00:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:3386 00:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3913 00:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:5600 00:15 The spiked wand glows violently, then turns to dust. 00:15 You are not going to get anywhere trying to write in the dust with your dust. 00:15 :c 00:16 :c 00:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6524 00:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:6559 00:17 <@luxidream> wow? 00:18 <@luxidream> oh you cancelled yourself 00:18 it was polypiled 00:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:6622 00:18 i did lol 00:18 ohhh 00:18 i see how this could make for a bad combo 00:19 <@luxidream> i saw "uncursed +0 excalibur" and I knew something was fishy 00:19 ye ^^; 00:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +5 silver dragon scale mail", on T:6842 00:23 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of conflict", on T:7714, rt[1:03:38] 00:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:7165 00:24 turns out i had one in open inventory T_T 00:24 So, why am I not able to jump out of this lava? 00:24 I just end up back in the same space again each time 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:9370 00:26 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 6593 points, T:9371, killed by a wolf 00:27 <@luxidream> seems to reset the lava timer neko-chan 00:27 <@luxidream> doesn't actually move you out of the lava though 00:27 well that's really weird 00:28 Isn't that an old bug? 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:67617 00:29 Or 00:29 no I'm thinking of another time-related lava bug 00:29 <@luxidream> Neko-chan: I see polymorph control, so you could become a salamander 00:30 <@luxidream> if you were looking for an out 00:30 Oh ok, yeah, polyself 00:30 Umbire: yeah I think you're thinking of another, older bug 00:30 Yeah 00:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8855 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a salamander, on T:47317 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:47385 00:35 What's a good plane of water polyself? it's my first day 00:36 <@luxidream> better to wait it out unless you have an oilskin sack 00:36 oh never mind that was easy lmao 00:36 <@luxidream> lucky 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:47407 00:36 <@luxidream> 🍀 00:39 * Umbire prays 00:39 -!- telegarn has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:39 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:48747 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased figurine of a ki-rin named Daniel the Tame Horse", on T:47431 00:40 <@luxidream> daniel the angry horse 00:45 I want this horse so bad 00:46 The invisible Daniel the Tame Horse casts a spell at you! Oh no, it's using the touch of death! Lucky for you, it didn't work! 00:46 Package not as described!! zero stars!!! 00:48 Horse is a little too angry 00:48 What happen 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Paladin, on T:47466 00:50 o: 00:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:9466, rt[1:29:01] 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:47499 00:54 -!- Lurchy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap (5 times), on T:47549 00:57 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) averted death (poisoned by a little dart), on T:4840 00:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Dresser, on T:14416 00:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:14629 01:00 No need for a light source on the Planes, right? 01:01 Editing an article atm 01:02 <@luxidream> no 01:02 <@luxidream> you want a light source 01:02 <@luxidream> it's dark 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap (10 times), on T:47629 01:02 <@luxidream> on astral at least 01:02 <@luxidream> you don't need a light source for anything else 01:03 guess I can fix that bit on the article then 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:47690 01:06 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 65396 points, T:10000, [1:48:59], killed by a slightly wounded captain, while dressing up 01:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1245 points, T:1445, killed by a wolf 01:06 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 01:06 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 131 points, T:243, killed by a sewer rat 01:07 <@deathsushi> Is the general consensus that once I have a ring of teleport control, it's worth gaining teleportitis? 01:07 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 111 points, T:197, killed by a fox 01:07 <@deathsushi> I also have a ring of free action and conflict 01:07 <@deathsushi> So I'm thinking I don't want to give either of those up? 01:08 All 3 are good rings to have, yes 01:08 I prefer to have intrinsic teleport control but the ring is a p. good source 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:34741 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:47706 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful soldier ant, on T:47706 01:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful giant ant, on T:47710 01:09 <@luxidream> teleportitis is fine 01:10 ^ 01:10 Forgot to answer the original question 6_9 01:10 I usually wait for a confirmed source of control before I go for it though 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful fire ant, on T:47718 01:11 No, team a! 01:11 ;A; 01:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:17272 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3212658 points, T:47727, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nekochan/nethack/dumplog/1608605967.nh.html 01:13 [hdf-us] [slex] quark (Jan Esp Mal Law), 12250 points, T:24, killed by a monster (ufo called Flying Saucer) 01:14 GG! 01:14 Thanks! Riding is fun 01:15 How many is that for you? o: 01:15 <@luxidream> 🥳 01:17 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1386 points, T:1830, killed by a Green-elf 01:18 I think that's my third or fourth vanilla one 01:18 but my first non wizard vanilla character 01:20 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 01:21 :/ 01:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:19525 01:24 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:24 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 01:27 <@deathsushi> If I get a wand of wishing that has 0:1 01:27 <@deathsushi> Does that mean that it will only recharge to 1:3? 01:27 <@deathsushi> er, 1:1 01:28 <@deathsushi> * 01:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:4037 01:29 It'll usually recharge to 1:3 01:30 Recent changes backlog taken care of on the wiki, that's good 01:30 <@deathsushi> Ah, especially if I use blessed charging 01:30 <@deathsushi> Okay 01:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Medica ossium, on T:21069 01:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Master Kaen, on T:36298 01:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36303 01:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4425 01:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed the orb of fate", on T:21622 01:43 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Fem Cha) killed the ghost of smzp, the former Pillager, on T:3763 01:45 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 2693 points, T:4181, killed by a hill orc 01:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:31915 01:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:22117 01:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22135 02:00 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 02:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:25770 02:22 [hdf-au] [gh] PeachMuffin (Pri Elf Mal Law), 536 points, T:1272, poisoned by a rotted rock piercer corpse 02:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:27089 02:36 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:27118 02:37 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 842 points, T:2010, killed by a homunculus, while frozen by a monster's gaze 02:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:27148 02:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 boots of speed", on T:27270 02:41 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 979 points, T:1653, killed by a rothe 02:42 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 112 points, T:349, killed by a falling rock 02:44 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 50 points, T:343, killed by a goblin 02:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of flying", on T:27290 02:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed fixed scrolls of genocide", on T:27487 02:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:27488 02:54 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:54 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 02:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 234 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:28265 02:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:28295 02:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 123 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:28533 03:03 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:03 aosdict: the first unnethack wasn't really influenced by NAO. only in such a way as both used the same popular patches which didn't originate with NAO. so I wouldn't draw a line from nao to unnethack. 03:06 aosdict: afterwards (as with the other variants that were current then), it was a lot of co-development. bugfixes would flow to and fro, NAO getting utf8graphics from unnethack, unnethack getting the 'C' menu from NAO. but overall, it's still very few code from NAO in unnethack. the changelog mentions it 6 times, the git log only 23 times. 03:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:29313 03:09 [hdf-au] [seed] pityhero (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 03:11 aosdict: the NAO codebase wasn't always clean as it had to maintain save and bones compatibility back then and if you didn't have to, you could implement a feature with less effort (IIRC un.nethack.nu was the first public server which had multiple versions of the same game installed and started a save game with the matching binary. 03:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:32607 03:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:30969 03:21 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 03:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31394 03:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:31442 03:27 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:30 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 03:31 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:33 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:33 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 03:33 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31947 03:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31950 03:34 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 03:35 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:32151 03:38 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 03:39 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:40 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 03:43 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 03:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:32481 03:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:32484 03:43 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:47 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 03:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:33603 03:50 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:34142 03:53 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 03:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:34350 03:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:34375 03:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by uninjured Famine), on T:34412 03:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:34474 03:58 !who 03:58 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh370] | [hdf-eu] microlance [nh370] elenmirie [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 03:58 !whereis microlance 03:58 bug_sniper: [hdf-eu] microlance [nh370]: (Hea Hum Fem Neu) T:34350 The Elemental Planes level: -4 (with Amulet) 03:58 that could be done better than -4 03:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:34537 04:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) put Death down for a little nap (5 times), on T:34575 04:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 1969494 points, T:34596, ascended 04:03 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/nethack/dumplog/1614574441.nh.html 04:03 congrats, microlance 04:08 fucking death, man. i think he drained me of almost 100hp 04:09 grats 04:09 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 04:09 demigoddesses don't need hitpoints 04:12 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 04:16 gratz microlance 04:19 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:21 ty, but i wanted a healer to be my representation under realtime speedrun on nethackscoreboard. so better do more healers! 04:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:36684 04:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:36707 04:23 lol 04:24 i think i need hats of opp align and orb of fate is the wrong arti wish, if i get one. it should be platinum card 04:28 and i should wear a robe, a lvl 15 healer can probably cast magic mapping with some 20% chance of success or so with one 04:30 I think with no metal armour on and a robe you need 20 wisdom to cast it with 83% fail 04:30 using this calculator http://nethack.gridbug.de/spells.html 04:32 25% on clairvoyance tho, with 18 wis. thats okay 04:32 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 04:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Sorceress, on T:37034 04:39 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:40 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 04:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:22297 04:45 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 04:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:37246 04:49 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:02 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:20 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 05:20 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 05:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) had a large shield entrusted to him by Camaxtli, on T:22732 05:28 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 05:35 -!- microlance has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:39 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 05:43 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 05:45 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 05:45 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 05:48 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 05:50 !who 05:50 aoei: [hdf-us] ucbvax [slshm] | [hdf-eu] Merlek [nh370] Singhend [un] | [hdf-au] No current players 05:51 gg microla 05:55 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 06:15 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 06:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Campos (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 68054 points, T:12475, quit 06:24 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1069 06:24 !PoM 06:24 APic: The moon is full for 1 more day. 06:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:1146 06:27 <@nabru> !coffee 06:27 * Beholder throws @nabru a cup of espresso, decanted by demogorgon at 34 degrees Celsius. 06:32 > the level flipping (dynamically transposing the layout horizontally or vertically or both) in 3.7 will never be changed to exclude Sokoban if I have anything to say about it, and unfortunately for folks who want Sokoban to be excluded, I do. 06:32 Pat why :( 06:33 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3133 06:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1916 points, T:3365, killed by an uninjured jaguar 06:45 sorry ladies, that bachelor is now unavailable 06:48 amateurhour: where's that from? 06:49 the quote is pat_rankin on the nethack subreddit 06:49 hmm didn't see that 06:49 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/ltw57y/looking_for_some_nethack_racers_next_week_to/ 06:50 -!- APic has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:51 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 06:51 thanks. ah, there. didn't look long enough 06:51 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2559 06:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2041 06:54 huh, that came a bit out of nowhere? 06:54 haha a little bit 06:57 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 06:57 good morning 06:57 hey qt 06:58 hi aoei 06:58 greetings q3 06:58 hows it goin 06:58 fine, wbu 07:01 im ok im thinking about how to symmetrically interconvert data between 32 full 8-bit bytes to a longer string only using a restricted data set 07:01 and then i remembered base64 encoding exists 07:01 that's probably what i want 07:02 restrict byte set i guess i meant 07:08 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5690 points, T:7182, killed by a mumak 07:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:4521 07:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Kni Hum Mal Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3750 07:17 Merlek: how's your dnh game going? 07:19 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4349 07:24 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 07:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:4842 07:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 29 points, T:252, killed by a falling rock 07:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 425 points, T:1878, killed by an uninjured little dog 07:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 60 points, T:265, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 07:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:2740 07:44 -!- spleen 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large majority of the playerbase) 08:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4339 08:00 I'd rather have more soko puzzles really 08:00 I would like to know why Pat feels so strongly about keeping it 08:01 i think it upsets people only because they get betrayed by muscle memory 08:01 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 08:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 08:01 more levels would mitigate that, even with spoilers, but as i keep saying, it is not hard to learn how to solve any sokoban 08:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4812 08:03 I play a lot of soko puzzles in slex, and generally like sokoban, but those flipped levels are irritating rather than enjoyable - i wouldn't mind I think if there were new levels that were flipped 08:03 one reason it's good to put the development build in a publicly accessible place is to gauge player feedback about the upcoming stuff 08:04 in the case of flipped sokoban it is overwhelmingly negative 08:05 <@Tone> I don't think having more sokoban puzzles is a great thing for nethack honestly. I can see the argument for it but also puzzles are a big departure from why a lot of people play nethack, and sokoban is already heavily criticized for it. 08:05 <@Tone> I think sokoban currently has an interesting balance of being a unique branch and giving the player another "task" to do alongside normal dungeon tasks like combat and resource management (which is what I personally like about it) while not turning a part of sokoban nethack into a mini game that doesn't haven't easily memorable or lookupable solutions 08:05 Keep in mind the Sokoban Unpopularity Law: no matter what, any change to sokoban will be disliked by a majority of the nethack player base 08:05 we've had some good suggestions before for replacement sokoban puzzles, just a small matter of finding someone willing to try make them 08:06 <@Tone> Players will often have negative reactions to generally good changes, I don't think devs should cater to the players in all cases 08:06 like ice sliding puzzles similar to those in pokemon for example was one interesting one 08:06 <@Tone> Look at that vocal majority opinion of the 3.6.0 Elbereth changes 08:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7519 points, T:5535, killed by a wounded white unicorn 08:08 amateurhour: sokoban unpopularity law. less than half of people will like it 08:09 driven by the fact that a large chunk of players just want sokoban to stay solved and muscle-memory-compatible so they can get through with it, in this case 08:09 @Tone but the 3.6.0 Elbereth changes *did* suck 08:10 it was eventually reworked again into being more sensible 08:10 in 3.6.0, it might as well not exist 08:10 due to how stuck monsters behave 08:10 <@Tone> Fair point FIQ, but I think the reaction would have been similar to the current Elbereth mechanic personally 08:11 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 08:11 <@Tone> Perhaps that was a bad example, point is players complain about everything 08:11 I have no issues with current E. What I did take issue with was that it made anything other than permanent E basically useless. I also don't really like the idea of a burned engraving smudging, but that's mostly an argument of flavour more than anything 08:13 Engraved E was... a lot weaker, but still useful. Dust E was actually nearly useless except against a single monster in an open area. 08:13 in 3.6.0, non-permanent E smudgeas as soon as it affects something. Stuck monsters don't go away right away, so dust-E was all but useless since it'd scare a monster, and then it would promptly hit you again since the E was now gone 08:13 and yeah, burned E didn't make too much sense 08:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9274 08:15 aosdict: wrt fiqhack releases, maybe I should just do a yearly release like my wiki changelog kinda applies, and version them according to year or something 08:15 *kinda implies 08:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2567 08:22 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3218 points, T:2923, killed by a wounded hallucinogen-distorted watch captain 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:8401 08:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 blessed fixed scrolls of charging", on T:3072 08:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3074 08:40 slex has most of the variants' soko puzzles in, so I've done most of them now 08:40 and my least favourite ones are the 'evil 2a' variants jonadab created, and the 'XII' puzzle 08:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3226 08:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3239 08:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Grue, on T:50572 08:41 can't remember where that XII one originated but it's tricky 08:42 oh it was karadoc 08:43 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 08:43 there's 12 boulders on a stack, and you have to push them around the level, before then solving the puzzle you made 08:44 i remember that one. the problem i had was not understanding at first how to unstack the boulders properly 08:45 i am not as afraid as most to break boulders or read a scroll of earth. i don't think the luck penalty is a problem, and in fourk there isn't one anyway 08:46 The Pickaxe of Shame 08:46 i swing it proudly 08:47 * hothraxxa uses his pickaxe to carve a statue of andrio out of a sokoban boulder 08:48 * hothraxxa smashes the statue, gets a spellbook of shame 08:48 * hothraxxa feels guilty about destroying a historical work 08:48 for that XII one I started pushing the spare boulder into the top right corner 08:49 The voice of Celestira booms, 'You will pay, mortal!' 08:49 Celestria* 08:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4918 08:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed the master key of thievery", on T:5079 08:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:5081 08:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:5091 08:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 180 points, T:386, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 08:55 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 08:58 morning 08:58 happy monday 09:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6435 09:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:6769 09:03 <@nabru> mornin' 09:03 afternoo' 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1132 09:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) stole 1681 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Abitibi's general store, on T:7435 09:09 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 09:11 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:48913 09:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Famine, on T:48927 09:19 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:19 amateurhour: the 'XII' sokoban puzzle really needed a twisted mind to be thought of. luckily nethack draws a lot of those minds 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1574 09:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8416 09:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:25725 09:21 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:49035 09:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:8773 09:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25733 09:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1370 points, T:1526, killed by a wounded gnome 09:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:9281 09:28 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 904 points, T:1544, killed by a gnome lord 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2808 09:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:2813 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:21917 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Seignieur, on T:23245 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Paladin, on T:23254 09:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:11153 09:39 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 09:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:11156 09:40 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1572 points, T:2574, killed by a large kobold, while fainted from lack of food 09:40 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3452 09:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of life saving", on T:11354 09:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 potions of gain level", on T:11356 09:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Enchantress, on T:11357 09:42 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:43 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 09:46 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 414 points, T:1069, killed by a giant mimic 09:46 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:50 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 753 points, T:967, killed by a hobbit 09:55 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 533 points, T:898, killed by a gnome lord 09:55 [hdf-us] [spl] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 302 points, T:941, done in by a water moccasin 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful large dog, on T:4517 09:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Death, on T:49153 09:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:13400 09:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:13401 10:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed the invisible Lugribossk of Ilsensine, on T:49185 10:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:49187 10:04 -!- attie has quit [Quit: Bye] 10:05 hello 10:05 Hello rebatela, Welcome to #hardfought 10:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 14686030 points, T:49280, ascended, having saved the future https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/KrO2/dnethack/dumplog/1597522594.dnh.txt 10:14 congrats KrO2 10:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6368 10:17 congrats! 10:17 gt @ 10:17 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1184 points, T:1843, killed by a gnome 10:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:15376 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1312 10:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:15617 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1120 points, T:1979, killed by an uninjured Woodland-elf, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism by offering an iguana corpse on an altar of Tyr, on T:6832 10:23 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:6968 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Priest, on T:7077 10:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 29758 points, T:6341, burned by molten lava 10:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:16111 10:30 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 10:31 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 10:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:16187 10:31 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7446 10:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 helm of brilliance", on T:16296 10:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:16338 10:37 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 10:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:16618 10:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Sorceress, on T:16765 10:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:16996 10:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:17099 10:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed partly eaten corpse of a cockatrice", on T:17452 10:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:17461 10:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:17471 10:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:17636 10:53 -!- luxidream2 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[nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:18977 11:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:18978 11:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 cursed fixed potions of gain level", on T:20220 11:21 -!- luxidream2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:20832 11:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:20833 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Student of Metals, on T:38450 11:23 <@malor> congratulations KrO2! 11:24 -!- Borto has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:25 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 11:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:28 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 11:28 Hi Amy 11:28 yo Umbire, another promising tour cancelled because colleague didn't show up :( so I only got to do two out of the four trains that were planned for today 11:29 normally I'd still be on a train to our state capital right now 11:29 Amy: F 11:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 11:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased the eye of the aethiopica", on T:2067 11:29 hi aoei-bundlesweetie ♥! 11:30 <@Tone> Level flipping in nethack is probably overall a good thing for the player experience <--- vehemently disagree :P 11:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:21520 11:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:21532 11:31 oh no we agree on something 11:31 amateurhour: shit 11:31 F 11:31 what are you gonna do? 11:32 amateurhour: be happy! it means that the inane level flipping garbage (which is about as useful as a hole in the head or a FFP-2 mask) won't defile slex :P 11:34 also I don't get why 3.60 Elbereth was supposedly worse than 3.61 and onward, I think the reverse is the case, it was fine in 3.60 and then became stupid in 3.61 11:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by the wounded high priest of Ptah), on T:21593 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:39532 11:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 697737 points, T:21601, killed by the wounded high priest of Ptah (with the Amulet), while praying 11:36 doh 11:36 <{Demo}2> rip 11:36 just got keyoxide set up :) 11:37