00:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) was given Kingslayer, on T:4845 00:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non), 327 points, T:242, killed by a marid 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 11956 points, T:14689, killed by a wounded dwarf mummy 00:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non), 5408 points, T:1554, killed by a marid 00:32 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Quit: spicycebolla] 00:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2111 00:53 hey tommo you here? 00:53 ye 00:53 you mind saving real quick? i have some bugfixes to push to evilhack, will only take a sec 00:53 ok all saved up 00:53 and done 00:53 thanks, you can resume :) 00:53 yay :3 00:55 EvilHack updated (all servers) 00:58 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 00:58 UnNetHack updated (all servers) 00:59 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 00:59 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:00 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:00 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 01:00 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 01:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:3, killed by a falling object 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4161 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4184 01:03 !lastgame omghax 01:03 K2: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/nethack/dumplog/1609272243.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/nethack/dumplog/1609275886.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/omghax/nethack/dumplog/1610344919.nh.html 01:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:5974 01:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Adept, on T:4331 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:4377 01:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:06 -!- lxlldr has quit [Quit: Quit] 01:06 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 2 potions of water on an altar, on T:4611 01:10 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 01:10 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3237 points, T:5003, killed by an uninjured vampire 01:12 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 01:12 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 01:14 [hdf-us] [evil] Tommo (Sam Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:5305 01:15 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 01:15 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 01:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) wished for "Blessed Greased Fixed +3 Premium Heart", on T:4965 01:17 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 01:17 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 01:18 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 01:19 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 01:19 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 01:30 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 01:30 Hi k2 01:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:6575 01:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Tommo (Sam Hum Fem Law), 9836 points, T:6280, killed by a fire elemental of Raijin 01:47 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:48 dNetHack updated (all servers) 01:48 hi Umbire 01:48 How's it goin' 01:48 ok, you? 01:49 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:53 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "good night"] 01:59 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 02:00 anyone playing that saved for the update can resume. thanks 02:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:8828 02:12 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 02:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) wished for "Blessed Greased Fixed Bag of Holding", on T:9464 02:17 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 02:34 uh... 02:34 i just accidentally walked out of the a w merch 02:35 ie, the shopkeeper didn't block my way, despite being near the exit 02:35 "Tommo! Please pay before leaving." 02:35 oopsie 02:35 did u aggro the shk 02:35 no :\ 02:35 im in the doorway 02:36 i guess i can drop it here?? 02:36 cant you go back inside 02:36 shopkeeper is standin there now 02:36 I've seen that when there was a grave on the doorway. 02:36 oh lol 02:36 hehe 02:36 no grave tho 02:36 Shopscammer 02:36 Maybe he's just slow. 02:36 i dont think so... 02:37 i offed a dwarf standin in the doorway 02:37 maybe that mucked it up 02:37 anyway, no one's aggro yet... 02:37 Are you fast? 02:37 how much u owe 02:38 uhhh 02:38 hehe 02:38 im in trouble now ^^; 02:38 uh oh 02:38 i just dropped it in the doorway 02:38 n stepped out 02:38 and then? 02:38 K 02:38 [tab]! 02:38 The doorway isn't good enough 02:39 but you can still pay the shopkeeper to make him go away. 02:39 guess not huh 02:39 in theory 02:41 welp, im a goner 02:43 it was weird tho! in the doorway, the items still had prices, i wasn't owing any $, and yet... dropping items there didn't save me. 02:43 so i took a step /with no items in hand/ and got alarmed 02:45 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:46 <@the_eternal_paradox> Couldn't you have thrown some of it back into the shop 02:46 tommo: I'd have fought the shopkeeper in that case, but yeah, that might be a bug. I've noticed that evil's shoppkeepers often start with a wand of sleep, so I would've chanced killing the shopkeeper if you had sleep resistance. 02:46 lol im level 3 02:46 n i was adjacent to a town watch :P 02:47 Ah, ha. Not a good combination! 02:47 i couldve thrown items into the shop, but i doubt that woulda helped 02:47 ... n some items were potions 02:47 It's not a bug. 02:48 it's... not much of a feature either tho 02:49 The shopkeeper isn't supposed to let you step there normally. 02:49 the part that got me was, the shopkeeper standing in my way, so that i couldn't step thru the doorway to drop off the items 02:49 Andrio: The bug is that they sometimes let you. I've had this happen as well. 02:49 yeah 02:49 I have once in vanilla. I'm not sure why. 02:52 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:52 Sounds like a vanilla bug, then, perhaps made more likely by having racial shopkeepers. 02:53 im horseperson, fwiw :P 02:54 im new 2 eh, i guess that could mean speed 02:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non), 107211 points, T:11514, killed by an ettin mummy 02:56 well, horses are quite a bit faster than humans 02:57 logically, id b sumwhere in between the two? 02:57 lol 02:57 (ps i escaped minetown!) 02:57 Good job! 03:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2814 points, T:3758, killed by an arrow 03:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 187 points, T:233, killed by a crossbow bolt 03:18 [hdf-us] [evil] Tommo (Mon Cen Fem Cha), 1532 points, T:1787, killed by a bolt of cold 03:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1077 03:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Tommo (Mon Dwa Fem Neu) murdered kitty, her faithful kitten, on T:354 03:21 >:] 03:22 <@the_eternal_paradox> That's why it's called Evil! 03:22 >:( 03:24 <@the_eternal_paradox> :D 03:24 And that is the eternal paradox. 03:26 [hdf-us] [evil] Tommo (Mon Dwa Fem Neu), 384 points, T:691, killed by a piranha 03:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1812 03:29 Oops. 03:31 evil i tell u 03:31 <@the_eternal_paradox> You see 03:32 >:( 03:36 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1217 points, T:2455, killed by a gnome 03:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 82 points, T:393, killed by a boulder 03:39 *sigh*. 03:40 :) chin up 03:40 u got this 03:41 This new game I started with a wand of polymorph, and then found a wand of polymorph. 03:41 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:42 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 03:42 dont cross the streams 03:43 * arahael always crosses the streams. 03:45 ok but 03:45 look both ways 03:45 else piranhas 03:47 I've oddly never had any difficulty with piranhas. 03:51 i have... 03:52 case in point, i just died 2 a piranha, n now im cornered by it again, in the bones file ^^; 03:52 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Tommo (Mon Gia Fem Law), 823 points, T:1210, killed by a piranha 03:54 !gt ; 03:55 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 03:55 hello 03:55 Hello rebatela, Welcome to #hardfought 03:55 thank you beholder 03:58 hello 03:58 Hello amateurhour, Welcome to #hardfought 04:00 whats good yo 04:00 coffee is pretty good 04:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:02 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 04:03 agreed 04:03 Coffee is the best 04:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:06 i have not played in a long time and opened my game and i'm like drowning in water or something i dont think i can move. wtf 04:07 i have pickaxe but if i dig here i definiely get wet 04:07 Pinkbeast: oh but what about tea 04:07 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:07 how would i end up here 04:07 and i dont mean that tetley teabags crap i mean teh good stuff 04:07 yo rebatela 04:07 hey 04:07 Hello rebatela, Welcome to #hardfought 04:08 hey aeoi. hey beholder again 04:08 aoie 04:08 aieo 04:08 whatever the fuck 04:08 yes those are also my alts 04:08 c: 04:08 well aoie i have reg'd for sure 04:08 im not sure about aieo 04:08 !rng tea | coffee 04:08 aoei: tea 04:08 WRONG ANSWER 04:09 * aoei makes some coffee and goes back out for more walkies 04:11 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 04:13 aoei: Cultural unstereotype, but I almost never drink tea. 04:18 well 04:18 that's an advantage 04:18 what about if you're having scones? 04:18 because you are unencumbered by bad british tea habits 04:18 also do you pronounce scones as scones or scones? 04:18 amateurhour: The former. 04:19 Pinkbeast: get some good loose leaf stuff and try very small infusions 04:19 less water is better bc you get more of the oily mouthfeel 04:19 british people have no clue we stole the tea from china and then drink it all wrong 04:21 like making it all bitter and then adding milk to hide the bitter 04:21 looooool 04:21 classic brit 04:21 tea fails 04:21 I hate bitter tea like that. English Breakfast is the worst. 04:21 english breakfast is ok if you dont oversteep it imo 04:21 But... Have you tried having tea the way some indians do? 04:21 i have some loose leaf english breakfast its fine 04:22 One of my (indian) colleagues used to make tea this way: 04:22 Get *two* teabags, dunk them in boiling water. Leave them in there... 04:22 i think my fav rn is the lapsang souchong i have 04:22 Then freaking *microwave* it, then finally add milk to it before removing the teabags. 04:22 wot 04:22 Comes out looking like actual coffee. 04:23 who are these crazy indian guys arahael 04:23 who you know 04:23 loool 04:23 This particular individual was a lady. 04:23 But she's not the only one who does it this way, the only common trend I've seen is that they're indian. 04:24 the teas and coffees I had in india at cafes and stuff had so much damn sugar in it was unreal 04:24 amateurhour: Have you ever tried vietnamese coffee - in vietnam? 04:25 They have so much suggar that when you stir it, and drink it all, there is still sugar left in the cup. 04:25 I have never been to vietnam, but I had a particularly sweet coffee in a vietnamese chain in the uk 04:25 I'm sure it would be even crazier actually in vietname 04:26 Especially when they see you're "american" (ie, not vietnamese or asian - the only other possibility is that you're american). 04:26 Americans have loads of money and have a very sweet tooth. 04:27 and also diabetes 04:27 and obesity 04:27 Sure, but that doesn't matter. ;) 04:28 arahael: "coffee milk tea" in thailand is wild 04:28 also insane amounts of sugar in that shit lol 04:28 aoei: I'm sure it is. Vietnam and Thai coffees aren't too dissimilar. 04:30 i've never been offered tea in my life... people do not drink tea here unless they like decide to randomly 04:30 Where's "here" again? 04:30 boston 04:30 lol 04:30 we smoke some shit tho lol ok going to bed 04:30 when i was in turkey we got offered free tea all the time 04:30 super sweet apple tea 04:30 was awesome 04:30 nice 04:31 one time i was in a restaurant idk if they were morrocans or what 04:31 but they had this awesome mint tea 04:31 it was super good 04:31 rebatela: Ah, interesting. So they offer you coffee instead? 04:32 i think the way it came up was we were talking about coffee being incredible :) 04:32 mint tea is minty 04:32 maybe bostoners have a historical aversion against tea 04:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1303 points, T:2527, killed by a piranha 04:33 stenno3: That's actually literally true. 04:33 in japan and hong kong i mostly drank roasted green tea 04:34 arahael: thatst why i said it like that :P 04:34 :) 04:35 don't remember which tea i drank in morocco 04:37 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 04:40 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:41 Woah. A scrolls shop with 11x5 scrolls. 04:41 here in northern germany we drink ostfriesetee 04:44 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:45 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 338 points, T:1416, killed by a giant bat 04:48 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non), 1988 points, T:1356, killed by a dwarf 05:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non), 73 points, T:42, killed by a sewer rat 05:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non), 0 points, T:6, killed by a grid bug 05:18 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 05:18 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:24 -!- stenno1 is now known as stenno 05:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2094 points, T:2921, killed by a dwarf lord 05:38 *sigh*, that dwarf lord had *2* fricking HP. 05:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 4705 points, T:2136, killed by a slightly wounded gargoyle 05:46 F 05:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 186 points, T:843, killed by a wounded hobbit 05:52 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Cav Hum Fem Law), 483 points, T:625, killed by a nearly deceased gnome, while praying 05:55 F 05:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:43416 06:01 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 129 points, T:502, killed by a nearly deceased giant rat 06:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 23766 points, T:7011, killed by a gnome king 06:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) wished for "Blessed Greased Fixed +3 Premium Heart", on T:4972 06:09 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:1351 06:12 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1541 06:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hea Swn Fem Neu) was given Mirror Brand, on T:3243 06:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1490 points, T:1732, killed by a death ray, while taking off clothes 06:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1517 06:16 hahaha 06:17 the water nymph stole a balsa wand. the water nymph zaps a balsa wand. the death ray hits you. 06:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:18 Tangles: You didn't take them off fast enough! 06:22 what a way to go 06:23 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed quervo1's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:743 06:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hea Swn Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4466 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 17584 points, T:1336, killed by a small mimic 06:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1561 points, T:1314, killed by an uninjured water demon 06:28 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:46005 06:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:31 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:34 what up folks 06:35 did i miss any epic deaths 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 10472 points, T:707, killed by a Ms. Aklavik, the shopkeeper 06:37 Tangles got robbed to death 06:38 oof 06:38 them sneaky nymph bishes 06:38 tricksy 06:39 amateurhour: im still trying to work out if i can ascend sub-5k or not 06:39 i sure hope so 06:39 I know you can 06:39 if i can scum for a wow in the first room 06:39 and not ascend sub 5k 06:39 i clearly am doing something wrong 06:39 rofl 06:39 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5443 points, T:4, quit 06:39 idk if a wow is a guaranteed sub-5k, sometimes the game can just shaft you 06:40 yea i guess 06:40 its probably never guaranteed 06:41 but sub-5k should be achievable given an early wow. in theory 06:41 with optimal strats 06:41 i think i should exploit levdrain if at all possible 06:41 to buy AC from the valley priest 06:42 stormy is no good for my purposes, but wizard can learn drain life 06:42 cast at self 06:42 probably works just as well 06:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) completed Sokoban, on T:8777 06:43 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 06:44 -!- tommo has quit [Client Quit] 06:44 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1137 06:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 961 points, T:769, killed by a shocking sphere 06:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hea Swn Fem Neu) was given Windrider, on T:8149 06:47 hm shit, who was it the other day with code links for the movement pts thing when you're hasted 06:47 im not 100% sure the wiki info checks out 06:53 * aoei sourcedives 06:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3273 points, T:1502, killed by a wounded fire ant 06:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:12664 07:05 On this episode of Mythbusters... 07:09 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hea Swn Fem Neu), 75533 points, T:12089, petrified by a cockatrice 07:10 lol andrio :) 07:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 203 points, T:438, killed by a goblin 07:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (And-Ana And Fem Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:49712 07:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Leeroy (Ana And Fem Neu), 850828 points, T:49734, killed by a parasitized embraced alider 07:17 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 32212 points, T:2242, killed by a watch captain 07:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:13072 07:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] hilliance (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:13262 07:23 yeah the wiki is wrong 07:23 but it's devil in the details and the wiki info averages out to the same result 07:23 like, wiki says guaranteed +6 movement points a turn if very fast, with an additional random chance thing 07:24 averaging out to effective speed 20 07:24 but the actual code gives you +12 on 2/3 turns 07:24 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2470 07:24 I remember puzzling over that in 199mumble 07:25 im correcting the wiki 07:25 because it is wrong 07:25 just checking to see what else is incorrect on the speed page 07:27 Is that actually the direct effect of being very fast, or just the result of the random rounding system? 07:27 maybe the flat +6 was the 343, with an additional +6 on certain turns was 343 behaviour, im not sure 07:27 It worked like that in 3.4.3 at least. 07:27 Andrio: its the direct result of fast/very fast 07:27 mm 07:28 Not that it'd make any difference. 07:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a tengu corpse, on T:3002 07:28 the code says if (Very_fast) { if (rn2(3) != 0) { moveamt += NORMAL_SPEED } } where normal speed is 12 07:28 and the comments in the code even say: /* gain a free action on 2/3 of turns */ 07:29 for very_fast, or /* gain a free action on 1/3 of turns */ for Fast 07:29 its also the same in both NetHack-3.7 and NetHack-3.6 current HEAD 07:29 probably some bits of wiki are just a little outdated bc 343 info 07:30 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 4509 points, T:3101, killed by an uninjured leocrotta 07:30 on average the result is the same, but the mechanic is changed a little 07:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3303 07:31 In 3.1.3 it's a fixed bonus AFAICT 07:33 Oddly it's random to some degree in 3.0.10 07:33 Changed in 3.3.0 it looks like 07:33 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6/src/allmain.c#L137 07:34 i fixed the wiki 07:34 to reflect what the code actually does 07:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Mal Neu) had a long sword entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:46773 07:36 yeah better stop derping around the altar 07:45 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 20829 points, T:5786, killed by a warhorse, while praying 08:05 [hdf-eu] 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invisible Mr. Lahinch; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 09:06 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh4] Sergio (ZlojSerge) (Wiz Elf Mal Law), 17829 points, T:1109, quit 09:11 -!- lxlldr has quit [Quit: Quit] 09:11 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 09:16 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 09:16 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 09:18 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Pri Dwa Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:55380 09:18 -!- lxlldr has quit [Client Quit] 09:18 -!- lxlldr has joined #hardfought 09:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:57996 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:57997 09:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:42760 09:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] blanda (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 8388 points, T:8868, killed by a watchman, while sleeping 09:35 <@the_eternal_paradox> uhh is it a bug if "you are waterproof" shows up twice in my enlightenment screen 09:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] blanda (Sam Gia Fem Law), 1341 points, T:2882, zombified by a kobold zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 09:36 <{Demo}> maybe you are extra waterproof 09:36 <{Demo}> but yeah that sounds like a bug 09:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:4810 09:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Filcher, on T:54383 09:44 <@the_eternal_paradox> hmmm strange 09:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:54596 09:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] blanda (Con Hob Fem Cha), 6126 points, T:3923, killed by a bolt of cold 09:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:55184 09:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:55186 10:00 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:00 <@Tone> aoei: That extrinsic speed thing is good to know, I didn't realize that had changed 10:01 i actually had this weird idea that very fast was a multiplier on polyform speed 10:01 but soemmbody here disabused me of this notion 10:01 which was never the case in 343 or now 10:02 dont remember who it was 10:04 <@Tone> I thought it was like that too, isn't that how it's described on the wiki? 10:04 nope, maybe there were previous more-wrong versions of wiki page 10:05 current page was a little wrong but i fixed it 10:05 <@Tone> Perhaps 10:06 <@Tone> So fast/very fast does the same thing to the player regardless of poly form? 10:06 <{Demo}> kind of at the point with the wiki where it's like "if you want to know how things in the game actually work, don't read the wiki, read the source" 10:06 tbf im still not 100% sure now how it did work in 343 10:06 <@Tone> It might be monsters themselves that are treated differently 10:06 well Tone 10:06 as an air E you would have 36 movement points 10:06 which is 3 moves a turn 10:06 if you're also hasted then 2/3 turns you get an additional move on top of that 10:07 just fast is the extra move on 1/3 of turns 10:07 you dont know on a given turn if you get teh bonus or not 10:08 <{Demo}> for tas there is no difference between fast and very fast 10:08 <{Demo}> for this reason 10:08 yes 10:08 if you can abuse the RNG to your hearts content you get the bonus always 10:09 i think some rng exploits like bumping walls are closed now 10:09 but i guess tas will have other ways 10:09 <@Tone> Yeah the way it used to be written (and maybe how it was in 343?), you would sometimes know when you were guaranteed an extra action because some of the speed points were guaranteed 10:10 yea you could also tell by the turn counter iirc 10:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] blanda (Ran Dro Fem Law), 5362 points, T:1667, killed by a malkuth sephirah 10:10 if you watched it closely you knew which moves were free 10:11 <@Tone> Well the turn counter wouldn't tell you until the current action is the second on a turn 10:11 hmmm right 10:11 was still quite abusable 10:11 somehow 10:12 interestingly the current system means tas can just force all partially fast monsters to be speed 12 10:12 if necessary 10:12 just dont let them ever have the extra turn 10:12 <@Tone> or give them an extra action every turn if needed 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2848 points, T:3129, killed by an uninjured priest of Set, while paralyzed by a monster 10:13 depending what you need yeah 10:14 <@the_eternal_paradox> hi there 10:14 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Speed#Extrinsic_speed_.28fast.29 so this page i fixed the info 10:14 i wonder if there are some other wrong things on the polyself pages or something 10:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Jilvane (Arc Hlf Fem Law) was given the Singing Sword, on T:59954 10:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 954 points, T:2376, killed by an uninjured gnome 10:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] arnibald (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:55524 10:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] blanda (Dro-Wiz Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3587 10:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] blanda (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 13144 points, T:3712, killed by a flaming sphere 10:31 <@the_eternal_paradox> will the Verdant Glyph do damage to Arsenal? cuz he's a golem 10:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] blanda (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 4118 points, T:93, killed by a piranha 10:34 <{Demo}> idk how the verdant glyph works im only allowed to roll chaos1 10:34 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 10:35