00:02 aoei it is 00:02 the movie 'hackers' was cheesy but fun 00:03 i still gotta see this sneakers movie, is on my list since a whiel back when you tol dme about it lol 00:03 'sneakers' is also about hackers but more serious and a bit more realistic maybe 00:03 whos that guy in hackers whos played like 10 insanely different kinds of dude 00:03 christians omething 00:03 christian slater 00:03 haha no its a slightly weirder name 00:03 hm 00:03 christian slater wait wait 00:04 no 00:04 i love that dude i did not realise he was in hackers tho 00:04 ok no matthew lillard 00:04 no no 00:04 damit i always get these guys mxied up 00:04 its lillard im thinking of 00:04 i bring him up bc 00:04 river phoenix 00:04 ah ok, christian slater is awesome tho 00:04 the hacker in Dredd (2012) really reminds me of Lillard in Hackers 00:04 and he *is* in um 00:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:18448 00:04 whats it called 00:04 mr robot 00:04 which is an absolutely great show 00:04 yup 00:05 loved mr. robot 00:05 it's not Lillard but the hacker in Dredd has a very similar vibe 00:05 with more terror 00:05 after the 1st season it got weird 00:05 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sneakers_(1992_film) 00:06 really Olivia Thirlby is the underappreciated star as the psychic from the blocks 00:06 but the gang characters and the hacker they kidnapped are also extremely good 00:06 K2: hard agree 00:06 season 2 was still ok 00:06 season 3 really went off the wall 00:07 Lena Headey as a drug lord is a surprising pleasure also 00:07 but season 1 was the best by far 00:07 yup 00:07 Lena Heady as drug lord what 00:07 yeah man im telling you yall gotta see Dredd 00:07 ain't she the one from GoT 00:07 Cersei Lannister 00:07 i think so 00:07 she's really good 00:07 she's fantastic in that 00:08 not sure i've seen her in a lot of other stuff 00:08 she gets high on her power and makes a fatal mistake that lets the good guys win 00:08 she made me hate the shit out of Cersei 00:08 so I say good job 00:08 but she really sells it 00:08 lol yea thats kinda the point 00:08 I know 00:08 the guy who played joffrey also did amazing job lol 00:08 i dont remember his name 00:08 i dont like hating that guy 00:08 shame GoT wasted her and p. much every other talent torwards the end 00:08 i mean yea 00:08 the end sucked 00:08 GoT was honestly a mess from beginning to end, lets be real 00:09 the better parts of the material and the amazing acting held together what should not have been a show 00:09 It was but it was a watchable entertaining mess 00:09 ehhh it was worse at the end 00:09 oh i know 00:09 Then it just became agonizing 00:09 ever since they killed Stannis shit just wasn't right 00:09 but the beginning of a series is defined by the end it leads to imo 00:09 the actual books and original story material also kind of a mess thats never gonna be finished lets be real 00:09 not unreasonable Rif 00:09 and shouldnt be finished 00:10 theres way too much gratuitous sex crime for no real reason except to sell books 00:10 still love the books but 00:10 yeah that's the unfortunate reality as of now 00:10 even with sex crimes """aside""" 00:10 i think the hard truth is that either way he is more of a book seller than a fantasy weaver 00:10 i honestly think GRRM had/has no real plan 00:10 the show got ahead of the books and got too addicted to trying to outsmart viewers and readers than you know 00:10 actually writing good 00:10 and wrote himself into a mess 00:10 i dont blame him but thats the world he made for himself 00:10 wich cannot ber resolved lol 00:11 both of you are saying the same thing in different word 00:11 Umbire: yea also an issu 00:11 words* 00:11 p much 00:11 not that I'm complaining 00:11 are we distracting you from your nethacking umb 00:11 just p. easy to agree on those as facts 00:11 I haven't started lmao 00:11 lol 00:11 yeah i noticed 00:11 need to grab my charger, then set a pizza in the over 00:11 oven* 00:11 also what does one call you casually 00:11 umb feels like not what you want to be called, just guessing 00:11 i sometiems refer to this character as Umby 00:11 omg aoei hi 00:11 umb, Umby, Umbire, any permutation is fine 00:11 in a way, all dungeon PCs are Umby 00:11 k 00:12 ay tommo 00:12 sry i kinda disappeared 4 a sec lol 00:12 no worries mate 00:12 how are ya 00:12 im gooood 00:12 i watched the stream from this morning, it was great! 00:12 nice 00:13 also i saw hackers the other day 00:13 i really enjoyed watching vod after the ones i played in, myself 00:13 ya, its kinda cool 00:13 i aint seen that movie in years but i remember loving it when i did see lol 00:13 i really believe Hackers should be played alongside Johnny Mnemonic and Dredd 00:13 was my first tiem as co-host/commentary so that was super fun 00:13 ohhh 00:14 no one saw Dredd but i will harangue you all into it 00:14 its like watching nethack games while talking shite and hanging out with internet friends, whats not to love 00:14 ya it felt super friendly 00:14 CNT-FAI: yea i aint seen it but am def curious 00:15 u n luxi have good back n forth 2 :) 00:15 https://imgur.com/XJBpsbN 00:15 tommo: thats good :D 00:15 I'll likely do some file acquirement this week (as a means of backup for my Legal Copies, Obviously) 00:15 thats not a spoiler btw she has a counterattack for that situatoion 00:16 we chat a fair bit about nethack on discord and stuff lol, he also taught me loads of tricks on how to speedrun nethack 00:16 CNT-FAI: wait whos this dude in the funky costume 00:16 Karl Urban??? 00:16 i thought it was batman 00:17 hes nuclear megacity batman 00:17 CNT-FAI: um is that actor or character 00:17 cuz i meant character 00:17 thats Judge Dredd 00:17 judge who? 00:17 You're taking the piss 00:17 i mean sorta but not entirely 00:17 oh okay 00:17 i have heard the name before but like 00:17 i dont' nkow shit about shit 00:18 if that makes sense lol 00:18 so basically a terrible nuclear conflict has reduced the habitable continent to the area from like boston to philly which is now one continuous smogged up concrete jungle 00:18 soujnds like new chiba city 00:18 sorta 00:18 only in the us 00:18 the law is completely overwhelmed to the point where police have been abolished and they just send Judges out to the streets and mega blocks 00:18 also i still need to read that book 00:18 properly 00:19 Charger: check 00:19 hes got a cyber gun that switches to 6 different kinds of shot on voice command 00:19 Pizza in oven: check 00:19 https://media1.tenor.com/images/e68a79d86e5ceb0a62cce9a6ae3e684e/tenor.gif?itemid=4959681 00:19 Umbire: pogchamp 00:19 hes somewhere between grim hero and antivillain depending on your politics 00:20 tommo: i kinda wanna watch vod but also hearing my own voice is uh 00:20 idk its weird to me lol 00:20 awe 00:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1272 points, T:1916, killed by a gnome lady 00:20 to Karl Urban he's sincerely a hero keeping the last vestiges of order alive in a fallen world 00:20 i get that 00:20 * arahael considers genociding all females. 00:20 o.0 00:20 wat 00:20 Especially the gnomish ones. 00:20 to me he's proof of the inherent corruption in a system that depends so - hang on what 00:20 topical 00:21 anyway to me his world illustrates why heroes aren't real 00:21 aoei: Lately my most regular death has been by a Gnome queen, gnome lady, or dwarf queen. 00:21 CNT-FAI: a friend once told me never meat your heroes 00:21 one of the comics, Mega-City One, has him stumble into the anarchist zone and learn about freedom 00:21 arahael: ok that comment just seemed really odd for a sec there LOL 00:21 it's totally incompatible with his existence 00:22 aoei: This is #hardfought. :) 00:22 hey it sounded like a hate crime 00:22 you can't blame us for that 00:22 um yea 00:22 what CNT-FAI said lol 00:22 it seemed a bit off 4 hardfought lol 00:22 can you even do that in NH 00:22 but im curious tho, wat letter would u type to class geno that 00:22 CNT-FAI: No. 00:22 yea p sure you can't geno genders in nethack 00:23 Incel Button 00:23 CNT-FAI: LOL 00:23 LOL 00:23 LMAO 00:23 Yeah, well, I'm tempted to just say "G and h" should be genocided. 00:23 sure fine geno the gnomes and dwarves idc 00:23 whay cruel beasts 00:23 please don't geno my gender 00:24 that 00:24 ya, gen off >:[ 00:24 * arahael geno's *. 00:24 Glob 'em all! 00:24 geno * is actually a thing in wizmode lol 00:24 with blessed scroll 00:24 if you geno * 00:24 it kills every monster on the level 00:24 Dungeojn Thanos 00:24 Curious. 00:24 i only recently discovered this 00:25 i don't recall from whom 00:25 cuz u killed him 00:25 hahah 00:25 yea that must be what happened 00:25 rip whoever that was 00:25 took his memoties 00:25 lel 00:26 CNT-FAI: Imagine Thanos being in the game. ;) 00:26 Who was that Maud person anyway? 00:26 i have 00:26 oh i remember thanos 00:26 from those movies 00:26 its grim 00:26 he did some p hardcore genoing yea 00:27 he was a he i think 00:27 idk 00:27 He is 00:27 yeah hes rhe bad guy fro, Juno 00:27 ya he had a skin beard 00:27 and his movie version sucked dildos 00:27 purple 00:27 symbolic 00:27 tommo: o yea lol looked super weird 00:27 "groovy" 00:27 idk i dont no if i liked those movies all that much 00:27 Comic Book Thanos literally simping for the hot lady who is also literally Death would've been infinitely more watchable 00:27 even without the inherent comedy value of what I just described 00:28 but i was never all that into super hero/comicbook movies 00:28 i was surprised how much he looked like the comics, bad that is 00:28 ya were bad imo 00:28 those suck in particular' 00:28 but! thor ragnarok, heck yes 00:28 (or the original source material for that matter) 00:28 tommo: oh yea i liked that one 00:28 he looks fucky in the comics yeah but the movies made him look the bad kinda fucky 00:28 but see there's a good reason for that 00:28 i havent seen it yet bc the other ones are so bad 00:28 and his name is Taika Waititi 00:28 i know its #actuallygood 00:28 taika waititi has the midas touch 00:28 Waititi is fucking awesome 00:29 i love p much everything he's done lol 00:29 have you seen what we do in shadows 00:29 so good 00:29 yaaa me too 00:29 <3 00:29 the Spiderman with the president from the west wing was good 00:29 yes, but not the series yet! 00:29 Ragnarok and The Winter Soldiers were the exceptions proving the rule 00:29 Martin Sheen 00:29 also the breaker upperers 00:29 Also Far From Home? 00:29 is fuciking funny 00:29 also good 00:29 hunt for the wilderpeople is my fave movie 00:29 compromised by the presence of Benedict Undercut 00:29 i havent see jojo rabbit yet 00:29 tommo: YES 00:29 omg 00:29 the kid in that 00:29 Ah so Far From Home 00:29 ive seen it like 4 times lol 00:29 i samazing 00:29 but Jake Gyllenhaal is very good as the illusion master 00:29 tommo: lol! 00:29 I hear they did good with Sterling's boy Mysterio 00:30 Far from Home is good because it skewers the concept of a movie hero to begin with 00:30 tommo: i think i seen what we do in the shadows 4 or 5 times now 00:30 oh? 00:30 not seen seriews tho 00:30 yea the bad guy appears to be a superhero at first but he's an illusionist 00:30 much like all of real life hollywood 00:30 heh 00:31 tommo: have you seen jojo rabbit? 00:31 ironic since MCU literally works with the pentagon/DoD to "make sure our armed forces are depicted correctly" 00:31 LOL yes 00:31 ok i should see it? 00:31 CNT-FAI: lmfao right 00:31 yes 00:31 i tried to rope my friend into watching it but couldn't get him past the concept 00:31 oh sorry i havent seen jojo rabbit 00:31 and people won't even fucking believe you if you outright tell them it's propaganda 00:31 yeah same 00:31 its a problem umb 00:31 aoei: u will luv it sooo much 00:31 very common in heroic type movies to begin with actually including apocalyptic gladiator type films 00:31 tommo: i think possibly the hitler thing is holding me back but mb i should just watch it and see what the movie actually is lol 00:32 tommo: have u seen the breaker upperers tho 00:32 i know, but he pulls it off so well 00:32 stuff like Spartacus/Gladiator/Troy was the precursor to the fascist superhero film 00:32 i feel like it succeeds where the producers lowkey failed 00:32 the movie "the producers", i mean 00:32 yeah 00:33 idk if i know about this movie the producers 00:33 the producers fails because its terrifying dream is just real life hollywood 00:33 ah :c 00:33 but the film itself doesnt need you to care that its irl true 00:33 tommo: have u seen the breaker upperers tho 00:33 nonono 00:33 omg 00:34 i havent 00:34 aoei: The PRoducers was hte precursor to Jojo Rabbit, the heroes try to sabotage their own stage careers by producing "Springtime for Hitler" and are horrified to see it actually succeed in the world of the film 00:34 tommo: but you must 00:34 kay! 00:34 it is 00:34 so fucking funny lol 00:34 do you know the premise 00:34 once you've heard that you don't actually have to watch it 00:34 i 00:34 no ive never heard of it! 00:34 've heard jojo rabbit is better 00:34 i have google tho 00:34 tommo: ok its taika waititi slice of life comedy awesome 00:34 about these two chicks 00:34 oh god 00:34 but i think the concept of jojo rabbit is "What if The Producers was good" 00:35 im sold 00:35 their whole job is like 00:35 shh 00:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:35 or business lets say 00:35 nono 00:35 ok watch trailer 00:35 don't spoil me 00:35 you will see waht i mean 00:35 not really spoiler 00:35 but 00:35 watch it w me tmr? 00:35 lol sure 00:35 what do yall use to watch these things together 00:35 its my first day of work :3 00:35 :o 00:35 i miss the server i used to stream movies on 00:35 nice 00:36 idk i would probably just arrange that we both have movie ready and time it on irc haha 00:36 liek count down somehow 00:36 idk lol 00:36 Ah dang it definitely can be done in OBS 00:36 just need a server 00:36 hahaha 00:36 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:36 yea i gues that would work too but you need priv server bc copyright etc. 00:36 sorta private yeah 00:36 ive used metastream w success 00:36 just not loudly advertised unless its like...a media criticism/appreciation class 00:36 its a chrome plugin tho so who knows how secure it is 00:37 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:37 awesome ty tommo 00:37 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:37 tommo trailer is @ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAjnXG3m4A 00:37 it takes some finegling but u'll get there CNT-FAI :) 00:37 it doesnt really have to be secure, you just have to either link it only to peopel who legally own the movie, make some visual modification to it, or screen it as part of a media crit class or study group 00:38 aoei: no way, im goin in blind 00:38 as long as you're not on like youtube or twitch no one really cares 00:38 i mean up to u lol :D 00:38 or making money on it 00:38 ive been thinking of teaching media crit though 00:38 would be a good way to use my education without having to get an actual job and deal with a boss i hope 00:38 tommo: when would be good time to watch lol 00:39 aoei: im off at 4pm PST 00:39 or maybe PDT, im tryna figure it out lol 00:39 i am in totally difff tz but my sleeping pattern is totally backwards atm anyway 00:39 so it might work out fine hah 00:39 tommo: what time is it now in your tz thats probably easier 00:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:23437 00:39 sunday 9:39 00:39 pm 00:39 ^^; 00:40 ok so lessseeeee 00:40 4pm ur time would then be 5:39 before now i.e. midnight 00:40 i think im gonna start playing my x run again in a sec until i go out to smoke 00:40 hsould be fine 00:40 lol 00:40 :) 00:41 hahaha good lord 00:41 if u say so :P 00:41 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 00:42 idk why yt put this one but im digging it https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BZlRt05RY9Y 00:42 well I'm a tad upsetti 00:42 whats the haps 00:42 oh no umby how ocme 00:42 computer froze up suddenly, then I just ran out of patience 00:42 awe 00:42 f 00:43 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 00:43 it's mostly the tedium involved in getting back where I was 00:43 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 00:43 which is at least somewhat reduced 00:43 is it difficult to go from boot to optimal config 00:43 ? 00:43 rip 00:43 I mean just reopening shiz 00:44 ah ok 00:44 when I could just 00:44 not instead with it not freezing in the first place 00:44 i soetimes have soem quite specific setups for like window sizes and things just so on one of my virtual desktops 00:44 incase i want to strim nethack or something in obs 00:44 setting up those again can be a pain lol 00:44 if i reboot 00:45 neat 00:45 my laptop does this horrible trick on me sometimes 00:45 or i think specifically its a keyboard issue 00:45 where it decides to send the last key pressed to the OS on repeat 00:46 and nothing can stop this except hard reboot 00:46 it is very annoying 00:46 and happens at unpredictable moments 00:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 17600 points, T:11782, killed by a dwarf king 00:46 like i'll be typing on IRC and then get a stream offfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffffff which nothing but power off will stop 00:47 Ew 00:47 yeah its super annoying lol 00:47 gettin muyh vaccine part 1 in 17 hours im nervous 00:47 doesn't happen *too* often 00:47 but still very annoying hwen it does happe 00:47 CNT-FAI: o shi 00:47 gl 00:48 ty my mom was fine w/ it but had some symptoms, i'll be glad to get it over with but i wish the law would get off my back so i could really chill out and recover 00:48 Good luck 00:48 the law sucks and all cops are bastards 00:48 ty! and yes 00:48 And I'm pissed about it 00:50 not that im a total anarchist necessarily. i think there is a place for a legal system and a state 00:50 i just also think most states are corrupt garbage 00:50 i'm a total anarchist necessarily but i take your point 00:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:1442 00:50 like i said im basically the bird in that teen titans go clip 00:50 and their legal systems in support corrupt garbage 00:50 Stupid dog. 00:51 blamin the dog are we 00:51 i like socialist welfare state supportin the ppl, as a concept 00:51 it's a fine idea in theory 00:51 execution often somewhat lacking 00:51 Socialist welfare is what a modern country should do. 00:51 though the idea in theory is also that that leads to what is esentially anarchy 00:52 at least, for Communists 00:52 CNT-FAI: How so? 00:52 that has turned out to be....somewhat complex in the wolrd that exists 00:52 Communists are defined by wanting a classless, moneyless society 00:52 waht i thik she getting at is that ppl have more freedoms if you live in post-scarcity 00:52 also its in the definition of communism 00:52 which is like a form of anarchy in a sense 00:52 this acid party is bumpin 00:52 a communist world would be classless and moneyless which is anarchy 00:52 tommo: lol right! 00:53 its great xD 00:53 CNT-FAI: I don't see how that's equated to "socialist welfare", though. 00:53 arahael: extension of concept i gues 00:53 it isn't inherently, but social democratic welfare states h 00:53 well 00:53 not just a theoretical drawing out of ht e concept\ 00:54 CNT-FAI: I live in a country that has socialised welfare. There are flaws, but it generally has a huge benefit. 00:54 i mean that the people nad parties that have called for a social democratic welfare state, if not keynesian, were socialists and gneerally were communists 00:54 tommo: some of it is mad trippy 00:54 of course, it is inherently better than not having a socialized economy and government in a capitalist world 00:55 but if you judge the socialists who came up with this stuff on their own metrics, it was supposed to lead to anarchy or at least socialism by now and that has turned out to be, complex 00:55 right 00:55 CNT-FAI: What's complicating the topic, is I don't really know what you mean by "communism" and "socialist", as americans have their own particular cold war around those labels. 00:55 no this is deceptively simple: 00:55 lol now Dragula is playing 00:55 choon 00:55 communism is a classless moneyless society, socialism is when the working class controls the means of production OR has ceased to exist because such a system has led to communism 00:56 i seen Rob Zombie perform that live :3 00:56 CNT-FAI: I've yet to see it implemented as an actual classless, moneyless society. 00:56 yeah that's the problem 00:56 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: leaving] 00:56 CNT-FAI: As for socialism, similarly, I'e yet ot see it implemented as where teh working class has that control. 00:56 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 00:56 that is also the problem, yeah 00:57 yup 00:57 one would be hard pressed to justify the Chinese system on these terms any more than the Norwegian or Canadian 00:57 the problem is that the US empire also exists 00:57 CNT-FAI: But "socialised welfare", in the countries that implement it, generally implement fairly well despite not perhaps not being "socialist". 00:57 creating an inevitable tension between true communist beliefs and right-wing accommodationism in China especially 00:57 i would not be hard-pressed to argue that some systems of capitalism or neoliberalism are significantly worse than othres 00:58 yes, again, it is inherently better than not having such a system in a capitalist world 00:58 CNT-FAI: THe chinese system is probably best described as a large, country-wide business. 00:58 well there are some complications to that 00:58 A single, country-wide business. They're actually quite good at that. 00:58 a business doesn't necessarily need an ideology, whereas the CCP is engaged in a decades long struggle between left and right wing communism, having invented right wing communism as a result of this bizzare world order 00:59 Doesn't "neccessarily need" doesn't mean that they don't or can't. 00:59 The rub there is most businesses/corporate states then proceed to believe they're "free from ideology" as a result 01:00 Pizza's done, xNH will start momentarily 01:00 Umbire: Of course, because they have to worry about external messaging. 01:00 right wing communism is nonsese, but it now exists because the existence of the US empire (and friends and suzerains/puppets/etc) has caused the rise of ideological tensions between partisans and opportunists. major businesses in china do not really care whehter the government is left or right as long as they either continue to exist or secure a future for their officers' families 01:00 Umbire: sweet 01:00 -!- tommo has quit [Client Quit] 01:00 that's also true in the US umb 01:00 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 01:00 Yahuh 01:00 peeps are getting mad political in this chan 01:00 we just were talking about social democracy 01:00 i dont feel qualified to participate any longer 01:01 aoei: Nobody ever is! 01:01 i am lol 01:01 aoei: But I should make some noodles, put an egg in it, and then return to evil. 01:01 i just want this classless, moneyless society thing 01:01 ^ 01:01 make it happen 01:01 pls 01:01 im tryin! 01:01 lel 01:01 TRY HARDER GOD DAMMIT 01:01 aoei: Aka Star Trek. :) 01:01 it ain't easy being red 01:01 -!- tommo has quit [Client Quit] 01:01 arahael: aka the Culture 01:01 CNT-FAI: What's "red" in this context? 01:01 commie i guess 01:01 kermit sang "it ain't easy being green" 01:01 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 01:02 i inserted the color relevant to the discussion 01:02 * arahael has never watched Kermit. 01:02 CNT-FAI: Colour is astonishingly cultural. 01:02 im less star trek nerd more iain m banks 01:02 red is definitely universally socialism/communism at this point 01:02 taht guys novels have a post-scarcity futuristic society called the culture 01:02 star trek has turned out to be contradictory/impossible if Picard is canon, which i think it has to be 01:02 Uhhhhhhhhhh 01:03 CNT-FAI: Hmm, nope. 01:03 CNT-FAI: in terms of world politics i would agree with you lol 01:03 French land policies imply that the equal post-scarcity world described in the main series does not in fact exist 01:03 Rif does your thing that you copied from Sushi have this in the first few lines 01:03 # FIQ rcfile based off stth's dNAO rcfile 01:03 i mean, it doesn't have to work, it's a TV show about what humanity would do without internecine conflict 01:03 probably 01:03 heh 01:04 umb do you remember how to set the character's sexual orientation 01:04 check just to be sure 01:04 that rcfile has made its way to quite some people now 01:04 because I copied it from Deathsushi as well 01:04 that's my question before we go any further 01:04 idk actually! 01:04 CNT-FAI: i thik it was OPTIONS=orientation:thing 01:04 is there something wrong with it? 01:04 bc i had it set and now i dont 01:04 ah thanks aoei 01:04 ah 01:04 You have to set it prior to a game I think 01:04 if there is something wrong with it that isn't just a subjective thing, I should maybe fix my own config 01:04 yes @Umbire that is the fierst line in mine 01:04 Oh no I mean I just 01:04 CNT-FAI: Oh, d'oh. That reminds me, if I were to genocide females, that'd mess up my games! I always play as female! 01:04 dunno if I copied right 01:05 yo there is also boards of canada in this acid party playlist/weird startrek clips thing 01:05 i love boards of canada 01:05 There are no advantages for males in the game, at all, is there? 01:05 no 01:05 well, arahael does not try to kill you 01:05 otherwise no 01:05 lmfao 01:06 arahael: uhhh no there is actually 01:06 what? 01:06 I think eggs hatching in your inventory are more likely to imprint on you if you're a duder 01:06 umb https://i.postimg.cc/v8qCyR0h/image.png 01:06 what umbire said 01:06 oh wow 01:06 who knew 01:06 * arahael is shocked. 01:06 that is, eggs *not* laid by you 01:06 ofc as a woman you can polyself and lay your own legs anyway 01:06 if you are female you can lay your own eggs while polymorphed 01:06 those will be tame 01:06 when hatched 01:06 yeah that kind of balances things out 01:06 in theory 01:06 ye 01:06 I got it working 01:07 I just have to restart the terminal 01:07 seems vaguely fair sorta 01:07 or resize or whatever 01:07 duders cant lay eggs but they can adopt random spawn 01:07 or use amulet of change 01:07 tru 01:07 tahts an option 01:07 in this case the most painful possible accessory 01:08 it doesn't seem all that painful 01:08 It's also p. instant 01:08 depends who you ask lol 01:08 the pain isn't reflected in the game mechanics im talkin about like imagining these characters as people 01:08 o 01:08 the cis male brain has no frame of reference for it 01:08 on top of the possibility of dysphoria 01:08 aoei: Do you know of anyone who has tried that amulet? :O 01:08 well it's the only way to get male valks currently 01:09 also, physical gender transition is painful to begin with, and that's even in our world where it doesn't give you a vagina and egg laying system 01:09 arahael: lmao i just mean in terms of what CNT-FAI is saying about like, if you read into the inner world and life of the ingame characters etc. 01:09 ye I realize now 01:09 depends on your headcanon about it tho 01:09 idk how to math that because i too lack a frame of reference for growing a uterus 01:09 CNT-FAI: I'd assume it's no more painful than becoming a black dragon. 01:09 a lot of open to interpretation 01:09 fair 01:10 sometimes i imagine it as purely a spontaneous transition of gender identity 01:10 i know that intersex people who develop a sudden change of genitalia late in life go through a whole lot of pain and require surgery 01:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 571 points, T:1798, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:10 the physical being undefined and/or irrelevant 01:10 though im not sure whether it goes in that direction irl 01:10 2 darts and 4 crossbow bolts. That was an instadeath. 01:10 goddamnit what the hell was it that we had you do Rif 01:10 altho if you start thinking about the laying eggs bit 01:10 people born with uteruses have grown penises that needed to be surgically freed 01:10 I suddenly can't remember 01:10 idk eitehr 01:11 taht implies some physical change 01:11 somewhere 01:11 lol 01:11 ya 01:11 deep inside 01:11 but you could also headcanon it that the amulet realigns both identity and physical to change seamlessly and magically without any dysphoria 01:11 because its fkn magic so it can do whatever 01:11 it's possible 01:11 yeah 01:12 i personally think 01:12 it says *very* [gender] 01:12 i am still not sure where i stand on all this 01:12 having experienced physical dysphoria and physical gender transition 01:12 yeah you just feel very "feminine" or "masculine" 01:12 tahts the message ingame 01:12 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:13 that any physical mechanism for changing gender is very likely inherently painful, unless there is something about magic idk about bc im not magical, because you have lived a life with a body of a particular shape and must mentally adjust 01:13 polyself sometimes leads to ingame gender change of the player character 01:13 But if you polyself, then genocide your starting role, you "feel dead inside". 01:13 yea thats a fair point CNT-FAI 01:13 although for me it has actually been much less painful than my prior chronic pain because i now associate intense bodily pain with growth and truth and all that 01:13 I'm reminded of Exiern 01:14 Exiern? 01:14 it is itself painful though, it's just the mental relationship to the change that makes me perceive the pain less intensely than the problems i had in my body other than dysphoria before 01:14 probably one of the few webcomics to really explore the repercussions of magically transing your gender 01:14 so there's a big fat "Magic is not comprehensible to me" button there 01:14 i dont experience severe dysphoria tbh 01:14 Owned 01:15 i think if anything i would prefer to be a battlebot 01:15 The extent of my experience is everybody telling me I'd make a great wife. 01:15 arahael: that's, interesting lol 01:15 people in school days told me i would be a hot girl and i was like yeah true. unrelatedly in my current opinoin, Pain 01:15 we were not smart 01:16 dysphoria is a psychological experience i notice sometimes 01:16 but it is not everpresent 01:16 so its ok 01:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 23134 points, T:16348, killed by a bolt of lightning 01:16 a lot of cis people experience physical gender dysphoria 01:16 psychological rather 01:16 I think there's a huge number of factors, and imho it's /probably/ unhelpful to try and categorize it. 01:16 bc being the gender that they are is not what they hoped 01:16 huh 01:17 like, the whole, "It sucks to be [gender]" thing ppl say sometimes 01:17 well im def trans tho lol 01:17 it doesn't inherently imply that they would be happier as another gender 01:17 also, a lot of cis people have hormone imbalances they have to correct with what we trans people call transition drugs 01:17 right true 01:17 just with the tables flipped 01:17 yeah 01:17 figured it out 01:17 we're podracing folks 01:17 Umbire: Eh? 01:17 that better be true 01:17 oh hey it is 01:18 wtf is podracing 01:18 oh this one is the young 01:18 or somehow escaped the star war episode the 1 01:18 i am 29 01:18 The Most Antisemitic Starwar 01:18 and i saw that movie at some point i think 01:18 aoei is my senior 01:18 mm, yeah, that pretty much does it, you would have been young enough not to notice and care 01:18 ah 01:18 well i didnt realy remember the line a week after the movie came out 01:19 ye umby is not muc younger than me tho i *think* 01:19 and im 34 01:19 Hmm? What was the antisemetic there? 01:19 * arahael missed it. 01:19 oh boy 01:19 let me pull up a pic for you 01:19 arahael, big-nosed greedy aliens galore 01:19 oh dear 01:19 Muad: *That*'s anti-sematic? 01:20 ...yeah it is 01:20 Muad: Sure it's not just anti-Irish? ;) 01:20 um yea these are classic derogatory stereotypes 01:20 about jewish people 01:20 no, that's a completely different set of stereotypes 01:20 we are very syure 01:20 Intriguing. 01:20 it is not controversial 01:20 Yeah, I had no idea. 01:20 yeah this is all pretty standard canon bigotry 01:21 https://m.media-amazon.com/images/M/MV5BMTQ4MzY1NzU5Nl5BMl5BanBnXkFtZTcwODI0MTY2Mw@@._V1_SY200_CR50,0,200,200_AL_.jpg this guy sells you racing pods and squeezes you greedily about it 01:21 the alien with the little wings is blatant 01:21 ah yea that guy 01:21 https://twitter.com/Jezzerat/status/1373149788586319874 01:21 ^this one in particular just mollywopped me 01:21 re: Irish stereotypes 01:21 at absolute most you can personally convince yourself that it refers to shared stereotypes of Semitic peoples (Jews and Arabs), but this is ultimately still necessarily "anti-Semitism" 01:22 's all bad 01:22 lol 01:22 ye 01:22 it's p bad 01:22 Meanwhile, I see you have located our super-powered QUARRY! 01:22 that's how irish people say "Now that's podracing!" 01:22 ok now i am confused 01:23 I need to tweak options later but this is so sexy 01:23 it is the good 01:23 !8ball am i gonna finally go to bed like i should have hours ago? 01:23 aoei: Reply hazy try again 01:23 !8ball srsly tho should i sleep 01:23 aoei: My reply is no 01:23 Bed is a lie 01:23 <@riker> you heard beholder 01:23 lol riker :) 01:24 why does a bot speak for people in this channel 01:24 i mean at this point ive already been up all night 01:24 <@riker> go die to funny skeleton man or something 01:24 it rules, i am just the perplexed 01:24 <@riker> im on discord 01:24 ahhhhh 01:24 neato 01:24 yeah riker is the actual person 01:24 <@riker> specifically r/roguelikes discord in #nethack-hardfought 01:24 rld is the bridge bot 01:24 <@riker> its me! 01:24 no that i picked up on 01:24 just not why or where 01:24 ok haha 01:24 yea 01:24 anyway im sayin 01:24 aoei: I'm not so convinced. I think rld *is* a bot that makes things up. 01:24 its already 6:24 am 01:24 the new day is beginning 01:24 !8ball the bot is lies 01:24 CNT-FAI: Very doubtful 01:25 welp\] 01:25 sleep can wait 01:25 until some other time 01:25 we have our answer 01:25 riker: https://i.redd.it/y948lsaqq9o61.jpg 01:25 I over-cooked my eggs. :( 01:25 arahael: F :( 01:26 7 and a half minutes in boiling water. 01:26 mamma mia 01:26 Should've been 6.5 minutes. 01:26 okay im finally looking at the game 01:26 7 an da half are you crazy 01:26 aoei: Evidently. 01:26 <@riker> aoei LMAO 01:26 CNT-FAI: for a min i thought you were perplexed as to why i ask a bot to make life choices for me 01:26 no, that i get 01:26 riker: kerio sent me that one or two days ago 01:26 oh. 01:26 im still loling now 01:27 our first troll 01:27 umbire has the dungeon dollar 01:27 hm, the 2 line status box is good 01:27 its just so funny to me 01:27 goddamnit 01:27 and so on-point 01:28 nightmare scenario, pet isn't gonna be hungry enough to finish that for me 01:28 And I can't cast the nutrition away in time 01:28 riker: i assume you have, in a great show of human ingenuity and prowess over evil monsters, defeated and mercilessly slaughtered the funny skeleton? 01:28 * arahael has found a lamp... 01:28 A cursed lamp. 01:28 there should be a Wand of Digestion that breaks down a food into charges for some other item 01:29 though really at that point you kinda just want a Wand of Sacrifice 01:29 goddamn stalkers 01:29 CNT-FAI: There's a sacrifice knife in evil. 01:29 also crawl 01:29 if I could uncurse this fuggin' flail I could manuever better 01:29 but that's more of a religion mechanic than an item mechanic 01:30 can't believe I fatfingered into wielding it 01:30 you're wielding the cursed platinum nunchaku? 01:31 been wielding it for the longest 01:31 haha i forgot about the robe named Ted Franzen 01:31 since I picked that instead of my katana 01:31 Umbire: Which server are you on? 01:31 en as usual 01:31 riker: i lost coujnt how many times i died to sans 01:31 but i have something he ain't got 01:31 Nethack 01:31 Umbire: .eu, then. 01:31 i have unlimited tries at this 01:31 and also DETERMINATION 01:31 i feel like Sans plays NH 01:32 shadowrun comes dangerously close to having canon RPG nerds 01:32 us, rather 01:32 also no I imagine it'd be Alphys if anyone 01:33 ive never read the Cyberpunk rulebooks but ideally i think they should allow you to play shadowrun in-game 01:33 there are some good ass names in this run umb 01:34 Many of which were your suggestion 01:34 oh right, ez inventory lookup 01:34 "eerie feeling" 01:34 Graves? 01:34 the hell is that 01:35 Umbire: I suspect it's a gravestone level? 01:35 yell 01:35 yes* 01:35 6_9 thank you. 01:35 feels like a stalker corpse should make you feel eerie that seems right 01:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Dwa Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:18122 01:36 wonder what that was bein' lugged around for 01:37 wut 01:37 box 01:37 orc dropped it when I kilt 'em 01:37 ahhh 01:37 kinda like when you catch an orc on their gamestop run 01:38 Oh, that stalker killed our poor victim of this bones file 01:38 explains quite a bit 01:39 is there a reason you don't keep your coins in your bag 01:39 didn't learn his lesson last time eh 01:39 what bag, first off 01:39 oh my bad i thought there was a bag 01:39 second I usually try to when possible 01:39 in case of leprechauns 01:39 who thus far have been curiously absent 01:39 i always stash coins in a bag if i have one in case of leprechauns yeah 01:39 they'll sneak up on your ass now 01:39 my ring of warning has been useful for that 01:40 no that was one of the ones who died 01:40 i had a ring of warning on one hand and levitation on the other 01:41 basically her death was assured once i got cocky and stopped throwing things at enemies to establish distance 01:41 CNT-FAI: Sounds like my games. 01:41 F 01:41 CNT-FAI: Except I don't do the throwing thing much at all! 01:41 Last resort, even. :( 01:41 Physics: It's Stuff That Occurs 01:42 Yeah, well, playing as monk, ranged weapons suck. :( 01:42 Ah 01:42 room full of statues 01:42 someone having fun with a c corpse? 01:42 riker he killed me again :( 01:42 lucky me, another bones with a scare monster scroll 01:43 I'll eat this troll yet 01:43 The Itis 01:43 also another one with a convenient box nearby 01:43 on the same floor even 01:44 oh is ee your interface doesn't show turns 01:44 Umbire: Why is your Xp score 'in the red'? 01:45 iunno 01:45 Also it's next to the DLvl rif 01:45 i don't see that either come to think of it 01:45 i think the red is bleeding from the Cha 01:45 <@riker> goddamnit aoei is screaming the funny skeleton man but I'm also going to sleep 01:45 <@riker> *streaminf 01:46 <@riker> maybe also screaming irl though idk 01:46 Hmm. 01:46 oh okay my putty window was too small 01:46 my box >:C 01:49 Cream pies are a classic anarchist ranged weapon, though in practice organizations tend to use whipped cream on a cardboard tray 01:49 can't finish eating it 01:49 easier to smuggle into a press conference or meeting 01:49 so I'll just stuff it 01:49 and also to deploy without the pie-ee's consent 01:50 this was your class in troll disposal 101 01:50 something to be siad for a real pie, i feel 01:50 its' not very nice bc people may have allergies and it's also harder to aim but it looks good as hell 01:51 yep 01:52 lol at the dog just running around with a hill orc corpse hanging out of his mouth 01:55 what was SamG again... 01:55 Nethack is making me a bad person. Found a jail, and my first thought was: "There should be something in it!" 01:55 haha 01:56 ah a healer 01:56 had quite a few guesses 01:56 i was in jail when the virus broke out, one of the cops in there (they're just county cops here) said "I really hope when I show up tomorrow this place is shut down" 01:56 that was a surprising cop experience 01:56 bah 01:57 just a normal whistle, should've tested 01:57 oh FUCK OFF 01:57 there's your leprechaun 01:57 you have a real shit sense of timing, hope ya know that buddy 02:01 aw BTPC is doing Jewish grave site mourning 02:02 Oh I found his old pet 02:02 you're not enhancing your weapon skills? 02:02 apparently didn't realize 02:02 no, because I am busy chatting to you here right now 02:02 fair 02:02 now if I could GET THIS FUCKING THING OFF 02:03 least there's an altar to carry all this crud to 02:03 I'll worry about the box once I'm sure that troll's ded 02:03 Umbire: Fountains, surely you have them? 02:03 yeah but I also have water 02:03 so I can just use that instead 02:04 Even easier. 02:04 I see it's platinum - do things 'rust away' in xnh? 02:04 Not that platinum rusts. 02:04 if you mean getting destroyed from decay then no don't think so 02:05 Ah, pity. 02:05 this is a good flail anyway 02:05 just don't want it to be fuggin' cursed 02:06 oh lord that spongebob episode 02:06 is on in the bg 02:06 -!- Roho has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 02:06 where Plankton ethers that grandma 02:06 "Someone should put you in box floatin' down the river, GRANDMA!!!" 02:06 in a* 02:06 fuck! 02:06 vagurely remember this 02:06 the chat is just all over the place! 02:06 hi maud 02:06 hello umbs 02:07 Also 02:07 CNT-FAI: Forgot to mention earlier but the DnD ep of Dexter's Lab was just on a bit ago 02:07 ah, may not have seen that one, or just dont remember it 02:07 the idea of a scimitaur fucking owns tbh 02:07 i loved that show when it came out 02:07 havent seen it lately 02:07 (minotaur but with bladed horns) 02:08 Ouches 02:08 Muad: there a way to select all options on screen 02:08 would make my life a lil easier 02:09 Umbire, idk maybe , or + 02:09 , 02:09 one of them will toggle all 02:09 one will select all i think 02:09 oh wow 02:09 + would select all spellbooks 02:09 so , works but I can also just click shit 02:09 , selects all, ~ toggles 02:09 didnt know u could click 02:09 moon-child, thanks 02:10 and a second magic trap! 02:10 i think there's docs somewhere, don't remember; there might be another fun one 02:10 er 02:10 lamp! 02:10 a second magic lamp. 02:10 xNetHack absolutely 200% fucks 02:10 never goes out? 02:10 all I need now is a sacrifice 02:11 yeah, it's permalight 02:11 until I grab the wish from it anyway 02:11 and I STILL don't know what I want! 02:11 ahhh 02:11 now I just need a corpse... 02:12 nice and fresh! 02:12 why does one need to turn stuff undead anyway 02:12 revival 02:12 ah 02:12 it's funny because that's not it's "primary" use 02:12 it's a Turn Undead spell but in wand form 02:12 but it does work on corpses? 02:12 yes 02:12 oh that i know 02:12 it turns them un-dead 02:12 ive been wondering about it since i got that one 02:12 geddit? 02:12 eh? 02:12 eh??? 02:12 yeah 02:12 :D 02:13 Please Clap 02:13 trying to remember if i for sure identified one of my other magic items as tame 02:13 oh. 02:13 rahter, the tame spell 02:13 I appear to have blundered. 02:13 the old one and new one stacked 02:13 F 02:14 well solved that 02:14 but I'm not ready to pray again just yet 02:14 Is anyone ever truly ready to pray 02:14 I'd use this guy but he's well armored and I don't feel like attacking peacefuls 02:14 wise words from Rif CntFai 02:15 aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 02:15 if not for this curse I could just dig my way into that beehive 02:15 religion became a lot easier for me when i accepted that actually putting words to my prayers is above my pay grade 02:15 in other news another fucking stalker's attacking 02:16 sounds like community college 02:16 wew 02:17 bare minimum I now have holy water to go with the unholy 02:18 xnh has cute altars. 02:19 you know maybe killing this dorf isn't so bad an idea 02:21 Whenever a wand is empty, I immediately name them - that's a free action. 02:21 imagine dying to a fucking bee after all that mess 02:21 You have *two* magic lamps!? Why not use them? 02:21 uh oh. 02:22 umb is scared to decide on a wish 02:22 this is what freud called "Fucked up, man" 02:22 I literally dunno what I'd even go for 02:22 and you just saw another new 3.7ism 02:22 killer bees can eat royal jelly to become another queen be 02:22 bee* 02:22 really wish my dog hadn't woke them up first 02:23 Now that's dining with purpose 02:23 irl used to keep royal jelly around for service rats' wounds 02:24 Umbire: I think in my previous game, I had a Nazgul wake up a 6x6 nest of fire ants. 02:24 antibacterial and keeps their siblings very aware that they have a wound and not to play too hard with them 02:25 ooh 02:25 unrelated, Mom is very unrealistic, mixed-class friendships never really work unless the richer person isn't allowed to control the wealth 02:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 677 points, T:1812, killed by a magic missile 02:27 CNT-FAI: Her rule, or your rule? 02:28 In any case, feels too black and white. 02:28 i'm referring to the TV show called Mom 02:28 Ah, interesting. 02:28 oh yeah, that thing on Nick @ Nite or w/e 02:28 i used to think like you, but it doesn't turn out that way 02:29 who has time for friendships anyway when there is class warfare to be done 02:29 a rich person can't really be friends with people who have much less wealth, this is not a prescription, just a sad fact of socioeconomics 02:29 yay 02:29 troll is permaded 02:29 I flately disagree with that, CNT-FAI. 02:29 then you are very wrong 02:29 ditto, makes no sense 02:29 i didn't make this up 02:29 CNT-FAI: Then that probably, unfortunately, means I have no friends. 02:30 I should say it can technically work if you're redistributing your wealth or put it in a trust 02:30 CNT-FAI: That would be weird. 02:31 but in practice friendship can't really survive class resentment, and you can't hang out in the same places really, or do the same activities 02:32 Of course you can do the same activities, and hang out in the same places. 02:32 a rich person in a poor place is slumming which isn't the same thing as being friends 02:32 arahael, nethack and irc! 02:32 not really once you grok that the base of the idea is "wealth impacts upbringing and an excess of riches tends to make it hard for people to connect on the basic human level" 02:32 you're acting like i'm some kind of relationship fascist 02:32 Muad: And camping! 02:32 i did not choose this reality 02:32 nor am i the first to observe it 02:33 Umbire: "tends to", I can agree with that, perhaps. 02:33 this sounds weird to me but it's probably coming from a significantly more stratified society, yes? 02:33 as soon as any of my friends got enough of thier own money to afford subsidizing my strong medication regime, me existing near them became mooching inherently, and they inevitably resented me and grew distant 02:33 Muad: I'm starting to suspect so. 02:34 this is a lot more common than you're realizing 02:34 CNT-FAI: Which 3rd world country are you talking about? 02:34 arahael: the USA lmao 02:34 i'm not communicating this entirely well 02:34 the one we live in now???? 02:34 aoei: Oh dear. 02:34 Umbire: I don't live in the US! 02:34 and as indicated none of this is new! 02:34 i do 02:34 CNT-FAI: Condolences. 02:34 thank 02:35 arahael: these problems exist outside of the USA too 02:35 but they are worse there 02:35 generally speaking 02:35 aoei: In various ways, yes. But eg, Insulin, and other genuinely life-or-death medications are free or very cheap in my country. 02:35 if the rich person is actually an equal, which is part of the definition of friendship, it's because this person is actively destroying their own wealth OR bankrolling radical leftist activity 02:36 such a person can then in fact be friends, but cannot stay rich for long unless they are so rich that they would not do this because it would destroy their life 02:36 that sounds more like the definition of comrade than friend! 02:36 not mutually exclusive Maud! 02:36 of course 02:36 also something something Kylie Jenner 5k etc. 02:36 idk what means Kyle Jenner 5k 02:36 it isn't mutaully exclusive inherently 02:36 but this rif character is a p hardcore lefty and i dig it 02:37 i'm not saying person x and person y can't be friends, i'm saying they cannot simultaneously be friends and stay rich+poor 02:37 thank you aoei :D 02:37 I was talking more in regards to "comrade" v. "friend" 02:37 if they are staying friends, the one is not staying rich and the other is not staying poor 02:37 unless your answer is the same 02:37 Umbire: yeah i mean i have no idea who or what is Kylie Jenner 5k 02:37 so no idea how or why its relevant to discussion 02:37 Oh, just celeb news stuff 02:37 ok 02:38 "Kylie Jenner, who is a BILLIONAIRE, is asking ppl to donate to help a close friend get emergency brain surgery. He needs $60k. She makes $1.2 MILLION per IG post. She's only given $5K? WHAT?" 02:38 but this raises another problem; the relationship of an economically suicidal activist and a person on the way up is not in all ways equal, and this is inherently threatening to a friendship as well 02:38 https://www.newsweek.com/kylie-jenner-criticized-asking-fans-donate-friends-gofundme-1577651 from this 02:38 Umbire: lol jeez 02:38 Umbire, literally no part of that was good 02:38 yeah it's 02:38 a Thing That's Happening 02:38 CNT-FAI: Relationships like that - friendships, even, aren't zero-sum. 02:39 CNT-FAI: also depends how strong a bond you define friendship to be in the context of this discussion right, or how rich is rich, or whatever 02:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:39 CNT-FAI, arahael: "wealth impacts upbringing and an excess of riches tends to make it hard for people to connect on the basic human level" 02:39 a lot of my friends are more financially secure than me but not enoughso they can bankroll my broke ass 02:39 i.e. the """zero-sum""" if there is any at all is a result of circumstances 02:39 if a rich person is doing such economically self-destructive activism to such a degree, they can only be similarly rich tomorrow and next week if they are somehow manipulating society/government/the economy 02:39 yeah aoei that is entirely different 02:39 have you seen the show Mom 02:39 nah 02:40 one of their friends is ultra rich, like one of her outfits is comparable to a car the others might buy after robbing a bank or winning the lottery 02:40 lol jeez 02:40 they address it but not to the extent that it would actually be a problem irl 02:40 yeah that's just a jarring comaprison in itself 02:40 oh no, coma prison sounds bad 02:41 Muad: rof 02:41 rofl* 02:41 yeah you can't hang out and have coffee and a salad with a person with so much more power than you and think I am having fun with my friend:) 02:41 but yea i agree that actual friendshipo is not happening between people with vastly different wealth liek that 02:41 you're either mooching or paying an unfair % of your wealth/income 02:41 it's a sad thing, i miss my friends who became personally well off 02:42 In your country, is wealth like that the only real difference? 02:42 is this about *extreme* wealth or just well off wealth, really? 02:42 just a large gap 02:42 how many zeroes are we talkin' 02:42 but as people on the way up from the middle to the stratosphere, being my friend they would necessarily share so that i would have medicine for my terrible pain, and then they would necessarily resent my mooching because it's a LOT of medicine 02:42 Because in mine, it's something else, usually - eg, mental illness (which is really common, unfortunately), or you're a marginalized minority (such as, eg, deaf, aboriginal, etc). 02:42 also depends on the ppl i think some are fairly happy with the standard of "wer habt, der gibt" 02:43 CNT-FAI: The medication thing is a _peculiarity_ of the US. 02:43 which is like a german thing which means if u got more €€€ u pay for more rounds 02:43 or something 02:43 being a friend means honesty as well, and i couldn't simply pretend i was happy with the small amount they could share without compromising the hard wokr they'd put into becoming more wealthy 02:43 arahael: well, among english speaking countries, yes 02:43 but this also works better for smaller wealth gaps 02:43 CNT-FAI: Even amongst other countries. 02:43 i tried, believe me 02:43 yes i'm aware but it's not as exclusive as you're making out 02:43 CNT-FAI: There are no other countries that has insulin as expensive as the US, as an example. 02:44 CNT-FAI: Like, it's probably literally at least a hundred times cheaper in India. 02:44 There are several to many others where the impossibility of affording it is functionally equivalent 02:44 And how much is an hour's pay for the millions of everyday people in that country 02:44 arahael: the fact that its artificially inflated pricing too is like, criminal 02:44 plain and simp 02:45 we're kind of getting lost int he details here, i'm talking about weed which is much more expensive than my most expensive pain pills 02:45 CNT-FAI: I am not sure, but I would suspect fewer people as a proportion also require insulin in India. 02:45 considering the victims of this scheme it's comparable to price gouging during disasters 02:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:33809 02:45 again, i'm not prescribing the impossibility of a friendship between two such people 02:45 Muad: right yea 02:45 its pretty awful 02:46 aoei: And yeah. It's criminal how it's been inflated like that. 02:46 i'm saying that it can only work if the rich person is committed to not being rich anymore, OR extremely rich (like celebrity status) and willing to lose said status, which is the opposite of how such a person actually lives in reality 02:46 CNT-FAI: I would instead say that the rich person has the obligation to create opportunities for the poor. 02:46 you're arguing against something i 100% did not say 02:47 and have been extremely clear about not saying 02:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Dwa Fem Non), 164285 points, T:24550, killed by a xorn 02:47 CNT-FAI: Yes, that's infact my argument. 02:47 in practice though, i have not met a wealthy person who can be happy and equal with me and share a fair % considering my medical costs 02:47 im slightly lost but kinda agreeing with the majority of whats actually being said rn 02:47 any person i've met who became more wealthy has made choices in the process that are the opposite of that 02:48 CNT-FAI: Perhaps that's because medical costs are *insane* in the US. 02:48 you're not listening 02:48 and i'm done 02:48 No worries. 02:48 the repeating is a triggering thing for me for unrelated reasons 02:48 i'm not really explaining myself 02:48 is what i mean 02:49 and i'm not in an emotional state where i can fix that and also field the indignant reactions to stuff i didn't say but other people who are not like me would say with similar words 02:49 i feel like the medical costs thing is bad in the USA but is being used here as an example to drive home a point still valid outside oif medicine 02:49 i was using my example, i happen to be a sick person who lives in the USA 02:50 aoei: Hmm, so eg, housing costs for someone in a HCOL area might be a more relatable comparison? 02:50 that is an extremely uncommon way for someone to be poor in the world, it's also the one i know intimately 02:50 arahael: perhaps 02:50 i happen to be housing secure 02:50 but the same principles apply 02:51 it's just that if rich people generally were capable of resisting this effect, they would not be rich 02:51 which is a thing that happens but is much rarer than being rich 02:51 In my country, *in principle*, socialised medicare effectively pays for housing. In practice, it's quite... Variable... And COVID showed people that if govts really wanted to, they can and will house everybody. But once COVID stopped being a problem, it went back to normal. :( So our homeless are back. :( 02:51 also when you get to certain levels of rich it becomes this weird wealth hoarding thing that benefits absolutely nobody 02:51 the rich are not even using their money for anything at some point 02:52 but hoarding it in offshore accounts to avoid tax etc. 02:52 its totally nuts 02:52 it's more possible for rich and poor to be law school classmates, and even that is only sustainable because government regulation forces them through the same channels 02:53 that's why TV dramas where rich people are cops or students or w/e have to have them give a massive amount to some kind of charity or radical action 02:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Val Dwa Fem Law), 441 points, T:1159, killed by a nearly deceased bugbear 02:53 CNT-FAI: I don't watch reality TV, just so you know (and don't own a TV) 02:53 they can do this because they're tv writers and can just make up a rich person capable of doing this without resenting the frustration 02:53 i don't either 02:54 well more the first thing, i 'have' a TV but the hotel owns it :D 02:54 lol 02:54 anyway 02:54 You live in a hotel? :) 02:54 ya 02:54 aoei: Could you fill me in what a hotel is? 02:54 why are you asking me lmao 02:54 Heh, because you've got a cross-cultural background? :D 02:55 i mean 02:55 you do know what a hotel is right 02:55 or was that actually a genuine question 02:55 Yes, you pay something like $400/night to sleep on a nice, comfty bed. 02:55 * aoei is confuse, also did not realise she has a cross-cultural background 02:55 haha, that is one kind 02:55 arahael: well, i think they vary more than that lol 02:55 Hmm? 02:56 u got different tiers and pricing on such things right 02:56 as with anything 02:56 Hotels here are _always_ rented on a per-night basis. 02:56 So I guess this is more of a serviced apartmetn? 02:56 um right but not necessarily 400 a night 02:56 it's a specialist housing industry where guests (instead of "renters") pay weekly, nightly, or hourly to live in lawful furnished housing and have no ownership of the unit or furniture 02:56 Ah - serviced apartment. 02:57 Or furnished apartment. 02:57 well, no, these are very distinct things in most countries 02:57 Hmm? 02:57 but it is comparable 02:57 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the ghost of Istym, the former Conjurer, on T:2584 02:57 there are a lot of differences, apartment renters pay for utilities whereas a hotel provides them as part of the fee 02:58 the usa also has hotel vs motel but im not 100% sure waht the diff is there or whether CNT-FAI lives in something more like u'd call a motel 02:58 * arahael suddenly realises he isn't aware of the difference. 02:58 i mean im p sure there a diff but im not sure i could define it 02:58 CNT-FAI probably can 02:59 the TV in here is not some guy's device he shares with me, nor is it mine, it's industrial equipment in a commercial enterprise 02:59 CNT-FAI: Sounds like what we'd call "furnished apartment" here. 02:59 man, you are not big on listening 02:59 he's really not big on listening, it's true 02:59 aoei: Haha. 02:59 you know what, i respect it 03:00 incapable of it, in fact 03:00 i would be happier if i listened less 03:00 one thing i do wonder about is like, whatever way you slice it 03:00 is "the TV belongs to the hotel" an apt description? 03:00 CNT-FAI: In Australia, we have an industry here where you can rent a "furnished apartment". All the beds, furnishings, often even appliances, are provided and are not yours, but you can make use of it. 03:00 i imagine hotel is financially worse than renting an apartment 03:00 CNT-FAI: They may or may not include bills. 03:00 well, we got into the TV thing but that isn't a significant distinction between a hotel and a furnished apartment 03:00 yes it is aoei 03:01 which makes me wonder why you are in that position, but you may have bundles of reasons why this is what you have gto be doing rn 03:01 i can't speak to that 03:01 i cmae here to rest before apartment hunting bc its in a chain where i had hotel points 03:01 and then the outbreak happened 03:01 ah ok 03:02 CNT-FAI: Btw, what aoei was alluding to was that I am, infact, deaf. 03:02 lol 03:02 yeah bit of an injoke there 03:02 thank you for explaining 03:02 but it had dual meaning too :) 03:02 at this point moving to a local apartment would be a police matter, so instead of finding a local apartment the energy i would put into it has to go into resolving my legal matters (i also have chronic fatigue) 03:03 Oof. Chronic fatigue sucks. 03:03 also it would mean exposing myself to new people and vice versa 03:03 which is a problem in a respiratory pandemic 03:03 as in i was making a dig at arahael for the metaphorical sense of not listening, while joking about his actual being deaf 03:03 i will eventually live in an apartment when i move closer to my parents 03:03 yes aoei it was very good 03:03 i was p proud of that ngl 03:03 you should be 03:04 aoei: Heh, but I was genuingly trying to figure out what the comparison points are. I still think the equivalent in Australia really is a "furnished apartment", even though yes, bills are included. 03:04 i frogot, i actually do own a TV in storage, because i found one on sale 03:04 when i lived ina n apartment 03:04 arahael: yea i do get you trying to relate it to something actually extant in aus 03:04 but sometiems thigns just don't have perfect equivalents 03:04 in your own locale 03:05 well i'm not charged for gas and water, etc, the hotel pays for these things according to industry standards and regulations and builds it into my fee 03:05 aoei: Yeah, I realise. 03:05 the distinction is fine 03:05 i shhld prolly try and get some rest 03:05 its been fun chattin to u these past couple jnights rif 03:05 aoei: It's what, 7am now for you? :) 03:05 take care of urself 03:05 ty likewise 03:05 8 am lol 03:05 aoei: Sleep well! 03:05 get a good the selep 03:06 aoei: Woah. 03:06 arahael: TBH, I'm surprised by how well you resisted giving up in exasperation 03:06 i should have lol 03:06 Pinkbeast: The argument, or evil? :) 03:06 i even said i would at one point 03:06 oh you're talking about a fork lmaoooo 03:06 arahael: For all I know you still do evil. :-) 03:07 * arahael agrees. 03:08 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 4715 points, T:5144, killed by an orc zombie 03:08 Damn zombie. 03:08 sleep well aoei 03:08 oof 03:08 arahael no longer does evil 03:09 Forgot they were followers. In soko I had an orc mounted on a warg attack me. I barely escaped with 3HP. Went downstairs, right next to an orc zombie, then ran straight back up. But it followed me and then killed me. 03:09 in tangential news our unfortunate healer died with a shield of reflection 03:09 Rip In Pwned 03:09 nice umb 03:09 CNT-FAI: Evil zombies are *really* bad. 03:10 can confirm 03:10 Romero saod thid 03:10 the best method for dealing with the corpses in my playthrough has been trying to eat the corpses then curing my terminal illness with a unihorn 03:10 (old rotted corpses poof when you do that) 03:11 Yowzer 03:11 my only question is if this counts for the Violation of Common Sense trope 03:11 Umbire: I've heard it's a way to get intrinsics. 03:11 yeah id' say so 03:11 But in the early game, where they're just bad, you tend not to have a unicorn horn. 03:11 it's something you'd do with vanilla zombie corpses 03:11 a character in a zombie film would choose to die before eating tainted flesh 03:12 where you'd hope it was aged enough upon "dropping" that it just made you feel sick a bit 03:12 instead of making you ill outright 03:12 in that case it'd still give the intrinsic 03:12 ofc tinning kits just sidestep all that mess entirely 03:12 oh shit thats actually pretty damn smart 03:12 in Vanilla Nethack, undead turns you 03:12 i never thought of eating the zombies 03:12 then again idk if i ever got a unihorn in evil in the first place 03:13 my question is does tinned zombie meat in Evil still retain the zombieness 03:13 The problem is when the unicorn horn fails to cure you 4x or so in a row. 03:13 Umbire: I don't think so. 03:13 Umbire: Carry a horn just in case. ;) 03:13 lol ofc 03:13 arahael: idk id prob still risk it 03:13 chance in a million 03:13 i think a unicorn is largely defined as nonsensical 03:13 aoei: The RNG is cursed in evil. 03:13 until the front falls off 03:14 if you have to carry a unihorn to eat a food item and this food is your sustenance, yes, that's a violation of common sense 03:14 aoei: K2 denies it, but I insist it's cursed. 03:14 arahael: lol 03:14 CNT-FAI: Oh, zombies aren't sustenance. 03:14 arahael: you just need to git gud 03:14 :P 03:14 * arahael glares at aoei. 03:14 :D 03:14 i need to get better at ignoring you 03:14 i can hardly talk 03:14 ive never beat evil 03:14 "People tend to expect a certain relationship between action and consequence; common sense dictates that a clever action should have positive results, while a stupid action results in some kind of negative consequence. Video games do not always live up to this, however. Sometimes they allow you to do something suicidally dangerous (or at least utterly pointless) and, far from forcing you to face the consequences of your actions, they reward you 03:14 for this behavior. This is a Violation of Common Sense; one does not expect to be rewarded for stupidity. " 03:14 nothing personal, this was just very explicitly stipulated in the interaction i was having 03:15 Yep, checks out 03:15 Umbire: It was surprising to me that eating wraith corpses was a good idea, come to think of it. 03:15 you eat the zombies to stop them reviving and endlessly harrassing you 03:15 g2g sorry 03:15 bbl 03:15 Later. :) 03:16 idk if that's common sense but its pretty bloody brilliant 03:16 hAve the good one 03:16 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the ghost of nabru, the former Fighter, on T:4111 03:16 * arahael considers a bit more evil. 03:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:21 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 3866 points, T:5248, killed by a gnome lord 03:21 ohj hey i have encountered the Oracle 03:21 i forgot what the deal was with this level 03:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:23 CNT-FAI: Statues sometimes have spellbooks. 03:23 ah, i can smash them without penalty? 03:23 neat 03:23 Surprisingly yes, and drink the fountains. Unless xnh changes it. 03:24 CNT-FAI: But the real significant thing is that the level below it has the upstairs to soko. 03:24 can i destroy them with an axe or mace 03:25 oh right i have force bolt lol 03:25 yay spellbook 03:25 As you read the book, it radiates explosive energy in your face! 03:26 oic i'ts level 7 03:30 :) 03:30 Bless books first if you can. 03:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:31 yay i got remove curse 03:32 Nice. Definitely don't read them if cursed. But at least in vanilla, reading them always succeeds if blsessed. 03:32 i did at first but it just summoned monsters that my pet pony and housecat ate 03:33 Curious, Sounds like xnh changed things there. 03:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35 i drank from a fountain and died of being surrouned by water moccasins 03:35 i kenw i shouldnt have listened to you lol 03:35 ah shit i shouldve used the ring of conflict 03:36 CNT-FAI: Ha - I mean the oracle doesn't care. 03:36 ah gotcha 03:36 CNT-FAI: As a contrast to minetown. 03:36 yes 03:36 You can even destroy all four fountains. 03:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1174 points, T:5176, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 03:37 Rip In Priestly abode 03:37 RIP. :( 03:38 woah i cant choose valkyrie 03:38 * arahael has never played valk. 03:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] HarmathZsolt (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1717 points, T:1510, escaped 03:49 [hdf-au] [slshm] PeachMuffin (Und Orc Fem Cha), 917 points, T:1076, killed by a cockatoo 03:53 -!- cranberry has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:54 -!- cranberry has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 04:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Acolyte, on T:3506 04:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:3553 04:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 473 points, T:4071, killed by a moderately wounded giant bat 04:22 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 04:23 Oh good you're all still here 04:23 i'm about to pop out and smoke, and may lose connection 04:24 I'm still awake, myself Might have an early night though. 04:24 Not that that matters :D 04:26 ah 04:27 Christ, like 3 uncursed things in this entire pile 04:27 I'm barely hanging on my grasp of evil at the moment. 04:28 striking and fire ID'd so far 04:29 I fell down two trapdoors in sequence, and am now in Dlvl 11, with a red naga beside me. 04:29 And teh god is displeased. 04:31 light ID'd 04:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 6615 points, T:2730, killed by a gold golem, while praying 04:33 F 04:34 3 wands unID'd, all too worn out to engrave with 04:35 Could try wresting them. 04:35 meh 04:35 I mean, do it once, then hold down ^a 04:35 also p. sure I want the gloves on but don't want to deal with the whole lolcursed thing 04:35 Ah, fair point, you don't want them to backfire. 04:35 very off chance one of those is a wand of wishing 04:35 have to be absolutely sure 04:37 Ooh, interesting. Huge L-shaped scroll shop. 04:37 -!- AmyBundlebundle has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- AmyBundlebundle has quit [Client Quit] 04:37 Umbire: Yep - though even enlightenment is useful to know. But in evil, wishing is pre-charged (except for castle) 04:37 -!- AmyBundlebundle has joined #hardfought 04:37 * Umbire raises brow 04:37 omg this connection is terrible 04:38 Tedium cutting into your between-tour time 04:38 -!- AmyBundlebundle has quit [Client Quit] 04:38 ? 04:38 Oh damnit. 04:42 -!- AmyBundlebundle has joined #hardfought 04:42 wifi@db more like wifi@doesntwork 04:42 RIP 04:42 -!- AmyBundlebundle has quit [Client Quit] 04:43 again with this 04:43 I thought I owned you hard enough the last time 04:44 glass got IDed for me, this troll tele'd herself with one 04:45 I feel thhat this game is a promising one. 04:46 Though no bag yet. 04:50 oh boy, i am become were rat 04:50 wew 04:52 Hungry nymph. It just stole the half eaten food ration I was eating. 04:52 CNT-FAI: Lucky. 04:53 i have rat friends now like irl 04:53 CNT-FAI: Not covered in honey, I hope? 04:53 not yet 04:54 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 04:54 Heh. 04:56 welp. 04:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Umbire (Sam Hum Fem Law), 10322 points, T:10478, zapped herself with a wand 04:56 wand backfire was worse than I expected it to be 04:56 very bad idea in retrospect 04:56 !lastgame 04:56 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Umbire/xnethack/dumplog/1616193827.xnh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/H/HarmathZsolt/nethack/dumplog/1616373194.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1616397019.evil.html 04:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:19606 04:57 Umbire: Ouch. Was of fire. 04:59 annoyed with that decision + getting tired anyway = back to wiki editing 05:01 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 05:02 Umbire: Just to clarify, did you loose 73 HP in that one backfire? 05:04 No, was already in the red which is what made it stupid to to 05:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:39977 05:05 will probably laugh about this act of what was v. clearly suicidal hubris but rn don't have the energy 05:06 throwing for content and/or you really enjoyed the early game and wanted to play through it again 05:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 2877 points, T:3073, killed by a hobbit zombie, while fainted from lack of food 05:09 see this is going to actually get on my nerves a little 05:09 because it was neither, I fucked up and overplayed my hand 05:14 Umbire: Yeah, that gets frustrating. 05:15 all that said it was still a fun run to go through, so enjoy the magic lamps @ whoever can find them and not subsequently get their shit ruined by that throll 05:15 Umbire: Like when that elephant got me. I should've backed out and regrouped. 05:15 bright side of it is I think I had at least 1 scare monster scroll left that's probably in the pile of my loot 05:17 You mean, if it becomes a bones? 05:17 fuckin irish bastard stole my wand of stirking and used all 4 charges to do jack shit against me 05:18 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 05:18 gold wand of striking? 05:20 idk 05:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:39991 05:21 no, i think? 05:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:39992 05:21 leprechaun, right? 05:21 right 05:21 double check discoveries, I'll come on in a moment to se 05:21 see* 05:23 decent armor so far 05:23 hopefully this goes places 05:23 yeah just grabbed a cloak of displacement 05:23 bout to go to the armor store upstairs and drop off my extras 05:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law), 88657 points, T:10403, killed by an uninjured xorn 05:24 good luck 05:24 ty 05:24 I'll probably conk out in like 5 minutes or at least head off IRC 05:24 the monster i got the wand of strking off used it to kill the dog 05:25 oh no 05:25 yeah i was pissed 05:25 wait is that a paper bag of holding 05:25 your guess is as good as mine 05:25 it is 05:25 but the image is inherently funny to picture 05:26 yeah 05:26 the padded gloves you have on may or may not be gloves of dexterity 05:26 by the by 05:26 probably safe to "downgrade" to studded leather armor 05:27 your AC'll still be dece but it's lighter and you can also cast reliably 05:27 ah okay thanks 05:28 if the wooden scale mail wasn't cursed I might rec that possibly 05:29 actually mad I disregarded the rest of the mines/soko/that unicorn last run 05:29 but I'll get over it 05:30 sleep should help in that regard, loaded up on two cups of hot tea 05:31 hopefully this doesn't put me out past like, noon 05:31 yeah its in the past and the calmer you are about it the more utility it will give you next time 05:31 yahuh 05:31 judging oneself for actions in a game that you can't fix but can distract yourself from applying the lessons of, is a Violation of Common Sense 05:31 lmfao 05:32 true enough I suppose 05:32 g'luck with your priestess, may she crack many a skulls 05:32 skull* 05:32 ty! good luck with your the sleep 05:32 ty 05:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 05:42 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3743 05:44 -!- floating_eye_bot has joined #hardfought 05:44 Woah. Nearly died. Got confused whilst next to lava... With an orc zappity-zapping wands at me. 05:57 Am I a bad man if, whilst in evil, I discover that a bad seems to have an animal in it, and so I kick it? 05:58 I had really hoped it was a proper bag of any sort. 06:04 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:08 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:09 !tell Umbire didn't mean it in a mocking way sry 06:09 I'm on it, amateurhour. 06:10 <@Joanna> Lmao arahael did you kick a bag of tricks 06:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:5306 06:10 <@Joanna> You cold as ice boy 06:11 -!- floating_eye_bot has quit [Quit: floating_eye_bot] 06:12 <@Joanna> !tell Umbire I see I'm not the only one with sleep issues currently 06:12 Umbire shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @Joanna. 06:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 3747 points, T:5353, killed by an uninjured gnome queen 06:14 <@Joanna> @amateurhour job ppl co firmed getting my email with the Javascript codes they asked me to write + will get back to me in a few days 06:14 <@Joanna> I am a quivering wreck til further notice lol 06:14 sweet 06:14 lol i hate being awake all morning 06:15 <@Joanna> Hey rif let me introduce myself 06:15 <@Joanna> Name of aoei 06:15 <@Joanna> Also yep it sucks 06:17 <@Joanna> I went for a walk tho. Weather is nice out 06:22 Well, that's weird, two people with the name of aoei 06:22 are you still awake from yesterday aoei or did you get up early? 06:23 <@Joanna> I'm still awake 06:23 <@Joanna> Life is pain what can you do 06:23 haha 06:23 <@Joanna> Make the most of it i say 06:23 I woke up about 7 to die an entirely unforced splat to a dire elephant 06:24 <@Joanna> That sounds like a rather rude awakening Pinkbeast 06:24 <@Joanna> Commiserations 06:25 <@Joanna> Also aoei is a surprisingly common name 06:25 <@Joanna> Someone else has nabbed it on everything except Freenode >:( 06:27 <@Joanna> This is why I use the even more unpronounceable aoeixsz4 on a buncha stuff 06:27 Joanna: Yes, I did. :) 06:28 <@Joanna> arahael: nice 06:29 And my laptop had to appy "updates", so I took the opportunity to start fixing our dishwasher. Soon, our dishwasher will literally be held together with matchsticks and epoxy. 06:29 <@Joanna> Well, if it works 06:30 <@Joanna> Epoxides ring open to form incredibly strong chemical bonds iirc 06:30 <@Joanna> Should be grand 06:30 Yeah, it's pretty incredible, though I only used a tiny bit; probably not enough, but if it breaks, I can always use more epoxy. 06:30 <@Joanna> Ur probably fine 06:30 I've only got about 8mm left of this tube. 06:31 I don't really see the point of spending money on this ancient washing machine. It's not even a good one. 06:31 Trouble is... I'm not sure if new ones are going to be that much better. 06:31 They're all quite flimsy. :( 06:32 <@Joanna> F 06:33 imagine trusting a tin can to clean ur clothes 06:33 just use a washboard in the river 06:33 oh it's a dishwasher not a washing machine, misread 06:33 point still stands just use the river 06:33 another problem solved thanks to amateurhour 06:34 Funny you mention that, we do have a river here. 06:34 But it's smelly./ 06:35 that's how u know its working 06:35 <@Joanna> Hahhahahaha 06:36 <@Joanna> Cracking me up as per usual with ridiculous shitposting erm I mean 200iq galaxybrain advice 06:37 amateurhour: It's not about whether it's working, but what makes the wife happy. The curse of an engineer: Having stuff work is irrelevant. 06:38 <@Joanna> LOL don't listen to ur wife silly 06:38 <@Joanna> Listen to amateurhour 06:38 <@Joanna> He knows what's up 06:38 B^) 06:39 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:39 Joanna: I believe you've made the point today that I never really do. 06:39 <@Joanna> Imagine wanting ppl you care about to be happy 06:39 <@Joanna> Smh my head arahael 06:40 <@Joanna> Lol true 06:40 <@Joanna> :p 06:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 609 points, T:506, killed by a potion of acid 06:48 <@Joanna> I haven't quite worked out whether that was a super mean and callous joke and to feel bad or not 06:49 ? 06:50 specify that additional authorization is required to mount resp. unlock the device # hello man page, you were written by a German 06:50 <@Joanna> Cntfai was complaining about arahael not listening earlier 06:50 <@Joanna> And I was like he never does 06:51 <@Joanna> No, literally incapable 06:51 haha that's a zinger 06:52 Joanna: In slightly bad taste, but don't worry. I'll remind you from time to time about it. ;) At least no offense was taken so the RNG was on your side. 06:52 <@Joanna> Yea that's fair 06:52 <@Joanna> Sorry 06:52 It was fine. :) 06:55 joanna i think the more aoei's are logged in to Online, the more your collective power grows. "It's the American Way" 06:56 i wnat to be clear that my earlier comments were from a place of Moral Degeneracy 06:56 <@Joanna> Hahahaha 06:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 24758 points, T:6884, killed by a warhorse 06:56 <@Joanna> My comments are always from a place of the utmost degeneracy 06:56 onl y by exercisng the first amendment can we annihiliate the Blockers, Media Trollers, and Freedom Dislikers from the computer. 06:57 <@Joanna> Lmao 06:57 https://twitter.com/PissPosts/status/1373951265433075713?s=20 06:57 https://twitter.com/PissPosts/status/1373950635121463296?s=20 06:57 G'night! 06:57 https://twitter.com/PissPosts/status/1373949328050552837?s=20 06:57 gn arahael 06:57 <@Joanna> Night arahael 06:57 https://twitter.com/PissPosts/status/1373948430431703046?s=20 07:03 -!- AmyBundlebundle has joined #hardfought 07:04 let's see if the assfuck express train has better wifi! 07:04 * aoei packages Amy into a convenient software bundle using Ruby bundle 07:05 amateurhour: will have to see if I can replicate the bug locally, I guess you can play slex again now 😀 07:06 aoei: schmusebüschlie 😍 07:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 780 points, T:1465, killed by an explosion 07:07 not going to lie, this sounds like the train for me 07:07 LOL 07:08 now that's waht I call degeneracy 07:08 haha, the assfuck express goes to Frankfurt, it's not my train though, I'm going in another direction 07:09 gotta alight before it takes off 07:09 is that the real Amy or is it someone roleplaying :P 07:09 who can say 07:09 can't it be both 07:10 -!- AmyBundlebundle1 has joined #hardfought 07:10 and if an Amy is bundlebundleherzchenscmüschel enough does it really matter who is who? 07:11 fucking wifi, man 07:11 exited the train, bam, connection died 07:11 mb deep down everyone has an Amy bundle within 07:12 when i went to vienna by train last time there was also a person from the Bahn who asked me questions 07:12 like how often do i travel and stuff 07:12 also lol as if I was someone else 😛 amateurhour: sweetheart bundle 👱‍♀️ 07:13 only teh real amy could say that with a straight face 07:13 -!- AmyBundlebundle has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:13 wth is a sweetheart bundle anyway 07:13 the emojis are concerning 07:13 the emojis are because of the tablet, which has an emoji button 07:13 i don't know but i'm 80% dead from No Ass Syndrome 07:13 CNT-FAI: mood 07:13 aoei: uhh I already told you? 07:14 AmyBundlebundle1: aha! it is the real you 07:14 We gotta get on that train 07:14 that was a test :O 07:14 CNT-FAI: kek 07:14 30 seconds until it departs 07:14 That's not the information over here, I tell ya 07:15 also "herzchenschmüschel" hahaha 😆 07:16 i was 100% making stuff up there 07:16 but somehow i can speak ur weird amy language 07:16 idk if i should be concerned by this or not 07:16 stenno what do you think 07:17 herzchensmueschel is a german expression meaning 'i am going to the bakery to get some bread' 07:17 i can't speak spanish so i only know the english vocab 07:17 like bundle 07:17 amateurhour: lmao 07:17 as opposed to herzchensbueschel 07:17 ye gods you people generate so much backscroll now 07:18 stenno: i can't tell if you're trolling me rn XD 07:18 aosdict: i have become a full-time shitposter didn i tell u 07:18 not the most lucrative career, mind 07:19 There can be no peace if you enjoy using the computer 07:19 -!- AmyBundlebundle1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:19 also i blame CNT-FAI for being an absolute riot 07:19 its her fault 07:20 fitting the name 07:20 but don't stop 07:20 anarchosyndicalism 07:20 i think she will be pleased taht you got taht 07:20 (i did not) 07:20 the good ones 07:20 the good people 07:20 I'm defending the moral values of Free Speech, Assembly & Religion ... the Negative posters must be stopped by any measn necessary 07:20 CNT-FAI: i think u have a new friend LOL 07:20 -!- AmyBundlebundle has joined #hardfought 07:21 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7_Pk6VjZlho 07:21 wifi was gone as soon as the train had left, but now a new assfuck express has arrived 😀 so I have wifi again 07:21 a las barricadas, a las barricadas 07:22 all aboard the assfuck express.... 07:22 no mobile data Amy? 07:22 The train of ass saves lives every day. 07:22 its party 07:23 speaking of anarchists and political wotsits 07:23 there was an epic riot in Bristol this weekend 07:23 because of a bill they are trying to pass in the parliament (the meta thing is it is an anti-protest bill which could result in 10 year stentences for political protests) 07:23 anyway the police didn't allow lawful protest 07:24 so rioters broke into policce station and burnt a bunch of cop vans and shit 07:24 kind of big news 07:24 in the uk rn 07:24 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 07:27 -!- AmyBundlebundle has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:28 lol 07:28 big sib lives in bristol told me all about it this morning 07:29 and it is actually kind of a scary law they are trying to pass 07:29 so im fully on side of the protesters here 07:29 i also support the "find out" part of the "fuck around and" equation 07:30 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 07:30 wait which part of waht equation are we talking about now Muad 07:30 it would be this https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/fuck-around-and-find-out 07:30 what can we say of the English... they know nothing of Assembly nor Association. 07:31 Muad: oh yes i see 07:33 lets see what sib was saying precisely "i think beause the police did not allow the protest to offficially happen...there could be no organiser becasue the organiser would have been fined..." 07:33 "so no organiser = much easier for a riot to form" 07:33 this is what i took to mean if the police had actually allowed lawful protest the result probably would have been a more um peaceful and orderly protest 07:34 to a degree 07:34 getting serious now, the English police have been ramping up their terror campaign against even peaceful candlelight vigils lately and an explosion was inevitable 07:34 Finnish cops were recently equipped with body cams, but the Police Union's demand for the officers to have a right to edit the footage SPECIFICALLY to "avoid self-incrimination" went through as well 07:35 Muad: jesus 07:35 in Bristol there are also still simmering tensions over the police's (and their right wing friends') efforts to defend racist statues 07:35 that sounds rather ominous 07:35 CNT-FAI: ah 07:36 the police were inevitably going to escalate because they have embraced their repressive role, and protesters were inevitably going to escalate because going 100% peaceful was just getting people hurt 07:36 CNT-FAI: i mean the bill that is being protested is also extremely oppressive 07:37 and threatens the right to protest at all 07:37 there are places where it just makes sense to fight that, and places wher the spark was going to be huge either way and this is an entire potion of oil 07:37 yes 07:37 its quite serious 07:37 much like Kansas City vs Ferguson here (vs in the sense of comparison) 07:37 to take a random example 07:38 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:38 unfoertunately even some English anarchists have condemned the fightback, not that this was surprising 07:38 and i may not live in the UK anymore but thats home 07:38 oh i didnt realize 07:38 in some sense 07:38 yeah i live in germany now for the last 5 years but i grew up in England 07:39 what language(s) did you learn first? 07:39 who me 07:40 just english lol i mean we had a bit of french in school, and i was raised by a russian who despised russia and did not wish to speak the langauge at home 07:40 much later in life i learnt some danish and german 07:40 Dagger of the Horde??? waht is this?? 07:40 due to actually living in thos places 07:40 CNT-FAI: some artifact i guess 07:40 right, i misread a bit and thought your family might've been germans in the UK 07:40 Muad: ah yeah that's understandable 07:41 but nah 07:41 aoei: a randomly named weapon 07:41 not an artifact, just good enchantment 07:41 aosdict: ohhh right that's a thing in xnh yea 07:41 i forgot about that 07:41 it's just a randomly named dagger, xnh and slex do that 07:41 handy when the actual dev who wrote it is on hand to clarify these things 07:41 its just really good for stabbing? 07:41 like in general 07:41 also handy is the wiki page so I don't have to pay attention to hardfought 24/7 :P 07:42 this is truew 07:42 but players be lazy aosdict 07:42 u know this 07:42 :D 07:42 okay i looked it up first 07:42 there is no page 07:42 there should be an XNetHack page 07:42 aosdict I barely read what people say on irc do u think im gonna read a war and peace length essay on the wiki??? 07:42 with a bunch of disorganised info about the game 07:42 all on a single page 07:42 disorganized?? 07:42 okay but i searched the site for dagger of the horde and that did not come up 07:42 the OLD aosdict would have made an xnh wiki 07:43 the xnh wiki article is really good btw 07:43 people LIKE it being a single page 07:43 yeah 07:43 aosdict: i am trolling you 07:43 no i appreciate it 07:43 apologies 07:43 just it's frustrating and insulting to get treated like I chose ignorance and chose to pester people over nothing 07:43 xnh has one of the best variant wiki entries, in a tierlist it would be at the top 07:43 Russian is kind of cool. I learned most of the Cyrillic letters from DayZ but don't know any actual Russian but a whole bunch of the words are just Latin or otherwise similar to words common to many European languages. also, the game has little kiosks that, once you transliterate to iso-latin, say "FAST FUD" 07:43 that's great and i love that like everyone and in this case the information was not there 07:44 there are over forty randomized weapon names so the wiki page does not enumerate them all 07:44 yeah unfortunately in this case that search method was not usdeful 07:44 but you couldn't have easily known this 07:44 you skipped over the point and went to justifying the thing that nobody was arguing against 07:44 ok but, I'm not going to change the page to add every possible searchable detail of every feature 07:45 it would get massively inflated 07:45 I also don't put new game messages on the page for the most part 07:45 you skipped over the point and - this is why i said these fucking words - went to justifying the thing that NOBODY WAS ARGUING 07:45 what are you looking for here? an apology that the text you were looking for isn't there? 07:45 Muad: i know the alphabet and few words but not enough to have meaningful conversation with anybody about anything 07:46 3rd time, please try to hear me as if i am a person outside of you who uses words to communifcate things 07:46 you skipped over the point and are starting a fight that originates with you 07:46 please clarify the point 07:46 no 07:46 communication is two ways 07:46 aosdict: no i think cntfai just feels mistreated by the implication that no effort to look at the wiki was made, due to being caught out by a corner case and not easily searchable thing 07:46 i'm not going to teach you linguistics 101 becuase you're feeling reactive and wnat to start a fight 07:47 just like you're not going to put the thing in the page which NOBODY ARGUED OR COMPLAINED ABOUT UNTIL YOU STARTED THE FIGHT 07:47 is this a fight? 07:47 K2, do we need to break this up? 07:47 yeah calling it a fight seems a lil strong maybe 07:47 * Pinkbeast remembers the last person who loved ALL CAPS, that ended well 07:48 there was no reason to make this hostile and accuse me of all this shit 07:48 i dont think any direct accusations were made either 07:48 me: ???? 07:48 if you odon't want to fight then don't 07:48 you're perceiving a lot of hostility from me that doesn't exist 07:48 let's all cool down a little and play some vidya 07:48 i directly addressed this 3 times very explicitly 07:49 you are choosing to interpret something that iddn't happen in that way becuase you decided to fight over something nobody else was complaining about 07:49 also I think this all started when you misinterpreted something I addressed to aoei as being directed to you 07:49 detecting elevating levels of metaconversation 07:49 also handy is the wiki page so I don't have to pay attention to hardfought 24/7 :P <-- directed at aoei 07:50 yeah there's all kinds of meta going on 07:50 you have decided to have this meta argument and there's no reaching you from the outside world right now 07:50 there is no reason for conflict here 07:50 I agree 07:50 yeah no need for conflict 07:51 i am glad we can all agree on that 07:51 I'm not sure what the goal is here 07:51 okay but the conflict has occurred 07:51 alright which one of you is wearing ring of conflict 07:51 * Muad puts on random rings 07:51 to stop having this incredibly stupid conflict 07:52 -!- floating_eye_bot has joined #hardfought 07:53 i recognize that my communication skill level is a major part of it i just think the meta analysis and judgement is not necessary - i appreciate that at this point i've done just as much of it and i need to adjust my reaction 07:55 just, to be clear, no one asked you to do more work or do it in a different way and it's because the rest of the room shares your perspective to begin with. i'm sorry for giving any impression to the contrary 07:56 i just thought it would be neat to learn more about the cool blade 07:56 * aoei adds dont be judgey and stuff to goals list 07:56 which has been accomplished 07:56 nice 07:57 i also hope you no longer feel judged as i dont think being judgey about you was anyones intention either 07:57 yeah im seeing that now 07:58 why are there snoring snakes at Oracle? is that a usenet oracle thing, a greek mythology thing, or something else? 07:59 by the way i like the moat 07:59 gives a sense of walking a manicured pathway for the sake of the place's vibe 08:00 which i assume is what the real life delphi site is like 08:01 ohh right theres a diff oracle map isnt there 08:01 -!- floating_eye_bot has quit [Quit: floating_eye_bot] 08:01 i should check out xnh some more its actually p cool 08:01 there's a moat shaped in a C so you have to very intentionally walk a desired path to chat with the oracle 08:01 reminds me of the main library at UCSD also 08:01 ah cool 08:02 its a snake in a tableau of paradise lost and every year the weirdo variant of christians marches up the snake and stomps on it while shouting that books are satan and we need the lord 08:03 then they go fast in a big tent nearby (i was part of a third party group investigating this to make sure it wasn't an anti-choice thing) 08:04 -!- floating_eye_bot has joined #hardfought 08:05 Muad: the code references "AEsculapius at Epidaurus". I think it's a reference to the practise that patients slept there and in the morning, the "doctors" interpreted your dreams as a hint by Asclepius for finding a cure. that's a different oracle than the one at delphi. asclepius having been associated with snakes, see his staff 08:06 bhaak, thanks! 08:07 rather esoteric 08:07 wasn't aesculapius the doctor of cesar? 08:07 -!- floating_eye_bot has left #hardfought 08:08 apparently not 08:08 this is not 100% related but i was surprised to learn that "caesar" salad was literally just a tijuana thing invetned by a chef who was actaully named cesar 08:08 has asterix lied to me 08:08 asterix is a documentary and the events depicted occurred in real time 08:10 apparently not, greek deity 08:10 I don't remember a caesar's salad reference in Asterix. but I might be wrong, it would be an obvious joke to make 08:11 i have found thje French somewhat ignorant of Tijuana culture in general 08:12 I'd say, by now it's American culture. 08:12 no it's a Mexican dish that is popular here, which is a surprisingly diffrent thing from e.g. burritos, most tacos, etc 08:13 well i shouldn't say "no", it's both which i guess is what you're saying, but more in the sense that hollywood is french culture and so on 08:13 bhaak: i thought asculapius was mentioned in 'asterix im morgenlanad' 08:13 land 08:14 when they fly over rome with the flying carpet 08:15 it's been decades since I read that one. probably only shortly after it came out 08:15 Standard means of italian tourist travel 08:15 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 08:16 CNT-FAI: I thought it was invented in Las Vegas. but anyway, from over here, it looks American. not sure if it was already well-known in Europe in the 60/70/80s though (when the buld of Asterix was written) 08:17 no it was definitely Tijuana 08:17 most vegas stuff is pretty much from everywehre else 08:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:22998 08:19 i think the cesar salad stuff was unrelated to my mentioning of asterix, bhaak 08:20 yeah just a salad fact about a guy with a spanish version of a name someone said 08:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:4701 08:26 bhaak i feel very uncomfortable and its all your fault :c 08:26 except really its rms's fault but still 08:26 holy jesus 08:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5026 08:30 did he do something again? 08:30 there was something on twitter but no thats not the point here haha 08:30 i just did not until this day realise the extent of how creepy he was 08:30 bhaak has disabused me of my ignorance 08:31 ah ok 08:31 i need details 08:31 https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/Richard_Stallman#Incidents 08:31 also this dear god https://geekfeminism.wikia.org/wiki/EMACS_virgins_joke 08:32 knowledge is power 08:33 the actual current news is aparently he rejoined FSF board 08:33 bhaak: yeah but it also feels bad soemtimes 08:33 щ（ﾟДﾟщ） 08:33 morning 08:33 aoei: there are times when ones want to smh so hard it would fall off 08:34 bhaak: LOL 08:34 i feel more like i hit a levport trap 08:34 but did not switch level or consume the trap 08:34 so the feeling persists 08:36 OH YEAH i forgot he was the virgins joke guy 08:36 gm K2 08:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5420 08:37 CNT-FAI: this guy jfc. i had heard he was "a bit of a psycho" and "kind of a creepy guy" 08:37 but im still shocked by some of these details 08:37 hey its 1337 o clock in my tz 08:37 Pog 08:39 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 08:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:43 Cntfai is becoming a Wands Haver 08:45 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 08:45 he's never been diagnosed as autistic and he claims he isn't but even if he were, then he would qualify as high functional. in either case, it's just his own decision to be abrasive. this behavior might have been tolerated in the 70s but if you don't change your behavior over such a long time, it's your own problem if society doesn't like it 08:45 https://twitter.com/EmmaHouxbois/status/1373498474637848577/photo/4 08:46 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:46 high functioning turns out to just be a justification to deny care to most autistics, high support need is the measure we tend to take anymore bc we are all low and high functioning 08:47 high or low that is 08:47 he's low but really he's just one of the many men who do misogyny at work 08:48 yea 08:49 a lotof men perpetuate teh outdated guesstimate that autism is a social disorder so they can get away with i 08:49 but like ofc tons of allistic men exist like this also just using different excuses 08:50 right 08:52 torn between playing some slex in lunch break or more splicehack 08:53 as a certified fake psychiatrist i can confirm that autism has significant comorbidity with a number of personality disorders which go underdiagnosed because autism is used to explain the symptoms. source: PIDOOMA, 2021 08:54 Muad: lmao 08:54 Muad: its actually earmarked for DSM6 already p sure 08:54 its not my claim, most autistic adults ive met have been struggling without care from one of these excuses and autistics have written about this stuff a lot 08:55 CNT-FAI, yes, i was joking but really more than half serious 08:55 right but the problem is 08:55 you're minimizing the problem in general to men with personality disorders 08:56 nobody made the claim you're implying bc all kinds of men use whatever excuse they can, usually in a more complex manner than standing up and saying "I am high functioning autistic" or "I am from the past" 08:57 i actually agree with you on this 08:57 its a very big problem that governments and services (and parent groups) designate autistic ppl this way and it hurts a lot of ppl 08:57 yea 08:57 i was gonna go on with "these personality disorders are such that they are usually only diagnosed when family members force the subject to therapy" 08:57 thats' bigger than rms is all im saying, its a coincidence that this particular creep we're discussing allows poeple to think he has some special pass 08:57 idk if personality disorders are correlated to begin with honestly 08:58 correlated with autism diagnoses? i do believe so 08:58 strongly, even 08:58 to the behavior we are discussing! 08:59 i've met all kinds of men who were perfectly compassionate in official day to day life bc that's the thing now, or because they really cared and then turned around and did way creepy shit and theres whole wikis of them in tech 08:59 all right, sorry. because i am a fake psychiatrist i tend to believe most forms of bad behavior are at least mild forms of disordered personality 08:59 i just feel like it's minimizing a societal wide problem 08:59 not the right word but like that its effect is minimizing 09:00 agreed. i remember there was talk of entirely removing narcissistic PD as being "the norm" now 09:00 hold up 09:00 wdym by that one muad 09:00 unpack that for me real quick 09:00 pls 09:01 fake psychiatrist to fake psychiatrist 09:01 i try not to get too strongly opinionated toward the NPD literature bc i think its measuring a group of people for their thing, that is not always related to how laypeople think of someone as narcissistic 09:01 are we talkinga bout like narcissistic PD as a "default diagnosis for bad behaviour" and removing that, or am I misinterpreting this badly 09:01 i remember there being serious claims that the entirety of narcissistic personality disorder no longer being relevant and thus being considered for removal from DSM-5; the rationale was that the criteria are so very common in American life that a huge number of the population would technically be diagnosable 09:02 that is interesting 09:02 no, narcissistic PD is very much one of those that is only diagnosed when close family members or law enforcement forces the person to therapy or diagnosis 09:02 do you know what the major criteria are considered to be 09:02 the main issue for me in the world of NPD diagnostics and epistemology is that what the larger culture calls narcissistic and is interested in discussing as such are also the people who write diagnostic manuals 09:03 <{Demo}3> aint nobody's business what im up to if it don't affect u 09:03 NPD itself is like walter white level shit 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:18019 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18020 09:03 uh, callous, manipulative behavior, lack of remorse, feelings of superiority and entitlement, tendency for projection, need for attention and praise 09:03 yea this was also something i was wondering about CNT-FAI, actual DSM criteria vs colloquialisms 09:04 not to say that's the one he has but like when youre talking about NPD or antisocial personality disorder its like serial killer level clinical problem 09:04 Muad: is it really thought that a huge number of people would fit that?? 09:04 Muad: Desire to claim you won the election? 09:04 well you'd be diagnosed because people notice that you love to torture people every day 09:04 in a lot of cases 09:04 or because you did 6 murders for fun 09:04 Pinkbeast: hahahaha 09:04 Pinkbeast: took me a moment 09:04 or like ur a work or school bully 09:04 aoei, the proposal specifically referred to business life as having vast numbers 09:05 Muad: ok that i can kinda buy more maybe 09:05 it explains why this society and economy are grim evil shit 09:05 still seems like a significant claim 09:05 PDs all have as a basic criterium a significant degree of personal distress or failure in goal oriented behavior 09:05 its not just business 09:06 Muad: i thik i need to see a shrink myself tbh... 09:06 if anything that's a more diverse group of personality disordered people (i don't know if this is the case) than a lot of NPD associated professions like government, media, professional religion/politics organizing, entertainment, sports 09:06 altho today my goals are pretty simple: drink water, ya dingus! 09:06 aoei, oh, don't bother! personality disorders are largely untreatable 09:06 remember to breathe 09:06 and eat 09:06 Muad: well, F 09:06 "Desire to steal the Amulet of Yendor" is a well known psychological problem 09:06 Pinkbeast: rofl 09:07 <{Demo}3> we should just euthanize or contain all the people with personality disorders we find potentially harmful 09:07 aoei, worrying about your own sanity rules out a whole bunch of them! it's normal 09:07 {Demo}3, yes, but only those that have different ones than I do 09:07 a guy with NPD would be given therapy because everyone around him was so exhausted with his shit, its way different from what most people think of as a therapy session where youre in a nonjudgmental space~ with healing techniques 09:07 <{Demo}3> yeah 09:08 Muad: real talk tho i think i may have some form of general anxiety disorder, some handwavy ASD boxes ticked, trouble with focus/attn., and issues with past trauma 09:08 my dad got something like that like homer gets where its liike "doing violence to your child is bad, here is how to meet minimum expectations of those around you" 09:08 or in homers case "strangling is bad" 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1013 09:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:21896 09:09 they dont bother trying to cure it anymore bc narcissists just learn the language and manipulate them too 09:09 somebody i met and befriended sortofrecently told me they were narcissistic but that that was ok because it just meant they thought they were awesome 09:09 that's how a lot of them and ASPD see it 09:09 but that wasnt actually the creepy and controlling thing that same person texted me that made decide to stop seeing them 09:10 i was in personal crisis like 10 years back about whether to stay friends with a couple who i knew had personality disorders and the man was violent as shit like a real law n order villain 09:10 <{Demo}3> i just dont fuck with ppl if they r 2 crazy in an unstable way that causes too many problems 09:10 that sounds kinda intense 09:10 a guy in the MZX community was like sincerely "hi im and im a sociopath. i would sell you for a million dollars" 09:10 <{Demo}3> but if they can keep their shit together then they aren't too crazy 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 528 points, T:1094, killed by a wounded centipede 09:11 its a whole differnet animal than mental illness 09:11 whats MZX? 09:11 also yeah that's scary shit lol 09:11 MegaZeux was a game creation system i've mentiond a couple times from the 90s 09:11 oic 09:11 <{Demo}3> anybody that would self identify as a sociopath is a fucking knob 09:12 self identifying as a narcissist also struck me as odd 09:12 no its a thing 09:12 huh 09:12 <{Demo}3> is it like AA but for sociopaths but the world is your AA group? 09:12 it proves that their problems aren't because they're ~defective~ or whatever they think it means theyre special and powerful 09:12 more like torture 09:12 oh the therapy itslef is like 09:13 CNT-FAI: the way they phrased it did kinda soujnd like that 09:13 "im special/powerful" 09:13 there was an article in Finland like 10 years ago that claimed a reasonably good way to find out if someone's NPD was to ask them if they were one.. a large number would simply go "yep, what of it?" with pride 09:13 literally just the time and place for society to impose its will on hte narcissist 09:13 it struck me as odd at the time 09:13 like uh in scrubs 09:13 the attending who abuses everyone he likes 09:13 <{Demo}3> aoei "im special/powerful" sounds like some shit someone on a manic bend would be on about 09:13 theyre kinda like cats 09:14 {Demo}3: nah, I just am special 09:14 {Demo}3, from my manic-depressive father i remember that the manic phase is exactly like that 09:14 {Demo}3: yahuh. altho the actual wording was me this person hang ing out at there place, out of the lbue goes "btw im a narcissist" 09:14 "..." 09:14 "but that just means i think im awesome" 09:14 and me thinking 09:14 "ooookayyyy" 09:14 https://twitter.com/JHWeissmann/status/1373973266507960320?s=20 09:14 thanks for the warning, bud 09:15 yeah i stay away bc the shit going on in private or relative private is horrifying 09:16 oh its like the therapy in the sopranos 09:16 where the point is to contain the person and teach him the skills he needed to stop abusing/murdering/whatever but he probably kinda won't 09:16 also dexter 09:17 i dint really see sopranos 09:17 i watched a few seasons of dexter tho 09:18 I liked the one where Dexter's sister gets into the lab and ruins his experiments 09:18 haha 09:18 <{Demo}3> lol 09:18 hahahahaha 09:18 yeah Pinkbeast i loved taht show too 09:18 THERE IS DOOM AND GLOOM 09:18 WHILE THINGS GO BOOM 09:18 in dexters laaaaaaab 09:19 i meant the showtime ~prestige drama about the serial killer who kills other serial killers 09:20 yeah CNT-FAI i think that was not lost on present and attending 09:20 but the ref to the cartoon was hilarious 09:20 this is peak Pinkbeast deadpan 09:20 <3 09:23 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 09:26 aoei, i didn't comment on your real talk because all i could think of is "you, me, and basically everyone i know". join the club! we meet on the internet, 24/7 09:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:27 Muad: LOL 09:27 sounds about right 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 300 points, T:302, killed by a deceased acid blob 09:34 the Dagger of the Horde is awesome i just one shot a gnome at XL2 09:34 Pog 09:34 tbh regular gnomes are weak shit 09:34 barb will oneshot them with starting weapon 09:34 tbf barb gets the strongest starting weapon of any class 09:34 but still 09:35 yes but this is a priestess entirely not specializing in thrown knives 09:35 ok yea 09:35 thats pretty nice lol 09:35 CNT-FAI: i rmemebered one of my goals was remember food so i remembered cereal :3 09:35 nice 09:46 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 242 points, T:935, sent to the next life by a gecko 09:51 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:51 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 09:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Law), 813 points, T:2305, killed by an uninjured gnome lady, while sleeping off a magical draught 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 656 points, T:935, killed by an uninjured Woodland-elf, while being frightened to death 10:02 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1530 10:04 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 667 points, T:1585, dispatched by a monkey 10:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 575 points, T:1124, killed by a heavily wounded gnome lord 10:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler, on T:29028 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class R), on T:657 10:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 548 points, T:1156, killed by a dwarf lord 10:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:22353 10:24 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:24 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1463 10:29 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 10:32 -!- Septieme has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:35 <@nabru> ! coffee 10:35 * Beholder hands @nabru a mug of cafe latte, fermented by FCCBot at 224 Kelvin. 10:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Lord Surtur, on T:30484 10:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30487 10:36 mornin there nabru 10:37 how we doin 10:37 <@nabru> Morning, doing fine 10:38 -!- Borto has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:39 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 10:42 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:39848 10:56 -!- microlance has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 crude daggers on an altar, on T:3018 10:57 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 11:01 !tell tommo film thing depends on exactly when i crash/how long i sleep. i will not be offended if you go ahead and watch it without me lol :P but ill def ping u if im awake/online 11:01 I'm on it, aoei. 11:02 is there a sekret film club 11:02 i told them they should see The Breaker Upperers and they suggested watching it same time lol 11:03 that's a sweet idea 11:03 but they're off work midnight german time 11:03 have u seen it 11:03 its so epic lol 11:03 I haven't even heard of it, heh 11:03 it seems to be one of the lesser known Waititi movies 11:03 but it's amazing 11:03 i've watched it twice at least and well up for seeing it again lol 11:05 i still havent seen jojo rabbit 11:05 is on list 11:05 amateurhour: have you seen hunt for the wilderpeople or what we do in the shadows? 11:05 for a second my mind got that film confused with who framed roger rabbit 11:05 haha 11:06 I've not seen any of those 3 you just mentioned 11:06 :D 11:06 OMG 11:06 I don't really watch a lot of films 11:06 ok fair but 11:06 waititi and those particular movies 11:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:8445 11:06 some of my favourite things to be produced like ever 11:06 honestly not even exaggerating 11:06 don't think I've seen any of their films 11:06 have you seen thor ragnarok 11:06 more mainstream 11:07 he is the reason that film is actually good 11:07 (imo) 11:07 can't remember, stopped watching superhero films 11:07 yeah same generally 11:07 which is why that one is notable for not being teh suck 11:07 I think I stopped caring maybe after iron man 2? 11:07 [hdf-eu] [slshm] HarmathZsolt (Und Hob Fem Law), 332 points, T:607, killed by a dretch 11:07 and waititi is p much why that movie is actually fun 11:07 not seen any marvel/dc things since then 11:07 idk maybe I'm a hipster 11:08 i havent seen a lot either honestly 11:08 it was by chance that i saw thor ragnarok at some point, but i already knew waititi anyway, just thought it might be a more relatable example cuz mainstream fillums 11:08 when I heard about some liek 100 year schedule of films I doubled down on the not-watching front 11:08 anyway best intro ehhhhhhhhh 11:08 probably waht we do in the shadows 11:08 that movie is fantastic 11:09 but i havent seen anything waititi has done that i haven't loved 11:09 he's just so funny 11:09 has quite a unique sense of humour or smth idk 11:10 why do everyone but me prefer the dwarf valk so much? is it the safer and faster mines and extra con that does it? will a bunch a dorf valks raise my chances at that prestigious 3rd or even 2nd spot on realtime? 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3905 11:10 what do you prefer to dwarf valk? 11:10 microla: scum dwarf valk for 20 con 11:11 have massive hp growth 11:11 run game fast 11:11 i like my mines hostile 11:11 honestly it probably doesn't make *that* huge difference 11:11 yeah so does stenno 11:11 honestly i think it's player/flavour choice 11:11 there are also other nice things about non-human tho 11:11 infravision in the dark 11:12 not worrying about cannibalism if using mmf polyform 11:12 this only comes up in a fraction of valk speedruns tho 11:12 it's not worth spending wishes on polykit, but nice if you find one 11:13 i think what really hurts you is if you for some reason pick neutral human valk 11:13 but im sure ur not that nuts 11:13 i dont when i try nowadays. that wasnt a conscious effort 11:14 also did i see something about 2nd spot on realtime eh 11:14 i will be thrilled if u beat my pb microla :3 11:14 i ain't beating lux anytime soon and its fun to have a time to run against lol! 11:15 i think its possible, if i watch some luxi vods and get the correct meta 11:15 iirc you had pretty decent pb already right 11:15 the meta is not that complicated, personally i mostly wasted time checking my inventory too much 11:16 get excal, check mt quickly for magic lamp (GDSM wish if so), soko optional but you ideally want a bag of holding from there if you can run soko fast 11:16 ideal run gets [oR from Medusa 11:16 stashing is a pain and you want to fast travel and pick up a lot of loot on the way to castle, hence BoH 11:17 buttonmash through any beehives or thronerooms you find on the way down 11:17 beat castle, get amulet, win game 11:17 there's something about doing ther quest in there somewhere 11:18 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 11:18 usually its wishing for the gain lvl pots to go quest after castle together with a tlp cntr ring or something and hope you have found cursed water or a bunch of cursed tele for me 11:18 depending what you have by the time you get the castle wand you may need to wish for geno scrolls but levporting out of the valley while surrounded by wraith saves resources and can be done fairly quick 11:18 yeah that might be smarter 11:18 teleport control is nice to have but not worth the wish unless you hav ea lot of wishes 11:19 eat egg and read normal tele scroll for random levport 11:19 usually lands you close enough to quest 11:19 you should have a pickaxe and autodig switched on for if you land too high 11:19 then it takes no time at all to descend to quest portal level 11:20 sometimes you don't levport high enough and need to read more scrolls but it usually works out fine 11:20 but but with teleport control you can skip so much, its nice. it feels good going in getting quest and lvlporting to 99 11:20 also you can now search for < with the OoF 11:20 microla: yes i love it too, and it does save time 11:20 but its not strictly necessary for like sub-2h 11:21 i havent done a run with < search with the orb yet properly, but saves you a lot of scrolls/markers on magic mapping 11:21 just recharge the oof instead 11:21 if your'e running nao you have to use magic mapping scrolls 11:22 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) wished for "fixed unlit extinguished thoroughly uncursed very historic locked magic marker named i wouldn't need this if i hadn't zapped a cursed wand of cancellation", on T:70398 11:22 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22 -!- stenno2 is now known as stenno 11:23 is that some real new update, can you search for the ~ square with it too now? 11:23 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) wished for "thoroughly historic very blessed greased fireproof fixed unlabeled very very magic harp named i bet i can charm sheldon with this prop. a. farrah fowler", on T:70399 11:23 microla: one mistake i make besides compulsory invent management/unnecessary IDing or polypiling of rings is compulsively dipping stuff every time i see water 11:23 try to cut that down, maybe do a last round of dippiing in the sanctum moat after invok if necessary 11:23 microla: yeah that's pretty new altho i think even in 3.6.6 you can search for ^ (including VS) with it 11:24 however in 3.6.6 it's a more difficult roll against int so often won't work for vlak 11:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:31714 11:24 searching for < is 3.7.0 specific tho 11:24 will also show _, good for seeing that you have Orcus Town 11:24 <{Demo}3> orcus porcus 11:24 <{Demo}3> its like hocus pocus but for undead magic 11:29 <@Gilette> Test test 11:29 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed the invisible bouquet's ghost, the former Kokushu, on T:78449 11:30 <@Gilette> Does this work? 11:30 oh yeah microla if you havent already read it, luxi has a guide on wiki one secc 11:30 ye Gilette we're reading you IRC side 11:31 microla: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Luxidream/How_to_win_really_fast 11:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9831 11:35 microla: idk what else to recommend except don't get haxxed by Yeenoghu on dl6 with the amulet, or cancel your whole inventory nearly at the planes 11:36 https://i.pinimg.com/564x/2d/7d/df/2d7ddfac27bd7a918d587c223854bcb2.jpg 11:37 amateurhour: hahaha 11:40 and in the darkness dwells the minotaur and the trolls 11:41 <{Demo}3> just dont die and play fast 11:42 zap poly wand at mino 11:42 if you're still squishy 11:42 it is unlikely to turn into something worse 11:42 <@luxidream> >wishing for gain level pots 11:42 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2464 points, T:2423, killed by an invisible dwarf lord 11:42 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 11:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class R, on T:33883 11:43 <@luxidream> I think this is worse than genocide because there is no backup if you don’t get enough 11:43 its stupid yes, but ive done it. not thinking about revgerno 11:43 i didnt even think to comment on that idea hah 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:70444 11:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:70445 11:44 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3710 11:44 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:3710 11:45 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3761 11:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:32257 11:45 in general wishing for scrolls also makes me go but ehehhhhhhhhhh 11:45 you just often don't have enough stuff id'd to write the things you want 11:45 <@luxidream> can’t always get lucky and find it 11:45 and geno is so expensive if you get all 3 11:45 just roll the dice on writing them, if u dont get it then its not teh urn 11:45 geno is value, you only need two and you will often get both 11:45 its actually a pretty solid value wish 11:46 microla: i actually wish for 3 usually 11:46 <@luxidream> I agree with 3 11:46 <@luxidream> Quite often it’s two for wraiths and one for dragon scales 11:46 i like having one left over for L but yeah 11:47 assuming you have holy water if you get 3 scrolls 1x wraith, 1x gray dragons, 1x blessed for L is optimal 11:47 not genoing L is hell. the wizard can fuck you up on the ascension with L alive 11:47 yeah i mean you write the scroll if you have to 11:48 but quest comes first so wish for 3 cursed geno 11:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 250 points, T:1935, killed by an acidic corpse 11:48 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha) stole 5683 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Tuktoyaktuk's general store, on T:4024 11:48 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 11:48 I used to play genoless a lot and I don't really find L all that bad in a normal run 11:48 but it takes time to kill them 11:48 realtiem speedrun prefers to geno 11:49 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 11:49 100% 11:49 <@luxidream> If you don’t have polyself 11:49 <@luxidream> It’s impossible 11:49 hasted mmf makes short work of them yeah 11:49 my best time is nogeno with mjollnir. but thats and exception 11:49 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha) stole 100 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Bandjar's delicatessen, on T:4070 11:50 <@luxidream> Better than vorpal probably 11:50 actually even without speed you'll frequenly get off two rounds and get the kill,but you probably want to be hasted 11:50 L are like speed 9 naturally 11:50 i think all of them are but not 100% sure on that 11:50 but you need high damage output per round or they'll just port and heal 11:51 mmf or minotaur works but you're not gonna be using minotaur unless you're doing some very special strats like monk or something 11:51 i actually really love minotaur as a polyform tho lol 11:51 its fun for minturns 11:52 <{Demo}3> they call me the fightin' titan 11:52 titan form sucks for combat unfortunately 11:52 great travel form 11:52 can you wear the eyes as an air elemental and be able to see? 11:52 also great for air 11:52 amateurhour: um i think tehy might actually stay on you when poly'd yea 11:52 not 100% sure on that 11:52 im gonna wiztest this rn real quick 11:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:32389 11:53 there are some other annoying things about being air E 11:53 oddly enough you can zap wands without having hands (at least you can in 3.6.6, this may be changed in 3.7.0) 11:54 i think in 3.7 dragon cannot zap wands, so that may apply to air E also 11:54 how do you carry the your equipment without a solid form? 11:54 inventory inexplicably still exists but your ability to interact with it is limited 11:54 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 11:55 i should double check the wand zapping thing in wizmode honestly, please nobody take my word about that 11:55 but iirc i tried it 11:55 and it somehow worked 11:56 <@luxidream> On my monk i used a lot of big forms 11:56 big forms are fuhn 11:56 <@luxidream> I actually liked xorn way more 11:56 <{Demo}3> big fighting forms!!! 11:56 <@luxidream> Avoiding combat >> fighting 11:56 xorn is good cuz you can phase and cast 11:56 <{Demo}3> i ran a monk with phasing once 11:56 <{Demo}3> it was INSANE 11:56 <{Demo}3> this was on 3.6.0 11:56 i love xorn too 11:56 3.6.6 mino can't cast, but xorn can 11:57 3.7.0 mino can cast again 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) genocided electric eels, on T:70596 11:57 mino without casting kinda sucks, you need healing spell or regen for it to be a useful fighting form 11:57 <{Demo}3> how does polyform casting change? 11:57 <{Demo}3> from 343 to 360 11:57 <{Demo}3> err, 36x 11:57 m_silent monsters cannot cast 11:57 <{Demo}3> ???? 11:57 nor can m_buzz or m_somethingthatjabberwocksdo 11:57 <{Demo}3> how does it change from 36x to 370? 11:58 <{Demo}3> oh moo 11:58 afaik the only change from 36x to 370 is minos are no longer m_silent 11:58 <{Demo}3> so it doesnt change 11:58 and so they can cast 11:58 but jabberwock still cannot 11:58 <{Demo}3> so basically antigulp saved mino for 370 11:58 yeap 11:58 and i am extremely grateful 11:58 for this 11:58 lol 11:58 BilldaCat only uses mmf all the time he's missing out on so much fun shit 11:59 <@luxidream> So you can’t phase on astral right 11:59 did i mention big forms cannot be engulfed 11:59 <@luxidream> At all 11:59 great for air 11:59 <{Demo}3> luxidream i think you can phase through doors diagonally 11:59 <@luxidream> Never tried it 11:59 <{Demo}3> but other than that, no 11:59 <{Demo}3> its non passable 11:59 ok fair 11:59 <{Demo}3> but you can still diagonal doors 11:59 ive never tried xorn on astral 11:59 remember xorn has one downsid, base speed 9 11:59 not too bad if you're hasted 11:59 <@luxidream> That’s cool but probably not worth it 11:59 but still not the best 12:00 <@luxidream> oof ok 12:00 mino has worse AC 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4320 points, T:6225, killed by a slightly wounded ape 12:00 <{Demo}3> i play actually fun nethack variants 12:00 but base speed 15 12:00 <@luxidream> Maybe o will leave it for my real-time funnies 12:00 <{Demo}3> where theres shitloads more phasing sources 12:00 hasted puts you up to like 20 12:00 or something 12:00 in avg speed points 12:00 clockwork gods and their perma phaseing 12:00 2/3 * 12 = what somebody help quick maths 12:01 8 12:01 <@luxidream> PhD here folks 12:01 15 + 8 is 23 effective movement is on average 23 points per turn as minotaur 12:01 shut up lux i haven't slept in ages 12:01 <@luxidream> I’m just teasing 12:01 i know lol 12:01 <@luxidream> Make take a nap before your interview 12:01 <@luxidream> Maybe* 12:01 what interview 12:02 ive done everything there is to do for that job 12:02 <@luxidream> oh ok 12:02 they confirmed this morning redceipt of my JS coding test thing 12:02 <@luxidream> maybe take a nap anyway 12:02 i will know the outcome of the d3 in a few days 12:02 i probably should yea 12:03 <@luxidream> Mino can wear speed boots right 12:03 yep 12:03 <@luxidream> Same as xorn 12:03 <@luxidream> Pretty sure 12:03 right but xorn works out as 9 + 8 = average of 17 points per turn 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:36028 12:03 <{Demo}3> you dont need to wear speedboots if u can keep haste self up\ 12:03 cuz very fast is a 2/3 chance of 12 extra points each turn 12:03 Demo: correct 12:04 and you can infinitely stack it too 12:04 <{Demo}3> yes 12:04 so speed boots are not really necessary 12:04 tho somewhat convenient 12:04 <{Demo}3> yeah just set a max turncount and cast it enough times lol 12:04 there are some forms with more base speed points that can't wear the boots 12:04 yeah p much 12:04 [hdf-au] [spl] naoky (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 13617 points, T:5463, done in by a fire elemental 12:04 i should work out waht that is for a serious minturns run in order to not waste resources over-casting it 12:05 i think titan is base speed 18 and air E something like 24 12:05 so hasted air E is 32 average points a turn 12:06 almost three actions per turn 12:06 but really annoying form to use 12:06 <@luxidream> Xorn can phase through sanctum wall too 12:06 <@luxidream> Instead of having to find the door 12:06 ok that's actually great 12:06 <{Demo}3> you can also cheese graveyard 12:06 <{Demo}3> if you can keep it asleep 12:06 i hadn't thought of that 12:06 yeah graveyard skip is nice 12:06 you can skip a lot of the valley as xorn too 12:07 there's a liil piece that's unphaseable lux mentioned 12:07 <{Demo}3> theres a wall 12:07 <{Demo}3> with a hole in it 12:07 <@luxidream> Yeah you expose yourself for a couple turns 12:07 <{Demo}3> a wall of unphasble that is 12:07 <@luxidream> But I didn’t die so whatever 12:07 yeah, i also didn't have any major problems using xorn in the valley afaicr 12:08 it's pretty great 12:08 <@luxidream> Imagine walking through valley though 12:08 <@luxidream> Cursed gain level? 12:08 yeah cursed gain level is much better 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:36923 12:08 but xorn path saves a lot of turns all the same, if you haven't got c!oGL 12:08 its way more direct 12:08 than the full walk lol 12:09 the valley is tedious, but medusa or castle or asmos lair takes longer to travel through im sure 12:10 <@luxidream> Electric eel Medusa is the worst thing in the world 12:10 xorn skip is fantastic for asmo 12:10 probably best value for xorn is that level 12:10 altho in 3.7.0 you can skip loads of the walk with just regular tele now 12:11 <@luxidream> Oh for asmo I found the teleport region is slightly larger than the lair 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2548 12:11 <@luxidream> So you can teleport close to stairs 12:11 lux: i have good results with teleporting only up/down 12:11 and not sideways 12:11 if you get what i mean 12:11 <@luxidream> You can also go left or right 12:11 <@luxidream> I’ve gotten it to work 12:12 i feel ilke if you go too far left/right (to where the stair is) it doesn't work 12:12 but tbh i haven't tested this enough 12:12 could be wrong 12:12 3.6.6 air E still wears the Eyes btw 12:12 and can pick things up from the floor somehow 12:13 -!- Guest87342 is now known as dead 12:13 seems to even be able to put on/remove the Eyes whut 12:13 -!- dead has quit [Changing host] 12:13 -!- dead has joined #hardfought 12:13 and yeah zapping wands also works 12:14 i have a feeling 3.7.0 changes stuff here tho 12:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:37476 12:14 <@luxidream> yea my eyes fell off in 3.7 12:14 <@luxidream> sadge 12:14 can put on the Eyes 12:15 but attempting to wear armour says "don't even bother." haha 12:15 yeah ok 12:15 i am almost certain 3.7.0 air E can't zap wands anymore either 12:15 <@luxidream> right 12:15 pretty sure when i accidentally became a silver dragon or something i couldn't zap polywand at self 12:15 <@luxidream> also cloud lightning is actual lightning and will destroy wands and rings 12:15 <@luxidream> which is fun 12:15 eventually realised i *could* Zap force bolt at self 12:15 <@luxidream> as I found out 12:15 oh jeez lol 12:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2092 points, T:2737, killed by a wounded giant mimic 12:16 i think that coulld happen back in 3.4.3 days too actually 12:16 you just dont see it happen often somehow 12:16 <@luxidream> yeah but now the clouds are everywhere and not easily avoided 12:16 right yeah that too 12:16 <@luxidream> clouds were static in 3.4.3 12:16 yea 12:18 Idiomatic Rust always passes pointer and size for strings and slices. It wasn't until I ported a couple codebases from C to Rust, that I realized just how many C functions only take a pointer to memory, without a size, and hope for the best (the size is either known indirectly from the context, or just assumed to be large enough for the task). 12:18 roflmao 12:18 Rust reasons 12:18 -!- Septieme has joined #hardfought 12:19 -!- Septieme has quit [Client Quit] 12:20 the best quote on this whole page (https://kornel.ski/rust-c-speed), however: "Clever" memory use is frowned upon in Rust. In C, anything goes. For example, in C I'd be tempted to reuse a buffer allocated for one purpose for another purpose later (a technique known as HEARTBLEED). 12:20 Pascal was derided from C devs for having a string data type with included length 12:21 bhaak: I used to think like those bad C programmers 12:21 but I was a misguided teen in the naughties 12:21 that is my defence 12:21 some of these people were professionals and grownups 12:22 what excuse have they got 12:23 being old white greybeards 12:23 haha 12:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:29030 12:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:13014 12:26 I don't think that was the heartbleed bug aoei 12:26 well if the author of the post got taht wrong it is less funny 12:26 wasn't it simply the lack of a bounds checking on buffer size? 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38512 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38513 12:27 i do not at present know what the source of heartbleed in openssl was 12:27 know/remember 12:27 https://xkcd.com/1354/ 12:27 not so much as buffer reuse, as a simple overrun 12:28 hm, maybe reuse was also part of it? 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 309 points, T:754, killed by an uninjured giant mimic 12:29 also much as i love xkcd i wouldn't exactly take it as the de facto explanation for a CVE xD 12:33 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) killed the invisible Famine, on T:70932 12:33 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) killed the Black Horse, on T:70933 12:33 oh, this is interesting 12:33 On the same aspect, Theo de Raadt, founder and leader of the OpenBSD and OpenSSH projects, has criticized the OpenSSL developers for writing their own memory management routines and thereby, he claims, circumventing OpenBSD C standard library exploit countermeasures, saying "OpenSSL is not developed by a responsible team."[179][180] 12:34 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:79359 12:36 aosdict: but yeah seems it was indeed not an issue of reuse in the sense described in that joke in the rust article 12:36 new memory was allocated, but uninitialised and of whatever size the malicious user said 12:37 and stuff hangs around in memory regardless of intentional reuse 12:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:13748 12:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:34263 12:42 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 12:42 man being up all night nad morning sucks the Ass 12:43 mood 12:43 im too nervous about jobby thing 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) murdered his faithful black dragon, on T:70995 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) murdered his faithful black dragon, on T:70995 12:43 i should nap tho 12:43 same for vaccine 12:43 :c 12:43 f 12:43 i wil try to nap 12:43 <@luxidream> vaccine is good 12:43 <@luxidream> be excited :3 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:70996 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) murdered his faithful black dragon, on T:70996 12:44 idk if its good for my overall sleep routine but i hope i wake up in good time to watch this fillum with tommo lul 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) killed the saddled White Horse, on T:71001 12:47 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) wished for "very historic thoroughly blessed very historic unlocked greased magic marker named holy shit i didn't want this to happen", on T:71003 12:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 63 points, T:170, killed by a wounded kobold zombie 12:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 11 points, T:125, killed by an uninjured jackal 12:50 yike 12:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 4 points, T:43, killed by a killer bee 12:57 'fillum' sounds like a nethack function 12:57 its just a funky way of saying film lol 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu) wished for "very very historic very very very blessed thoroughly figurine of a woodchuck name queen carla, first of her name, digger of deep tunnels, hog of all the hedges, and chucker of much wood", on T:71077 13:02 [hdf-us] [slex] RohoDragon (Dra Xra Mal Law) received Waller Smack from Enki, on T:11043 13:03 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Cav Gia Mal Neu), 5007528 points, T:71079, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/evilhack/dumplog/1615815243.evil.html 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3102 13:03 hothraxxa: grats 13:03 ty 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3145 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Kunoichi, on T:3219 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Bliss56's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:3219 13:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:1040 13:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] hilliance (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinator, on T:15203 13:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 204 points, T:715, killed by an uninjured fox 13:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1626 points, T:1991, killed by a magic missile 13:16 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] burningchrome (Val Hum Fem Law), 573153 points, T:26400, drowned in a pool of water by an electric eel 13:34 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:42 [hdf-eu] [spl] amateurhour (Mon Chn Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3881 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:40414 13:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3 13:59 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:81404 14:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed ezion's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:5124 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a gecko corpse, on T:3369 14:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:32033 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:5293 14:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5937 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:6249 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:6256 14:23 [hdf-eu] [spl] amateurhour (Mon Chn Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5562 14:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:23036 14:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:33298 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:7809 14:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:2131 14:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1843 points, T:2359, quit 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2815 points, T:1449, quit 14:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:43 gvhnjjjjjjjjjjjjjjjj 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3974 points, T:8502, killed by an uninjured soldier ant 14:46 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 418 points, T:998, killed by a small mimic 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 528 points, T:1412, killed by an uninjured giant ant 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:4865 14:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:2151 15:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Elf Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2760 15:04 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1510 points, T:1325, killed by a wounded lizard 15:05 go team :! 15:05 !lastgame nabru 15:05 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1616438431.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1605872855.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3463 15:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 1167 points, T:2918, quit 15:05 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:84008 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3518 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priestess of Poseidon, on T:3530 15:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed magic mirror of merlin", on T:2438 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:2617 15:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] SamG (Sam Hum Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2767 15:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:7995 15:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:35398 15:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35401 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Gia Fem Law), 10 points, T:132, killed by a grid bug 15:17 -!- Roho has joined #hardfought 15:17 hi 15:17 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 15:17 Umbire: Message from amateurhour at 2021-03-22 06:09 EDT: didn't mean it in a mocking way sry 15:17 Umbire: Message from @Joanna at 2021-03-22 06:12 EDT: I see I'm not the only one with sleep issues currently 15:17 Funny. 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3720 15:20 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Mal Law), 804 points, T:2136, killed by a kitten 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "elbereth", on T:3732 15:23 what's funny? 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 2047 points, T:4246, killed by a wounded Woodland-elf 15:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 91 points, T:196, burned by molten lava 15:26 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:84819 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:774 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Stef75 (Val Hum Fem Law), 703 points, T:1331, killed by a wounded jaguar 15:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:9623 15:39 -!- el_senor_test has joined #hardfought 15:41 -!- el_senor_test has quit [Client Quit] 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1134 15:47 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 15:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Tonttu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:87819 15:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide T-shirt of drain resistance", on T:41146 15:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 mithril helm of speed", on T:41146 15:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide jumping boots", on T:41147 15:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2084 16:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:41375 16:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 16:06 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 16:14 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) averted death (zombified by an ettin zombie), on T:9377 16:14 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 20384 points, T:9419, zombified by an ettin zombie 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3091 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3151 16:21 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu), 268 points, T:662, killed by a dwarf 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had a leather armor entrusted to him by Set, on T:12736 16:32 [hdf-us] [slex] RohoDragon (Dra Xra Mal Law) killed Denise, on T:13970 16:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 tie-dye shirt of Shambhala", on T:24088 16:37 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 473 points, T:973, killed by a giant bat 16:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:39 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scroll of charging", on T:40620 16:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:40621 16:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) killed the invisible Oona, on T:24190 16:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:40673 16:45 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4104 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5446 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:4262 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4265 16:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 319763 points, T:27490, killed by an invisible stalker 16:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] stenno (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 3977 points, T:2481, killed by a mumak 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] priyavt (Mon Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:1766 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] priyavt (Mon Hum Mal Law), 293 points, T:1770, killed by a bolt of fire 17:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:11 @d?dread seraph 17:11 dread seraph (Z) | Lvl: 54 | Diff: 27 | Spd: 16 | Res: cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 125 | Generates: dungeons | AC: -10 | Attacks: 8d8 reach physical, 8d8 reach physical | Alignment: 20 | Flags: flies, breathless, mindless, regenerates, seeinvis, teleports, poisonous, nopoly, undead 17:11 oh man pinobot supports dnh now that's epic 17:11 @d?demogorgon 17:11 Demogorgon (&) | Lvl: 108 | Diff: 61 | Spd: 18 | Res: fire poison acid petrification drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 95 | Generates: unique | AC: -26 | Attacks: 3d12 claw disease, 3d12 claw disease, 1d1 gaze level drain, 1d1 gaze paralyze, 1d12 cast spell, 1d12 cast spell | Alignment: -20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 17:12 hmm, doesn't describe the deadly rend I guess, or the dread seraph's singing, but it's still pretty good 17:13 oh maybe it had dnh for ages 17:13 and new attack types aren't understood 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:45303 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:45305 17:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Tonttu (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (petrified by a cockatrice corpse), on T:88635 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 10654 points, T:8585, killed by a wounded soldier ant 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:45447 17:18 Hm. 17:18 YANI: tnnt trophies for 'conducts' that are off the wall, like 'toolless conduct' 17:19 [hdf-us] [slex] potato (Hal Glo Fem Cha), 990 points, T:108, killed by a monster (squirrelhorn) 17:19 <{Demo}3> what's off the wall mean? 17:19 amateurhour: Fourk tracks toolless. 17:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] priyavt (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 79 points, T:503, killed by a falling rock 17:19 Also jewelryless. 17:19 whacky, bizarre 17:19 no way, I didn't know that, that's epic jonadab 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:45524 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:45526 17:20 Wacky and bizarre would be more like, gridbug conduct (never moved or attacked diagonally) 17:21 hahaha 17:21 "You move diagonally. You realize you've made a big mistake." 17:21 Or gourmand (eat all food that exists.) 17:21 <{Demo}3> i removed my diagonal keys 17:21 <{Demo}3> gourmand is a real tnnt trophy (not called that) 17:22 amateurhour: The Bell of Opening and Candelabrum of Invocation can be invoked, in Fourk, so you can complete the game without applying any tools. 17:22 Theoretically. If anyone has managed it, I'm not aware. 17:23 amateurhour: pinobot dnethack monsters haven't been updated since 2016 17:23 ah right 17:24 Explain the trophy, please. 17:24 <{Demo}3> dont do trophies, sorry 17:24 <{Demo}3> i play for conducts (ascension conduct) 17:25 ...okay, but I just wanted an explanation for it. 17:25 jonadab: xnh also has jewelryless now 17:25 <{Demo}3> i only have one tnnt ascension ever so i dont think im qualified to speak on it 17:25 could you clarify your question, are you asking for information on trophies generally, or one of the above in particular? 17:25 <{Demo}3> i just get drawn up and abandon game 17:25 aosdict: But not toolless? 17:25 I was going to add some of the other fourk conducts but, I want to make sure people actually try them 17:26 Ah. 17:26 if there's no evidence of people trying jewelryless then why am I going to the trouble of adding toolless 17:26 Yeah, I went the other direction, trying to include enough that people would have new ones to try, that they hadn't tried before. 17:26 On gourmand specifically. 17:27 oh right, I think that one is actually an achievement rather than a trophy 17:27 "Eat an object from every common, edible object class" 17:27 Oh, that's not the extreme form of gourmand. 17:27 True gourmand is where you have to consume _every comestible that is generated_. 17:27 Yeah, I was thinking one of each corpse and/or tin inclusively. 17:28 Smorgasbord is the one that involves eating one of every comestible item in the game 17:28 So, you have to eat all corpses before they rot away, for instance. 17:28 (Or tin them and eat them later.) 17:29 And you have to collect and eat all those C- and K- rations. 17:29 Eating a corpse/tin of every monster that leaves a corpse could be difficult, bordering on mini-extinction. 17:29 Yeah, it's not an easy conduct. 17:29 jonadab: I think the hunger clock might be so poorly adjusted that monsters would spawn and drop corpses faster than you could get rid of a very large supply of permafood. 17:30 aosdict: Yes, probably. You'd probably end up doing, effectively, extinctionist. Only without the "revive/kill-again/must-get-255" aspect. 17:30 I've experienced that, but more as a consequence of pets not being sentient roombas in recent versions than anything else. 17:31 I'm really looking forward to junethack, it was such a blast last year 17:32 I stepped on a land mine. it was such a blast 17:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 2761 points, T:1536, killed by a giant cockroach 17:32 ba-dum tsch 17:35 jonadab: fourk giants are screwed if they try sokoban 17:36 hey hey hi 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:47281 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:47281 17:37 in fourk a giant will gladly step onto a boulder that has something behind it without any chance to stop 17:37 pls fix kaytnxbye 17:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 134305 points, T:19415, caught herself in her own fireball 17:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:47389 17:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3923 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:28808 17:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:47660 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:47674 17:49 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 113666 points, T:28809, petrified by Medusa 17:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a werejackal), on T:1109 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:47756 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:47759 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Cha), 1248732 points, T:47759, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/nethack/dumplog/1616285329.nh.html 17:54 <@Shadow_Rider> Yay 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 294 points, T:1130, killed by a rabid dog 17:54 gratz! 17:55 gratz!! 17:56 congrats 17:56 <@Shadow_Rider> Thanks guys 17:56 gratz 17:57 Congratulations. 17:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:5415 17:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5415 17:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 20 arrows on an altar, on T:5418 18:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Pir Inc Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:24801 18:00 those all happened so fast, I assume every1 stormed into town yelling "I BELIEVE IN YOU NOW, MARS" 18:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:5588 18:01 haha 18:02 One wagers they got shafted in. 18:05 -!- tonttu3 has joined #hardfought 18:05 grats shadow rider! 18:07 This name seems familiar. 18:07 <@deathsushi> Righteous win shadowrider 18:07 Ah, seen them in the NAO channel. 18:07 Hihi, sorry for spookiness. 18:08 my +5 SDSM changed back to set of scales (still +5) for some reason. is it safe to read a scroll of enchant armor to get it back or is it going to add to enchantment and explode? 18:09 I seem to recall it's not safe 18:09 but I could be remembering wrong 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law), 721 points, T:2426, killed by an uninjured giant ant 18:10 apparently its safe for non-blessed 18:10 at least thats what the wiki implies 18:10 i.e. reading a blessed EA will give +1 enchantment, uncursed wont 18:10 does it? where does it say that? 18:10 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dragon_scale_mail#Acquiring_scales_and_scale_mail 18:10 If the scroll is blessed, the mail gains 1 point of enchantment and becomes blessed. 18:11 oh the dsm article, I was looking at enchant armour article 18:11 no source reference unfortunately 18:11 follow src/read.c probs 18:11 i wonder if +6 scales might still evaporate with uncursed EA 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5648 18:13 wait wtf 18:13 there is no evaporation check 18:13 holy dayum 18:13 so you can get +anything safely? 18:14 +99 18:14 what do you mean? 18:14 I've seen players evaporate their scales trying to get their DSM back 18:14 it's the line that starts if (s > (special_armor ? 5 : 3) && rn2(s)) { 18:15 oh no wait 18:15 yeah 18:15 so its never safe 18:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Sorcerer, on T:42974 18:15 for >5 18:16 regardless of if the scroll is uncursed or not 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2419 18:16 > 3 18:16 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:16 it's not a 'special_armor' 18:16 m right 18:17 so its not safe for +5 18:17 true :P 18:17 so gotta read cursed twice or disenchant your scales in other ways 18:18 dont know if that is silly or not 18:18 sounds pretty silly 18:18 i don't even know how it happened 18:18 did you polymorph into a dragon? 18:20 oh yes, that's it. i wasn't wielding my magicbane, which was my only source for MR for a moment for some reason and got attacked by quantum mechanic 18:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 986 points, T:6435, killed by a barely wounded invisible titan 18:20 You mean the genetic engineer? 18:20 yes 18:20 That's a new Q monster that was added. 18:20 ah, nasty 18:21 -!- Roho has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:21 Magic resistance and polymorph control is something you'll want before you run into one of those. 18:21 Otherwise, keep your distance and wand them, dart them, whatever you have. 18:21 ...does MC2 or 3 help, I don't know if it helps. 18:21 -!- Roho has joined #hardfought 18:22 I have no idea, I think I've had MR by the time I've seen them 18:22 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Pri Hob Fem Neu), 2142 points, T:3822, killed by a raven 18:22 genetic engineers must be interesting pets... 18:22 i woulda starved anyway 18:22 >tame genengie 18:22 huh the wiki says 'magic resistance does not nullify this effect' for genetic engineers 18:23 >tame several other weaker pets 18:23 >selectively use ring of conflict to have genengie poly them 18:23 >???? 18:23 <@Shadow_Rider> amateurhour: I think thats only if you eat it 18:23 >profit 18:23 amateurhour: i read: This attack is nullified by magic resistance, 18:23 Yeah, that's for eating the corpses. 18:23 oh right yeah, reading comprehension fail 18:23 It happens. 18:24 it's probs a sign I should sleep haha 18:24 Probably. 18:25 it was a very hectic situation, it was an archon that summoned the Q. it also cast destroy armor and destroyed my speed boots. maybe it's not good to trust on magicbane alone for MR. and just carrying the Eye of AE doesn't provide MR any more 18:25 Oh, rat bastard. 18:25 Also yeah that's a 3.6.0 change. 18:26 You have to wield MBane for the MR now, and likewise wear the Eye (again specifically for the MR) 18:26 your ac might still be fine with silver scales 18:26 Yeah, that's 8 AC as it is currently 18:26 Also, even when wielding MBane you want a backup source in case you get jacked 18:27 (i.e. robbed or disarmed) 18:27 yes, it's fine. but a good think that i checked first and didn't destroy the scales 18:27 Yeah. 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered PROF, her faithful kitten, on T:3696 18:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] aosdict (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 3696 points, T:227, zapped herself with a wand 18:33 <@Kittenz> if I attack something and my kitten kills it and runs into that spot, can I end up hitting the kitten? I did not mean to do this 18:33 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:33 ok cool xnh tileset good to go 18:33 Uhhhhhhhhhhhh. 18:34 if you attack something, that's the very next thing that happens, so your kitten doesn't have a chance to rush in before you swing 18:34 Yeah. 18:34 That *shouldn't* happen unless you attack repeatedly, and even then only if using [F] 18:34 Otherwise you just displace as normal 18:34 <@Kittenz> jeez, don't fat finger the power of Thor guys 18:40 Umbire: or if confused or stunned or whatever 18:41 i wonder if anyone else wnats to join teh sekret film klub 18:41 with me and tommo lol 18:41 I don't know about it, because it's secret 18:42 Oh right, that as well. 18:42 it's not super secret 18:42 we talkeda bout watching this movie the breaker upperers 18:42 which i have already seen but is very funny would def watch again 18:42 tommo should be online soon i think 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:4803 18:42 i tried to show tommo the trailer but they wanted to go in blind 18:43 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zKAjnXG3m4A 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1115 points, T:4946, killed by an uninjured homunculus, while sleeping 18:44 <@Kittenz> welp time for a break 18:44 Pinkbeast: do you already know any of Taika Waititi's other work? 18:45 hes like one of my favourite movie producers of recent tiems 18:45 absolute legend 18:46 Not I. (More seriously I am currently chewing my way through an entire silent film festival...) 18:46 :o 18:46 is it good? 18:47 Some of it's been pretty good, yes, I have learned that if Marlene Dietrich makes sultry eyes at you through a train window, _it's a trap_ 18:48 oh her! she's a famous name 18:48 but I know her best as portrayed by a contestant of RuPaul's Drag Race in Snatch Game 18:48 trying to remember who did her lmao 18:48 She got famous in talkies to the point she claimed not to have been in silent films (but this was a fib) 18:48 heh 18:49 Also if you are a handsome young Lieutenant and Tsarina Catherine the Great hits on you, turning her down may not end well 18:49 as for Drag Race itself I eventually got tired of it but Seasons 4-6 is like peak reality TV and absolutely amazing (this message brought to you by someone who usually hates reality TV in all its forms) 18:50 Clare loves it but I think I am happy to enjoy it vicariously 18:50 lol fair play Pinkbeast 18:50 my ex introduced me to it and I thought it was garbage at first 18:50 but it grew on me 18:52 Reminds me of the time my (quite friendly) ex emailed me to say "have you seen the new My Little Pony TV" and I wrote back saying "Err no, you what?" and later the same day to say "I've been up until 3am watching a show about plastic ponies, what the hell have you done to me?" 18:52 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 4222 points, T:4153, killed by a watchman 18:52 hahahahahahahaa 18:52 to clarify i was introduced to drag race to my ex while we were still together 18:52 but im also aware of the pony phenomenon 18:53 it got me much in the same way 18:53 my ex wife is evil incarnate, lives in denmark and i fortunately never have to speak to or see her again 18:54 also not actually evil, but it sounds more fun than "extremely damaged human being who did me a lot of psychological trauma over the years" 18:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3123 18:56 I had gathered in the past you were not perhaps now the best of friends 18:56 the actual truth is humanising and also really sad because she probably still has major issues and a lot of emotional pain she can no longer blame me for 18:57 yea Pinkbeast 18:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3691 18:59 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:00 idk its weird to talk about but i felt bad for calling her my evil ex all the time, actual evil psycho is not the case here 19:01 some more extreme exceptions aside abusive people are usually very broken and unhappy and desperately need therapy 19:01 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:02 Not like any of us is likely to meet her and identify her so probably a little maligning is no foul 19:02 yeah i spose 19:04 but i do genuinely hope she continues the therapy she started and sorts some shit out 19:04 while simultaneously am grateful i can be far, far away from this process 19:04 is not my problem anymore 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4743 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4389 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:4412 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:4468 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar, on T:4478 19:09 jeez i turned this onto a downer didn't i 19:09 <@oatmeal> yuh 19:09 someone make funny memes quick 19:09 or splat epicly 19:09 do something 19:10 Eh, it's a bit of a distraction from this doomed character I am playing to distract myself from doing the bit of development I should be doing 19:10 lol Pinkbeast 19:10 Pinkbeast: jesus christ tho some of the mental gymnastics i went thru with this person 19:10 was truly mind boggling 19:10 "i am not a therapist" was an important life lesson for me here too 19:10 egads 19:11 did i learn that the hard way 19:11 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 19:11 o/ 19:11 tommo: Message from aoei at 2021-03-22 11:01 EDT: film thing depends on exactly when i crash/how long i sleep. i will not be offended if you go ahead and watch it without me lol :P but ill def ping u if im awake/online 19:11 lol hay tommo 19:11 "Oh, no, not another learning experience" 19:11 i did in fact sleep/wake up 19:11 oh heh 19:11 im making some food atm lol 19:11 <@oatmeal> i mean everyone has their own issues 19:11 im glad u woke up :P 19:11 tommo: i been losing my mind a bit with stress/anxiety waiting to hear back about this job thing 19:11 <@oatmeal> heir own path to follow i think 19:11 aye oatmeal 19:12 awe heck 19:12 u'll hafta tell me about it 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:5361 19:12 whats there to tell uhhhh 19:12 shortlisted to 1 in 3 persons for a software gig in munich 19:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:12 lord 19:12 here, have my luckstone 19:13 had to write a bit of javascript for them (after two interviews, one of which included a bit of live javascript coding test taht i felt i did horribly on) 19:13 i mean second bit of javascript that one at leasta i could do on my own time 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 3738 points, T:4835, poisoned by a soldier ant 19:13 anywya i did all the things and should hear back in coupl eof days 19:13 ya, good job! 19:13 I think I've resolved if I'm ever interviewing again never to give anyone a live coding test, it's not what you pay them for 19:13 u did do all the things 19:14 Pinkbeast: it was terrible lol 19:14 it wasf rom this "javascript katas" website thingy and i showed amateurhour the thing 19:14 he was like this test is awful i am angry they made you do this 19:14 i had to do one for this one job, but it was more like. "talk us through troubleshooting this bugged code" which i think made sum sense 19:15 i didn't get the job tho :P 19:15 tommo: yeah that makes way more sense 19:15 yo aoei 19:15 hey rebatela 19:15 me n tommo were gonna watch this one movie idk if you fancy joining lol 19:15 me? whats the flick 19:15 tommo: That makes more sense, you're not trying to do perfectly the sort of thing you'd do IRL with a bit of back-and-forth 19:15 rebatela: yea "the breaker upperers" 19:16 (The best interview question I ever got asked was "Suppose all the caches in the world have just been cleared. You type www.google.com into your Web browser. What happens next?" 19:16 ) 19:16 it felt more natural too. i cant imagine having to make like a list sorter or sumn 19:17 some of the interview was more talkin about dev practices in general and testing, dont remember if "how wouuld you go about trouble shooting problem X" came up but woulda be nice 19:17 i once got asked "why are manhole covers round", which i aced :P 19:17 feel like i mighta done better with smth like that 19:17 tommo: lol! 19:17 haha 19:18 tommo: Crikey, I'm not saying that one's an old one, but it was first recorded as "If Ug invent wheel, then use wheel to cover hole in ground, why wheel round?" 19:18 <@oatmeal> why are wheels round 19:18 a mate of mine, actually this is someone u know Pinkbeast, Matt Reed/Ried whatever his name is 19:18 <@oatmeal> serious question 19:18 he told me he had a really odd interview question for cambridge uni 19:18 ya, it was a q from a dev who was auditing the interview process cuz "startups" or watev. i dont think he was 2 serious about it 19:18 The answer's obvious, if you didn't make manhole covers round, they wouldn't fit the manholes 19:18 iirc it was something like "how would you change owls to make them better at echolocation" 19:19 <@oatmeal> but why can't they be square 19:19 wait isnt echolocation bats 19:19 idk it was something bizarre like that anyway 19:19 Well, the holes aren't square 19:19 "make this animal more efficient. how?" 19:19 I forget what subject Matt did 19:19 <@oatmeal> then make square holes 19:19 Point is, interviews are fucking stupid. 19:19 Pinkbeast: i think it was zoology 19:19 so sorta makes sense i spose 19:19 Anyway I should stop putting off that shower. 19:19 oatmeal> is this a serious question? If so, because a square one, diagonally, can be dropped down a square hole, but a round one can't in any orientation. 19:20 [hdf-us] [slshm] woodstea23 (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 5864 points, T:8705, quit 19:20 But it's just one of those stupid old saws you either know or you don't. 19:20 @oatmeal, square holes r bad cuz covers will pose a safety issue in the case they fall 19:20 yee, Pinkbeast got it 19:20 <@luxidream> ok, what about triangular manholes 19:20 its definitely meme status, the sorta thing a prof would post on their office door in the 90s 19:20 tommo: lel 19:20 brb i should check me pasta 19:21 luxi triangles r okey :) 19:21 <@oatmeal> join two triangles = square 19:21 luxi: less man-shaped 19:21 provided they r equilateral i guess 19:21 And the ratio of brickwork to available space is much worse 19:22 but like. ofc they r cuz aesthetics 19:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 7199 points, T:4026, killed by a dwarf queen 19:23 u could even argue for a deviation from equilateral less than the width of the lip :B 19:23 <@oatmeal> i failed geometry man 19:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 18 points, T:92, killed by overexertion 19:24 <@luxidream> ooh I have an idea 19:24 <@luxidream> how about 19:24 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/823698711829282825/junjiitoamigarafaultbanner.png 19:25 <@luxidream> man shaped, won't fit in any other orientation 19:25 the og manhole 19:25 ... well 19:25 i mean 19:25 almost the og manhole ;) 19:25 Very true, might also make the brickwork more complex 19:25 lmao luxidream 19:26 heh I added an amigara fault reference to xnh a while back 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elberreth", on T:8347 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] ThatBenGuy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3732 19:27 tommo: i am mostly ready idk how we gon do this exactly 19:27 dont worry, im figuring it out 19:27 mb join ##sekretfilmz 19:28 wanna vc on discord? 19:28 omg yes I wanna venture capital on discord 19:28 yeh can do that should be easy enough to set up as for movie itself i have the content and can make it so you have it too pretty easily i think 19:29 ok 19:29 is 720p rip acceptable 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] ThatBenGuy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 874 points, T:3758, killed by an uninjured little dog 19:29 yes gosh 19:29 on my res 1080 makes barely any difference so thats what i have currently lol 19:29 i dont need a dang lag 19:29 i 2 am meager tech 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2046 19:36 any 3.4.3 veterans recall whether the behavior of stopping a multi-turn search when you find something (door, trap, hiding monster, etc) was present in 3.4.3? 19:37 I believe it was 19:37 huh, okay then 19:38 just tested, it is 19:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 681 points, T:1700, killed by a wounded pony 19:42 hothraxxa: I don't remember deciding what a correct fix for that would even be. 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 220 points, T:650, killed by a magic missile 19:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] ThatBenGuy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:2895 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] LovelyKittenz (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6362 points, T:9013, killed by uninjured Juiblex, while praying 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1952 points, T:2468, killed by a wounded soldier ant 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 69 points, T:48, killed by a boulder 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Val Hum Fem Neu), 397 points, T:1618, killed by a wounded small mimic 20:03 moon-child: u use mac 20:03 wait no 20:03 openbsd or some crap 20:03 nvm 20:03 <{Demo}3> freebsd 20:03 aoei: I run linux 20:03 and freebsd 20:03 and openbsd 20:03 and windows 20:03 moon-child: orite ur one of those 20:03 pog 20:03 at one point I was also responsible for a solaris box 20:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] ansic (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 3475 points, T:3221, quit 20:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:21466 20:04 aoei: 'one of those'? 20:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40361 20:04 ._. 20:05 Unix greybeard? 20:05 weirdos who multiboots 5 systems 20:05 or something 20:05 nah just 2 20:05 you also tried to convince me to run bsd windows andlinux in xen as i recall 20:05 which i still kinda want to do 20:05 yeah you should totally do that 20:05 I mean I've never done it but it seems like a cool idea 20:05 just for funsies 20:06 and to run word 20:06 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:06 word is SHIT 20:06 and correct my thesis so i can get official Dr. title 20:06 i know its shit 20:06 but i used ti tfor my phd thesis 20:06 abd i still have to finalize that 20:06 rewrite it in latex ;o 20:06 im also late there was a year long deadline 20:06 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 20:06 after graduating 20:06 to publish final one 20:06 dmr never finished his phd 20:07 apparently he did all the work but then they wanted him to pay a fee for copy or something, so he said nope 20:07 lol yeah i have to "publish" a final version thingy 20:07 jonadab: but you can't eat corpses of other nemeses, unless someone tinned them 20:08 aoei: libreoffice can parse doc files 20:08 I will hurt whoever points out master of thieves 20:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ThatBenGuy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3951 20:09 moon-child: um yea but i want it to look exactly the same as the original exam version 20:09 with some typos fixed 20:09 so using the same exact software i used before just makes more sense to me 20:09 why not use latex tho 20:09 and make it look better ;o 20:10 that seems like work 20:10 lmao 20:10 also i already missed this 1 year deadline thingy 20:10 this whole thing is work 20:10 idk how it works with extending it but i assume they don't like 20:10 and latex is probably less work than getting windows to run in xen 20:10 revoke my phd because i didn't do it in time lmao 20:10 good luck 20:10 should probably contact the grad school office about that lol 20:11 i am bad 20:11 xD 20:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1036 20:12 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] ThatBenGuy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4374 20:15 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1365 20:18 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 20:21 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:85047 20:22 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 2185 points, T:1976, killed by a giant leech 20:22 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Demogorgon, on T:85058 20:23 !lastgame bouquet 20:23 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1616457278.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/nethack/dumplog/1576989832.nh.html 20:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] twiggets (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4768 points, T:2610, petrified by a chickatrice 20:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:35560 20:32 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 681 points, T:1070, [0:06:18], killed by a nearly deceased gnomish wizard 20:32 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 334 points, T:779, killed by an uninjured bat 20:36 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] ThatBenGuy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3063 points, T:5231, killed by a wounded rothe 20:39 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2341, rt[0:10:09] 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 570 points, T:1342, killed by an uninjured pony 20:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] karlos (Pri Hlf Mal Neu), 3709 points, T:3292, killed by an orc shaman 20:48 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Asg Mal Law), 1239 points, T:1674, quit 20:50 -!- tonttu3 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 20:57 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Val Gia Fem Law), 7074 points, T:3663, killed by a killer bee 20:57 rip 21:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:18 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 419 points, T:601, killed by an uninjured hobbit 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 408 points, T:919, killed by a wounded rothe, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:26 -!- CNT-FAI has joined #hardfought 21:26 yo nerds 21:29 playing from the wawa parking lot the vaccine thing went okay excepr a lot of walkin and standing 21:31 -!- yanah has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 21:32 * K2 looks around 21:32 i dont see any nerds here 21:32 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6657 21:32 oh my mistake 21:32 :) 21:33 <{Demo}3> damn at the wawa here in the parking lot its not vaccine in their needles 21:33 except {Demo}3, that guy is a wirdo 21:33 no that was at a college campus 21:33 weirdo even 21:33 not sure that one should be allowed around people 21:34 congrats on getting... first shot? 21:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:29700 21:34 yeah 21:34 and ty 21:36 first shot han 21:36 got my first shot about a week ago, woop 21:36 my parents also got their shots already, thank eris 21:36 they are old already 21:37 yeah my dad has both of his, wifes parents get their 2nd this week 21:37 nice 21:37 no, because that means 2 weeks later they're going to visit 21:37 lol 21:37 :P 21:37 is that so bad? 21:37 yes and no 21:37 are they staying at your place or in a hotel 21:38 our place 21:38 we have room 21:38 ok 21:38 yeah i can see why that is 'yes and no' 21:38 overall its not bad 21:38 check out mr fancy house 21:38 hah 21:38 jk k2 is for the people 21:39 we call k2 'dr house' here 21:39 our house is anything but fancy 21:39 well look at mr owns plumbing 21:39 lost me 21:39 im good at that 21:39 who is mr owns plumbing 21:40 K2: I've got the second shot coming in about a month 21:40 Pinkbeast woooo 21:40 \o/ 21:40 ^ 21:40 even with just the one shot, you're in a much better spot 21:40 ya 21:40 mask compliance here is not greaqt 21:40 Ish. I mean, I'm only getting it because I'm more at risk of exposure than I would be if I was just hiding at home, but still, it's nice to have given I probably haven't had the 'rona 21:41 hopefully soon we'll all be like 'yeah i got my shots' 21:41 nice nice 21:41 i have to wait several months for my first one because i am not in a risk group and also because the EU kinda messed up the vaccine distribution 21:41 ran into a guy who works for dannon at gamestop, he said they're paying employees $150 if they take a vaccine 21:42 stenno: I'd be waiting some time yet if I didn't work on a hospital site. :-/ 21:42 that's worrying for public healths 21:42 my parents got in early because they are both teachers/docent 21:42 whats it called in english 21:42 lecturer 21:42 ah 21:43 academic lecturer 21:43 wife got in early because she's in medical field 21:43 stenno: "lecturer" in British English, "professor" in American AFAIK 21:44 my dad doesn't hold a 'professor' title though 21:44 'just' Dr. 21:44 gloucester nj is doing 5000 pfizers a day to ppl from all over the state 21:44 stenno: Sure, that's the British system where a professor is a senior academic 21:44 Hi Rif. 21:44 ah i see 21:44 yo 21:44 so in the US a 'professor' does not mean they hold the academic title 'professor' ? 21:45 varies based on context/register 21:45 oh yeah 21:45 Quite; it means (AFAIK) someone who lectures - a lecturer, to me. eg when my father was on a Fulbright exchange he was delighted to be a "professor". 21:45 in germany stuff like that is _really_ important lol 21:45 well, it just depends on register here 21:46 my dad lectured me a lot as a kid. i'm gonna start calling him 'professor' 21:46 Clare also works on the hospital site, close enough to patients that she is affected by the rule that your badge can't say Dr unless you are an MD. 21:46 yeah thats all it takes for some ppls definitions here lol 21:46 Given the way army Captains get courtesy promotions to Major on ships, I think she should get a courtesy promotion to Professor 21:46 its a double-edged sword right, on the one hand you get your vaccinations early, on the other hand you are actually at a high risk and _need_ the vaccination 21:47 the XP boost cancels out the embarked penalty 21:47 i mean i think i should be happy to receive my vaccination late because this indicates that i am at low risk to get it in the first place 21:47 Fortunately not very high risk for me, and the gamble seems to have paid off 21:48 right, thats good 21:49 got diablo for xbox tonight btw 21:49 worms wmd also on sale 21:49 Hooray, old things. 21:49 worms was great 21:49 with the banana cluster bomb 21:49 and the homing sheep 21:50 still is i assume 21:50 or im going to take a pitchfork to sweden 21:50 and the old grandma 21:50 DIG SPELL 21:51 i love stone to flesh 21:51 Yeah, you may or may not want to ready it. 21:52 -!- rif[CNT] has joined #hardfought 21:55 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:55 -!- rif[CNT] is now known as CNT-FAI 21:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] aerth (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1472 points, T:2598, killed by a wounded werewolf 22:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 93 points, T:819, killed by an uninjured fox 22:03 [hdf-us] [seed] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2877 22:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 1023 points, T:4409, killed by a slightly wounded rothe 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3450 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3478 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2041 points, T:3683, killed by a wounded Green-elf 22:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] CntFai (Pri Hum Fem Law), 47 points, T:56, killed by an uninjured fox 22:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] slarty (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 634 points, T:5872, killed by a wounded water demon 22:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:33368 22:13 <@deathsushi> begins glowing and rises up to heaven 22:15 -!- Xjs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2514 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2652 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3566 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2046 points, T:3878, killed by a wounded black unicorn 22:22 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 22:23 -!- rif[CNT] has joined #hardfought 22:23 -!- rif[CNT] has quit [Client Quit] 22:25 -!- CNT-FAI has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:28 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 22:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:34108 22:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 3399 points, T:2312, killed by a dwarf mummy 22:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 31867 points, T:13863, killed by a human priest called Timo the Priest, while paralyzed by a monster 22:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non), 3355 points, T:2237, killed by a tengu, while praying 22:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4045, rt[0:24:26] 22:45 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Fem Law), 3315 points, T:4088, rt[0:24:32], wc[2:12:34], killed by a fall onto poison spikes 22:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 22:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 309 points, T:578, rt[0:02:52], wc[0:02:53], killed by a wounded brown mold 22:53 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 9687 points, T:3167, killed by a monster (dwarf king permamimic) 22:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2494 22:58 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 23:09 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1402, rt[0:05:38] 23:09 um yeah p sure Demo confirmed weirdo 23:09 it's documented somewhere 23:11 Confirmed what? 23:12 confirmed weirdo 23:12 who is the authority on granting "confirmed weirdo" status 23:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1760, rt[0:09:31] 23:13 Adeon: um i don't recall exactly 23:13 might have been consensus decision? 23:13 denizens of #hdf 23:13 nethack council 23:13 Wait where is this coming from. 23:13 backref to earlier lol 23:13 Oh. 23:14 https://dpaste.com/FYYVMS88K 23:21 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3208, rt[0:18:14] 23:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:37967 23:24 <@deathsushi> ADIOS MUCHACHOS 23:25 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 1111 points, T:1888, killed by a monster (The Grim Reaper) 23:30 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:4643, rt[0:26:59] 23:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2147 23:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5229, rt[0:32:27] 23:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:39061 23:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39063 23:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2212 23:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2735 23:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1627 points, T:3326, killed by a heavily wounded black pudding 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1578 points, T:2936, killed by a wounded bugbear 23:43 [hdf-us] [slex] Draco (Dia Xra Mal Law), 13513 points, T:951, killed by trying to contact their deity in Gehennom 23:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law), 3970 points, T:4315, killed by a housecat called Sugar 23:50 -!- rif[CNT] has joined #hardfought 23:50 -!- rif[CNT] is now known as CNT-FAI 23:54 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8344, rt[0:51:04] 23:55 [hdf-us] [seed] Glord (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 21176 points, T:8345, rt[0:51:20], wc[0:56:30], quit