00:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed magic marker", on T:27351, rt[3:53:42] 00:01 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:27358, rt[3:54:33] 00:03 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:27482, rt[3:57:06] 00:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1005 points, T:1015, killed by a poisonous corpse 00:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:27837, rt[4:02:04] 00:11 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:27864, rt[4:04:45] 00:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) put the invisible Death down for a little nap, on T:28057, rt[4:10:26] 00:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:28083, rt[4:10:59] 00:18 Adeon: pog 00:19 moon-child: is the lendary Alice really back? :O 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:51407 00:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1904686 points, T:28117, rt[4:11:56], wc[10:22:00], ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Adeon/setseed/dumplog/1615143403.seed.html 00:20 aoei: ? 00:20 is one of Adeon's alts 00:21 ohh 00:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Rog Hum Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:51418 00:21 Adeon/alice/Sayo/plus other secret ones 00:21 I only knew sayo and noeda 00:21 you will never catch my 70 alternatives 00:22 <@luxidream> they are easily identified by the letters you choose for your bag and other items 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:51470 00:23 but seventy is a lot of alts 00:23 who's gonna go check 00:24 bribe the server admins to look for duplicate emails! 00:24 Adeon's secrets are safe as long as nobody cares that much 00:24 I will use hope 00:24 <@luxidream> also check if the name is from touhou 00:24 that they will not be found out 00:25 how dare you I have a wide variety of japanese franchises to choose from 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:51786 00:28 oh yea? then tell us which ones you didn't name from touhou stuff 00:28 <@deathsushi> I've never seen Orcus hanging out in a hallway, separate from any other mobs in orcus town 00:29 But you're seeing that now is what you're insinuating? 00:29 <@deathsushi> Ah, I dug down and found him waiting on the downstair 00:29 <@deathsushi> Makes sense now 00:33 -!- dmikemiller has joined #hardfought 00:35 deathsushi: Orcus Town is also elligible to leave bones, so if you play with bones turned on and you load a bones where somebody died in Orcus Town you could have unusual initial deployment of mobs etc. 00:38 esm has ... lots of duplicates. ~160 00:38 kind of weird actually 00:38 esm? 00:39 em.slashem.me 00:40 how do you duplicate a hostname 00:40 duplicate emails 00:40 huh 00:40 sqlite> select count(email) - count(distinct(email)) from dglusers; 00:40 161 00:41 weird 00:41 also apparently amy has a fanclub https://em.slashem.me/userdata/AmyBSODfan/ 00:42 are you sure her fanclub isn't just herself 00:44 yes 00:44 (email doesn't match. Am I allowed to say that? I don't think it's identifying information) 00:45 it's probably against best practices to even say that muc 00:45 -!- Kougyoku has joined #hardfought 00:45 but i promise i won'ẗ tell anyone 00:45 aoei, i watched the vod of your race, great run!! 00:46 you ẅöñ'ẗ?? 00:46 oh, hi. thanks Kougyoku 00:46 I'm thinking of a different kind of stream related to nethack 00:46 I could try coding on stream a SAT solver to break nethack RNG 00:46 which one, vs luxidream or vs stenno? 00:46 The one where you splat in the Castle or close by. 00:47 Ohi there 00:47 'cause this game's hard. 00:47 ah ye taht would have been the recent one where i got owned repeatedly by trolls i guess 00:47 aoei has ascended quite a few times 00:47 but yeah game still hard 00:47 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/rnd.c#L76-L78 00:47 it still looks like it's just the unix rand() 00:48 Adeon: that's only when linting 00:48 I actually just got my first ascension. I don't really hang out on IRC here, but I don't have too much to do right now and wanted to chat. 00:48 ah so it is 00:48 on linux it uses random() 00:49 and there's also this https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/isaac64.c 00:49 i took a peek at that a while back, interesting stuff 00:49 I believe I was there for it, yeah 00:49 re: your first 00:49 Adeon: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISAAC_(cipher) is a csprng 00:50 Well then thank you Umbire! :) 00:50 is the isaac actually used in the default builds 00:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:50 No prob! To hopefully many more! 00:50 Adeon: yeah 00:50 dang 00:50 config.h:621 00:51 Yes, hopefully. I was talking to Jon on the OOTC discord, I might give Tourist a go to improve my early game. That run had some decent luck and also some very careful play, early gdsm is always helpful 00:51 Tourist practice can turn you into an early game god if you commit to learning from it 00:52 Well I also have a great coaching team :) haha 00:52 :3 00:52 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:53 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "holy fixed greased +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:20363, rt[3:56:53] 00:54 Umbire do you happem to have my rt for that run? The vods come out to about 14 hours but I didn't record my early game 00:54 Uh, I can *look* 00:54 Was it on hdf? 00:54 Yes, hdf-us 00:54 You wanted the real-time, right? 00:54 No need to go out of your way. 00:55 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 00:55 Just was curious. I know it was longer, but time wasn't a factor for me, was in no hurry 00:55 I've checked your userdata before, it's easy enough 00:55 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:20380, rt[3:59:08] 00:55 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:20381, rt[3:59:12] 00:56 What date am I lookin' for again 00:56 Brain is a little ded 00:57 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:57 Ah, found it in my print out 00:57 Game began 2021-02-08 19:10:57, ended 2021-03-04 01:30:28. 00:57 So less than a month, nice 00:57 But in actual gametime... 00:58 ...eh, worry about that later :B 00:58 haha. 00:58 i can only play a few hours at a time. Vods are 14 hours past early game, so ETA ... 16, 18 hours or so actual game time 01:02 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:20608, rt[4:05:45] 01:02 Fair, fair 01:02 Ooh, leggo 01:02 gl stella 01:05 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:20631, rt[4:08:33] 01:06 -!- dmikemiller has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:07 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 990258 points, T:20659, rt[4:10:30], wc[5:28:29], ascended 01:07 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/setseed/dumplog/1615163915.seed.html 01:07 GG Stella! 01:07 ty 01:07 Geeg! 01:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:11 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:12 i'mma sleep, have a good one 01:12 -!- Kougyoku has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:13 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 01:15 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:17 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 01:22 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 01:29 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2714 points, T:3453, rt[0:15:54], wc[0:15:55], killed by a wounded rope golem 01:33 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:34 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 01:34 -!- microla has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:42 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5742 points, T:2683, [0:06:46], quit 01:59 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "holy polymorph control", on T:1478, rt[0:16:50] 02:03 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:1942, rt[0:21:19] 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 338 points, T:1040, killed by an uninjured coyote, while frozen by a monster's gaze 02:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 154 points, T:309, killed by an uninjured goblin 02:13 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:13 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 02:13 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:20 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1497 02:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1705 points, T:1785, killed by an uninjured soldier ant 02:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 529 points, T:2045, killed by a wounded rothe 02:36 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5449 points, T:2257, killed by a crossbow bolt 02:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 609 points, T:1563, killed by an uninjured pony, while fainted from lack of food 03:02 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Mal Law), 168423 points, T:10028, killed by an exploding wand 03:10 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1455 03:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2017 points, T:3279, killed by a wounded housecat 03:51 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:03 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 04:05 -!- dmikemiller has joined 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06:06 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:11 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:12 amateurhour: just pushed a slex commit that adds, among other things, dogs named "Amateurhour" and "Amateurhour Jr." who wear bobble hats :D 06:12 lol epic 06:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 967 points, T:2057, killed by a wounded gnome 06:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Tou Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:815 06:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 468 points, T:526, killed by a nearly deceased dwarf 06:17 in the ice queen branch I imagine 06:17 amateurhour: Message from aosdict at 2021-03-07 17:52 EST: why is scylla with circe? shouldn't she be with charybdis? 06:19 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 06:19 !tell aosdict she turned scylla into a sea monster, but either works for me honestly 06:19 aosdict shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, amateurhour. 06:20 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 06:24 > Due to the constnat proliferation of undiagnosable and unrecoverable crashes out of the blue, I hereby decide that the curses interface is disabled 06:24 lol 06:25 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 06:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 06:30 wat I misspelled "constant" wat 06:30 damn 06:31 time to rebase slex on 3.6? :) 06:31 why? does it have an automatic spellchecker? 06:32 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 1246 points, T:1207, killed by an uninjured dwarf 06:33 for curses crashes 06:33 :P 06:40 . 06:40 aosdict: Message from amateurhour at 2021-03-08 06:19 EST: she turned scylla into a sea monster, but either works for me honestly 06:41 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:42 . 06:42 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 06:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 06:43 youtube is so weird. today is international world feminism day and the first ad I see is one for men's shaving tools smh 06:46 -!- musicdemon has joined #hardfought 06:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1456 points, T:3132, killed by a nearly deceased rothe 06:48 remember to buy your male friends a razor because they don't know how to groom themselves without youtube's expert help 06:51 -!- nobyk has joined #hardfought 06:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 3389 points, T:6602, killed by an uninjured watch captain 06:56 so-called 'alphamales' and machos are so fragile 06:56 its so embarrassing 06:57 at best 06:57 at worst its toxic and dangerous 06:58 solidarity to the left, inclusionary feminism 07:02 i think feminism already achieved a few of its goals but there is still much more to do 07:08 lol thats just the beta cuck in you talking 07:08 do u even lift, bro? 07:09 "I bet he eats tofu" -- people who think that your diet determines your worth as a person 07:10 aosdict: lol u beta soyboy dont u kno phytoestrogens in tofu give u BOOBS 07:10 there are actually people who think that that works 07:11 like that 07:11 stenno4: i know lmao 07:11 this youtube guy did a video on it 07:11 hbomberguyy 07:11 he's quite funny 07:11 hbomberguy did a video about it 07:11 lol 07:11 <3 hbomberguy 07:12 yeah he's awesome 07:12 hbomberguy and philosophytube 07:12 i haven't seen philosophytube 07:12 watching their stuff since forever 07:12 strong recommend 07:12 aosdict: "bitcoin carnivores" are peak insanity there 07:12 i only heard about it when she came out publicly as trans 07:13 Pinkbeast: sorry, what's the link between crypto and overblown machismo? 07:13 aoei: to no-ones surprise 07:13 this is confusing me 07:13 aosdict, feeling entitled, i bet 07:13 crypto is supposed to be the free money ticket they feel they deserve 07:14 if it was that easy.. 07:14 https://siimland.com/bitcoin-carnivore-diet/ 07:14 Pinkbeast: lmao 07:14 wat 07:15 that article is too meta for me 07:15 "The Bitcoin Carnivore Diet represents a return to a more ancestral way of dealing with food and money" because as we know cavemen's concept of money was entirely based around getting people in China to waste astronomical quantities of electricity 07:16 aosdict: Once you're in one insane cult, it's not hard to get into others (it all ties into QAnon too for much the same reason...) 07:16 Pinkbeast: yes, it has always been this way 07:16 ???? 07:16 stenno4: i take it as a spin on the paleo concept 07:16 what a bizarre take 07:16 but with a nice, random crypto element thrown in 07:17 jus tfor the jarring non-sequitor of it all 07:17 crypt coins: you can't sell, only hold. but they will be buried with you 07:17 are we talking about anarchoprimitivism here 07:17 stenno4: not exactly, but the "paleo diet" is possibly a rough bastardisation of that concept 07:18 enjoy your vitamin deficiencies that you will certainly get from never eating anything plant based 07:19 stenno4: premise is to eat only what we would have had access to in our ancestral environment when our digestive mechanisms have been able to mostly adapt for 07:19 sounds like a bad idea 07:20 do they consider the thing where people only got like 30 years old 07:20 yes, but the actual diets don't even accurately live up to that premise either 07:20 aoei: ah yes, our ancestral environment when we had hormone-fed, farmed meat readily available at all times 07:20 i can live off of berries for a bit i guess 07:20 It turns out prehistoric humans ate _all kinds_ of diets and paleo is bunk, too 07:20 aosdict: indeed 07:20 ... and also weirdly tied in with the alt-Reich 07:20 Pinkbeast: basically that 07:21 so that was before agriculture or what? 07:21 aosdict: vitamins are actually not that much of a problem. you would need to look for vitamin C but even that you can get from fish and eggs 07:21 the premise itself isn't even that crazy 07:21 the fact is the diets don't even live up to the claimed premise at all 07:21 bhaak: Or beasties that can make it themselves 07:21 what exactly is meant with 'ancestral environment' 07:21 was that before the agricultural revolution 07:22 isn't that super arbitrary 07:22 Pinkbeast: yes but for that you would need to eat them raw. that leads to other problems (e.g. worms) 07:22 stenno4: i thikn it usually is pre-agriculture hunter-gatherer they're going for 07:22 or "cavepeople" 07:22 even that is arbitrary 07:22 because the target of these diets aren't usually educated in the more accurate history either 07:22 stenno4: see point above ^ 07:22 in europe people were still living in caves when in mesopotamia there were already civilizations 07:23 it's basically another justification for low carb 07:23 with exceptions for carbs that you can pick up from trees 07:23 and its very tied to macho "hurr big manly caveman strong, meat meat, bench 120 kgs" 07:23 eat meat* 07:23 lol 07:23 I think it's easy to follow these dieting rules: 07:24 eating meat all the time must be very unhealthy but i am not an expert 07:24 if you're monk go for vegan conduct, otherwise it doesn't really matter 07:24 ins't there something with cholesterol and meat 07:24 stenno4: it's def. unhealthy lol 07:24 amateurhour, that explains the correlation between veganism and punching everyone to death 07:24 my evil ex-wife studied diet and nutrition stuff and was always going on about how and why these popular diets were trash 07:25 most diets seem to be invented so that people can write books about those diets 07:25 stenno4: and so they can make money selling teh books yes 07:26 oh now i see the connection between cryptocurrency and diets 07:26 I remember a scientific american article (somewhere in the 90s IIRC) that explained why the US turned their food pyramid upside down. I took away from that article that not even scientist know exactly what's healthy and what not 07:26 i think its really difficult to eat healthy as an american 07:26 healthy doesn't exist over there 07:26 aoei: I am choosing to assume you have many ex-wives and as such "evil" is necessary to disambiguate this one 07:26 it's not included in the menu options 07:27 it does, it just costs more 07:27 national food recommendations are often(?) lobbied a lot, like the Finnish one insists on having a lot of dairy 07:27 Pinkbeast: oh nah 07:27 Eh, you can't get untainted eggs in America frex 07:27 Pinkbeast: just the one (who happens to be danish and evil in addition to being my ex-wife) 07:27 since then I gravitated somewhat to a mediterranean diet. tasty and empirical evidence. that's good enough for me 07:27 isn't there this possible urban legend that pizza was declared a vegetable so it could be sold as school lunch or so 07:28 Pinkbeast: but i do occasionally enjoy the allusion to haing multiple evil exes, like that chick in scott pilgrim vs world 07:28 stenno4: that's mostly accurate 07:28 I just had that nationstate issue 07:28 bruh 07:29 bhaak: i remember playing nationstates many many years ago 07:29 fun that its still around 07:29 stenno4: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2011/nov/22/democratic-national-committee/republicans-pizza-vegetable-school-lunch/ 07:29 Pinkbeast: well i can agree with you that proof-of-work is a flawed concept because of the energy cost 07:29 aoei: I started up my old nation after I stumbled over a reference in old IRC logs 07:29 Pinkbeast: and i can also agree that there are certain people who handle cryptocurrency like a religion 07:29 bhaak: i don't remember my old nation name :c 07:30 "Toronto Golfers" 07:30 bhaak: i found something in their graveyard called "ykstort" but i feel almost certain i used another, more elagborate name for my nation 07:30 Pinkbeast: but throwing cryptocurrencies and the alt-right and qanon into one pot is... something 07:31 Cults beget cults 07:31 stenno4: there is certainly an overlap and intersection. 07:31 yes and there is also an overlap of qanon and supermarket cashiers 07:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 273 points, T:2025, killed by a wounded giant bat 07:32 stenno4: If you think QAnon ain't keen on buttcoins, well, there's a river in Egypt... 07:32 i have not seen a right-wing agenda in the crypto movement yet and i am _very_ sensitive to that 07:33 oh they want it, ok 07:34 https://www.reddit.com/r/Bitcoin/comments/dtid99/george_soros_on_bitcoin/ # literally two minutes searching, top comments basically half floating around the blood libel 07:34 !coffee 07:34 * Beholder pours nabru a schooner of coffee, conjured by Arsinoe at 89 degrees Celsius. 07:35 mornin nabru 07:35 mornin' 07:36 stenno4: there is a significant portion of libertarians that are heavy right-leaning to racists 07:37 the people that feel economically resentful tend to make unwise decisions that keep them in a position to be economically resentful 07:38 Soros gets attacked from both the right and the left. and I don't actually know why 07:38 the left has their problems with 'billionaire investors' 07:39 and i think the nazis think that soros funds the radical left for some unknown reason 07:39 anyone remember back in in the day 07:39 when #hardfought was a channel about nethack (variants) 07:39 what happened? 07:39 aoei: my nation was associated with a nation "kerio" and "Cargo Cult Science" back in the day 07:40 i have never gotten any money neither from soros nor from merkel 07:40 bhaak: it's possible mine was associated with kerio's back then, but im not sur... 07:40 where do i sign up 07:42 are you sure about Merkel, though? 07:42 well at least not to support my left-wing clandestine thingies 07:42 anyway 07:42 not in the mood for that nazi shit 07:43 maybe i am just living in certain bubbles so i wasn't aware that the nazis are also crypto currency fans 07:43 stenno4: probably that 07:44 it's very difficult as one person to see all the diff sides to any scene 07:44 esp as big as crypto 07:45 a currency that is beyond the control of the state is of course also appealing to groups that don't like the state 07:45 aye 07:46 or just good old fashioned black market traders 07:47 <@FIQ> that sounds like a "hitler ate sugar" argument 07:48 pretty sure that there will be regulation at some point 07:50 when #hardfought was a channel about nethack (variants) ← #hardfought has always had intentionally lax topicality, it's one of the few channels I've been in where going offtopic is explicitly (rather than implicitly) allowed 07:51 ais523: don't get me wrong, I like that about this chan 07:51 @FIQ it's more like "he was evil that's why he liked sugar" and not "he becamse evil because he liked sugar". you can like sugar for various reasons, being evil is just one of them. 07:52 the real world is just another nethack variant 07:52 i was just making a silly remark about the heavy crypto talk lately 07:52 full of random bs that can end ur game 07:52 -!- musicdemon has left #hardfought 07:52 amateurhour: true facts 07:52 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5534 points, T:6135, poisoned by an orcish arrow 07:52 most communities I've been in, their offtopic discussion tends to drive me away, it's a testament to the NetHack community that the offtopic discussion it generates is mostly interesting or at least inoffensive 07:52 fortunately, there are no wands of death or spiked pits IRL 07:52 those would suck 07:52 well i was somewhat offended 07:53 fortunately I missed the most recent conversation 07:53 i didn't start the topic btw 07:55 I think it was LarienTelrunya youtube ads -> stenno "alpha males" -> aosdict manly diets -> me "bitcoin carnivores" 07:55 * ais523 vaguely wonders whether Bitcoin or carnivorous diets do more environmental damage 07:55 ais523: That's the sort of bogus comparison buttcoiners love - per capita, it's not even a question 07:56 Essentially _nothing_ you can do causes as much environmental damage per capita as buttcoins. 07:56 ah right, because it's causing a globally significant amount of damage despite hardly anyone participating 07:56 Pinkbeast: yay I managed to stir up another storm :D I'm good at doing that, don't you agree? 07:57 luckily there are alternative to proof-of-work 07:57 LarienTelrunya: Usually it's with opinions about NetHack 07:57 or just the mere existence of slex :-D 07:57 stenno4: Which will be here _any day now_ and have been for the last decade. 07:57 Pinkbeast: Cardano, for example 07:57 I'm quite enjoying your variant of slashTHEM Amy 07:58 <@FIQ> I've made remarks at times, left the chat and come back to a heavy discussion that ultimately traces back to my one-off comment 07:58 Pinkbeast: and ETH is moving too 07:58 "any day now" 07:58 <@FIQ> it's always amusing to see that happen 07:58 rofl amateurhour, I take that as a compliment I guess? because my variant has much more stuff than the one you ascended, and doesn't get boring 5 minutes into a run :D 07:58 no, not any day now 07:58 LarienTelrunya: tbf it takes much longer than 5 minutes to reach the boring part of vanilla 07:58 proof-of-stake exists, and it gets used already 07:58 wont happen for btc though 07:59 ETH is _today_ burning astronomical amounts of dead dinosaurs so people can in some sense buy Jack Dorsey's first tweet. 07:59 I was expecting 'slex a variant of slashthem???? take that back you scallywag and scoundrel! [something about an ice block]' 07:59 ais523: heh I guess, but at least there's a method for making vanilla's boring part less annoying, jonadab told me about it :D the secret is to put some polka music on an infinite loop while grinding your way through Gehennom 07:59 clearly we have to add features to slashthem that LarienTelrunya will refuse to implement in slex 07:59 And since the rest of the market is basically a bag on the side of BTC, it's dead dinosaurs for the foreseeable future. 08:00 why grind through gehennom btw? just use a marker on magic mapping or something 08:00 of course slex makes gehennom less boring by making it 50 floors long(?) 08:00 <@FIQ> ais523: not sure if you were ever part of that discussion, but I made a proposal some months ago to make Gehennom into a hub area with several portals to demon lairs. Most of them are optional (but you have to do at least some subset of them to enter the Sanctum). However, those that you don't deal with incurs passive debuffs once you get the Amulet. Stuff like DoT, the mysterious force, other effects 08:01 yeah 50 floors if you count the valley and sanctum 08:01 <@FIQ> The effect depending on the demon lord 08:01 and not counting the tower of yendor 08:01 Pinkbeast: something that I realised semi-recently is that doing big complicated energy-wasting computations on a local computer is not environmentally damaging if the outdoor temperature is colder than the desired room temperature, because the energy is lost as heat but you would eventually have needed to spend the same amount of energy to heat your home anyway 08:01 which has lead me to doing CPU-intensive things like brute-forcing things and playing HyperRogue in winter only 08:01 @FIQ and the demons drop some runes that you need to open the portal to the sanctum (-: ? 08:02 <@FIQ> bhaak: I'm not dcss no 08:02 unfortunately, the economic incentives for Bitcoin are close to the exact opposite of that, because energy is cheapest when it isn't in demand for ehating 08:02 ais523: if you have a massive server farm that is only there to mine coins though, which is increasingly becoming the norm 08:02 ais523: That's _kind_ of true (but kind of not; there are more efficient ways to heat your home) but ofc almost all buttcoin energy is just wasted in giant server farms. 08:02 <@FIQ> ais523: doesn't the environmental damage only apply if you're using non-renewable sources of energy? 08:02 Pinkbeast: more efficient ways exist, but waste heat from a computer is actually more (rather than less) efficient than the typical boiler in the UK 08:02 FIQ: no. 08:03 @FIQ: electricity is mostly fungible, if you spend renewable energy on one thing it may mean spending non-renewable energy on something else 08:03 <@FIQ> that sounds more of a "boilers are shitty" than "computers are efficient" 08:03 ais523: Not true - the electricity was usually made by burning gas _somewhere else_ 08:03 @FIQ: indeed :-( 08:04 So comparing the efficiency when the electricity arrives at your house is misleading. 08:04 hmm, may be worth looking this up now; I was trying to take emissions of generating it into account 08:04 the UK still generates a lot of electricity from gas, but we're moving onto renewables fairly rapidly, so gas is a smaller proportion than it used to be 08:04 <@FIQ> clearly btc was designed by someone with the intention of murdering the environment 08:04 and the domestic gas boilers vent a lot more heat than they should outside 08:05 ais523: I could well believe this is pretty marginal (after all, I still use tube monitors :-) 08:05 I think electric central heating is considered preferable to gas because of this 08:05 (also, IIRC we've moved our nonrenewable energy generation onto almost entirely gas because it's the least damaging of the fossil fuels) 08:06 @FIQ one of my pet theories is that bitcoin was invented by a time travelling AI to kill humans by forcing the climate disaster. much better plan than Skynet's 08:06 bitcoin is a sufficiently simple idea that it would be almost certain to be invented eventually, the question is simply what you use as the scarce resource 08:06 electricity / CPU power was definitely the wrong choice 08:06 ais523: I've got an idea, we could use some sort of shiny metal that humans like 08:06 I was wondering whether network bandwidth might be a better choice, but couldn't get it to work 08:07 Pinkbeast: unfortunately it can't easily be transmitted along network cables 08:07 (and extracting it would still cause some amount of environmental damage, of course) 08:07 Pinkbeast: a shiny metal that is also an ecological disaster to get out of the ground to put into vaults? 08:08 ais523: You say that, but most gold transactions consist of asking someone in Switzerland to change the label on a vault. (FWIW, I am not a goldbug) 08:08 s/Switzerland/US 08:08 Pinkbeast: well, that's a centralised way of doing things, and if you have a central tracking authority you don't actually need the gold at all 08:09 the question is more, is there a way to do proof-of-work without burning a lot of energy 08:09 bhaak: Extraction is slightly less bad than buttcoin, but _transactions_ are enormously more efficient because you don't have to dig up more gold any time you want to transact. 08:09 Pinkbeast: well you have to pay the person who does the transaction 08:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) stole 8 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Narodnaja's liquor emporium, on T:25966 08:09 stenno4: proof-of-work inherently has to be based on *some* scarce resource, or else other people could easily upscale indefinitely; however, nothing forces the resource in question to be energy 08:09 stenno4: Yes. An amount they compete to minimise, rather than it being a race to the bottom to waste the most electricity. 08:10 And given that the whole bitcoin thing is just a modern-day tulipmania, it would be nice if the bubble burst sooner, not later. 08:10 Pinkbeast: yes, bitcoin has the disadvantage of requiring mining, even if there are no transaction and (in the future) no new coins generated. but that makes it only worse than gold. gold as such is also pretty bad as the demand for it drives gold mining. can't wait for asteroid mining or a gold asteroid falling to the ground 08:11 bhaak: Sure, gold is pretty bad. It's only because buttcoins are _so_ terrible that gold can look relatively less bad. 08:11 I think there have been semi-serious plans to send a robot to the Moon, with the intention of mining the materials to allow it to make a copy of itself 08:11 ais523: von Neumann machines :-) 08:11 I think you're thinking of von neumann machines for mars 08:11 and the exponential growth allowing the entire Moon to be mined out in a fairly short time 08:11 ais523: in general though, the bootstrapping is a problem and the initial distribution. it's likely though that no new coin would take the same way as bitcoin did. 08:11 there have been led countless of wars because of gold 08:11 probably people plan this for every celestial object 08:12 or diamonds 08:12 bhaak: new cryptocoins gain traction more or less at random, everyone's looking for the next big thing 08:12 or rare earths or w/e scarce resources the people like at the moment 08:12 also pump-and-dump is very easy on smaller cryptocurrencies 08:12 ... which is why the scarcity argument is complete bunk, given you can literally just clone buttcoins any time you like 08:12 diamonds aren't even scarce, though, they can be manufactured fairly easily nowadays 08:13 <@FIQ> I wonder how relevant dogecoin is today. I remember when it was the next big thing 08:13 <@FIQ> I never hear of it nowdays 08:13 Pinkbeast: no you can't 08:13 ais523: Plenty of Barts and wash trading on bitcoin proper... 08:13 FIQ: not that relevant anymore 08:13 the only reason they're expensive is lobbying efforts by diamond companies to prevent artificial diamonds being sold 08:13 @FIQ: it blew up to fairly significant values a couple of months ago, but I think it's mostly irrelevant 08:13 if you could just clone bitcoin there would not be a reason for bitcoin to exist 08:13 stenno4: Yes, you can. There's two active forks, and every other cryptocurrency's real money price tracks bitcoin; the idea that there's "only 21 million" just doesn't hold up. 08:14 <@FIQ> isn't a crypto fork like 08:14 <@FIQ> a really bad thing 08:14 There _isn't_ a reason for bitcoin to exist (if you're not in the ransomware business). It's like Beanie Babies, if Beanie Babies were made of a tanker full of oil apiece. 08:16 I think there's a real problem there (money is hard to transfer over the Internet in a way that everyone involved can be comfortable with), but that Bitcoin is a terrible attempt at a solution to it that doesn't even really solve the original problem 08:17 bitcoin exists as a consequence of establishing decentralized trust 08:17 ais523: 6 transactions a second makes it a _complete non-starter_ for that; even shysters like Paypal can do better. (And ofc increasingly you can just do bank transfers...) 08:18 Pinkbeast: there is nothing inherent in such a low transaction rate, the main fork of Bitcoin rather shot itself in the foot by not adapting the arbitrary limits that forced it to stay that low 08:18 (that's why it forked in the first place, the fork wanted to make some minor changes to make the possible transaction rate much higher) 08:18 actually it says a lot about Bitcoin that it didn't have a way to change arbitrary restrictions that were that small 08:19 If only there was some sort of centralised authority who could... 08:19 the people who are investing in Bitcoin clearly don't care about its actual use as a currency, only in gambling on the value going up 08:19 you don't need cetralization for that 08:19 centralization is an easy solution, but probably not the only solution 08:20 ais523: And that's really pure tulipmania, entirely a search for greater fools 08:20 yes 08:20 I'm astonished it has lasted as long as it has 08:20 The hiccups in the Tether fairy gold supply seem to have slowed things down, at least. 08:22 it's also worth noting that a couple of years ago, one of the largest Bitcoin mining pools ended up with over 50% of the mining capacity and had to ban new people from joining (because if they ended up with total control over Bitcoin, confidence in it would collapse and they'd lose all their money) 08:22 astonished> thee and me both, but then "the market can remain irrational longer than you can remain solvent" :-) 08:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:26921 08:22 so the fundamental assumption needed to make Bitcoin work doesn't seem to hold 08:22 Pinkbeast: oh, I'm staying well away from gambling on Bitcoin (either way) for that reason 08:23 I can't see any reason why the bubble would necessarily burst any time soon 08:23 That reason, and also because if you did short it and the short seriously paid off the exchange might just steal all your money, like they normally do every now and then. 08:23 bubbles can sustain themselves for a surprisingly long time, it's just that the longer it takes, the greater the extent to which people get burned when it bursts 08:24 shorting would clearly be insane; the only sane way to gamble on the price going down would be to buy put options, but I'd be concerned about the sort of people who'd take the other side of those 08:24 (QuadrigaCX: "remember the time your bank manager died and you lost all your savings?") 08:24 remember the time inflation ate up your all your savings 08:25 at least in the UK, you can get savings accounts with guaranteed >inflation interest, if you wish 08:25 why didn't the centralized bankinig system do something against hyperinflation 08:25 I don't; even over my _entire life_ inflation has not stolen as much as the average butt exchange hack would have 08:25 they aren't normally very good value, but are a suitable place for storing money for the *very* risk-averse 08:26 ... trivially, since when butt exchanges get "hacked" they steal _all_ your money. 08:26 I was surprised by the number of people who stored their Bitcoins actually on the exchange, rather than in a personal wallet 08:26 6 08:26 ^ 08:26 this makes me think that most investors in Bitcoin don't actually understand it 08:27 wasn't there a huge bank run after the housing bubble collapsed 08:27 and the bank was like, no we don't want to give you any more money 08:27 in which country? 08:27 USA 08:27 oh, that's possible 08:27 the EU insures its citizens against the collapse of a bank that they store money in 08:27 used to insure UK citizens, too; not sure if the UK is doing that itself now, due to Brexit 08:27 isn't that strange 08:28 Bank runs aren't really a thing in America any more, due to the FDIC. 08:28 ais523: Oh, sure, you can buy a hardware wallet (which may be backdoored haha), a paper wallet (which you lose), etc. It turns out being your own banker is a _bad idea_ and actually there's a reason we pay banks to do the hard stuff. (Except I don't even pay my bank to do it). 08:28 They were historically a big problem, however. 08:28 its almost as if banks lend money that they don't actually have 08:28 but there were limits to how much you could store in any given bank and still be insured, if you were getting close to the limit banks would advise you to store some of your money elsewhere 08:28 ais523: The Deposit Protection Scheme continues post-fucking-Brexit 08:28 Pinkbeast: good, the government would be insane to discontinue that I think 08:28 how much of the total money of a bank has to be backed by actual real money? 08:29 Mmm. But our government _is_ insane. :-/ 08:29 but then, they were fairly insane to leave in the first place… 08:29 snap 08:29 25? 08:29 And yes, the FDIC has a limit, but it's so high, it's only relevant for people who can afford to hire a clever accountant to take care of that sort of thing for them anyway. 08:29 the rest is just virtual money 08:29 stenno4: there is some exact proportion, which is fairly high, the problem is that the money can be lent multiple times 08:29 so the proportion tends to multiply with itself 08:29 people make transaction with money that doesn't exist all the time 08:30 [backscroll] is stenno... eating bitcoin? 08:30 like, if person A loans person B some money, then person B loans person C that money 08:30 keto dogecoin diet? 08:30 three times as much money exists as previously, because A has the money because B owes it to them, B has the money because C owes it to them, and C has physical possession of the money 08:30 no, i don't have any bitcoin to eat 08:30 :) 08:30 stenno4: Oh! Oh! Do "how much electricity does banking use" next? 08:30 this all works just fine as long as nobody defaults 08:30 when someone does default, well… 08:30 Pinkbeast: so having 'virtual' money that doesn't exist is not a problem for yout? 08:31 stenno4: The actual currency is fiat anyway. 08:31 stenno4: The idea that money exists in that sense went out with the gold standard. 08:31 And has to be, so exchange rates can float. 08:32 International trade as it is currently practiced wouldn't even be possible if everyone were on gold standards and such. 08:32 Pinkbeast: then why are we assigning value to it 08:32 really, economics is about finding some sort of workable (not necessarily fair) resource distribution, so that people can do work and get paid and buy things, but the actual money itself is more like a theoretical construct than anything 08:32 stenno4: It's a convenient shorthand for figuring out how many widgets your sprocket-shining service is worth. 08:32 and the rules for how to allocate things are essentially arbitrary (and indeed get modified all the time by central banks) 08:33 so i have to trust the central bank and its regulations 08:33 actually, 2020 is a good example, most sane countries started giving people the means to buy food, shelter, heating etc. even if they couldn't work due to the pandemic 08:34 there were various different ways to do that, but many involved arbitrarily giving people money 08:34 stenno4: Well, does your nation's central bank appear to have some idea how to maintain a stable currency? _Is_ the currency stable? 08:34 I wouldn't trust the central bank of, say, Argentina. 08:34 Or Zimbabwe. 08:34 Argentina isn't that unstable, I thought? 08:34 were you thinking of Venezuela? 08:34 ais523: I think it's better than it used to be? 08:34 But that is not a high bar. 08:34 could be 08:35 Zimbabwe's issues are more recent. 08:35 Venezuela's problem isn't the banks. 08:35 even then, Zimbabwe's famous hyperinflation was quite a while ago now 08:35 Not that I'd trust a Venezuelan bank either. 08:35 and yes, probably best expressed as "Venezuela has economic problems which are beyond the ability of banks to solve" 08:36 Honestly, there are half a dozen currencies in the world that I'm comfortable trusting without further research. 08:36 at the beginning of 2020, i would get ~1.07 dollar for an euro 08:36 [hdf-eu] [un] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2759 points, T:2038, killed by a blue jelly 08:36 oops 08:36 at the end of the year it was ~1.23 dollar 08:36 it was a magic trap jelly 08:36 Ah, we're up to "states sometimes get fiscal policy wrong" (yes) "so we must have an entirely fixed fiscal policy that can never be changed according to the circumstances" (what?) 08:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Mal Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2030 08:36 The pound sterling, the US dollar, Canadian dollar, Swiss franc, Euro, Japanese Yen, I trust. 08:37 jonadab: None of the Scandiwegians? 08:37 There are probably others I'd trust if I _did_ the research. 08:37 Pinkbeast: Haven't done the research. 08:37 Pinkbeast: that might be a problem with _bitcoin_ but not with crypto currency as such 08:37 I think you should consider that our government is insane 08:37 Pinkbeast: I've basically resigned myself to the situation that governments inherently have a lot of control over economic conditions, whether they do that by changing the rules for money or in some other way is mostly immaterial 08:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 1588 points, T:2035, killed by a Grey-elf 08:37 stenno4: Hang on, I thought the fixed supply was a good thing, isn't it anymore? 08:38 dunno what you mean 08:38 e.g. it's more or less equivalent to tax all holders of your currency 50% of their wealth, and printing money to double the supply (the latter is easier to implement though) 08:38 ais523: Sure, and that's part of why the whole buttcoin idea is madness 08:38 Pinkbeast: the fixed supply is clearly a bad thing if you're trying to use Bitcoin as a method of currency exchange, but is a good thing for people who see it as a store of wealth or an investment opportunity 08:39 Currency exchange> all the goldbugs who got into it think the fixed supply is a good thing even as a currency. (yes, this is obviously nuts) 08:39 Pinkbeast: (btw, I've been agreeing with you for most of this conversation, just realised that you might have interpreted me as arguing rather than trying to think things through) 08:39 ais523: Nah, I think we generally see eye to eye 08:39 Yeah, if you want an investment that holds value, you want something with a limited supply. This is why gold has traditionally been so used. 08:40 If you want a useful currency for trade, then there are better options. 08:40 gold has historically been a poor investment, though, IIRC 08:40 I mean, the supply growth rate still needs to be under control. Hyperinflation makes a currency useless. 08:40 And gold at least has some utility to provide a price floor 08:41 ais523: Depends what your goals are. Gold doesn't gain value, so it's not a growth investment. 08:41 its main use is profiting off the people who are inevitably about to buy gold when they lose confidence in the banks or in government in general 08:41 But it only loses value slowly, so it's a good safety investment in rough times. 08:42 generally, though, I think it's difficult to say "this thing will definitely have value in the future"; probably the best we have for that at the moment are government-backed fiat currencies used to pay taxes to fairly stable governments 08:42 and those are far from reliable 08:42 You can be confident that you aren't going to wake up tomorrow and discover that your hundred thousand dollars worth of gold from yesterday is now worth seventeen cents. 08:43 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 5385 points, T:4345, poisoned by an orcish arrow 08:43 if major world governments collapse, though, I would expect that gold wouldn't be worth anything either 08:43 I don't know, gold had value _before_ there were major world governments. 08:43 in that sort of emergency, the main valuable thing would be food (which is perishable) 08:43 jonadab: The idea that gold looks nice is astonishingly widespread and old 08:44 Granted, there are some things that used to be seen as highly valuable, and now aren't. Refined aluminum is a key example. 08:44 gold is almost impossible to accidentally damage (the gold itself, that is, rather than objects made from it), which is why it survives in the ground for millions of years at a time and is easy to mine without complicated chemical processes 08:45 you can see why people would consider it to have value because of that 08:45 I think the most common way to accidentally damage gold, is breaking a mercury thermometer while wearing a gold ring. 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 47 points, T:373, killed by a jackal 08:46 jonadab: and that's a NetHack-level TDTTOE interaction involving an item that's hardly used nowadays 08:46 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 08:46 Heh. 08:46 due to the environmental damage from mercury (and the fact that it's poisonous), mercury thermometers are generally only used where there's no other option 08:46 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 08:46 I think most general-purpose analog thermometers use alcohol instead 08:47 -!- microla has joined #hardfought 08:47 I mean, the environmental damage thing is presumably a bit overblown, since mercury _comes from_ the environment in the first place. 08:47 It's not like thermometer manufacturers transmute some other element into mercury. 08:47 yes but it normally stays in a fairly contained area underground that isn't full of wildlife 08:47 True. 08:47 it's normally considered a bad thing if it, say, gets into the water supply 08:48 I think the toxicity is the strongest argument against mercury thermometers, yes. 08:49 Long-term, the environment will absorb it and turn it into compounds. Short-term, it's harmful to people and animals. 08:49 there was a mercury thermometer spill at my school once 08:49 i am still trying to figure what Pinkbeast is arguing against 08:49 Mercury in nature also tends to have already bonded with other things and so isn't quite so exciting if you get it on you 08:49 heck, I haven't seen a mercury thermometer in years I think 08:49 the teacher immediately made everyone move away from it and called out at technician, who captured what mercury they could and then spread sulphur over everything it had touched 08:50 Ah, sulfur. I was just about to wonder what the best thing to react it with would be. 08:50 Pinkbeast: you are arguing against seeing bitcoin as something whose value should constantly increase, right? (sorry for the simple language) 08:51 stenno4: That's one of many problems, yes - it's obviously a purely speculative asset, and there's a limited supply of greater fools. 08:51 Oh, long-term, I can't imagine that Bitcoin's value will increase indefinitely. Sooner or later it'll end up being a historical curiousity. 08:51 But how long it takes to get there... 08:51 oh yeah i am ok with that 08:51 And it's _worse_ than most speculative assets because a) of the way real money constantly flows out to pay miners' electricity bills and b) Tether fairy gold. 08:52 It's also environmentally catastrophic, obviously, and a space entirely populated by fools and scoundrels. 08:52 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:53 so if it wasn't a speculative asset, it would be fine more or less 08:53 There's also the question of a disproportionate amount of bitcoin mining being done in China, despite the fact that bitcoin is now kind-of sort-of illegal there. 08:53 disregarding the fact that bitcoin itself is really old now and that there are more modern protocols now 08:53 stenno4: Well, it would still be environmentally catastrophic and live-action EVE 08:53 ok 08:54 so that doesn't count for e.g. cardano 08:54 I'm actually OK with the existence of EVE Online, but mostly only because it isn't real and everyone knows it 08:54 ais523: I used to play it! It's a fun game to play, but... that. 08:54 I have never played it, but I have read extensive spoilers 08:54 I've heard of it; I think it's a video game. 08:54 it's sort-of what I do, learn a huge amount about games that I don't actually play 08:55 stenno4: I suspect it is kind of inevitable that if anything gains significant traction it will turn into live-action EVE 08:55 i am naturally against unregulated markets too 08:55 Like NetHack? 08:55 jonadab: it is a video game, but it's mostly a simulator of an almost totally unregulated economy/politics/etc. 08:55 lol why are we talking about eve now :P youtube also showed an ad for that when I watched a video today 08:55 isn't that the game where women always have to wear high heels? 08:56 did the ad make it look like that? 08:56 LarienTelrunya: I'm sorry to disappoint you, but since the last vestige of "walking in stations" went away, your avatar doesn't have feet. 08:56 Pinkbeast: wat 08:56 no feet wat 08:56 some of the appeal is doing things like killing other players to take their equipment, and scams being perfectly acceptable to run (outside newbie areas) 08:56 You're a head-and-shoulders portrait 08:56 0/10, give me an earlier version or #wontplay :P 08:56 Hmm, if you wear shoes but have no feet, do the shoes still count as shoes? 08:57 Take their equipment> particularly this produces the fascinating EVE-ism that unlike every other MMO you try to have the _cheapest_ gear that will get the job done 08:58 people generally band together into "corporations" that are meant to internally co-operate, but there are lots of stories of people gaining the trust of a corporation and then making off with everything they own (which can be a significant amount measured in terms of real-world money; there's a one-way exchange rate allowing you to buy EVE assets with real money that gives an effective price comparison) 08:58 if I were to play it, I'd just want to collect all the high-heeled shoes anyway but if there aren't any... what's the point of even playing lol 08:59 The other curious thing about it is a much more functional economy than most MMOs; if you fly a ship, a player built it, if you fire ammo, a player built that. 08:59 even then, there are a lot of automated inputs into the economy 08:59 people have been known to run insurance scams against the automated insurance company due to it having problems figuring out what the price of something actually is 09:00 <@FIQ> that explains the amount of shoes in slex 09:00 @FIQ: wait, wasn't that the obvious explanation? 09:00 LarienTelrunya: People don't play EVE for the in-game world, they play it for the economics 09:00 <{Demo}2> if i give away REALLY EXPENSIVE intellectual property to a charity, can I write it off on my taxes? 09:00 wait so is there real money involved in eve economy? 09:00 <@FIQ> ais523: while I never played EVE myself, it's always fascinating to read stories about 09:00 <{Demo}2> also who determines how expensive intellectual property is? 09:00 ais523: I wouldn't say "a lot" of things are input. The money supply is weird, obviously, but insurance scams are a thing of the past. 09:00 <@FIQ> the wildest things happen on there 09:00 aosdict: bummer 09:01 stenno4: the way it works is that in order to do certain things on an account, you need an item that can only be created with real-world money 09:01 and lasts for only a limited time when used 09:01 stenno4: You can buy (with real money) PLEX, which are subscription tokens; these can be traded for in-game money on the in-game market. 09:01 so any PLEX was originally created with rea lmoney, but it's an in-game tradeable item which has a value in the game 09:02 <@FIQ> I thought ISK lasted indefinitely? 09:02 ISK does; I think you've misread ais523 09:02 so rich people who want lots of in-game stuff can create PLEX to sell, and cheapskates who are rich in-game can buy PLEX with their in-game ISK 09:02 <@FIQ> I guess you need to pay for the license to play it 09:02 <@FIQ> plex, yes 09:02 @FIQ: yes, ISK lasts forever, a PLEX lasts forever (or until destroyed) if unused, but lasts only a month when you start using it 09:02 And scammers can set up misleading contracts to steal your PLEX 09:02 ais523: Now newPLEX are 500 oldPLEX but basically yes 09:03 and because a PLEX has a fixed real-world value, the ISK/PLEX exchange rate is basically an EVE/real world exchange rate 09:03 Pinkbeast: ah right, a currency revaluing 09:03 FIQ: It's in the usual free-to-play model but you can't do all that much as a F2P player 09:03 you can do more F2P in EVE than in many MMOs, I think 09:03 <@FIQ> @Pinkbeast#0000 "misleading contracts" given the lack of regulation, can't they just lie? 09:03 err, I mean plexless/alpha 09:03 ais523: Not really - all oldPLEX turned into 500 newPLEX, it's more like them inventing cents 09:03 its cool that the game engine allows that 09:04 @FIQ: contracts are computer-enforced but being computers, they will enforce exactly what was written 09:04 FIQ: You can lie _about_ the contract, but the contract itself can't lie - it's up to you to dress it up in misleading text 09:04 <@FIQ> ahh, interesting 09:04 so like smart contracts on the blockchain lol 09:04 so you just create one that looks better than it is 09:04 <@FIQ> I thought contracts was a metagame construct only 09:04 there have been smart contract explits 09:04 exploits 09:05 stenno4: Yes, in that trying to write computer programs that have to work right first time or someone can steal all the money is clearly stupid and unworkable 09:05 I think a classic scam was to agree a contract where the victim would deliver an item, which looks ilke the delivery should be easy, but to set the destination to be somewhere where the victim can't actually dock 09:05 so they end up defaulting and you take a penalty payment 09:05 this is the sort of contract scam that would make no sense in real life but is entirely workable in EVE 09:06 Yeah, courier contract scams. Or make the payload look valuable so the courier steals it, only to find out it's worthless, and they pay the penalty for nondelivery. 09:06 <@FIQ> given the nature of a subset of people to make guides for everything, wouldn't it reduce the impact of contract scams 09:06 Pinkbeast: I think the latter scam is "more valid" in that it only works on someone who is trying to scam you 09:06 the most EVEish version, of course, is to contract someone to deliver an item, then try to kill them on the way 09:06 ais523: In a sense, but I expect essentially any courier will peek in the package to see if it's worth stealing 09:07 (and then claim the nondelivery payment on top of it) 09:07 I sometimes sell my crap by shipping it around with collateral worth maybe 90% of the value; essentially I pay the courier 10% to sell it for me. 09:07 in order to understand what a smart contract does, you need to understand its source (which is transparent) but i doubt that most people actually do that 09:07 and ERC-20 and NFT are based on smart contracts 09:08 <@FIQ> does the contract scripting allow a non-aggression clause 09:08 transparent> again, you're trying to write a computer program that works right the first time 09:08 FIQ: Nope! 09:08 <@FIQ> heh 09:08 Pinkbeast: there are at least testnets for that 09:08 @FIQ: it'd hardly work, you'd just get your *friends* to kill them on the way, or an alternate account, or whatever 09:08 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 true 09:08 nonaggression pacts exist in EVE but it's mostly just for interface purposes so that you don't shoot at your friends by mistake 09:09 <@FIQ> ah 09:09 <{Demo}2> irl u can shoot down delivery drones and steal the shit 09:09 there are also "high-security" areas which are patrolled by computerised police, which don't allow people to actively fight each other (at least, you can, but if you try then the police will destroy your ship and may start hunting you down in the future if you do it too much) 09:10 but that's only a subset of the game world and I think many EVE players prefer low- or no-security areas 09:10 nullsec is like a vast feudal system; you owe allegiance to your corporation which protects you, your corp owes allegiance to an alliance, alliances owe allegiance to coalitions 09:10 well, it doesn't *have* to be, that's just how it worked out 09:10 every now and then the whole political system collapses 09:11 That's true (the corps and alliances are provided by the game, but what people do with them is up to them) but I suspect a non-feudal nullsec would be taken over by invaders who work on this system 09:12 <@FIQ> because they can field the biggest fleets? 09:12 I think some wormhole-space areas have survived with a mostly independent internal government, but maybe not 09:12 most commonly what happens is corps that pledge allegiance to whatever alliance is most convenient at the moment, to help avoid being shot at 09:12 Wormhole space is different because of the difficulties of force projection, yeah 09:13 but which don't actually care about the surrounding politics and will join wars if they think it'd be fun rather than because their allies tell them to 09:14 is it easy to get into that as a beginner? 09:14 <@FIQ> EVE you mean? 09:14 yeah 09:14 https://www.flickr.com/photos/23579228@N04/2335016192 09:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3836 09:15 the on-ramps are very slow, partly because they don't want new accounts to disrupt the economy too muhc 09:15 figured 09:15 experience gain is gated by real time 09:15 and you can't do that much without skills 09:15 ... they exaggerate a bit and actually if you can learn NetHack you'll be fine in EVE 09:15 that said, the developers do care about new players and have lots of solo newbie quests, etc. 09:15 The real hump is not learning the game but finding something _fun_ to do. 09:15 would i not constantly be a prey of stronger players 09:16 noted 09:16 oh, the learning curve isn't that bad (although checking guides is recommended) 09:16 <@FIQ> don't you need to pay to bootstrap yourself though 09:16 as for constantly being prey: a) in high-security areas you're protected by the computerised police CONCORD, and most strong players won't risk annoying them by messing with someone who isn't valuable to mess with 09:16 <@FIQ> so not really something you can just try out 09:16 stenno4: In highsec, unjustified aggression will always result in the destruction of the aggressor's ship. So if you aren't kitted out with expensive stuff, who's going to bother? 09:17 b) there are a few "newbie areas" where scamming people is not allowed 09:17 mm ok 09:17 <@FIQ> those are seperate from fullsec? 09:17 Also, one fun thing you can do is start ganking people yourself, which you can do with the starting skill package. 09:17 FIQ: There's no "fullsec"; undocking is consent to PVP (except if you are new in a handful of newbie systems) 09:17 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2247 points, T:3932, killed by a giant mosquito 09:18 <@FIQ> @Pinkbeast#0000 I meant highsec, sorry 09:18 Those lovable CODE scamps organise most highsec ganking these days and do full ship replacement, so that's a free way to get into PVP. 09:18 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:19 FIQ: In all highsec unjustified aggression results in destruction; in a handful of systems you're not allowed to shoot newbies. 09:19 anyway, I think there's little reason to get a paid account immediately because those mostly just increase the skill caps, which you'd take a while to reach anyway 09:19 <@FIQ> ahh 09:19 (but high skills are important enough to the game that the developers expect people to pay eventually) 09:19 <@FIQ> ais523: but I thought you needed plex to be able to fly at all? 09:19 <@FIQ> "pilot license" something 09:19 no, they just a) increase skill caps, b) allow you to have multiple accounts 09:19 <@FIQ> hm ok 09:20 FIQ: No - the PLEX system predates it going free-to-play 09:20 but ships have minimum skill requirements to fly, so the best ships are inaccessible without increase caps 09:20 <@FIQ> Pinkbeast: ah I was unaware that it went f2p 09:20 So there _was_ a point where you needed a paid sub or to be able to make enough game money to buy PLEX. 09:20 <@FIQ> yeah, that is what I meant 09:20 I think pretty much every major MMO is F2P nowadays to at least some extent 09:20 And some things you just can't do at all as an "alpha" - eg cloak 09:21 <@FIQ> basically, you need to pay to get an initial plex, then if you play well you could avoid it later due to plex-isk exchange 09:21 bear in mind that the way MMO economies work is, the longer you've been playing, the easier it is to earn money 09:22 a 10-year-old account can earn more ISK doing nothing than a 2-year-old account could playing 24/7… 09:22 <@FIQ> doesn't WoW still require a subscription for anything past the absolute newbie areas? 09:22 <@FIQ> speaking of major MMOs I mean 09:22 WoW Classic is sub-only, that I know 09:22 I vaguely remember that WoW had some sort of F2P mode added but it was very limited compared to the full game 09:23 that was several years ago now, though, so the rules have probably changed 09:23 (A friend of mine and I had a cultural exchange where he'd play the resurrected _City of Heroes_ and I'd play WoW Classic, and oh god, it turns out "World of Walking" wasn't an _unkind_ stereotype at all) 09:24 <@FIQ> what do you mean? are you saying the game world is big? 09:24 More that you spend a lot of time schlepping around it on foot 09:24 <@FIQ> ah 09:24 <@FIQ> no fast-travel? 09:25 There's a bit of fast travel (but it's not instant and costs in-game money) but even so. 09:25 I think we spent two hours wandering all over some zone looking for one particular enemy. 09:25 I actually came to the realisation, a while ago, is that one of the marks of a good computer game is if it can make slow-travel interesting 09:25 Travel is a bit _too_ easy in the City, alas, but it's an imperfect world. 09:25 but very few games can 09:26 fast-travel is basically giving up, because you can't 09:26 s/interesting/fun/ 09:26 making slow travel interesting is very difficult in an open world game 09:26 <@FIQ> now you reminded me of the joy that is lacking Fly in pokémon games 09:26 ais523: One reason I say that is the slow travel is quite quick and often really fun 09:26 stenno4: you would need a combat system where even the popcorn fights were fun 09:27 @FIQ: are you being sarcastic or serious, there? I quite enjoy slow-travel in Pokémon, especially once the Mach Bike was invented 09:27 ais523: so if nethack were a good computer game we wouldn't need the _ command? 09:27 <@FIQ> there's really only one set of games that I can stand it in because I like the in-game music and the fact that you can avoid wilds almost entirely for the most part 09:27 aosdict: _ isn't fast-travel in the computer game sense, it's just a way of abbreviating input 09:28 What about levelport? :-) 09:28 <@FIQ> ais523: With the exception of 5gen, I don't mind slow-travel per se, but it can get tiring to be constantly jumped 09:28 @FIQ: now I'm interested as to which 09:28 you need very good and varied worldgame, and you'd a diverse class of monsters which makes fighting interested 09:28 FIQ: minecraft :D 09:28 ah yes, gen 5 is one of the possibilities I had in mind 09:28 -!- war has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:28 I think it is generally very hard to make "cleared" areas continually interesting even after you've done all the stuff you went there to do 09:29 pokemon sort of does this by having pokemon that only appear in certain areas of the world map 09:29 -!- war has joined #hardfought 09:29 but even then once you catch them, fight all the trainers, find all the items and interact with npcs, that's sort of exhausted it 09:29 clearing areas in Pokémon is actually much more difficult than it seems; you have the trainer battles, but then you also have trying to catch everything that's available there, and solving any puzzles that might exist 09:30 clearing every area isn't something you'd normally do until well *after* the usual end of the game 09:30 i'd rather have a small interesting world than a large one that is boring/repetitive 09:30 (also, B2W2's Habitat List was one of the best inventions ever to come to the Pokémon series, IMO) 09:30 <@FIQ> one thing that frustrates me @ clearing an area of wilds that only a single game actually gives you a good overview of wild capture progress of an area 09:31 <@FIQ> B2W2 sort of does it but can be misleading at times 09:31 <@FIQ> (I'm referring to DexNav) 09:31 that said, full-dex isn't normally interesting in Pokémon due to evolving things normally being uninteresting 09:32 either it's "grind a lot", or it's "work out / look up the trick" 09:32 evolving one or six Pokémon can be fun, but filling out an the entire dex of evolutions isn't 09:33 (White 2 is at least fairly good at this, because it's fun to see just how fast you can optimise your grinding strategies) 09:33 <@FIQ> ais523: I redesigned the storage system from the ground up in a romhack recently. I playtested by doing a full-dex playthrough, and for that I basically constantly had a mon on exp share for evolution reasons. Gets rid of most of the evolution grinding since you end up doing it as part of normal play 09:33 (and you end up evolving things as a side effect if you're trying it with freshly caught Pokémon) 09:33 @FIQ: I think my normal play is too fast for that 09:34 <@FIQ> my normal play is usually to clear out everything I can do in an area before I go to the next one. The exception is wilds unless I'm playing ORAS (because of dexnav) 09:34 although bear in mind that I was a competitive player, and need to optimise for things like "get an entire team with these moves, EVs and IVs at level 50 in three days" 09:34 <@FIQ> Heh 09:35 one year I was a little slow and was still grinding levels in the queue while waiting to register for the tournament… 09:35 <@FIQ> Hah 09:35 also one team member was Machamp and I had to go back home before it started (fortunately, fairly close) because I'd forgotten to bring a second DS 09:35 for the trade evolution 09:36 <@FIQ> hah 09:36 the fun thing is, after all that, the organisers were utterly disorganised and the actual play didn't start for about three-four hours 09:36 <@FIQ> couldn't you just ask someone there? 09:36 <@FIQ> heh 09:36 I could, but I have strange standards of honesty when it comes to computer games 09:37 and won't trade with anyone unless I'm 100% confident they haven't been using cheat devices 09:37 <@FIQ> ah 09:37 cheating is rampant in Pokémon, that sort of indirect cheating is indetectable if you discard any Pokémon you get from it 09:37 and yet, I still feel wrong doing it 09:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1121 09:38 (for example, I think it's universally accepted among competitive players that you can IV check a Pokémon by offering-without-trading it on a fake GTS that will check its IVs for you, and this doesn't count as cheating, but I'd consider the information gained from it to be cheating) 09:38 <@FIQ> I remember using a DS flashcart back in the day (I also bought the games themselves) because I found it far more convenient than carrying a bunch of cartridges. Those sort of throw off the regular RNG I think which could arguably make them count as cheating devices (they have more obvious implications, of course) 09:39 What's an IV? 09:39 OTOH, I am perfectly happy to reverse-engineer the RNG sequence and work out the IVs like that, as long as I do it on an unmodified console and cartridge using only controller inputs and outputs 09:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed Daughter Lilith, on T:45348 09:39 Pinkbeast: a random number from 0-31 associated with a particular stat of a Pokémon that determines how high that stat can grow, it's just added to the maximum 09:39 but, especially in earlier generations, the game doesn't give much of a hint that they exist or what the values are 09:40 <@FIQ> Pinkbeast: Individual Value, a random value between 0-31 that a Pokémon gets for each stat that gives them slightly more or less final stat value in it 09:40 and maxing your IVs can be very competitively important 09:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "greased magic marker", on T:58793 09:40 I think the original intended gameplay was just to catch thousands of Pokémon and grow them all to see which had the best stats, but that's no fun at all 09:40 (and something that the anime made fun of) 09:40 <@FIQ> ais523: I don't think the game acknowledges them at all until 3gen 09:41 controlling the RNG is way more fun and interesting, also much faster 09:41 @FIQ: they're mentioned very obliquely in Blaine's Gym all the way back in gen 1 (when they only went up to 15 and were called DVs) 09:42 <@FIQ> ais523: wasn't there an anime rival in one series (Paul) whose entire schtick was to mock competitive players? I don't watch the anime myself, but read up on it a bit on bulbapedia once 09:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed Baalzebub, on T:45413 09:42 the gen 4 frontier (and possibly the gen 3 frontier?) has a "judge" who will outright tell you a Pokémon's highest IV and approximately what its value is, which is basically a direct mentioning 09:42 but it's the only one I can think of 09:42 gen 4 also has a phrase like "Likes to eat." just below the nature, on the stat summary scheme, which is an IV hint but it's one you'd never figure out without a spoiler 09:42 <@FIQ> that was what I referred to when saying they started acknowledging it in 3gen 09:43 ("Likes to eat." = highest IV is HP, and has a value of 1 mod 5; evry common to see on competitive Pokémon) 09:43 <@FIQ> starting with 3gen, they have a stat judge that gives progressively better info the later you go generation-wise 09:43 <@FIQ> until 7gen where they just flat-out starts giving you a chart 09:43 I think gen 4 and 5 give the same info, but gen 5 gives it faster 09:43 in gen 4 you have to talk over and over again to get all the info and in gen 5 you get it all at once 09:44 <@FIQ> I thought best HP IV gave "Mischivious"? 09:44 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:44 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 09:44 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 09:44 that's special attack, I think? 09:44 yep 09:44 oh, "likes to eat" is 0 mod 5 09:44 1 mod 5 on HP is "often dozes off" 09:44 <@FIQ> oh the HP is "Takes plenty of siestas" 09:45 because the competitions I entered were held at level 50, there was scope for some rounding errors 09:45 <@FIQ> mhm 09:45 <@FIQ> Ah right, I only started looking into stuff like IVs starting with XY 09:45 if you don't care about 30 versus 31, you can get the Pokémon you need 2⁶ = 64 times faster 09:46 <@FIQ> That's probably why we have different views on what max HP IV says 09:46 (actually more like 32 because most of the time, you don't care about both attack stats because you only use one sort of attack) 09:46 right, it changed in gen 6 09:46 (I looked it up about 2 minutes ago just to be sure) 09:46 <@FIQ> since apparently 6gen changed it 09:47 <@FIQ> the pre-6gen one looks like a translation error caused a shift somewhere 09:47 yes, it says that in the Bulbapedia article 09:47 <@FIQ> because 2 and 3 are basically identical 09:47 this explains why "scatters things often" and "often scatters things" both exist with different meanings 09:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] bezaban (Kni Hum Mal Law), 442 points, T:837, killed by an uninjured gnome 09:47 (because they were accidentally translated from the same source, but fortunately with different word orders so you could tell them apart) 09:48 EV cluing is probably more interesting than IV cluing, to be fair 09:48 especially because unlike IVs (pre-gen-7?), EVs can be changed 09:49 <@FIQ> Strictly speaking you still can't change IVs, but you can make a stat be treated as max IVs 09:49 right 09:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:49 <@FIQ> but it wont affect stuff like Hidden Power 09:49 this does matter for Atk and sometimes Speed 09:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) was given the Silence Glaive, on T:59664 09:49 (generally speaking, a 0 in Attack is preferable if you aren't using physical attacks) 09:49 <@FIQ> Right, but getting min IV in one or two stats is much easier than getting it in 4-6 09:49 yes 09:50 there is a Pokémon I used competitively once which needed a min HP, but this sort of thing hardly ever comes up 09:50 and it was just cheesing a 1v1 ladder 09:50 <@FIQ> why was it needed? 09:51 gen 5 Whimsicott (pre-Fairy): Leech Seed, Substitute, Protect, Hurricane; Focus Sash, Prankster 09:51 max defences, min HP 09:51 <@FIQ> oh btw, do/did you like the frontier? if so, what's your favorite facility in it? 09:51 <@FIQ> ahh 09:51 to get the most effective Leech Seed regeneration 09:51 <@FIQ> I guess subseed gets more efficient with lower hp 09:51 <@FIQ> yeah 09:51 really it works regardless of your stats 09:52 but if the opponent has Quick Attack or the like, you want to leech enough HP to survive it 09:52 I like battle facilities (including frontier) in that they give competitive players something to do 09:52 -!- zhakupov has joined #hardfought 09:53 my greatest successes have actually been in gen 5's battle institute, using mostly unmodified competitive teams 09:53 but the straightforward tower/subway is probably my favourite 09:53 <@FIQ> my personal favorite was always the factory 09:53 I'm not particularly good at Factory (especially given the weird swapping rules) 09:53 <@FIQ> mostly because I didn't need to make a team for it :P 09:54 most of the battle facilities are just gimmicky 09:54 <@FIQ> also because it makes you use different mons every time 09:54 <@FIQ> which can be interesting and fun 09:54 to me, the teambuilding is much of the fun of Pokémon 09:54 <@FIQ> ah 09:54 the thing about battle facilities to competitive players, though, is that it's largely trivial to win any particular round most of the time 09:55 so it's all about minimizing the probability that something ridiculous happens that breaks your streak 09:55 I thought the point of pokemon was to blaze it through the story with your level 100 charizard 09:55 and then play on battle simulators like showdown 09:55 <@FIQ> is this because the AI sucks or because their team composition sucks? 09:55 (this is one of the reasons gen 8 was unpopular among competitive players: there's no penalty for streak-breaking so the battle tower is basically uninteresting) 09:55 @FIQ: both 09:56 in gen 4, I think there's a fairly well-known-by-now 100% win strategy involving Trick and a Choice Scarf 09:56 maybe not 100%, actually, there may be some way for some teams to win by critting multiple times in a row 09:56 so the record streaks come down to discipline on the player to not make a mistake 09:56 <@FIQ> there's this guy in the community for the romhack I develop who is a BT fanatic, and basically all sets in the hack was made by him. He also made a rather exhaustive list of AI bugs. No idea how hard the facility is in comparision to vanilla ones after fixes 09:56 IIRC Game Freak found out about it, though, and changed the AI for gen 5 and later 09:57 <@FIQ> they never fixed truant durant shenanigans though 09:57 the difficulty of vanilla battle tower normally comes down to who has the best flowchart, though :-D 09:57 IIRC Battle Hall was never broken, in the sense that I don't think the best strategy is known 09:58 there isn't enough teambuilding scope to handle everything so you have to hope to avoid bad matchups 09:58 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 I fixed exploits like that by making the AI do its move calculations twice if choice- or encore-locked, and switch out if the move they come up with differs, assuming they have a decent switch target 09:58 (the best teams are very complicated, though; you have to keep the same *species* after each run through the Hall to extend your streak, but can change the moves/items/abilities/etc., so good Battle Hall teams often have 3 or 4 mons on them) 09:59 <@FIQ> This also makes the AI switch out once the move runs out of PP as well (which GF only fixed much later) as a bonus 09:59 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 the battle hall always sounded pretty fun to me, but I've never tried it myself 09:59 <@FIQ> since I never got far enough in a 4gen game other than DP 10:00 <@FIQ> (which lacks a frontier) 10:00 oh good, the gen 4 Battle Frontier records thread got revived and is still going: https://www.smogon.com/forums/threads/4th-generation-battle-facilities-discussion-and-records.3663294/#post-8446718 10:00 <@FIQ> I never really enjoyed the 4gen games due to how slow they are 10:01 indeed; HGSS fixed some of the slowness but not all of it 10:03 oh wow, apparently Battle Frontier streaking technology has reached the point of "such and such an opponent can't have such and such a Pokémon because Item Clause is on" 10:09 <@FIQ> are you talking about factory? because I think that's the only case where your own mons can impact what you face since they need to obey your own mons and items too 10:09 <@FIQ> due to swap 10:10 @FIQ: no, in the Tower the opponent can't pick two Pokémon with the same item as each other 10:10 <@FIQ> ah 10:10 and if it has to reroll because of that, it changes the entire Pokémon, not just the item 10:10 so this gives you clues as to what possible opponents you might face 10:10 <@FIQ> I think in 6gen they opt to replace the held item instead 10:10 <@FIQ> with a generic berry 10:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:62108 10:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:62354 10:15 oh wow, the current doubles record actually uses Gravity, of all moves 10:16 primarily to increase accuracy in order to avoid random misses due to Brightpowder and friends 10:16 this is where "bad luck reduction" has got to 10:17 it's like new NetHack players on their first ascension, trying to prepare for any random piece of bad luck that might scupper the whole thing 10:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] zhakupov (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7383 10:17 Foresight, too 10:18 <@FIQ> Heh 10:20 although I think Foresight is at least partly so that you can hit Ghost-types with Explosion 10:20 (which is broken in gen 4) 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3740 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3846 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3942 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3957 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:4071 10:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:27578 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful large dog, on T:4258 10:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:27614 10:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3471 10:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:5671 10:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5855 10:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:6453 10:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 1891 points, T:2443, killed by a gold golem 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:6205 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Ziberian (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1290 points, T:2715, quit 10:51 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 speed boots", on T:6227 10:51 -!- slackerwacker11 has joined #hardfought 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:6234 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 426 points, T:1092, killed by a rabid rat 10:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7667 10:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Shelob, on T:67472 11:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:27778 11:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:28488 11:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28489 11:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:9366 11:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (orcs), on T:9372 11:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 22951 points, T:9372, killed by a scroll of genocide 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 189 points, T:2653, killed by an uninjured coyote 11:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:65823 11:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 841 points, T:4140, killed by an uninjured giant bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4325 11:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:29532 11:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4042 11:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Cav Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:4153 11:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Cav Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4919 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:7099 11:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4929 11:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bar Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:66909 11:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:2732 11:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 4359 points, T:5280, killed by a slightly wounded hallucinogen-distorted watch captain 11:35 !lastgame microlance 11:35 nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/nethack/dumplog/1615220098.nh.html 11:35 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 11:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 20 points, T:44, killed by strangulation 11:37 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:7388 11:39 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7459 11:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 502 points, T:1462, killed by a slightly wounded coyote, while praying 11:43 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1102, rt[0:06:18] 11:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Raider, on T:31857 11:46 -!- zhakupov has quit [Quit: zhakupov] 11:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:2657 11:53 [hdf-eu] [un] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Cha) shouted "aaaaaaaa polytraps are annoying", on T:2402 11:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2201 points, T:2425, killed by a wounded dwarf 11:54 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law), 7405 points, T:2154, rt[0:17:30], wc[16:21:19], killed by a nearly deceased carnivorous ape 11:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4104 11:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4142 11:55 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 11:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:32980 11:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:33014 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) had a silver two-handed sword entrusted to her by Mog, on T:45300 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9417 12:01 [hdf-eu] [un] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 3440 points, T:3254, killed by an ettin mummy 12:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5468 12:01 polytrapped 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Priest, on T:9464 12:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Set, on T:5772 12:05 oof 12:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:34186 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:10042 12:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Fem Cha) chose an elven broadsword to be named "Orcrist", on T:30375 12:14 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2325, rt[0:19:01] 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:10752 12:18 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law), 6535 points, T:2890, rt[0:22:20], wc[0:22:21], killed by an uninjured soldier ant 12:18 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:46426 12:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:35029 12:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:7765 12:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8158 12:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3544 12:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6117 12:22 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 12:24 [hdf-eu] [un] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 208 points, T:335, killed by a giant mimic 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6455 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Empiric, on T:943 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Mon Hum Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3387 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 18794 points, T:12703, petrified by touching a cockatrice corpse bare-handed 12:32 <@nabru> !lastgame Grouchy 12:32 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/nethack/dumplog/1615066320.nh.html 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2891 points, T:1529, killed by an uninjured werejackal 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:10196 12:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10515 12:38 <@nabru> ah, classic mistake. Touching a cockatrice corpse while blind 12:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Set, on T:11096 12:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:11434 12:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:11845 12:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5556 12:48 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Bin Clk Mal Non), 179 points, T:759, killed by a newt 12:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Kni Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4774 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 384 points, T:641, killed by a worthless piece of orange glass 12:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Gno Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:5866 12:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) wished for "magic marker", on T:45994 12:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1615 12:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first item, on T:13566 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2186 12:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5264 12:58 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 12:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:57852 12:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Fem Cha) destroyed tsingi's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:1245 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Fem Cha) destroyed quervo1's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:1275 13:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) wished for "magic marker", on T:45996 13:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) wished for "magic marker", on T:45998 13:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:58110 13:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) genocided class U, on T:58110 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law), 850 points, T:2714, killed by a magic missile 13:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed the Avatar of Lolth, on T:46025 13:05 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Bin Clk Mal Non), 28 points, T:177, killed by a goblin 13:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:46069 13:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:14785 13:12 [hdf-eu] [un] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2194 points, T:2125, killed by a soldier ant, while helpless 13:12 amateurhour: rip :c 13:13 I'm playing with half a brain cell :P so tired today 13:14 yeah, me too 13:14 kinda restless though 13:15 (go team a!) 13:15 Hi Joes 13:15 hi! 13:15 Hello joes, Welcome to #hardfought 13:15 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "sss", on T:3364 13:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 77570 points, T:15114, killed by a wounded rock troll 13:19 hey umby what's your username on twitch 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3182 13:20 time for some slex, i got a top model gridbug. only being able to move in 4 directions feels good 13:21 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 13:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Reaver, on T:35597 13:22 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Bin Clk Mal Non), 109 points, T:2055, killed by a newt 13:22 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:22 -!- qt_ is now known as qt 13:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:69079 13:23 I need to figure out how to get hungry to be in a different colour 13:23 keep getting to fainting 13:23 amateurhour: check my rcfile 13:23 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:23 i think mine has diff colours for each 13:23 for unnethack? 13:24 I copied my 3.7 config and it was like ???? what dis 13:24 oh does it not use the same format 13:24 baaaah 13:24 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:24 i don't really have a 3.4.3 config kicking around for it 13:24 i had to copy k2s rc file when i played unnethack back in june 13:24 i might hae those in my 343 config acttually 13:25 lemme check 13:25 you do the same, all will be fine 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) consumed animal products (lump of royal jelly) for the first time, on T:4041 13:25 I'd copy K2's config but I know for a fact there's horrifying and bad things in there 13:25 like numberpad 13:25 * amateurhour shudders 13:26 OPTIONS=statuscolors \newline STATUSCOLOR=satiated:yellow,hungry:orange,weak:red&bold,fainting:red&inverse,fainted:red&inverse&blink 13:26 see if that works in unnhrc 13:26 atleast it wont remind you to turn on numberpad all the time like slex, after turning it off 13:27 it didn't complain, so will see if it worked after getting hungry 13:27 haha yeah for slex you gotta put something whack in your rc file like 'plsnonumberpadhintpls' 13:28 [hdf-eu] [un] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Akalapi on T:1028 13:30 [hdf-eu] [slex] microlance (Emp Ung Mal Cha), 11660 points, T:8, killed by self-genocide 13:30 the sanest way to go 13:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Lungorthin, on T:69249 13:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4965 13:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:32 it worked, thanks 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 4820 points, T:5200, killed by an uninjured killer bee, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:35 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Campos (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3965 points, T:3562, quit 13:36 I thought hdf had a sane default rc for unnethack? 13:36 amateurhour: https://gist.github.com/bhaak/21d5b20db8a1b08e66bf1252cc6e62fc 13:36 aoei: no burdened, no Elbereth? 13:36 bhaak: I have more in my actual rcfile 13:36 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aoei/nh343/aoei.nh343rc 13:37 i just pasted the relevant line for hungry 13:37 no Elbereth? 13:37 thanks bhaak I'll copypasta that 13:37 bhaak: i didnt know about the elbereth thing 13:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:7104 13:37 does it exist in vanilla? 13:37 no 13:37 I had similar in my 3.7 config, I guess it's just slightly different 13:38 ah ok 13:38 yeah, I haven't yet updated to the 3.6 status hilites 13:38 amateurhour: yea i think 3.4.3 used STATUSCOLOR= and 3.6 changed to status hilites 13:38 different development lines 13:38 ah yeah 13:38 right 13:38 that'll be it 13:38 I think 3.6 never had statuscolors 13:43 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 13:43 [hdf-eu] [slex] microlance (Pro Ang Fem Cha), 620 points, T:1233, killed by a monster (ten-headed hydra) 13:44 pets don't willingly enter traps, right? 13:44 bhaak ur game is insulting me 13:44 I look at my health bar and what do I see 13:44 Amateurho the Initiate 13:44 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 13:52 which version patched the swagginnzzz exploit? 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 100 points, T:746, killed by an uninjured sewer rat 13:55 anything after 86d694c61b probably 13:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed Daemon, on T:46682 13:55 not sure, but on hdf K2 patched everything to use /dev/urandom 13:56 ok thanks 13:56 so you can't RNG hax hdf-343 either 13:56 it reseeds from one of the random devices periodically so you can't long term predict anything 13:56 right yea 13:57 looks like it was bhaak that added that :) 13:57 so version 3.6.3 right 13:58 yeah, it was 3.6.2 in the README still at time of addition 13:58 joes: willingly, no 13:58 outside of the obvious "they didn't know it was there" 13:58 exceptions include jumping onto polymorph traps when sufficiently weakened 13:58 cool. actually now i thiink about it im not 100% sure k2 backported the fix to hdf-343 13:59 i think he said all variants mix urandom on hardfought 13:59 but idk 13:59 and ofc early pets walking into pounders 13:59 because they really wanna play with those rocks 14:00 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:20476 14:00 the chroot was made to use dev/urandom 14:02 -!- dmikemiller has joined #hardfought 14:02 right 14:04 I'm pretty sure the swaginzzz exploit wasn't possible on 3.4.3-nao 14:05 ah 14:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed Glasya, on T:46772 14:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 1234 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:38419 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:104795 14:09 amateurhour: don't blame the game, you chose that unfortunate user name 14:10 :P 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law), 463 points, T:1036, killed by a heavily wounded homunculus, while sleeping 14:12 did u play as frisk 14:13 amateurhour almost died because the statuslines were on 3 lines? 14:13 when I turned on the realtime meter on the statusline the statuses were really squished and hard to see 14:13 but looking at how people play I'm starting to feel like a fossil playing on 80x24 anyway 14:13 yeah lol 14:13 I think I should try move into the new UI with inventory always full etc. 14:14 s/full/visible/ 14:14 oh yeah. at least 25 lines to get the status indicators on their own line 14:15 the 25 lines are also on the tty port. you don't need the curses UI for that 14:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 380 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:39340 14:16 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 14:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Campos (Nob Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3319 14:17 ALSO 14:17 the default size did not have the same aspect ratio as the OBS streaming thing 14:17 this is very awful 14:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:9329 14:18 hmm can you change the streaming resolution and aspect ratio 14:19 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 14:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:39883 14:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:39892 14:21 K2: wasn't there a point made against using /dev/urandom because it might severely slow down the system? 14:23 yeah you are supposed to just use urandom to seed 14:23 but I think servers like here just won't use enough randomness for this to matter 14:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:24 urandom doesn't block anyway, but I guess you could drain all the entropy and then swagginz it up? :P 14:24 it'd be really convoluted to do that 14:24 if anyone pulls it off I'll give them a zorkmid 14:25 I think it's secure anyway even if you drained all entropy all the time as long as system could seed itself properly 14:25 my understanding is that worrying about the entropy stuff is almost meaningless 14:25 ugh I read some article somewhere where the author had lots of opinions on this 14:26 I don't think I've ever had a problem with urandom other than a few seconds after starting an ec2 instance 14:26 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1336, rt[0:07:21] 14:32 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2186, rt[0:13:03] 14:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Campos (Nob Hum Mal Law), 6863 points, T:4016, killed by touching Mjollnir 14:32 Today I found out https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SGwucfg8J94 is a thing 14:34 Umbire: I don't wanna keep my pet vortex 14:34 Then just leave it lol 14:34 Or leash it and lead it onto a polymorph trap 14:34 assuming you can even still do that anymore 14:35 that's the problem, but I got a whistle frome Minetown 14:36 you can leash a vortex? 14:36 ... how? 14:36 what's the option to make status lines 2 long in the rc file? 14:36 You used to be able to 14:36 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law), 5328 points, T:2618, [0:17:14], killed by a slightly wounded energy vortex 14:36 I think they're phasing that out since they noticed the fridge logic 14:36 you can't in 3.7 14:36 ^ 14:36 thought so 14:37 whistle's your best chance then 14:37 though what vortex is it anyway? 14:38 found a bag :D 14:38 stood on a polytrap and lost my robe D: 14:38 what a rollercoaster of emotions 14:41 <{Demo}2> whta game? 14:41 <{Demo}2> slem3d? 14:42 what in gods flat earth is slem3d? 14:42 <{Demo}2> i dont want to know 14:42 currently trying unnethack 14:42 <{Demo}2> oh 14:42 <{Demo}2> hope ur actually good at nethack 14:43 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:43 I'm not, I just roll ok at luck sometimes 14:43 <{Demo}2> then you might find un challenging 14:43 use hope 14:43 <{Demo}2> you can't just get lucky and have the run in the bag like in a lot of variants and vanilla 14:44 -!- slackerwacker11 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:44 but bhaak pinkyswore that 'unnethack is the variant for players that suck' 14:44 as in is nice to the player 14:44 what nasty thing stops that? 14:44 unnethack also had disintegrators 14:44 <{Demo}2> well, I have an analogy but its not a good one 14:45 I don't remember if they were kept 14:45 but they are bullshit 14:45 @u?disintegrator 14:45 awww it doesn't work 14:45 [hdf-us] [slex] RohoDragon (Val Dwa Fem Law), 102094 points, T:20331, killed by a monster (leocrotta) 14:46 <{Demo}2> they are gone 14:46 any variant that uses color alchemy has surrendered any right to claim it is player friendly 14:46 Adeon: they were not kept because you complained about them 14:46 GOOD 14:47 * hothraxxa complains about color alchemy 14:47 will attempt to strim nethack again in about 10 min 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1292 points, T:2277, killed by an uninjured rabid rat 14:47 can we also get rid of mind flayers 14:47 i can deal with the scrambled dragons but colour alchemy makes my head hurt 14:47 these do not improve the game 14:47 they just make players #quit because losing your memory is bullshit 14:48 Adeon: I mentioned yesterday that they got rid of object amnesia 14:48 to you 14:48 woooooo 14:48 wait 14:48 when 14:48 I have no memory of this 14:48 they have changed but they still are a fucking nuisance 14:48 while you were complaining about nerfed strategies 14:48 I must have missed it 14:48 lol 14:48 but sounds good 14:48 amnesia is bad 14:48 and level amnesia too right? 14:48 I do not like it 14:49 "you forget all of your training in your primary weapon" is not any better imo 14:49 they just do int drain now 14:49 you'll be surprised at how tame they made flayers 14:49 yeeessss 14:49 perfect 14:49 my faith in devteam has been restored 14:49 yeah hothraxxa, especially when an alhoon gets you 14:50 you're not sure you're using your +7 excalibur the right way 14:50 Adeon: do you know about the mysterious force nerf too 14:50 aren't alhoons a dnh thing 14:50 you might have experienced it yesterday 14:50 [hdf-eu] [slex] microlance (Tra Ang Mal Cha) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:6332 14:50 fiq: also evilhack 14:50 I did get some mysterious force 14:50 it's still there 14:51 it just happens less 14:51 but it wasn't really different enough for me to tell if anything has changed 14:51 the more you get ganked by the force, the less often it procs 14:51 it starts full scale but reduces over time the more it triggers 14:51 you have to be lawful to notice i think 14:51 so it isn't really all that noticeable 14:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:42258 14:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:42259 14:52 i once had to traverse orcus town 16 times as a gnome healer 14:52 so fuck the mysterious force 14:53 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:53 going upstairs for e.g. demon or lich luring during the asc run is now a valid strategy 14:54 er downstairs 14:55 I think I would remove the demon/lich teleporting and replace it with something else 14:55 it's not obvious how you should deal with that behavior as a player who has not seen that before 14:55 <@Rehord> whats color alchemy hoth 14:56 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 14:56 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Alchemy#Color_alchemy 14:56 [hdf-eu] [slex] microlance (Tra Ang Mal Cha), 73478 points, T:6643, petrified by a normal corpse 14:56 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 14:57 it's horrible. it makes my head hurt so i just don't do alchemy in variants that have it 14:57 i just check to see whether a valuable potion (say gl) is brown, which is trivial to make 14:58 but most of the time brown is useless, fruit juice or something 14:58 i made a spreadsheet for color alchemy only to realize that all my useful potions are colorless, and ineligible for alchemy 14:58 i like color alchemy, but not colorless nonalchemy 14:58 yay just confirmed a positive covid case at my work 14:58 -!- misha has quit [Quit: leaving] 14:58 -!- misha has joined #hardfought 14:59 K2: do you have to physically go to your workplace? 14:59 contact tracing should be fun... 14:59 there's also that aspect. i think dynahck or maybe unnethack makes an effort to ensure that all the good potions are at least possible 14:59 Adeon yeah 14:59 does that mean everyone gets to work from home for awhile? 14:59 dang 14:59 well the manufacturing plant is pretty big 14:59 not everyone comes into contact with everyone else 15:00 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:00 i personally didnt come into close contact with said person 15:01 <{Demo}2> any idea how long it is until ppl that fit ur profile are supposed to be able to get the vaccines? 15:01 but a few other people have already been sent home to quarantine 15:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:42813 15:01 {Demo}2 right now in my state its 65 or older 15:02 or 55 w/ underlying health issues 15:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the first wraithworm, on T:15458 15:02 not quite old enough :) 15:02 <{Demo}2> what about "almost 50 w/ a BAD ATTITUDE" 15:03 i wish hah 15:03 thankfully my wife has already had both shots (she works in medical field) 15:09 <{Demo}2> one day i wanna see a tax doctor to help me figure out if i can create infinite free tax writeoffs from donating intellectual property 15:10 germany is so slow regarding the vaccination 15:10 its a bit embarrassing 15:10 <{Demo}2> yall havent even got the old ppl yet? 15:10 my mom got the shots already because she is a teacher 15:10 {Demo}2: its complicated 15:10 vaccination here in Brazil is going slowly 15:11 better than france at least stenno 15:11 sure, we've vaccinated 10M people, but we're 210M 15:11 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 15:12 and the little boy we call "president" is actively sabotaging efforts to vaccinate and prevent covid. Also, a lot of people are throwing clandestine parties 15:12 <{Demo}2> whats the virus kill percent and the virus "damage" percent and can they just vaccinate that percent worth of ppl likely to fall into those categories first? 15:12 'ur demographic is stupid so u get priority access to the vaccine' 15:12 here, the higher risk you are the sooner you get vaccinated 15:12 <{Demo}2> shortcut! 15:13 there are 4 risk groups 15:13 my mom is in risk group 2, my dad is in risk group 3, and i am in risk group 4 15:13 as my dad is teaching at a university, he tries to get into group 2 15:13 <{Demo}2> if we have risk groups, im the one that is negative risk 15:14 i could probably get group 3 15:14 <{Demo}2> like, the virus can't get me, but i can get other people 15:14 <{Demo}2> i am a danger and the state should execute me 15:15 o_O" 15:16 what makes you dangerous lol 15:17 <{Demo}2> uhh idk, it was just fun words to type 15:17 ominous 15:18 * K2 slaps {Demo}2 around a bit with a large trout 15:18 close enough to an execution by the state 15:18 amateurhour: you can go through the pits on the lowest sokoban level 15:19 yeah but it doesn't feel right not solving it 15:19 I can't believe I typo'd 15:19 :( 15:19 done that puzzle a million times in slex (unflipped) 15:19 aren't you speedrunning though? 15:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Slayer, on T:44676 15:19 no? I'm playing a casual unnethack game 15:20 never really played it before 15:20 <{Demo}2> monk? 15:20 oh ok 15:20 of course, got to do one in each variant 15:20 <{Demo}2> i should try un monk 15:20 so far feels like what I imagine 3.4.3 to be 15:21 <{Demo}2> best monk is chaotic cause then u can use stormy 15:21 <{Demo}2> martial arts sucks in vanilla 15:21 <{Demo}2> and unnethack 15:21 <{Demo}2> its nice early game 15:21 it's somewhat okay in 3.7 now (maybe) 15:22 definitely still blows compared to slash'em 15:23 <{Demo}2> yeah 15:28 <{Demo}2> unnethack has orctown now??? 15:28 <{Demo}2> i thought unnethcak was friendly? 15:28 <{Demo}2> this better be xnh orctown 15:28 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 15:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:31 its sporks orctown 15:31 guessing combat makes noise in unh 15:31 what's the official abbreviation? 15:31 unnh? unh? un? 15:32 oh you pick a reward don't you 15:32 I just derped and took the boh despite already having one 15:32 yes 15:33 well then that was a waste 15:37 <{Demo}2> this is NOT xnh orctown 15:38 <{Demo}2> if i wanted to play sporkhack, i'd be playing sporkhack 15:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1320 15:42 had to break elberethless :( 15:42 -!- Umbire_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:43 nooooooooooo 15:44 [hdf-eu] [un] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 22147 points, T:10879, quit 15:44 lost vegan 15:44 ragequit 15:44 what'd you eat 15:44 was it a candybar? a wrong-color pudding? 15:44 typo'd and ate a tripe ration 15:45 oof 15:45 that one's on you, i guess 15:45 yeah 15:45 :/ 15:45 paranoid_meat 15:45 i think dnh has that? 15:45 you can set the the conduct with C on the start screen 15:46 huh 15:46 <@riker> dont htink dnh has paranoid meat 15:46 does that add paranoid confirmation for them? 15:47 with some conducts it gives you leeway. 15:47 not sure about vegan 15:47 no weaponless there I see :P 15:47 what is 'ascet'? I've heard of 'Heaven or Hell' 15:48 ascet is foodless 15:48 -!- spicycebolla is now known as spicycat 15:51 yani - if you fall through a hole or a pit, monsters' squares are valid places to land, and they get fragged instantly 15:52 top 10 strategies for dealing with master kaen 15:52 @riker i thought when i played a dragon monk, my nose warned me about all the corpses 15:52 maybe that's just a dragon thing tho 15:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:46362 15:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46372 15:56 <{Demo}2> you have scent vision and sniffy dragon nose 15:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3210 15:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:46411 15:56 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3262 15:58 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3477 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3697 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of leather gloves on an altar, on T:3702 16:02 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 16:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 16:05 @le?bundle monster 16:05 <{Demo}2> bundle bundle bundle 16:05 -!- slackerwacker11 has joined #hardfought 16:05 wtf? what's up with pinobot 16:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Dwa Fem Non), 12474 points, T:4905, killed by a dwarf 16:05 <{Demo}2> im pinobot now 16:05 -!- slackerwacker11 has quit [Client Quit] 16:05 @le?demogorgon 16:06 <{Demo}2> strong stats, will kill you 16:06 -!- slackerwacker11 has joined #hardfought 16:06 @le?the Wizard of Yendor 16:06 aww now we had a working pinobot for what, three days tops, and now it's already not working anymore? 16:06 <{Demo}2> weak stats, has magic 16:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Feya (Bin Dwa Fem Non), 0 points, T:15, killed by a grid bug 16:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:46781 16:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:46782 16:07 but anyway, I decided that I'll release slex 2.70 today come hell or high water :P meaning that whatever stuff I don't get done today before bedtime, will have to wait for 2.71 or later 16:08 release cycle depending on the sleep schedule of the dev :P 16:08 <{Demo}2> sleep? 16:09 level 1 Sleep is a condition that players and monsters may be affected by in NetHack. While asleep, you are immobilized for a number of turns. 16:09 heh, sleep is overrated 16:09 how did I add level 1 to that 16:09 s/level 1 // 16:09 as opposed to level 2 sleep, where you are not immobilized 16:09 you actually learn to kill monsters in your dreams 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4112 16:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:47211 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3604 points, T:4142, killed by an uninjured watch captain 16:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 54694 points, T:19494, killed by a death ray 16:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 16:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:48412 16:22 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class ;), on T:48734 16:28 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:29 where will the ice queen branch be btw? anywhere before the castle? 16:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:48801 16:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on Dlvl:37, on T:58763 16:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 jumping boots", on T:48807 16:34 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 16:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:58764 16:35 amateurhour: you should ping me so I actually see your post :D will be accessible from a stair in the wyrm caves, which are themselves in the lower parts of the dungeons of doom, i.e. before the castle 16:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:48822 16:36 gotcha 16:36 Hi LarienTelrunya 16:37 You busy trying to airlift people's branches again? :B 16:37 lol Umbire :D 16:38 Nah but really, you porting mini-K2's branch to SLEX? o: 16:38 not porting, already ported 16:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:58930 16:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47859 16:43 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had a pair of fencing gloves entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:15681 16:47 imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 16:47 :P 16:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) performed the invocation, on T:48096 16:48 hi K2! it's happening, I've waited for so long and am going to actually release slex 2.70 now! will take a bit to push commits and stuff though 16:51 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 16:52 push to production 16:52 yolo 16:56 of course I didn't get nearly all the savebreaking stuff done that I wanted to do, but that means there'll be an even newer version to look forward to ;) 16:56 and 2.68 has been the public version for too long already, it's time for something new 16:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:59250 16:56 oh Amy didnt I tell you? had to drop slex to make room for slashthem 16:56 so sorry 16:56 gah! 16:56 <{Demo}2> slashtehmeretaher 16:56 <{Demo}2> ^ play that instead 16:56 :P 16:57 it was amateurhour's idea 16:57 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:57 i just do as i'm told 16:57 well things were getting cluttered and do we really need two slex variants? 16:57 slex 'variant' ? 16:57 you mean slash'em variants? 16:57 <{Demo}2> hey k2 drop slashthem and add an ascii picture of my face 16:57 ok 16:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:59263 16:58 SlashTHEM (github page) is a variant of Slash'EM Extended version 75 currently maintained and developed by Soviet5lo 16:58 "version 75", by the current slex version numbering scheme that would read 0.75 16:58 out with the old and in with the new I say 16:59 and god were the old slex versions ever bugged :P slex 0.75 crashed when you looked at it funny 16:59 time to get mini-me cya 16:59 seeya 16:59 gah if only github weren't so goddamn laggy 17:00 might be less laggy if your repo wasn't an unholy few GB in size :) 17:00 gonna write at least a 2.70 changelog so that players can see what's new 17:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1367392 points, T:59272, killed by Moloch's indifference 17:01 wait, the last entry in that is from May 2020??? oh my god so I need to catch up ten months worth of commits 17:01 GROAN 17:01 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law), 2831 points, T:1176, [0:09:54], quit 17:02 is hastyglord someone's alt? I'd love to hear how their monk games are going 17:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:27092 17:09 [hdf-us] [slex] beastly (Che Vam Mal Cha), 14581 points, T:4491, killed by a wand of striking 17:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 2488340 points, T:48841, ascended 17:09 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/nethack/dumplog/1614467751.nh.html 17:13 <{Demo}2> glord's alt presumably 17:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 196107 points, T:27631, killed by a shark 17:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:6506 17:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 figurine of an intoner", on T:6912 17:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:6982 17:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Heroine, on T:57040 17:32 alright, commits pushed, now to merge them into master... 17:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 premium heart", on T:8103 17:33 wait, there were no merge conflicts at all??? that must be a bug, there certainly were dozens 17:36 there's only 4 commits on master that aren't on the other branch though 17:39 alright let's see how many hours it takes to push master now :D 17:39 you could spend this time preparing a usb stick to install a sane OS from :) 17:40 amateurhour: now I can finally present a changelog :D https://raw.githubusercontent.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/master/history2.txt 17:40 also I want to see the OS that I can install in five seconds, because that's how long pushing master really took 17:40 oh thank god the number one issue was resolved 17:40 ? 17:40 Fixed "there is a snow here" and similar odd messages. 17:40 oh, "there is a snow here", yeah that was literally unplayable 17:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 13809 points, T:6807, killed by a forest centaur 17:41 it really ruined the immersion, that's the kind of thing that makes you realise you're playing a game 17:41 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Bin Clk Mal Non) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:5518 17:41 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 457 points, T:1991, killed by a falling object 17:42 alright, going to install it on the esm server (and see if it bugs out) before I start nagging the hdf admins ;) 17:44 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:57694 17:46 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] fakepass (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) was given the Holy Moonlight Sword, on T:13408 17:58 @910rd 18:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:03 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 18:05 -!- Umbire is now known as Guest20854 18:05 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 18:05 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of bone gauntlets entrusted to her by Odin, on T:11049 18:07 -!- Guest20854 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:10 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:14703 18:12 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 18:12 -!- luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 18:16 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:17 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:18 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a trident entrusted to her by Odin, on T:11723 18:23 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 18:31 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Orc Fem Una) murdered Lola, her faithful homunculus, on T:694 18:32 rip Lola 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16113 18:35 all the snow is gonna be gone by wed/thurs 18:35 sad face 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Orc Fem Una), 1114 points, T:880, killed by a bolt of lightning 18:35 <{Demo}2> its gonna be in the 70s on friday 18:35 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Mal Law), 63943 points, T:25160, killed by an energy vortex 18:36 <{Demo}2> also going up to the Potomac on friday so good timing mr weather 18:36 50's here by wed 18:42 <{Demo}2> might even go in the water 18:43 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:43 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:46 -!- luxidream2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:46 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 18:46 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 18:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:19942 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law), 199 points, T:890, killed by an uninjured coyote 18:50 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Really quit? (Y/N)] 18:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:20963 18:54 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Orc Mal Una), 544 points, T:1134, killed by a Grey-elf 18:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:21066 18:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:21170 18:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:21239 18:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:21312 18:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Garland, on T:21454 18:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5879 18:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:21486 18:58 -!- nobyk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:58 -!- nobyk has joined #hardfought 19:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:22446 19:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law), 558 points, T:2460, killed by an uninjured bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Oona, on T:23641 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6468 19:12 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law), 537 points, T:2470, killed by an uninjured hobgoblin, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:20 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law), 2456 points, T:909, rt[0:07:23], wc[0:08:19], killed by an uninjured soldier ant 19:20 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:26721 19:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 19647 points, T:7746, killed by a wounded gremlin 19:29 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:29 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2411 points, T:1026, [0:08:53], killed by a slightly wounded hallucinogen-distorted ettin mummy 19:30 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:30 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 19:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "cursed 2 scrolls of genocide", on T:27746 19:32 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a copper amulet of magic resistance, on T:17450 19:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:48161 19:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:28519 19:37 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (dwarves), on T:1074, rt[0:07:41] 19:38 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2010 points, T:1074, [0:07:41], killed by a magic missile 19:38 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:39 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law), 106 points, T:274, [0:01:29], killed by a wounded small mimic 19:39 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:42 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law), 659 points, T:349, [0:02:33], killed by a wounded gnome lord, while praying 19:42 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 19:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:14831 19:46 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:47 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3504 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed SamG's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:3645 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3650 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2102 points, T:3653, killed by wounded Ms. Manlobbi; the shopkeeper 19:50 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Bin Clk Mal Non), 24454 points, T:11348, killed by a blue jelly 19:53 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:1679, rt[0:10:41] 19:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a dagger entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4301 19:57 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2294, rt[0:14:52] 19:58 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a long sword entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4653 19:59 -!- beastlyfido has joined #hardfought 20:03 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:109548 20:05 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18475 20:06 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law), 7747 points, T:3308, rt[0:23:01], wc[0:23:44], killed by a wounded giant mimic 20:06 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of an intoner", on T:31439 20:09 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 20:14 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 20:17 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1815 points, T:1118, [0:10:14], killed by an uninjured ettin mummy 20:17 [hdf-us] [seed] HastyGlord (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 20:22 <@910rd> HastyGlord is my alt, I'm trying to do the mines end luckstone+soko prize. So far I get wrecked by catacombs or mimic of the mines. Otherwise I make a noob mistake in soko. 20:24 nice 910rd 20:29 -!- NA0rsa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:34274 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 778 points, T:2682, killed by an uninjured Uruk-hai 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:11279 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:11279 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:11280 20:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Val Dwa Fem Law), 827 points, T:3829, fell into a pit 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:110961 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:11558 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:11849 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 943 points, T:1760, killed by an uninjured gnome lady 21:03 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 21:04 <@riker> k2 you here? 21:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] lominare (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 216 points, T:714, killed by an uninjured invisible wererat 21:05 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 21:05 <@riker> hm, nevermind. was going to ask you if you could snag a copy of my save for me to debug after the run finishes but it seems good now 21:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:37887 21:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Glasya, on T:38374 21:10 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 21:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Daemon, on T:38665 21:16 -!- nobyk has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:16 -!- nobyk has joined #hardfought 21:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 2321 points, T:1144, rt[0:07:06], wc[0:07:59], killed by a wounded wolf 21:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Arc Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 21:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:39545 21:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Arc Hum Fem Law), 41 points, T:138, rt[0:00:34], wc[0:00:35], killed by a nearly deceased sewer rat 21:19 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 21:22 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 21:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:40049 21:25 <@riker> hey k2 i retract my retraction, found a different bug! 21:28 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 21:39 [hdf-us] [slex] beastly (Che Vam Mal Law), 6892 points, T:2228, killed by a monster (invisible Ms. Upernavik, the shopkeeper) 21:41 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3329 21:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Curate, on T:16987 21:43 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 21:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:42143 21:48 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4349 21:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1094 21:49 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 21:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Famine, on T:42457 21:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "holy ring of polymorph control", on T:1469 21:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:42517 21:53 [hdf-us] [slex] beastly (Sym Vam Mal Law), 313 points, T:469, killed by a monster (battle-scarred veteran) 21:54 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:1718 21:55 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 21:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Death, on T:42702 21:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) averted death, on T:42730 21:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:42736 21:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the Lugribossk of Ilsensine, on T:42762 21:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) averted death, on T:42786 21:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Maanzecorian, on T:42789 22:01 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:18577 22:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18578 22:04 <@riker> !tell k2 when you get a chance, mind grabbing a save of my dnethack game under "lynnwashere" on hdf us? 22:04 No worries, @riker, I've got this! 22:05 <@riker> !tell k2 to clarify - there's a funky lighting/secret door/monster vision thingy going on in sanctum, it's parked on astral right now so if it's possible to make a copy to poke at once I finish it then that'd be sick 22:05 I'm on it, @riker. 22:05 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1511 points, T:2499, rt[0:09:11], wc[0:09:44], killed by a killer bee 22:05 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 22:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) entered the Planes, on T:49272 22:09 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2096, rt[0:05:17] 22:12 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:10151 22:14 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 22:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] lynnwashere (Ana And Fem Neu), 4927515 points, T:43533, ascended, but the future refused to change https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lynnwashere/dnethack/dumplog/1615236388.dnh.txt 22:15 . 22:15 K2: Message from @riker at 2021-03-08 22:04 EST: when you get a chance, mind grabbing a save of my dnethack game under "lynnwashere" on hdf us? 22:15 K2: Message from @riker at 2021-03-08 22:05 EST: to clarify - there's a funky lighting/secret door/monster vision thingy going on in sanctum, it's parked on astral right now so if it's possible to make a copy to poke at once I finish it then that'd be sick 22:15 congrats @riker 22:15 <@riker> wait a minute? i offered my annulus like a good gynoid?? 22:15 <{Demo}2> riker, what sanctum? 22:15 <@riker> ? 22:15 <{Demo}2> you are parked on astral, doesn't entering planes still destroy all the levels? 22:15 <@riker> wtf does it? I feel like it doesn't? 22:16 <@riker> i guess i'll find out momentarily 22:16 <{Demo}2> it does in vanilla and it did in 3.15 but maybe it got disabled recently? 22:16 <@riker> I annuled the altar & everything wtf happened with that msg 22:16 @riker sent you a pm on discord 22:16 goin to bed, gnite all 22:17 -!- dmikemiller has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:17 <@riker> cya k2 22:21 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2183 22:26 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4957, rt[0:20:23] 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 18241 points, T:9838, killed by a death ray 22:30 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 22:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6662, rt[0:28:39] 22:37 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:38 -!- dmikemiller has joined #hardfought 22:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) destroyed Death, on T:49707 22:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:19463 22:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:1696 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:1895 22:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2251 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:19750 22:50 -!- bort13 has joined #hardfought 22:50 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 22:50 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (kornbluth.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 22:50 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 22:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) destroyed Pestilence, on T:49768 22:52 -!- werekitten has joined #hardfought 22:52 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9365, rt[0:47:02] 22:52 -!- Andrio- has joined #hardfought 22:52 -!- misha has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 22:52 -!- werekitten is now known as misha 22:52 -!- honu_ has joined #hardfought 22:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non), 12430735 points, T:49787, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/KrO2/dnethack/dumplog/1614662454.dnh.txt 22:54 GG! 22:54 -!- [{Demo}]_ has joined #hardfought 22:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4509 22:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:52568 22:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:55 -!- dexap has joined #hardfought 22:55 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v dexap] by ChanServ 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:52569 22:57 What up, Evil paxed 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4327 22:57 Oh, still at it? @Deathsushi 22:57 Best of luck! 22:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4433 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4732 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4734 22:59 -!- dtype has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- Borto has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- honu has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- Merlek has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- war has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- microla has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- microlance has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- bhaak has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- Andrio has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- paxed has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- [{Demo}] has quit [*.net *.split] 22:59 -!- microla has joined #hardfought 22:59 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 23:00 -!- bhaak has joined #hardfought 23:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v bhaak] by ChanServ 23:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Adeon (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 27642 points, T:10317, rt[0:54:17], wc[0:54:19], killed by a wounded giant spider 23:01 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 23:01 -!- Merlek has joined #hardfought 23:03 <@deathsushi> Umbire: Still going! 23:03 <@deathsushi> First run with a rogue — figure this one will ascend 23:03 You'd better or I'll find you 23:03 Come to your house and knock over your lawn gnomes 23:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Val Dwa Fem Law), 15233 points, T:5310, quit 23:04 <@deathsushi> You wouldn't dare touch Prickly Pete! 23:05 I would >:c 23:05 So ascend that rogue! 23:05 <3 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:20957 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:21179 23:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:52882 23:13 Ooh, bones that late? 23:13 What killed 'em? 23:13 <@deathsushi> Damn 23:13 <@deathsushi> Damn 23:13 <@deathsushi> I swear this is the third ghost of nabru's I've killed 23:13 <@deathsushi> killed by a vampire lord while paralyzed by a monster 23:13 <@deathsushi> He is STACKED 23:14 <@deathsushi> Hard to create a stash here 23:15 <@deathsushi> Orb of Fate 23:15 <@deathsushi> Etc. 23:15 You'll have to bury it most likely 23:15 And even then RIP all the organic and leather shit 23:15 Or you could just wish for a chest and lock it 5Head 23:15 <@deathsushi> RIP it? 23:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:21813 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:14379 23:25 <@deathsushi> Do objects inside a bones files BoH havew a chance of becoming cursed? 23:25 <@deathsushi> bcoming -> being 23:25 -!- dmikemiller has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 23:28 No 23:28 Contents of containers aren't affected by bones files junk 23:28 Of course, looting a cursed BOH can and will yeet them permanently 23:30 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:21987 23:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] SamG (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6538 points, T:7079, killed by a slightly wounded invisible stalker 23:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:22108 23:38 o fuck 23:38 giant shoggoth in mines 23:43 that's a 9 on the yikes meter 23:46 <@deathsushi> Right, but if I cancel the BOH, then everything else is golden — is that right/ 23:47 Yeah, cancelling the BOH just sets it to uncursed 23:48 contents aren't affected 23:48 on the other hand 23:48 d - a baseball bat named Bat from Hell 23:48 ya win some, ya lose some 23:48 Make sure you've gotten everything else you want out of the pile though 23:48 moon-child: sick 23:48 FUCK 23:48 I forgot which level the giant shoggoth was on 23:49 and it one-shotted me as soon as I went down the stairs 23:49 F 23:49 <@deathsushi> Before.. what? 23:49 <@deathsushi> Umbire: Before I do what? 23:49 Before you zap cancellation at the bag 23:49 Or at least get the stuff you want out of the bag's path 23:50 <@deathsushi> Oh right, I brought the bag downstairs and moved everything off it 23:50 <@deathsushi> Then zapped it 23:50 <@deathsushi> Sweet, 0:0 WoW 23:51 <@deathsushi> Hot deal 23:51 Rechargeable 23:51 pog 23:51 <@deathsushi> Big pog 23:52 <@deathsushi> Non-dumb-tweets-pog 23:52 [hdf-us] [slex] RohoDragon (Val Dwa Fem Law), 123251 points, T:10362, killed by a monster (stinking alien) 23:52 <@deathsushi> Jinkies, nabru was stacked. This must have been a gutting death 23:54 !lastgame nabru 23:54 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1615246639.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1605872855.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 23:54 Thoughtn ot 23:54 Worth a shot 23:54 * Umbire digs into userdata 23:54 <@deathsushi> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1614991228.nh.html 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6433 23:55 How'd you track that down again? 23:56 -!- slackerwacker11 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]