00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:36594 00:08 [hdf-us] [fh] nelli (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 24420 points, T:6512, killed by a gnome queen 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2239 00:12 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5429 00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1304 points, T:2260, killed by a wand 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] mwrynn (Ran Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4548 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:13394 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 168 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:49467 00:17 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Ran Cen Mal Neu), 1038 points, T:1014, killed by a gnomish wizard 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:49529 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:15848 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] mwrynn (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1580 points, T:4750, killed by a soldier ant 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:49950 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49951 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Wayfarer, on T:16432 00:36 [hdf-eu] [slex] tkirkby (Mam Dev Fem Cha), 300 points, T:39, killed by a cannonball 00:36 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 00:40 Three chests in a row, one sit and vanish in a puff of logic 00:40 I'm being denied my rightful lordship 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "+2 blessed fixed greased helm of opposite alignment", on T:50012 00:43 thrones? 00:43 Usually when chests vanish from sitting it's because you broke them being too heavt 00:43 heavy* 00:46 Oh really? 00:46 Sorry, thrones 00:46 I didn't know that was a fucntion 00:46 So drop the bag of holding before sitting, usually? 00:47 <@luxidream> he's joking 00:47 Ah okay 00:47 I would have bought it! 00:47 :D 00:47 lol yea u gotta be careful making jokes about nethack 00:47 What's the deal with these rooms that are surrounding by a single tile of water/ 00:47 the game is so bizarre 00:47 aoei IT's all valid! 00:47 YES XD 00:47 The developers thought of everything 00:47 never know what mad shiz they gonna come up with next 00:48 <@luxidream> The bolt of fire bounces off the tree! 00:48 Every now and then I come across a room that's surrounded by a moat 00:48 <@luxidream> >: ( 00:50 Anyone know what kind of room this is? 00:50 Or why it gets generated? 00:50 Deathsushi: oh i can tell you 00:50 if you want spoilies 00:50 it's a room with a moat and it's generated to frustrate the player i'd guess :P 00:50 misha mmhmm 00:51 "What's this room that has four walls and four fountains and a chracter in the center?" "It's a room with four fountains and a character int he center" 00:51 you want da spoils or no? 00:51 aoei Yes please — I've never gone in 00:51 Nor seen the need to 00:51 Deathsushi: pretty sure it's a vault 00:51 And don't see a wiki entry for it 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed magic marker", on T:16706 00:51 the fact they can have moats around them is relatively new tho 00:51 Aren't vaults always 4x4? 00:51 a vault as in full of gold? 00:52 that's the oracle, not a vault lol 00:52 Deathsushi: oh is it not 4x4? 00:52 No 00:52 oh yeah that's the oracle 00:52 Oh wait 00:52 i totally misread your message 00:52 lmao 00:52 aoei Yah I know — I'm sarcasming misha 00:52 maybe i was thinking of a different kind of weird watery room? 00:52 aoei I think oyu're right ±— this is a 4x4 room when I remove the water 00:52 Didn't konw they generated surrounded that way 00:52 there is at least one kind that is just ... a room with water in it (and sea creatures) 00:53 and afaict it's there to troll players :< 00:53 Deathsushi: 4x4, 5x5 incl. walls 00:53 6x6 incl. moat? 00:53 that's a vault 00:53 misha: maybe the faux wiztower? 00:53 misha Are you thinking of a swamp? 00:53 aoei 6x6 when ?I include the moat 00:53 I think you're right, I think it's a vault 00:54 Deathsushi: more awkward to rob than your regular moatless vault 00:54 but there's ways to do it 00:56 aoei Not really worth it over here 00:56 Well done Croesus 00:56 You have protected your wealth! 00:56 fair enough lol 00:56 you could come back later if you have a means to teleport or cross water 00:56 there's probably a teleporter that gets you inside somewhere on the level 00:56 so you just need a way to get out 00:57 <@luxidream> oh 00:57 <@luxidream> that's a special new vault in 3.7 00:58 yeah did you not know about these lux 00:58 <@luxidream> it has an undead and 4 chests, and is surrounded by water 00:58 ojhhhh 00:58 i assumed money lmao 00:59 <@luxidream> 4 random chests is mostly garbage 00:59 yeah not worth it 00:59 <@luxidream> :p 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2236 points, T:3573, killed by a wounded dog 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:13623 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:13626 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:13769 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2178 01:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:14556 01:25 tfw no realtime livelog field 01:25 <@luxidream> i guess K2 went to sleep 01:25 i think it's only gonna work on setseed anyway 01:26 vanilla doesn't livelog realtime 01:26 altho it does livelog starttime and eventtime, so you could calculate wallclock with that 01:26 i'm up 01:26 -!- telegarn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:27 but what i've proposed currently is just for setseed 01:29 <@luxidream> ye 01:29 <@luxidream> I anxiously await the update 01:29 <@luxidream> so I can do minetown% like a degenerate 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 60 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:14898 01:30 <@luxidream> not even 69 zorkmids smh my head 01:30 lol 01:31 <@luxidream> wow if you search 69 zorkmids on discord there are a lot of results 01:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5093 01:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Demogorgon, on T:51315 01:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:51321 01:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:15618 01:39 -!- microla has joined #hardfought 01:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3027 01:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:42 -!- microlance has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 01:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:6248 01:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:6261 01:44 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:6309 01:44 -!- microla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2044 01:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:16665 02:10 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2212 02:10 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5236 02:13 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:17360 02:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (mind flayers), on T:5660 02:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:17378 02:17 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:3234 02:17 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3272 02:17 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a glass cubical amulet on an altar, on T:3278 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:17395 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:17398 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 585042 points, T:17398, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/H/HastyGlord/nethack/dumplog/1614459324.nh.html 02:19 gg 02:19 wooot 02:19 gg HastyGlord 02:20 <@910rd> It was my "speed" run 02:20 <@910rd> ty! 02:20 <@luxidream> 🎺 02:20 <@luxidream> time? 02:20 <@910rd> checking scoreboard 02:20 <@luxidream> check xlogfile directly 02:21 <@luxidream> scoreboard only updates like every 5 minutes 02:21 <@910rd> I don't know how 😛 02:22 <@luxidream> https://www.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/nethack/xlogfile-370-hdf 02:22 <@910rd> 3:45 02:22 <@luxidream> ayy 02:22 <@luxidream> not bad! 02:22 <@riker> grats 02:22 <@910rd> Considering my next fastest is 18 hrs, I agree 😛 02:22 <@910rd> *16 02:23 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3451 02:23 <@910rd> ty! 02:23 w000000 02:23 way to go 910rd 02:23 now go submit to speedrun.com 02:23 this instant, young human 02:23 <@luxidream> segmented 02:24 oh rip 02:24 <@luxidream> maybe next one? 😉 02:24 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8166 02:25 <@luxidream> @910rd 3:45 would put you over tommo and elenmirie 02:26 Pog 02:26 https://nethackscoreboard.org/realtime.nh37x.html yep its up there 02:26 <@910rd> 3:45:58 02:27 good work 910rd 02:27 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3847 02:27 <@910rd> ty! yeah severely segmented because I can't contain my excitement 😛 02:27 lol thats fine tho 02:28 i had to get a few runs in with saves before i felt ready to try doing an ascension in one sitting lol 02:29 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:29 u rang 02:29 tommo: u got rekt :c 02:29 <@luxidream> yea u got beat 02:29 condolensces 02:29 <@luxidream> get angry 02:30 <@910rd> why is the 0:52 not on there? 02:30 <@luxidream> https://nethackscoreboard.org/realtime.nh.html 02:30 <@luxidream> it is, the 0:52 is NAO 3.6.6 02:31 910rd one thing I noticed with speedrunning is like, outside of the actual gameplay during-game, you start to displace various strategical considerations and higher thinking to times when you're not playing 02:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:9177 02:31 so to have some fast heuristics you can do on the spot, and more thorough review afterwards instead of idling or saving to ponder your next bit of the game 02:32 <@luxidream> bold of you to assume we have higher thinking 02:32 910rd: yeah i have verison-split sub pages for those 02:32 <@910rd> Yeah, I agree. 02:32 <@910rd> Oh, I see 02:32 LOL luxidream 02:32 speak for yourself but i hae some neurons somewhere in this head of mine 02:33 heck 02:33 <@luxidream> 🖥️ 🐒 02:34 what is that a little phone and a monkey 02:34 <@luxidream> computer and monkey 02:34 same 02:34 looks odd for a computer 02:34 i thought more like iphone or some shit 02:34 <@luxidream> it's "desktop" on discord 02:35 <@luxidream> it looks like a big widescreen monitor 02:35 <@910rd> is SWAGGINZ a TAS run or some haxx? 02:35 <@luxidream> yea that's tas 02:36 it is mega hax TAS 02:36 <@luxidream> it's technically still slow enough to be beatable through shenanigans 02:36 <@luxidream> but you're never gonna see me do it 02:36 910rd: they used an enourmous database of fast lookup tables to back-calculate the NAO seed based on first level map and tourist starting inventory 02:36 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4909 02:37 and from their abuse the RNG and know the entire game state for the rest of the game 02:37 from there* 02:37 there's some writeup somewhere that it explains it properly 02:37 <@luxidream> for reference, all but one minute of that run was spent finding a fountain to pull off the trick 02:38 some of tha time was also finding the seed 02:38 <@910rd> That sounds interesting as heck 02:38 they used a huge database of hash tables to make that bit as fast as possible 02:38 but iirc it still cost a significant portion of the total 02:38 <@luxidream> https://pellsson.github.io/ 02:39 yea thats it 02:39 was an interesting read 02:39 <@luxidream> I wish they took like 15 minutes or something 02:40 they weren't the first to do this sort of thing 02:41 sartak I think did some RNG breaking to find wands of wishing but I think his method was least sophisticated, don't remember details 02:41 I also had rainbow table stuff, for renaming things to artifacts 02:41 pulled out ~150 wishes from a fountain 02:41 wait 02:41 waht? 02:41 how did that RNG hack work? 02:41 <@luxidream> there are still people who think you cheated your 1:03 because of that stunt 😛 02:42 <@luxidream> lmao 02:42 <@luxidream> (it's legitimate of course) 02:42 well 2^32 is not that big of a number so it's not hard to create a big file that just contains what artifact misspell corresponds to which seeds 02:42 I forgot the format exactly 02:42 but I had some tooling 02:42 interhack like thing 02:42 that automated this 02:43 <@910rd> I remember seeing that https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Random_number_generator#Misuse 02:43 the script would do the artifact naming and then consult the rainbow table 02:43 ah yeah there's the dumplog 02:43 https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/Adeon/1236028477.nh343.txt 02:43 142 wishes 02:43 at turn 611 02:43 why does attemping to name an artifact fuck with the RNG tho 02:43 it gives you nice clean information about the RNG's state 02:44 ohhhhh 02:44 if I did this today I would want to do it the most impressive way 02:44 because of hte slip 02:44 no seed finding 02:44 your hand slips 02:44 I'd throw a SAT solver at it 02:44 and you engrave something else 02:44 ok i gotchu now 02:44 for fountain wishing, you would find a fountain that's against a wall 02:44 <@luxidream> are there enough misengravings to determine the state of the rng? 02:44 walking into a wall advances the RNG once, the game calls random() 02:44 even if no turns or anything else happens 02:44 Adeon: that's been fixed now i think? 02:45 so you would compute how many times you have to do that to get a wish and then quaff from the fountain 02:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:9253 02:45 err not sure if the vanilla code has a fix 02:45 NAO patched it 02:45 lux i guess you repeatedly misname, without doing anything else to advance the RNG state 02:45 devnull tournament patched it 02:45 <@luxidream> oh right, it's zero time 02:45 and by doing it enough times the combined mispellings will give you certainty for a particular RNG seed 02:45 you misengrave multiple times 02:45 for the seed finding 02:45 doesn't have to be one step 02:46 err and I also think I had a thing to find seed from wizard starting inventory 02:46 wizards have bunch of items already identified 02:46 you can use that to find the seed 02:46 yeah 02:46 tho SWAGGINZZZ went for tourist money and random food instead 02:46 also works 02:48 with SAT solver you would create a model of the game's RNG in boolean formulas 02:48 and then encode what misengravings you would get if game's RNG is in a certain state 02:48 this kind of thing would get you the actual RNG state and doesn't care about the seed 02:48 yeah you make a big table of these, the so-called rainbow table 02:48 SAT solver also needs to rainbow table 02:49 wait whats SAT solver 02:49 it's like mathematically calculating the seed from observations rather than relying on big tables 02:49 satisfiability solver 02:49 ah ok 02:49 you have formulas like (A OR B) AND (B OR (NOT C)) 02:49 how do I assign true/false to A, B and C so that the entire formula is true 02:49 right 02:49 the state-of-the-art sat solvers can solve problems where you have millions of formulas and variables 02:50 and you can encode how the RNG works etc. into this format 02:50 there are tooling to make it easier, you don't write them directly with hand 02:50 rainbow tables are also fun if people use weak passwords and you happen to get hold of a bunch of password hashes from an online service 02:50 as long as the RNG is not "hardened" in some way it would probably break 02:50 the glibc random() I think is one of those that would be easy for SAT solver 02:51 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 02:51 iirc K2 patched all the games on hardfought to use urandom() 02:51 that being said I would not be confident SAT solver would solve this exact problem in reasonable time 02:51 but I can see how it would be coded 02:51 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Orcranger's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:5542 02:51 just might not be fast enough to actually be useful 02:51 right 02:52 the SWAGGINZZZ thing was impressive in that it could do it that fast, after initiating a server game 02:52 it did take a lot of resources tho 02:54 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:55 I wonder why the aes-based rng hasn't been upstreamed yet? That should be impossible to reverse without destroying the solar system 02:56 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:56 idk 02:56 maybe too heavy on resources for dead platforms like amiga? 02:56 maybe u should write a letter 02:56 a strongly worded letter 02:56 to aes 02:57 actually maybe chacha would be better 02:57 praise djb 02:57 DCSS uses pcg 02:57 and I in fact tested can sat solver break pcg 02:57 infinigon used chacha for the 3.7-hdf-setseed patch 02:57 sat solver cannot break pcg 02:57 so it's at least resilient to those 02:58 i dont know shit about cryptography tho 02:58 will you teach me, moon-child ? 02:59 aoei: there is one rule in cryptography 02:59 ye? 02:59 if djb says is good, is good 02:59 and if djb says is bad, is bad 02:59 wats djb 02:59 dan bernstein, dude who made chacha 02:59 I don't know that much about crypto; ask kerio 02:59 did he say chacha good 02:59 kerio knows crypto ;o 02:59 i guess hatm akes sense 02:59 kerio knows crypto 02:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:10821 02:59 he did a whole buttload of maths 02:59 and math 03:00 maths* >:c 03:00 fancy fucking britisher 03:00 😦 03:00 don't advertise that publicly please 03:00 think about my OpSec 03:00 s(math) 03:00 im trying to pretend im german or smth 03:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an ogre king, on T:10964 03:02 germany only has like 30% more people than britain 03:02 so i don't think it helps much 03:02 idgi 03:03 if there are 80m people in germany and somebody knows you're german, then they have a 1/80m chance of identifying you based on that information 03:03 but if there are 60m people in the uk and somebody knows you're british, then they have a *staggeringly* higher 1/60m chance of identifying you 03:03 oh no you're missing my point 03:03 i just don't want people knowing i'm british 03:03 because it's fucking embarrassing 03:04 lmao 03:04 fair enough 03:04 have u considered moving to another place 03:04 if it makes you feel any better, I am (was?) american 03:04 n overthrowing their govt 03:04 tommo: ummmm idk 03:04 ^^; 03:04 moon-child: altho your analysis is still false 03:04 because the subset of brits who live in germany is much smaller 03:04 than the two sets you just mentioned 03:05 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:6386 03:05 tommo: germany seems less evil than some of the other places and that's good enough for me for now! 03:05 heh ok 03:06 i heard canada isn't completely horrible either 03:06 its ok in this room :) 03:06 can confirm~ 03:06 well im glad you have a nice room :D 03:06 hehe 03:07 comy tommo is comfy in their room 03:07 thats like a key life goal really 03:07 comfy* 03:07 yiss 03:07 it is one of my faves 03:08 my room is messy but its still p good 03:08 see also: workin 2 establish ur own comfort 03:08 thats a life skill 03:08 can you teach me 03:08 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6679 03:08 how to git gud 03:08 there's a funny kinda joy i get out of setting up all the things i will need in order 2 be lazy 03:08 oh ye thats legit 03:09 ye idk! 03:09 well, alright teaching 1: 03:09 okey :> 03:10 ykno that feeling that comes with wanting 2 play game, but play game not feel good? 03:10 do dish 03:11 wat 03:11 hax 03:11 ✨ 03:11 its true tho i feel anxious about stuff like that until did them 03:12 yee 03:12 also sometimes i get this thing were like 03:12 sumtimes its not the housework that is giving me a bad feeling, but still its the housework that helps me process the bad feeling 03:12 if i have to do an important work thing or job application or hwat every kind of crappy stuff 03:13 if the house is not tidy 03:13 i go into a cleaning spree 03:13 mhm! 03:13 and then i fel properlu preparede 03:13 yes that thing 03:13 it seems like procrastination but it actually helps 03:13 as opposed to the more classical bad procrastination 03:14 where you just do nothing instead 03:14 and remain in fear 03:14 i do sumn on that spectrum maybe a bit closer 2 classic 03:14 but i found a trick 03:14 i do bothj 03:14 dpeneds 03:14 lol 03:14 the trick is, reverse procrastinate 03:14 :o 03:14 o: 03:14 ok how does that one work 03:15 man how am i ever gonna beat my 3.7 pb 03:15 forget it im gonna apply for jobs 03:15 ✨ 03:15 LOL 03:15 thats also legit 03:15 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Kni Hum Fem Law), 12322 points, T:7450, killed by a Green-elf, while sleeping 03:15 since job get, pb looms 03:16 yey :> 03:16 we're rooting for you bud 03:16 heh ok 03:16 i liked luxi's wiki 03:16 im excited 2 try sum of the advice 03:17 maybe i misread toe and intent , or maybn ot 03:17 your ne pb will be there soon 03:18 i didn't even notice! 03:18 probly we're good :) 03:19 i wish termdown had splits 03:19 i bet it would b handy 4 me 03:20 it kinda has splits but not rly in a useful way 03:21 <@luxidream> we will have livelog splits soon 03:22 oh ya, on the seed one? 03:22 i heard about that! 03:22 <@luxidream> yea aoei did it :3 03:22 well heck, thank u aoei 03:25 that reminds me! i said id watch aoei's stream tmr 03:25 do u have her channel link? 03:25 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:25 aoeixsz4 03:25 bless u 03:25 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 03:27 okok im sleep 03:27 maybe catch u tmr! 03:27 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:29 -!- Darothok_ has joined #hardfought 03:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3409 03:32 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2924 03:39 -!- Darothok_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:40 -!- Darothok has joined #hardfought 04:04 <3 tomma 04:05 wata wt 04:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:16677 04:09 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 04:11 !rng strim degenerate turncount attempts | strim fast monsters smashy fun 04:11 aoei: strim fast monsters smashy fun 04:12 but not too fast if i also have to talk and try to win 🤔 04:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:17130 04:15 <@910rd> Do you have a time in mind for the stream? 04:16 erm roughly yes 04:16 bc luxis streaming at like 4pm eastern iirc? 04:17 so i would start like around 3 hours before that 04:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 408 points, T:170, killed by an uninjured giant ant 04:19 <@910rd> Nice, lots of streams to watch tomorrow 04:21 in the mean time i should catch a few more zzzzz 04:21 i actually passed out at my desk briefly just now, which happens to me almost never 04:23 <@910rd> +1 to more zzzzs 04:23 :) 04:23 o7 04:23 <@riker> sleep is for the weak and those who believe in time zones 04:23 <@riker> peace aoei 04:23 lol riker cya 04:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5292 04:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 123 points, T:488, killed by a boulder 04:42 -!- microlance has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:47 i learned about ERC-20 and ERC-721 04:48 NFTs are so awesome 04:48 what are those things stenno1 ? 04:51 NFTs allow to create unique tokens representing ownership of specific items 04:52 so for example if i paint a picture, i can create a NFT for that specific picture, and then trade that token on a blockchain 04:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:6871 04:53 i thought about making a trading card game with nethack ascensions lol 04:53 lol! 04:53 at least that is something that i will try to implement 04:53 in order to learn more about all that crypto stuff 04:54 cool 04:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2648 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful jackal, on T:6905 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful jackal, on T:6906 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6913 04:54 i want to learn cryptography too 04:54 i tasked moon-child earlier to teach me 04:55 but he said i should ask kerio 04:55 bc kerio knows maths and cryptography 04:55 yeah kerio is an expert 04:55 can confirm 04:55 the crypto aspects of blockchain are pretty straightforward 04:56 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 04:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3231 05:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3865 05:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4167 05:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3735 points, T:4666, killed by a wounded owlbear 05:15 -!- tromix has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:16 -!- mekkis has joined #hardfought 05:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:20246 05:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:19 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 05:22 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 05:23 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 05:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Cav Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2370 05:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 3859 points, T:2686, killed by a wounded black unicorn 05:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 24244 points, T:9609, killed by a wounded ogre king 05:38 -!- beastly has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:47 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 05:54 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 05:55 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:04 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 06:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:12226 06:08 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4614 points, T:6730, killed by a wolf, while fainted from lack of food 06:22 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Cerberus, on T:31809 06:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:32236 06:38 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 06:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:16300 07:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:26130 07:10 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:19 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 07:19 hi amateurhour-cuddle wing! looks like you figured out how to imbue the bell :D 07:19 LarienTelrunya: Messages from amateurhour have been forwarded to you privately. 07:19 . 07:20 I thought the stairs had to be on the bottom floor, so got really confused haha 07:20 lol, you have to remember this is slex you're playing, where maximum randomness is the motto 07:21 also mid doing that subquest I got the reminder that there's a limit to ascending 07:21 and it said 'don't worry you have at least 159343 turns left' or whatever 07:21 does that mean I've got nearly the minimum value? 07:21 looks like it 07:21 ... 07:22 I'll be really sad if the limit is genuinely 200k 07:22 not even camping anywhere :( 07:22 why? I've not ever seen you get even close to a turn count of 200k in any of your runs 07:23 that's because I tend to die :P 07:23 if I didn't die, but tried all the optional stuff like space base etc, I reckon it could get up there 07:24 so gonna have to skip those I think if I even find them 07:24 well yeah, but if the timer runs out, you don't autodie (that would be incredibly lame), it just means that random bad stuff starts happening to spice things up 07:24 huh? does the 'limit for ascension' not mean you can't ascend? 07:24 naaaaaaah why would I do that? as I said, I'm not implementing such lame garbage 07:25 the master kaen fight was scuffed af 07:26 there might in fact be a bug with dual-wielded martial arts, I need to wizmode that later 07:26 bug where it deals less damage than it should, to be specific 07:27 did you see my message about minetown and its shops? 07:27 yes, chances are you got that one weird minetown where the shops don't work right 07:27 it's that weird river minetown, none of the shopkeepers were attached to their shops and the priest was wandering 07:28 yeah that one, not sure why that happens 07:31 btw this run doesn't have any hybrid races 07:32 oh? that's surprising, I thought you always wanted specialist and sokosolver 07:32 yeah I just thought I'd try one without both to see 07:33 [hdf-eu] [slex] microlance (Unb Rdt Mal Cha), 2972 points, T:2926, quit 07:33 turns out it's easier without specialist, who could have seen that coming? 07:33 damn, once again I got the bug where my terminal crashes if I try to watch a game that's no longer there 07:33 somewhat daily reminder to update your OS to something sane (Day 5 maybe? idk) 07:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:18977 07:34 brb a sec to prep lunch 07:34 no that's a bug with dgl, you can reproduce it by opening the watch menu and selecting a game that has ended 07:34 err a bit hard to explain I guess... if you open the watch menu, it shows the games that are in progress at this moment, but if the player then exits the game and you try to watch it afterwards, crash 07:36 usually I encounter that problem when a player is startscumming a lot, because the time between opening the watch menu and actually hitting the button for watching a game can well be enough for the player to have quit already 07:36 so curses and slex race+class selection doesnt work or? 07:37 microlance: don't think it does 07:37 i think it worked last time i played. that i could change page with the arrow keys. but not now 07:37 the curses interface is half-done and may well still have bugs 07:37 you can change page with > and < 07:38 oh, that might have been what i used then. 07:39 yeah, that works. 07:41 an angel YSexymate, cant be bad 07:42 I've seen a player wield the pumps as a ysexymate once, which one should never do because it deals minimal damage :P kicking with them, on the other hand, can be very effective 07:43 but they are +7. so wielding them should atleast be doing 7 dmg 07:43 uhh no, wielding a non-weapon generally does only d2 damage 07:45 hmm, okay i thought the enchantment did something. but i guess they get the +7 hit and dmg on kicks then 07:45 kicking doesn't have to-hit :P it does give the damage bonus though 07:46 and do i fly as an angel? 07:46 yes, as long as your alignment record isn't negative 07:48 ok makes sense for the wings to atrophy or something if you offend your deity 07:48 -!- tromix has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:48 while your alignment record is negative, all positive in/extrinsics are deactivated until the alignment is at least 0 again 07:49 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 07:49 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 145 points, T:141, killed by a fox 07:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:19659 07:57 angel is great, just sucks when there's a chanter behind a wall draining your alignment like mad 07:58 eating a Kop made me a cannibal :( 07:59 any K will do that iirc, watch out for the nasty trap of kestrals doing that 08:00 similarly it seems like any % monster corpse will break vegan, even if it's called like 08:00 fruit salad 08:07 !coffee 08:07 * Beholder passes nabru a tall glass of Johnnie Walker Blue whiskey, replicated by Announcy at 85 degrees Fahrenheit. 08:12 microlance: hint: you can apply up to three layers of grease to an item 08:13 you really need it for helms as there's flayers everywhere and for some unholy reason you can start with like 3 int lol 08:15 I really need to get a unihorn 08:15 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:34513 08:15 only found 1 this whole game, did my due dilligence and enchanted it to +5 08:16 then after trying to restore my stats with it, it drained the whole way down and got destroyed 08:16 :| 08:16 in a single turn 08:16 I thought it was only meant to lose 1 enchantment 08:16 ouch 08:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) destroyed Charon, on T:34877 08:23 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:34895 08:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1663 08:35 hmm i think iam on floor 74 in gehennom 08:35 banished 08:35 yep 08:35 it's pretty game ending 08:36 unless you somehow did the space base before getting banished 08:36 got tele scrolls or something else that you could use to warp back? 08:40 [hdf-eu] [slex] microlance (Sex Ang Fem Cha), 52560 points, T:7006, killed by a monster (dex devil) 08:40 aww, rip 08:40 it wasnt too bad down there. but then again getting out might not be too easy. 08:47 have you found a race/role combo you like microlance? 08:47 I find random choice leads to nasty options, especially with random hybrid races 08:47 whats recommended? 08:48 I think angel jedi is pretty strong, idk if there's a 'recommended' combo though 08:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased ring of slow digestion", on T:30529 08:48 the angel Ysexy, seemed kinda good. atleast i got the furthest i have sofar. might be the oneshots from the kicks. 08:49 monk is imho the uberrole 08:49 as god intended 08:49 jedi seems a bit nerfed from the jedi patch thinking about it, can't just throw lightsaber and get it back 100% 08:50 the chance to have the lightsaber come back goes up with djem so skill 08:50 yeah but you don't want to lose your weapon lol so you'd never throw it 08:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) became the Grandmaster of Balance, on T:30581 08:50 unlike the jedi patch where you feel epic doing jedi ninja shit like that :P 08:51 a tame cuntgun trooper named sergeant mcshithead lol 08:51 lol 08:58 oh hey it's the last day of february 08:58 I should update the variant history chart 08:59 LarienTelrunya: hey do you know off the top of your head what the last slex version was in 2020 and what the current released version is 08:59 aosdict: 2.68 (for both, because I haven't released a newer version in 2021 yet) 09:00 thanks 09:02 <@princessSpicycat> microlance: sounds like Mission to Zyxx, which has some star wars parody elements 09:03 <@princessSpicycat> there's all these cloned soldiers named Clint ("yeah i dunno if you've been talking to the other clints but uhh, i'm definitely the best one") and we find out in season 3 that they all carry an emergency blaster rifle - rectally 09:04 <@princessSpicycat> when they shout "let's do this!" that's the command word to eject it 09:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3917 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by engraving "bob", on T:4483 09:15 what floor is the space base usually at? 09:16 huh I really thought you'd know that by now... entrance is somewhere on 2-49 :P 09:17 oh, as in that's its normal range? I thought maybe it was something like 'usually on 33, but rngesus may decide to put it where the mines are' 09:17 or something 09:18 nah 09:18 its normal range is very random 09:18 I'm really hoping it wasn't on that floor of diggable walls 09:19 hoping that was just grund's or something 09:19 why? it shouldn't be so hard to dig through them 09:20 god fucking dammit 09:20 have to leave for my shift :/ why does time have to fly like this whenever I have a bit at home 09:20 will probably be back in two weeks or so :P stupid shift times 09:21 because that floor is turboaids 09:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:15309 09:21 seeya, have a nice day at work 09:21 heh, thanks 09:21 at least today it's just one train, whereas tomorrow I'll be on tour the entire day 09:21 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6637 09:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] SeamusMcRed (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first item, on T:20221 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 360 points, T:3507, killed by an uninjured werejackal 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:7700 09:33 dex got drained to 4 :| 09:35 amateurhour: testing new livelog stuffs for setseed: https://dpaste.com/649YGCJQM 09:36 @riker I am once again asking for a header section on the dnethack page 09:37 "hmm I can't remember the dnethack repository. Oh I know! I'll go to the dnethack wiki page! ... Nope." 09:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:33920 09:42 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 09:43 moon-child: do you think slashem9 should be present on the variant graph, or not yet because 1.0 isn't released? have you had any noteworthy 0.* releases? 09:43 so what am i doing in the space base, exactly? 09:43 iam on floor 13 now, been to a town 09:43 in the space base you keep going down till you find subsubbranches 09:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Joshu, on T:9101 09:44 get to the end floor of each of those to unlock the next subsubbranch 09:44 then the final subsubbranch has a boss fight with the BOFH which gives a guaranteed artifact plus another random artifact 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9243 09:44 @?le BOFH 09:44 No such monster. 09:44 wtf is the syntax 09:44 @@?le BOFH 09:44 le BOFH ~5~ lemure (i) | Lvl: 3 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 3 | Res: sleep poison | Confers: sleep | MR: 0 | Generates: gehennom | AC: 7 | Attacks: 1d3 claw physical | Alignment: -7 | Flags: genocidable, regenerates, poisonous, stalker, infravisible 09:44 nO 09:44 okay, but now a goddamn luggage canceled my sol valtiva and its +0 :((( 09:45 @?le the BOFH 09:45 No such monster. 09:45 I give up 09:45 but it was only +2 before and the dmg is the fire dmg so it doesnt matter 09:45 but perhaps 09:45 which race/role combo did you land this time? 09:48 i picked a golden saint space marine 09:51 golden saints chill in the end game parts of morrowind if i remember correctly. so i thought this race must be strong. 09:51 <@princessSpicycat> @riker 09:51 [hdf-us] [fh] novack (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 24626 points, T:2653, killed by a soldier ant 09:51 intrinsic reflection is pretty good 09:51 <{Demo}2> haha, any race being allowed to be "strong" in slex 09:51 but then again all intrinsics are nerfed 09:51 they seem immune to cannibalism atleast, since i keep getting the you feel evil and fiendish 09:51 -!- tungtn_ is now known as tungtn 09:52 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 09:58 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3447 points, T:5950, killed by a plains centaur 10:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15600 10:03 <@luxidream> @@le? Bastard operator from hell 10:03 Bastard Operator From Hell (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 38 | Spd: 12 | Res: disintegrate poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 2d12 lashing data-delete, 10d10 non-contacting-beam blind, 2d4 gaze remove-light | Alignment: -20 | Flags: omnivore, flies, breathless, regenerates, seeinvis, teleports, nopoly, covetous, infravisible 10:04 oh could have sworn in-game the displayed name was just BOFH 10:04 must have remembered wrong 10:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:11083 10:05 pretty sure the data-delete attack is only in evilvariant mode 10:05 yeah that one you posted is the evilvariant one, I wonder why it can't find BOFH 10:06 I see it in monst.c but can't link to the line on github because it doesn't show files that large lol 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:28898 10:11 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) just blew up her bag of holding, on T:12001 10:15 boh no :( 10:16 :( 10:16 hey luxidream what's the format of the race next week? 10:16 might be interested in doing it 10:16 :o 10:17 <@luxidream> run through valkyrie, monk, one other role 10:18 <@luxidream> get sokoprize and mines end luckstone 10:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 355 points, T:1180, killed by a nearly deceased gnome lord 10:18 <@luxidream> best combined time wins 10:19 cool 10:19 amateurhour: still interested? 10:19 lux has anyone else said they might be up for doing it 10:19 <@luxidream> no one responded on reddit lol 10:19 <@luxidream> Except bouquet 10:19 awe 10:19 [hdf-eu] [slex] microlance (Sma Aur Fem Cha), 34293 points, T:11606, killed by a monster (corona core) 10:20 well bouquet is better than nobody :D 10:20 <@luxidream> well he is also here 😄 10:20 yeah i know XD 10:21 sounds like it could be fun 10:21 what time would it be? 10:22 cool format 10:22 what does "best combined time" mean 10:22 realtime until you complete all three roles? 10:22 summed i would assume 10:22 yeah 10:22 yeah ok that makes sense 10:22 do you quit after getting both or do you escape? 10:23 <@luxidream> quit 10:23 sweet 10:23 so is this gonna be infinigon vs a-hour? :D 10:23 HYPE 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:12887 10:23 ALSO PEER PRESSURE 10:23 and here i thought you had too ascend all three. i was thinking that was pretty hardcore 10:23 * infinigon is very busy devving 10:24 infinigon: F 10:24 microlance vs amateurhour perhaps? 🤔 10:24 <@luxidream> devving engine go brrr 10:24 <@princessSpicycat> allow pee breaks between runs! 10:24 idk, i haven't actually played very much nethack recently 10:24 blame cogmind 10:24 we need the devving engine for the setseed stuff too 10:24 its ok infinigon your duties are cogmind and setseed ev 10:24 dev* 10:24 would like to play at some point in the indeterminate future though 10:24 you don't have to *also* compete 10:25 nice 10:25 <@luxidream> yea I think it’s in the post title microlance 10:25 <@luxidream> no one could do 3 ascensions in one session 10:25 <{Demo}2> you could 10:25 luxidream could do it 10:26 <@luxidream> no one would race that guy under such terrible rules 10:26 <{Demo}2> true 10:26 hahaha 10:27 well sign me up for the babymode race, can't do anything more than that prolly 10:27 nice 10:27 <@luxidream> cool 10:27 <@luxidream> So we you got you, bouquet so far 10:27 how many you aiming for? 10:28 how many peopel can you stream at once lmao 10:28 <@luxidream> 3 or 4 10:28 pog 10:28 <@princessSpicycat> seems like 4 would fit comfortably 10:28 the only downside of taking part is I can't shitpost in chat :( 10:28 amateurhour: F 10:29 #extended shitpost 10:29 amateurhour: I will shitpost as much as I can on your behalf 10:29 <@princessSpicycat> what about @baneofjon ? 10:29 does that help? 10:29 i mean, i can't shitpost quite at your calibre but i will try my best 10:29 be sure to direct message luxidream whenever there's a circumstance in which free action could even remotely have helped 10:29 <@luxidream> Yeah you can shitpost using extended commands 10:29 <@luxidream> You know stenno did that 10:29 lol true 10:30 i didn't shitpost much with it 10:30 i occasionally said # lol 10:30 <{Demo}2> i think #fuck would be the most common 10:30 # aaaaaaaaaaaaaaAAAA 10:30 no time for that many as tho 10:30 probably more like # aaA 10:30 one-up your opponents with a named-wish shitpost 10:30 <@luxidream> helm of opposite alignment named plz 10:30 rofl 10:31 i saw that 10:32 <@luxidream> microlance you down? 10:32 if i get free time after work next week i'll try to whip together a script to auto-select the next seed when you die 10:32 <@luxidream> :0 10:32 i feel like that's the jankiest part of the current setup 10:33 i could perhaps participate, i can do sokoban reasonably quick i think. hmm, i must think about it some 10:33 <@luxidream> Thanks so much 10:33 infinigon: yeah that'd be sweet 10:33 flipped 2a WutFace 10:33 this is like chess, even if one player is faster than the other you can apply time handicaps to even it out 10:33 we don't need to put a ton of effort into finding players of roughly equal skill 10:34 <@910rd> Flipped mimic of the mines 10:34 we don't need time handicaps for the baby race I think 10:34 <@910rd> That shit took me forever to figure out even with looking at the wiki page for the layout 10:35 910rd r u in tho 10:35 oh yeah, the flipped mines end are hell 10:35 especially mimic one 10:35 microlance: you can rotate your mental maps visually inside your mind 10:35 try it some time! 10:35 4HEad 10:35 sokoban isnt all that bad 10:36 yeah flipped soko is fine 10:36 actually don't rotate the maps in your mind 10:36 they're never rotated, only flipped 10:36 <@910rd> Didn't have tele though 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:16363 10:37 <@luxidream> rotated soko is super cursed 10:37 flipping twice, once horizontally and once vertically = rotating by 180 degrees 10:37 ohhhh right tru 10:37 <@luxidream> 90 degree rotation tho 10:38 <@luxidream> I would die 10:38 fortunately that doesn't exist 10:38 haha 10:38 lets hope for many of those electric v:s in soko zoo 10:38 strat would be soko before mine's end, right? 10:38 <@luxidream> Probably. But you could win either way 10:39 <@luxidream> soko is quite dangerous so some players may choose mines first out of habit 10:39 for those roles soko isn't that dangerous 10:39 you have stealth so just gotta luck into silent door opener 10:40 you can get killed by a energy vortex real easy 10:40 <@luxidream> That’s assuming monk? 10:41 i guess the excal does enough to kill them before they get you most of the time 10:41 what is luxi? 10:42 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 10:42 <@luxidream> energy vortex dying 10:42 oh 10:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) was given Vorpal Blade, on T:37945 10:43 an owlbear could probably end a monk as well, if you dont have lucked into some godgift good weapon 10:44 w-weapon? 10:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2433 10:44 <@luxidream> imagine sacrificing on this run 10:45 <@luxidream> anyway marts got buffed in vanilla 10:45 <@luxidream> so should be fine? 10:45 in the very early game martial arts is epic 10:45 if you find a coaligned altar on the way you can easily do one or two sacs, be neutral monk and get a mjollnir and your pretty much set 10:46 if the rng is with you 10:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1890 points, T:2635, killed by a nearly defunct orc zombie 10:49 <@910rd> @aoei I am considering a small break from nethack playing before trying to better my time. So maybe I will play in the next mini race 10:49 ok fair enough 910rd :) 10:51 <@princessSpicycat> a little buffed 10:51 wouold be excittted to you see racing at soime point 10:51 <@princessSpicycat> don't be hasty aoei 10:51 * aoei slows down a lil 10:51 but i thought we were speedrunning spicy 10:52 looking at the numbers martial arts have some really respectable dmg and +hit at those low lvls. 10:53 yeah and don't forget monks get a to-hit bonus for not wearing armour and shield 10:53 so it's like infinite accuracy 10:53 (in the early game) 10:53 monk absolutely slays mines and soko honestly 10:53 it's after that things become a bit tricky 10:54 <@luxidream> hey there is nethack bug where monks have no constitution 10:55 you don't need it that early on anyway :P 10:55 -!- yanah has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:55 <@luxidream> imagine dwarf monk 20 con 10:56 <@luxidream> you actually want con as early as possible amateurhour 10:56 <@luxidream> It doesn’t apply retroactively in vanilla 10:56 I just mean you don't really need it for a run that ends after soko and mines 10:56 <@luxidream> so if you start with bad con you will have bad hp forever 10:57 <@luxidream> yeah that’s true 10:57 which is why knights suck 10:57 <@luxidream> Just roll big on the d8 10:58 this keyboard's h, y, and l keys can fly off whilst typing btw, so if you see some random janky movements or weird pauses then that's it :P 10:58 haha 10:59 <@luxidream> Those are unfortunate keys to be breaking :p 11:00 Grue in dnethack, is it the same one as mentioned on the wiki for the devnull tournament? ie keep out of the dark. 11:00 it's afraid of the light but you won't insta die in the dark 11:00 ah nice, cheers! 11:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed the Grue, on T:38759 11:01 you can avoid them pretty easily if you don't want to kill them, but they're weak 11:01 lol 11:01 see 11:01 :D 11:01 my previous laptop's dfjk keycaps kept flying off 11:01 <{Demo}2> tame grue in dnh 11:01 you got the grue instead of medusa btw 11:01 have you done any of the alignment quests Merlek? 11:01 at the time i didn't know that keyboard rhythm games would mess up a laptop keyboard that badly 11:02 after that i got a mechanical keyboard lol 11:02 <{Demo}2> did u osu! ur keyboard in half or what? 11:02 nope, been too scared :D just got reflection, so should hopefully be ok to take them on 11:02 lol, osu as a vowel 11:02 no, it wasn't osu 11:02 i think osu only uses 2 keys? 11:02 s/vowel/verb 11:02 <{Demo}2> i wouldnt know 11:03 if you do the law one first you'll be epically stacked with loot 11:03 and then the other two will just seal the deal 11:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 378 points, T:1625, killed by an uninjured werejackal 11:03 they're pretty epic honestly, so fun 11:04 <@luxidream> Osu uses z and x 11:04 <@luxidream> Two button rhythm game 11:04 hehe yeah, got a damn lot from the quests so far, just haven't done the end-bosses 11:04 after dfjk broke i started using zx,. 11:05 <@luxidream> What game infinigon? 11:05 <@luxidream> stepmania? 11:05 stepmania 11:05 before etterna was a thing 11:05 which chaos quest did you get? 11:05 <@luxidream> ah gotcha 11:05 <@luxidream> I never played 4K that much 11:05 i imagine you would be good 11:05 you got those fast fingers 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 139 points, T:660, killed by uninjured Ms. Juyn; the shopkeeper 11:06 <@luxidream> heh, kps in rhythm games is much higher 11:06 <@luxidream> I played 7k+1 on bms 11:06 <@luxidream> Recently I’ve played djmax respect that has a 4K mode 11:07 omg, a first game breaking error in 3.7 for me now. it was a goblin who read a scroll of earth which killed him. 11:07 oh nice 11:07 amateurhour: ruined temple 11:07 made a few more smol changes to the livelogging PR at https://github.com/NHTangles/beholder/pull/16 11:07 ah that final fight is scary yeah 11:07 don't really need it as you'll get MR in two different ways 11:08 i tried playing Actual Rhythm Games at an arcade once and was disappointed at how difficult it is to adapt to n key (n > 4) from a 4k background 11:08 i imagine it's much easier the other way round 11:08 <@baneofjon> why was I pinged here? 11:09 idk baneofjon, someone said your name but i don't recall who or why 11:09 <@baneofjon> @princessSpicycat 11:09 <@luxidream> infinigon play sound voltex 11:09 <@luxidream> It’s 4K+2 11:09 <@910rd> Would you consider playing in the mini race @baneofjon ? 11:09 infinigon: have you played undertale tho 11:09 <@luxidream> not a rhythm game :v 11:09 <@baneofjon> oh 11:10 <@baneofjon> uhh 11:10 <@baneofjon> maybe 11:11 <@luxidream> infinigon: https://youtu.be/O3_1ZusubqA 11:11 you need that special controller for sound voltex right? 11:11 i watched some guy play it once, it's crazy 11:11 <@luxidream> Yeah I’ve heard there are cheaper ones these days though 11:11 good music tho 11:11 <@luxidream> It’s more beginner friendly than IIDX lol 11:12 it's funny how lots of stepmania charts have audio ripped straight from sdvx 11:12 you can hear the swooshing sfx from the knobs being turned and all 11:12 oh yeah, iidx 11:12 <@luxidream> Probably lazy steppers ripping them from YouTube videos 11:12 that was the one that really rekt me 11:13 <@luxidream> yeah in IIDX you start out failing 1s 11:13 <@luxidream> This is normal 11:13 <@luxidream> It doesn’t get better 11:13 i got to play ddr on an actual machine though, i wanna do that more 11:13 amateurhour: all three quest bosses sounds pretty damn hard 11:13 lmao luxi 11:14 <@luxidream> I don’t have ddr where I live so I play pump it up instead 11:14 the diagonal one? 11:14 <@luxidream> yep 11:14 seems cool 11:14 you live near an arcade? 11:14 <@luxidream> There’s a little community for it here so that’s pretty nice 11:15 <@luxidream> I make the drive, 30 minutes 11:15 ah, fair 11:16 i saw this on hacker news a while back 11:16 https://reflex.dance/ 11:16 <@luxidream> I think there is a round one in the UK? 11:16 <@luxidream> oh yeah the open source pads 11:16 <@luxidream> haven’t looked at it in a while 11:16 kinda want to build one some day, seems like a fun project :P 11:18 <@luxidream> I got a polish pad and have been flailing around on it during quarantine 11:18 lol nice luxi 11:18 <@luxidream> they’re pretty decent 11:19 i think i am getting fat during quarantine i should exercise more LOL 11:19 <@luxidream> I can’t play high level stuff though because I am bad 11:19 Merlek: the law ones aren't bad, maybe the sentinel can do some really spiky damage 11:19 one of my jackets seems real tight to wear now 11:19 two of the chaos ones sound scary but are fine 11:20 amateurhour: will see if i survive then :) 11:20 and the neutral one you gotta try everything you can to avoid even seeing them 11:20 save a blessed geno for h for the final floor of neutral quest... 11:20 if you haven't geno'd them already 11:20 no worries if you haven't, but the loot is epic 11:21 a-hour i might strim a lil before luxidream starts this evening 11:22 what would be more hype rapid monk splats or degenerate wizards die with wow (x47) 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:21275 11:23 <@princessSpicycat> aoei: variants! 11:23 what in the fresh hell is this nastytrap I have gotten in slex 11:23 raindrops x47 11:23 sorry no variants 11:23 stenno1: YAY YOU GOT THE REF 11:23 <3 11:23 hah 11:24 amateurhour: the real nastytrap is SLEX itself 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 214 points, T:525, killed by an uninjured brown mold 11:24 !tell LarienTelrunya I thought #force was meant to dig farmland? it doesn't seem to :S 'You fire an ammo at the farmland. It doesn't seem to have any effect.' with melee weapon equipped (lightsaber, axe, etc) 11:24 I'm on it, amateurhour. 11:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:3172 11:25 take a look at it though, p much unplayable 11:25 lol 11:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3689 11:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3790 11:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:3948 11:31 <@nabru> !booze 11:31 * Beholder hands @nabru a barrel of moonshine, distilled by the /dev/null/oracle at 30 degrees Celsius. 11:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5115 11:41 torn between using cloak of reflection and lab coat 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ryoshu, on T:23230 11:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:36535 11:48 what's lab coat do? 11:48 <@luxidream> !who 11:48 @luxidream: [hdf-us] SkydiveMike [nh370] quervo1 [nh370] elron [nh370] Karnac [nh370] dgoddard [zapm] arnibald [dnh] kelvin [fh] Ardub [xnh] rebatela [evil] hothraxxa [evil] | [hdf-eu] Merlek [dnh] microlance [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:49 poison and acid resist 11:49 Covers the outside of a labrador 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:34581 11:50 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:35040 11:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:7660 11:51 lol pinkbeast 11:52 amateurhour: isn't that what an alchemy smock does or apron or wahtever in vanilla? 11:53 yep, but with MC3 just like slashem 11:53 infinigon: good news! 11:53 intrinsic poison resist only works like 50% of the time so my stats keep getting drained 11:54 we now save seed to dumplogs also 11:54 some poison dragon bat or something drained my dex to 4 recently, and didn't find a unihorn for a whie 11:54 either in the form: 11:54 Randomly chosen seed: \x1e\xc9O8\x02\xb7"\xe5`\x8bY\xb3B\xe5Q=\xf4\x10\xd7"k\xa7\x20\x01\xd1\x88}}\xb4\xc7\xa6\\ 11:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:19447 11:55 or Player chosen seed: something 11:55 is this still the game where you have beat kaen etc.? 11:55 aoei: uh... it's gonna print as a bunch of \x characters like that? 11:55 ah fuck I'm so dead, accidentally walked into the portal to vecna 11:55 aoei: nice :D 11:55 aosdict: yeah I don't like it much either, might try to implement an alternative solution 11:55 dump it as hex 11:56 or only randomly generate ascii seeds 11:56 aosdict: i was gonna suggest just generating only human-readable seeds 11:56 oh no. do the portals timeout ? 11:56 eyah 11:56 saved! 11:56 nice. you got out of there ! 11:57 i remember now. isn't there a timer even going up and down stairs or something? I've only played a little 11:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 15595 points, T:8496, killed by a wounded priestess of Poseidon 11:57 <@luxidream> !lastgame microlance 11:57 @luxidream: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/nethack/dumplog/1614528812.nh.html 11:59 it was perhaps a bit too hopeful of me to think i could kill the priestess. but i had to after i went all that way and stinking clouds doesnt seem to work on them anymore 12:01 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 12:01 wb Amy 12:02 sup, my tour partner for today (whom I also had a tour with yesterday) suddenly called me, he somehow managed to get sick since our last tour and couldn't come! so the tour was cancelled and I travelled there for nothing at all! 12:02 LarienTelrunya: Message from amateurhour at 2021-02-28 11:24 EST: I thought #force was meant to dig farmland? it doesn't seem to :S 'You fire an ammo at the farmland. It doesn't seem to have any effect.' with melee weapon equipped (lightsaber, axe, etc) 12:03 covid? 12:03 heh, force is supposed to have a chance (1 in 20) to remove farmland, you may have to try many times 12:03 oh then screw that shop 12:03 I got the floor open now if you want to see which one I mean 12:04 I somehow got the flu last year, I'd like to know how _that_ happened given we're not allowed to lick any faces 12:04 that level is pretty cool amy! 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:25279 12:04 no it's not its bad and should feel bad >:( imagine if there was a branch stairs in that shop ewww 12:04 aosdict: aosdict: probably not, seems to be some sort of circulatory dysfunction 12:04 whoops why did it paste the nick twice 12:04 aosdict: aosdict: aosdict: hi 12:04 amateurhour: yeah of course I know that level 12:05 stop duplicating me! 12:05 Double trouble! 12:05 if you have flying, you can simply pass over all that farmland :P you can also arm a grenade, drop it, and then wait for it to explode 12:05 You see here two aosdicts. 12:06 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 12:07 also omg there's so much backscroll for me to read 12:07 o/ 12:07 \o 12:08 helo tommo 12:08 oh we have pinobot now, right? 12:08 @le?bofh 12:08 BOFH (@) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 34 | Spd: 12 | Res: disintegrate poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 100 | Generates: unique | AC: -8 | Attacks: 2d12 lashing physical | Alignment: -20 | Flags: omnivore, flies, breathless, nopoly, covetous, infravisible 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1765 12:08 hiya 12:08 yaaaaaaaay praise the almighty K2-wing bundle for hosting pinobot ♥♥♥♥3 12:08 <3 12:09 aoei: r u gonna stream today? :3 12:09 did i miss it 12:09 you have not missed anything 12:09 did it not work because I did it in caps maybe? 12:09 i might start in an hour or os 12:09 o okok 12:09 but wat should i do tommo 12:09 game 12:10 is it more funny to die a lot with degenerate wizards who all have wishing wands for some reason 12:10 ummmm 12:10 or try to rt speedrun monk 12:10 amateurhour: the ? was apparently missing, you said "@le bofh" instead of "@le 12:10 and die a lot 12:10 whoops 12:10 instead of "@le?bofh" 12:10 dying a lot is a given ofc 12:10 <@luxidream> talk so I have something to listen to :p 12:10 oh right 12:10 hmmm 12:10 yesyes talk lots 12:10 aoei: if u dont mind the risk of being banned play slex on stream 12:10 <@luxidream> no I will report u 12:10 <@luxidream> don't you dare 12:10 lol 12:10 i dont wanna play slex on strim lol 12:10 aoei: büschelbüschelbüschel! :D 12:11 <@luxidream> imagine slex being on the banned games list 12:11 there's a lot of monkaTOS in there 12:11 im curious abt the monk :) but i feeeel like the obscene number of options available to a wishy wizard might give more 2 talk about :) 12:12 omg amateurhour do you have the uninformation nastytrap effect? 12:12 did I stand on a nastytrap 12:12 that blows 12:12 LarienTelrunya: fr: orbs of fire # again 12:12 Pinkbeast: heh, not sure if they can be made to work like they do in dcss 12:12 <@luxidream> red e that does shitloads of fire damage 12:12 <@luxidream> also contamination 12:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful quivering blob, on T:37210 12:13 also fr: Sigmund 12:13 still planning to eventually steal all the dcss monsters, including all those that were removed in earlier versions, but for that it'd be useful to have a single data sheet file 12:13 <@luxidream> what's the deal with sigmund, I've died more times to grinder 12:13 kind of like monst.c for nethack, but for all the dcss monsters 12:14 Sigmund does have the highest killratio of any vanilla unique 12:15 <@luxidream> poor sonja not getting credit for her kills lol 12:15 <@luxidream> but in terms of dumb hax I think there are definitely worse than him 12:15 @@le?sigmund 12:15 sigmund ~2~ Sigurd (R) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 38 | Spd: 15 | Res: sleep disintegrate petrification | Confers: sleep | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -5 | Attacks: 10d6 weapon rust, 6d6 kick disenchant | Alignment: 10 | Flags: omnivore, flies, thick hide, nopoly, stalker 12:15 heh, not close enough 12:15 @@le?larientelrunya 12:15 larientelrunya ~7~ carpenter ant (a) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 12 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: -2 | Attacks: 3d4 bite physical, 3d4 sting physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, tunnels, oviparous, poisonous 12:16 <@luxidream> @le?grinder 12:16 grinder (') | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 27 | Spd: 18 | Res: sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: -4 | Attacks: 8d8 hug physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: breathless, mindless, vegan 12:16 @@le?creator of slex 12:16 creator of slex (h) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 10 | Generates: special | AC: -4 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon physical, 1d10 weapon physical | Alignment: 4 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, infravisible 12:16 Sometimes players die to silly things (eg the top killer in bcrawl is worms, and how the fuck do you die to a worm?) 12:16 LarienTelrunya: why is carpenter ant brown? they're black 12:16 <@luxidream> @@le?cogmind 12:16 cogmind ~3~ domina (n) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 18 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 40 | Generates: special | AC: 6 | Attacks: 0d0 weapon item steal, 0d0 claw seduce | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, swims, teleports, covetous, infravisible 12:16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpenter_ant 12:16 <@luxidream> @@le?minotaur berserker 12:16 minotaur berserker ~6~ jennifer berserker (F) | Lvl: 30 | Diff: 40 | Spd: 16 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: -4 | Attacks: 5d6 weapon physical, 5d6 weapon physical, 5d6 weapon physical, 5d6 weapon physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, nopoly, infravisible, vegan 12:17 aosdict: not sure, probably because whichever game I stole them from had them be brown 12:17 @@le?nabru 12:17 nabru ~2~ abra (e) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 7 | Spd: 15 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 3d4 gaze disarm, 2d2 touch confuse | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, mindless, oviparous 12:17 @@le?very large potato 12:17 very large potato ~6~ very large bug (º) | Lvl: 20 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 16 | Res: sleep poison petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: -6 | Attacks: 12d7 sting poison-sting, 1d1 spit makes-you-aggravate-monsters | Alignment: 0 | Flags: poisonous, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 12:17 <@luxidream> @@le?solgaleo 12:17 solgaleo ~4~ soul gazer (e) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 30 | Spd: 12 | Res: magic | Confers: nothing | MR: 80 | Generates: special | AC: -4 | Attacks: 3d4 gaze light-ray, 7d7 bite stun, 9d9 hug magic missile | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, flies, amphibious, infravisible 12:17 <@luxidream> @@le?dialga 12:17 dialga ~3~ dingo (d) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 5 | Spd: 16 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 12:17 @@le?Mx Potato Head 12:17 Mx Potato Head ~7~ potato vamp (V) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 8 | Res: drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 1d10 bite physical | Alignment: -6 | Flags: genocidable, flies, breathless, undead, infravisible 12:18 <@luxidream> uhh 12:18 <@luxidream> where are all my legends 12:18 <@luxidream> @le?mewtwo 12:18 mewtwo ~3~ meowth (f) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 10 | Spd: 15 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 4 | Attacks: 3d4 bite physical, 2d2 claw gold steal | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 12:18 @le?ho-oh 12:18 Ho-oh (B) | Lvl: 25 | Diff: 35 | Spd: 30 | Res: fire cold sleep disintegrate poison petrification | Confers: cold | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -15 | Attacks: 10d5 claw physical, 4d4 claw item steal, 10d5 breath fire, 4d3 bite fire | Alignment: -6 | Flags: omnivore, flies, breathless, thick hide, regenerates, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 12:18 Nyarth :-P 12:18 MEOWTH, that's right 12:18 lol 12:18 <@luxidream> @@le?lugia 12:18 lugia ~1~ Lucia (;) | Lvl: 8 | Diff: 15 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold disintegrate petrification drain | Confers: cold | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: 0 | Attacks: 2d5 weapon physical, 2d5 kick physical, 0d0 touch wrap | Alignment: -7 | Flags: omnivore, swims, amphibious, nopoly, undead, stalker, vegetarian 12:18 <@luxidream> wut 12:18 close enough 12:19 <@luxidream> @@le?raichu 12:19 raichu (r) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 28 | Spd: 13 | Res: shock | Confers: shock | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 7 | Attacks: 5d5 bite immobilizing-destroying, 5d5 breath shock, 3d3 gaze paralyze | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, oviparous, infravisible 12:19 -!- microlance has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:19 <@luxidream> @@le?gorochu 12:19 gorochu ~3~ gorgochuck (r) | Lvl: 28 | Diff: 31 | Spd: 3 | Res: petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 30 | Generates: special | AC: 1 | Attacks: 3d6 bite physical, 4d4 gaze petrification | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, swims, tunnels, oviparous, infravisible 12:20 @@le?articuno 12:20 articuno ~4~ martian (A) | Lvl: 52 | Diff: 60 | Spd: 6 | Res: fire poison | Confers: nothing | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: -5 | Attacks: 20d10 hug physical, 5d10 gaze magic drain, 10d8 non-contacting-beam fire | Alignment: -10 | Flags: swims, amorphous, breathless, mindless, oviparous, nopoly, stalker 12:20 <@luxidream> smh amy you don't even have all the gen 1 pokemon 12:20 yeah sorry, will eventually add more 12:20 <@luxidream> what are you doing 12:21 what is a gorochu 12:21 <@luxidream> beta gen 1 evolution of raichu 12:21 <@luxidream> looks like super saiyan 12:21 amateurhour: when you said "what in the fresh hell is this nastytrap I have gotten in slex" were you referring to the uninformation trap? 12:21 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/815634882314502154/gorochu-spirte-pokemon-feb182019.png 12:21 no, it was a grayout trap 12:22 or something 12:22 > mouse 12:22 couldn't really see anything, loads of gray # on screen 12:22 yeah, ok 12:22 <@luxidream> as opposed to keyboard 12:22 ah, fun! 12:23 I had to just wait that one out, it was a bit dangerous 12:23 wtf how can gorochu be #27, normally that should be sandshrew 12:23 <@luxidream> haxes I guess 12:24 also wth why do I get links to german pokemon wiki sites when I google for such stuff :P want to filter them out because the german translations are utterly atrocious 12:24 think I gotta wait out this uninformation trap before going to the spider caves 12:24 they actually named certain pokemon "Blattsalat" or "Safcon" in the german versions, and the gym leaders have names like "Norbert" or "Hartwig"! 12:25 lol norbert 12:26 @le? Glurak 12:26 Glurak ~2~ eldrak (T) | Lvl: 37 | Diff: 41 | Spd: 12 | Res: sleep poison | Confers: poison | MR: 80 | Generates: special | AC: -9 | Attacks: 3d4 weapon physical, 3d4 weapon physical, 3d4 weapon physical | Alignment: -7 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, regenerates, poisonous, nopoly, stalker, infravisible 12:26 I really need an altar or preferably coaligned temple... 12:26 @le? charizard 12:26 charizard (:) | Lvl: 24 | Diff: 29 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire | Confers: fire | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: -8 | Attacks: 3d6 breath fire, 1d10 touch fire, 4d7 hug fire | Alignment: -9 | Flags: flies, thick hide, oviparous, poisonous, stalker, infravisible 12:27 there should be a shiny charizard too 12:27 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:33020 12:27 or foil or w/e you call it in english 12:27 1 in 8192 monsters in slex are shiny 12:27 'holo' apparently 12:27 oh 12:27 <@luxidream> shiny != holofoil 12:27 shiny monsters in slex are fleecy-colored :D 12:28 <@luxidream> shiny is pokemon with different color palette, foil is holofoil trading card 12:28 oh i mean the holofoil 12:33 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 951 points, T:2061, killed by a boulder 12:33 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Elf Mal Neu), 73 points, T:69, killed by a falling rock 12:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Bar Orc Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (barbarians), on T:20964 12:35 woah Amy what just happened 12:35 I'm all of a sudden level teleported with no message 12:35 confused 12:36 nothing hit me, I was examining an enemy 12:38 teleported horizontally or vertically? 12:40 this vtuber is trying to beat sans in genocide route for like 30 hours now 12:40 its excrutiation 12:40 !who 12:40 K2: [hdf-us] SkydiveMike [nh370] Leggman [nh370] quervo1 [nh370] arnibald [dnh] kelvin [fh] Ardub [xnh] | [hdf-eu] amateurhour [slex] Merlek [dnh] luisjo [slshm] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:40 she stays determined 12:40 from spider caves to main dungeon 12:40 amateurhour: banishment maybe? :D 12:40 spider caves was on like dlvl 33, I ended up dlvl 26 12:41 !instantreplay amateurhour 12:41 but there was no message at all to indicate it, and I was farlooking 12:41 well I'd need to look at the ttyrec then 12:42 just converted an altar I'd forgotten about so maybe it did me a favour 12:42 gotta get holy water again 12:42 but first, a cuppa 12:43 a cuppa of holy water 12:43 give me the ttyrec :P oh well, I guess I'll just look for it myself 12:45 -!- mode/Beholder [+RZi] by Beholder 12:45 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ SlashTHEM 0.9.5 now available to play! 12:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 12:45 !ping 12:45 K2: Pong! 12:45 !goat K2 12:45 amateurhour's goat runs up and kicks K2 in the face! Baaaaaa! 12:45 \o/ 12:45 okay the important commands are still working 12:46 !8ball does amateurhour like goats? 12:46 K2: Outlook not so good 12:46 so you hate goats 12:47 they're like weird sheep, just get a sheep they're cuter 12:47 sheep aren't actually that cute 12:47 sheep can be nasty 12:47 they taste good though 12:48 amateurhour: it was the haunted spider's weeping attack that levelported you, and due to a bug you got another turn before you actually got levelported 12:48 ah 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:14767 12:49 not sure if I fixed that in 2.70 yet, but if not, I should do so 12:50 if it delays 2.70 it's probs not worth it, we gotta get that noobarian out to the world 12:50 and the ice queen realm 12:51 nah it should be an easy fix 12:54 sheep are actually cute though 12:56 -!- aoei is now known as Stella 12:56 !setmintc 0 12:57 Stella: [hdf-au][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for stella set to 0 12:57 -!- Stella is now known as aoei 12:58 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 13:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8122 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:40219 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40221 13:06 -!- aoei is now known as Stella 13:06 !setmintc 1 13:06 Stella: [hdf-au][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for stella set to 1 13:07 -!- Stella is now known as aoei 13:07 was magic missile nerfed a lot? 13:08 amateurhour: it does deal less damage than before, which is the case for basically all attack spells 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2822 13:08 had to make sure the attack wands don't become useless just because you have the corresponding spell :P 13:09 I spammed it at a crappy fungus or whatever and it just wouldn't die 13:09 @le?crappy fungus 13:09 crappy fungus (F) | Lvl: 10 | Diff: 12 | Spd: 4 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 50 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 0d4 passive skill-reduce, 5d4 touch skill-reduce | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, breathless, mindless, vegan 13:09 like used p much all my pw 13:09 it helps to back a monster against a wall so it also gets hit by the rebound 13:09 half of the zaps had rebound 13:09 then it moved into the middle of the room 13:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Stella (Mon Hum Fem Law), 490 points, T:709, [0:02:29], killed by a wounded dwarf 13:10 ok so that part works lool 13:15 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 13:15 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1545 13:16 killed shelob and girtab but no livelogging for eu atm 13:16 waaaaaat 13:16 but gj on getting those trophies :) 13:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1590 points, T:2616, [0:05:21], quit 13:17 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Asu Mal Law) killed Shelob, on T: something 13:17 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Asu Mal Law) killed Girtab, on T: something 13:17 huh. Lux got the entered Sokoban message but I didn't 13:17 i am confused 13:17 <@luxidream> wait 13:18 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:18 <@luxidream> why didn't it livelog time on soko entry 13:18 good question, it did in my tests 13:18 was your game older than the update? 13:18 wtf is up 13:18 <@luxidream> I got 35 second minetown 13:19 your MT wasn't livelogged but your sokoban was 13:19 wat 13:19 something real janky is going on 13:19 <@luxidream> I don't know what my mintc is 13:20 oh right that could have been it 13:20 <@luxidream> might be like 1k or something 13:20 <@luxidream> but it did not report time for my soko entry which is weird 13:20 yeah it should have reported that 13:20 i am also confused 13:22 i will double check my local tests incase i messed something up and caused a regression right after i had everything nice 13:23 god damn stop levelporting meeee 13:23 @@le?flickering spider 13:23 flickering spider ~5~ flickweb spider (s) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 14 | Spd: 15 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 0 | Attacks: 5d4 bite illusion | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, conceals, oviparous, poisonous 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 8434 points, T:4099, killed by a vampire bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:23 tf is 'illusion' 13:23 jeez i think i totally did too 13:23 illusion does random things, randomillusionattack() or something from rnd.c 13:23 cuz it's not wrking on local now either >.< 13:23 mostly annoying attack types, can also roll banishment 13:24 can't ascend in under 200k turns if I have to spend 199k turns running through the same floors over and over 13:24 pity 13:25 as I said, if you exceed the limit, the game just becomes harder 13:25 but you can still ascend 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:22261 13:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:9, killed by a falling object 13:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:36599 13:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:16480 13:27 did you make it impossible to get intrinsics from F? 13:27 or am I just unlucky 13:27 brb dinner 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:40788 13:28 lol why would I do that :P due to you never eating non-F, you probably never saw the generally reduced odds of getting intrinsics from corpses 13:29 lux: ok false alarm my local tests do still work 13:30 <@luxidream> but doesn't work on hdf 13:30 <@luxidream> sadge 13:31 yeah idk whats up with that 13:32 Juiblex' Lair is no longer NoTele after i killed Juiblex 13:32 That is quite new, right? 13:33 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1425 13:33 3.7.0-27 13:33 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 968 points, T:1547, [0:02:54], killed by an uninjured hill orc called Stenno of stennotown 13:34 3.7 is a very good variant and orctown was the best addition ever (y) 13:34 * aosdict screenshots 13:34 APic: as of february 2020 13:34 a year ago is quite new considering the lifetime of nethack 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Chromatic Dragon, on T:18270 13:35 ktnx 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18308 13:36 so what's it reduced to for F? 13:36 it was already really low for them 13:36 amateurhour: loooooool :P same as for other monsters 13:36 -!- talkingleaf has joined #hardfought 13:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:37 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:37 ? 13:38 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Client Quit] 13:38 well you implied that it was somehow different for F compared to other monsters, so I told you that the chance is still the same regardless of monster type (just lower than in vanilla) 13:38 like say in vanilla brown mold has 3% chance of giving cold res 13:38 generally the chance to get intrinsics from a corpse is about three times lower, and capped at 75% so even a level 100 monster isn't guaranteed to give it 13:38 oh great, managed to polymorph my stash-box. at least i got a stethoscope now :P 13:38 what does that change to in slex? 1%? 13:38 amateurhour: roughly 1%, yeah 13:39 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 13:39 but it's still possible, right? or could there be a nasty rounding error or something 13:39 well I got cold res from a level 0 uncool goblin a couple days ago 13:40 I wish I had those artifact sexy flats that gave extrinsic cold and fire res 13:40 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2853 13:40 LarienTelrunya: it's great that you finally see the light 13:41 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3348 13:41 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3365 13:41 „Your magic lamp catches on fire!“ 13:41 What the Heck? 13:41 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1881 points, T:3765, [0:06:11], killed by an uninjured fire ant 13:42 (After getting a Tower of Flame on a Trap) 13:43 <@riker> slex? 13:43 <@riker> !who 13:43 @riker: [hdf-us] Leggman [nh370] shadowrider38 [nh370] Karnac [nh370] CropperS [nh370] efw [nh370] arnibald [dnh] kelvin [fh] AlleyOop [xnh] karibou [evil] coplate [evil] hothraxxa [evil] | [hdf-eu] APic [nh370] SeamusMcRed [nh370] Merlek [dnh] luisjo [slshm] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:43 @riker: my guess is "weird variant is weird" 13:43 <@riker> oh no that's vanilla 13:43 <@riker> LMAO 13:43 yeah told you :P 13:43 <@riker> 3.7, truly the weirdest variant of them all 13:44 luxidream: hdf-us isn't running latest version 13:44 Aaah, the Lamp is now just lit 13:44 Unix NetHack Version 3.7.0-31 Work-in-progress - last build Sun Feb 28 17:41:59 2021 (35a6e4afa21fe3842be32cdf97633b21fbfe708c,branch:setseed-hdf). <-- that's from my dumplog 13:44 * APic feared something worse 😉 13:44 Unix NetHack Version 3.7.0-31 Work-in-progress - last build Sat Feb 6 18:51:54 2021 (453b9de589ea37f86dda7015a1bbdc64a0bac284,branch:setseed-hdf). 13:44 that's in yours 13:45 i.e. my duplog on eu I mean 13:45 <@riker> that's such an awful message apic 13:45 <@riker> "your lamp is set alight!" would be better imo? bit awkward tho 13:45 <@luxidream> ah ok 13:45 Indeed 13:45 the death bit works because xlogfiles already contain realtime so updating beholder was enough 13:45 <@luxidream> so update should fix? 13:46 but Beholder on eu is still broken I think, so I can't test the new livelogging until either Beholder EU is up and running, or K2 updates setseed on US 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased rustproof fireproof +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:6 13:47 yeah i think it's gonna be fine 13:47 I don't always drink from fountains, but when I do... 13:47 i *thought* k2 said he updated all servers but it looks like us isn't updated 13:47 he'll be back in a bit 13:47 im sure its all gon be fine 13:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 206 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:36836 13:50 <{Demo}2> aosdict: why did you let zruty back in? 13:50 <{Demo}2> did you figure out how to make it interesting? 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:297 13:50 justice for zruties! 13:50 we play, we say, zruty for president 13:50 TODAY 13:51 omg is that really true? a stupid removal was reverted? yaaaaaay 13:52 <@luxidream> @le?zruty 13:52 zruty (Y) | Lvl: 9 | Diff: 11 | Spd: 8 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 3 | Attacks: 3d4 claw physical, 3d4 claw physical, 3d6 bite physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, infravisible 13:52 <{Demo}2> zrutighetous 13:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 1485 points, T:2612, killed by a piranha 13:53 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 816 points, T:1294, killed by a dwarf 13:54 You see here a newt corpse. KAABLAMM!!! You triggered a land mine! 13:54 :D 13:54 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 56 points, T:73, killed by a dart 13:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:82623 13:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:16721 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:19063 14:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:19084 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 371 points, T:795, killed by a nearly deceased giant bat 14:05 omg I suddenly remember what I dreamed last night! I dreamed that there was a monster attack that makes random pieces of the player's worn equipment heavier 14:05 so getting hit often enough by that would mean you'd get burdened even by normally-lightweight items 14:05 i am almost ready for strim 14:05 5 - 10 min 14:06 incase anybdoy feel like wathcing me try to speedrun monk lol 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:19376 14:06 {Demo}2: revisited commit messages and the only justification I could find was the greater scope "get monsters off punctuation" crusade 14:09 I mean, sure I acknowledged they were uninteresting which is why they were chosen, but it didn't seem like the logic went "remove them, oh hey now there's a free mlet" 14:09 it was "I need a free mlet, what can be cut out" 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 500 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:19676 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:19696 14:13 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 14:13 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Client Quit] 14:14 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 14:15 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 205 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:19874 14:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Dwa Mal Neu) had a dwarvish spear entrusted to him by Camaxtli, on T:17199 14:17 <@princessSpicycat> {Demo}2 tell us about brevishack 14:17 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:21 {Demo}2 also tell me about notdnethack for the variant history chart. what were its release versions in 2018/19/20 14:25 What is thickhack? I've heard Tone mention this variant, but haven't found it anywhere 14:25 [hdf-us] [fh] waits (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the ghost of nelli, the former Evoker, on T:13800 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:20613 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:20615 14:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:41553 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed drum of earthquake", on T:20747 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:20749 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:20754 14:32 [hdf-us] [fh] waits (kelvin) (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the ghost of Eiop, the former Thaumaturge, on T:14122 14:33 thickhack? 14:33 Yah 14:33 I assume that's what's being said 14:33 <@You Could Do Worse> WHA 14:33 I couldn't find any variant that sounded like that 14:33 oh if you heard him say it on stream, you probably want FIQHack 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed crystal ball", on T:20786 14:33 AH! 14:33 <@You Could Do Worse> hello 14:33 Hello @You Could Do Worse, Welcome to #hardfought 14:33 Yes, that would be it 14:33 Thank you 14:33 Whatup YCDW 14:34 <@You Could Do Worse> wtf is happeining 14:34 beep boop boop beep 14:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Mon Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2046 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinator, on T:6627 14:35 aosdict Kaaaaay Elllll Effffffff 14:35 @You Could Do Worse you are talking to IRC channel via a discord bridge 14:36 specifically #hardfought IRC channel on freenode 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:20850 14:36 <@luxidream> THIQ, any comments? 14:36 Yah 14:37 You're hanging out with some of the raddest dudes on the internet 14:37 THIQ looks dope so far 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Roamer, on T:20997 14:39 thicchack? 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:19224 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:21086 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:21090 14:40 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 14:40 <@luxidream> featuring monster player symmetry in the best way possible 14:41 <@luxidream> 👀 14:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3045 14:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:21323 14:47 sounds ominous 14:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Mon Hum Fem Law), 6665 points, T:4139, killed by a wounded forest centaur 14:52 calling my variant thickhack huh 14:52 that's a new one 14:53 THICC 14:53 are you using thicc binaries? 14:53 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1332 points, T:1865, killed by a nearly deceased giant spider 14:54 rip 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed unicorn horn", on T:22951 15:00 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 15:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) was given Hellrider's Saddle, on T:30719 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:22965 15:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:22966 15:03 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 15:03 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:23132 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed cockatrice corpse", on T:23148 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:23248 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:23261 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:23281 15:12 finally found the space base 15:12 it's on medusa's 15:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Cav Dwa Mal Cha), 595692 points, T:23281, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/CropperS/nethack/dumplog/1614476041.nh.html 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:22985 15:15 gratz CropperS 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had a large shield entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:37749 15:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3887 15:21 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Asu Mal Law) killed Miriam, on T:59703 15:21 oh the livelogs are back? 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:83694 15:24 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) had an axe entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:37909 15:25 -!- Kevkat has joined #hardfought 15:26 woot 15:26 what do you reckon a 5 posing as a boulder could be? 15:27 some sort of high-level mimic maybe 15:27 I kinda want to find out but also don't want to die 15:27 <{Demo}2> a megamimic 15:27 -!- yanah has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 15:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Mon Hum Fem Law), 6563 points, T:4887, killed by a wounded owlbear 15:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Wayfarer, on T:25115 15:30 Not sure where's the best place to report this - saved a game on nh370 last night and today the save is gone.  No idea what happened.  Is it just gone for good or can someone look up what happened? 15:30 what's the username? might be possible to see recording 15:31 hi 15:31 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 15:32 Kevkat is the right handle in game looks like 15:32 ttyrec looks normal 15:32 Yes the username is Kevkat. 15:32 Kevkat your game is there 15:33 fire it up 15:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:50789 15:36 Hi 15:36 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 15:36 i see you Kevkat 15:36 I just tried (under hterm) and it's still asking me for a new character... 15:36 Greetings Amy 15:36 i see you in game 15:36 oh i see 15:36 hmm you have a saved game for edit level 30 15:36 I'm not in the game, I'm at the new character prompt.  It didn't save my game. 15:36 but its taking you to edit level 31 15:37 Should I quit? 15:37 BUT in the watch menu i see you on dlvl 30 in edit level 30 15:37 no 15:37 one sec 15:37 OK.  Thank you! 15:38 <@luxidream> K2 that happens when I have a game on an earlier edit level, hangup the connection, and try to restart 15:38 there might be a hung process 15:38 dgl cfg looks good 15:38 !whereis Kevkat 15:38 K2: [hdf-us] Kevkat [nh370]: (Xxx Xxx Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: -1 15:38 I don't remember the dlvl but I was about to take on Rodney. 15:38 hah never seen that one 15:39 Kevkat go ahead and get out of dgl completely please 15:39 OK completely disconnected. 15:41 yo Umbire 15:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) averted death, on T:34338 15:41 I'll actually go to sleep shortly 15:43 no hung processes 15:43 no holdover game files for Kevkat 15:43 !lastgame kevkat 15:43 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/K/Kevkat/nethack/dumplog/1610404754.nh.html 15:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] SeamusMcRed (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 109159 points, T:27341, petrified by a wounded cockatrice 15:43 Sleep well when you do 15:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 462387 points, T:34482, killed by an invisible storm giant 15:44 nothing for .31 that shows any activity for kevkat at all, its all .30 15:44 !lastgame SeamusMcRed 15:44 Umbire: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/SeamusMcRed/nethack/dumplog/1614372089.nh.html 15:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1687 points, T:2494, killed by a bolt of fire 15:44 think I'm going to die here amy 15:44 this death is bs really 15:44 Someone else what forgot to wear their gloves 15:45 amateurhour: wtf how did they give you such a beating? 15:45 the zombie prostitute kicked me in the nuts, caused paralysis that seems to be eternal 15:45 and terminal illness 15:45 and every subsequent attack appears to cause another effect 15:45 complete BS 15:45 also 15:46 I just looked up my ttyrec and I was on dlvl39 if that helps.  I had been all the way to the bottom at one point. 15:46 I am wearing ring of free action 15:46 i'm not seeing anything weird or out of place 15:46 cfgs are good 15:46 I was also nearly at full hp when all that happened 15:46 Kevkat try one more time please 15:46 what's the point of playing well if that happens 15:46 heh, I'll have to look at the ttyrec of that 15:46 Trying now... 15:46 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Asu Mal Law), 1817174 points, T:61041, killed by a monster (vampire), while mesmerized by a pair of sexy leather boots 15:46 Sounds absolutely demoralizing :/ 15:46 damn 15:46 wtf is going on 15:46 Nope still prompting for a new character. 15:46 !lastgame amateurhour with sexy leather boots 15:46 LarienTelrunya: No last game for (amateurhour,with). 15:47 !lastgame amateurhour 15:47 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/evilhack/dumplog/1589035969.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1614433332.slex.txt 15:47 honestly thought that was going to be the run 15:47 I had free action 15:47 * Umbire offers amateurhour a hug 15:47 rip 15:47 :| 15:48 this is what shows via watch menu though 15:48 i) Kevkat nh370.30 111x 36 2021-02-28 20:46:41 1m 8s 0 D39 15:48 Go Team Prostitute! 15:48 @le?zombie prostitute 15:48 zombie prostitute (Z) | Lvl: 11 | Diff: 17 | Spd: 12 | Res: cold sleep poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 20 | Generates: special | AC: -2 | Attacks: 1d10 weapon disease, 1d10 kick item steal | Alignment: -5 | Flags: genocidable, omnivore, breathless, mindless, poisonous, undead, stalker 15:48 watch the ttyrec and tell me what I could have done 15:48 :/ 15:48 yeah shortly, have to push a couple new slex commits first 15:50 @K2 well, I saved on dlvl39 so that seems to match.  I was just outside of Rodney's room.  Some kind of odd bug? 15:50 okay, commits pushed, now I'll take a look at the ttyrec 15:50 yeah i've never seen this happen before 15:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) genocided class L, on T:25329 15:50 ever 15:50 [hdf-us] [un] richards (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1676 points, T:2280, killed by a watch captain 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:25330 15:51 I had been playing this game for a few weeks.  Could something have updated and corrupted my file? 15:52 no 15:52 this is an older edit level version 15:53 gonna watch your last good ttyrec see if any clues are there 15:53 there's no clues, just looks like ordinary saving 15:54 OK thanks. 15:54 amateurhour yup 15:54 Kevkat how do you connect to hardfought to play 15:55 amateurhour: your death looks to me like you just got extremely unlucky RNG; the paralysis would have lasted for five turns total but you died after three 15:55 could it be that your update to dgl lost the record of which edit level their on 15:55 they're* etc 15:55 amateurhour no i checked, dgl conf is good 15:55 Through Microsoft edge through hterm. 15:55 Kevkat mind trying something different? 15:56 that zombie soloed me 15:56 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 15:56 the vampire got one hit in at the end but it was all that zombie 15:56 stenno1 I didn't know there was a discord bridge to this channel? How do I use that? 15:56 it's on the roguelikes discord server, a channel there 15:56 ^ 15:56 Kevkat? 15:57 Sorry yes, I can try. 15:57 ok great 15:57 go ahead and get out of hterm completely 15:57 open up a command prompt 15:57 type this at the prompt: 15:57 ssh nethack@hardfought.org 15:57 then hit enter 15:57 OK hang on. 15:58 if it asks you about trusting a particular ssh key, answer yes 15:58 yup no rush 15:58 Joining right now 15:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Oona, on T:51889 15:59 OK logged in should I start the game now? 15:59 please 15:59 Same thing - asking to roll a new character. 15:59 ok log out 15:59 this is bizarre 16:00 so we can rule out any hterm shenanigans 16:00 <@deathsushi> Oh sweet, this rules 16:01 <@deathsushi> +rld on the IRC channel then means that someone's chattign via the bridge, is that correct? 16:01 yep 16:01 <@deathsushi> And someone being listed as "BOT" in the discord channel, presumably means someone is logged in via IRC 16:01 and discord side we just appear as bots which is pretty neato 16:01 <@deathsushi> That's awesome 16:01 <@deathsushi> Thanks for this 16:01 all the cool kids hang out on irc tho 16:01 :) 16:01 :D 16:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:02 <@deathsushi> !lastgame nabru 16:02 @deathsushi: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1614537987.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1605872855.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 16:02 Logged out. 16:02 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 16:03 i've double-checked all of the cfgs 16:03 everything is correct 16:03 if it werent, i would have heard about a problema long time ago from several players... 16:03 isn't the watch menu going by the whereis file? 16:04 * K2 is thinking/typing out loud 16:04 lemme check something 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:44494 16:04 I figured you would, I was kind of hoping it was something simple....  no such luck I suppose. 16:04 when prompting for a new character, the whereis file hasn't been updated, yet, or am I mistaken? 16:05 it hasnt 16:05 Amy how do I get double free action 16:05 plus there's no leftover whereis file for kevkat for .30 16:05 because that kind of BS para scenario has gotten me quite a few times 16:05 amateurhour: guess :P 16:05 be the one race that gets intrinsic free action? 16:06 certain roles and races get that, yeah, or eat a ring of free action and get very lucky 16:06 but, this particular attack bypasses free action anyway 16:06 .......... 16:06 lol 16:06 load of piss 16:06 there was a stale one for Kevkat for .31 16:06 that attack is busted, it's the same thing that the tiny asian girl did 16:06 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:39251 16:06 but that's not uncommon 16:07 some weak mon soloes a pretty much ascension ready character 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Val Gia Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39253 16:07 because they have some shoes 16:07 nah, the asian girl was using leather peep-toes, the zombie prostitute had hippie heels instead which can cause a wide variety of bad effects, one of which being paralysis 16:07 in the .30 save foler, the backup save is written as he exits the game, but the actual game file is never loaded 16:07 *folder 16:09 okay then those two attacks are busted instead of just one :P 16:09 is compressed? with the usual extension? or with a different one that dgl doesn't know about? 16:10 no its all same 16:10 i'm testing an old game with my test account 16:10 one sec 16:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1091 16:11 huh, i'm seeing same behavior 16:11 with my test account 16:11 even though i have a valid .30 game, its going straight to .31 16:12 * K2 starts looking over dgl conf again 16:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:52504 16:14 <@deathsushi> Do leather gloves and regular helmets (identified as foo gloves and foo helmet) count towards magic items for the purposes of polypiling? 16:14 <@deathsushi> Eg, fencing gloves 16:14 <@malor> Go Merlek Just keep playing tight and you have got this. Don’t risk melee with “star spawn” And don’t go near Cthulhu at all 16:15 Uh, no, don't think they do 16:15 <@deathsushi> Okay 16:15 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3403 16:15 I'm still around but will be afk so might not respond right away. 16:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3640 16:16 no worries, thanks for your patience 16:16 malor: ok, noted :) (and probably forgotten soon :P) 16:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2678 points, T:3250, quit 16:16 <@malor> You won’t forget if you do either one. 🙂 16:16 ok tiem for luxistrim 16:16 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3822 16:17 malor: haha yeah that's what i'm afraid of :D 16:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3932 16:18 alright amateurhour I took the time to write a synopsis: https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1614433332.slex.txt - enjoy :) it gives the grim details of how you died 16:18 arrrrrrrgh 16:18 yeah I'm tired and gave the wrong link. https://pastebin.com/raw/Z66xbFwG is the right one 16:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2477 16:19 oh shit 16:19 i see what happened 16:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:26570 16:20 ok 16:20 fixable 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinator, on T:12987 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:6579 16:21 "amateurhour falls in love with zombie prostitute's incredibly erotic footwear and is unable to move" and then it's basically game over 16:21 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4993 16:21 <{Demo}2> tl;dr, slex is bullshit 16:21 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5048 16:22 don't play to win it anyway 16:22 this explains livelog changes to setseed not working 16:22 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3280 16:22 install script wasnt edited between setseed and nh370-30 16:22 . 16:23 D: ? 16:23 it was installed in the wrong place? 16:23 yup 16:23 fixing 16:24 i know infinigon has the right edits for sysconf, i dont think i ever shared with him the edits for the install script 16:24 i made an assumption :) 16:24 oop 16:24 :) 16:24 let me know what patch to apply, i can apply it 16:26 i will 16:26 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3904 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:13744 16:28 (reading back through the scroll) ...  sounds promising! 16:28 amateurhour: I think there is actually a bug. the high heel attacks are landing way more often than they're supposed to 16:28 will have to investigate when I find the time 16:29 I'M NOT CRAZY 16:29 woooooo 16:29 👁 16:29 really going to bed now though, good night! 16:29 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:29 sleep well, seeya 16:29 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7007 16:30 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Adept, on T:7012 16:31 this will take awhile to fix, i'm extracting a backup from 1.5 days ago (tar.gz) 16:31 ^ that's the bit that will take the longest 16:33 OK sounds good.  I'll be in and out for awhile.  Thanks for your help! 16:34 How does that affect other players' games if at all? 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7453 16:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:17693 16:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 33586 points, T:14863, killed by an uninjured ogre 16:38 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:11229 16:39 <@deathsushi> Where can I look up if an item is magical or not on the wiki? I'm looking at worm tooth, but can't tell 16:39 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:11593 16:40 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Magical_item 16:40 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:11654 16:40 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5818 16:40 assuming that's what you meant 16:42 Kevkat if you're around, give it a go now 16:42 my test game works 16:43 K2: so what was the issu 16:44 <@deathsushi> Thank you amateurhour 16:44 when i 'updated' setseed a few hours ago, the install script pulled everything into the nh370.30 folder instead of setseed 16:45 so that 1) broke any games on edit level .30 and 2) setseed isnt really updated 16:45 by broke i mean they just wouldnt load 16:45 games are fine 16:45 install script updates i made locally got wiped when i did a git pull 16:46 wasnt paying attention 16:46 i blame amateurhour 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 793037 points, T:84911, killed by Yeenoghu 16:46 oof 16:46 always blame a-hour 16:47 ^ good rule to follow 16:47 I blame Thatcher 16:47 hey wasn't always-blame-amateurhour-day last week? 16:47 amateurhour: no its every day every week forever 16:47 didnt you read the small print? 16:48 Hi aoei 16:48 yo 16:48 K2: So I'm guessing other non-3.7 games were always safe to resume then? 16:48 yup 16:49 easy fix just a pain to get things right 16:49 trying now... 16:49 It worked!  Thank you!  Now I'm going ot have to resave it for later but I'm glad it's back! 16:50 \o/ 16:50 sorry for the hassle Kevkat 16:50 No problem, I'm just glad you could fix it. 16:50 Awesome 16:51 I guess I should hurry up and ascend this character in case anything else happens! :) 16:51 K2: so is it sorted now 16:51 err...TRY to ascend. :) 16:51 all cool 16:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] AlleyOop (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:27737 16:53 aoei well nh370.30 on hdf-us is 16:53 i still need to fix it on eu and au 16:53 and then update setseed proper on all three 16:53 ahh ok i see 16:53 <@deathsushi> Is there a place on the wiki to show me what benefits I get from upgrading a particular spell skill? 16:53 I don't think anything else should affect your game Kevkat 16:53 rewriting the install script for setseed from scratch 16:53 K2 doesn't often break stuff 16:53 yeah Kevkat is good to go 16:54 !who 16:54 K2: [hdf-us] Deathsushi [nh370] Grouchy [nh370] efw [nh370] Leggman [nh370] SkydiveMike [nh370] Qwesti [nh370] oh6 [nh370] dgoddard [zapm] KrO2 [dnh] kelvin [fh] AlleyOop [xnh] Luxidream [seed] | [hdf-eu] AlbertB [nh370] Merlek [dnh] tkirkby [dnh] mobileuser [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:54 @Deathsushi That depends on the spell you're upgrading it for 16:54 @luxidream mind saving real quick? 16:54 I'm not worried. :)  I'm guessing my own incompetence is my worst enemy now. 16:54 Not all spells in a given school change from Basic to Skilled 16:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:54712 16:54 <@deathsushi> Umbire: Right, I was just hoping to see which did 16:54 <@deathsushi> Like "Upgrading this skill, will have benefits with these spells" 16:55 You want to look up the spell itself then 16:55 <@deathsushi> But let's take sleep for example 16:55 <@deathsushi> Where would I see any kind of benefit? 16:55 <@deathsushi> (listed) 16:55 he saved K2 16:55 ok 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:19762 16:56 ok setseed is updated on hdf-us 16:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:54789 16:56 [hdf-us] [seed] omghax (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 16:56 Pog 16:56 ^aoei 16:56 that's what it should read :) 16:56 \o/ 16:56 unless you set a seed in your cfg 16:56 <@nabru> Yay! 16:56 in which case it should show the seed 16:56 cool 16:58 !tell infinigon please update the install-to-chroot.sh file on the setseed-hdf branch with this please - https://termbin.com/gj9u 16:58 No worries, K2, I've got this! 16:58 [hdf-us] [seed] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: nabrurocks] 16:58 You'd see it on the article for the sleep spell 16:58 If it has any 16:58 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:7656 16:58 @Deathsushi 16:58 Tommo try new game 16:59 well not necessarily quit nad start again 16:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Merlek (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:54907 17:00 <@deathsushi> Umbire: Got it — okay, thanks 17:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof spellbook of finger of death", on T:46464 17:00 oh eu server already good to go 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:8662 17:01 python thing sorted? 17:01 yes 17:01 from a few hrs ago 17:02 sweet 17:03 au server is good too 17:03 looks like it was just on hdf-us that the setseed install script was borked 17:03 weird 17:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:03 yay less work 17:04 <@nabru> 🥳 17:04 i didn't get the entered dungeon livelog, but may have messed up by using !setmintc 17:04 !setmintc Stella 17:04 K2: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for stella removed. 17:04 ok cool but 17:05 dont use 0 at the end 17:05 i also didn't get death report 17:05 ah ok 17:05 i try again 17:05 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: Nappstablook] 17:05 wahey 17:05 nice 17:05 thx K2 17:05 <3 hugs 17:05 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Ixoth, on T:17722, rt[0:55:26] 17:05 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:17728, rt[0:55:26] 17:06 this is really cool aoei, good job 17:06 :D 17:07 yay aoei 17:09 <@deathsushi> What are you guys working on? 17:12 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:19955, rt[1:02:59] 17:12 ATT stuff 17:12 the [seed] messages you're seeing livelogged is basically a version of 3.7 that has the rng pre-seeded deathsushi 17:13 aoei worked on the logged messages having the realtime spent so it can be used for challenges in an event that goes on every so often 17:13 <@deathsushi> Oh got it 17:13 <@deathsushi> So you choose a seed and then everyone gets the exact same game 17:14 yeah i also added a "entered the Dungeons of Doom" livelog 17:14 so based on IRC logs you can work out wallclock times too 17:14 <@deathsushi> That's cool 17:14 <@deathsushi> Makes way more sense for a tournament that way 17:14 <@deathsushi> No winning with random RNG 17:14 <@nabru> Now someone has to create a database of interesting seeds 17:14 you could implement proof of stake by finding a seed which generates a wand of wishing on the D1 upstairs :D 17:14 <@deathsushi> lol stenno1 17:15 and at death or win, if the player saved at all it'll show both rt and wc time on the death/asc reported to chan 17:15 i.e. if they differ it should show both 17:15 but only for end of game 17:15 blockchain stuff has infected my mind after i did some research 17:15 <@deathsushi> Is there anything against that happening? /ow can only generated at certain levels right? 17:15 the rest just show the realtime 17:16 <@nabru> /oW can happen randomly 17:16 @deathsushi it can very well be generated on D1 upstairs 17:16 <@nabru> I've had games where a /oW appeared e.g. in the mines 17:16 BilldaCat had t1 WoW once 17:16 autopickup on the upstairs on dl1 17:16 chriss67 too 17:16 K2: done 17:16 infinigon: Message from K2 at 2021-02-28 16:58 EST: please update the install-to-chroot.sh file on the setseed-hdf branch with this please - https://termbin.com/gj9u 17:16 I've found one on D:1, and then it's just down to the player not to drop the ball 17:16 <@deathsushi> I love going through Fort Ludios with conflict 17:16 <@deathsushi> The Royal Rumble 17:16 thanks infinigon 17:16 i think i found a wow on D:1 once - but that was i already had the ammy and was ready to enter the planes 17:17 stenno1: LOL 17:17 didn't explore the first level fully so i overlooked it 17:17 that's a story tho 17:17 xD 17:17 <@nabru> The problem is that an early /oW might mean I get overly confident 17:17 yeah early wow makes me uncomfortable 17:17 <@nabru> "I have -20 AC early in the game? I am indestructible" 17:17 <@deathsushi> Haha yes 17:17 still only 30 HP and no poison res 17:17 <@deathsushi> *killed by poison dart 17:17 <@nabru> Killed by team a 17:17 Played one, won one, so from this extensive sample size I conclude I'm not prone to overconfidence :-) 17:18 <@nabru> Fell into a pit with poisoned spikes 17:18 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:20760, rt[1:06:50] 17:19 When it happened to me I spent one of the wishes on an AOLS but perhaps poison resistance would have been a better call 17:19 also @deathsushi idk how practical setseed is for a larger tournament but its neat for racing with a small number of contestants 17:20 yeah blessed tin of green dragon meat 17:20 <@deathsushi> aoei Why wouldn't it be practical? 17:20 <@deathsushi> Just boring? 17:21 maybe that xD 17:21 idk could be interesting to try it out at some point 17:21 <@nabru> Usually I find that an AoLS is not really worth a wish 17:21 <@nabru> Because I tend to play carelessly while using one 17:21 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 holy charging", on T:21494, rt[1:11:54] 17:22 <@deathsushi> I feel like I'd rather have AoR? 17:22 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:21495, rt[1:11:54] 17:22 put on the amulet, but play as if you don't have it :P 17:22 <@deathsushi> That presumably would save my life plenty of times? 17:22 <@nabru> I like an amulet of flight 17:22 You get at least four wishes; you can have MR and reflection and you still have two wishes left over 17:22 <@nabru> It means I don't have to worry about pits or trap doors 17:23 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 58313 points, T:10212, rt[1:17:12], wc[1:18:06], drowned in a moat by a giant eel 17:23 :c 17:23 oof rip tommo 17:23 <@nabru> Also, it's harder to destroy than a ring of levitation 17:23 gg 17:23 <@nabru> rip 17:23 okay lets see this fancy timer thing 17:23 i made good time tho! 17:23 castle at 1:15 is p good for me 17:23 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:24 nice one tommo 17:24 yeah well played tommo 17:24 <@nabru> !lastgame tommo 17:24 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tommo/setseed/dumplog/1614546314.seed.html 17:25 [hdf-us] [evil] KingGizzard (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 403 points, T:1837, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 17:26 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:22653, rt[1:17:07] 17:32 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "holy wand of polymorph", on T:23366, rt[1:21:04] 17:37 [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Mon Cen Fem Cha), 2428 points, T:2272, killed by a hobbit zombie 17:38 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:38 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 17:39 <@malor> The wall clock report feature is quite interesting Hopefully other variants pick up on some of the extra reporting “tech” 17:41 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:24401, rt[1:32:03] 17:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 15 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:24604, rt[1:32:36] 17:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 holy genocide", on T:24625, rt[1:32:52] 17:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:24626, rt[1:32:52] 17:42 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 17:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 10 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:24920, rt[1:34:22] 17:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 150 points, T:393, [0:01:25], killed by an uninjured newt 17:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 17:46 king gizzard and the lizard wizard 17:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25237, rt[1:36:52] 17:46 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:25245, rt[1:36:52] 17:47 <@deathsushi> What's the point of polypiling all of the non-magical armor you get in Fort Ludios? 17:47 <@deathsushi> Are you trying to end up with armor that is highly enchanted? 17:48 can get a tshirt from it 17:48 <@deathsushi> AH 17:48 <@deathsushi> Got it 17:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1284, rt[0:06:28] 17:51 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:26355, rt[1:42:13] 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3339 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3387 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3471 17:55 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1452, rt[0:06:28] 17:57 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:27101, rt[1:47:10] 17:57 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:27103, rt[1:47:10] 17:57 <@deathsushi> To get something out of a moat, are my steps: 17:57 <@deathsushi> 1. Freeze surround water 17:57 <@deathsushi> 2. Stand on ice 17:58 <@deathsushi> 3. Dig with pickaxe down 17:58 <@deathsushi> ? 17:58 yeah or fill moat with boulders works too 17:58 <@deathsushi> And then dig down? 17:58 yeah 17:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:3609 18:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:27482, rt[1:48:44] 18:01 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:27699, rt[1:51:10] 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:26528 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Enchantress, on T:26608 18:05 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by an uninjured Elvenqueen), on T:28618, rt[1:55:58] 18:08 [hdf-us] [seed] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: rougelike] 18:08 <@Eternal Guardian> It's spelled roguelike. 18:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:29203, rt[1:58:43] 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4166 18:10 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5370, rt[0:25:26] 18:10 lol nice nabru 18:11 :D 18:11 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:30125, rt[2:02:07] 18:11 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:13 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "holy fixed greased +2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:30825, rt[2:04:16] 18:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:8712 18:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:31904, rt[2:07:49] 18:20 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:32270, rt[2:10:15] 18:21 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:32292, rt[2:11:18] 18:21 <@deathsushi> Gogogo 18:21 <@nabru> gogogo luxidream! 18:24 lestipence 18:25 hey the victory message has't played yet 18:25 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1275298 points, T:32306, rt[2:12:10], wc[2:13:18], ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/setseed/dumplog/1614546487.seed.html 18:26 realtime and wallclock 18:26 <@luxidream> why is there a discrepancy 18:26 guess it was that quick save in the middle 18:26 when you were asked 18:26 <@luxidream> oh yea 18:26 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7279, rt[0:39:27] 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3838 18:34 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Ran Orc Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:28481 18:34 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 18:34 thx for strim @luxidream 18:35 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28496 18:35 there is also a bug in the livelogged realtimes but infinigon figured out what it was and im gonna commit a patch that i've tested out, looks solid now 18:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:8162, rt[0:51:00] 18:35 <@luxidream> cool 18:35 <@luxidream> that game was tough 18:35 <@luxidream> didn't manage to sub 2h 18:36 still good tim etho 18:36 and u were streaming at hte same tim elol 18:37 <@luxidream> I'm tired now 18:37 <@luxidream> dunno how Tone streams for so long 😄 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:22721 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3881 18:37 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:37 i didnt stream very long today and i was already tired lol 18:38 you did a whole ascension 18:38 pog 18:38 -!- Kevkat has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:39 <@luxidream> in hindsight could've written some enchant armor probably 18:40 <@luxidream> but that wouldn't have been fun :p 18:40 idk if infinigon needs to do anything or if k2 can just pull this commit directly for the fix: https://gitlab.com/aoeixsz4/nh-setseed/-/commit/77ed56899e69061571279c749c1d069a9f527045 18:40 <@luxidream> how much is the rt off by 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:10408 18:40 one of your wishes was 3 minutes out 18:40 <@deathsushi> Man you play fast luxi 18:41 <@luxidream> I try deathsushi 18:41 <@luxidream> lol 18:41 <@deathsushi> 😄 18:41 i did a test run after making that fix and teh bot livelog and botl were within a second of each other 18:41 the old luxidream could have done that in 50 minutes blindfolded with 0 ac :( 18:41 <@luxidream> I think you were wondering how wizard was speedrun 18:41 <@luxidream> it looks kinda like that except wizard is way better obviously 18:41 wizard is the best class in the game 18:43 <@luxidream> they have the best role-specific benefits 18:43 <@luxidream> for actually staying alive probably midtier 18:43 yeah 18:43 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 30120 points, T:9146, [0:59:09], killed by a wounded soldier, while sleeping 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:10421 18:44 gg 18:44 <@luxidream> it's nice to not have to guess where people are now 18:44 <@luxidream> lol 18:45 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:45 my big difficulty with wizards is surviving the early game 18:45 <@deathsushi> What's changed there? 18:45 <@deathsushi> What's changed there? 18:45 special benefits of playing the seed fork 18:45 <@deathsushi> nabru: Same here 18:45 but yeah, later they become powerful 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2576 points, T:4019, killed by an uninjured watch captain, while praying 18:46 <@deathsushi> Lots of strategic playing to avoid being swarmed 18:46 <@deathsushi> rip Qwesti 18:47 also, one of the problems with wizards is that metal armor kills your spellcasting 18:47 <@luxidream> even without force bolt they are still better than like tourist or something 18:47 <@deathsushi> Yeah 18:47 <@deathsushi> luxiderp: true 18:47 <@luxidream> so I don't think they are terribly weak early on 18:47 <@deathsushi> They're just anything but a melee char 18:47 <@deathsushi> (obvi) 18:47 im afraid of mithril tho because i rely on force bolt a lot 18:47 <@luxidream> everyone is nethack is a melee character 18:47 <@deathsushi> That's an obvious statement, but takes a while to get used to 18:48 -!- yanah has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 18:49 <@luxidream> aoei: you can wear it if you have a decent weapon 18:49 <@luxidream> not always possible 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10547 18:49 i usually don't have a decent weapon 18:49 <@deathsushi> 😄 18:49 the staff isn't that bad if you can enchant it 18:49 <@deathsushi> Same 18:49 <@deathsushi> Feels bad spending enchants on it though 18:49 <@luxidream> nah 18:50 <@luxidream> you'll have more than enough later 18:50 and enchanting now might help you live long enough to enchant more stuff later 18:50 lol 18:50 <@deathsushi> I jumped into some pools of water to dillute my potions and forgot I had all my scrolls, in my BoH, still on me 18:50 <@luxidream> don't save for an imaginary "later in the game" that doesn't exist 18:50 <@deathsushi> That was a bad move 18:50 <@luxidream> don't save for an imaginary "later in the game" that doesn't exist 18:50 ^this 18:50 <@deathsushi> /Yah 18:50 this is a major secret for success in nethack 18:51 actually it works pretty well in real life too 18:51 lol hothraxxa 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:10970 18:51 sriously. one day i will write my book "life lessons from nethack" 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered Madonna, her faithful kitten, on T:110 18:52 i'll certainly know what not to do if i ever run across a dark blue e 18:52 <@luxidream> hothraxxa is there anything that you saved for later in the game that you regret? 18:53 in nethack? probably not 18:53 <@deathsushi> b wahah 18:56 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:56 -!- attie has quit [Quit: gone afk] 18:56 <@deathsushi> Will pets accidentallyk step on a polymorph trap only once? 18:58 i think they avoid all known traps, so yeah 18:58 but you can use leash or displace them 18:58 or magic whistle 18:58 <@deathsushi> Oh leash, good call, I need one of those 18:58 <@deathsushi> This game has been remarkably light in tools 18:58 <@deathsushi> No grease, no magic whistle, no magic lamp, no magic markers 18:59 <@deathsushi> SACKS GALORE though 18:59 <@luxidream> aoei: actually no 18:59 <@luxidream> monsters are weird 18:59 <@luxidream> they will step in a type of trap once 19:00 <@luxidream> then after that they have knowledge of all traps of that type and will never do so again 19:00 <@deathsushi> And polymorphing into a new creature doesnt' reset this bit 19:00 wat 19:00 thats odd 19:00 <@luxidream> i know it's weird 19:00 <@luxidream> i looked into it during tnnt 19:00 and works the same with pets? 19:00 <@luxidream> when trying to figure out when the arena player monster would step in the traps 19:01 <@luxidream> I think so yeah 19:01 but yeah that's a bonkers mechanic 19:01 -!- drunkmonkey has joined #hardfought 19:01 <@deathsushi> But mobs delibeately jumped into poly traps, don't they? 19:01 <@luxidream> that's different 19:01 <@luxidream> monsters under a certain level do that 19:01 <@luxidream> because they know their current form is weak 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 673 points, T:1125, killed by a wounded gnome lord 19:02 but will they repeatedly jump in the same trap if they are still a weak form? 🤔 19:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:02 <@910rd> !who 19:02 @910rd: [hdf-us] Deathsushi [nh370] efw [nh370] Grouchy [nh370] oh6 [nh370] CropperS [nh370] dgoddard [zapm] KrO2 [dnh] kelvin [fh] | [hdf-eu] Hill [nh370] | [hdf-au] drunkmonkey [nh370] 19:03 <@luxidream> aoei: yes 19:03 :o 19:03 i wasn't sure if i'd seen that happen or not 19:04 <@nabru> I've never seen it happen 19:05 don't they also have like a 1/40 chance of ignoring that there's a trap there even if they know about it 19:05 I remember this was relevant when I did the patch for making castle monsters know about the trapdoors 19:05 you could theoretically still backdoor and wait for them to fall down the holes but it'd take 40 times as long or some such 19:06 oh huh 19:06 <@luxidream> ah I didn't know that 19:07 <@luxidream> guess I should sit in the dragon closet and stuff my face then 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:28458 19:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 Helping Hand", on T:46653 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 111 points, T:1069, killed by an uninjured bat 19:10 hi 19:10 Hello bug_sniper, Welcome to #hardfought 19:10 heya 19:11 aoei would you capitalize a ß as SS or as ẞ? I was just curious about that. 19:11 i have no idea bug_sniper i am not a real german i just live here 19:12 guess I need to wait for amy maybe 19:12 or stenno or bhaak 19:13 amy might just tell you it's a fleecy shoe 19:13 lol 19:13 She will implement a monster in slex named ß 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] CropperS (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 3894 points, T:5659, killed by an uninjured gargoyle 19:14 undoubtedly 19:14 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:14 or maybe the sharp S will be a weapon 19:14 like the other shoes 19:20 <{Demo}2> whats the other S for? 19:20 <{Demo}2> thats more like a Z 19:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 yellow dragon scale mail", on T:46789 19:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 180 points, T:1603, killed by a wounded dwarf 19:23 <{Demo}2> oh https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Armanen_runes 19:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13135 19:32 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant eel, on T:12495 19:37 Okay so before I forget 19:37 https://allthetropes.org/wiki/NetHack/Setting 19:38 ^moved all the analysis shit there since it was about the gameworld 19:38 👍 19:38 Analysis subpage is open for any gameplay analysis people might interested in contributing 19:38 good question 19:38 like what luxi's doing with his speedrunning guide 19:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:11076 19:42 aosdict: you mean this https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Template:SLASH%27EMtimeline ? I don't object in principle, but that table is wrong and I don't think a table is _capable_ of correctly representing cyclical relationships 19:42 moon-child: no I mean https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/images/5/5a/VariantHistoryGraph.jpg 19:43 also this is acyclic by nature. a future release can't influence a past one 19:44 I would think slashem9 would descend from slashem on this, but I don't know if there has been anything that you count as a release 19:44 what if some variant adds Roko's Basilisk, a purple c? 19:44 aosdict: ah, if you count different versions differently I suppose not 19:44 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 19:44 aosdict: no, no release yet 19:46 <{Demo}2> i would be surprised if slex doesnt have that 19:51 Muad: what would it do? 1-shot you on the astral plane? 19:53 I don't know. force you to play slex 19:53 it has to do something bad once you learn of its existence, but before you see it 19:55 perma-fear for chars with high Int but low Wis 19:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 601 points, T:1405, killed by a gnome lady 20:03 [backscroll] aoei i'd rather pull that fix for setseed from infinigon's repo 20:04 well i suppose it depends whether he's done other stuff to it since pulling the other stuff i did 20:04 "Roko's Basilisk hits! You're warped to a strange game. Everything is so FLEECY here!" 20:04 i can easily check this 20:05 ah right he's added a thing to update install-to-chroot.sh 20:06 wewp 20:06 but my stuff doesn't touch that so if you pull his and then pull in my patch it should all be gravy 20:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Enchantress, on T:54499 20:09 i've also pulled the updated chroot thingy to mine 20:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46947 20:09 groovy 20:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 258 points, T:400, killed by a deceased acid blob 20:09 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 2383 points, T:2243, killed by a killer bee 20:10 Mutual kill to acid passive 20:10 F 20:10 https://gitlab.com/aoeixsz4/nh-setseed/-/commits/setseed-hdf so pulling from here should be safe i guess, or you could pull infinigon's one and then apply the patch commit at https://gitlab.com/aoeixsz4/nh-setseed/-/commit/77ed56899e69061571279c749c1d069a9f527045 20:10 idk up to you 20:12 realtime correction commit only changes two lines 20:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law), 74233 points, T:15487, killed by a gargoyle, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:21 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:23 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:29 !lastgame nabru 20:29 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nhfourk/dumps/2021-03-01%2001%3A29%3A08%2C%20Nabru-Val-Hum-Fem-Neu%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1605872855.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 20:29 hm, Beholder didn't give a death message for that last fourk game I played 20:35 h3h 20:36 * Umbire steals aoei's 3 20:38 you can't steal that, it's an abstract entity with no corporeal body 20:40 I read that as 'umbire steals ao3' 20:40 ew god no 20:41 what's ao3 anyway 20:42 fanfic site iirc 20:42 <@nabru> https://archiveofourown.org/ 20:42 oh right the one Pinkbeast had been talkin about 20:42 which is also where the orcales diaries is 20:42 it has that nethack oracle calendar on it or so I've heard 20:42 aosdict: so you've heard? 20:42 sounds to me like you have'nt read the nethack oracle calendar 20:42 well I don't think I read it on that site 20:42 rgrn or something 20:42 aahhh ok 20:43 i was about to be outraged or smth 20:43 but all is well 20:47 -!- microlance has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41503 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:41516 20:59 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:41547 21:03 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 21:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Mon Hum Fem Law), 1287 points, T:636, killed by a bolt of lightning 21:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43152 21:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:43159 21:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed bag of holding", on T:46214 21:13 <@princessSpicycat> pretty wild version chart, aosdict 21:14 <@princessSpicycat> so the first two major version numbers all happened in ~2 years 21:14 <@princessSpicycat> and it's been 3.something for 31 years 21:14 yes but that sort of assumes the ratio of major versions to features is constant, which it's not 21:15 <@princessSpicycat> i guess these days, they probably 1.3d woulda been called 0.something 21:15 <@princessSpicycat> early access 😄 21:15 lol 21:15 I'm not sure there was a DevTeam at that point 21:15 I've been tempted to try the original Hack out 21:16 also nethack doesn't use semver 21:16 <@princessSpicycat> what are you using to make this map? if you add a node, does it land in a sane spot, or do you have to manually move everything? 21:17 this is graphviz 21:17 I provide a data file that forces some constraints but not too many 21:17 https://github.com/copperwater/xnethack-extras/blob/master/nethack_history_compact.dot 21:18 ^ that's the source for the version currently on nethackwiki 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:43466 21:22 currently playing a multi month old game and I was right at the wizard so I guess I'm just going for it? I don't remember anything at all about this game 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:60452 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:60454 21:23 Neko-chan: Good luck! 21:23 thank you, I am going to try my best 21:25 -!- stenno1 is now known as stenno 21:25 !setmintc 0 21:25 stenno: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for stenno set to 0 21:25 [hdf-eu] [seed] stenno (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: foo\x0abar] 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] wlpj2011 (Sam Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2800 21:29 <@luxidream> Very suspicious seed 21:29 <@princessSpicycat> also interesting that a bunch of variants spring from 3.4.3 - and not3.4.3-nao 21:30 there should probably be more gray arrows leading out of 3.4.3-nao, but I haven't tried to learn who took what stuff from NAO patches when 21:30 Yeah, I imagine that's a bit snarled 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] wlpj2011 (Sam Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by a wounded jaguar), on T:3144 21:31 there should *probably* be one going into the first unnethack? 21:31 NAO also had quite a few QoL fixes to make base 3.4.3 playable, so odds are whatever variants spun off from it usually implemented them in some way by themselves 21:31 Or so I'd like to think anyway 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] wlpj2011 (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Kunoichi, on T:3192 21:32 congrats spicycat I added one from 3.4.3-nao to unnethack and the graph got way more convoluted 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:41874 21:33 FIQ: did acehack draw features/heavy inspiration from 3.4.3-nao? 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:41882 21:34 <@luxidream> !who 21:34 @luxidream: [hdf-us] nekochan [nh370] Kevkat [nh370] SkydiveMike [nh370] wlpj2011 [nh370] Disruptor [dnh] kelvin [fh] | [hdf-eu] stenno [seed] | [hdf-au] No current players 21:41 -!- Menchers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] wlpj2011 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:3771 21:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] wlpj2011 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3850 21:44 aosdict: AceHack was EOL before I even started playing NetHack, so I don't know. Ask ais523 21:45 But I think they were developed independently and in parallell time-wise 21:45 maybe jonadab knows? 21:45 jonadab: do you know if acehack took code or inspiration from 3.4.3-nao 21:46 what kind of variant is "seed"? 21:47 also, several variants have setseed play 21:47 unnethack and all NH4 variants 21:47 hmm are you saying I should add it to the graph 21:47 it's just 3.7 with setseed, not really a variant. hardfought is just treating it like one 21:47 no I was reading Beholder lines 21:47 didn't realize you were tinkering on the variant graph 21:48 let me know if fiqhack ever adopts version numbers 21:48 aosdict: I work on 2 major projects atm, a NetHack variant and a romhack 21:48 Neither of them has had a release in over 4 years 21:48 ROMhack of what o: 21:49 Despite being continuously updated 21:49 during all that time 21:49 I'm not very good at this release thing 21:49 Umbire: Pokémon Crystal 21:49 Technically I'm not actually the lead developer of the romhack, but meh, details :P 21:50 Ah 21:50 icic 21:50 I'm the one who does the technical stuff on it, mostly 21:50 especially battle engine upgrades/fixes, but also some other stuff 21:54 my current project on that hack is porting the storage system from later generations, without the constant save spam and being generally more convenient to use 21:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:41404 21:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:43956 22:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] Orcranger (Ran Orc Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:30030 22:09 [hdf-eu] [seed] stenno (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: foo\x09bar] 22:09 hm 22:10 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 276 seconds] 22:15 [hdf-eu] [seed] stenno (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: foo\x09bar] 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible high priest of Moloch, on T:44252 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:44307 22:27 [hdf-eu] [seed] stenno (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: foo] 22:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:44445 22:44 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 22:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 546 points, T:775, killed by a little dog zombie 22:47 [hdf-eu] [seed] stenno (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: foou0009bar] 22:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:44853 22:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:47415 22:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Student of Waters, on T:28382 22:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:47521 22:54 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:29138 23:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2375 points, T:2716, [0:15:41], killed by a water moccasin 23:00 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 23:03 [hdf-eu] [seed] stenno (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: foo(bar] 23:03 uuh 23:07 uuuhh 23:07 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 840 points, T:1649, [0:07:20], killed by a wounded pony 23:08 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 23:14 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 23:15 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 23:16 hmm 23:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed Kostchtchie, on T:48730 23:17 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [random seed] 23:17 beholder should report if i quit, ya? 23:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:48741 23:19 no 23:20 o 23:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Hea Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3465 23:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3465 23:23 [hdf-eu] [seed] stenno (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Dungeons of Doom [chosen seed: foo\xc3\xb0bar] 23:24 python is not php 23:27 <@deathsushi> In order to get something out of a moat, I need to fill the surrounding tiles first, correct? 23:27 <@deathsushi> Like, can I just dump a single boulder in the moat, and then dig down into that? 23:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:45620 23:30 No 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:64956 23:30 You have to freeze/fill the surrounding tiles as well because water can flow in while you're digging 23:31 If I'm understanding you correctly anyway 23:33 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2663, rt[0:14:28] 23:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 340 points, T:1821, killed by an uninjured kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 23:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:4216 23:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:45771 23:35 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:2895, rt[0:17:21] 23:36 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3048, rt[0:19:34] 23:37 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Kni Elf Fem Cha) had a pair of combat boots entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:2296 23:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:31065 23:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 664 points, T:1830, choked on a homunculus corpse 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:46555 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:31091 23:41 <@deathsushi> Right that makes sense 23:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:45864 23:41 <@deathsushi> Wish I hadn't accidentally blanked all of my earth scrolls 23:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:46564 23:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Garland, on T:45944 23:48 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4890, rt[0:26:14] 23:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:46006 23:53 [hdf-us] [seed] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5038, rt[0:26:14] 23:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 866 points, T:3279, killed by an uninjured giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 23:56 <@luxidream> same realtime? 23:56 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:46835 23:56 <@luxidream> aoei ^^