00:00 iunno if taming is ONE of those scenarios 00:00 that is player style MR which is entirely separate 00:01 I don't think there are any effects in the game that are influenced by both stats, unless you count things like negating magic missile damage vs. "resists!" and taking half damage 00:03 I know it's separate, aosdict, what I don't know is if "player" MR factors in taming 00:04 no 00:04 <@luxidream> it doesn't 00:04 okay, thnak you 00:04 thank* 00:04 there are no effects in the game that are directly influenced by both stats 00:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given the Fluorite Octahedron, on T:18535 00:05 [hdf-us] [evil] Bot (Wiz Gia Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:87687 00:05 remind me to try and charm monster the next gray D I see 00:05 because I think I developed the habit of not bothering for some reason 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:93382 00:16 * Umbire hums something from The Wizard of Oz 00:21 <@luxidream> !who 00:21 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Deathsushi [nh370] KrO2 [dnh] beastly [slex] Bot [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:23 <@deathsushi> Is the time to genocide mimics before I get to orcus town? 00:23 <@deathsushi> Is it too late once I've arrived? 00:24 <@ChrisANG> It's too late once you've arrived, yeah. 00:25 Correct 00:25 <@luxidream> Don't genocide mimics 00:25 It's not something you really *have* to do anyway unless you're particularly worried about loot selection from the shops 00:27 <@deathsushi> I have genocide scrolls sitting around 00:28 <@deathsushi> There's not much left to use them on, other than ; once I get to plane of water 00:28 <@deathsushi> L 00:28 <@deathsushi> 's and h's are all gone 00:28 Best saved for those scenarios, then 00:30 Or scenario, I was typing that before you finished 00:30 <@deathsushi> Right 00:33 luxidream, i've never understood that.. what on earth does one lack at Orcus anyway 00:33 granted i overprepare always 00:34 but it's still just a handful of items, right? 00:35 <@deathsushi> I have yet to find a magic whistle, but it's mostly moot at this point 00:35 <@deathsushi> What else do I need my magic marker for at this point in the agme? 00:35 <@deathsushi> I have genocide, I have FoD, I have polymorph 00:35 <@deathsushi> Is there any reason not to top up my armor with some enchant armor scrolls? 00:36 it takes time 00:36 maybe you would rather win the game if you are already on good AC 00:36 but depends on if you care for such things 00:36 <@luxidream> there's a dlvl% for mimics 00:36 <@luxidream> so you don't even get a full shop's worth of items 00:36 there might be things at orcus that are still convenient even if they don't help you win 00:36 like let's say you have a favorite pet you've brought along all this way 00:36 and you don't have magic whistle 00:37 maybe orcus has one 00:37 or just lamps 00:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:39 <@luxidream> most of the time I would rather have the scroll of genocide over the random garbage you can get there 00:39 It comes down to packrat-ism to a certain degree 00:39 But there's also cases where the game's RNG has been absolutely dogshit towards you 00:40 yes you should save extra genocides 00:40 (though that in turn begs the question of actually getting down there safely) 00:40 they are emergency item 00:40 in general it's good to delay using stuff until late 00:40 err mostly I think this applies to things like wand of wishing 00:40 think we're all in agreement re: geno scrolls 00:40 I only use wishes I need at that time to feel safe 00:41 in sushi's case most I can think of is like, gold detection for the Planes 00:41 ...but that's for the planes 00:52 <@luxidream> !who 00:52 @luxidream: [hdf-us] No current players | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:52 I like how people said the Minecraft channel was dead after only about 6 years, whereas this game was first released in 19-freaking-87 and still going strong. 00:55 minecraft is top 1 or top 2 video games of all time in terms of sales 00:55 I don't think it's going to die any time soon 00:55 the channel adeon 00:55 the channel 00:55 which 00:55 * Umbire checks 00:55 oh channel 00:55 okay nevermind 00:55 <@luxidream> nethack needs new players 00:55 which channel would that be 00:55 freenode? 00:56 <@luxidream> being extremely inaccessible doesn't help with that 00:56 I am happy some community still exists for nethack 00:56 -!- dmikemiller has joined #hardfought 00:56 maybe has long tail 00:56 but I do think nethack is declining 00:56 just slowly 00:57 ircs://irc.esper.net/minecraft 00:57 Not so much the one on freenode though. 00:58 a lot of people on that channel 00:58 I shall idle on it 00:58 I play minecraft quite a bit 00:58 I think it's great 00:58 Indeed 00:58 in my friend group we installed a custom map 00:58 some very impressive group or individuals handcrafted a very large map 00:59 http://hecatia.trankesbel.com:8111/#/370/64/1266/-8/World/normalrender_1 00:59 that's a map software I installed for my friend group where we play to look at the map 01:00 and originally I got the idea from a reddit post where the author(s?) of that map promoted it 01:00 https://old.reddit.com/r/gaming/comments/jyr0ms/my_massive_12km_x_12km_minecraft/ 01:00 it's some great fun 01:01 I look at the map and think "who the hell has time to do all this for no compensation?" 01:01 I've played the map now 01:01 whoever made it must have spent huge amounts of efforts on it 01:02 mm... :o 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:12578 01:04 pretty sure everyone has the same amount of time 01:04 1 second per second 01:05 That's a ratio, not time. 01:05 uh 01:05 every passing second begs to differ 01:06 time just can't be defined without reference to time 01:06 t. doesn't believe in 4 corner days 01:06 educated stupid! 01:07 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 01:07 are you another non-finn using t. ? 01:07 it boggles my mind 01:09 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 01:11 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:14 Ye 01:14 It's been a meme for a while now methinks 01:14 all right.. 4chan i assume 01:14 Unfortunately. 01:15 Granted I'dve likely ended up using it anyway since borrowing slang/loanwords is a thing I do occasionally 01:15 messing with words is inherent fun for me 01:15 it's a compact notation with no suitable English equivalent 01:16 People would probably be rightfully spooked by the chan associations and I genuinely hate that 01:16 like I promise you I just like mishmashing language 01:17 <@luxidream> i watched the documentary on time cube 01:17 <@luxidream> it was kinda sad 01:17 i didn't mean nothin' by it.. 4chan is not all /pol/ 01:17 I know you didn't 01:17 just speaking generally 01:18 luxidream, was the attention not good for the guy? 01:20 i rather like the templeOS guy more 01:21 <@luxidream> he had a young admirer in his 20s who wanted to be his disciple 01:22 who doesn't though 01:22 <@luxidream> he committed suicide not long after gene ray denounced him 01:22 damn 01:23 gene ray died too, right? 01:23 or am i misremembering 01:24 <@luxidream> yeah, he died a few years ago, and the timecube domain expired 01:25 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 01:26 -!- tommo has quit [Client Quit] 01:28 :/ 01:28 <@luxidream> the templeos story was also quite sad 01:29 <@luxidream> as the creator slowly succumbed to mental illness 01:29 <@luxidream> I don't know if every crackpot has a sad story in there somewhere, but those two did at least 01:29 he didn't seem to be angry or cruel like ray though 01:32 i don't know what term is used now but it used to be called disorganized schizophrenia, and the prognosis is very poor 01:33 gene ray had idiosyncratic thinking and word salad output and templeos guy desperately sought divine guidance from RNGs 01:34 philip k. dick describes it in many of his novels 01:35 <@luxidream> !rng sleep like a functional human being | procrastinate | stay up and do work 01:35 @luxidream: sleep like a functional human being 01:36 !rng eat and sleep | eat and buy beer | buy beer and sleep | buy beer and drink | eat and drink beer you bought 01:36 Muad: buy beer and drink 01:36 i am bound to obey 01:39 <@luxidream> !rng continue to seek divine guidance from beholder | do what you want anyway | do the opposite of what you think you desire 01:39 @luxidream: do what you want anyway 01:39 <@luxidream> wise 01:39 the moment when the coin is in the air 01:40 !coin 01:40 !rng heads | tails 01:40 Muad: tails 01:40 yess! 01:41 helps a lot not having assigned any decision to either half 01:45 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Fem Law), 2240 points, T:5675, killed by a hill orc 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:13796 01:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 Grayswandir", on T:13797 01:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed wand of cancellation", on T:13798 01:49 ...that's a bit of an odd wish 01:49 If they're looking for water/blank scroll production and haven't snagged a wand yet a few dips in the moat'll do it 01:55 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 225 points, T:872, killed by a giant rat 01:56 !asc efw 01:56 Muad: [hdf-us] efw has not ascended in 28 games. 01:56 hm 01:57 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "silver saber", on T:1545 02:16 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3147 points, T:3571, killed by a soldier ant 02:17 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:17 -!- mobileuser has quit [Client Quit] 02:18 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "3 blessed potion of gain level", on T:14217 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Traveler, on T:14219 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 T-Shirt", on T:14220 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:14221 02:23 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:28 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 02:32 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping an uncursed rusty +1 long sword on an altar, on T:3245 02:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Fem Non), 30 points, T:294, killed by a jackal 02:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Mal Non), 68 points, T:69, killed by a black pudding 02:46 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 02:46 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:50 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] tkirkby (Mon Hlf Fem Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1486 02:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2051 03:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Fem Non), 10274 points, T:2472, killed by a malkuth sephirah 03:03 -!- amateurhour has 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Amulet of Yendor, on T:65140 03:33 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 03:34 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Wizard, on T:65213 03:35 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Mage, on T:65219 03:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Mal Non), 18 points, T:290, killed by a grid bug, while praying 03:38 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:38 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 03:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:41 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Fem Non), 58 points, T:70, killed by a water moccasin 03:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:65302 03:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Cav Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1160 03:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Mal Non), 202 points, T:518, killed by a water moccasin 03:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Fem Non), 77 points, T:193, killed by a grid bug 03:45 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Mal Non), 26 points, T:190, killed by a small dart 03:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:65441 03:50 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:65499 03:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Mal Non), 378 points, T:729, killed by a gnome lord zombie 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:65504 03:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:15511 04:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2471 04:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 4586728 points, T:65728, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1614464469.nh.html 04:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3252 04:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3279 04:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3449 04:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3589 04:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping an elven mithril-coat on an altar, on T:3595 04:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "holy fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3598 04:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Spammailer90 (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3081 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Spammailer90 (Val Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3255 04:22 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Dop Fem Neu), 587 points, T:1417, killed by an arrow 04:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4487 04:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "holy polymorph control", on T:5603 04:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:5607 04:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5775 04:42 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:43 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 04:46 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8363 04:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:8510 04:52 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 04:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:9074 04:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:9149 04:56 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 558 points, T:2520, died of starvation 04:59 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:05 -!- Xjs has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:08 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 05:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 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seconds] 05:27 <@luxidream> !lastgame Stella 05:27 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/setseed/dumplog/1614535650.seed.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1614766764.nh.html 05:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1420 05:36 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 05:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "holy +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1606 05:41 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:43 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 05:43 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 324 points, T:732, killed by a gas spore's explosion 05:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3385 06:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4945 06:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7236 06:20 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:16046 06:25 !coffee 06:25 * Beholder pours nabru a cup of cafe latte, acquired by NotTheOracle\dnt at -17 degrees Celsius. 06:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3469 06:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3734 06:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3978 06:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3995 06:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 983 points, T:3847, killed by a giant spider 06:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9475 06:37 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed the ghost of davez, the former Skirmisher, on T:2832 06:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:10030 06:46 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:18284 06:51 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 06:59 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 82813 points, T:11639, quit 07:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2830 points, T:3003, killed by a wounded gnome lady 07:10 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 07:11 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:16 <@nabru> !lastgame stella 07:16 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/setseed/dumplog/1614535650.seed.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1614767231.nh.html 07:20 game was ok but i was playing too slow 07:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4314 07:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1243 07:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4322 points, T:5455, killed by a wounded watch captain 07:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2418 07:40 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 308 points, T:755, killed by an Elvenking 07:40 with the new fort ludios placement on Medusa, it looks like only 1 in 150 games doesn't have fort ludios now in unnethack 07:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 2962 points, T:5534, killed by a wounded gnome lady 07:45 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 07:46 nice 07:49 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 07:49 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 2209 points, T:2665, killed by a killer bee 07:50 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 07:55 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:58 bhaak: is it so difficult to make the portal actually guaranteed? 07:58 stenno4: Message from @luxidream at 2021-02-22 18:06 EST: this message will reach you when you are using this distant alt and also a millionaire 07:58 wut lol 07:58 yeah VPN shenanigans 08:00 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Merlek (Val Hum Fem Law), 2767 points, T:3523, killed by a giant spider 08:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5480 08:03 stenno4: the problem is that the portal for fort ludios is to be placed in a 1x1 vault and that can not be forced with the current map generator. in vanilla you have also that it doesn't use every vault (unnethack takes every opportunity). that leads to ~75% of games having the portal in vanilla and 92% of games in unnethack 5 08:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Bin Orc Mal Non), 155562 points, T:24052, killed by Mr. Htargcm, the shopkeeper 08:04 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 08:04 and now in unnethack 6, there's an interference with the portal to the black market which can be on medusa. that explains the tiny % of games with not fort ludios. the portal placement code can't deal with multiple portals on one level (even though the data structure do, see the valley of the dead) 08:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:07 bhaak: i see, blep 08:07 bhaak: so i assume you changed medusa layout in the .des file to make space for a vault? 08:08 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:09 stenno: it didn't take much. only 1 or 2 floor tiles for the code to find a suitable location 08:09 nice 08:10 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 08:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:7937 08:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7956 08:15 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 08:17 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 108288 points, T:21895, killed by a death ray 08:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:23500 08:34 morning 08:35 <{Demo}2> morning k2 08:35 <{Demo}2> mad at the sun 08:35 beholder doesn't like you any more 08:35 <{Demo}2> this morning it was perfectly in my eyes in my bed 08:36 <{Demo}2> so I couldn't even sleep all the way 08:36 no curtains? 08:36 <{Demo}2> nope 08:36 we have potions for that 08:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Bin Vam Mal Non) completed Sokoban, on T:13996 08:36 and wands, and traps 08:36 here, take these scales to cover your eyes 08:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given Premium Heart, on T:1544 08:36 <{Demo}2> I might just sleep upside down if it happens again 08:37 poly into a vampire bat 08:37 <{Demo}2> seems easier than a curtain but also it seems wrong to sleep in a way I can't see the door 08:38 <{Demo}2> or maybe I just get a new curtain 08:38 <{Demo}2> but that sounds like too "right" of a solution 08:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "3 cursed gain level", on T:10314 08:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 83149 points, T:10325, killed by an uninjured couatl 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 436 points, T:964, killed by a nearly deceased dwarf 08:42 I'm having color problems in that pools are too dark. I can't seem to change them. I think it's a 256 color term problem. Does anyone have any suggestions? 08:42 depends on your terminal software 08:42 gnome xterm 08:42 only solution would be changing the color palette of your terminal 08:43 err, gnome terminal 08:43 I set it to all red with no efect. 08:43 effect even 08:44 I can change the fg and bg but I can't changet the colors, this does not happen locally, only over ssh to here. 08:45 Considering turning 256 off but I'd rather find a solution that doesn't require that. 08:45 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 08:46 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law), 10792 points, T:8851, killed by a forest centaur, while praying 08:48 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1716 points, T:1169, killed by a nearly deceased gnome 08:52 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:24530 08:52 you can play nethack in neovim lol https://0x0.st/-Po4.png 08:54 normal vim too I'm sure 08:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 756 points, T:1848, killed by a wounded giant bat 08:55 I like vim, and that's kinda cool, but no. 08:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given the Fluorite Octahedron, on T:6436 08:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Sam Hlf Fem Law), 2342 points, T:1273, killed by a gigantic pseudodragon 08:56 !tell LarienTelrunya There is a snow here. 08:56 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, amateurhour. 08:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:1115 09:01 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:24756 09:01 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1635 09:04 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 09:05 [hdf-us] [spl] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3906 09:05 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2550 09:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2044 09:11 <{Demo}2> im done with winter storms now 09:11 <{Demo}2> after 2 back to back ice storms 09:11 <{Demo}2> if i see another one, im calling the climate change cops and making them make it go away 09:12 <{Demo}2> i will be burning so much fossil fuel or something to make it warmer so i dont have to deal with this if it happen again 09:12 <{Demo}2> although i mind find im living in a swamp if it gets any warmer and wetter 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3155 09:15 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3181 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3213 09:17 [hdf-us] [spl] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2563 points, T:4597, slaughtered by a yeti 09:20 !lastgame 0xdeadfed 09:20 tsingi: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/0/0xdeadfed/nethack/dumplog/1614663631.nh.html 09:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:4208 09:23 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed the ghost of smzp, the former Pillager, on T:1668 09:24 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Oona, on T:25733 09:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] RohoDragon (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 4739 points, T:4676, killed by a giant spider 09:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) had a copper throwing spear entrusted to him by Camaxtli, on T:43121 09:25 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2055 points, T:1938, killed by a dwarf zombie 09:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) had a mace entrusted to her by Hermes, on T:30016 09:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:29 when picking up a scroll of scare monster 09:30 I no longer get the opportunity to name it when it turns to dust. 09:30 did you already name it something? 09:30 No. This is not the first time. 09:30 3.7.0-hdf 09:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] RohoDragon (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 42 points, T:278, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse 09:31 I mean is the scroll type in discoveries already with some kind of name? maybe price named it in a shop 09:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4716 09:34 amateurhour, looking in discoveries, it auto-named. OK, that mystery solved. You used to have to name it. I haven't been in a shop. 09:35 huh it autoids now? that's pretty cool 09:36 Works for me. 09:37 It kind of assumes you're spoiled, but who isn't. 09:37 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:26551 09:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:5451 09:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given the Shield of the Resolute Heart, on T:13163 09:38 still a little weird, in discoveries it's a scroll called scare monster, not a scroll of scare monster. 09:38 I swear I din't name it. 09:38 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 09:39 OK, table this for now. 09:40 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:26862 09:40 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Merlek (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 7540 points, T:5326, quit 09:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:5792 09:41 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5850 09:44 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 352 points, T:834, killed by a falling rock 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 518 points, T:2075, killed by an uninjured giant ant 09:45 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:27250 09:46 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 09:46 trying to get a gnome healer to the minetown altar. followed cat into hole, went down a 5 level shaft. 09:46 I got shafted! 09:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:31463 09:48 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 09:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] RohoDragon (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 252 points, T:1006, killed by a wand 09:52 heh 09:52 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:53 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:53 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 31125 points, T:7975, quit 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Mog, on T:5556 09:59 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 09:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a hell hound pup, on T:5615 10:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] lacca (Hea Hob Fem Neu), 119499 points, T:32348, killed by an invisible shambling horror, while paralyzed by a monster 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed spontiff's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:5832 10:04 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Mage, on T:47242 10:07 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha), 1022 points, T:1854, killed by Ms. Aklavik, the shopkeeper 10:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] RohoDragon (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 656 points, T:1408, killed by a wand 10:17 -!- aoei_ has joined #hardfought 10:17 -!- aoei_ has left #hardfought 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1354 10:20 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 10:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given Fire Brand, on T:14557 10:23 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:28 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 10:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] RohoDragon (Bar Hum Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:1115 10:33 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) became the Glory of Eequor, on T:29503 10:34 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 10:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:15001 10:44 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:50 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Lady of Pain, on T:31784 10:53 K2: Can you tell me what $TERM is set to on the server? hardfought.org if that matters. 10:53 xterm-256color 10:54 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "2 cursed potions of unholy water", on T:31864 10:54 you can probs pass your own over ssh if you think that'd help 10:54 OK, weird, trying to brighten pools, can't see them as well as I'd like to. Not working. 10:54 can't remember how you do it, some setting in your ssh config file to expose it 10:55 limitations of your terminal need to be taken into account as well 10:55 I tried that with a cl arg. I'll look into taht, thanks. 10:55 -!- loli has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 10:56 gnome terminal, my TERM is xterm-256color as well. 10:57 -!- slackerwacker11 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25625 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:25627 11:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 11:02 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed the Nightmare, on T:32545 11:03 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:03 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:32603 11:04 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:32649 11:05 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:32758 11:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:32865 11:06 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 218 points, T:443, killed by a magic missile 11:06 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 11:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) killed Garland, on T:32978 11:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] malor (Mon Hlf Mal Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:32997 11:09 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 11:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:17139 11:11 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] RohoDragon (Bar Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:679 11:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] RohoDragon (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 190 points, T:726, killed by a wand 11:16 <@luxidream> !who 11:16 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Som [dnh] KrO2 [dnh] arnibald [dnh] kelvin [fh] beastly [slex] RohoDragon [xnh] ucbvax [slshm] hothraxxa [evil] dbanethacker [evil] | [hdf-eu] Stella [nh370] Singhend [un] Merlek [slex] amateurhour [slex] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:16 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Asu Mal Law) obtained the Sokoban prize, on T:16341 11:19 tsingi: you're using gnome-terminal and changing the colors in your profile preferences is not doing the trick? 11:19 as far as I know, the only variants that actually override what you have set are the nh4 ones 11:23 aosdict, that is correct. Laptop died and I'm using a tiny screen. So the font is tiny. Don't want to give up real estate. Need a new monitor, 11:23 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:24 aosdict, nh4, you mean my config? 11:24 the nethack4 variants 11:24 nethack4, fourk, fiqhack, maybe dynahack 11:24 <{Demo}2> hope ur eyes work 11:24 had em fixed, they work. 11:24 so if you're not playing one of those then your color prefs shouldn't be overridden 11:25 <{Demo}2> when my eyes break i dont think there gonna break in the way u can get fixed :( 11:25 yes, but they aren't. Running new Fedora 33 install as well, might be something there, don't know. 11:26