00:03 [hdf-us] [spl] Glord (Val Ang Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10075 00:03 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 00:04 dNetHack updated (all servers) 00:04 ^ couple bug fixes 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:13770 00:07 sup lux 00:20 <@luxidream> morning 00:21 i woke up super early 😦 00:22 'lo you two 00:22 hi thar 00:22 i might go back to bed lol 00:22 its way too early 00:23 any good runs lux? 00:24 <@luxidream> nah wasn't playing today 00:24 <@luxidream> was tired too 00:25 <@luxidream> I should go to bed in an hour or two 00:25 fair play 00:27 lol one of my friends is streaming her pet frogs on twitch 00:27 rn 00:27 how cute is that 00:28 awwwwwwwww 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2763 00:31 <@luxidream> !who 00:31 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Kougyoku [nh370] Thidwick [nh370] Okjubre [nh370] Glord [spl] bouquet [evil] Bourne [dyn] | [hdf-eu] joo [nh370] | [hdf-au] Arahael [evil] 00:32 cute frogs are cute 00:33 -!- telegarn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1971 points, T:3405, killed by a wounded hill orc 00:35 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 00:36 yay i found a sick dj set someone showed me i was struggling to re-locate https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jcR-qLLwz5M 00:42 <@luxidream> cool 00:43 <@luxidream> it's not really my type though 00:43 idk what type of techno is this but i liek 00:43 do you like house? 00:43 black baxter is cool 00:43 <@luxidream> not really 00:43 fair 00:44 we have a sick club that often does house nights in Hamburg but it has not been open for a long tiem 00:44 no idea why 00:44 [hdf-us] [dyn] Clark (Bourne) (Val Hum Fem Law), 7903 points, T:117601, choked on an ogre king corpse 00:44 <@luxidream> I like trance 00:44 ah neat 00:44 i used to go to these raves in farmers fields and random forests and shit when i was a teenager lol 00:45 hard trance, psytrance, breakcore 00:45 those were the days 00:45 <@luxidream> oo that sounds like fun 00:46 also getting to the party was always kinda fun, you needed a mate with a car and you'd call this party line with instruction where to go, eventually join this huge convoy of cars 00:46 one i was at got shut down by the cops tho 😦 00:46 acab 00:46 <@luxidream> what why 00:46 they were illegal raves lol 00:47 organised by volunteers who asked some small donation (we called it pound for sound) 00:47 liek they'd pass round a bucket 00:47 Sounds fun 00:47 aoei: Did you put chocolate money into it? 00:47 hahaha 00:47 no 00:48 quite often the cops wouldn't bother shutting them down tho, they'd just park somewhere nearby and stop people leaving, search them for drugs 00:48 jokes on them, everyone finished their drugs before going home 00:50 <@luxidream> lol 00:50 <@luxidream> I mean the gathering itself is not illegal right? 00:50 <@luxidream> just the drugs 00:50 uk also has laws about noise levels and unlicensed parties of that nature 00:50 <@luxidream> wow no fun laws 00:50 yeah 00:50 :C 00:51 we used to call them free parties 00:52 was a lot of fun, but i only had one friend with a car who knew the scene so after we drifted apart i didn't go to them anymore 00:52 i think he moved to the us actually 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4705 00:53 i might have found some contacts here who know about similar things in hamburg but it's winter now and also corona 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:4733 00:53 [hdf-us] [dyn] Clark (Bourne) (Val Hum Fem Law), 1186 points, T:1579, killed by a wand 00:54 so rip 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:4739 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4780 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:4799 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Fem Law), 2435 points, T:5028, killed by a wounded Woodland-elf 00:58 F 01:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law), 44175 points, T:15402, killed by an uninjured troll 01:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2448 points, T:3811, killed by a snake 01:37 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 270 points, T:1054, killed by a giant spider 01:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:58 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Val Hum Fem Neu) were named as the Envoy of Balance!, on T:15309 01:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 37869 points, T:8543, killed by a vrock of Huhetotl 02:09 gz luxidream 02:10 What was the time? 02:11 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 02:13 1:04 with soko, no earlywow 02:14 :o 02:14 sick 02:15 if I can cut soko that means sub 1 wowless is possible 02:15 is that wowless pb? 02:15 yea 02:15 awesome :D 02:15 congrats 02:15 Naisu 02:16 how was dungeon luck 02:16 besides wow 02:16 well, besides lack of 02:16 I picked up conflict from soko, sor from medusa, gray dragon scales (but I could have made some) 02:16 had to wish for all the good scrolls 02:17 conflict and sor is nice but the dungeon didn't give you everything and you still got 1:04 damn 02:17 that's p sick 02:20 :ok_hand: 02:20 well I'm going to try and sleep now 02:20 zzz 02:20 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Really quit? (Y/N)] 02:20 @luxidream Night <3 02:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:2786 02:21 go aoei go! 02:29 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:18905 02:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:36 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:36 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:46 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:46 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:48 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 02:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3624 03:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3818 03:02 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 03:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:3836 03:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of old gloves entrusted to her by Odin, on T:12198 03:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Darothok (Sam Hum Mal Law), 565 points, T:1125, killed by a monkey, while frozen by a monster's gaze 03:12 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 16741 points, T:11642, killed by an owlbear 03:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:19352 03:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:19355 03:13 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 03:16 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:4104 03:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:4105 03:26 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:4303 03:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:4304 03:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:4316 03:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:4500 03:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:4502 03:41 Stella! You must go schnella! 03:44 haha 03:44 Mach schnella, Stella! 03:46 Umbire: oh, german speaker? :o 03:47 Osmosis mostly :B 03:47 ah! 03:47 * Umbire picked it up from Tom and Jerry 03:47 didn't know they had that 03:47 It's the newer one, they have a buncha episodes in specific settings 03:47 only know the simpsons did it. "DIE BART DIE". it's german for "the bart, the"! 03:48 * amateurhour checks if German has an ATT article 03:48 One's a Van Helsing kinda deal 03:52 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:54 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 03:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 918 points, T:1907, killed by a wounded dwarf 03:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:4775 03:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 109 points, T:484, killed by a wounded small mimic 03:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Hlf Fem Cha), 144128 points, T:22548, killed by a frost giant, while helpless 03:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 279 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:4863 04:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:4895 04:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 701 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:4924 04:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 193 points, T:672, killed by a wounded brown mold 04:03 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Quit: spicycebolla] 04:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] PeachMuffin (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 227 points, T:410, killed by a wounded hobbit 04:09 -!- PavelB has joined #hardfought 04:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "holy fixed +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:5398 04:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 518 points, T:1402, killed by an uninjured pony 04:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:5461 04:19 i bought 10k dogecoin 04:19 to the moon 04:20 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1963 points, T:2457, killed by a soldier ant 04:21 I YOLO'd $GME on robinhood before they went all scummy and now I only have one share of GME and robinhood isn't letting me spend my money on anything or withdraw it 04:21 I wish I could get doge tho 04:22 rip 04:23 rip 04:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Inc Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2761 04:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Inc Fem Neu) was given the Rod of the Ram, on T:2828 04:24 i wanna buy 10k more :3 04:24 but i shouldn't probably 04:25 Well, hopefully my one share does well 04:25 aren't there other brokers wwhere you can buy gme 04:25 robinhood has all my money 04:25 I was not, uh, being particularly financially responsible 04:26 oh wow 04:26 yeah, uh 04:26 Not like *all* my money 04:26 But I'm not comfortable having less in my bank account than I have right now 04:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "holy fixed greased +5 speed boots", on T:5718 04:27 right 04:28 !whereis StellaSchnella 04:28 PavelB: [hdf-eu] StellaSchnella [nh370]: (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) T:5612 The Elemental Planes level: -3 (with Amulet) 04:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:5796 04:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Inc Fem Neu) was given Epoch's Curve, on T:3356 04:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:5805 04:33 Sub-6k... 04:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 726678 points, T:5838, ascended 04:33 (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:StellaSchnella) 04:33 * Umbire prays 04:33 fuck yeah 04:33 Yay! 04:34 that was without early wow too 04:34 i think sub-5k might be possible without early wow even, i made mistakes in that game 04:34 gratz! 04:34 i was quite lucky with wishes tho lol 04:35 wished for HoOA from a throne on the ascension run 04:35 lopl 04:35 didn't need it but 04:35 still 04:35 woulda been nice if i hit lawful altar 04:35 Is aoei StellaSchnella? 04:35 yes that's me 04:35 Ah, congrats 04:35 thx 04:35 I haven't been on irc in a few months 04:36 on fire plane i had to repoly and forgot that i'd swapped out PC ring for poison res 04:36 i was in a fire vortex 04:36 then became a silver dragon 04:36 lost quarterstaff and all my armour except the unworn HOoA and the SDSM itself 04:36 lol 04:36 wrested WoW for new speed boots on water 04:37 did you let the portal drift away again? :^) 04:37 nope, but i took my sweet time about getting there 04:37 because it took me a while to realise i could change depoly myself from silver dragon by force bolting @ self 04:37 had to remove the Eye temporarily to do that 04:37 woulda been scary if Rodney showed up 04:38 Does nh370 not have dumps at all? 04:38 PavelB: i can show you the dump 04:38 it does have them 04:38 the bot is broken 04:38 Beholder's acting up is all 04:38 Ah 04:38 Still workin' on that 04:38 it'll be easier to fetch the dumplog from scoreboard when it updates 04:38 in about 2-3 min 04:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2843 04:39 oh it is already up 04:39 i was looking for aoei but didn't link the accoujnt yet 04:39 cool 04:39 PavelB: https://nethackscoreboard.org/gametime.nh37x.html dumplog link here 04:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] StellaSchnella (Wiz Elf Fem Chha), 726678 points, T:5838, ascended https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/StellaSchnella/nethack/dumplog/1611604496.nh.html 04:40 4h40, is that correct? 04:40 stenno2: should be, why? 04:41 didn't you reach minetown 1h40 ago? 04:41 i went back to the mines when i ran into trouble in the valley after quest 04:41 oh ok 04:41 lost xl so couldn't levport to vlad region 04:41 wao, dumplogs have gotten way prettier 04:41 needed to go somewhere to revgeno wraith 04:41 Is that an hdf thing or a new nethack thing 04:42 and since i chose branchport to mines, i decided to check out mt 04:42 there was a magic lamp 04:42 there's colors and everything 04:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3047 04:42 so extra wish 04:42 plus i killed all the shks and donated 04:42 i let Izchak live, gracefully 04:42 then i killed mt priest and redonated to the valley one on the way up lol 04:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3093 04:44 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 04:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:53 html version of the dumplog, I think K2 added those for hardfought? 04:59 Tangles has an open PR to vanilla for html dumplogs 04:59 but it's on hardfought already yeah 05:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 4918 points, T:4770, killed by an uninjured owlbear, while sleeping 05:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Inc Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:6344 05:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 425 points, T:991, killed by a magic missile 05:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3069 05:17 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 05:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 115 points, T:108, killed by a sewer rat 05:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 111 points, T:152, killed by a grid bug 05:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 126 points, T:156, killed by a grid bug 05:30 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:30 -!- eLtMosen has quit [Changing host] 05:30 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 05:31 <@malor> cool, dnh is reporting again! 05:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Dwa Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:449 05:40 early wish, nice 05:40 which weapons do you usually use on a convict? 05:47 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 05:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Neu) had a steel axe entrusted to her by Odin, on T:13282 05:49 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:50 <@malor> iron ball until I get crowned then Stormbringer (crowning gift). 05:50 oh do you not use the spoon? 05:50 <@malor> the iron ball is a pretty good weapon. 05:51 <@malor> at level 1 I sometimes use the spoon since Convicts start out with negative luck a lot of the time and hitting is tough. But most of the time I just use the iron ball from the start and drop the spoon quickly. 05:51 I mean the artifact spoon from the quest 05:51 <@malor> Then again, I die at level one a lot on Convict. 🙂 05:52 <@malor> no I haven't ever used it, other than when something makes me drop my weapon. 05:52 I think it's a 2x damage weapon 05:52 <@malor> yes, it is. But stormbringer gives you 25 con which gives you a lot of extra HP and performs very well as a weapon also. 05:53 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 05:53 <@malor> also 25 ST. 05:53 yeah it's probably better I guess 05:53 malor do you levdrain to reroll HP once you have stormy? 05:53 idk if that still works in dnh 05:54 <@malor> no, I haven't ever done that. 05:54 but it's a fun strat 05:54 <@malor> plus in dNethack it adjusts your CON automatically. 05:54 <@malor> so it's not required anyway. 05:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 374 points, T:964, killed by a wand 05:54 but does it reroll your HP based on new con? 05:54 <@malor> in dNethack if your CON adjusts it retroactively applies it to all levels. 05:54 ahhh 05:54 ok yeah i see 05:55 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:55 -!- stenno3 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 05:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:56 <@malor> also in dNethack if you can avoid gauntlets of power it is beneficial as spells are generally more useful in dNethack as you have tons of books and there are a lot of creatures that are more vulnerable to spells than weapons. So stormbringer lets you get 25 ST and wear leather gloves so you get better casting. 05:56 <@malor> Convicts are able to get basic in attack spells so it works out great. 05:56 oh sick 05:57 btw malor how's scoreboard hacking going 05:57 did you do cool stuff 05:57 aoei: you should try dnh for real sometime 05:57 amateurhour: im having too much fun rt and tc speedrunning vanilla 05:57 see if you can get a sub 2k turncount asc :P 05:57 i havent even got sub-5k in vanilla yet 05:58 anyway help me persuade malor to do some hacking on the NHS 05:58 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:58 since they play dNetHack and care about that game I can hopefully delegate dNetHack matters of the scoreboard to malor 05:58 oh malor is there any reason your alts aren't linked on the scoreboard? 05:58 and continue to largely ignore the variants 05:59 probably because either nobody asked me, or I was asked and forgot to do it 05:59 well there might be a reason malor didn't want to link them, idk 05:59 that is also a possibility 05:59 <@malor> I looked through the code and I think I understand where I want to do what I would like to attempt. Right now, I'm trying to help get all the first ascensions for dNethack handled 🙂 06:00 oh yeah that'd be sweet 06:00 have you found the annoying big json file where all the allowed race/role/align combis are manually defined? 06:00 <@malor> I don't really want them linked. It's nice to see them separately. 06:00 that's also fair 06:00 fair enough 06:01 for some people who aren't very active I took the liberty of linking accounts 06:01 should they surface and ask to unlink I can also do that 06:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 175 points, T:403, killed by a wounded small mimic 06:02 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:03 <@malor> nethack_def.json -> yes. I actually like things like that 🙂 Exhaustive listing has solved a lot more problems than people give it credit for 🙂 06:03 also malor lmk if you need any help getting a testing version set up on your local machine or whatever you're using to hack 06:03 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:03 <@malor> I will. I'm not one of those people that is afraid to ask for help 🙂 06:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:7, killed by a wounded black pudding 06:05 one thing to note is that live and dev branch look for cfg and lib in ~, on the actual server that's because nhs-live is its own user with homedir /srv/nhs or something, and then I have two repos live-repo and staging-repo where /srv/nhs/{cfg,lib} symlink into live-repo, as do stuff in /srv/nhs/bin 06:06 for local testing I have similar symlinks in my homedir but that might be annoying, also just looking in workdir in stead of $HOME might be better, now that i think about it, since the nhs scripts on the site run with workdir=$HOME anyway 06:08 <@malor> ok 06:08 besides that and making a cfg/nhdb_def.json and a cfg/auth.json (for db passwords) you basically just need to set up postgres and import everything in schema/ 06:09 other db might also work, dunno how much stuff in the code uses postgres specific features, but probably just use postgres 06:09 <@malor> back to thoughts on Convict in dNethack -> Convict is VERY HARD until you get to level 3 and then is just a little harder than monk/barbarian. They start out with an excellent weapon, they just need to get skill with it. 06:09 for local testing i just use python -m http.server for checking stuff int he browser 06:10 ah interesting malor 06:10 <@malor> the live pages don't use the db do they? They are all flat-file-esque, right (currently at least, which I actually like simply because then it is instant access on the front end) 06:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:10 correct 06:11 my plan is to keep a lot of the oldschool static HTML stuff but start writing a REST API in go for stuff like custom search 06:11 <@malor> cool. Doing that is an underrated solution also 🙂 Because there are a LOT of ways to make the background processing faster, but database access is always DOG SLOW compared to just display TEXT! 06:12 yeah it just starts getting annoying when you want to add lots of filtering options or custom searches 06:12 but keeping a lot of static stuff and having a fancier frontend API is kinda best of both world I guess 06:13 also things like Z-score and FirstAsc are majorly slow to calculate on the fly 06:13 so it's best to keep those static probably 06:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a dwarf corpse, on T:4750 06:15 <@malor> the zscore page would be near impossible on the fly since you have hundreds of users and thousands of games to consider 🙂 06:15 precisely 06:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Pri Hum Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5931 06:16 <@malor> in any case, I like the way the site works. Very fast, updates in a very reasonable time frame. No reason to fix what is definitely not broken! There is a lot of beef in these pages and I am looking forward to diving in to it. 06:17 Well as I said I want some additional features like custom search 06:19 but I guess that's more like adding new stuff rather than fixing 06:19 <@malor> My faith in flat files is very high. I think full search could be done and still never access the database. I love databases for background work and don't like them for front end 🙂 06:20 how would that work tho 06:20 make a static file for every possible search 06:20 I don't see it 06:20 lol 06:22 also do I need to get a discord bridge bot for #nhs-dev or something 06:22 would be a better place to discuss stuff like this maybe 06:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4136 points, T:5515, killed by an uninjured little dog 06:22 <@malor> no, make several that are partial. For a mundane example: Separate every game into sets. First would be "role", then for the more populare roles separate into "role-race" then for the more popular "role-race" separate into time frame "role-race-date". So you have simple code that says, "if (exists(role-race-date)) { } elsif (exists (role-race)) { } else { #use role So each file is relateively small. Parsing a 1 megabyte file on the fly is 06:22 extremely fast. Faster than establishing a database connection at all in my testing. 06:23 interesting 06:24 well you've given me some cool ideas now 06:24 Particularly since all those disc pages will probably just hang around in memory forever once you look at them once 06:24 right 06:24 <@malor> most languages can open and parse a flat file in nearly zero time and do so with CONSISTENT speed. One issue with database access on the front end is the inconsistent speed. Most of the time it is good, but sometimes it gets lame due to a longer query running elsewhere or sometimes just because the query-planner is deciding to do something bad 🙂 06:25 just yolo it and give us full db access 06:25 <@malor> yikes. I don't mind giving a lot of access, but giving access to people that "know enough to be dangerous" almost always yields a query like this: select * from table1, table2, table3 where [no where clause] 06:26 yolo 06:26 OK so what I think I want is to rework the backend a bit so that it's doing two jobs, one is monitoring xlogfile sources and taking care of DB imports, and the other is periodically checking the DB and spitting out flat JSON files somewhere 06:26 or just straight to HTML, for some pages 06:26 and then some bits of frontend can parse the JSON for custom searches and other stuff 06:27 <@malor> that sounds good. 06:28 👍 06:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3002 06:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 499 points, T:1506, killed by a wand 06:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:48 06:31 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law), 2383 points, T:3500, quit 06:35 yeah it's an interesting approach, not what I would have thought of doing but sounds like it has merit 06:35 also if DB queries are totally decoupled from HTTP page requests, the site is pretty much DoS-proof 06:35 i mean you can DoS nginx if you try hard enough 06:36 but the DB is more vulnerable to that I imagine, if custom queries generate DB lookups 06:38 <@malor> yeah, the database is the BIGGEST vulnerability. Obfuscating access to that is a huge benefit. Not one I tend to mention though even though I always think about it. I just don't ever mention vulnerability when talking as that rabit hole is infinitely deep and if clients start asking questions they will realize NOTHING IS SAFE. 06:38 LOL 06:38 true 06:38 <@malor> there are zero days still out there. 06:38 yeah of course 06:39 also I have PermitRootLogin enabled on openssh 06:39 <@malor> and that's if your system is 100% buttoned up. You are still vulnerable. And having your system be 100% buttoned up is pretty hard to keep up with by itself! 06:39 and the password is solarwinds123 :^) 06:39 yea indeed 06:39 <@malor> that's at least a little hard to guess with the carrot symbol 🙂 06:39 XD 06:40 if the right people want to target you they're gonna have the 0days and it's very hard to do something about it 06:40 but you're usually not a target 06:40 the average site is a target of dumb script kiddies looking for low hanging fruit tho 06:41 aoei: Let us not mention the fretting I've done over the fact that a) I run a Crawl server and b) fucking _4chan_ play Crawl 06:41 <@malor> my company used to do a lot of work for bitcoin companies. We ran over a billion dollars in transactions over the course of a 4 month period one time. We made a good amount of money, but it has left a scar because of how deadly and frequent the attacks were. It was scary 24/7. 06:41 Pinkbeast: lmao 06:41 jeez malor 06:41 yeah that's a legit target 06:42 malor: On the plus side you have the rare distinction of having got plenty of real money _out_ of that ecosystem :-) 06:42 <@malor> there are so many angles of attack in bitcoin/crypto. we eventually created a system where the wallets were 100% offline. We were in the process of patenting our process when BTC fell to 3k back in the end of the year 2018 and then we lost all our BTC related business and just didn't bother continuing the process. 06:43 <@malor> I'm sure a lot of people have done that, probably more than me. But yeah, it paid the bills for a while. 06:44 so many angles of attack> also the whole space is basically live-action EVE so you are not short of attackers :-) 06:45 lawl 06:45 that's legit 06:46 ay malor did you see my sick win 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] nightjerle (Pri Hum Fem Law) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1677 06:46 <@malor> plus if you are successful in a "theft" you have a completely untraceable address that you can use without any worry. 06:46 <@malor> which win was that? 06:46 https://nethackscoreboard.org/gametime.nh37x.html 06:46 StellaSchnella number 1 bb 06:46 <@malor> 2 hours. That's really fast. 06:47 <@malor> oh, 2 hours ago 🙂 06:47 <@malor> still 4:40 is pretty fast also. 06:47 well I also have a wallclock barb with 2h 8min 06:47 that's the gametime page I linked 06:47 which I might consider renaming to turncount as it's less ambiguous 06:48 <@malor> oh 5,838 turns. 06:48 <@malor> what the? 06:48 <@malor> I didn't even look at that column. 06:49 <@malor> what is 37x? What does that mean? 06:49 -!- Andrio has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:49 see the version column? those are all vanilla 3.7.0 games on that page 06:49 !lastgame 06:49 Tangles: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:nightjerle) | [hdf-eu] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:StellaSchnella) | [hdf-au] (sorry, no dump exists for evil:Arahael) 06:49 heheh 06:49 <@malor> oh 37x = 3.7.x 06:49 aye 06:50 <@malor> under 10k turns seems impossible. Lately I have been getting progressively more turns for some reason 🙂 06:50 <@malor> my caution level in my games is getting too high I think 🙂 06:50