. 20:18 <@Computer Man> Drawbridge team 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1684 points, T:2986, killed by a nearly deceased giant ant 20:18 <@Computer Man> Drawbridge team 20:19 Go team a! 20:19 If you wanna get technical the demon lords and princes govern Gehennom 20:19 so could do a dnh and get all Ars Goetia in this joint 20:20 YANI: split up gehennom into two realms - hell (devils) and the abyss (demons), player pics one, or gets one at random 20:21 *picks 20:21 on the fence, leaning towards agree but feeling more like having the abyss be the deeper half and hiding the Sanctum within 20:22 <{Demo}3> hell and being in this irc channel in the last couple days 20:22 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) averted death (poisoned by a jumping spider), on T:8442 20:22 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1553, rt[0:09:01] 20:22 ad&d, you have 9 planes of existience, each geared towards an alignment 20:22 hell was lawful evil 20:22 Ye I recall 20:22 the abyss chaotic evil 20:23 daemons were just "fuck everything" 20:23 in the 'existence sucks let's destroy it' sense 20:23 though idk if that was post ADnD 20:23 daemons were in 1st edition 20:23 i think they're neutral evil? 20:24 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law), 827 points, T:1026, [0:02:47], killed by a wounded plains centaur 20:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5016 points, T:2841, killed by a Woodland-elf, while praying 20:24 <@Computer Man> Have abyss be dcss abyss 20:24 yep 20:24 neutral evil they are 20:24 cool 20:25 I need to play stone soup at some point 20:25 <@Computer Man> Yes 20:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1741, rt[0:12:16] 20:25 <@Computer Man> It will be very fun 20:25 I was asking Pink about stuff for troping purposes and Mara seemed super cool 20:25 <@Computer Man> I assure you 20:26 in fact I swore I had something else for that page 20:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:49217 20:27 <@Computer Man> Imo immortality is the coolest thing to get 20:27 <@deathsushi> Why would I encounter Jubilex in the Valley of the Dead? 20:27 <@Computer Man> Hands down 20:27 @deathsushi another demon could have summoned him in 20:28 Gating you 20:28 yo* 20:28 <@deathsushi> Ah okay 20:28 <@Computer Man> With the secondary powers of healing and limitless memory of course 20:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2049, rt[0:15:49] 20:29 I should concentrate on my game now and write down ideas later 20:29 (so in like an hour) 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 763 points, T:2169, killed by a wounded imp 20:31 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Vam Mal Law), 890 points, T:1110, killed by a monster (liquor ant) 20:31 <@Computer Man> Go team alcoholic a! 20:32 If there's anything I respect about SLEX it's the wordplay 20:32 i used to play a lot of crawl (stone soup) 20:32 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 shield of reflection", on T:2231, rt[0:19:25] 20:32 it's part of why i like having a bit pet army 20:32 big* 20:32 Oh you're a stone souper, nice 20:32 yeah i liked raising zombie armies from my kills 20:33 I played the shit out of EB/M3 after high school so I appreciate wordplay much more 20:33 are you still not logged in to hf 20:34 I keep zoning out aaaaaaa 20:34 also was fixing my options so I could keep the CP437 thing set on all servers 20:34 (I mostly use those connections to watch EU/AU people play) 20:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2615, rt[0:21:48] 20:35 aight we good 20:35 I'm in. 20:36 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:30 20:36 there we go 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1527 points, T:1465, killed by an uninjured hill orc 20:39 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 115 points, T:334, burned by a tower of flame 20:46 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 843 points, T:1923, killed by a crossbow bolt 20:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:4794, rt[0:37:23] 20:50 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 11364 points, T:4795, [0:37:26], quit 20:54 oh yay a broad pick 20:59 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 21:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Minetown, on T:1083 21:01 CNT-FAI: Probably the best thing this tourist could've ever picked up 21:01 it's a pick, that's broad 21:01 already starting with 4 digits of gold 21:01 it's a high damage two-handed weapon 21:02 oh right 21:02 forgot to turn on autodig lmfao 21:03 but yeah it's super good if you're an arc 21:03 and tourists need a reliable damage dealer that isn't darts 21:03 yeah this options file we've all been stealing does not have autodig on 21:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:3293 21:04 !who 21:04 aosdict: [hdf-us] ezion [nh370] slarty [nh370] Frozty [nh370] Draco [slex] SamG [xnh] Umbire [xnh] woodstea23 [slshm] eraserhead97 [evil] Glord [seed] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 21:05 Yeah, I'll tweak it after 21:05 hey Umbire, suggestion/request 21:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1901 points, T:1277, killed by a killer bee 21:05 Nani? 21:05 turn on MONSTERCOLOR=aligned priest:yellow in your config, tell me how you like it 21:05 Uh, sure o: 21:05 I'll try to remember 21:06 shit im doin it now 21:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2230 points, T:802, rt[0:06:39], wc[0:06:40], killed by an uninjured dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 21:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 21:06 Yo rif 21:06 how much you think that'll sell for 21:07 oh i jumped out to try the yellow priests and fix my autodig while im thinking about it mb 21:07 actually do you think I can break it into gold pieces 21:07 :thinking: 21:07 oh lol no rush 21:07 il be done in a sec 21:07 -!- hollywood-vishnu has joined #hardfought 21:07 heh gold statue? 21:08 gold is not a material that is known for shattering 21:08 force bolt, no? 21:08 You only tempt me to try. 21:08 gold is not a material that is known for shattering 21:08 CNT-FAI: were it stone, yeah 21:08 stone is 21:08 oh right 21:08 You know what 21:08 hm 21:08 fuck it 21:08 science time 21:08 spell of tinnify 21:08 if you can haul it to a shop it might be worth some moolah 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4006 21:08 that brings up the question of dragging things 21:08 IMO 21:08 I see. 21:09 Not too heavy at least 21:09 huh actually sipaliwini doesn't offer money for it 21:09 THATS WHAT YOU WERE ASKING 21:09 hhhhhhhhhfgdfhgjetr 21:09 -!- hollywood-vishnu has quit [Client Quit] 21:09 WHAT'S EVEN THE POINT 21:09 that's some shit a tourist should be able to do tbh 21:09 orz 21:10 -!- hollywood-vishnu has joined #hardfought 21:10 no offense aos, this game is ultra massive 21:10 but it is my opinion 21:10 I don't know what you mean by that 21:10 she's making an informal YANI suggestion :y 21:10 if you mean massive in terms of save file size, the title goes to FIQHack :P 21:10 a tourist should be able to steal and sell a gold statue 21:10 nah all forks are massive games 21:10 You say steal 21:10 well unless you say zapm 21:10 alright, displace 21:10 but I don't think anyone exactly claimed ownership 21:11 metal figurines, interesting 21:11 i mean a gold statue is kind of like gravestone rules 21:11 or altar 21:11 I agree, I'll add an item for selling expensive statues 21:11 nice ty 21:11 boo, tool shop 21:11 ... said no one ever 21:11 some shops should be good places to sell it that one might not assume 21:11 said me, right the fuck now 21:11 >:C 21:11 aosdict: fiqhack makes large saves? 21:11 in the sense that like, irl chinese restaurants prize gold buddhas more than KFC might 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (liches), on T:4061 21:12 I have oodles of gold regardless so 21:12 I've tried to reduce the size somewhat recently 21:12 ftr i definitely only meant conceptually 21:12 by using a less dumb compression setting 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4117 21:12 in context it's the only thing that really makes sense 21:13 It's probably still the largest, besides dynahack (4.2 saves were always huge) 21:13 a *hack dev shouldn't take offense at "x should be able to y" because it is conceptually broad and dep 21:13 +e 21:13 FIQ: weren't you at some point like "I'm gonna add ten bytes to struct rm, no biggie" 21:13 not that anyone was 21:13 but it should be much closer to nh4 and fourk now 21:13 aosdict: when did I say that? :P 21:13 in your ransom demands 21:13 aosdict: fwiw, 0s compress well 21:14 I'll compress your demands 21:14 oh boy, CBS is doing "Bojack Horseman but for race/Islam" 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:21009 21:14 that is, the fictional 90s sitcom 21:15 Most TV is pretty unwatchable now outside of reruns honestly 21:16 I haven't watched TV in quite a while, I think 21:17 Legit about to request my mom only have one of those AT&T boxes in here 21:17 Ooh, magic lamp 21:18 again. 21:18 hm. 21:18 needless to say, TV is only bearable because i am also watching xNH 21:18 Aye 21:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:1771, rt[0:11:40] 21:18 Wonder if this is a bag of holding though 21:19 i guessed wrong in my last run and smashed potions i was trying to steal, forcing a confrontation with the shopkeeper 21:19 which went the way that would clearly go 21:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1907, rt[0:12:30] 21:19 F 21:19 i had create monster but not conflict, and my wand of fire was the only thing worthy of a shop battle, but it's not enough bc of their dodging 21:20 0 AC naturally I think 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:7290 21:21 >mithril pick-axe 21:21 ๐Ÿค” 21:22 potions in a tool shop? 21:22 methinks this is oil 21:22 toolsman's gotta have oil 21:22 also, it's one of the like 3 easiest items to price ident 21:23 nice 21:23 aw man 21:23 lantern magique 21:23 the plat lamp is just fancy 21:23 still keeping it though 21:23 conceptually, i get it 21:23 what is a tourist but not into novelties 21:23 right 21:23 Yendor is also a place where any form of excess will eventually be tried 21:25 btw, tide inventing an appealing, deadly poison pod because market research todl them people would buy more detergent if it looked like candy is a very Yendorian move to me 21:25 You are unfortunately correct 21:26 the mazes of menace isn't Yendor (at least in xnh internal lore) 21:26 oh whoops 21:26 YOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 21:26 yes there are still things like the fuel tax and such. maybe they're holdovers 21:27 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 21:27 just like that I'm back where I was with my samurai 21:27 well, it's kind of like how Canadian policies may be copied in WA 21:27 now I just need to come back with money for the pickaxe 21:27 OH HELL YES 21:27 Yendor has at some point in the past "fallen", according to the Wizard 21:27 same 21:28 pick-axe and mark, I gotta grab this too 21:28 don't ask me for details even though I wrote this 21:28 aosdict: According to him wh-- oh. 21:28 ...oh wait you wrote more lore? o: 21:28 well, stories need more mystery today 21:28 the age of making an entire show for Nurse Ratched 21:28 I guess you need to go face him and find out :) 21:28 btw i gotta afk i keep forgetting to pick up my bong and proof of residence 21:29 I've been jebaited. 21:29 and the front desk closes in half an hour 21:29 also no fuckin clue what jebaited is 21:29 Spore's gonna kill me 21:29 that, could happen 21:29 I can't lure it into the shop unless I wanna go the long way around 21:29 plus there's the cat issue if you do 21:29 and can't detonate the spore in there or else 21:29 yep. 21:29 does it really do 19? 21:29 oh your AC is 8 21:30 hm 21:30 5-24 in vanilla 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Bliss56's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:7663 21:30 rolls high enough I'm just washed 21:30 technically, you could try one of your unidentified scrolls with low risk because the spore is not so aggressive 21:30 E wording also works 21:30 though of course you still risk setting your magic maps on fire 21:30 -!- hollywood-vishnu has quit [Quit: cya] 21:31 sidled by, now I have all the free real estate in the world 21:31 just my playstyle really 21:31 Fair 21:31 not everyone gets to be a hero 21:31 alright so 21:31 testing time 21:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:2304 21:32 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed lacca the hobbit zombie, and former Embalmer, on T:11459 21:33 BoH confirmed 21:34 empty bag is not a BoH so safe to stick stuff in there 21:34 might still be cursed 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5599 21:36 striking get 21:36 another early-game tourist boon 21:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:21097 21:36 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4064, rt[0:30:02] 21:37 ohey it underlined "vanish" 21:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Mon Hum Mal Law), 8867 points, T:4065, rt[0:30:08], wc[0:30:29], quit 21:37 aosdict: intended? 21:38 wha? 21:40 peep my current game 21:40 named a forked wand and it underlined 21:41 ok that doesn't look like a runaway glyph from a peaceful 21:42 in your rc: MENUCOLOR=" wand .* vanish"=blue&underline 21:42 so whether it's intended is up to you :) 21:42 Oh 21:42 Probably a Sushi-ism 21:42 Smart of 'im too 21:43 best part is there's a vault right on this floor 21:43 ...oh 21:43 One drawback of maining mattocks with autodig 21:44 gonna need a secondary ๐Ÿค” 21:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7904 points, T:6658, killed by a wounded warg 21:46 back 21:47 Technically you could also turn off autodig in the in-game options editor and turn it back on when you're gonna do some mining 21:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:8237 21:47 if I remember to toggle, yeah 21:48 i only suggest it bc i hate to use a non free action or modify weapon usage because of metagame stuff, but it's a valid playstyle for NH forks 21:49 ye I get it 21:49 it *is* a pretty meta subgenre 21:49 maining this dagger should suffice 21:51 they put a picture of a salaryman on the box so you know this is a businessman's bong 21:52 https://i.postimg.cc/MHYN0M18/image.png 21:54 the thinking smoker's bong 21:54 This item is not appropriate for Monks or Tourists 21:54 also, my numpad came in 21:54 oh that ain't good 21:54 Ahhhh 21:54 was hoping I'd avoid the werefoo a bit longer 21:55 thankfully didn't take much 21:55 at least you have striking and something that, might make them go away? 21:56 ah heck where are my AAA batts 21:57 Oh they're dead 21:57 one hit of striking got 'em 21:58 Wasn't expecting luck to be in my favor there though 22:00 was afk searching my stone chests, found my AAAs 22:05 and almost autopiloted to death 22:05 6_9 22:06 clicking? 22:07 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had a a stiletto bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3254 22:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed CntFai's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:3483 22:07 hit a floating eye lol 22:07 forgot I had a blindfold/ranged shit 22:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:33330 22:07 e is not your friend on this run 22:11 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:3595 22:11 another reason broad picks are good early 22:12 STR training 22:12 right idea, wrong direction 22:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:3891 22:15 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Rod Mal Law), 8823 points, T:1991, killed by disturbing their deity 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:15642 22:18 Mines first, just need armor now 22:18 gonna check for vaults again 22:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1735 22:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] Umbire (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3588 22:24 ;; https://alt.org/nethack/userdata/D/DeathOnAStick/dumplog/1616254395.nh366.txt 22:25 was afk again soaking some beads that will go into the bong 22:25 goddamn, must've been a ill-timed branchport 22:26 666 weight 22:26 ๐Ÿ˜ˆ 22:27 second magic marker 22:27 getting worried now 22:27 nice 22:27 oh is that bad 22:28 [hdf-us] [sp] lurchy (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7658 points, T:4737, killed by a soldier ant 22:28 no it's good 22:28 too good. 22:28 (go team a!) 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2203 points, T:2078, killed by a wounded orc-captain 22:29 irl soldier ants can eat an entire horse in a few minutes while it's standing 22:29 down to the bone 22:29 not quite 22:31 yeah they tend to leave a few scraps of tendon 22:31 ah, same 22:31 anyway never go to the Amazon 22:32 yooooooo 22:32 silver hard shoes 22:32 literally kick demon ass with these 22:33 haha over pack weight at L4 22:33 same 22:33 oh shit that potion was oil and you dipped your cap in it 22:34 Tarball is good 22:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 22:34 Oh nah 22:34 Can of grease from ye olde toole shoppe 22:34 ah 22:34 protects against corrosion/water damage to a degree 22:35 bah...applebees ad uses a country song clip starting with "[get] a little bit of chicken fried" to refer to boneless wings, when it must actually be referring to chicken-fried steak 22:36 Betrayal and deception. 22:37 see that 22:37 big brain 22:38 Shiny Way bars 22:38 huh, must've eaten the spikes out of that pit 22:38 damn 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 262 points, T:881, killed by a wounded werejackal 22:40 Uh oh. 22:40 Named bow, huh. 22:40 eh, you havent used your extra healing yet right 22:40 Used 'em both! 22:40 needed the max HP 22:41 anyway this is a curious pickup 22:41 but you're probably good to pray 22:41 ye 22:41 oh and teleport 22:43 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1820, rt[0:08:48] 22:43 Yeah I had options, I was just interested in this bow 22:45 [hdf-us] [spl] slarty (Pir Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "magic harp", on T:323 22:46 lmfao 22:46 unintended side effect 22:46 hilarious read 22:46 323???? 22:46 yeaq 22:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4649 22:46 could be banywhere 22:47 -b 22:49 Norvand explonia hespolautia daj vidjst. 22:58 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:7978 23:00 MOTHERFUCKER 23:00 had a potion of invisibility 23:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] Umbire (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2493 points, T:4369, killed by a dart 23:00 rip to a tourist who had a very bad day 23:00 couldn't see what was force bolting me and then I got cherry tapped 23:01 unrelated i'm scared of how hot the dwarf on NCIS New Orleans is to me 23:01 Shalita Grant 23:02 that run was so good I'm fucking upset 23:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5039, rt[0:28:20] 23:02 ah, how many such deaths have i had 23:02 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 23:03 That's four fucking magic lamps I've wasted now. 23:03 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 2332 points, T:5130, rt[0:29:22], wc[0:29:23], killed by an uninjured soldier ant 23:04 and I thought that was going so well 23:04 rip arc 23:05 soldier ants 23:05 go Ball Fondlers 23:06 I was going to get sokoban and some good loot 23:06 I was going to get some nice fashionable armor and develop my archeologist 23:06 I was going to get glory and treasures 23:06 but then there was ant 23:06 I should have twoweaponed some scimitars 23:07 https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/025/375/ergeofgreat.jpg 23:09 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Rod Mal Law) averted death, on T:744 23:09 aosdict: Where do I stick this bit again? -> MONSTERCOLOR=aligned priest:yellow 23:10 should be anywhere no? (im hoping) 23:11 It usually is 23:11 actually lemme... 23:11 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:1989, rt[0:09:01] 23:13 interesting, Karnac puts the message log up top 23:13 it's also got the full width but there's no permanent inventory 23:13 yeah I've seen setups like that, 23:13 -!- Roho has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 23:13 good stuff. 23:14 i like having the inventory personally 23:14 anyway I just need a good section to actually stick this in 23:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law), 10610 points, T:8198, killed by a badly wounded panther 23:14 i compulsively check inventory otherwise and still dont internalize it 23:14 gonna break in the salaryman bong in a sec and then when i get back inside from that im gonna test out the new numpad 23:15 Enjoy the bonging 23:15 ty 23:16 I'm gonna look at the rest of my rcfile 23:16 aosdict: Option's in, I'll wait for Rif to come back before starting though 23:16 So I can get used to editing this thing 23:17 i'll be a minute, since i gotta do something in here first. so don't feel bad if you renege on that. also, i'll be about ready to start my own character 23:19 -!- MTF has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 23:19 no prob 23:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3411, rt[0:18:04] 23:24 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3806, rt[0:21:32] 23:35 only just now heading down. but im taking my laptop and might get a connection 23:35 Aight 23:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5867, rt[0:34:57] 23:37 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11075 points, T:5868, rt[0:35:06], wc[0:35:07], quit 23:39 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:10567 23:39 How was that compared to your other Sokostone times, Glord? 23:45 -!- rif[CNT] has joined #hardfought 23:45 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Bar Dwa Fem Neu), 14581 points, T:10953, suffocated by a water elemental 23:47 -!- rif[CNT] has quit [Client Quit] 23:48 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:48 -!- rif[CNT] has joined #hardfought 23:49 haha well maybe editing options is nto so simple i just got a flash scrolling page of error msg 23:50 Uh oh. 23:52 oh @aosdict mayu wish to know htis since its my first time playing since i added that yellow priest bit 23:53 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 dragonbane", on T:18425 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 452 points, T:807, killed by a water moccasin 23:55 i keep getting "You can't do that!" 23:56 also Unknown command 'M-^I'. thist ime 23:57 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 83 points, T:317, poisoned by a rotted gnome corpse