00:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4511 00:01 @deathsushi if the helm is +0, it wont auto-ID if its brilliance 00:03 <@deathsushi> Oh really? I thought helm of brillinace always provided a boost to int 00:03 If it's enchanted, yes 00:03 <@deathsushi> Ahhhhhh 00:03 Ofc you won't notice a +0 Int boost :B 00:03 <@deathsushi> Unlike gauntlets of power, for eg, that always boost to 25 00:03 Correct 00:03 <@deathsushi> Well thanks for nothing you stupid brilliant helmet 00:03 <@deathsushi> Okay, great, that makes sense now. Thank you. 00:04 Though gauntlets of dexterity also function the same 00:04 <@deathsushi> I THOUGHT I WAS TAKING CRAZY PILLS 00:04 In that they increase dexterity by the gloves' enchantment 00:04 So your helmet's perfectly fine, you just need enchant armor for it if you plan to make use of it for long 00:04 Did you know if you trip over your own feet just right you can try and bend your own big toe backwards? 00:05 It may not surprise you to learn that this _fucking hurts_ 00:05 <@deathsushi> Did you roll succesfully for this attempt, Pinkbeast? 00:05 <@deathsushi> Umbire: Not much use of this helm as a rogue, really 00:06 Depends on how casty you feel like getting 00:06 Pretty sure this was a critical fumble, subclass hilarious (for other people) 00:06 A spellcasting rogue is worth considering down the line 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 694 points, T:5039, killed by an uninjured rothe, while reading a book 00:11 <@deathsushi> Pinkbeast: got yourself a pair of snakeeyes on that roll 00:11 I forget if they're Wis casters or Int though 00:11 <@deathsushi> Umbire: I didn't realize they varied 00:12 Easy to miss really! 00:12 And in a lot of cases (e.g., Valk/Barb/Samurai) you're not exactly thinking of casting most times anyway 00:13 At least not in "ideal" scenarios 00:13 Shades of the Tick. "I know, I'll bounce off that flagpole and flip to safety." *snap* "I know, I'll bounce off that broad flat surface and be in a _lot of pain_." 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:8888 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:10535 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 473 points, T:2043, killed by an uninjured small mimic 00:25 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:6640 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:9241 00:27 [hdf-us] [slex] RohoDragon (Bar Dwa Mal Neu), 4224 points, T:891, poisoned by a rotted growing claw hulk corpse 00:31 delayed follow-up Deathsushi, but that's why the helm was changed to increase both INT and WIS 00:31 <@deathsushi> Ah, to accomodate the fact that it's not as good when unenchanted? 00:31 so that it could be more viable for aspiring casters 00:31 who'd get fucked out of the bonus otherwise 00:31 it used to be just INT 00:32 But there's wisdom-based casters like the Priest and I think the healer? 00:33 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 00:33 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law), 18880 points, T:6686, killed by a wounded Green-elf 00:38 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1946 points, T:6587, killed by a wolf, while fainted from lack of food 00:38 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Bar Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:11637 00:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:27371 00:51 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 00:53 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3197 00:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3416 00:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3416 00:56 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3681 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler, on T:27820 01:01 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3939 01:05 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4515 01:07 -!- tungtn has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:08 -!- khoR has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 172 points, T:699, killed by a dwarf 01:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law), 3661 points, T:5413, killed by an uninjured rothe 01:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:29 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:53 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 01:58 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:17 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 02:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 7036 points, T:4129, poisoned by a vampire bat 02:28 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 745 points, T:994, killed by an uninjured killer bee 02:45 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:45 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 02:45 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:46 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:53 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 02:53 [hdf-us] [slex] RohoDragon (Bar Dwa Mal Neu), 28188 points, T:4556, dissolved in molten lava 03:00 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible lacca's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:7512 03:01 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:10 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a queen ant, on T:7976 03:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:20 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Pri Hum Mal Law), 747 points, T:2476, killed by a bolt of cold 03:22 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 15516 points, T:8974, killed by an invisible baby red dragon 03:33 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 3386 points, T:5778, killed by an ape 03:35 [hdf-us] [slex] RohoDragon (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) killed Nightshade, Farmer Maggot's cousin, on T:1459 03:39 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:39 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 03:39 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2616 points, T:2624, killed by an uninjured pony, while praying 03:50 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1195 points, T:2136, killed by a dwarf, while praying 03:56 @luxidream how does eota let you skip sokoban levels? i thought it only put you at the top of soko if you've actually been to the top, otherwise it'll branchport you to the bottom 03:56 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:57 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 04:01 it teleports to random location on furthest floor you got to I think 04:01 someone opened an issue on github about it 04:03 hm i suppose you could still skip puzzles by repeatedly branchporting in and out 04:04 yeah 04:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:28973 04:39 -!- khoR has joined #hardfought 04:39 -!- tungtn has joined #hardfought 04:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v tungtn] by ChanServ 04:56 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4093 05:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4265 05:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:4285 05:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4411 points, T:5108, killed by a wounded little dog 06:01 -!- beastlyfido has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:12 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 420 points, T:1021, killed by an uninjured dwarf 06:21 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Fem Law), 247 points, T:675, killed by a wounded gnome lord 06:29 * Tangles finds 9x5 hardware store w/ 3 magic lamps 06:29 * Tangles gets killed by a large mimic 06:30 not even deep enough to leave bones. 06:32 F 06:33 rip 06:41 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 06:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:50 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1869 points, T:2008, killed by an uninjured Green-elf 07:05 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 07:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:09 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:51750 07:11 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 07:17 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:30 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 07:38 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Sam Hum Fem Law), 7404 points, T:4356, killed by a barely wounded ettin mummy 07:51 morning 07:52 afternoon 07:53 mornin' 07:53 heh 07:56 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 992 points, T:901, rt[0:03:30], wc[0:03:31], killed by an uninjured gnome, while frozen by a potion 07:56 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 439 points, T:1194, killed by a boulder 07:56 a boulder 07:57 ffs 07:57 You got boulder'd. 07:59 nerf boulders 07:59 :P 08:03 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Orc Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:956, rt[0:04:19] 08:03 <@Rehord> morning 08:04 o/ 08:04 I'm full of mourning, for Tangles 08:05 relevant boulder https://nhqdb.alt.org/?787 08:06 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Bar Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1233 08:06 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 1366 points, T:1245, killed by an uninjured gnome lord, while praying 08:06 !lastgame Tangles 08:06 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1534858827.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/slex/dumplog/1523968901.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack/dumplog/1614949032.nh.html 08:10 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2254, rt[0:11:24] 08:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:52435 08:15 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Orc Fem Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:3310, rt[0:16:09] 08:15 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:3427, rt[0:16:33] 08:16 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3471, rt[0:17:18] 08:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Fem Law), 1794 points, T:1272, killed by brainlessness 08:18 brainlessness on T:1272 08:18 I probably should have actually tried to survive that, given that amnesia is not really a thing anymore. 08:19 !lastgame 08:19 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/antigulp/setseed/dumplog/1614949000.seed.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nethack/dumplog/1614944382.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack/dumplog/1614949660.nh.html 08:19 :| 08:19 rip 08:22 [hdf-us] [spl] Jilvane (Arc Inf Fem Cha), 260 points, T:880, killed by a shotgun shell 08:23 amnesia can still suck depending on role... 08:25 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 492 points, T:673, killed by an uninjured gnome zombie 08:27 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 24078 points, T:5154, rt[0:28:33], wc[0:28:34], killed by a wounded Elvenking 08:28 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 08:29 lol just had to kick a chest 27 times to break its lock. 08:30 That might be a record for me. 08:35 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 08:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1133 08:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 1888 points, T:2532, killed by a gnome 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:84892 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1428 points, T:1754, killed by an uninjured hill orc, while frozen by a monster's gaze 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3371 08:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 801 points, T:2089, killed by a homunculus, while sleeping 08:54 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1288 points, T:1259, killed by a wand 08:54 you hear a distant zap. the wand hits you. you die. 08:55 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2668, rt[0:14:10] 08:55 <{Demo}2> struck out 08:56 :| 08:57 YASI: baseball, but the bat is a wand and when you hit the ball with it it fires a ray in whatever direction it's pointing 08:59 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3549, rt[0:18:10] 08:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Cav Hum Mal Law), 186 points, T:689, killed by a wounded small mimic 09:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3120 09:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1919 points, T:3351, killed by a wounded rothe 09:10 [hdf-us] [seed] antigulp (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5014, rt[0:29:44] 09:11 wow sub 30 09:11 I'm gonna get destroyed 09:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 518 points, T:1375, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 09:15 how will that work then, do you have a set amount of time and you can try as often as you like, or will the first successful try be counted 09:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:46549 09:17 <@luxidream> Everyone starts at the same time 09:17 <@luxidream> I split when you finish a role 09:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 226 points, T:906, killed by a boulder 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:40714 09:23 does everyone move on at that point? 09:23 also I'm guessing we have to do them in order then 09:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:52641 09:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1921 09:27 <@luxidream> Yeah you have to do them in order 09:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Arc Dwa Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:1933 09:27 <{Demo}2> arcs start with speed so it should be easy :) 09:27 <{Demo}2> can you play any race? 09:27 <@luxidream> You move on when you finish one 09:28 <@luxidream> Yes any race/alignment 09:28 <{Demo}2> do gnome arc 09:28 <{Demo}2> to flex 09:28 <@luxidream> Like I said yesterday 09:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1222 09:28 <@luxidream> The biggest flex would be to play wiz 09:29 <@luxidream> Then complete quest for eota 09:29 <@luxidream> Then skip soko with it 09:29 <{Demo}2> lmao 09:29 if I even manage the valk and monk, guessing I wouldn't be allowed to just do another monk :P 09:30 !lastgame Tangles 09:30 joes: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1534858827.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/slex/dumplog/1523968901.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack/dumplog/1614953610.nh.html 09:30 <@luxidream> Needs to be a different role 09:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 825 points, T:1803, killed by a kitten, while sleeping 09:32 if i could choose the role i'd probably try with gno or dwa arc as i suggested yesterday 09:32 gotta yolo it a bit more 09:32 @luxidream who's participating so far in the next race? 09:32 <@luxidream> high risk high reward 09:32 going down fast, way up might be more annoying 09:33 maybe read cursed or confused tele to make a bit of ay 09:33 way 09:33 when in mines end 09:33 <@luxidream> bouquet, amateurhour, antigulp, dmikemiller on reddit 09:33 imagine not ordering them alphabetically 09:33 clear favouritism 09:34 biased referee 09:34 <@luxidream> You just like the fact that your name comes first alphabetically 09:34 had phone interview with hr person this morning, 5 hours later they call back already inviting me for technical interview round ;o 09:34 I really enjoyed the commented stream :) 09:34 <@luxidream> oo good luck aoei 09:35 good kid b.a.a.d speedrun 09:35 <@luxidream> Thanks joes 09:35 well that doesn't fit 09:35 aoei: auf Deutsch? 09:35 i assume it will be a great speedrun 09:35 <@luxidream> I may have someone else on with me this time 09:35 gogo aoei 09:35 <@luxidream> 4 games is a bit hard to keep up with 09:35 is it tone? 09:36 yeah, conversation could work nicely 09:37 <@luxidream> No I haven’t asked him, he gives great commentary though 09:37 <@luxidream> Way better than me 09:38 you keep selling yourself short 09:38 your commentary is gr8 09:39 well is there anyone else who is experienced enough to be able to do ti? 09:39 maybe adeon? 09:40 Pinkbeast: lol we spoke german a little in teh beginning and then switched to english 09:40 BTW, for anyone who missed it earlier, did you know if you trip over your own feet just right you can try and bend your own big toe backwards? 09:40 It may not surprise you to learn that this _fucking hurts_ 09:41 :( 09:41 !booze Pinkbeast 09:41 * Beholder delivers Pinkbeast a barrel of grappa, prayed over by Izchak at 133 degrees Fahrenheit. 09:43 Actually I dug up the stub end of the stack of para-codeine pills from a friend who had brain cancer and didn't die (codeine is OTC here but not at this strength) and my toe now aches slightly and I feel happy and content 09:43 But thanks. ;-) 09:44 <{Demo}2> i fucked my toe up really hard a couple months ago 09:44 <{Demo}2> slammed my foot really hard into a chair leg and it went between my pinky and index toe 09:44 why did you choose to do that Demo? doesn't seem like a smart idea 09:45 <{Demo}2> whole zone of that foot was purple/black for a few weeks 09:45 amateurhour: RL just loves these bullshit typo movement injuries 09:45 Why didn't it just say "bend your toe in half? [ny]" 09:45 typical interface screw 09:45 Maybe it did and I was moving northwest 09:46 <{Demo}2> my solution to the pain was to bitch about it a little bit and then be like fuck it, toes were made to be abused 09:46 <{Demo}2> and then it got better 09:46 <{Demo}2> but like i couldnt even curl those toes and if i tried to it felt realllly weird 09:46 <{Demo}2> and hurt 09:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 876 points, T:2240, killed by an uninjured kitten 09:47 <{Demo}2> hurt to walk on that foot that day and the day after but by the second day i either got used to it or it quit being as bad, idk 09:48 <@princessSpicycat> congrats aoei! 09:48 <{Demo}2> im pretty sure toes were designed to be pretty abusable and it be alright 09:48 thx spicy. gotta get myself prepared for the technical shits by tuesday and try not to suck 09:49 so I want to try seeded mode, what's the config option? 09:49 OPTIONS=seed:aasdfsomething 09:50 alright 09:50 we will soon switch to base64 encoded seeds, but that still allows a-z, A-Z, / and + in the seed, plus optional padding chars ('=') 09:51 [hdf-eu] [seed] joes (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: rodney] 09:56 [hdf-eu] [seed] joes (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 538 points, T:507, rt[0:04:53], wc[0:05:17], killed by an uninjured bat 09:59 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 10:03 YANI: easter eggs as a separate comestible item. Brightly colored, and highly nutritious and low-weight to incentivize hunting for them. They generate rarely (quite rarely; you might only generate 1-3 per game) in various "hidden" places such as in chests, beneath sinks (it's unrevealed until you step onto the sink), in trees and can be dislodged by kicking, in closets, vaults, maze dead ends, etc. 10:05 <@princessSpicycat> finally, magenta-quality food 10:05 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of leather yugake entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:378 10:06 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 10:07 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 10:08 [hdf-us] [slex] RohoDragon (Bar Dwa Mal Neu), 9968 points, T:4853, escaped 10:09 <{Demo}2> use eggs, but corpsenm -2 :) 10:09 <{Demo}2> (-1 is monsterless egg) 10:10 <{Demo}2> keep overloading the shit out of it and clusterfucking the game further 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:32084 10:10 <@luxidream> someone will add easter eggs to the ascension kit article 10:11 <@luxidream> saying that they are a necessary comestible to avoid dying to famine etc 10:12 yeah Demo we need more out of bounds accesses 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:32120 10:12 <{Demo}2> luxi you should help me ghost write epic strategy edits 10:13 <{Demo}2> where we come up with really dumb shit, but not so dumb it gets reverted 10:13 <{Demo}2> just to prove a point 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1913 10:15 <@luxidream> hmm 10:15 <@luxidream> i mean mbm's edits to the priest page were there for months 10:16 <@luxidream> so I don't know if there's a bottom limit to how dumb it needs to be to stay on the wiki 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed joes' ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:2056 10:16 <@luxidream> just need to make sure mods are asleep 10:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:5066 10:17 mods are asleep post 50iq strats? 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 87 points, T:235, killed by a bolt of fire, while dressing up 10:19 <{Demo}2> yeah i dont actually want to go to the effort of making the wiki worse 10:19 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:19 <{Demo}2> that sounds horrible 10:20 <{Demo}2> like, editing the wiki is boring dumb work, and doing it for a net negative sounds really stupid 10:20 one man's trash is another man's treasure 10:20 <@luxidream> I'm trying to think of dumb but funny ideas that might pass for real advice 10:20 this has reminded me that apparently mbm has continued to update the priest quest dark days thread and I should go read it 10:20 <@luxidream> aosdict: he never posted the download link, I am sad 10:20 @luxidream I think there's a page for advice like that 10:21 <{Demo}2> if i swallow a wraith as a purple worm do i always get the xp gain? 10:21 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 10:21 did anyone ever try out my xorn conflict quick castle strat 10:21 oh yeah, it's https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/dat/rumors.fal 10:21 <{Demo}2> can i purple worm poly in votd and use it to get xlvl 14 ez? 10:22 <{Demo}2> ok, so here's how we take an alright idea and turn it into a DUMB idea 10:22 the classic dumb idea is IDing bag of holding by putting it into another bag of holding 10:23 <@luxidream> mbm has a fight with 3 demogorgons for a +20 mace in his "variant" 10:23 <@luxidream> I really wanted to see that 10:23 'if your weapon is destroyed, just read scroll of punishment for iron ball' 10:23 +20 mace like bat of hell? 10:23 <@princessSpicycat> {Demo}2: you could make a page on your personal namespace with bad advice. some of it OC, some of it we can just lift from bad advice that used to be on the wiki 10:23 bat from hell 10:23 <{Demo}2> "do not kill wraiths until you have a form of polymorph and poly control so you can turn into a lurker above and swallow them whole for guaranteed XP gain, instead of chancing it with killing them and hoping for a corpse that gives it to you. wraiths are speed 12 so instead of killing them, run away and don't return until you can swallow them" 10:23 <@luxidream> demo: that sounds real 10:23 seriously I'm gonna mine your bad strategy advice for so many false rumors 10:24 <@princessSpicycat> actually, i bet you could just create a page on chrisANG's namespace? there's lots of pages there, no one will notice 10:24 lol 10:24 <@princessSpicycat> and that'll give it the mark of legitimacy 10:24 <@luxidream> make one on your userpage demo and I'll help 10:24 'You can easily identify all your belongings by killing yourself, read the dumplog and then find your bones again' 10:24 <@luxidream> actually true? 10:25 <@princessSpicycat> call it xXxtremely high-IQ tactixXx 10:25 well the strategy should be true, right 10:25 but 'kill yourself' is probably not the best advice 10:25 <@luxidream> demo's strategy is totally false 10:25 <@luxidream> you can't eat wraiths as a worm 10:25 <@luxidream> and gain levels 10:25 oh? 10:25 <@luxidream> I guess both are fine 10:25 <@princessSpicycat> you're right stenno, throwing things upwards takes too long. better to fight a priest 10:25 nah made up ones are boring 10:26 a strategy i actually used for quite some time was putting on a ring in a temple, then checking for the message if 'the priest wields their mace' 10:26 <@luxidream> there's one I had on the "virgin valk vs chad arc" meme 10:26 never kill a wraith under any circumstance, always have another monster kill it via conflict 10:26 <@luxidream> archaeologists can id loadstones easily 10:26 i vaguely seem to remember that priests now start with their weapon wielded, but not sure about that 10:27 <@princessSpicycat> stenno1 did it ever get you killed? 10:27 i splatted a demirobin game with above strategy 10:27 yes... 10:27 <{Demo}2> it's ok if its totally false 10:27 didn't take into account that priests actually leave their 1-tile radius around the altar 10:27 <@princessSpicycat> omg, on a robin no less 10:27 <{Demo}2> the fact that it relies on a premise that doesn't work makes it even better 10:27 <@princessSpicycat> that's gold 10:28 <{Demo}2> and more realisitic 10:28 <{Demo}2> like the juibilex strat 10:28 demirobin was the ultra elite robin with like 80% asc ratio 10:28 <@Rehord> Average Valk Fan vs Average Monk Enjoyer 10:28 and private password and stuff 10:28 what spicy things would that have in it Rehord? 10:28 -!- luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 10:28 [hdf-us] [slex] owen (Nuc And Mal Neu), 302 points, T:611, killed by a shotgun shell 10:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:2338 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Pillager, on T:2342 10:29 <@princessSpicycat> the sketchy thing about those chad memes, is that some people don't see it as parody, they really think chadness is something to live up to... 10:29 'increase your speed by levitating, then throwing things in the other direction' 10:29 <@luxidream> levitation is a good substitute for gauntlets of power because it sets your carrying capacity to 1000 10:30 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:30 <@princessSpicycat> it's important to never wear a ring or boot of levitation alone, because they can be destroyed or stolen. never venture over water until you have both. 10:30 <@luxidream> lycanthropy resistance is an essential part of any ascension kit 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:32473 10:31 <@luxidream> monsters that cast destroy armor can helpfully remove cursed armor 10:31 <{Demo}2> luxi, you aren't doing it right 10:31 <@princessSpicycat> oh yeah, lycanthropy is a game ender, so a strong wish is 2 or 3 sprigs of wolfsbane 10:31 oh we are at false advice nwo? 10:31 <{Demo}2> first of all, those are too short, you need more useless details 10:32 like false rumors 10:32 <@Rehord> Nevee forget to make Sting and Orcrist to take them off sac lists 10:32 <{Demo}2> second of all, you have to take those and apply them to a contrived situation 10:32 <{Demo}2> and tell people to get into it 10:32 before taking on Vlad be sure to get lycanthropy. This gives you intrinsic drain resistance, allowing you to easily take him out with no levels lost 10:32 <@luxidream> OK how about this 10:32 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:32 <{Demo}2> also need to be dogmatic as hell 10:32 <@luxidream> amateurhour that's brilliant 10:32 'You will get a wish if you donate exactly 666666 zorkmids to a chaotic priest' 10:32 <@luxidream> I'm doing that on my next speedrun 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 4 points, T:168, killed by an uninjured jackal 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:32502 10:33 <{Demo}2> yall aint got the finesse to be the next mbm 10:33 Finding a potion shop on dungeon level 2 is an indicator of getting orctown 10:34 <{Demo}2> thats not a strategy 10:35 <@Rehord> If you don't bring money to gehennom the demon princes will let you through free of charge 10:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) destroyed dbanethacker's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:6505 10:35 [hdf-us] [slshm] owen (Fla Dro Mal Cha), 301 points, T:537, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:36 Chatting to death has a 1/100 chance of taming him, helping you greatly on the astral planes 10:36 <@luxidream> Along with magic resistance and reflection, lycanthropy resistance is critical for ascension. Since a hasted werewolf is 16 speed, it's possible that a werewolf gets 2 or more moves when attacking you. Werewolves can also team up with gelatinous cubes to infect you with lycanthropy while you are paralyzed. This can be especially dangerous on the Astral Plane. Many players wish for additional holy water to reduce the risk, however, it's often 10:36 better to wish for Werebane if you have any artifact wishes left. 10:36 i am not creative 10:36 wait the drain res thing is actually real?? what 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 576 points, T:1164, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 10:37 haha yeah stupid wishes 10:37 If you have no food, letting the Wizard of Yendor double-trouble will give twice the chance of getting an edible corpse. 10:37 stenno1: yours are a better candidate for false rumors than the other stuff 10:37 haha yes aosdict 10:37 <{Demo}2> ok see that's a lot better 10:37 the other stuff is a bit too meta 10:37 amateurhour: I confirmed it in wizard mode but... what?? 10:37 yep, hahahaha 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:32570 10:38 <{Demo}2> a "real" strat in dnh is to actually use lycanthropy and protection from shape shifters for free drain res/ weldproof 10:38 <@luxidream> aosdict: you can use it for drain resistance but you have to hit "no" to the polymorph control prompt all the time 10:38 To get a feature into SLEX, argue vigorously at Amy that it's a terrible, unworkable, cruel idea. 10:39 In Moloch's sanctum, you will be attacked by a lot of dangerous monsters, therefore speed is key. Experienced players tend to save a wish for a wand of secret door detection to find the entrance to the temple. 10:40 <@luxidream> if you put that in the nethackwiki 10 years ago everyone would believe that now 10:40 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4427 10:41 <@Rehord> Alternatively, tell amy it will be fleecy 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4481 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a conical hat on an altar, on T:4562 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 737 points, T:832, killed by a wounded giant spider 10:44 Throwing unidentified gems at cross-aligned unicorns is a somewhat reliable way to increase your Luck 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Necromancer, on T:32588 10:47 If you are low on money, you can write high-level spellbooks to sell them in shops for a profit 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Wizard, on T:32591 10:47 -!- joes has quit [Quit: leaving] 10:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 13262 points, T:7690, killed by an ettin mummy, while fainted from lack of food 10:50 A creative and profitable way to increase your zorkmid balance is buying a low-level spellbook from a shop, blanking it, then write a high-level spellbook with a magic marker and sell it back to the shopkeeper 10:50 could probably be expressed better 10:50 <{Demo}2> use it for protection racket 10:50 <{Demo}2> early game 10:50 <{Demo}2> if you get a minetown wish 10:50 stenno1: heh I have to reduce these to rumor length 10:51 {Demo}2: oh yeah 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2050380 points, T:32598, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/nethack/dumplog/1614492176.nh.html 10:51 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Luxidream/Truly_elite_strategies 10:51 please contribute 10:52 stenno: here's the rumor version of your advice: "Make a quick buck by writing a bunch of advanced spellbooks and selling them. Easy money!" 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4074 10:53 <{Demo}2> they lose all the nuance when you shorten them 10:53 well that's fine, there's not that much room for nuance because I'm not writing this for a wiki strategy guide audience 10:53 Wizards starting with a magic marker have a head start for the protection racket strategy. They can simply blank their starting spellbooks, and then write a high-level spellbook like finger of death (wizard have an increased chance to write unknown spellbooks). Those books can then be sold to a shopkeeper for up to 350 zorkmids. 10:54 Wizards starting with a magic marker have a head start for the protection racket strategy. They can simply blank their starting spellbooks, and then write a high-level spellbook like finger of death (wizard have an increased chance of successfully writing unknown spellbooks). Those books can then be sold to a shopkeeper for up to 350 zorkmids. 10:54 ^ now that's top tier bad strategy advice 10:54 <@luxidream> put that on the page please 10:54 ok 10:55 can one of you masterfully ham up the lycanthropy drain resist one and add it? 10:55 I would, but alas, my medical grade laziness prevents me from making a wiki account 10:55 <@luxidream> ham it up here and I will paste it in 10:55 hove do i say 'head start' without using the word 'start' 10:56 oh i guess i could add ref links 10:58 -!- Xjs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:59 -!- slackerwacker11 has joined #hardfought 11:00 After the buff to Vlad in 3.6 many players struggle with the mandatory fight. Sufficiently experienced players will therefore opt to get lycanthropy before engaging Vlad. This grants the player intrinsic drain resistance, making the fight possible without losing any precious experience levels. 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:5534 11:00 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 11:01 continuing to read mbm's priest quest updates 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:3814 11:01 sure, when I find a dl1 or dl2 altar, I feel the power of my INCREDIBLY EXTREME!!! advantage 11:02 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1525 points, T:2322, killed by a little dog, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:02 -!- zhakupov has joined #hardfought 11:03 <@luxidream> aosdict can you help him with github so we can get this legendary variant released to the public 11:03 -!- luxidream2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03 I really wish bilious wrapped long lines 11:04 hah 11:04 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:4768 11:04 according to mccauley math (tm), dl1 altar + [MR or reflection] = guaranteed castle = guaranteed win 11:05 I mean, he is not wrong 11:05 yes, let me run the numbers on the win rate of wizards who finds a dl1 altar... 11:05 if you are tariru 11:05 If valkyries struggle with reaching XL14, just genocide H before entering the quest. The generated titans will award a lot of XP 11:07 imma advisify that 11:08 does that actually generate titans on home? 11:08 I only got titans on locate and goal when I try that 11:08 oh i see because you can't geno titans. that's pretty smart 11:08 hmm 11:08 y 11:09 luxidream: i assume you can generate them by reading create monster? 11:09 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Pri Hum Mal Law), 409 points, T:2637, killed by a pony 11:09 cursed create monster 11:09 thats an even better worse advise 11:09 I mean it'll still largely be ants, unless you also geno a 11:10 well then! 11:10 ^ more bad advice can come from that 11:10 yeah 11:10 "Valkyries should genocide a, so that they encounter more giants on their quest for extra strength." 11:10 *should genocide a before doing/entering the quest 11:10 i like casting create monster on in the inside of the priest quest portal. you can eat infinite wraiths/get crazy PW/maxhp 11:11 yeah I'm not getting any titans on home 11:11 aw 11:11 not even with cursed create monster? 11:11 with a and H genocided? 11:11 oh wait cursed create monster makes them 11:11 but initial level gen doesn't seem to 11:11 ok good 11:12 [hdf-us] [un] owen (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 2773 points, T:2365, killed by a plains centaur 11:12 perfect 11:12 uh oh my game froze because an ant burned my stack of MAXINT scrolls 11:12 more mccauley math (tm): "let me outline two scenarios, one where a player has pretty bad luck in terms of things generating, the other where a player has excellent luck. The difference in difficulty is completely extreme!" 11:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:18428 11:12 no duh 11:12