00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 daggers named !c on an altar, on T:3917 00:04 [hdf-us] [spl] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11057 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] YakumoRising (Cav Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 27 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:49494 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] YakumoRising (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:49933 00:25 [hdf-us] [spl] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:11726 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:71607 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:71609 00:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:71835 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5336 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1357094 points, T:72027, killed by the barely wounded high priestess of Moloch, while paralyzed by a monster 00:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:48820 00:44 !lastgame shadowrider38 00:44 tjw: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowrider38/nethack/dumplog/1614093943.nh.html 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) averted death (killed by an uninjured giant beetle), on T:9124 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:9249 00:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:50457 00:56 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:56 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:00 -!- microla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Digger, on T:6568 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6715 01:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) killed Mother Hydra, on T:51679 01:31 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 01:41 -!- Andrio has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41 -!- Andrio has joined #hardfought 01:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 45 points, T:591, killed by an uninjured sewer rat 02:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5278 02:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:5368 02:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2446 points, T:5814, killed by a magic missile 02:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) killed Glasya, on T:52935 02:18 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 02:20 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Val Hum Fem Law), 1838 points, T:3219, killed by a Woodland-elf 02:20 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:20 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 02:22 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 02:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu), 1195 points, T:2454, killed by a dwarf zombie 02:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:53368 02:37 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Val Hum Fem Law), 3853 points, T:3789, killed by a magic missile 02:41 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 989 points, T:1488, killed by a Woodland-elf 02:42 imagine shorting crypto lol 02:43 imagine shorting anything i guess 02:44 and imagine squeezing shorters 02:45 well thats the fun part of it 02:45 Imagine shorting Dispater. 02:45 punishing shorters for being stupid 02:52 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1778 points, T:1941, zombified by an orc zombie 02:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54149 02:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4587 02:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:54201 02:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:54275 02:58 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:01 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:01 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 03:02 good morning 03:03 aoei: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OyBmEeojfKo 03:03 stenno2: lmao 03:04 [hdf-us] [un] smzp (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 7520 points, T:4624, killed by a leocrotta 03:04 good 03:04 -!- stenno2 is now known as stenno 03:07 still confident about crypto 03:07 if this dip continues until after the weekend i will be more nervous 03:11 but it shouldn't 03:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:54892 03:20 https://0x0.st/-Koo.png working on something fun for slashem9 03:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:55066 03:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:55073 03:21 hilighted keywords? 03:21 like menucolors but for messages 03:22 does that build upon msgtype? 03:22 yes 03:22 msgtype COLOR 03:22 granularity is per-character not per-word; regex capture. Also coming to menucolors 03:22 oslt 03:22 nice! 03:22 it originally comes from interhack iirc, but nobody else adopted it 03:23 should be relatively trivial if you can hook into existing msgtype infrastructure 03:23 not hardly! 03:23 actually whenever i assume something to be trivial related to nethack source i am wrong in very bizarre ways 03:24 whole windowport infrastructure is not set up to support arbitrary attribute/colours. I'm slowly adding it, but I'm sure it's still subtly broken in places 03:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu) destroyed Death, on T:55132 03:25 why not just support for tty 03:25 that's what statuscolors originally did. But it's a giant mess; you don't want that 03:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Dro Mal Neu), 5878972 points, T:55172, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor5/dnethack/dumplog/1614126596.dnh.txt 03:28 (which is also the reason why nethack used status_hilites instead of adopting statuscolors wholesale) 03:34 -!- Xjs has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:36 * stenno approves of investing more time and thought on a proper implementation 03:37 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 03:37 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 76 points, T:142, killed by an uninjured goblin 03:52 moon-child: I just thought this morning it would be nice if we at least had status_hilite like support for colored parts of the object names. so you could color "a blessed +1 long sword (weapon in hand)" blessed in one color, +1 in another, "long sword" in another, etc 03:53 slidin down the slippery slope 03:53 bhaak: interhack did that too :P 03:53 what's next, a leecy colour scheme? 03:53 fleecy* 03:54 hallucination traps rainbowfying your invent :P 03:55 moon-child: yes but not kludged on afterwards but with proper structures in the code :) 03:55 amateurhour: this would be a logical step. why doesn't hallu affect status hilites and menucolors yet? :) 03:55 well, sure. Arguably regex matching sentences is a kludge too (which is why I want grammartree) 03:56 grammartree has a big design flaw 03:57 cramming everything into the strings is painful to develop and debug 03:57 make the info out of band, not inband 03:58 my proposed design for grammartree describes the grammar using a real data structure and then synthesizes sentences, not the other way around 03:58 So you might have, for instance, SVO(Noun(You), Verb("hit"), Noun(Monster(some structure))) 03:58 and that turns into "You hit %s", monnam(the monster) 03:59 but you do all the analysis and reduction before that 03:59 yeah, that's way better 03:59 ask ais about grammartree 03:59 as a side effect, this would open up the possibility of much easier translations 04:00 related https://nhqdb.alt.org/?706 04:00 nh4 should have made quite some work regarding grammartree stuff but i think it was eventually abandoned 04:01 also this https://nhqdb.alt.org/?707 04:01 haha 04:02 shots fired 04:02 i guess it was a valiant effort 04:03 do I need to !tell amy about this idea? 04:04 stenno: well, as mentioned their approach is hard to work with. It also makes it hard to work incrementally; with my solution you can pack all current plines into a ‘LitMessage’ variant, which doesn't get analyzed. (And you would need to have that anyway for the gehenna message, opening message, asc message, etc.) And then port indidivual messages as needed/wanted 04:04 so it was to some extent doomed from the outset 04:07 in nethack-de, I also did cram everything into the strings. but it had a more readable structure "SUBJECT PRONOMEN_PERSONAL VERB_HIT OBJECT ARTIKEL_BESTIMMTER NOUN_DWARF_ZOMBIE." (You hit the dwarf zombie) and more importantly, it had a fallback option. you would always get a readable string in-game. either untranslated english, or at worst a broken german sentence 04:11 now I'm curious what nethack-i18n does 04:12 is pline only for message window or for all windows? 04:12 i guess it does only make sense for message window 04:16 -!- wvc has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:16 stenno: pline is only message window, yes 04:16 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 04:18 moon-child: nethack-i18n uses a printf like extended format. https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/NetHack_in_other_languages#NetHack-i18n 04:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:19 moon-child: the strings are translated with gettext and then the language specific code parses the printf format for language specific adjustments 04:29 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 04:31 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:35 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- stenno2 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[evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31217 06:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:31224 06:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:31229 06:09 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Vam Mal Cha), 11046 points, T:5476, killed by a jaguar 06:14 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45998 06:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) killed Aglaope, on T:25067 06:19 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 585 points, T:714, killed by a gas spore's explosion 06:23 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Val Dop Fem Neu), 102 points, T:169, killed by a fox 06:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:10407 06:38 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Sam Hum Mal Law), 326 points, T:525, killed by a small mimic 06:42 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Executioner, on T:46804 07:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:29250 07:05 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 4118 points, T:2553, killed by a bolt of fire 07:07 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:47455 07:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:29840 07:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:29905 07:53 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:56 !coffee 07:56 * Beholder pours nabru a mug of espresso, decanted by FCCBot at 358 Kelvin. 07:58 hi 07:58 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 07:58 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 07:58 helllo 07:58 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3270 points, T:3831, killed by a magic missile 08:00 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:16 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 830 points, T:1858, killed by a dwarf 08:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 7313 points, T:6188, killed by a leocrotta 08:22 hel{2,}o 08:23 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1838 points, T:2194, killed by a water demon 08:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 214 points, T:542, killed by a magic missile, while sleeping 08:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3014 08:28 HELO 08:30 high 08:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:33395 08:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:33399 08:34 250 Hello Andrio 08:37 -!- stenno1 is now known as stenno 08:51 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible dingotron's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2497 09:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) was given the Singing Sword, on T:35035 09:13 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 582 points, T:2520, died of starvation, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) became the Envoy of Balance, on T:35340 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a bone broadsword entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3894 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 272 points, T:563, killed by a wounded gnome lord 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 126 points, T:619, killed by a wounded goblin 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:603 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 124 points, T:434, killed by an uninjured guard 09:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 godhands", on T:35579 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 79 points, T:279, killed by an uninjured jackal 09:30 -!- dk657 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 544 points, T:1078, killed by an uninjured gnome 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:8788 09:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 274 points, T:1325, killed by a gas spore's explosion 09:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:36390 09:40 -!- stenno has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 09:41 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed CropperS's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:9018 09:43 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Sam Hum Fem Law), 14301 points, T:5365, killed by a large dingo 09:48 GME going way back up again 09:50 <{Demo}2> no thanks 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:9141 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 408 points, T:2759, killed by a wounded homunculus 10:05 -!- microlance has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 10:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:31414 10:16 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ico Mal Law) killed the ghost of otc, the former Buzzer, on T:1484 10:21 aosdict yup heh 10:28 this is interesting... https://www.reddit.com/r/wallstreetbets/comments/ls0wmd/if_gamestop_hits_800_before_226_we_will_trigger/ 10:28 I think trading will be purposely halted before that happens though 10:28 market manipulation is illegal... until it isnt 10:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] arnibald (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 112 points, T:166, killed by Mr. Boyabai, the shopkeeper 10:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:32 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:48512 10:32 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 10:33 an interesting question is "can it ever be market manipulation if you share everything publicly" 10:33 anyone is able to read that post and react however they wish 10:34 <{Demo}2> when the hyper inflation hits in 10 years yall goofs with a lot of money and no debt r gonna regret not being hundreds of thousands in debt 10:34 it's not a secret chat room where a bunch of people are conspiring to pump and dump 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 572 points, T:2711, killed by a wounded kitten 10:35 aosdict: It's certainly still considered market manipulation when the public sharing is deceitful/misleading, which is how a lot of pump and dump is predicated also 10:35 but WSB also seems to be trying to sidestep that with "I LIKE THIS STOCK A LOT" 10:36 they're not making outrageous or forecasting claims, but just rallying on "let's buy this and be emphatically excited about it going UP!" 10:36 right, if you hold a stock it is perfectly legal to convince other people of how good the stock is 10:37 what I mean is, last time GME shot way up, trading firms like robinhood purposely halted selling on that stock plus a few others for reatil traders, while hedge funds were still able to buy/sell the same stocks without restrictions 10:37 *retail 10:38 ^ that isnt legal from what i understand 10:39 it was legal at the time it happened but now congress is debating the question 10:39 K2: I'm not entirely clear on what came of that investigation yet, but istr that it might haev just been that they did not have/could not get enough capital to cover the puts they were receiving per the rules, so they could not acquire more even if they'd wanted to 10:40 if that were tru ethen wouldnt trading be halted for everyone? 10:40 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 10:40 why would it? 10:40 IIUC: the rules are something like "if you want to buy a put at X, you gotta place Y in escrow" 10:41 thats what i'm asking 10:41 hedgefunds had the capital to do that, robinhood did not 10:41 the tl;dr version of robinhood's account is: clearinghouse says "this is way too volatile, cough up $3B or something to cover your position", robinhood says "we'll implement buy limits if you reduce that to $1B", clearinghouse says "done" 10:41 why was trading halted for retail traders but not the hedge funds 10:41 <{Demo}2> around the big stock and finance institutions, you always lose 10:41 K2: it was a brokerage-side halt, not an exchange-side halt 10:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:31461 10:41 K2: because the brokerage was having the screws put to it by the exhange over risk 10:41 if you were a retail trader who owned GME through vanguard or something, you were still perfectly capable of trading it 10:42 ^ 10:42 i see 10:42 * K2 is glad he doesnt have a robinhood account 10:42 K2: robinhood went to swim in the big fish pond and nearly drowned 10:42 and obviously hedge funds don't use robinhood 10:43 and in the process of saving themselves, had to curtail their whole business model. 10:43 of course this all begs the question why shorts like this are even allowed at all 10:43 note that gme has had lots of exchange-side halts recently due to volatility as well 10:43 it had several this morning 10:43 yeah 10:43 or maybe just 1 I didn't look that closely 10:44 its climbing again 10:44 146 usd 10:44 I see what looks like 3 halts 10:45 K2: shorts serve the purpose of keeping valuations honest, in general 10:45 yeah, the argument for shorts is that the market is healthier that way 10:46 K2: if you can't short, there's one less reason for a stock price to ever move _down_ toward a "truthy" valuation 10:47 The challenge is that shorts have no upper bound on how bad they can go if you're wrong 10:47 the way the stock market operates in general is just dumb 10:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:48 <{Demo}2> we're getting a REAL casino finally from one of the local indian tribes that can have one legally for some reason and im excited for it. won't need stock market anymore 10:49 K2: i don't entirely disagree 10:49 {Demo}2: why wouldn't you be able to have a casino? 10:49 stenno: largely illegal in the US with narrow exceptions 10:49 <{Demo}2> usa laws are really weird 10:49 or rather are cas- 10:49 wot 10:49 yup. 10:49 that is super surprising to me 10:50 offensive to our puritanical moral values and all that. 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 554 points, T:1930, killed by an explosion 10:50 casions are fully illegal here in Brazil, we tried to make them legal a while ago but the idea never went forward 10:50 *casinos 10:50 and yet every corner store and deli sells keno and lotto tickets 10:50 oh wow 10:50 the government here has a monopoly on lotto 10:50 well that's true 10:50 it's... bizarre 10:51 here in germany too 10:51 (re: monopoly) 10:51 at least i think so 10:52 i am having the image of cowboys playing poker in a saloon in my mind 10:52 I mean it's not like poker is illegal 10:52 was that just romantic americana 10:53 <{Demo}2> in virginia we dont have any casinos so it will be a big win when this one opens. we also dont have any bars and places with licenses to serve alcohol have to make the majority of their income from food sales or something dumb 10:53 oh but like, offering a place as a business? 10:53 yeah, states also run a lotto here, proportion of the proceeds funds education, usually. (ironic.....) 10:53 and i don't actually wanna ask but imma ask anyway, why are natives allowed to have casinos? 10:53 <{Demo}2> i think it has to do with federal vs state jurisdiction 10:53 stenno: *sigh* it's a long sad story 10:53 <{Demo}2> and somehow they get federal? 10:54 <{Demo}2> and so the state can fuck off with their bullshit? idk 10:54 I've been to a couple breweries in virginia, I guess they also served food but it seemed like alcohol was the main business? 10:54 yes, as part of reparations for ... everything, they effectively get a weird version of soverirgnty 10:55 <{Demo}2> aosdict: the legal loopholes around that are complicated and I don't understand them fully. did they serve spirits? 10:55 We get crack, blocks and things, and they got craps and slot machines 10:55 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ico Mal Law), 12358 points, T:2426, killed by a rocket 10:55 Lupe Fiasco reference aside, USG has funny ideas of what constitutes reparations 10:55 Even at the "best" of times 10:56 {Demo}2: not to my knowledge, they brewed beer 10:56 <{Demo}2> ok, that might be why 10:57 one was front royal brewing co if that's anywhere in your area 10:57 <{Demo}2> i dont know how it works but i think breweries get exemptions from that but idk. i know the laws are a confusing mess and ppl are always finding loopholes 10:57 !who 10:57 FIQ: [hdf-us] Merlek [nh370] quervo1 [nh370] Karnac [nh370] PetraVijod [fh] ucbvax [slshm] | [hdf-eu] Singhend [un] mobileuser [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 10:58 <{Demo}2> if they dont serve spirits, it is likelier that there is some sort of way that lets them exist in a different manner. i think the income % thing only applies to places licensed to serve spirits? idk 10:59 <{Demo}2> it's still completely stupid to me that personal moonshining is illegal 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:11682 11:05 its cuz the gubment wants its cut 11:05 thats really what it boils down to 11:05 <{Demo}2> they can fuck off 11:06 you can make all the moonshine you want, just dont sell it 11:06 if you do it for yourself, it should be fine 11:06 if you want to sell it, then probably not 11:06 in germany there are limits in liters regarding that 11:06 <@Tone> hackedhead: State lotteries funding schools seems to be misleading because the states end up cutting school funding in anticipation of the funding from lotteries, so the schools often don't end up with any additional funding overall 11:06 i think 2l of spirit, and a certain amount of brewed beer (much higher most likely) 11:06 <{Demo}2> nah its illegal to make it for yourself 11:06 <{Demo}2> you can do all the brewing you want 11:06 my mom used to make spirit from berries sometimes, and also distilled her own wine 11:06 (or w/e the process for wine is called) 11:07 <{Demo}2> but if its over a certain proof, it becomes moonshining, and is even illegal for personal doing 11:07 is that maybe becasue its a severe health risk? 11:07 like going blind and stuff? 11:07 <{Demo}2> so does drinking paint 11:07 <{Demo}2> gov better not let me make paint 11:07 <{Demo}2> but no, thats not why 11:08 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:49765 11:08 <{Demo}2> it's a control thing / anti alcohol thing 11:08 oh another puritan thing 11:08 <{Demo}2> also, theres nothing wrong with choosing to make myself blind, from a legal point of view 11:08 i sometimes forget that you had actual prohibition like a hundred years ago 11:08 <{Demo}2> yeah 11:09 <{Demo}2> exactly that 11:10 I think illegal moonshining is mainly because it's dangerous. like illegal firework making 11:10 <{Demo}2> illegal firework making is illegal cause the end product is illegal i thought 11:11 <{Demo}2> if u blow ur still up somehow, lol, rip 11:11 how are guns legal but not firework 11:11 anyway, its amazing how the US now legalizes weed in many states 11:11 <{Demo}2> i hate them for that 11:11 in germany its still somewhat forbidden (but tolerated in low amounts) 11:11 <{Demo}2> why are they allowed to contro lthat shit 11:12 in Brazil it's forbidden and people think weed is like cocaine or crack 11:12 in that it will ruin you the first few times you use it 11:12 its important that the state controls it because there are huge illegal markets around it 11:12 <{Demo}2> not illegal in the right favela where they are the law, lol 11:12 we COULD have a massive legal weed market, but our politicians refuse because... reasons 11:12 "this is a conservative country" yeah, right 11:13 in germany, some people think its becasue it would take away from the alcohol market which is an important lobby here 11:13 stenno: guns vs fireworks: fireworks didn't make it into the constitution, guns did. 11:13 <{Demo}2> was the wild west cool: yes, were drugs illegal there: no 11:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 1391 points, T:3115, killed by a werewolf 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Magician, on T:12271 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2531 points, T:2961, killed by a wounded giant ant 11:15 not sure if the wild west was actually cool 11:15 <{Demo}2> true 11:15 <{Demo}2> probably not actually at all 11:15 after all there was a genocide against the natives happening 11:17 also lawlessness with certain societal foundations 11:17 which were not given then 11:18 lawlessness is only good* 11:18 You forgot the part where people are opening weed businesses now while people jailed for selling it before aren't having sentences commuted 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:13038 11:20 <{Demo}2> i cant smoke weed cause im already really lazy but i really hate the governments bullshit about it a lot 11:20 I've never wanted to try any drug, really 11:21 I already suffer from a junk food habit and don't need another one 11:21 i think legalization will reduce a lot of criminality (and i don't mean the act of consumption) 11:21 <{Demo}2> i think its pretty clear weed doesnt make ppl commit crimes (other than when it is the crime), it just makes them dumb which is not my business 11:22 i mean there are gangs which make a lot of money by illegally selling drugs 11:22 think al capone during the prohibition 11:22 they make money, and they fight over territory and shit 11:22 [hdf-eu] [un] Singhend (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "a blessed can of grease", on T:50281 11:23 Almost like the solution isn't criminalization 11:23 and never was 11:23 you don't see gangs fighting over chocolate bars 11:23 people here seem to think that making weed legal will make everyone go to harder drugs 11:23 <{Demo}2> i wouldnt do a drug i wasnt comfortable being able to produce myself if needed 11:24 even though there's zero evidence towards that 11:24 {Demo}2: but isn't it allowed to grow for yourself if you don't sell it (at least a certain amount)? 11:24 <{Demo}2> some places i think? 11:24 <{Demo}2> idk, not here 11:25 <{Demo}2> here it is still not allowed 11:25 <{Demo}2> but they decriminalized it last year so now it is only a fine 11:25 <{Demo}2> if you have a small enough amount 11:26 in germany, consumption is legal, posession is illegal (at a certain amount, depending on state) 11:26 <{Demo}2> i think they are pushing for proper legalization here, idk 11:26 <{Demo}2> and it looks like it might happen in the next couple years or something 11:26 <{Demo}2> i dont really follow it 11:29 weed doesn't make ppl dumb.. just very slow to respond 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:14336 11:29 (in response to a 8-minute old comment) 11:29 <{Demo}2> lol 11:30 Demo how's ndnh2 going? 11:30 any drugs make you dumb if you consume too much of it 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:14422 11:31 [hdf-eu] [nh4] Alma (alva) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 28984 points, T:2475, killed by a giant bat 11:31 frankly though, there might be an increase in psychoses and a concurrent increase in criminal behavior (probably small) 11:31 [hdf-eu] [nh4] Alma (alva) (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 18790 points, T:444, quit 11:31 <{Demo}2> amateurhour: idk when i last touched it but it's on hold for now as other things occur on my computer 11:32 exciting things or bad things 11:32 Muad: yes 11:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 968 points, T:1938, killed by an uninjured iguana, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:32 <{Demo}2> no idea anymore 11:33 <{Demo}2> ive been scrambled since i lost power for 60 hours a bit more than week and a half ago 11:33 eek 11:34 stenno, it'd probably be more than offset by a decrease in alcohol and amphetamine use though! 11:34 a legalization will be a net positive by a very large margin 11:34 i don't even smoke weed anymore but i am still for it 11:35 absolutely 11:35 I'm all for legalization, too 11:35 everyone who knows about weed is, except cops and some drug dealers 11:35 (and even many cops are) 11:36 cops are for it too 11:36 but still, a lot of people here think weed is worse than cocaine, doesn't help that we've had years of scare campaigns on media 11:36 its just some dealers and conservative politicians 11:36 media keeps finding anti-weed cops whenever they're doing a thinkpiece on it here 11:37 <{Demo}2> i think the cops here are tired of needing to fuck peoples shit up cause of bullshit like that 11:37 cops here are corrupt as hell, they want to be anti-weed because then they can arrest someone that had 1 gram of weed 11:37 ye :/ 11:37 <{Demo}2> maybe in brasil yeah 11:38 and show that they're doing their work and, if you disagree with 'em, you're anti-cop and thus pro-crime 11:38 It was the same with the crack epidemic 11:38 yeah it might be the boss cops only? regular cops tend to say alcohol is the problem, as in "if people didn't drink we'd be unemployed" 11:38 Compared to cocaine anyway 11:38 <{Demo}2> idk, city cops are different from cops in less urban areas 11:38 Umbire: lmao it's the same drug 11:38 the crack epidemic was enforced by the US government as a targeted attack against the civil rights movement 11:38 stenno: indeed 11:38 aoei: That's the joke. 11:38 yeah 11:38 exactly 11:39 And stenno explained the punchline, which... yeah. 11:39 rocks can kill u tho 11:39 and ur dog 11:41 <{Demo}2> if they made normal drugs legal ppl wouldnt do stupid shit like abuse benadryl and dxm 11:42 <{Demo}2> or "this crazy tire cleaner i found on amazon that metabolizes to ghb in your liver when you drink it" and accidentally have too much and get ko'd for 2 whole days 11:42 keep in mind that the opiod epidemic in the us has lead to an actual _DECLINE IN LIFE EXPECTANCY_ in the last 5 years 11:42 Umbire: it's even funnier when you consider the way its framed as like a problem of poor, largely-black communities, all the while rich white folk were doing loads of powder cocaine and freebase cocaine made with ammonia instead of bicarb. well, if you think racism is funny 11:43 which is MADNESS 11:43 Right? 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] shadowrider38 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1105 points, T:2410, killed by an uninjured hobgoblin 11:47 chasing the scream is a cool book 11:47 about the origins of the war on drugs 11:48 how far back does it go? 11:48 im trying to remember 11:48 there was this organisation that was kind of the fore-runner to the DEA etc. 11:48 Hearst, 1920s? 11:49 trying to remember the name of the guy who founded it and was one of the big drivers 11:49 shockingly, several people in that organisation were later found to have been making money from heroin smuggling 11:51 Muad: Harry J. Anslinger 11:51 aoei, right! i almost remembered 11:51 i looked up the wiki synposis of the book lol 11:51 He profiles early figures in the drug war like jazz musician Billie Holiday, a long-time heroin addict; racketeer Arnold Rothstein, an early drug trafficker; and Harry J. Anslinger, the first commissioner of the Federal Bureau of Narcotics (who himself had a daily morphine habit). 11:51 that's around the 1920s jazz frenzy? 11:51 yea about then 11:51 when music and drugs corrupted youth 11:52 ok, caught up. demo, it's misunderstandings like yours that gives the anti-cannabis people the support they need to keep the prohibition 11:52 <{Demo}2> eh, fair 11:53 cannabis deoesn't make you dumb, and with informed use it doesn't make you slow to respond either 11:53 some have claimed the paper industry was in on it too, and via connections, the newspaper industry (chiefly Hearst) 11:53 I know a guy on Twitter who goes deep into century-old origins of modern organizations 11:53 so as to avoid losing market share to hemp paper 11:53 Should see if they ever mentioned this specifically 11:53 hothraxxa, =) 11:54 there's a lot of disinformation out there but anyone who wants solid info can find it 11:54 <{Demo}2> i dont care what it does as long as it only affects the consumer and doesnt affect nearby ppl 11:54 <{Demo}2> i dont really believe in any substances being regulated by the government, hold for like radioactive shit probably 11:54 Muad: that book goes into more than just history of drug prohibition but also history of drug treatment and modern policies/programs (e.g. portugal, switzerland) 11:54 aoei, all right. i added it on my list 11:55 #468 11:55 it's been legal here for two years. all the nasty predictions of the opposition have not materialized. 11:55 lol 11:55 <{Demo}2> it shouldnt really matter what it does to you, really not the gov's business 11:55 aye 11:56 alcohol is more harmful than weed, but trry explaining this to people here 11:56 *try 11:56 it kills you 11:56 <{Demo}2> yeah but its cheaper and safer to purchase 11:56 not here. 11:57 <{Demo}2> nice 11:57 nabru: time for the obligatory bill hicks clip 11:57 mandatory weed? 11:57 i'm canadian in case anyone is wondering 11:57 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Emlq_4imaik 11:58 i wouldn't qualify for emigration to Canada :( 11:58 Muad: rip 11:58 Can'tada 11:59 i'm also old, as many of you know, and i've got decades of experience with cannabis 11:59 i love bill hicks lol 11:59 now anyone who has watched me play knows i'm slow but that's not the drug 11:59 lol hothraxxa 12:00 i dont think i could speedrun on thc tho 12:00 well if you choose the right strain i think there's a chance 12:00 <{Demo}2> it affects different ppl differently anyways 12:00 hothraxxa: that is possible 12:01 demo: yes it does. i've spent a lot of time trying to explain that to people who've used weed for years 12:01