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"advil" hangs out in ##crawl-dev if you want to chat with the person who put in almost all the work on it https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/rng_guidelines.md 00:26 I'm on it, spicycebolla. 00:26 also ofc nh4 already has seeded play 00:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide cloak of protection", on T:39420 00:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Fem Law) killed the invisible Oona, on T:39663 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1064 points, T:2849, killed by a wounded killer bee 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) murdered PUTTY, his faithful large cat, on T:14355 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:14425 01:04 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Pri Sal Mal Neu), 1281 points, T:1566, killed by a dwarf 01:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) murdered BLAZER, his faithful imp, on T:14752 01:19 [hdf-us] [slex] quark (Nin Shp Mal Neu), 68 points, T:178, killed by a monster (deathmold) 01:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15501 01:20 [hdf-us] [ndnh] smzp (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 7356 points, T:2682, killed by a dwarf 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Dresser, on T:15650 01:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Fem Law) killed Father Dagon, on T:42232 01:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Fem Law) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:42234 01:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:42502 01:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed tiny bone pick axe", on T:43141 01:53 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 01:57 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 01:58 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:04 -!- tjw has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 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(Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:55095 02:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:44806 02:38 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:38 -!- {Demo} has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:38 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- {Demo} has joined #hardfought 02:57 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:02 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:02 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:02 -!- bezaban has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 03:08 -!- bezaban has joined #hardfought 03:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Fem Law) killed Daemon, on T:46023 03:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Fem Law) killed Glasya, on T:46144 03:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:17 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:21 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:46861 03:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Wiz Dro Fem Law), 3826688 points, T:47011, poisoned by an aligned priest 03:52 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:54 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 04:00 F 04:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 8265 points, T:5973, killed by a wounded owlbear 04:12 yo amateurhour, currently making your half baked role :P 04:15 improving the game piece by piece 04:15 lol 04:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2977 04:31 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:33 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:42 @riker nethackscoreboard.org is me, most of the coedebae and the previous site at scoreboard.xd.cm is Mandevil's doing, but he retired from maintaining it 04:43 ah, just saw the message above that, probably ChrisANG got in trouble before with Manddvil lol 04:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu), 20632 points, T:7078, killed by a half-dragon mummy, while praying 04:51 congratulations on your 2 hour orc barbarian, aoei 04:53 yey thanks tinklebear 04:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2890 05:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:3445 05:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) was given the Singing Sword, on T:3584 05:08 -!- hisacro_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:13 -!- arahael1 has joined #hardfought 05:15 -!- Arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:17 -!- hisacro has joined #hardfought 05:35 infinigon: you said the rne calls were now transparent for the rng but I don't see that in the online commit. in unnethack I did this to handle that problem https://github.com/UnNetHack/UnNetHack/commit/3beb18c511 05:36 infinigon: but not that unnethack has a slightly different formula for rne than vanilla. but the same principle would apply 05:36 * aoei watches the set-seed discussions with interest 05:37 i don't expect a ready version on hdf in time for nethack superbowl 05:37 but it would be really cool 05:37 at some point 05:37 you can be guinea pigs 05:37 we can discuss that if there's a prototype ready 05:38 there is a prototype ready with a least a consistent dungeon layout :) 05:39 how ready are we talkin 05:39 it would be annoying if the game crashed during the superbowl 05:40 but i might be up for it if stenno is also cool with 05:42 the changes are not crash prone 05:42 the worst that would happen is a desync that would make certain features we expected to be the same not be the same 05:43 but that is very likely to be limited to per-level things 05:44 infinigon is going further than I would have gone but I don't know his scope in detail 05:45 out of curiosity, which variant is infinigon developing? new variant that I'm not aware of? 05:45 no Amy not a variant 05:46 infinigon is implementing set-seed in vanilla 05:46 for the nethack superbowl 05:46 oh, bummer 05:46 why bummer? 05:46 it'll make the race more even 05:46 would like to see new variants from which I can stealstealsteal stuff :P 05:47 also fair point bhaak changing rng isn't really a big crash risk, you're right 05:47 and altho i was slightly hesitant using an untested thing it'd actually be rather in teh spirit of this community to live race a trial feature 05:48 assuming lux and stenno are also cool with it 05:48 im in 06:04 steal setseed for slex 06:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:47351 06:14 she could have already stolen the setseed implementation of unnethack 06:17 why would I be interested in setseed, next someone wants me to make it so that not-always-guaranteed-to-spawn bosses should be guaranteed during junethack :P 06:18 tournament mode :-) 06:19 K2: I rethunk it and it's probably easier and more useful for the community to have a separate tournament binary with a separate entry on the dgl menu that becomes available to everybody when the speedrun starts. 06:19 -!- stenno has 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I'm already very opposed to dnethack letting you select those quests just because there is a tournament 06:22 if it's meant to be randomized, then by all means it should be randomized, always :P 06:24 randomize everything 06:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) was given Giantslayer, on T:11478 06:24 randomize monster names and stats :) 06:25 YANI: would actually be cool if you could deduce from the generated name of a shambling horror what attacks and resistances it has in your game. 06:26 heh, some of the shambling horrors do have randomized names in slex 06:28 they could e.g. be called èq+º₧═Iª⌐□h·Å!╟1w/({û╞2∙ 06:30 morning folks 06:30 infinigon: Message from spicycebolla at 2021-01-29 00:26 EST: fwiw, dcss retrofitted seeded gameplay over the last 2-3 years. it started out only seeding the initial floor, items, and monsters but now it covers pretty much everything. "advil" hangs out in ##crawl-dev if you want to chat with the person who put in almost all the work on it https://github.com/crawl/crawl/blob/master/crawl-ref/docs/develop/rng_guidelines.md 06:30 oh, sweet, thanks for the info spicycebolla 06:31 * infinigon catches up thru the rest of scrollback 06:33 congrats on your pb aoei! 06:34 thanks 06:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 godhands", on T:12499 06:37 bhaak: yeah, rne isn't transparent yet. it could be made so; wip. 06:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:14003 06:53 !tell luxidream video's rendered, private message me for a dl link 06:53 I'm on it, infinigon. 07:05 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 07:06 !PoM 07:06 APic: The moon is full for 2 more days. 07:08 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 3085 points, T:1603, killed by a kobold lady, while frozen by a monster's gaze 07:10 [hdf-au] [nh370] PeachMuffin (Val Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a wounded frost giant), on T:3091 07:13 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:17 [backscroll] bhaak yup 07:17 <@Joanna> @bhaak was just thinking a bit more about consequences re splats and scumming. I would imagine a series of seeds so that if one player splats seed 1 they start seed 2. If other player then also splats, both players are on the same seed again. Con scumming might be problematic tho 07:19 <@Joanna> Also does set seed make sense if players choose different roles? 07:23 !tell Beholder have a nice day 07:23 Beholder shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, amateurhour. 07:23 <@Joanna> So basically I'm thinking it makes most sense if we agree also on same race/role/align combo 07:24 <@Joanna> And no scumming for starting items or stats. Minetown ragequit is maybe okay 07:24 Joanna: if the list of seed is pre-determined, they can be checked for adequate con 07:24 so, that eliminates the problem with con scumming 07:25 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed the invisible Minion of Huhetotl, on T:16032 07:25 <@Joanna> Ah okay. Stenno didnt con scum last time tho 07:25 <@Joanna> So we'd have to both agree 07:27 <@Joanna> Also if the results are gonna be in hard fought xlogfiles it would be nice to flag the entries as setseed somehow 07:27 <@Joanna> To make it easier for NHS to cope 07:28 good point 07:29 in my wip patch i arbitrarily assigned setseed with flag 1<<3 (the next available flag in vanilla) 07:29 1<<0 is wizard mode, 1<<1 is discover mode, 1<<2 is bonesless 07:31 <@Joanna> That works. Custom arbitrary xlog fields are now automatically imported to the database 07:31 <@Joanna> As well 07:32 <@Joanna> Thrown in a misc json field of the table, incase i want to do something with them later lol 07:33 <@Joanna> Bit flags are kind of annoying for long term maintenance and variant/version cross-compat 07:33 <@Joanna> Also, with a custom field you can save the seed itself, too 07:34 <@Joanna> I think that's a better solution 07:34 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 07:35 do you force bonesless with setseed? 07:36 ooh, didn't think about that interaction. 07:36 infinigon: I beg you not to throw yet aother thing into flags 07:36 can it please be its own field like seed=N 07:36 ok, added to the TODO list :) 07:37 infinigon: unnethack has field "user_seed=1" for games that have been seeded. normal games are "user_seed=0" 07:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] BifphWombat (Val Hum Fem Law), 773 points, T:1342, killed by an uninjured rabid rat 07:37 @Joanna I think for the speedrun battle it would be benefitial if they play just one seed, even though knowledge of item identities and dungeon maps will be then transferred from game to game and such it wouldn't be a "normal" speedrun. 07:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] PeachMuffin (Val Hum Fem Neu), 11250 points, T:4458, killed by a wounded ice troll 07:38 @Joanna but for the people viewing it, this makes it more enjoyable and it even opens up new strategies 07:38 <@Joanna> Hang on. So if splat, you run it back on the same seed again? 07:38 it makes the games possibly shorter. aoei's splat was funny but then of course, the ascending game dragged on. 07:38 <@Joanna> I hadn't thought od that 07:39 <@Joanna> Also lol @aosdict yea that's what I said exactly. Add a seed field 07:39 would also be easier for the server admin. make a binary with a fixed seed and add that to the dgamelaunch menu when the speedrun battle starts. so also other players can then "run" against that game seed later. 07:40 also, we could find an interesting game layout beforehand. no orctown for example 07:41 huh, the idea of rerunning the same seed until someone wins isn't something i had considered 07:41 <@Joanna> Yeah true 07:41 it has very intriguing implications 07:41 <@Joanna> It does 07:41 <@Joanna> I'm on board I think 07:42 <@Joanna> Dorf valk 20con no orctown please 07:42 extra con, hold the orctown 07:46 !coffee 07:46 * Beholder_ tosses nabru a tumbler of Crown Royal whiskey, fermented by demogorgon at 78 degrees Celsius. 07:48 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "doot doodle a doot do"] 07:53 <@Joanna> @infinigon you have a github page for this yea? I'd like to play a test run when I get home 07:53 <@Joanna> Locla 07:53 <@Joanna> Obv 07:54 Joanna: https://gitlab.com/infinigon/nethack/-/tree/setseed 07:58 sounds like a rest api for planting trees 08:00 -!- Xjs has quit [*.net *.split] 08:00 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [*.net *.split] 08:01 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 08:01 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 08:03 -!- Dracunos has quit [*.net *.split] 08:03 -!- Dracunos has joined #hardfought 08:05 -!- ThaEwat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:12 <@Joanna> Thanks 🙂 08:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] BifphWombat (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 347 points, T:1541, killed by a slightly wounded dwarf 08:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:21002 08:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 yellow dragon scale mail", on T:50664 08:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:50666 08:40 <@luxidream> I don’t know how much I like running back the same seed 08:40 @luxidream: Message from infinigon at 2021-01-29 06:53 EST: video's rendered, private message me for a dl link 08:41 <@luxidream> If I were running that, I’d be tempted to take a free #quit after about 2 minutes for a full inventory ID 08:41 luxidream: well i think have a set series of seeds is also pretty fair if we either agree not to conscum or actually predetermine the seeds in some way as infinigon suggested 08:42 yeah that's true there are alot of potential hax with running back the same seed 08:42 <@luxidream> I think a set series of seeds is much better, yes 08:42 it's a bit broken 08:42 "strategies" 08:42 we don't call them hax in here 08:42 rofl 08:43 if one player splats a lot and the game seeds drift apart in that sense, well, git gud innit 08:43 stop splatting 08:44 tfw no brevishack races 08:44 @luxidream but how many items can you get within 2 minutes? even if you encounter a shop, if you don't have a blessed scroll of identify, it won't help you much 08:45 but yes, the players should take notes, if the item's appearances are not randomized 08:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:50867 08:45 <@luxidream> Under infinigon’s implementation the appearances are not randomized, it would be easy to identify them from dywypi 08:46 that can be changed. 08:46 agreed it works like that currently, because that's the "default" behavour 08:46 either don't allow them to be shown or randomize them. 08:46 oh, randomised appearances wouldn't actually help 08:47 players would start taking notes of where they found the item 08:47 but randomized items have slightly different effects. remember that some features are due to the appearance 08:48 so if a seed is set, overwrite the "disclose" option 08:49 <@luxidream> I’m fine with the randomized appearances being the same, I’m mostly arguing against running the same seed repeatedly 08:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:49 <@Joanna> It does seem odd to me, repeating it. But the id problem is at least solvable yeah 08:51 I'm arguing for the same seed for the player's and the viewer's sanity. 08:51 remember how stenno was treated by the rng :) 08:52 with a fixed seed, we would see players get faster after every splat as they learn more about the dungeon 08:52 yeah it has interesting consequences 08:52 i guess im just kinda back on the fence now, despite earlier stating i was "in" 08:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:20347 08:53 if you have a set series of seeds, would there be a time penalty for churning through them 08:53 series of seed scumming for wand of wishing :D 08:53 like, 5 minute delay after you end a game and move onto the next seed 08:54 aosdict: not sure that's necessary if we just disallow obvious startscumming 08:54 quitting at minetown costs you time 08:54 already 08:54 and startscumming doesn't make much sense unless we play wizard or something 08:54 except for conscumming for valk 08:54 and infinigon already suggested just pre-determining the seeds have decent con 08:55 it may work fine for just you vs stenno, but for a more general structure, you can't just say "obvious startscumming", you have to define it 08:55 t1 quit 08:55 <@malor> then t2 quit is ok? 08:55 or kick a wall to death 08:55 i knew you were gonna say that XD 08:55 how about this 08:55 or suicide to the first newt 08:55 there's a five minute penalty if you quit before five minutes 08:55 <@malor> I have "t3 quit" in the buffer in you want it 🙂 08:55 <@luxidream> I would have some number of seeds 08:55 <@luxidream> 10 08:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4905 08:55 10 min 08:55 sure 08:55 <@malor> the 5 min penalty between ANY game would handle it well. 08:55 or 10 seeds 08:55 <@malor> or 10. 08:55 <@luxidream> You only get that many attempts 08:56 <{Demo}> I wanna see nethack bingo races 08:56 <@malor> which could be assessed only if the game is less than that amount of time. 08:56 -!- bezaban has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:56 malor i think it doesnt make sense to penalise you if your game already cost you more than the 5 or 10 min 08:56 time penalties are boring for the viewers. nothing happens :) 08:56 or i should restate that actrually 08:56 <@luxidream> generally the quickest strategy is to try and win every game 08:56 right 08:56 hence why they're proposing only penalizing if the game is under 5 or 10 minutes 08:57 aosdict: that's waht i proposed though 08:57 <@luxidream> Which is why scumming only occurs for constitution 08:57 and then malor said 5 min penalty between *any* game would handle it well 08:57 which soudned like penalty of 5 min regardless of tiem 08:57 anyway, what i meant was, if your game is two mins in, you get a 3 min penalty 08:57 so that there's a minimum time cost for a given game 08:57 if you have a fixed pool of 10 seeds and you only get those 10 games, then you don't even need to guarantee any of them get 20 con 08:58 aosdict: yeah i guess 08:58 oh 13 con valk? do you really wanna burn one of your 10 games on not playing it? 08:58 a few will have twenty, but if a player chooses not to cscum for con they will be out of sync 08:58 i'll burn a 13 con valk sure 08:58 i can ascend the first 20 con game dont worry 08:58 the games will desync the minute either of you dies 08:58 <@malor> yeah, I was saying if your game is AT LEAST 5 min then no penalty. 08:58 <@malor> under 5 min, then penalty. 08:59 <@malor> I may have mis-worded my original 🙂 08:59 ahh okay malor, so we're sayifng the same thing essentially lol 08:59 <@malor> yep. 08:59 <@malor> which I think is a good anti-scumming rule. Because whatever other rules you use it is easy to get around by intentionally dying. 08:59 <@luxidream> I can handpick seeds that are playable 08:59 <@malor> and if it is "turn 2000" you can just run to a safe-ish place and type 2000. 08:59 <@luxidream> And ban scumming under a certain number of minutes 09:00 <@malor> "2000." in game I mean. I.e. wait 2k turns. 09:00 the options are a) you play the same seed repeatedly, in which case dying early for ids is a valid strategy, or b) you play different seeds and most of the contest time probably consists of games in different dungeons anyway 09:00 <@malor> oh wow aosdict you just gave me a cool idea. 09:00 <@malor> Set up a game where the seed IS THE SAME for both players. 09:00 <@malor> can that be done? 09:00 <@malor> if so, that's a TRUE race. 09:00 <@luxidream> The point is to prevent a stenno where 1 player gets 3x orctown 09:01 <@luxidream> I think option B does that 09:01 <@malor> that's what they do in Bridge tournaments, they pre-sort the decks so you play the same deck as opponents would. 09:01 @malor isn't that... the whole point of having a seeded run competition? 09:01 just be lucky 4head 09:01 it doesn't seem fair to say aoei gets this set of seeds, and stenno gets this other set of different seeds 09:01 <@malor> I may have just stated what you were already saying :). So, yeah 🙂 09:02 stenno you hear that? you're now nethack gaming term! 09:02 so they'd be playing the same seeds 09:02 <@malor> yes, cool, that would be very interesting. 09:02 hey wouldnt it be cool if orctown was deleted 09:02 <@malor> What would be fun is to have a terminal with each of their games visible at the same time. Seeing how they mirror each other and also how they don't would be very interesting. 09:02 <@luxidream> They get the same series of seeds aosdict 09:03 <@luxidream> They just might be at different points on that series 09:04 <@Joanna> Right 09:04 <@Joanna> I think series works honestly 09:04 <@Joanna> Tho repeating the same one might be funny for viewers 09:05 <@malor> set both games to this seed: https://s3.amazonaws.com/altorg/dumplog/SWAGGINZZZ/1546732576.nh361.txt 09:05 <@luxidream> but I really dislike the idea of playing a single seed again because it takes away from the legitimacy of the game 09:06 it's more of a race though. but yes, not a legitimate speedrun (after the first game) 09:06 <@luxidream> if you died at any point during the run, the time is not real 09:06 <@malor> can't you just select 100 seeds and have them go through the 100 in order? 09:06 <@malor> that could also eliminate scumming if you only had something like 200 seeds total. Once you finish your 200 (max games) then you are done. 09:06 <@Joanna> Yeah lux that's a very good point 09:07 <@luxidream> that's what I suggested, I would pick ten seeds that I think are good before the race 09:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Oona, on T:20830 09:07 <@luxidream> based on starting stats 09:07 <@luxidream> you play those, no scumming 09:07 <@Joanna> Yeah im happy with that 09:07 <@Joanna> Maybe 20 would be nice... But i should not really splat 10 times on decent seeds I guess 09:08 <@Joanna> I'd hopefully ascend within 3-5 games 09:08 how many deaths did we have last time? 09:08 <@Joanna> Or the first one 😅 09:08 <@Joanna> I don't recall honestly 09:08 <@Joanna> I had a few, not loads though 09:09 <@Joanna> Probably under 10 in total 09:09 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 09:09 <@Joanna> infinigon wasn't it you drinking shots for splats 09:09 <@Joanna> Do you remember how many shots you drank 09:10 and what was your reaction when stenno's box exploded 09:10 PogChamp 09:10 LUL 09:10 <{Demo}> i was sad 09:10 <{Demo}> because stenno kept getting fucking slapped 09:10 <{Demo}> and barely coming back 09:10 <{Demo}> and it was like, jesus, not again 09:11 <{Demo}> my thought was "what was the range on that" 09:11 i think around 6 shots but i wasn't super rigorous about it 09:11 <{Demo}> like, how much dmg range does chest blast even do? 09:11 I think stenno had more then 10 09:11 i definitely discounted short games, and i might have missed some deaths too 09:11 hmm, even seeded runs can't prevent the case where aoei and stenno both find a box on dlvl1, open it, and one dies 09:12 <{Demo}> i had to stop watching when shit reset 09:12 just untrap 09:12 <{Demo}> when stenno and aoei were both back exactly where we started 3 hrs before 09:12 <{Demo}> cause i had to like eat and do stuff i think? idk 09:12 <{Demo}> my head hurt 09:12 aosdict: so for wishing sources i was going to put them on a separate RNG source 09:12 <@Joanna> Lol fair 09:12 <{Demo}> i can't watch livestreams. need to be able to pause for a few minutes every now and then and wander around and talk to myself 09:12 -!- ThaEwat has joined #hardfought 09:12 deadly poison definitely wants to be its own RNG source 09:13 deadly poison definitely wants to be deleted 09:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Yeenoghu, on T:56297 09:13 that's my reason for the same seed repeatedly. the splat was fun but then again start at the beginning takes a lot of time. with pre knowledge, the players could rush faster through games 09:13 maybe traps also? but it starts to get quite hard to keep thoes consistent 09:13 <{Demo}> seeded runs sub 50 sounds easy 09:13 <{Demo}> once you learn it 09:13 <{Demo}> if its a good seed 09:13 32 seconds on nht's unnethack run IIRC 09:14 but it took more than a few hours of preparation 09:14 <@Joanna> Can we have a recap on what you've solved to be consistent infinigon 09:14 <{Demo}> my favorite un run was when i found 7 wishes worth of fountains on one level 09:14 <@Joanna> Bhaak isn't that one also tas? 09:14 <{Demo}> my least favorite un run was when fountain wishes are worthless 09:14 <@Joanna> There was one just prep with a good seed but i thought that one took a lil more realtime 09:14 Joanna: just dungeon layout. i'm still working on the meta-code to make other things consistent without literally fixing every single rn2 call everywhere 09:14 @Joanna no, it was just a simple script. unless you count that as a tool. 09:15 it's a bit of an experiment, if it doesn't work, i'll resort to smashing every single rn2 but i'd rather avoid it if possible :/ 09:15 <@Joanna> I do count a script as a tool yes 09:15 <@Joanna> Esp if it ran the entire game 09:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) became the Champion of Camaxtli, on T:21128 09:19 infinigon: having a separate rng for deadly poison and other things seems so weird. like what are you trying to ensure? in this particular dungeon, the fifth thing that poisons you will always be lethal? 09:19 that's what i was going for 09:19 I think in general seed behavior should be restricted to the initial layout of the dungeon as it's generated, and not affect anything after that 09:20 <@Joanna> Yeah maybe don't over engineer it. Same dungeon layout and same floor items is already a great improvement on just normal games 09:20 <@Joanna> I'm with aosdict 09:20 <@Joanna> Keep it simple 09:20 hmm, you're right 09:20 @Joanna and same initial monsters 09:20 and traps, etc 09:21 I'm in agreement 09:21 initial monsters should still be xl dependent? 09:21 but it's ok if stenno and aoei both generate the same mines level with a dart trap, trigger it, and take different damage 09:21 luxidream: that's a rather annoying thing isn't it 09:22 I've believed for a long time that monster difficulty should only depend on the level they appear on, but that's out of scope here 09:23 <@Joanna> Ah yeah that's tricky but we'll have to accept it for now 09:23 I don't know how I feel about that 09:23 <@Joanna> Also im with lux on repeated seeds resulting in illigitimate runs, and I don't want that 09:23 I've never thought of it as anything that demanded change 09:24 some players like to limit their XL to encounter easier monsters, but this is usually a poor strategy 09:25 <@FIQ> bhaak: that's cool, I thought un was eol 09:26 that doesn't make flavor sense to me luxidream. if a level 1 tourist walks into DL20, are the denizens gonna say "oh this guy is a greenhorn, we better be nice to them and send in our weaker friends" 09:27 <{Demo}> someone fix brevishack monster difficulty issues. open to PRs 09:28 I don't know, I think it's more interesting when DL 1 doesn't generate newts and foxes forever 09:28 you can't fix perfection Demo 09:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 quicksilver", on T:21346 09:29 also I would have to remember a different set of difficulty tables if that were changed, but that's beside the point :sweat_smile: 09:29 aosdict: OTOH perhaps when a level 20 valk walks into DL10 the denizens do indeed pull out all the stops 09:29 luxidream: I remember knowing exactly when killer bees might turn up 09:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:21347 09:29 diff 3 right? 09:30 oh 5 09:30 clearly I need to do a better job at that too 09:30 I know soldier ants are 6 09:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "blessed spellbook of finger of death", on T:56528 09:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:8927 09:44 -!- talkingleaf_ has joined #hardfought 09:45 <@Joanna> Jeez. Do I need to also memorise a bunch of crap to eventually beat you lux? 09:45 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:45 -!- talkingleaf_ is now known as talkingleaf 09:45 https://i1.wp.com/media.boingboing.net/wp-content/uploads/2016/11/bcf.png 09:46 <@Joanna> Lol what meme is that 09:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:22812 09:46 I've seen it referred to as 'Math Lady' 09:47 <@Joanna> Lol 09:47 <@Joanna> Mm i ate tasty noodles 09:48 it doesn't matter for speedruns 09:48 something to keep in mind for normal runs though, where trolls, mumakil, soldier ants etc start appearing 09:48 <@Joanna> My last noodles D: fortunately a fiend and I shall hit up the asian market tomorrow :> 09:49 <@Joanna> Yeah I guess. Some things you do want ingrained in memory for speedrunning so you don't have to look shit up mid run 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9521 09:49 <{Demo}> damn wow its below freezing all day today, not cool 09:49 <@Joanna> Same over here demo we even have snow check it out 09:50 <{Demo}> it surprise snowed the other night 09:50 <{Demo}> woke up yesterday to a little more than a dusting 09:50 snow coming on monday. looking forward to it 09:50 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/804725119250989086/signal-2021-01-29-143938.jpg 09:50 <{Demo}> second snow of the year 09:50 <{Demo}> still haven't even got an inch this year 09:50 <{Demo}> personally unhappy 09:50 <@Joanna> It's not very thick but its still accumulating on the ground 09:51 <@Joanna> 😮 09:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:53 <{Demo}> the snow melted off my car by the evening last night, still some on the ground some places 09:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) wished for "magic chest", on T:23129 09:53 it's supposed to go up to 14c today where I live 09:53 maybe I'll go outside for once :o 09:54 <{Demo}> i want it to be warm 09:54 luxi you need to get out of oklahoma :P 09:54 <{Demo}> grill some weenies idk 09:54 after I finish college 09:54 I don't like oklahoma either D: 09:55 <@Joanna> What's wrong with Oklahoma? Genuine question like I know nothing about the place 09:55 it's boring 09:55 <{Demo}> k2 is from there i think 09:55 <@Joanna> Haha. Ok 09:55 <{Demo}> that's what's wrong with it 09:55 <@Joanna> Lmao 09:55 <{Demo}> it was so bad he had to leave cause he ruined it 09:55 <@Joanna> LOL 09:55 where do you want to live? 09:55 <@Joanna> K2 ruined a state smh my head 09:56 <@Joanna> Luxidream forget the US, EU is where it's at 09:56 all I know about oklahoma: https://youtu.be/ZbrnXl2gO_k?t=51 09:56 <@Joanna> Loads of great options like DE, SE, CH, AT 09:56 <{Demo}> how much is a gas station hot dog in most eu countries? 09:56 they force you to sing that in grade school 09:57 <@Joanna> I have no idea 09:57 it's a decent musical 09:57 <{Demo}> also if im in the most expensive cities in the eu, how much is a gas station hot dog in most eu countries 09:57 <@Joanna> Lol are you shitting me lux 09:57 <@Joanna> Demo gas station hot dogs don't exist in Hamburg 09:57 <@Joanna> But Denmark has them 09:57 <{Demo}> can't live there, no good 09:57 <@Joanna> I don't remember price unfortunately 09:57 can get them in the uk for a quid 09:57 wherever meteorology grad school ends up taking me I'll go 09:58 have another year to decide that 09:58 <@Joanna> I think you'll find he asked about EU countries amateurhour 09:58 <{Demo}> i was up in DC exactly a year ago for schmoocon and unfortunately i got fucked on the hotel and my work was covering food in such a way i could kind of make getting fucked on the hotel back up if i spent like no money on food 09:58 oklahoma is great if you have a terminal illness and dont want to die, because every day there feels like an eternity 09:58 <{Demo}> so i was walking like a mile and back a meal to go to the shittiest cheapest places 09:58 <@Joanna> Lux are you looking at grad schools abroad or just us? 09:58 <{Demo}> and eat the shittiest cheapest gas station food 09:58 <@Joanna> I moved to Germany for PhD 09:58 K2: maybe it is not me distorting time, it is oklahoma 09:59 <@Joanna> Hahhahaa 09:59 lux oklahoma is one of the best places to be for meteorology 09:59 don't say that, you're crushing his hopes and dreams 09:59 isnt OU like THE uni to go to? 09:59 yea their grad school does radar stuff though 09:59 and I hate radar 09:59 <@Joanna> Also staying at the same place for PhD as your undergraduate is lame and boring 09:59 <{Demo}> i hate when it doesnt snow for shit here and its just cold and shitty 09:59 so I'm probably going to go somewhere else 09:59 <@Joanna> My opinion 09:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:23244 10:00 yea no one does that aoei 10:00 <{Demo}> luxi, use ur meteorology to send me some snow 10:00 where else is there? 10:00 <@Joanna> @luxidream few people at my old uni did 10:00 <@Joanna> I didn't wanna 10:01 <@Joanna> Reading where I did my undergraduate is actually supposed to have a pretty stonk dept for meteorology graduate research 10:01 <@Joanna> But then that's in South England 10:01 <{Demo}> go research a cloud lmao 10:01 <@Joanna> Which is possibly an issue 10:01 I think it depends on what you want to study K2 10:01 you said meteorology 10:01 <{Demo}> "damn that one looks like a gas station hot dog rolling machine" 10:01 <{Demo}> pretty sure that's what meteorology phd is 10:01 where else is there besides oklahoma that's good for that 10:01 <@Joanna> Lux maybe look at reading anyhow incase there are professors who do things you think are interesting 10:02 will your nethack credits transfer? 10:02 well if I wanted to study tropical, I'm not staying in ok lol 10:02 which I'm thinking about 10:02 I guess tornadoes aren't your thing either 10:02 <@Joanna> Oh neat 10:02 <{Demo}> go chase tornados with computers 10:02 <{Demo}> that sounds cool 10:02 no that's too mainstream and popular 10:03 omg you're a meterology hipster 10:03 <{Demo}> military grade drone tornado chasing 10:03 <@Joanna> Hahahahaaa 10:03 'military grade drone' hahahahahah 10:03 <{Demo}> if the tornado starts causing trouble, start shooting it 10:03 <@Joanna> Lux you should go to like Colombia or some shit 10:03 they were doing a transfer program with reading during third year actually, I didn't do it 10:03 maybe I should have 10:03 <@Joanna> Oh huh 10:04 <@Joanna> I knew some people from meteorology dept back then, they did this bonkers pot luck and pantomime every year and then got really drunk it was great. My buddy mark was in the play 10:04 <@Joanna> Dude works for nasa now 10:05 {Demo}: if there's a big hurricane coming, nuke it or something -- the president of the united states 10:05 <@Joanna> The PhD students put on the play i mean 10:05 <{Demo}> yeah thats the concept 10:06 <@Joanna> I think it was lion witch and wardrobe but with dorky meteorology jokes and shit 10:06 from the people who went I heard the classes there are actually really chill and well taught compared to back in the states 10:06 compared to me learning dynamics back at home with no idea wtf is going on 10:06 <@Joanna> Huh no kidding. I mean I wasn't a meteorology student but my courses were quite good 10:06 <@Joanna> Especially if the lecturer was good 10:07 <{Demo}> at least i feel like most ppl doing meteorology are probably actually interested in it 10:07 <@Joanna> In general I think Reading is considered upper mid-range as a UK uni 10:07 <{Demo}> but idk 10:07 <@Joanna> Not crazy fancy like Cambridge and shit, but decent 10:08 <{Demo}> its not one of those "im doing it because its what you're supposed to do" fields 10:08 most people are really into it demo 10:08 <@Joanna> Right 10:08 more into it than me 10:08 <{Demo}> yeah i have a guy in my discord DMs 10:08 <@Joanna> My friend mark who was doing his PhD there seemed pretty into it 10:08 <{Demo}> that regularly keeps me apprised of snow chance in my area 10:08 <{Demo}> lol 10:08 <@Joanna> He was also a really fun guy at parties 10:08 <{Demo}> and he's a meteorology student in like new jersey or something 10:09 <@Joanna> And brought me bananas when i had really bad fever and tonsillitis and could barely eat 10:09 <@Joanna> Good guy 10:09 lol yeah I don't keep up with that stuff, you can look up model output if you really want to know 10:09 <@Joanna> Lol demo 10:10 <{Demo}> there's definitely something pure about how into it you'd have to be do to meteorology 10:10 we can play with fixed seed 10:10 <{Demo}> play nh4 lol 10:10 <{Demo}> with fixed seed 10:10 no then autoexplore makes it boring 10:10 I'm a simple guy, I go to a website and see 1.5 inches for sunday night and 8 inches for monday and I'm happy 10:11 i don't think the runs were unfair btw 10:11 <{Demo}> i want at least 6 inches of snow in a day this winter but it isn't gonna happen this year 10:11 <{Demo}> usually we get like, 1 big snow like that a year 10:11 <{Demo}> but not in the last couple years now 10:12 supposed to be sunny here through monday 10:12 high is like 4° F 10:12 all the snow goes south boo 10:12 i mean we have snow but booooo 10:12 want more... MOAR 10:13 can't remember the last time I saw six inches 10:13 * Pinkbeast splutters with suppressed innuendo 10:13 lol omg 10:13 <{Demo}> i almost walked into the same trap 10:13 <{Demo}> but i remebered to specify of snow 10:14 luxidream just use one of those magnifying mirrors, good to go 10:14 :( 10:14 :P 10:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1208 10:17 <@Joanna> LOL 10:17 <@Joanna> That is all 10:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Father Dagon, on T:23933 10:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:23948 10:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] etai (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Excursionist, on T:4184 10:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed spellbook of detect treasure", on T:24011 10:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] etai (Val Hum Fem Neu), 8187 points, T:4608, killed by a heavily wounded gnome queen, while fainted from lack of food 10:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Hmnyw-Pharaoh, on T:24045 10:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide boots of flying", on T:24122 10:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:1938 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 538 points, T:2040, killed by a wounded gnome 10:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:24381 11:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6427 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 61 points, T:204, killed by an uninjured jackal 11:05 -!- bort13 has joined #hardfought 11:07 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 126 points, T:213, killed by a goblin 11:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:24886 11:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:24898 11:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:24900 11:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:24910 11:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:24962 11:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Garland, on T:24972 11:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:24976 11:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) genocided mind flayers, on T:24058 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2240 11:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha), 51267 points, T:9264, killed by a skeletal pirate 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3042 points, T:2376, killed by an uninjured gnome king, while sleeping 11:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:25139 11:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25210 11:35 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 11:35 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2220 11:35 YANI: new monster, dentists, who can permanently drain wisdom with an attack (removing your wisdom teeth) 11:36 lol 11:36 hah 11:41 aoei how do I get the flag next to my name on speedrun.com 11:41 luxidream: idk probably you gotta choose country in your profile or something 11:41 maybe me and tommo did and you didn't 11:41 that's just myguess 11:42 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3499 11:42 hey stenno did i mention i beat your pb :V 11:42 <{Demo}> i wonder if the russians cheat in speedruns like they do the olympics 11:42 <{Demo}> probably not 11:42 of course we cheat {Demo} 11:43 says hte not really russian person 11:43 my mum is from russia so that's my tangential claim to russianness 11:43 brb 11:43 luxidream: I'm afraid your recent WR must be rejected as you didn't submit for a drug test 11:43 <{Demo}> idk i just know they got banned from it a bunch or something 11:43 yeah lol 11:44 good thing I make the rules 11:44 <{Demo}> not saying i wouldn't consider it 11:44 <{Demo}> id juice some lifters too caues it would be funny 11:44 i mean i ascended twice during tnnt on drugs ngl 11:44 lol 11:44 <{Demo}> wow, dqd 11:44 dqd? 11:45 what's that 11:45 <{Demo}> disqualified 11:45 lol 11:45 dairy queened 11:45 fwiw i did not use drugs except caffeine and co2 and sugar during stenno race 11:45 <{Demo}> u ate the tea leaves 11:45 <{Demo}> i know it 11:45 lol! 11:45 i also intend the superbowl to be clean 11:46 <{Demo}> its stupid the superbowl is a sunday 11:46 <{Demo}> it should be a saturday 11:47 lol "why can't trump enter the white house anymore" 11:47 "because it's forbiden" 11:49 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 5622 points, T:4426, slaughtered by a Green-elf 11:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:25903 11:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) wished for "upgrade kit", on T:25991 11:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:25220 11:58 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ast Alb Mal Law), 12372 points, T:28, killed by a monster (hobbit chef) 11:59 -!- arahael1 is now known as Arahael 12:00 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:44211 12:01 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Ast Bor Mal Law), 11757 points, T:143, quit 12:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5496 12:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha), 24799 points, T:5596, killed by a winged kobold 12:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) killed the invisible Avatar of Lolth, on T:26517 12:15 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2255 12:15 A bit slow there, behodler. 12:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha), 2895 points, T:2257, killed by a dagger 12:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler, on T:33141 12:24 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2787 points, T:3174, killed by a heavily wounded soldier ant 12:25 Still not used to poison instadeaths. How does one avoid them before resistance? 12:25 <{Demo}> MC 12:25 <{Demo}> dwarvish cloak is MC1, pick one up asap 12:26 <{Demo}> try to get like elven cloak or something idk 12:26 <{Demo}> assuming 3.6 doesnt take mc3 from elve 12:26 Hmm, so if I see an ant, immediately get out of my CoMR, adn into MC? 12:26 it's mc1 12:26 <{Demo}> oh for wizard 12:26 <{Demo}> i think comr is mc1? 12:26 yeah 12:26 <{Demo}> idk it used to be mc3 12:26 So I already start with MC, then, I guess. 12:27 only cloak of protection is mc3 12:28 I only got one shot at that ant, it was too close. Zapped force bolt at it. 12:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed Belial, on T:27362 12:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed the invisible Naome, on T:27368 12:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed Fierna, on T:27384 12:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:27525 12:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed the creature in the ice, on T:27620 12:44 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 622 points, T:3214, killed by an acidic corpse 12:45 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed Levistus, on T:27636 12:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed Pale Night, on T:27698 12:55 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2194 12:56 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 12:57 aosdict: the edit size coloring is very hard to read in darkvector, and is the tab bar for preferences is still dark on light. The preset text in various text fields (such as "Search NetHackWiki" in the search bar) is also hard to read 12:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed Glasya, on T:27792 12:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1840 13:02 FIQ: please use the sitewide darkvector.css talk page 13:02 I'm not going to mess with styles while it's light outside and I can't judge how good dark mode looks 13:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:27991 13:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:28026 13:05 aosdict: If you were a real hacker, you'd have set up a permanently dark room, and scream whenever the parents walk in and let the light on. ;) 13:06 Though, oddly enough, it was only with those old dark CRT's that was good with. 13:06 But whatever supports the stereotype ;) 13:08 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Mon Inf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3499 13:09 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Mon Inf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3513 13:09 I've always used B on W, and I've still _got_ CRTs 13:12 I've always preferred dark backgrounds, but also still have CRTs. 13:12 Though I'm no longer an _exclusive_ CRT user, mainly because it's impossible to buy decent ones these days. 13:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:13 I have a reasonable stock of spares, given people will give you them for free if you do the heavy lifting :-) 13:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:28485 13:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:28616 13:17 I have a spare one in my office at work, which I will break out if the one I'm currently using there dies. 13:18 More than one coworker has suggested it be recycled; I have been clear about rejecting that notion. 13:18 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Mon Inf Fem Cha), 4820 points, T:3843, overpowered by a djinni 13:18 I miss having one at work, no matter how hard it rained I'd always have nice warm dry gloves for the ride home 13:20 That is not really my reason for preferring them. 13:20 It's not the _only_ one but there was much to be said for it 13:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:28724 13:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Camaxtli, on T:28740 13:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:28754 13:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3863 13:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Cha), 6796534 points, T:28785, ascended 13:23 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1611913469.dnh.txt 13:24 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 476 points, T:1810, killed by a giant spider 13:25 gratz microlance 13:27 hope that counts as neutral 13:28 I think the scoreboard uses align0 13:28 on the speedrun leaderboards it shows align, but it might be special-cased for firstasc 13:28 you will soon find out i suppose 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:47614 13:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:66417 13:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4490 13:34 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 6665 points, T:4387, killed by a silver dart 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1451 13:37 anyone know what a shield of resonance does in splicehack? I can't find anything on the wiki. 13:38 <{Demo}> if i had to guess id say it would give sonic resistance 13:38 <{Demo}> but i have no idea 13:39 heh 13:39 yea i have no clue either lol 13:39 demo is right 13:39 -!- NAOrsa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:39 ah neat 13:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2470 points, T:4704, killed by a wounded watch captain 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:11186 13:44 oh, okay. thanks. I evenchecked GitHub, but couldn't find anything there, either. 13:45 <{Demo}> SONIC_RES https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/blob/Master/src/objects.c#L581 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3652 13:46 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2132 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3744 13:48 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 13:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed etai's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:2538 13:52 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3018 13:54 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3225 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3927 13:54 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a yellow mold corpse on an altar of Set, on T:3230 13:54 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2858 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:12096 13:55 Damn. Early game wand of wishing. 13:55 hah ano way 13:55 what's with all thte wows lately 13:55 first lux, then me 13:55 then Arahael gets one 13:55 variance in stats is fun :D 13:55 Wasn't thinking, I didn't get charging, went straight for SDSM. It was from bones, too. 13:55 Fairly sure it was etai's wand. 13:55 oh bones doesn't count 13:55 nvm 13:56 I need to identify it somehow. 13:56 [hdf-us] [un] Hatamaru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1570 points, T:4025, died of starvation 13:56 glord found a random wand too when you were playing aoei 13:56 good thing it didn't explode lol 13:56 must be the full moon 13:56 luxidream: lmao now way 13:56 no way* 13:56 :O full moon influences rl luck too?? 13:56 amazing 13:56 i also found 2 random wows on local 13:56 sweet 13:57 while screwing around with the tileset 13:57 I threw one ascended the other 13:57 !rng play nethack to get another wow | read javascript book 13:57 aoei: play nethack to get another wow 13:57 screw you Beholder, I want to get educated 13:57 <{Demo}> wish for knowledge 13:57 * Umbire contemplates starting a game to see if he gets one 13:58 lmao 13:58 gamblers fallacy innit 13:58 hot streak :) 13:58 * Umbire forgot he already had a game in progress 13:58 NotLikeThis 13:59 maybe you get the wow in your current game! 13:59 !whereis Umbire 13:59 Beholder: Message from amateurhour at 2021-01-29 07:23 EST: have a nice day 13:59 luxidream: Umbire is not playing. 13:59 what 13:59 hahaa 13:59 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 13:59 a-hour messing with the !tell stuff 13:59 im gonna put physical distance between myself and irc now so that i actaully read 13:59 No I literally saved again the moment I realized I had a game in progress 14:00 enjoy yer readin' 14:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3081 14:00 o hi 14:00 ay tommo! 14:00 i got a new pb :3 14:00 I'd rather make some EvilHack prog anyway 14:00 with floor wow but still 14:00 nice! 14:00 * Umbire throws a pancake at tommo 14:00 hihi 14:00 2h 8 mins 14:00 aoei: What's a pb? 14:00 personal best 14:00 ooooo 14:00 in this context pb in realtime 14:00 Ah, Personal best! Great stuff. 14:00 wallclock it was like 2h 10min or something 14:00 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Set, on T:4005 14:01 i saved once when i almost died with a wow 14:01 relatively soon after finding it lol 14:01 excitinggg 14:01 go do ur read tho! 14:02 of course, I can't use my shield  if resonance now...... 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12691 14:03 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:3410 14:04 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 14:04  /quit 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 466424 points, T:21467, shot herself with a death ray (with the Amulet) 14:04 <{Demo}> :( 14:04 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 14:04 :( 14:05 new game :p 14:06 did you just quit cuz you wanna focus on wallclock? 14:06 <{Demo}> or was it a menu cancellation deal? 14:06 ye, it wasn't winning any awards 14:06 but also i think the run was dead 14:06 (i will do my reading but decided to do it on laptop because my neck hurts in loungey chair with ipad thingy approximating an ereader) 14:06 i accidentally hopped to the planes without the orb 14:06 How dead we talkin'? 14:07 oof 14:07 Oh 14:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 14:07 Yeah that's a decent enough reason 14:07 What was your AC? 14:07 (see what i did there ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ) 14:07 idk 14:07 don't worry 2 much :P 14:07 it's done now lol 14:07 it wasn't even a damage thing. i didn't have a means of finding portals 14:08 ahhh 14:08 yeah that sucks 14:08 it woulda been so annoying to play out 14:08 not only annoying but potentially deadly 14:08 fire can get really bad 14:08 ^ 14:08 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:08 if you don't have detection 14:08 because of the archons 14:08 the lack of half damage intrinsics would've killed you for sure 14:08 which is why I asked 14:08 i disagree Umbire 14:08 if your AC is very bad then yes probably 14:08 well depending on AC anyway 14:09 which 14:09 is 14:09 but even with poor AC 14:09 why I asked! 14:09 you can sometimes manage 14:09 just by teleporting stuff 14:09 sometimes ye 14:09 yea i just mean i think the more immediate problem would be fire plane 14:09 and archons 14:09 and summons 14:09 AC and half damage is more important when you reach astral 14:09 Yeah 14:10 -!- NAOrsa has joined #hardfought 14:10 hi 14:10 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 14:11 Umbire: if you want i can show you a game that went really wrong on fire plane because of no portal detection 14:11 I mean I believe you 14:11 but I'm also nosy 14:11 so yes pls :3 14:12 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 5419 points, T:4271, taken down by a martial artist, while praying 14:12 300 wand?? 14:12 [hdf-us] [slex] Leeroy (Jed Woo Mal Cha), 8172 points, T:3074, killed by a monster (zog) 14:12 gonna need a while to double-check for tty players though 14:13 in a meeting so 14:13 ...death :P 14:13 idk valk can win with ac 0 or worse 14:13 it doesn't come up much because dsm gives 9 ac already 14:15 oh lost the orb 14:15 yeah, no half-damage but more pressingly no portal detection 14:15 that's an F waiting to happen 14:15 you can use the amulet to find the portal on fire and air okay 14:15 amateurhour: do you know a good ebook reader app for linux? i guess maybe calibre, that's what i used before 14:15 water you can just chill for a while 14:15 oh yeah, the hot-cold thing 14:15 earth is most annoying :( 14:16 oh yeah i tried to use the amulet but i did it wrong lmao 14:16 i kept invoking it which does nothing 14:16 you can map earth I suppose, but digging is annoying 14:16 you have to wield it or maybe wear it? 14:16 wield or wear yea 14:16 I think you have to wear it 14:16 right 14:16 wielding is better because you don't take off life saving 14:16 Umbire: yea the dumplog i sent you i think i didn't realise this and went around trying to invoke it lol 14:17 got archon stormed eventually 14:17 though I have charged into astral smashing people with my amulet of yendor 14:17 ded 14:17 luxidream: lmao 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1307 14:17 YASI: Using the Amulet of Yendor as a weapon trains the flail skill. 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3839 14:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed the invisible Dantrag, on T:67887 14:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:46952 14:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3882 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:1783 14:23 tommo: 14 con :( 14:23 Feelsbad 14:26 o god 14:28 thats some crappy con 14:28 hp per level: <=14 is +0, 15-16 is +1, 17 is +2, 18 is +3, >=19 is +4 14:28 idk of one aoei, I haven't used ebooks for ages honestly 14:28 amateurhour: i could probalby also download it as pdf tbf 14:29 <{Demo}> ebook into text2speech 14:29 last time I used one was calibre, but that was when the maker went on a weird rant about python 2 vs python 3 14:29 or install calibre 14:29 calibre is mostly fine 14:29 and said they would maintain a fork of python 2 themselves 14:29 though I just looked it up and it appears to be using python 3 now so there may have been some backpedalling lol 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3252 14:29 ahahaha 14:29 fantastic 14:30 anyway fuck reading edifying js books, im calculating expected marker usage for tc runs 14:30 but i trust nothing the wiki says 14:30 so i better source dive some of this shit to double check 14:30 idk it depends on too many factors 14:30 like the number of death charges you use 14:31 your max pw 14:31 i still want some average and worst case rough ideas 14:31 mostly im focusing on books you need atm 14:31 and assuming you find no good ones on the ground 14:31 whatchu doin 14:31 and then ill have a rough shot at charging scrolls used based on mapping a lot of floors 14:31 I think the ink values are correct 14:31 with magic mapping 14:32 i agree with you there, but i want to double check failure rates for writing with x amount of luck 14:32 ah, look at rnl 14:32 the fact that it's discontinuous (according to the wiki) looks odd to me 14:32 ok, i'll look at rnl and also how it's called from write.c 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4266 14:32 i double checked the prayer timeout values 14:32 on the wiki 14:32 they are actually correct 14:33 ok cool 14:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28611 14:33 so I wouldn't be surprised if rnl is also correct 14:33 <{Demo}> the l is for lose cause with rnl, you always lose 14:33 random number loser 14:34 <{Demo}> for rnz the b is for balanced 14:34 ok it's rolling rnl(5) for wiz, rnl(15) for everyone else 14:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) became the Shepherd of the Black Web, on T:68721 14:36 ah okay there is a reason it's discontinuous 14:36 it's because the code for rnl is really bonkers 14:37 <{Demo}> if you think rnl code is bonkers, visit rnZ 14:37 <{Demo}> z caps cause my shift key is too large 14:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scroll of charging", on T:4902 14:37 im not sure i can handle that right now 14:37 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werebear, on T:7114 14:37 rnl is already tilting me 14:38 "too large" lol 14:39 why does rnz exist 14:39 why couldn't prayer timeout just be a nice clean range 14:40 a time traveller created rnz for the sole purpose of slex 14:41 well that guy didn't save the future >:( 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:2949 14:42 I can't believe Amy was the elder brain all along 14:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5248 14:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "the blessed master key of thievery", on T:4906 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed Dispater, on T:48125 14:49 !who 14:49 K2: [hdf-us] arnibald [dyn] Bourne [dyn] krm26 [evil] karibou [evil] dgoddard [nh370] Grouchy [nh370] tsingi [nh370] Tommo [nh370] Bartlem [nh370] Leeroy [slex] post163 [spl] davez [spl] malor6 [dnh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370] 14:57 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:48285 14:59 luxidream: just for the *most* important books you're looking at average case 90 charges with expected failures, but up to around 150 with poor rolls or if you have to try to write magic mapping twice 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Student of Waters, on T:30349 15:01 so you're writing confuse monster, detect monsters, healing, identify, magic mapping, jumping, haste self, anything else? 15:04 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:04 oh damn i forgot confuse monster lol 15:04 high priority which ijust calculated for was only det mon, id, healing, magic mapping 15:04 confuse monster is also pretty key tho 15:05 jumping and haste self probably needed unless speed boots are foundd 15:05 id is just a crutch for not guessing what item is what 15:05 no id is to train divination 15:05 without casting detect monsters 100 times 15:06 ^ 15:06 <{Demo}> id is to tell which amulet is real :P 15:06 magic mapping is just a crutch for not guessing the floor layout 15:07 <{Demo}> magic mapping is to tell which high altar is real :P 15:08 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 4300 points, T:7775, killed by a fire ant 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 5901 points, T:4513, killed by an uninjured owlbear 15:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:70980 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4422 15:10 luxidream: i noted down cure blind/sick, charm and remove curse, but they're likely not worth the charges, it's already really expensive all the stuff you gotta write lol 15:11 if you find them on the floor cool 15:11 cure blindness wut 15:11 yeah ok you dont need that 15:11 sick maybe 15:11 Yeah that's just plain redundant 15:11 what do you need cure sickness for? 15:11 use your unicorn horn 15:11 cure sickness is anti-Demogorgon strats on the other hand 15:11 you have one from revgenoing unicorns 15:11 you don't always have a unicorn lol 15:11 ok yeah true probably gonna revgeno those 15:12 and even blessed unihorns have a failure rate 15:12 i listed some as situational ok 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:7803 15:12 charm monster is really sick, probably unnecessary though 15:12 remove curse is pretty useless 15:12 it's very OP if you have it 15:12 what would it be good for? 15:12 amateurhour: well you konw that mino that's just aobut ot end your game 15:12 remove curse useless? 15:12 it has 0 MR right 15:12 low MR trash like shades 15:12 are you high? 15:13 go back to meteorology school :) 15:13 charm monster is really awesome if you start with it 15:13 K2: you have to train it up in tc speedrun 15:13 probably not worth it 15:13 pfft speedrun 15:13 idk sometimes i force it out but 15:13 ah yes, meteorology 101 contains a session on removing curses 15:13 you dont need to uncurse that much stuff usually 15:13 :P 15:13 best starting spells are either healing or sleep 15:13 yes 15:13 or detmon for tc 15:13 coincidentally both of which monks can get 15:13 detmon is super important for tc lol 15:14 really makes u think 15:14 * K2 renames 'sleep' to 'nappy-nap time' 15:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7318 15:14 hey aoei did you clip "monk is straight up garbage" 15:14 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 13088 points, T:14428, killed by a rothe 15:14 <{Demo}> that was funny 15:14 intrinsic telepathy doesn't exist in tc runs unless you're poly'd into mmf or whatever 15:14 <{Demo}> "yeah i tried running monk but the problem is it's just bad" or something to that effect 15:14 luxidream: wait what 15:15 <{Demo}> master kaen is hard to fight 15:15 <{Demo}> big time eater to prep 15:15 <{Demo}> "gotta go kill orcus first" 15:15 no i just like 15:15 don't understand lux's comment 15:15 <{Demo}> clip from the vod 15:16 what is to clip in this context? like to clock or notice? 15:16 because if so yes 15:16 there is a feature on twitch 15:16 you can save highlights 15:16 oh 15:16 i didn't do that with anything im afraid 15:16 and i probably won't beacuse then i'd have to watch it all again 15:16 as fun as it was watching back 15:16 i doubt i will ever do that lol 15:17 once is plenty 15:17 it's 6 and a half hours long 15:17 > stenno vs aoei race 15:17 > Clipped by aoeixsz4 15:17 misclick? i have no idea 15:17 i did not knowingly and intentionally clip it 15:18 that's funny, explains why it was a really random moment haha 15:18 lol 15:18 yeah ok that makes sense 15:18 monk is trash tho 15:18 just sayin' 15:18 amateurhour: fite me 15:19 haha, I do reckon there's some strat where you poly and rush to xlvl 17 for tc 15:19 tbf it's a lot better than knight 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 926 points, T:1138, killed by an uninjured dwarf 15:19 oh yeah with poly and tc it might be pretty decent actually 15:19 knight is just straight up bad 15:19 just start at level 1 and polyself gamble to 17 15:19 lool 15:19 sounds legit 15:20 hot take: knight is more trash than arc 15:20 not true 15:20 wtf it's definitely true 15:20 but knight is frustrating to play 15:20 knight is ass 15:20 knight is so annoying lol 15:20 arc is fine 15:20 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 101 points, T:292, killed by a newt 15:20 i think arc is fine once you get past early game 15:20 early game they're kinda shit 15:20 ok where is sub-2h arc if it's so good amateurhour 15:20 wait 15:21 are we saying even luxidream has not done sub-2h arc 15:21 I'll ask the best guy I know to do it 15:21 hey luxidream pls do a sub 2h arc 15:21 2:01 in tnnt 15:21 hahaha jeez 15:21 luxidream: what's your knight pb 15:21 I got that already 15:21 had to turn on the horse though 15:21 I'm convinced it is impossible without the horse 15:21 as in you coudln't do petless or what 15:21 the best way to play knight is presumably drop the lance and pretend you're a valk 15:21 ah 15:21 yea 15:21 but with crappy stats 15:22 yeah the lance is heavy and not that useful, even tho its a fun tactical mechanic when you can actually joust reliably 15:22 1:45 15:22 ok 15:22 i guess that proves it 15:22 arc is more trash 15:22 no it doesn't prove it 15:22 luxidream has a kind of hate boner for arc so won't even try another sub 2h :P 15:22 amateurhour: the sample size is TWO i'll have you know 15:22 you are mistaken 15:22 definitely concrete proof 15:22 my hate boner is for healer 15:23 please remove healer from the game 15:23 healer is the worst garbage yes 15:23 <{Demo}> lol i know a dude that would say that about another game 15:23 i ascended one or two in 343 with the old school full-soko-zoo protection racket strats 15:23 that just ain't happening in 3.6/3.7 15:24 I even smoky scummed for gops 15:24 <{Demo}> healer is best for t1 wishes 15:24 <{Demo}> archon fig is nice 15:24 and their damage output still sucks 15:24 <{Demo}> and then use archon to prot racket 15:24 it's ok once you get unihorn 15:24 and after that quest arti 15:24 I bet you could beat your knight pb easily as arc 15:24 but the quest is hard 15:24 the quest is pretty awful 15:24 mainly because you need to be able to cross water 15:24 to start 15:25 and you need reflection 15:25 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:8798 15:25 electric eels and dragons 15:25 yeah it's really fucked 15:25 <{Demo}> and a life draining nemesis :( 15:25 hey lets give the most shit character 15:25 one of the hardest quests 15:25 just bc why not 15:25 nemesis has no mr thankfully 15:25 Cyke is a pushover in comparison 15:25 so he can be cheesed 15:25 yeah you need to make sure he doesn't fuck you up first tho 15:25 gotta kill him fast 15:26 because that staff hurts 15:26 Ye 15:27 their lack of either kind of MR is key to that 15:27 aye 15:27 and you start with a wand of sleep 15:27 unless i was fairly stacked i'd still be terrified just using sleep to take care of cyclops 15:28 since melee can wake them up again 15:28 <{Demo}> if you think that is bad, i sleep cheesed the sam QA 15:28 <{Demo}> and rolled the dice on that one 15:28 jeez 15:28 that's ballsy 15:28 <{Demo}> yeah 15:29 <{Demo}> got lucky 15:29 what a verb 15:29 "sleep cheese" 15:29 yea that's choice 15:29 thanks Demo 15:29 I actually quite enjoy playing Sam 15:29 tho their quest is really annoying 15:29 edgy valk 15:29 the bow is fun for mines 15:30 yumi sorry 15:30 also useful for soko i guess 15:30 tho you ditch it before long 15:30 sam has the most useless qa 15:30 wish WoD wasn't the fastest strat for QN 15:30 most likely 15:30 oh yea the qa sucks 15:30 and yeah the Tsurugi really isn't much sadly 15:30 if I ever get around to making a variant I honestly want to try and rebalance a lot of the quests 15:30 I don't understand why the heart gets so much hate when the tsurugi is actually useless 15:30 but like, it's a pretty fun and fairly stacked melee role 15:31 luxidream: fair point at least hte heart gives you levi for planes 15:31 and backdoor castle if you're into that/manage to do quest first 15:31 <{Demo}> and doesnt weigh much 15:31 It's the redundancy for most people 15:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "cursed greased fixed +5 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:57735 15:31 though they turned into a meme 15:31 so 15:31 tsurugi is also redundant 15:31 heavier 15:31 it* 15:31 worse weapon 15:31 <{Demo}> nobody would use it 15:31 <{Demo}> it sucks 15:31 tsurugi is super useless 15:31 <{Demo}> it's a net problem 15:31 i wonder if future versions of nethack will make some of the shit qas like 15:31 <{Demo}> because you have to dispose of it after quest 15:31 just a little less shit perhaps 15:32 I leave it in the quest leader's chest 15:32 same 15:32 <{Demo}> can't dude loot chests now? 15:32 not if it's locked up 15:32 <{Demo}> ok 15:32 oh yeah i locked it away too haha 15:32 altho 15:32 if you're never going back you could probs just throw it on the upstair on Home:99 15:32 and then ascend 15:32 and hope you don't fall down a trapdoor 15:32 or something 15:32 lol 15:33 locked chest is safer i guess 15:33 <{Demo}> Home:99 is only in fiqhack 15:33 lol 15:33 99 is dungeon bottom when you levport we all know this 15:33 so on Home that's 5 or something 15:33 I used to type in random numbers 15:33 one time I got overflow 15:34 negative dungeon level 15:34 dywypi 15:34 hahahahahah 15:34 that's amazing 15:34 lmao 15:34 well done :) 15:34 * aoei hands luxidream a cookie 15:34 I was noob 15:34 that's so funny tho 15:34 can't stop giggling 15:34 was streaking, got really angry 15:34 oh shit 15:34 <{Demo}> that does suck 15:34 rofl 15:34 no that's just funnier 15:34 i mean, it sucks 15:34 but 15:34 lmao 15:34 this was like over 3 years ago 15:35 <{Demo}> yeah 15:35 that's an awesome death lol 15:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9738 15:36 [hdf-us] [un] Hatamaru (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the ghost of RossinK, the former Lookout, on T:2988 15:38 FIQ: the last release of unnethack 5 was in January 2019. the current unnethack 6 is, among other things, incorporating code from 3.6/3.7. 15:38 [hdf-us] [un] Hatamaru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1558 points, T:3129, killed by a water moccasin 15:38 <{Demo}> unnethack 6 by 2022? 15:39 more likely than 2021 15:39 Gehennom redesign would be nice 15:39 <{Demo}> 2021 is never gonna come 15:40 i suck at design 15:41 that's the nice thing about nethack. you can just grab lots of stuff from variants 15:41 like the vlad tower entrance level 15:41 whats variant about that 15:42 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Page of Claws, on T:8983 15:42 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Vlad%27s_Tower#dNetHack 15:43 actually this https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Chris/dNetHack/Windowless_Tower#Forest_and_Ground_Floor 15:43 it's a large outdoor area 15:43 ohhh yeah i know that level 15:43 from the one time i played dnethack 15:44 i just got confused and parsed that as like 15:44 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:9064 15:44 vanilla nh stole its vladtower from someplace 15:44 idk why 15:44 <{Demo}> ndnh has the best windowless tower variants 15:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:10110 15:44 <{Demo}> depending on which adventure branch you choose, you get a different one 15:45 <{Demo}> dismal swamp one for example https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/804814596166254642/unknown.png 15:45 that's not in the wiki? 15:46 <{Demo}> black forest one https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/804814762613145610/unknown.png 15:46 <{Demo}> ndnh isn't on the wiki 15:46 <{Demo}> I haven't added wiki entries for it ever and nobody but me really cares about ndnh 15:47 oh, ndnh, not dnh 15:47 Did someone say "neglected wiki entries"? 15:47 👀 15:47 lol umby loves the wiki editing 15:47 go go go 15:47 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 1674 points, T:2527, killed by a Woodland-elf 15:47 you better source dive before updating those 15:47 yeah always check the sauce 15:49 lux what time you think i can get speedrunning sam 15:49 wowless 15:49 my best wowless valk was like 2h 45m 15:49 or something 15:50 Ofc 15:50 you can get sub 3h 15:50 they're not that much slower 15:50 cool 15:50 i will try eet 15:51 i will try eet 15:51 oops 15:51 my best sam is only 1:39, I can probably beat that now 15:53 !who 15:53 luxidream: [hdf-us] Bourne [dyn] krm26 [evil] Umbire [evil] tsingi [nh370] efw [nh370] Grouchy [nh370] samiam [nh370] Tommo [nh370] Hatamaru [un] davez [spl] malor6 [dnh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370] 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3103 15:54 i wonder how tommos game is going 15:54 gonna go get some snacks and things before i start running 15:55 i ate a pizza and im still hungry idk what happened 15:55 it was huge too 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3767 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:10803 15:55 :o 15:56 Tommo is making decent time i think 15:56 could be sub-3h 15:57 aoei: what is your record now? 15:57 they're about 90min in i think 15:57 stenno: on 3.7 i have an orc barb 2h 10min wallclock 15:57 i found a wow on the floor tho lol 15:57 i see 15:57 didn't scum for it just random wow 15:58 so i have't beat your best time wowless (yet) 15:58 I was so pleased in 3.1.3 when I finished a game in an all-nighter. Sweet summer child that I was. 15:58 Pinkbeast: that was an achievment then and it still is if you do it now! 15:58 also summer child you say 15:58 i think i am done for now with hacking nhqdb 15:58 All Ascensions Are Valid 15:58 * aoei was a june baby 15:59 my birthday falls right in the middle of junethack! 15:59 :D 15:59 i will go back to it tomorrow maybe again but i spent like 20-30 hours on it already 15:59 oh wow 15:59 that's a lot 15:59 still need time repairing holes or? 15:59 there are some funky things 16:00 must also feel weird to work on it now 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4200 16:00 no hacking like in trying to break in 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3176 16:00 ahhhh 16:00 aoei: Well, actually, November, but no-one says "sweet autumn child" 16:00 so to make sure its tight, check for new holes 16:00 Pinkbeast: hahaha 16:00 fair 16:01 I'm gonna start saying that now. 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a tattered cape on an altar, on T:3180 16:02 stenno: how many hours did you spend since the last bug you found 16:02 bug/vuln whatever 16:02 Pinkbeast: sweet indian summer child 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:11158 16:04 yey boh 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:4752 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:11165 16:06 After doing so much evilhack, I'm reminded how sucky vanilla's soko is. :( 16:07 excuse me what is the meaning of this 16:07 nobody insults vanilla soko 16:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:48502 16:08 * Umbire picks up a baseball bat 16:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu), 63475 points, T:17607, killed by an invisible quaton 16:09 !who 16:09 luxidream: [hdf-us] arnibald [dyn] krm26 [evil] Umbire [evil] tsingi [nh370] efw [nh370] Grouchy [nh370] samiam [nh370] Tommo [nh370] nabru [nh370] Hatamaru [un] davez [spl] malor6 [dnh] zoya [xnh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] | [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370] 16:09 what's so good about evil's Sokoban? 16:11 aoei: vanilla soko sux 16:11 it's so boring and played out they tried to introduce artificial level diversity by flipping levels 16:11 Arahael: what's so good about evil's Sokoban? 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:11541 16:12 bhaak: It's not flipped. 16:12 aosdict: no it's perfect beacuse it's all in muscle memory and i can do it fast 16:12 better prizes perhaps? 16:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:72297 16:12 the rotations and reflections don't really bother me 16:12 it's all fine 16:12 very fast speed or a magic marker are potentially better than a bag of holding, which are not all that rare 16:12 aoei: Yeah, I got used to it, then got ot evil, and now back and I'm annoyed with it again. 16:13 aoei: It doesn't actually make you enjoy it more, the flipping seems to have no benefit. 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 36 points, T:62, killed by a scroll of earth 16:13 the reflections and rotations bothered me at first, but I've adjusted 16:13 Arahael: yeah but it has no downside so its fine 16:13 anything more clever would slow me down and annoy me lol 16:13 aosdict: yeah magic marker is the wow of tools 16:13 it has the same chance per tool as wow does per wand 16:13 altho polypiling is an exception because the rules are different there 16:13 aoei: Well, yes, but it's the only one of two magic markers in the entire game. 16:14 I refuse to adjust I will complain about the flipping till I'm in the flipping grave 16:14 Arahael: huh? 16:14 Arahael: not gonna lie, I expected that answer. but there is more to evilhack's sokoban than that. (even thought the coloring of the sokoban prizes is atrocious. K2 seems to be completely color impaired) 16:14 idk what evil does but in vanilla there are no guaranteed markers anyway 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5975 16:14 aoei: In evil, magic markers do not occur randomly. At all. You have the one in soko, and the one in the sanctum, and that's it. You can also wish them. 16:14 ^ 16:14 well that also doesn't change things all that much 16:15 random markers don't appear in that many games to begin with 16:15 most are just wished for 16:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:6062 16:15 sokoban prize colors are amazing 16:15 because it's almost as rare as finding a floor wow 16:15 aoei: Perhaps not your games. But most of us play for long enough that one will eventually turn up. :) 16:15 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11869 16:15 dont hate, bhaak 16:15 I mean aoei has a point honestly 16:15 :P 16:15 you see more of them because of tool generation in mines, and a reasonable chance of an mt tool shop 16:16 K2: they look so mundane 16:16 dnh has the best soko 16:16 and unlike wows you can polypile for markers 16:16 bhaak: Meh, the rest of soko seems good in evil. I like being able to select amongst three categories. 16:16 amateurhour: if you can paste soko 16:16 why have soko 16:16 * amateurhour shrugs 16:16 amateurhour: dnethack's sokoban is not on the wiki, therefore it doesn't exist 16:16 I don't paste soko but don't really mind if other people do it 16:16 what's the deal with the colours thing in evilhack soko? 16:16 just have a brevishack soko 16:17 I've never survived long enough in evil to get to soko :P 16:17 Demo make brevishack great again so i can play it 16:17 <{Demo}> what even is brevishack soko? 16:17 :V 16:17 luxidream I non-ironically would love a single giant soko puzzle 16:17 <{Demo}> i already forgot 16:17 nabru: i think i only did soko in evil one time 16:17 doesn't exist 16:17 <{Demo}> oh nice 16:17 i died on the zoo bit i think 16:17 nabru: Takes loads of practice :) 16:17 <{Demo}> i would do that 16:17 I've gotten to evil's soko several times. 16:17 I suggested 1 pit 1 boulder 16:17 luxidream: hahahha 16:17 but you vetoed that 16:17 amazing 16:17 why veto tho 16:17 щ（ﾟДﾟщ） 16:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 5857 points, T:3778, killed by a giant spider 16:17 jonadab: your site is down again or something, can't link to the cool giant soko puzzles 16:17 {Demo}: sokoban in brevishack should be a pile of rings, wands, and food items and a prize 16:17 I've cleared Soko this one run I've done, though with a lot of difficulty 16:18 bhaak: and one pit and one boulder 16:18 aoei: Oh, another thing, that WoW you like to start the game with, is pre-charged in evil. 16:18 amateurhour: I nudged him about that being down before I think 16:18 Arahael: see this is why i don't play evilhack :) 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:12279 16:18 aoei: Ha. But honestly, the hardest thing is those damn zombies. 16:18 tommo bebe im rootin for ya 16:18 gogogo 16:18 aoei: Even the monsters hate them. 16:19 Arahael: i know most of my 28 evilhack deaths were probably termill or direct zombie kill 16:19 aoei doesnt play evilhack because she's not good enough :D 16:19 it's true :( 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:10094 16:19 * aoei slinks away, defeated 16:19 actually you'd probably do well if you gave it a shot 16:19 hehe i might 16:19 i haven't got back into it since those 28 deaths ages ago 16:19 It's easy, honestly. 16:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 56517 points, T:17627, killed by a wounded blue jelly 16:20 Just play like a scared little baby. 16:20 variants just frustrate me because there's so much to laern/so much i don't know 16:20 4Head 16:20 Umbire: LOL 16:20 my team will force me to play it during jnh 16:20 i mean i was starting to get that a bit 16:20 so I'm putting it off until then 16:20 esp be terrified of zombies 16:20 be very terrified of zombies 16:20 i thinkt here's some strat about ruthlessly murdering the Oracle for her 8ball of warning 16:20 aoei: There's not that much difference between evil and vanilla, really. A couple of extra branches. And some level changes (eg, vlad's tower is completely different) 16:21 i feel bad for her tho like 16:21 the Oracle never hurt anyone :V 16:21 luxidream: for real I think you'd like dnh 16:21 i liked cockwork automata 16:21 briefly 16:21 It's the monster AI changes that make the game really 16:21 lol nice typo 16:21 until i got really fed up with having to backtrack to a peaceful and wind myself up 16:21 amateurhour: hahaha 16:21 I liked it, then grazzt hit me with a 100 damage psi bolt and I couldn't kill him 16:21 Which, I'd think that qualifies as a big difference. 16:21 what typo? c: 16:21 :D 16:21 Arahael your words hurt me... not much difference between evilhack and vanilla? WHAT?? 16:21 :P 16:22 avoid the demons and devils 16:22 It is not so easy to open this tin. You feel tough! 16:22 K2: Heh. :) It's just all very nicely _additional_. 16:22 well then... we'll have to remedy that 16:22 K2: Eg, you don't even have to do the ice queen branch either. 16:22 lol luxidream did you try to speedrun it out of interest? 16:22 no it was a while ago 16:22 no you do not. any new branches will always be optional 16:22 <{Demo}> vlads is optional if ur powerful enough 16:22 I should try it on stream 16:22 K2: Right, and the object properties... Is something that's extra, too. 16:23 <{Demo}> i ran evilhack without needing to do quest or vlad 16:23 <{Demo}> or rodney 16:23 <{Demo}> died in astral though 16:23 wait 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:12566 16:23 you don't have to do quest? 16:23 how does that work 16:23 K2: Nothing much profoundly changes, Vorpal is still vorpy. 16:23 <{Demo}> you do now 16:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 489 points, T:665, killed by a marid 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:12568 16:23 <{Demo}> but it was bugged initially 16:23 o.o 16:23 bugged how 16:23 <{Demo}> and instead of vibe square, downstairs 16:23 ohhh 16:23 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:12340 16:23 i see 16:23 <{Demo}> walked into the sanctum and was like, so, this is it ok 16:24 thats crazy 16:24 lol 16:24 new quests/branches aoei 16:24 not existing 16:24 right i keep allowing myself to be distracted by irc 16:24 but i gotta head out for a minute 16:24 cya 16:25 Shit. Cast force bolt in soko... In the wrong fricking direction. :( 16:25 :/ 16:25 How many boulders did you lose 16:25 This is what happens when you play whilst still recovering from surgery. 16:25 Umbire: One, but this level has no spares. 16:25 Umbire: I'll have to teleport one or create one. 16:25 Oh yeah, I think Evil Soko's stingier with those. 16:25 Arahael: do you use your teeth to do directionkeys? 16:25 ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 16:25 And I don't have a wand of telo, so will create one. 16:26 aoei: Haha. 16:26 Either of the earth scrolls uh... 16:26 cursed? 16:26 Umbire: And nah, it's not stingier. 16:26 [hdf-us] [un] Hatamaru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1519 points, T:4637, killed by a jackal 16:26 I felt like it was. 16:26 Mm. 16:26 Umbire: There's a spot I can use safely for more boulders, even if uncursed. 16:27 No, I'm asking if it's cursed because then you'll only get the one boulder 16:27 Ah, I don't know. I suspect uncursed. A cursed one woudl be awesome. 16:27 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:28 So much lag in nethack today. :( 16:28 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1722 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:12820 16:29 Oh, wow. The soko scrolls are cursed! 16:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:861 16:29 👍 16:29 Ooh, early first sac gift 16:29 Better not waste it 16:30 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 16:30 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 2178 points, T:1826, killed by a hill orc 16:30 K2: who do I have to curse at for the livelog filter options (after I curse at myself for not coming up with a better scheme)? 16:30 hill orc reads cursed scroll of create monster, I'm overwhelmed and die. :/ 16:31 for 370-hdf? 16:31 bhaak 16:31 bhaak: you always have to curse at bhaak 16:31 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:12762 16:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu), 1331 points, T:2932, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted pony 16:31 K2: did i tell you that shout song you sent me is really awesome and i cant stop listening to it lol 16:31 K2: yes and for xnethack, evilhack, etc. 16:32 livelog is Tangles' baby 16:32 why do you curse it? 16:32 was it mean to you? 16:32 does it owe you money? 16:32 it's a bitfield 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:12957 16:33 aoei :P 16:33 K2: no i mean it 16:33 ok time to get the kiddo, back in a bit 16:34 this song is great 16:34 yay 16:34 i like it too 16:34 ive listened to it at least once a day since you sent it lol 16:34 <3 16:34 :P 16:35 bhaak: really, there are a lot of livelog announcements, so they should be packed into a minimal binary format to take the least amount of space on the wire 16:35 /s 16:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1486 16:36 K2: Also, just to clarify, I actually think it's great that evilhack is a bunch of extra stuff, it makes it easy to get into. Damn hard to play though, but you can probably play it OK even if you didn't read the wiki page about it. 16:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13478 16:37 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:38 Arahael: it would be strange if a variant called "evil"hack would be easy. that would be false advertizement :) 16:39 (And it's not like, say, learning to play Dwarf Fortress after playing nethack) 16:39 and false advertisement is evil, so it would be true to its name... 16:39 liar paradox detected 16:39 bhaak: Depends on the definition. ;) It's quite common for the dark side or evil to be easier. ;) Since you don't have to consider ethics... 16:40 ok, but here it's the *game* that is evil and doesn't have to consider ethics, not you 16:40 bhaak: did you sort out that git repo? 16:40 aosdict: Ha. Sure. 16:40 amateurhour: yes, I just forget to push it 16:40 woot 16:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) wished for "fossil dark", on T:73691 16:43 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:13517 16:46 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5133 points, T:9313, killed by a killer bee, while unconscious from rotten food 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scroll of genocide", on T:13831 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:13832 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:13833 16:52 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:54 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1016 points, T:2513, killed by a werejackal 16:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:14259 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:14260 16:57 <@malor> !who 16:57 @malor: [hdf-us] Bourne [dyn] Umbire [evil] dgoddard [nh370] tsingi [nh370] efw [nh370] Grouchy [nh370] Tommo [nh370] Kevkat [nh370] Hatamaru [un] davez [spl] malor6 [dnh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370] 16:58 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (killed by a heavily wounded invisible balrog), on T:14599 17:03 eek 17:04 [hdf-us] [un] Hatamaru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1796 points, T:3788, killed by an Uruk-hai 17:05 this looks bad 17:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:14604 17:05 that looks better 17:05 OPhew 17:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5719 17:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:4803 17:12 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 17:13 sucks to burn the AoLS tho 17:13 hopefully they'll be alright for the rest of the run 17:13 they have decent AC 17:13 but no additional AoLS by the looks of it 17:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed tinning kit", on T:74882 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:14816 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:14817 17:17 woot 17:17 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:15810 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:14856 17:20 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2433 points, T:3302, killed by a white unicorn 17:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of conflict", on T:14861 17:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Gno Fem Neu), 5109 points, T:8148, killed by a hobgoblin 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:14938 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:14938 17:25 Gogogo! 17:25 that low hp not helping here :/ 17:25 how low maxhp? 17:25 i stopped watching cuz im about to start my sam 17:26 was at 96/96 17:26 earlier 17:26 ehhhh 17:26 not great 17:26 sketchy 17:26 aye 17:26 at -20 AC its probs fine 17:26 but tommo doesn't have -20 AC 17:26 -17 is still excellent 17:26 oh ok 17:26 i saw -15 earlier 17:26 i thought 17:26 idk 17:27 I'm going out for a bit 17:27 good luck on your sam 17:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:17479 17:31 be well luxi 17:31 and gl aoei 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5003 17:35 I nearly died! I tried to telport, but I read two cursed scrolls of teleport and both times i "shuddered". Why!? 17:35 Twice! 17:36 dang 17:36 ded 17:37 Nearly! 17:37 new game then 17:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:16658 17:37 i had a floor longsword for excal dipping too :( 17:38 :( 17:38 :[ 17:38 :| 17:38 Also cursed tele does that some times 17:38 :$ 17:38 Umbire: Twice in a row is pretty harsh of the RNG! 17:38 unlucky 17:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:15669 17:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:15778 17:42 I've also lost my yendorian card. :( 17:42 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 240 points, T:1648, killed by a grid bug 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:15866 17:45 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 420 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:15945 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 28 points, T:89, killed by an orcish dagger 17:47 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 17:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 942 points, T:1748, killed by an exploding potion 17:50 Hmm, where are those ttyrecs again? 17:50 The website never seems to quite work - always assumes US, I think. 17:50 replace www. with au. 17:51 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/ttyrec/ <-- or replace eu. with au. in this url, and S/Stella with a/arahael 17:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Geryon, on T:59013 17:51 That works - thanks! 17:52 np 17:55 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) had a pair of iron gauntlets entrusted to her by Set, on T:2392 17:55 Found it, was in teh big room, nymph still has ait. 17:56 No wonder I was finding the monsters there rather tough. 17:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:16548 18:01 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:03 meh i am sucking at samurai rn 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:17139 18:05 i didn't need to quit at mt tho just because orctown 18:05 could have gone back to main dungeon and dipped for excal 18:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1414 18:05 i had an altar, holy water and a random floor longsword 18:05 just got annoyed and rage quit bc orctown and a nymph stole my mithril lol 18:05 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 18:05 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:05 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 18:06 !rng try sam again | accept that valk is your one true goddess 18:06 aoei: accept that valk is your one true goddess 18:06 fair play Beholder, fair play 18:07 I don't think I've ever played valk. 18:07 valk is boring in normal games cuz she's too OP 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1815 18:07 but for speedrunning so good 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:17295 18:08 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:20490 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:17316 18:10 go on tommo! 18:10 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:17332 18:11 aaaaa 18:11 dont die pls :c 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2128 points, T:2703, killed by a heavily wounded hallucinogen-distorted ogre king 18:11 no tele wands? 18:11 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 18:11 oh phew found another Ao_LS 18:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59175 18:11 and using healy pots 18:11 ok 18:11 gut 18:12 jeez this looks a bit scary still ol 18:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:17369 18:12 ggez 18:13 WOO 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 528591 points, T:17369, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tommo/nethack/dumplog/1611947405.nh.html 18:13 grats 18:13 oof 18:13 yey 18:13 i only shaved a couple minutes off but 18:13 looked a teeny bit hairy near the end there 18:13 but you made it 18:13 Congrats tommo. 18:13 no extra wow this time 18:13 ay still new pb, and wowless, awesome :D 18:13 big improvement then :) 18:13 so that feels like an improvement 18:13 ggz ggz 18:13 ya :3 18:13 ty ty 18:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:50772 18:13 gratz tommo! 18:13 submit to speedrun.com 18:14 peeebeeeee! 18:14 ya ya 18:14 i tried to play a few samurai 18:14 gotta snack first 18:14 but played terribly 18:14 and then watched you ascend 18:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed Father Dagon, on T:77877 18:14 being human SUCKS 18:14 worst race 18:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed Mother Hydra, on T:77884 18:14 ever 18:14 GG tommo! 18:14 thx :) 18:14 humans are wurst 18:16 *sigh*. How do I use the tele trap to telport to the room of gold? 18:16 (The name escapes me.) 18:16 It seems teleport control messes it up. 18:16 gratz tommo! 18:17 tommo: next time i want to see sub-4h :3 18:17 i believe in u 18:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:59253 18:17 Arahael: I think ctrl-T 18:18 aye i think elenmirie__ is cor 18:18 correct* 18:18 sounds about reyt 18:18 aboot* 18:18 elenmirie__: It says I don't know that spell. 18:18 I've "used up" the trap now, though. :( 18:18 you only get one shot at that 18:18 oh yea it only works once 18:19 rip 18:19 It was marked at ""? ? r? n"" 18:19 dig it! 18:19 Yeah, I'll have to. :( 18:20 aoei: only Canadians are allowed to say aboot 18:20 please cease and desist 18:21 i was trying to do scottish! 18:21 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:21 lol 18:21 <{Demo}> too late 18:21 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:21 :C 18:21 lol 18:21 ok 18:21 <{Demo}> hothraxxa will be here shortly to dispose of you 18:21 i'll see myself out 18:22 hothraxxa will turn up, shoot you and then apologise 18:22 xD 18:28 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 25665 points, T:1090, quit 18:29 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:51241 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 13811 points, T:7651, petrified by a cockatrice 18:33 tommo: proud of you 18:33 keep smashing the recs 18:33 hehe 18:34 bless u 18:34 i wrote a python script 2 calc clock time from my dumplog :3 18:34 * Deathsushi dips aoei in holy water. 18:34 totally forgot until now 18:34 thx past me! 18:35 can you share 18:35 yyyyes 18:35 I always go to xlog and subtract the values :( 18:35 its not good tho 18:36 there's no case catchers, its finnicky, u gotta copy/paste times 18:36 lemme spiff it up a bit first 18:36 well I am lazy which is why I ask :D 18:36 haha okay well 18:36 ill put it on github anyway, n fix it up when im feelin it 18:44 https://github.com/ciraben/timecalc.py 18:45 thank 18:47 for now, copy/paste the date AND time for each input or it'll scream 18:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:10647 18:48 !lastgame ValkGDQ 18:48 amateurhour: No last game for ValkGDQ. 18:49 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) had a leather cloak entrusted to her by Kos, on T:52348 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:10968 18:50 tommo: i normally look at the dumplog and do it in my head lol 18:50 but a script would be handy 18:51 ya 18:51 i kept playing across midnights so :P 18:52 WHy does the Master Key of Thievery always blast me whenever i become a were creature? 18:52 well.. rly i think i just wanted 2 code sumn 18:53 Arahael: its a weird new thing not sure if intended or bug 18:53 happens with polyself too 18:53 intended 18:53 Intended? 18:53 anytime you change form either to werecreature/revert or polyform/revert you touch the artifact and get reblasted 18:54 it doesnt make loads of sense to me which is why i asked whether intended or not 18:54 when you change forms it calls retouch() 18:54 gonna resume game befor ei ruin my walllclock 18:54 wtf 18:54 how do i quit zapm 18:54 yo tommo that's pretty neat so far 18:55 nvm i just disconnnected lol 18:55 a cool extension could be to add a dumplog url at the command line and have it spit out the time 18:55 aoei: Ah, no, I merely felt feverish. 18:56 hm? 18:56 you got blasted when you caught lycanthropy? 18:56 Yes. 18:57 amateurhour: o thx! 18:57 im gonna make it read the dumplog itself in a few, i think it'll be way nicer 18:58 sounds great 18:58 :3 19:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4058 19:05 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible bouquet's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:6256 19:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law), 8863 points, T:5720, killed by a heavily wounded horse 19:12 lol that zoo was way too stacked 19:12 sleep wand and lightning wand in there 19:13 also i had no key 19:13 so i kicked in the door and got rekt 19:13 rofl 19:13 !lastgame 19:13 luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/e/efw/nethack/dumplog/1611907675.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1611963242.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/dumplog/1611903168.nh.html 19:13 game was actually going fairly well besides that 19:13 kicked the door T_T 19:13 may have wanted to consider going back later with a key 19:14 samurai is not stealthy either 19:14 or camping out n punching things 1v1 19:14 aoei: I only recently learnt that the monsters are usually asleep there! So always kicked it. 19:14 so that is a problem 19:14 oh 19:14 ah yeah 19:14 not having stealth sucks 19:14 aoei: But I usually run away and then try to hit the monsters a bit more slowly. Going downstairs to heal, etc. 19:14 samurai sucks so much why am i playing samurai 19:14 щ（ﾟДﾟщ） 19:14 lol 19:14 You really only want to figh tin the hallways. 19:14 Arahael: yes i do this too 19:14 samurai is awesome sauce 19:14 Arahael: i got sleeped the second i kicked it down 19:14 its also amy's fav role 19:14 altho i actually had a chacne to pray or run away after that and didnt because i was dumb 19:15 good chance i still woulnd't have escaped tho 19:15 sleep and lightning wands may have been not far behind me as i ran away lol 19:15 lmao it looks like you ran in the zoo anyway 19:15 k2: oh word? 19:15 o: 19:15 no that isn't me lux 19:15 werd 19:15 i was invisible 19:15 and displaced 19:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 499538 points, T:26187, killed by a raven, while fainted from lack of food 19:16 oh 19:16 Woof. 19:16 Sad death, that. 19:16 sokozoo was really risky tbf 19:16 no key no stealth i was asking to get rekt 19:16 coulda dug straight down and gtfo 19:16 lol 19:16 would be sad though 19:16 ohh shit 19:16 i forgot you can do that 19:16 i always forget its a possibility in soko after you fill the holes 19:16 or maybe even before idk how it works 19:16 probably only after? 19:17 nah 19:17 it works except on the bottom level 19:17 ahhh 19:18 huh i never thought to try that 19:18 ok so escape and salvaging the game was possible 19:18 not getting the prize would indeed have sucked tho 19:19 would have been funny if the ammy i found right outside the zoo had been reflection 19:19 but it was an amulet of change 19:20 i had cool armour and a dungeon altar that game :( 19:20 !rng one more | bed 19:20 aoei: bed 19:21 <.< 19:21 >.> 19:21 !rng run it back until you win | 19:21 luxidream: 19:21 !rng run it back until you win | the first option 19:21 luxidream: run it back until you win 19:23 !date 19:23 !time 19:23 nabru: Fri Jan 29 19:23:06 2021 EST 19:27 <@malor> !who 19:27 @malor: [hdf-us] dragonspeaker [dyn] Bourne [dyn] bouquet [evil] coplate [evil] malor6 [dnh] | [hdf-eu] HarmathZsolt [slshm] Stella [nh370] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370] 19:32 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5579 points, T:12500, killed by a boiling potion 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed master key of thievery", on T:17161 19:37 luxidream: timecalc.py just takes ur dumplog as input now, for max lazy 19:37 thank u 19:37 np 19:37 goin 4 a walk 19:38 seeya~ 19:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4200 points, T:2296, killed by a wand 19:38 does it also take a url 19:38 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 19:38 where do i find this cool script lux 19:38 ya 19:38 sick 19:39 i asked lux cuz i thougth you'd gone already :D 19:39 https://github.com/ciraben/timecalc.py 19:39 thx 19:39 bye tho lol 19:39 bye 19:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kevkat (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:30595 19:39 have nice walkies 19:39 nice one tommo, that was quick 19:39 have a nice walk 19:39 ty ^_^ 19:40 i suck at samurai 19:40 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1884 points, T:2909, killed by a fire ant 19:41 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 19:42 Go yeam a! 19:43 thanks, thanks 19:43 we are awesome, i know 19:45 !lastgame Stella 19:45 tinklebear: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1611966069.nh.html 19:47 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:48 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 19:48 lol dl3 floor [oR 19:49 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:50 What's [oR again? 19:50 Shield of reflection? 19:51 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1504 points, T:3195, killed by a pony 19:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:54 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Really quit? (Y/N)] 19:54 no it's obviously boots of reflection 19:54 duh 19:54 <@nabru> 🙃 19:55 I hate how ambiguous notation can read sometimes 19:55 even though there's like, only one thing that could be 19:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:2157 19:55 snickerwhee 19:56 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4518 19:59 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:7752 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1263 points, T:2063, killed by a wounded ochre jelly 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:17398 20:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4167 20:12 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 throwing stars on an altar, on T:8535 20:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Mal Law), 11651 points, T:5962, killed by an uninjured hallucinogen-distorted sasquatch 20:17 aaaaa god damn it 20:17 i even had conflict 20:17 thought that might save m 20:18 i should go to bed instead of failing at nethack 20:18 :c 20:18 sokoban is a trap. i keep saying this 20:18 lol 20:18 was fun to watch, though 20:19 gotta rethink strats for sam a bit 20:19 soko is too dangerous without stealth 20:19 get absolutely rekt every time 20:19 that game had artiwep and a [oR from the floor too :( 20:20 early reflection was a nice piece of luck 20:20 yea 20:20 <@luxidream> !lastgame 20:20 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1611964918.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1611967525.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/dumplog/1611903168.nh.html 20:20 lol the extra healing would have healed hallu 20:21 but i didnt have it id'd 20:21 iirc 20:21 <@luxidream> c - a cursed ring of warning (on left hand) 20:21 <@luxidream> conflict? 20:21 good point 20:21 i saw the numbers when i put it on 20:21 but i also saw monsters attack each other 20:21 and got confused 20:21 and decided it was conflict lmao 20:22 maybe this is also why i should go to bed 20:22 oh also extra healing was a diff dumplog lmao 20:22 you sure it wasn't just "friendly fire" from projectiles targeted at you? 20:23 pretty sure i saw "the foo hits the something" 20:23 maybe it was grudged monsters 20:23 maybe 20:23 zombie and living 20:23 i didnt read it carefully enough 20:23 also i saw the warning numbers 20:23 no ring gives conflict *and* warning 20:23 not in vanilla anyway 20:23 was this monster-on-monster violence after you had cloak of displacement on? 20:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed Daemon, on T:80090 20:24 oh maybe 20:24 dunnew 20:24 wait weren't you invisible anyway 20:24 nah not in that game i dont think 20:24 <@luxidream> displacement will do that 20:25 ah righht 20:25 conflict-on-a-budget 20:25 i mean it was a dumb conclusion anyway given the warning numbers popped up when i put the ring on 20:25 lol 20:25 but yeah displacement does have that happen sometimes 20:26 i literally went "oh this ring is warning" and then completely forgot that two seconds later 20:26 and decided it was conflict 20:26 lol 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 273 points, T:770, killed by a bolt of fire 20:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] Guts0 (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 165 points, T:219, killed by a bear trap 20:30 * Pinkbeast feels torn about identification 20:31 how so 20:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed Glasya, on T:80638 20:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5570 20:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:17505 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Bar Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +3 helm of brilliance", on T:17506 20:40 * Umbire tears a scroll of identify in half 20:40 Like that 20:41 lol 20:42 :) 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh343] Helios (Val Hum Fem Law), 558 points, T:1124, killed by a dwarf 20:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Wiz Dro Mal Neu), 22748 points, T:8006, killed by Cerberus 20:49 <@malor> !who 20:49 @malor: [hdf-us] tinklebear [nh370] Hrnn [nh370] oh6 [nh370] Frozty [nh370] Helios [dnh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 20:51 i think sam has to find and kill elves in the main dungeon before soko 20:51 for their shoes 20:51 or an elven cloak 20:51 which is annoying 20:52 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 20:54 <@luxidream> no 20:54 <@luxidream> fight in the hallway 🙂 20:58 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:58 luxi's right ya know 20:59 (but also if you happen across a means of stealth then def. run with it 20:59 can beeline to the prize doors that way) 21:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Helios (Brd Swn Fem Cha), 1102 points, T:1231, killed by a small crossbow bolt 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:31670 21:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1713 points, T:2122, quit 21:04 i did fight in the hallway 21:04 sitll died 21:05 quitting isn't dying Stella >:C 21:05 /j 21:05 !lastgame Stella 21:05 Umbire: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1611971618.nh.html 21:06 oh that one was just because 21:06 amaterasu was being a prick 21:06 I see that 21:06 and took an xl off me 21:06 when i tried to water pray after converting a susanowo altar to him 21:06 he hsould be thanking me >:v 21:06 -!- arahael1 has joined #hardfought 21:06 could killing peacefuls cause this 21:06 ? 21:06 * tinklebear did not watch the game 21:07 im not sure, dont remember killing many peacefuls that game 21:08 Miscounted timeout? 21:08 never prayed once 21:08 might be that you're underestimating the penalties also, I think Sams get dinged a bit harder for attacking peacefuls 21:08 no idea what i did to piss him off 21:08 *her 21:09 -!- Arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:09 i dont recall attacking any but i might ahve not noticed 21:09 tbh i could have sacced another corpse to check my timeout 21:09 i usually do 21:09 <@luxidream> "You were unlucky." 21:10 <_> 21:10 hiding in plain sight, thatr 21:10 *that 21:10 ok also no idea why i was unlucky 21:10 weird 21:10 <@luxidream> from converting the altar probably 21:10 ^ 21:11 it converted first try 21:11 pretty sure 21:11 Might've been an earlier altar? 21:12 I'd say go to the ttyrec but then game's dead so not rly that serious lol 21:12 idk 21:12 i honestly dont remember trying to convert any other altars either 21:12 but i must have done something somewhere 21:12 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 21:12 can still check the rec if you want 21:14 <@luxidream> sigh 21:14 lol its not that big a deal 21:14 <@luxidream> with all this time I spent trying to install tty2gif 21:14 <@luxidream> I could have just screen recorded the whole thing 21:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1508 21:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3102 21:22 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha) stole 400 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kinnegad's second-hand bookstore, on T:6344 21:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3974 21:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4081 21:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4095 21:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed figurine of an intoner", on T:550 21:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4383 21:38 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:8259 21:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "a blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3557 21:42 aoei having good luck with the sac gifts 21:43 ye 21:46 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 dragonhide speed boots", on T:8304 21:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 694 points, T:2502, killed by a wand 21:48 -!- Admin__ has joined #hardfought 21:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1216 21:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8139 21:53 <@malor> !who 21:53 @malor: [hdf-us] coplate [evil] tinklebear [nh370] Cropper [nh370] Qwesti [nh370] oh6 [nh370] gturner [nh370] | [hdf-eu] Glord [nh370] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 21:54 lol i lucked into stealth ring that time 21:54 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "the blessed fixed ring of P'hul", on T:8579 21:58 @luxidream fun fact you probably already knew: pick-axe works without waking monsters for breaking the soko zoo door, if you have stealth 21:59 this sort of surprised me but i had no key so i tried it 21:59 nobody woke up 22:04 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 17 points, T:539, killed by a jackal 22:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) was given the Singing Sword, on T:4098 22:08 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:9499 22:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5255 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:87044 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) murdered Vita Fidelia, her faithful black unicorn, on T:87044 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:87049 22:15 <@luxidream> I do that all the time 22:15 <@luxidream> lol 22:17 yeah im not surprised you already knew that one 22:17 lol 22:19 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1578 points, T:2544, killed by a kitten 22:21 why am i still awake 22:22 its 04:22 22:22 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 22:22 Go to sleep 22:22 Hi tommo 22:22 nu 22:22 lol hi 22:22 hi tommo :o 22:22 aoei: go to slep >:c 22:23 ok D: 22:23 * aoei goes to bed 22:23 i lied im still here 👀 22:23 fuckin knew it! 22:24 nah but for real i shud slep 22:24 ye, i believe u 22:24 gotta meet my buddy tomorrow at the asian market 22:24 and buy the fuuds 22:24 funnn 22:24 get a noodle 4 me 22:24 okey 22:24 shur you dont want 2 noodles 22:24 or maybe 3 22:24 they're not very filling individually 22:25 mmmm 22:25 u'd b surprised! 22:25 lol :D 22:25 i have to listen to this song psycho killer before bed 22:25 its important :v 22:25 o ya 22:25 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bobert (ezion) (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 468 points, T:549, killed by a bat 22:25 tommo: i managed to beat soko with a samurai finally 22:26 but then i was too tired to play more 22:26 haha gj 22:26 so no wallclock goodness 22:26 they're rly not that bad :\ 22:26 also took me nearly an hour 22:26 yes they are bad 22:26 because they are human and non stealthy and annoying 22:26 <.< 22:26 ok i get they're bad for speedrunning but 22:26 im surprised it matters that early 22:27 idk maybe i just was playing like a dumb 22:27 but i got rekt alot lol 22:27 i guess im implying that lol 22:27 oops 22:27 haha its fine 22:27 its been a while actually 22:27 but! samurai was i think my second ascension 22:27 im not sure if i even ascended sam post-343 yet 22:27 n i played it basically same as valk 22:28 oh yeah at one point i was watching you play 22:28 and you named your empty wants mt 22:28 im stealing that 22:28 [hdf-us] [un] Guts0 (Con Vam Mal Cha), 1379 points, T:2161, killed by a watch captain 22:29 hehe 22:29 ah ok i do have one 3.6.0 Sam 22:29 [hdf-us] [dyn] Wawa (ezion) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 144 points, T:295, killed by a jackal 22:29 i don't always 22:29 no realtime recorded 22:29 but it was rly helpful that run 22:29 yea i often name them but i type the whole word empty out 22:29 mt is a nice shorthand 22:29 cuz i had 3 /oD 22:29 saves keystrokes 22:29 300iq 22:29 ye 22:29 haha 22:30 i also have a 3.7.0 Sam asc 22:30 11h 15min 22:30 lmao 22:30 oh this is giving me ideas for the individual player pages for the scoreboard 22:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:87286 22:31 would be cool for example if you can easily check your best time for a given role for example 22:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed Geryon, on T:49405 22:31 i just said for example twice in that sentence and i am very tilted now 22:31 (╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻ 22:32 ... 22:32 i'll just put that table back 22:32 eg 22:32 ┬─┬ ノ( ゜-゜ノ) 22:32 and go to bed 22:32 good night :D 22:32 <3 22:32 lol night 22:32 ^__^ 22:33 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3504 points, T:3485, killed by a wolf 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law), 31952 points, T:15132, quit 22:37 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:11978 22:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law), 250 points, T:884, killed by a bolt of fire 22:40 [hdf-us] [un] Guts0 (Con Vam Mal Cha), 1269 points, T:1586, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome 22:40 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 20412 points, T:12050, killed by Yeenoghu 22:45 -!- Xjs has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:3883 22:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7736 22:52 [hdf-us] [dyn] Wawa (ezion) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1866 points, T:2214, killed by a gnome lord 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4385 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:4438 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:4445 22:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Nob Dro Fem Cha), 2235 points, T:2565, killed by a gnome 22:55 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:83893 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2581 points, T:4985, killed by an uninjured mumak 22:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:83956 23:01 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 23:03 -!- bort13 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:84300 23:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed Demogorgon, on T:50391 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3114 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3140 23:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) destroyed krm26's ghost, the former Arbalester, on T:50667 23:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:84884 23:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:9965 23:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) destroyed Death, on T:85129 23:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:85151 23:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) destroyed Famine, on T:85202 23:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Pestilence, on T:85266 23:27 * Umbire prays 23:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Rog Dro Mal Law), 5392652 points, T:85301, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor6/dnethack/dumplog/1611841536.dnh.txt 23:28 <@riker> gg malor 23:28 <@malor> thanks for letting me have it riker. 23:28 GG! 23:29 <@riker> no worries lol 23:29 <@malor> that was a long game. Maybe my longest since my early ones. 23:29 <@riker> next time i recommend webweaver's crook 23:29 <@malor> I never really had traction. 23:29 <@malor> Plus, I seemed to basically NEVER regenerate. 23:29 <@riker> it'll basically guarantee sneak attacks on subsequent hits - it traps htem in webs, or cna sleep/paralyze/blind them too! 23:29 <@riker> well. you had 2 iron items on 23:29 <@riker> more if free action was iron, and i konw engagementi s iron (shock res?) 23:29 <@malor> Fortunately somehow I had the Buer spirit? I don't know where I got that since the book I had was the "Infinite Spells". So that was literally the first time I had noticeable regeneration. 23:30 <@riker> any binder bones? 23:30 <@malor> Maybe? I found a microlance bones file, but I don't know what it was from at all. 23:30 <@riker> wack 23:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Quetzalcoatl, on T:51025 23:31 <@riker> anyway i really like traitor xaxox rogues bc webweaver's is infinite sneak attacks, which is great 23:31 <@riker> even better if you get the blood shower rune - +30 flat hp on a sneak attack 23:31 <@riker> i have zero objections to like an 8% heal per hit 23:31 <@malor> that was too tough. Next time I am NOT going traitor. Man that was rough. Plus my weapon constantly hated me AND also made me itchy EVEN more! 23:32 <@riker> mirror brand is silver htat shouldn't be the problem 23:32 <@malor> although I did really like the weapon. Curse protection is really nice, makes it so you don't have to worry about a lot of things. And the robe effect is nice, although I basically used spells in combat ONCE. 23:32 <@riker> it'll blast you though 23:32 <@riker> oh, tentacle rod is iron isn't it 23:32 <@riker> it should be unaligned iirc? 23:33 <@malor> also tentacle rod did some nice work for me. The dps isn't great but it worked pretty well. 23:33 <@riker> i'ts better if you let it offhand for living, imo 23:33 -!- arahael1 is now known as Arahael 23:34 <@riker> it's less dmg obviously but it's effectively a bonus for whatever yoru main hand is 23:34 <@riker> i think it's better for non-two weapon builds though and rogues are good at that 23:34 <@malor> also I think that Tiny being of light was a good choice for a "thought". On the PLANES I basically took very little damage despite not being able to plow quickly with dps. Although it was medium quick. On Air, I ran through as usual and by the end I had take a net of 10 damage 🙂 23:35 <@malor> I am not playing Drow again until I am in some sort of goth-hate-myself-phase, which is rare for me 🙂 It was too hard, honestly. 23:35 <@riker> lol 23:36 <@riker> it's not that hard, jsut requires an adjustment :) 23:36 <@riker> or at least not harder than elves, but i guess you have a point vs like chiros or something 23:36 <@riker> which have basically no disadvantages past the very early game:/ 23:36 <@malor> that's where I want to be: no disadvantages 🙂 23:36 <@malor> taking massive damage from iron all game is not fun. 23:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Joshu, on T:11162 23:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) murdered Vita Fidelia, her faithful black unicorn, on T:87914 23:38 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3918 points, T:4822, killed by a small mimic 23:46 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Arc Dwa Fem Neu), 586 points, T:1459, killed by Ms. Sneem; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 23:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha) was given Plague, on T:9525 23:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 23:52 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ndr-Nob Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6485