00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:11771 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:10419 00:05 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 9006 points, T:1688, killed by a hobbit, while praying 00:06 luxidream: lol I see you fixed my mistake on the wiki where I put dwarf monster item generation info on the page about the player race 00:06 and also nicely paraphrased some stuff i put a bit clumsily 00:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:34510 00:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:34515 00:08 but i have to fix one thing because you reworded a bit to of certain dwarves guaranteed dagger, plus 1/3 chance of pick-axe, possibly because of poor wording by me originally. it's 1/3 for pick-axe and the others get a dagger 00:08 i will fix it now, i double checked the sauce too to be sure 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:12290 00:12 ok thanks 00:12 I assumed you were just being lazy 00:13 how dare you :V 00:13 I mean you know how to write 00:13 haha 00:13 i thought i also put something about the hat #tip trick 00:13 I did 00:13 but that's unreleased 00:13 so needs to be in a box 00:14 truuuue 00:14 is the problem that we don't know how to make the boxes 00:14 read your ~~bakunin~~ wiki style guides! 00:14 psst 00:14 idk maybe i was slightly lazy 00:14 wat cures sliming 00:14 tommo: fire 00:14 also prayer if you've made it out of gehennom i think? 00:14 activate your oil potion and bottom up 00:15 anything else 00:15 okok 00:15 i think there's some weird thing where you can polyself to a slime 00:15 but you can also polyself to fire E 00:15 salamander form 00:15 i can write fire 00:15 can probably quaff a lit lamp 00:16 lazy as in i knew my sentence was a bit clumsy 00:16 wait can you really quaff a lamp 00:16 but it seemed good enough for NetHackwiki 00:16 i admit your new pg on stacked dwarf gear odds is better 00:17 luxidream: i wouldn't be *surprised* if you could but idk 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:12474 00:17 fortunately sliming gives you 8 or 9 turns to fix it 00:17 no I just don't want to put unreleased strategy information 00:17 not like delayed stoning which is quite urgent 00:17 just facts 00:18 it could confuse some players on 3.6, and is still subject to change 00:18 oh you mean the hat tipping bit 00:18 idk i think its fine with a box 00:19 i think i just wrote "in 3.7.0" but didn't put a proper box 00:21 I'd just hold off on strategy information for now 00:21 could put it on Talk 00:21 if I went through and made strategy sections for every 3.7 change 00:21 if antsy to jot it somewhere 00:21 it would clutter fast 00:21 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 00:22 i dont actually care that much if its in the wiki or not, upon further reflection 00:22 ok 00:23 I'd just stick it in {{upcoming}} if I bothered at all, personally. 00:24 tommo: Also, this is late, but a fire vortex is also a good idea. 00:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:35346 00:28 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2389 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11270 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:13247 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 908 points, T:1692, killed by a wounded water moccasin 00:36 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Aphrodite, on T:19293 00:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:36156 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 144 points, T:475, killed by an uninjured kobold zombie 00:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:36194 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:14371 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:14371 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of levitation", on T:14449 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 578 points, T:751, killed by a crossbow bolt 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:14570 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "2 holy water", on T:14582 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:14586 00:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:36606 00:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:36701 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1895 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of Archon", on T:35121 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:14660 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:14687 00:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:37005 00:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 439022 points, T:14701, ascended (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:Tommo) 00:54 no dump! 00:54 grats tommo 00:54 i got sub 4 :3 00:54 it exists 00:54 okok 00:54 beholder is dumb 00:54 heh 00:55 yee 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1514 points, T:2470, killed by a wounded soldier ant 00:55 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:3416 00:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joo (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:20964 00:56 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:56 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 00:57 GG Tommo-- fuck. 00:57 !tell tommo Congrats on the sub-15k. 00:57 Will do, Umbire! 01:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:37495 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law), 156 points, T:667, killed by a wounded giant mimic 01:01 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:06 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Really quit? (Y/N)] 01:07 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Durin's Bane, on T:21762 01:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:37766 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:35454 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35480 01:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:37851 01:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed Dagon, on T:37925 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2413 01:18 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 01:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed Kostchtchie, on T:38049 01:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed Glasya, on T:38120 01:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3285 01:24 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3612 01:27 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:38528 01:27 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:28 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:38586 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4281 01:33 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 01:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:39402 01:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:39405 01:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed living mask", on T:39523 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5932 01:46 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 01:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:39706 01:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Grumbar, on T:39766 01:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) destroyed Death, on T:39779 01:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:39804 01:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 7195422 points, T:39812, ascended 01:53 (sorry, no dump exists for dnh:microlance) 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "fixed greased magic marker", on T:36021 01:56 GG. 02:05 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 t-shirt", on T:25000 02:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:7409 02:08 microla: congratulations on first dnethack gnomish convict win! 02:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:7467 02:09 little gnome, big iron ball 02:09 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 02:10 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1612119637.dnh.txt 02:12 a big iron ball strengthens a gnome and makes them equal with the tall folk. 02:15 :D 02:24 d - the blessed rustproof Iron Ball of Levitation 02:27 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:7310 02:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) was given Glamdring, on T:2925 02:56 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:02 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:03 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 03:07 [hdf-eu] [slshm] HarmathZsolt (Und Dop Fem Neu), 84 points, T:195, killed by a sewer rat 03:08 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 03:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:8702 03:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) was given the Blade Singer's Saber, on T:9027 03:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) was given Premium Heart, on T:10090 03:30 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 03:32 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 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dretch 04:58 -!- eLtMosen has joined #hardfought 04:59 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:46 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 05:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed Bolg, on T:16028 05:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 326 points, T:2394, killed by a giant spider 05:51 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:53 !tell luxidream i know why the setseed branch was lagging for you now 05:53 Will do, infinigon! 06:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on Dlvl:36, on T:23966 06:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:23972 06:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:24098 06:11 -!- Guest19061 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 06:11 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:12 -!- Borto has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:18 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 34 points, T:13, killed by a marid 06:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:24340 06:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Hum Mal Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:49831 06:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:24344 06:53 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Jed Woo Mal Cha), 1444 points, T:1299, quit 07:03 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Jed Woo Mal Cha), 695 points, T:917, killed by a monster (water elemental) 07:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2539 07:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3551 points, T:2728, killed by a wounded giant ant, while praying 07:27 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Jed Woo Mal Law), 2603 points, T:1273, killed by a monster (dreadblossom swarm), while paralyzed by a monster attack 07:32 !tell luxidream @luxidream ask infinigon about some possible ways to know altar order on astral 07:32 I'm on it, amateurhour. 07:33 so i actually need to fix this astral altar bug in 3.7, because it breaks setseed rng stability haha 07:34 it's how i stumbled across it in the first place 07:35 why does it need fixing? 07:35 like what drifts because of it and how? 07:36 if it doesn't drift until astral entry thats not so terrible lol 07:36 no, it drifts immediately and it's really dumb 07:36 game is pretty much decided by that point 07:36 here's why 07:36 oh 07:36 blah 07:37 the game has a single shuffled list of alignments which it uses for all these different "random" altars 07:37 the weird thing is that the shuffle happens exactly once when you launch the game (roughly) 07:37 and this shuffle consumes 2 RNG steps 07:37 which means if you save and reload, you're 2 RNG steps ahead of someone who hsan't saved and reloaded 07:38 but why the drift. both games should be doing that right. wait nvm i missed the bit about save/reload 07:38 infinigon: if this is gonna be a tricky fix i'd say it's not the highest priority thing 07:38 aosdict: no it's not fixed in 3.7 07:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:52157 07:38 we won't be saving and reloading during a race... aaaaaaa wait 07:38 aoei: i think you missed the discussion in #evilhack 07:38 network problems 07:39 12:21 if i'm reading the code right, the alignment of the minetown altar will always be the same as the alignment of the leftmost astral altar *as long as you don't save and reload the game* 07:39 could cause hangup and necessitate save/reload 07:39 lol that's a useful hack to know for wallclock speedruns 07:39 the bug is actually speed tech :D 07:39 nice 07:39 you could use it for tc too but with tc runs people tend to spend longer thinking and planning, and save more frequently 07:40 that and tc runs often don't visit minetown at all 07:40 so basically if you get coalignet mt, take the left altar at astral :) 07:40 it's even better if you plan to use HoOA 07:41 if you're lawful valk and mt is neutral, pick middle or right 07:41 yep 07:41 lux is gonna love this lopl 07:41 he lost some ValkGDQ runs to being not very stacked and hitting neutral altar 07:42 luxidream is gonna have to try it as an arc :^) 07:42 network trouble can still ruin that hack 07:42 but its still pretty cool 07:42 nice find 07:42 infinigon: i missed the #evilhack discussion due to not being joined to #evilhack 07:43 * aoei adds weechat buffer 37 07:43 yeah, i accidentally the wrong channel 07:43 was meant to be sent here but 07:43 ah 07:43 infinigon: have you checked whether it's the same in 3.6.6? 07:44 it is 07:44 neat 07:44 though i have only read the code (and verified once via wiztest) 07:44 so i'm only like 90% sure i got this right :D 07:44 lol 07:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 7265 points, T:2108, killed by a vampire 07:46 infinigon: can you infer middle and right if you know left or does that not work 07:47 or actually just tell me which bit of code to look at 07:47 my 3.6.6 wiztest also gave neutral mt, neutral left astral 07:48 aoei: the arc quest has 3 altars that are in the same order as astral 07:48 but otherwise i don't think there's a way to tell 07:48 the code is the lua stuff in dat -- in particular the "align" array in nhlib.lua 07:48 which is used by some other files 07:48 interesting 07:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5793 07:50 * infinigon is a wiztest noob, how did you get to minetown and astral so fast 07:50 ^V then press ? 07:50 took me like 10 minutes to verify once lol 07:51 nice thanks 07:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:22020 07:54 im also wiztesting this now too 07:54 i've done something horribly wrong 07:55 i got two lawful astral altars, and one "unknown" which panics the game lol 07:55 gonna make clean and reinstall, not sure what i did :P 07:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:6881 07:55 hmm 07:55 it worked for me the first few times and then i got lawful mt and neutral left altar 07:56 testing 3.7 aoei? astral can be flipped 07:56 3.6.6 07:56 but there are different level versions which may be messing with this 07:57 double-basin and original map worked thus far 07:57 half-basin did not 07:57 may need to account for that 07:58 is astral mappable with magic mapping? 07:58 3.6 didn't have lua yet. 07:58 so only 3.7 affected? 07:58 ah 07:58 hmm, that's possible 07:59 i just failed to reproduce this in 3.6.6 07:59 let me dig into the code some more 08:00 i also failed to reproduce on half-basin 08:00 although if I look into dat/endgame.des:551, the align array is used withouth previous shuffling in that des file 08:00 seems to be global 08:00 aha 08:01 bhaak: yeah, how do des files work 08:01 then i suspect you can infer all the altars if you know map type and minetown altar alignment 08:01 im gonna just brute force this in wiztest and make a table of results 08:02 infinigon: lex/yacc based DSL that hooks into function defined in sp_lev.c 08:02 aoei: i'd be careful 08:02 it doesn't make sense to me why the behaviour should be different for the half-basin variant, from the code 08:02 src/sp_lev.c:658 defines shuffle_alignments() in 3.6 08:03 infinigon: you do your source digging, i will do my brute force and see if i find consistency or lack of pattern 08:03 have to do a lot of runs to be statistically significant i guess 08:03 but still 08:03 ok, and that gets called once per map, bhaak 08:03 right? 08:04 so, it's actually not reproduceable in 3.6.6? 08:04 yes, in sp_level_coder() on line 5335 it's called. sp_level_coder() is called for every new level. so 3.6 shouldn't be affected 08:04 :( 08:04 3.7 is certainly affected. 08:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7501 08:05 for now 08:05 ah ok 08:05 but ... there's level flipping. 08:05 a level can be vertically mirrored 08:05 and you can't tell whether astral is flipped lol 08:05 ok 08:05 hah. 08:06 this thing has no legs ig uess 08:06 * aoei puts away the wiztesting setup 08:06 it has one leg for arcs 08:06 who can tell what the middle altar is 08:06 because that's the same regardless of flipping 08:06 oh you may be onto something there 08:07 btw if you get a neutral minetown you know you can head to middle altar and hooa 08:07 and it's possible that there is still an off-by-one error in mirroring the level 08:07 as law/cha 08:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] otc (Mon Hum Fem Law), 16470 points, T:7800, killed by a nearly deceased gargoyle 08:07 ah, yes, that's true amateurhour 08:07 so you might be able to deduce how the level is flipped 08:07 bhaak: ah, interesting 08:08 given it's 3.7 only, and given it's probably going to be fixed pretty quickly, probably not worth putting too much more effort into this :( 08:08 would be epic to find some kind of way to know whether levels are flipped based on already flipped ones seen 08:09 not as good as my rigging the system RNG in a competition at university 08:09 bhaak: would upside down astral be a rotation or a vertical flip 08:10 it can be either i think 08:10 I don't think it's ever rotated, but I could be wrong 08:10 think I remember it as two independent chances, one for vertical flip and one for horizontal 08:10 i just got neutral minetown and neutral middle altar 08:10 ??? 08:10 there is no rotation. it's flipped/mirrored along the horizontal and/or vertical axis 08:10 aoei: in 3.7? 08:11 bhaak: ah ok 08:11 infinigon: yep 08:11 oh what 08:11 busted 08:11 ok there's something else going on in the code then 08:12 don't remember when i last pulled/compiled nh370 tbf 08:12 but 08:13 oh i think i see it 08:13 nethack creates a separate lua instance for each dungeon 08:14 so the shuffle happens once per dungeon, and astral is in a different dungeon 08:14 sigh 08:14 well that's good right? :P 08:14 no bug 08:15 well, no bug because it so happens that none of these randomised altars share a dungeon 08:15 but variants might not have that property 08:15 i guess 08:15 but yeah, sorry for the false alarm :) 08:15 also we still have the problem of save/reload messing up the rng state 08:15 yeah 08:15 * infinigon goes back to fixing that 08:15 infinigon: that's not your highest priority though if there are other issues still 08:16 players can agree not to save/reload 08:16 mmm, it's a quick fix 08:16 if its a quick fix then fair 08:16 there's also the themed room with three altars 08:17 but that is also only in its own dungeon 08:17 also aosdict pointed out (in #evilhack) that the themed room's altars are randomly positioned 08:18 infinigon: what was the github link again 08:18 for playtest 08:18 i moved it, it's now at 08:18 https://gitlab.com/infinigon/nethack/-/tree/setseed_chacha 08:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed ring of shock resistance", on T:53530 08:18 key 08:18 thx 08:18 git clone it, then git checkout setseed_chacha 08:19 k 08:19 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 08:19 -!- card.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ The November NetHack Tournament 2020 has ended! - https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt 08:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 08:19 !ping 08:19 K2: Pong! 08:19 !lastgame omghax 08:19 K2: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:omghax) | [hdf-eu] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:omghax) | [hdf-au] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:omghax) 08:20 infinigon: randomly positioned but remember that nethack loves linked lists. how does / work if you skip through all altars on the level? I wouldn't rule out that you might be able to find out the order of the align array from that 08:20 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:20 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 08:20 !whereis omghax 08:20 K2: [hdf-us] omghax [nh370]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 08:20 yay that works now 08:20 bhaak: hehehe good point 08:20 bhaak: haha, didn't think about that. 08:20 what are the rules for where the portal on the Plane of Air can be placed? 08:21 -!- ais523 has quit [Client Quit] 08:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:15, killed by a falling object 08:21 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 08:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 08:21 !lastgame omghax 08:21 K2: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:omghax) | [hdf-eu] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:omghax) | [hdf-au] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:omghax) 08:21 !lastasc k2 08:21 K2: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for dnh:k2) 08:21 huh, I ask a question and immediately get disconnected 08:21 ok 08:21 so now I don't know whether a) anyone saw the question or b) anyone answered 08:21 ais523: i saw your question 08:21 nobody answered 08:22 ah good, means I don't have to re-ask it and look like I'm being insistent 08:22 lol 08:22 I was hoping the area would be drawn on the map in the wiki, but apparently not 08:22 ah you might have to dig in the lua files or something 08:22 in 3.4.3 it's PORTAL:levregion(57,01,78,19),(0,0,0,0),"fire" 08:22 but im not sure 08:23 but I always have trouble reading these coordinate lists 08:23 naturally, that looks awful to read lol 08:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:20770 08:23 also, I think some of the coordinates are 0-based and some are 1-based and I keep forgetting which is which 08:23 please god why 08:23 why do they mix them 08:23 just use one 08:24 щ（ﾟДﾟщ） 08:24 oh, x-coordinate is 1-based, y-coordinate is 0-based 08:24 are you serious 08:24 lmao 08:24 I have no idea why people would do something like that 08:24 yeah that's nuts 08:24 lol 08:24 x = 0 is treated special 08:24 as not on the map. for example a Vault guard is moved there when they disappear (for technical reasons) 08:24 maybe so bhaak but it still leads to a situation where hackers and maintainers will hate whoever it was made it like that 08:25 !lastgame omghax 08:25 K2: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:omghax) | [hdf-eu] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:omghax) | [hdf-au] (sorry, no dump exists for nh370:omghax) 08:25 :P 08:25 !booze 08:25 anyway, it looks like thee portal on Air can be anywhere within the rightmost teleport region (from 1-based column 56 eastwards), except for its edges 08:25 !booze everyone 08:25 aoei: I tried to fix it for NH4 I think 08:25 !coffee 08:25 but it was a complex fix without player-visible gains 08:25 baby steps 08:25 no coffee :( 08:25 aoei: you have free time. invent a time machine and go back to the 80s and try to disuade whoever is resonsible for that :) 08:26 and there were quite a few bugs in it 08:26 bhaak: good idea :D 08:26 * aoei fetches the Delorian 08:27 bhaak: x > COLNO makes for a perfectly good special case which doesn't need you to screw up your coordinate conventions 08:28 infinigon: what's with sys/unix/hints/linux.2020? 08:28 which one are you using for setup.sh and for compiling 08:28 i'm just using sys/unix/hints/linux 08:28 idk what's with the 2020 one 08:29 * tinklebear hands nabru a mug of room-temp turkish coffee with congealed butter on top 08:29 idk what the right one to use is 08:29 i normally use just linux, some repos have linux-debug as well 08:29 I think the old one can be made to work but the 2020 one works better on modern computers 08:29