00:00 but yeah, I've heard old people mention this too 00:00 i thought needing less sleep as you age was pretty standard lol 00:00 but everybody is different too :) 00:00 yeah. I heard it all the time 00:00 true. vive la diff 00:01 LA VIE BOHEM 00:01 ~ 00:01 arga warga! 00:01 i just got a song from rent stuck in myhead now lol 00:01 have never seen this play 00:01 do you know that movie 00:01 slash musical 00:01 ah 00:01 fair enough 00:02 oh, movie/musical. okay. 00:02 well i think it was a play first 00:02 i saw the movie musical version 00:02 is it more like star wars, or more like rock horror picture show? 00:02 *rocky 00:03 erm 00:03 well star wars is shit 00:03 so i'd say it's more like rhps 00:03 oh, right. musical. 00:04 and star wars almost revels in being crap, come to think of it. you're right! 00:04 haha 00:05 im a bit hard on star wars maybe 00:05 just never been a big fan of the series lol 00:05 one of the recent ones, I thought was unwatchable, till I put on the french dub 00:06 voice actor for old han solo was incredible 00:06 hahaha 00:06 cool 00:06 i don't think i saw that one 00:06 i saw rogue one or something i think 00:06 that one was ok 00:06 bogue-toi, la Boule! 00:06 *bouge 00:06 i think hans solo one was the one my brother got hired to help with pre-production for 00:07 oh, the yung han one? 00:07 for some scene they were choreographing involving parkour 00:07 cuz my brother does parkour and occasionally gets these wild gigs 00:07 cool. 00:07 he met jennifer lopez once and is in a music video 00:07 not kidding 00:07 lol 00:08 i used to live with the sleazy younger brother of some member of They Might Be Giants 00:08 apparently she seems p chill 00:08 spicycebolla: no way lol 00:09 i wish he was less gross 00:09 yah thats unfortunate 00:09 so is parkour your sib's main "job"? 00:10 seems like a sweet way to pay rent 00:10 eh not really 00:10 like he got some really crazy gigs occasionally 00:10 but they were few and far between 00:10 so one of his main jobs for a while was waiter 00:10 now things are a bit tough obviously 00:10 tho he started uni doing some accounting course or something 00:11 and does a bit of deliveroo work, which is kinda a trash job but u gotta get money somehow 00:11 actually haven't heard from him in a while hope he's doing alright 00:12 he caught the rona too but i think it was a mild case 00:12 fortunately 00:13 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:51358 00:26 K2: belated reaction but this track is pretty cool 00:26 i think i have heard it at some point 00:26 it sounds vaguely familiar 00:26 (tears for fears shout) 00:37 -!- winny is now known as wInNy 00:39 that was my dad's driving-a-bit-too-fast song 00:40 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Neu), 1144 points, T:2291, killed by a vrock of Kos 00:40 he played it on a cassette tape 00:40 in a sebring, until it flipped over on black ice and got totalled 00:40 that song got a lot of play in our cassette player on road trips, too. 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:52008 00:44 What song? 00:45 Also hi spicy <3 00:45 ...I miss Neko :c 00:46 (tears for fears shout) 00:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 156 points, T:358, killed by a steel crossbow bolt 00:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:50 Hi raisse 00:52 NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO 00:53 the smoky potion for this mobile run's GL... 01:04 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a jaguar), on T:2186 01:05 Umbire: That's not too bad! 01:05 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 704 points, T:1739, killed by a giant cockroach 01:05 Umbire: Every time you do get a wish... Wish for TWO blessed potions of GL? ;) 01:06 (Does that work?) 01:06 It's not a guaranteed wish to begin with so yes it CAN work 01:06 problem is not only is that gonna fuck me if I want to curse one as an escape plan 01:06 but I'm """limited""" to gain energy for efficient alchemizing of FH 01:07 Hopefully I won't need too many wishes but this is a bind 01:07 Ah, fair point. 01:11 -!- cyberscout has joined #hardfought 01:12 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 01:21 got a possible tc run going 01:21 castle wand get t:1671 01:21 0:2 wand thinking about wishes 01:21 i already know charging fortunately 01:22 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:23 gogogogogo 01:23 nobody has even done sub-10k on 3.7 yet 01:23 should be doable 01:23 dungeon was a bit crap but i might loot the valley for srolls 01:25 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 01:30 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nelennath (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:10488 01:41 5 wishes means I get what: "oR, BoH, 3 cursed geno and 2 markers 01:41 that's gonna be tight 01:42 i could check perseus and get by with a sack and a shield of reflection to conserve wishes but using the shield kinda sucks as a caster 01:43 with regen ring it's maybe ok 01:43 bleh 01:43 wat do 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Roamer, on T:52871 01:48 speed boots aren't important for tc runs? 01:48 nah 01:49 but i should write that spellbook too 01:49 I need healing, detmon, identify, haste self and magic mapping 01:49 which is gonna cost me a lot of marker 01:50 if i luck into speed boots from castle stores it saves having to cast the spell 01:50 but you don't actually *need* the boots 01:51 up to 130 marker charges just to write all those books jesus 01:51 more if i roll badly because you can still fail with 10 luck 01:52 would be really nice to find a marker on the ground at some point 01:52 or luck into a sack and make do with that, mino and titan have high carry cap at least 01:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4898 points, T:5780, killed by a snake 02:02 -!- cyberscout has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:17 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 02:17 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest61157 02:17 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 02:18 -!- Guest61157 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:41 @luxidream Time? 02:42 <@luxidream> slow af 02:42 <@luxidream> :c 02:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2328 02:42 <@luxidream> 1:38 02:43 Ah rip 02:43 Assuming that L took some valuable time 02:44 along with that fucking remove curse screwjob 02:44 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 02:44 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (orwell.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 02:44 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 02:45 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:45 <@luxidream> yea that was shopless 02:45 <@luxidream> so no loot 02:46 <@luxidream> also no altars 02:47 Yeah you had to go back to fucking 02:47 Orc Town I heard 02:47 shopless conduct preserved? 02:54 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 18759 points, T:3509, killed by a half-dragon mummy 03:00 think I'll just leave the longbow of diana on the floor in the basement where it belongs 03:01 Sorry, Orion. Couldn't find it! 03:04 lolwut 03:04 my quest artifact is hot garbage, basically 03:04 I could've told you that 03:04 Might as well keep it though 03:05 have to have it in the first place, to keep it. not touching that PoS 03:05 lol 03:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 2842 points, T:1834, killed by a rolling boulder trap 03:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 91 points, T:133, killed by a jackal 03:19 the L didn't seem to slow lux down all that much actually 03:19 @luxidream did you have MR? 03:20 i can't see how you would with such a trash dungeon 03:20 but if you survived the L without it wow 03:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:21 <@luxidream> nope 03:21 <@luxidream> we lived 03:21 <@luxidream> no m 03:21 <@luxidream> MR 03:21 damn lol 03:21 did you have ?osm or anything 03:21 it's still broken in 3.6.6 right 03:21 actually wait they should still work on L in 3.7 03:22 <@luxidream> i spammed a lot of elbereth to get closer to the stairs without dying 03:22 but you had to get to the stairs to kill it 03:22 ah 03:22 you must be able to type E- Elbereth very fast I didn't notice it at all lol 03:22 <@luxidream> I think I did it at least once 03:22 <@luxidream> when I got nasties summoned on me 03:22 ah yeah 03:23 <@luxidream> he can't kill me outright though, no touch of death 03:23 oh only master lich? 03:23 is it just arch that can do it? 03:24 <@luxidream> master lich is too low level, 03:24 did you lose any armour to the spell 03:24 <@luxidream> I lost my helmet 03:24 ok that's not so bad 03:24 lol 03:25 <@luxidream> not that I had anything good 03:25 also cloak reasons: i think similarly to scroll s of enchant you'll lose cloak before body armour 03:25 right but losing mithril at castle would have sucked 03:25 kinda 03:25 okey i will go for walkies while i ponder my tc strats 03:25 bbiab 03:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2547 03:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 21357 points, T:3957, killed by a xorn 03:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 832 points, T:942, killed by a marid 03:58 -!- tjw has joined #hardfought 03:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 189 points, T:560, killed by a jackal 04:04 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:14 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 04:15 -!- Borto has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:21 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:21 [hdf-us] [un] Hatamaru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1685 points, T:2152, quit 04:30 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "lights are going out"] 04:37 [hdf-us] [un] Hatamaru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 632 points, T:2376, killed by a rothe 04:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1548 04:42 how's your slex game going Amy? 04:43 amateurhour: still in Gehennom looking for the Sheol entrance 04:43 probably won't continue today though 04:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 918 points, T:2251, killed by an uninjured giant bat 04:49 what's the difference from non-slex sheol? 04:49 main difference is that sheol is no longer optional, but it's also considerably longer, has more level variation (but not enough, need to work on that eventually) and the crystal ice golems were replaced by weaker monsters 04:50 crystal ice golems still exist, but they're no longer guaranteed to spawn in there 04:50 what's not optional about it? 04:50 well, the vlad stair is in there 04:51 on bottommost floor? 04:51 lol that would be too easy :P on a random floor and you have to find out which one 04:52 is there still a marker? 04:52 dunno, but probably? 05:12 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 05:22 -!- moony has quit [Quit: Bye!] 05:26 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 05:29 [hdf-us] [un] Hatamaru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2384 points, T:5894, killed by a scorpion 05:30 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:35 -!- Admin__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:39 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 05:51 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 05:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:10081 05:53 :o 05:53 really tight turncount there elenmirie's got 05:54 very nice 05:54 * aoei watches 05:54 oof Yeenoghu 05:54 that's annoying 05:55 i wonder how she's doing for rt 05:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:10169 05:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:10170 05:56 elenmirie__: time? 05:56 [hdf-us] [slex] quark (Gre Sli Fem Cha), 19 points, T:679, killed by a monster (torchbearer mob), while fainted from lack of food 05:56 I have no idea 05:56 ah okay fair 05:56 well you just saved so that'd help figure it out based on ttyrecs 05:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:56 !lastgame elenmirie 05:56 aoei: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for xnh:elenmirie) | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nethack/dumplog/1611572351.nh.html 05:56 I think it's decent, but I've saved a lot 05:56 that makes checking the ttyrecs a bit more work i suppose 05:56 so Ive lost track 05:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:43825 05:59 wow you weren't kidding 05:59 ^ revenge 05:59 are any of these scumming for 20 con 06:00 so if rawrmage wrote the nhqdb stuff in like 2011,2012 06:00 i can possibly ignore a few at the beginning 06:00 wasn't he like 14 then or so 06:00 erm 06:00 yes that sounds about right lol 06:00 i think he was a couple of years younger than me 06:00 wait 2011 06:00 maybe he was 18 06:00 i wanna say 16-18 06:01 but i'm unsure 06:01 tbh 06:01 ok 06:01 he died only 25-27 i guess :c 06:01 rip in peace in peace 06:01 yeah it is like that 06:01 yeah 06:01 sad 06:02 the things he wrote back then made me very happy yesterday lol 06:02 awe 06:02 its still kinda surreal 06:02 yeah :/ 06:02 here's hoping we're still aliv 06:02 !PoM 06:02 APic: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 2 days. 06:02 and playing nethack 06:02 when we're 80 06:02 lol 06:02 ☺ 06:03 i guess, depends a bit on how the future will look like 06:03 truuuue 06:03 let's see 06:03 There is an uncountably infinite Amount of possible Futures 06:03 indeed 06:03 more than a myriad which is iirc countable 06:07 elenmirie__: 2h 47m 06:07 i think 06:07 sub-3h would be really tight but you might still get a really good time 06:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 193 points, T:654, killed by a brown mold 06:08 oh, thanks aoei 06:09 the name of each ttyrec gives you a starting time and the modification date to the right of that on the ttyrec page as displayed in my browser gives you the end 06:09 so i added those up quickly 06:09 but with rough maths so i might bea bit out lol 06:09 and you did save a *lot* 06:09 sorry! 06:09 :D 06:09 haha its ok i counted the voluntarily 06:10 I have a tendency to save whenever distracted or when I need to think 06:10 aoei: How rough are you talking about? ;) Is it like "2 + 2 equals... Eh... 5..."? ;) 06:10 yeah i've stopped doing that as much not to try and get wallclock times 06:10 arahael lol 06:10 well i'd round off second sometimes 06:10 plus the ttyrec filename has seconds and the modification date i see doesn't 06:10 so it's a precision issue also 06:11 s/not/now 06:11 Ah, interesting. Sounds like it'd be more than enough. 06:11 well its also just my mushy human brain and mental adding 06:11 i also could have skipped files by accident when reading 06:12 Heh, yeah, that might mess it up a bit. 06:13 but if im not too far off elenmirie__ could beat her own best time for 3.7.0 and both stenno and microlance 06:13 elenmirie__: no pressure. go ascend quickly :D 06:14 :p 06:19 -!- ThaEwat has quit [Quit: Bridge terminating on SIGTERM] 06:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 30 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:10894 06:26 nice bribe 06:29 -!- ThaEwat has joined #hardfought 06:30 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1327 points, T:2841, killed by a garter snake, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of levitation", on T:11237 06:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:11243 06:43 * spicycebolla is dereferenced 06:43 but what were you pointing at my dear 06:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1246 points, T:2418, killed by an acidic glob 06:53 -!- amateurhour has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:53 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Joshu, on T:11716 06:53 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Sam Hum Fem Law), 26662 points, T:11728, killed by a wounded air elemental 06:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:11756 06:54 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 06:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 923 points, T:2074, killed by a potion of holy water 06:59 Heh: This burns like acid! Your affinity to werejackals disappears! You die... 06:59 Yes. Death is a good way to cure lycantrophy. 07:02 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 07:02 "It worked! You're dead, but no longer have lycanthrophy." 07:03 operation success patient died 07:03 haha. a while ago I made it so that dying cures the player character of anorexia in slex :P 07:12 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1720 07:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 100 points, T:333, killed by a jackal 07:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3013 07:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:12490 07:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:12620 07:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:12631 07:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:12796 07:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:12803 07:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1088740 points, T:12835, ascended 07:27 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nethack/dumplog/1611574372.nh.html 07:27 :o 07:27 grats!! 07:27 thanks aoei! 07:28 not up to your level, I'm afraid :D 07:28 gg elenmirie__ ! 07:28 thanks nabru 07:28 nhs still needs to update i think 07:29 -!- attie has quit [Quit: gone afk] 07:32 elenmirie__: you made sub-4h :D 07:32 \o/ 07:32 barely, but there you go 07:33 gratz!! 07:33 dw 07:33 next time you will do even better and beat stenno's 370 pb too 07:33 thanks amateurhour! 07:33 no pressure 07:33 heh 07:33 just follow the speedrun race winner's winning strategy 07:33 idle on water for ages and lose the portal three times 07:33 :D 07:33 hahahaha 07:35 lol I saw the portal several times before I could get to it 07:35 frustrating as hell 07:35 ah thats annoying 07:35 amateurhour: well we all know the best speedrunning advice is from kerio 07:35 "just ascend quickly 4Head" 07:36 heh 07:36 hard to argue with that 07:36 :D 07:36 it's right up there after "don't die" 07:36 yah 07:37 just do what you're already doing but faster 07:37 ^ this 07:44 "don't die" lol 07:45 sounds like my advice on how to streak 07:47 yeah that one is far more crucial for streaking 07:49 it sees the most use on telling newbies how to win nethack 07:50 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 07:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:56 haha 07:57 shouldn't it b like 07:57 just ascend 4head 07:57 or, just get the ammy and give it to ur god kappa 07:57 no, that's a little too tautological when someone asks "how do I ascend" 07:57 maybe the second one? 07:58 i mean you said win first 07:58 so if someone literally asks how to win it hink "just ascend 4head" is great advice 07:59 just locked myself out of a dev machine 07:59 now i have to wait for the IT person to unlock it 07:59 uh oh 07:59 embarrassing 07:59 good times 08:00 the perils of not running ssh on 22 08:00 sshd 08:13 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Pri Syl Fem Cha), 1140 points, T:744, killed by a manes, while frozen by a potion 08:16 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 08:28 ah yis 08:28 i know it well 08:28 i put my linode ssh to port 69 08:28 because i am a child 08:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 08:46 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:58 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 29950 points, T:11486, petrified by a deceased chickatrice 09:02 !lastgame samiam 09:02 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/samiam/nethack/dumplog/1611605076.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/samiam/nethack/dumplog/1582658194.nh.html 09:09 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 1076 points, T:990, quit 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 577 points, T:1724, killed by a nearly deceased little dog 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 479 points, T:1745, killed by a heavily wounded invisible vampire lady 09:38 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:11327 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:11332 09:48 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:38697 09:51 -!- spleen has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:00 !rng quest | castle 10:00 mobileuser: quest 10:01 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 3360 points, T:897, killed by a brown mold 10:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu), 67315 points, T:7006, killed by an invisible quinon, while helpless 10:05 aosdict: Rodney has a joke entry on how to ascend 10:06 in the grand scheme of things, there isn't much you need to do to ascend 10:06 the difficulty in NetHack is almost exclusively tactical 10:06 <{Demo}> wait how do i ascend? 10:07 {Demo}: press < on an upstair 10:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a pair of cloth jackboots entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:44981 10:10 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 10:11 <{Demo}> thanks 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:16870 10:13 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 10:16 {Demo}: thanks for making me aware of the thing 10:16 i had so much fun in the last two days 10:16 and its not over, i am just a bit lazy right now 10:16 <{Demo}> im glad you've had time to look at it cause i've been swamped/in all the time not swamped working on some stupid stupid project infecting my mind 10:20 i think i could have progressed much faster but i wanna find all the little nooks and crannies :D 10:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) had a robe entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:45125 10:22 also i wonder where all the end of this is, how much i can actually look around on there and what else is ran there 10:24 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 10:28 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Hea Syl Fem Neu), 1290 points, T:914, killed by a force bolt 10:29 -!- lxlldr has quit [Quit: Quit] 10:29 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 10:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was given Epoch's Curve, on T:2205 10:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2152 10:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3878 points, T:2639, quit 10:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:43 -!- lxlldr has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 10:44 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 10:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3164 10:52 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Arc Clk Fem Neu), 6382 points, T:3567, killed by a gnome lord 11:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Vam Fem Cha), 865 points, T:621, killed by a piranha 11:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Vam Fem Cha), 2630 points, T:1747, killed by an invisible gnome lord 11:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:720 11:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2010 11:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) was given Kingslayer, on T:2727 11:20 <{Demo}> kingslayer rocks 11:20 <{Demo}> as a carry item 11:21 where did it go on your tierlist? 11:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 filth-crusted blade singer's saber", on T:3022 11:22 <{Demo}> idk i just made that all up when i did it so i dont remember 11:22 <{Demo}> hey wait, is riker doing the run I just did? 11:23 <{Demo}> ok no, did elven rogue apparently, the vampire was before it and a barb 11:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:19397 11:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3395 11:39 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 11:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) was given the Shield of Yggdrasil, on T:5831 11:40 <@Joanna> Bleh i have no energy for anything today 11:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Vam Mal Cha), 13558 points, T:4034, killed by a triton, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:41 confused charging? 11:41 <@Joanna> All out of scrolls too :C 11:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) wished for "2 cursed potions of giant turtle blood", on T:5999 11:41 <{Demo}> anything to confuse urself with at least? 11:42 <@Joanna> Hopefully tomorrow i can get to the stationery store for markers 11:42 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #hardfought 11:42 <@Joanna> Not currently demo... But my sister sent me 20 quid for takeout so maybe i can get beer with it lol 11:45 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 18 points, T:128, killed by a bear trap 11:46 <@Joanna> Lol that's cruel 11:46 <{Demo}> silver beartrap searing pain 11:51 <@riker> "The stone giant shoots a small rock!" 11:51 <@riker> i guess they're fresh out of boulders 11:51 <{Demo}> stoner giant slex monster lol 11:52 stoner giants carry potions of hallu 11:52 <@Joanna> Lol 11:53 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:9051 11:56 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 597 points, T:1277, sent to the next life by a giant bat 11:58 <@Joanna> Oh i just realised I can make potions of gain energy 11:58 <{Demo}> uh oh 11:58 <@Joanna> Just add hot water to the leaves 11:58 <{Demo}> ok good 11:59 <{Demo}> shit, i might make some tea as well 11:59 <@Joanna> Lol did you think I meant meth or some shit 11:59 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 11:59 <{Demo}> "make potions of gain energy" could mean anything 11:59 <@Joanna> I guess 11:59 <{Demo}> like, idk, adrenochrome from screaming children or whatever that conspiracy goes 12:00 <@Joanna> Altho i imagine probs as something you drink 12:00 <@Joanna> So likely tea coffee or some sugar and co2 thing 12:01 <@Joanna> Potions * 12:02 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 13709 points, T:12918, killed by a gnome king 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3075 12:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3097 12:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3219 12:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 12:22 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:6037 12:27 Yah I did 12:27 I consulted the hell out of her 12:27 {Demo}: lol now i wanna watch fear and loathing 12:27 jsut becauset thats the only thing i know adrenochrome ferom 12:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 42021 points, T:7921, killed by an ammit 12:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:14205 12:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:14995 12:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:6535 12:42 why isn't there a key to toggle autodig, or at least an enhanced command? it's such an obvious useful thing there must be a reason i'm too dense to see 12:43 I usually just leave mine on 12:43 That being said, I have yet to ascend so... :D 12:43 so do i but if you're wielding a mattock, it's a pita because you waste turns digging when you would rather have bumped into a wall 12:43 Ah, of course 12:44 <{Demo}> I agree 12:44 <{Demo}> with this message 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6884 12:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2365 12:49 <@riker> hey k2 any dnh us crashes under rikersan?? 12:49 <@luxidream> difficulty in NetHack is almost exclusively tactical 12:50 discuss 12:50 btw luxi thanks for the commentary on the race. it was terrific 12:50 Seconding hothraxxa 12:51 <@luxidream> thanks! 12:51 <@luxidream> missed some key moments but it’s hard to see everything 12:52 we definitely took you off track a couple of times, so that was inevitabel 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4519 12:52 eg protection stacking 12:53 i wonder if it's possible to hook up Beholder to send a message in twitch chat when the runners reach key points 12:53 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 1247 points, T:1043, cut down by a giant ant 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 3975 points, T:4730, killed by a wand 12:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 927322 points, T:43012, quit 12:54 i also like the displays they use in randomiser races 12:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1897 points, T:1158, killed by a giant ant 12:54 that shows which items each runner has 12:54 but those are manually maintained afaict, and that's probably harder to keep up with for nethack 12:54 if they used curses then you'd have that, or rather something close to that 12:55 yeah, but screen real estate is quite precious it seems 12:55 that would really make the screen display bad for twitch 12:55 how does Beholder work under the hood? 12:55 like, how does it know when a player achieves something? 12:56 those events are livelogged 12:56 <@luxidream> I think aoei wanted to use curses 12:56 yes i wanted to and i did lol 12:56 only issue was i also wanted perm_invent 12:56 <@luxidream> but since stenno uses 80x24 tty, it wouldn’t look good without some tweaking 12:56 but that was hard to fit in 12:56 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 12:57 <@luxidream> stenno should use curses for the next race 12:57 * tinklebear harrumphs 12:57 perm-invent is what we're talking about though 12:58 <@luxidream> infinigon, we could probably write something that parses the message line for items picked up , dropped, and bagged 12:59 <@luxidream> And then provide that to viewers via a bot command 12:59 yeah, that would be super awesome 12:59 does the livelog output all messages? 12:59 livelog only does certain things 12:59 Tangles: googling livelog I found this https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/31 12:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:59 is this the latest up to date livelog code? 13:00 <@luxidream> actually just parsing game output wouldn’t work, since speedrunners often clear multi line messages with esc 13:00 yeah, I think it would still need some in-game integration somehow 13:00 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 9446 points, T:16283, killed by a giant zombie 13:00 i think tangles has beholder on github 13:01 yeah something integrating into the actual source would be ideal lux but also a way more involved patch 13:02 I'm not opposed to doing some work here :P 13:02 well bhaak was talking about adding seed support so why not ask him for this at the same time? 13:02 * infinigon will code for free twitch entertainment 13:02 infinigon: i might be motivated to get involved in that tbh 13:02 beholder livelogging is a good place to start 13:02 :D 13:02 yeah, I think so too 13:03 that already does a lot of what we need 13:03 which is why I want to see where the latest patch is at 13:03 maybe ask Tangles 13:03 <@luxidream> one thing I would like that’s much simpler is for beholder to report real-time in some way 13:03 I have a feeling he did a fair bit of that code 13:03 ok so basically you guys are creating racehack 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:1832 13:04 <@luxidream> speedhack 13:04 that's a slightly different thing but sure 13:05 -!- attie has quit [Quit: gone afk] 13:05 <@luxidream> it should be easy to get beholder in twitch with irc integration 13:05 bhaak: i was joking btw 13:06 in case he sees that 13:06 K2: which repo has hardfought's 3.7.0 (with livelog patches etc)? 13:06 Tangles mate are you about? 13:08 <@luxidream> https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/tree/3.7-hdf 13:08 <@luxidream> infinigon: 13:08 ^ that 13:08 yeah that looks like the right thing 13:08 thanks lux/K2 13:08 thanks thanks 13:08 ok, gotta wrap some stuff at Real Work 13:08 then gonna take a look at this later tonight 13:08 okey 13:09 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 501 points, T:816, killed by a giant bat 13:09 i'll let you know if i am able to get a version running for testing purposes 13:09 :D 13:09 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 1869 points, T:2203, slaughtered by a wallaby 13:11 @luxidream why the random paste of what I said? am I missing something? 13:13 <@luxidream> oh I was about to discuss something about before getting sidetracked 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2770 points, T:2686, killed by a wounded invisible gnome lady, while praying 13:14 <@luxidream> there are a lot of strategic mistakes in nethack made still, just look at https://alt.org/nethack/wishes.html 13:14 <@luxidream> granted that hasn't been updated for 3.6, but I imagine it's still similar 13:14 idk the top ones look fairly solid 13:15 GoP i probably never would wish for 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3821 13:15 "blessed magic marker" is questionable 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3868 13:16 <@luxidream> that has its uses, infinigon 13:16 sometimes you need it if you're tc running or atheist but in general i would just get uncursed 13:16 it does but it shouldn't be #2 13:16 the fact that it's 2x more common than uncursed 13:16 yeah that is odd 13:16 makes me think that the "blessed" annotation was just applying the heuristic "blessed is best!" 13:17 <@luxidream> +oID, gops, helm of brilliance 13:17 +oID is a convenience wish for some roles 13:17 wizard should never wish for it obviously 13:18 i have very strong opinions of how to make a wish but i do not intent to divulge my strategies 13:18 intend 13:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Bar Orc Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:1889 13:18 hothraxxa: that's not true 13:18 you were expounding htem to me before 13:18 use lots of adjectives iirc 13:18 "All original content on this site is copyright (c)2000-2113 M. Drew Streib" 13:18 was the take-home message 13:18 hmm 13:18 infinigon: that's dtype i think 13:18 also lol 2113 13:18 i meant the year 13:18 hahahaa 13:19 <@luxidream> yeah I don't see any funny hothraxxa wishes near the top 13:19 oh aoei, do you really think i revealed EVERYTHING? 13:19 <@luxidream> this page should really be updated for 3.6+ 13:19 hothraxxa: : o 13:19 perhaps not! 13:19 i should have known 13:19 infinigon: saves me having to change it year to year 13:19 also those copyright notices are mildly silly 13:19 just declare copyright is plenty 13:20 dtype: lol 13:20 legally there's little differrence 13:20 can you just copyright everyone's wishes tho? 13:20 that seems fucked 13:20 haha 13:20 <@luxidream> This page last updated on Sun Sep 17 14:10:26 2006 13:20 i said original content 13:20 <@luxidream> 😦 13:20 ah original meaning 13:21 yeah ok i think i got it 13:21 also somewhere pretty sure I declare all of the game data to be some kind of copyleft 13:21 lol 13:21 or at least I meant to 13:21 i usually use some light creative commons variant 13:22 the attribution only one 13:22 the BSD of copyleft 13:22 haha scroll to the bottom 13:22 "your mom", "your penis", "wand of polhymorph", "want of polymorph" 13:22 ah, yes, it's strategic mistakes all the way down 13:23 <@luxidream> 4738 1 0.00 my sweetie's happiness 13:23 <{Demo}> "i've lost count of how many games i find a WoW in the Val" 13:24 <{Demo}> "hmm" 13:24 awe lux that one is cute 13:25 <@luxidream> most wholesome one so far 13:25 <@luxidream> wonder what the story is behind the "omputer Science and Information Technology Division" ones 13:25 <@luxidream> accidental paste? 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5103 13:25 haha 13:25 i think this is accidental paste too: 13:25 that's easy. typing in the wrong window 13:25 our debt. I will grant one wish!"--More- 13:26 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:26 that one i will grant must be a paste error 13:26 yeah lol 13:26 100% 13:26 lol "plane ticket" 13:26 but to where?? 13:26 astral of course 13:26 <@luxidream> when the djinni gives you a wish but you uno reverse 13:27 searched for carl to see if there were any classic hothraxxa wishes back then 13:27 and someone appears to have put an email address in there 13:27 lol 13:27 hahaha 13:27 nice 13:28 <@luxidream> oh I see 13:28 <@luxidream> you searched for carl 13:28 i didn't wish for carl until i switched to playing here 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:39692 13:29 i'm not sure when i adopted my wishing style but i think it was while i still played on alt.org 13:29 * aoei wishes for hothraxxa's fireproof winged hemp boots of high carl with added THC and long papers 13:30 cornflower papers 13:30 oh no i forgot to grease them :c 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5852 13:30 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3657 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide elven helm of telepathy", on T:39721 13:30 i use only vapourizers now anyway 13:31 doens't fit nethack very well though 13:31 flavour-wise 13:31 <{Demo}> ndnh has gnomes with vapes 13:31 maybe dnh or slash'em it works 13:31 haha nice {Demo} 13:31 i know. the only things that vapourizre are pieces of armour 13:31 lol 13:31 weapons too i think 13:31 oh right. evilhack black dragons 13:32 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3747 13:32 also overenchantment in vanilla 13:32 i guess they disintegrate. nm 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:39726 13:32 you can vaporise both weapons and armour doing that 13:32 sadly true 13:32 * aoei goes to brew another potion of gain energy 13:33 aoei: GoP is a very much valid wish in some cases, I think some of the more veteran players might be undervaluing it 13:33 but that's just my opinion and I'm not a very good player 13:33 but my point is that, high str gives a very substantial damage bonus 13:33 like +6 iirc 13:33 I usually wish for GoP if I don't come across gloves 13:34 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3840 13:34 which could be very useful for some earlygame players 13:34 <@luxidream> wishing for dsm early is almost always better 13:34 @luxidream oh yeah, obviously 13:34 but in case you get more 13:35 <@luxidream> at castle you most likely have 18/01 str, from which gop gives +3 damage 13:35 <@luxidream> not really worth a wish imo 13:35 I tend to play wiz and have horrible str :P 13:36 <@luxidream> on some of my practice runs with wow I would wish for gop for the carrying capacity 13:36 <@luxidream> but I wouldn't consider that normal use 13:37 I've done that too but I think that's just laziness on my part 13:37 <@luxidream> at least they're better than dex gauntlets, which see wishes sometime too 13:37 not really it being a good wish 13:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a troll, on T:7022 13:37 I wish for GoD in grunthack :P 13:38 mostly because I wish for All The Things property-wise 13:38 gauntlets of dexterity and power 13:39 you missed dragonhide 13:39 and historic 13:40 @luxidream btw, is SDSM still generally better than GDSM in 3.6? I think nowdays, GDSM is generally better due to the MC nerf to CoMR 13:40 and holy diluted unlocked extinguished greased fixed very thoroughly +5 13:41 historic dragonhide weed grinder and long-papers pouch of power 13:41 dude. you should come round to my place, i have some really nice strains i'd like you to try 13:41 sounds great 13:41 :> 13:41 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #hardfought 13:41 tfw no head shop in mine town 13:42 hahaha 13:42 hothraxxa: as a grunthack wiz, my kit is typically dragonhide cornuthaum of brilliance, dragonhide T-shirt of displacement, dragonhide cloak of magic resistance and reflection, yellow dragon scale mail of drain resistance, dragonhide gauntlets of dexterity and power, dragonhide boots of water walking and speed 13:42 exactly what i'd choose 13:43 no wait, i'd want t-shirt of warning 13:43 <@luxidream> FIQ: MC doesn't matter 13:43 <@luxidream> for speedrunning I choose GDSM to possibly save a wish, which can be important 13:43 hm 13:43 <@luxidream> for certain roles with low HP SDSM is better early on 13:43 I wonder why far more people wish for oof compared to EotA and PYEC 13:43 I consider the latter 2 to be far better, especially PYEC in 3.6 13:44 <@luxidream> oof is a better artifact 13:44 oof is very heavy 13:44 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 5305 points, T:5489, cut down by a soldier ant 13:44 fiq: in grunt you MUST have warning imo, because beholders 13:44 slotless MR is nice 13:44 hothraxxa: oh, I just genocide them 13:44 <@luxidream> eota is not slotless 13:44 @luxidream was back in 3.4.3 13:44 <@luxidream> pyec can be stolen, and is of only minor utility 13:44 which I'm far more used to 13:45 everyone's sleepin on the eyes of the overworld 13:45 you can genocide beholders in grunt? i did not know that 13:45 gives +50% fashion bonus from the purple lenses 13:45 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Kni Hum Fem Law), 196452 points, T:32464, killed by a priestess of Moloch, while paralyzed by a monster 13:45 hothraxxa: and how exactly does warning help? 13:45 they're like level 10 13:45 their warning level is 2, maybe 3 13:45 doesn't stand out 13:45 so you know they're coming and don't die 13:46 if you see a 5 you put on your blindfold until you verify it's not a beholder 13:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Father Dagon, on T:20879 13:46 and how does a beholder stand out from the countless other warning 2-3 monsters 13:46 5??? 13:46 they're level 10 13:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Mother Hydra, on T:20882 13:46 ok i must be confusing evilhack beholders 13:47 oh sorry I was wrong 13:48 they're not level 10 13:48 they're level 6 13:48 MON("beholder", S_EYE, 13:48 LVL(6, 3, 4, 0, -10), (G_GENO|2), 13:48 A(ATTK(AT_GAZE, AD_SLOW, 0, 0), ATTK(AT_GAZE, AD_SLEE, 2,25), 13:48 ATTK(AT_GAZE, AD_DISN, 0, 0), ATTK(AT_GAZE, AD_STON, 0, 0), 13:48 ATTK(AT_GAZE, AD_CNCL, 2, 4), ATTK(AT_BITE, AD_PHYS, 2, 4)), 13:48 most stupid monster in the entire game imo 13:48 I hate it' 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:7739 13:50 <{Demo}> behold 13:50 funny i've played a lot of grunthack and i didn't know you could genocide them. i blame too much evilhack 13:50 they're like 13:50 #1 genocid target 13:50 used to be #3 after getting rid of spitting monsters 13:50 due to their crash bug 13:51 they fixed that before i played much grunt 13:51 yeah that is nice 13:52 Is it possible to have Beholder share a paritcular stat about monsters here? 13:52 Pinobot used to do that 13:52 but it's no longer here 13:52 pinobot is kill 13:52 @v?silver dragon 13:53 would give info about the silver D 13:53 but it no longer works 13:53 beholder would forward it onto pinobot but rip 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 16958 points, T:8152, killed by petrification 13:54 Yah, butt rip 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:39874 13:54 What is the best use of a wand of polymorph I find? 13:54 Is it polypiling? Hitting a pet? 13:54 to polypile stuff 13:54 Something else? 13:54 And should I start that striaght up? 13:54 hitting a pet can be fun but it can die 13:54 Or wait? 13:55 and is, optimally speaking, a waste of charges 13:55 hitting a pet can be hit or miss 13:55 <@malor> polypiling and/or poly-self if you have poly control. Hitting a pet can't be good expected-value. 13:55 it might turn into a dragon or into a gas spore 13:55 i agree, using one on a pet is a waste 13:55 i rarely poly-self. i polypile a lot 13:55 I mean you could line stuff up so you can both polypile and hit a pet 13:55 I've done that sometimes 13:55 <@malor> good point FIQ 13:55 but it's kinda luck-based 13:56 most of the time the pet turns into something useless or only marginally better than the regular forms 13:56 Okay — how much stuff should I have beforfe I start polypiling? 13:56 polytrap + magic whistle is probably best for getting a decent pet 13:56 last time I did it, I got a queen bee 13:56 that was fun with the poison instadeath 13:56 Like, if I find this pre-sokoban, is that a good time to start? 13:56 but it doesn't really work well past earlygame 13:56 <@luxidream> not enough loot 13:56 when stuff starts being poison resistant 13:56 How mcuh loot do I want? 13:57 there is no simple answer 13:57 Just a heuristic 13:57 Something rough so I know not to wait until end game 13:57 ludios can be a good spot if you want armor 13:57 <@luxidream> since it loses items, I tend to use it if I have an abundance of useless items 13:57 but generally I think rings and amulets are the best targets for polypiling 13:57 <@luxidream> and not to use it on unidentified items 13:58 you inevitably end up accumulating a bunch of uselesss stuff 13:58 *useless 13:58 that you can turn into more useful stuff 13:58 <@luxidream> !whereis Deathsushi 13:58 @luxidream: Deathsushi is not playing. 13:58 amulet polypiling can give you several amulets versus YASD 13:58 polypiling is often useless unless you also have some ID on hand 13:58 i like to poly scrolls 13:58 which is the top killer for longer games for me 13:58 you can almost play markerless 13:58 unless you're late enough in the game where everything's already IDed 13:59 so I basically always wear it 13:59 <@luxidream> amulet of full healing 13:59 oh yeah, don't polypile if you don't have ID 13:59 if you don't know if what you have is junk or not, and you don't know what you got back out is junk is not 13:59 then what was the point? 13:59 you'll not be able to ID what you get 13:59 <@luxidream> polypile makes id though 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 219 points, T:529, killed by an uninjured werejackal 14:00 @luxidream once I have LS, I basically always win that game 14:00 because I'm not really that bad of a player I think, just very reckless 14:00 <@luxidream> a bold statement 14:00 and LS cures that well enough 14:00 <@luxidream> I burn through LS like full healing lol 14:00 if I burn a LS, I consider that as me playing badly 14:00 i, otoh, almsot never wear it 14:01 which inevitably ends up with me playing far more carefully 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:39970 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) genocided arch-liches, on T:39970 14:01 the exception are variants like grunthack 14:01 where you can just die out of nowhere suddenly 14:01 because of random bs 14:01 like vorpal weapons 14:01 Deathsushi: polypiling is better when you can mass bless stuff 14:01 aye 14:02 Deathsushi: polypiling is better while you still are lacking a lot of things you want 14:02 <@luxidream> I do find myself weaker in the end game than most normal games 14:02 i've not found that to be 14:02 oops 14:02 i've not found that to be much incentive to wear it even in grunt 14:02 but that's just me 14:02 <@luxidream> you avoid every vorpal? 14:03 I've died to grunt vorpal twice I think 14:03 no i just believe that my chances of winning aren't enahanced much by wearing lifesaving 14:03 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03 so I'd never not wear LS in it if I can 14:03 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 14:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:22400 14:04 <@luxidream> I find it weird that "life saving doesn't matter" is a common sentiment 14:04 Deathsushi: polypiling is better if you know the enchantments/charges of the polyfodder 14:04 i will wear it if i don't have something i'd prefer. in grunt you don't need the amulet slot, so why not i guess 14:04 <@luxidream> but very few if any would say that full healing doesn't matter 14:04 luxi: it matters. just not enough to make much difference to mer 14:04 @luxidream there is valid reasoning for it, but I think the reasoning is far more valid early on than late 14:04 i guess the argument isn't so much "life saving doesn't matter", more that it takes up a valuable slot 14:04 yes 14:04 basically, if you have the choice of LS and reflection earlygame, the latter might be better 14:05 to not lose random items to winter wolves and such 14:05 but later on, I think LS is probably always optimal apart from corner cases 14:05 since you can always choose to put in another amulet later if you burn the LS 14:06 <@luxidream> well, I don't find 2weapon to be valuable, but that's another unpopular opinion 🙂 14:06 why not? 14:06 it greatly boosts damage potential 14:06 which means less damage done to you 14:06 unless you like to be surrounded, where I guess a shield is nice 14:06 <@luxidream> in order to wear life saving with it you need comr+sdsm, which requires at least one wish 14:07 <@luxidream> in order to make it more worthwhile you need surplus enchant weapon, which I often don't have 14:07 ..but you do have surplus EA? 14:08 <@luxidream> and lastly I don't like switching between a pick-axe and a twoweapon setup 14:08 @luxidream incidentally, was enchant armor the reason fh tou was OP previously 14:08 with the guranteed charged marker 14:08 Thanks for the answers everyone. It sounds like I want to have at least a bunch of items if I'm going to start polypiling — and it sounds more like a mid to late game thing to do 14:08 Eg, Level 10, probably arrived at the castle, etc. 14:08 <@luxidream> FIQ: yes 14:09 or you could skip polypiling entirely because it's op as balls and kinda boring 14:09 <@luxidream> but what does enchant armor have to do with it 14:09 :D 14:09 doesn't that make vanilla tou OP too 14:09 20% of the time 14:09 @luxidream "yes it was because of EA, but what does enchant armor have to do with it" ??? 14:09 <@luxidream> I was talking about surplus enchant weapon 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:34731 14:10 <@luxidream> and then you said enchant armor 14:10 ah 14:10 <@luxidream> I am confused about what twoweaponing has to do with armor 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34732 14:10 well I assumed you'd have a shield 14:10 instead of 2weapon 14:10 <@luxidream> the shield doesn't need to be fully enchanted 14:10 Deathsushi: poly wand is also a potential emergency escape item from certain monsters, if you're otherwise unprepared to handle them 14:10 what is 1-2 extra AC going to do if your AC is at -20ish anyway 14:11 <@luxidream> allows me to wear life saving with gdsm 14:11 <@luxidream> also only 4% of tourists get a marker 14:11 tinklebear: aren't the vast majority of monsters you'd want to get rid of quickly also highly magic resistant 14:11 the only exception being minotaurs that I can think of 14:11 <@luxidream> olog-hai 14:11 @luxidream huh I thought it was 20% 14:12 but ok 14:12 FIQ: some, but not all. not air E. not energy vortex (quite difficult if you lack ranged attack) 14:12 can't you just throw your melee weapon at it 14:12 <@luxidream> I'd rather deal with an energy vortex than whatever comes out of that poly wand 14:12 and then pick it up and do it again 14:12 FIQ: will that kill it before it kills you? maybe. maybe not. 14:13 <@luxidream> energy vortices deal very little damage 14:13 <@luxidream> unless you melee them 14:13 aren't energy vortices only dangerous because of their passive dmg 14:13 sometimes you don't have the HP you'd like to have 14:14 at least they no longer drain all your pw and max pw 14:14 that was fun 14:14 in 3.6.0 14:14 tinklebear: but isn't their active damage really low? 14:15 <@luxidream> 1d6 shock 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 mithril shield of reflection", on T:40682 14:15 so yeah 14:15 low 14:15 well ok it's not insignificant 14:15 but manageable 14:16 it's the 0d4 passive that is truly dangerous 14:16 which is why you don't want to melee them 14:17 they are fast, so you may not be able to avoid them, and if your ranged attack is lame, they might kill you. 14:18 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:18 but you are certainly correct that melee hits are a bad idea 14:18 why do you need ranged attacks 14:18 if you're engulfed, it's not like you're going to miss with your thrown melee weapon 14:18 and how much damage does that do? 14:19 <@luxidream> However much your melee attack does 14:19 iirc the same as whacking it with a melee attack 14:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:24498 14:20 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 14:21 YASI: spellbook of guiding light, makes a yellow light that will route to the furthest staircase from your location 14:22 * tinklebear would like to point out that throw-pickup-throw does only half the rate of damage as your melee strikes do 14:22 in exchange for not dying in like 3 hits from the vortex 14:22 I'd take the trade 14:23 FIQ: nobody ever suggested striking them hand-to-hand 14:23 <@luxidream> better than polymorphing it 14:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Oona, on T:24998 14:25 @luxidream: emergencies occur. 14:25 -!- attie has joined #hardfought 14:26 @luxidream and FIQ: you say true things. but you're fixating on one example, under ideal circumstances. and emergencies are not ideal. 14:26 @luxidream polymorph is very unlikely to not be useful since a polymorphed creature's HP is set to 1 if polymorphed into a non-engulfing monster. However, it's still a waste of a charge if you're doing it with a wand 14:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3950 14:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:25198 14:27 <@luxidream> see, I didn't know that 🙂 14:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:29872 14:28 there's even a dudley's dungeon strip about this iirc 14:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25277 14:28 <@luxidream> tinklebear, I think we were discussing low-MR monsters that are a normal target for polymorph 14:28 <@luxidream> in non-emergencies 14:28 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 14:28 probably made by someone who encountered it in-game 14:28 <@luxidream> seeing a minotaur at poor AC, you probably zap polymorph at it 14:29 just watch the rng throw a purple L at you instead :P 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 387 points, T:1449, killed by a wounded gnome mummy 14:29 14:10 Deathsushi: poly wand is also a potential emergency escape item from certain monsters, if you're otherwise unprepared to handle them 14:30 ^ emergeny 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2 points, T:39, killed by a nearly deceased sewer rat 14:30 <@luxidream> then you could argue that for any number of monsters, not just one that deals 1d6 shock damage 14:31 <@luxidream> I just don't think it is the best example 14:31 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 14:31 that's why I said 'certain' monsters. and when pressed, included air E. 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 400 points, T:1397, killed by a coyote 14:32 energy vortex came to mind because I was caught by one in no-tele level at low hp with shit melee weap and no ranged attack, recently. and poly wand saved my ass. 14:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41342 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Anu, on T:35352 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 276 points, T:1222, killed by a wounded giant mimic 14:38 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 14:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 14:43 <@Joanna> Tbf a lot of what lux is saying is optimised for fast low resource games 14:43 <@Joanna> Normal games are usually stacked enough not to need aols or full heals on astral 14:44 <@Joanna> Wishes are tighter because you gotta write more scrolls thus wish for markers 14:45 twoweapon is a pretty reasonable play for a normal game i think 14:46 altho if you have a polykit you can just increase your damage output with mmf or elvenmonach 14:46 elvenmonarch* 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1333 14:46 elvenmonarch lets you twoweapon your main lol 14:46 it's stacked af 14:46 you can dual-wield +6 excal or grays effectively 14:47 it's kinda broken it's super cool 14:47 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:48 the only downside is elves can't use it 14:48 if your base race is elf it's not allowed 14:49 and then what are you gonna do be a dwarf noble instead? they kinda suck i think because of the low speed 14:49 i think elf just uses mmf 14:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) wished for "cursed fixed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:27774 14:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed the invisible Grue, on T:28500 14:58 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5098 15:01 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:5211 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:39074 15:01 * tinklebear re-reads backscroll 15:02 god I'm bad at distinguishing corner cases from canonical ones 15:02 lux and FIQ were totally on point. 15:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) wished for "cursed fixed greased +2 godhands", on T:29101 15:03 tinklebear: what were they on point about? 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3817 15:04 that when I characterised energy vortices as "quite difficult if you lack ranged attack", i was overstating the case 15:04 ah yeah 15:04 they don't haev a lot of bite really 15:04 tho they can destroy your rings in certain very anoying situations 15:04 fortunately this only happens after they spit you out and doesn't happen often 15:05 btw, incase you weren't already aware, you can also zap teleportation at the monster you're engulfed by, if you're on a no-tele level they port but you don't 15:05 on tele-allowed levels you both port 15:05 so it doesn't help 15:06 hey, what happens if you zap create monster while engulfed? 15:07 hm 15:07 i don't know 15:07 tinklebear: quickly! to the wiztestmobile 15:07 ! 15:07 lol 15:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4225 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:4273 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2188 points, T:4283, killed by a wounded giant mimic 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:39336 15:11 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 15:11 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:29638 15:13 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:42308 15:13 I assume the monster would be created outside the vortex or whatever is engulfing you 15:13 anything else would be silly 15:14 makes sense 15:15 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) destroyed davez's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:6517 15:17 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3890 15:27 fred is wise 15:29 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 15:29 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #hardfought 15:31 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:33 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7839 15:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed Daemon, on T:32339 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:5350 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 258 points, T:1058, killed by a giant spider 15:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:33040 15:39 engulfed by lurker above, zap create monster (no message), put on slow digestion to get expelled, and oh look there's an orc-captain that wasn't there before 15:40 i told ya 15:40 fred is wise 15:41 the light of truth 15:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:33270 15:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:33288 15:47 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:9414 15:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:34408 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Anu, on T:36274 15:49 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:34552 15:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:34622 15:50 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 22272 points, T:9479, cut down by a crocodile, while praying 15:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Rog Vam Fem Cha), 7145074 points, T:34651, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rikersan/dnethack/dumplog/1611677302.dnh.txt 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 715 points, T:1888, killed by an uninjured jackal 15:52 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 15:56 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 15:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7199 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:43929 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:37199 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (master liches), on T:37199 16:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:37305 16:05 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 18869 points, T:9433, killed by an owlbear 16:20 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Roamer, on T:38437 16:26 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:38722 16:31 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Nomad, on T:38756 16:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] kalik (Arc Clk Mal Neu), 206 points, T:88, killed by a gnome 16:37 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Rog Elf Fem Cha), 790 points, T:1894, killed by a bolt of lightning 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9289 16:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3735 16:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3877 16:45 @luxidream time? 16:45 also gg 16:45 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 248 points, T:1014, killed by Ms. Kalecik, the shopkeeper 16:52 <@luxidream> 1:28 16:52 <@luxidream> no pick until sanctum so 🤷 16:53 boo 16:53 i have a 1:12 medusa kill 16:53 trash rings and no early wish 16:53 but a decent number of scrolls and some holy water 16:53 so its not terrible 16:53 also i genocided L already 16:53 which is nice 16:53 so no purpL at castle 16:54 guaranteed 16:54 @luxidream perseus only had a scimitar ._. 16:54 i have a sack and "oR already tho 16:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 2126 points, T:4338, killed by a heavily wounded Woodland-elf 16:54 plus i have a frost horn so castle should be easy 16:55 bad percy 16:55 Hihi folks 16:55 i can just E Elbereth with lightning 16:55 do the drawbridge smashy thing 16:55 ...haven't seen Neko in a bit :c 16:55 should be fine 16:55 eh she's probs fine. or was it they. i forgot 16:56 GG on latest ascend btw, Luxi 16:56 @lux ok i have levi and tonal 16:56 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:56 backdoor or drawbridge 16:56 it's 3.6.6. 16:56 so i can make them all fall in the holes 16:56 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1569 16:56 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1178 points, T:2554, killed by a giant beetle 16:57 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 743 points, T:1566, dispatched by a pony 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 327 points, T:1402, killed by a bear trap 17:00 dammit 17:00 lux is already doing another valkgdq 17:00 so will probably not respond to my question until he has ascended 17:00 i'll probably go with tonal entry 17:01 i could also stop playing i guess 17:01 alcohol is a kps depressant unfortunately 17:02 Huge enhancement to your Rads per Minute though 17:02 Rads per Minute? 17:03 Yah 17:03 Get those radicals up there 17:03 wossat 17:03 wow man 17:03 that's like 17:03 so radical 17:03 It's the radiclest 17:03 ;o 17:03 okey someone pick me a movie plox 17:04 maybe i should rewatch starship troopers 17:04 that movie is nuts 17:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 227 points, T:1165, killed by a wounded cave spider 17:07 have you read the novel too, aoei? 17:07 no unfortunatley i have not 17:07 i will add it to my list 17:09 The movie and novel are v. much different experiences 17:09 Umbire: true! 17:09 umby have you seen galaxy quest 17:09 that movie is also bonkers 17:10 galaxy quest is one of my favourite movies 17:10 it's pretty wild hothraxxa :D 17:10 it might even be better with some choice herbs 17:11 the fifth element 17:11 princess bride 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) averted death (drowned in a moat by a couatl), on T:40627 17:11 fifth element is quality 17:11 i dont think ive actually seen princess bride 17:11 I have not 17:12 ok 17:12 add it to ur list 17:12 you can thank me later 17:12 you must. it's one of the best movies ever 17:12 hothraxxa: are you talkin to umby about galaxy quest now, or to me about princess bride? 17:12 princess bride, but galaxy quest is also excellent 17:13 okey 17:13 my sister gave me this netflix login thingy 17:13 maybe they have it? 17:13 i don't use netflix but those are both classics so i'd say there's a good chance 17:14 i know galaxy quest is on amazon prime here, not sure about princess bride 17:14 doesnt look like it but i have a few other scrounged logins i can try 17:14 let's see.. 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2124 17:14 don't describe cult classic movies as "the best ever", you set people up for disappointment that way 17:15 yes except princess bride really is the best ever 17:15 aosdict has a point maybe 17:15 oic 17:15 idk, people hyped rhps like crazy 17:15 i was *not* disappointed 17:15 it was all kinds of nuts and more 17:16 sure. look, everyone should realize that all ratings are subjective, 17:16 rhps is something of a special case even among cult classics tho 17:16 lets be honest 17:16 indeed it is 17:17 audience participation 17:17 buh 17:17 neither netflix, nowtv nor disneyplus have galaxy quest 17:17 wahts even the point in having these logins i ask u 17:17 probably because amazon prime has it 17:17 boooo 17:18 without rocky horror I don't think I'd ever grok what people see in musicals 17:18 or did the last time i looked 17:18 yeah i think only amazon prime has princess bride, too 17:18 so that sucks 17:18 because that's one of the ones i do not have a sister sourced login for 17:18 idk tinklebear im not that into them either but i did also enjoy rent 17:19 it has a good title for sure, aoei 17:19 wow that's erm 17:19 that's a very strong endorsement XD 17:19 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:19 hair 17:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed quervo1's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:2859 17:19 lol, hothraxxa 17:19 "title was ok" 17:19 "everything else was SHIT" 17:19 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1408 17:20 hair is great if you just see it it as a series of loosely related decent songs. the plot, not so much 17:20 also, naked people 17:20 naked peope huh 17:20 sounds good to me 👀 17:21 it was the 60s 17:21 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 17:21 rent was cheap then. so hair it was. 17:22 i wish rent was cheap today 17:22 * tinklebear nods emphatically 17:22 at least it's cheaper here than where im from 17:22 same here! 17:22 Hamburg is expensive by german standards 17:22 but it makes the south of england look even more insane by comparison 17:22 altho it is actually just pretty insane 17:24 tinklebear: my mum rents a council house in south england right 17:24 it would cost half a million quids to buy it 17:24 it is not a fancy house 17:24 hm. hamburg is 11% cheaper than toronto for rent 17:24 3 bedroom narrowish terraced job with a small kitchen 17:25 two floors 17:25 half a million quids if u please 17:25 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 1472 points, T:2102, struck down by a hill orc 17:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:25 no wait. hamburg is 27% cheaper based on rent alone 17:25 wow 17:26 check cambridge, uk lol 17:26 yeah toronto is really REALLY nuts 17:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4207 17:26 cambridge is the half a million quids for a relatively normal house 17:26 it's also nuts 17:26 anyone else really hate monkeytown? I think I'd rather have orctown. 17:27 bouquet: well the monkeys steal my stuff and are really annoying to kill 17:27 so yeah 17:27 it drives me nuts 17:27 plus teh shops are crap 17:27 it drives me "bananas" 17:27 weeeeeey 17:27 ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 17:27 rimshot 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] vhorthor (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1647 points, T:4344, killed by an uninjured soldier ant 17:29 so rent where i live is 12.5% lower than hamburg 17:29 oh nice 17:29 Go team a! 17:29 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 17:29 hothraxxa: did you compare cambridge uk 17:30 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a mithril runed dagger on an altar, on T:4610 17:30 i didn't but you can: https://www.numbeo.com/cost-of-living/ 17:30 omg a coaligned altar! I didn't think such a thing existed in evilhack 17:30 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:30 one of those rabbithole sites 17:30 bouquet: you're going to die 17:30 hothraxxa: i wanna see how it compares to toronto and to your place lol 17:31 i live in barrie ontario 17:31 aboit 100 km north of toronto 17:32 ok rent apparently is still cheaper in cambridge 17:32 i have 27% lower rent than cambridge 17:32 than toronto 17:32 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 17:32 toronto is one of the worst anywhere i think 17:32 but purchasing power is lower 17:32 in cambridge 17:32 yes 17:32 than in toronto 17:33 toronto's house prices are in a bubble though aren't they, from foreign investors or something? 17:33 maybe I'm mixing up cities 17:33 rent in cambridge is 20% higher than hamburg 17:33 amateurhour: if so its the same problem as much of south england then lol 17:33 amateurhour: they are indeed 17:35 purchasing power back home is also 10% lower than what i have here 17:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed AlbertB's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:10570 17:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had a steel dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:5315 17:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Dem Fem Una) made her first wish - "cursed +2 Dragonbane", on T:46580 17:43 was about to ask "why cursed" then saw Inf 17:44 oh yeah how does that work actually 17:44 cursed stuff if you're infidel is good 17:44 how/why 17:44 what 17:44 lol 17:44 i mean i know you're on moloch's side so it kinda makes sense 17:44 but i dont remember how it actually works 17:44 i think cursed stuff doesnt stick to you possibly 17:44 but maybe that's more to it 17:45 from what I vaguely recall it functions to how blessed stuff would for anyone else 17:46 I have SDSM — is cloak of protection or cloak of MR more valuable? 17:46 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8678 points, T:7331, killed by a fire ant 17:46 do you have MR? 17:46 Go team a! 17:46 Not beyond the cloak, that I'm aware of 17:46 Boo ants boo 17:46 then the cloak if you don't have any other source 17:46 if you don't have MR that should be the priority 17:47 Got it. What other sources are there? 17:47 That are commonly used? 17:47 quest artys 17:47 artis* 17:47 gdsm 17:47 Got it 17:47 ^ 17:47 Thank you! 17:47 but they have silver 17:47 so they need something to complement that and idk if splice like 17:47 yes and i've often switched 17:47 adds new MR sources or what 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 4294 points, T:5610, zombified by an elf zombie, while sleeping 17:47 fuckin' zombies, man... 17:48 right now, mr is the obvious thing to use 17:48 Deathsushi: the real difference is mc. the cloak of protection saves you against more special attacks. it also gives a bit more ac. neither matters as much as having mr 17:49 well I also dunno if Sushi has other sources of reflection to pull off switching like that 17:49 i'm not recommending it. i'm saying i have often switched 17:49 I have SDSM 17:49 o 17:50 So I'm thinking MR is most important 17:50 then yeah def. cloak of MR 17:50 Cool thank you 17:50 in fact if i'm a wizard i won't switch because an advance wizard has two other sources of mr 17:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:11041 17:51 such as o: ? 17:52 well you often haev Magicbane 17:52 right 17:52 at least the cloak and magicbane, and after the quest, the eye, which is good to wear so you want the sdsm anyway 17:52 plus the Eye works as MR if you put it on 17:52 oh 6_9 17:52 I'm thinking you meant something else entirely 17:52 nethack brain not fully on rn 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:12182 17:53 ah you're a valk! 17:54 then yeah cloak ez 17:54 assuming you're committed to two-weaponing? 17:54 (or just don't feel like lugging around that heavy silver shield) 17:55 that heavy POLISHED silver shield 17:55 thank you :B 17:55 your silver shield tarnishes, you feel less reflective 17:56 (you have to apply your towel) 17:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12354 17:57 That I am 17:58 I don't actually know how I even two-weapon 17:58 But check this out — in mine's end, there are two gray stones piled on top of each other, in the corner of the closet I find them in 17:58 What the heck do I do about that?! 17:59 Ah — answer, kick them anyway and leave them alone 17:59 why aren't you an orc ranger? 17:59 can you get behind them and kick? 17:59 ^ 17:59 No 17:59 They're in the corner of the closet, and I can't dig through the walls 17:59 more importantly do they stack? 17:59 Buit I got a thump on kick, so I assume they're lodestones 17:59 catacombs then. you already have the luckstone don't you? 17:59 Yeah, two, stacked — hence, lodstones 17:59 If they're in the corner then it'll thump regardless 18:00 Oh 18:00 sounds like flint 18:00 I think I mentioned that before specifically for scenarios like these 18:00 I've never seen lodestones stacked. 18:00 and yeah it sounds like flint 18:00 though they can also be touchstones 18:00 i find touchstones often show up in pairs but that's easily tested 18:00 not nearly as likely though 18:00 wait, catacombs maze right? 18:01 @Deathsushi and hothraxxa 18:01 i assume so 18:02 Yes 18:02 That's right 18:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:02 well you don't have the luckstone yet or beholder would have said so 18:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law), 170286 points, T:20733, choked on a tin of spinach 18:03 @luxidream grats & time? 18:03 <@910rd> second time 😛 18:03 Right, and it looks like there are no lodestones generated on this level, based on the wiki 18:03 * Umbire thwacks Glord with a newspaper 18:03 So let's take the chance 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Deathsushi (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12745 18:03 :D! 18:03 K, there we go 18:04 lmao 910rd 18:04 you got levelported after I assume? 18:04 -!- spleen has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:04 no he has mr remember 18:04 That's right — stayed put 18:04 Oh 6_9 18:05 Didn't see a prompt for a wish 18:05 whut? 18:05 Guessing it was a choice between stuff you'd found 18:05 I was presuming this was a wish deal 18:05 ah 18:05 Nono, I have both cloaks 18:05 Wasn't sure which to wear over top of the SDSM, which I'd wished for earlier 18:06 you really want mr in the lower mines 18:06 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 18:07 All those traps 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:11989 18:07 Yeah I realized you already had both cloaks 18:07 *now* anyway 18:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law), 53 points, T:434, killed by an uninjured jackal 18:19 -!- attie has quit [Quit: gone afk] 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:3040 18:31 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 18:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1577 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:3310 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:5636 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:5697 18:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Swn Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7418 18:51 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 6723 points, T:1985, killed by a hill orc 18:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming an orc mummy, on T:8220 19:06 the setseed implementation in nethack4 is pretty elaborate 19:06 there's 110 separate RNGs 19:06 it seems very portable to be a patch on top of vanilla, if necessary 19:06 but it does change the save file format 19:06 idk how much of a dealbreaker that is 19:07 also, if i undrestand correctly, the way livelog works is that all the livelog messages get written out to a single server-wide file 19:08 that's... undesirable for speedruns I think? we probably want one file per player 19:08 there's another mechanism which powers !whereis 19:08 which actually sends a signal to nethack to force it to write out a file 19:08 but that also doesn't seem quite right 19:09 I could be remembering wrong but I don't think the problem is setting initial seed 19:09 but that the dungeon doesn't generate at the start, it generates levels when you enter 19:09 yeah, that's why there are so many separate RNGs 19:09 you can't advance the RNG for dlvl2 when you're still on dlvl1 19:09 otherwise dlvl2 will generate differnetly 19:11 no matter what we do, I think we'll need K2 & Tangles to help us shuttle data out of the NetHack game, and into some display that's running on luxidream's computer 19:12 -!- luxidream2 has joined #hardfought 19:12 it seems pretty easy to get nethack to write the data down into a file, then we want something like a tail -f of that file out of hdf 19:12 what? 19:12 brainstorming ideas to have an inventory/progress display for speedrun races on hdf :) 19:13 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:14 its called a ttyrec 19:14 which is made on the fly 19:14 whoever is doing the twitch stream can have however many instances of dgl open, one of those can be watching whatever game is being played 19:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:5609 19:15 yeah, we were doing that for the stream yesterday 19:16 plus all ttyrecs are publically accessible 19:16 it was just hard to keep track of what everyone's inventories were 19:16 if you ask whoever is speedrunning to play in curses mode and toggle perm_invent on 19:16 boom, done 19:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law), 10986 points, T:5611, quit 19:17 the twitch display can't handle two games with perm_inven 19:17 yeah, think we should try that 19:17 i think the perfect setup would be something outside the game tho 19:17 i mean it can display it but they will be terribly hard to see 19:17 an analogue to what alttp rando has, like this: https://i.ytimg.com/vi/f-LtCSMU_Gc/maxresdefault.jpg 19:18 it's also useful to know things like "medusa dead?" "quest done?" etc, though those are lower prio than inv 19:18 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:18 whoever is doing the commentating can keep track of that 19:18 no 19:19 plus livelogging tracks most major events 19:19 you can try 19:19 hothraxxa yes 19:19 haha, not if you have the world number 2 and 3 speedrunners racing 19:19 if they dont that's just being lazy :) 19:19 ok i look forward to your hosting the next race 19:19 me? hah no 19:19 not my thing 19:20 weill i think luxi did a superb job and he had trouble with that 19:20 he'll get better the more he does it 19:20 true 19:20 plus he's perfect to do it, i think time moves slower for him 19:20 he's like hammy from 'over the hedge' 19:21 been watching movies with mini-me again i see 19:21 always 19:21 hell, i'd watch that movie by myself. its funny 19:21 i have watched it 19:22 alright, let's say we had setseed 19:22 how do we make that work for races? 19:22 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z-eMdMsMgCU 19:22 do we have a queue of seeds that each player draws from? 19:22 do they just get one shot at a single seed, and if they die, they have to wait until the other player dies/wins? 19:24 <@luxidream> queue of seeds sounds good 19:24 when does the seed kick in? would a seed generate the same stats and inventory? 19:24 it would be fun to be able to be commentating the same seed for both players 19:25 <@luxidream> it's possible for one player to lose very early due to poison instadeath or something beyond their control 19:25 <@luxidream> this should not end the race 19:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a giant beetle corpse, on T:3936 19:25 all this crazy talk of seeds. what if the player plants their seed? will it grow? 19:25 hmm, i think nethack4's implementation is such that if one player gets poison instadeath, the other player's poison would also trigger instadeath 19:26 would have to check tho. it certainly feels like that's the intent 19:26 behind the implementation 19:27 <@luxidream> hothraxxa: I think seeds would have same dungeon 19:27 <@luxidream> floor items and layout 19:27 <@luxidream> can't control for death drops and monster generation 19:28 yes that's my understanding, but i think the players would generate with different stats and inventory 19:28 but what do i know 19:28 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 19:29 <@luxidream> I'm OK with players being able to do some light startscumming for good constitution 19:29 <@luxidream> having <15 con is significantly worse for speedruns 19:29 then what's the point of setseed :( 19:30 I think the thing I want is to avoid 3x orctown on one side and not the other 19:30 <@luxidream> if you get 13 str 14 con valk that's not fun 19:30 I guess both players would choose to reroll such a valk 19:30 so maybe it's not a problem 19:30 idk, anyway 19:30 i have tomorrow off, going to try to get setseed+vanilla working 19:31 <@luxidream> bhaak: does setseed in un guarantee the same stats? 19:31 might look for a way to create identical heros 19:32 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:39 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:41 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:42 infinigon: for displaying inventory I don't know if there is enough room on the overlay for that either 19:43 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:43 nethack has more items than lttp obviously 19:43 so maybe we could link to another page using a bot command where players can view inventory in real time 19:43 if we can figure that out of course 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6613 19:51 hmh 19:51 doable 19:52 you should include bhaak in this discussion 19:54 hi back what I miss 19:58 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 265 points, T:945, killed by a gnome 20:05 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:06 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 20:10 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a lichen, on T:5146 20:16 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Mal Neu), 1557 points, T:2739, killed by a giant bat, while praying 20:21 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 20:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 20:22 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 20:23 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 20:26 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 20:28 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 20:32 seeded runs patch sounds cool 20:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14507 20:36 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Neu), 1837 points, T:2421, killed by a dwarf king 20:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1263 points, T:1751, killed by a boulder 20:50 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:15799 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 helm of brilliance", on T:9771 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] winny (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:33716 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] winny (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33717 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:12109 21:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:12546 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:13470 21:28 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 514 points, T:2925, died of starvation 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7386 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3565 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Initiate, on T:3670 21:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a spherical amulet on an altar, on T:3783 21:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15846 21:43 hothraxxa: you can crop nethack windows, so 21:44 -!- Pinkbeas1 has joined #hardfought 21:45 if you have FOUR dgl windows spectating. and if both players have perminvent. and you crop the inventory out of 2 screens, and crop the game out of the other two, you can toggle between those screens, or even leave 'em partially occluded 21:45 [hdf-us] [slex] otc (Che Ang Mal Law), 2884 points, T:2078, choked on a taco 21:46 -!- arahael1 has joined #hardfought 21:47 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:16983 21:49 Is there any reason to cart around dragon scales if I already have SDSM? 21:49 Like, orange dragon scales, for example 21:50 To show off? 21:51 Once you have a set of DSM you usually don't need any more scales unless you wanna do a bit and like 21:51 collect one of each color for exampkle 21:51 example* 21:51 notable exception is making DSM for humanoid pets 21:52 like say, a mind flayer pet you'd consider giving yellow DSM 21:52 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3761 points, T:6662, killed by a rothe 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:17793 21:53 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 609 points, T:2136, killed by a baby owlbear 21:53 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 61 points, T:213, killed by a goblin 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:19595 21:56 !whereis Deathsushi 21:56 tinklebear: [hdf-us] Deathsushi [nh370]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:18981 The Dungeons of Doom level: 14 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:18919 21:57 [hdf-us] [slex] otc (Che Ang Mal Law), 3769 points, T:1173, slimed by a slime trap 21:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Okjubre's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:19823 21:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 13454 points, T:8520, petrified by a wounded cockatrice 22:00 !whereis tinklebear 22:00 Umbire: [hdf-us] tinklebear [nh370]: (Ran Orc Fem Cha) T:56802 Gehennom level: 38 22:00 * Umbire claps 22:00 sneekin around Orcus's level 22:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Law), 96489 points, T:19940, killed by a nearly deceased minotaur 22:04 -!- Pinkbeas1 has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:22967 22:08 RIP Bart 22:08 !lastgame bartlem 22:08 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/nethack/dumplog/1611689857.nh.html | [hdf-eu] (sorry, no dump exists for nh363:Bartlem) 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 11033 points, T:6092, killed by a wounded black unicorn 22:11 Umbire: Got it — thank you 22:12 On that note, I think EvilHack pets can gain intrinsics too now? 22:12 Basically jus a medal for killing the dragons' asses and balls 22:12 Or am I thinking of another variant 22:12 K2 help me out here 22:15 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2237 points, T:4231, killed by a rothe, while reading a book 22:20 <@riker> i feel like thats true in evil 22:21 <@riker> i think fiqhack did it first,or at least before evil if so, and I know evilhack does rings for pets 22:24 Yeah I feel like it's at minimum a FIQ thing 22:24 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 502 points, T:1573, killed by a hobbit 22:29 -!- Admin__ has joined #hardfought 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 132033 points, T:25677, killed by a wounded rock troll 22:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 863 points, T:1452, killed by an orcish arrow 22:35 !lastgame dgoddard 22:35 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dgoddard/nethack/dumplog/1611696922.nh.html 22:35 -!- arahael2 has joined #hardfought 22:36 -!- arahael1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:37 Killed a rock troll only to be beset by a mino as a humie valk 22:37 followed by a monk trying to 1v1 a rock troll 22:37 feelsbad, both of them 22:39 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1458 points, T:1752, killed by a housecat 22:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 718 points, T:1379, poisoned by a rabid rat 22:39 [hdf-us] [slshm] SrinivasSamJespe (Und Hum Fem Law), 52003 points, T:13225, killed by a mumak 22:41 Umbire, pets can gain intrinsics in evilhack, code came from xnethack 22:44 👌 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3389 22:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2679 points, T:3735, killed by an uninjured blue jelly 22:48 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 22:50 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Kni Hum Fem Law), 538 points, T:1536, killed by a gas spore's explosion 22:50 !pom 22:50 bouquet: The moon is waxing gibbous; full moon in 2 days. 22:50 that explains all the werefuckers 22:54 Now bouquet, what did I tell you about interrupting foocubi and werefoo? 22:56 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Vam Fem Cha) was given the Lash of the Cold Waste, on T:5622 23:08 -!- ThaEwat has quit [*.net *.split] 23:08 -!- Dracunos has quit [*.net *.split] 23:08 -!- hisacro has quit [*.net *.split] 23:11 -!- ThaEwat has joined #hardfought 23:14 -!- Dracunos has joined #hardfought 23:14 -!- hisacro has joined #hardfought 23:15 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1987 points, T:4484, killed by a gold golem 23:16 all the poison got my health down to 3 before I finally died 23:16 surprised I lasted as long as I did 23:16 F 23:20 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 184 points, T:827, killed by a giant spider 23:20 so many MR cloaks left for lucky adventurers 23:21 -!- ThaEwat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:35 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] efw (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1662 23:59 Can anyone explain to me the way a wand's charge numbers work? 23:59 Like, if a wand says 0:6, what does that mean?