00:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:19848 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:19947 00:10 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 00:10 hello 00:10 Hello rebatela, Welcome to #hardfought 00:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:34407 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Sorcerer, on T:20421 00:18 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 00:18 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ NetHack Super Bowl here Feb 7th, high noon (EST), aoei vs stenno speedrun competition! 00:18 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 00:19 !ping 00:19 K2: Pong! 00:24 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 00:24 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ NetHack Super Bowl here Feb 7th, high noon (EST), aoei vs stenno speedrun competition! 00:24 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 00:24 !ping 00:24 K2: Pong! 00:27 !who 00:27 K2: [hdf-us] Cropper [nh370] Deathsushi [nh370] Jilvane [dnh] ucbvax [slshm] rebatela [evil] dingotron [evil] omghax [slth] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 00:28 [hdf-us] [slth] omghax (Yeo Hum Mal Law), 74 points, T:24, killed by a falling object 00:28 ^ SlashTHEM 0.9.5 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:20927 00:29 !lastgame omghax 00:29 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/slashthem/dumplog/1613798715.slth.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/nethack/dumplog/1613353994.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/nethack/dumplog/1613354842.nh.html 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:21212 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:21235 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:21239 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:21501 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed drum of earthquake", on T:21648 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:21678 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:21680 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:21685 00:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Blackbeard's Ghost, on T:37071 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:21688 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:21963 00:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1388 points, T:1651, killed by a bugbear 00:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:22431 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:22577 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:22578 01:07 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:08 !who 01:08 K2: [hdf-us] Cropper [nh370] Deathsushi [nh370] spicycat [un] Jilvane [dnh] ucbvax [slshm] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] omghax [seed] 01:09 !who 01:09 K2: [hdf-us] Cropper [nh370] Deathsushi [nh370] spicycat [un] Jilvane [dnh] ucbvax [slshm] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] omghax [slth] 01:09 [hdf-au] [slth] omghax (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 0 points, T:7, killed by a falling object 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:23320 01:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 52 points, T:47, killed by a grid bug 01:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 193 points, T:175, killed by a jackal 01:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 179 points, T:254, killed by a grid bug 01:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 139 points, T:246, killed by a jackal 01:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:69, killed by a jackal 01:18 -!- talkingleaf has joined #hardfought 01:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 112 points, T:206, killed by a fox 01:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:24228 01:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 33 points, T:287, killed by a sewer rat 01:21 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Client Quit] 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:24331 01:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Con Hum Mal Cha), 84 points, T:202, killed by a grid bug, while praying 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:24370 01:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed chickatrice corpse", on T:24370 01:24 hm there's just kinda 4 demons in the wall just chillin 01:24 https://imgur.com/w9sRDBV.png 01:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:24381 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:24434 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:15480 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +5 helm of opposite alignment", on T:24454 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:24456 01:29 !who 01:29 K2: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh370] Cropper [nh370] Deathsushi [nh370] spicycat [un] MaxLunar [slex] ucbvax [slshm] | [hdf-eu] Vis [dnh] omghax [slth] | [hdf-au] No current players 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Law), 721348 points, T:24456, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cropper/nethack/dumplog/1613772752.nh.html 01:30 [hdf-eu] [slth] omghax (Ice Dop Mal Neu), 0 points, T:17, killed by a falling object 01:30 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 5288 points, T:5714, killed by a monster (the King in Yellow), while paralyzed by a monster attack 01:31 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ SlashTHEM 0.9.5 noe available to play! 01:31 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ SlashTHEM 0.9.5 now available to play! 01:31 damn typo 01:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1486 01:43 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 7851 points, T:2018, quit 01:45 -!- Nelennath_ has joined #hardfought 01:45 -!- Nelennath has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:50 -!- dead has joined #hardfought 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:6139 02:04 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 3188 points, T:4326, quit 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:16697 02:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:17209 02:18 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 1891 points, T:1948, quit 02:27 [hdf-us] [un] spicycat (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 crystal pick", on T:45742 02:32 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 02:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:18874 02:37 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:45 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 10286 points, T:3903, killed by a monster (Nih Pazuzu) 02:50 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 467 points, T:654, killed by a monster (troll) 02:50 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 398 points, T:1443, killed by a little dog 02:51 [hdf-us] [nh4] Betty (0xdeadfed) (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 19082 points, T:1130, poisoned by a rotted kobold corpse 02:52 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 02:53 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 445 points, T:1257, killed by a kitten 02:55 -!- Guest27 has joined #hardfought 02:58 [hdf-us] [un] spicycat (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:46727 03:00 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 2528 points, T:572, quit 03:14 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1079 points, T:2033, zombified by a kobold zombie, while praying 03:17 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 03:18 [hdf-au] [xnh] PeachMuffin (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Minetown, on T:1459 03:20 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 10772 points, T:2068, killed by a monster (join xorn) 03:23 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 2370 points, T:569, quit 03:24 [hdf-us] [un] spicycat (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided demiliches dungeon wide on T:47370 03:34 -!- Guest27 has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 03:36 [hdf-au] [xnh] PeachMuffin (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 3178 points, T:2436, killed by a gnome 03:44 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu) averted death, on T:8076 03:45 [hdf-us] [un] spicycat (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "+3 blessed fixed greased cloak of magic resistance", on T:47674 03:48 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu) received Whisperfeet by Ford, on T:10496 03:52 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:57 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 968 points, T:1381, killed by an uninjured wolf 04:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:15810 04:16 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 04:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler, on T:15949 04:21 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:21 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 04:24 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 04:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 3692 points, T:4122, killed by a wounded giant spider 04:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:16055 04:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:16057 04:27 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 335 points, T:716, killed by a nearly deceased giant bat 04:29 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2363 04:30 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 04:31 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:37 the numbers are in, +738 Euro PNL yesterday 04:37 insanity 04:37 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:38 but everything dropped a bit already, so today wont be that good 04:40 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 2906 points, T:3500, killed by a jaguar 04:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 45 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:17223 04:51 does vampire polyform break foodless (in vanilla)? 04:51 assuming it attacks with bite 05:03 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 05:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2393 05:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2210 points, T:2606, killed by a heavily wounded gnome queen 05:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "death", on T:17561 05:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 05:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law), 664407 points, T:17844, killed by brainlessness (with the Amulet) 05:26 stenno2: can't answer for vanilla, but in slashem it does not 05:27 hmm ok 05:29 oh yeah its explicitely listed as not breaking foodless 05:29 Attacking while polymorphed into a vampire so as to drink blood. This will only give nutrition in SLASH'EM, however. 05:29 so no nutrition but also not breaking foodless 05:29 seems good 05:31 There's no blood drinking mechanic in vanilla, really. It just drains levels. 05:32 @malor: voila https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/351c08de :D thanks for your contribution to SLEX 2.70! 05:54 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu) received Glorious Dead by Ford, on T:17877 06:06 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu) received Giantkiller by Ford, on T:19944 06:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:13506 06:14 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Esp Fem Neu), 37445 points, T:21777, quit 06:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pondlife (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (mind flayers), on T:6864 06:16 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 06:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:20 <@based> it finally happened 06:20 <@based> smoky potion as rum 06:21 <@based> quaffed 60 booze and got two wishes 06:21 <@based> then genocided h and realized dwarves wont spawn anymore 06:21 <@based> so no more smoky booze! 06:23 -!- AndroUser2 has joined #hardfought 06:25 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:25 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 06:27 -!- rebatela has quit [Client Quit] 06:27 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Pir Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6647 06:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Pir Dro Mal Neu), 23010 points, T:6968, killed by a serpent-necked lioness, while praying 06:47 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:47 !rng celeste | nethack | diablo | morrowind 06:47 aoei: nethack 06:47 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 347 points, T:1671, killed by an uninjured werejackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 07:01 <@malor> @based after 2 djinni wishes your odds of getting another wish instead of just a tame djinni is getting lower anyway, 2 wishes is great from drinking! 07:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:12 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:13 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has joined #hardfought 07:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:2646 07:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2149 points, T:1112, killed by an uninjured ape 07:24 !lastgame stenno 07:24 stenno2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-09-23%2009%3A11%3A29%2C%20stenno-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1613823414.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/sporkhack/dumplog/1546261261.sp.txt 07:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:3137 07:32 self-awareness is misery 07:32 we are cursed 07:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1438 07:36 * LarienTelrunya hands aoei a scroll of remove curse 07:36 i hope this is blessed 07:37 <@malor> hands aoei an effigy (works even if cursed!) 07:37 lmao 07:37 * aoei burns a policeman alive in a large wicker structure 07:37 <@malor> this escalated. 07:38 well the wicker man is like an effigy right 07:38 it's also a movie 07:38 lol 07:38 yo malor did you see the commit? thanks for the role suggestion :) 07:38 <@malor> no, what was it? I'm curious. 07:38 https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/351c08de 07:39 <@malor> Although I did notice that in dNethack the high priest of moloch has a power that references your name. I.e. don't get near her 🙂 07:39 lol the elder priest is a bastard :P 07:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible microlance's ghost, the former Brigand, on T:14636 07:41 malor have you not seen the wicker man 07:41 that movie is fucked yo 07:41 <@malor> what is the name of the new role? 07:41 noob mode barb 07:41 <@malor> no I haven't seen it. 07:41 maaaaaaan 07:41 stick it on ur list 07:41 <@malor> hey SlahTHEM is now on the list! 07:41 :o 07:41 which list?! 07:41 i didnt know it was a movie! 07:41 <@malor> logging into hardfought. 07:41 oo 07:42 i should add the thingy 07:42 <@malor> "S" 07:42 but im lazy and i hate the world today 07:42 so maybe later 07:42 <@malor> only if you really want to 🙂 (inside joke) 07:42 the type of ice block bribed K2, and in a way I'm grateful because if someone now talks about wanting to make another variant based on slex, I can tell them "slashthem is over there ----->" :P 07:42 loool dw malor i always do what i want :D 07:43 <@malor> is the new version on hardfought year Larien? I don't see it (the roles are alphabetical, right?) 07:43 @malor: 2.70 is still not finished yet, but getting close 07:43 * aoei starts a betting pool on how many of Amy's user base get stolen away 07:43 <@malor> ah, got it. 07:44 heh, slashthem was already available on ascrun so it was capable of stealing my players all along 07:44 the two variants are about as different as apples and airplanes though 07:44 yeah but nobody plays on ascrun lmao 07:44 i see you still have a bit to learn about how markets behave Amy 07:44 <@malor> yeah, slashthem is basically slash-em with a little extra and more development. Not similar to SLEX in my opinion. 07:45 <@malor> all the games on ascension.run are REALLY out of date. 3.18 for dNethack as an example, which is a 2019 build. 07:45 <@malor> all the other games are similarly out of date. 07:45 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 07:45 <@malor> also the server is in Europe so us USA-ians have slow response times. 07:46 yup they're pretty different, but might attract some players who want something like slash'em but not quite full-slex 07:46 actually I'm not so curious as to how many players are stolen away from slex, but rather how many newbie players (not the old-timers around here of course) are going to pester me with slashthem bug reports :P 07:47 <@malor> intersetingly the SlashTHEM currently version has FEWER roles and races than the version that is on ascension.run So the dev is moving farther away from "everything". 07:47 malor: I hang out in #ascension.run and consider kerio and deepy (the admins) friends 07:47 malor: they are not very active maintainers or super interested in their server 07:47 lol 07:47 <@malor> I'm sure they are great. But they don't update their games. That's my only comment. 07:47 @malor: Soviet removed basically all trace of slex, including all the new stuff I added 07:47 malor: i don't think they care much lol 07:48 Oh, this is still going huh. 07:48 what is Umby? :o 07:48 a select few of slex's roles and races have somehow survived, but in stupefied ways, usually renamed to something else, and with the stuff that defines them in slex removed :P 07:48 also isn't that kind of a redundant statement Amy 07:48 <@malor> no, don't worry. I have given up on SLEX and debating the efficacy of changing it to resemble a game. 07:48 like 07:49 aren't "all traces of slex" and "all the stuff i added" the same thing? 07:49 <@malor> Zyborg is gone, which is a fun role. 07:49 zyborg was the suggestion of a player who wanted an easymode role, actually 07:50 imagine slex having an easymode 07:50 but I guess handling a lightsaber is not exactly noob-friendly, because it takes some effort to manage the power drain 07:50 <@malor> It's a well done role honestly. Based on a pretty small amount of playing, but I like the idea of everything I am aware of. 07:50 oh? :) 07:51 wondering if the type of ice block completely removed the zyborg or only deferred it 07:51 <@malor> I don't think SlashTHEM is hooked up with any "server shout out" things. Not sure what those are named, but it doesn't appear to have any. 07:51 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 07:52 !whereis malor 07:52 LarienTelrunya: malor is not playing. 07:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46661 07:53 malor some important literature for you: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3093 and also relevant: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3271 07:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46669 07:53 <@malor> I'm on strike from playing until I can play a triple-noob roll on SLEX 🙂 07:54 read the quotes anyway, they are not there to convince you to play 07:54 well I hope that I can push out 2.70 soon, then you can play the triple noob :D 07:55 or to summarise: 07:55 <{Demo}4> the developer is literally batshit insane and has no fucking idea how to balance shit or make shit fun, so it's an unholy clusterfuck, which you can attempt to navigate at your own risk. this is super appealing to some people 07:55 but anyway the point of slex isn't a fun and balanced game, it's an art piece where the creator steps on you with high heels 07:56 i could just start drinking pastis now and there's nothing that could stop me 07:56 stenno2: that is true 07:56 the weather is inviting for it 07:56 its so good 07:56 i won't judge i already drank some gin 07:56 kek 07:57 stenno2: did i mention life is misery 07:59 is it/ 07:59 lmfao someone wished for Excal from a water demon 07:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:47007 07:59 LOL 07:59 srs 07:59 ngl that's actually strangely novel, saves you a fuckton of dipping in the future 07:59 dipping for excal isn't hard 07:59 aoei: https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3364 07:59 so many better wishes you could take 07:59 smh my head that person 07:59 they legit didn't know better so I'm not inclined to give them grief 07:59 Umbire: lmao 08:00 (wasn't gonna anyway really) 08:00 that's a great quote tho 08:00 I mean it's not so much hard as it is still a gamble, could get the piss owned out of you by moccasins 08:00 or water demons but angry and evil 08:00 I obvs would've gone for anything else but then I know the deal re: Excal so 08:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:47314 08:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:47315 08:10 what's the triple noob? 08:10 amateurhour: sup 08:11 amateurhour: new commits on the slex 2.70 branch :) 08:11 oh and the type of ice block somehow managed to get his variant on this server, so everyone: play slashthem bundlebundlebundle lol (but don't come to me with bug reports) :P 08:13 lol could you clarify what 'the type of ice block' means? :P 08:14 heh, the type of ice block is my protagonist's main rival in my fanfiction; Soviet5lo, having made a "variant" of slex, is therefore my main "rival" (competing for # of players) in nethack modding 08:14 and because the nick makes me think of Russia = cold = snow and ice, "type of ice block" IMHO fits 08:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Spelunker, on T:48189 08:15 and while I dislike his variant, I'm eternally grateful that he helped me figure out how to fix the phantom crash bug, without him I might not have been able to fix that one at all 08:17 oh slashthem is on hardfought 08:17 woot 08:17 now we can stop playing slex wooooo 08:17 :^) 08:17 [backscroll] LarienTelrunya, I havent been in communication with the slashthem variant author at all 08:17 amateurhour: play it and then tell me how similar it is to slex :D 08:17 K2: oh huh 08:17 was wondering, because I didn't see him on the IRC for ages either 08:17 i noticed that its actively being developed again 08:18 how do we make bug reports though? only via github? 08:18 and versions 0.9.3-0.9.4 basically 'de-slexify' slashthem 08:18 the changelog was quite impressive 08:19 you're breaking her heart K2 08:19 the deslexification started many versions before, he just finished it with those last few versions 08:19 he could have done infinitely less work by simply forking slashem and adding his own stuff on top of that :P 08:20 what slex elements remain? are there still like, nastytraps? 08:20 IIRC he forked before I added those 08:20 i.e. the version he forked was 0.85 or some such early garbage version, back when slex was still bugged as hell 08:20 Might be that there were ideas Sov thought good and worth preserving to some degree. 08:20 Iunno. 08:20 > back when slex was still bugged as hell 08:20 'as opposed to not now? :) 08:20 (see also: phantom crash bug :P good thing that one is gone) 08:20 so anything from 0.85 to 2.70 08:21 gottem :^) 08:21 it was a miracle that when slex was put on ascrun by kerio, it even compiled at all 08:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:48960 08:21 but, it crashed all the damn time and had other major issues, such as new role quests not being there resulting in unwinnable games 08:22 eventually slex will grow large enough that the compiler starts to choke on the file sizes 08:22 so far it seems like slash'em with some extra monsters 08:22 so why are you calling this person names? he's not here to defend himself, he hasnt said or done anything to you that i'm aware of? sure, some of us give you a hard time every now and then but at least its in your presence, and i dont think anyone has resorted to name calling 08:22 LarienTelrunya 08:23 whats with the hostility 08:24 sorry about that, I'm not trying to be hostile on purpose, although it still leaves a bad feeling in my stomach to see my work deconstructed like that 08:24 I can understand a little hostility. spending years working on a labor of love project, and then someone comes along and says "actually it'd be better if I ripped out most of your changes", and people agree with them 08:25 some of the slashthem commits also called my changes "nothing but filler", "makes no sense at all" etc. I don't even want to remember all the other stuff in those commit messages 08:26 <+LarienTelrunya> sorry about that, I'm not trying to be hostile on purpose, although it still leaves a bad feeling in my stomach to see my work deconstructed like that <--- how many times have you openly taken another variant authors work and added it to slex 08:26 I mean, I get that it's his variant and he can do whatever he wants, but... sometimes it sounds as if not a single thing I've changed is good enough?! 08:26 and done 'your thing' to it 08:26 K2: i don't see that as the same thing at all 08:26 tbf 08:26 [hdf-eu] [slth] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 2653 points, T:938, killed by a gnome 08:26 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 08:26 yeah that's not the same 08:26 oops, wasn't watching hp 08:26 K2: it's open-source remix culture ffs 08:26 that should be encouraged if anything 08:27 whereas taking slex and ripping out all the new stuff is kinda the opposite 08:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:49108 08:27 LarienTelrunya stealing xnethack features for slex is much different than LarienTelrunya forking xnethack and reverting most of what I've done because she thinks my changes are crap 08:27 aosdict: yeah exactly 08:27 if anything LarienTelrunya, you should be impressed that someone took the time to fork your work and make thei own thing from it 08:27 K2: I disagree loudly with your statement :v 08:27 imitation is the sincerest form of flattery as they say 08:27 that's not imitation! 08:28 K2: I am impressed... that slashthem was created just to deconstruct my entire game, instead of just taking the easy way out, forking slashthem and adding on top of that :P as I said, he could have had a lot less work while still eventually arriving at the same point where his variant is now 08:28 K2 your attitude in this matter really bugs me 08:28 i'll say that 08:28 *forking slashem 08:28 I have no horse in this race seeing that I'm more or less an outsider in all this, and I can see valid points from both """sides""" in this matter, so I'm going to do the sensible thing and just keep my mouth shut. 08:28 aoei - duly noted 08:28 lol Umby that's exactly what you didn't do XD 08:29 -!- Umbire has left #hardfought 08:29 that said, I'll add slasth'them to the scoreboard because it's on a server now and that's what the scoreboard does 08:29 also, if someone were to actually steal ideas from slex, *then* I'd really be flattered (and Chris_ANG actually did that <3 <3 <3 ) 08:29 i wasnt aware of the history between slex and slashthem tbh 08:29 not that that matters really 08:30 LarienTelrunya, i think one of your ideas made it into vanilla 08:30 so are we racing to first slth asc or what 08:30 K2: oh? which one? 08:30 -!- attie has quit [Quit: gone afk] 08:30 i dont remember 08:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class ;), on T:49214 08:30 i just remember you were mentioned 08:31 K2: yeah i mean I get Amy's chagrin about slash'them, but I don't see it as a reason not to host it 08:31 yes I'm not advocating for slashthem removal from hdf or anything 08:31 well yeah that's also one thing I want to make clear: I'm not advocating for removing slashthem either; if I made it sound like I was, that wasn't my intention 08:32 no one said anything about removing anything 08:32 i certainly wasnt getting that impression 08:32 ok good lol 08:32 just so's we're on the same page innit 08:32 aoei you should prob take Umbire's advice :) 08:33 noted, and rejected :) 08:33 besides, he wasn't giving advice 08:33 he was making a statement about his own intent 08:33 it was secretly advice to you in the form of a statement 08:33 dont you know secret code? 08:33 lel 08:33 :) 08:33 so when are we removing slex now we got the better one? :^) 08:33 JUST KIDDING 08:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:49265 08:34 i lol'd in rl 08:34 heh, I thought K2 already said that the menu is too big now, so slex has to go :D 08:34 thanks a-hour 08:34 always a laugh 08:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:49266 08:34 amateurhour is funny? huh thats news :) 08:34 K2 you wouldn't know humour if it smacked you in the face 08:34 * amateurhour smacks K2 in the face 08:34 i'm a fuckin riot 08:35 slapstick 08:35 lol i was just thinking charlie chaplin 08:35 wanna hear a joke? aoei 08:35 lol 08:35 oh gosh 08:35 bwahahah 08:35 sorry 08:35 im gonna need some salve for that burn 08:35 that cut really deep K2 :< 08:35 aww 08:36 hugs <3 08:36 (w/ cockatrice corspes attached to my armor with magnets) 08:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) put the invisible Death down for a little nap, on T:49288 08:36 accidentally picked lawful :( 08:36 wat 08:38 {Demo}2: you gonna get first slth asc? u know you wanna 08:38 lol k2 08:39 !who 08:39 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] malor5 [dnh] post163 [evil] | [hdf-eu] lacca [nh370] amateurhour [slth] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:39 !whereis amateurhour 08:39 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] amateurhour [slth]: No details available 08:39 did you see that reddit? 08:39 i should cook 08:39 habe hunger 08:39 about the ad&d game using nethack mechanics? 08:39 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 08:39 https://i.redd.it/0gwqzjubw7i61.png 08:39 isn't nethack mechanics ad&d mechanics already 08:39 yes and no 08:39 no and yes 08:40 yesno 08:40 oic 08:40 fair 08:40 ok brb pasta time 08:40 pasta \o/ 08:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) averted death (killed by uninjured Pestilence), on T:49358 08:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:49360 08:42 so far it feels just like slash'em, which is fine 08:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:49386 08:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1957 points, T:1728, killed by a wounded giant bat 08:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 2726402 points, T:49409, ascended 08:48 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/nethack/dumplog/1613499887.nh.html 08:48 gratz lacca if you're here 08:48 congrat laccca 08:48 <{Demo}2> I don't even know the rules of slthack 08:48 -c 08:48 stenno2: how's the pastis and crypto life? 08:48 slashthem first ascension race between amateurhour and {Demo}2 gogogo :D 08:49 Demo just play it like it's slash'em and go to town 08:50 why do I keep misspelling "sword" as "swort" smh (coding slex 2.70 rn) 08:51 <{Demo}2> I don't think it can be played like slashem 08:52 <{Demo}2> it looks like someone took slashem and spilled a bit of slex on it and ruined it 08:52 looooool 08:52 but it was deslexified completely! there can't be any trace of slex left :P 08:53 there are no nasty traps, high heels, farting girls or w/e 08:53 I'm playing it atm and so far up to minetown seems p much just slash'em 08:53 no farting girls appearing every 5 seconds 08:53 crypto stagnates and i didn't have pastis yet 08:53 no fleecy traps of f u start over 08:53 genuinely feels like slash'em 08:53 i will make a daily negative but will still be up altogether 08:53 the word "fleecy" probably doesn't appear in slashthem's source code at all 08:54 it doesnt 08:54 just checked 08:55 autopickup still picks things up in shops :/ 08:56 does that in slex too 08:56 amateurhour: and rightfully so 08:56 autopickup means autopickup, why would it be specialcased for shops? 08:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1339 points, T:1915, killed by an uninjured rothe, while unconscious from rotten food 08:57 for convenience 08:57 <@malor> there should be an option to "not pickup bought items". Alway on or off isn't as good. 08:57 <{Demo}2> does it have no rules on alignment? 08:57 <{Demo}2> does it nerf lawful minion abuse? 08:57 it doesn't appear to, I prayed and got a minion 08:57 as lawful 08:57 oh the good old deva brigade :D just make sure they don't untame on you or you're pretty much dead 09:00 <{Demo}2> which role/race is most op? 09:01 doppelganger monk is probably one of the most OP ones, at least in slashem 09:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 156 points, T:101, killed by a wounded wererat 09:01 guessing monk but not sure what the new races actually do in slashthem 09:01 can pick like incantifier and clk 09:02 but guessing they're the half-baked ones from slex ;^) 09:02 <{Demo}2> this isn't slashem 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 660 points, T:2475, killed by a boulder 09:02 I dunno, Soviet planned to make them like their dnethack counterparts 09:02 not sure how far he got with that plan 09:02 because if so then incant monk maybe 09:03 also lol I feel as if I'm ending up being the one who explains all the stuff about slashthem anyway now, despite not being the developer... :P 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Fem Cha) murdered Sluggo, her faithful little dog, on T:954 09:03 <{Demo}2> there isn't a role added that can be stronger than monk? 09:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor5 (Brd Gno Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6276 09:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 190 points, T:646, killed by a boiling potion 09:05 maybe jedi? 09:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha), 848 points, T:669, killed by a small dart 09:06 oh, slashthem probably still has the bug where putting a lightsaber into an ice box recharges it over time :P 09:07 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:08 <@malor> doppelganger can full #youpoly once you hit level 9 I think. So anything plus that should be pretty good once you hit L9. Although I'm sure "fire vampire" isn't close to as OP as Orc of the Ages of the Stars. 09:08 -!- AndroUser2 has joined #hardfought 09:08 fire vampire is turbo OP because every claw attack counts as a weapon attack, i.e. as a monk it deals full martial arts damage 09:08 depends on if it has that nerf slex has to poly attacks 09:09 plus they fly and regenerate 09:09 amateurhour: basically all of my nerfs (that had already been in place back then) are undone in slashthem 09:09 soviet was very thorough 09:09 hooray! 09:09 :) 09:09 <{Demo}2> idk 09:09 <{Demo}2> i dont like fire vampire monk form that much 09:09 stenno2: nice 09:09 <{Demo}2> overrated imo 09:10 yeah and cockatrices can be deadly 09:10 <@malor> there are probably other forms that are good? 09:10 mostly because binance coin is beyond expectations in a bad way 09:10 behind expectations? 09:10 amateurhour: why? slashem makes it so that it works as it should always have, i.e. as long as you have a weapon attack, you don't use touching attacks against monsters that are deadly to touch 09:10 maybe it gets some more momentum later today but i doubt it 09:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:11 I distinctly remember biting a cockatrice as a doppel monk poly'd into a fire vampire 09:12 <{Demo}2> the game doesnt even work for me https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/812688077255344148/unknown.png 09:12 lmao what 09:12 <{Demo}2> i should ask soviet to fix this 09:12 rofl Demo why don't you use sane terminal dimensions :P 09:13 teh best part of them basing it on slex is we can complain at Amy for everything wrong! :D 09:13 man I wish we could get Soviet5lo here, then he can answer all those questions without me having to pretend that I'm him ;) 09:14 <@malor> Yep, that was a brilliant move on the dev's part amateurhour 🙂 I'm going to steal that move and tell my clients that they need to call Linus Torvalds whenever I do anything wrong 🙂 09:14 <{Demo}2> hey amy guess what 09:14 <{Demo}2> im gonna do something that makes u happy 09:15 {Demo}2: your game crashed and I should troubleshoot it now? 09:15 <{Demo}2> no 09:15 <{Demo}2> not yet 09:15 <{Demo}2> but when it does, the type of ice block is getting an earful 09:15 he's not even here 09:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 665 points, T:1483, killed by an uninjured dwarf 09:15 K2 can you change the message that appears when an impossible is thrown to tell people to message Amy? 09:15 <{Demo}2> opening issues on his github 09:15 you have to direct the bug reports to me until he comes back from his hiatus ;) 09:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha), 2467 points, T:1420, killed by an iron piercer 09:16 <{Demo}2> ???? why cant i play any role/race/align? 09:17 <@malor> that's a change to SlashTHEM in the recent builds it appears. 09:17 because the type of, err Soviet5lo decided to roll back everything to SLASH'EM levels 09:17 <@malor> in the one on asc.run it does allow any role/race/align combo 09:17 works as intended, complained rejected, whatever weird combo you want to play isn't available, sorry :P 09:18 what did you want to play anyway Demo? gnome monk? 09:18 <{Demo}2> does this have autorecover? 09:18 it should 09:18 <{Demo}2> ok gg 09:18 <{Demo}2> wonder if it works 09:19 wait, don't tell me you're crashing it on purpose 09:19 file a crash bug report instead! 09:19 <{Demo}2> does this have spirit? 09:20 you mean the race? dunno, didn't pay close attention as to which ones got removed 09:20 it does not 09:20 was OP and badly designed anyway :P 09:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha), 3886 points, T:1195, quit 09:26 -!- raisse has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 09:26 [hdf-eu] [slth] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Law), 12412 points, T:3834, killed by a killer bee 09:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 253 points, T:658, killed by a wounded large mimic 09:26 the apiary is a rather nasty mines end 09:27 managed to kill a dragon after praying then got finished off by a bee, heh 09:27 heh, at least the guaranteed polytrap can't turn monsters into those wacky bullshit monsters Amy invented 09:27 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:42827 09:27 well usually what happens in slex is something jumps into it and turns sessile 09:27 and then you kill all the bees 09:28 yeah but that was boring, also Amy illogically made it so that out of depth spawns from polytraps are less common, that's of course not intended and so it was reverted back to how it's supposed to work. 09:29 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 09:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:31 I think incant is probs best monk Demo 09:31 probs best jedi too 09:31 do the incantifiers actually work like they do in dnh? 09:31 looks like it 09:32 <{Demo}2> it's hard to say for sure 09:32 as in, all spellcasting skills at expert no matter how bad your role would be at spellcasting, always see the + on equipment, always magic resistant? 09:32 yeah 09:32 eats magic too 09:32 also 09:32 and here's the epic part 09:32 good, because let's be honest, Amy's implementation of the incantifier was total garbage :P 09:32 can twoweapon martial arts like humans 09:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 211 points, T:816, killed by a wounded little dog 09:32 TRUE 09:32 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 09:33 hmm can't see the charges on wands though 09:33 <{Demo}2> found a way to force panic i think 09:33 can't remember if incant can do that 09:33 <{Demo}2> not revealing it 09:33 oh epic 09:33 <{Demo}2> also might be present in slashem :X 09:33 {Demo}2: what good is a panic though, I thought you wanted a segfault 09:33 demo: in slash'them? 09:33 <{Demo}2> where is slashem 09:33 hdf 09:33 <{Demo}2> source 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Bartlem's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:29321 09:34 depends what hdf uses, moon-chilled/elrond has a version here https://github.com/moon-chilled/slashem9 09:34 {Demo}2: you have to reveal it, because I need to fix the bug! if you don't, I'll dig through your ttyrecs 09:34 <{Demo}2> ok, it would be a ridiculosly slow burn in practice 09:34 <{Demo}2> but still panicable 09:34 hdf-slashem is here: https://github.com/k21971/slashem 09:34 demo: did you find it in slex? 09:34 <{Demo}2> no, in slashthem 09:34 or can get on sourceforge 09:35 -!- bort13 has joined #hardfought 09:35 <{Demo}2> ok yeah its present there, but i would hate to ever try to abuse it in practice 09:35 ah, so not an easy crash 09:35 {Demo}2 that bug you logged for slashthem, i'm not having that issue 09:36 <@malor> in dnethack you can't see the charges on wands only if it is "empty" or "not empty". 09:36 <{Demo}2> how big is ur terminal? 09:36 i can fullscreen, go back to normal, fullscreen again and its fine 09:36 <{Demo}2> what size is ur terminal exactly? 09:36 80x25 09:37 <{Demo}2> 271x72 09:37 and when you fullscreen it how big? 09:37 <{Demo}2> 271 > 255 09:37 <@malor> the incantifier on SLTM does NOT have super-duper-robes power though. Level 1 monk incant for me has a 16% fail on healing and 31% fail on force bolt. 09:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 201 points, T:819, killed by a nearly deceased jackal 09:38 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:38 <{Demo}2> slashem changes robes 09:38 <{Demo}2> you want a robe of power 09:38 <{Demo}2> if you want spell boosting 09:38 i dont know exactly. when the font scales its fine. when the font doesnt scale the screen is black but if i issue a command it redraws the screen, its fine 09:38 <{Demo}2> tput col 09:38 <{Demo}2> tput lines 09:38 <{Demo}2> cols 09:38 <@malor> I'm saying that on dnethack incantifiers are treated as if wearing 5 robes in terms of casting failure. 09:38 <{Demo}2> ah, inherently 09:38 <{Demo}2> yeah i think so 09:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha), 3906 points, T:1894, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a potion 09:39 <{Demo}2> alright, this panic bug is worthless 09:40 [hdf-us] [slth] malor2 (Mon Inc Mal Cha), 418 points, T:211, killed by an elven dagger 09:41 <{Demo}2> confirmed present in slashem, slashthem, and unnethack. if you do a create portal invoke in the black market like 15-20 times without saving between them it will fill the window slots and the game will panic (it breaks before the window gets destroyed) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/812695388284256296/unknown.png 09:42 https://imgur.com/gallery/7pL92Lr 09:42 fix by adding destroy_nhwindow(tmpwin); in the black market part? 09:42 <{Demo}2> that would be a way to fix it, yeah 09:43 <{Demo}2> only turning this one in cause fuck abusing it in practice 09:43 okay, will fix for slex, can't fix it for slashthem though 09:43 LarienTelrunya, i think its a given, you arent the maintainer of slashthem 09:43 heh yeah, we need a way to contact Soviet so it can be fixed in slashthem too 09:43 {Demo}2 are you going to make a PR? 09:44 did you look at his github page? there's at least 3 ways to contact him 09:44 <{Demo}2> im adding an issue 09:44 <{Demo}2> for it 09:44 oh, didn't pay close attention, sorry; now I see it 09:45 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:45 {Demo}2 good catch, found a bug in 4 variants at once heh 09:45 ah now I see why it would take long in practice to abuse that bug: because you need to wait for the artifact invoke timeouts 09:45 <{Demo}2> maybe more 09:46 <{Demo}2> who else has blackmarket? 09:46 splicehack 09:46 <{Demo}2> probably there as well 09:46 <{Demo}2> ill check 09:46 <{Demo}2> indeed 09:46 5 09:46 <{Demo}2> well, you can see why it was never found before 09:46 FIFE 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 925 points, T:3892, killed by an uninjured giant bat, while dragging an iron ball 09:46 <{Demo}2> theres 20 window slots 09:47 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 280 points, T:1215, killed by an uninjured large mimic 09:47 eating scrolls doesn't actually give that much pw hrmm 09:47 <{Demo}2> usually dont have more then 5 open bare base 09:47 <{Demo}2> so you would have to like like 15-20 of them through failing to branchport from the blackmarket 09:47 <{Demo}2> and no one would ever do that 09:48 <@malor> the power doesn't seem to drop by much in slashTHEM (for incantifiers). So you can live pretty long without eating it appears. 09:48 <{Demo}2> unless they had a script that they ran against the code to look for places where create nh window is called without destroying it 09:48 <@malor> based on a short game only though, so maybe it varies. 09:48 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 09:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha), 5191 points, T:1536, killed by a serpent-necked lioness 09:50 linked my fix in the issue you opened {Demo}2 :) 09:51 Serpent-necked---what 09:52 * Umbire searches 09:52 <{Demo}2> bleh, not touching ANY of the iron ball convict arti shit with a ten foot pole 09:52 <{Demo}2> but im certain there are bugs to be found there 09:52 <{Demo}2> probably nothing useful 09:52 i ate food and now im sleepyh 09:52 Serpopard, huh. 09:52 not a serpopard, it had a lion's body 09:53 Nah, that's what the search returned when I looked it up. 09:53 !who 09:53 K2: [hdf-us] elron [nh370] post163 [nh370] lurchy [nh370] Qwesti [nh370] hothraxxa [evil] | [hdf-eu] Singhend [un] tromix [nh370] amateurhour [slth] | [hdf-au] No current players 09:53 The serpopard is a mythical animal known from ancient Egyptian and Mesopotamian art. The word "serpopard" is a modern coinage. It is a portmanteau of "serpent" and "leopard", derived from the interpretation that the creature represents an animal with the body of a leopard and the long neck and head of a serpent. However, they have also been interpreted as "serpent-necked lions". There is no known name for the creature in any ancient texts. 09:53 ^From TOW 09:53 Also fuck me, that statline is incredibly nasty. 09:53 Base -10 AC 09:55 [hdf-eu] [slth] amateurhour (Mon Inc Mal Cha), 7617 points, T:2462, killed by Mr. Hyeghu, the shopkeeper 09:56 saw a chickatrice, went for it, forgot about accuracy problems :) 09:56 oof 09:56 rip 09:57 F 09:57 just wizmoded regular slashem: polyd into fire vampire, attacked a cockatrice, my char only attacked with the quarterstaff and didn't turn to stone 09:58 try it barehanded 09:58 think that's what I saw it with 09:59 wtf 09:59 yeah I turned to stone 09:59 yeah 09:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha), 1791 points, T:849, killed by a small crossbow bolt 09:59 dangerous 09:59 that's stupid... 09:59 yup 09:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 947 points, T:1995, killed by a wounded giant ant 10:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 232 points, T:1048, killed by a wounded brown mold 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:30493 10:02 huh clk monk gets tinker ability 10:03 <@malor> do you mean they can create gnomes at will? 10:03 they can upgrade items at will 10:03 so I just upgraded my starting robe to a robe of power 10:03 <@malor> what does that do? 10:03 <@malor> wow. 10:04 which despite the name doesn't give 25 str 10:04 but boosts spellcasting 10:04 :P 10:04 and oh my days is there no cooldown for it 10:04 <@malor> nice, just pick up random junk and artifact away, right? 10:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:30510 10:04 yeah tinker has no cooldown, Amy must be crazy because she illogically added one in slex, but f**k her and her retarded variant :P 10:04 ahah this is epic 10:05 tinker already takes 200 or so turns to finish, which is its own cooldown 10:07 [hdf-us] [slth] k2 (War Dwa Mal Law), 174 points, T:433, killed by Mr. Gweebarra, the shopkeeper 10:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1771 10:09 so casting acid blast on yourself doesn't stop stoning. shouldn't it? 10:09 not sure how winding works for clk in slth 10:09 (asking for a friend) 10:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3565 10:11 <{Demo}2> found another bug... hmm 10:11 <@luxidream> I don’t think getting hit by an acid ray cures stoning in vanilla either 10:11 <{Demo}2> unless... 10:11 <@luxidream> gotta get it in your system 10:12 luxi: probably right since i don't think this is something k2 messed with 10:12 <{Demo}2> oh nice, still a valid bug 10:12 what luxi said 10:12 acid has to get inside to work 10:12 you'd think you'd be able to cast it at yourself with your mouth open 10:13 yeah 10:13 <{Demo}2> potential write out of array bounds 10:13 amateurhour PR for mouth function when 10:13 that would explode you from the inside in a blast of acid 10:13 sounds not fun 10:13 not if you are acid resistant 10:13 it'd presumably go under #monster because not every form has a mouth 10:13 <@luxidream> eyes function first 10:14 <@luxidream> having no eyelids sucks 10:14 hahaha how is getting blinded by a yellow light real just close ur eyes haha 10:14 if you poly into a monster that's considered stone (gargoyle, etc) does that cure stoning? 10:14 <@luxidream> I’ve done that before 10:14 amateurhour if the light source is bright enough, closing your eyes isnt always sufficient 10:15 ^ science 10:15 Can cofirm. 10:15 science-based dungeons when 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1146 10:15 zapm/prime 10:17 <@luxidream> Wait, what if you could fill potion bottles with acid blast 10:17 You could turn potions of water into improvised explosives after a fashion 10:17 <{Demo}2> https://github.com/Soviet5lo/SlashTHEM/blob/develop/src/read.c#L2116 amy, the type of ice block missed a nerf to remove? 10:18 what?? yeah that needs to be fixed ASAP 10:18 file an issue! 10:18 lol K2 nice issue you filed 10:18 charm monster must, by all means, always tame everything around you that fails a resistance check, because otherwise, what's the point to even casting that spell? 10:18 it's still an issue in slex 10:19 yeah but fixing that in a way that ensures the inventory still gets written to the dumplog is difficult 10:19 charm is such a great spell 10:19 why does slex have to run such a stupid version of the dumplog patch :( why didn't we just pull the one unnethack uses? 10:19 blame the developer 10:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 171 points, T:725, killed by a wounded gnome queen 10:21 <{Demo}2> bleh, this shit has old dnh bugs 10:21 <{Demo}2> that i dont even wanna think about 10:21 I think you mean 10:21 yay, this shit has old dnh bugs 10:21 that i want to abuse in junethack 10:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha) averted death, on T:3947 10:22 <{Demo}2> i mean shitty ones 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2828 10:24 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3415 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "E", on T:3018 10:26 <{Demo}2> amy wants iwbtg? 10:26 <{Demo}2> whats 10:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3129 10:26 {Demo}2: i wanna be the guy mode, you can jump but are a one-hitpoint wonder 10:27 <{Demo}2> i see if u land on a sword, u die 10:27 yeah because why would you jump into a sword, you ******? :P (from the actual iwbtg game, obviously) 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:31903 10:28 <{Demo}2> ugh, another read after free 10:28 where? 10:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] repeat (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2369 points, T:5497, killed by an uninjured rothe, while fainted from lack of food 10:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5357 10:30 <{Demo}2> oh on second look maybe not. really sucks how messy the indentation is in nethack sources in general 10:30 how do you get wound up as a slex clk? 10:30 you don't 10:31 what 10:31 there is no "winding" mechanic in slex 10:31 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3990 10:31 might be one in slashthem though, I dunno 10:31 oh, they just can't eat or something and that's it? 10:31 @luxidream I assume the acid summoned by a spell is magical acid that vanishes after the attack is over 10:32 yeah, figuring out how to not starve is an exercise for the player in slex ;) 10:32 kinda sucks 10:32 lol 10:32 :P 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5540 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:5707 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4493 points, T:5729, killed by a wounded soldier ant 10:36 this is nice. my salamander can pick up things in molten lava 10:36 [hdf-eu] [slth] amateurhour (Mon Clk Mal Neu), 1206 points, T:2453, quit 10:38 watching crypto things makes me sad right now 10:38 i should drink and play nethack instead 10:38 play a nice relaxing game of dnh 10:40 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:6593 10:41 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:6617 10:41 -!- luisjomen2a has joined #hardfought 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 200 points, T:893, killed by an uninjured small mimic, while fainted from lack of food 10:42 stenno why u sad? 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 24 points, T:19, killed by an uninjured fox 10:44 things go down lol 10:44 i made 750 yesterday, and today i will lose 400 10:45 you only gain/lose if you sell 10:45 yesterday was nycg nire exciting 10:45 lol 10:45 much more* 10:45 thats true 10:46 technically i am still just 4000 euro down 10:46 gotta get used to that rollercoaster i guess 10:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3127 10:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3127 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 304 points, T:3238, killed by an uninjured gnome, while fainted from lack of food 10:51 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 10:52 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:8225 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:1250 10:52 I'd honestly rather play regular stocks at this point, crypto personally seems very Not Worth it. 10:52 It* 10:53 Also a majority of people pushing that shit turn out to be weirdos, to put it lightly. 10:53 <{Demo}2> casino is closed 10:53 Umbire when i stopped mining bitcoin, it was worth about 390 usd or so per coin 10:53 i've held onto my btc ever since 10:53 now one btc is worth over 56k usd 10:53 <{Demo}2> hope u have a lot 10:54 you still have your btc from mining? 10:54 nah 10:54 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "3 cursed genocide", on T:8286 10:54 Only if you turn them back into real money before the bubble bursts... 10:54 stenno2 i have some left over yes. less than 1 coin 10:54 but there's a non-zero number just to the right of the decimal :) 10:55 nice 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6752 10:55 Pinkbeast i wont cash in until it hits six figures 10:55 <{Demo}2> daggers can mulch in this god awful variant :( 10:56 Umbire: The all-in cultists don't help it, no, but I think more fundamentally that like any Ponzi _some_ people will cash out but most people are going to take an absolute bath is the issue 10:56 did anyone here jump in on the GME craze? 10:56 ^ stocks 10:56 No. 10:56 i did lol 10:56 Some of them are still convincing itself it's going to go back up _any day now_, poor bastards 10:56 just a lil bit 10:57 just a few shares 10:57 K2: Tell me you cashed out on that one, at least. :-) 10:57 <@nabru> I didn't 10:57 didnt spend anything i couldnt afford to lose 10:57 Pinkbeast no i am still holding. if i were to sell at this moment i'd be at about a 60% loss 10:57 Ouch 10:58 no ouch 10:58 i havent lost anything yet 10:58 <{Demo}2> "The hobbit's elven mithril-coat blocks the kitten. The kitten bites the hobbit. The hobbit is killed!" he didnt drop his mithril 10:58 you only lose if you sell lower than what you bought in at 10:58 <{Demo}2> wtf amy you lied about this variant 10:58 <{Demo}2> you said it undid all your stupid "balance" changes 10:58 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:8558 10:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9156 10:58 {Demo}2: what, that's impossible, should have been fixed ages ago 10:58 That kind of only works if it _ever_ goes back up 10:58 again, file an issue because monsters are supposed to smother you with loot dammit 10:59 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Enchantress, on T:8581 10:59 we'll see 10:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 1680 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Artvin's used armor dealership, on T:1735 10:59 heh poor soviet, once he logs back onto github he'll be shocked by the huge amount of issues that was suddenly opened 11:00 are you still salty about some of your changes being reverted :P 11:00 amateurhour: in case you haven't noticed, I'm the interim maintainer of slashthem, here to cover up the kidna-err I mean, voluntary hiatus of Soviet5lo and provide entertainment for all SLASHTHEM players until he comes back and fixes things once and for all ;) 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:7390 11:01 gotta eradicate every last trace of that filthy slex garbage that no one needs anyway! 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a crocodile, on T:7501 11:02 https://i.ytimg.com/vi/XMCtaPOZ0OA/maxresdefault.jpg 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Digger, on T:2111 11:02 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:8969 11:02 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:8970 11:02 LarienTelrunya why you covering down for soviet5lo? we're still waiting for slex fixes :) 11:03 yeah I'm working on 2.70, will push yet another commit shortly 11:03 I'm going to make my own variant of slex called slashem extended reduced 11:03 it's just going to be slashem 11:03 when will 2.7.0 be ready for the public? 11:03 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:9062 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:1784 11:04 K2: couple days of work, but the problem being that I have a lot of tours so I don't actually have as much time in a block as I'd like 11:05 at least today I only have a late shift, for which I'll have to leave in a bit over an hour 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2058 11:06 next three days I'll basically not be at home much at all though, sadly 11:07 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed amulet of reflection", on T:33456 11:09 -!- AndroUser2 has joined #hardfought 11:11 this game is so busted 11:11 early luckstone, pre-castle wow, no need for soko 11:12 -!- wvc has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:12 <{Demo}2> instead of ascending, give moloch the ammy 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3022 points, T:2589, killed by a slightly wounded djinni 11:12 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:12 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "holy fixed ring of conflict", on T:9163 11:13 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Asu Mal Law), 14607 points, T:2493, quit 11:13 {Demo}2: not getting the armor is literally impossible, because the timebasedlowerchance function doesn't exist in slashthem 11:13 <{Demo}2> then why didn't I get it? 11:14 <{Demo}2> should I actually open an issue? 11:14 <{Demo}2> I decided to quit caring and leave slth alone 11:14 seems like a bug to me, yeah 11:14 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1322 points, T:2260, zombified by a gnome zombie 11:14 could in fact be an old slex bug that got carried over to slth 11:15 <{Demo}2> slth is way too slex tainted for me 11:15 where are you playing anyway, and which version? 11:15 <{Demo}2> I stopped playing after the mithril didn't drop 11:15 <{Demo}2> cause I don't wanna play that fucking shit 11:15 scamazed 11:16 <{Demo}2> if that's how that variant is, it isn't worth my time 11:16 <{Demo}2> way too slexy 11:16 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:9285 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:33605 11:18 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:9341 11:20 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Vam Fem Cha), 835 points, T:1889, killed by a little dog, while helpless 11:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:46814 11:21 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:9546 11:21 <{Demo}2> orcus porkus 11:21 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 11:22 <{Demo}2> it's like hocus pocus 11:22 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:22 <{Demo}2> but what wizards say when they kill orcus 11:22 rather sounds like what porkman would say when he kills orcus :P 11:23 so! 11:23 its pastis time 11:23 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:9656 11:23 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:9657 11:24 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 81 points, T:261, killed by a rabbit 11:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:2391 11:28 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:9967 11:28 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:9968 11:29 food time 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:9502 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47619 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:47625 11:30 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:10029 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3344 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:47797 11:31 <@the_eternal_paradox> are you kidding me I got a peaceful djinn from a magic lamp ;-; 11:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha) wished for "the blessed wallet of perseus", on T:11240 11:32 #name m Disappointment 11:32 20% chance for peaceful djinni right 11:32 from blessed lamp 11:32 that's so annoying when it happens 11:33 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:10197 11:33 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:10200 11:34 <@luxidream> amateurhour: I usually forcefight them out of anger 11:35 <@luxidream> But that works too 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:47989 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:47990 11:38 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2397 points, T:3247, zombified by an orc zombie, while unconscious from rotten food 11:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Burglar, on T:48017 11:41 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:10717 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:38133 11:42 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:10861 11:43 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 3199 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:10998 11:44 lux: this game is dumb 11:44 can probably still do sub-2h but it doesn't even feel like a proper challenge, the dungeon was too busted 11:45 <{Demo}2> whats the seed? 11:45 i didn't set one 11:45 i just like the timer lol 11:45 <{Demo}2> will it show it in the xlog entry? 11:45 not sure 11:45 <@luxidream> did you get 3 wow 11:45 nah just one early wow 11:45 <@luxidream> I see two almost full wows 11:45 but i got a luckstone earlymines 11:45 boh 11:46 earlywish for SDSM 11:46 skipped soko except for the first level lol 11:46 never had to go to mines end 11:46 <@luxidream> Ok see what time you get 11:46 well im wasting time talking here now 11:46 lol 11:46 <@luxidream> Then goooo 11:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4615 11:47 think setseed is taken from unnethack and there its in dumplog and also in xlog 11:47 um i think it was his own implementation stenno2 11:47 also he said he was inspired by acehack's one 11:47 im not sure how much it's related to unnethack if at all 11:47 pretty sure its taken from unnethack 11:48 you seem pretty sure for somebody who's wrong :v 11:48 infinigon: what say you 11:48 <@luxidream> no he did most of it by himself 11:49 would be rather silly given already existing implementations 11:50 <@luxidream> aoei: where were you when you saved 11:50 i didn't save 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4812 11:55 <@the_eternal_paradox> mmmmm ehhh is a blessed tinning kit worth wishing for as incant 11:55 <@the_eternal_paradox> I ask this every time but I really just can't decide 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed tsingi's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4920 11:58 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:12110 12:00 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "holy fixed +7 unicorn horn", on T:12203 12:01 [hdf-eu] [slth] amateurhour (Mon Dop Mal Cha), 9930 points, T:2955, killed by reverting to unhealthy doppelganger form 12:02 oops forgot polycontrol was xlvl 9 not 7 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:49598 12:03 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:12528 12:04 [hdf-eu] [xnh] SeamusMcRed (Bar Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:13363 12:04 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:12551 12:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2638 12:06 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) killed Demogorgon, on T:43532 12:07 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by uninjured Pestilence), on T:12651 12:07 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 342758 points, T:12655, killed by wounded Pestilence (with the Amulet) 12:07 [hdf-eu] [seed] Stella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by wounded Pestilence), on T:12654 12:07 oh shit lol 12:07 that went badly wrong at the end 12:08 woulda probably been fine if i recharged my death wand sooner 12:08 i mean i didn't recharge it at all before getting cornered by death and pesty 12:08 and then i was like oh crap 12:08 :< 12:08 <@luxidream> Wuh oh 12:08 also neutral altar 12:09 i tried to snap lightning to kill pesty and destroyed my wishing wands lmao 12:09 livelogging bug there I guess 12:09 bleh 12:09 <@luxidream> He is immune to lightning 12:09 >.< 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:34082 12:09 ._. 12:09 i am dum 12:09 <@luxidream> The elemental wand explosions do damage of that element 12:09 blunder 12:09 noob mistake tbf 12:09 stenno2: fuck off 12:10 <@luxidream> death does a large amount of non elemental damage 12:10 aoei: lol 12:10 yeah i couldn't snap death tho 12:10 or i could 12:10 but 0 charges 0 damage 12:10 lol 12:10 calm down, no need to get upset 12:10 who said i was upset 12:10 i just told you were you can go 12:10 :P 12:11 just making fun of you 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:34218 12:11 i am bad 12:11 wiz is fun tho 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:34231 12:12 i am also tired now 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:10923 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:49753 12:13 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:50152 12:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3773 points, T:4103, killed by a wounded giant mimic 12:18 dying to mimic 12:18 noob mistake tbh 12:19 lol 12:19 :P 12:19 i aint even mad 12:19 shut up im not mad ur mad :V 12:19 ... wait 12:19 dammit 12:20 also DOT just hit an ATH and i am in there 12:20 say what 12:20 !8ball am i bad 12:20 aoei: Very doubtful 12:20 oh phew 12:20 @luxidream it's ok im not bad 12:21 https://coinmarketcap.com/currencies/polkadot-new/ 12:22 <@luxidream> !8ball is aoei good 12:22 @luxidream: Ask again later 12:22 <@luxidream> Ok fair 12:22 <@luxidream> !8ball am I trash 12:22 @luxidream: Don't count on it 12:22 saved by the bell 12:22 is there a boxer role in any variant 12:23 <@luxidream> Yeah, it’s in vanilla 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) genocided class ;, on T:50379 12:23 <@luxidream> Not that strong though 12:23 is there a boxer dog in any variant 12:23 boxer role? 12:23 oh i guess monk 12:23 pugelist 12:23 imagine monks getting saved by the bell 12:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Lord Surtur, on T:11625 12:24 one of these stenno http://1.bp.blogspot.com/-2ANpOLMZrio/UVaF7uaCbCI/AAAAAAAAAyY/KSUTX-W-CKQ/s1600/Boxer+Dog.jpg 12:24 <@luxidream> Just give them little Mac KO punch as a technique for balance 12:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:11627 12:24 or just gauntlets of force 12:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 129 points, T:598, killed by a wounded dwarf 12:24 that one started with slow digestion 12:24 nm this one started with it too 12:24 amateurhour: that is one beefy boxer dog 12:25 <@luxidream> Are you doing foodless tc 12:25 <@luxidream> But you ascend before needing food 12:25 <@luxidream> Or something 12:25 just doing foodless 12:25 without anything else 12:25 beefy chonker 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:50499 12:25 i gave up on paci for now so i am doing foodless instead 12:25 what does foodless involve? do you just pray for feeding? 12:26 <@luxidream> Wear slow digestion 12:26 <@luxidream> Win normally 12:26 yeah prayer, then later polyself into own race 12:26 feed me thoth *opens mouth towards sky and waits* 12:26 and crowning for resistances 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed partly eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:50501 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:35635 12:26 starting with SD gives the advantage that you can pray for HP 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:50511 12:28 you can also just do foodless atheist polyself tc run 12:29 what does tc mean in this context? low turncount? 12:29 but only if you git gud 12:29 !8ball is stenno good 12:29 aoei: Yes definitely 12:29 well, news to me :o 12:29 thx 12:29 qt: yes 12:29 !8ball am i really, really bad 12:29 aoei: My sources say no 12:29 !8ball am I just really bad 12:29 aoei: Yes 12:30 ok fair 12:30 lol 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4781 12:30 orctown 12:30 hmm 12:30 f 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4843 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:50601 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4885 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1455888 points, T:50664, killed by wounded Famine (with the Amulet), while fainted from lack of food 12:35 !8ball run it back? 12:35 aoei: Ask again later 12:35 k 12:35 !8ball should i give up on life? 12:35 aoei: Yes 12:35 f :( 12:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful pony, on T:5348 12:39 guessing it's a bug and not a feature, but if you apply gray stones to metal objects you can identify them in slth 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "a blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:12318 12:39 huh 12:39 the message says 'sparks from your flint' but then it's identified as e.g. a healthstone 12:40 or luckstone or whatever 12:40 found my bones 12:41 apiary mines end can be pretty nasty lol 12:41 aoei: I used to have a life but I traded it in for a faster CPU and more memory 12:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:90940 12:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2749 12:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:90941 12:43 Pinkbeast: how's that working out for you 12:44 <@luxidream> !lastgame Urc 12:44 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Urc/nethack/dumplog/1612747893.nh.html 12:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:15992 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:37797 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:5630 12:49 heh 12:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful sewer rat, on T:3080 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4742 points, T:5377, killed by a killer bee, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2444 points, T:2988, quit 12:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 43 points, T:64, killed by an uninjured newt 12:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1165 points, T:3445, killed by a bolt of cold 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:12879 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:12885 12:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1373 12:57 orctown again 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:13006 12:57 <@luxidream> stennoed 12:58 if stenno then orctown 12:58 lmao 12:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:38427 13:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:91270 13:01 <@luxidream> oh aoei when you were playing on nao 13:01 <@luxidream> there were many watchers 13:01 Hm? 13:02 <@luxidream> it looks like you are famous now 13:02 how do you know 13:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:91279 13:02 ;o 13:02 <@luxidream> you can see the number of watchers 13:02 oh huh 13:02 wait when was i playing on nao 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3939 points, T:6057, killed by an uninjured white unicorn 13:02 the valk game where i didn't quite make sub-2 13:02 <@luxidream> the 2:16 valk 13:02 right 13:03 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/812746191472951316/unknown.png 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Banneret, on T:38879 13:03 <@luxidream> W = number of spectators 13:03 <@luxidream> you had 6 13:03 neat 13:03 i hadn't noticed that feature before 13:04 luxidream: https://imgur.com/gallery/7pL92Lr 13:06 most I've had personally is 5 I think, but that was an one-off 13:06 <@luxidream> how did you know FIQ 13:06 <@luxidream> were you looking at the watch menu to see how many you had? 13:06 @luxidream when it was obvious that a bunch of people were following my game, I got curious and looked 13:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 496 points, T:1318, killed by an uninjured gnome 13:07 it was the junethack 30s-before-end victory 13:07 <@luxidream> oh wow 13:07 back in 2017 or so 13:07 more pastis 13:07 <@luxidream> might have been all of ootc 13:07 i might try a valk run tonight 13:08 !rng nao | hfe 13:08 aoei: hfe 13:08 sold 13:08 <@luxidream> jonathanhanes had like 8 spectators 13:08 :o 13:08 hype 13:08 https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/FIQ/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-06-30%2023%3A59%3A28%2C%20FIQ-Wiz-Gno-Mal-Neu%2C%20ascended.txt 13:08 <@luxidream> when he was playing the final game for nethack master 13:08 23:59:28 apparently 13:08 nethack master? 13:08 back soon 13:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Famine, on T:91348 13:09 <@luxidream> there is a tnnt trophy for a team ascending every race/role/align combo 13:09 <@luxidream> and gender 13:09 yo luxidream you gonna solo nethack master this year? 13:09 ahh 13:09 cool 13:09 <@luxidream> total 73 13:09 I think there's too many games for that 13:09 <@luxidream> it's possible but I don't want to do it 13:09 that's an average of 2.4 ascs per day or so 13:09 e z 13:10 <@luxidream> maybe I will make the monthly record 69 13:10 <@luxidream> then retire forever 13:10 i got that trophy 13:10 last tnnt 13:10 <@luxidream> you ascended 73 times stenno? 13:10 no, but all race role alignment and gender trophies 13:10 -trophies 13:11 oh every combo 13:11 if you're gonna do 69 ascs you might as well just go for solo nethack master 13:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap (5 times), on T:91374 13:11 <@luxidream> no I would leave it at 69 because it's funny 13:12 <@luxidream> we would have tried for dominator, but the pacifist game was lost to displacing a pet over water 13:12 <@luxidream> maybe next year 13:13 i want to do all conducts in vanilla for junethack 13:13 full monty 13:14 the 12 classic ones at least 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3912 13:16 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 13:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Pestilence, on T:91429 13:17 <@luxidream> I think that's what Tone was trying for 13:17 <@luxidream> maybe he will make another attempt this year 13:17 Just logged in — what was he going for? 13:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1132 points, T:4005, killed by a nearly deceased dwarf 13:17 can he ascend 13 times? 13:18 <@luxidream> all vanilla conducts + all roles + all races in a streak 13:18 wait in a streak? 13:18 Whoa 13:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 372 points, T:1025, killed by a heavily wounded small mimic 13:18 That's ... nuts 13:18 thatd be full monty wbo 13:18 <@malor> has that ever been done luxi? 13:18 yes 13:18 by marvin 13:18 <@malor> who is marvin? 13:19 legendary nethack player and current maintainer of the... uh... amiga port? 13:19 <@malor> 94.4% 13:19 <@luxidream> some guy who maxinted score in every role in a streak 13:19 <@malor> what the 13:19 @luxidream, no, that was berry 13:19 <@luxidream> oh my bad 13:20 <@malor> what is maxinted? Is that a cheat or something? 94.4% seems impossible. 13:20 what is the 94.4% ? 13:20 <@luxidream> ignore that, I was thinking of someone else 13:20 <@luxidream> his asc rate on his "marvin" account 13:21 but his account is mrivan 13:21 Marvin has an insane run where he extincted/geno'd like everything 13:21 And then left a giant middle finger of ascii art in his bag devoted to the Nethack gods 13:21 no, thats stth 13:21 I was just looking at that this morning 13:21 stth is not marvin, and berry is also not marvin, and berry is also not stth 13:22 <@luxidream> sorry if we keep confusing the retired nethack players who are all really good together 13:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic whistle", on T:41673 13:22 they are all legends 13:22 god tier players 13:24 stth ascended all ending combinations 13:24 2 * 3 * 5 * 13 13:24 oh slightly less 13:24 can't change race 13:24 stth is the guy I stole my config from 13:24 -!- bort13 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:25 he's also the only one of the 3 I've actually talked with on a regular basis back when he still played 13:25 stth and aoei should probably figure out a way to trade letters in their name 13:25 yeah he had an insanely well documented 3.4.3-NAO config 13:25 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 13:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 4187808 points, T:91468, ascended 13:25 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AlbertB/nethack/dumplog/1612214797.nh.html 13:25 because he was the only one who still played when I started 13:25 of the 3 13:25 i remember berry being around too, but not marvin anymore 13:25 maybe i started when he was still active 13:25 he played a lot of dnh 13:26 i called berry a cheater at some point 13:26 or rather talked bad about his achievements 13:26 because he exploited some bugs 13:26 antigold bug 13:26 but i changed my mind about him 13:26 iirc there was a brief suspicion of RNG manipulation on Tariru 13:26 after they ascended slex 13:27 <{Demo}2> if you watch tariru play, you can see that their play makes no sense 13:27 <{Demo}2> they appear to be playing like a human would 13:27 because it was thought impossible :P 13:27 <{Demo}2> yet they are performing like a machine 13:27 yeah there is not much to actually learn from watching tariru, they just play, well, normal 13:27 nothing exceptional 13:27 really strange 13:27 the thing about Tariru is 13:27 <{Demo}2> yeah except for the outcome 13:28 they never make any *bad* choices 13:28 basically everyone plays slightly suboptimally because they enjoy it more that way 13:28 Tariru just... doesn't 13:29 well they made a bad choice going blind into a dwarf-dug tunnel on the game that broke their streak 13:29 i've chatted with atriru, as have several of us in this channel 13:29 stenno2: I think it mostly boils down to knowing exactly how well you can deal with each monster 13:29 er 13:29 tariru 13:29 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 526 points, T:2305, killed by a little dog 13:29 yeah tariru was a regular on irc back then 13:29 FIQ: right 13:29 FIQ: are you saying tariru is the long theorized Hypothetical Optimal Man 13:29 basically, none of that "ehh I'll be able to take this monster no problem, what could go wrong?" 13:29 aosdict: not literally, because they don't do the more extreme things 13:30 such as hoarding everything to sell 13:30 tariru uses elbereth a lot 13:30 and such 13:30 who is this tariru? 13:30 but Tariru does search for traps early on 13:30 Tariru is Zezima 13:30 constantly 13:30 for a bit of time i thought berry was adeon 13:30 a nethack celebrity? 13:30 something I'd find really, really tedious to do 13:30 so I just don't 13:30 even if I know it would lead to slightly less deaths 13:30 !player Zezima 13:31 !asc Zezima 13:31 stenno2: No games for Zezima. 13:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha), 6287 points, T:3206, killed by an Uruk-hai 13:31 xaleth: tariru is by g=far the most consistent ascender ever 13:31 infinigon: huh? 13:31 runescape player? 13:31 aoei: it would increase the pronounceability of both of your names. 13:32 oh lmao 13:32 sith, esao? 13:32 sohi 13:32 maybe 13:32 <@luxidream> I should disappear for a while and become mysterious 13:32 for me 13:32 *sith, etao 13:32 <@luxidream> ooooOoooO 13:32 stth is german 13:32 <{Demo}2> luxi u should come back as... duxilream 13:32 same as marvin 13:32 @luxidream you pulled that trick already 13:32 <{Demo}2> no one would expect it 13:33 when you snuck off to play dcss for a year 13:33 :P 13:33 amateurhour: what makes you say that? 13:33 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/812753857037074452/image0.png 13:33 lots of good german players 13:34 stth, marvin, squolly, stenno 13:34 (jk) 13:34 but the other three are really good 13:34 stenno2 is at least not a bad player 13:34 but idk if he's among the best 13:34 not among the best 13:34 he players just a tiny bit worse than me ;) 13:34 *plays 13:35 but in the waiting room 13:35 maybe i can increase my profile with the full monty 13:35 it was just a joke stenno sorry 13:35 ...unless? 13:35 if tone does full monty wbo he is immediately one of the best players ever 13:35 I guess I did almost reach kotw once (all but slex) 13:35 amateurhour: lol 13:35 which I suppose is a pretty good achievement all things considered 13:35 yaeh kotw is really good 13:36 only stth and probably tariru? have done it 13:36 iirc 13:36 stth got easymode kotw 13:36 before slex :P 13:36 well the one time we added grunt 13:36 it was not clear if grunthack was ascendable 13:36 but stth did it during junethack 13:36 for kots 13:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed tinning kit", on T:12423 13:36 kotw 13:37 apparently I have the 16th grunthack ascension overall 13:37 with 1 ? 13:37 because basically nobody played it back then 13:37 2 13:37 ah 13:37 overall 13:37 fucking gelcubes man 13:38 hm 13:38 no 13:38 I have 3 ascensions 13:38 ah nvm, 2 is right 13:38 I was confused because I thought k2 played grunt after me 13:38 so I thought it was only counting hdf ones 13:39 but no, gho is included so yeah 13:39 getting really menalcholic thinking back of the old times 13:41 <@luxidream> these are good days for nethack too, no? 13:42 better than they were a few years ago, yeah 13:42 you broke the adeon record 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:21178 13:42 tariru broke the other adeon record 13:43 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 357 points, T:811, killed by a hobbit 13:43 <@luxidream> makes me wonder if maud's bonesless is untouchable 13:43 i doubt it 13:43 <{Demo}2> for tc? 13:43 <{Demo}2> what is maud's bonesless? 13:44 <@luxidream> I think it's like 23xx 13:44 <{Demo}2> ok tc was the right category to guess 13:44 <@luxidream> 2391 13:44 unfortunately billdacat plays with bones for no apparent reason 13:45 <@luxidream> I don't think there is as much skill in the bones stuffed category 13:45 <@luxidream> but he does have the record there, so 13:45 of course not 13:45 otoh the current meta seems to be scumming for a first room wow so 13:46 <{Demo}2> thats how u know its gotten too low 13:46 <{Demo}2> when progress on it sensibly mandates shit like that 13:46 yeah 13:46 <{Demo}2> thats why i hate speedrunning 13:46 <@luxidream> you can get sub 1h without a wow 13:46 <@luxidream> it's really hard and I haven't done it yet 13:46 <{Demo}2> its always a race to see who can get it down to "bruteforce the rng until you get luckier than the last guy" 13:46 i mean turncount 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:21355 13:47 realtime is less luck dependent 13:47 bonesless post-343 record is nht 3979 13:47 <@luxidream> agreed 13:47 <{Demo}2> eventually all speed running devolves to a skill threshold + luck bruteforce 13:47 343 bonesless record is what lux said 13:48 i'd like to beat nht's bonesless record for 3.6 13:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:13402 13:53 Is the strategy with headstones, if I'm a non-lawful character, basically: Always dig them up and get the cursed items/gold 13:53 ? 13:54 <@Tone> You don't really need an early wow for a competitive turncount speedrun, you just need an ideal setup by turn 2k 13:54 <@riker> you can really just ignore any headstones 13:54 <@Tone> all the fast speed runs end up killing time at the quest before turn 2k anyways 13:54 Tone is right 13:54 <{Demo}2> you dont really need anything 13:54 <{Demo}2> other than to get the amulet to the altar fastest 13:54 my 3.7.0 tc record was without early wow 13:54 it's not sub-5k but it's not bad 13:54 5838 turns 13:54 iirc 13:55 <{Demo}2> eventually it will get pushed low enough that it won't be reasonable to do it without an early wow, or equivalent 13:55 no early wow or big scroll shops 13:55 <{Demo}2> that is just how speedrunning works 13:55 just early polykit 13:55 riker: It's not worth digging them? 13:55 <@Tone> the thing with turncount is it really starts at turn 2k 13:55 <{Demo}2> skill and strategy caps out before luck 13:55 <@Tone> a wow in the first few hundred turns is definitely a great way to set up though 13:55 but Tone in an ideal run you want to do everything you can before 2k 13:55 like, up to and including waking the wizard and vs detection 13:55 <@Tone> yep 13:56 i haven't had a run that good yet 13:56 my best so far is still incomplete and i levported to the quest from vlad's just after turn 2k 13:56 <@Tone> definitely a lot of favorable RNG getting to that point 13:56 also not really a legit run 13:56 that's StellaAutoWoW on nao 13:57 Okay, additional question RE: wands — should I keep them in a sack, pretty much always until I need them, or keep at least a wand of fire out for an emergency engraving of Elbereth? 13:57 currently saved after invocation, still sub-3k 13:57 <@Tone> Deathsushi: Once you have reflection you are safe to keep them in inventory 13:58 <@Tone> and you'll want to keep a good escape wand in inventory like teleport, digging, maybe fire, regardless 13:58 <@Tone> but don't carry like 10 wands because if they explode you'll take a ton of damage 13:58 Tone: A beauty, thank you. Been appreciating your twitch stream, BTW — I'm learning a lot! 13:58 <@Tone> be careful with container traps in all cases 13:58 {Demo}2: with what name do you want to be credited in the commit message, if you want to? it would look like "Unbelievable stupid bug fixed (reported by whatever_name_you_want) 13:58 <@Tone> Deathsushi: Glad to hear, thanks :) 13:59 <@luxidream> demo: to be honest I think the skill cap for rt is beyond my abilities 13:59 (X) Doubt 13:59 <{Demo}2> put demo in the name 13:59 <{Demo}2> just demo 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Deathsushi's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:10909 13:59 #Meta 13:59 <@luxidream> it's probably possible to consistently sub 1h and lower WR to sub 45 13:59 <@luxidream> but I'm not good enough to do that 14:00 <{Demo}2> nethack is a really weird game 14:00 <{Demo}2> its hard to predict how ppl can play it 14:00 {Demo}2: okay 14:01 henlo its me real demo 14:01 actually i would like u to put Chad Thundercock there 14:02 <{Demo}2> i didnt bother to actually report that one so i dont care about it at all 14:02 <{Demo}2> and i already got my touch on un with the PR to fix a different window related bug found with the same script 14:04 !tell LarienTelrunya can you steal the fix to applying pickaxes from somewhere? so 'a' doesn't just equip it but also prompts for direction *flundlebundle* 14:04 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, amateurhour. 14:06 does 3.7 get rid of the T:2k limit for quest entry? 14:06 <{Demo}2> ha 14:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha), 301496 points, T:14661, killed by a displacer beast 14:06 nope, though imo it totally should 14:06 <{Demo}2> 3.7 might be "progressive" compared to previous releases and dumb rules 14:06 agreed 14:06 <{Demo}2> but not even most variants do that 14:06 * FIQ pokes bhaak 14:06 also xlvl 14 for quest entry is bad and should feel bad 14:07 <@luxidream> ais likes xl 14 for quest 14:07 <@luxidream> so I don't think that's going anywhere 14:07 just change the exp formula 14:07 I would accept an xp curve change 14:07 <@luxidream> the intention is to force players to find alternate ways to level up 14:07 <{Demo}2> use dnh's :) 14:07 I like dnh's but I know some people would complain about things being too easy 14:07 <{Demo}2> they can shut up 14:07 {Demo}2: not hard at all 14:07 most people use the keyboard 14:08 <{Demo}2> yeah not hard to implement 14:08 <{Demo}2> :) 14:09 amateurhour: that's how pick-axes have worked since 3.4.3...? 14:09 <{Demo}2> "the intention is to force players to find alternate ways to level up" cursed gain level brings you a level up 14:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1346 points, T:1658, killed by a bone orcish arrow, while frozen by a potion 14:09 <@riker> xl14 and being forced to use alt means is weird to me with how few sources of that there are - foocubi dancing or GL potion really, since wraiths can be really rare and new players may not know 14:10 <@riker> and !oGL can be equally rare and your stats may suck too much for foocubi. its just a really weird justification imo 14:11 <@luxidream> wraith luring 14:11 <@luxidream> rolling dice with polymorph 14:12 <@riker> okay but how do you even discover wraiths without the wiki or whatnot 14:12 <@luxidream> chow down on everything and see what it does 14:12 <@luxidream> there are random wraiths too 14:12 you could see a pet eat it and gain a level if you're paying attention with a stethoscope 14:12 <@riker> the first lesson players learn is "dont eat funky corpses" :/ 14:12 FIQ what are you asking sorry? 14:12 if you don't have the pickaxe equipped when you press 'a' 14:12 in variants and vanilla it first equips and prompts for direction 14:13 in slex it just equips it 14:13 you then have to either use autodig or 'a' again 14:13 <@luxidream> unspoiled players will grind enough to find !ogl 14:13 <@luxidream> shouldn't be a problem 14:14 <@luxidream> enemies are even helpful enough to identify those for you 14:14 -!- Xaleth has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.8] 14:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed tromix's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:1678 14:20 [hdf-eu] [slshm] luisjo (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 1853 points, T:3168, killed by a dwarf 14:22 -!- qt has quit [Quit: brb] 14:22 @luxidream or @Tone what time is the thing tomorrow 14:23 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 14:24 i *think* we said 21:00 UTC+0 14:25 <@luxidream> 4 pm eastern 14:25 <@luxidream> so yea 14:26 ok cool 14:26 where did a devteam member say it's the intention to force players to find different level up methods 14:27 <@luxidream> ais talked about it once 14:27 huh who claimed this 14:27 lol ais 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:12350 14:27 i wouldn't really listen to ais on that one 14:28 I think it's one of those things in nethack that wasn't really anyone's intention, but just happened 14:28 that's my feeling too, tho I can't really back it up lol 14:29 its almost impossible to reach level 14 just by monster grinding 14:29 maybe ais has a post hoc justification for why it should remain that way, but I don't think someone ever said "we're going to make the cutoff and XP curve such that gaining levels enough to get to the quest by grinding will take forever" 14:29 it must have been obvious 14:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2266 14:30 I mean, nethack devs have a bad habit of not actually playing the game very much (myself included) 14:30 <@luxidream> I've gotten to 13 before by clearing out swamps 14:30 <@luxidream> there is bonus xp for eels and the like 14:31 also I don't think a lot of time was spent on figuring out the formula, it's just "lol it doubles every level" 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:39222 14:32 and probably someone said "well we need it to cut off at a rank title change so the quest leader can say "become a Foo and return and hey 14 is a rank title change so let's use that" 14:32 one more pastis and then maybe some paci playing 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:12810 14:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 137 points, T:733, killed by a falling rock 14:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible eraserhead97's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:18106 14:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:3007 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:39746 14:45 aosdict: pre 3.0.0, max level was 14. that's probably somewhat significant. the question is only, how much :) 14:47 bhaak: remind me when the quest was introduced? 14:47 3.1.0? 14:49 yes 14:51 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 0 points, T:14, killed by a water demon 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] mirril (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered Destroyer, her faithful kitten, on T:577 14:53 -!- qt has quit [Quit: restarting my terminal emulator] 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2641 14:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1304 points, T:399, killed by an uninjured sewer rat 14:54 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 14:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a mithril curved sword entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:14379 14:56 * aoei has pizza 14:57 hey so what're the rules on unrestricting a weapon of choice via crowning? 14:57 the wiki is rather confusing 14:57 is it just avoid the artifact gift somehow, and wield whatever you want? 14:57 yes 14:58 i tried to make it clearer but apparently i did a sucky job :c 14:58 what if you're a wizard or monk, do you have to dodge both the spellbook and vorpy (if example neutral monk) 14:58 you have to dodge a gift entirely 14:58 otherwise the bonuses only apply to your gift 14:58 which includes unrestricting 14:59 what kind of pizza aoei 14:59 <@luxidream> you will always unrestrict long sword or broadsword, even if you don't receive the weapon 14:59 yes, that too 14:59 but wielded weapon of choice only if you avoid gift 14:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 231 points, T:1665, killed by an uninjured red mold 15:00 qt: it has pepperoni and little jalapeño pieces on it 15:00 <@luxidream> 200 iq speedrun strat: crown with a mace to use SoM at basic 15:00 but honw it is all in my tummy 15:01 but artiwishes are bad and a waste of a wish, @luxidream 15:01 sounds good 15:01 [hdf-eu] [seed] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 517 points, T:231, killed by an uninjured rock mole 15:01 <@luxidream> they are 15:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:3961 15:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful large cat, on T:3975 15:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 388 points, T:225, killed by an uninjured wolf 15:02 maybe it should just always unrestrict whatever you're wielding 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 588 points, T:1761, zombified by a dwarf zombie 15:07 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 28 points, T:12, killed by a water moccasin 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 628 points, T:1698, killed by an uninjured dwarf, while sleeping 15:09 -!- luisjomen2a has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Robber, on T:25923 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7643 15:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2293 points, T:2473, quit 15:17 -!- stenno2 is now known as stenno 15:21 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 15:23 amateurhour: it doesn't 15:23 i checked 15:23 there's a variable called obj and it will unrestrict obj 15:23 but obj is only your wielded weapon if you didn't get a gift 15:23 or if you got a spellbook gift and you already know the spell 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Canoness, on T:40877 15:24 if you did get a gift (barring the spellbook exception thing) this obj points at your gift 15:25 and there's one bit of code that does all of the blessing, rustproofing and set enchantment to +1 if < +1 on this obj variable 15:25 and then unrestricts it 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:40902 15:25 so it'll do that to your gift or your wielded weapon, depending on what the situation is 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:8129 15:25 which is what i wrote in the wiki :V 15:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1180 points, T:1241, killed by a wounded dwarf 15:26 i wrote it succinctly but precisely and with complete information 15:27 it's just confusing for me i am but an amateur 15:27 and then i changed it slightly again just now 15:27 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Crowning#Alignment_gift 15:27 how does it look now 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:13177 15:27 when did you edit it? I'm seeing version from 8 mins ago 15:27 sounds about right 15:28 i made one edit yesterday and then tried to clarify a couple of things further just now 15:29 lmk what you think of the current version 15:29 probs needs mobi to take a peek too as they also found it hard to figure out 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Kos, on T:26494 15:30 Afterwards, the gift (if a weapon) is blessed, increased to +1 if below that, and made unrusted and rustproof. If no gift is given, or the gift is a spellbook for a known spell,[9] these bonuses are applied to your wielded weapon instead, and the corresponding skill is unrestricted. 15:30 rate this bit for clarity for me please 15:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1181 15:30 sounds fine to me 15:30 ok nice 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2219 15:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed tsingi's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:4331 15:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:13459 15:32 the rest of it maybe could still be reworked tho i guess 15:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 301 points, T:329, killed by a nearly deceased coyote 15:35 binance coin so disappointing 15:35 do i really have to sell high now 15:36 i don't want to sell high, i just want ot hold 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1343 15:36 i will just hold 15:36 eat the losses 15:37 400 euro losses today i'd guess 15:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:37 regarding the XL14 thing 15:37 4k allows you to enter the quest only once you reach XL14 15:37 ...or XL1 15:37 I kinda liked that 15:38 so you are supposed to level drain yourself before that? 15:38 don't really like it tbf 15:38 i like the unnethack way 15:38 kill the quest leader for entrance 15:38 stenno: nah I think it's more of a SAT bonus 15:38 also for pacifist benefit 15:38 pacis want to be XL3 to cast extra healing 15:39 er talking about paci healer 15:39 you should be able to just go in whenever imo, if you die you die 15:39 sure 15:39 if you want to 15:39 but you can go very far even at XL1 15:39 as long as there aren't any drainers around 15:44 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1699 15:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1139 15:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1230 points, T:1827, killed by an uninjured Woodland-elf 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 241358 points, T:14069, quit 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3554 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 744 points, T:1880, killed by a giant bat 15:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2826 points, T:3557, quit 15:47 [hdf-us] [un] mobius (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1707 points, T:4735, killed by a poisonous corpse 15:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1762 points, T:1371, killed by a wounded ape 15:50 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 186 points, T:499, killed by a hobbit 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 71 points, T:375, killed by an uninjured sewer rat 15:52 -!- yanah has joined #hardfought 15:53 <@luxidream> !lastgame HastyGlord 15:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:53 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/H/HastyGlord/nethack/dumplog/1613833796.nh.html 15:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1513 15:53 <@luxidream> oh no 😦 15:55 ouch 15:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 139 points, T:546, killed by a sewer rat 15:56 <@luxidream> I guess you could back that up with mjolnir but that really sucks 15:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5159 16:00 [hdf-eu] [xnh] SeamusMcRed (Bar Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:19747 16:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2914 16:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "", on T:3057 16:03 <@luxidream> Nice 16:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "", on T:3085 16:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:3086 16:04 lol Wertik 16:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3088 16:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 shield of reflection", on T:3094 16:06 lucky that it was 0:3 aparrently 16:07 last race i escaped out of a fountain wish lmao 16:07 i was momentarily annoyed 16:07 lucky to find WoW early in Sokoban 16:07 and then kept playing 16:08 i got luck and found GoP, Speed boots, and crystal plate mail in a store 16:08 err lucky 16:09 almost full armor kit before I even went down into mines 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8557 16:13 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Ran Cen Mal Neu), 220 points, T:319, killed by a water moccasin 16:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4036 16:14 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 16:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6184 16:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4144 16:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1855 16:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:8996 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu) stole 67 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Aksaray's used armor dealership, on T:1235 16:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed tin of green dragon meat", on T:4337 16:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5618 16:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "", on T:4382 16:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5940 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 821 points, T:1637, killed by a nearly deceased rothe 16:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:4232 16:27 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:28 [hdf-eu] [xnh] SeamusMcRed (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:21708 16:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4786 16:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15213 16:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7786 16:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a hexagonal amulet on an altar, on T:4955 16:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:4972 16:33 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 16:33 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 16:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) killed the Rat King, on T:15810 16:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (arch-liches), on T:15856 16:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:8753 16:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:15964 16:38 -!- yanah has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 412 points, T:985, killed by a wererat 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10018 16:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:10416 16:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Magician, on T:15916 16:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:6335 16:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 8065 points, T:10514, killed by a crocodile, while fainted from lack of food 16:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1966 16:42 sheesh..I got 4 rings of regen...need 1 slow digestion! 16:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Wertik (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6796 16:42 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 347 points, T:662, killed by a brown mold 16:43 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:45 -!- lxlldr has quit [Quit: Quit] 16:47 unnethack also has lowered the quest requirement to level 10 16:47 but killing your quest leaders works as well, as in sporkhack 16:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:7082 16:50 is a partially eaten lizard corpse sufficient to stop stoning? 16:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a python, on T:7408 16:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 307 points, T:3752, killed by a dagger 16:52 what should I revgeno to sacrifice to mollify god anger as chaotic? 16:52 yah Deathsushi you just have to nibble on it a bit 16:52 Excellent 16:52 -!- Anerag has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 16:52 amateurhour difficulty 11 or greater 16:53 yeah, but like what? 16:53 just wondering what a good idea is 16:53 -!- Anerag has joined #hardfought 16:54 do xorns always leave a corpse? 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4858 points, T:3701, killed by a wounded dust vortex 16:55 maybe trolls 16:55 ah yeah 16:56 like an ice troll? 16:56 yeah 16:56 I have unholy water 16:56 an ice troll is a nice troll, that's my motto 16:57 so much wasted time over getting holy water, sigh 16:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:8345 16:58 try playing evilhack infidel ;-) 16:58 moloch does not hand out holy water 17:00 mollified, woot 17:05 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 17:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:9160 17:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "3 cursed genocide", on T:9168 17:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:9169 17:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:9293 17:14 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:19 I think the monk bonus to to-hit only applies if you're not polyform'd 17:19 bhaak: i think they were asking more like, hey, when will vanilla get less annoying about quest stuff 17:19 in slashTHEM 17:19 the one that lets you bypass the 'need a +4 weapon to hit' thing 17:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy ring of conflict", on T:9436 17:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy teleport control", on T:9437 17:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:9437 17:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "holy fixed greased +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:9502 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2862 17:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:9618 17:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:9619 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:3420 17:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:9795 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3627 17:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:10079 17:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:10080 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3060 points, T:3652, killed by a wounded Mordor orc called Othaioth of Aigrisu 17:36 rip 17:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (killed by an uninjured balrog), on T:10319 17:38 go team ⛧ ⸸ 17:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide T-shirt of decay", on T:19259 17:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:10326 17:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Val Dwa Fem Law), 193010 points, T:10327, killed by a barely wounded balrog 17:39 oof rip 17:39 i hate yeenoghu so much 17:39 lol 17:39 !lastgame Stella 17:39 nabru: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1613855544.nh.html 17:39 did you need 17:40 free action?! 17:40 i was wearing it 17:40 but i was also dumb and tried to fight them with pick-axe for a while 17:40 probably woulda been fine if i was wielding Excal 😦 17:40 !8ball run it back? 17:40 aoei: Signs point to yes 17:40 okey then 17:42 <@nabru> !booze 17:42 * Beholder delivers @nabru a shot of booze, prayed over by Announcy at -13 degrees Celsius. 17:43 note to self, slow the fuck down if Yeeno shows up 17:43 that fucker cost me too many runs 17:43 already 17:43 😦 17:43 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 919 points, T:921, killed by a bone orcish arrow 17:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:19583 17:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Mon Cen Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:19584 17:46 ah I think the black market has a wand of wishing 17:46 I definitely can't afford it 17:46 what do 17:46 kill One Eyed Sam ofc 17:46 ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°) 17:46 :P 17:50 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: sorry for my connection] 17:51 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 17:51 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 17:51 hmm I could polymorph into a giant shoggoth and go for it 17:52 do eeeeet 17:52 <{Demo}2> amateurhour, wish for the key 17:52 <{Demo}2> that lets you branchport 17:52 <{Demo}2> and use it to PANIC the game!!!!!! 17:53 hahaha 17:53 <{Demo}2> net benefit: none 17:53 yey 17:53 i approve 17:53 good idea, then I get to replay this part and do it again 17:53 amateurhour: you have to do it 17:53 extends the fun yaknow 17:53 <{Demo}2> idk how easy it is to recover panic in that game 17:53 <{Demo}2> might not save anything 17:53 <{Demo}2> might shred 17:55 hmmm 17:55 tempted to try it, a wand of wishing is p good 17:56 I'm pretty sure it's a wow because it's 33300 zorkmids to buy 17:56 and I have a wand of death identified 17:56 but there might be some new wand I guess 17:57 I suppose I could just polyself into xorn 17:57 and run for it 17:58 how fast is Sam 17:58 committed a lil theftaroo 17:58 what are his attacks and shit 17:59 [hdf-us] [un] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 186 points, T:451, killed by a jackal 17:59 did you get away with it :o 17:59 well some monsters were summoned to get me 17:59 but it's alright 17:59 just need to remember to never go back 17:59 nice 18:00 if you have a head he can instakill you with thiefbane 18:00 lol jeez 18:00 also they're very fast and do a lot of damage anyway 18:00 time to see if it's a wow 18:01 hahaha it's not 18:01 kek 18:01 noooo 18:01 what is it lol 18:01 also f 18:01 The engraving is blurred, and you think you can see it twice! 18:01 hmm 18:01 hmm what is that?? wand of duplicating? 18:01 wand of carbon copy? 18:01 clone monster 18:02 laaaame 18:02 we play we say, black market wow, today 18:02 why is that so expensive? 18:02 no idea 18:02 if it duplicated items I could imagine it being pricey 18:03 clone castle wow with it 5head 18:03 if you gave an item to a monster and then duplicated the monster would it dupliacte the item? 18:04 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 847 points, T:1413, killed by a kitten 18:05 !who 18:05 spicycebolla: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh370] Bourne [dyn] | [hdf-eu] amateurhour [slth] | [hdf-au] No current players 18:05 ah in hindsight there's a lot of wands worth 500... 18:05 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/SlashTHEM_items#Wands 18:06 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:07 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 18:07 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 18:08 oh yeah there's loads heh 18:08 also wishing doesn't appear to be one of them 18:09 oh those are just the extra ones 18:09 duh 18:09 yeah 18:09 silly me 18:10 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:10 did slashthem have a big update or is it just new-to-us? 18:14 mostly the latter but apparently it's in active development again 18:14 which k2 noticed so he added it to hardfought 18:15 ^ that 18:15 You swallow the little pink pill. The pink sugar coating hid a silver wishing pill! 18:15 yesssssssss 18:15 i have officially ran out of lowercase letters for the main menu on dgl 18:15 *run 18:15 suck it wishless conduct 18:15 it, suck (1 each) 18:15 have you tried greek or cyrillic lowercase letters? 18:16 no 18:16 that is crazy talk 18:17 [redneck accent] we only use american letters in these parts 18:17 accented letters will be easiest to type for most people 18:17 lool 18:17 why are we jumping to accented when we have uppercase still 18:17 I can't quite do á é ä ö ő etc. in my sleep, but I can do it without looking at the keyboard 18:17 aint gonna use no gosh darned letters from gosh darn ancient italy 18:17 * K2 looks at his keyboard and sees zero accented letters 18:18 lol ancient italy 18:18 hello uppercase 18:18 K2: they aren't *written* on my keyboard, but I know where they are 18:18 crazy talk would be "have you tried coptic or cherokee lowercase letters?" 18:18 i have modifiers for accent but like 18:18 UPPERCASE 18:18 ITS A THING 18:18 I don't know how to type Greek or Cyrillic though 18:18 ais523 gotcha. just like i can do ™ in my sleep 18:18 ™ 18:18 ™ 18:18 lock slex behind a cryptic key combination 18:18 ° 18:18 i have a weechat plugin for that :D 18:18 amateurhour: LOL 18:19 K2: make it so 18:19 hahahah 18:19 amy will lose her shit 18:19 yeah 18:19 it'll be epic 18:19 she will flip the fuck out 18:19 you can change it back after he reaction 18:19 her* 18:19 clearly you need to put it behind Đ, so that people are tricked into typing Ð instead and getting an entirely different game 18:19 no, i wont do that to her. she's stressed out enough as it is 18:19 (the former is capital đ, the latter is capital ð) 18:19 do it for april fools but really have 'a' still load up slex 18:19 amateurhour: lmao 18:20 oh my... april fools - hitting key for game you want to play randomly picks another game 18:20 I actually approve of that as an April Fools prank (although probably only once per session or so) 18:20 probably only when starting a new game, too, so that it's less obvious 18:21 you might need to put slex into a separate pool, though, you don't want to inflict that on players who don't want it 18:21 no i wont do that either. i like it people actually you know... stick around 18:21 ais you might have missed chat earlier about the quest req and xp curve 18:21 someone mentioned you might know the origin of xlvl 14 for it 18:21 oh, xlvl 14 was the max level, a long time ago, you weren't meant to go on the quest until late game 18:21 that wasn't changed when the max level was raised to 30, which was probably a good thing 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:41548 18:22 was it easy to get to the max level before then? 18:22 I started with 3.6 so don't really know a lot about the earlier game 18:22 I don't know, I never looked into how the exp curve worked 18:22 I do know that Slash'EM changed the exp curve quite radically from vanilla, so maybe they disagreed with it 18:23 anyway, I don't think the original intention was to be able to go on the Quest itself (as opposed to Quest home) as soon as you reached it, and am not necessarily certain that instaQuesting makes good gameplay; however, the Castle is probably too shallow to work together with that design intent 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided class L, on T:41664 18:24 is this still current? - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Experience_level#Experience_points_required_per_level 18:24 i.e. if you want to lock out the main part of the Quest until later in the game, it is probably correct to do the same with the Castle 18:24 the curve for vanilla looks right, at least, unless it changed some time in early 3.6 while I wasn't paying attention 18:24 (generally speaking, assume I know almost nothing about changes between 3.4.3 and 3.6.1) 18:25 <{Demo}2> hard limits are very limiting on player style diversity 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 438 points, T:986, killed by a bolt of fire 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:41829 18:25 Well, I've had some games where I had to joylessly grind around to go from xlvl 13 to 14 so I could do the quest 18:26 made harder by having no Ludious 18:26 *Ludios 18:26 <{Demo}2> quest hard limits are """against the spirit of nethack""" 18:26 exp level 10 seems to be the agreed upon min level 18:26 I'd be cool with xlvl 10 18:26 <{Demo}2> what's the spirit of nethack? whatever anyone says it is 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:41882 18:26 I guess one way to think about it is, NetHack is a game of reaching milestones so that you can survive in and/or reach new areas 18:26 in early NetHack, entering Gehennom with no fire resistance was an instadeath, for example 18:27 are the quest levels also bound by the regular dungeon in terms of what kind of monsters can spawn based on your exp level? 18:27 -!- Guest27 has joined #hardfought 18:27 ais523 i remember that 18:27 so the question becomes "should reaching the Quest be something that's locked out so that the gameplay goal is working out how to reach xl14? or something that's always available so that the goal is working out when to do it?" 18:28 was in hack too if i recall 18:28 monster spawn difficulty versus dlvl/xlvl is something that is actually trivial to change 18:28 ^ good 18:28 if there were general agreement on a new set of rules, Quest-specific or not, it'd take about 3 minutes to implement 18:28 my question still stands though 18:28 IIRC currently, level difficulty of the Quest is based on the location of the Quest branch portal 18:29 ok 18:29 but, most Quests have a monster class bias, and the difficulty formula works differently for those 18:30 in 3.4.3 there were monster class bias issues such as the bias towards 'h' in the mines allowing mind flayers and master mind flayers to generate much earlier than normal 18:30 oh, and in NH4 for ages, there was a bug that made minesflayers merely unlikely as opposed to very unlikely, and it took ages to figure out that the probability had increased 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:42073 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:42074 18:30 because if people bug-report a super-rare event you think "oh, you just got unlucky" as opposed to "maybe this event has somehow become slightly less rare" 18:30 <{Demo}2> mkclass (h) in the mines doesn't even make sense to do 18:30 (it was still unlikely even with the bug, after all) 18:31 <{Demo}2> like, whose idea was that in the first place 18:31 {Demo}2 that's easy to suppress 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:42083 18:31 i've done it in evilhack 18:31 <{Demo}2> that's not how you make a random dwarf 18:31 <{Demo}2> that's how you make a random h 18:31 {Demo}2: well, it makes the branch play differently to the Dungeons due to most of the monsters being intelligent 18:31 <{Demo}2> and this is the dwarvish mines 18:31 and I think there were meant to be both dwarves and hobbits there, at least 18:31 <{Demo}2> not the h class mines 18:31 also, it's the gnomish mines 18:31 lol 18:31 the dwarvish mines are a different game entirely 18:32 <{Demo}2> it's under new management 18:32 maybe Angband, or Adom? 18:32 in Crawl, it's the orcish mines 18:32 the main roguelikes picked one major playable race each for their mines, I think there was some sort of tacit coordination going on (i.e. "all my competitors have done this but with different races, I don't want to copy any of them exactly but I want to keep up with the tradition") 18:32 -!- attie has quit [Quit: gone afk] 18:33 actually, Angband doesn't have branches, so it must be ADOM 18:33 I don't think anyone's been bold enough to make a human mines yet, though 18:34 elon musk's father 18:34 heh 18:34 and an elven mines would be out of character 18:35 the dwarvish mines would be Moria 18:35 heh, I just realised that in NetHack, elves use wooden weapons (either because they can't make metal or because they refuse to use it); whereas in Dwarf Fortress, elves refuse to use wood and get offended when you try to sell wooden things to them 18:35 I'd like to see the impish mines, sounds pretty cheeky 18:36 (they dislike the loss of trees) 18:36 <{Demo}2> wait until they find out about plastic 18:36 <{Demo}2> and how bad for the trees that is 18:36 in Pokémon, a Pokémon's personalilty has in-game effects, and "impish" is one of the competitively viable ones (IIRC, boosting Defence, reducing Special Attack, which is a combination that is often useful) 18:37 {Demo}2: the "spirit of nethack" aka "the philosophy of nethack" aka "nethackishness" has never been written down by the devteam so it's mostly up to interpretation what the player (or the variant dev) considers important features of nethack. 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:43050 18:37 so I see the word a lot in that context and hardly ever outside 18:37 bhaak: I have written down my personal philosophy behind NetHack4 but make no claims that it matches the devteam's intent as a whole for NetHack 18:37 <{Demo}2> bhaak, that's why it works so well in an argument about game mechanics 18:37 interesting, I wouldn't really associate impishness with being a defensive trait 18:37 <{Demo}2> cause you can never be wrong 18:37 are the names sort of random in pokemon or do they try to match the effects to the adjective 18:38 there's some attempt to match I think 18:38 e.g. Hasty is +Speed, -Defence, which makes sense 18:38 but some of them don't fit nearly as well 18:39 <{Demo}2> if you wanna play a variant with early game branch variety, play ndnh 18:39 does it have lots of branches, or randomized branches? 18:39 <{Demo}2> instead of only having the option of gnomish mines, you have 5 u can pick from 18:40 fwiw, vanilla has three viable early-game branches (Mines, Sokoban, mid Dungeons), which is probably enough (unless you hate Sokoban); it's later in the game where the branch variety is lacking 18:40 {Demo}2: you might never be wrong but your sanity might be called in question. for example if you state something like "nethack's most defining feature is having great graphics" 18:40 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 adom doesn't have dwarvish mines per se, but it does have dwarftown 18:40 monsters can resist genocide in slashTHEM and I hate that 18:41 now all my liches will be master and arch liches 18:41 <@FIQ> which basically fills the same purpose as minetown 18:41 huh, how come I got numbers after my name? I don't have a Discord account 18:42 <@FIQ> some shops, an altar tended by a priest (but not a "formal" temple, adom doesn't have those) 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Pri Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:43423 18:42 <@FIQ> ais523: you appear on discord as a native user except with a bot prefix, hence the numbers 18:42 <@FIQ> if I click on your nick to ping 18:43 ooh, so there's basically a bot me talking on Discord, as opposed to rld sending everything 18:43 -!- loli has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 18:43 <@FIQ> basically yeah 18:43 <@nabru> yep, you appear as a bot 18:43 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/812831874946695238/unknown.png 18:43 <@FIQ> there's an rld bot setting that causes rld to send messages as pseudo-users 18:43 over here on the IRC side we have rld relaying everything 18:44 <@FIQ> yeah 18:44 (we gave it a short name so that its name doesn't get in the way of saying the messages) 18:44 <@FIQ> there isn't really an option to do otherwise 18:44 that's really interesting 18:44 that it shows up as a fake user like that 18:44 <@FIQ> the option is only a year old or so 18:44 <{Demo}2> discord has like, features 18:44 <@FIQ> before then, it worked like irc 18:45 on the IRC side it comes down to the client, it'd be easy to implement a relaybot feature in clients 18:45 <{Demo}2> discord has supported the ability to do that for years now 18:45 pah, features... who needs 'em 18:45 but the state of IRC clients is almost as bad as the state of Usenet clients 18:45 <{Demo}2> the bridge bot being used wasnt updated to take advantage of that until recently 18:45 <@FIQ> @{Demo}2#0000 IRCv3 might become a thing.. eventually :P 18:45 you don't like tin ais523 18:45 I eventually had to stop reading rgrn "in person" because I couldn't find a working GUI client 18:46 hmm, curses 18:46 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 irc development is somewhat conservative 18:46 emacs has a GUI 18:46 <{Demo}2> as in curses tui, or as in the exclamation? 18:46 it might be doable, but generally speaking, for Internet stuff you leave open in the background (browser, email, IRC, etc.) I prefer it to have its own dedicated program that doesn't get in the way of my other programs 18:46 {Demo}2: TUI 18:47 e.g. I want to be able to close my browsers from the taskbar without worrying about closing something important at the same time 18:47 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 18:47 <@FIQ> never seen the term TUI 18:47 if I'm running a newsreader out of Emacs then that's going to interfere with my ability to edit things in Emacs, ditto a terminal 18:47 I like tin 18:47 but I haven't really tried anything else 18:48 I guess I could just use some obscure terminal that I'd normally never except for libuncursed testing, and use it only for tin 18:48 ais523: This is what terminal profiles are for. 18:48 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 people always seem surprised when I tell them I do all my programming in emacs, as if I could get anything done that way :P 18:48 jonadab: well, the state of window matching is somewhat shaky on Linux at the moment 18:48 If a terminal window has its own profile, color scheme, icon, etc., then you don't get it mixed up with other ones. 18:48 ais523: you can run separate emacs instances 18:49 bhaak: yes but they get window-matched together into the same taskbar slot 18:49 Oh, there are also screen sessions. 18:49 I have a mail emacs and an irc emacs 18:49 Do NOT underestimate the value of screen (or tmux, if you prefer). 18:49 <@FIQ> I use weechat for irc 18:49 jonadab: well I have tabs in my terminal, and have been known to open multiple terminal windows each with multiple tabs 18:49 ais523: Oh, eww, you don't completely disable that tasklist-item-merging misfeature? 18:50 <@FIQ> I've actually never used emacs for anything besides text editing 18:50 jonadab: it's taken me literal years to find a setup where it works properly 18:50 <@FIQ> heresy, I know 18:50 ais523: My terminal theoretically supports tabs; I never use them. 18:50 if you don't merge tasklist items, then windows can't always be in the same place on the taskbar 18:50 <{Demo}2> why would you ever use something like that 18:50 <{Demo}2> when u can just use tmux 18:50 unless you reserve multiple taskbar slots for them, or something like that 18:50 <@FIQ> jonadab: Same. The first thing I do when configuring a new terminal is to figure out how to get rid of all the fluff, window decorations, scroll bars, etc 18:50 {Demo}2: how many keystrokes is it to switch to a specific buffer in tmux? 18:51 <@FIQ> and then set up tmux 18:51 <{Demo}2> depends how you configure it 18:51 <@FIQ> I basically use it as a glorified tty 18:51 <{Demo}2> 0 mouse movements though 18:51 with my GUI tabbed terminals, I can have a nice list of all the tabs that are currently open permanently at the top of the screen, and switch to a specific tab with alt-1, alt-2, alt-3, etc. 18:51 <@FIQ> (I don't use an actual tty because I like alt-tab and more than 16 colors) 18:51 no mouse involved 18:51 Oh, I don't switch buffers from within screen. I detach, and use screen -D -R foo from the command line to attach to the session I want. 18:52 <{Demo}2> is there any reason you couldn't configure tmux to do the same? 18:52 you are not convincing me that your setup is better :-D 18:52 I should probably make an alias for that. 18:52 <@FIQ> @jonadab#0000 I just use ctrl+b N 18:52 ais523: Well, bear in mind, a large percentage of the time, I'm on a different physical computer from the last time I attached. 18:52 <@FIQ> with N being 1 for emacs, 0 for grepping, 2 for git stuff, 4 for irc, 9 for testing the application (if applicable) 18:53 jonadab: yes, this is why you'd use tmux over a GUI program, I've used it in that circumstance too 18:53 <@FIQ> 3 is a secondary related project to 0-2 if applicable, 5-8 is whatever 18:54 (also, I use the GUI version of Emacs normally, unless I'm termcasting it, although I typically start it from the terminal) 18:54 <@FIQ> I do everything besides browsing and gaming on a terminal 18:54 I used to use the GUI version of Emacs, but lately I haven't been, because it's too much of a hassle to deal with X11 forwarding. 18:54 Not Worth It. 18:55 right, because you're doing everything remotely 18:55 <@FIQ> very convenient since I tend to ssh on the go 18:55 <@FIQ> and I have everything ready 18:55 I think Emacs has some way to run the local GUI version and have it do the editing on a remote server over ssh or the like, but that's also clunky 18:55 Oh, sure. 18:55 It's called TRAMP. 18:55 Or at least it used to be. 18:55 <@FIQ> why should I use emacs on X 18:55 Before that it was ange-ftp. 18:55 and really, the text version is almost as good, the only real issue is the occasional keystroke mis-parse 18:55 <{Demo}2> fiq has one of the best workflows as far as im concerned 18:56 <@FIQ> when I get everything I want from the terminal version 18:56 does ctrl-digit work on the terminal version? 18:56 <{Demo}2> from what i remember from seeing pictures every now and then 18:56 apparently not, you need to type ctrl-u digit 18:56 But the thing is, Emacs on a GUI has really only one advantage (being able to access both of X11's clipboards), but eh. 18:56 <@FIQ> I also tend to always do vertical splits in emacs, so I very much like keeping in "tradition" with the 80 column limit 18:56 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 what does that do? 18:57 @FIQ: it gives a numeric prefix to a command, just like C-u does, it's just a little shorter to type 18:57 <@FIQ> ah, I basically never do that 18:57 alt-digit works too, although not in my terminal because I use that to change tabs 18:57 <@FIQ> I use a very limited subset of emacs commands 18:58 as does Esc-digit, because esc-is-alt/alt-is-esc is in full force in Emacs 18:58 Most of the commands I use in Emacs are custom ones I wrote myself in lisp. 18:58 <@FIQ> yeah 18:58 jonadab: I've written several, although I think most of the ones I use are builtins 18:58 <@FIQ> @jonadab#0000 I just use the default keybinds. They work well enough for me given how few commands I actually use 18:58 some of which I changed the bindings of 18:58 (Typically these are wrappers around one or more existing functions, that do some extra little bit of thing...) 18:59 I don't even remember what most of the default keybinds are, @FIQ. I kept M-x unchanged. 18:59 my favourite command I wrote myself was C-x C-o which deletes all the whitespace around point (including newlines), adds a space, and places point just after the added space 18:59 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:59 this is incredibly useful for any sort of whitespace change, it's normally within a couple of keystrokes of the command you want even if it isn't itself the command you want 19:00 Yeah, I have one that does something similar in a Gnus message buffer: turns off the pointless write protection, inserts blank lines to make the current line its own paragraph, wraps the paragraph, removes the blank lines. 19:01 Very useful when cretins send Netscape-style messages where every paragraph is a line. 19:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:01 <@FIQ> I think this is more or less everything I use on a regular basis: C-x 3 (vertical split), C-s (search), C-x o (switch between windows), C-v (pagedown), Ctrl + arrows (rapid general navigation), C-x b (switch buffer), C-x f (open a file from a substring in current git tree), M-% (search and replace) 19:01 I bound (fill-region-as-paragraph) (which IIRC doesn't have a default binding) to C-x M-q 19:01 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:02 actually, some large proportion of my .emacs file is just configuration of major and minor modes 19:02 -!- Guest27 has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 19:02 so that I can, e.g., flymake weird file types 19:02 is elbereth a good thing 19:02 Oh, Ctrl-h and the various things bound under it is another thing I left unchanged from the default bindings. 19:02 <@FIQ> @spicycebolla#0000 it's OP 19:03 <@FIQ> @jonadab#0000 C-h is help, right? 19:03 So e.g. Ctrl-h k [key] for help on what function that key is bound to. 19:03 Yes. 19:03 <@FIQ> yeah 19:03 I forget the C-h bindings sometimes 19:03 i feel like it's a bad thing, or an awkward patch over an undealt-with bad thing 19:03 <@luxidream> @spicycebolla 19:03 <@FIQ> anyway, wrt the above 19:03 @luxidream 19:03 <{Demo}2> if u r playing the slashthem hacker role, u have to write elbereth as "31b3r37h" for it to work (false rumor) 19:03 spicycebolla: If you think Elbereth is OP now, you should see how it used to be. 19:03 <@luxidream> weird that it is forcing you to type #0000 FIQ 19:03 <@FIQ> I think the fact that I can push out bug fixes within a minute of being made aware of them 19:04 <@luxidream> I can't even ping that 19:04 It has been repeatedly nerfed into relative oblivion. 19:04 <@FIQ> is enough of a sign that my emacs workflow works perfectly for me 19:04 it normally takes me longer than a minute to *test* the bugfix after making it 19:04 <{Demo}2> i just like everything sitting in that tmux ready to go hi and bye from in various locations 19:04 but yes, a minute seems about right for the rest of the workflow 19:05 I mean, it depends on the bug. Spelling fixes don't take long to test. 19:05 FIQ: out of interest, which method do you use to find the right piece of code to work on in the first place? 19:05 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 Oh yeah, true 19:05 <@FIQ> but this assumes a trivial bug, where I don't need to think 19:05 I've taken to testing even the trivial bugfixes like that 19:05 just in case I typo the fix 19:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:06 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 not entirely sure what you're asking, but I use rg (basically grep) to find stuff 19:06 the recent fix I made to libuncursed, I even tested in valgrind, because I was fixing an off-by-one in some memory allocation code 19:06 @FIQ: that's what I was asking 19:06 <@FIQ> I use rg instead of grep because it respects .gitignore 19:06 * jonadab loves what eshell does with grep. 19:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) became the Pirate King, on T:41118 19:06 <@FIQ> and it's implicitly recursive 19:07 on large projects I often use etags; you run etags on your source code every now and then (or as part of the makefile), then you can jump to function definitions and the like using C-. in Emacs 19:07 <@FIQ> Grep can do most of that (except respecting .gitignore) but that requires messing around with options 19:07 although it's a little buggy because sometimes the modeline gets used for two different things at once and Emacs becomes confused 19:07 I have a shell alias lf which automatically greps for function definitions, assuming NetHack-like formatting 19:07 I mostly use that rather than C-. if I'm just reading NetHack source, as I wouldn't have an editor open 19:08 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 I've tried etags. It works well enough but I didn't feel like it substantally improved my workflow and it did slow it down significantly whenever it ended up out of sync 19:08 I use rg for general grep-like tasks nowdaays, though 19:08 <@FIQ> confusing me 19:08 that makes sense 19:08 Yes, I don't need one more thing that I have to remember to keep updating. 19:08 actually I probably more often use the Emacs binding to grep through all files that etags searches 19:08 (I customized that binding, I don't remember what the default is) 19:09 you could probably use M-x grep or the like instead, but it's not quite as fast to type and won't see data in unsaved buffers 19:09 <@FIQ> I knew it was a thing but haven't looked into it 19:10 <@FIQ> generally, just switching tmux buffer works enough 19:10 well, you then need to cursor to the line it tells you to, if you're running the grep outside Emacs 19:10 rather than have it magically warp point to the exact place it needs to be 19:10 <@FIQ> I use M-g g for that 19:11 that said, I normally run aimake compiles outside Emacs 19:11 <@FIQ> unless I can just C-s myself to it easily enough 19:11 I use M-g M-g for go-to-line 19:11 weird how we have almost but not quite identical bindings for it 19:11 * (goto-line) 19:11 <@FIQ> when I work on gbz80, I just C-s instead 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1202 19:11 <@FIQ> because I can do "Foo:" and it'll immediately jump where I want 19:12 <@FIQ> since function calls lack the : 19:12 wait, is this written *in* asm? 19:12 or, hmm, you mean working asm programs meant to be run on a Gameboy, right 19:12 <@FIQ> gbz80 is asm, yes 19:12 <@FIQ> yeah 19:12 for a moment I thought you meant a Gameboy emulator, and I was thinking "why would that be written in asm" 19:13 <@FIQ> ah no :P 19:13 <@FIQ> I use bgb, in spite of it being a windows emulator 19:13 <@FIQ> because it's the only one with good debugging tools 19:13 I can't think of any other language which declares functions using a colon 19:13 <{Demo}2> i like the pokemon rom mods with a memory editor built into the game 19:13 (it probably exists, and I may even have seen it, I just can't think of it) 19:13 <@FIQ> @{Demo}2#0000 I think Prism's debug build has that 19:13 <{Demo}2> i know theres a yellow with it 19:14 <@FIQ> I'm sure it exists 19:14 <@FIQ> there might even be one coded with ACE 19:14 ais523: My goto-line binding is just Ctrl-g. ANd yes, I know Emacs by default uses that for something else. I don't care. 19:14 (A LOT of my bindings are like that. I don't care what the defaults are, I trample them routinely.) 19:14 <@FIQ> I use C-g to mean "wait no I don't want to do that" :P 19:14 jonadab: where did you move the "cancel current command" command to? 19:15 the only other default binding for that is esc esc esc which is kind-of dangerous when typed in other contexts 19:15 ais523: That isn't really something I use much, outside of shell buffers, where it's Ctrl-C. 19:15 wow 19:15 <@FIQ> I ought to make it harder to exit emacs 19:15 ? 19:15 <@FIQ> I've typed C-x C-c by accident a few times 19:15 I know a perfect Emacs user would never need to cancel a command midway, but in practice, C-g is one of the commands I use most 19:15 Oh, yes, my binding for exiting Emacs is M-x save-buffers-kill-emacs RET 19:16 <@FIQ> it's harmless since I save my session but annoying regardless 19:16 I probably exit Emacs intentionally more than most Emacs users do 19:16 <@FIQ> @jonadab#0000 I can't make it too obnoxious because I have emacs as EDITOR too 19:16 I think most people use it for all sorts of miscellaneous things, but for me, it's primarily an editor 19:16 (however, my EDITOR is nano, which i've also configured quite extensively) 19:17 <@FIQ> for stuff like commit messages 19:17 <@FIQ> where I write it, then do C-xsxc 19:17 I think there are something like 8-9 editors that I use at least occasionally 19:18 <@FIQ> I use nano when I am editing system files 19:18 I use nano for stuff like setting up /etc/apt/sources.lst so I can install Emacs. 19:18 <@FIQ> mostly because invoking emacs directly would cause it to try messing with my system files 19:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2257 19:18 random notes that I need for a few days but not permanently, I normally just leave in a gedit window 19:19 also I use gedit for level-editing Enigma levels, now I think about it I'm not 100% sure why 19:19 Oh, also, I use nano in the rare case where .emacs has a fatal error. 19:19 <@FIQ> that's another usecase for nano for me 19:19 Which is quite rare, since most things in my .emacs are protected by condition-case logic. 19:19 <@FIQ> I've never run into that 19:20 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 775 points, T:387, killed by dbanethacker's ghost 19:20 I've broken my .emacs in the past, but never so badly that Emacs won't run well enough to fix it 19:20 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 probably just muscle memory :P 19:20 <@FIQ> @ enigma levels 19:20 although, I guess if you have a lot of custom bindings, a broken .emacs would make Emacs almost unusable because all the bindings would be different from what you expected 19:20 Oh, I use gedit to "fix" the problem wherein certain program-to-program combinations otherwise do not allow sane copy/paste (e.g., web browser to OpenOffice). 19:20 Copy from web browser, paste to gedit, select-all, cut, go to OO.o, paste. 19:21 I use Kate for particularly hard-to-parse Perl programs because it's the only thing I've found that syntax highlights them correctly 19:21 <@FIQ> oh I know what you mean 19:21 <@FIQ> making rich text clipboard go away 19:21 <@FIQ> I assume you can configure that within X 19:21 ais523: The main really bad breakage you can do in .emacs, is screwing up the load path. 19:21 Rare, but I've had it happen. 19:21 I think there's a "paste unformatted" option within openoffice.org/libreoffice, too 19:22 ais523: There is, but there are cases where it still keeps the formatting. 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3181 19:22 … 19:22 I know. 19:22 It makes no sense. 19:22 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 the only thing I've struggled with wrt emacs is dealing with PHP files 19:22 <@FIQ> emacs really doesn't like to syntax highlight them properly 19:22 I don't think Emacs can fix PHP for you. 19:23 <@FIQ> there's a couple of add-ons but they never work quite well IME 19:23 Only way to make PHP code legible is to rewrite it in another language. 19:23 one of my main gripes with Emacs is that font-lock-mode is somewhat buggy as syntax highlighters go 19:23 <{Demo}2> "Only way to make PHP code legible is to rewrite it in another language." you write lisp 19:23 <@FIQ> @jonadab#0000 I was once dealing with wordpress related to a previous work 19:24 <@FIQ> which involved PHP 19:24 I think there may be a race condition in it or something like that, I've occasionally had to resort to changing major mode a couple of times in order to get it back to normal 19:24 <@FIQ> it's the only time emacs has been truly uncooperative for me 19:24 ais523: Having an easy-to-reach binding for font-lock-fontify-buffer helps somewhat. 19:24 <@FIQ> syntax hl is one thing, it's annoying but not a dealbreaker, but it also struggled with indentation 19:25 Rapid kill ring activity is one way to confuse font-lock temporarily. 19:25 Also, pasting *huge* quantities of code, will confuse it in a longer-term manner. 19:25 Emacs indentation can be a little hit-or-miss 19:25 jonadab: oh, that explains a lot 19:25 I have seen some really weird failure modes 19:26 like, when some text was in bold purple, and you inserted more text, and the purpleness and boldness gradually moved onto the wrong area of text but at different rates 19:26 If the beginning of the pasted block isn't visible in the buffer, Emacs gets confused. 19:26 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 713 points, T:949, killed by a fox 19:26 <@FIQ> if emacs syntax hl go bad besides the php case above (which very rarely happens), I just "revert" the buffer (i.e. reload it, idk why emacs calls it revert) 19:27 revert because it reverts to the on-disk state, undoing any changes you've made. 19:27 <@FIQ> mhm 19:27 Though my main use case for revert-buffer is when the copy on disk has become updated, since I loaded it. 19:28 So update-buffer would make more sense to me. 19:28 But whatever. 19:28 <@FIQ> for that I just type a random character 19:28 <@FIQ> it will detect the change and prompt 19:28 Oh, right, and then it prompts you, do you want to revert, y/n 19:28 Yeah. 19:28 <@FIQ> so I just type r to that prompt 19:28 <@FIQ> and it reloads 19:29 <@FIQ> usually I just "rr" 19:29 I do what @FIQ does too 19:29 Makes sense. 19:29 Assuming r is bound to something that changes the buffer. Such as self-insert-command. 19:29 Which it would be in a lot of modes. 19:30 it'd be very rare for me to use Emacs in a mode where letters are not self-insert-command 19:30 <@FIQ> in the rare case where I want the file to trump the disk, I press y and immediately save, replying 'yes', then 'y' 19:30 occasionally I open a dired buffer by accident 19:30 <@FIQ> I save right away so I don't get thrown off when saving later 19:30 <@FIQ> by added prompts 19:31 aoei: :c 19:31 Hmm, my most frequent source of buffers with no self-insert-command is probably Gnus. But there are other cases too. 19:31 oh, I probably need to point out that I don't use Emacs for very standard-library-heavy languages like Java, those really benefit from an actual IDE 19:31 but that's only a small fraction of my hobby programming (basically just Jettyplay), most of the Java I've done has been for work 19:31 Wait, is Java more standard-library-heavy than C? 19:32 yes 19:32 Wow, remind me not to get into Java. 19:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4244 points, T:4689, killed by an uninjured leocrotta 19:32 Umbire: meh i wasn't gonna beat bill anyway 19:32 I think you'd hate it :-D 19:32 <@FIQ> I've tried Eclipse. I prefer emacs if I can, but sometimes the project is too complicated to just build in a terminal 19:32 also air without bugle sucks 19:32 Although, I suppose if the standard library used reasonable and sane fucntion names... 19:32 *function 19:32 <{Demo}2> the jetbrains java ide and debugger are real good 19:32 also Eclipse is probably the worst commonly used Java IDE 19:33 <@FIQ> I personally hate dealing with java code in general 19:33 I was trying to get into Android dev (Kotlin) and wanted to use something lighter than Android Studio, but was advised against 19:33 The worst thing about the C library is that everything is named something like ncstrpwent. 19:33 <@FIQ> because I'm a big fan of concise code 19:33 <@FIQ> java isn't exactly big on conciseness 19:33 <{Demo}2> "ncstrpwent" this is a very good fake example 19:33 <{Demo}2> the names are so annoying 19:33 <@FIQ> with its overly long function names 19:33 Air without bugle very much sucks. 19:33 jonadab: well, Java mostly uses method calls rather than function calls (the essential difference is that method calls are overloaded on their first argument, so you take the type of the first argument into account when determining what method is called) 19:34 <{Demo}2> id rather have "BigNameOhYeahThisNameIsLong" than "ncstrpwent" 19:34 so a lot of the functions are called things like "next" or "toString" or whatever 19:34 <@FIQ> @{Demo}2#0000 both examples are terrible 19:34 ais523: Ok, that is _better_. Not ideal maybe, but better than the C library approach. 19:34 and the hard part if you want to do something complicated is working out what sort of thing you need to call it *on* and how to get it 19:34 [hdf-us] [seed] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 10 points, T:105, killed by an uninjured fox 19:34 Ah. 19:35 So it's all about finding the right class. 19:35 <@FIQ> if a concise name doesn't make sense, then I use a longer name, but I prefer conciseness if I can get away with it 19:35 Compared to C, where you have to find the right standard library function in a vast sea of apparently randomly-generated function names. 19:35 at least in C, the list is short enough that you could plausibly read it in a lifetime 19:35 <@FIQ> "mon" instead of monster (NetHack) or Mon instead of pokémon (in my romhack projects) 19:36 <@FIQ> I'm not a big fan of "mtmp" though 19:36 Short names for frequently used things, ok, up to a point. 19:36 <@FIQ> it's rather obtuse 19:36 also there are fewer levels of abstraction 19:36 strmplstiltskn 19:36 spicycebolla: Heh. 19:36 "mtmp" would be worse if it weren't used everywhere; when it's used that commonly you learn what it's for very quickly 19:36 <@FIQ> I tend to replace mtmp by mon when I see it 19:36 Some functions have both mon and mtmp, though. 19:36 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 True, but I prefer mon 19:37 is it temporary monster? 19:37 mdef and magr was a good choice 19:37 spicycebolla: yes 19:37 temp pointer to monster i guess 19:37 <@FIQ> I use mon, magr or mdef 19:37 No. 19:37 although it's more like a temporary tracker for a monster 19:37 <@FIQ> depending on context 19:37 It's a temporary (i.e., function-level) variable that refers to a monster. 19:37 <@FIQ> obj for objects 19:37 But the monster isn't necessarily temporary. 19:37 the monster has been there for ages and still will be, but this is the monster you're caring about specifically in this bit of the code 19:37 <@FIQ> I do use otmp as secondary obj, where it is legitimately temporary 19:37 i should slep 19:37 Same with otmp for objects, ttmp for traps. 19:37 <@FIQ> in stuff like one-off for loops etc 19:38 e.g. if a monster falls into a trap, I would expect the code for handling that to call the monster mtmp while it was falling in 19:38 but sometimes the code uses mon instead, which as @FIQ says, is probably a better name 19:39 inb4 someone renames mtmp to monstr. 19:39 monstr is a global variable, though, I think 19:39 or maybe a struct field? 19:39 <@FIQ> that means something else entirely 19:39 ais523: An array, IIRC. 19:39 THough really it should be a struct field, yes. 19:39 <@FIQ> it's the monster difficulty array iirc 19:39 well, an array stored *in* a global variable 19:39 I changed that in Fourk. 19:40 <@FIQ> and no I don't know why the monster difficulty array is called "monstr" 19:40 monster strength 19:40 "monster strength" 19:40 <@FIQ> ooh 19:40 which is really misleading, because "str" is nearly always "string" in a C context 19:40 <@FIQ> I thought it was MONSTeR 19:40 Which is still a terrible name, because monsters also have a strength stat. 19:40 <@FIQ> which really confused me 19:40 Which is different. 19:40 But yeah. 19:40 <@FIQ> because, yeah, it deals with monsters 19:41 Yes, that's a natural assumption. 19:41 <@FIQ> but it isn't exactly specific 19:41 <@FIQ> monster strength makes more sense but it's still a bad name 19:41 It is. 19:41 mondiff would be better. 19:42 Although then people would think diff as in diff/patch. 19:42 or "difference" 19:42 <@FIQ> speaking of ambiguity, there's an odd disconnect between various pokémon-related projects on what "spd" means 19:42 That's what the diff in diff/patch means, difference(s). 19:42 "mondlvl" might work best 19:42 <@FIQ> it can mean 2 different stats 19:42 ais523: Monster dungeon level? 19:42 FIQ: unambiguous is SpD versus Spe 19:43 jonadab: yes, or monster difficulty level 19:43 <@FIQ> and it's never clear what unless you know from prior experience with the givven project 19:43 but it mostly determines the dungeon level at which the monster starts generating, so a misinterpretation there won't be bad 19:43 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 I personally prefer spe and sdf 19:43 <@FIQ> because it's unambiguous 19:43 ugh :-P 19:43 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7374 19:43 I'm mostly familiar with Smogon terminology, HP Atk Def SpA SpD Spe 19:44 <@FIQ> the disassemblies use "spd" to mean speed and "sdf" to mean sp.def, and every other project I know uses "spe" and "spd" 19:44 the capitalisation makes it clear even if the letters don't 19:44 <@FIQ> which has thrown me off more than once 19:44 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 not in code that uses lowercase :P 19:44 FIQ: there is nothing inherently all-lowercase about asm 19:44 a few old assemblers are ASCII-case-insensitive, but even then I think they *accept* uppercase variable names 19:45 <@FIQ> (such as Showdown, which uses the spe and spd) 19:45 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 yeah I know 19:45 <@FIQ> but I can't really fix other people's code :P 19:45 the nice thing about asm is that there isn't much need to use case to distinguish one type of identifier from another, either 19:46 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 11793 points, T:7905, killed by a leocrotta 19:46 because you don't really name types in asm, and enums aren't a type of their own but just a set of constants 19:46 so all you really need is lowercase for addresses/variables/functions, and *possibly* allcaps for constants 19:46 <@FIQ> The disassemblies use CamelCase for labels and FOO_BAR for constants 19:47 I guess there are probably situations where you'd want to name the various indexes of the various stats 19:47 <@FIQ> and "goodmacro" in all lowercase for macros 19:47 oh, to avoid clashes between label names and globals? 19:47 <@FIQ> mhm 19:47 I actually like gas's solution to that, where temporary label names start with digits 19:47 and you can repeat them a lot 19:48 I think in idiomatic gas code, almost all your temporary labels are called 1 19:48 <@FIQ> oh but with labels here I meant address labels in general -- wram, routines, wetc 19:48 ah, I see 19:49 so those are camelcase but macros are in lowercase? what a weird way round to do it 19:49 <@FIQ> the disassembly uses wFoo for a wram address, Foo for a ROM address, sFoo for SRAM, vFoo for VRAM 19:49 oh, lower hungarian camelcase, that makes a little more sense 19:49 this isn't even that horrible of a context to use hungarian notation in 19:49 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 well macros are typically used as pseudo-instructions, such as "farcall" to call a function in a different rom bank 19:50 out of curiosity, how are rom banks stored on the stack? 19:53 <@FIQ> not completely sure what you're asking. If I farcall a function, it retrieves the current rom bank and then pushes it to the stack and then pushes ReturnFarcall, and then calls the requested function in the other bank. When done, the function returns to ReturnFarcall which retrieves the rom bank and switches back 19:53 that's what I was asking 19:53 also, wow, that's less efficient than I was expecting 19:53 <@FIQ> (ReturnFarcall is in the home bank which is always active) 19:54 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 If efficiency is needed, there are various home bank "aliases" that just switches directly 19:54 right, that's one of the possibilities I had in mind 19:55 <@FIQ> the farcall alias is for the general case, where you don't need to maximize performance 19:55 <@FIQ> since it works with arbitrary functions in arbitrary banks 19:56 one obvious improvement would be to hardcode the current bank number in the calling code, because it clearly knows which bank it's in 19:57 you could probably go quite some way in organising the banks so that most functions were only called from a single bank, too, in which case you wouldn't need to push the bank number because you'd already know 19:58 <@FIQ> this is how it works in the project I contribute to: https://raw.githubusercontent.com/Rangi42/polishedcrystal/master/home/farcall.asm @ais523#0000 oh, for most things, regular calls are used. farcall is only used when calling from other banks, generally 19:59 hmm, I probably shouldn't be thinking about how to optimise a >20-year-old game that I have no control over the code of anyway 19:59 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had a bone-carved staff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:719 19:59 and yes, calls within a bank will be the usual case 19:59 I've worked on a processor with banked RAM before 19:59 <@FIQ> Mhm 19:59 haven't needed to work on one with banked ROM, but the principles are fairly straightforward 20:00 <@FIQ> the RstFarCall in there is what is called by "farcall Foo" 20:00 even so, my mind's still swarming with questions like "does the mapper allow a bank switch in a single instruction which touches no registers" (I imagine most do) 20:00 <@FIQ> it does here, yes 20:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:43441 20:01 I think the usual bank switch is something like writing anything to ROM at a specific address 20:01 but, as mappers are custom hardware that isn't part of the console, there's no particular reason forcing them to all work the same way as each other 20:01 <@FIQ> although Pokémon uses 5 cycles to do it to ensure it always knows for sure what bank is the current (since I don't think you can check that with the MBC) 20:02 how fast is a NOP on z80? I know it's 2 cycles on 6502 20:02 or, hmm, now I'm second-guessing myself 20:02 <@FIQ> 1 on gbz80, idk what it is on z80 (they use the same assembly syntax but the processor itself is very different) 20:03 incidentally, on modern x86-64, a NOP typically takes ¼ of a cycle on Intel processors, slightly faster on AMD 20:03 <@FIQ> technically 4, but all instructions use a cycle count that is a multiple of 4 20:04 although because the processor has multiple pipeline stages that can run at different speeds, a NOP sometimes takes no time at all, if the instruction decoding step (the one that handles NOP) is less bottlenecked than some other stage 20:04 (because it can run the NOP while waiting for the other stage to catch up) 20:05 <@FIQ> heh 20:05 clock speeds haven't gotten meaningfully faster in ages, so a lot of modern processor design is about trying to figure out a way to do more things in one cycle 20:06 memory access is probably the #1 most common bottleneck, but instruction decode is #2 20:06 <@FIQ> ais523: speaking of gbz80 code, GameFreak isn't really all that good at optimizing code themselves, and at times they write outright bizarre code 20:07 this doesn't surprise me; the quality of, say, C or C++ code in modern game development is often terrible, so maybe asm isn't/wouldn't be any different 20:07 <@FIQ> for example, the other day someone found a code snippet that added a 8bit register to a 16bit one by decrementing the 8bit one and incrementing the 16bit in a loop until the 8bit one became zero 20:07 <@FIQ> instead of using "add" 20:07 SM64 was written in a C like language, and famously compiled at -O0 for the first few versions; it's unclear whether this was because they forgot to turn the switch on or because they were concerned that the compiler might not optimise properly 20:08 <@FIQ> that is at least sort of justifiable though 20:08 yes, justifiable, but it still leads to silly asm 20:09 does Z80 have a 16-bit add? even if not, add+adc is a fairly simple way to do the wide add that pretty much every processor can do 20:10 (one thing that I discovered recently, upsettingly, is that x86-64 does not have a way in hardware to do a *vectorized* add of more than 64 bits, not even with an adc-like instruction, so you need to spend a lot of instructions handling the carry from one 64-bit chunk to the next manually) 20:10 even then, though, the carry flag still works for non-vectorized addition 20:10 <@FIQ> gbz80 has 16bit add for hl only (not bc or de), but nothing for adding a 8bit one to a 16bit. However, in this case they could have done "add c: ld c, a: jr nc, .no_overflow: inc b" (which basically adds a to bc) 20:11 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:11 ooh, no direct adc 20:12 but synthesizing one out of a jnc and an increment makes sense 20:12 <@FIQ> adc does exist, but it wouldn't serve a purpose here I think? unless I misunderstood you 20:12 you can adc 0 to b 20:13 unless that isn't a possible addressing mode 20:13 <@FIQ> also, what they actually did here was ".loop; inc bc; dec a; jr nz, .loop" 20:13 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 oh but you can only do add/sub with a 20:14 <@FIQ> (and adc/sbc) 20:14 ah, OK, I thought there might be a restriction like that 20:14 (thus my disclaimer) 20:14 <@FIQ> right 20:14 so yes, at that point the jump is going to be faster 20:14 <@FIQ> yeah 20:14 it takes some getting used to old processors, where jumps are not really any slower than anything else 20:14 <@FIQ> yeah 20:15 on modern processors, the pipelines are so long that the processor has to guess which way the jump is going to go before it knows for certain 20:15 and if it guesses wrong, it has to flush a substantial portion of the pipeline and rewind 20:16 that's 10-15 clock cycles or so, when most instructions are running in less than a clock cycle, so you try to avoid jumps as much as possible unless you're fairly sure they're 100% (or at least 99%) predictable 20:16 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:16 <@FIQ> ahh 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:33375 20:17 <@FIQ> there is a bit of trickery you can do with the above to avoid the jump but it's far more obtuse 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33380 20:17 that said, this is one of the areas where modern compilers fall down: often the jump actually *is* 100% predictable but the compiler doesn't realise, so it makes slower code to compensate 20:18 <@FIQ> https://github.com/pret/pokecrystal/wiki/Optimizing-assembly-code#add-a-to-a-16-bit-register 20:19 <@FIQ> @ais523#0000 mhm 20:20 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Ran Cen Mal Neu), 1052 points, T:1544, killed by a wand, while moving through the air 20:20 @FIQ: I think that example clobbers a, right? 20:20 it's pretty a clever way to move temporaries around between registers, though 20:21 <@FIQ> yeah, but so does the simpler one I used 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 256 points, T:1945, killed by an uninjured gnome lord 20:21 <@FIQ> (it would end with a being a+c) 20:21 interestingly, I learned that the 8080 instruction set (and thus indirectly our modern x86-64 instruction set) was inspired by z80 compatibility, not at the machine code level, but at the asm level 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:43880 20:22 every z80 instruction has an equivalent instruction in x86; the instructions and registers have different names but you can set up a 1-to-1 correspondence 20:22 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:2461 20:22 so you can assemble your z80 programs for x86 and then run them directly 20:23 <@FIQ> the gb instruction set is instruction-compatible (but not sure if machine code-compatible) with 8080 but has several differences to z80 20:23 this has lead to interesting performance issues even on modern processors, beacuse we still have instrucions for, e.g., copying the equivalent of a to the equivalent of h 20:24 but h is now buried in the middle of a large register that's normally used for other things, so you get either a false dependency or a partial register stall if you try 20:24 a few years ago Intel had to remotely disable a major feature of their processors because it turned out to be buggy on this sort of mid-register write 20:25 <@FIQ> Heh 20:25 (buggy in hardware, and not fixable apart from turning the relevant piece of hardware off and relying on a redundant backup) 20:25 a few days ago, I discovered that the Intel processor in my laptop does *not* have this bug, this came as a surprise to me and to various people in the x86-64 low-level optimisation community 20:26 so that's how recently it got fixed 20:26 (via releasing working hardware) 20:26 so in other words, the details of z80 asm syntax are having somewhat major ramifications even today 20:26 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a rabid rat, on T:3514 20:27 (at least there isn't a huge performance impact from all this; running code out of the LSD only gives a performance gain if you have fewer than 4 instructions in 32 bytes of code, which wouldn't be very common) 20:27 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 17061 points, T:3554, killed by a cursed amulet of life saving 20:27 rip 20:28 huh, that's a new one 20:28 does the amulet kill you only at the time when you'd ordinarily die? or can it trigger at any time? 20:28 when you die 20:28 !lastgame nabru 20:28 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1613868677.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/evilhack/dumplog/1605872855.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 20:28 Pokémon Mystery Dungeon has an item like that, but it's a separate item from the "oLS equivalent (with a similar name) rather than a cursed "oLS 20:28 Your medallion turns to ash! 20:28 It appears your luck has run out... 20:29 (when you die, it revives you and then immediately kills you again) 20:29 quite the evil thing 20:29 that said, in Pokémon Mystery Dungeon, reviver seeds are slotless, making them somewhat overpowered 20:29 although it is a game of overpowered consumables as it is, so having one more doesn't change the balance that much 20:30 the main strategic interest is in working out whether you want to get lifesaved intentionally to save your other consumables… 20:32 Reviser Seed 20:32 And Reviver Seeds are something I carry no less than 8 of at any given time 20:33 If I'm doing late/endgame shit 20:34 I mostly only play Zero Island South 20:34 where you can't take anything in with you other than your species 20:35 so the number of reviver seeds you have is the number of reviver seeds you find (they are, however, quite common there) 20:35 maybe around 5 or so for a full run 20:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4422 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45381 20:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45383 20:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a spear entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4948 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Mal Law), 297 points, T:1078, killed by a wounded giant bat 20:44 !booze 20:44 * Beholder delivers nabru a schooner of grog, fermented by the late Pinobot at 369 Kelvin. 20:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 184 points, T:621, killed by a wand 20:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:46883 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1490 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2031 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1021 points, T:2069, quit 20:56 -!- AndroUser2 has joined #hardfought 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2689 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 204 points, T:792, killed by a gas spore's explosion 20:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3132 21:00 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby silver dragon, on T:9541 21:01 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 21:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 21:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:47231 21:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of padded gloves entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:10031 21:05 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:05 -!- AndroUser2 has joined #hardfought 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "E", on T:4315 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:48086 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:48089 21:11 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 592 points, T:1281, killed by a little dog 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful purple worm, on T:48401 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:48401 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2179 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 602 points, T:1057, killed by a wand 21:12 !lastgame Cropper 21:12 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cropper/nethack/dumplog/1613872853.nh.html 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:48631 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:48640 21:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:47738 21:20 -!- eLtMosen-damnISP has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:25 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:25 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6034 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3251 21:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:48351 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:6395 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (sharks), on T:6673 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3817 21:35 I find it interesting how ais, jonadab and FIQ all showing up at once usually heralds a long discussion that is only tangentially about nethack and more often is about editors, languages, or romhacks, or in this case all three 21:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law), 38680 points, T:16497, killed by a dwarf king 21:37 heh, that discussion went way over my head 21:38 if you're interested we could explain, but I'm guessing you're probably not interested enough for it to be worth going through the whole conversation again 21:39 I'm not really interested 21:39 I have a meta-interest. I'm not interested in those subjects but I'm interested in the phenomenon I described 21:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:48711 21:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:4093 21:40 I guess we just have a lot in common 21:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 2037 points, T:4102, killed by an orcish arrow 21:44 I'll meta your interest. 21:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:34935 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1294 points, T:1299, killed by an uninjured gnome lady, while fainted from lack of food 21:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:8814 22:00 !booze 22:00 * Beholder throws nabru a tumbler of Evan Williams whiskey, excreted by FCCBot at 89 degrees Celsius. 22:05 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:50348 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 59701 points, T:10034, killed by an uninjured displacer beast 22:11 !who 22:11 K2: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh370] Jilvane [dnh] wintergalaxy88 [dnh] telegarn [evil] guest99987 [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 22:11 oof even williams 22:11 evan 22:11 make sjack daniels look good 22:15 !who 22:15 Lurchy: [hdf-us] oh6 [nh370] lurchy [nh370] Jilvane [dnh] wintergalaxy88 [dnh] telegarn [evil] guest99987 [evil] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 22:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Fem Cha), 18811 points, T:4363, killed by an Uruk-hai 22:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:51427 22:22 EvilHack updated (all servers) 22:22 ^ minor bug fixes 22:27 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:27 -!- AndroUser2 has joined #hardfought 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:37244 22:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2922 22:37 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:37 -!- AndroUser2 has joined #hardfought 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:50752 22:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) wished for "greased magic marker", on T:52365 22:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha), 23320 points, T:4190, killed by a panther zombie 22:47 <@the_eternal_paradox> man I got too excited! I found two candles of invocation! 22:48 doh 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:11560 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of taming", on T:50862 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2033 22:56 -!- AndroUser2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] wintergalaxy88 (Wiz Inc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1296 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3028 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:51382 23:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3062 23:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3108 23:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of hiking boots on an altar, on T:3113 23:02 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:51644 23:07 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4289 23:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:51734 23:08 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:1986 23:10 <@malor> @the_eternal_paradox that is a very healthy bones file if you left a bones 🙂 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:51760 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2456 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:51789 23:11 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1035 points, T:1981, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 23:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 1552120 points, T:51792, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/nethack/dumplog/1613516295.nh.html 23:14 GG! 23:14 vacation ascension! 23:14 <@Tone> Congrats! 23:15 gratz 23:16 A Knight who had even worse luck than mine finding a silver saber 23:16 \o/ 23:16 I found 2 WoWs so I wished up a ton of junk. Even a magic whistle 23:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6792 23:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1690 points, T:3065, killed by an acidic glob 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:13035 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] lurchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:13036 23:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 15894 points, T:7938, killed by an uninjured lizard, while frozen by a monster's gaze 23:40 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3137 23:43 hmmm...20K worth of gold coins.....junk 23:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:34124 23:49 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 23:51 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 23:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] HastyGlord (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7804 points, T:4658, killed by an uninjured panther, while fainted from lack of food 23:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:54 [hdf-us] [evil] guest99987 (Inf Ith Mal Una), 121 points, T:404, killed by a kobold