00:00 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:00 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 00:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Clk Fem Law) wished for "Blessed Greased Bag of Holding", on T:6432 00:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "asdf", on T:4056 00:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:4332 00:07 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 3560 points, T:3926, killed by a snake 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:6543 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Okjubre's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:6764 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3097 00:13 Question for anyone online currently 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:7427 00:13 Why is a raven like a writing-desk? 00:14 Because it's inconvenient as hell and won't stop squeaking? 00:14 Er, squawking. 00:14 Well, your question first. 00:14 Also, what are specific examples of QoL changes or other "anti-frustration" things you can think of for NetHack? 00:14 Like I know curses is a thing 00:14 but having trouble *immediately* thinking of other shit 00:15 Well, not to be all DCSS, but autoexplore (which makes you see every item); Ctrl-F to find any item you've seen; autotravel. 00:15 that NetHack has or that it should have? 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:7670 00:15 Former, Andrio 00:15 Also hi. 00:15 Heya 00:16 And a moratorium on stupid typo deaths. If you would reasonably know that pressing 'k' next to the lava would just drop you in it, don't move. 00:16 Oh, "has". Sorry. 00:16 Isn't there a 'paranoid' setting for that? 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Ran Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Reconnoiterer, on T:14533 00:16 I'd swear there was 00:16 Might be thinking of something else 00:16 everything pinkbeast said exists in fiqhack 00:16 Umbire: Maybe? I just wrote paranoid_quit, I can't help it if other people ran with it. 00:16 spicycebolla: Even automatic inter-level travel? 00:16 wait, not autotravel to other levels (yet) 00:16 lol 00:17 Pinkbeast: You say that like I'd blame you. :B 00:17 Also if other people did run with it do lemme know 00:17 (I'm talking vanilla only atm) 00:17 Umbire: Well, there are more paranoid_ options 00:17 Umbire: In terms of things vanilla _does_ have, the introduction of menustyle was a huge boon. 00:18 Go on... 00:18 Back in the day you'd open a bag and then be offered each item one at a time "take out this y/n" 00:18 well, there have been many in NetHack 3.6, including without limitation not auto-picking up items in shops, paranoid confirmation, auto-open, additions to hotkeys that can be used when targeting 00:18 I think if you set menustyle:traditional you can have that back. 00:18 Likewise huge piles of loot were a royal pain in the arse. 00:19 Woof 00:19 The default answer to 'continue eating' changing from 'continue' to 'stop' 00:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Clk Fem Law), 62710 points, T:7001, killed by a bone spike 00:19 The default answer for 'sell this' changing to 'no' 00:20 That was specific to 3.6, right? 00:20 some of those might be 3.7 00:20 For sake of asking, trying to parse "general" and "by version of introduction" 00:20 Oh, hm 00:20 sparkle being an option 00:21 But really menustyle is the big one, to me. (Having been playing since 3.1.3, and some Hack 1.0.3 earlier) 00:21 omg 00:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1996 points, T:3599, killed by a death ray, while praying 00:21 D:! 00:21 !lastgame Tommo 00:21 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tommo/nethack/dumplog/1611377048.nh.html 00:22 F 00:22 Insult to injury, that 00:23 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Quit: spicycebolla] 00:23 Well, not to be all DCSS, but autoexplore (which makes you see every item); Ctrl-F to find any item you've seen; autotravel. ← FIQHack has all three of those already (and won't drop you into lava without an 'm' prefix) 00:27 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Ran Chn Fem Law), 1102 points, T:1776, killed by a falling rock 00:29 YANI: Turn the Rogue level into its own branch, with a chance to meet one or more defunct bosses at the end such as the Goblin King 00:30 YANI: Goblin lords and goblin rulers to add more flavor to randomly generated orcish horde 00:31 leaders* rather 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:7992 00:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Elf-Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1596 00:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Elf-Pri Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Spellbook of Identify", on T:1783 00:50 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1756 00:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Sharpshooter, on T:50440 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11675 01:01 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kalik (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 998 points, T:1046, killed by an arrow 01:02 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Wayfarer, on T:35629 01:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 12071 points, T:4576, killed by a leocrotta 01:10 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kalik (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 2712 points, T:1789, killed by a killer bee 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:13087 01:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Nob Dwa Fem Law), 490 points, T:473, killed by a boiling hot corpse 01:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:13856 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:31851 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:36494 01:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Nob Dwa Fem Law), 434 points, T:1164, killed by a water moccasin 01:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dnb-Nob Dwa Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:697 01:38 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 01:38 sup kiddos 01:39 so siick 01:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Client Quit] 01:43 Missed 'em, dangit 01:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2612 points, T:3367, killed by a wolf 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:37347 01:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Nob Dwa Fem Law), 1744 points, T:1033, killed by a large kobold 01:58 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 02:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Gutso (Kni Hum Mal Law), 176 points, T:1126, killed by a small mimic 02:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2223 02:12 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 2628 points, T:2529, slain by a crocodile 02:13 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 66 points, T:204, killed by a silver dart 02:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:34848 02:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3729 02:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:3844 02:22 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:1653 02:31 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:31 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 02:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5379 02:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) wished for "Clear Sea Glyph", on T:35189 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:5777 02:38 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 4773 points, T:3069, done in by a rothe 02:38 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 02:39 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:210, eliminated by a sewer rat 02:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 15465 points, T:6635, killed by an uninjured fire giant, while sleeping 02:54 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 02:55 ouch, rip tommo 02:55 keep trying tho :> 02:55 you can do it 02:57 :c 03:02 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 03:02 mornin Umby 03:02 or evening for you i guess lol 03:05 it's 3am lol 03:06 <@luxidream> also morning 03:06 oh right 03:06 hah 03:06 morning/night lux also 03:07 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:10 Umbire: the sortloot patch was a nice quality-o-life improvement. (I guess 3.6.0 incorporated it, but now it no longer seems to sort by individual name, the way the patch did.) 03:10 Oh that was a patch? 03:10 Cool 03:12 yeah. before I knew about it, I'd spend hundreds of turns pulling stuff out of containers and putting them back in so they'd be listed in an order that didn't drive me crazy. 03:13 lol tinklebear your ocd is showing 03:13 but it's ok you are among ffriends <3 03:13 friends who understand you... 03:13 NEVER LEAVE US :V 03:14 lol. it is a functional, not a compulsive, thing 03:14 NEVER 03:14 xD 03:14 well, compulsive functionality, maybe 03:15 it's okay tinklebear 03:15 this is a safe place :D 03:16 * tinklebear flaps hands helplessly 03:17 so how we all doin today 03:17 i only slept for like 4 or 5 hours but i feel great 03:17 being old is awesome 03:18 im almost a proper grownup now too 03:18 for my part, it's past my bedtime. losing coherence. 03:18 fair 03:19 is it also 3am in your part 03:19 * tinklebear checks the time 03:19 yes 03:19 neato 03:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) killed Mammon, on T:36395 03:23 well, have a good day, day people. 03:23 and likewise everyone else. 03:23 Night. 03:23 good night, Umbire 03:23 I'm bouncin' too 03:23 o/ 03:24 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "doot doodle a doot do"] 03:24 night Umby 03:24 night tinkl- 03:24 eh he gone 03:28 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35 aoei: u missed the good one 03:36 which one 03:36 i got water demons twice while dipping for excal 03:36 lol i had one get killed by a bone devil 03:36 barely managed to escape to lower levels each time 03:37 damnm 03:37 one fell down a hole i guess 03:37 cornered me 03:37 :c 03:37 summoned a second demon 03:37 it had a wand of death 03:37 ^^; 03:37 haha shit 03:37 lux told me they're eligible to start with them 03:37 i don't think i've seen it happen first-hand 03:37 haha apparently 03:38 did you see my epic Rodney splat 03:38 noooo 03:38 was like 2h 16 min in or something 03:38 i think i heard u chatting about it tho 03:38 ont he last level of gehennoim on the asc run 03:38 was brutal 03:38 i used too many marker charges 03:38 and didn't wrest wishing wand before ascent 03:39 so i ran out of death charges and he double troubled 03:39 got my shit rekt 03:39 do u usually wrest? 03:39 yea but usually not til water plane 03:39 it feels like forever 03:39 on water, that makes sense 03:39 since i was low on marker charges tho 03:39 wresting before asc run might have saved me 03:40 mmf form would have been enough to kill the wizard but i dont think i had a PC ring tbh 03:40 just blind poly n hope :P 03:40 lmao 03:40 i accidentally turned into elvenqueen today 03:40 my first encounter w/ genetic engineers 03:41 yikes 03:41 crazy things sometiems work when you're a turn away from dying 03:41 they're new, right? 03:41 they are 03:41 once i used one on an minturn attempt to mmf poly for castle lol 03:41 took off my mr cloak and let it hit me while wearing polycontrol 03:42 coool 03:42 i still died at castle but it's a fun trick haha 03:42 i've used quantum mechanics for teleportation before when i had tc lol 03:42 free unlimited poly/tele sources, what's not to love? 03:42 yaya 03:42 its gr8 4 exploration even without 03:43 true 03:43 i feel like i should apologize for not turning out any ascensions lately 03:44 i know u were hoping 4 a lil competition 03:44 nooo dont apologise its fine lol 03:44 splatting runs is part of the game 03:44 well. i don't feel obligated, but i think we'll get there 03:44 its practice 03:44 how u gonna get anywhere if you don't risk dying 03:44 :> 03:44 ya, i been running mine into the ground :) 03:45 i had a few choice splats trying to get closer to sub-2h lol 03:45 i sat down n did sum calcs for markers/wishes 03:45 been playing on nao mainly too because i wanna beat stenno's 3.6.6 record 03:45 ohhhh 03:46 for 3.7 i'm already second only to lux :3 03:46 way 2 go! 03:46 he's also been coaching me :3 03:46 haha ya? 03:46 ye 03:46 well we chat about nethack a lot so i get a bunch of tips lol 03:46 which effectively amounts to coaching in some respects 03:47 his practice stream was super learnful 03:47 i doubt i woulda progressed this much just on my own lol 03:47 after tnnt i was like lol k i try 2 speedrun how this work 03:47 first run took >8 hours 03:47 lol 03:48 there were a few moments i had to 0.5x just to figure out how he was sequencing things 03:48 lol 03:48 i do struggle to keep up sometiems watching his runs 03:48 i watched some of his practices as valkgdq just on nao via dgl 03:48 the practice stream i tuend in at the beginning and then fell asleep cuz i was super beat 03:49 its still up if ur interested 03:49 cool 03:49 i doubt i will watch it tho 03:49 well maybe 03:49 i lose interest somehow when they're not live lol 03:50 its nice just as a reference 03:50 i gues 03:50 if im thinking about how to sequence part of the run, i can zoom to that section n slow-watch 03:50 and i have a fair idea but i don't have all the strats down i spose yet 03:50 well, playing is funner :P 03:50 yes exactly 03:50 thats the main issue 03:50 lol 03:50 sometimes i start watching those things 03:51 and then 10 minutes in i give up and play instead 03:52 did u know secret door detection finds portals? 03:52 yes 03:52 man... 03:52 i often forget to use it tbh 03:52 one recent run i even forgot i had one for sanctum 03:52 for the door 03:52 i didn't even know confused tele was a thing 03:52 confused tele i knew but i tended to prefer cursed 03:52 confused is fine for going castle->main tho 03:52 cuz it doesn't matter too much where you land 03:53 if you want to use TC you need max luck for confused tele to give you controlled levport 03:53 so that's somewhat inconvenient for a lot of use cases 03:53 cursed oh 03:53 hm 03:53 didn't know that either 03:54 oh yea i often use that heavily esp for turncount 03:54 cursed tele, non-confused plus teleport control 03:54 super powerful 03:54 ya 03:54 helps a bit in realtime as valk but you have the orb so you don't need it as much 03:54 also depends if you find tc or not 03:55 by my count, up to 4 is handy 03:55 lux suggests not wishing for tc as valk cuz you don't exactly need it 03:55 rly? 03:55 you can get around pretty quick with a pick-axe and autodig 03:56 and for a really tight run you gotta be careful with wishes and markers 03:56 ill keep that in mind 03:56 do u still get dsm early? 03:56 yeah but that run i died to wizard i used the castle wand for GDSM 03:57 because i didn't have any til then 03:57 huh 03:57 i think i just beat castle with mithril and [oR from medusa 03:57 u should just get a marker n reverse geno gray dragons 03:57 so i didn't have loads of wishes 03:57 eh i guess but that also takes time 03:57 <@luxidream> you can get a really good time with no tc tommo 03:57 if i had conflict already it would have been fine 03:57 <@luxidream> my old pb had no tc 03:58 cool okay :) 03:58 at the tiem i still hadn't cleared castle but since i had the wand i guess i coulda confused tele out and revgeno'd gray dragons somewhere 03:58 genocide is also expensive to write tho 03:58 so i think just wishing for the GDSM is a fair call 03:58 <@luxidream> i agree with tommo, wishing for gdsm straight is a waste 03:58 <@luxidream> since you also need geno 03:59 this is also true 03:59 i didn't think of that at teh time 03:59 next time 03:59 ya, geno is 15-30 so u can get that n charging n still squeeze in sum maps on just 1/2 the marker 03:59 <@luxidream> i think gdsm is better for speedrunning purposes though 03:59 <@luxidream> old strats use sdsm because you could get som 04:00 <@luxidream> which is no longer possible 04:00 if i don't know geno yet at castle i also wish for geno 04:00 can polypile for it if you have a tonne of scrolls 04:00 but i think wish is often the right call 04:01 and hopefully you luck into 3 scrolls of genocide 04:01 i think it's probly worth blind-writing identify if u don't have it id'd by castle 04:01 wat do u 2 think? 04:01 <@luxidream> expensive and unlikely to succeed 04:01 tommo: hmm idk, if you have 0 shops at all im not sure what else you *do* 04:01 <@luxidream> you also probably have id 04:01 one run i confused tele'd out 04:02 threw all my scrolls into an armour store 04:02 it's come up like 1/3 the time lately 04:02 foujdn out which one was id 04:02 and robbed the place 04:02 <@luxidream> if you don't have id, polypile 04:02 <@luxidream> it's literally the most common scroll 04:02 yeah 04:02 that should also work 04:03 <@luxidream> non wizards with no luck have pretty much no chance of writing anything unknown 04:03 <@luxidream> even with max luck it is very sketchy 04:03 ah yeah, good point 04:03 you're not even gonna have luck 04:03 so it's astronomical you'd get it right 04:03 max luck non-wiz is highly wasteful but you can get it 04:04 -!- Dracunos has quit [*.net *.split] 04:04 -!- hisacro has quit [*.net *.split] 04:04 hmm okay 04:05 iirc it's about 1/3 chance with max luck as non-wiz, or luckless as wiz 04:05 max luck wiz used to be 98%, think they nerfed it a little post-343 04:05 but it's still reasonably solid 04:05 its like 87% success w/ max luck and half a marker's worth of attempts (50 charges) 04:05 <@luxidream> nah it should be the same 04:05 <@luxidream> from my experience it is 04:06 i've had book writing fail with max luck as wiz 04:06 <@luxidream> in your tc runs without luckstone you don't have max luck 04:06 which is annoying 04:06 hm right 04:06 true 04:06 you only have the natural max 04:06 <@luxidream> it drops to like 80% 04:06 -!- Dracunos has joined #hardfought 04:06 -!- hisacro has joined #hardfought 04:06 tommo: the problem with doing it with scrolls is also you burn the scroll every time you fail 04:06 <@luxidream> you need 11 luck, which is impossible without a luckitem 04:06 which sucks 04:07 ah ok lux 04:07 i should read the wiki more and check these things out lol 04:08 how does polypiling to id id work? 04:08 i remember we were talking about the odds of dying to controlled polyself at xl1 04:08 tommo: see which scroll comes up the most and yolo it i guess 04:08 i think you need a lot of scrolls for a reasonably statistical sample tho 04:08 alright 04:09 <@luxidream> there aren't any scrolls that outright kill you 04:09 <@luxidream> and amnesia is now only mildly annoying 04:09 destroy armor :c 04:09 <@luxidream> be in a safe place 04:10 <@luxidream> away from other scrolls 04:10 -!- ThaEwat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:10 okok 04:10 take off your armour haha 04:11 gotta love those strange sensations 04:12 *feelings 04:12 aside from a select few items (magic lamp, id scroll) price ID is far too time consuming for speedrun 04:13 rly? 04:13 imo yes 04:13 <@luxidream> no 04:13 <@luxidream> i do rings 04:13 oh yea 04:13 rings 04:13 that's legit 04:13 but do you care about any except 300 04:13 <@luxidream> other scrolls like ew/ea/300 base 04:14 yea i check those scrolls too 04:14 but apart from a few scrolls and the 300 rings, magic lamp 04:14 i don't care 04:14 boh 04:14 <@luxidream> 100 base is nice to know too when you are hunting for mm 04:14 true 04:14 <@luxidream> 200 rings can be levi 04:14 but i tend to just #name everything else and assume the rest are 100 lol 04:15 200 is often mixed with 150 so i only naem it if it's def 200 04:15 <@luxidream> sell price should be unambiguous now 04:15 wait really? 04:15 <@luxidream> shortchange is on a per-shk basis 04:15 whaaaat when did they do this 04:15 i had no idea lol 04:16 <@luxidream> ... 04:16 <@luxidream> you've been playing 3.6 all this time lol 04:16 i noticed that, glad it wasn't 'just me' 04:16 :P 04:16 i did think it was funny that i sometime got consistently low prices offered 04:16 <.< 04:16 ok cool 04:16 im learning 04:16 haha 04:17 another one of those 343 things i took for granted so much i didn't realise the change 04:17 its surprising how long it takes me to notice patterns when the wiki disagrees 04:17 haha 04:18 i think another issue is im just slow at navigating shops and doing price ID tasks fast 04:18 can work on that, but having priorities and knowing which things actually matter helps 04:18 i don't think you need to do a lot of price ID 04:18 i always accidentally run all over the place, prone to mimic deaths 04:19 i used to price ID everything to death in normal runs lol 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] winny (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (liches), on T:21169 04:19 well ya 4 sure, why not :P 04:19 idk it takes forever and is annoying so i guess that's why not 04:19 thanks for the short change tip lux that helps a lot lol 04:20 its one of those "not exactly the gameplay im looking for" moments that happens earlygame 04:20 yea i used to sigh heavily and save my game when i reach a big gen store 04:20 rofl 04:20 hehe dang 04:21 "ugh now i gotta do this bit *yawn*" 04:21 alright its rly late, ima try 1 more run n hope i die early so i can bed 04:21 haha good luck 04:22 or maybe it'll b a gameclock game 04:22 tyty :) 04:27 hehe now i wanna play too 04:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 327 points, T:1116, killed by an uninjured newt, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:28 rip 04:28 ri :P 04:28 sleeping floating eyes still freeze u 04:29 obviously a bug 04:29 obviously 04:29 sleep or try again?:D 04:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1683 04:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3463 04:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3556 04:55 hm, saved to think cuz im still very sleepy 04:55 interesting game lol 04:55 i got the luckstone, only because i found it while searching for a dwarf who had an actual pick-axe 04:55 got levi boots from a shop in main dungeon and already have a bag 04:55 also lucked into GoP 04:55 AC is also okay 04:55 no early wish 04:56 im still under 30 min in but i spent so much time in soko I might try to dig for castle and skip soko 04:56 still need to excal dip at oracle 04:59 lol im way too sleepy to play flat out tho 04:59 jeez 04:59 might take a nap or smth 04:59 or drink coffee 05:03 !tell ais523 FIQHack doesn't have autotravel because I don't think it would work well in NetHack context with monster generation 05:03 Will do, FIQ! 05:03 that is really the only reason though, otherwise I'd have added it already 05:07 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/454 <-- idk if I should have kept this to just the first commit, maybe I got a bit carried away with it 05:08 I guess if somebody wants the first commit without the second they can always cherry pick it or whatever 05:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5352 05:17 ok slep time 05:17 night aoei ^^ 05:18 goodnight tommo 05:18 night! 05:19 -!- ThaEwat has joined #hardfought 05:23 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:23 incidentally, there is a bug with travel over water/lava atm 05:23 it can kill pets 05:23 without prompting 05:24 nice, how does that happen 05:24 you can tell the game to travel to a location on land 05:24 and the game will automatically displace pets as you travel (this is new in 3.6+) 05:24 even if that means displacing them into water 05:25 I complained about this a while back, and got a response that boiled down to "working as intended" 05:25 awful feature IMO 05:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:25 and I have seen it happen in real games too 05:25 not personally, but someone being confused on #hdf about it 05:30 when did you see it? it looks like it shouldn't happen any more: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/96ee175ce89ab71aa038c33d7d96c538d3debf8e/src/hack.c#L1897-L1905 05:31 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:33 I just made a little water torture chamber in wizmode and I can't get it to happen, though not for lack of trying apparently lol https://0x0.st/--z8.png 05:33 qt: a year ago or so, def before that commit 05:34 the travel command is sort of abusive to the cat, it keeps demanding he jump in the pool and drown no matter how many times he says no 05:34 smh 05:34 also that clearly looks buggy even if it doesn't kill it 05:34 qt: what happens if you displace it normally? does it still refuse? 05:34 yeah 05:34 because then the bug hasn't really been fixed at all 05:34 it's just less harmful 05:36 what bug do you mean? the way that pets are displaced automatically during travel? 05:36 qt: in the past, moving onto pets when you're in water would just make them drown instantly 05:36 this isn't a bug 05:36 well, wasn't 05:36 in 3.6+, they made travel automatically displace pets 05:36 combine the 2 features... and yeah 05:37 at some point, later on, it seems like they changed it so pets are no longer instantly killed when trying to move onto them in water 05:37 yeah, I have definitely lost some pets that way in the past 05:37 so the bug clearly isn't really fixed per se 05:37 it just doesn't automatically kill pets w/o input anymore 05:37 since pets will now just refuse 05:52 alright I have to get to sleep, good night 06:00 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 06:35 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 07:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:1275 07:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 254 points, T:1418, killed by an uninjured giant mimic 07:45 FIQ: Can you explain how the game still allows you to kill pets, with input? 07:46 It should not be possible to do a regular move from water towards a pet on land, either. 07:46 [hdf-us] [nh13d] Qwesti (Sam Mal), 409 points, T:554, snake 07:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kalik (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 80 points, T:267, killed by Amon 07:50 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kalik (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 40 points, T:43, killed by Ahazu 08:06 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:12 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kalik (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 4421 points, T:2572, caught himself in his own fireball 08:13 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 08:16 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:2130 08:18 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 528 points, T:1811, killed by a wounded dingo 08:34 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) destroyed k2's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:3191 08:45 !who 08:45 amateurhour: [hdf-us] kalik [ndnh] krm26 [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] post163 [spl] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh343] | [hdf-au] No current players 08:54 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 307 points, T:1076, killed by a kobold lady 08:57 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) had an axe entrusted to her by Crom, on T:3953 08:57 !who 08:57 amateurhour: [hdf-us] kalik [ndnh] krm26 [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] post163 [spl] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh343] | [hdf-au] No current players 09:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law), 701 points, T:959, killed by a giant spider 09:01 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had an athame named Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:15795 09:08 [hdf-us] [ndnh] kalik (Acu Hlf Mal Law), 1651 points, T:1991, quit 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3294 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3354 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 3 darts on an altar, on T:3364 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3392 09:32 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:6295 09:34 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:41 YANI: Eating a clove of garlic has, or can have (not necessarily 100%) a similar effect to getting bad breath from a fountain, where monsters flee from you for a little while. 09:42 re the backscroll saying "ugh general store now i have to price id everything": THE main reason why I settled on eradicating all trace of that BS mechanic from my variant :P 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) destroyed bouquet's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2469 09:47 I'd rather have the price id honestly 09:47 potions and scrolls just straight up cost way too much to afford in the early game 09:48 which is fine if you're gonna steal, which I think you do 09:49 I think it would have been better to shuffle all the prices 09:51 was about to say "you seriously consider BUYING them??? they're there to be stolen" 09:53 and as I said already, shuffling the prices could result in wacky stuff like a scroll of genocide costing 20 10:01 that said, I guess the asking prices for items might be generally too high because if you can't afford them, the only choice is stealing 10:03 it's not clear to me at all why slex even has shops. just have random rooms full of stuff that explodes when you pick it up or autocurses your inventory or something, much more slex-like 10:03 hah 10:12 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4725 points, T:5364, killed by a gray unicorn 10:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Rog Elf Fem Cha) killed Kostchtchie, on T:36864 10:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Rog Elf Fem Cha) was given Water Flowers, on T:36978 10:21 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:21742 10:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5039 10:21 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 158571 points, T:21747, killed by an air elemental 10:26 scroll of geno costing 20 could be epic though 10:27 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:3692 10:27 imagine sometimes having rng be in your favour 10:27 crazy thought :P 10:44 oh god, someone made it so that candles use oc_cost to determine whether they're partly used! 10:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:25957 10:48 \o/ 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:8909 10:52 amateurhour: if all potions and scrolls cost one third of the amount they cost now, would you say that improves things? :P 10:52 [hdf-us] [slshm] SrinivasSamJespe (Und Hum Fem Law), 3389 points, T:2836, killed by a statue gargoyle 10:53 yeah, because then you could buy stuff in shops 10:53 nonironically 10:54 and you'd still be incapable of doing price id so it's all good :) 10:54 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) had a wooden long sword entrusted to her by Crom, on T:7279 10:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:57 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Inf Ith Fem Una), 1423 points, T:2794, killed by a little dog 10:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7922 points, T:9346, choked on a food ration 10:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:9477 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:9805 11:02 alright, several item classes will be considerably less expensive in the upcoming slex 2.70 :) 11:16 woot 11:16 go team whinge! 11:16 go team whine! 11:25 item base cost changes: rings 300 -> 200, bags 100 -> 30, candles 100 -> 20, lamps 100 -> 40, potions 300 -> 100, scrolls 300 -> 100, spellbooks 500 -> 200, wands 500 -> 150, gray stones 60 -> 10 11:25 amateurhour are you happy now? ;) 11:29 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 11:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:14587 11:34 yes 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:14835 11:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Swn Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5814 11:42 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9589 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:9894 11:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Rog Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 fixed greased dragonhide cloak of protection", on T:40049 11:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Rog Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 fixed dragonhide black dress", on T:40066 11:54 <{Demo}> :( damn, no dragonhide 11:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Rog Elf Fem Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:40122 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:17541 12:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Swn Fem Cha), 18356 points, T:7719, killed by a gnome lord 12:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1635 12:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:1734 12:11 YASI: Cockatrice skin gloves. They stone anything they touch. Including you. 12:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Pir Dro Mal Neu), 70 points, T:223, killed by Ms. Kalecik, the shopkeeper 12:12 great idea 12:15 thanks stenno glad you think so 12:15 they'll be all the rage 12:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2030 12:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Gnr-Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1293 12:20 alright, gotta go now. the next two days I'll be on tour non-stop, so don't expect me to be back before tuesday ;) 12:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Con Swn Fem Cha), 298 points, T:553, killed by a small crossbow bolt 12:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5028 12:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 1727 points, T:3153, killed by a winged kobold 12:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5071 12:38 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12418 12:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:19166 12:40 [hdf-eu] [nh343] OhNoNotAgain (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 54323 points, T:20226, killed by an Elvenking 12:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:1999 12:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1358 points, T:2079, killed by a magic missile 12:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8328 12:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4503 12:58 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:6495 13:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:6495 13:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:6582 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (mind flayers), on T:21094 13:15 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a cobra, on T:8418 13:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Swn Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:8248 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law), 57 points, T:98, killed by a wounded black pudding 13:38 hey all 13:39 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:40 <@ichbinmiah> random question: has anyone noticed the Mine's End luckstone not spawning in 3.7? 13:40 <@ichbinmiah> or experienced it? 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Chromatic Dragon, on T:39171 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39172 13:42 I have not 13:42 I have never seen that, but gnome lords can pick it up and carry it away 13:43 one time a dwarf dug in and stole it though if I'm remembering rightly 13:43 I haven't, either 13:43 yes exactly, I would keep a close eye peeled for all the magic-lovers wandering around 13:43 <@ichbinmiah> something is wonky. I had the mimic's variant and came out with 1 ruby w/loadstone, 2 amethysts, 2 diamonds and 4 emeralds 13:43 but I've had a dwarf pick it up, which made me stumped for quite a while 13:43 <@ichbinmiah> I'm pretty sure I'm supposed to have 2 rubies. 13:45 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 13:45 you checked behind the goddam choke point right? 13:45 a monster could have taken one of the rubies too, maybe? idk off the top of my head how its laid out 13:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 39 points, T:112, killed by a goblin 13:45 <@ichbinmiah> I did check the chokepoint, yes 13:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:45 <@ichbinmiah> and all denizens were murdered, hostile or otherwise 13:46 assuming you didn't get a lua error since the level loaded properly, there would have been no problem with parsing it 13:46 ichbinmiah 13:46 i heard a rumour you play with mumak army curses borders 13:46 can i ask why 13:46 > mumak army curses borders 13:47 <@ichbinmiah> the level loaded just fine afaik 13:47 greatest thing I've heard today 13:47 aosdict: qqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqqq 13:47 <@ichbinmiah> I have no idea what that means 😄 13:47 aosdict: i can't claim credit 13:47 * aosdict flees 13:47 mumak army was a luxi joke 13:47 it means he's got the wrong code page 13:47 hothraxxa: hahahaaa 13:47 yes 13:47 it's a problem with ipbt too 13:47 idk how to fix 13:48 aoei: I was just talking about this the other day, this might work https://github.com/keaston/cp437 13:48 key i will open in a tab and hope i dont forget about it hehe 13:48 im drinking and chilling with internet freaks on a service that syncs video/music streams across multiple users 13:49 you just compile and install it, then you can run 'cp437 ssh nethack@alt.org' instead of 'ssh nethack@alt.org' 13:49 etc 13:49 oh hm 13:49 wel ipbt is another thing 13:49 its not over ssh 13:49 it's for ttyrec playback 13:49 yeah but you can run any program through it 13:49 ohhhh ok 13:49 nice' 13:49 so you can do 'cp437 ipbt' 13:49 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:49 tbh pinkbeast said olike 13:49 methods listed on the IBMgraphics page may be relevant too 13:49 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/IBMgraphics 13:49 https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/index.php?title=IBMgraphics&diff=137387&oldid=132875 13:49 lol 13:49 to just feature req the putty guy (i think its the same guy, dont remmeber for sure, same webhost at least) 13:50 pinkbeast knows famous cats 13:50 exhibit a: the guy who made putty 13:51 aoei: you don't suppose Pinkbeast is actually the Pink Panther 13:51 pink, knows cats 13:51 <@ichbinmiah> oh ffs 13:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:18319 13:51 gratz 13:51 <@ichbinmiah> I'm an idiot. 13:51 <@nabru> Yay 13:51 <@ichbinmiah> second door behind the first 13:51 aosdict: it's possible 13:51 i didnt consider it before 13:51 yay? cruel, nabru 13:52 but so many things seem to add up 🤔 13:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 310 points, T:835, killed by a goblin 13:52 <@ichbinmiah> https://tenor.com/view/will-smith-i-did-it-happy-excited-omg-gif-8068878 13:52 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 13:54 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:11260 13:55 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: boopboop boop] 13:55 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Ran Elf Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:18483 14:00 <@ichbinmiah> I did that too. 14:01 oh no 14:01 at least all your stuff didn't get destroyed since it's 3.7 14:01 <@ichbinmiah> thankfully I have a backup. stupid wand o cancel 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3587 14:02 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:02 ouch 14:02 another reason not carry around all those potions just because you can 14:02 lol 14:03 just don't put the cancel wand in the BoH :4Head: 14:03 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3695 14:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) had an orcish dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:27307 14:03 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 14:03 dw im always here to give great advice 14:03 ask me anything 14:03 i think every time i've done that in recent years has been from a typo 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3763 14:03 oh i have a good one for that too hothraxxa 14:03 well. why else really 14:04 can you guess what my reply will be 14:04 "Reply hazy ask later" 14:04 clue: it ends with "4Head" 14:04 "Reply hazy ask later 4Head" 14:04 it beings with "just don't typo" 14:04 begins* 14:05 i see you've never read anything i've ever sadi 14:05 you've out me on ingore haven't you 14:05 aosdict: rofl 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3808 14:06 I figured out one particular typo that was blowing up my BoH, over and over 14:06 hothraxxa: how did you know :O 14:07 the key '~' is a menu accelerator for "invert selections on page" 14:07 and on my keyboard it is right next to the '!' key 14:07 mine is . 14:07 [hdf-eu] [nh343] OhNoNotAgain (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 833 points, T:1669, killed by a little dog 14:07 which is next to - 14:07 so if I'm trying to add all my potions to my BoH, I might accidentally hit '~' 14:07 and sometimes do! 14:07 well 14:08 unhit it 14:08 don't double hit 14:08 :PO 14:08 aoei, but we're using a computer. we're supposed to arrange our interface to our specifications! 14:08 [hdf-us] [un] Gutso (Con Vam Fem Cha), 269 points, T:450, killed by a giant rat, while fainted from lack of food 14:08 which spectiifcations 14:08 convenience, for one! 14:08 and safety! 14:08 wel true yes 14:09 abiA does it for me 14:09 but also don't butterfingers it 14:09 ideally 14:09 :P 14:09 accidental shift key 14:09 so, i tried to map '~' to "nothing" with BIND, but that doesn't work. 14:09 isn't there a final enter keypress usually 14:09 with this menus 14:09 for real uguise 14:09 yes 14:09 you have a chacen to doublecheck 14:09 stop complaining 14:09 yes 14:09 before i beat you silly 14:09 with the enter key 14:09 >:) 14:10 i am not complaining. i am explaining how i did it 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law), 2238 points, T:4155, killed by a wounded Green-elf 14:10 that final enter is nothing but muscle memory by now, for me 14:10 ^^^ 14:10 ah 14:10 that's an issue i suppose 14:10 i *never* hit final enter without a quick recheck 14:10 yes and when i do it i am extremely careful to check 14:10 for a long time 14:10 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11 but then, you know 14:11 anyways, I finally figured out that instead of mapping '~' to "nothing", i can just map it to a different, less harmful menu accelerator commmand 14:11 thats also a nice solution 14:11 so: BIND=~:menu_deselect_all 14:11 tho its specific and doesn't cover ur ass in all cases 14:11 final check b4 enter covers ass 14:11 so i always do that 14:11 i can't not 14:11 tbh 14:11 it's automatic 14:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1812 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:6214 14:13 eyyy go go go tommo! 14:15 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 14:15 Whatup 14:15 hey deathsushi 14:15 I'm hacking the hell out of my nhrc file 14:16 And I'm wondering ... 14:16 hi Deathsushi 14:16 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:12768 14:16 Is there a menu option to simply brighten all of the colours displayed? 14:16 Or do I need to go through and manually specify each set of colour to "BRIGHT blue" from "blue" (or whatever the option would be) 14:16 you might be more interested in this page, Deathsushi: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Colors 14:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2611 14:17 tinklerbear: Right, but this would basically be about setting individual colours, correct? 14:17 I think you would need to do that, but you can also modify your terminal's color palette to be closer to what you want, that might be easier 14:17 the game has color constants "blue" and "bright blue" and that's all the blues you get. I think what you want is to set your terminal colors. 14:17 I'm using the webterm on hardfought 14:18 Am I still able to adjust that way, or would I need to open up terminal and SSH in to achieve this? 14:18 not that page, Deathsushi. I meant to point you to the section on terminal colors 14:18 it is easier to control if you use ssh and a terminal 14:18 oh, webterm. I don't know anything about that 14:18 you could probably do it with a custom CSS sheet but I don't know how one goes about doing that 14:18 would that really work? 14:19 Okay, well, it's no biggie to use the native terminal app on Mac for this 14:19 also, you are entering a minefield. if you just brighten every colour, it will cause other conflicts 14:19 hothraxxa: how does tweaking the terminal palette cause conflicts with anything 14:19 try the terminal first. it might be acceptable as is 14:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:2590 14:20 hothraxxa: That's my concern 14:20 aosdict: you can make some colours resemble other quite easily 14:20 [hdf-us] [un] Gutso (Con Vam Mal Cha), 264 points, T:1109, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food 14:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible 4nVTxyKh's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:2788 14:25 anyway, because nethack makes full use of the palette, it is tricky to make changes without clashing with something else 14:26 Hmmm. Terminal hated my attempts to use curses interface once I changed the size of the characters 14:26 the wiki page links to paxed's colour editor. you'll probably want to use it 14:27 Deathsushi: you are using ssh? whenever you change the size of the terminal (which changing the font size effectively does, since the terminal size is measured in x) you need to reconnect 14:27 Right, I change it, kill the window, then reconnect 14:28 But I wonder if just closing the window leaves me still connected? I SSH in anew each time, but perhaps it's not properly working when Id o that? 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:40747 14:30 what actually happened? I was about to say I doubt it, but then I realized idk really what "terminal hated my attempts" means exactly 14:30 Basically rendered the screen and menus all out of whack — but I believe that's because I hadn't fully quit, so it was sticking with the old text placement 14:31 Quitting proper seems ot be working 14:31 * tinklebear shakes fist at desktop environments 14:32 :D 14:32 Okay — next question, that you may or may not be able to help me debug 14:32 (Thank you for all the support everyone) 14:32 When I hit meta-q, to quit out and save 14:32 I get this from my terminal: 14:32 │Unknown command 'M-E'. ││ │ 14:32 │Unknown command 'M-^S'. 14:33 What terminal emulator are you using? 14:33 I'm just using the native terminal app in Mac OS 14:33 Let me check here. 14:33 xterm-256color 14:34 is it not S to save? 14:35 Well, you're right amateurhour 14:35 That's way easier 😄 14:35 aha 14:35 distant ais523 noises about terminals lying about being xterm 14:35 Though that meta typically works, and I'm wondering why it no longer works in my term 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nelennath (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 626 points, T:1297, killed by an uninjured dwarf 14:35 in what context did it work before, the browser? 14:36 meta-q will quit without saving 14:36 it's the same as #quit 14:36 Oh weird... I was getting prompted through hterm 14:36 Maybe it's re-routed 14:36 this could be just me, but i would be extremely uncomfortable using meta-q 14:36 Deathsushi: are you playing vanilla nethack or a variant? 14:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7476 14:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a genetic engineer, on T:8339 14:37 * tinklebear remembers seeing some odd keybindings in nethack4 14:37 hrm 14:37 Deathsushi: when you type super-, to open settings, then go to "profiles" and "keyboard" 14:37 ay tommo 14:38 LOL 14:38 nice first poly 14:38 XD 14:38 is "Use Option as Meta key" checked? it's at the bottom of the page 14:38 qt: Waht do you mean about super-? 14:38 I think I might have missed a step in what you were providing me 14:38 sorry I mean the one that looks like a cloverleaf I'm totally blanking on the proper mac term for it 14:38 command 14:38 cmd-, 14:39 Oh, like, go to preferences 14:39 Gotcha 14:39 yeah 14:39 then go to profiles > (select your current profile from the side) > keyboard 14:39 AHA! 14:39 There it is 14:39 Thank you, beautiful 14:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4281 14:39 so nice to be called beautiful 14:39 * qt blushes 14:40 * Deathsushi applauds 14:40 i was unaware that qt is beautiful 14:40 so hard to tell in here 14:40 You're as beautiful as my terminal now looks and works 14:40 THE HIGHEST PRAISE IN ALL THE LAND 14:40 you gotta change ur nick from qt to beaut 14:40 hothraxxa: you need to adjust your terminal colors 14:41 wait his nick was qt 14:41 it was staring us in the face the whole time 14:41 how did you not see that before 14:41 smh my head 14:41 oh shit, adjust them again? 14:41 lol 14:41 and yes, i too feel stupid now 14:42 did you guys think of the framework instead? 14:42 heh 14:42 mirror mirror on the dead nymph 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:8909 14:42 who is the fairest adventurer? 14:42 not medusa 14:42 js 14:43 aphrodite 14:43 the pyromancer Cinder Ella is the fairest in the land 14:43 fwiw, genetic engineers own minotaurs 14:43 there's this succubus i met one time 14:43 well it's obviusly qt 14:43 for they are a qt 14:43 DUH 14:44 names can be deceiving 14:44 ok its me 14:44 im the fairest 14:44 pics or it didn't happen 14:45 i have lots of those but like 14:45 one doesnt simply post such things in the nethack chans 14:45 hey if you are the only one who submits a pic you win, get it? 14:45 runners will be distracted 14:47 TIL, hothraxxa uses tiles 14:47 only for spending the night 14:47 tiles for real 14:47 wut 14:48 actually my nights on the tiles are long gone now 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:41516 14:48 ah ic 14:48 well im proud of u 14:48 * tinklebear jigs a little 14:48 its a hard habit to kick 14:48 but u did the right thing 14:49 it was never a habit. more a juvenile experiment gone wrong, really 14:49 man you're killing my jokes 14:49 I thought qt goes by qt because his initials are MM and there are already far too many abbreviations of that in nethack 14:49 aosdict: lol 14:50 in fairness they weren't great joeks to begin with 14:50 but still 14:50 it went: do it once to see what it's like. do it a second time to be sure the first wasn't a fluke. vow never to do it a third time 14:50 hahaaa 14:50 disco, never a third time 14:51 this was way before disco 14:51 * aoei dose a triple take real quick 14:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8831 14:51 who desn't want to do disco again 14:51 who doesn'tw an to it repeatedly forever??? 14:52 i never did disco 14:52 * tinklebear forgot the biblical proportions of hothraxxa's timeline 14:52 sometimes i do too 14:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:19820 14:53 i forget a lot of things 14:53 i know hothraxxa been aroujnd since before me 14:53 but probably tinklebear too 14:54 probably tinkle been alive befor me i mean 14:54 oh no now i cnat stop htinking tinkle needs to go for a lil tinkle 14:54 brain pls stop 14:54 why 14:54 * tinklebear goes out to the woods 14:55 hahaha 14:55 you're in for a big surprise 14:55 but does a bear shit in the woods tho 14:55 hothraxxa: u been around for a while 14:55 do u know? 14:55 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Mog, on T:15593 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:24265 14:57 i'm not sure. i've heard that some bears shit in the men's at truck stops 14:57 hahahaha 14:57 some bears also go cruising in Heaven 14:58 there are all types 14:58 "Designate a place outside the camp where you can go to relieve yourself. As part of your equipment have something to dig with, and when you relieve yourself, dig a hole and cover up your excrement. For the LORD your God moves about in your camp to protect you and to deliver your enemies to you. Your camp must be holy, so that he will not see among you anything indecent and turn away from you." 14:58 :> 14:59 don't shit in camp, got it. be more like your cat 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:9735 15:01 the Lord doesn't want to step in it 15:01 -- Deuteronomy 23:12-14 15:01 damn tinklebear 15:01 are you a priest or what 15:01 how do you remmeber ht verses and shit 15:02 he has the internets 15:02 shhh, hothraxxa! 15:04 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 15:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Sorcerer, on T:26050 15:10 [hdf-us] [spl] telegarn (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1714 points, T:2622, quit 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:10087 15:12 yes tommo smash it 15:12 u cna do it 15:13 i believ ein u 15:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11384 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 220 points, T:860, killed by a giant rat 15:15 Okay, QUANDRY 15:15 Why is it, that when I'm getting my balls kicked over a mountain at the first stages of Genhemmon, that people seem to keep releasing builds and variants of Nethack that make it HARDER? 15:15 Are people really finding the issue with NH that it's too easy? I am boggled by this 15:16 after a lot of games it does become much easier 15:16 Are they doing this to dunk on me personally? 15:16 haha 15:16 amateurhour: wow, really? I've been playing this game, on and off, for like... 15 years (with long breaks in between) and I've never even come close to ascension... 15:16 Is that an indication I need to slow waaaaaay down even more? 15:16 it's a fact that nobody has ascended nethack that didn't start with the much easier versions from the 80s 15:16 that's not a fact 15:16 Boom, debunked. 15:17 I started with 3.6 15:17 Fact, obliterated 15:17 I started with 3.4.3 15:17 you can't ascend if you didn't grow up with nethack 15:17 Or whatever was around in the 1980s, when I was a wee lad 15:17 bhaak: lux also started with 3.6 lol 15:17 and hes' the fuckin bomb 15:17 I cut my teeth on 3.1.3 back in the day 15:17 3.4.3 was my first 15:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:10621 15:17 not all variants are more difficult anyway Deathsushi 15:18 aoei: that's completely impossible. have you seen his ID? 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:42629 15:18 bhaak: no but like i saw his face on stream one time 15:18 he looks about 12 15:18 altho he says he's 22 15:18 i think its legit 15:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Joshu, on T:10322 15:19 * tinklebear boggles at the phrase "the much easier versions from the 80s" 15:20 well idk if 80s versions were easier 15:20 amateurhour: this is fair 15:20 but 3.4.3 was easier no doubt about it 15:20 I'm just surprised when I read things like "Demonprince's are MUCH more challenging" 15:20 3.4.3 however hailed from... 15:20 And I think "Wow. I haven't even surivved to meet one" 15:21 '03 lol 15:21 3.4.3 was from '03 ok 15:21 yeah i can't speak to 80s versions 15:21 not even close 15:21 What is the "Extra" column represent when I see a list of other players playing games in hardfought? 15:21 Eg: 15:21 after a few times through vanilla gehennom you'll find it boring :P 15:21 a) Bliss56 nh370.30 82x 25 2021-01-23 20:10:40 0 S3 15:21 S3, being extra 15:21 tinklebear: the earlier versions didn't have fixed all the loopholes yet :-) 15:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:11524 15:22 bhaak: okay. I just remember playing rogue on an ibm pc and starving to death, over and over 15:23 I first hit NetHack on an Amiga at a friends house 15:23 And then a decade later tried to find the game again, and landed on Rogue, and remember thinking "This game sucks" 15:23 Anyopne know that EXTRA column indicates in the games in progress table? 15:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:11780 15:24 Deathsushi: the S3 means sokoban, level 3 I think? 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3271 15:24 Oh, I see 15:24 it's the dungeonn level they're on 15:24 Thanks 15:25 tinklebear: rogue is a different story. that was always harder than nethack 15:25 [hdf-us] [spl] telegarn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 101 points, T:244, sent to the grave by a goblin 15:26 gotcha, bhaak 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4661 points, T:4001, killed by an acidic corpse 15:26 Harder and less ... big 15:26 Narrower game over all 15:26 Deathsushi: how's your current game going then? 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 10821 points, T:8381, killed by a wounded succubus 15:27 amateurhour: I'm just trying to get my settings all pimped out 15:28 I've been hacking around in .nhrc to try and get a sweet looking curses interface, and am fighting a bit with my terminal's font size 15:29 <@luxidream> “you can't ascend if you didn't grow up with nethack” 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3723 15:30 <@luxidream> sometimes people who have been playing for a long time have weird strategy advice 15:30 <@luxidream> see: mccauley 15:30 ten percent luck, twenty percent skill, fifteen percent contentrated power of will 15:30 concentrated* bleh 15:30 and fifty five percent rng 15:31 Does anyone know the option to place the message I get when I farlook? 15:31 (real hail mary throw on this question) 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3788 15:31 <@luxidream> Maybe in twenty years I will be senile and wishing for helm of telepathy 15:31 <@luxidream> Who knows 15:32 to what the message 15:32 amateurhour: mmm? 15:32 <@luxidream> Select what you want to farlook with . 15:33 Right, which then displays a menu box 15:33 <@luxidream> Press # to toggle autodescribe 15:33 I'm trying to get that to display over top of my inventory on the right, rather than over top of my main dungeon map 15:33 ah weird UI, I have no idea 15:33 Got it, okay no worries 15:33 Like I said, wild throw, but thought someone might have it handy 15:33 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 257 points, T:820, killed by an uninjured goblin 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Lord Surtur, on T:12589 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:12604 15:37 -!- Admin__ has joined #hardfought 15:37 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 15:39 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 78 points, T:428, killed by a poisonous corpse 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:28815 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28819 15:43 Is there another shortcut for "repeat last command"? 15:43 Ctrl-a normally works, but from my terminal app that just seems to rest one turn 15:44 -!- Nelennath_ has joined #hardfought 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Nelennath's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1833 15:46 -!- Nelennath has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 15:46 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 312 points, T:3020, killed by a bat, while fainted from lack of food 15:47 -!- Nelennath_ is now known as Nelennath 15:47 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 155 points, T:308, killed by a sewer rat, while unconscious from rotten food 15:51 ayyyyy 15:51 u can do it tommo :> 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 981 points, T:1923, killed by a wounded giant bat 15:52 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1030 points, T:1196, killed by a large mimic 15:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 3812 points, T:3458, killed by a gnome, while praying 15:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 32096 points, T:19128, killed by a piranha 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nelennath (Kni Hum Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2167 15:57 Is there a way to create a keystroke binding to "#name, i" 15:57 So that I can just hit a keystroke andautomatically jump into naming an item in my inventory? 15:57 I feel this is likely the only thing in the way of my ascension 15:57 Deathsushi: im not sure, i have altmeta enabled and alt+n is the first part: #name 15:58 but afaik there's no way to keybind both at once 15:58 Okay, that definitely helps, I didn't know that 15:58 Got it 15:58 it was funny cuz 15:58 i made all this custom meta keybinds 15:58 and they didn't work 15:58 Right 15:58 Hehe 15:58 i was like wtf 15:58 then i enabled altmeta 15:58 And what was the issue? 15:58 and they all worked!!!! 15:58 Haha, right 15:58 I had to do that too 15:58 but then i found out 15:58 I was a programmer 20 years ago 15:58 most of the custom binds i made 15:58 And playing this game is bringing IT ALL BACK 15:58 already default keybinds once altmeta is on 15:59 XD 15:59 Fiddling around in .bashrc and .vimrc getting my shell sets up JUST PERFECT 15:59 soooooo yea 15:59 the only customs i use now are alt+k = kick 15:59 and alt+b = repeat 15:59 the latter doesn't work on NAO 15:59 but it works in 3.7 15:59 for everything else there are defaults already on i just enable altmeta and boom 15:59 its ready to go 16:00 Yah, that doesn't seem to work in SpliceHack — though I'm surprised 16:00 heh 16:00 weird 16:00 I thought SH was based on NH3.7 16:00 well no 16:00 "Unknown command 'M-b'" 16:00 i don't remember exactly how or when it was forked 16:00 and AG tries to keep up with recent 3.7 changes 16:00 but it's difficult 16:00 and repeat was a recent fix 16:00 in 3.7 16:00 fairly recently it jsut didn't work as a custom bind 16:01 Ah, got it 16:02 Is there any reason for a Barbarian to carry around spellbooks? 16:02 Selling value? 16:02 yea early game maybe 16:03 for hte coin 16:03 u can collect them and roleplay as Barbra the Librarian 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nelennath (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2584 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3062 16:04 :o 16:04 kewl 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3126 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a triangular amulet on an altar, on T:3138 16:06 amateurhour If I'm roleplaying, can't I just use rocks? 16:06 * Deathsushi begins collecting rocks 16:06 BEHOLD MY POWER 16:07 since we're talking about roleplaying: saw this at the local bus station https://i.redd.it/3ogjc2hxh4d61.jpg and laughed loud 16:07 hahaha 16:07 "DO NOT PLAY HYGIENIC ROLE" 16:08 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:08 "Hygienic Role" could be a healer 16:08 is it meant to warn against putting toilet paper in the loo? 16:08 yep 16:09 I wonder how toilet paper became hygenic roll haha 16:09 Literal translation 16:09 "papel higiênico" = "hygienic role" 16:09 ahh, so guessing higienico is 16:09 ah yeah 16:09 "papel" as in something you perform/play 16:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:10 that's awesome 16:10 :D 16:10 I laughed so hard I got a few stares 16:10 there's a person in the toilet, laughing like mad 16:10 :D 16:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12705 16:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:3558 16:14 hygenic roll, tonal instrument or no? 16:14 -!- Admin__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:14 omg it actually could fit into slex 16:15 bear in mind that what I am about to say is unholy and I shall ask for forgiveness from [deity] 16:16 YASlexI: hygenic roll, artifact tooled horn - when played it plays the brown note causing the farting status effect 16:16 LOL 16:16 Does Hardfought Spoicehack have support for NAO OPTIONS? 16:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7230 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nelennath (Kni Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:3069 16:20 Deathsushi: I peeked at https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Deathsushi/splicehack/Deathsushi.splicerc 16:20 are you getting some particular errors? 16:20 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1078 points, T:1679, killed by a goblin 16:20 No — for the most part it's working — I'm trying to do a few things 16:21 * tinklebear knows nothing of splicehack 16:21 1. I'm trying to have my status window print messages in reverse order 16:21 ah. 16:21 So that I can have the most recent message displayed at the top, closest to my dungeon view, as possible 16:21 Rather than the bottom (I don't see an option for this) 16:21 And 2. I'm trying to reference some of the option sets I see in this .rc file I borrowed from jww 16:22 I'm surprised there doesn't seem to be any option that allows you to reverse the order of the message window 16:22 so the OPTIONS=msg_window:reversed isn't doing what you want? 16:22 No — that applies to hitting ^P 16:22 But not to the persistent window 16:22 (Which is mildly maddening) 16:22 * tinklebear backscrolls to read again 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8051 16:23 * tinklebear doesn't window. is helpless to help 16:24 Mmm? I didn't follow you there 16:24 Oh gotcha, you don't use it 16:24 (but sympathises) 16:24 :D 16:24 All good — this is minor 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2974 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2210 points, T:3001, killed by an uninjured soldier ant 16:28 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 97 points, T:168, killed by a falling rock 16:34 is that for the curses windowport? 16:34 ayyyyy stenno3 16:34 how u doin 16:35 minecraft 16:35 did you break my record now? 16:35 [hdf-us] [spl] telegarn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:857 16:36 stenno3: Deathsushi's config had OPTIONS=windowtype:curses, last I looked 16:36 Yah, curses 16:36 That's right stenno 16:36 i see 16:36 could add it as a FR on github i guess 16:36 The solution I ended up creating was a smaller window, so that I don't have to look so far to catch the status 16:36 Basically force a smaller status window 16:36 btw my GH issue about unknown-writing scrolls got ignored 16:37 oh lol 16:37 well thats a workaround, not really a satisfying solution 16:37 stenno3: sadly n ot yet 16:37 stenno3: im working on it 16:37 stenno: Exactly 16:37 Kind of brute force 16:37 But it'll work for now 16:38 whereas the issue about being able to pet your dog has 28 comments 16:38 Deathsushi: well ok 16:38 I imagine this would be a fairly simple implementation — just having it print from bottom up 16:38 aoei: do eet 16:38 lol dog pets 16:38 stenno3: working on1! 16:38 Deathsushi: i would say yes, but even the most trivial things turn out to be super annoying in nethack sometimes 16:38 stenno3: i died do wizard 2h 16min last lefvel of gehennom on the asc run receently :C 16:39 rip 16:39 poor resource management tbf 16:39 git gud 16:39 stenno3: damn straight babe 16:39 working on the git gud bit too 16:39 but toniht i am drunk 16:39 you should know about resource management from your gametime runs tho 16:39 how r u 16:39 stenno3: i mean u would think so XD 16:39 but i am bad 16:39 i deduced that from your spelling 16:39 haha 16:39 hahaha 16:40 just playing minecraft, currently setting up a slime farm and then i wanna build a villager trading hall and maybe a general mob trap 16:40 :o 16:40 neat 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nelennath (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed Kougyoku's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:4077 16:40 i herd kerio has a minecraft server 16:40 i learned some nifty new redstone circuits, super efficient T-flipflop and also a nice demultipelxer 16:40 do u play there 16:40 i play locally 16:40 what is a T-flipflop 16:41 i used to play with kerio 16:41 like a D-flipflop, but it just toggles its state on signal 16:41 :o 16:41 neat 16:42 well i like to stir up old drama so i will tell kerio the same shit and hope you will one day resume your relationshiop 16:42 and if not it will be super awks and i will giggle 16:42 because i am a bad persno 16:43 stenno3: you should beat me on 3.7 tho 16:43 sure i may not have the #2 spot on 3.6 yet 16:43 but on 3.7 i am queen only after lux 16:43 maybe tomorrow or so, idk 16:43 whats your 3.7 time? 16:43 erm its not SO bad 16:43 [hdf-us] [spl] telegarn (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 639 points, T:1352, dismembered by a kitten 16:43 not amazingbut 16:43 wait 16:43 lemme check 16:44 !lastgame telegarn 16:44 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/telegarn/splicehack/dumplog/1611433586.splice.html 16:44 2h 46m 43s realtime 16:44 and for wallclock it is... 16:44 "dismembered by a kitten" that's one brutal kitty 16:44 not too bad, yeah 16:44 i will need a few tries at least to beat that 16:45 2h 46m 47s 16:45 i literally saved for 5 seconds on that run 16:45 thats all 16:45 ok 16:45 otherwise single sitting 16:45 I farlook'd at a yellow mold corpse. The entry said nothing about hallucination (though I was pretty certain that would happen). I ate it. Hallucinating. Does farlook not share possible consequences of eating corpses? 16:45 but my best 3.6.6 isn't as good 16:45 i was trying a few times 16:45 Deathsushi: nope 16:45 and like i said i got close 16:45 doesn't 16:45 Deathsushi: that would be a bit too easy D: 16:45 with that 2h 16min wizard thing 16:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:53761 16:46 literally was almost out of gehnnom 16:46 but i didn't manage resources well, so i had no death charges left 16:46 he double troubled 16:46 and rekt my shit 16:46 that was more or less as fast as my juib splapt 16:46 :3 16:46 so we're kinda close now 16:46 we should race 16:46 it would be so hype 16:46 lux wants to commentate kek 16:46 stenno: So it's still worth searching up the wiki then ... 16:46 on his stream chan 16:46 Which the point of farlook was to eliminate 16:46 Deathsushi: yeah you wont get around that 16:46 Or so I thought 16:46 not really 16:47 aoei: we can do something liek that tomorrow 16:47 if luxi has time too 16:47 stenno3: erm. that a bit short notice lol XD 16:47 but if im not too hungover we can try 16:47 lol 16:47 for a better race i would prefer a lil more notice 16:47 like 5-6 hours of playing 16:47 im glad ur up for it in general tho 16:48 yea we talked a abit about splats: if you die just start again, slows you down a bit but basically it's first to ascend 16:48 i guess but i will only pay attention to my own run 16:48 ideally don't splat 16:48 yeah 16:48 but 16:48 yea 16:48 probably leave irc for that 16:48 too 16:48 or at least hte channel 16:48 erm yea i mean i try to avoid irc while racing in gen. lol 16:49 When doors are locked, and I know it's not a shopkeeper door, is conventional wisdom to kick them down, especially in early levels? 16:49 Or is there a better approach 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 85 points, T:123, killed by a falling rock 16:50 stenno3: wjhat terminal size u use 16:50 80x24 16:50 Deathsushi: I usually kick them 16:51 stenno3: da fuq 16:51 Okay 16:51 * Deathsushi masters karate 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1779 points, T:2245, killed by a slightly wounded soldier ant 16:51 yeah i should switch to curses but i have to get used to it first 16:51 like with perma inv 16:51 I just switched last night 16:51 I'm loving it 16:51 The options for colours indicating beatitude etc. is really nice too 16:52 I've never got used to curses, don't know why 16:52 Deathsushi: colors and stuff i have on tty too 16:52 perma inv would be the only feature i'd do it 16:52 I have colors on tty, too... Copied an rc from bouquet iirq 16:52 *IIRC 16:53 Oh nice 16:53 Beyond the persistent windows, I don't find it much different 16:53 perm invent is just a crutch for not remembering what you have 16:53 amateurhour: it saves time 16:53 I guess 16:53 Or it's something to avoid having to tax your memory? 16:53 If the fun of the game for you is remembering things, then I suppose that's fine 16:54 Not the most fun aspect of this game for me :D 16:55 i usually have my inventory memorized, its good sometimes to pay attention which kind of armor you are wearing 16:55 early game i wear wahtever armour i can find 16:55 <@luxidream> stenno3: I’m free tomorrow 16:55 :o 16:55 like when you take them off temporarily 16:56 i am also free but i might be hungover 16:56 @luxidream well then, we have to figure out which time 16:56 i wont' count tomorrow as real run 16:56 but friendly match is go 16:56 i am CET time zone, its currently 11pm 16:56 i am in same tz as stenno3 16:56 -!- stenno3 is now known as stenno 16:56 ooh is this practise 16:56 gonna be on twitch? 16:56 i guess on twitch 16:56 <@luxidream> race 16:56 i assume lux will stream it 16:56 <@luxidream> I will comment 16:57 ooh 16:57 this will be devastating 16:57 aoei v stenno race? 16:57 like i think he wants to dgl into our runs 16:57 my strats are like 6 years old lol 16:57 and commentate 16:57 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:57 stenno: well im not that good yet 16:57 stenno: consider 16:57 oh man I have to watch this, it's gonna be so fun 16:57 my first december "speedrun attempt" 16:57 took me 8 hours 16:57 lol 16:58 i am up for a run but i want to repeat that if stenno wins it doesnt' count as a real match 16:58 because i had less than 24 h notice 16:58 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 16:58 the proper race i will fucking grind him into dust 16:58 if aoei wins it doesn't count either 16:58 just want that to be known ok 16:58 stenno: true 16:58 i am not in training 16:58 hahaaaa 16:58 yea its a warmup 16:58 didn't really play since december 16:58 we will have a proper showdown later :> 16:58 since my 13 wins in 13 days 16:58 yeah 16:58 <@luxidream> What’s a good time for you guys tomorrow 16:58 erm 16:58 1PM ? 16:58 i would prefer later honestly 16:58 like 16:59 4pm or 8pm our time 16:59 <@luxidream> Later is better for me 16:59 whats the time difference between us and luxi? 16:59 lux is 6 hours behind us i think 16:59 ish 16:59 Deathsushi: "Which the point of farlook was to eliminate" <-- idk, but maybe you are thinking of this pokedex thing I know nothing about 16:59 roughly 16:59 ooh lol 16:59 <@luxidream> It is 4 pm here 16:59 so yeah 8pm us is probs better for him 16:59 <@luxidream> For me 16:59 7 hours 16:59 ah 7 16:59 so even 2pm would be evil 16:59 stenno: how you feel about 8ish 16:59 so 4pm? 16:59 pm 16:59 8pm 16:59 i have to work on monday 16:59 ehh 16:59 i guess we can start a liil earlier 16:59 i don't think i can focus if its going to be late 16:59 6pm? 17:00 i think 6pm is also pretty great for me 17:00 that'd be 11am for luxi 17:00 tbf 17:00 <@luxidream> Seems good 17:00 alright 17:00 <@luxidream> I will be awake 17:00 nice 17:00 i might get sleepy at like 11pm or so 17:00 that gives you what 17:00 5 hours 17:00 5 h 17:00 yeah 17:00 should be ok ig uess 17:00 2.5 h max splats 17:00 there is a metagame in it now 17:00 last 2.5 h you gotta be winning 17:01 so i have to decide if i wnat to continue a run if i get a weak start 17:01 its like early bird metagame 17:01 thus far we haven't discussed #quit rules per se 17:01 just if you splat yuo can start over 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:12925 17:01 main thing is first o ascend, wins 17:01 <@luxidream> First person to win wins 17:01 yeah #quit is just fine 17:01 <@luxidream> That’s the rule 17:01 okey fair play 17:02 3.7.0 on hdf 17:02 or 3.6.6 nao 17:02 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Kni Hum Fem Law), 569 points, T:767, killed by a giant rat 17:02 maybe i should do dwa valk instead hum valk 17:02 3.7 hdf 17:02 <@luxidream> Feel free to scum for con 17:02 i will sucm for con i always do kek 17:02 not neccessary 17:02 but i wonder how the streaming will go then 17:02 thats your choice 17:02 hehe 17:02 well its up to lux to pick up our dgl feeds 17:02 i mean the watch session close 17:02 s 17:02 when you end the game 17:02 ime sure he can manage lol 17:03 <@luxidream> Stenno: I think con gives you a pretty big advantage 17:03 hes the main streamer and commentator 17:03 dont help him lux you mofo 17:03 <.< 17:03 <@luxidream> I can open it back up 17:03 i will try to go polyselfless 17:03 >.> 17:03 tbh i keep polyselfless typically 17:03 <@luxidream> It’s a race though, don’t waste time 17:03 tho if i thik it will give me an edge i might try to use it 17:03 yea 17:03 priority is first to win 17:03 reyt 17:03 so 17:03 focus on that 17:04 guess its decided at the castle if i can continue the run 17:04 stenno is rusty and im still training so 17:04 and thats like 1h in 17:04 i guess it will be a cool friendly match 17:04 :3 17:04 yeah all chill 17:04 training match 17:04 stenno: feb or march latest we have a real showdown 17:04 is that recorded on twitch so i can watch it later? 17:04 stenno: i thin usually lux records 17:04 <@luxidream> yes 17:04 nice 17:04 :3 17:05 <@luxidream> I usually don’t reupload to yt 17:05 <@luxidream> But I can do that also 17:05 i learned yesterday that minecraft is now the most speedrunned game lol 17:05 overtook mario 64 17:05 and generally speedrunning is so popular now, its strange 17:05 <@luxidream> so it’s Minecraft, Mario oot? 17:06 think its actually minecraft, m64, miencraft bedrock edition 17:06 <@luxidream> Mario looks like a fun game to run 17:06 oot looks insane to run now 17:06 <@luxidream> yeah idk what happened to oot 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:13347 17:07 <@luxidream> apparently it’s broken af now? 17:07 oo tommo still on they run 17:07 they found stale reference manipulation which can lead to arbitrary code execution 17:07 also why is spicy still not online 17:07 i wanted to talk to her about smth :v 17:07 decided to ban ACE from speedruns as it's pretty boring 17:07 but allowed a limited amount of the SRM to give themselves all items etc 17:08 <@luxidream> I mean there’s ace in smw 17:08 so now p much all categories start with a very precise sequence of rather mental steps 17:08 lemme find the source first 17:08 <@luxidream> Hasn’t been banned there right? 17:08 oot is broken i think 17:08 it's completely broken yeah 17:08 like there is an early credit skip 17:09 yeah the any% with ACE is just do weird things with an invisible rock -> credits 17:09 <@luxidream> Last time I watched oot was when they were still doing wrong warps 17:09 so now they're really precise with the rules for all dungeons and 100% 17:09 gotta get the things from their original locations 17:10 I think ZFG made a good video explaining it all, if I'm remembering rightly 17:10 (also he ran in the recent GDQ) 17:11 Deathsushi: re yellow mold hallucination: Monster lookup is good at expressing what's in the monster's statblock; for special case behavior like if (mon == PM_YELLOW_MOLD) { make_hallucinated(); } not so much 17:11 aosdict: Is that relevant in game? 17:12 it's relevant that yellow mold makes you hallucinated, yes 17:12 this is my source: https://youtu.be/Np7IzlrWcHo?t=175 17:12 i thought yellow mold was just stun 17:12 brb 17:12 OOT isn't even listed 17:13 aoei: they cause stunning when alive 17:13 poison + hallu when dead 17:13 ach so 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:13431 17:13 <@luxidream> oot is in the thumbnail 17:13 there's not many runners of oot they just play a lot :P 17:13 what does oot stand for even 17:13 <@luxidream> Bait 17:13 ocarina of time 17:13 the only order i know is the order of the cockatrice 17:13 its minecraft, sm64, minecraft category extensions (what ever that means), minecraft: bedrock, then celeste, then roblox 17:13 <@luxidream> Order of the 17:13 out of time :P 17:14 <@luxidream> Ok, maybe those are Karl jobst’s 5 favorite speedrun moments 17:14 what aosdict said, zelda: ocarina of time, which is regarded as the best video game by some (citation nedded) 17:14 is it as good as mother 3 though? NOPE 17:14 <@luxidream> That doesn’t make them the top 5 speedgames? 17:14 @luxidream see the exact link i posted, there is a timelapse of most games run on speedrun.com 17:14 with the t=175 17:14 * aosdict had a bad enough experience in the forest temple for it to not rank among his favorite games 17:15 'unique runners within the last 100 days' 17:15 which is a fair metric imo 17:15 what happened to you in forest? didn't know to shoot the paintings? 17:15 I would put wind waker up there though 17:15 wind waker was like 25% cool and 75% bored out of my mind sailing around 17:15 <@luxidream> Yeah I guess oot has too few unique runners 17:15 aosdict, Deathsushi, re yellow mold hallu: my new head canon is that hallucination from yellow mold is a fact about the player character's metabolism, and less of a property of yellow molds 17:15 nethack 3.7 is the best video game of all times 17:16 i mean 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 573 points, T:1769, killed by an uninjured paper golem 17:16 its definitely my favouritre 17:16 probably actually minecraft is the best videogame of all times 17:16 at least i think that 17:16 amateurhour: no I ran around for hours going "WHERE IS THE $#*%(@*%( KEY" when all along it was hiding in the dark first room above the entrance that you were supposed to reach by climbing vines 17:16 <@luxidream> I mean necrodancer is hugely popular but has about 17:16 <@luxidream> four runners 17:16 hey 17:16 Hello aoei, Welcome to #hardfought 17:16 what is necrodancer 17:16 shut up beholder 17:16 crypt of the necrodancer 17:16 <@luxidream> smh 17:16 roguelite 17:16 people say they like the forest temple music. but not me 17:16 i been in this chan before u were cuttin diapers 17:16 with a nice soundtrack 17:17 one of the 2 roguelites i played, the other one being enter the gungeon 17:17 didi have something i was doing 17:17 <@luxidream> The black sheep of both roguelikes and rhythm games 17:17 sum1 halp 17:17 <@luxidream> How I found nethack 17:17 you didnt find nethack bc nethack?? 17:17 'real roguelike' 17:17 i only foujnd it thru nethack 17:17 in order to be a black sheep, doesn't it need to actually be a member of the group? It's not a roguelike (but it is a rhythm game) 17:18 i found nethack because it was in the gnu games collection and i didn't have internet for some time, and i remembered it was mentioned on /. quite a lot 17:18 <@luxidream> See aosdict rhythm gamers don’t call it a rhythm game 17:18 <@luxidream> To them it’s a roguelike 17:18 its not a roguelike, just have to ask /r/roguelikes :P 17:18 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Mal Cha), 1439 points, T:6749, sent to the next life by a giant spider 17:18 Those giant spiders are RUTHLESS 17:18 and i also agree that its not a roguelike because of the realtime stuff 17:19 I think /r/roguelikes doesn't think anything is a roguelike 17:19 <@luxidream> you’re not required to stay on beat at all, you just have to move once per beat 17:19 <@luxidream> And you have freedom to move as you please 17:19 <@luxidream> It’s not a rhythm game 17:19 hm 17:20 hey 17:20 Hello aoei, Welcome to #hardfought 17:20 that soujnds like i dance 17:20 you are correct but i still wound't consider it turnbased 17:20 haha 17:20 like the way i 17:20 alos shut UP beholder gawd 17:20 but i get your point 17:20 <@luxidream> I agree 17:20 <@luxidream> It’s somewhere in the middle 17:21 i think just calling it a roguelite is something that most people would agree with 17:21 idk about rhythm games 17:21 and thats fine 17:21 i struggle enough keeping rhythm in a less structured context 17:21 i tried playing necrodancer but i was really bad at it lol 17:22 kept blaming my computer for being out sync but maybe it was just me being bad 17:22 <@luxidream> I couldn’t beat aria all zones 17:22 it looks cool if people can actually play it, and htte soundtrack is nice, but its def. not a game for me 17:22 <@luxidream> So I gave up on the game 17:22 https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/GenreBusting 17:23 enter the gungeon i was bad too but i still enjoyed it a lot playing it 17:23 should play it again 17:23 (umbire's not here so I'm not bothering him with tvt links) 17:23 enter the gungeon just feels really good playing it, even if you suck 17:24 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:24 learned about it from totalbiscuit (rip) 17:24 speak of the devil 17:25 Mm? 17:25 oh i guess you could call darkest dungeon a roguelite too? 17:25 idk 17:25 its a bit like slay the spire i guess 17:25 same kind of game somehow 17:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:14046 17:26 <@luxidream> I like slay the spire 17:26 <@luxidream> Still play it sometimes 17:26 should really look into it, i think its something i'd enjoy 17:26 <@luxidream> Mostly because of the card game and not the “rogue” element though 17:26 yeah 17:26 its a cardbuilding game basically 17:26 whatever happened to reynards game btw lol 17:27 https://playthebazaar.com/ 17:27 <@luxidream> It’s interesting in that you have to throw out some preconceptions of card games to do well 17:27 'pre order' so still not released lol 17:27 <@luxidream> Like small deck = good is not necessarily true 17:27 hmm interesting 17:27 s/cardbuilding/deckbuilding/ 17:27 well for now i have to focus on minecraft and nethack lol 17:28 i have some insane goals for junethack 17:28 minehack and netcraft 17:28 maybe after that i will look into new stuff like slay the spire 17:29 (new for me) 17:29 @luxidream did you play darkest dungeon? 17:29 <@luxidream> Haven’t played that 17:29 maybe its something you'd enjoy if you also liked slay the spired 17:29 -d 17:30 its not a deckbuilding game but its somewhat similar 17:30 can i pray in vlad's tower 17:30 <@luxidream> I’ll look at some gameplay 17:30 tommo: yes 17:30 <@luxidream> Yes 17:30 bless u 17:30 <@luxidream> Did someone put on the amulet strangulation 17:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:1238 17:32 lol 17:33 Vlad's Tower is a "safe area" for prayer since it's technically outside Gehennom 17:33 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Bliss56's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:2052 17:36 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 39 points, T:158, killed by a jackal 17:36 just checked, vlad is the 18th most often killer in 3.6.6 17:36 on NAO 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:14676 17:36 for games with a max dungeon level > 30 i should say 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:14677 17:37 at this pont, is MR worth a wish 17:37 <@luxidream> Uhh 17:37 well 17:37 <@luxidream> You don’t have mr 17:37 writing geno 17:37 err yes 17:38 MR is mandatory at this point 17:38 inb4 well acshually 17:38 i killed 6 gray dragons but no dice:P 17:38 <@luxidream> Write another geno 17:38 tommo: oof 17:38 yea keep genoing 17:38 .. 17:38 kk 17:38 you started down that road lol 17:38 so you have "oR, whats your armor? 17:38 mithril? 17:39 yeah milk that gamblers fallacy for all it's worth 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:14728 17:39 <@luxidream> Sunk cost fallacy 17:39 <@luxidream> Not gamblers fallacy 17:39 ye 17:39 <@luxidream> Gamblers fallacy would be believing that the chance of getting scales is now higher 17:39 <@luxidream> After 6 failures 17:40 i thought maybe there was a rule i didn't know 17:40 like w turning 17:40 do it enough, and eventually you'll strike out with two cursed geno scrolls in a row 17:40 it is though, because you'll now tell me that it isn't more likely now 17:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:27249 17:40 anyway, i need to wish for conflict now lol cuz ima die to 5 dragons 17:40 <@luxidream> I’ve never had to go past three 17:40 and rngesus will throw the funny dice and make it happen so I can say "see, it was more likely" 17:40 luxidream: me neither 17:40 @luxidream in order to keep writing geno scrolls, you have to believe at some level that ok, it'll probably happen on THIS one... 17:41 aosdict: this is always true, in a sense 17:41 does graveyard level also nerf scales drop together with corpse drop maybe? 17:41 Do people have any particular strategy for when you need to find hidden exits/passages to travel down? I tend to just walk three spaces, hit 20s, and repeat 17:41 no it doesn't, never mind 17:42 Deathsushi: I do 11s, but whateverworks 17:42 Deathsushi: i do the same unless i have searching 17:42 20s for me 17:42 Okay 17:42 <@luxidream> Expected number of scales for each geno scroll is 5/3 17:42 Was hoping there was a better trick than the brute force method 17:42 <@luxidream> So I feel like you’d get it eventually 17:42 Deathsushi: well if you have ring of searching or exca, you just have to do like 5s 17:42 Right 17:42 Deathsushi: also wand of secret door detection, somewhat underrated 17:43 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3048 17:44 <@luxidream> You have about a 99.8% of getting it after 3 cursed geno 17:45 Revgeno is best done while standing on Elbereth or a scare monster scroll 17:45 Umbire: in a vault 17:46 doubt.jpg 17:46 Umbire: you like getting sprayed with dragon breath? 17:46 <@luxidream> I like doing it in a 3x3 shop or dug out 3x3 cave 17:46 <@luxidream> But suit yourself 17:46 and besides that I feel like tommo already has reflection 17:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a helm of speed, on T:14068 17:47 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 894 points, T:1692, killed by a copper shotgun shell 17:49 omg orcus read cursed tele 17:50 <@luxidream> rip 17:50 <@luxidream> Time to hunt him down 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3283 17:50 good luck with that 17:51 Is there anyway to determine my intrinsics in NH? Stethescope? 17:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3319 17:51 wand of enlightenment 17:51 or potion 17:51 there's a wand of enlightenment now? 17:52 has been there since 3.4.3 17:52 at least 17:52 lol that's wild, I completely forgot it exist 17:52 thought it was a variant thing 17:52 It's not very common 17:52 amateurhour: put cancellation in your BoH. you'll be very enlightened indeed 17:52 thanks for the tip tinklebear, I trust you 17:52 praise the bohsplosion nerf in 3.6 17:52 333.7* 17:52 argh 17:52 3.7* 17:53 You typically find 1-2 wands of enlightenment per game, if you play methodically. 17:53 amateurhour: always here to help 17:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:4148 17:53 Speedrunners probably usually don't find any. 17:53 ah yes, that'll be why I've forgotten them jonadab 17:53 its a 150zm wand so not really high priority to buy them 17:54 Also, pacifists likely don't find any most games. 17:54 huh? 17:54 Because they mostly come from death drops. 17:54 do they? didn't know that 17:54 They don't generate in monster starting inventory at all. 17:54 well yeah 17:54 but they also normally generate in the dungeon 17:54 So unless there's one randomly on the floor, you're looking at death drops. 17:55 Yeah, but the number of random floor items is much smaller than the number of death drops, in normal play. 17:55 lets see the genration frequency 17:55 1.5% 17:55 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 124 points, T:470, killed by an acidic corpse 17:55 wow thats really low 17:55 Is that 1.5% of wands? 17:55 second-lowest probability after death/wishing 17:55 yep 17:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3618 17:56 Ok, yeah, that sounds about right. 17:56 Note that's 1.5% of randomly generated wands, excluding monster inventory. 17:56 So way less than 1.5% of total wands. 17:56 sure, i guess 17:56 Because you get a ton of e.g. wands of create monster, that don't count. 17:56 you will find create monster and attack wands later 17:56 Also some of the attack wands. 17:56 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Fem Cha) destroyed malor's ghost, the former Novice, on T:4254 17:56 I mean pacifists can still polypile 17:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:15351 17:57 Umbire: Oh, true. 17:57 you don't ususally polypile wands as paci though 17:57 Is there anything in particular that's always worth picking up from a bones pile? Aside from gold? 17:57 Like, food rations? 17:57 You could; but the motivation to polypile wands is low compared to other item categories. 17:57 Deathsushi: Typically? Rings. 17:57 How come rings? 17:58 They weigh almost nothing, and even if cursed you can use them for pet wrangling. 17:58 jonadab: and yah, like, sort of a best practice 17:58 Pet Wrangling? Can you tell me more? 17:58 <@luxidream> An optimal player polypiles for wands of death/teleport with high charges 17:58 Pets don't like moving over cursed items 17:58 If you don't want your pets to step in particular places, you can put cursed items there. 17:58 Oh I see 17:58 <@luxidream> A 1:12 wand of death is particularly useful 17:58 And it's not 100%,b ut it helps a lot. 17:58 When would I use that? 17:58 Especially in Sokoban. 17:58 ^ 17:58 @luxidream maybe in a low resource run 17:58 I've never even considered doing that 17:58 Also the cursed rings could just be plain good 17:58 Ahhh 17:58 @luxidream but i found out that paci is surprisingly non-low resource 17:58 Umbire: So I keep them to dip in holy water later? 17:58 <@luxidream> Why not take everything 17:59 even though you miss out on the death drops 17:59 Deathsushi: At some point, if you have a lot of cursed stuff, you'll read a blessed scroll of remove curse. 17:59 <@luxidream> Except the weapons 17:59 Sometimes you can't carry all the weight right now. 17:59 <@luxidream> stenno: you still get offensive/defensive items 17:59 luxi Deathsushi was asking if there was anything in particular 17:59 Does that just dump the entire set of curses? 17:59 So you often have to leave a lot of the armor/potions/other heavy stuff. 18:00 like prioritizing 18:00 <@luxidream> I’d take wands, scrolls, potions, and rings 18:00 yes, blessed remove curse scrolls uncurse everything in current inventory 18:00 Okay, this is helpful. I'll grab these, thanks guys! 18:00 Potions can be heavy. 18:00 LEARNING 18:00 KNOWLEDGE 18:00 you'd prioritize anything you would otherwise prioritize 18:00 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KuTSAeFhdZU 18:00 <@luxidream> Just haul them off to a box somewhere 18:00 idk why it is especialyl related to bones 18:01 because cursed items and shiz 18:01 just regarding carry cap? 18:01 <@luxidream> stenno: the cursed armor might be bad I guess 18:01 and that 18:01 Depends what it is. 18:01 <@luxidream> I’d wear cursed valk shield 18:01 i'd wear most cursed stuff 18:01 If you see SDSM on a bones pile, you don't care if it's cursed. 18:01 <@luxidream> But not anything off an arc :p 18:01 Either you want it, or not. 18:01 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:907 18:01 uncursed remove curse will uncurse everything cursed worn/wielded 18:02 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 839 points, T:917, killed by a gnome 18:02 aoei: but we both play with !bones tomorrow, right? 18:02 stenno yes 18:02 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:02 good 18:02 100% bonesless always 18:02 yep 18:02 I mean that's SDSM though, 99/100 times it's worth wearing cursed 18:02 ivar the bonesless 18:02 stenno the bonesless 18:02 wehreis spicy 18:02 The 100th time you'll want an enchanted shirt on 18:02 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 18:03 <@nabru> SDSM is like pizza, even when it's bad (cursed), it's good 18:03 I can see the point of !bones for tournaments and contests and such, but I wouldn't want to play that way normally. Bones add so much *interest* to the game. I love finding them and figuring out the stories of what probably happened to the other player. 18:03 <@luxidream> bones are cheap 18:03 <@nabru> I like the idea of bones 18:03 Same jonadab 18:03 <@luxidream> They’re great storytelling 18:03 Bones is really neat — adds to the lore 18:03 <@luxidream> But horrible balance 18:03 And the feel of communityu 18:03 Ina. touranment, I agree. It's basically a rando lucky find 18:03 Or, a rando "OH SHI- YASD" 18:03 ZZZZzzzzaaaap 18:04 @luxidream: I think if there's a balance problem with bones, it's that uncursing cursed gear is too easy. 18:04 <@nabru> I've left some nasty bones in the past 18:04 <@nabru> e.g. tried to polymorph a nymph to get rid of her, out comes a demilich 18:04 Oh, what about rations? 18:04 i wonder if its a good strat to not enchant your DSM unless you are safe from polymorph 18:04 <@luxidream> The balance problem is that there is too much free stuff 18:04 They're presumably pretty good to grab from bones files, yes? 18:04 because if you poly into dragon, then revert, and then you have like +4 scales, you cannot safely enchant them again for DSM 18:05 i noticed that in my past runs 18:05 <@luxidream> I prioritize helm and gloves usually 18:05 <@luxidream> since they can’t be lost to a polymorph trap 18:05 yeah i guess by the time you'd actually enchant your body armor you'd have MR anyway 18:05 right 18:05 boots too 18:05 <@luxidream> if you have MR, spread out your enchantments 18:05 @nabru: when I was doing Most Unique Deaths work for demilichens clan in JunetHack (I wanna say 2014 or so), I kept using the acehack reroll feature to get wands of polymorph and using those on the first likely-looking monster I found. A couple of times I got down to bones-eligible death before finding one. 18:05 There were complaints. 18:05 @luxidream why spreading? i don't care usually 18:06 <@luxidream> It blesses more pieces of armor 18:06 that seems optimum strategy in any circumstances 18:06 <@luxidream> Blessed armor has a luck based chance of resisting erosion 18:06 i gues you' rather bless-enchant +0 instead of +3 18:06 oh i see 18:06 <@luxidream> And higher expected value of low enchantment as well 18:06 Balance that against your desire to hold onto various pieces of armor or to replace them, however. 18:07 never really cared about erosion in the later game i have to admit 18:07 Gear you're planning to replace soon, is likely not as worth enchanting, as gear you plan to keep.. 18:07 when i played it safe during tnnt and in my all roles run in december, i sometimes enchanted early anyway 18:07 but you wouldn't do that in a low resoruce run 18:08 <@luxidream> Well when your ac is really bad, you want every point you can get 18:08 It depends on circumstances. 18:08 scrolls are the most valuable things 18:08 On the one hand, you CAN get more scrolls later. By wishing for a marker if necessary. 18:08 <@luxidream> It sucks having worse than -5 18:08 And surviving now is more important than having better resources later. 18:08 jonadab: that doesn't give you actual scrolsl though 18:08 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 18:08 sucks having a marker but no blank scrolls 18:08 stenno: Well, if you're not doing paci or speedrun, you have unlimited blank scrolls. 18:09 Just blank a stack of 50 scrolls of create monster. 18:09 sure, i am talking about low-resource runs 18:09 Yeah, ok. 18:09 @luxidream depending on your equipment its still fine for castle 18:09 if you do tonal 18:09 tonal strat 18:09 <@luxidream> I mean endgame 18:09 (50 is an exaggeration; I think the most create monster scrolls I ever blanked at one go was 30.) 18:09 oh lol 18:10 <{Demo}> polypile 18:10 {Demo}: polypile is really dangerous for low-resource 18:10 you might just end up evaporating all your stuff and end up with nothing 18:10 happened to me quite some times with rings 18:10 just wasting charges 18:10 The problem isn't that it's dangerous; it's that you don't have enough resources to put in, to give you a good chance of getting what you want. 18:10 <@luxidream> Will you do soko in the race tomorrow 18:10 yes 18:10 unless i have boh/dsm early 18:11 boh/reflection 18:11 <@luxidream> nice 18:11 i will do the first level in any case and get what i can get from the 2nd 18:11 <@luxidream> I also agree with doing soko on more consistent runs 18:11 would be nice if i could get 2h30, thats a nice goal for tomorrow ithink 18:11 and there i have all the time 18:11 <{Demo}> i have no idea what the context is 18:12 <@luxidream> I think just focus on not losing 18:12 hmm yeah 18:12 <{Demo}> i just like when my stack of 50 cm turns into a stack of 50 geno 18:12 <@luxidream> Whoever loses first might cost them the race 18:12 {Demo}: i got coaxed into a realtime race with aoei tomorrow 18:12 <@luxidream> demo: I am commenting on the race on my twitch channel tomorrow morning 18:12 <{Demo}> oh hell yeah 18:12 <{Demo}> what time gmt? 18:12 <@luxidream> 12 pm est 18:12 6pm CET 18:12 gmt would be 5pm i think 18:13 <{Demo}> ok word ill probably be alive by then and watch 18:13 <{Demo}> sounds awesome 18:13 @luxidream can you be online on IRC for that so i can PM you when i do a break or somethign? 18:13 <@luxidream> sure 18:13 cool thx 18:14 its gaining traction 18:14 quick someone make a reddit post 18:14 watch me getting humiliated in public 18:14 someone grab all the reddit karma 18:14 semi-public 18:14 literally 5 upvote karma 18:14 we need maximum twitch views 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:16061 18:14 fine i do a post 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:16062 18:14 well no i wont 18:15 imma play minecraft now 18:15 dude 18:15 post the reddit 18:15 thing 18:15 for the karma 18:15 and teh hype :V 18:15 yeah it woudl be nice for the hype 18:15 <{Demo}> i dont care who wins i just wanna watch a FIGHT 18:15 but i don't want to announce my own run somehow 18:15 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 50659 points, T:17722, killed by an ogre queen 18:15 {Demo}: isnt that the point :v 18:15 fine ill do it 18:15 no thats fair 18:15 <@luxidream> If I posted I’d be promoting my own channel 18:15 someone else needs to hype it 18:16 ffs 18:16 who has reddit acct 18:16 who is not us 18:16 @luxidream whats your channel name? 18:16 lol 18:16 i do it 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:16097 18:16 <@luxidream> twitch.tv/luxidream 18:16 @luxidream also does that work if i just play 80x24/80x25 tty? 18:16 kk 18:16 aoei: do you have a reddit username? 18:16 <@luxidream> I’d like you to have more similar terminal sizes 18:16 stenno: erm 18:16 i may have ha donce upon a time 18:17 or rather, with what nick should i mention you? 18:17 i think currently i have no reddit user whatsoever 18:17 aoei is fine 18:17 ok 18:17 and your player name? 18:17 <@luxidream> Aren’t you ykstort 18:17 er 18:17 ykstort is a long time ago :D 18:17 i think that reddit user may be extant still 18:17 technically 18:17 oh you mean on reddit 18:17 aoei: what username will play under on hdf? 18:17 but i dont use it and i dont strongly associate with it 18:17 stenno: Stella 18:17 kk 18:17 lol 18:18 stella and stenno 18:18 same first 3 letters lol 18:18 <{Demo}> good luck commentating that 18:18 thats luxi's problem kek 18:18 <@luxidream> I’ll just say “aoei” 18:19 also fine 18:19 aoei is my main nick thesed ays 18:19 days 18:19 i like how you pronounce it on stream too <3 18:19 sounds perfect 18:19 just like you dropped a brick on your toe 18:19 as is intended 18:19 <@luxidream> I think that is the canonical pronunciation 18:19 :) 18:20 <{Demo}> aoei pronounce letters a o e? 18:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:4890 18:20 <@luxidream> Ao like ao oni 18:20 ah oh ay ee 18:20 <@luxidream> Ei like ee 18:20 how hawaians would say it 18:21 in hawaiians each vowel is pronounced 18:21 -s 18:21 oni is demon 18:22 <@luxidream> Ao oni the game 18:22 <@luxidream> I think it’s a classic rpgmaker game 18:22 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4810 18:22 oh a jrpg 18:22 i know the face 18:22 <@luxidream> alongside things like the witch’s house, yume nikki 18:22 the violet face 18:22 i played yume nikki a bit but found it boring v_v 18:22 i apprechiate the artistry though 18:22 <@luxidream> I really love the concept of the game 18:23 <@luxidream> huge fan 18:23 Ao Oni is the least scary thing ever 18:23 <@luxidream> It is lacking in gameplay 18:23 Witch's House is basically just an AFHV reel of gore 18:23 yeah its basically a walking simulartor 18:23 more funny than anything else except for the ending which is "fuck you for thinking people can have nice things" 18:23 <@luxidream> I would play VR yume nikki though 18:23 gotta admit that i apprechiate stories more, for example 'to the moon' 18:23 YN is just plain goated 18:24 @luxidream so LSD then 18:24 'to the moon' made me sob 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2111 18:24 yeah lsd simulator lol 18:24 <@luxidream> goated? 18:24 goated 18:24 that must be weird in VRE 18:24 -E 18:24 <@luxidream> Is LSD in VR yet 18:24 like "based" but without the inherent dogwhistle 18:24 GOAT = greatest of all time 18:24 <@luxidream> Ah gotcha 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 shield of reflection", on T:43193 18:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6364 18:25 goat see 18:26 those were the days... 18:26 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 4382 points, T:4916, mowed down by a human mummy 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:16337 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:16339 18:26 i guess rickrolling is now the family friendly version of goatse 18:26 gogo tommo 18:28 <@luxidream> I prefer thunder cross split attack 18:28 There was duck rolling before that 18:28 wait Thunder Cross? 18:28 That's a shmup right 18:28 <@luxidream> https://youtu.be/hB8S6oKjiw8 18:30 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 18:30 <@luxidream> It doesn’t count if you click on it knowing what it is :p 18:32 lmfao 18:32 I didn't 18:33 legit thought of the shmup first 18:33 but I've seen this ep p. sure 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 100 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:16803 18:36 aoei: @luxidream here is the text, any suggestions for improvement? http://ix.io/2N64 18:36 its better formatted in the post lol 18:36 oh should mention the version 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2871 18:37 <{Demo}> yeah mention version 18:37 <{Demo}> that's all I took away but I already knew what's going on so maybe I missed something 18:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6698 18:38 i will just submit it then, if there are any complaints/suggestions i guess i can edit it afterwards 18:38 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 12511 points, T:23359, killed by a couatl 18:39 wait the difference is 7 hours 18:39 so its 11AM for EST 18:39 oh wait no 18:39 <{Demo}> it's 6:39 right now on the east coast of the US 18:39 <{Demo}> pm 18:39 <@luxidream> I’m cst 18:39 @luxidream is just not in EST timezone 18:39 right 18:39 <@luxidream> The post looks fine 18:40 acutally i am /u/tufoop3 and not /u/tufoop 18:41 made the post 18:41 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/l3nira/epic_realtime_speedrun_battle_with_live/ 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:13235 18:42 i guess rickrolling is now the family friendly version of goatse 18:42 just wanted to qft 18:42 i am drunk tho 18:42 do not try to engage 18:42 i will overshare 18:42 or engage inapprproriately 18:42 bye 18:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9437 18:43 stenno / aoei speedrun battle, this is gonna be fun 18:43 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1152 points, T:2166, killed by a giant mosquito 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13299 18:44 it will be embarrassing 18:44 <{Demo}> for the opponent!!! 18:44 i will regret it tomorrow that i agreed to that lol 18:44 lol {Demo} 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:7051 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:17368 18:45 <@luxidream> just don’t die lol 18:45 call an ambulance... BUT NOT FOR ME! 18:45 haha 18:45 <@910rd> 🇭 🇾 🇵 🇪 18:45 <{Demo}> both ppl r better than me therefore it should be fun to watch 18:45 I'm going to get some snacks 18:45 ^this 18:45 niec 18:45 stenno: i mean 18:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:9967 18:45 <{Demo}> and the commentator is probably gonna have some idea what's going on 18:46 <@910rd> HP for those in irc 18:46 i was already drunk when you agreed to tomorrow 18:46 <{Demo}> instead of being like "they are playing nethack fast it's pretty cool" 18:46 but since we agreed friendly game its cool :> 18:46 @luxidream will mostly be bewildered by my arcane terrible strats 18:46 yeah its all friendly 18:46 <@luxidream> No I will just talk about the triple dog feeding amulet branchport skip 18:46 luxidream if you don't say "they are playing nethack fast it's pretty cool" ima be mad 18:46 <{Demo}> until it isn't and stenno goes for blood 18:46 amateurhour: rofl 18:46 @Luxidream wait what is that a thing 18:47 <@luxidream> Oh look an amulet maybe it’s AoY 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:17528 18:47 <{Demo}> oh look a boulder, maybe it has a wow under it 18:47 <@luxidream> stenno: it’s nonsense that Demo made up 18:47 <{Demo}> I did? 18:48 luxid IT THE SAME 18:48 ok 18:48 <{Demo}> was gonna say, sounds like some shit I'd make up 18:48 <@luxidream> you said something along those lines 18:48 demo makes up the best shit 18:48 <{Demo}> so it's nice when what goes around comes around 18:48 <@luxidream> If you were to give commentary 18:49 <{Demo}> man i was talking about that the other day and i don't even remember, lol 18:49 watch me get an early wow but totally botch the run and die because of overestimation and nervousness 18:49 thats my greatest fear 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:43406 18:49 but u already did that 18:49 <@luxidream> Just play it safe 18:49 <{Demo}> stenno, that would make it more entertaining 18:49 aoei: when? 18:49 so u should have got over the fear right 18:49 well i did it during TNNT 18:49 in front of a huge audience stenno!! 18:49 stenno: the other day i thin kso 18:49 <@luxidream> You are not trying to get wr 18:49 <{Demo}> if you crash and burn, it is good 18:49 aoei: that wasn't early wow, that was a single wihs 18:49 juiblex killed ur or smth 18:49 lolz 18:50 <{Demo}> i wanna see an astral splat idk 18:50 throw for content 18:50 lol 18:50 <@luxidream> Astral splat 1h30 18:50 <{Demo}> sure that's what we'll call it 18:50 drop boh before entering astral 18:50 <@luxidream> Then come back and win 18:50 <@luxidream> That would be hype 18:50 actualyl that probably wouldn't matter that much 18:50 <{Demo}> astral splat 55 min 18:50 <{Demo}> and then come back and win in 57 18:51 <{Demo}> somehow blast luxi's record 18:51 that wont happen 18:51 <{Demo}> yeah i know 18:51 <{Demo}> we'll be lucky for sub 2h 18:51 not familiar with the latest strats 18:51 thats more realistic but i am happy with 2h30 18:51 -!- Admin__ has joined #hardfought 18:51 <{Demo}> lucky dor sub3 18:51 if i win at all 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:43446 18:52 you should turn bones on, I'll go stuff some bones levels full of hLH^H^H^Huseful items 18:52 @luxidream regarding darkest dungeon https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-spazTn-4U 18:54 <@luxidream> No bones infinigon 18:55 <@luxidream> I think I’ve already shown that speedrunning with bones isn’t interesting 18:55 all play and no bones makes luxidream a dull boy 18:55 <@luxidream> I’d hate for it to be a real category 18:56 * Umbire throws a bone at infinigon 18:56 * infinigon yips 18:56 <@luxidream> tc with bones is also a stupid category imo 18:56 @luxidream whats your realtime with stuffed bones? 18:56 <@luxidream> 11 minutes, on local 18:56 did you ever upload that 11m run 18:56 <@luxidream> It could be much faster 18:56 it sounds really dumb 18:56 What is a splat? 18:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Arc Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a warg, on T:13396 18:57 <@luxidream> Most of the time was spent messing with the inventory 18:57 <@luxidream> And waiting for quest to open up 18:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased wand of death", on T:18387 18:57 Deathsushi: another word for an unfortunate death 18:57 -!- bort13 has joined #hardfought 18:57 <@luxidream> a preventable, late game death 18:57 Deathsushi: for example 'astral splat' means that you died on the astral plane which is indeed quite unfortunate 18:57 not neccessarily lategame imo but its usually used there 18:58 like you can have an earlywow splat pre-castle 18:58 Ah got it 18:59 ... found orcus 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:18684 18:59 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:01 :o 19:02 tommo is goin for it 19:02 He probably wants that wand back 19:02 ...you do have reflection, right? 19:02 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 19:02 im sure he has taht haha 19:03 <@luxidream> He has been on asc run 19:03 <@luxidream> This whole time 19:04 -!- bort13 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:05 which whole time 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5503 points, T:3256, killed by a wounded soldier ant 19:05 iirc there is a time lim 19:05 but i been on teh chats and strats 19:05 Go team a! 19:05 and certain hours are allowed for anne marie davies asc run trime 19:06 yes umby, allowances are made for team a too 19:06 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3422 19:06 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:3422 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:19019 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:19072 19:12 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3863 19:14 :O 19:14 do it tommmmoooooo 19:14 don't splat! 19:14 they gon splat now 19:15 tinklebear: Just skimming backscroll so this might already be answered... 19:15 <@luxidream> !whereis Tommo 19:15 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Tommo [nh370]: (Val Dwa Fem Law) T:19264 The Elemental Planes level: -3 (with Amulet) 19:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed helm of opposite alignment", on T:19333 19:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:13873 19:16 I have said this before - the "Auto-select every item" menu option exists only to blow up bags of holding, and has never been used by a single player _on purpose_ in the entire history of nethack. 19:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:19351 19:17 gl tommo 19:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:19361 19:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:19386 19:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 642793 points, T:19386, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tommo/nethack/dumplog/1611394161.nh.html 19:19 gg tommo! 19:20 o the gl worked 19:20 grats tommo 19:20 The fact that inverting a menu selection would select this option is a bug. There's no way anyone could ever consider this to be intended or desired behaviour. I reported this bug to the DT some months ago, and it was fixed in 3.7 by adding a menuinvertmode option... 19:20 woooooot!!! 19:20 \o/ 19:20 grats 19:20 grats Tommo! 19:20 time? 19:20 it was not a good time :P 19:20 well 19:20 <@luxidream> gg 19:20 i had fun tho lol 19:20 sure it was c'mon 19:20 yeyt 19:20 @tangles huh? 19:20 thats what simportant lol 19:20 hehe 19:20 Nice turncount though. 19:20 @tangles oh i see 19:21 Tangles: thx ^_^ 19:21 tinklebear: Anyway... OPTIONS=menuinvertmode:1 is what you need. 19:21 haha, you annotated vlad's tower as "BDSM here lol" 19:21 didn't know vlad liked it kinky 19:22 (I think - it should be documented in the guidebook anyway) 19:22 "Vlad the Impaler wields a bullwhip!" 19:22 I still consider the fact that the default behaviour has not changed to still be a bug :P 19:22 lol why did i not tab-complete your name, force of habit talking to discord people i guess 19:23 fwiw i never wished for conflict :P 19:23 Tangles: it never occurred to me that toggling a menu selection would select 'all items' 19:23 and i use that a lot 19:23 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 636 points, T:1372, killed by a giant mosquito, while being terrified of a ghost 19:23 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:24 is that like if you press '-' on an empty menu, it would select that? 19:24 Yeah... the number of times I've tried to put all the potions in the BoH and mashed the @ next to the !... 19:24 er on a menu with nothing selected yet 19:24 oh i see 19:24 typo 19:25 Tangles: look whats going down tomorrow https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/l3nira/epic_realtime_speedrun_battle_with_live/ 19:25 i never learnt what the key for select all is, I always use @ to do that 19:26 <@luxidream> Comma I think 19:26 <@luxidream> Fairly easy to hit by accident 19:26 wiki says comma is all on this page, period is all on all pages 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:10267 19:26 <@luxidream> oh cool 19:27 <@luxidream> Never used period 19:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Anu, on T:44182 19:28 stenno: 4am? It'll all be over by the time I'm up :) 19:28 oh 19:28 tommo did not beat me 19:28 uninteresting 19:29 Tangles: oh damn right, you live at that kind of place >.< 19:30 The 'Auto-select every item' option is on the menu where you pick types of items (all, scrolls, potions, unpaid, BUCX, etc), You might only see it if you use the 'full' menustyle. 19:31 If you invert selection with @ on that page, you just picked every item with no further prompting. 19:32 Anyway... I have friends coming over for homemade wood-fired pizza tonight, and my place looks like a bomb hit it, so I probably should go and get on with some stuff. 19:32 good luck tomorrow stenno. (aoei won't need any) :P 19:33 lmao 19:33 thanks 19:33 Hi tangles 19:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Helios (Sam Clk Fem Law), 4212 points, T:2063, killed by a clockwork automaton 19:35 Tangles: lol that's true 19:35 i'm too gud :3 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "fixed greased magic marker", on T:44205 19:38 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:38 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:40 unfortunately i don't really feel confident enough to do trash talking 19:40 <{Demo}> that's why you trash talk 19:40 <{Demo}> for the irony 19:41 need to find some determination 19:41 i will do some test runs tomorrow 19:42 i should hope so 19:42 2moro is our first hype friendly 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:11748 19:48 infinigon: it was my black dragon scale mail! 19:49 there kinkiest armor there is :P 19:51 -!- Agrius has joined #hardfought 19:51 loool i mean 19:51 gotta keep it kinkh 19:51 kinky 19:51 < aoei> tommo did not beat me 19:51 < aoei> uninteresting 19:51 pfft 19:52 what was your wallclock time? 19:52 idk like a day 19:52 oh ok 19:52 and realtime? 19:52 i gotta go easy on wallclock runs, its throwing off my eating habits 19:52 but we'll get sum more in soon :) 19:52 its really intense 19:53 ummm 19:53 true it is intense 19:53 but if you want to be top 19:53 4:40:59 19:53 ok 19:53 then you have to sub-3h rt 19:53 or wc 19:53 u knw waht i mena 19:53 tommo 19:53 i belive u got tjhe pwoers 19:54 :3 19:54 * stenno hits aoei with a quantum mechanic to disentangle her spelling 19:54 my best is still like 4:14 but i swear i can cut an hour off 19:54 2look stenno 19:54 im excited u 2 r playin tmr ^_^ 19:54 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Kni Hum Fem Law), 16450 points, T:15332, killed by an air elemental 19:54 i had one or two to drink 19:55 im not gonna beat about the bush 19:55 im a lil intoxicate 19:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:15267 19:55 i like how you didn't provide any actual units of measurement with you 'one or two' 19:55 aoei: how many times have u confessed that today? :P 19:55 yeah i am just making fun, lol 19:55 but maybe its bedtime soon so we will be fit for tomorrow 19:55 haha tommo 19:56 as many as it takes 19:56 lol 19:56 luxi's hosting on his twitch right? 19:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:15722 19:57 tommo: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/l3nira/epic_realtime_speedrun_battle_with_live/ 19:57 i blieve that is the plan 19:57 ohhh ya i already opened that tab but forgot it! 19:57 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:57 r u gonna post to youtube later? :) 19:57 might be nice! 19:58 llol "might be discussion on irc" 19:58 OH THERE WILL BE DISCUSSION BEBE 19:58 <@luxidream> I can repost to yt 19:58 u BEST BELIEVE IT 19:58 also good night 19:58 i ma durnk 19:58 and shud slep 19:58 aoei: i worded it like that to encourage people more to join luxis stream 19:58 ok 19:58 i love all of you 19:58 night 19:58 <@luxidream> night 19:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first item, on T:16020 19:58 be prepared for tomorrow 19:58 u best bliev ei will ber prepare 19:59 aoei: ur drunk?! 19:59 u goindown bish 19:59 no not drunk 19:59 durnk 19:59 o 19:59 its very different 19:59 like a donut 19:59 i thought u would kno 19:59 im so teached 20:00 ... night! ^^ 20:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:32833 20:04 * tinklebear backscrolls to read Tangles's info about OPTIONS=menuinvertmode:1 20:04 Thank you, Tangles! 20:08 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Bar Dwa Fem Neu) had a long sword entrusted to her by Crom, on T:14976 20:15 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 20:15 -!- qt has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 20:17 [hdf-us] [slshm] gt (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 2124 points, T:1898, killed by something while blind 20:21 Does Mine's End ever NOT contain a luckstone? 20:22 Nope 20:22 Luckstones can be found buried in the walls in the main dungeon in fact 20:22 Mines' end always contains a luckstone unless bones 20:22 But Mines' End is a guaranteed luckstone 20:22 Unless bones, yes 20:22 Okay, that's what I thought 20:22 keep in mind though that a monster might have picked it up 20:23 ^ 20:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Dwa Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1702 20:23 And be sure to kick test 20:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54297 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:54305 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:54335 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Markswoman, on T:54371 20:27 stenno: Ah good call 20:27 I can only find one grey stone and it fails kick test 20:27 And the whole map is revealed now 20:27 I'll look for mobs 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:54445 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:54451 20:29 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:31 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 20:31 Make sure it wasn't kicked in a direction up against a wall, everything fails the kick test in that scenario 20:32 at risk of stating obvious, it looks to me like you are in the variant Mine's End that has secret doors 20:32 ^ Deathsushi 20:32 AH 20:32 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming an elf-lord, on T:3138 20:32 I've never encountered this variant before 20:33 So we're onto the brute force searching, it sounds like 20:33 Oops. 20:33 Elf-lord isn't a bad form honestly 20:33 higher strength cap for sure :^) 20:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:3145 20:34 Deathsushi, there's 3-4 secret doors and a hidden alcove you have to squeeze into 20:34 That's Mimic of the Mines 20:34 Criminy. What a pain 20:34 <@luxidream> elves: stronk 20:34 <@luxidream> player elf: weak 20:34 <@luxidream> ?? 20:34 still stronger than illithids physically 20:35 Deathsushi, it's not that much a pain, you should be able to deal with mimics 20:35 they'll helpfully still be on top of the gem pile most times 20:35 lux: Actually far better than illithids. 20:35 Hmmm 20:36 Deathsushi: there's a somewhat abstract map in this file https://raw.githubusercontent.com/nullcgt/splicehack/Master/dat/minend-1.lua 20:37 Arahael just stumbled into a solid ass wizflayer strat by complete accident 20:37 20000 IQ 20:38 Umbire: WIthout poly control, though? Foolish! 20:38 That's part of the strat 20:38 Just refined 20:38 * Umbire taps forehead 20:39 Haha. 20:39 aosdict: I did say that they seem to have changed that...? 20:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:54589 20:40 There's clearly still a bug, as qt_'s screenshot showed, but at least it no longer kills pets. 20:40 What's that about a bug? 20:40 also hi FIQ 20:40 Umbire: In the past, displacing pets into water would, without prompting, cause them to immediately drown, pissing off your god among other things 20:40 Assuming the pet can't survive in water, that is 20:41 This was an annoyance but not really a bug 20:41 However, in 3.6, they made travel automatically displace pets while moving 20:41 Combine the 2, and you could end up with travel killing pets without any way to prevent it 20:41 Oh wew 20:41 At some point, pet displacement was changed so that pets no longer allow you to displace them into water like that 20:42 But the travel quirk still exists, it just isn't as harmful as it used to be since it no longer kills pets 20:42 [hdf-us] [spl] Deathsushi (Bar Inf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7245 20:42 Instead you get an endless stream of "pet refuses to swap places with you!" 20:42 Which is clearly still buggy, even if not as harmful as it was in the past 20:42 HUZZAH 20:42 Go team sushi! 20:42 ...also what's Inf short for 20:43 Infernal 20:43 jTy, ty 20:43 Appreciate the help 20:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:16938 20:46 oic 20:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:54828 20:46 So like an actual honest to god demon 20:46 Or like demon-blooded? 20:46 Or what 20:47 @luxidream Elves might be marked as strong because they're humanoid, without consideration for side effects such as polyself mechanics 20:47 That explains it most likely 20:47 s/humanoid/human-like/ 20:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:17500 20:50 luxidream: clearly, player elves are of the not-strong kind. so woodland-,green-,or grey- 20:50 * tinklebear is not being serious 20:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3866 points, T:4103, killed by a tengu 20:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1205 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:54900 20:55 -!- Deathsus_ has joined #hardfought 20:55 -!- Deathsus_ has quit [Client Quit] 20:57 -!- Agrius has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:57 -!- Deathsus_ has joined #hardfought 20:57 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 20:58 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 20:58 -!- Deathsus_ has quit [Client Quit] 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2355 points, T:2047, killed by an uninjured hobbit 21:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:54943 21:00 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: My MacBook has gone to sleep. ZZZzzz…] 21:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:39875 21:03 -!- entrez has joined #hardfought 21:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:54972 21:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:19175 21:05 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) murdered her faithful purple worm, on T:54996 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1646 points, T:1302, killed by a slightly wounded giant mimic 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 3186824 points, T:55018, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1610990407.nh.html 21:08 -!- entrez has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:08 gg oh6! 21:09 thanks, nabru! 21:17 GG! 21:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Enchantress, on T:21669 21:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:22378 21:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1165 21:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:23660 21:39 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 21:41 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Client Quit] 21:41 WB 21:41 aw. 21:41 fkn demonbane in the MT shop 21:42 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 21:48 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 21:48 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2593 21:51 Wew 21:51 Is your pet still alive and big enough? 21:51 See if they can stea lit 21:51 steal it* 21:51 Or steal it on the way back from Mines' End 21:53 Is the Dwarven Drinking Room worth fighting through? 21:53 I got WORKED by the storm giants the first time I went through 21:53 I just bailed on it this time, but wondering if I'm missing something important 21:54 They basically looked at me and then karate'd a boulder onto my head 21:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 99 points, T:525, killed by a scroll of earth 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3267 21:57 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1961 points, T:2377, killed by a black pudding 22:01 The what on the huh? 22:01 That sounds like a Splice-ism I have no initiation with 22:01 What's the specs on your character looking like, though? 22:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nelennath (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5461 22:03 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 22:05 Depending on your character Deathsushi I might be able to brain up a strat 22:08 Umbire: Lvl 9 Infernal Barbarian 22:08 It is a SH shift 22:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Swn Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:17333 22:08 SH? 22:08 SPliceHack 22:08 Oh no, I mean I know that 22:09 But I'm talking about the drinking room 22:09 I might be able to find something on the wiki but I'd rather hear from you 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5698 22:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:29190 22:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Gnr-Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:801 22:19 This is a silly question, but how do I "undo" in the virus interface? 22:19 With VI I would typically hit 'u' 22:19 But it doesnt' work here 22:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a steel stout spear entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:16925 22:20 -!- Admin__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7293 22:23 <{Demo}> if u doesn't work, run away 22:23 <{Demo}> and assume there is no undo 22:23 <{Demo}> that's what I would do 22:23 <{Demo}> or, grab the source in the dgl repo 22:23 <{Demo}> and see 22:24 Mmm 22:24 Okay, thanks 22:24 virus is a deliberately stripped down vi 22:24 so I wouldn't be surprised if undo was just unimplemented 22:24 would recommend editing locally, and then just uploading the whole file using the web UI 22:28 How do I do that? 22:28 Like, grab the file, copy it to my localhost, edit here, and then ... upload? How do I upload a whole file? 22:29 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/rcedit/ 22:30 Beauty — thank you! 22:30 off-topic: I'm mad, I just spent 3 hours routing a PCB around a chip which I accidentally drew mirrored 22:30 You working on some hardware? 22:30 time to start again I guess 22:31 yeah, I got my hands on some hardware which I'm working on reverse engineering 22:31 Can't you just... re-mirror it? 22:31 Or am I misunderstanding? 22:31 (I am likely misunderstanding.) 22:31 yeah, but once you've done that you have to redraw all the traces that used to connect to the mirrored pins 22:31 to connect to the unmirrored pins instead 22:32 Ohhhhhhhhhh. 22:32 F 22:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2010 points, T:2186, killed by an elf zombie 22:33 Hmm. Insta-death. 22:34 Wand? 22:34 F 22:34 No 22:34 -!- Admin__ has joined #hardfought 22:35 Deathsushi: Zombie. 22:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Sorceress, on T:30631 22:38 <@FIQ> !tell Pinkbeast would inter-level travel even be useful in NetHack? given how often monsters may interrupt you 22:38 Pinkbeast shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, @FIQ. 22:38 Deathsushi: if i realise i've garbaged an rc file I'm in the middle of editing in virus, I do :q! to quit without saving 22:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 143 points, T:384, killed by a gas cloud 22:39 (but that of course loses all the non-garbaged edits too) 22:39 <@FIQ> I'm not opposed to adding it, just wondering if it's useful 22:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:9033 22:41 <@FIQ> in my mind, a simple ctrl+g, either directly or in any getpos prompt where it would make sense (such as in overview or the ctrl+f UI) 22:45 tinklebear: That's what I've been doing too 22:45 caveman methods! 22:45 *caveperson 22:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Anaraxis the Black, on T:31836 22:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] elron (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:31849 22:50 cavefolk rolls off the tongue better 22:50 cavedweller is also decent option 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6380 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:9020 22:52 really wish you could get a warning of some kind before putting on one of those 22:52 yes I'm still ass mad about the noncursed +1 helm I picked up 22:53 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Cha), 6872 points, T:9184, petrified by a wounded chickatrice 23:00 If I update my nhrc file (and save it through hardfought), saving out of my game and then starting the game again should be sufficient, correct? 23:01 Okay, I can confirm that is the case 23:11 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) had a magical conical hat entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:1245 23:11 up yours thoth! 23:15 It was a dunce hat wasn't it. 23:16 yup 23:16 :) 23:16 but I polymorphed into an arch-lich and it disappeared (along with my +1 staff)... 23:17 not sure why 23:17 Probably because you're a chaotic undead creature now? 23:17 ...that's legit my guess I have no idea 23:17 it was my starting staff 23:18 why would alignment have anything to do with it. 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 576 points, T:2164, killed by a hobbit 23:19 we may never know... 23:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a fire elemental, on T:9115 23:20 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 70 points, T:272, killed by a system shock 23:22 [hdf-us] [dyn] Thyna (ezion) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 31179 points, T:7668, quit 23:26 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 23:29 bouquet: Indeed 23:29 Hmm 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:47623 23:29 * Umbire goes to shower and think it over 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a little dog, on T:14061 23:30 Alright, one hour of fiddling later, I think I've just about got these curses colours set 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:14169 23:32 Hooray 23:32 WOW 23:32 Tommo with the dog strats let's fucking go 23:33 >:] 23:33 (but for real I should AFK a bit) 23:38 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 23:39 !who 23:39 K2: [hdf-us] guest99987 [slshm] eraserhead97 [evil] tinklebear [evil] bouquet [evil] Tommo [nh370] Thidwick [nh370] Deathsushi [spl] Som [dnh] malor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] Glord [nh370] | [hdf-au] Arahael [evil] 23:40 Why as a Barbarian would I suddenly feel weak and lose strength? 23:41 <{Demo}> you abused your strength 23:41 <{Demo}> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Exercise 23:41 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:42 How do I do that? 23:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Swn Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:24499 23:42 Checking the guide 23:42 <{Demo}> read the wiki page I sent, and the page it suggests you read listing all forms of abuse 23:43 Huh, odd. I saw this message: "There are several objects here. You feel weak! 23:43 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1054 points, T:1871, zombified by an elf zombie 23:44 and then "You haven't been exercising properly" 23:44 <{Demo}> you abused your strength. that was the turn that exercise procd 23:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:19054 23:45 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 908527 points, T:70701, petrified by losing gloves while wielding a cockatrice corpse 23:45 * tinklebear shakes head 23:46 <{Demo}> aha! 23:46 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1860 points, T:2986, killed by a bolt of cold 23:46 <{Demo}> so 3.6 fixes this! 23:46 D: 23:46 Fixes? 23:46 Tinklebear... 23:46 <{Demo}> pretty sure if you lose gloves while wielding a C corpse in 343, nothing bad happens 23:46 <{Demo}> c corpse* 23:47 <{Demo}> or, maybe dnh just broke something 23:47 rip tinklebear 23:47 <{Demo}> or wait, no, carrying, not wielding 23:47 <{Demo}> different can of worms, nvm 23:47 don't play with food, kids. cockatrices are for eating. 23:48 c corpses are the deadliest weapons and also the "deadliest" weapons. 23:48 That's a garbage way to die, I'm probably sounding reactive but I'd at least make it a delayed stoning 23:48 Yah, that's pretty rough 23:48 <{Demo}> yeah 23:48 I've never had the guts to wield a c corpse 23:48 ^ smart smart smart 23:48 <{Demo}> well, there's two ways to think about it 23:49 It sucks, but I think being hit with or purposefully touching should be instadeath. 23:49 <{Demo}> would you rather be a perpetrator of c corpse violence, or a victim? 23:49 most of the time I end up being the perpetrator and the victim 23:49 I was next to vast pools of lava. could have easily disposed of it safely 23:49 <{Demo}> haha oh well 23:49 instead I thought "hey, why not make a few statues" 23:50 kind of wish there was a way to wield green slime. 23:50 <{Demo}> that would be so op 23:50 <{Demo}> especially in variants 23:50 <{Demo}> so many variants don't remember to check antislime on their uberbosses 23:50 but if you turn all your enemies to green slimes you're going to be surrounded by even more green slime! 23:51 EPI: monsters can wield green slime corpses to slime players 23:51 <{Demo}> i think it might use monster mr? 23:52 <{Demo}> nevermind this sucks 23:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 12691 points, T:6739, killed by a tengu 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:48172 23:54 <@luxidream> it doesn't check mr 23:54 <@luxidream> you can slime rodney 23:54 <{Demo}> was looking at a variant 23:54 tinklebear: What destroyed your gloves? 23:55 <{Demo}> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/uhitm.c#L2983 what's magic_negation if it isn't checking monster mr? 23:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2794 points, T:3006, quit 23:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 66 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:48254 23:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "marker", on T:15221 23:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "fixed greased magic marker", on T:48320 23:59 Deathsushi: a succubus offered to remove them for me, and I consented!