00:02 [hdf-us] [un] Guts0 (Con Vam Mal Cha), 1957 points, T:3459, killed by a watch captain 00:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Hum Mal Cha), 111 points, T:338, killed by a grid bug 00:14 TIL Tiamat didn't get her actual name and was just The Chromatic Dragon in the v. first D&D 00:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Hum Mal Cha), 228 points, T:176, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 00:15 That sure was a sentence 00:15 She didn't get her actual name *until AD&D 00:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Hum Mal Cha), 48 points, T:39, killed by a jackal 00:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Hum Mal Cha), 0 points, T:10, killed by a jackal 00:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:13790 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed ring of free action", on T:41500 00:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Hum Mal Cha), 111 points, T:206, killed by a grid bug 00:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Hum Mal Cha), 152 points, T:221, killed by falling downstairs 00:20 What's Cleaver like? 00:20 Good weapon? 00:22 <@riker> it's not awful, can be irritating when you have a cursed two-handed weapon though 00:22 <@riker> holy water in a bag you can tip obviously works though 00:23 Sounds good. It being a two-handed weapon is it's primary disadvantage? Just looking for a weapon for the late game. 00:25 It's a solid AoE weapon at the least 00:25 !whereis Arahael 00:25 Umbire: [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370]: (Xxx Xxx Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: -1 00:26 Ah, still choosing 00:26 In any event it also hits friendly monsters in its attack range too, so keep that in mind 00:26 Yeah, I did notice that. 00:27 I'm basically going back through the dungeons and mines and checking out all the loot I went over. 00:27 I need another 30k Xp points before I can do the quest. 00:27 Going back...? 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:88421 00:28 Umbire: Yeah, I _could_ do the castle instead, but I want my quest first. 00:29 Wait then why... 00:29 !whereis arahael 00:29 Umbire: [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370]: (Xxx Xxx Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: -1 00:29 Something's wrong with that whereis. 00:29 I'm now at mines end. 00:29 Yeah, bot's bugging 00:29 (again) 00:30 Thing about the quest is while the QA isn't as much of a meme as it was prev. made out to be 00:30 Also picking all the various loot. I didn't get my BoH until fairly late. 00:30 it's still kinda iffy 00:30 I'm a wizard, the bot is seriously bugging. :) 00:30 A chaotic wizard. 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:41657 00:31 Speaking of barbs 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41658 00:31 Anyway Heart of Ahriman isn't bad so much as it is redundant if you caught previous discussion on that 00:31 Yeah, but the Eye isn't that bad. ;) 00:31 You get stealth one level after being quest eligible 00:32 and you can grab a luckstone from the Mines 00:32 granted this one resists curses 00:32 I recall that it's replaced in evilhack. 00:32 Ring of P'Hul, wasn't it 00:32 Yeah. 00:32 Really good, that, I wish for it whenever I can. 00:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:16009 00:33 Anyhow it's invokable for levitation which is sorta alright, does have the perk of being "controllable" via just dropping it 00:33 and it levitates the steed as well if you're riding 00:34 Yeah. But I want the eye. :) 00:34 The Eye of the Aethiopica 00:35 Not much use for a Barb :B 00:35 Jokes aside, anything else you wanna know about them before trying one? 00:36 I've actually never tried one, they're not great at spells, are they? ;) 00:36 (I don't think I want to try one?) 00:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:88566 00:38 Just use wands 4Head 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:88574 00:46 Umbire: Maybe another time. :) Why you asking about barbs? You doing one? 00:49 In 29k turns, I've yet to find an aligned unicorn. 00:49 No, you brought up Cleaver and I presumed. 00:50 Ah. I found it in the mines. 00:50 !whereis Arahael 00:50 tinklebear: [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370]: (Xxx Xxx Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: -1 00:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) killed Aglaope, on T:17434 00:50 tinklebear: I'm a chaotic wizard, now on my way back down the main dungeons. 00:51 Can't seem to get my Xp up, so I think I'll do medusa. 00:51 is it a waste to sacrifice too much early game evilhack? Should I rather wait until I'm lvl 13ish before attempting to get an artifact from sac? 00:51 in my percieved experience, black unicorns show up first deeper in the dungeon than others 00:51 * Umbire shrugs 00:51 bouquet: You don't want to get crowned too early. 00:51 tinklebear: Ah, good to know. 00:52 like, it seems like I always see the others before I find a black one. 00:52 because it takes longer to curry favor with your deity or is there some evilhack-specific reason? 00:53 bouquet: It massively increases your prayer timeout, although it does boost your intrinsics, now sure how that works in evilhack, though. 00:53 Probably more of a "personal experience bias" thing 00:53 Oh you mean crowning 00:54 I mean yeah the vanilla reason still suffices honestly 00:54 thanks. So, I guess sacrifice like mad until I eventually get an artifact. 00:54 Umbire: nope, I was talking about the black unicorns. And yeah, I made clear that I am talking about my perceived experiences. 00:55 The important thing is to mind your luck 00:55 er, Luck 00:56 That's why I want a black unicorn! Chuck some gems at it. 00:58 * tinklebear is real bad at following conversations 00:58 I mean bouquet 00:58 gotcha 00:59 dNethack updated (all servers) 01:00 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 9518 points, T:6054, killed by a white unicorn 01:02 -!- Admin__ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:02 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:30191 01:03 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 01:06 -!- bort13 has joined #hardfought 01:07 -!- bortle has joined #hardfought 01:07 Anyway, may as well bounce. 01:08 Hold on a tick. 01:08 Never mind, actually. Night. 01:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 01:10 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:10 -!- bort13 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:12 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Arc Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Camaxtli, on T:1309 01:14 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 01:14 gnite 01:15 -!- bortle has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:15 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 3128 points, T:1564, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:19 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:22 K2: G'night! 01:22 Oh, missed the context! 01:24 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Bar Hum Fem Neu) reached Minetown, on T:1976 01:44 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:44 [hdf-au] [gh] PeachMuffin (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 1280 points, T:1971, died of starvation 01:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:20387 01:50 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Bar Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a violet fungus, on T:4488 01:51 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 01:56 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 01:57 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 9245 points, T:5379, killed by a crocodile, while praying 01:58 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 541 points, T:1895, killed by a dart 01:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) wished for "cursed fixed +3 godhands", on T:20751 02:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 staff of necromancy", on T:20758 02:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:32428 02:18 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 02:22 -!- bort13 has joined #hardfought 02:23 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:34 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Enchantress, on T:33096 02:41 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 02:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:18345 02:48 * Arahael pockets his spare wand of wishing. 02:51 hai 02:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) was given Windrider, on T:22822 02:53 hullo, aoei 02:53 tinklebear: :D 02:53 happy $time 02:53 wheee 02:54 how is the high reindeer today 02:55 sort of tail-end of day here. 02:55 waiting to un-tilt after losing a pet unicorn I had gotten attached to, in a pretty lame way 02:55 :c 02:55 would pats make you feel better? 02:55 lol. 02:56 it is hard losing a pet 02:56 i understand 02:56 clumsy typos... 02:56 pets are family 02:56 displace carnivore pet over unicorn corpse == no more unicorn 02:57 your other pet ate your dead pet D: 02:57 er, yeah. 02:57 brutal 02:57 how it goes. happened before, it'll happen again. 02:58 all of this has happened before 02:58 and will happen again 02:58 hamster wheel 02:59 aye 02:59 man, i wish i had some herbs to smoke 02:59 its not legal here :( 03:00 not sure how legal it is here, either 03:00 o rly 03:00 where is here nayway 03:00 the great city of columbus, ohio 03:00 i thought you were usa or something 03:00 isnt it legal in the us 03:00 these days 03:01 i think it goes state-by-state, for the most part? 03:01 or is it just Cool States™ 03:01 yeah, I think it's just cool states. 03:01 awe 03:01 colorado, or whatever 03:01 that's weak 03:01 they fuck around with "medical marijuana" laws here 03:01 ...but god that's pretty lame 03:02 like, just let us grow it 03:02 i guess just legalise it 03:02 yea 03:02 like tomatoes 03:02 haha 03:02 seriously 03:02 * aoei imagines a weed plant next to her also imaginary tomato vine 03:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha), 304196 points, T:23732, quit 03:03 the city buses were free here for a while, but I guess that was just temporary 03:04 * aoei actually thinks it should all be legalised, tho some of the people who just like weed dont like this idea 03:04 totally! 03:04 but prohibitions just increases overall harm and violence, while making lots of money for organised crime lol 03:04 * tinklebear nods emphatically 03:04 like the whole thing is extremely flawed 03:04 it's intentional. has to be 03:05 yeah i mean if you read about the history of the war on drugs 03:05 in the early days loads of people in the organisation promoting and enforcing that 03:05 were on the take with heroin smuggling for example 03:06 there's a really great book about this called Chasing the Scream, by Johann Hari 03:06 prohibition is a money maker lol 03:06 secret police gonna secret police 03:06 aye 03:07 kind of depressing... 03:07 and it also got majorly started by the US and then became a strong-arm foreign policy thing 03:07 they pressured the UN into other countries doing the same etc 03:07 no downsides! 03:07 no downsides of course not 03:07 * tinklebear shakes head 03:07 yeah its crazy 03:07 that books is really interesting tho 03:07 i recommend it 03:08 lots of interesting historical tidbits and stuff on drug addiction treatment and what not 03:08 cool. it's about heroin, specifically? 03:08 nah not just 03:08 its kinda a history of the war on drugs 03:08 cool 03:09 but also looks at addiction and various stories about addicts, there's one bit where a dealer involved in gang crime is interviewed 03:09 buncha stuff 03:09 some of it is also looking at prison systems and gets kinda dark 03:10 some of it goes into mexican cartels and shit and gets a bit scary lol 03:11 no matter how cynical I was, growing up, turns out I wasn't nearly cynical enough 03:11 like economic theories of terror and violence 03:11 the argument goes something like this: 03:12 lets say in former times, cartels stuck to certain rules of honour 03:12 they wouldn't kidnap, they wouldn't murder civilians, they woudln't do this or that 03:12 any time one would break a rule like that to put more faer int he people or otherwise gain a competetive edge 03:12 all the otehrs must start breaking it to keep up 03:13 so they become incrementally more violent and terrifying 03:13 but its just business 03:13 seems like I've seen some movies that dramatise this process 03:13 probably 03:13 this is from that book, though? 03:13 yeah there are some bits of the book that talk about cartels 03:14 and interview one former cartel membor in a prison 03:14 member* 03:14 some movies dramatise or even glorify these things 03:15 cartel chapter(s) of book are a bit dark and scary 03:15 ditto some stuff on us prisons 03:15 dark subjects 03:15 aye 03:15 there's a nice uplifting story about vancouver in the book too 03:16 about a bunch of addicts banding together and getting heavily involved in local government 03:16 resulting in better policy on treatment programmes in the city 03:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) destroyed PeachMuffin's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:27586 03:17 the forces arrayed against anything like that happening here... 03:17 I'm a downer, sorry 03:17 :( 03:17 its k 03:17 [hdf-us] [slshm] gt (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 8259 points, T:5013, killed by a rabid rabbit 03:17 the world is a pretty grim place 03:17 its hard to stay chipper under these conditions 03:17 idk how i manage it 03:18 whatever you're doing, I guess it works! 03:19 oh i remember now 03:19 i just take all my existential dread 03:19 squeeze and crush it, put it in a chest 03:19 i lock the chest, throw it in a closet 03:19 drape blankets in the closet and stuff it in a corner 03:19 and hope it can't get out 03:20 usually it doesn't get it 03:20 out* 03:21 https://0x0.st/-oi_.jpeg related 03:23 lol. yeah. 03:23 idk if weed helps with that problem 03:23 but i might try and get some 03:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1170 03:24 i asked a bunch of my friends and nearly all of them agreed don't do meth 03:25 this is what I've heard. but I have no personal experience, so I don't feel I have any basis for opinion. 03:25 fair play 03:25 what about the existential dread thing 03:27 i think i tend to sublimate my dread into either ... some sort of study, or into thinking about science fiction or fantasy role playing games (such as nethack) 03:27 do the weeds help tho 03:27 but I don't know. what mean "sublimate" anyways? big word. I don't know 03:27 or do i ahve you confused with somebody who smokes the weeds 03:27 im not so sure actually 03:28 but yea i do omsething similar 03:28 oh, yeah. i think a small amount of weed mixed into cigarettes is helpful 03:28 distraction myself from the impending doom 03:28 distract myself* 03:28 with fun things like nethack or abstract thoughts and study about stuf 03:30 I say "small amount" just because, well, it's less than I've noticed other people seem to use 03:31 yea i think there's somethign to thta tho 03:31 cuz i often found myself getting anxiety from smoking it 03:31 might just be messing up the dosage 03:31 I think it's interesting to think about how a person understands drugs, culturally 03:32 weed is much stronger today than it has been historically, too 03:32 so it's easy to put too much in 03:32 good point 03:33 like, the culture I'm in, and I assume most european cultures as well, have centuries of experience with alcohol, coffee, tea, tobacco 03:34 aye 03:34 ...and people don't really seem to classify those as "real drugs" 03:34 which I think is ... interesting 03:34 well weed's been around for a long time too but perhaps got really big in the 60s 03:34 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:35 tinklebear: i agree! but it sorta makes sense, like, those are so ingrained into culture they're just .. things we have 03:35 those other ones i guess because 03:35 partly because of fear of the unknown 03:35 you have something the prohibition propaganda can leverage 03:36 have you seen reefer madness lol 03:36 lol. heard of it, of course. not sure I even need to see it. 03:36 i havent actually seen it either i feel like i know enough lol 03:36 it's suffused through the culture, both pro and anti 03:36 aye 03:37 but yeah you have a point 03:37 the drugs we consume the most as a culture aren't even seen as drugs lol 03:38 some cultures did use cocaine for centuries however 03:38 but they didn't do it people today often do 03:38 they chewed on coca leaves 03:39 true 03:39 for a slow release of a lower dosage of a very potent stimulant 03:39 so why do people do powder cocaine today? 03:39 because of prohibition 03:39 coca leaves are huge and bulky, a nuissance to ship generally, but even more problematic for illegal smuggling 03:40 i've always been a little surprised at how rigid my peers beliefs are, about how various drugs are "supposed" to be used 03:40 this is referred to as the "iron law" of prohibition sometimes 03:40 and was seen during alcohol prohibition days too 03:40 oh, yes. distribution concerns determine a lot of stuff. 03:40 everybody drank bootleg liquor 03:40 beer was not a thing in those days lol 03:41 and once you have pure extracted cocaine or harder alcohol, higher doses tend to be used 03:41 increasing harm and addiction potential 03:42 addiction potential is great, if you're a distributor 03:42 that too 03:42 like the DEA or whatever 03:42 hahaha 03:42 i laugh but 03:42 like i said before, a historical precursor to the DEA was on the take and making money from smuggling 03:43 why wouldn't the current DEA keep up that fine tradition 03:43 i knew a guy who lived in Belgium for a while, and he said everyone bought their weed from the cops. like, straight from the cops 03:43 lmao 03:43 at least htey're open about it over there i guess? 03:43 I haven't had anyone confirm this, but it made me think 03:44 * tinklebear doesn't know any belgians 03:44 lol, I'll ask my belgian friend if he bought any of his weed from the cops 03:44 yeah, let me know what he says! 03:45 kk 03:46 power is weird. money. drugs, secrets 03:47 nation states trying to hack other nation states with bad passwords *cough* solarwinds123 03:48 this was part of a supply chain attack on microsoft stuff or something? 03:48 aye 03:48 some of the american media attributed the hack to russian intelligence 03:48 which seems relatively likely to be true 03:48 tho the americans also hack and spy on everyone so lol 03:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:49 yeah. good for whoever did it! 03:49 *cough* xkeyscore *cough* 03:49 i think the supply chain attack hit microsoft pretty hard 03:49 good 03:49 but also various government agencies 03:49 extra good 03:49 and the entrypoint was SolarWinds 03:49 hehe 03:50 cuz that was the trusted supplychain tool they hacked 03:50 which had teh amazing default password of solarwinds123 03:50 or one of the servers running it had that pass 03:50 lol 03:50 probably plenty of similar cases 03:50 oh yea 03:50 probably 03:51 but this one hit the news big time 03:51 tinklebear: my biggest addiction right now is these leaves from the tea plant 03:51 can't get enough 03:51 it's my main caffeine source and im pretty sure im developing insane tolerance to this shit lol 03:51 cool. do you have a favorite kind/ 03:51 / 03:51 ?? 03:52 * tinklebear has trouble hitting shift key 03:52 i have a bunch of different ones on the go rn 03:52 all loose leaf 03:52 and i have this nice tea strainer not one of those crappy tiny ones that do not allow decent water flow 03:52 but a largish open one 03:53 its quite versatile and easy to reuse (unlike those fillable teabags which tend to ber use once) 03:53 but i digress 03:53 my fav atm is the loose leaf lapsang souchong that i have 03:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:53 i also have english breakfast, earl grey and sencha 03:54 for a while i was drinking this awesome green tea called longjing, which my friend brought all the way from yunnan and was a gift 03:54 i ran out of that one tho 03:54 it was amazing 03:54 cool 03:54 tea-wise i'm a philistine 03:55 it's not something i understand the nuances of 03:55 i like the smoky breakfast teas, because they seem most like coffee 03:55 but really i'd just rather drink coffee 03:57 well a lot of tea you find in shops is just straight up bad 03:57 especially here in germany lol 03:58 does it degrade over time? 03:58 like, sitting in warehouses, on shelves, etc? 03:58 it should keep fairly well if properly stored 03:59 altho i've seen some boxes of teabags here that are just cardboard boxes with bags inside and nothing is sealed or air tight 03:59 so those will degrade while in warehouse or on shelf 03:59 i would imagine 04:00 simply because volatiles and oils and things will slowly dry out and be lost to the air 04:02 east india company. do you know much about it? like, what its purpose was? 04:03 exploiting locals and bringing goods back to "great" britannia i would guess 04:03 sadly im not super well-informed about the history of that 04:04 oh, that's okay. 04:04 care to enlighten me 04:04 ? 04:04 oh, this happens to me a lot! 04:04 im guessing it's fairly dark bc horrible imperial power and what not 04:05 fairly sure they were a big part of the opium wars too 04:05 tinklebear: what happens to you a lot? 04:05 the opium thing was something I wondered about 04:06 I ask a question, intending a peer-to-peer interpretation, and people think I'm trying to dispense advice or osmething 04:06 hahah 04:06 I used to teach, and it happened all the time! 04:06 well some people use lines like you did at a precursor 04:06 in order to avoid telling people stuff they knew already 04:06 [hdf-us] [slshm] gt (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 778 points, T:2130, killed by a rothe 04:07 its also a useful rhetoric device in teaching yea 04:07 get the students to tell a little of what they do know and start a dialogue 04:10 i was just thinking that the whole nation state involvement in drug trade thing might be a bit older than american TLAs 04:11 All I know is that at the time, the asian countries - malaysia, what became sinapore, philippines, etc, were very much in a period of upheaval. 04:12 perhaps not mere coincidence, of course 04:12 tinklebear: lol good point 04:13 i mean, both good points 04:13 what means TLAs tho 04:13 three letter agencies 04:13 DEA, CIA, FBI, etc 04:13 ahhh right 04:13 btw https://webcomicname.com/post/641409382403506176 04:18 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 04:18 hits so close to home i think i don't quite get it? 04:18 if it hits close to home then how do you not get it XD 04:18 possibly 04:19 not sure. i ran into a guy on the bus, from a past life, that i hadn't seen in a long time 04:19 he's like "how are you doing, man?" 04:19 i'm like "you know, sometimes I think I'm the last to know" 04:20 and he looked at me kind of weird. 04:20 but like he didn't disagree 04:21 ahahhaha 04:21 i think i get you tho 04:22 or at least it evokes some consideration in my mind about the disparity between your own experience of your life 04:22 and external observers ideas of what it means to do well 04:22 and who is doing it 04:22