00:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 117 points, T:804, killed by a rock 00:10 -!- Lymia has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:11 -!- Lymia has joined #hardfought 00:12 -!- NCommander has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:12 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 00:12 -!- NCommander has quit [Changing host] 00:12 -!- NCommander has joined #hardfought 00:12 [hdf-us] [evil] joshtaco (Pri Dwa Fem Law), 5 points, T:128, killed by a gas cloud 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (gelatinous cubes), on T:6722 00:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Stormhelm", on T:49749 00:24 !tell aoei >be me >go one floor below Minetown because I trust my luck >literally find another BoH on the floor followed by a third as a giant spider death drop 00:24 I'm on it, Umbire. 00:27 -!- Admin__ is now known as bug_sniper 00:29 !booze Andrio 00:29 bug_sniper: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2021-01-18 17:23 EST: heh, I like gotos ;) 00:29 * Beholder hands Andrio a tumbler of the hooch, fermented by NotTheOracle\dnt at 61 degrees Fahrenheit. 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:7819 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) genocided class L, on T:8718 00:46 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2697 00:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:13852 00:51 aosdict: You wanna fix the encyclopedia entry's appearance in DarkVector or at least make the text dark 00:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:51 aosdict: https://ibb.co/TMJc5Kb 00:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:16619 00:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Swn Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:51028 00:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Swn Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:51065 01:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:10820 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:10884 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) consumed animal products (floating eye) for the first time, on T:4102 01:18 -!- Arahael has joined #hardfought 01:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Swn Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:51960 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:4434 01:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4715 01:27 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Mal Neu) destroyed Blackbeard's Ghost, on T:18860 01:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Swn Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:52780 01:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Swn Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Death, on T:52939 01:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Swn Fem Law), 4503318 points, T:52967, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor6/dnethack/dumplog/1611698827.dnh.txt 01:49 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:49 GG malor 01:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:50 -!- Arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:51 -!- Arahael has joined #hardfought 01:51 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 01:51 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 932 points, T:1306, burned by a fireball 02:00 congratulations, @malor. 02:00 <@malor> thanks! 02:00 is that the first yuki-onna convict? 02:00 <@malor> yes. 02:00 !booze @malor 02:00 * Beholder throws @malor a tumbler of grog, prayed over by TheresaMayBot at 72 degrees Celsius. 02:01 <@malor> only the 2nd time I've ascended a convict of any type. They aren't easy early game, of course. 02:01 just thinking of food problems makes me anxious. 02:02 even fictional ones 02:03 I guess as a snow nymph you can't steal your own iron ball? 02:04 Not steal per se 02:04 Nymphs' #monster command can undo iron chains 02:04 Dunno if that's given to the yukionna though 02:05 <@malor> if it does that, I didn't know about ๐Ÿ™‚ I was lucky though a rock mole ate my chain fairly early on! 02:06 -!- attie has quit [Quit: gone afk] 02:06 lol. 02:07 <@malor> I didn't know that was possible either ๐Ÿ™‚ I was kitting it and it ate my chain while moving toward me ๐Ÿ™‚ 02:08 hah, that's awesome 02:09 <@riker> you can lol 02:09 <@riker> just #monster immediately 02:10 lol 02:11 <@malor> I didn't even know #monster existed for Yukki ๐Ÿ™‚ And I've ascended 7 times with Yukki ๐Ÿ™‚ 02:12 conduct! 02:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 godhands", on T:21111 02:17 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:30 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 965 points, T:2163, killed by a piranha 02:40 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 02:45 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:52 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:56 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 231 points, T:656, killed by a wounded hobbit 03:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 847 points, T:1781, killed by a hobbit rogue 03:20 * Umbire noms aoei 03:20 aaaaa 03:20 aoei: Message from Umbire at 2021-01-28 00:24 EST: >be me >go one floor below Minetown because I trust my luck >literally find another BoH on the floor followed by a third as a giant spider death drop 03:20 :3 03:21 * aoei runs around with a bite shaped hole someplace 03:22 * Umbire puts it back 03:23 k 03:23 nice 03:23 also 3 BoHs huh 03:23 what you gonna use all those for 03:24 Fuck if I know 03:24 besides obvious stashing 03:26 polypile for markers :3 03:27 You know what to do. 03:27 Put one of them in the other. 03:27 relatively small chance, but unlike wishing wand which is not polypilable (same chance per wand as marker has per tool), markers are polypilable as long as the tool you're polying is still magic 03:27 It's worth a shot. 03:27 But you literally can't produce a want of wishing by polypiling at all 03:28 yeah thats what i said 03:28 * aoei smacks Andrio with a trout 03:28 I probably misunderstood then 03:28 * Andrio steals the trout and eats it. 03:29 i thought "unlike wishing wand whichis not polypilable" was fairly clear :P 03:29 It is... except for what came after that 03:29 ah right 03:29 i just meant the normal item generation chance 03:29 ah 03:29 it's actually the same for markers (0.5% of tools) 03:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1211 03:30 as it is for wishing wand (0.5% of floor wands) 03:30 or container wands 03:30 but it's polypile excluded 03:30 I'll contain *your* wand 03:30 * Umbire cubes 03:30 rofl 03:30 that's a bit suggestive hahahaha 03:30 anywho 03:31 comr is rarer than wow 03:31 a fact luxidream likes to go on about 03:31 it's 0.2% of armour, whereas wow is 0.5% of wands 03:32 it's actually even less of the total armour you see, cuz monsters never start with them unless they're priests 03:32 so as a fraction of all the armour you find in a game it's even smaller than 0.2% 03:33 Yeah someone in the Discord was talking about their inability to snag one 03:33 Blew all their wishes trying and failing to get MBane, not realizing they'd gen'd a lot of artis until after the fact 03:33 polypiling hasn't worked out for them :/ 03:33 oh jeez 03:33 polypiling for a comr is also hard 03:34 because similar rules to polypiling for markers 03:34 it has to be magical armour to poly to magical armour 03:34 and has a chance to either disappear or turn to non-magicla 03:38 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 Blessed scrolls of charging", on T:2499 03:44 [hdf-au] [nh4] Gnomie (PeachMuffin) (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 14752 points, T:175, killed by a boulder 03:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:2502 03:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2505 03:59 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible nabru's ghost, the former Novice, on T:2025 03:59 Fricking frick! 04:01 nabru: This is an impossible bones! 04:01 lol 04:01 Elf-with-a-wand-of-death. 04:02 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:03 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 04:05 Miraculously... Survived. 04:06 whew 04:06 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1589 points, T:2103, killed by a rothe 04:06 Or not. 04:07 After being zapped like, 3 times, I didn't have much HP left. 04:07 And upstairs had a paper golem that got generated right next to the stairs, so had to get back down again. So that level is maybe a double-bones now. 04:08 The MR will be helpful for the next victim, anyway. 04:10 if you have MR why is a death wand a problem 04:10 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 04:11 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:515 04:11 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 673 points, T:517, killed by a dog called Lucy 04:11 aoei: Because in evilhack, it's partial. 04:11 ohhh right 04:11 scary 04:12 lol 04:13 aoei: It's not that bad, really. 04:13 aoei: However, I was also an early-game char. 04:14 fairplay 04:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 631 points, T:926, killed by a kobold lord 04:17 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:18 I still struggle greatly with avoiding getting into tough spots in the first place. :( 04:19 :c 04:19 * aoei pats Arahael 04:19 play vanilla 04:19 it's easier :D 04:19 Heh. 04:25 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 522 points, T:1458, killed by a jumping spider, while fainted from lack of food 04:26 aoei: Now trying vanilla. 04:26 monk or summat new 04:28 I've moved onto wizards.d 04:28 Illithid wizard in evil, and elf wizard in vanilla. 04:29 niec 04:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:22745 04:30 elf wiz is a bit of a tricky choice tho, high early game splat rate 04:30 but easier entry to castle so good for speedrunning 04:30 consider trying orc wiz 04:30 since fewer stat points get absorbed by int (capped at 16), they tend to be stronger and more robust 04:31 Why are they easier to splat? 04:31 They have higher int, thoug, I think, which means more likely to have hungerless casting. 04:34 if you eat monsters the hungerless casting thing isn't such a big deal 04:34 for vegans its an issue mabye 04:34 int he early game 04:34 elf wiz has a shit hp bar 04:34 since orc wiz is likely to have higher con, better hp b ar 04:34 It's more that it's the most similar to illithid, and I'm trying to get good at illithid. 04:34 that's fair 04:34 im just explaining your options 04:35 i didn't play orc wiz for years 04:35 but they're massively underrated imo 04:35 like, int 20 doesn't really matter that much actually 04:35 and orcs can eat anything (within reason) 04:35 and early game survivability is really imporant in nethack 04:35 plus orcs start with pr 04:35 so they won't be killed as easily by bees and spiders 04:35 soldier ants will still fuck you up 04:36 * tinklebear shakes fist 04:36 lol 04:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1766 04:36 Illithid is *really* hard to play, it seems. 04:37 Elf in vanilla by contrast seems easy. 04:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Mal Neu) averted death, on T:23106 04:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Mal Neu) killed Oona, on T:23115 04:38 very low con and str caps makes Illithid difficult 04:38 low hp growth and carrying stuff is a pain 04:39 Yep. Good spellcasting, though. Really good spellcasting. 04:40 Got used to low str, though, curiously enough. 04:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2641 points, T:2074, killed by an uninjured soldier ant 04:41 ^^ Got careless. Dark mines, but I had candles. Didn't use them. I should've. 04:44 mobileuser: Also, they freak out whenever a ghost appears, making bones levels extra tough. 04:46 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 04:48 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:48 but that is not specific to illithid? 04:49 as long as you haven't got see invisible, you need some way to blind yourself 04:50 [hdf-us] [slshm] aux (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 2913 points, T:2323, killed by a kitten 04:50 mobileuser: Ah, that's an interesting idea, I somehow didn't think of that. 04:58 I wonder, does the jumping spell allow you to jump while stressed? 04:58 I want to get a heavy container past a magic trap... 04:59 jumping boots don't allow it 05:00 wiki suggests it's possible with the spell 05:02 ah nice! 05:04 "You freed me!" dammit 05:05 YASI: we can imprison peaceful djinnis in oil lamps 05:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "blessed spellbook of jumping", on T:52048 05:09 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1219 points, T:1674, killed by a wounded wolf 05:15 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1967 points, T:1564, killed by a killer bee 05:26 Ok, I'm done for the day. :) 05:26 fair enough 05:26 what time is it down unda 05:26 aoei: You were way too quick to agree! :D 05:26 is it the arvoo 05:26 9:30pm. 05:26 what do you call the evening 05:26 is it the evo 05:27 Arvo. 05:27 Oh, evening. 05:28 Not sure actually! 05:28 :O 05:29 One thing's for sure, though: I'd love to have the LG 38WN95C-W 38in 05:29 Not much chance, at this stage, though. That's a bloody expensive monitor, and even then, it's also out of stock. 05:30 are you throwing that out here in case one of us is like 05:30 'oh hey arahael, no worries, I'll buy you it right now' 05:30 :P 05:30 im always hoping that 05:30 every time i whinge about being broke in here 05:30 I'd LOVE to have a mansion 05:30 (unrelated) 05:31 amateurhour: Well... Yes... I mean, the chance of that happening *is* non-zero, surely? 05:31 maybe i should learn to play bass 05:31 and Davie504 will gift me 20 subs 05:31 on twitch 05:31 lol 05:31 Meh, mansions have a lot of upkeep. Way too big. 05:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed Cerberus, on T:52221 05:31 amateurhour: I did have a relative live in one for a bit, actually, though I didn't talk to her much about it. 05:31 amateurhour: here let me gift you all these fake yendorian dollars 05:31 i used a lot of zorkmids to convert 05:32 to this finef currency for you 05:32 * aoei hands amateurhour a huge wad of cash 05:32 maybe u can buy a mansion with those 05:33 keeping my eye on the property market in minetown 05:33 noice 05:33 heard a rumour that some orcs are planning on attacking the town though, so might wait it out 05:34 just get a house in orcustown 05:34 They leave a bloody mess, though. 05:34 houses are CHEAP there 05:34 not sure why 05:34 YEah, it's weird. 05:34 Orcustown has fewer rats. 05:34 right?! 05:35 maybe the prices are so cheap because of the superstition 05:35 That's got to be it. 05:35 probably 05:35 but everyone knows ghosts, shades, and animated skellingtons can't possibly be real 05:35 just don't let your kids play with that dude at the corner 05:35 yeah 05:36 what, old Dorkus? 05:36 Merlek: Always teach your kids about stranger danger. 05:36 im sure he's harmless 05:36 :D 05:36 aoei: I hear he likes to show his "wand", though. Very suss dude. 05:36 ick 05:36 for real 05:36 Yeah. 05:36 thats gross man 05:36 yea keep ur kids away from that freak 05:36 Destroys lives. 05:36 :| 05:38 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 05:39 The tin-foil hat kids seems to play nice with him though. 05:39 jesus i look away for a second and it got really dark 05:39 lol 05:39 amateurhour: hahahaha 05:43 exactly what the parents of those poor kids said! 05:44 who are these tin-foil hat kids tho 05:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) became the Pirate King, on T:27234 05:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) entered Gehennom, on T:52369 05:48 kids of parent's believing the deep state are trafficking underage gnomes. 05:48 orite 05:48 those ones 05:48 ofc 05:48 :P 05:51 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 05:51 aw yeah 05:51 i got setseed working 05:51 gz 05:53 sick 05:54 Hi peeps 05:54 Had to AFK for a while 05:54 !rng food | more tea | walkies 05:54 aoei: food 05:54 okey Beholder tahts probs a good idea 05:54 how's this morning treating ya? 05:54 i applied for a job i was agonising over for like 2 weeks 05:54 so pretty amazing 05:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed the invisible Grue, on T:27868 05:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof stethoscope", on T:79032 05:58 wat 05:58 you wished for a stethoscope? 05:58 seems like a weird wish idk 05:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof saddle", on T:79033 05:58 do you have a large excess of them 06:00 aoei: three wands, and three magic lamps. 06:00 wow 06:00 Yes, that's the usual acronym - Wand Of Wishing. 06:00 go figure. 06:00 Arahael: lol! 06:00 tinklebear: im jelly 06:00 I'm very jealous. 06:00 I really don't do a lot of wishing... so when I do, I just wish for crap that strikes my fancy 06:01 ah okay 06:01 fair enough lol 06:01 tinklebear: If I had that many wishes, I'd be wishing for a bunch of artifacts, and a ton of magic markers for enchant armour. 06:01 if i had that many wishes i'd ascend sub-5k 06:01 but you're already nearly at 80k so 06:01 That may well be why he has so many. ;) 06:01 yes that wasn't lost on me lmao 06:02 stethoscope is a good wish if RNG keeps refusing to give you one 06:02 you can polypile for it tho 06:02 it's non-magical 06:02 two wands on Death Valley floor, one from castle 06:02 just collect random tools and polypile 06:02 well, not if you play polyless 06:02 wow TWO wows on rng floor?? 06:02 mobileuser: true fair point 06:02 poly is quite broken, it's an underrated conduct actually 06:03 aoei: i'm going to try to keep polypileless (and some others) 06:03 fair 06:03 yeah, two on the floor. pretty surprised to see the second one 06:04 Poly is awesome, but getting enough poly wands or spellbook of poly is sometimes tricky. 06:04 well 06:04 you can do a fair bit of polypiling if you find just one wand 06:04 since you can recahrge them 06:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2229 06:09 If you have charging. 06:10 unless you're wishless you're gonna wish for charging or polypile for it for hte castle wand lol 06:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:79199 06:20 now that's what i call a wish B^) 06:21 was going to wish for wizard lock spellbook, just to annoy you 06:22 hahaa 06:22 wish for a wand of nothing named nya nya aoei you cant stop me 06:22 what would be the whackiest wish? 06:25 Probably the blessed +3 Email of Silv Erdra Gonscal 06:26 good use of "of inversion" :D 06:26 or i guess that's of uninversion 06:26 I once wished for a blessed unicorn horn. 06:26 As my first wish. 06:27 i wonder what my first ever wish was 06:27 it was too long ago to remember, but i'm sure it would be funny to me now 06:27 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:29283 06:28 infinigon: I don't mean my first-ever wish, just teh first in that game! 06:28 yeah, i got that 06:28 but i do wonder about the first-ever wish 06:29 All I can remember was that I used a monk wish spoiler for my first-ever wish. 06:29 I think my first ever wish was SDSM, I remember agonising over the wiki article 06:29 I seem to think it was an artifact that I wished for. 06:30 was it this page by any chance? http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/monk_faq.html 06:30 i remember that for the longest time i knew how to dip things into holy water, but not how to make it 06:30 Very probably. 06:30 i suspect my first wish was for holy water 06:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:4434 06:31 <@luxidream> used to fountain scum for sdsm and lose anyway because wiki tells you to go to soko first 06:31 before 3.6 soko was e z mode to be fair 06:32 <@luxidream> Didnโ€™t win until I got a wow 06:32 yeah, same here i think 06:36 ok, so setseed works with some quirks 06:37 dungeon layout is now consistent 06:37 initial monsters and items are exp dependent so still not consistent (nothing i can do about monsters, want to see what i can do about the items tho) 06:37 also turns out options parsing happens before new character creation 06:38 so with a set seed, the "random" character is also consistent 06:38 which might actually be a fun/useful property for tournaments or whatever, idk 06:45 <@luxidream> oo 06:48 <@luxidream> I'd be down for a random character race 06:48 <@luxidream> how are initial items exp dependent? enchantment? 06:48 <@luxidream> where max enchantment can increase with your level 06:48 <@luxidream> that's the only effect I can think of 06:49 no, they're not actually exp dependent is the thing 06:49 but they're not consistent betewen runs because item and monster generation is interleaved 06:49 and the number of times the monster generation advances the rng depends on which monsters get generated 06:49 which is exp dependent 06:49 ah... 06:49 that's tricky 06:49 so i need to tease out specifically the item generation to use the special stable rng stream 06:50 <@luxidream> ah I see 06:50 <@luxidream> so right now both players could get different shops 06:50 infinigon u seem good at this shit tho :o 06:51 shops would be in the same location but with diff items? 06:51 yeah, that's right 06:51 i think it's possible to fix though. 06:51 cool 06:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:15647 06:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:15673 06:54 <@malor> The Nethack scoreboard has stopped updating about a day ago. You may know this aoei but in case you didnโ€™t ๐Ÿ™‚ 06:54 wait what 06:55 it should be running i have to check the logs 06:56 ah i see why 06:56 thakns for the heads up malor 06:56 <@malor> I enjoy checking your site out so i am happy to lend a tiny assist ๐Ÿ™‚ 06:57 noice 06:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed the invisible Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:30312 06:58 should hopefully be fixed now, will wait for the next scheduled run and see if there are any new errors cropping up lol 06:58 RNG manip brainstorming is super fun 07:00 @malor do you know where the github site is incase you find more detailed bugs or something at some point 07:00 theres also #nhs-dev which now has a bot for github announces :> 07:01 <@malor> No I wasnโ€™t aware of either 07:01 * aoei is done pluggin the scoreboard 07:01 #nhs-dev has no discord bridge though currently 07:01 its just on irc 07:02 github is https://github.com/aoeixsz4/nhs-fork 07:02 <@malor> Ok 07:02 incase you want to submit bugs there as issues 07:02 for just "its not updating" here is fine 07:02 i think 07:03 <@malor> Saying something here has worked for me so far ๐Ÿ™‚ 07:03 hahaha 07:03 fair enough lol 07:03 i dont mind too much either way either 07:03 altho github issues stay there and my memory is swiss cheese 07:04 i will forget some things reported via chat 07:04 Umbire: I'm all ears :) 07:04 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 07:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 07:04 Nuh? 07:05 I was just commenting that it's fun 07:05 I don't do much myself, not a speedrunner, let alone on that level 07:05 infinigon: i had this idea about linking the seeds of two games but that might be way overcomplicated 07:05 (but maybe someday...) 07:05 hi ais 07:05 infinigon: i also considered briefly setting xl-based generation to the higher xl of the two players 07:05 but again linking two separate games like tha tis probably a minefield 07:05 aoei: This is HDF's scoreboard right? 07:05 Umbire: no 07:05 <@luxidream> that's so unfair aoei 07:05 hdf has its own scoreboard 07:05 o 07:06 NAO? 07:06 Alt? 07:06 <@luxidream> why should monster diff increase for one player because of the other 07:06 no my one 07:06 https://nethackscoreboard.org/ 07:06 oh just one you run on the side? 07:06 luxidream true 07:06 yeah Umbire 07:06 Mandevil wrote most of it 07:06 it's also in the #NetHack topic 07:06 ooh! 07:06 im surprised you were unaware lol 07:06 where's the ATT article for the nethack scoreboard, huh?! 07:06 anyway I took over most of the maintenance and dev after Mandevil retired, elenmirie_ and mobileuser are also officially responsible 07:07 they help me brainstorm mainly 07:07 as do many other people 07:07 unofficially 07:08 aoei: https://allthetropes.org/w/index.php?title=NetHack&diff=1864469&oldid=1864460 07:08 amateurhour: ^ 07:09 oh neat 07:09 NHS also has scores from all variants 07:09 can be a bit tricky to keep up with, i think some of hte conduct fields are still broken for splicehack and dynahack for exmaple 07:10 and the first to ascend pages for certain variants like dNetHack are a total mess 07:10 i tend to focus mainly on vanilla because i dont play variants enough myself lol 07:11 Aye 07:11 Time to power nap and then resume my work, fill out some apps 07:11 kay cya Umbire 07:12 * Umbire throws hearts at everyone present 07:12 yay 07:12 one IRC im on has this command ~lovebomb 07:12 whidch does this: <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 <3 07:12 i mean a bot has that command i should say 07:13 โ™ฅ 07:13 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2021-01-23 05:03 EST: FIQHack doesn't have autotravel because I don't think it would work well in NetHack context with monster generation 07:13 ais523: are you still working on aimake? 07:13 oh, you mean interlevel autotravel 07:13 even 3.4.3 has _ 07:13 _ isn't auto in the sense most people mean 07:13 it's fast travel 07:14 there is a sort of autotravel with _x. but it's janky af 07:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 390 points, T:813, killed by an uninjured orc zombie 07:15 -!- ais523 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:16 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 07:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 07:18 I wish there was a handsome and brave and charming devteam member that would add a sane autoplore command 07:19 * amateurhour slides over 1 zorkmid 07:19 for there to be a sane one in my eye it'd just need to make us walk into the first unexplored square 07:19 amateurhour: you know bhaak's swiss right 07:19 he's not gonna get out of bed for less than 3 zorkmids 07:19 and we could just repeat it with ^A 07:20 <@luxidream> I wish there was a handsome and brave and charming devteam member that would remove secret doors 07:20 lol 07:20 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:20 i wish there was a handsome, brave, charming and heroic devteam member that would remove instant death from poison 07:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:31250 07:21 actually i think last time i asked him that he just said play un lol 07:21 xnh removed that too 07:21 nice 07:21 you all know where you can get those features 07:21 bhaak: port them to vanilla :c 07:22 strong-arm the other devteam members 07:22 * amateurhour slides over 3 zorkmids 07:22 blackmail them 07:22 whatever you have to do 07:22 I'm mostly porting vanilla to unnethack at the moment :) 07:22 okey :( 07:22 * aoei might play un a bit more actually 07:22 flipped sokobad :'( 07:22 it looks pretty cool 07:22 the biggest chunk missing are the status colors 07:22 lol quit your sokobad whining 07:22 never! 07:23 fair enough 07:23 continue 07:23 as you were 07:23 * tinklebear is trying to wind down to sleep, but you guys are too funny 07:23 oh shit 07:23 we better stop being funny 07:23 tinklebear needs to sleep 07:23 i have to head out anyway tbh 07:24 i have no bank card so i have to physically walk to the bank to get my CASH MONEY 07:24 good luck out there 07:25 my bank is also liek a 3 hour walk away lmao 07:25 will be like an adventure :> 07:25 <@luxidream> use bike 07:25 my bike got stolen 07:25 i have no bike 07:25 <@luxidream> ๐Ÿ˜ฆ 07:25 yeah it was an '81 peugot too 07:26 really cool very light racer 07:26 i was dumb and left it locked in a place for a really long time 07:26 <@malor> aoei - the first to ascend for dnethack has been great! I have tailored my "new games" around trying for them pretty much every time ๐Ÿ™‚ 07:27 ok nice im glad you like it hehe 07:27 that was all Mandevil really i haven't plaeyd with that part 07:27 i think its mostly fine except the UI is a bit weird looking 07:28 <@malor> what language is all of that in? 07:28 <@malor> the underlying code for it, I mean. 07:28 and some variants don't have up to date allowed combinations defined in the json file where all this is put 07:28 its perl 07:28 but i want a new frontend in golang for funs 07:29 i was meaning to read the go tour and look at possible frameworks today 07:31 do u code malor 07:33 <@malor> yes, and one of my main languages is "perl" ironically enough ๐Ÿ™‚ 07:33 okey nice you can be my new dev member 07:33 welcoem aboard 07:33 altho tbf im planning to move it away from perl lol 07:34 but in little bits and peaces gradually 07:34 anyway later y'all 07:34 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:34 later 07:35 <@malor> fyi aoei, no updates have appeared on the scroeboard yet. 07:35 oh lmao i forgot to check that myself 07:35 lets see what the new erorr is 07:36 -!- attie has quit [Quit: gone afk] 07:36 <@malor> also I'd be happy to be a dev member. There was a different view I've had in mind for a while that I would enjoy adding to the site, if you'd like. Being in perl I should be able to whip it out quickly. 07:37 Go Team Perl! :-) 07:37 @malor: cool! 07:37 well the source is up there on the github thing i linked, live branch is what's actually being run on teh site 07:38 dev i use for new features 07:38 what was perl 6 renamed to again? 07:38 ignore devel, that's an old prototype for a frontend 07:38 something like ragu 07:38 Raku 07:38 have you tried it? any good? 07:39 I haven't, but as I understand it, it largely withered on the vine because Perl 5 is BALGE (and fairly steadily improved since 5.0...) 07:39 @malor: i'll be happy to answer any questions you have but basically most of the pages are generated by nhdb-stats.pl 07:39 (by and large good enough) 07:40 And much of the appeal of Perl is they don't fuck up backwards compatibility Python-style, and when it was still Perl 6 that was going to be less true 07:40 so you can look at some like sub gen_page_somethingorwhat as an example etc 07:40 Pinkbeast: ahh 07:40 Most Perl 4 scripts still work, even 07:40 <@malor> I've downloaded the source and am looking at it now. 07:40 yeah perl is pretty cool actually, im just fussy and want to try out new things 07:41 I fear change 07:41 (and I will never get used to or like that damn whitespace thing in Python) 07:42 i share with you the dislike of python's failure to backwards compat 07:42 and the weird whitespace thing 07:42 right now im interested in go and rust 07:42 and js 07:42 My serious programmer friends are keen on Rust 07:42 you have other serious programmer friends? :o 07:43 can i be rust buddies with your buds? 07:43 I'm a nerd who lives in Cambridge :-) 07:43 lol! 07:43 i didn't know enough nerds when i was growing up there 07:43 maybe its not so bad when you stick around longer 07:43 Town and gown don't always meet, too 07:43 god i hate that expression lol 07:44 my brother used to crash uni balls hahaha 07:44 <@malor> so the "gen_page" subroutines run in real time as someone goes to the appropriate page, is that right, aoei? 07:44 LOL 07:44 It is an odd one; I've never so much as _worn_ a gown since coming here 07:44 sadly no 07:44 it generates static html files 07:44 and is run on a timer every 5 minutes 07:44 Pinkbeast: it sounds horridly elitist to me also 07:45 <@malor> for every page that could exist? i.e. every player X variant-played? I guess that is probably under 10,000 so not that bad. 07:45 malor: branch "devel" contains a prototype for a version like what you just described, using this perl frontend framework called Mojo 07:45 Not my intent, although I see it, it just says in 3 syllables what would otherwise take more 07:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:11842 07:46 @malor: I could count them if you like 07:46 Pinkbeast: i meant that in a more abstract sense 07:46 i don't fault you for using it 07:46 i jsut think the actual phrase itself is a bit dodgy 07:46 I think the person I know who's keenest on Rust is Ian "dpkg" Jackson 07:46 again name dropping with the famous people rofl 07:46 (incidentally, if your brother crashed even one ball, he's been to more than me :-) 07:46 who else do you know 07:46 <@malor> so that is what it does? It creates 10k-ish pages every 5 minutes? 07:46 oh nah lol 07:46 its not quit ethat bad 07:47 it updates on new info 07:47 Simon Tatham, "the internet's most famous anosmic"? 07:47 still vaguely bothers me that there are an absurd number of player files, a large portio of which never see the light of a browser 07:47 Pinkbeast: i already know you know the putty guy 07:48 hey do we all get nicknames for stuff we've made? 07:48 amateur "hello world" hour 07:48 <@malor> ok, that's pretty good then. I don't see a reason to do "better" than that. I check the site out a lot when I'm playing and it updates really nicely 99.9% of the time. Site is updated now, fyi. 07:48 It seems very odd to think of Ian as "famous", I've seen him in his underpants brushing his teeth 07:48 yeah i know it's working now 07:48 you may not see a reason but i sure do malor 07:49 because sometimes maintenance requries regenrating all 150k player pages for big changes 07:49 and it's annoying and does take some time 07:49 and yeah it's 150k player pages 07:49 i just checked 07:49 that's the full set currently 07:50 your 10k estimate was just a little off :) 07:51 amateurhour: I think hello world has already been written :-) 07:51 <@malor> that's an interesting bit of trivia ๐Ÿ™‚ "How many unique Player times Variant games have there been" ๐Ÿ™‚ I was off by less than the normal weekly movement of "Game Stop stock" :). So close enough ๐Ÿ™‚ 07:51 hahaha 07:51 players who have played only vanilla get two pages, one .all.html and one .nh.html 07:51 players who played more variants get more pages 07:51 <@malor> right. 07:52 <@malor> Do you have every game EVER stored in the database? I assume "yes" otherwise some of this data would be tough to re-determine. 07:52 yup 07:52 and the xlogfiles are kept in perpetuity 07:52 so that the db can be regenerated if necessary for any reason 07:52 <@malor> so that also multiplies the complexity of the "page generation" by a little bit, since prolific players would have a lot of game files to parse "per page". 07:53 right 07:53 db aggregator also runs every five mins and checks URLs for the live xlogs for live sources 07:53 scans any new entries, parsing and adding to the database 07:53 <@malor> What routines parse the game-data? That will also let me understand the db schema a bit better. 07:54 gimme a sec 07:54 sql_insert_games in nhdb-feeder.pl is pretty key 07:55 Gosh, I'm on a streak. :-) 07:55 i should really get out if i have a hope of finding an open bank to get some money today 07:55 <@malor> kk. 07:55 cya malor have fun hacking 07:55 <@malor> Let me stop delaying you then ๐Ÿ™‚ 07:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 45 points, T:130, killed by an uninjured goblin 07:59 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "doot doodle a doot do"] 08:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 232 points, T:933, killed by a wounded acid blob 08:06 <@Joanna> Actually you can also ping me here I guess 08:07 <@Joanna> Just incase you have questions @malor 08:11 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Minetown temple, on T:1774 08:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:13710 08:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1850 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Bar Hum Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:12734 08:34 I read that as "blew up Mine Town" and wondered how :-) 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 18644 points, T:15258, killed by a wounded hallucinogen-distorted xorn 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:9482 08:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9580 08:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5074 08:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:34714 08:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Brd Vam Mal Cha), 1114 points, T:567, killed by a small crossbow bolt 08:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5392 08:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7804 points, T:5444, poisoned by a killer bee 08:45 -!- amateurh1ur has joined #hardfought 08:45 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wished for "magic chest", on T:35239 09:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3394 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:12071 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:12084 09:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:4313 09:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3796 points, T:4228, killed by a cone of cold 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:4463 09:13 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 18531 points, T:5883, killed by an ettin mummy 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:4645 09:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful housecat, on T:4646 09:17 -!- K2 is now known as EvilBot 09:18 -!- EvilBot is now known as K2 09:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered Marcus, her faithful kitten, on T:128 09:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 46 points, T:137, killed by an uninjured sewer rat 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5069 09:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27320 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5564 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5564 09:25 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed Mother Hydra, on T:36149 09:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:1147 09:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Law), 1213 points, T:1234, killed by a bolt of cold 09:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) wished for "Cursed Fixed +3 Katana named Fire Brand", on T:27670 09:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed Father Dagon, on T:36195 09:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 33557 points, T:13518, killed by a wounded jabberwock 09:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:5928 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:24128 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a jellyfish, on T:12410 09:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed the invisible Great Cthulhu, on T:36548 09:45 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 09:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6932 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class N), on T:25014 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 31820 points, T:12795, killed by an uninjured soldier ant, while dressing up 09:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 windrider", on T:37205 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wraith, on T:29454 10:00 <@Sicarius> ppl chatting about perl 10:00 <@Sicarius> smh my head 10:00 <@Sicarius> just use python 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Priest, on T:6819 10:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:37403 10:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7258 10:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) wished for "Fixed +3 Bone Gauntlets of Power", on T:29605 10:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hill (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:22532 10:22 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:23 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:10959 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:45096 10:27 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed Shelob, on T:38530 10:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:38637 10:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed the invisible Lungorthin, on T:38718 10:36 <@FIQ> bhaak: wait you're working on un? 10:36 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of riding gloves entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:10120 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:45311 10:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:45313 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1330 points, T:2546, killed by an uninjured wolf 10:59 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:14534 11:00 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11210 11:04 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 11738 points, T:10628, zombified by an orc zombie 11:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:10 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 11:12 -!- stenno2 has quit [Read 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11:28 @FIQ yes? 11:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 286 points, T:744, killed by a crossbow bolt 11:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 269 points, T:802, killed by a crossbow bolt 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 1246 points, T:2222, killed by a wand 11:39 !whereis omghax 11:39 K2: [hdf-us] omghax [evil]: (Inf Hum Mal Una) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 (with Amulet) 11:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible karibou's ghost, the former Pilferer, on T:17894 11:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3075 11:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4393 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:27988 11:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4692 11:57 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) had a silver banded mail entrusted to her by Kos, on T:32318 12:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5140 12:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5140 12:03 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 12:04 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 12:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5320 points, T:5519, killed by a barely wounded priest of Anhur 12:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class ;), on T:21621 12:05 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 12:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:07 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:16 -!- talkingleaf has joined #hardfought 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3461 12:20 <@luxidream> !pom 12:20 @luxidream: The moon is full for 3 more days. 12:20 <@luxidream> owo 12:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Dagon, on T:30955 12:22 :o 12:23 !who 12:23 K2: [hdf-us] Bourne [dyn] VaderFLAG [evil] Frozty [nh370] Deathsushi [nh370] tsingi [nh370] Bartlem [nh370] malor6 [dnh] Som [dnh] | [hdf-eu] APic [nh370] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4290 12:25 Given that elven leather helms burn up in end game, am I better off enchanting and using a helm of telepathy, or sticking with the leather helm and just trying to buff it's enchantment and not worrying about it being burnt? 12:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Dispater, on T:30969 12:26 Latter, you only lose 1 AC from it being burnt 12:26 But if it's important to you in some way then fireproofing is worthwhile 12:26 What's the role/race/etc. 12:26 Ah got it 12:26 Valk, Dwarf 12:26 (lawful) 12:26 Then your mental stats won't be a major factor anyway 12:27 Right, so go leather helm and enhance it? 12:27 Yeah, can be safely pushed to +5 with 0 risk of poofing 12:27 like other elven stuff 12:27 Right. And how do I fireproof something? 12:28 Enchant armor while confused 12:28 Ah cool 12:28 Thank you! 12:29 <@luxidream> the helm of telepathy seems slightly more useful to me 12:29 <@luxidream> it gives extrinsic telepathy like an amulet of esp 12:29 I have intrinsic, but I suppose that's not as good, since you have to keep using/unusing blindfold? 12:29 wait telepathy 12:29 why did I think brilliance 6_9 12:30 yeah that's honestly better 12:30 Okay, good to know 12:30 this is why I sleep in 12:30 :B 12:30 <@luxidream> it's not worth a wish, but probably worth using if you find it 12:31 Ye 12:31 I've got it 12:31 Just wasn't sure if I was better off going for the higher enchantment available on the leather helm 12:31 And lighter weight 12:32 I mean you're a dwarf, carrying cap shouldn't be a problem 12:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:22922 12:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42638 12:33 Beholder: That's actually a Lie 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] molarity2 (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 30 points, T:254, killed by an uninjured succubus of Set 12:33 ur a lie 12:33 โ†’ The black dragon breathes a disintegration blast! Croesus is disintegrated! 12:33 !whereis 12:33 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 12:33 The man's still dead through your machinations 12:33 Don't shoot the messenger 12:34 I am not to blame that the Black Dragon is very stupid and does not notice Creatures in its Way ๐Ÿ˜‰ 12:34 It's not stupidity, it's not giving a shit 12:35 That thing wants to poof you, it'll try to poof you 12:35 Still the Dragon killed Croesus 12:35 Can't get simpler than that 12:35 Deathsushi: In any case it's not something you'd go out of the way for like Luxi indicated 12:35 but if you happen across one then hey why not 12:35 Complements your quest arti's warning 12:37 -!- Umbire has quit [K-Lined] 12:37 Cool beans 12:37 Telepathy complements warning? How so? 12:37 Doesn't it make warning irrelevant? 12:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:31014 12:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Mammon, on T:42774 12:39 <@luxidream> deathsushi: warning has a larger range but not by much 12:40 <@luxidream> you're pretty much right 12:42 Ah got it 12:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased mithril stethoscope", on T:42810 12:43 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 12:45 -!- Umbire is now known as Umby 12:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed the creature in the ice, on T:31415 12:46 -!- Umby is now known as Umbyre 12:46 -!- Umbyre is now known as Umbire 12:49 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2072 points, T:6085, killed by a mumak 12:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:51 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:20210 12:52 -!- Umbire is now known as Umby 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4510 12:53 -!- Umby is now known as Umbire 12:55 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:17481 12:56 Once I've maxed out my protection from priests, is there any reason to continue carrying gold? 12:57 Outside of "in case I lose it", none that I can think of 12:57 Actually I lied 12:57 Depends on if you wanna bribe a couple demon princes or not 12:57 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Val Hum Fem Law), 2388 points, T:2558, killed by a soldier ant 12:57 Go team a! 12:58 Beyond that, outside of a "lost my protection" blunder it's not that necessary 13:02 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:4789 13:04 <@luxidream> clairvoyance 13:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed Malcanthet, on T:43565 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Curate, on T:12039 13:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 563 points, T:2694, killed by an aklys 13:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4121 13:09 6_9 yes, that too 13:09 maybe I should just resume wiki editing, I'm clearly not all together rn 13:09 lol 13:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Neu) killed Glasya, on T:43776 13:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given Tensa Zangetsu, on T:5686 13:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given Frost Treads, on T:6222 13:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Dro Fem Cha) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:44014 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:36329 13:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given Trollsbane, on T:8479 13:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Dro Mal Neu), 18194 points, T:9291, killed by a dart 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 4121 points, T:5237, killed by a heavily wounded gnome queen 13:25 -!- 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Anhur, on T:1802 13:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2400 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Canoness, on T:13261 13:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:34298 13:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34366 13:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given Epoch's Curve, on T:6974 13:53 <@riker> i don't even have any arrows you stupid god 14:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Dro Mal Neu), 26660 points, T:8589, killed by a gnome 14:04 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 14:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Mother Hydra, on T:34938 14:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Father Dagon, on T:34940 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 55543 points, T:24280, killed by a blast of water 14:07 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:10 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 14:10 -!- oh6 has quit [Client Quit] 14:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:43942 14:11 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8529 points, T:18630, killed by a black unicorn 14:11 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:13681 14:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:44089 14:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:44981 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:37332 14:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 16396 points, T:11147, killed by a wounded leocrotta 14:37 -!- bort13 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 479 points, T:1598, killed by a wounded werejackal 14:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Wiz Dro Mal Neu), 5963 points, T:4004, killed by a dwarf, while praying 14:52 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:53 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:46056 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:46066 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46293 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46304 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:32202 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:32210 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2397 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:46528 15:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6886 15:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Cloak of the Unheld One", on T:16030 15:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:46258 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Necromancer, on T:46646 15:07 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:07 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:32462 15:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) was given Magicbane, on T:7675 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2021 points, T:2823, killed by a nearly deceased gnome 15:09 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:46870 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:46879 15:16 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:38109 15:17 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 15:20 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 15:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:17007 15:26 -!- stenno is now known as chao 15:26 -!- chao is now known as war 15:26 -!- war is now known as this 15:26 -!- this is now known as stennowork 15:26 -!- stennowork is now known as stfu 15:26 -!- sacredchao is now known as Guest242 15:26 -!- Guest242 has quit [Killed (barjavel.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 15:26 -!- stfu is now known as sacredchao 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:33006 15:26 oh oops 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:33012 15:26 -!- Guest242 has joined #hardfought 15:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 486 points, T:1514, killed by a bolt of cold 15:26 -!- sacredchao is now known as stenno 15:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (electric eels), on T:399 15:31 -!- Guest242 is now known as war 15:34 hey stenno 15:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:37178 15:35 stenno: does Feb 7 work for you for race 15:36 <{Demo}> lol the nethack super bowl 15:36 yeah it was aosdict's idea 15:36 <{Demo}> ah 15:36 to hold the race during superbowl as a flex 15:36 lol 15:37 SErious flex 15:37 This is going to be devastating for the organizers of the superbowl 15:37 XD 15:37 Haha 15:38 yeah we will steal a huge portion of their viewerbase im sure 15:38 <@malor> televize it as an alternative to the super bowl ๐Ÿ™‚ 15:38 rofl malor 15:38 <{Demo}> the super bowl is way too mate 15:38 <{Demo}> late 15:38 It's also too mate 15:38 WAY too mate 15:38 <@malor> tape delay? 15:38 <{Demo}> it'll be like, a million o clock over in europe by then 15:38 Bruv? That's way too mate. 15:38 fam that's just bare mate innit 15:40 * Deathsushi begins creating memes so as to push this out to the rest of the internet 15:40 i think its fine 15:40 is that a weekend? 15:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) was given the Cloak of the Unheld One, on T:12508 15:40 next weekend? 15:40 sunday 15:40 ok 15:40 yeah not this sunday but the week after 15:40 presumably sajme time 15:40 6pm 15:40 for us 15:40 ok 15:41 good guy vhaerun giving me that cloak on a random sacfrice. too bad ill be lawful :/ 15:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1293 points, T:2662, killed by a wounded salamander 15:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:6, killed by a nearly deceased fox, while praying 15:42 <{Demo}> wear it until then lol 15:42 <{Demo}> or just never take it off after going traitor 15:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Daemon, on T:38123 15:44 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 15:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 360 points, T:471, killed by a wounded gnome 15:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Glasya, on T:38287 15:45 Why do I want to swap my alignment if I'm lawful, at the end of the game? 15:46 Completely optional 15:46 to cheat the gods with an opp align helm 15:46 I know it's optional 15:46 It's used as speedtech or if you're in a hurry in general 15:46 Just wanting to know the rationale for doing so 15:47 And don't wanna "grand tour" Astral finding the correct altar 15:47 Oh, so you swap to give you a 2/3 chance of hitting the right altar the first time? 15:47 Does it provide any other benefit? 15:47 lol no 15:47 faster ascension 15:47 you get teleported around less as chaotic 15:47 Ah intresting 15:47 oh right, the force is a factor now 15:48 still cooked 15:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:38425 15:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:38434 15:49 K, next question โ€” is there a good reason to keep two bags of holding? 15:49 Seems like a set up for putting one, into the other by accident 15:49 no 15:50 annotate the second one, if you blow up your first one 15:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:14577 15:51 Annotate as in name it? 15:51 Ye 15:51 Or as in list the level where I've stashed it 15:51 name the level its on 15:51 Right, smart. 15:51 Thank you 15:51 Either one works really 15:51 I'm going to do both 15:51 Can stick it in a regular-degular sack 15:51 Belts and suspenders approach 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] molarity2 (Pri Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:476 15:51 A reggie-deggie? 15:51 yezzir 15:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) averted death, on T:38557 15:51 I keep mine in the same sack as my cancellation wand in my current mobile run 15:52 * Umbire is also gonna resume his EvilHack game 15:52 I don't like having a wand of cancellation in any bag, lest I forget and then store bags in bags 15:52 And blow up the universe 15:52 Like a dillhole 15:53 it happens, but its always good to keep a cancel wand around 15:53 Yeah 15:53 I just keep it out of a bag 15:53 Is there a reason I should keep it in one? 15:53 safer 15:53 Oh? How so? 15:53 it wont blow up from shock dmg 15:53 and its harder to put in the boh 15:53 Ah got it. Okay, I'll use a normal sack for that then. Thank you. 15:53 Is there a reason to keep excalibur once I have Mjolnir and a Silver saber? 15:54 (Valk Dwarf) 15:54 excal is better 15:54 But I can't two-weapon excal 15:54 Deathsushi: no but if you poly to elvenmonarch you can hit twice a round with it 15:54 :3 15:54 excal mainhand and silver saber offhand? 15:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Levistus, on T:38706 15:54 right... so aside from thaaaaaat 15:55 Can't hurl excal at enemies as a ranged weapon 15:55 true 15:55 but you can twoweapon excal with silver saber offhand as microla said 15:55 or with any other offhand 15:55 or with itself if you're an elvenmonarch (effectively) 15:55 Can do the same with mjol 15:55 yeah but mjol is bullshit 15:55 Really? 15:55 and destroys all the loot 15:55 allt he best loot 15:55 which is rings and wands 15:55 rings are exploding and wands 15:55 in your enemies invent 15:55 all those free action rings 15:55 which is annoying if you want those rings and wands 15:55 for yourself 15:56 If you're not fussed about that, maining Mjolnir can be fine 15:56 lol 15:56 Excalibur is better in the sense of preserving loot though 15:56 Huh. I thought wisdom was dump excal and keep mjolnir once heading to end game 15:56 Sounds like you guys advocate for the opposite 15:56 excal is so much easier tho, as a valk you can get excal within 2k turns and never have to sac ever. but for crowning 15:56 nah, it's v. situational 15:56 i never heard this wisdom before lol 15:56 lawful valk 15:56 If neutral then yeah, Mjolnir 15:57 If Lawful though, Excal at minimum 15:57 Well, I have both 15:57 I'm trying to decide between the two 15:57 most people prefer excal if they get both tbh 15:57 if i accidentally mojo from saccing when im lawful valk i just leave it on the ground somewhere anyway 15:57 Okay, good to know 15:57 excal is also damage bonus vs everyone 15:57 Mjolnir's advised as a backup 15:57 mojo only vs not-schock res 15:57 altho 15:58 and a lot of dangerous late foes are shock-res 15:58 Umbire: true but weight management and the oof is heavy so idk 15:58 excal also got that nice auto search 15:58 Umbire: right 15:58 e.g. liches and priests 15:58 Stupid oorb 15:58 Liches are genocided 15:58 mojo you don't have to unwield around demon princes if you want to bribe 15:58 taht's only an excal problem 15:58 I'll swap out for excal then 15:58 are liches shock res? 15:58 i thought only cold 15:58 priests are shock res for sure 15:59 oh no they aren't I'm 15:59 fsddfhgjhmytdrtshgjhf 15:59 what was I thinking of 15:59 OH 15:59 it's arch-L specifically that're shock resistant 15:59 ohhhh are they 15:59 rest are fair game 15:59 i didn't realise they got that one 15:59 (and moot point since they're geno'd here) 15:59 and the whole of astral plane are shock res 15:59 Priests and Angels ahoy 15:59 The player monsters might not be, though 16:00 ah interesting 16:00 (that I know of) 16:00 * Umbire waits to be wrong 16:00 and a warhammer is the shittiest base in the game. 16:00 all liches get sleep, cold and poison resist 16:00 like d4/d4 16:00 master and arch additionally get fire res 16:00 arch gets shock too 16:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:33012 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:14980 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:14980 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:14981 16:05 I wonder if this is why I've had such a hard time finding a ring of levitation and teleport control 16:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:13468 16:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed Orb of Fate", on T:14981 16:05 If I can't track these down by the time I'm at Medusa's island, is my play basically to farm for them? 16:06 I guess I can poly pile too? 16:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:39892 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:15138 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Lama, on T:15223 16:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Death, on T:40257 16:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:40313 16:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:40368 16:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 7773734 points, T:40391, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Som/dnethack/dumplog/1611697562.dnh.txt 16:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:54174 16:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:54175 16:20 <{Demo}> pretty sick endgame loadout 16:20 <{Demo}> the weps 16:21 <@malor> Nice job Som 16:21 grats Som! 16:21 Deathsushi: you don't need levi or tele control 16:21 to get past medusa's at least 16:22 you can just dig down 16:23 and you can use confused/cursed uncontrolled tele fairly reliably to get back to dod for the quest 16:23 Ah right 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) had a small shield entrusted to her by Kos, on T:38830 16:26 also after digging down you can go back up stairs, assuming you have a safe way to deal with medusa 16:26 and break perseus statue for hopefully levi boots and reflection shield 16:26 Right 16:26 Well, I've got everything here with a ton of junk, so I might as well try polypiling anyhow 16:31 fair 16:32 -!- Admin__ has joined #hardfought 16:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) murdered her faithful vampire mage, on T:54277 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] molarity2 (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 397 points, T:1533, killed by a wounded hobbit 16:35 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:39536 16:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Nob Dro Fem Cha), 114 points, T:873, killed by Mr. Weliki Oestjoeg, the shopkeeper 16:37 !rng go tour | js book | play nh 16:37 aoei: js book 16:37 okie dokes Beholder 16:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 330123 points, T:15360, petrified by a wounded cockatrice 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:48807 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) had an opera cloak entrusted to her by Kos, on T:39856 16:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha), 1748 points, T:1005, killed by a gnome lord 16:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 774 points, T:2090, killed by an uninjured salamander 16:51 yani - a monster that can move any distance in a straight line, but is otherwise only speed 16. dangerous enough to incentivize evading by changing directions, or using wand of locking 16:51 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:52 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Master Assassin, on T:40529 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40531 16:53 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2596 16:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1331 16:55 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:56 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:57 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3609 16:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:18941 16:59 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 2896 points, T:3640, defeated by a horse 17:01 chess queen monster? 17:01 hehe yea 17:02 that's kinda cool lol 17:06 wtf 17:06 $_$ is a valid variable name in javascript 17:06 looool 17:06 that's bonkers 17:06 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 474 points, T:1115, offed by a large mimic 17:07 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 10 points, T:87, defeated by a newt, while praying 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:40772 17:09 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 17:10 Now what's this about a chess queen? 17:11 infinigon: do you have your changes online? 17:12 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 128 points, T:412, offed by a giant rat 17:12 bhaak: https://gitlab.com/infinigon/nethack/-/commit/05f68b8531c14da635a912234c84576405df4a13 17:13 haven't made any progress on the items-being-exp-dependent issue yet 17:13 but dungeon layout is consistent at least 17:13 and saves work 17:13 the option is OPTION=seed=blah 17:13 Time? @luxidream 17:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 439 points, T:2072, killed by an uninjured salamander 17:14 items are experience dependent? how's that? is that a vanilla thing? 17:14 there's two issues 17:15 1) rne exists and generates numbers in a range depending on exp, this is used for item enchantments afaik 17:15 <@luxidream> 52:51 17:15 <@luxidream> new WR 17:15 (that's quite easy to fix) 17:15 ah, yes. rne. that makes sense 17:15 :O 17:15 grats lux!! 17:15 2) item and monster generation is interleaved, monsters are very much exp dependent and hence the rng is advanced different amounts depending on what exp you are 17:16 luxidream: that's nutty, congratulations 17:16 so now you have sub-1h on stable too :D 17:16 POG 17:17 why have you switched out the rng? 17:17 omg gratz luxidream!! 17:17 grats luxi! crazy impressive 17:17 suck it Adeon 17:17 ooh 17:17 them's fightin' words 17:17 i see fightin' words 17:17 this time he's done it on stable lol 17:18 Adeon is finished lol 17:18 <{Demo}> wait wtf 17:18 @luxidream: Congrats! 17:18 <{Demo}> wow 17:18 <{Demo}> good work luxi 17:18 champion 17:18 <{Demo}> whens that 47 or 48 min speedrun time i was joking about during the race lol 17:18 I'll grab a small carton of Horizon Organic Whole Milk to cope 17:18 K2: can you run a specific nethack version for specific players? 17:18 lmao Adeon 17:18 <@luxidream> I'll drink with you Adeon 17:18 <@luxidream> ๐Ÿฅ› 17:18 * elenmirie__ fetches Adeon's smelling salts 17:18 rofl 17:19 also 52 min is more like 17:19 wtf again!? grats luxi :D amazing! 17:19 *decisively* sub-1h 17:19 not by 10 seconds but almost 10 minutes under 17:19 insane! 17:19 the first sub-1h run was like barely under iirc 17:20 luxidream: congratulations, that's very impressive 17:20 <@luxidream> thanks!! 17:20 :D 17:20 <@luxidream> wasn't expecting that at all haha 17:20 pogchamp 17:20 our hero 17:20 it just... happened 17:20 infinigon, dcss also had trouble with C and C++ having undefined order of evaluation in various places, such as f() + g() and f(g(), h()) 17:22 jilles: interesting, why did it matter, for dcss? does dcss have support for seeded runs? 17:22 dcss supports seeded runs 17:22 ooh, very cool 17:22 do you happen to know how that's implemented? 17:22 if no i'll dig into the code 17:22 these issues arose because games compiled with certain compilers gave slightly different dungeons 17:23 I think they chose about the same approach as you 17:23 with separate RNGs 17:23 bhaak: had to switch out the RNG because isaac's internal state (per PRNG) was quite large, whereas chacha's amortises to one 64-bit counter (most of the bits of which are zeroes, so compresses down super well) 17:23 one counter per PRNG* 17:23 are you saving the state? 17:24 also for chacha it suffices to seed it once, and then you get 2^64 independent PRNG streams out for "free" 17:24 whereas each isaac would need to be seeded separately 17:24 yes, bhaak 17:24 see save_rng_state 17:24 dcss also has some interesting behaviour with dungeon branches: due to the seeding it has to generate all levels in a fixed order 17:24 yeah, then it makes sense 17:25 so if you do levels in a different order than that (which is quite common), you get delays because it has to generate all the in-between levels at that point 17:25 jilles: ah, i think i avoided that problem with this chacha-based PRNG 17:25 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 17:25 levels depend on each other because, for example, an artifact or unique can only be generated once 17:25 what are you trying to accomplish with that? how far can you go with the sameness of a level if you don't go down the road of splitting up everything across multiple rngs like nh4 did? 17:25 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 17:26 when two different players go down to a new level, they have to be at the same point in whatever rng stream is being used to generate that level 17:26 no matter what they did in their games up to that point 17:26 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 17:27 so either you pre-generate *all* the levels ahead of time 17:27 or you stash away a RNG, forbidding it from being used until that point when it needs to be used to generate the level 17:27 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2811 17:27 jilles: if every level has its own rng, you don't have to generate intermediate levles 17:27 also, dcss wants altars to most gods to be available in the first few dungeon levels plus the temple, but not all in the same place 17:27 ah, i see 17:27 that does sound more difficult than nethack's case then 17:28 nethack gets away with not caring about fairness :D 17:28 (temple is a one-level branch containing many altars, but not to all gods) 17:28 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 1682 points, T:2844, quit 17:28 infinigon, how do you deal with artifacts? 17:29 for the artifact problem, it would be nice if you would just get the base item, if the artifact has already been generated elsewhere 17:29 and the other items after the artifact wouldn't be affected 17:29 i think that's how it works already, but i'd have to check 17:29 if the long sword lying on the floor randomly on D:10 is Frost Brand, the long sword in the bottom level of Vlad's Tower can't be Frost Brand 17:29 i have bigger issues to attend to first 17:30 (the items themselves aren't consistent yet because of the issue with monsters and rne) 17:30 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 17:30 Two-shotted this stupid minotaur 17:30 I'm looking forward to zapping myself with a WoD at some point during this run 17:31 <@malor> congrats on fastest realtime Luxi! 17:32 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Dro Fem Cha), 8469 points, T:4429, killed by a piranha 17:33 congrats luxidream 17:33 thanks :o 17:34 oh, there's another weird thing with artifacts 17:35 say you're playing a valk and there's a randomly generated Mjollnir on D:12 17:36 this is not an issue in dcss because dcss doesn't provide guaranteed ways to get certain artifacts 17:37 because of the wishing restriction? 17:37 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 17:37 if Arga is lying in a vault on Depths:5, say, then Okawaru, acquirement, or the like simply won't gift it to you 17:37 it depends on how similar you want the games to be. the same death drop from killing the same monster class as nth kill on that level? 17:38 whether you've been at Depths:5 or not 17:39 bhaak I could I suppose... but why? 17:39 my supermarket is already having "BIG GAME PARTY" sales, so I'm going to take advantage of them and will be very disappointed if the superbowl speedrun competition doesn't happen 17:39 aosdict: oh it's happening 17:39 stenno said yes earlier today 17:40 hah... nethack superbowl 17:40 K2: for the next speedrun battle. if we have a setseed vanilla version by then. 17:40 ah 17:41 explain to me how that would work exactly, I will admit I dont fully grok how setseed would work exactly 17:41 jilles: sorry, I don't think I follow. If there's a randomly generated Mjollnir on D:12, then the valk must have already visited D:12 (otherwise the map wouldn't be generated yet) 17:41 ELI5 17:41 for everyone's benefit 17:41 then, yes, for the rest of the game, there wouldn't be any way for the valk to get mjollnir through altars say, she would have to go pick it up from D:12 17:41 but that's how the game works already 17:42 K2: you know how the usual random number generators are not really random but just complex mathematicals function that give pseudorandom numbers? 17:42 the only subtlety here is if one valk gets mjollnir on D:10, say, and the other valk racer doesn't 17:42 yeah 17:42 now what happens when the both of them get to D:12 17:42 infinigon, yeah, but then the level generation depends on what you've done before 17:42 i think the logical thing (and I believe what happens in vanilla already) is that the first valk gets mjollnir and the second just gets a war hammer spawn 17:42 but, i would have to check 17:43 jilles: yes, exactly. but this only matters *if* generating mjollnir uses a different number of rng calls than generating the war hammer 17:43 perhaps the second valk would get Ogresmasher 17:43 even if it does, as long as the code knows how many rng calls should have been used, it can compensate for it 17:43 but it does make the code a lot less maintainable 17:43 so i've been trying to think of alternative ways 17:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given Epoch's Curve, on T:3556 17:44 but yeah, i see your point, thanks 17:44 K2: so most RNGs are deterministic. start them with the same seed and they will always generate the same numbers. now use a set seed for a nethack game and ensure that at every new level entry, the rng state is re-seeded and voila, you have the same dungeon layout for different players. 17:44 setseed feels quite hard to retrofit, there's going to be lots of little holes that i'm going to discover the hard way 17:44 if the game decides, this item is going to be an artifact, and generates random numbers until it gets one that doesn't exist yet, you have a problem 17:44 jilles: yes. agree. 17:45 one thing i've been playing with the idea of, is allocating each function call an "rng budget" 17:45 huh 17:45 infinigon: can't you take advantage of the rn2_on_rng functionality? 17:45 each function can use or delegate some of its budget to subfunction calls 17:45 K2: of course, it's nethack code, so there a subtle problems (see backlog for examples) but basically that's that. we could even go so far and search for an interesting seed before the start of the game. like certain shops, no orctown, etc. 17:45 where you get a rn2, but on whatever rng you like 17:45 but at the end of the function the rng is advanced to exactly how much the budget claims could have been used 17:45 or you up the artifact chance a little and only give it one shot at an artifact 17:46 aosdict: that's exactly what i'm doing 17:46 in my wip i have 514 RNGs, not just 2 that are in vanilla 17:46 if that artifact already exists, too bad, the item will remain mundane 17:46 yeah, that sounds plausible too jilles 17:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given the Atma Weapon, on T:5017 17:48 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha) had a steel two-handed sword entrusted to her by Kos, on T:41965 17:49 the problem is there are cases in the game where it demands an artifact and absolutely must get one 17:49 there are also weird conditions with barracks not generating if soldiers are extinct or genocided, beehives with killer bees, etc 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:41607 17:50 also, I support removing the XL dependency on rne 17:51 aosdict: for set-seed or in general? 17:51 bhaak when will your realtime display make it into vanilla? 17:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:51 K2 with the really importan tquestions rn 17:51 <3 17:52 heh 17:52 aosdict, agreed, I think that one only serves farmers 17:52 ok anyway i feel like doing a run now 17:52 jilles: well, you would need some check in place to make sure wiz didn't start with a +10 increase damage and therefore becomes a scum target 17:52 ttyl 17:53 aosdict, what I mean is limiting it to +5 all the time 17:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:6544 17:53 random highly enchanted stuff is neat though 17:54 it's likely NOT the perfect item you wanted, so you have a choice of using the thing you wanted to, or this really good item 17:54 +5 is already neat 17:54 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 17:54 and the chances of getting it are quite slim 17:54 well I also favor rings using rne(2) because most of them end up low enchanted and thus they don't get used much 17:55 you can also simply decide not to generate any -1, +0 or +1 rings 17:56 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:57 i really don't want to change vanilla behaviour with my setseed changes 17:57 as in, this discussion might have merit, but i would want my setseed patch to be able to work correctly either with or without an rne change 17:57 well I can't argue with that mindset, it's what will get your code merged 17:58 (cf. my getobj refactor patch) 17:58 it's also i think a good metric for how flexible/maintainable setseed would be once merged 17:58 if the devteam merge setseed and that cripples their ability to tweak the game's funness and playability in future 17:58 that's a big problem 17:58 then the solution is to invoke the RNG as if you're XL 30 and then cap the resulting value based on your actual XL 17:58 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1619 17:59 btw if anyone's (thinking of) compiling and testing my setseed commit 17:59 beware it writes lots of debug output to /tmp/foo 17:59 jilles: that's functionally identical to what nethack does now 17:59 :) 18:00 aosdict, exactly, but the number of RNG invocations no longer depends on XL 18:00 jilles: so the magic of chacha is that you can seek in the random number stream in constant time 18:01 it highlights the maintainability issue though 18:01 (you can even rewind time and go back to generating the same previous random numbers again if you wanted, which is a neat trick) 18:01 using a fixed # of RNG calls is a non-obvious constraint 18:01 how do you ensure it remains that way? 18:02 * infinigon goes away to try the rng budgeting idea 18:02 also luxidream: the video render crashed 5 hours into the video, LOL 18:02 T_T 18:02 so, I'm restarting the render from the 5 hour mark, i'll splice the two together at the end 18:03 luckily ffmpeg makes that easy (i think) 18:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joo (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:109, killed by a magical explosion 18:03 do you have the version without chat downloaded? 18:03 still 18:03 yeah 18:03 did you want just that? 18:03 if it doesn't work out you can just send me that :) 18:04 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 849 points, T:2146, killed by a little dog 18:04 sure 18:04 maybe you could get around this by effectively seeding a new rng for each mkobj call, using the o_id in the seed to provide difference 18:04 then bam no need to worry about different numbers of rng calls based on rne 18:04 er, based on xlvl 18:04 i think death drops cause problems? 18:04 ditto for monsters 18:05 like if one player gets 10 death drops on dlvl1, and the other dives straight to dlvl2 18:05 won't their o_ids be different? 18:05 oh wait is o_id per-level? 18:05 yes death drops still cause problems but aren't we only trying to ensure the dungeon levels generate the same for now 18:05 no, o_id is global 18:05 yeah, so in the scenario i just said 18:06 wouldn't player 1 get dlvl2 items with o_id starting from 10 (say), and player 2's o_id starts from 0 (say)? 18:06 ok I see your point 18:06 if o_id were per-level this would work great 18:06 i might actually just start tracking 18:06 how about: you could pretty easily add a variable mklev_objcnt, zero it at the start of mklev, tick it up every time mksobj is called while in_mklev 18:06 thanks for the idea :) 18:07 then you seed your per-object rng using mklev_objcnt + ledger_no(&u.uz) + whatever 18:07 that's basically what the code does right now, except the issue is that it ticks up every time any of mksobj or mkmon (sic?) or anything else gets called 18:08 if I tease out just the random calls in mksobj to use their own RNG (per level), I think this achieves what we want 18:08 (i was going to try this after the rng budgeting idea.) 18:08 I was kind of assuming you already had that, based on the fact that you have over 200 rngs already 18:09 oh, no, that's just because MAXLINFO is defined in a naive way in nethack 18:09 MAXLINFO = max dungeons (16) * max levels per dungeon (32) 18:09 there can't be that many levels in a game, this is obviously an overestimatin 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:49181 18:09 but, not worth fixing for now 18:11 amy: "challenge accepted" 18:12 You hear some bundling in the distance. 18:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2333 18:13 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 18:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given the Shield of the Resolute Heart, on T:13527 18:13 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 18:16 it's not even "challenge accepted", slex already has so many levels 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:49227 18:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joo (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 274 points, T:990, killed by an uninjured kobold zombie, while fainted from lack of food 18:19 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3870 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3185790 points, T:49285, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/nethack/dumplog/1611355457.nh.html 18:24 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 913 points, T:1942, killed by a giant ant 18:25 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:25 GG Grouch! 18:26 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 18:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given the Wallet of Perseus, on T:17424 18:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:5398 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:34948 18:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Hum Fem Cha) stole 2650 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Maganasipi's general store, on T:5871 18:35 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 18:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:5931 18:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:6155 18:37 Looks like someone stole a polykit~ 18:37 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 18:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased figurine of a surya deva", on T:21618 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2445 18:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given Mirror Brand, on T:20753 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:35420 18:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:23196 18:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:8610 18:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 41745 points, T:8754, killed by a slightly wounded minotaur 18:57 !lastgame Stella 18:57 luxidream: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1611874956.nh.html 18:57 blah, coulda slept or tamed it, slow reaction 18:57 :c 18:58 i found early reflection shield and decided to skip soko but still was kinda slow 18:58 died 55min into the game 18:58 never found a bag which was annoying 18:58 do soko 18:58 i also lucked into a +5 longsword tho 18:58 boh helps with speed 18:58 adn a polykit 18:58 but i used poly charges up polypiling for some reason 18:58 so i didn't have mmf at castle 18:58 that was dumb 18:59 laem 18:59 well that only took an hour so i can try again :> 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3324 18:59 seriously just do soko though 18:59 im running it back 18:59 it hlpes 18:59 helps* 18:59 ok fien 18:59 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 18:59 wait does it count as running it back if i have a break for 5 min 18:59 ๐Ÿค” 18:59 sure 18:59 kay 18:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:24806 19:00 it's only not running it back if you wait until tomorrow 19:00 haha ok 19:00 lol 19:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3376 19:01 elenmirie__ and I were talking about why is barb more slow (probs mainly cuz they dont get oof?) 19:01 worse hp too 19:01 i think they dont really need an artifact weapon that much, but if you just ascend with your starting 2h-sword you can't do [oR "oLS 19:01 yeah the hp isn't great 19:01 i wasn't sure whether human or orc would be better honestly 19:01 orc is better to use polykit 19:01 i forget what con orc gets 19:01 true 19:02 even though you sacrifice hp 19:02 yea 19:02 maybe i go orc next time 19:02 orc gets same con as human, but less hp per level anyway 19:02 ahhh okay 19:02 weird but ok 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:35765 19:02 i didn't find very good armour in that game really 19:02 oh wait 19:02 i didn't start with a +3 shiield 19:02 that's also a big deal lol 19:02 valk is so op 19:03 valk gets -6 AC quite easily 19:03 in my exp 19:03 idk i feel like you really want stormbringer 19:03 i was barely below 0 in that game 19:03 and unless you are very lucky, that takes time 19:03 ohhh thats why 19:04 i think 2h-sword is ascendable but it does have some major disadvantages 19:04 barb can also ascend with an enchanted mattock 19:04 it kinda works 19:04 needs sdsm+comr or gdsm+aor 19:04 aye 19:04 which is awkward 19:04 that's problematic 19:04 a bit 19:04 but 19:04 might work 19:04 idk 19:05 i will try it 19:05 i hate crowning so much 19:05 :< 19:05 crowning is cool though 19:05 it's really annoying to do 19:05 just try not to spend a million years on it 19:05 imo 19:05 lol 19:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:26367 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:35779 19:05 how about i do one crowned queen barbie and one pleb 19:05 and see how each one goes 19:05 you're right that fastest bar probably just rolls with the starting weapon 19:06 but it's gonna be challenging lol 19:06 stormbringer fills in so many holes though, for ac, mapping, great weapon 19:06 ah yeah you can do all the 200iq levdrain strats 19:06 that's pretty big too 19:06 anyway it's late but fuck it, im gonna try one more run 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:35830 19:08 gl! 19:09 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 114 points, T:817, killed by an exploding magical bag, while sleeping off a magical draught 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2124857 points, T:35871, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/nethack/dumplog/1611778371.nh.html 19:12 GG! 19:12 [hdf-us] [slex] quark (Unb Inh Fem Law), 208 points, T:1596, killed by a monster (yellow yeek) 19:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joo (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3931 19:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joo (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3951 19:18 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 19:20 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:20 luxidream: heya, would you be willing to post that rc file for the windows nethack you posted the pic of? 19:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed Daruth Xaxox, on T:27845 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4533 19:25 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:24371 19:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) became the Shepherd of the Black Web, on T:28502 19:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "holy fixed +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2000 19:26 bouquet: sure 19:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 2663 points, T:2048, killed by an uninjured water demon 19:27 lol that was so dumb 19:27 F 19:27 i got a fountain wish but also angered the guard 19:27 hahaha 19:27 jeez 19:28 oh and then i tried to pray for holy water but that doesn't work right after a wish or something, i think? 19:28 messed with prayer timeout 19:28 or maybe angering the guard fucks alignment 19:28 how does this work 19:28 bouquet: https://pastebin.com/ts5tFwj7 19:28 wishing increases prayer timeout 19:29 thanks! 19:29 Yeah, it was post-wish timeout 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant zombie, on T:5508 19:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:40 -!- hisacro_ has joined #hardfought 19:40 -!- hisacro has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 19:42 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3093 19:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3114 19:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 5 daggers on an altar, on T:3135 19:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:30924 19:44 well this would suck if i die i need to figur eout what to do here 19:44 human mummies hit hard 19:44 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 19:46 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:46 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47 thinking is for the weak 19:47 -!- qt_ is now known as qt 19:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 godhands", on T:31880 19:54 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3408 points, T:3477, killed by a pony 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] molarity2 (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 82 points, T:163, killed by a falling rock 19:59 Random but what's a high-CHA non-tourist class? 19:59 knight? 19:59 That was ironically the next one to come to mind 19:59 who else though 20:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:5368 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] molarity2 (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 53 points, T:377, killed by an uninjured jackal 20:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5531 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] molarity2 (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 181 points, T:37, killed by an uninjured gnome 20:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker named i got an 86% on my spanish final with this marker", on T:32944 20:04 Wait actually there was a chart for stats 20:04 brb 20:05 * tinklebear is stumped, is stumbling blindly through source 20:05 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Attribute 20:06 wizard with +5 ring of adornment 20:06 Base charisma, Luxi :B 20:07 anyway, Knights, Healers and Tourists 20:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] molarity2 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 26 points, T:175, killed by contaminated water 20:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:33206 20:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2248 points, T:2742, killed by a nearly deceased soldier ant 20:10 Go team a! 20:11 -!- ThaEwat has quit [*.net *.split] 20:11 -!- Muad has quit [*.net *.split] 20:11 -!- jonadab has quit [*.net *.split] 20:11 -!- Joonaa has quit [*.net *.split] 20:11 Was asking for the sake of curiosity WRT early game shopping 20:11 Knight's the only one that-- fuck 20:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:6427 20:11 ...thought it'd be a bigger split 20:11 But anyway, Knight is the only one that lacks starting money 20:11 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 930 points, T:2053, killed by a rabid dog 20:12 the rate at which I die and restart is probably counting as scumming 20:12 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 20:12 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 20:12 -!- Joonaa has joined #hardfought 20:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by card.freenode.net 20:13 <@Sicarius> Tourists>>>else 20:14 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:14 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 20:16 bouquet: I know the feeling! 20:17 artisanal, hand-crafted scumming. 20:21 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 163 points, T:1251, killed by a small mimic 20:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:7509 20:21 large batch, commercially distilled scumming in my case 20:22 made in giant swampy vats 20:24 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 20:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:7768 20:24 * tinklebear faintly hears intro to theme song from Laverne and Shirley, for some reason 20:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "holy fixed Master Key of Thievery", on T:7773 20:25 "We're gonna do it" 20:26 * Deathsushi waves to glove on a bottle 20:26 WHAT FUN! 20:26 Is there a way for me get the wand of wishing in the castle without levitation? 20:26 (and without jumping) 20:26 I keep falling into the pits 20:28 * tinklebear hesitates to suggest the guaranteed water walking boots in Vlad's tower 20:28 Why hesitate on that? 20:29 because you might not think hacking your way halfway down into gehennom is what you want to do right now 20:29 Ah yes, of course 20:29 And - would water walking boots solve the problem of those pits? 20:30 because you're at the backdoor. but with water walking you could walk around the outside of the castle, and go in through the front door 20:30 <@luxidream> through the drawbridge 20:30 <@luxidream> fight 20:30 But I still have the pits to get through, either way 20:30 I'm at the back door because I fell through the pit coming in the front way, through the drawbridge 20:31 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 671 points, T:1588, killed by a giant mosquito 20:31 ah, you can confused teleport to get above the castle again 20:31 But I'll still have those pits โ€” no? 20:31 if you're worried about being stuck 20:31 the wand is in the turrets, right? 20:31 That's right 20:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed Mother Hydra, on T:35313 20:31 if you're above the castle, you can make it through the drawbridge 20:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:35320 20:31 without having to go around back 20:32 Maybe I'm confused here 20:32 * Deathsushi consults a map of the castle 20:32 AH! 20:32 I didn't need to walk through the traps 20:32 Durp 20:33 How do I confused teleport? 20:33 You teleport... while confused 20:33 Specifically reading a scroll 20:33 And that always takes me up a level? 20:33 it usually does 20:33 ^ 20:33 Got it 20:33 it can take you up a lot of levels 20:33 It's just a level teleport 20:33 What about OoF's invocation? 20:33 * tinklebear thinks there's a small chance it cou take you down a level 20:33 that works too 20:33 Does confused OOF do the same thing? 20:33 *cou -> could 20:33 Okay cool, so I just need a confusion source 20:34 regular oof works 20:34 not confused 20:34 Orb of Fate levelports you by default lol 20:34 confused invocation doesn't change the effect 20:34 Oh โ€”ย but it can drop me down too right? 20:34 very rarely 20:34 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 144 points, T:283, killed by a goblin 20:34 Okay great โ€” thank you! 20:34 but if you get dropped down just wait a little while and try again 20:34 no harm done 20:35 Is it worth wishing for Grayswandir to replace Excalibur? 20:35 Or is that a waste? 20:35 stick with excal 20:36 ^ 20:36 Gray is super cool but Excal more than does the job 20:36 between excal and oof you are already above the safe wishing limit 20:36 And Mjolnir 20:36 also wishing for weapons is generally bad 20:36 (safe = no chance to possibly fail) 20:36 safe wishing limit meaning there are too many artifacts in the game, so the wish is likely to fail? 20:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:8560 20:37 3 isn't too many (unless there's others you didn't mention) 20:37 but there's just not much point besides (I want to) 20:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Raider, on T:8574 20:37 You won't need to kill things dead but so badly, Excal is more than enough damage if you enchant it decently 20:38 decently being -> +5? 20:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:8859 20:40 that's almost fully enchanted 20:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:8861 20:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:9337 20:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) killed the invisible Gromph, on T:29486 20:47 does MC help against zombie illness attack? 20:47 @luxidream congrats on the new realtime record 20:47 bouquet it can yes 20:48 it can lessen the chance of being infected from a bite 20:48 thanks K2 :) 20:48 aiming for half an hour? 20:48 :P 20:48 that would be....hard 20:49 if you could leave me a very nice bones files I could do ten minutes ;) 20:49 I'd pay to see that 20:49 it's not as cool as you think it is 20:51 luxidream: could you do 30m in wizard mode with a wizkit full of deluxe starting gear? Can't use wizlevelport or any wiz commands. 20:51 bouquet: I did 11 minutes on my local machine 20:51 with a wizmode stuffed bones 20:51 most of my time was spent fiddling with the inventory and forgetting about the 2000 turn cap on quest 20:52 When I enchant my weapon, should I immediately see the +benefit on it, or will that only reveal itself when I identify it? 20:52 when you ID it 20:52 when you id it 20:52 Got it 20:52 jinx! 20:53 it would take a lot of work to set up a bones like that on a public server, and the ascension itself takes zero skill 20:53 if it glows for a moment it was just a +1 enchantment 20:53 if it glows for awhile it was +2 or +3 20:53 ^ 20:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) killed the invisible Dantrag, on T:29798 20:53 Weapons can only be safely enchanted while at a max of +3 I think? 20:54 no 20:54 That's armor, right 20:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:10236 20:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:10237 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 318 points, T:1227, killed by an uninjured homunculus, while sleeping 20:56 -!- ThaEwat has joined #hardfought 20:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "holy fixed greased wand of cancellation", on T:10820 21:00 Deathsushi: Alright, looked up and decided to provide a bit more detail 21:00 Okay โ€” listening 21:00 Weapons have a max of +5 in terms of "safe" base enchantment prior to using a scroll of enchant armor 21:00 er 21:00 Enchant armor or waepon? 21:00 weapon. 21:00 I am a dunce. 21:01 Once at >=+6 you run a high risk of evaporating them instead 21:02 Right โ€” so enchant up to the point of +6 21:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:10920 21:02 Then just hang out like a righteous dude 21:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:484 21:02 Nah, blessed enchanting a weapon from +5 can still add up to 2 points 21:03 +6/+7 is the ideal stopping point though, yes 21:04 For *armor* the safe max from which to add further enchantment is +3 - enchanting from anything above that is a 1/x chance to poof (x being current enchantment) 21:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "cursed marker", on T:11077 21:04 -!- ThaEwat has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 21:04 Exceptions are the cornuthaum ONLY if you're a Wizard 21:04 Right, basically I'm saying "Hit me" to the dealer until I hit 6+ 21:04 Yes 21:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "a blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:487 21:04 is everyone getting early wow today 21:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:7890 21:05 Exceptions are the cornuthaums for Wizards and for everyone else 21:05 *for everyone else: elven armor has a "safe" max of +5 21:05 I just got my WoW from the castle โ€” my first wish is immediately 2 blessed scrolls of charging, unless I already know that scroll, in which case I go with a blessed magic marker โ€” is this correct? 21:05 elf hats and boots can be enchanted to +7 21:06 considering your current kit I think mm is a good choice. 21:06 uncursed marker 21:06 bouquet: as in enchanted FROM +5 21:06 Not blessed? 21:06 usually to +7 21:06 And no 21:06 You want to be able to write cursed scrolls 21:06 don't bless your mm. 21:06 AH 21:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:11224 21:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:11228 21:06 That makes sense 21:07 e.g. cursed gold detection for spotting traps 21:07 Can I wish for two, or is that a risk? 21:07 Nah, just one 21:07 Only certain items stack 21:07 you can only wish for two of a stackable item 21:07 Ah of course 21:07 or *are wishable as stacks* 21:07 like arrows, or daggers 21:07 and then like luxidream said, even then you can only get 2 I think 21:08 you can get up to 20 arrows IIRC 21:08 Candles โ€“ you may wish for up to 7 21:08 Arrows (all kinds), darts, crossbow bolts, shuriken, boomerangs, and rocks โ€“ you may wish for up to 20 21:08 Gold pieces โ€“ you may wish for up to 5000 21:08 if you haven't maxed out divine protection you might consider that a good side quest before you go much further 21:08 but it's a roll for most items 21:08 Those are the exceptions 21:08 to get 2 or more 21:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:11335 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Magic Marker", on T:42447 21:08 I usually go for 3 holy charging, you have a 50% chance of getting all three 21:08 2 blessed charging for those who don't know the scroll is "safest" because even if you get only one you can still max out your wishes 21:09 Protection is maxed 21:09 And you still know the scroll for the future 21:09 If you already know it you can just go right to the uncursed MM 21:09 That's probably good if you don't have three things to charge 21:09 if there isn't a t-shirt in the armory and I have wishes to spare (and I don't want to polypile) I'll blow a wish on one. 21:09 though probably not when you consider markers and death wands 21:10 Valid 21:10 blessed +2 or +3 fireproof T-shirt is the way to go 21:10 for that 21:10 Don't wish for a t-shity 21:10 As I descend Gehennom, am I alright to look to shore up the remaining items of my ascension kit there, rather than spend wishes? Eg, some boots of levitation? 21:10 shirt* 21:10 (rather than wishing them up) 21:10 that was an unfortunate typo 21:10 ha! 21:11 lol 21:11 named Really Cool Shirt Replica 21:11 lol 21:11 Yeah, see if you come across the remaining parts of your asc kit before the wishing ideally 21:11 they're easily obtained by polymorph 21:11 What else are you missing? 21:11 At what point do I start to look to wishing? 21:11 the same goes for things like cans of grease 21:11 >(and I don't want to polypile) 21:11 Typically once you've exhausted all *desirable* options 21:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:11598 21:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:11599 21:12 What do you have deathsushi 21:12 like you may not want to polypile for conduct's sake or whatever 21:12 so you might not count that if that's the case 21:12 I'm missing: A t-shirt, levitation source, ring of conflict, AoLS 21:12 Guaranteed one in Vlad's place 21:12 So not too much 21:12 you don't need a t-shirt 21:12 Have you checked the Perseus statue? 21:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1474 21:13 Yah, it had the shield, but I have reflection โ€” I don't have an amulet of life saving 21:13 ah, oof. 21:13 A t-shirt isn't a must but is a nice source of extra AC 21:13 (or Hawaiian shirt, not like it matters if you're getting it at the point of clearing the castle) 21:14 I'm at -28 AC 21:14 main reason to hold off on wishing is usu. so you can check the armory and shit 21:14 lmfao yeah you're good on t-shirts 21:14 that's more than sufficient 21:14 especially with the orb 21:14 (No idea over here what I want to aim for โ€” so OVER PREPARING) 21:14 half damage baby 21:14 I ascended within like -/+2 of that I think? 21:14 as a tourist 21:14 If COVID hit Nethack, my character would have all the toilet paper. 21:14 only -28? I usually aim for -40 :) 21:15 don't give amy ideas 21:15 But yeah uhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh 21:15 The armory tends to have at least one bit of asc. kit armor, and then there's also a weapons stockpile 21:15 bare minimum you have tons of polyfodder should you desire that path 21:17 shame they don't have a tool stockpile 21:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed the garnet rod", on T:30329 21:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:12273 21:19 Where is the armory? 21:19 Is that the castle? 21:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 221 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:12344 21:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 182 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:12596 21:22 yes 21:23 Deathsushi: any advice you get from me is going to be according to my playstyle which is ultra-conservative. I overprepare more than most players. 21:23 bouquet: That's all good with me 21:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:30677 21:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:30685 21:23 I appreciate any/all of it 21:24 are you genociding anything? 21:25 Did they change the way blessed unicorn horns worked in 3.6/3.7? I thought they cured whatever status ailment I had in 1 turn and always worked. But I've had a few times of "Nothing Happens" while under Hallu or Stun 21:25 I've geno'd the lich race 21:25 And will probably do uncursed geno of the top two mindflayers? 21:25 they're not 100%. They also don't restore lost stats any more 21:25 Yah, I saw that 21:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:36903 21:26 If you don't have a CoP you might consider green slimes, also. They're manageable if you have fire wands handy. 21:26 I have a personal hatred of them. 21:28 CoP? 21:28 Cloak of Protection? 21:28 ya 21:29 I do, but I'm running Cloak of MR 21:29 MC helps keep the slime off 21:29 And I have MC1 21:29 just keep a wand of fire handy :) 21:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:14432 21:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:37753 21:31 did a cat walk across your keyboard while naming your skeleton key? 21:33 -!- ThaEwat has joined #hardfought 21:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:14553 21:36 There's not really a reason to hang on to gems is there? 21:36 I know you get bonus points for bringing them out 21:36 But that's it, right? 21:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:14659 21:36 To show off 21:37 Or to throw them at unicorns. 21:37 resale value if you need cash for protection 21:37 Or if you want to sell them. 21:37 I collect them for mad pointz 21:37 (instead of credit cloning or murdering the shopkeepers) 21:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:14689 21:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed helm of opposite alignment", on T:14708 21:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:14711 21:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Bar Orc Fem Law), 402287 points, T:14711, ascended 21:38 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1611880121.nh.html 21:38 not quite sub-2h but im pretty sure that was pb lol 21:38 nice, early wow 21:38 yeah it was really early int eh dungeon lol 21:38 curious about the start time 21:39 i coulda done things much faster probably 21:39 tho i was a bit short ons crolls etc 21:39 wall clock about 2h 10min 21:39 neat 21:39 nice PB though! 21:39 yey 21:39 :> 21:39 Congrats~ 21:39 better than stenno 21:39 yeah stenno get rekt son 21:40 stenno1 21:40 stenno1 21:40 lool 21:40 i already had a better 3.7 pb than him tho 21:40 i need to beat him on stable :v 21:40 well that beats his 3.4.3 valk 21:40 aw yea 21:40 that he did forever ago 21:40 my best 3.4.3 was 3h 58m lol 21:40 also valk 21:40 also realtime only, wallclock was weeks lol 21:41 wished for stormy and Mkot lmao 21:41 yeah I saw that 21:41 silly amount of wishes 21:41 i thought fuck it 21:41 did you see my discord pms or nah 21:41 i did not 21:41 oh ok 21:41 i usually just look at discord on my phone 21:41 that archon could have been a lot worse 21:41 but you were stacked enough to survive 21:41 oh yeah i also had the wrong weapon 21:41 did you see that 21:41 yea 21:41 i was fighting it wiht a pickaxe for a while 21:41 and then i was like shit oops 21:42 i had lifesaving but yeah that coulda been bad 21:42 i drank loads of healy pots too during that game had very little healy for astral 21:42 with no unihorn you need to be really careful around stunning monsters 21:42 pesty would have been scary 21:42 yeah 21:42 it's dangerou 21:42 s 21:42 aols doesn't cure stunning 21:42 ahh 21:42 that's bad 21:43 luxidream: how long after you told me to get tc was my mkot wish 21:43 just a few floors 21:43 ah ok haha 21:43 teleitis is really awful 21:43 yeah teleitis got annoying 21:43 indeed 21:43 it's like the mysterious force 21:43 except in the normal dungeon 21:43 thats what i get for playing tengu lottery 21:43 but i could wish for mkot so 21:43 it wa sok 21:44 stormbringer is a cool wish 21:44 how much clair did you get 21:44 enough for the whole game? 21:44 hm i think it wasnt quite the whole game 21:44 i feel like it stopped working at some point before ammy get 21:44 you get about 1k per hit 21:44 500-1500 21:44 ok 21:44 well i didn't have loads of money 21:44 i had about 4k 21:44 Is there a way to get Wraith's up out of the valley of the dead? 21:44 and used 66% on prot 21:44 Does OoF'ing them work? 21:45 yes 21:45 Like, if I'm standing beside them? 21:45 yes 21:45 Ah swert 21:45 the rest on clairvoyance 21:45 iirc 21:45 luxidream: by realtime it's 2h 8min 21:45 because of the human mummy 21:45 i paused for two minutes when i almost died to a human mummy 21:45 yes 21:45 lol 21:45 that would ahve been so shit if i died there 21:45 with a wow 21:45 i almost did 21:45 yea you hit into him with your +0 axe 21:45 like 6 times 21:46 yeah that was also dumb lol 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9373 21:46 i just get nervous having stormy out in mt 21:46 lol 21:46 Hmm. I tried to use the OoF and I got the message "you shudder for a moment" 21:46 and then i wasnt really thinking 21:46 cuz i coulda switched, i wasnt near to peacefuls 21:46 plus you just have to not bump them 21:46 i went into one shop and forgot at some point 21:46 to unwield it 21:46 but it was ok 21:47 deathsushi: read - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Level_teleport 21:47 21:47 Hmm 21:47 i like how you remembered to bump the quest leader to exit the quest 21:48 I can levelport from the valley to any level.. Not sure why it would have failed 21:48 keep reading 21:49 "Uncontrolled level teleportation will deposit you on any level between 1 and your current level plus 3, except that you will not go below your current dungeon branch.[1] There is a 20% chance you will stay in place; otherwise, all other eligible levels are equally likely." 21:49 luxidream: lol yeah, its a fun trick 21:49 i think someone mentioned it during the race lol 21:50 you could do it with any role right, just F at them 21:50 idk why i never did it with valk 21:50 because it's not that far 21:50 i guess 21:51 but i first heard of that trick watching you stream some rogue game or something 21:51 it's more of a problem for stuff like ranger quest 21:51 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 21:51 you started on about how like 21:51 and rogue quest 21:51 the ranger quest is the most shit 21:51 lol 21:51 the tree maze is really dumb 21:51 I stand by that 21:51 yea its bullcrap 21:51 you also only get to skip it on the way out 21:52 this is true 21:52 btw luxidream i think 3.7 uses teleport regions for the demon lairs 21:52 yeah I came to the same conclusion 21:52 or maybe it always did 21:52 but they're actually relevant now 21:52 lopl 21:52 from talking to ais523, they were always there 21:53 right, that's what i thought 21:53 but allowing tele after demon kill/bribe makes them matter more 21:53 i want to see what the regions are for asmo 21:53 I feel like they should be removed now 21:54 because i was still able to skip a fair chunk of walking with tele 21:54 I don't see the point of tele if the regions are still in place 21:54 but going straight for the stairs doesn't work 21:54 you can see me getting haxed in the 3.7 WR :p 21:54 like you know how there's the long corridor after you get out of the rooms where asmo is 21:54 once i got to the long corridor i was able to tele to the outer bits 21:54 skipping a pretty large section of walking 21:55 which wasn't quite what i expected 21:55 i guess it's defined somewhere in the des file or some shit 21:55 it's probably some weird shape 21:55 but im not sure how this works 21:56 -!- hisacro_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:57 it appears the right side of the corridor is considered separate 21:57 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/ef6978ec51b3e6854199d7176cfbb4ee1e1aa619/dat/asmodeus.lua 21:57 that was fun 21:58 the teleport region is in the left half 21:58 ah okay 21:58 so once you get out of that bit you're good 21:59 looks like it 21:59 ok you should get some sleep lol 21:59 it's probably like 3 am over there :p 21:59 yeah true its actually 4 now lol 21:59 beddd tiem 21:59 nini 21:59 night :) 22:00 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5574 points, T:3573, killed by an ettin zombie 22:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) became the Shepherd of the Black Web, on T:33658 22:04 -!- hisacro has joined #hardfought 22:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) killed the Grue, on T:34003 22:14 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Really quit? (Y/N)] 22:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3795 22:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 apotheosis veil", on T:34379 22:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 bone gauntlets of power", on T:34477 22:30 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5266 points, T:7244, killed by an orcish arrow 22:32 -!- hisacro has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32 -!- Beholder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:32 -!- mode/Beholder_ [+Zi] by Beholder_ 22:32 -!- rothfuss.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ยค public irc logs available on website ยค ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ยค The November NetHack Tournament 2020 has ended! - https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt 22:32 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder_] by ChanServ 22:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed the Nightmare, on T:38945 22:34 -!- fadein_ has joined #hardfought 22:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased ring of slow digestion", on T:39205 22:36 -!- qt has quit [Disconnected by services] 22:36 -!- qt_ is now known as qt 22:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 apotheosis veil", on T:39250 22:38 -!- hisacro has quit [*.net *.split] 22:38 -!- stenno1 has quit [*.net *.split] 22:38 -!- Beholder has quit [*.net *.split] 22:38 -!- fadein has quit [*.net *.split] 22:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:39534 22:40 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 22:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 engagement ring named cat's ring", on T:39703 22:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:39712 22:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 orange dragon scale mail", on T:39723 22:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law), 12821 points, T:6109, petrified by a chickatrice corpse 22:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of sustain ability", on T:40077 22:54 wonder if any variants have al-miraj yet 22:54 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzzโ€ฆ] 23:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:16964 23:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1888 23:07 <@riker> !pom 23:07 @riker: The moon is full for 3 more days. 23:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Hea Gno Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:10877 23:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:42430 23:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Fem Law) killed Glasya, on T:42692 23:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Fem Law) averted death, on T:42751 23:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:17277 23:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Fem Law) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:42815 23:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:43034 23:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Fem Law) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:43052 23:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Hdr-Rog Dro Fem Law) averted death, on T:43212 23:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Dro Fem Law), 1869538 points, T:43214, poisoned by a (with the Amulet) 23:22 <@luxidream> !lastgame rikersan 23:22 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1611873320.dnh.txt 23:22 <@riker> demogorgon 23:22 <@riker> for some reason, he managed to wake up despite be being nowhere near him 23:22 <@riker> wait a minute 23:22 <@riker> "Nymphs, named demons, wumpuses, long worms, and eels are always generated awake.3" 23:22 <@NeroOneTrueKing> What. 23:22 <@riker> .... i never loaded his level going down 23:23 <@luxidream> you spawned him awake on the asc run 23:23 <@luxidream> rip 23:23 <@riker> i was just trying to go faster & warped down 23:23 <@riker> yeha 23:23 <@riker> that sucks 23:23 <@riker> i only vaguely remembered that after hte fact, damn. well a lesson learned 23:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4408 points, T:3671, killed by an uninjured dwarf 23:23 <@riker> don't do that unless i'm ready to go up IMMEDIATELY on going upstairs 23:23 <@luxidream> also weird bug that it isn't reported correctly when you can't see him? 23:23 <@NeroOneTrueKing> oof, I had no idea that was a thing 23:23 <@riker> i noticed it with Lolth too but i figured it was the seraph that woke her up 23:24 <@riker> bc it took a turn or two for him to warp over, i was taking off my hat and waffling about whether to GL up or work my way around his palace 23:24 <@riker> luxi i do'nt think i'ts the visual thing it's more likely just his claws in general 23:24 <@riker> there was a similar bug where the monster spell for disease didn't report a killer either. make_sick has to be called in a specific way 23:25 <@riker> or actually I htikn i'ts just that delayed_killer needs to be set, and make_sick doesn't do that - it just makes you sick 23:25 <@luxidream> ah gotcha 23:25 <@luxidream> I was curious about who it was but I guess I should have known :p 23:26 <@riker> lol 23:26 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 23:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) killed Shelob, on T:37038 23:26 What 23:26 What's*s HDR again 23:27 <@riker> hedrow 23:27 Assuming something to -- yeah 23:27 hedrow rogue drow 23:27 redrow bludrow 23:27 <@riker> hdr is the quest code, since it has to be different than just Wiz bc not the same files 23:28 icic 23:28 <@riker> amusingly enough, the death livelog doesn't use it 23:28 <@riker> or asc livelog obviously 23:28 <@riker> it'll just say "Wiz Dro" instead 23:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:37262 23:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdr-Wiz Dro Mal Law) killed Lungorthin, on T:37512 23:35 I like that you name your cats bouquet 23:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] molarity2 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 416 points, T:1066, killed by an uninjured gnome 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 26897 points, T:18888, killed by a wounded giant mummy 23:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof amulet of flying", on T:82998 23:51 <@ChrisANG> I got in trouble with... somebody... over that. 23:51 <@ChrisANG> I think the guy who does the scoreboard? 23:54 <@riker> aoei is the current scoreboard, was it her? 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Orc Fem Cha) stole 13 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Sipaliwini's general store, on T:83249 23:54 <@riker> though wasn't it like, stenno? who used to run it? 23:57 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:59 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds]