00:06 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] repeat (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 286 points, T:560, killed by an uninjured gnome
00:08 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] repeat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:28, killed by a nearly deceased jackal
00:08 <Umbire> So question
00:08 <Umbire> When did NetHack first make its source code available
00:10 <Umbire> https://www.nethack.org/common/index.html this page has evidently been around for a hot minute but can't place the date exactly
00:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] repeat (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 90 points, T:184, killed by an uninjured kobold zombie
00:18 <Umbire> Nvm, did some digging
00:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2808
00:30 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Wiz Dro Mal Law), 215715 points, T:20077, killed by an invisible phantom fungus
00:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 972 points, T:3227, killed by a wounded gnome mummy
00:35 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed magic harp", on T:45247
00:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu), 1225 points, T:2070, killed by a dwarf lord
00:48 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5352 points, T:3439, killed by a panther
00:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] repeat (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 594 points, T:816, killed by an uninjured giant ant
00:51 <Umbire> Go team a!
00:53 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] swelljoo (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5969
00:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1925
00:56 <Umbire> Andrio, arahael: Say does Medusa speak at all in the base game?
00:57 <Andrio> No
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00:57 <arahael> Can't remember in vanilla, but as she doesn't in evilhack, I don't think she does in vanilla either.  She's been seriously boosted in evil.
00:58 <arahael> Her hair bites you with stoning attacks.
00:58 <Umbire> Makes sense
00:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2317
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01:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] swelljoo (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9835
01:54 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 454 points, T:1767, killed by a sewer rat
01:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5837
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01:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] swelljoo (Bar Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:10930
02:05 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4001
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02:07 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3922 points, T:4116, killed by a gnome lord, while praying
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02:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1146 points, T:1950, zombified by an orc zombie
02:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Mal Neu), 23 points, T:45, killed by a boulder
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02:24 <stenno2> i made a spot sell order for 15k doge at 0.045 euro
02:25 <stenno2> lets see if that target can be matched
02:27 <stenno2> also i have to check out the api docs for binance
02:28 <stenno2> come to think of it i probably do _not_ want to write a program which does trading for me lol
02:28 <stenno2> hilarious things might hppen
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02:59 <arahael> stenno2: Such as skynet.
03:00 <arahael> I think it's most likely to be a financial AI that becomes skynet, not a chess game AI.
03:02 <stenno2> maybe already is
03:02 <stenno2> i assume people are willing to put money into something that generates money
03:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4833
03:06 <Umbire> I'm out
03:06 <Umbire> Night folks
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03:10 <aoei> morning
03:13 <bhaak> infinigon: how does commit f4bb8df88 fix anything? I only see a renaming of constants. what am I missing?
03:13 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class C), on T:3491
03:14 <bhaak> infinigon: oh wait. the constants AM_* and A_* have different values
03:15 <bhaak> stupid 'everything is an int' C
03:17 <Adeon> stenno2: I made a horse race gambling bot around in december
03:17 <Adeon> I started with 500 EUR in the gambling account
03:17 <Adeon> at best it was at 1900 EUR
03:18 <Adeon> but then it lost money FAST and it went below 400 EUR
03:18 <stenno2> wait didn't you have a horse gambling bot a few years ago too?
03:18 <Adeon> it was based on machine learning on data I am purchasing from a vendor
03:18 <Adeon> yeah
03:18 <Adeon> but none of the bots I made worked long term
03:18 <Adeon> at this point I've done this long enough that I don't ever expect to make money of any of this
03:19 <Adeon> but it's still fun to try think and solve challenges related to this
03:19 <stenno2> well i guess thats the right attitude to have anyway
03:19 <stenno2> oh yeah thats true!
03:19 <Adeon> I know I was already in horse race gambling before I got hired by a US company
03:19 <Adeon> which means I must have been in horse race stuff in 2014
03:19 <Adeon> so it has been a while
03:20 <Adeon> I don't remember exactly what I was doing at the time
03:20 <stenno2> yeah i think that ws when we still hung out in #ade
03:20 <stenno2> that must've been after you were in korea
03:20 <Adeon> korea was 2014-2015
03:20 <Adeon> or hmm
03:20 <Adeon> maybe actually it was 2013-2014
03:20 <Adeon> my memory is so terrible
03:21 <Adeon> SOMEWHERE there
03:21 <stenno2> and it was written in haskell iirc
03:21 <Adeon> the latest bot is rust and python
03:22 <stenno2> nice
03:22 <stenno2> i really want to check out rust (tm)
03:22 <stenno2> keep saying that for a year or so
03:22 <Adeon> rust has extreme learning curve
03:22 <Adeon> in the company I work for rust is getting some traction
03:23 <Adeon> but I'm a bit hesitant because of the learning curve to introduce it in new project
03:23 <Adeon> s
03:23 <Adeon> there are engineers who I think would never learn it
03:23 <arahael> Adeon: The rustlings course is pretty good.
03:23 <arahael> Adeon: Have you tried it?
03:23 <Adeon> the second choice is golang which I don't like much a language but at least it's not super hard to learn
03:23 <Adeon> hmm not heard of it arahael
03:24 <arahael> https://github.com/rust-lang/rustlings
03:24 <Adeon> I have a lot of experience in rust by now I just don't think my team mates would have the patience
03:24 <stenno2> i want FP things in the language
03:24 <Adeon> oh yeah another kind of exciting thing
03:24 <Adeon> I am part of W3C now
03:24 <Adeon> and participate in W3C meetings to decide on web standard
03:24 <stenno2> oh wow thats cool
03:24 <Adeon> s
03:24 <arahael> Adeon: Go does have advantages, too, yeah, though the language itself is meh.
03:25 <Adeon> unfortunately the standards I work on have to do with tracking people online
03:25 <stenno2> which standards are you working on?
03:25 <stenno2> oh
03:25 <stenno2> lol
03:25 <stenno2> so not ES or html :/
03:25 <Adeon> chrome broser is deprecating third party cookie
03:25 <stenno2> actully html is basically whatwg anyway
03:25 <Adeon> this makes it hard for advertising companies to track if some purchase event was influenced by adveritising
03:25 <Adeon> I happen to work for internet advertising company
03:25 <Adeon> so this is now my problem
03:26 <arahael> I'm conflicted about internet advertising.
03:26 <stenno2> wait what do you mean with third party cookies
03:26 <stenno2> aren't cookies third party in general
03:26 <Adeon> let's say you load ilikeshoesverymuch.com
03:26 <aoei> what ups
03:26 <arahael> I"m OK with it as long as it's when I _want_ advertising, but I hate it otherwise.  So I don't mind it when it's in my curated twitter acount, lets say.
03:26 <stenno2> yes
03:26 <aoei> stenno2: how's your doge holding
03:26 <Adeon> and ilikeshoesverymuch.com has a contract with my company
03:27 <Adeon> and they put my company's javascript on my page
03:27 <stenno2> right
03:27 <Adeon> and then my company's javascript code might set d.adroll.com cookie on ilikeshoesverymuch.com
03:27 * arahael always run adblockers.
03:27 <stenno2> i see
03:27 <Adeon> that is called a third party cookie
03:27 <Adeon> because adroll.com is not ilikeshoesverymuch.com
03:28 <Adeon> on other websites I can see the same cookie
03:28 <Adeon> so I can tell which sites you've been visiting
03:28 <stenno2> so uh, like google analytics
03:28 <stenno2> i bet that one is not blocked
03:28 <Adeon> it's pretty carp
03:28 <Adeon> crap
03:28 <arahael> Adeon: Also known as "tracking cookies", in your particular context.
03:28 <Adeon> yeah
03:28 <Adeon> chrome is in the right to ban this thing
03:28 <arahael> Safari, too.
03:28 <arahael> iOS, too. :)
03:28 <Adeon> but it messes up my company who relies too much on it
03:28 <Adeon> I personally don't care
03:29 <Adeon> but professionally I have to care
03:29 <stenno2> and do you have an idea for a solution?
03:29 <Adeon> so those W3C meetings for web standards have to do with alternative ways to keep advertising ecosystem alive without having to track people
03:29 <Adeon> so I made a proposal
03:29 <arahael> Adeon: Professionally, you need to find a way to make users *want* your advertising.  I feel that's forgotten by a lot of companies (as that's a Hard Problem)
03:29 <Adeon> all the things that we do server-side right now by having huge cache of your private dat
03:30 <Adeon> we'll move that to browser instead
03:30 <stenno2> arahael: well to figure out what people want you have to create profiles
03:30 <Adeon> browser remembers what sites you visited and what ads you saw
03:30 <arahael> stenno2: Not neccessarily.
03:30 <Adeon> we'll compute metrics inside the browser with that, with javascript we ship to browser
03:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class ;), on T:20010
03:30 <stenno2> Adeon: oho not bad
03:30 <Adeon> and send it to us in a way that cannot violate privacy
03:30 <Adeon> there is some cryptography involved to guarantee this
03:30 <Adeon> well ugh it's not perfect
03:31 <arahael> Adeon: That sounds reasonable, actually, on the surface.
03:31 <Adeon> I went to W3C meetings with this proposal but I was a bit shut down by chrome
03:31 <Adeon> but they did acknnowledge my proposal in the latest proposal they yhad
03:31 <stenno2> it sounds rather similar to cookies :D
03:31 <stenno2> nice
03:31 <arahael> The problem I have with adverts is that they're so obnoxious.
03:32 <stenno2> well good luck then
03:32 <arahael> I liked old-fashioned google adverts.
03:32 <Adeon> if I could decide advertising would just die entirely
03:32 <Adeon> we would just have ads that are not targeted
03:32 <Adeon> it's so scummy
03:32 <stenno2> i know a few people here on freenode who are in w3c
03:32 <Adeon> I made a tool for debugging purposes for my company 2 years back
03:32 <arahael> Yeah, but the trouble is that advertisements - if they were done well, would actually be _useful_.
03:32 <Adeon> you could put in a cookie ID and it would print the browser history of that cookie
03:32 <arahael> But unfortunately they're often simply abnoxious.
03:32 <Adeon> it was too creepy so I took it down
03:33 <arahael> Yeah, that's a problem.
03:33 <Adeon> you could see a rather complete picture of someone's browser habits and whatever they had in the URL bar in each website they visited if they ever saw any ads or were on any site that was our customer
03:33 <Adeon> which is a very large portion of the internet
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03:34 <Adeon> I was debugging an issue and saw some browser habits of somebody looking for gravestones
03:34 <stenno2> wait how is that possible 
03:34 <Adeon> the gravestone seaching site had the names on the URL in the bar
03:34 <Adeon> so I could see it
03:34 <Adeon> and that's when I decided this is bullshit
03:34 <stenno2> oh because the cookie gets written by the embedded js
03:34 <Adeon> so I removed the tool
03:35 <stenno2> well advertisement is all about those things right
03:35 <arahael> Adeon: Gravestone searching!
03:35 <stenno2> know as much as possible from someone so you can target your advertisement
03:35 <Adeon> you want to know the browser habits of some person to figure out which advertisements to show yeah
03:35 <arahael> Adeon: That was findagrave or something? :D
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03:36 <Adeon> I don't remember which one but sounds familiar
03:36 <Adeon> if they put the name in the URL itself then I would see itr
03:36 <arahael> Adeon: Most likely an amateur geneologist. :)
03:36 <arahael> It's disturbing how much info you can find online these days.  I've had to keep my family tree private - too scary otherwise.
03:36 <Adeon> I should not know what amateur geneologist is doing
03:37 <arahael> Indeed.
03:37 <arahael> But...  A lot of those people now upload their freaking DNA online too.
03:38 <arahael> Adeon: I wonder what would happen if someone using your tool found the profile of a nethacker. ;)
03:38 <arahael> "Is it ok to eat humans?" "What's the penalty of canabalism?" "Can I kill a priest?"
03:38 <stenno2> i see you embed the banner with cors or so and then the embedded JS may write a cookie for the domain of the embedded js
03:39 <Adeon> right now chrome allows you to write and read a cookie for 3rd party website, i.e. not the website you actually have in your top bar URL
03:39 <Adeon> all other mainstream browsers have blocked this by now
03:41 <stenno2> so if i'd embed a javascript from mycoolshoes.com, that js wouldn't be allowed to write a cookie with mycoolshoes.com domain? 
03:41 <Adeon> that would be allowed
03:41 <Adeon> first party cookie
03:41 <Adeon> same site you are visiting
03:42 <stenno2> i mean i mean on thatothercoolshoesite.com
03:42 <Adeon> you embed javascript to mycoolshoes.com that wants to write cookie to totally different domain like adtech.com that wouldn't be allowed (except chrome right now)
03:42 <stenno2> and i am embedding like <script src=mycoolshoes cors-stuff>
03:42 <Adeon> don't use chrome
03:42 <Adeon> if you care about privacy
03:43 <stenno2> but the specs say
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03:43 <stenno2> oh hm
03:43 <stenno2> The domain name of the server that served the document, or null if the server cannot be identified by a domain name.
03:43 <stenno2> MDN says:
03:43 <stenno2> Note: The domain must match the domain of the JavaScript origin. Setting cookies to foreign domains will be silently ignored.
03:44 <Adeon> in my terminology that means: first party cookies allowed. third party cookies? fuck off
03:44 <Adeon> it's a sensible policuy
03:44 <stenno2> well yeah w3c specs wording
03:44 <Adeon> policy
03:44 <stenno2> the MDN wording implies allowing cookies from different domains
03:45 <arahael> I use google chrome at work, and safari at home except for disneyplus, where I use chrome.
03:45 <arahael> I think it's a good combination.
03:45 <stenno2> as long as the JS is seved from the other domain
03:45 <Adeon> chrome is the least private browser right now
03:45 <arahael> Makes sense.  I mean, it's produced by an *advertising company*.
03:46 <aoei> evening arahael 
03:46 <aoei> how are u
03:46 <Adeon> apple in w3c meetings is very privacy focused
03:46 <Adeon> I would trust them
03:46 <Adeon> mozilla too
03:46 <Adeon> google I don't trust at all
03:46 <arahael> aoei: Better, though upped my drugs slightly today.  Will probably hit 8 paracetamol today, plus 3 or 4 ibuprofen.
03:46 <aoei> i don't trust google either
03:47 <arahael> Adeon: Yeah.  Same with the phones, too, I expect.
03:47 <aoei> i didn't trust apple much either but dtype and Adeon like them
03:47 <aoei> and I trust dtype and Adeon
03:47 <Adeon> there are other reasons to hate apple but browser privacy is not one of them
03:47 <arahael> Indeed.
03:47 <arahael> My biggest irritation with Apple is their stance on #righttorepair.
03:47 <aoei> Adeon: I hate the proprietary charging cables and shit lol
03:47 <arahael> But that's about it, really.
03:47 <aoei> everyone else just uses usbc like normal people
03:47 <aoei> щ（ﾟДﾟщ）
03:48 <amateurhour> facebook preparing lawsuit against apple over app store privacy rules or something
03:48 <arahael> aoei: You can get non-apple charging cables.  And Apple is probably going to switch soonish.  They already have for ipads.
03:48 <aoei> arahael: oh nice!
03:48 <arahael> aoei: The thing is though, many of us using iphones *like* the current iphone cable.
03:49 <aoei> yea i just don't like when a company locks you into accessories that are also their products
03:49 <aoei> if that's changing that's great
03:53 <aoei> someone comes round your house and forgets their charger
03:53 <aoei> if they got an iphone rip
03:53 <aoei> if they have any other phone my charger works
03:53 <aoei> that's also mildly irritating lol
03:53 <Adeon> my dog sometimes almost pulls my laptop off the table because of all the cables
03:53 <Adeon> he's too dumb to notice the cables when he just walks past
03:54 <aoei> lol
03:54 <aoei> apples ones are good for that situation i'll grant
03:54 <aoei> cuz they pop out easily and are magnetised
03:54 <aoei> you're not gonna pull a whole laptop off the desk
03:55 <arahael> Not anymore.
03:55 <Adeon> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/K0eYySNm/E683AC24-4654-4781-BE51-ADE2760E13D9.JPG
03:55 <arahael> Apple's are currently USB-C.
03:55 <Adeon> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/7eB14GLy/IMG_5957.PNG
03:55 <arahael> Adeon: That's not a dog, that's a black bear.
03:56 <Adeon> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/bf2oKp0r/IMG_5654.JPG
03:56 <arahael> Adeon: I'm still seeing "bear".
03:57 <Adeon> no judging of dog
03:58 <arahael> What dog? ;)
03:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "Magic Marker", on T:21138
04:01 <stenno2> woof woof
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04:02 <aoei> adeon has the cutest dog
04:02 <aoei> hands down
04:02 <aoei> no dog is cuter
04:02 <amateurhour> would be cuter if wearing a lil hat
04:02 <amateurhour> also safer from zombie bites
04:02 <aoei> lol
04:03 <aoei> !8ball should i rust today?
04:03 <Beholder> aoei: Yes definitely
04:03 <aoei> Beholder is wise
04:03 <amateurhour> https://store.steampowered.com/agecheck/app/252490/
04:03 <arahael> But bear cubs are cute also!
04:04 <amateurhour> https://store.steampowered.com/app/252490/Rust/ rather
04:04 <stenno2> Adeon: is your proposal online?
04:04 <Adeon> https://github.com/AdRoll/privacy/blob/main/SPURFOWL.md
04:04 <stenno2> also why are you still awake
04:04 <Adeon> because I don't have work tomorrow
04:05 <stenno2> fair
04:06 <Adeon> aoei: the breed is finnish lapphund
04:06 <amateurhour> why oh why is it SPURFOWL and not SUPRFOWL
04:06 <arahael> Ah, nice.
04:07 <amateurhour> the former sounds like you're prodding a chicken and the latter sounds like the rooster version of superman
04:09 <Adeon> all the cookie-related proposals have some bird-related name
04:09 <Adeon> TURTLEDOVE
04:09 <Adeon> FLEDGE
04:09 <Adeon> SPURFOWL
04:09 <Adeon> SPARROW
04:09 <Adeon> PELICAN
04:09 <Adeon> PARRROT
04:09 <Adeon> FLOC
04:10 <Adeon> COWBIRD
04:10 <Adeon> MURRE
04:10 <stenno2> GREATTIT
04:10 <amateurhour> well TIL spurfowl is an actual bird name
04:10 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 5228 points, T:5808, killed by an owlbear, while praying
04:10 <stenno2> BLUEFOOTEDBOOBY
04:11 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] repeat (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 98 points, T:895, killed by an uninjured jackal
04:11 <stenno2> i didn't know there were 'cowbirds'
04:12 * arahael likes booby.
04:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:21186
04:18 <LarienTelrunya> you meanies! now I have to make all of them into slex monsters :P
04:20 <amateurhour> wow are u srsly plagiarising Real Life for slex monsters?
04:20 <amateurhour> smh my head
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04:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:21252
04:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:21254
04:26 <stenno2> are there even any birds in vanilla
04:26 <stenno2> ravens i guess
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04:26 <stenno2> and there are chicken eggs but no chickens
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04:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:21684
04:34 <amateurhour> there's a lot of half-birds as owlbears
04:36 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 6144 points, T:1366, killed by an orc-captain
04:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "amulet of life saving", on T:21745
04:48 <arahael> stenno2: Dragons are birds, aren't they? ;)
04:50 <bhaak> nethack dragons have feathers?
04:55 <arahael> They're either a lizard, or a dinosaur, and the latter are probably basically birds.
04:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:22372
04:56 <bhaak> europeans dragons probably derived from snakes
04:57 <stenno2> birds are dinosaurs
04:58 <bhaak> yeah but where do fit dragons in there
04:59 <stenno2> dragons come from snakes
04:59 <stenno2> ah yeah you said it
04:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:21916
04:59 <stenno2> sec
04:59 <stenno2> cool podcast https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HBbfOZBLkqI
05:00 <stenno2> regarding the origin of dragons
05:08 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [evil] PeachMuffin (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 910 points, T:2129, killed by colliding with the ceiling
05:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] repeat (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 218 points, T:1196, killed by a wounded coyote
05:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:22039
05:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:22043
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05:25 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:17378
05:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:25224
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05:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "Blessed Fixed +2 Cloak of protection", on T:25416
05:33 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] repeat (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 482 points, T:731, killed by a wounded giant spider
05:38 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Exhumer, on T:18362
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05:50 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:18452
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05:55 <arahael> stenno3: Cool :)
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06:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed mithril amulet of flying", on T:36629
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06:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:27046
06:11 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide T-shirt of decay", on T:36749
06:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +2 Dragonbane", on T:36762
06:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 Blessed potion of Gain level", on T:27553
06:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Curate, on T:27554
06:17 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] swelljoo (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 69324 points, T:15305, petrified by a cockatrice corpse
06:24 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] repeat (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 582 points, T:2358, killed by an orcish dagger
06:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:11952
07:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Canoness, on T:30165
07:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Nalzok, on T:30607
07:15 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:23015
07:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30624
07:15 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:23015
07:17 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of levitation", on T:23020
07:18 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:23020
07:28 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:23241
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07:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:31890
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07:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:33060
07:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:33098
07:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) performed his first genocide (alhoons), on T:28855
08:02 <aosdict> arahael: I think we've really dropped the ball on DNA related privacy issues. I would never want any of my DNA out there, but one of my parents does genealogy and decided to put theirs up there without consulting me, so now at least half my DNA is no longer private
08:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:34304
08:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 1180 points, T:2111, killed by a Mordor orc
08:08 <FIQ> I'd argue that what your family does with their DNA ought to not really be your business, even if I understand your frustration
08:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34670
08:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:34671
08:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] fakepass (Wiz Inc Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7143
08:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 mitre of holiness", on T:30744
08:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) killed the invisible Arch Priest, on T:30749
08:18 <arahael> i'm with fiq on that, i have to say.  but it is a complex topic.  i'm off to bed now though.
08:18 <Umbire> Be well!
08:18 <arahael> thanks!
08:20 <wvc> why it is possible to detect jellyfish with telepathy?
08:20 <Umbire> Because they're not mindless
08:20 <aosdict> FIQ: I don't think it's fair that if my other parent is convinced to also upload their DNA for genealogy purposes, then my whole genome is out there for shady organizations to mine for their own ends
08:21 <arahael> aosdict: its much more complex than that, and there is still your link which you havent provided i expect.
08:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:35410
08:21 <aosdict> for instance, "oh, aosdict has a 75% genetic predisposition towards alzheimer's. let's make sure that we start hiking his health insurance premiums after he's a senior"
08:23 <arahael> aosdict: that is something the laws should indeed protect, yeah, but you cant do that with the parents dna i think?
08:23 <aosdict> and if you postulate an unethical government with access to this data then it can go so much further
08:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed helm of brilliance", on T:48654
08:23 <arahael> anyway. complex topic and yeah some concerns are valid there - eg, law enforcement has used the data.
08:23 <arahael> g'night.
08:26 <Umbire> o/
08:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] fakepass (Wiz Inc Fem Neu), 39671 points, T:9145, killed by an air elemental
08:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 dragonhide speed boots", on T:31115
08:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:21229
08:32 <wvc> but jellyfishes even have no heads
08:33 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) killed the invisible Master Kaen, on T:31997
08:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32021
08:34 <Umbire> Having a head =/= lacking a mind
08:34 <Umbire> Lacking a head*
08:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:49444
08:36 <aosdict> yeah but they really ought to be mindless
08:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Pri Hlf Mal Cha), 797 points, T:2273, killed by a giant ant
08:40 <Umbire> Go team a!
08:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 208377 points, T:14854, killed by a chiropteran, while fainted from lack of food
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09:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2430
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09:01 <Umbire> luxidream: Yo!
09:01 <luxidream> good morning
09:04 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:24922
09:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 36300 points, T:4185, killed by a black unicorn
09:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:3508
09:10 <Umbire> How ya feelin'
09:14 <luxidream> About what?
09:15 <luxidream> I'm ok
09:16 <Umbire> Just in heneral lol
09:16 <Umbire> general*
09:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4052
09:20 <luxidream> I'm sleepy because I woke up at 5 am somehow
09:20 <luxidream> maybe I will take a nap later
09:20 <amateurhour> or this could be a good opportunity to get a normal sleep pattern maybe?
09:20 <amateurhour> could force yourself to stay up till like 10pm or so
09:21 <luxidream> I've been sleeping more normally actually
09:22 <amateurhour> oh nice, gratz
09:22 <luxidream> I have a dumb online class at 7:45 am so that has forced me into more normalcy
09:22 <luxidream> instead of being up with the EU folks
09:22 <amateurhour> just do this: https://i.imgur.com/vE1tHzW.jpg
09:23 <{Demo}> had a lot of caffeine yesterday, some before bed, still managed to get nearly 8 hours of sleep
09:23 <{Demo}> woke up a lot in the night though
09:23 <luxidream> it only lasts for a quarter of the semester
09:23 <luxidream> it's not that bad
09:24 <luxidream> and I have to actually interact with people so that doesn't work
09:25 <stenno4> sleeping normally is important
09:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) had a staff of matter entrusted to him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:33212
09:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 1501 points, T:2918, killed by a lesser nightmare
09:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 24880 points, T:1206, killed by an exploding wand
09:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Pri Hlf Fem Law), 1646 points, T:1358, killed by a small aklys
09:30 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:25979
09:36 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] xor (Cav Bat Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:13045
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09:38 <Pinkbeast> Oh, that's why you're all really quiet
09:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:34054
09:40 * Umbire applies a tooled horn
09:42 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:26278
09:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law), 323750 points, T:34571, killed by a death ray
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09:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:5833
09:57 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] xor (Cav Bat Fem Law), 97900 points, T:14365, killed by Cerberus
09:57 <Umbire> Ow
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10:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:7205
10:19 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Cav Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 grey dragon scale mail", on T:22963
10:21 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Cav Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 Gauntlets of Power", on T:22993
10:22 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:27046
10:22 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:27047
10:23 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Cav Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:23029
10:26 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Cav Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Roamer, on T:23180
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10:32 <aoei> luxidream: I had a weird nap in the middle of the day
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10:33 <aoei> complete with horrifying dreams and wakin up all sweaty and gross D:
10:35 <squolly> @ aoei & stenno : good luck for your runs on sunday! looking forward to the race! :)
10:35 <aoei> yey no pressure :D
10:35 * aoei will rek stenno :V
10:37 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1077
10:37 <squolly> :D 
10:39 <Umbire> aoei <
10:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:39577
10:39 <Umbire> <3
10:39 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:39582
10:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] zor (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 708 points, T:1399, killed by a housecat
10:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 938 points, T:2830, killed by a wounded giant ant, while praying
10:42 <Umbire> Go team a!
10:43 <aoei> thanks Umbire we are the best team
10:43 <aoei> isn't that right amateurhour, aosdict ?
10:43 <aosdict> <3
10:43 <aoei> :D
10:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) had a pair of mud boots entrusted to her by Camaxtli, on T:24461
10:44 <aosdict> wait so has stenno agreed to sunday? got enough training?
10:44 <aoei> he agreed and did some good training last night
10:44 <aoei> unfortunately splat with ammy so idk how his morale is rn
10:44 <Umbire> :c
10:44 <aoei> but i failed to get a run going even when was practicing last night lol
10:45 <aoei> Sunday will be better im sure
10:45 <aoei> still got some time to get some practice in
10:45 <luxidream> I have to pick 20 decent seeds still
10:46 <luxidream> which may take a while
10:46 <luxidream> also resist the temptation to look at what everything is
10:46 <aoei> lol
10:47 <luxidream> I'm hoping for a close race. I think it can be if both of you play carefully
10:47 <aosdict> carefully?! this is speedrunning
10:48 <aosdict> live fast die young
10:48 <luxidream> well it's also a race
10:48 <luxidream> no WR attempt strategies here
10:48 <aoei> yeah wanna play just a lil conservatively, but still fast
10:49 <luxidream> it is possible to win fast and consistently, which is what a race is all about
10:49 <aoei> i wouldn't go so far as crowning
10:49 <luxidream> lol crowning doesn't take that long
10:49 <aoei> kinda unnecessary as valk
10:49 <aoei> but you have to go get luckstone
10:49 <aoei> :v
10:49 <Umbire> For...?
10:49 <luxidream> no you use oof
10:49 <aoei> so you don't need reflection
10:49 <Umbire> ^
10:49 <Umbire> damnit
10:49 <aoei> oof you get later
10:49 <aoei> i guess castle without reflection isn't so bad
10:50 <luxidream> I have maxed luck after getting oof
10:50 <aoei> and you might find it befroe
10:50 <luxidream> so I don't have to untrap chests
10:50 <aoei> idk it's worth considering
10:50 <aoei> and yeah that's nice too
10:50 <luxidream> you're right that crowning is totally unnecessary though
10:51 <aoei> maybe if for some bizarre reason i still have no reflection after castle and quest i'd do it
10:51 <luxidream> if we ever run any other roles for handicap/bingo battle
10:51 <aoei> but then black dragons can still get you
10:51 <luxidream> I think we can see more interesting strategies
10:51 <aoei> yea that'd be cool
10:52 <luxidream> for bingo battle we need goals that cannot be obtained with the wow though
10:52 <luxidream> otherwise it becomes pretty uninteresting
10:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:40342
10:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:40411
10:56 <aoei> right
10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:47629
10:57 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:47630
10:58 <luxidream> actually I don't know if that works too well in a nethack context, since there aren't too many route changes except for the very beginning
10:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) averted death (choked on a wraith corpse), on T:40567
10:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Lama, on T:40567
10:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 crude daggers on an altar, on T:3510
11:00 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 13491 points, T:6234, killed by a dwarf lady, while sleeping
11:01 <luxidream> sm64 bingo battle works because there are so many areas/stars that you skip that it's easy to force players to go out of their way
11:01 <luxidream> whereas in nethack there are 2 areas that are optional and some roles are forced to do them anywway
11:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:40820
11:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) had a pair of hiking boots entrusted to her by Camaxtli, on T:25181
11:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:40838
11:07 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:29236
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11:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) had a pair of jackboots entrusted to her by Camaxtli, on T:25389
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11:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 359 points, T:1908, killed by a wounded werejackal
11:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:42274
11:24 <aoei> there's also ludios but it isn't guaranteed to appear
11:24 <aoei> i sometimes end up there by accident if i land in a vault digging for castle
11:24 <aoei> and immediately run the fuck away
11:25 <luxidream> ludios doesn't exist
11:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:51292
11:25 <{Demo}> i dream im in fort ludios a lot
11:26 <aosdict> swimming through gold like a rich duck
11:27 <{Demo}> ludios is never about the gold
11:34 <K2> its about all the hot sweaty soldiers all crammed together
11:34 <K2> isnt it
11:34 <K2> {Demo}
11:34 <K2> :P
11:35 <aoei> it's always about hot sweaty soldiers
11:35 <aosdict> hmm... does ludios mess up infinigon's setseed things?
11:35 <{Demo}> huge... piles of armor
11:35 <aoei> rofl
11:35 <aosdict> because isn't it a 1/3 chance of portal being placed in any vault that generates beneath lvl10 and not on another branch level
11:35 <aoei> aosdict: not sure how it would. A given seed should either have Ludios or not have Ludios
11:35 <K2> your polearm is so big
11:35 <spicycebolla> nothin like slidin in and out of foxholes together
11:35 <aoei> because level and trap generation is supposed to stay the same for a given seed
11:36 <spicycebolla> now that's what i call morale
11:36 <aoei> lmao spicycebolla 
11:36 <K2> oh the stories i could tell
11:36 <aosdict> aoei: but one person might, say, fall down to lvl18 and generate ludios there because it hasn't generated yet
11:36 <Umbire> Hi Spicy
11:36 <spicycebolla> good god almighty this morning sarge is feelin BOOSTED
11:36 <aoei> aosdict: oh huh that's an interesting thought
11:36 <aosdict> whereas another person who goes down one level at a time will generate it on lvl12
11:37 <aosdict> infinigon: ^
11:37 <aoei> i don't really know how Ludios generation works exactly
11:37 <aosdict> it's what I said
11:37 <aosdict> not determined at the start of the game
11:37 <aoei> well then that's bad
11:37 <aoei> lol
11:38 <hothraxxa> wait a minute spicycebolla what are you doing to those foxes?
11:38 <aosdict> in xnh, I removed the 1/3 chance of failure, but left the rest the same, which underscores the problem without actually modifying it
11:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed Glasya, on T:93789
11:38 <aosdict> someone who levelports to medusa and works back up will get ludios portal in the first vault coming up, person going down will get ludios in the first vault going down
11:38 <spicycebolla> doesn't unnethack have a fix for ludios generation?
11:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1191
11:43 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:30936
11:43 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [nh370] Merlek (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:30937
11:45 <bhaak> spicycebolla: not really. it just generates the portal always if possible. which translates into about 95% of all games
11:45 <bhaak> spicycebolla: *after reading backlog* which is the same what xnethack does
11:46 <spicycebolla> ah, same as snehuh! (which is how one pronounces xnh)
11:47 <aosdict> yeah I'm not sure how this is reconcilable honestly, apart from just pre-generating the whole dungeon
11:47 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2572 points, T:1353, killed by a battle-bat
11:47 <spicycebolla> is pre-generating the whole dungeon bad?
11:47 <aosdict> well for the large majority of games it adds a lot of cpu cycles that will end up being wasted when the player dies to a newt
11:47 <bhaak> aosdict: shouldn't it be easier with the lua level compiler to force a vault?
11:48 <spicycebolla> the way dcss does it, is it pre-generates *a seed for each floor*, including branch floors. and rolls the chances for those branches on t:0
11:48 <aosdict> the reason it's not done is historical, old systems couldn't hold the whole dungeon in memory
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11:48 <spicycebolla> but it doesn't populate those floors unless you get there, but they're deterministic
11:48 <aosdict> spicycebolla: yeah if nethack moved to a model of "by hook or by crook level 17 is going to have the ludios portal this game" then it'd work
11:49 <aosdict> but I'm trying to consider solutions that don't involve modifying the base game
11:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 131 points, T:551, killed by a sewer rat
11:49 <aosdict> though we do have a bhaak
11:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) averted death, on T:93793
11:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:42899
11:50 <aosdict> bhaak: not sure how easy it is to force a vault. you could theoretically wind up with rooms placed such that a vault is impossible
11:50 <aosdict> I suppose you could just rerun makelevel() until it produces one
11:51 <aosdict> anyway this is still a "modify NetHack itself to accommodate setseed" solution
11:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:11093
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11:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:42928
11:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:42985
12:00 <bhaak> I would also be fine with a 99% solution
12:00 <bhaak> I mean NetHack fucks you anyway if it decides to fuck you once in 100 games by not producing Ludios that's fine, too
12:01 <amateurhour> closer to 1/4 iirc
12:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3177
12:04 <bhaak> removing the "if a suitable vault has been found, generate a magic portal with a 1/3 chance" to be always generate a portal in a suitable vault gets you up to ~95%
12:05 <aoei> temp drops below freezing again in an hour
12:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 2871302 points, T:43080, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nightjerle/nethack/dumplog/1612466576.nh.html
12:06 <aoei> it won't rise above again for a solid week 🥶
12:07 <spicycebolla> just put ludios on one of the islands in medusa :O
12:07 <aoei> that's actually a great idea imo
12:07 <spicycebolla> make it really hard to crack into
12:08 <Umbire> GG Jerle!
12:08 <bhaak> not the worst idea. if it hasn't been generated, generate it there?
12:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 115 points, T:126, killed by a nearly deceased goblin
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12:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) destroyed mwpuppire's ghost, the former Stepper, on T:1798
12:22 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1563
12:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu), 695 points, T:1754, killed by a wand
12:24 <spicycebolla> *shrug* ya maybe
12:24 <spicycebolla> i was just thinking about moving it to medusa for good but i'm just a peanut
12:25 <aoei> I thought you were a cat
12:25 <aoei> and a spicy one at taht
12:25 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1588 points, T:1861, killed by a wounded gnome queen
12:25 <spicycebolla> well, i'm object oriented, so there's been some polymorphism
12:25 <aoei> :o
12:26 <aoei> how's C++ going?
12:26 <aoei> i heard it's a jobby language
12:26 <aoei> maybe i should learn it too :/
12:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 2672 points, T:3448, killed by a silver crossbow bolt
12:26 <spicycebolla> pointers are the absolute worst and my current plan is to do as many exercises as i can on exercism.io and learncpp.com
12:27 <spicycebolla> and then if i still can't crack the pointers section on udemy, i'll skip it and learn everything else
12:28 <aoei> I used to think C++ was just C with some oop tacked on and kinda shit
12:28 <aoei> but apparently that's oldschool C++
12:28 <aoei> and it got a lot better
12:28 <aoei> also means my C knowledge is useless now lmao
12:28 <aoei> but then again I haven't used C in years
12:28 <aoei> so I guess it hardly matters
12:29 <aoei> spicycebolla: pointers might be the only bit I *don't* struggle with lol
12:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:94865
12:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Minetown, on T:2223
12:45 <amateurhour> if you're wanting to learn something specifically for job hunting
12:45 <amateurhour> then become a webshit and learn react or something
12:45 <amateurhour> :)
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12:46 <amateurhour> replacing react with whatever the fashionable framework is in your area
12:46 <infinigon> aosdict: interesting
12:47 <infinigon> so, one thing I can try do fairly easily is to make it so that even if the portal does generate on different levels, at least it doesn't mess up the generation of the rest of the dlvl
12:47 <aosdict> my job likes my nethack experience because we do a lot of C++, it's not really that relevant but hey if they think it makes me a better fit, then great
12:47 <Umbire> Hi infinigon 
12:47 <infinigon> good afternoon Umbire 
12:47 <Umbire> How's you.
12:48 <Umbire> luxidream, time?
12:48 <luxidream> 1:12
12:48 <luxidream> good
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12:48 <amateurhour> why, what's happening in 1h12m from now?
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12:49 <infinigon> on the scale from eh to blegh, I'm solidly at blegh. looking forward to the weekend.
12:49 <luxidream> not another ascension, I have to go to class :p
12:49 <infinigon> how are you doing?
12:49 <Umbire> I do have an OT meeting at the moment.
12:49 <Umbire> I'm okayish.
12:49 <Umbire> at that* moment I should say
12:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:13904
12:49 <amateurhour> when do you have to go to class luxidream? 
12:50 <amateurhour> if it's in more than 53 mins you have plenty of time for another one
12:50 <amateurhour> :)
12:50 <luxidream> 55 minutes
12:50 <luxidream> :thinking:
12:50 <amateurhour> plenty of time!
12:50 <infinigon> Umbire: OT?
12:51 <Umbire> Occupational therapy
12:53 <aoei> amateurhour: idk im still terrified of JS
12:53 <aoei> altho i did see one gig that wanted specifically typescript
12:53 <aoei> maybe that'd be fine
12:57 <aoei> but I have to write JS for my new version of scoreboard anyway
12:58 <aoei> unless everyone is cool with the ascended page just writing loads of JSON to their browsers
13:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:52250
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13:05 <aosdict> aoei: rewriting the tnnt site in django will make you a full stack developer
13:06 <aoei> yep!
13:06 <aoei> i had that in my mind too dw :)
13:06 <aoei> my github profile is gonna be OFF THE HOOK
13:06 <ais523> I'm not sure you can be a *proper* full stack developer unless you can debug your code at the processor-microcode level :-P
13:06 <Umbire> Hi Ais
13:06 <aoei> lool
13:06 <ais523> hi
13:06 <Beholder> Hello ais523, Welcome to #hardfought
13:07 <Umbire> YANI: Wraith corpses function as a potion of gain level of the same BUC for purposes of eating only.
13:07 <aoei> aosdict: I can post Gres, stack fully, React to REST, and ... liek a motherfucker (please help me complete this bit)
13:07 <aosdict> Umbire: meh, the c!oGL behavior is a pun because it's literally named "gain level"
13:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3488
13:08 <aosdict> that wraiths make you gain a level is a separate thing
13:08 <ais523> the funny thing is that you could make the exact same pun on "level up"
13:08 <Umbire> ^
13:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3204
13:08 <aosdict> also, eating a cursed wraith corpse would make it rot away completely anyway
13:08 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [un] ElPsyCongrooGoku (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 135 points, T:373, killed by a black pudding
13:08 <Umbire> Granted I'm also willing to 'downgrade' to affecting the amount of experience you get from blessed wraith corpses
13:08 <Umbire> also that, forgot about that
13:08 <aosdict> aoei: 
13:08 <aosdict> erm
13:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3597
13:09 <aosdict> aoei: "... and script while on java"?
13:09 <aoei> i was trying to think of a pun on django
13:09 <aosdict> "and script with a cup of java"
13:09 <aoei> like django unchained or something
13:09 <aoei> but it doesn't really fit
13:09 <aosdict> I haven't watched that
13:09 <aoei> me neither
13:10 <aoei> i just know it's a pop culture reference lol
13:10 <{Demo}> i have no idea how i watched that movie
13:10 <{Demo}> it was good and i wanna watch it again
13:10 <{Demo}> but i can't watch a movie that long
13:10 <aoei> how long is it?
13:10 <aoei> i can't watch anything longer than 20 minutes
13:10 <{Demo}> 2 hr 45 m
13:10 <aoei> which excludes most things
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13:11 <aoei> an episode of community is OK
13:11 <aoei> been rewatching season 1 a little lately
13:11 <aoei> since my sister gave me her netflix login thingy
13:12 <infinigon> ok so i get an average of ~3 mismatching dlvls if on a given seed i traverse downwards, and on another i traverse up
13:13 <infinigon> so this is definitely an issue, just not *that* big of one
13:13 <infinigon> at least the effects are confined to that specific dlvl
13:14 <infinigon> s/(and on another)/\1 run of the same seed/
13:14 <luxidream> anything wonky happening in hell?
13:14 <infinigon> yeah, they're all wonky in hell
13:15 <luxidream> that's a reasonable place for one player to traverse downwards and another upwards
13:15 <infinigon> idk, not dug in yet, i just have the fuzz results
13:15 <luxidream> well, the dungeon is the important part :)
13:16 <luxidream> I may be yelling again if someone stops to look for loot in hell :P
13:16 <aoei> lmao
13:16 <aoei> im used to looting hell in rc runs :c
13:16 <aoei> tc*
13:17 <luxidream> well I usually grab the scrolls in the lairs and sanctum
13:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:4173
13:19 <aosdict> I'm wondering what would be throwing hell generation off
13:20 <luxidream> aren't the demon lairs a random range?
13:20 <infinigon> i think those are fixed at the very start of the game
13:21 <infinigon> might be wrong though
13:21 <infinigon> back in a bit
13:22 <FIQ> they are fixed at the start, yes
13:22 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed +5 godhands", on T:9813
13:22 <FIQ> as part of dungeon topology generation
13:22 <FIQ> the exception is Knox, due to the pelicular way it requires the game to generate
13:22 <FIQ> it always generate as floor 20
13:22 <FIQ> and is only linked later
13:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:4509
13:24 <spicycebolla> bhaak: i been wondering if the randomized max depth serves a useful purpose
13:24 <spicycebolla> the practical effect seems to be just to frustrate minscore play
13:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming an ogre, on T:4823
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13:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) genocided vampire mages, on T:52483
13:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Ran Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wood nymph, on T:21102
13:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 8770 points, T:5036, eliminated by a cave troll
13:31 <aosdict> spicycebolla: well, it is nice to not have spoilers saying "the sanctum is always dungeon level 49"
13:31 <aosdict> that would be boring
13:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3754
13:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:25102
13:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Guts0 (Val Hum Fem Law), 103 points, T:164, killed by a water demon
13:37 <spicycebolla> but if you can get through 20 levels of gehennom, you can just as easily get through 4 more
13:38 <spicycebolla> and levelporting can get you to the end floor regardless of what random number it is
13:39 <luxidream> has a minor(?) effect on monster difficulty throughout the end game
13:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:52642
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13:44 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Axus, on T:12514
13:47 <rld> <@Tone> Variable dungeon depth is a good thing imo. It makes the dungeon feel a little more unique each run and adds some randomness to the depths of specific branches (like Medusa and castle) which impact game decisions by being unpredictable
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13:49 <rld> <@Tone> My rule of thumb for score issues is to fix the scoring rather than change gameplay, if that's the main concern
13:50 <bhaak> spicycebolla: probably not but in a game with procedural content having something fixed is a bit odd.
13:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (mind flayers), on T:708
13:53 <amateurhour> nethack without any random elements at all but actually its bee movie
13:54 <{Demo}> probably
13:56 <luxidream> According to all known laws
13:56 <luxidream>  of aviation, --More--
13:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:6798
14:01 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Oona, on T:13482
14:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5746
14:02 <spicycebolla> hmm
14:02 <spicycebolla> maybe the fix is just for score to not go up in the last 4 levels
14:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:4184
14:03 <spicycebolla> those who want score but aren't polypiling [who?] are getting 4 extra floors on which to find gems n crap
14:03 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2717 points, T:2313, killed by a gnome
14:05 <spicycebolla> s/4/up to 4
14:05 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 74602 points, T:7355, killed by antimagic
14:05 <luxidream> hypothetically boring man uses summon nasties farming for points
14:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:38230
14:09 <aosdict> spicycebolla: or just levels past, say, valley don't add to score. or wiztower
14:09 <aosdict> you get points for deepest level reached, with a fixed ceiling for reaching the valley
14:10 <bhaak> shaving off the points for the last levels to make minscore people happy would also be a possibility
14:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha), 941 points, T:781, killed by bumping into a wall
14:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 7 points, T:258, killed by a kobold
14:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 254 points, T:732, killed by Ms. Wonotobo, the shopkeeper
14:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1592
14:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:1846
14:26 <aosdict> alternatively we could just treat a game as minscore accounting for whatever its sanctum depth was. but people probably don't like that
14:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 2455 points, T:2610, inhumed by a white unicorn
14:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2510
14:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:2584
14:33 <rld> <@Tone> Yes, trying to normalize across seeds in a randomized game is usually a losing battle
14:35 <rld> <@Tone> I wonder if we can just change tournament scoring to track the point earned above the seed minimum, rather than expecting the devs to change the game itself to accommodate that
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14:35 <rld> <@Tone> Is TNNT the only active tournament that tracks minscore nowadays?
14:36 <spicycebolla> it's not like score currently measures skill in any way
14:36 <rld> <@Tone> With all that said, I do think capping the dungeon depth score in some way that removes the minimum score variance is harmless here
14:37 <spicycebolla> does semi-usefully measure progress if someone is not regularly ascending and never farms
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14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:6208
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14:40 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [slex] ElPsyCongrooGoku (Gan Cen Fem Law), 3024 points, T:2819, quit
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14:50 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) was given their Quest, on T:15753
14:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:40251
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15:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 15 points, T:112, killed by an explosion
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15:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:65017
15:09 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 gauntlets of power", on T:37261
15:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed amulet of reflection", on T:37267
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15:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 1292 points, T:2453, killed by a slightly wounded dwarf, while praying
15:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 28 points, T:104, killed by a scroll of earth
15:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) murdered Sirius, her faithful little dog, on T:141
15:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 39 points, T:141, killed by a scroll of earth
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15:15 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) destroyed Acererak, on T:16980
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15:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8865
15:19 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) became the Emissary of Elements, on T:17045
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15:24 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:37403
15:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:49413
15:27 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:49440
15:28 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Sir Garland, on T:17400
15:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:39240
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15:32 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed the Nightmare, on T:17609
15:33 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:17634
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15:34 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:17653
15:36 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 mithril darts on an altar, on T:6520
15:37 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:17764
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15:39 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:17869
15:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:39680
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15:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:17939
15:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:49780
15:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 62 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:38166
15:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Garland, on T:17976
15:43 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) destroyed Chaos, on T:17983
15:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class R, on T:39683
15:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:39684
15:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible tinklebear's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:9250
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15:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:49830
15:48 <rld> <@based> whats a good first wish for pirate?
15:48 <rld> <@based> im thinking godhands but not sure what could be more value in my situation
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15:50 <spicycebolla> do you have a good weapon?
15:50 <rld> <@based> no im using a dinky cutlass
15:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5362
15:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5362
15:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap (5 times), on T:49891
15:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 363667 points, T:39757, crushed to death by a collapsing drawbridge
15:55 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:38867
15:56 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) genocided class h, on T:38870
15:57 <aoei> if this was vanilla i'd say DSM wish
15:57 <aoei> but vanilla doesn't have pirates
15:57 <aoei> so ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
15:58 <spicycebolla> in the DNH channel, ##nethack-variants , orange dsm was the rec
15:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2926056 points, T:49936, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/nethack/dumplog/1611951747.nh.html
15:59 <rld> <@riker> free action is good
15:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Leggman (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:10406
16:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:39169
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16:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 orange dragon scale mail", on T:12547
16:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:1199
16:11 <aoei> gg @luxidream
16:11 <rld> <@luxidream> thanks
16:11 <aoei> was it actually a good game tho
16:11 <rld> <@luxidream> spent like 3 min on water T_T
16:11 <aoei> 3 whole minutes!!
16:11 <rld> <@luxidream> it was ok
16:11 <aoei> for shame!
16:12 <Pinkbeast> luxi: some day try Fire on a monochrome display ;-)
16:12 <rld> <@luxidream> oh that sounds like fun
16:13 <Pinkbeast> It took a while :-)
16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:40153
16:13 <Pinkbeast> (Otherwise I was pleasantly surprised by how playable the game is in monochrome)
16:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:40155
16:14 <rld> <@luxidream> I would probably have to turn on autodescribe and farlook all the traps first
16:14 <Pinkbeast> What's an autodescribe? This was 3.4.3
16:15 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:970
16:15 <rld> <@luxidream> OK then good old fashioned step on every trap until you hit it
16:15 <Pinkbeast> Mmm. Took a while.
16:16 <Pinkbeast> But I couldn't sleep on a night journey with Amy's employer and I had my https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psion_Series_5 with me, so...
16:18 <rld> <@luxidream> vikeys must be weird with the Y key on the bottom left
16:19 <Pinkbeast> That's just a German one with a QWERTZ keyboard.
16:19 <Pinkbeast> Mine's the usual British keyboard.
16:20 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2198 points, T:1116, killed by an arrow
16:20 <qt> Wow, it even has a Hintergrundbeleuchtung
16:21 <bhaak> @luxidream there are options to switch y and z 
16:21 <Pinkbeast> qt: A backlight?
16:21 <qt> Yeah I guess so, the spacebar on the Wikipedia image has that written on it
16:22 <qt> I assume because no other key was wide enough to fit the whole word on it
16:22 <qt> :^)
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16:22 <Pinkbeast> Yeah, that's the backlight. But also you have to find it in the dark :-)
16:23 <Pinkbeast> (It's a spooky green backlight, but they were superb PDAs for the late 90s. I don't want a smartphone, but I do want a Series 5 with a phone in it, and I've wanted that since long before phones stopped being tiny)
16:25 <bhaak> if this is a German keyboard where are the umlauts? and Psions are old enough to have the Euro? I thought they were older
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16:26 <Pinkbeast> bhaak: Series 5's '97, Series 5mx '99
16:26 <Pinkbeast> There's a rune to type umlauts on it but for obvious reasons they couldn't fit more keys on
16:26 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [slex] ElPsyCongrooGoku (Sai Inc Fem Law), 2961 points, T:3141, killed by a monster (hungry demon), while fainted from lack of food
16:26 <bhaak> https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/9/92/2005-04-16_Psion_Serie_5mx_PRO_24MB_beschn_unscharf_scharf.JPG
16:27 <bhaak> this one has a euro under the e key
16:27 <Pinkbeast> bhaak: Indeed.
16:27 <bhaak> that image is obviously from 2005, going by the filename
16:27 <Pinkbeast> "The name euro was officially adopted on 16 December 1995 in Madrid." but also they kept making them after the launch date.
16:28 <Pinkbeast> I _think_ 5mxes have Euro, 5s don't.
16:28 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 373 points, T:452, killed by a jackal
16:28 <bhaak> also, "beschn unscharf scharf" means "tri[mmed] fuzzy sharp"
16:28 <elenmirie> my keyboard just makes you do a little twisty dance with your fingers to get a euro from the 4 key
16:28 <Pinkbeast> That picture is a 5mx
16:28 <elenmirie> which also does dollars with a different twisty dance
16:29 <Pinkbeast> (I think separate pages for 5 and 5mx got merged, judging by the infobox)
16:29 <qt> What is Fn-i on that keyboard? a lowercase mu?
16:29 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) had a silver elven spear entrusted to her by Mog, on T:12689
16:30 <Pinkbeast> qt: It's a + on mine
16:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Kougyoku's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:9661
16:32 <Pinkbeast> (But a _lot_ of what the Fn keys do has been changed on that German one)
16:32 <qt> I can't tell what it is on the german keyboard, I wish the picture was a little more scharf
16:33 <qt> It does look like a mu https://retrostuff.org/wp-content/uploads/2019/12/psion5mxpro_02.jpg
16:35 <bhaak> yours is also only semi-scharf
16:35 <bhaak> oh, I didn't notice the umlauts at first. I'm so used to see them as their own keys
16:36 <bhaak> which I never quite understood. even on the Amiga, I hacked my keymaps to translate alt+vowel to the corresponding umlaut
16:39 <aoei> bhaak: i have weird letters on my keyboard chæck it åøt
16:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1238 points, T:1575, killed by a small dagger
16:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:10789
16:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Camaxtli, on T:37366
16:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law), 8352 points, T:7468, killed by a watchman
16:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Mon Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8281
16:50 <bhaak> aoei: that are pretty weird keys for a German keyboard
16:50 <aoei> I have my danish ex-wife's old laptop still lol
16:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 black dragon scale mail", on T:17298
16:51 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:44362
16:53 <bhaak> ah, yes, that explains it
16:54 <spicycebolla> danish spouses are great for laptops
16:54 <aoei> she got a new one some time between my old laptop dying
16:54 <aoei> and me divorcing her ass
16:54 <aoei> i need a job tho so i can get a new laptop this one is not that great
16:55 <aoei> i found some job to apply for where they give you a macbook or some shit :o
16:56 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Mon Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:8427
16:56 <aoei> gg again lux lol
16:57 <amateurhour> ooh gratz
16:57 <amateurhour> get a good time?
16:57 <Pinkbeast> Confirm, all my danish ex-wives gave me laptops
16:58 <aoei> Pinkbeast: they did? :o
16:58 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 90 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:44892
16:58 <aoei> and here i thought my danish ex-wife was special :c
16:59 <Pinkbeast> You may have more Danish ex-wives than me
16:59 <aoei> well I have one
16:59 <aoei> how many do you have?
16:59 <Pinkbeast> Fewer than one :-)
16:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 18753 points, T:11331, killed by an uninjured owlbear, while unconscious from rotten food
16:59 <aoei> 22:57 <Pinkbeast> Confirm, all my danish ex-wives gave me laptops
16:59 <aoei> so you obtained 0 laptops
16:59 <aoei> from 0 ex-wives
16:59 <aoei> gj!
16:59 <Pinkbeast> And I wasn't even going to St Ives
16:59 <aoei> well, 0 *danish* ex-wives
16:59 <aoei> Pinkbeast: LOL
16:59 <rld> <@luxidream> no
16:59 <rld> <@luxidream> 1:14
17:00 <amateurhour> wow, the OLD luxidream woulda done it sub 1h
17:00 <aoei> lol only luxidream woulid call that not a good time
17:00 <amateurhour> :^)
17:00 <Pinkbeast> I have one ex-fiancee, who does play NetHack
17:00 <spicycebolla> i guess it's time to retire
17:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:39600
17:00 <aoei> Pinkbeast: well, I can honestly tell you from personal experience
17:00 <aoei> marriage is a terrible idea
17:01 <aoei> don't do it
17:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:54950
17:02 <Pinkbeast> It seems unlikely at this juncture
17:02 <amateurhour> what if it unites two kingdoms and prevents war
17:02 <spicycebolla> marriage can be fine!
17:02 <spicycebolla> ...in all the same scenarios in which dating or cohabitating normally would also be fine :D
17:02 <aoei> spicycebolla: NO
17:02 <aoei> its BAD
17:02 <aoei> :|
17:02 <aoei> nah you're right
17:02 <aoei> mien was just bad
17:02 <aoei> :c
17:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:54951
17:03 <Pinkbeast> Well, let us know who she was, and we won't marry her. Unless it's a really nice laptop, I guess.
17:03 <aoei> so i guess better advice would be don't marry abusive partners or something idk
17:03 <aosdict> aoei wants to destroy marriage worldwide and usher in an enlightened era of free love
17:03 <aoei> aosdict: well kinda a bit, but i also believe in freedom of choice and some people want to choose marriage!
17:03 <Pinkbeast> Lord Surtur wants to usher in an enlightened era of free lava
17:04 <aoei> Pinkbeast: I'm gonna say the laptop wasn't quite worth it
17:04 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Medusa, on T:19903
17:05 <Pinkbeast> Also I checked and I have a free laptop already from someone I didn't have to marry at all
17:05 <aoei> Pinkbeast: oh yeah rub it in my face why dont you :P
17:05 <Pinkbeast> OK but the chrome @ stuck to it may chafe your nose a bit... oh, no, wait. It was an ancient falling-apart laptop
17:06 <aoei> lmao
17:06 <Pinkbeast> The good thing about knowing Mac users is they generate laptops that won't run the MacOS which make perfectly nice Linux boxes
17:06 <aoei> nice
17:06 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39616
17:07 <aoei> why aren't my friends giving me old macbooks n shit
17:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 Dragonbane", on T:42279
17:07 <aoei> possibly because they're not mac users im not sure
17:07 <aoei> my brother uses them but i think they tend to not survive that long, mishaps of some nature tend to occur
17:08 <Pinkbeast> This one had suffered a few and is now partly made of Araldite
17:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Reconnoiteress, on T:15386
17:13 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:2510
17:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) destroyed repeat's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:15765
17:16 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:15936
17:22 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [evil] aoei (Val Dwa Fem Law), 152 points, T:1327, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food
17:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:4024
17:24 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4063
17:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:18903
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17:38 <aoei> K2 your game sucks
17:38 <aoei> can't even pray for food what gives
17:39 <mobileuser> !lastgame aoei
17:39 <Beholder> mobileuser: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aoei/nethack/dumplog/1608150825.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aoei/evilhack/dumplog/1612563595.evil.html
17:40 <aoei> Tyr was even pleased and everything
17:40 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:46075
17:40 <mobileuser> Were you hungry or weak?
17:40 <aoei> i was weak
17:41 <mobileuser> and no other ailments?
17:41 <aoei> no other ailments
17:41 <mobileuser> weird
17:41 <aoei> when it didn't work i hit ^P to be sure which confirmed i prayed after the you are feeling weak message
17:43 <mobileuser> maybe your alignment wasn't high enough yet
17:43 <aoei> does that matter in evil
17:43 <mobileuser> it does in vanilla as well
17:44 <aoei> i'll have to look into that, iirc in vanilla you only don't get fed if the prayer fails
17:44 <mobileuser> "pleased", but you need "well-pleased" to be sure
17:44 <aoei> usually in vanilla pleased is sufficient for food
17:45 <mobileuser> hmmm
17:45 <Pinkbeast> You certainly can get stuck in vanilla if you're a class that starts with 0 alignment not 10
17:45 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 239 points, T:569, slaughtered by a wumpus
17:45 <aoei> what does valk start with
17:46 * Pinkbeast shrugs, ask 2005-me
17:46 <mobileuser> but then at 0 your god is "satisfied", not "pleased"
17:46 <aoei> i think i've been fed with just satisfied
17:47 <mobileuser> yeah there is still a chance
17:47 <mobileuser> but with "pleased" 1 major problem should be fixed always
17:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class h), on T:43701
17:47 <mobileuser> I don't know if evilhack is different...
17:48 <mobileuser> Evilhack gods are bastards
17:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 108 points, T:348, killed by a giant rat
17:49 <Pinkbeast> fr: Xom
17:51 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:6324
17:52 <aoei> TROUBLE_HUNGRY (weak) is minor problem
17:53 <aoei> you need to roll a 3 to get a minor problem fixed, but i haven't figured out exactly the formula you're rolling
17:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:6543
17:53 <mobileuser> aoei in evilhack?
17:53 <aoei> im just looking at vanilla code atm
17:54 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:22845
17:54 <aoei> which seems to indicate its no guarantee in vanilla either
17:54 <aoei> just rarely have seen it fail
17:54 <mobileuser> wiki says weak is a major problem
17:54 <Pinkbeast> Hang on, it used to be major in vanilla
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17:55 <Pinkbeast> And from http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/pray.html and memory, it's routine to get a major fixed, but minors are quite different
17:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:6777
17:56 <aoei> oh no i am dumb
17:56 <aoei> yeah it is major
17:56 <aoei> TROUBLE_HUNGRY really means hungry
17:56 <aoei> and is a minor problem
17:57 <aoei> will rarely be fixed by prayer
17:59 <aoei> mobileuser: you don't need much alignment ot get the standard prayer roll for fixing major stuff btw
17:59 <aoei> the code checks for ualign < STRIDENT, if it's less, you get nothing
18:00 <Pinkbeast> aoei: did that change?
18:00 <aoei> or well, you get a chance of nothing, cuz there's also an rnl call
18:00 <Pinkbeast> It used to be < STRIDENT just capped you at one major
18:00 <aoei> if your alignment is < STRIDENT (which is 4), and you fail the rnl roll, action is set to 0
18:01 <aoei> Pinkbeast: you can get action = 1 which is 1 major problem if you pass the rnl roll
18:01 <mobileuser> bedtime for me, I'll read the backscroll later :-)
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18:02 <Pinkbeast> aoei: Which version are you looking at?
18:02 <aoei> 3.6.6
18:02 <Pinkbeast> Huh, even in 3.6.0 it's then
18:03 <Pinkbeast>             action = (u.ualign.record > 0 || !rnl(2)) ? 1 : 0;
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18:03 <aoei> oh i was on 3.7 actually
18:03 <aoei> sorry lol
18:04 <aoei> looks the same tho
18:04 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:21064
18:04 <Pinkbeast> Er, so then no, you need align 0 to get to the rnl roll
18:05 <aoei> um right
18:05 <aoei> no
18:05 <aoei> align > 0
18:05 <aoei> you get the rnl roll if align is less than STRIDENT and greater than 0
18:05 <aoei> so 1-3
18:05 <Pinkbeast> No.
18:05 <Pinkbeast> That's an OR
18:05 <aoei> ohhh right
18:05 <aoei> i am blind
18:05 <Pinkbeast> Nah, this sort of thing isn't very idiomatic these days
18:05 <aoei> so only if align is 0 and you fail rnl
18:06 <aoei> Pinkbeast: I write code and use || and && all the time
18:06 <aoei> i grew up writing C ferchrissake
18:06 <aoei> i am simply blind
18:06 <aoei> anyhow
18:06 <Pinkbeast> Right, but the bit where (u.ualignrecord > 0) evaluates to 1 so we get action = 1
18:07 <aoei> true
18:07 <aoei> its a little confusing
18:07 <aoei> lol
18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3098
18:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3098
18:07 <Pinkbeast> (and stylistically the way all that's smooshed in there not 3 if statements...)
18:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:44336
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18:09 <aoei> yeah
18:09 <aoei> anyway by vanill rules if you *are* at least STRIDENT, you won't get action = 0 unless your luck is negative
18:10 <aoei> so either i messed my luck somehow or K2 made the gods meaner
18:10 <arahael> Or both.
18:10 <aoei> or both
18:11 <arahael> But probably the former, K2 wouldn't have made the gods meaner except in evil. ;)
18:11 <amateurhour> if in doubt blame Kosdict2
18:11 <aoei> arahael: yeah i was playing evil
18:12 <Pinkbeast> By vanilla rules I don't think you can get action = 0 with nonnegative luck and positive luck
18:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2894
18:12 <aoei> that statement is hard to parse
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18:13 <Pinkbeast> Yeah, because I can't type
18:13 <aoei> the way I read it, Luck >= 0 and alignement record >= STRIDENT should ensure you roll at least a 1
18:13 <Pinkbeast> nonnegative luck and positive alignment
18:13 <aoei> ah right
18:13 <aoei> yeah
18:13 <aoei> exactly
18:13 <Pinkbeast> It's possible Rauchbier doesn't augment typing
18:13 <aoei> but it augments other things im sure
18:14 <aoei> like the tastebuds or something idk
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18:14 <Pinkbeast> Crawl playing ability may also not be one of them :-)
18:14 <aoei> evilhack code looks identical
18:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2474 points, T:2973, killed by an uninjured housecat
18:15 <aoei> i wonder how i fucked up then lol
18:15 <Pinkbeast> Might be worth checking the ttyrec
18:15 <aoei> downloaded it already
18:16 <Pinkbeast> How nice it is to be talking to NetHack players who don't all play poxy tiles and actually know what ttyrecs are :-)
18:16 <aoei> do crawl players play tiles D:
18:16 <Pinkbeast> About 90% (as far as they know from online play)
18:17 <Pinkbeast> Console survives because some of the developers are very concerned about accessibility, and most of the developers play console
18:18 <Pinkbeast> It's particularly vexing in our variant because _all three_ of us play console as God intended, but I still have to draw bloody tiles for things
18:18 <jilles> crawl tiles are better than nethack tiles, too
18:18 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:3554
18:18 <jilles> the crawl ones seem to be a bit larger and better recognizable
18:19 <Pinkbeast> I guess they're OK for people who like that kind of thing
18:19 <aoei> oh turns out my alignment record was actually less than strident
18:19 <jilles> and they also let you see at a glance what weapon a monster is wielding
18:19 <aoei> the message was "satisfied" after all
18:19 <aoei> or in fact was only 0
18:20 <Pinkbeast> Even so, to get no major at all, you'd have to have align 0
18:20 <aoei> which still gives you the satisfied message
18:20 <Pinkbeast> Been murdering peacefuls?
18:20 <aoei> i think the problem is i didn't kill anyone at all
18:20 <Pinkbeast> Get _that_ carved on your gravestone
18:20 <aoei> lol
18:20 <aoei> broke paci before dying but not before failed prayer
18:21 <K2> aoei i didnt mess with major/minor trouble. you just suck
18:21 <K2> and its ok, someone has to
18:21 <Pinkbeast> And Valks start at 0
18:21 <K2> i dont think any less of you
18:21 <aoei> odd though
18:21 <K2> (well maybe a bit)
18:22 <K2> :D
18:22 <aoei> i did all of dl1 without a single monster generating somehow
18:22 <aoei> unusual to get weak before seeing monsters
18:22 <Pinkbeast> Oh, yeah, evilhack does _that_ when you start with alignrecord = 0 because it's funnier
18:22 <aoei> oic
18:22 <aoei> well now I know
18:22 <Pinkbeast> # lies
18:23 <aoei> kek
18:23 <aoei> K2: well i tried your game and can say officially it is hot garbage
18:23 <K2> no really. you're just awful
18:23 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful horse, on T:23713
18:23 <aoei> be that as it may
18:24 * aoei renames EvilHack to TrashHack on the scoreboard
18:24 <K2> oh my
18:24 <K2> you wanna play? lets play
18:24 <aoei> ok :D
18:24 * arahael eats popcorn.
18:25 <K2> oh noes i just lost power to everything in the basement
18:25 <aoei> rofl
18:25 <Pinkbeast> aoei: I run scoring for Gooncrawl and bcrawl as well as our variant and have made it well-known I'll accept reasonable bribes to make adjustments :-)
18:25 <K2> where's the scoreboard?
18:25 <K2> :P
18:25 <aoei> K2: I'll increase your Z-score by one point for 0.001 BTC
18:26 <aoei> for a whole BTC I'll make you the best in every category
18:26 <K2> lets sum up: aoei dies on dlvl 1 to a grid bug because he cant find food, claims game suck. sounds right?
18:26 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:47633
18:26 <aoei> well almost
18:26 <Pinkbeast> Think what you could get for real money, K2!
18:26 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47635
18:26 <aoei> you got hte pronoun wrong again
18:26 <K2> they
18:26 <aoei> she
18:26 <K2> them
18:26 <aoei> :V
18:26 <K2> she
18:27 <aoei> oh
18:27 <aoei> also i died on dlvl2 i'll have you know
18:27 <aoei> or dlvl3 maybe? if orgot
18:27 <K2> sorry i keep forgetting, when we used to chat you were 'he'
18:27 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:23937
18:27 <aoei> i've been she for over a year get with the program
18:27 <aoei> :P
18:27 <K2> i'm old leave me alone
18:27 <amateurhour> aoei: refuse to play until doggos get the bobble hats they deserve
18:28 <aoei> amateurhour: good idea
18:28 * aoei boycotts TrashHack
18:28 <amateurhour> also protip set your pet type to cat as they're better in evilhack
18:28 <amateurhour> unless K2 changed that already
18:28 <aoei> i have pettype:none in my rcfile and still got a pet for some reason
18:28 <aoei> i call hax
18:28 <aoei> also I died on dl4, max depth dl5
18:29 <aoei> somehow no monsters generated til i was faiting
18:29 <aoei> COINCIDENCE?
18:29 <aoei> fainting*
18:29 <K2> farting*
18:29 <aoei> oh no dl3
18:29 <aoei> but stil
18:29 <Pinkbeast> farting> isn't that SLEX?
18:29 <K2> yup
18:30 <aoei> XD
18:30 <K2> aoei, your start-scumming speedrunning mojo wont really help you in evilhack
18:30 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:24494
18:30 <K2> if you're uber lucky, maybe
18:30 <aoei> I don't scum much for rt runs tbf
18:30 <aoei> i do scum for con for valks
18:31 <aoei> but that's it
18:31 <amateurhour> there's a scumming for mojo strat?
18:32 <aoei> lmao
18:32 <arahael> aoei: For evilhack, slow and steady is best.
18:32 <amateurhour> wouldn't you just go for exalibur?
18:32 <arahael> amateurhour: In evil, you have to be knight.
18:33 <amateurhour> oh I thought for a second K2 was meaning
18:33 <amateurhour> 'your usual strategy of scumming for mojo in vanilla won't work in evilhack'
18:33 <amateurhour> hence why I asked
18:33 <amateurhour> I see now
18:36 <aosdict> K2: "he that lives upon hope, dies farting" -- Benjamin Franklin
18:36 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:25220
18:37 <K2> hah
18:38 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:25417
18:40 <aoei> lol
18:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) had The Marauder's Map bestowed upon him by Set, on T:5611
18:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Arc Dwa Fem Neu) had a large shield entrusted to her by Camaxtli, on T:38832
18:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Val Cen Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:18487
18:44 <Pinkbeast> "Millions of farts, but not a scent of tribute?"
18:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:98330
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18:50 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3491
18:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 1151 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Wonotobo's general store, on T:3480
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18:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] eraserhead97 (Val Cen Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:18645
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18:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 2524 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kanturk's second-hand bookstore, on T:3831
18:55 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:27159
18:58 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3984 points, T:4241, killed by a heavily wounded fire ant
19:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Mother Hydra, on T:25305
19:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Father Dagon, on T:25307
19:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 544 points, T:2896, killed by an uninjured werejackal
19:10 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:98769
19:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed the garnet rod", on T:25452
19:12 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:25452
19:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) wished for "blessed fixed stethoscope", on T:25550
19:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:98907
19:15 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9015
19:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Mon Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:9111
19:19 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:29681
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19:21 <Deathsushi> Does anyhone speedrun Wizards?
19:21 <Deathsushi> And if so, what is their strategy?
19:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9988
19:23 <aosdict> paging aoei
19:23 <spicycebolla> she went to bed
19:23 <aosdict> the strategy as I understand it is "whine at the RNG by scumming games until you get an early wand of wishing or polykit"
19:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:10080
19:24 <spicycebolla> alternatively: "exploit nethack's bad design for starting inventory until you have a competitive kit :P"
19:25 <rld> <@luxidream> What kind of speed run
19:25 <Deathsushi> Any
19:25 <Deathsushi> I'm just finding it SOOOOO slow to play this role, I'm wondering how people actually work with it
19:25 <Deathsushi> Ah, got it
19:25 <rld> <@luxidream> They take longer in the early game
19:25 <spicycebolla> are you trying to save realtime or turncount is the question then
19:25 <spicycebolla> don't be afraid to use weapons and armor. pw regen is too slow
19:26 <Pinkbeast> I think perhaps be more specific about your actual problems
19:26 <rld> <@luxidream> They can still be fast though, since magic mapping saves time in gehennom
19:26 <Deathsushi> I'm not really trying to save either spicy — just getting a sense of what I must be missing
19:26 <Deathsushi> I have yet to complete Soko without dying
19:26 <rld> <@910rd> train daggers and get magicbane asap
19:26 <Deathsushi> And I'm trying to figure out how you would actually speedrun this character, since so much of it is engraving, once you have magicbane, and then waiting for your pet to kill
19:26 <Deathsushi> Which is fine, but seems slooooooooooow AF
19:27 <spicycebolla> mb is a great weapon for hitting things
19:27 <spicycebolla> sounds like the actual question is "how do i play wizard well"
19:27 <Deathsushi> It could be — but the strategy for speedrunning is also what I am curious about
19:27 <Deathsushi> As in "How do you possibly do this quickly?"
19:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha), 26207 points, T:10456, killed by a hobgoblin, while sleeping
19:28 <Deathsushi> And do people run down to the minetown, etc.
19:29 <hothraxxa> luxi: you're running a commentary on the sunday races, yes?
19:31 <hothraxxa> Deathsushi: you will learn a lot about how to speedrun if you watch luxideam's twitch stream of the race 
19:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) wished for "oilskin sack", on T:100096
19:31 <hothraxxa> assuming it's all still going to plan
19:31 <Deathsushi> Are they going to be doing Wiz? I actually assumed people just played Valk or Barbs for speedrunning
19:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:100100
19:32 <spicycebolla> this is a wizard win in 1 hour. slow down the video as needed ;) https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N4NofpJAS2Q
19:32 <hothraxxa> yeah but a lot of the principles apply to any role
19:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 456 points, T:2276, killed by a slightly wounded giant mimic
19:34 <spicycebolla> and this is a commentated wizard playthrough https://invidious.kavin.rocks/watch?v=IdgGwaBX5jE
19:34 <spicycebolla> good luck!
19:34 <aoei> Deathsushi: for min turns wiz is best hands down, realtime its more even between wiz and valk
19:35 <spicycebolla> go back to bed!
19:35 <aoei> turncount doesn't do sokoban either :P
19:35 <aoei> spicycebolla: i couldn't sleep so im smoking a lil hash and watching one episode of community
19:35 <aoei> then i promise i will sleep
19:35 <Deathsushi> Ah nice, thank you aoei
19:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) destroyed the invisible Orcus, on T:26177
19:37 <aoei> Deathsushi: tc strategy is also mainly: try to steal from good early shops, get pick-axe from the mines, dig to the castle and try to beat it. on the way loot special rooms if possible (detected with detect monster spell or telepathy in mmf form)
19:37 <Deathsushi> lol mmf form
19:37 <aoei> yeah if you manage to get polykit
19:38 <Deathsushi> Haha
19:38 <Deathsushi> Your advice is great, I'm laughing at myself
19:38 <aoei> one scum strat is polying your starting rings
19:38 <Deathsushi> Like, it's like you're talking about using a mainframe to build out a spreadsheet, and I'm rubbing two sticks together
19:38 <aoei> scum for poly wand and poly starting rings
19:38 <Deathsushi> With the hope of get poly + poly control?
19:38 <aoei> just poly control and the wand is enough
19:39 <aoei> i did it recently in a shop, got lucky with the poly control ring
19:39 <Deathsushi> Then zap self?
19:39 <aoei> ascended in 5838 turns :v
19:39 <aoei> yeah zap self, eat shk brains, dig to castle
19:39 <aoei> can't go wrong
19:41 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Mammon, on T:26367
19:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a wand called curve no message on an altar, on T:4080
19:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Shaktari, on T:26401
19:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:100396
19:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:23728
19:44 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible high priest of Kiaransali, on T:100420
19:46 <Deathsushi> shk brains — what is shk?
19:46 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Death, on T:100469
19:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) averted death, on T:100497
19:47 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:100500
19:48 <infinigon> shopkeeper
19:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) averted death, on T:100521
19:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 10852 points, T:10916, killed by a wounded ettin mummy
19:53 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) averted death, on T:100671
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19:55 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Nob Dro Fem Cha), 12968766 points, T:100683, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Disruptor/dnethack/dumplog/1612059736.dnh.txt
19:57 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Yeenoghu, on T:26903
20:02 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:27127
20:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:10169
20:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 7646 points, T:10211, killed by a panther, while being terrified of a ghost
20:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Geryon, on T:56092
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20:09 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:27494
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20:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Cerberus, on T:27659
20:13 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:27693
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20:14 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 Godhands", on T:24950
20:17 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Glasya, on T:27770
20:19 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Daemon, on T:27963
20:24 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Baphomet, on T:28072
20:24 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Asmodeus, on T:28078
20:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:66098
20:31 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:66100
20:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:66123
20:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided alhoons, on T:46855
20:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:66203
20:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:66208
20:35 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1440 points, T:1399, killed by an uninjured gnome
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20:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 948 points, T:961, killed by a heavily wounded gnome lord
20:42 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed Demogorgon, on T:28720
20:46 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) performed the invocation, on T:28828
20:49 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:28937
20:56 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) entered the Planes, on T:29567
20:58 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) destroyed Famine, on T:29787
20:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) destroyed Pestilence, on T:29821
20:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:29842
20:59 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:47232
20:59 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non) destroyed Death, on T:29854
21:00 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Bat Mal Non), 8869638 points, T:29868, ascended
21:00 <Beholder> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1612503969.dnh.txt
21:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:17217
21:02 <Umbire> GG Micro
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21:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3980
21:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4047
21:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a poisoned dart on an altar, on T:4071
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21:07 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Arc Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2504
21:09 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Helios (Brd Vam Fem Cha), 1422 points, T:1163, killed by a gnome lord
21:12 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:4567
21:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Gno Mal Cha), 1454 points, T:3034, killed by a plains centaur
21:20 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Neu), 8531 points, T:2502, killed by a warhorse
21:28 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Arc Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Field Worker, on T:4727
21:30 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:18215
21:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an owlbear, on T:6418
21:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 5937 points, T:6784, killed by a wounded invisible titan
21:46 <Umbire> Polytrapped, RIP
21:48 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 374 points, T:754, killed by an uninjured rock piercer
21:49 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:33376
21:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1176 points, T:1372, killed by an uninjured kobold mummy
21:52 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:33
21:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4382
21:54 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Arc Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:6565
21:59 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder
21:59 -!- rothfuss.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ The November NetHack Tournament 2020 has ended! - https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt
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22:00 <K2> !who
22:00 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] Kevkat [nh370] Frozty [nh370] Karnac [nh370] Disruptor [dnh] KaiHerd [spl] dbanethacker [evil] omghax [seed] otc [dyn] Bourne [dyn] | [hdf-eu] Glord [nh370] tinklebear [evil] | [hdf-au] Arahael [evil]
22:01 <K2> !whereis omghax
22:01 <Beholder> K2: [hdf-us] omghax [seed]: (Arc Dwa Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1
22:01 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] omghax (Arc Dwa Mal Law) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:6
22:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] omghax (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 32 points, T:198, killed by an uninjured grid bug
22:03 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1559
22:06 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 105 points, T:220, burned by molten lava
22:06 <aosdict> [seed]?
22:06 <aosdict> omg
22:06 <K2> setseed version of 3.7.0
22:06 <aosdict> I figured
22:06 <K2> in prep for the nethack super bowl this sunday
22:07 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] BB (ezion) (Pri Hum Mal Law), 2951 points, T:71, quit
22:08 -!- K2 changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ NetHack Super Bowl here Feb 7th, high noon (EST), aoei vs stenno speedrun competition!
22:08 <K2> hah
22:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 91 points, T:145, killed by a falling rock
22:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:66511
22:08 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 Aegis", on T:1739
22:08 <aosdict> The NetHack Bowl! Sunday, Sunday, SUNDAY!
22:09 <Umbire> Noon?
22:09 <Umbire> Fuck me.
22:09 <K2> https://getyarn.io/yarn-clip/a40c0589-5563-444c-aa30-2c0798998293
22:09 <K2> EST
22:09 <K2> 5pm UTC
22:10 <rld> <@malor> so will the Nethack Bowl be streamed?
22:10 <aosdict> Duel at High Noon! Clash of the Titans! Two Champions of Speedrunning! See their Tactics! Wonder at their Strategy!
22:11 <aosdict> hang on I need to go print up some posters
22:11 <K2> @malor yes, luxidream is going to livestream it
22:11 <K2> and do commentary i imagine
22:12 <K2> flint michigan mega bowl!
22:14 <Pinkbeast> For a Fistful of Zorkmids
22:16 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] infinigon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 31 points, T:174, killed by an uninjured newt
22:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:66766
22:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Cav Dwa Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:14774
22:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class m), on T:33557
22:21 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) stole 3701 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Ennistymon's second-hand bookstore, on T:2933
22:22 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:3007
22:23 <aoei> Pinkbeast: why am i stll awake
22:23 <aoei> why are YOU still awake
22:23 <Pinkbeast> Well, a) my sleep cycle is fucked and b) I don't have work tomorrow
22:23 <aosdict> is this the sleep cycle of a WINNER aoei?!?!
22:24 <Pinkbeast> Oh and c) I have a bottle of port which d) is not yet empty
22:24 <aoei> aosdict: i sure hope so
22:24 <aosdict> get yourself to bed right now!
22:24 <Pinkbeast> But also I'm trying to think of other thunderdome/nethack puns
22:25 <aoei> i was in bed, but i couldn't sleep and evne tho it's -ve degrees outside and i have my window open and radiator off, i still manage to be way too hot
22:25 <aoei> Pinkbeast: my sleep cycle is definitely also fucked
22:25 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3333
22:25 <aoei> i also dont have work tomorrow but i didn't have work today either
22:25 <aoei> so idk if that counts
22:26 <aoei> Pinkbeast: also yay port
22:26 <aoei> yum
22:26 <aoei> i have some fizzy alcohol my flatmate gave me lol
22:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (liches), on T:3483
22:26 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh4] fard (ezion) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 22361 points, T:788, quit
22:26 <aosdict> the way people talk around here I wonder if I'm the only one with a regular sleep cycle
22:27 <aoei> ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
22:27 <Pinkbeast> I have some beer (and rum obvs, the Wellerman brought it) but I did buy this bottle of nice port today, and it's nice port
22:27 <aosdict> aoei: my terminal renders unicode as ? so that looks like the mystery man holding up two question marks for comparison
22:27 <aoei> aosdict: lmao
22:27 <aosdict> ?\_(?)_/?
22:28 <aoei> get alacritty and some better fonts
22:28 <Pinkbeast> Mine got that one but it does, thank god, filter out emoji
22:28 <aoei> what's your beef with emoji Pinkbeast :frown:
22:28 <aoei> what's your beef with emoji Pinkbeast 😦 
22:28 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [spl] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 19167 points, T:11645, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion
22:28 <aoei> Pinkbeast: i tried to borrow a tenner off my flatmate earlier, he said he needed the cash and then gave me alcohol
22:28 <aoei> idk how he knew what i wanted to buy
22:29 <aosdict> aoei: gnome-terminal is certainly capable of rendering unicode, I'm not sure what the issue is here. if I run irc directly from my laptop they show up. so it must be something with my remote instance
22:29 <Pinkbeast> I'm middle-aged and I'm allowed to hate newfangled stuff like number_pad, we didn't have number_pad when I was young
22:29 <aoei> i also despise numberpad and im not even 30
22:29 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Arc Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9538
22:29 <arahael> I haven't used a numberpad in 10 years. :D
22:30 <Pinkbeast> Good for you! But that K2, well... https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2912
22:30 <aosdict> I'm actually using an external keyboard with a numpad right now, so in the name of science I started up a game and turned on number_pad
22:30 <aosdict> ... how do people play like this?
22:30 <aoei> idk
22:30 <arahael> Pinkbeast: Very good response, there. :D
22:30 <aoei> but the world record speedrunner manages somehow
22:31 <arahael> Pinkbeast: Curiously enough, I did refuse to buy a laptop without an Esc key.  But my work laptop has no Esc key. :(  That's...  Sad...
22:31 <Pinkbeast> (FTAOD K2 is a charming bloke who I look forward to getting drunk with at Glasgow '24)
22:31 <aoei> tho he uses some funny tricks to make other sutff work as if you had vikeys, by remapping numpad to vikeys rather than actually using nethack's number_pad option
22:31 <aoei> apparently you can't ctrl-move with numpad on
22:31 <aoei> no idea why
22:31 <Pinkbeast> arahael: Ah, I remember the old DEC terminals with no escape key
22:31 <arahael> Pinkbeast: Hmm.
22:32 <Pinkbeast> I got used to typing Ctrl-[ at emacs
22:32 <aoei> Pinkbeast: i love the punchline to that quote
22:32 <arahael> Yeah, same when I use the work laptop without an external keyboard that has an esc key.
22:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:66895
22:32 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3674
22:33 <arahael> That laptop, btw, is just 2 years old.
22:33 <Pinkbeast> aoei: I feel it is my finest work in nhqdb, but then, I am a monstrous egotist
22:33 <arahael> It's rediculous.
22:33 <aoei> i've noticed some quotes get upvoted despite lacking any decent punchline (or any punchline wahtsoever)
22:33 <aoei> it's almost as if the nerds who play nethack don't understand comedy
22:34 <aoei> but that's definitely not true y'all are hilarious
22:34 <aoei> :^)
22:34 <Pinkbeast> I'm not sure I understand comedy
22:34 <arahael> Pinkbeast: That's probably why it was funny. ;)
22:34 <aoei> well if you understand why your punchline was great
22:34 <aoei> then you understand a bit
22:34 <aosdict> aoei: sometimes there's a quote with a good punchline in the middle, but then there's some still funny following material
22:35 <aoei> aosdict: see you already fucke dup
22:35 <aoei> punchline goes at the end
22:35 <Pinkbeast> No, I was kidding about not understanding comedy, I just meant gentle self-deprecation. I did intend the joke.
22:35 <K2> Pinkbeast <3
22:35 <K2> !booze Pinkbeast
22:35 * Beholder hands Pinkbeast a tall glass of grog, replicated by Rodney at 154 degrees Fahrenheit.
22:35 <aosdict> however I think that the majority of quotes do end on a punchline
22:35 <aoei> yeah probably you are right
22:35 <aoei> i am too harsh on the qdb
22:36 <aoei> and there are some pretty great ones
22:36 <aoei> also anyone can be a critic
22:36 <aoei> i don't exactly come out with the world's best japes
22:36 <aosdict> I don't like the no context cut and paste game messages
22:36 <Pinkbeast> But... a) I don't _always_ get it, and I grew up with my dad who almost never gets it (but still tried jokes)
22:36 <aosdict> they tend not to be funny, even if it's a mildly funny message combination
22:37 <aoei> my mother tried to tell jokes sometimes
22:37 <aoei> aosdict: yea those are trash lol
22:37 <aosdict> case in point https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1424
22:37 <aoei> my mother knew some good jokes, but always managed to make them unfunny
22:37 <aoei> with just terrible delivery
22:37 <aosdict> more dry Pinkbeast humor https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2782
22:38 <aoei> hahahaha
22:38 <aoei> classic
22:38 <Pinkbeast> Oh, but b) also I'd say to Wednesday, who I lived with for a decade and who was from Canadia, "you can tell when I'm joking; I talk exactly how I do when I am serious."
22:38 <Pinkbeast> K2: Oh thanks, I ran out of port
22:38 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [xnh] Guts0 (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 301 points, T:858, killed by a black pudding
22:38 <aoei> Pinkbeast: lol
22:39 <aoei> aosdict: I am bad at proper jokes with punchlines but I like to troll people
22:39 <aoei> one of my favourites was when I almost convinced K2 I was gonna make a fork of his variant
22:40 <aoei> and run a server for it
22:40 <aoei> for doggos with bobble hats
22:40 <aoei> pretty sure i had him going for a minute there
22:40 <Pinkbeast> There is a similar tension in Crawl (sorry) about felids wearing hats (Seuss, 1957)
22:41 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4176408 points, T:67014, ascended
https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1612104761.nh.html
22:42 <K2> aoei - you didnt
22:43 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Blackbeard's Ghost, on T:23488
22:43 <Umbire>  GG oh6
22:43 * Umbire backscrolls
22:43 <Umbire> Not much missed
22:44 <aoei> K2: you lie
22:44 <aoei> you thought i was dead serious admit it
22:44 <oh6> thanks, Umbire!
22:45 <Pinkbeast> I avoid this problem by never being dead serious
22:46 <aoei> lol
22:46 <Umbire> But have you tried being serious dead?
22:46 <Pinkbeast> Umbire: Nah, I figure that'll turn up whether I wanted any or not.
22:46 <aoei> i've tried being seriously dead
22:47 <K2> tax reasons?
22:47 <Umbire> Pinkbeast: You are correct.
22:47 <Umbire> 🔪
22:47 <aoei> one does tend to end up that way after a night of drug and/or drink fuelled debauchery
22:48 <Pinkbeast> aoei: It's not worth it, IRL you usually already have your possessions identified.
22:48 <aoei> you do?
22:48 <aoei> hm, i must be doing something wrong then
22:49 <Pinkbeast> I don't have anything that could be blessed, cursed, +5, that I could sell to a shopkeeper...
22:50 <aoei> yeah but how do you know if you really have good stuff without identifying it
22:50 <oh6> don't forget alchemy
22:50 <oh6> every new mixed drink combination is a potion of unknown effect
22:50 <Pinkbeast> aoei: Oh, I wrote the spoiler on identifying stuff.
22:51 <aoei> i was about to ask, "oh, the old classic?"
22:51 <aoei> but the internets already confirm
22:51 <aoei> Pinkbeast: my sincere thanks
22:52 <Beholder> [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a silver amulet of reflection, on T:8223
22:52 <Pinkbeast> Eh, I did it for me.
22:52 <aoei> irrelevant
22:52 <aoei> it was helpful to me back in the day
22:52 <aoei> so i thank you
22:52 <aoei> also i love how you acknolwedge raisse by irc nick and the rest by real name haha
22:52 <Pinkbeast> (Well, and Clare, but only when she twisted my arm :-)
22:53 <arahael> aoei: Pinkbeast has never acknowledged me by real name.
22:53 <aoei> arahael: i daresay Pinkbeast wasn't aware of your existence some 10 years ago if not more when writing that
22:53 <arahael> Infact, I don't think Pinkbeast has even acknowledged me by irc name? ;)
22:54 <aoei> arahael: what's your point lol
22:54 <arahael> Ah, I missed that.
22:54 * Umbire has yet to actually use his real name on IRC to his recollection
22:54 <arahael> You're referring to the spoiler, specifically.
22:54 <arahael> Umbire: Same. ;)  Except in bug reports, sometimes my real name leaks into that.
22:54 <Pinkbeast> aoei: I acknowledge everyone by the name I knew them by - people did usually use post names on USENET - except there are one or two cases where people's names changed to a degree that it seemed appropriate to rewrite it.
22:54 <aoei> my real name is Joanna Doyle and I put it in whois
22:54 <arahael> (As my /home directory. *sigh*.)
22:55 <aoei> most people on IRC i do not know by real name
22:55 <Umbire> Is it ok if I still call you Stella
22:55 <Pinkbeast> arahael: IDGI but if I have wronged you, do say.
22:55 <Umbire> also nice boots
22:55 <aoei> Umbire: sure I guess, quite a few people know me as that
22:55 <aoei> on another IRC network I use stella as my main nick
22:56 <Umbire> I tend to avoid using real names if I don't know a person well and/or it'd make things awk
22:56 <arahael> Pinkbeast: You haven't, it was a very bad joke (Waaaaaay to subtle.  You won't have known that I don't generally share my name on irc)
22:56 <arahael> So appologies.
22:57 <Pinkbeast> arahael: NP. But if you said something about object identification (and I ever was bothered to rewrite it), you'd be "arahael" anyway - that's how I know you.
22:57 <aoei> Umbire: I rarely use anyone's real name on IRC anyway
22:57 <arahael> Pinkbeast: Heh, cool. :D
22:58 <Pinkbeast> Lazy! Someone sends me a correction as Sebastian Fortescue, I write him down as that.
22:58 <aoei> anyway IRC nicks are just as real in a sense
22:58 <Pinkbeast> It's less effort for me. :-)
22:59 <aoei> Stella, Joanna, aoei are all my names
22:59 <Pinkbeast> A bunch of people know me only as pinkbeast, I'm sure
22:59 <aoei> Pinkbeast: I know your other name but I'd be hard-pressed to recall it
22:59 <aoei> I recognised it on the spoiler
22:59 <aoei> but if you asked me waht it was
23:00 <aoei> i'd be like
23:00 <aoei> idk
23:00 <aoei> that's Pinkbeast 
23:00 <aoei> Umbire is Umbire or Umby
23:00 <aoei> Pinkbeast and arahael are not easily shortened
23:00 <aoei> so they stay as they are
23:01 <Pinkbeast> I answer to "pinkie" (and yeah, I have)
23:01 <aoei> lol that did cross my mind
23:01 <aoei> XD
23:01 <arahael> aoei: Some people on irc shorten me to 'ara'.
23:01 <aoei> try shortening mine
23:01 <infinigon> What would you like to identify first? j - the blessed greased thoroughly burnt +1 Pinkbeast.
23:02 <Pinkbeast> ow!
23:02 <aoei> Joanna shortens to Jo and I was always known as that or a homophone with an alternate spelling
23:02 <aoei> but aoei is hard to shorten
23:02 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Pri Hum Mal Law), 855 points, T:2047, killed by a nearly deceased rothe
23:02 <arahael> aoei: "aiii"
23:02 <aoei> infinigon shortens to a mathematical... something. i wanna say constant
23:03 <Pinkbeast> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LbHprsUOlP8 I am in this video being thoroughly burned
23:03 <aoei> also hey there inf, how are ya
23:04 <infinigon> i'm awake
23:04 <aoei> same
23:04 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [seed] infinigon (Rog Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "an amulet of restful sleep", on T:4
23:04 <aoei> tho i am unsure why
23:04 <infinigon> but in real life
23:04 <infinigon> pls
23:04 <aoei> hahaha
23:04 <aoei> also :o
23:04 <Umbire> lmfao this Scooby-Doo Guess Who ep
23:05 <aoei> you used the wow seed XD
23:05 <aoei> nice
23:05 <aoei> gj infinigon 
23:05 <infinigon> Pinkbeast: what is even going on in this video
23:06 <Pinkbeast> We are on a beach (at a beach party next to the North Sea at night) throwing burning loo rolls soaked in paraffin at each other.
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23:06 <Umbire> HE'S BREAKING OUT THE BAT-CALIPERS
23:06 <Umbire> LMFAO
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23:06 <Umbire> It was for Scooby granted but wew
23:06 <Pinkbeast> The more sensible amongst us, like Clare and I, are doing it while not in our underpants.
23:07 * arahael hangs his head in shame for the human race.
23:07 <Pinkbeast> (I mean, we are wearing underpants, but also many outer layers)
23:07 <{Demo}> don't play with fire
23:08 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Arc Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12065
23:08 <arahael> I've done fire-eating before, that's cool.
23:08 <arahael> Pinkbeast: Glad you clarified!
23:08 <infinigon> i was about to object too, but more to the wastage of loo roll.
23:08 <Pinkbeast> Paraffin doesn't burn that hot; I've been hit in the face with maffballs and had no problems other than my eyebrows
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23:08 <{Demo}> ah
23:09 <aoei> yeah it's what the circies do
23:09 <Pinkbeast> Being hit in the nuts with one, if you have nuts, is bad because a soaked loo roll is pretty fucking heavy
23:09 <aoei> lmao
23:09 <aoei> ok i should slep for realsies
23:09 <aoei> night again folks
23:09 <infinigon> gn
23:09 <Pinkbeast> But Maffball is basically the most fun you can have with your clothes on.
23:10 <{Demo}> how does anyone make fun of anything that happens in the us  midwest when yall are throwing flaming toilet paper rolls at each other in your jimmies over on the confusing island zone
23:11 <Pinkbeast> Us all aren't doing it, it's just goths and we're special :-)
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23:14 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Arc Gno Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:12670
23:15 <Umbire> Hi Dolores
23:15 <arahael> Flaming goths. :)
23:17 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:25103
23:18 <infinigon> !tell luxidream setseed is on hdf-us now. i'm not planning to make any more changes that break the seed<->generation before sunday, though i think it may have changed since you last checked out the code; worth doublechecking any seeds you already tested
23:18 <Beholder> Will do, infinigon!
23:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:47423
23:19 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:47424
23:21 <Beholder> [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Arc Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Exhumer, on T:13169
23:23 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Pir Hum Fem Cha), 319345 points, T:30957, killed by a white dragon
23:23 <rld> <@based> godDAMMIT
23:23 <K2> :/
23:23 <arahael> ?
23:23 <K2> bedtime for me, drill weekend. gnite all
23:23 <rld> <@based> shouldnt have taken on fort ludios without cold res
23:24 <arahael> Playing as Jilvane?
23:24 <arahael> K2: G'night!
23:24 <tinklebear> gnight, K2
23:25 <arahael> Prefix *and* postfix forms! :D
23:25 <rld> <@based> yeah
23:25 <arahael> based: Uh, that sucks.
23:25 <rld> <@based> i shouldve taken a turn to take  a full healing out but i was really far away from the white dragon and i didnt think it could snipe me from that far
23:26 <arahael> Without cold res, that might've exploded, though?
23:26 * arahael has never played dnh.
23:26 <rld> <@based> https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/J/Jilvane/dnethack/dumplog/1612552432.dnh.txt
23:26 <rld> <@based> not sure
23:27 <rld> <@based> goddddddd i had everything ready to go
23:27 <rld> <@based> was so happy to get a pirate going
23:28 <arahael> Hmm, magic lamp too.
23:29 <Umbire> Night K2 
23:29 <Umbire> arahael: Cold res doesn't protect inventory
23:29 <rld> <@based> and a magic marker ready to be charged, three spare genocides
23:29 <Umbire> I mean there's not much you can do about an unexpected no-scope
23:29 <arahael> Umbire: I always forget.
23:30 <arahael> "no-scope"?
23:30 <Umbire> sniped, no-scope, etc.
23:30 <Umbire> moddern FPS terminology
23:30 <rld> <@based> the silver dragon was soooo far away
23:30 <Umbire> Says white on the death message
23:30 <Umbire> although...
23:31 <rld> <@based> ah yeah youre right
23:31 <rld> <@based> my bad i was thinking
23:31 <rld> <@based> getting my thoughts jumbled
23:31 <rld> <@based> i had silver dragon scales to craft later
23:31 <rld> <@based> i got pwned by the white dragon
23:31 <rld> <based> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/807468523622236180/unknown.png
23:31 <arahael> Umbire: Ah.  Yeah, I don't do the FPS thing.
23:32 <rld> <based> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/807468620913180692/fwefwef.jpg
23:32 <rld> <@based> it was somewhere near the green dot
23:32 <rld> <@based> and i was at the red dot
23:32 <Umbire> F
23:32 <rld> <@based> like noooooo
23:34 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:25803
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23:37 <Umbire> Hopefully you can string together an even better run
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23:42 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible coplate's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:10225
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23:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 dragonbane", on T:48494
23:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4740
23:50 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:26494
23:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:4834
23:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4849
23:54 <Beholder> [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:47855
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