00:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 43679 points, T:11408, killed by a xorn 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] winny (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2941 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] winny (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3059 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6628 00:17 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:67360 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] winny (Sam Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:3142 00:27 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 46869 points, T:9802, killed by a mastodon 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:21976 00:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 503 points, T:698, killed by a gnome king, while praying 00:30 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:32 YASI: You can cook comestibles by dipping them in a lit potion of oil - this may occasionally "fry" the food, which renders your hands slippery upon consuming it. 00:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 4105 points, T:2388, killed by a soldier ant 00:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 114 points, T:603, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse 00:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:24381 00:56 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Cthulhu, on T:67961 01:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 20662 points, T:4775, killed by a hunting horror 01:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Inc Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:7171 01:06 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Cthulhu, on T:68028 01:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 2965 points, T:1566, killed by a flint stone 01:09 F 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:27216 01:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1259 01:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Inc Mal Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:7759 01:20 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 01:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 small gold khakkhara", on T:1414 01:26 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:68345 01:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Ran Inc Mal Cha) was given Hellfire, on T:8861 01:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 cloak of the unheld one", on T:2013 01:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Curate, on T:30685 01:36 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "doot doodle a doot do"] 01:40 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:41 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 01:42 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:68760 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:32328 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32330 01:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:04 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:08 -!- Umbire is now known as x64 02:09 -!- x64 is now known as Umbire 02:14 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:70110 02:14 -!- LeafGecko has joined #hardfought 02:16 o/ 02:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:28 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:31 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:31 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 02:37 -!- LeafGecko has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 02:37 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:70518 02:39 -!- LeafGecko has joined #hardfought 02:41 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:70575 02:46 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:70612 02:47 -!- LeafGecko has quit [Quit: sunt lacrimae rerum.] 02:49 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Death, on T:70646 02:50 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 02:52 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:70673 02:54 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:57 * Umbire prays 02:58 Hark, mortal! To enter the castle, thou must play the right tune! 03:00 [hdf-us] [un] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1062643 points, T:70729, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Alex/unnethack/dumplog/1610669835.un.txt.html 03:00 GG! 03:00 :D 03:00 I helped! 03:06 Woo. Automatic logins to nethack :D Now I don't need to manually log in every time! 03:06 GJ 03:06 pass me that when you can 03:09 Umbire: https://serverfault.com/a/971097 and https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dgamelaunch#Unix.2FLinux_with_telnet 03:10 Umbire: But using 'SetEnv' works and is clearer, so see the respective answer in serverfault for the syntax for that. :) 03:10 Gotcha 03:10 On that note, I bid ye good night! 03:10 Sleep well! 03:13 congrats on un ascesnsion 03:13 sup kids 03:18 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:13530 03:42 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 03:46 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:52 [hdf-us] [slex] quark (Sof Zru Fem Law), 2009 points, T:138, killed by a monster (hidden kobold) 03:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Oona, on T:14308 04:11 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 8436 points, T:4488, killed by an ettin mummy 04:13 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 04:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:15 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] repeat (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 1265 points, T:4920, killed by a boiling potion 04:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:23 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 04:27 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:28 -!- ais523 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) was given Tensa Zangetsu, on T:15615 04:31 A trapdoor *inside* a temple? 04:32 Sadly, right infront of the freaking door. 04:42 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2540 points, T:2986, killed by a dwarf 04:45 wait for watch to get distracted, kick it down and move diagonally? 04:45 (alternately, ?o`) 04:48 moon-child: are you by any chance elron on hardfought? 04:48 nope 04:48 oh right, I found the sickest slashem bones of all time from them a few months ago and was wondering 04:49 I did get confused for him a lot tho back when I was going by Elronnd 04:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 891 points, T:846, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while praying 04:49 haha yeah that's why I thought it could have been you 04:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:11131 04:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:16823 04:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:16827 04:52 [hdf-au] [slshm] PeachMuffin (Nec Hum Mal Cha), 69 points, T:77, killed by a falling rock 04:53 -!- amateurh1ur has joined #hardfought 04:54 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:17373 05:00 -!- amateurh1ur is now known as amateurhour 05:01 -!- Admin__ has joined #hardfought 05:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Chromatic Dragon, on T:18828 05:29 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 05:33 yay found 2 lamps i called different things 05:33 nice 05:34 Very nice. 05:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 115875 points, T:11934, killed by a wounded Olog-hai 05:34 I'm playing as a heavily cancelled illithid wizard. : 05:34 :( 05:34 Thinking of quitting, actually, as it's no fun. 05:35 what to wish for 05:35 i haven't playd nethack in a long time 05:35 In vanilla? 05:35 lawful giant monk 05:35 evil 05:36 Ah, evil. Hmm. 05:36 Got reflection and MR? 05:36 i gottta find an altar and get a djini i'm getting ahead of myself 05:37 Perhaps also do soko first, get teh ", and hope it's the "oMR. If it's not MR, wish for it? 05:37 If it is MR, wish for dragonbane. :) 05:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) became the Envoy of Balance, on T:19600 05:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:19863 05:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +5 dragonhide boots of flying", on T:20168 06:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:20804 06:13 <@malor> Go microlance go! 06:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:22632 06:22 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 8490 points, T:3232, killed by a soldier ant 06:23 -!- krm26_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 tiny bone pick axe", on T:22770 06:25 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Con Hum Mal Cha), 83 points, T:624, killed by a fox 06:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:9017 06:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered Lady Gaga, her faithful golden naga, on T:9195 06:57 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [*.net *.split] 06:57 -!- rld has quit [*.net *.split] 06:58 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 06:58 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 06:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by card.freenode.net 07:01 -!- Admin__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:02 -!- Admin__ has joined #hardfought 07:15 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:21170 07:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:55678 07:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:55680 07:54 -!- Admin__ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed ring of slow digestion", on T:29903 08:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +5 tiny unicorn horn", on T:29917 08:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 fixed blessed scrolls of charging", on T:29921 08:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:30177 08:19 [hdf-us] [un] RossinK (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2337 points, T:2655, zapped himself with a spell 08:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Mother Hydra, on T:30194 08:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:45 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Mal Neu) had an elven helm entrusted to him by Mog, on T:24714 09:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) averted death, on T:31051 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Student of Waters, on T:29917 09:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Ran Inc Fem Cha) killed Glasya, on T:42259 09:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:30322 09:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 Frost Brand", on T:61186 09:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] DarkLightDragon (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 851 points, T:1662, killed by a rabid rat 09:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:33014 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased can of grease", on T:61227 09:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33169 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:61389 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1933 09:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:33877 09:57 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 10:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:34138 10:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:34149 10:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Ran Inc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:43555 10:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:34254 10:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:34307 10:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed Garland, on T:34349 10:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Ran Inc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:43612 10:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:34603 10:10 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 10:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Ran Inc Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:43885 10:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:35041 10:19 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 12419 points, T:7778, killed by a soldier ant 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4478 10:32 [hdf-us] [un] RossinK (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 391 points, T:957, killed by a cave spider, while fainted from lack of food 10:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:63183 10:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Ran Inc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:45007 10:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) averted death, on T:35846 10:41 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 10:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) averted death, on T:35869 10:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 1655170 points, T:35947, killed by Hmnyw-Pharaoh 10:44 <@riker> how in the world did he make it into the planes 10:44 <@riker> oh, no, that's demo in the planes not you 10:45 does C do pass by ref 10:45 <@riker> !lastgame microlance 10:45 @riker: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1611036442.dnh.txt 10:45 <@riker> yes you can spicy 10:46 woo 10:46 <@riker> what're you trying to do? i'm curious 10:47 still learning c++, just tryna keep track of how applicable this stuff will be to C 10:47 C doesn't have concept of pass by ref, you typically pass in a pointer 10:47 seems like the only hugely gross difference is the whole strcpy strcat \0 thing 10:47 <@riker> yeah that works fine though amateurhour 10:47 it seems to me like pass by ref is basically the same as pass by pointer 10:47 qt: Message from aosdict at 2021-01-18 21:03 EST: https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack/pull/26 10:48 it's all syntactic sugar for 1s and 0s 10:48 <@riker> maybe my c code is awful practice but ive basically just passed by pointer and never had an issue 10:48 <@riker> lol 10:51 I guess there is some internal difference between pass by pointer and pass by reference that makes c not "really" use pass by reference 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 9366 points, T:5496, killed by an uninjured giant spider, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:51 but for all intensive porpoises it seems like it's the same lol 10:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Ran Inc Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:45206 10:53 it'll be some subtle difference that you need a hire a language lawyer to determine no doubt 10:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Ran Inc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:45234 10:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 60 points, T:86, killed by a fox 10:57 [hdf-us] [un] RossinK (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1444 points, T:2484, killed by a gnome 10:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 64 points, T:199, killed by an arrow trap 10:58 you're close enough if you say that C doesn't have true pass by reference and it gets simulated by pass by pointer 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of reflection, on T:17866 10:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Ran Inc Fem Cha), 6066860 points, T:45258, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Demo2/dnethack/dumplog/1610475494.dnh.txt 10:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 172 points, T:411, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 11:00 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:01 the main difference is that you wouldn't see if you pass by reference or value when calling the method. if you pass by reference or value is declared in the parameter list of the method. 11:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 2052 points, T:1117, killed by a dwarf, while praying 11:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:05 it seems like that could make debugging more confusing/tedious, if you can't know looking at a function call alone whether it will modify the variable 11:06 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 11:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Brd Elf Fem Cha), 967 points, T:1297, killed by a gnome 11:12 it's actually the other way around. looking at a function, you already know from the argument what it will do. 11:12 procedure foo(var a: Integer, b: Integer); 11:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18437 11:14 you already know that a is supposed to be modified in place. in C, you only know that if a variable is dereferenced. but if the variable is already a pointer, you don't know that for sure 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 11579 points, T:7802, petrified by touching a cockatrice corpse bare-handed 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) destroyed zantyr's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:7865 11:20 Yeah I can see how that'd be useful 11:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:1869 11:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3963 11:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 9464 points, T:4257, killed by a soldier ant 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) had a platinum spellbook given to her by Thoth, on T:19055 11:30 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 270 points, T:505, killed by a jackal 11:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2672 11:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2158 11:39 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 351 points, T:1930, killed by a tower of flame 11:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed ring of slow digestion", on T:2900 11:40 <{Demo}> fuck, blessed BAD 11:41 bhaak: nethack could stand to use const more often when passing things around 11:42 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:43 e.g. struct obj *const and struct monst *const pointers 11:43 heh heh const monst 11:45 a more modern C style would be nice... 11:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 3557 points, T:2158, quit 11:46 wouldn't it be const struct obj *ptr to avoid confusion about whether it will modify the value or not? I thought struct obj *const ptr would mean that the address can't change, but the value can 11:47 maybe I had it backwards 11:48 idk for certain either 11:48 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 11:48 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:48 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 11:49 That's right, just think of "const char *foo" - that means you can't change what foo points to but foo itself can be re-pointed 11:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) was given Atlantean Royal Sword, on T:4740 11:57 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:19438 12:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) was given Cleaver, on T:2025 12:08 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:19785 12:15 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:20 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 248 points, T:1180, killed by a small mimic 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:30217 12:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1279 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Val Dwa Fem Law), 872 points, T:1377, killed by a watch captain 12:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5680 12:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:37 <@malor> 2 microlances? 12:37 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2457 points, T:4855, killed by a rothe 12:43 <{Demo}> my favorite part of bothack is when it throws rocks at monsters blocking soko boulder paths 12:44 <{Demo}> and when it goes away to get more stuff to throw at it 12:44 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:47 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 12:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9561 12:50 <{Demo}> wow this soko had two bags of holding! 12:50 :o 12:50 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 12:50 <{Demo}> one random from some drop from a zoo guy, one regular 12:50 nice 12:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 46457 points, T:9343, killed by a winter wolf cub 12:55 put em in each other :3 12:55 no tommo! 12:55 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:55 ;-; 12:56 <{Demo}> hmm considering wearing an elven cloak over a copr for now 12:57 the other day, i found a +4 bronze plate mail 12:58 probly died burdened :P 12:58 i had like -10AC in dl4 tho 13:01 <{Demo}> did my earliest non ana vlad's tower aols raid this game 13:02 nice 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 48064 points, T:27541, killed by an uninjured lieutenant 13:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:11346 13:06 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3140 13:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 22 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31262 13:09 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:10806 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8162 13:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a wounded doppelganger imitating a displacer beast), on T:10876 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 38869 points, T:10885, killed by an uninjured killer bee 13:15 go team a! 13:15 !lastgame 13:15 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1611017438.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1611074778.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DarkLightDragon/nethack/dumplog/1608651713.nh.html 13:17 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3988 13:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:12004 13:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 9579 points, T:6104, killed by an ape 13:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:79890 13:26 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed karibou the elf zombie, and former Rogue, on T:31259 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:31366 13:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Vam Fem Cha), 2370 points, T:1510, killed by a rothe 13:33 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 13:33 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:32388 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:31642 13:34 -!- infinigon has joined #hardfought 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:10738 13:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 1928 points, T:3017, killed by an enormous rat, while fainted from lack of food 13:42 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 13:43 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:43 if boh only held 52 items, multiple boh would be less of a letdown, and the inventory letters for the contents could be kept consistent 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:32035 13:45 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Sokoban zoo, on T:5537 13:46 <{Demo}> !pom 13:46 {Demo}: The moon is waxing crescent; full moon in 9 days. 13:46 <{Demo}> 9 days!!??? 13:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) genocided arch-liches, on T:63855 13:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 1491 points, T:4092, killed by a straw golem 13:51 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1618 points, T:3860, killed by an Uruk-hai 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1879 13:53 do horns fix lost attributes in 3.7? 13:54 no 13:54 heck 13:54 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 13:54 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1328 13:54 Orctown. meh 13:54 spicycebolla: at the expense of a crap ton of annoyance 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 559 points, T:1358, killed by an uninjured giant spider 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered Rex, her faithful Kop Lieutenant, on T:158 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:9110 13:57 a whole crap ton? feels like it takes awhile of playing before needing 104 inventory slots 13:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:57 aosdict: Re: const. not sure if sarcastic or not o_O 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:32548 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:32550 14:00 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 16 points, T:29, done in by a sewer rat, while praying 14:00 <@luxidream> Not all of the 52 slots are useful because you need to stash fragile items 14:01 i would be annoyed if my BoH also had inventory letter limits 14:01 very annoyed 14:01 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:01 do not annoy happy fun aoei 14:02 hi aoei *schmusebüschlie* ♥! 14:02 aoei: It's fine, you can get around them by putting sacks in your bag :-) 14:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1109 14:02 jonadab: oh what joy 14:03 let me refer you to the wise hothraxxa 14:03 do not annoy happy fun aoei 14:03 also hay Amy 14:03 EPI: all inventory letters must be lowercase. 14:03 <@luxidream> Or be like ais523 and don’t use containers for some reason 14:03 jonadab: that's pretty cruel 14:03 jonadab: do you know Angband? the player only has 24 inventory slots there 14:03 the horror 14:03 LarienTelrunya: It's about that in Brogue as well. 14:04 And there are no containers. 14:04 and Angband has no containers and the player home in town has a limit of about 50 items or so 14:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1701 14:04 it's teh uber-sux :P 14:04 <@luxidream> That’s some bs 14:04 new monster that can permanently remove a letter from your inventory capacity as its special attack 14:04 <@luxidream> My animal crossing house can hold thousands of items 14:04 I think the intention is that if you pick up an item and don't know what it is, you _sell_ it the next time you're in town, and then it's identified. 14:04 (In Angband.) 14:05 heh i should play Sil-Q again 14:05 it could be called the alphabet soup slurper 14:05 that said, in elona you also have limitations, you have 200 inventory slots and the 4D pocket has a limit of 200 too... but Elona lets you erect an unlimited amount of storage houses where you can store your items :P 14:05 that game was rad 14:05 So you only need inventory slots for stuff you know what it is, plus a handful of "just found this" items. 14:05 hey luxidream ValkGDQ strim when? 14:05 some games don't require much inventory 14:05 just sayin 14:05 hothraxxa: that is a true say 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 962 points, T:1383, killed by a wounded Woodland-elf 14:06 that you are saying 14:06 -!- Merlek has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:06 <@luxidream> Soon 14:06 <@luxidream> I’m eating lunch 14:06 soon like today soon? =D 14:06 real hardcore streamers stream their lunch 14:06 maybe i should go for my walk now while there is time 14:06 just sayin 14:07 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 14:07 lol hothraxxa 14:07 ur silly 14:07 (just sayin) 14:07 yeah just slap it in the Just Chatting section while eating 14:07 <@luxidream> Not mukbang channel 14:07 <@luxidream> Sorry 14:07 okay okay not mukbang 14:07 but how about... 14:07 food asmr 14:07 lol! 14:07 Sluuuuuurp. 14:08 Burrrrrrp! 14:08 * jonadab makes loud chewing noises. 14:08 lol u guys are terrible 14:09 Why thank you. 14:09 <{Demo}> Splat! 14:09 oh i've done that already 14:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] SkydiveMike (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3646 points, T:3236, killed by a heavily wounded Uruk-hai 14:09 rip nabru 14:10 klunk! you hear a ripping sound 14:10 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:6485 14:10 these are all good catchy stream titles. 14:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Rover, on T:58836 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3373 14:11 so, I guess I should finally learn how to do sokoban 2a myself 14:11 instead of resorting to following the steps on the wiki one keystroke at a time 14:12 it's not hard 14:12 it's pretty much not hard 14:12 it's not hard at all 14:12 if luxi can do it in 2 minutes anybody can do it 14:12 i just googled mukbang and this is really gross 14:12 in more than 2 minutes 14:12 spicycebolla: what is it? 14:12 dare i google? 14:13 people eating tons of food loudly 14:13 don't you will be sorry 14:13 okay 14:13 i won't 14:13 spicycebolla: im sorry you had to experience that 14:13 seems to involve people eating extremely greasy food while singing to it 14:13 but im grateful for the warning 14:13 so thank you 14:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 3589 points, T:3137, killed by a yeti, while praying 14:13 somebody got me to check it out a while back. i was not pleased 14:14 I miss the OLD mukbang, my niche Pokemon slashfic group 14:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2107 14:14 seems rather grotesque. seems like the point of it is the grotesque 14:14 qt you wrote pokémon slashfic? XD 14:14 linky 👀 14:14 my friend posted a vid of moss they found in the woods. but as you know moss doesn't do much 14:15 so they put the camera super close and fluffed the moss. it seemed like really weird asmr 14:15 lol just kidding aoei 14:15 aw 14:15 :c 14:15 but i guess asmr is supposed to be kinda unsettling normaly so *shrug* 14:15 mission accomplished either way 14:15 yeah asmr is weird 14:15 idgi 14:15 <@luxidream> wasn't there a time when mukbang was just socializing over food, instead of eating unhealthy amounts of it 14:16 qt: what was that pethack thing you posted yesterday? 14:16 thought asmr is supposed to be soothing, am i wrong? 14:16 tinklebear: https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/issues/448#issuecomment-763019840 14:16 hothraxxa: originally it was meant to prompt this weird tingling sensation that some people experience 14:16 hothraxxa: yea its *supposed* to be 14:16 but many people find it disturbing anyway 14:17 ty for link, qt 14:17 asmr never worked for me, I find it disturbing, too 14:17 it totally worked for me, I have felt the tingling thing from people whispering to me ever since I was a kid 14:17 i do get tingles from stuff ikle that 14:17 not the stuff with people eating or whatever, just whispering and close talking 14:17 so maybe it'd work on me 14:17 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:806 14:17 i still find it weird tho 14:18 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 1612 points, T:818, killed by a small dagger 14:18 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2629 14:19 yeah idk what it is all about now, I get the sense they are not really the same thing any more now that it's such a phenomenon 14:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1446 points, T:2964, killed by a nearly deceased giant bat 14:21 my friend's kid does ghost asmr, its kinda cute 14:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:841 14:22 he pretends he's haunting u, but kinda buddy buddy 14:22 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 178646 points, T:33448, killed by a yellow dragon, while paralyzed by a monster 14:22 lol that does sound cute 14:22 but also very spooky 14:22 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:730 14:22 hehe 14:22 cutey but spoopy 14:22 ye 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:64724 14:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:64724 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] ToneRobin (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4713 14:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) was given Premium Heart, on T:15803 14:25 <{Demo}> damnnnnnn 14:25 :o 14:26 what's a Premium Heart? 14:26 rl good guy 14:26 nah, its like, good 4 fist bumping 14:26 * aoei fistbumps tommo 14:26 <@luxidream> lets you listen to music ad-free, with unlimited skips 14:26 lol fuck 14:27 luxidream: woah :O 14:27 like spotify premium!! 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] ToneRobin (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "Blessed fixed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5227 14:28 aoei: how do u verb 14:28 * likes this * 14:28 :\ 14:28 @luxidream: I play low-container to make the game more interesting, I don't claim it's a good strategy 14:28 [bhaakscroll] I'm not being sarcastic about nethack using const to enforce functions not modifying whatever struct they're passed in, if that function doesn't need to 14:28 I just find it more enjoyable that way 14:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 3371 points, T:2582, killed by a duton 14:28 <{Demo}> unlocks martial arts 14:28 tommo: /me does something 14:29 * qt does something 14:29 (also, it hurts you win chances less than most people think it would) 14:29 * tommo re:fistbumps aoei 14:29 ooo 14:29 :> 14:30 <@luxidream> haha, it's just that you're probably the only one who likes playing that way 14:30 ais523: depends on playstyle. if you run around gehennom with an inventory full of scrolls you *will* lose them all and cry about it 14:30 oh, I don't do that 14:30 if I'm playing without a container I just don't carry scrolls at all 14:31 so you map gehennom by hand=? 14:31 jeez 14:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2382 14:31 oh, I've always mapped Gehennom by hand 14:31 figures 14:31 it took me a moment to remember that some people did things differently 14:31 like i said, depends on playstyle :P 14:31 ais523: i was almost convinced this sounded fun, until now haha 14:31 <@luxidream> I'm more worried about running out of death charges 14:31 actually, more recently I've been mapping it with clairvoyance purchased from the Valley priest 14:31 <@luxidream> if you have no scrolls 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5013 14:31 ais523: that's a good strat 14:32 i picked that one up from luxi 14:32 generally you should not take any aspect of ais523's playstyle as approximating the average player 14:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Law), 1502 points, T:2452, killed by a dagger 14:32 aosdict: lol no doubt 14:32 dw i knew that 14:32 in 3.4.3 there's a bug that lets you make clairvoyance kick in twice as often 14:32 I'm not sure if it's been fixed for 3.7 14:32 i thought in 343 you could havge clairvoyance on demand 14:32 but you don't really need it anyway 14:32 by just hitting walls until it triggers 14:33 it only works on turns divisible by 15, IIRC 14:33 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4505 14:33 ahhh 14:33 and the average rate is about once every 30 turns 14:33 i see 14:33 but yes, just walk into a wall until it triggers 14:33 i think that's fixed but idk for sure 14:34 <{Demo}> that is a cool bug 14:35 ok i will go for my night walk 14:35 but i will hurry back when i see the twitch notification 14:36 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 14:36 fwiw, I don't normally find enough scrolls in a particular game to be able to scroll-map Gehennom 14:37 magic markers aren't very useful in my playstyle due to lacking paper, I go through the early game too quickly 14:37 bye aoei, enjoy ur walk :3 14:37 *cough*polypile*cough* 14:37 I don't normally find enough scrolls 14:38 this is something that polypiling doesn't help with at all, unless you somehow manage to make a profit on paper golems 14:38 not sure why you wouldn't find enough. i do all the time 14:38 how long is your average game? in turns? 14:38 i gather scrolls, blank and bless, polypile. mm is common 14:38 i play low tc games often and can usually find enough scrolls to map most of gehennom 14:38 oh, depends on the variant 14:38 ais523: are you ascending your valks sub-10k? 14:39 aoei: normally around 18k but much of that is resting for HP 14:39 i've ascneded valks sub-15k without scroll problems 14:39 you need to improve your game 14:39 ok cyas <3 14:39 enjoy your walk 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] ToneRobin (Val Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6568 14:40 ^^; 14:40 sounds like its the bag thing, anyway 14:40 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) completed Lokoban, on T:2982 14:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 2421 points, T:3047, killed by a dingo 14:40 it'd be a fun stipulation, if it weren't for gehennom mazes 14:41 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:5769 14:41 * tinklebear likes the mazes 14:42 i figure, inventory management is a fun challenge, n scanning thru my bag hoard periodically is not 14:42 oh yeah tinklebear? I bet u like flipped sokoban too huh!? 14:42 <@luxidream> walking around through mazes is not a fun challenge 😦 14:42 amateurhour: I DO! 14:42 hahaha 14:42 <@luxidream> I'm neutral about flipped soko 14:42 flipped soko IS fun tho 14:42 boooooo 14:42 hissssss 14:42 lol 14:43 i was so excited the first time i saw it, cuz i thought it was a brand new puzzle 14:43 ha 14:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 652 points, T:2381, killed by an uninjured newt, while fainted from lack of food 14:43 luxidream: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JY6RyRkl9uo 14:43 a brand new puzzle would be cool tommo 14:43 that's what I'd prefer 14:43 sum variants have it :) 14:44 yeah, I've done all the ones in slex now 14:44 i like the fancy ones where there's like, boulders on top of each other 14:44 <@luxidream> jonadab your website is down again 14:44 that's probs my least favourite one lol 14:44 it would b cool to have multifloor puzzles 14:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible spleen's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:14644 14:45 yeah that'd be neato 14:45 like the sliding ice mazes in pokemon 14:45 say, u use all available boulders on lv1 to get up to lv2, but on lv1 there's a bonus path to a chest, that requires additional boulders 14:46 n lv2 has the extras, n u gotta knock em down the stairs 14:46 sounds cool 14:46 most levels do have extras even by default 14:47 <@luxidream> I don't like the new un levels 14:47 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 rustproof gauntlets of power", on T:6347 14:47 <@luxidream> most of them don't have extras 14:47 its true, they're punishing 14:48 its kinda nice finding "new" ways to solve old levels too, mostly only happens w xtra boulders 14:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 1781 points, T:1670, poisoned by a rotted brown pudding corpse 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] ToneRobin (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:7161 14:48 I hate the one in slex that has 12 boulders in a single stack, I always find a way to mess it up 14:48 does anyone actually solve the bag of holding soko level the intended way (without trapping boulders)? 14:49 I don't trap boulders on that 14:49 it's so much more tedious than just trapping a couple of boulders intentionally, it takes so much longer 14:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:17284 14:49 <@luxidream> I used to but the way that sticks two boulders is faster 14:49 I find trapping boulders there safer, I often mess up when I'm trying to do it without trapping 14:49 <@luxidream> I also lose one boulder on 2a, this saves a lot of time setting up another loop 14:50 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 17964 points, T:4342, killed by an invisible quinon, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:50 actually that's an interesting point, I have no idea what the *fastest* solution to 2a is 14:50 I find I'm more likely to mess it up if the level is flipped 14:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 windrider", on T:789 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 260296 points, T:34607, killed by a touch of death 14:52 i dont rly get wats so special about 2a 14:52 but i acknowledge that i must be missing sumn 14:52 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 14:53 it's considerably harder than any other level on floors 1, 2, or 3 14:53 not that hard in an absolute sense, but most of the others are trivial 14:53 i never had that experience 14:53 (there's one floor 3 layout that gives me a little trouble, I forget what code it has) 14:53 ya, i always thought the 3rd floor messy one (u know, not in rows?) was hardest 14:53 <@luxidream> 2a is the most time consuming if you choose not to waste any boulders 14:54 okay 14:54 do u mean, no boulders stuck? or no cheating? 14:54 ive never tried the former 14:54 <@luxidream> no boulders stuck 14:54 okay 14:54 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:55 fwiw I think it would be interesting if the cheating protections on Sokoban were weaker 14:55 seems like running w/o a bag 14:55 <@luxidream> wonder if any shortcuts involving cheating are significantly faster 14:55 in my current game, idk how exactly, but my luck must be so bad 14:56 I would go down to "teleport region around the goal room, undiggable walls", add a restriction that you can't pickaxe while levitating (that seems like an awkward thing to do anyway…), and place a pit outside the goal door with a boulder one square before it 14:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3314 14:56 oh, and assuming we keep the current puzzles, continue to ban diagonal moves 14:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1528 points, T:3348, killed by a wounded housecat 14:56 <@luxidream> sorry, what does digging while levitating do 14:57 this seems to block most of the exploits that are easy to pull off in the early game, whilst meaning that you don't need a Sokoban guilt mechanic at all, and without breaking the general conventions set up by the rest of the game 14:57 it's to stop you levitating over the holes towards the exit and pickaxing the boulder intended to stop you doing that 14:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu) was given the Rod of the Ram, on T:1432 14:57 you could still force bolt it or whatever, but at that point you probably deserve your victory 14:57 <@luxidream> oh, the holes don't suck you in anymore 14:57 right 14:58 <@luxidream> I don't think levitation is too uncommon 14:58 <@luxidream> or striking 14:58 I also had the idea of putting a couple of extra holes beyond the goal, which could be filled in with the extra boulders 14:58 also tele imo 14:58 <@luxidream> I wouldn't be against making the walls phaseable though 14:58 and a potion or two as a reward for filling them 14:59 that way, if you force bolt the boulder, you break the potions 14:59 tommo: NetHack has "teleport regions", you can't teleport from inside one to outside one or vice versa without teleport control 14:59 u tele the boulders to fix blundrs 14:59 intended to prevent random teleports sequence breaking part of the game 14:59 <@luxidream> ais523: are the demon lord lairs teleport regions? 14:59 you can do that in vanilla too, it's the one form of cheating that doesn't have a penalty 15:00 ya... 15:00 @luxidream: I'm not sure, last time I checked was 3.4.3 and you couldn't teleport at all in them then 15:00 it wouldn't surprise me though 15:00 <@luxidream> 3.7 allows teleport after you've killed them 15:00 <@luxidream> in my speedrun, I tried teleporting from the inside of a demon lair to the outside, and I would get a random teleport each time 15:00 <@luxidream> regardless of what square I chose 15:01 this is from baalz.lua: des.teleport_region({region = {01,00,15,20}, region_islev=1, exclude = {15,1,70,16}, exclude_islev=1 }) 15:01 so looks like there is a teleport region set 15:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger on an altar, on T:3786 15:02 even with teleport control you can't teleport between regions I think 15:03 ah right, wasn't sure about that, but it matches my memories of 3.4.3 15:03 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 15:03 that would explain why Luxidream has a tendency to get stuck in the lairs 15:03 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:03 <@luxidream> I wonder if leaving the teleport region in place was intended or not 15:03 although, the coordinates for teleport regions are unintuitive and it's far from rare for the devteam to accidentally put them in the wrong place 15:03 [hdf-us] [4k] Owen (owen) (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:7675 15:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered Katje, her faithful kitten, on T:491 15:04 in 3.4.3, there are teleport regions around the fake wizard's towers but they are not symmetrical, they're larger on some sides than others; that probably hasn't changed for 3.7 15:04 <@luxidream> after the demon lord has left, teleportation isn't very useful if it doesn't work from inside the lair to the outside 15:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 343 points, T:503, killed by an uninjured water moccasin, while praying 15:05 this might be the sort of thing worth sending an email to the devteam about, most of us don't know whether it's intentional, but at least one of us should 15:05 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 15:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3567 15:09 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8896 15:10 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2942 points, T:1958, killed by a wounded small mimic 15:24 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 15:26 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 18544 points, T:10659, dissolved in molten lava, while moving through the air 15:27 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 15:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:19894 15:33 isn't it a little misleading that the encyclopedia entry for cockatrice says it will "perish instantly" if it sees its own reflection 15:36 it's much more misleading that the encyclopedia mentions "weasels" (which don't exist in vanilla) supposedly being capable of defeating a cockatrice 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:33741 15:38 well, since weasels don't exist in vanilla, at least it won't mislead you into relying on a useless strategy of summoning 10 weasels or something 15:38 but mirrors do exist in game and don't do anything special to a cockatrice 15:41 I guess it also says cockatrices have a deadly gaze -- I guess we are expected to recognize that it's reporting some irl myths which may or may not apply literally to the game 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 478 points, T:2279, killed by a land mine 15:45 yeah, and why do we turn to stone only if the cockatrice hisses or we punch it bare-handed but not if it bites us (and thereby very definitely comes in contact with us)??? I know it's for gameplay reasons, but still :P 15:46 if the whole body of the cockatrice is made of petrifyium, it should resolve to simply ram into us with its body to end us 15:46 <@based> >when you eat the random egg on the ground ands its a cockatrice egg 15:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Dispater, on T:65978 15:53 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 688 points, T:2268, killed by a giant ant 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) bribed Asmodeus with 148 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:35245 15:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:57327 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:35590 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3248 16:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:66113 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:3526 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3605 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Hea Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priestess of Poseidon, on T:3607 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) bribed Baalzebub with 192 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:36636 16:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:16 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) had an elven dagger entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:26239 16:19 Come on Thoth, you can do better 16:25 Next time, give her an orcish dagger. 16:25 Rusty. 16:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) was given Fuma-itto no Ken, on T:23351 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:40154 16:29 <{Demo}> oh hey, I am my god's recycling bin 16:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:58056 16:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:58058 16:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1542 points, T:1536, killed by a gnome 16:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 31 points, T:62, killed by a grid bug 16:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:58259 16:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) killed Shelob, on T:23933 16:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 40925 points, T:11873, killed by a green dragon, while praying 16:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) had an orcish dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:4853 16:40 Someone ordered an orcish dagger? 16:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 1039 points, T:1341, killed by a hobbit, while fainted from lack of food 16:40 jonadab ordered it 16:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 150 points, T:460, killed by a sewer rat 16:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 80 points, T:349, killed by a jackal 16:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 431 points, T:579, killed by a fox 16:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 137 points, T:269, killed by a grid bug 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:43205 16:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 119 points, T:392, killed by a fox 16:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 gauntlets of power", on T:17237 16:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 84 points, T:689, killed by a fox, while dragging an iron ball 16:50 -!- dtype has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:58570 16:52 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:58571 16:52 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 16:52 o/ 16:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 270 points, T:985, killed by a fox 16:53 \o 16:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 19 points, T:71, killed by a newt 16:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:9126 16:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 114 points, T:544, killed by a grid bug 16:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:24521 16:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 69 points, T:646, killed by a sewer rat 16:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Demo2 (Bar Vam Fem Cha) killed Lungorthin, on T:24707 16:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 93 points, T:518, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:44073 17:01 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Thoth, on T:31929 17:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3415 17:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 238 points, T:894, killed by a jackal 17:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 81 points, T:164, killed by a jackal 17:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 52 points, T:123, killed by a newt 17:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 489 points, T:1076, killed by a slightly wounded water demon 17:06 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) destroyed the invisible coplate's ghost, the former Empiric, on T:5633 17:07 @luxidream Time? 17:07 GG also 17:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 27 points, T:290, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Canon, on T:44513 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] gturner (Bar Hum Mal Cha) murdered Idefix, his faithful little dog, on T:169 17:17 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 3831 points, T:4042, killed by a dwarf 17:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 759 points, T:772, killed by a gnome lady 17:21 Aaand I was doing so well! Just found mithril boots and hat, but hadn't yet put them on. 17:22 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4558 points, T:4896, killed by a quivering blob 17:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:8798 17:28 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:32784 17:29 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32791 17:32 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47930 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:47932 17:34 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:48656 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:48664 17:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:48976 17:42 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:49114 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:49115 17:45 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:51072 17:54 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: Ping timeout (120 seconds)] 17:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:51368 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:51385 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:51437 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Law), 3129140 points, T:51472, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/O/Okjubre/nethack/dumplog/1610936263.nh.html 18:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a leocrotta, on T:7046 18:05 there goes my armor :-( 18:09 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:573 18:12 GG Okjubre! 18:17 ais523: the other day I was working on implementing something that can probably best be described as "particle effects". The idea I had was for enhancing the map display with (optional) animations, either for example, cycling hallucination colors, (maybe) cycle blues of water, and to rework sparkle into being sent to the client instead of a continuous mapsym cycling. I was wondering, what do you think 18:17 would be the result on ttyrecs if I did something like passively cycling colors if hallucinating? 18:18 FIQ: I'm not ais523 but extra frames would be maddening for detailed analysis with ipbt and friends 18:18 I am not familiar with those tools 18:18 Well, they can do frame-by-frame display of ttyrecs. 18:18 Pinkbeast: tbf, if this is for nh4, probably easier to analyse the save file directly 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1204 points, T:1484, quit 18:19 it would be for NH4 yes (well, fiqhack in this case, but it's NH4-based) 18:19 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:21 -!- squolly has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:22 FIQ: how many people actually want this? 18:22 brogue and cogmind's animations are very popular 18:22 aosdict: I will likely add the sparkle thing regardless, because I see no issue with it 18:23 most players turn off sparkle to the fullest extent possible 18:23 FIQ: Also ipbt has a facility to do a sort of log(delay) between frames so if the user's playing quickly you see it normally, but if they pause for 30 seconds it's shorter. Animation without user input would wreck that. 18:23 aosdict: Yes, because sparkle slows down everything 18:23 I don't think the problem is the animation itself 18:23 but rather the fact that it locks up gameplay and makes places such as the Plane of Fire a huge PITA 18:23 yeah, if sparkle were interruptible it would be fine 18:24 (which--that actually shouldn't be hard to do. It needs kbhit which is like 5 lines for tty/curses and probably free elsewhere) 18:24 FIQ: DCSS has something like that, but it changes per-turn not per-time 18:24 possibly because people got annoyed 18:24 ais523: I know how DCSS' system works 18:25 it should be technically very easy (it's a similar effect in terms of implementation difficulty to NitroHack's blink option, which everyone hated and turned off) 18:25 and I'm fairly sure the updating is actually more of a technical detail rather than the fact that people got annoyed 18:25 I don't want stuff animating at me when I'm thinking 18:25 * Umbire sparkles at Pinkbeast 18:25 interruptible sparkle is definitely a better idea than the vanilla implementation, though 18:26 ais523: what I was going to do for sparkle was simply just to have it work like your typical game particle effect 18:26 basically something that happens in the background and quickly wears off, and doesn't affect game flow at all 18:26 yes 18:28 it would lead to, for example, all sparkles in the Plane of Fire going off at the same time (or in stages in case --More--s are involved) rather than forcing you to sit through every single one individually 18:29 now I'm wondering who you're advertising at :-) 18:29 I agreed with the idea even before I heard the details, and the details are pretty much what I expected 18:29 ais523: wasn't NitroHack's blink just the terminal's BLINK attribute? 18:29 would be hard to do in vanilla because of all the windowports, but the NH4 engine should be fine with it 18:29 FIQ: no 18:29 which, agreed, is *very* obnoxious 18:29 it alternated between options on a delay 18:29 but it ought to be possible to do background cycling in a non-annoying way 18:30 terminal blink can only alternate between something and nothing, whereas NitroHack cycled between monster and item 18:30 I mean, I've seen several roguelikes pull it off just fine without being annoying (e.g. brogue) 18:30 some people absolutely detest Brogue's color effects, somehow 18:30 ais523: any interest in merging in https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/292 18:30 ais523: ahh I see 18:30 whereas other people are completely fine with them 18:30 to amend sparkle to be less bad 18:30 Also, this would obviously be a game option that could be turned off 18:31 since I know there will inevitably be a group of people who dislike it 18:31 aosdict: this is a part of the code I hardly ever work on, so although I'm interested in the change I'm unlikely to work on it myself 18:31 as long as *some* people appreciate it 18:31 otherwise I see no point in adding it (beyond the sparkle part) 18:31 aosdict: dynahack and fiqhack has that actually 18:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3435 18:32 ais523: you don't need super specific knowledge to merge a PR. the code is provided for you 18:33 I wouldn't merge PRs without being sure of what they did 18:34 the other other reason is that I haven't been able to merge code into the repository for a while because my toolchain for doing so broke in an OS upgrade 18:34 I mean, it's not that hard to read the code and see what it does 18:35 granted this is from before the optlist.h refactor so it doesn't currently apply cleanly, but still, it's not a giant code change 18:35 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:36 it changes the definition of struct flag, that means that I need to figure out whether the save file format is frozen at the moment or not 18:36 iirc adding a duration on sparkle in fiqhack was like 10 lines of code to change 18:36 and if it turns out to be buggy, someone will report it and it will get fixed. the devteam has enough fixup commits on master that I'm pretty sure they don't rigidly require exhaustive testing 18:36 and that was mostly because NH4 options are overly complicated 18:36 the same would probably be like 5 in NH3 18:36 the save file format is not frozen right now 18:36 NitroHack options were worse, it took me so long just to get NH4 options into a state that actually worked 18:37 a savebreaking change merely needs to be accompanied by an EDITLEVEL bump 18:41 footrice should use bird_parts instead of animal_parts in mbodypart 18:42 a cockatrice has wings, claw, feathers, etc 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Juiblex, on T:37135 18:42 isn't bodypart one of like 3 functions in NH3 to actually be player/monster-symmetric 18:42 well, it was in 3.4.3, I think 3.6+ has plenty more 18:43 and 3.7 continues to move in that direction 18:43 3.7 is part of 3.6+ though :P 18:43 I just refactored destroy_item() to be symmetric, that was rough 18:43 hm I think destroy_item might still be asymmetric in fh 18:44 hm apparently not 18:44 seems to be fully symmetric 18:44 cool 18:44 aosdict: what was rough about it? I don't remember 18:45 <{Demo}> in dnh it is symmetric 18:46 {Demo}: what does s_suffix(Monnam(&youmonst)) return in dnh? 18:46 FIQ: the system of deferring objects because they might dump the player onto a trap and cause a recursive destroy_item call didn't map that cleanly, and it has to return the amount of damage but that's only relevant in the monster case 18:47 it ought to return "Your" 18:47 well, unless you Call a monster "You" 18:47 but NetHack's internals can't distinguish those cases 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] kincle (Val Dwa Fem Law), 492809 points, T:37210, turned to slime by a green slime 18:47 hm now I'm curiopus if that introduces problems in fh 18:47 probably 18:47 *curious 18:47 roleplay as granny weatherwax by naming your cat You 18:48 s_suffix(makeplural(Monnam(&youmonst))) should be Yous guyses 18:49 ais523: the only way to fix that would probably be for s_suffix to take a monster argument 18:49 but that sounds overkill for only fixing this corner case 18:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Elf Fem Cha), 5021 points, T:7015, killed by an Uruk-hai 18:50 the other way would be to have some sort of character indicating that something was a proper noun, that gets removed for display 18:50 actually there is another solution that makes things less verbose in the general case 18:50 ms_suffix(mon, Monnam) 18:51 ais523: Hmm, the NetHack display system probably won't correctly handle zero-width characters, will it? 18:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:51 nor double-width ones 18:51 jonadab: no, you'd remove it in the windowport 18:52 or at the windowport API boundary 18:52 jonadab: isn't that a general terminal problem 18:52 not really limited to NH 18:52 this is something that I would expect most terminals to get wrong, in practice 18:52 (Because I was gonna suggest an invisible zero-width character for indicating things, but.) 18:52 but in theory it's specified for most of Unicode 18:52 FIQ: Ah, good point. 18:53 this reminds me of an amusing quirk with a mIRC layout script I saw a very long time ago 18:53 someone apparently used a character defined to be exactly 1px wide to make things line up nicely in non-monospace IRC 18:53 which is generally harder to do compared to monospace 18:53 but it would ironically fail in monospace fonts 18:53 since it wouldn't be 1px wide there :P 18:54 I'm not even sure what the correct semantics for a half-width space are in a terminal 18:54 it's defined quite clearly as being half a space wide, but most terminals want characters aligned to the grid 18:54 along similar lines, I don't think most terminals implement the half-linefeed / reverse-half-linefeed characters 18:55 iirc it paints the "proper" width but still moves the cursor fully? so a sequence of "weirdly" wide characters would print correctly, but going back to regular ones afterwards makes them potentially overly spaced away, or on top of other c haracters 18:55 -!- moon-child has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.8.2 - https://znc.in] 18:55 this works well enough in places like weechat if the text consists of nothing but "weirdly spaced" characters 18:56 ais523: The closest thing to a "terminal" that I can think of, that allows proportional fonts, is Emacs version 20 and later. 18:56 But it's really not a terminal in the usual sense. 18:56 I think being grid-based is more or less the defining feature of most terminal layout engines 18:56 Err, might be version 21 and later. 18:57 although, the underlying terminal codes standards don't seem to assume a grid-based display, even though they have codes for controlling it 18:57 ais523: Well, it's by far the easiest way to do things, and the fact that things line up correctly is usually considered an important feature. 18:57 Rather than a bug, as it would be e.g. in word processing or a web browser. 18:58 I think you could make a reasonable argument along the lines of "technically, the fact that the cursor implements exactly 1 unit after printing each character is an implementation detail that programs shouldn't be relying on, if they want grid-based display they should move the cursor explicitly each time" 18:58 but that would fly in the face of common practice 18:59 It would, yes. Very much so. 18:59 s/implements/increments/ 18:59 ais523: I would assume that various contexts expected to deal with international characters (iirc CJK is generally fullwidth?) might be set up to work correctly in those cases 19:00 experimentally, I decided to see what happened if I set my gnome-terminal to a proportional font, and discovered I couldn't; it only lists monospaced fonts in the dropdown 19:00 -!- moon-child has joined #hardfought 19:00 FIQ: actually, some early encodings for Japanese actually use two bytes for fullwidth characters and one byte for halfwidth characters, so that the characters fit correctly onto a grid in memory too 19:00 weechat can actually deal with oddly wide characters just fine it seems 19:00 although that turned out to not have enough encoding space so it's been abandoned at this point 19:01 but CJK fullwidth characters are pretty much universally agreed to take up exactly twice the width of ASCII characters in a monospaced font (that said, this isn't implemented correctly in all contexts) 19:01 it does, however, seem to confuse the input handling 19:01 ais523: Honestly, selecting a proportional font for use in a terminal, should probably require editing a config file, or at least hitting an "Advanced options" button somewhere. If they're just _on the list_, people would pick them without understanding why they might not want to do that. 19:01 even it it displays correctly on the chat itself 19:01 |𝓜ℒℳ test 19:02 (copy/pasted from a Discord mirror elsewhere) 19:02 at least in japanese, kanji are always fullwidth, hiragana/katakana/European letters can be either halfwidth or fullwidth (there are separate codepoints for the two options) 19:02 no FIQ, I don't like your offer for me to be my own boss 19:02 FIQ: Huh, that worked here in irssi as well. 19:02 aosdict: ? 19:02 In Konsole. 19:02 I use a proportional font for IRC 19:02 And by "worked", I mean some of those characters do NOT align to the grid. 19:03 jonadab: interestingly it doesn't screw up the nicklist either, which is to the right (and thus after the characters above on the line) 19:03 in weechat 19:03 FIQ: MLM - multi level marketing (scam) 19:03 aosdict: oh 19:03 aosdict: that was just part of someone's nickname :P 19:03 FIQ: The nicklist is probably put on the screen separately, using "go to this y,x position" codes. 19:03 jonadab: likely yes 19:04 there are other relevant situations, espcially Korean syllables 19:04 err, not syllables, parts of syllables 19:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Brd Swn Fem Cha), 907 points, T:1897, killed by a dwarf 19:04 they merge together into a single character 19:04 of width 2 19:04 Yeah, Hangul is actually a very elegant writing system. 19:04 so you position the cursor, then write the various components of your syllable, then if you want to be portable position the cursor again 19:05 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:05 Though it's not as flexible as an alphabet, particularly when you start seeing consonant clusters. 19:05 Hangul the writing system is elegant, Hangul's implementation in Unicode is one of those special cases that's unlike anything else 19:05 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 19:05 I mean the writing system. 19:05 Not the software. 19:05 one of the few bits of libuncursed2 that got written was the special case for Hangul 19:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 8 points, T:91, killed by an arrow trap 19:06 I am vaguely aware that there's a piece of word processing software named after the writing system, which appears to have been a licensed fork of WordPerfect 5. But I haven't ever used it. 19:06 I wonder if wordperfect is ever used today 19:06 I think wordstar still has some users, because of its keystroke-based UI 19:06 which is unlike any modern word processor 19:07 FIQ: Any version in use today would be descended from version 6, which was rewritten for Windows 3. 19:07 Or some later rewrite. 19:07 I very seriously doubt anyone still uses version 5 or earlier. 19:07 oh wait I'm confusing the 2 19:07 wordperfect was the later one 19:07 Wordstar key mappings influenced other software. 19:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Cav Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:27511 19:08 the one who still has a significant group of users 19:08 FIQ: WordPerfect is still used a lot by lawyers, at least partly because Microsoft Word has a tendency to miscount words and going over can be hugely bad if you're a lawyer 19:09 when I submitted my PhD thesis, I got stumped by the question about what the word count was 19:09 There's more than one definition of what it means to "correctly" count words. 19:09 so I submitted it under three different definitions (it was within range for all the definitions) 19:09 jonadab: yes, but apparently there's some fixed definition in legal circles (I guess there would have to be) 19:10 of course there is 19:10 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 1481 points, T:887, killed by a baby owlbear 19:10 Yeah, I don't know what the definition for lawyers is. 19:10 this is law we're talking about 19:10 with my PhD thesis, I had issues such as figures which had words inside them 19:10 But I'm confident there is one. 19:10 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:10 Ah, figures. 19:10 should those count or not? 19:10 That's an interesting point. 19:10 what about Greek letters that are being used as variables in an equation? 19:10 In some contexts, _footnotes_ don't count. 19:10 But the real issue is what you do with short and long words. 19:11 in the end, to get an upper bound, I settled on running the entire thesis through pdf2text and counting the number of space-separated strings that contained at least one letter 19:11 I would not count letters used in math formulas as part of wordcount personally 19:11 I would count footnotes and similar though 19:11 Yeah. 19:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) was given Epoch's Curve, on T:2370 19:11 Oh, also, in some contexts, block quotations don't count. Because otherwise you could _really_ pad your paper out with them. 19:12 I think index and contents can reasonably be excluded, at least from a book-like document 19:12 Yes, normally only the body counts. Appendices almost never count. 19:12 jonadab: I think it says a lot about people whether they expend a lot of effort in trying to pad their work up to the wordcount minimum, or whether they expend a lot of effort in trying to cut their work down to the wordcount maximum 19:12 ais523: Yes, I always had more trouble being terse enough. 19:12 ais523: sounds like it's time for someone to write a PhD thesis on statistical analysis of word counts in PhD theses 19:13 I remember that my masters group project at University (which 10 people spent 40% of their work hours on for a year), I was disciplined in writing the report but many of the others weren't 19:13 Wouldn't be at ALL surprised if there's a 500+ page book on that. 19:13 my personal cases usually depend on how much I like the subject matter 19:13 and to fit it within the page limit we had to use a narrow font and narrow margins 19:13 if I have no interest in it whatsoever, I'm more likely to struggle to reach minquota 19:13 and vice versa 19:13 (the requirements specified the font /height/) 19:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 1435 points, T:2920, killed by a dwarf 19:14 ais523: Interesting. 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:15470 19:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:10, killed by strangulation 19:14 Back in the day, it was not uncommon to specify the number of letters per (horizontal) inch for the type face. 19:14 ais523: I remember our school doing that when I was 13-16 years old. I think this might actually have been my fault 19:14 even then, many people used Word even though they were specifically asked not to, and it caused a lot of damage when the documents were combined 19:14 Ten or twelve being the most common choices. 19:14 because earlier on, we only had "x pages" suggested 19:14 Of course that's back when physical typewriters were widespread. 19:14 The problem is that I tended to submit things using large fonts 19:15 and it wasn't so much out of laziness as rather the fact that I'm visually impaired 19:15 luckily, there was a program in the Linux repos that fixed much of the damage (and I managed to write a few scripts and/or interactive regex replacements to fix the rest, with just a few hours before deadline) 19:15 after an argument between me and a teacher after such an incident, the definition used in the future was something like "X pages, assuming the font is 12pt Times New Roman" or something like that 19:15 Eww, Times New Roman. 19:15 that fixes most of the exploits apart from paper size, margins and kerning 19:16 Times New Roman isn't /that/ ugly when printed, even though better fonts exist nowadays 19:16 it can look terrible on a screen, though 19:16 X pages, assuming the font is 42pt Comic Sans 19:16 -!- lorimer has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:16 ais523: I mean, it's not as bad as Courier New. 19:16 But there's no excuse why it's as widely used as it is. 19:17 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 19:17 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 19:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 19:17 People complain about Comic Sans, and yes, it _is_ used more than it should be, but TNR is a hundred times _more_ overused. 19:17 so basically when I was content with my work, I just needed to do a quick resize to the specification, and rework it somewhat if it didn't match 19:17 jonadab: it used to be that Arial and Times New Roman were the only two reliably available general-purpose fonts, back in the Windows 3.1 days 19:17 ais523: Yes, I remember. 19:18 Not having a doctoral degree myself, I have to wonder what the reason is for these insane thesis formatting standards I keep hearing about. 19:18 But Georgia has been out for quite a long time now 19:18 there was a point where courier new was *the* font I used for coding 19:18 nowdays I use dejavu sans mono, and wouldn't be able to stand courier new much 19:18 the font is also really thin, which makes it harder to read 19:18 aosdict: the primary problem with thesis marking is that a PhD thesis is by definition new research, and often there are only a few people in the world qualified to actually understand it and say whether it's worth accepting or not 19:18 aosdict: I think mostly, it takes a certain kind of personality to want to spend your career being a thesis advisor. 19:19 Also, what he said. 19:19 so 99% of thesis formatting standards are ensuring that when you find someone who's capable of marking it and willing to mark it, they won't encounter any obstacles that annoy them into giving up 19:19 FIQ: Yeah, in the days before Deja Vu and Bitstream, I tended to use Andale Mono. It was... way better than Courier New. 19:20 I also use droid sans mono at times, I think mostly because it's generally more commonly available on portable devices 19:20 I think Arial and Times New Roman are two of the only fonts that Microsoft ever legally licensed for use with Linux, too 19:21 then they tried to change their mind but it was a perpetual license (not open source, though, so there are a lot of hoops to jump through) 19:21 or at least the ones I own 19:21 ais523: The entire "better fonts for the web" pack (Verdana, Georgia, Andale Mono, etc.) are licensed in a way that allows them to be _used_ with Linux. 19:21 But not in a way that allows them to be repackaged easily into e.g. a .deb 19:21 font licensing in general is really weird 19:22 ais523: I'm pretty sure there's various packages for MS fonts on arch repons, and I assume the same elsewhere.. Surely they're not illegal? 19:22 Because you ahve to distribute them in the original .exe Windows-95-installer form. 19:22 *repos 19:22 *have 19:22 If you distributer them, that is. 19:22 FIQ: they aren't, but they also aren't open-source in the normal sense 19:22 I think there are EULAs and the like involved, and conversion programs 19:23 FIQ: To the extent such packages are legal, I think they have to use something like cabextract to de-Windows-ify the fonts after they're on the local system. 19:23 Which is not *hard*, just different from how things are usually done for other font packages. 19:24 The fonts themselves work with any normal TTF engine. 19:24 But you have to get them out of the wonky container format. 19:24 And you can't distribute them already extracted. 19:25 Microsoft cause similar issues with all the standards they touch, I think, e.g. the bootloader format they forced onto hardware manufacturers requires the things that are being loaded to be .exe files with exactly one digital signature 19:25 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2463 19:25 For a while, they were genuinely some of the best fonts available in certain categories. These days, Georgia is the only one of them I still have really any need for. 19:25 most Linux distros work around this by using small wrapper programs 19:26 And yes, UEFI is the actual devil. 19:26 but Linux is designed to be bootloadable directly, too, which has the weird effect that modern versions of Linux are at least syntactically legal Windows executables 19:26 (but don't expect them to do anything sensible when run) 19:26 my only real gripe with UEFI is "it made me have to re-learn stuff for no discernable reasons" 19:26 I have many more gripes with GRUB2 vs legacy 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:15904 19:26 configuring the latter was trivial 19:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 6776 points, T:2630, quit 19:27 I'm not very happy that GRUB2 made it much more annoying to set u 19:27 *set up 19:27 my position on UEFI is "good general idea that's intentionally been corrupted to be somewhat abusable in practice, horrifying internal details" 19:27 FIQ: My main gripe with UEFI is that it's overwhelmingly more complicated than it should be and makes it way harder than it should be to do stuff like install a different operating system. 19:27 installing OSes is trivial. Problem with UEFI is that it's *massive* 19:28 it has a full network stack 19:28 You buy a computer and don't know, until you mess with it for an hour, whether it's even going to be possible to get it to boot from a CD, for instance. 19:28 nowadays, when I go computer shopping, I ask the salespeople if they'll let me look at the BIOS on their show/sample computers 19:28 This was never a problem with BIOS. 19:28 moon-child: that in itself doesn't really sound like a problem to me 19:28 (not actually BIOS, but firmware configuration) 19:28 isn't that to allow booting from network? 19:28 something called PXE iirc, never bothered with it myself 19:28 I wonder if you could use UEFI to download an ISO and boot straight to it 19:28 moon-child: Yes, it's way more complicated than it should be. 19:28 and won't buy it unless there's an option to manually configure the Secure Boot configuration 19:29 nabru: UEFI is basically an operating system in its own right 19:29 also, I've never seen a computer that didn't allow me to disable secure boot 19:29 although one where everything runs as root 19:29 ais523: there is a mandate that it should be possible to turn off 19:29 no? 19:29 for x86 at least 19:29 FIQ: yes; but there isn't a mandate that it should be possible to configure it 19:29 you could obey the mandate by having two states, Microsoft-approved or off entirely 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (killed by a heavily wounded invisible rock troll), on T:15932 19:29 FIQ: yeah it has netboot, but it also has a ton of other junk that is completely superfluous 19:29 I generally just disable it 19:29 but that makes dual-booting near impossible because Windows will complain 19:29 like, bluetooth... 19:30 udp, ipsec, ftp, tls apparently 19:30 Also, PXE already existed, and worked fine with BIOS. 19:30 last time I tried, windows didn't mind booting with it disabled 19:30 also, I think Secure Boot under the user's control is a good thing on average 19:30 but that was back when w7 was still the major windows OS people used 19:30 UEFI wasn't needed for network booting. 19:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 368 points, T:1094, killed by a quasit of Anshar, while praying 19:30 FIQ: it's technically capable of it, and will work, but it complains 19:30 yeah, I think Secure Boot is not a bad thing if you can disable it 19:30 It was needed to help Microsoft create lock-in. 19:30 jonadab: but why? 19:31 like, there still isn't anything stopping you from installing something other than Windows 19:31 the spec allows you to do things like replacing the master key with a key of your own, and then personally configuring what will and won't boot 19:31 at work I have secure boot + BIOS password on all our machines, prevents people from trying to bypass security by booting Linux USB drives 19:31 so what exactly were they trying to accomplish? 19:31 FIQ: mobile 19:31 FIQ: Because originally the intention was that it would be impossible to boot anything but a Microsoft-signed OS on it. 19:31 secure boot is completely useless. It's riddled with security flaws, and there are better solutions to the same problem that don't require firmware support 19:31 They got pressured into making it _somewhat_ less restrictive. 19:31 Windows Mobile is set to require an undisableable secure boot 19:31 But that was the original goal. 19:31 IIRC Windows on ARM had non-disableable secure boot 19:31 nabru: correct 19:32 but yes, the UEFI is so complicated that it isn't surprising it has security holes 19:32 ais523: windows phone (previously windows mobile) isn't really a thing anymore though 19:32 but I think windows on ARM still has that problem 19:32 FIQ: Windows phone is now called "Windows Ten". 19:32 how many people are buying Windows ARM computers, though? I know Windows Mobile is dead, but I'm surprised that Windows ARM is any less dead 19:32 Dunno. 19:33 I've never seen any Windows ARM device, either 19:33 I mean, nobody, and I mean really really nobody, wants Windows on a phone-sized device. 19:33 well, Android is basically the Windows of mobile 19:33 actually from what I heard, their terrible new UI actually worked rather well in a phone context 19:33 controlled by a large company, very widely used but somewhat buggy and inflexible, works well enough in practice but has some UI issues 19:33 ais523: IN terms of market position, sure. 19:34 ais523: at least it isn't iOS 19:34 I still have *some* control of what I can do on an Android phone 19:34 iOS is clearly the Mac OS X of mobile. 19:34 Apple makes things so hard for developers 19:34 I have given up on Mac OS X at this point 19:34 even if I'd rather have more 19:34 they add new restrictions on how to use the toolchain all the time 19:35 has the "you need to send every executable you create to Apple's servers so that it can be virus-scanned before the OS allows it to run" feature been turned on by default yet? 19:35 my main gripe with adnroid and phones in general nowdays is that people seem to have ditched the idea of ones with hardware keyboards entirely 19:35 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 3146 points, T:1458, killed by a magical silver dagger 19:35 I don't have a mobile, so I don't have experience of trying to type without a keyboard 19:36 on a phone-sized screen, at least 19:36 my phone at this point is almost 4-5 years old I think 19:36 (I have used TV-sized public touchscreens in the past) 19:36 it's a Galaxy S7 Edge, and I was able to buy a hardware keyboard for it that attaches to it 19:37 and it works rather well for me, but I have small hands (I've heard it doesn't work as well for most people) 19:37 typing on a touch screen is very, very painful 19:37 I avoid it as much as possible 19:38 I also don't like typing on a touch screen... I really don't understand how do people manage to type anything longer than a SMS on a phone 19:38 actually, there's a public touchscreen at the main train station here that's bigger than I am 19:38 I've used that one too 19:38 but finding the keys isn't so hard when you're typing at that scale 19:38 I've considered buying a GPD Win 2, it's some chinese thing which is basically an UMPC 19:38 but from what I heard, the build quality is not very good 19:38 that is really the only problem with it from what I've seen for my purposes 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:16742 19:41 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 19:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:16761 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:16792 19:43 I feel like mbodypart should include: if (mptr == &mons[PM_MEDUSA] && part == HAIR) return "snakes"; 19:44 But I guess there is no circumstance where that would be used right now, anyway 19:44 there probably isn't a circumstance where sharks' hair would be referenced either, but there's a case for that 19:45 well, you could be polymorphed into a shark and be on a level with a graveyard 19:45 that's the only case where HAIR is used 19:45 but you can't polymorph into Medusa, so it would never be used 19:45 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu) was given Tensa Zangetsu, on T:4242 19:45 ... can I polyinit into medusa 19:46 nope 19:46 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:46 OPTIONS=polyinit:Medusa 19:46 * Line 11: cannot polyinit into unique monster 'Medusa'.. 19:46 * Line 11: Unknown option 'polyinit:Medusa'. 19:46 this in xnh 19:47 idk why unknown option is there 19:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 2741 points, T:4415, killed by a djinni 19:47 it always does that 19:47 when an option has the wrong sort of value 19:48 e.g. if you do OPTIONS=race:cockroach it will say the same thing 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:17240 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:17240 19:52 -!- squolly has joined #hardfought 19:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:54 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34460 19:54 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 19:55 Hello internetd00ds 19:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:36788 19:55 I have a question about compiling Nethack with the SpliceHack variant – is this the right place to ask? 19:55 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1619 points, T:1383, killed by a human zombie 19:56 Deathsushi: yep 19:56 Awesome — thank you 19:56 So, I have instructions here for how to compile Nethack itself, based off the most recent build, on my Mac. I can run comnadline, etc. What I'm wondering is where, in this process, I insert the code for Splicehack 19:58 You don't insert the code for SpliceHack, you should download its source code independently of the vanilla code 19:58 Oh got it. So I don't actually compile Nethack's basic code whatsoever? I just compile SpliceHack? 19:58 Correct. 19:58 Ah, got it 19:58 The build process should be basically the same. 19:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Oona, on T:37226 19:59 Well that's a lot easier then — thank you 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:17496 20:00 -!- krm26_ has joined #hardfought 20:00 <@riker> Deathsushi: yeah, pretty much every modern nethack "mod" is just a variant htat's compiled independently, rather than a patch applied to the original sources 20:00 I don't want to discourage anyone who wants to build locally, but I should point out that if all you want is to *play* SpliceHack and not mess around with the code or use wizard mode, then you can play it on hardfought.org 20:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Mal Cha), 1728 points, T:2941, killed by a dwarf 20:01 <@riker> there's some older 'mods' (nethack just calls things like that patches, after the patch command used to apply them in the command line) but I think a lot of those were copied into variants in some form 20:01 @Riker: Very helpfu — thank you 20:01 Aoisdict: I saw that, but I can't use a tileset when playing online, can I? 20:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) genocided gray dragons, on T:67040 20:02 Using the web terminal, you can! Not sure if Splice's is up to date but I *think* it is? 20:02 Do you have a page that would direct me toward doing that? 20:03 I'm not familiar with how I would use a web terminal (I only know SSH'ing in) 20:03 the web terminal is https://hardfought.org/hterm/ 20:03 -!- squolly has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:03 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:03 and then there should be a tileset dropdown that includes splicehack 20:03 -!- squolly has joined #hardfought 20:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 487 points, T:1057, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 20:04 @aosdict — BEAUTY 20:04 Thank you, this is much better than diddling around myself 20:04 <- pro not-diddling 20:04 you're welcome! 20:06 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:10 <@luxidream> !who 20:10 @luxidream: [hdf-us] guest99987 [slshm] krm26 [evil] coplate [evil] VaderFLAG [evil] tinklebear [evil] Frozty [nh370] Tommo [nh370] Deathsushi [spl] Disruptor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 20:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:17980 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:18092 20:16 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 20:16 Ah, so, it looks like I have to set OPTIONS=vt_tiledata in my config to use a tileset, but how do I access the options file on the server? 20:17 Deathsushi: when you're logged in and looking at the main menu (with the list of games to launch) press 'j' 20:18 then you will have to choose which game's options file you want to edit 20:18 Ah 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Pri Hob Mal Neu), 520 points, T:1866, killed by a newt, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:18 the interface of the built-in editor is like vim 20:19 you can also do it via the hardfought.org website 20:19 https://www.hardfought.org/nethack/rcedit/ 20:19 isn't there nano too? 20:20 yeah, you can choose between ee, virus, and nano 20:20 oh yeah, good point, I forgot you could do that 20:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:38904 20:22 Deathsushi: if you see another player's config and like it, swipe it! 20:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:38933 20:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased pickaxe", on T:18253 20:22 How do I enter the command M-q? 20:22 (It's been a while since I've played outside of a windowed version of Nethack) 20:22 M is meta, usually alt 20:25 OPTIONS=altmeta may need to be set too, not sure whether it's on by default or not 20:26 -!- Deathsushi has quit [Quit: Textual IRC Client: www.textualapp.com] 20:27 funny that there were separate vt_tiledata discussions going on simultaneously in #hardfought and #nethack 20:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ninja, on T:3520 20:29 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 974 points, T:1614, killed by a crossbow bolt 20:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:39594 20:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:39790 20:33 [hdf-us] [evil] coplate (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 792 points, T:1050, killed by a little dog 20:33 Also, if there's a command you can't enter (for instance most people can't send Ctrl-T to teleport while playing in a web browser since it'll open a new tab), it can always be entered as an extended command, e.g. #teleport 20:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Garland, on T:39975 20:34 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 147 points, T:350, killed by a jumping spider 20:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:39993 20:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:18697 20:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:18702 20:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3282 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:18956 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1349 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Rog Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:23986 20:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:23987 20:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:19033 20:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:19036 20:45 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 281 points, T:574, killed by a bat 20:46 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 20:48 -!- Deathsushi has joined #hardfought 20:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 277 points, T:1240, killed by a coyote, while fainted from lack of food 20:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3070 20:49 Why is it that the directions in Nethack et al. are set at y k u, h, l, b, j, n — these seem completely non-intuitive 20:49 Am I missing something 20:49 Is it assuming I'm on a dvorak keyboard or something? 20:50 They are related to movement commands in the Vim editor (hjkl), and date back to the earliest roguelikes. 20:50 You can change your settings to use a numpad for directional movement if you have one 20:51 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 20:51 aosdict: Ah... got it. I'll just remain incredibly envious of those with a numpad then 20:51 :D 20:51 You can remember that yubn are each in the appropriate direction away from h 20:51 whatever you do, do NOT use the arrow keys. you'll certainly die due to forgetting you can move diagonally 20:52 * K2 looks longingly at his numpad 20:52 mmm numpad 20:52 ... longingly? 20:52 sure 20:52 j sort of looks like a little arrow pointing down, h and l are also in the appropriate directions for left and right 20:52 never mind I don't want to know 20:52 you know i cnt spl 20:52 no it was spelled right 20:52 longingly 20:52 Knowing it's related to VIM helps 20:53 Second, the tileset for SpliceHack looks jacked — is there any known issue with that tileset? 20:54 as I said it might be out of date, I haven't played it in a while so I don't know 20:54 that's a question for K2/antigulp 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Rog Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful iron golem, on T:24104 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Rog Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful air elemental, on T:24104 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3604 20:55 it probably needs to be recreated 20:55 -!- squolly has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:55 Is that something I can do, K2? 20:55 nah i can do it 20:55 you can always get a set of keycaps like mine Deathsushi https://0x0.st/-if4.JPG 20:55 thanks though 20:55 Sure, you bet 20:55 Does that take a long time? 20:56 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:56 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 20:56 not long... 5-6 hours tops 20:56 ^ kidding 20:56 😄 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:19392 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "Blessed fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3753 20:57 i can knock it out tonight 20:58 K2: Thank you — I appreciate it 20:58 damn AntiGulp hasnt made any live version updates to splicehack since dec 6th 20:58 Is there a printable list of SpliceHack commands online? Rather than trying to print out from terminal? 21:00 not that i know of. maybe the wiki? 21:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:19482 21:00 Deathsushi: https://termbin.com/y3ke 21:01 Lovely stuff — thank you! 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed jww's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:4259 21:01 was that printed from terminal 21:01 that is actually not 100% accurate, I think antigulp hasn't updated it. the ! command is now a shortcut for '#technique' instead of sh 21:02 -!- squolly has joined #hardfought 21:02 aosdict: it was thanks to cat ~gh/SpliceHack/dat/hh 21:02 oh right, that hh file 21:03 so mysterious 21:03 like would it kill the devteam to make it hh.txt 21:03 ooh boy 21:04 <@the_eternal_paradox> hi people 21:04 there are several errors in monsters.txt 21:04 like, a lot 21:04 <{Demo}> whats monsters.txt? 21:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2192 21:04 AntiGulp needs to fix these before we can make a proper tileset 21:04 <{Demo}> oh 21:05 <@the_eternal_paradox> can I report my own instance of SpliceHack problems 21:05 please do 21:05 best place to do that is here - https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/issues 21:05 AntiGulp isn't here right now, AFAICT, so the report might not go to anyone who can do anything about it 21:05 but we're interested to hear about issues out of curiosity 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4604 21:05 <@the_eternal_paradox> this actually happened quite a while ago, so it might be fixed 21:05 reporting it to the bug tracker will probably work better in terms of getting it fixed, though 21:05 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/801271257869844530/problem.png 21:06 <@the_eternal_paradox> also sorry it's so hard to read :P 21:06 @the_eternal_paradox which server? 21:06 <@the_eternal_paradox> hardfought 21:06 right. which one 21:06 US, EU or AU ? 21:06 <@luxidream> lol 21:06 :) 21:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:41987 21:07 <@the_eternal_paradox> oh well US then :P 21:07 K2: Ah darn it 21:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 3749 points, T:2600, killed by a gnome 21:08 I can do M-q on the Hardfought server, but M-n doesn't work — any idea why this would be the case? (I can still name with #name) 21:08 @the_eternal_paradox what username do you play as? 21:08 <@the_eternal_paradox> wintergalaxy88 21:08 <@the_eternal_paradox> that was a screenshot from at least a month ago though so I expect it might be fixed 21:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Con Gno Fem Cha), 117 points, T:454, killed by a fox 21:09 well maybe not 21:09 last update to splicehack for public use was dec 6th 21:10 1607546633 (name removed): impossible breaking non-equipped glass obj? 21:10 ^ from paniclog 21:11 Deathsushi not sure why M-n isnt working for you in splicehack 21:12 <@the_eternal_paradox> hmm well I eventually solved it by just killing the Kop :P 21:12 * K2 casts 'summon AntiGulp' spell 21:12 <@the_eternal_paradox> and then throwing away the daggers to shatter them for good 21:12 K2: The behaviour seems to move all of the visible tiles over a single space. Until I walk back over them and they reset 21:12 Weird 21:12 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:12 if even one tile is off, it can screw up the entire tileset beyond that tile 21:13 K2 Alright, I'll turn off the tileset for now 21:13 Same behaviour without tileset, for M-n 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:5372 21:15 !who 21:15 K2: [hdf-us] Bourne [dyn] guest99987 [slshm] bouquet [evil] tinklebear [evil] winny [nh370] Tommo [nh370] coplate [nh370] Deathsushi [spl] Disruptor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] Glord [nh370] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 21:16 xNetHack updated (all servers) 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:20659 21:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:20722 21:21 -!- loli has quit [Quit: WeeChat 3.0] 21:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 2511 points, T:3501, killed by a brown mold 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:20766 21:22 -!- microlance has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:23 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 21:23 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Priestess, on T:6773 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:6884 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (killed by the wounded Wizard of Yendor), on T:20987 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 329588 points, T:20991, killed by the wounded Wizard of Yendor (with the Amulet) 21:31 damn 21:31 ^^; 21:32 twice in four turns, wow 21:32 a dragon ate my death wands 21:32 tommo: oof 21:32 i kinda quit; but! i learned a lot! 21:32 im still getting the feel for how little i can proceed with 21:32 I figured out the splicehack thing 21:32 oh i tried ot watch but ur gone 21:32 YUM YUM 21:33 its not so late here, maybe i can get another one goin 21:33 i wanna try the no two-weaponing strat 21:34 its neat cuz then you use your slots more efficiently and have a free ammy slot for LS 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] coplate (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 21155 points, T:7711, killed by an uninjured mumak, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:34 ya, if i had reflection i wouldnt be losing wands 21:34 qt what is it? 21:34 i also... forgot to blank my scrolls n ran out of mapping 21:34 oh you had no reflection at all 21:34 sucks 21:35 K2: obj->owornmask is set to 0 even when there is a stack of items and only one is broken 21:35 i wore LS over it 21:35 it should only be set to 0 if there's just 1 item left 21:35 oh heh 21:35 ah 21:35 yea i'd probably wear reflection first 21:35 i had to waste a 0:1 wish on a pickaxe again :c 21:35 then switch it out for "oLS if you get a shield of reflection instead 21:36 Hi 21:36 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 21:36 Oh wow that's a rough death 21:37 oh oof just saw the death 21:37 rip tommo :c 21:37 heh 21:37 thank 21:37 K2: you fixed this lol https://github.com/copperwater/xNetHack/commit/a26c01d8501857a8ff6f5da476773b4d79d0c897 21:37 antigulp just didn't merge the fix 21:38 heh 21:39 that was... awhile ago 21:39 i vaguely remember that 21:39 aoei: i still catch myself havin 2 check the wiki about a lot of things. idk if it's just me second guessing myself or wat 21:39 do cursed wands miss more often? 21:39 i don't think so 21:39 i think they just have a small chance of exploding when you zap 21:39 They explode more often. 21:39 oh ok watev 21:40 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 21:40 i spent a whole death charge killin 1 wizard ^^; 21:40 Andrio: technically true but implies uncursed ones explode at all, which i don't think happens 21:40 They don't. 21:40 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6357 points, T:11728, killed by a panther 21:40 right 21:40 They explode more often than not at all (but not much more). 21:40 my point exactly :P 21:41 Lost my last ascendable evilhack character to a cursed wand of death 21:41 i will go back to bed i think 21:41 nini 21:42 \o 21:42 night 21:42 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 21:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Ana Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:44136 21:47 Is there.a separate wiki for splichack? 21:47 splice* 21:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Cav Hum Fem Law) wished for "an uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:29829 21:47 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:48 Nope. 21:48 All the variants live on nethackwiki 21:48 there's a lot of information at https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/SpliceHack though 21:48 check out the links under the "features" heading 21:49 (there's probably a japanese wiki for nethack-jp but I don't know for certain) 21:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Cav Hum Fem Law) wished for "a blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:29835 21:50 Merci QT 21:50 huh, 3.6.6 was released less than a year ago. seems longer 21:51 I think that's probably 2020 syndrome 21:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 420 points, T:732, killed by an uninjured priest of Loki 21:52 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Demogorgon, on T:67561 21:53 Oddly, there are some monsters I don't recognize from Nethack (eg, Serval, Corpse worm) but they're not listed under features 21:53 -> New Monsters 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Reconnoiteress, on T:11631 21:55 you know that in splicehack you can use ';' (farlook) then select a monster with ':' to get detailed information about it? 21:55 i need to add that to evilhack 21:55 i keep putting it off 21:56 qt: I have been 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 502 points, T:1040, killed by an uninjured giant ant 21:56 I didn't realize I could use the : for it though 21:57 you can do something that in vanilla too (might have to use / rather than ; to start the farlook though) 21:58 ais523: in this case it has really detailed information, like whether it's poisonous to eat, any intrinsics it can give, etc 22:00 though it's actually broken in the development branch right now because antigulp merged the "lightly wounded X" commit from vanilla and now the lookups aren't working 22:00 since it isn't stripping off the "lightly wounded " before doing the search 22:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1238 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1338 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of teleport control", on T:1339 22:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of teleportation", on T:1341 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1349 22:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) stole 1832 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Morven's quality apparel and accessories, on T:1357 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots", on T:1403 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased ring of conflict", on T:1406 22:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:30983 22:10 wow, that's pretty early to get a wand of wishing 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:1753 22:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Cav Hum Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 30 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31190 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1953 22:13 Fortune of good luck methinkds 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:68202 22:15 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:68205 22:16 found a wand shop 22:18 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 22:21 -!- infinigon has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21 even better luck 22:21 speaking of which this phone rogue has been having quite good luck 22:21 managed to drop a heavily armored dwarf using a wand of magic missile I had 22:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:13290 22:22 found out he had dwarvish mithril and +3 iron shoues 22:22 shoes* 22:23 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:3225 22:27 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6863 points, T:8691, killed by a bolt of cold 22:28 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 32 points, T:177, killed by an arrow 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3539 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 8 darts on an altar, on T:3542 22:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Hea Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible spleen's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:7204 22:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Cav Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 124 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:32107 22:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:3942 22:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] Orcranger (Hea Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7479 22:35 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 uncursed scrolls of genocide", on T:68368 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) genocided sea dragons, on T:68369 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) genocided black dragons, on T:68369 22:36 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Rog Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 uncursed scrolls of genocide", on T:68378 22:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed coplate's ghost, the former Priestess, on T:27143 22:36 -!- krm26_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:40 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:4645 22:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Cav Hum Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:32489 22:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Cav Hum Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:32490 22:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15860 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:5753 22:56 C'mon Glord and Tommo! 22:59 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Abu Amn Fem Cha), 77787 points, T:8788, killed by a monster (bronze gargoyle) 23:02 -!- Admin__ has joined #hardfought 23:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Cav Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:33849 23:08 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:6718 23:14 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:7000 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:7014 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:7020 23:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:7172 23:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:7274 23:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:7274 23:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:7463 23:36 woah. Found a /oWishing(1:0). I guess my only possible wish is a potentially wrested wish? 23:39 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:14384 23:43 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:14721 23:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:7844 23:46 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 23:46 man, i wish i had identify identified 23:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of identify", on T:7862 23:49 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:49 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:49 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought