00:00 i wouldn't know 00:00 I forget that lutherans are half protestand half catholic lol 00:00 well.. 00:00 no, they are proper protestants 00:00 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:00 happy new year K2 00:00 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 00:00 or rather, we in the north are proper protestants', its called 'evangelisch' 00:01 thanks qt, you as well 00:01 qt: lutherans don't hold saints 00:01 well I mean compared to most protestants in the US which mostly call the intercession of saints devil worship 00:01 stuff that happened during the reformation and 30 years war, europe and especially german history is complicated 00:02 here in the north we don't take religion that seriously 00:02 and protestantism is considered a much relaxed denomination than catholicism 00:03 the old-fashioned rituals from catholicsm are dropped 00:04 church service is basically jsut the pastor telling some stories, and then we say paternoster and do the oblate and wine stuff and sing a few songs 00:05 whereas the catholics have like confession and frankinsense and ave maria and all that strange stuff 00:05 saying 'paternoster' is more old fashioned than the catholics after vatican II 00:05 i don't know the english term for it 00:05 i chose an 'international' term 00:05 its called 'Vaterunser' in german 00:05 our father? that's the translation from latin to english 00:06 yes 00:06 'lord's prayer' apparently in english 00:06 its a specific prayer 00:06 yeah 00:06 our father who art in heaven... 00:06 yeah 00:06 has been 20 years that i last visited a service outside christmas service lol 00:07 but i am still paying church taxes, maybe i should leave church 00:09 Taxen und Tot 00:10 its not that i believe in god or get any spiritual gain from all of this so might aswell leave it 00:11 Steuer und Absterben 00:11 9% of income tax 00:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2268 00:11 well taxes are special 00:11 NAOrsa: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Calendar_of_saints_(Lutheran) ? 00:11 I guess it's only in the US? 00:11 ni german and in any social market economy 00:12 i think lutherans are indeed different to protestants 00:12 maybe i got confused earlier because like luther was the one starting the whole reformation business so he's held in somewhat high regard 00:12 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Death_and_taxes_(idiom) 00:13 ah it must be either some feudal middle age saying or something from the US 00:13 in this case, from the US 00:13 Let's not forget mister Kalvin! 00:13 yes 00:14 but based on luther 00:14 thank god for luther, the world would be a worse place without him i am sure 00:14 people suffering in the 30 years war might disagree 00:15 anyway, i don't actually want to get into any religious debate especially in this channel, sorry for that lol 00:15 qt: I don't know about the Lutherans in USA 00:15 drunk rambling 00:15 they might be heretical.. 00:15 heretical is really a stupid term 00:15 Surely Martin Luther himself believed in the intercession of saints 00:15 heretical depending on which view? 00:16 martin luther also believed that the jews were evil 00:16 like he was a proper antisemite and thats not cool at all 00:16 so nowadays he looked at much more differenciated 00:16 he's 00:16 but that only really started in the 60s or 70s lol 00:17 i never prayed to any saint or anything 00:17 maybe to the mother of jesus 00:17 mary 00:17 but she is basically holy by association 00:17 isn't that strange lol 00:18 so is Jesus brother Jakob 00:18 imagine being joseph, and you come home one day, and your wife tells you she is pregnant 00:18 and you are like, wtf we didn't fuck in the last months 00:18 neither of them belong to a holy trinity 00:18 pray to saint isidore stenno, he is the saint of computers 00:18 and she is like, it was like a holy spirit 00:18 and you are like, oh, ok, that must be it then 00:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Pri Hum Fem Law), 278 points, T:1249, killed by a slightly wounded small mimic 00:18 imagine being mary 00:18 ada lovelace is the saint of computers :) 00:18 peace be with you, god gave you preggers 00:19 he won't be around to assist with childbirth or anything, have fun 00:19 previous to the annunciation mary was a subscriber to reddit/r/childfree 00:19 real bummer tbh 00:19 yeah what a dick 00:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Ran Orc Fem Cha) was given Hammerfeet, on T:3524 00:20 ok guys I'm pretty drunk and I'm tired so I'm going to sleep 00:20 too bad she died so young.. 00:20 happy new year all 00:20 Ada 00:21 gn qt 00:21 sleep tight :) 00:21 Night 00:21 sleep well 00:21 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 00:21 don't let the bedbugs bite :) 00:21 qt thanks for the script, and for all the spl patches 00:22 sorry i didn't want to trash-talk anyones faith, it was not appropriate 00:22 i know quite some people, also some people in this channel who take their faith seriously 00:23 i'm sure there was'nt any serious harm done :) 00:24 we can switch the subject to your next speedrun 00:24 !beer stenno 00:24 NAOrsa: Burrrrp! 00:25 bbiabv 00:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Ran Orc Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed +3 Blue Dragon Scale Mail", on T:4686 00:32 Yeah I think I'm dead 00:33 Pressed the wrong goddamn direction 00:33 But I'm pretty sure I was done at that point 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 9221 points, T:10065, killed by a dwarf 00:34 First of many to come 00:34 Anyway. 00:34 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 00:37 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 00:43 dwarfs are hard, nasty ill gotten folk 00:43 !lastgame Umbire 00:43 NAOrsa: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/U/Umbire/nethack/dumplog/1583138728.nh.html 00:44 Nah, got hit too many times, tried to escape upstairs and then a leocrotta came may was 00:44 decided I'd rather take my chances down there, didn't work out 00:44 my way* 00:45 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 00:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:47 being burdened does give gnomes and dwarfes ample more turns to hit? 00:48 leocrottas are nasty as well.. 00:48 do they even bite and claw at the same time? 00:48 like two or three attacks maybe? 00:49 Usually 2-3, and honestly sheer volume of monsters and the hits through 0 AC, dunno if it would've made *enough* difference 00:50 but alas, the poor Herman the second survived.. and mines are bone egliblible no? 00:51 or if bones are switched off from #options, i guess you don't ever leave them behind even 00:52 Yes, bones are enabled and I know what to expect when/if I get back there 00:53 The dwarf picks up 5 daggers. 00:53 thats a stack of +5 daggers there 00:53 ...don't think that's what +5 means 00:53 i bet the +5 comes to THAC0 as well 00:54 +5 to THAC0 *AND* to Damage 00:57 well, the dwarf never wielded them so they could just be some cursed -1 daggers too.. 00:57 .____ 00:57 :V 00:57 well time to farm up money for this giant fuck-off bookstore I found 00:58 oh you just hopped right back to saddel? 00:58 I mean yeah? 00:58 thats the spirit! 00:59 i bet there has to be lots of mimics in there lurking 00:59 at least 2 or three :) 00:59 Altar to convert early, good 01:00 conversion isn't always succesful 01:00 but i guess priestesses get a bonus to that? 01:01 I have create monster, just a matter of having enough Pw 01:01 also I've been playing a couple years now lol 01:01 actually ascended gurr port last week 01:01 way to go! 01:01 gongrats =) 01:01 playing on mobile must be terrible 01:02 No? 01:02 stenno i was afraid you drank too much weißbier and went unconcious 01:02 only thing terrible about it is my finger size 01:03 i drink pils, not weissbier 01:03 i am in the north, not south 01:03 did you abandon your kamerad to his lair and retrieved safely at your dwellings? 01:03 eyah 01:05 lucky Umbire! the priestess is still vegan )= 01:05 <3 01:05 :U 01:11 if you retrieve back to the corridor, only the kobold can hit you 01:11 the cunning fox, which is slow, cannot bite :) 01:12 You really don't need to backseat me every step of the way. 01:12 sorry, i'm bit drunk, will remain silent <3 01:23 ? 01:23 Well, that ain't good, might need a recovery 01:26 i am too wasted to start another game 01:26 more tomorrow maybe 01:26 it's okay stenno 01:26 let's give it a rest 01:27 7:30 am here 01:27 guten morgen 01:27 lot's of snow? 01:27 no, nothng 01:31 there we go, that sorted itself 01:32 stenno1: funny how you mentioned possibly playing fh in the future and your last US game is fh :P 01:33 \o/ 01:33 !whiskey FIQ 01:33 * Beholder pours FIQ a shot of Johnnie Walker Red whiskey, prayed over by Arsinoe at 52 Kelvin. 01:34 hi NAOrsa 01:34 FIQ: that was probably years ago 01:34 or maybe during junethack idk 01:34 2017 yes 01:35 spicycebolla: y u keel me 01:35 i ded 01:36 * Umbire flops 01:36 * spicycebolla blows smoke off the finger guns 01:37 be nice if my str wasn't (relatively) piss 01:41 oooooooh 01:41 altar room 01:43 <{Demo}> don't die 01:46 Just a matter of timing the prayer 01:46 Problem is what now 01:46 ohi rock piercer 01:49 is there coaligned altar in altar room Umbire ? 01:49 One of each rsa 01:50 lucky you =) 01:50 good for priestess \o/ 01:53 huh, "cloud of smoke" for neutrals is new, seems like 02:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2849 02:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:2999 02:19 tinning kit :pogchamp: 02:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Pri Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3725 02:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +2 boots of speed", on T:28220 02:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3767 02:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3848 02:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Pri Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5143 02:58 matt colville is playing nethack live on youtube 02:59 "You identify this as an identify scroll." 02:59 Real fuckin' funny >:[ 02:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5743 03:00 No changes to destroy armor yet, right? 03:01 i don't recall any 03:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:5899 03:01 cool, safely selling then 03:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5180 03:04 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:29184 03:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:29191 04:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:12683 04:33 Why am I constantly bumping into doors and tripping over my own feet? I'm *not* wearing fumble boots... Ah... dlvl 1 is icey. 04:33 *icy 04:34 <@p0werm0de> 1st decembre hangover 04:34 <@p0werm0de> eh january 04:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:15026 04:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:15037 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:15046 04:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:44936 05:00 holy fuck MF DOOM died 05:00 holy fucking fuck 05:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:33099 05:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:33113 05:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Priestess, on T:15550 05:14 Hmm. Cursed -1 dragonhide levitation boots. Intriguing... 05:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2144 points, T:1376, killed by a saber-toothed tiger 05:16 *one hit*! 05:16 Yikes 05:18 do not stand still, boast yo skills close but no krills, toast for po'nils, post no bills, coast-to-coast joe shmoe's flows ill, go chill, not supposed to overdose no-doz pills 05:19 That's a double bones now, btw. 05:20 (There's also a mumak on that, that has already had 30+ darts) 05:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1016 points, T:657, killed by an elven king 05:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33429 05:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:17153 05:37 Other than a wand of wishing, what's the best wand in the game? I'm going to propose the simple digging wand. 05:40 polymorph 05:41 You reckon? 05:41 I like digging because it's nearly the most reliable get-out wand. 05:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:47258 05:42 Maybe if you have poly control? 05:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:47265 05:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed Daemon, on T:34450 05:43 polypiling 05:43 I'll conceed that probably places it between a wand of wish, and a wand of dig, then. :) 05:44 polypiling is almost broken 05:44 Yeah? 05:44 it can save you a lot of wishes 05:44 so it can be considered a poor persons' wow 05:45 I'm not very good at polypiling. 05:46 -!- aoei\teamsplat is now known as aoei 05:46 -!- aoei is now known as Stella 05:47 -!- Stella is now known as aoei 05:48 hey stenno1 o/ 05:51 hi 05:51 Hello stenno1, Welcome to #hardfought 05:53 mf doom died 05:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:47881 05:54 i just woke up 05:54 did you get some sleep also? 05:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Vam Fem Non), 2080905 points, T:39300, quit 06:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34909 06:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:34957 06:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:35129 06:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed the creature in the ice, on T:35196 06:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:4368 06:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:20329 06:16 a few hours 06:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:35740 06:23 i guess i didn't sleep super long either 06:23 but still about 6 hours so its fine 06:23 6 hours seems to be p normal for me these days 06:23 * aoei is an old lady 06:27 Hmph. Absolutely no way I can get that luckstone from mines ends - sewers variant. There's a soldier, *four* cockroaches, and who knows what, all right next to the stairs. 06:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) wished for "blessed +1 white dragon scale shield", on T:35876 06:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) destroyed Death, on T:35942 06:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non), 4 points, T:54, killed by a water moccasin 06:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law), 5477274 points, T:35976, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1609414107.dnh.txt 06:36 grats malor 06:36 *sigh*. Negative alignment again. 06:36 got an ip for a ctf 06:36 any general tips? 06:36 <@malor> thanks. 06:36 ctf? 06:36 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wargame_(hacking) 06:38 With negative alignment, can one still offer sacrifices? 06:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non), 78 points, T:733, killed by a jackal 06:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:45808 06:42 Well, turned out I was only very slightly negative, when I got back to the altar again, I was positive again, so all good. 06:42 happy new year arahael 06:42 aoei: Happy new year. :) 06:43 i need coffee and stat 06:43 aoei: Hopefully this year will be the exact opposite of the last year. 06:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 dragonbane", on T:5798 06:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 949 points, T:1732, killed by a wounded wererat 06:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 20559 points, T:5836, killed by a magic missile, while praying 06:47 Idiot. 06:48 I forgot I was still weilding the ****'ing lamp when I hit the owner of that dragon bane 8 times. 06:48 G'night! 06:49 night! 06:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non), 521 points, T:2557, killed by a gnome 06:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non), 33 points, T:92, killed by a newt 06:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non), 0 points, T:34, killed by a sewer rat 06:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1092 06:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non), 270 points, T:2017, killed by a kobold 07:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Curate, on T:23381 07:14 !who 07:14 aoei: [hdf-us] Karnac [nh370] Alex [nh370] Alasnuyo [dnh] malor [dnh] Abdlabl [dnh] | [hdf-eu] pondlife [nh370] spontiff [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 07:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:7385 07:21 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 434 points, T:594, killed by an uninjured goblin 07:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4788 07:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non), 10104 points, T:5329, died of starvation 07:34 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 277 points, T:1333, killed by a wounded gnome lady 07:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non), 0 points, T:10, killed by a sewer rat 07:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Sam Hum Mal Law), 814 points, T:536, killed by an uninjured gnome 07:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6068 07:52 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 07:55 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 07:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5787 08:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 943 points, T:645, killed by a killer bee 08:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Dro Fem Non), 9151 points, T:6761, killed by a gnome 08:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) had a wooden scale mail entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:7437 08:08 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:42979 08:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7550 08:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 11328 points, T:7613, killed by a winter wolf cub, while praying 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Canoness, on T:27764 08:20 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 08:21 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 08:21 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:22 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 08:29 !coffee 08:29 * Beholder delivers nabru a glass of spiced rum, conjured by the late Pinobot at 54 degrees Celsius. 08:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:25834 08:32 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 836 points, T:1815, killed by a wounded dwarf 08:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Lama, on T:29034 08:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Premium Heart", on T:7862 08:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:26245 08:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 244 points, T:638, killed by an uninjured bat 08:40 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:43978 08:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Matriarch, on T:29632 08:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:8261 08:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +5 tiny bone pick axe", on T:26807 08:48 !tell qt grats on bones msg pr merge 08:48 No worries, aosdict, I've got this! 08:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:30033 08:49 which pr was that actually 09:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pondlife (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4806 09:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Cha) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:27905 09:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 09:05 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 09:07 yoooooooo happy new year, first day of work post-vacation for me today and for the first time ever I got into a police stop :P 09:07 happy new year amy 09:08 hi aoei *heart bundle*! :) 09:08 :) 09:08 one thing I absolutely want to know: what slex page is Umbire trying to create? 09:08 i have no idea 09:08 (shouldn't slex pages be made by someone who has at least played a few games of slex? :P ) 09:09 do oyu ahve any more contextual information 09:09 is it a wiki page or what 09:09 not really, just backscroll that he "wants to get started on that slex page", whichever one it is 09:09 yeah nethackwiki 09:09 huh ok 09:10 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 09:10 and correct me if I'm wrong, but his slex experience basically amounts to "oh huh, weird game, what do you do there... WHAT? #quit" :P 09:10 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 09:10 well who knows 09:10 there are other ways to get info about a game 09:10 maybe he canvassed actual players 09:10 or studied the source code 09:11 hopefully he joins before I have to go to bed, because then I can interrogate him myself :P 09:12 isn't this about the tropes pages, not the nethack wiki? 09:12 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3032 09:12 oh? well could be 09:13 mobileuser: oh yeah, that sounds right 09:13 Umby was talking about allthetropes and stuff 09:13 and also linked this one with quotes from the nhqdb 09:14 so the slex one will consist of quotes that make it sound like the game was a constant acid trip? :P 09:15 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3161 09:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3240 09:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:10910 09:23 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 170 points, T:503, killed by a bear trap 09:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Pir Elf Fem Cha) wished for "Whisperfeet", on T:1372 09:27 in my opinion, an acid trip is a lot more fun 09:27 but in fairness i haven't spent nearly as much time playing slex as I have tripping on acid 09:28 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:44867 09:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Pir Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 black dragon scale mail", on T:1684 09:42 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:43 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 09:47 hey I've played slex for more than a few hours I'll make a slex page for you 09:47 All hope abandon ye who enter here. Through me you pass into the city of woe 09:47 :D 09:47 lol :D 09:52 well whoever first makes such a slex page should link it to me so that I can laugh too :) 09:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Cha) was given the Grappler's Grasp, on T:31034 09:54 Amy did you watch Dinner for One at midnight with your roommate, as is tradition? 09:55 uhh no? was trying to sleep, and since I had grown unused to going to bed so early, I failed... but then I did fall asleep eventually 09:55 O_O 09:55 you were trying to sleep at midnight on NYE?? 09:55 you're no fun :± 09:55 :C 09:56 well I had to get up at 6 AM today 09:56 why so early 09:56 isn't it a Feiertag 09:56 did you have to work :O 09:56 of course! there are no weekends and no holidays for me :P yesterday was my last day of vacation and from now on until mid december I'll have to go to work again 09:57 oof 09:57 big oof 09:57 i am sick of perpetual vacation tho 09:57 i need a feckin job 09:57 or rather, I have the privilege of being allowed to work again :D could be worse, could be an event manager or hotel director or something else that cannot work normally at all during corona 09:57 i gues 09:58 apply for a job as interviewer, I regularly also get passenger question sheets for Hamburg so they're definitely doing interviews there too :D 09:58 they'd probably even let me do interviews there if I wanted to 09:58 LarienTelrunya: what kind of work do you do? 09:58 dk657: I'm interviewing passengers on public trains 09:59 and yes, I know, corona and blah. thankfully we're currently allowed to do our work :) 09:59 what for?? 09:59 Deutsche Bahn (german railway association), they do that for statistical reasons 09:59 germans are super exact people, big fans of statistics. they want that data :P 10:01 neat! 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful human zombie, on T:35255 10:01 i wonder what they do with it 10:01 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:45909 10:01 i study statistics, and i know a lot of data is collected and then just sort of decays because nobody knows exactly what to do with it 10:02 well that I don't know either, but my official explanation when passengers ask me is "they use it to improve the quality of their service and maybe deploy additional trains or offer new types of tickets" 10:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Quicksilver", on T:12930 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of High Priestess, on T:35386 10:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Pir Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5213 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Nalzok, on T:35748 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35749 10:35 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 10:35 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:39 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 10:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Initiate, on T:3221 10:44 just read about the police stop I got into today: apparently a woman was murdered in that city :O 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 2729 points, T:3976, killed by a falling rock 10:46 <{Demo}> uh oh 10:50 morning :P 10:50 happy new years all 10:51 <{Demo}> i think that the best way to celebrate a new year is to go to bed at like 8:30 10:51 <{Demo}> my friend did that and his year has been way better than mine so far 10:51 happy new year K2 and also to your cute daughter *fleece bundle* :) 10:53 heh 10:54 last couple years we had gone to bed before midnight, this year we stayed up 10:54 seemed important, make sure 2020 went away 10:59 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 11:00 <@p0werm0de> is there any problem with hardfought.eu online tileset 3.7 ? 11:00 <@p0werm0de> i didnt change anything but doesnt work 11:00 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/794595969211039754/unknown.png 11:01 with the latest updates, new tileset is in order i think 11:05 making it now 11:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:08 are you telling me it's not supposed to look like that? 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1540 11:13 <@p0werm0de> :> 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:37148 11:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed the creature in the ice, on T:53513 11:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed the invisible Leviathan, on T:53543 11:23 fixed 370-hdf tileset on hdf-us 11:24 working on other 2 11:25 always with the us server favouritism 11:25 https://i.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/025/382/Screen_Shot_2018-02-06_at_3.37.14_PM.png 11:29 @p0werm0de try tileset now for 370-hdf 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:37749 11:37 <@p0werm0de> nice 11:37 <@p0werm0de> thy 11:37 <@p0werm0de> eh no doesnt work yet 11:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed Baphomet, on T:53765 11:42 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 11:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:7419 11:44 you may need to refresh your browser cache 11:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 2398 points, T:3417, killed by an elven dagger 11:48 <@p0werm0de> yep now works again thx 11:49 <@p0werm0de> pure beauty 11:49 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/794608297188524042/unknown.png 11:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:16385 11:51 \o/ 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:38150 11:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:38159 11:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:16410 11:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 63 points, T:273, killed by an uninjured water demon 11:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) murdered Beyonce, her faithful hezrou, on T:9 11:58 oof @Luxidream rip 12:00 <@luxidream> that game was so stupid 12:00 <@luxidream> got forced back like 4 times on asmo 12:00 what happened? 12:00 damn 12:00 i already splatted a scummy wow alt and it was fully my fault lmao 12:00 <@luxidream> had bad rng on the force before that too 12:00 ouch 12:01 <@luxidream> ate a giant mummy corpse, but the wizard cursed my unihorn, I pulled out extra healing but died immediately 12:01 i splatted a first room wow to a kobold mummy on like dl4 lmao 12:01 ouch 12:01 <@luxidream> it was slow anyway but still tilted 12:05 ugh im procrastinating on important NHS fixes 12:05 but i just wanna play nethack :c 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Shan Lai Ching, on T:38585 12:06 <@p0werm0de> go play 12:06 <@p0werm0de> its holiday 12:06 yes sir! 12:06 and or madam idk 12:07 but it's the do-nothing-but-nhs december tournament 12:07 amateurhour: oh, it is ! wait 12:07 oh 12:07 it's not december 12:07 AH 12:07 it's january now 12:07 HA* 12:07 jokes on you 12:07 you're free! 12:07 yay! 12:07 how tf is it 2021 already 12:07 idk 12:07 Especially since 2020 lasted about a decade. 12:08 <@p0werm0de> year didnt have much goin for it 12:08 but thank fuck **** is behind us 12:08 don't say its name you only give it power D: 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:38588 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:38590 12:08 <@p0werm0de> ppl still casually genociding 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:38591 12:09 <{Demo}> i was having fun with december 12:09 <{Demo}> kind of not ready for january 12:10 You hear a booming voice. "So you thought you could kill me, fool.". 2020 hits! 12:10 yeah they don't give a shit, just genociding left right and ...semicolon 12:10 nabru: D: 12:10 I THOUGHT IT WAS DEAD 12:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:17192 12:14 today is 2020-13-01 12:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3425 12:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] monstergrin (Nob Vam Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:21556 12:16 D: 12:16 * misha points at bhaak, then curses 12:16 rofl 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 91 points, T:296, killed by a nearly deceased grid bug 12:19 <@p0werm0de> nearly deceased 12:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class Z, on T:39083 12:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3922 12:19 <@nabru> !lastgame quervo1 12:19 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/quervo1/nethack/dumplog/1609521281.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/q/quervo1/nethack/dumplog/1607288202.nh.html 12:19 <@nabru> I'm surprised someone can die to a grid bug 12:21 The small chance of shock damage makes them not entirely trivial. 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:39141 12:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 328 points, T:597, killed by an uninjured water demon 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4377 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4381 12:23 <@p0werm0de> anyone have an evilhack RC i can import 12:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 258 points, T:894, killed by a nearly deceased hobgoblin 12:24 mobileuser is the number one evilhack player, maybe theirs would be good to steal 12:25 <@p0werm0de> kk 12:29 p0werm0de: if I were you, I would probably just copy a vanilla rc file, and then fix any complaints evilhack makes 12:29 (assuming you already have a vanilla rc you like) 12:38 <@p0werm0de> ye i did that having an RC file from ToneHack but now again tiles dont work ~~ 12:39 ah, the tiles thing. I see. 12:41 my RC is very boring, I am more of a "accept all defaults" player 12:42 <@p0werm0de> ye i saw it no guud 12:42 yup, completely stinks :b 12:42 it looks like hothraxxa's has a few customisations for windowing or something 12:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 109756 points, T:14366, petrified by trying to tin a cockatrice without gloves 12:44 <@p0werm0de> hothraxxa on eu or us 12:44 us (ie, www) 12:44 us. i have many customizations for menucolors 12:44 although i should check that my evilhack rc is up to date 12:45 eg that stormy shows up megenta when wielded 12:45 mafgenta 12:45 magentra 12:45 purply 12:45 pinkish 12:46 oh wow, nice idea 12:46 cleaver also deserves a special color 12:46 i don't have cleaver included but yes 12:47 and my evilhack rc doesn't seem to be up to date. i shall commence to fixing it 12:47 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/794622950468354049/unknown.png 12:53 fixed i think 12:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Mal Neu) had a steel throwing spear entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:5060 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] p0werm0de (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:6, killed by an uninjured water demon 13:02 <@p0werm0de> w0rld record fastsplat 13:03 <@p0werm0de> dunno somehow evil doesnt work with tiles for me back to 3.7 13:03 <@p0werm0de> updated rc twice. it looks fine for console but doesnt take my options=vt_tileset 13:03 <@p0werm0de> the hothraxxa one. looks good if yu wanna play console evilhack 13:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Mal Neu) had an opera cloak entrusted to him by Ishtar, on T:5208 13:05 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 13:06 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Shan Lai Ching, on T:42998 13:09 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 13:10 -!- oh7 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:12 amateurhour: great news, the upcoming slex 2.70 will make astral vision into a proper trinsic and adds double astral vision, which your eth monk will be able to gain by getting the quest artifact :D 13:12 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 13:13 <{Demo}> amy I'll play slex when u rebase onto 3.7 13:13 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed krm26's ghost, the former Roamer, on T:47506 13:13 {Demo}: your loss if you don't play it, I'm not dependant on you playing it :P 13:14 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:14 @p0werm0de: i don't use tiles. but i don't see why that shouldn't work 13:17 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2508 points, T:4519, killed by a crocodile 13:18 <{Demo}> be careful amy or I'll make a type of ice block 13:18 hahaha :P 13:19 are you going to chuck that at me? 13:19 <{Demo}> what ever happened to porkhack 13:19 3 commits and dead 13:19 ^^ 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 213 points, T:543, killed by an uninjured hobbit 13:21 there's a gnollhack-shaped hole in the hardfought variant list 13:21 the best strategy in porkhack is to wish for the base item of porkman's new artifact and name that :P 13:21 hmm it's january. soon time to update the variant graph 13:22 amateurhour: you know, I still find it sad that the hardfought page announcement for last junethack said "and a new variant, gnollhack" instead of just "and a new variant" :P 13:23 brevishack for junethack tbhimo imotbh 13:23 also amateurhour what do you think of my double astral vision idea? 13:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:19249 13:23 interesting, how would most things get intrinsic astral vision? 13:24 not at all normally, but temporarily via a new spell that still has to be added 13:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:18718 13:24 however, as an eth or ico you'll already have it intrinsically, and then it can stack with the QA 13:24 what does double astral vision actually do? 13:25 well you know how regular astral vision has a range of 3 squares? double astral vision increases it to 4! isn't that awesome? :D 13:25 [hdf-eu] [dnh] SeamusMcRed (Brd Inc Mal Cha), 1033 points, T:1718, died of starvation 13:25 lol 13:27 <{Demo}> amy, double means 2x 13:27 yep, wizmode tested, double astral vision really works! 13:27 <{Demo}> not +1 13:27 lol {Demo} :P think about how powerful an extra square of vision is! 13:28 <{Demo}> the etherealoid source material has their astral vision range scale with xlvl 13:28 ^and it's epic 13:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:19406 13:28 <{Demo}> 3 + xplvl/7 floored 13:29 well the extra square allows you to use the ether penetrator artifact polearm effectively, because it can poke things at a distance of up to four squares, where regular astral vision won't be enough to light up a max-distance target square but double astral vision will! 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh343] Helios (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 954 points, T:3023, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 13:32 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1329 points, T:3122, killed by a gnomish wizard 13:33 one of my shittier evilhack games :( 13:33 dog died on turn 3 and it was downhill from there 13:33 <{Demo}> trap? 13:33 pit 13:33 <{Demo}> :( 13:34 went into the mines, two trapdoors later i'm at minetown, gnomish wizard fireballs me and all my potions explode: dead 13:35 :/ 13:35 rip 13:36 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 709 points, T:1890, killed by a giant spider 13:38 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 13:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 31 points, T:41, killed by an uninjured goblin 13:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:19988 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] rip (Bar Cen Mal Cha), 0 points, T:4, killed by a water moccasin 13:42 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:45251 13:49 "The plains centaur's leather studded armor blocks Vita Fidelia's attack" 13:49 centaurs wear barding or something? 13:49 (evilhack) 13:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) became the Glory of Eequor, on T:20504 13:50 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 108 points, T:318, killed by a fox 13:51 Maybe they wear armour on their upper bodies. 13:52 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 96 points, T:424, killed by a fox 13:53 nobody wears pants in the dungeons 13:55 this explains a lot! 13:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "test", on T:6076 13:56 or, at the very least, it explains the centaur with armor 13:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Mal Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:6191 13:58 aaargh 13:59 I thought those things always started cursed 14:00 hopefully this thing can rust 14:02 i dunno if you knew this lux but the aim of the game is actually to not die 14:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 189 points, T:554, killed by an uninjured hobbit 14:03 uh hello??? 14:03 "Your helm of opposite alignment rusts away!" but I am still lawful?? 14:04 time for a sternly worded letter 14:04 oh dear lol 14:05 ahh that's epic 14:05 it's uh kind of a neat bug 14:05 can you rust away a helm of brilliance and keep the bonus? 14:05 if you want to be fake permaconverted lol 14:05 amateurhour: hahahah 14:05 that'd be sweet 14:06 i learned long ago the hard way that they can start uncursed 14:07 heh 14:10 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 14:11 if they always started uncursed, much hilarity would be prevented. 14:12 * tinklebear endorses maximal hilarity 14:12 < amateurhour> can you rust away a helm of brilliance and keep the bonus? 14:12 I can confirm this is the case 14:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:21591 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:45599 14:13 * tinklebear meant "always started cursed", ftr 14:17 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 547 points, T:1433, killed by a wounded giant bat 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:46405 14:28 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 14:28 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 930 points, T:1833, exterminated by a rope golem, while fainted from lack of food 14:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15398 14:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 592 points, T:1469, killed by an uninjured rothe, while frozen by a potion 14:48 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Stepper, on T:2013 14:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Arc Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1458 14:51 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Shuffler, on T:2540 14:54 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2725 14:55 [hdf-eu] [spl] SeamusMcRed (Pir Mer Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a falling rock 14:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:23429 14:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) killed Oona, on T:23552 14:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:23680 14:57 [hdf-eu] [spl] SeamusMcRed (Pir Mer Mal Neu), 79 points, T:224, taken down by a jackal 15:02 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3783 15:03 [hdf-eu] [spl] SeamusMcRed (Pir Orc Mal Cha), 115 points, T:438, eliminated by a jackal 15:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:31426 15:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 9825 points, T:6889, killed by a wounded leocrotta 15:05 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3914 15:06 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a copper square amulet on an altar, on T:3918 15:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 4 points, T:40, killed by an uninjured water demon 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Cav Hum Mal Law), 1405 points, T:3017, killed by an uninjured hill orc, while fainted from lack of food 15:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:31909 15:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 164 points, T:296, killed by an uninjured water moccasin 15:15 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Player, on T:4043 15:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Arc Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3125 15:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:32337 15:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 2123 points, T:3158, killed by an uninjured gelatinous cube 15:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Nelennath (Kni Hum Fem Cha) had a mithril dwarvish spear entrusted to her by Manannan Mac Lir, on T:4294 15:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 340 points, T:1546, killed by a wounded small mimic 15:23 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 7695 points, T:4181, eliminated by a wallaroo, while praying 15:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Arc Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:574 15:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:32499 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2889 15:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Arc Gno Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 grayswandir", on T:749 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3079 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a triangular amulet on an altar, on T:3192 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 872 points, T:4241, killed by a slightly wounded wererat 15:36 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] SeamusMcRed (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 1178 points, T:2239, killed by a boulder 15:37 [hdf-us] [evil] Nelennath (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 3612 points, T:5152, killed by a dwarf queen 15:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Arc Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2385 15:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed the invisible Daemon, on T:54805 15:49 <@p0werm0de> new statues lookin baller 15:49 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/794668627873234994/unknown.png 15:49 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Cav Ske Mal Law), 18482 points, T:3300, killed by a monster (sharp sandman), while fainted from lack of food 15:49 <@p0werm0de> also i lucked out with early wand of wishing 15:50 nice one p0werm0de 15:51 <@p0werm0de> so now identify it first before trying 3rd use? 15:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) killed Father Dagon, on T:24892 15:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Fem Cha) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:24897 15:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:50766 15:58 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1634 points, T:2870, poisoned by a rotted goblin shaman corpse 16:03 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a pair of combat boots entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:4326 16:05 +4 jumping 16:05 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Sla Oct Mal Law), 198 points, T:531, killed by a monster (jaguar) 16:06 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:06 amateurhour: lol nice 16:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:50874 16:12 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:13 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 16:13 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 16:18 just finished my first CTF!! 16:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:5927 16:19 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:20 nice one stenno1 ! 16:21 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 16:22 :D :D 16:22 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a long sword entrusted to him by The Lady, on T:5313 16:22 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Fem Hep Mal Cha), 171 points, T:564, killed by a cannonball 16:23 1337 h4xx0r 16:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 212 points, T:605, killed by an uninjured coyote 16:24 -!- tommo has quit [Client Quit] 16:25 what is a CTF 16:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:25 capture the flag wargaming 16:25 ah nice 16:26 wargaming as in like computer servers (or probably VMs)? 16:26 yeah 16:27 nice 16:27 i played stuff like that some years back a little 16:27 is it a public wargaming site where you did it? 16:28 i was trying to find some recently 16:29 yeah but its php 16:30 the one i did find had several servers with like a series of levels 16:30 where each one was some kind of vuln program 16:30 level1 on one of them was a python program 16:30 i couldn't figure out what was wrong with it just by looking at the source 16:30 but i also didn't spend very long on it 16:30 but this is perhaps not quite the same as CTF 16:30 CTF im imagining something a bit different 16:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33162 16:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33163 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +3 gauntlets of dexterity", on T:51640 16:34 well it was a bit like that 16:34 ah cool, 16:34 do you have a link? 16:35 192.46.227.32 16:35 there is a txt file on it with the flag code 16:36 huh interesting 16:36 is there not some website with links to multiple of these 16:36 or is it a standalone CTF 16:36 of some kind 16:36 yes its a weekly event 16:36 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3580 points, T:6061, killed by a gnome lord, while praying 16:36 oh so always the same IP? 16:36 https://ctftime.org/ 16:36 ahh ok 16:36 no, don't think so, dunno 16:37 thanks 16:37 i just learned about this this morning lol 16:37 stenno1 | https://ctftime.org/ <-- this is what i was after :P 16:37 oh lol 16:37 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:37 stenno1: should i try to ascend sub-5k 16:38 do we want to go in a team so i can submit my thing? 16:38 sure if you like 16:38 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 16:39 this event will be over on sunday then i think 16:39 but maybe next week we can power a bit 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:51716 16:40 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2777 16:43 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:46 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:01 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 6302 points, T:5701, eliminated by a mountain centaur 17:02 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 8 points, T:53, taken down by a fox 17:05 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:48798 17:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:52532 17:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2469 17:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1425 points, T:2493, killed by an uninjured rope golem 17:10 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 17:14 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:49061 17:15 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2827 17:19 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=T_3wjvGiWTU 17:20 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 2409 points, T:3238, dispatched by a panther 17:22 stenno1: maybe yea how does this teams thing work 17:22 stenno1: lol i have an alt saved with castle wow t:617 17:22 looks promising 17:22 need to figure out wtf to do till quest XD 17:22 sounds 17:22 i dont have a lot of scrolls, thats the only thing 17:23 also don't know whether castle wow is 0:1, 0:2 or 0:3 yet 17:23 and my initial wow is burnt rofl 17:23 stenno1: i arrived at castle xl1 17:23 there was a nearby minotaur 17:23 but i landed near moat, scared the mino with tooled horn, then gained a few levels with drawbridge before polying to mmf 17:24 nice 17:24 i think it was likt t:331 when i got to castle 17:24 took some time to get to the wand 17:25 once i leveled up a bit and cleared the foyer i ran for a random turret (bottom right) 17:25 it was empty but i used xorn to get to top right and there was the wand 17:26 grabbed gems on the way 17:27 You see here a wand of wishing (0:2) (22 zorkmids). 17:27 :o 17:27 wait 17:27 why only 22 zm 17:27 fruit name in the rc file I stole for fiqhack 17:27 hahaha 17:28 hah hah 17:28 nice 17:28 that gave me a mini heart attack 17:28 stenno1: its embarrassing how many wowstarts i've already splatted tho rofl 17:30 i wonder what lux is up to on NAO rn 17:30 i might watch him a bit 17:31 dont think he's twitch streaming but there's always dtype's old skool text twitch 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:7850 17:38 looks like he's speedrunning gnome healers atm, which is crazy to watch 17:38 nearly died several times still doesn't miss a beat 17:38 [hdf-eu] [fh] amateurhour (Mon Elf Mal Cha), 34870 points, T:2573, killed by a baluchitherium 17:39 ok nah he's definitely up to something 17:40 given the quits, including just now 17:40 @luxidream what are you doing 17:40 <@luxidream> gnome healers suck ass 17:40 <@luxidream> took forever and I didn't even get the luckstone 17:40 are you literally just rage quitting or are you trying to do something fancy 17:40 ah ok lol 17:40 i saw your deaths and quits in #NetHack and decided to watch a little lol 17:41 and yes healers do suck they are the worst role 17:41 <@luxidream> i was smoky scumming for gops 17:41 ah 17:41 <@luxidream> but even with gops they somehow still manage to suck 17:41 @luxidream: i have an alt with the castle wand on t:617 lol 17:41 i also splatted several already 17:41 because im terrible 17:42 <@luxidream> how lol 17:42 various means and methods 17:42 anything necessary 17:42 some i just wished for polykit and digging wand and zapped down, recharging the digging wand when needed 17:43 but being too low xl you can't polymorph, and some i ran out of digging charges before castle and got into awkward situations 17:43 amateurhour: my fruitname is typically "fruit of wishing" 17:43 <@luxidream> i mean 17:43 yes, it was your rc file that I stole 17:43 @luxidream: tbf some of the splats were wholly avoidable and plane dumb 17:43 :^) 17:43 lol 17:43 <@luxidream> you have 80% chance of not dying 17:44 plain* 17:44 @luxidream gnomish healers make good pacifists 17:44 I have several paci wins with them 17:44 if you recall I wanted a fh rc file that was as close as possible to nice and pure tty interface 17:44 @luxidream: one of the deaths was because poly failed twice in a row when i was xl3 lol 17:44 this is the one you made I think 17:44 i didn't notice that the first one dropped me to xl1 or 2 17:44 second one killed me 17:44 amateurhour: then my rc was probably not a good inspiration because I don't have any of those options enabled 17:44 except maybe show_ac 17:45 <@luxidream> i know FIQ 17:45 <@luxidream> I'm just mildly frustrated because I can't seem to win quickly with one 17:45 well you made me an rc file and then I tweaked it a little, didn't notice fruit 17:46 gnomish healers are pretty good at surviving 17:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Nelennath (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 361 points, T:987, killed by a small mimic 17:46 just be glad you're not a terrible arc eh luxidream? :^) 17:46 but they haven't nailed down the whole "hurt foes" thing yet 17:46 FIQ: indeed 17:46 lol 17:46 <@luxidream> I tried arc earlier today 17:46 <@luxidream> did the racket a couple times 17:46 how did that go 17:46 <@luxidream> got nothing else good and just quit 17:47 lol F 17:47 arc is probably the role who can do the protracket most realibly, except for gnomish healers 17:47 your odds of an ascension drastically increase if you don't quit 17:47 but I still think it's a bad strategy overall 17:47 unless you're pacifist 17:47 I only spit the truest facts 17:48 so far out of a number of wowstarts I have a few dumb splats, a couple runs at castle or valley but low on scrolls and already at t:1600 (castle) or t:2450 (valley) 17:48 then i have the really fast one with castle wow at t:671 17:48 617 rather 17:48 but also not a great many scrolls 17:48 plus side, this one actually has time to loot the valley 17:48 before quest 17:49 :pog: 17:50 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2413 17:51 that is, assuming it doesn't die in the valley ofc 17:52 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Blo Nem Mal Neu), 15325 points, T:2403, killed by a monster (sub-gnome), while scared by rattling 17:55 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3423 17:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:10128 18:01 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 18:01 FIQ are peaceful floating eyes meant to slow you? 18:08 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 18:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had a pair of buckled boots entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:1162 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Buxus (Val Hum Fem Law), 138 points, T:413, killed by a small mimic 18:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed mithril +2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:9670 18:11 Seriously? I got entrusted a pair of fumble boots? 18:11 standard joke of the gods 18:11 rofl 18:11 A blessed +3 pair of fumble boots. 18:11 your god is trolling you 18:12 I'm *wearing* the damned things now. 18:12 arahael: troll them right back 18:12 Whom the gods would destroy they first make mad or something like that 18:12 permaconvert or use HoOA to give "oY to a rival god when you win the game :^) 18:13 You can do that!? 18:13 yeah.. 18:13 didn't you know that? :D 18:13 just if you're using permaconversion, don't do it til after quest lol 18:13 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:13 HoOA you just put it on when you're at astral lol 18:13 sometimes saves time 18:13 don't do that in evilhack if you don't have to 18:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Mal Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:9673 18:14 oh right 18:14 it doesn't always work lol 18:14 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:14 in vanilla it works every time 18:14 oh mobileuser and their helm of opposite alignment shenanigans :') 18:14 YASI: if you use a HoOA while already having the "oY, there is a chance your god gets angry 18:15 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Ast Inh Mal Law), 13846 points, T:816, killed by a shuriken 18:15 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/017ae6ce14505a84ab9153a03ceab32c8fd78174 ;-) 18:15 amateurhour: Hmm? 18:16 arahael: in vanilla nethack, you can change alignment with HoOA before #offering on the high altar to ascend 18:16 in evilhack, there is a chance you will just lose the game instaed 18:16 i don't remember the odds 18:16 but you shouldn't do it unless you're really screwed 18:16 and have a bad chance of getting to the correct altar without using HoOA 18:17 what aoei said arahael ^ 18:17 I see. 18:17 in vanilla it's a solid tactic to save time 18:17 in evilhack, not so much 18:17 emergency option only lol 18:17 arahael I did that once on astral as a gamble (because I was nearly dead). I got lucky that time. 18:17 right 18:17 but it could have gone badly 18:18 is it 1/5 you just escape in celestial disgrace or what, what are the odds/what is the bad outcome 18:18 is it a death or an escape 18:18 mobileuser: Once, as in, in your current game? ;) 18:18 i think this was a while back 18:18 mobileuser's current game is epic for different reasons 18:18 i vaguely remember it at the itme 18:18 think it's 50/50 aoei 18:18 wow holy shit 18:18 ok that's a really bad odds hahaha 18:19 80% is already dicy unless you're in trouble 18:19 but 50/50, phew 18:19 :| 18:19 amateurhour: or are you just 50/50 memeing again <.< 18:19 EITHER YOU WIN OR LOSE 18:19 ITS FIFTY FIFTY 18:19 gonna double check, but actually nonironically think it's 50/50 this time :P 18:19 lol ok 18:19 * aoei is giggling irl 18:20 arahael I got hit by a bug this game, had to wish for an oppo helm to fix it. long story. 18:20 wowscum is 50/50 18:20 either you get wow on t:1 or you don't 18:20 bedtime, see you later! 18:20 mobileuser: Curious. Sleep well 18:20 might mobe! 18:20 o/ 18:21 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:21 oh it's 1/3 chance if you have hooa on that the gods catch you 18:21 ah ok 18:21 that's still waaaaay too high chance of ending the game 18:21 in loss 18:21 actually the punishment isn't quite so serious 18:21 you dont lose 18:21 ohhh 18:22 ok that's less brutal then 18:22 your god is just 'meh' 18:22 i thought it was game over 18:22 here's me assuming the game would just end 18:22 ok then it may be worth the gamble lol 18:22 they destroy your helmet, give you luck penalties etc, and demand you bring it to them 18:22 ok that's fine 18:22 then it's worth it imo 18:22 they might also smite you, not sure if that's possible 18:22 smiting might make it less worth the risk 18:23 depends on what gods_upset does 18:23 luck penalty probably not so severe 18:23 gods_upset sounds like smiting 18:23 cba looking into it further :D 18:23 but smiting usually isn't that bad unless the anger is high 18:23 unless this is special-cased somehow 18:23 or incurs a high god anger for the (attempted) betrayal etc. 18:24 you could just bring another hooa or something 18:24 wide-angle disintegration beam is the only smiting that's likely to be a huge problem for a player char who's made it to an astral high-altar 18:24 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/0401bf272be28787b10ab6dc12359e5b363b695a 18:24 if there's a way of surviving that it'd be epic if it wiped out everything on astral 18:24 evil 18:25 K2: it only just right now dawned on me that you are named after a mountain 18:25 actually if you were more familiar with the lore you'd know that the mountain was named after K2 18:25 amateurhour: i think wide-angle disint just hits you 18:25 nobody else on the level 18:25 hah 18:25 you can survive with disint resistance, in vanilla at least 18:25 K2: unsurprisingly after a mountain that likes to kill its climbers 18:25 bhaak: lol 18:26 i also never made the connection before 18:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had a pair of leather gloves entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:2613 18:29 An ordinary pair of gloves, but +4. Hmm, it's an improvement... 18:29 * arahael just wants a four leaf clover. 18:32 K2: clearly the solution is to have a stack of helmets 18:32 FIQ I know, its one way around it 18:33 'genocide object' isnt a thing 18:34 it can be a thing if u want it to be 18:34 amateurhour: I think floating eyes slow down everything, peaceful or not 18:34 ah right, fair enough 18:35 a monster read scroll of summoning, summoned a peaceful floating eye which slowed me 18:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:13938 18:38 amateurhour: http://home.fiq.se/amateurhour.png how come you aren't maintaining protection? :P 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1052 points, T:1599, killed by a giant spider 18:39 go team s! 18:39 don't want my pw to drain to 0 18:39 rip nabru 18:39 what if I need it later on? :P 18:39 amateurhour: why would it drain to 0? 18:40 it shouldn't drain that fast 18:40 idk, doesn't it keep casting protection? 18:40 it drains pw yes, but you should regen pw quicker 18:40 this isn't dnethack 18:40 right, will try it then 18:41 spell maintennace was created to avoid the annoyance of constantly recasting spells, so making maintaining a spell drain more pw than manually casting it would, would defeat the purpose 18:41 this is why I dislike dnh's way of nerfing the prot spell 18:41 by making it basically useless to maintain 18:41 dnh's protection spell isn't exactly nerfed, it's an awesome spell 18:42 I try not to talk about how great it is too much in case they actually do nerf it 18:42 but it's very annoying to maintain IMO 18:42 which is basically the reason it's as OP as it is in vanilla actually 18:42 it's incredibly strong 18:42 yeah, I don't maintain it in dnh, just cast it before an encounter 18:42 but nobody notices because constantly casting it would be a huge PITA 18:43 sorry did you just say protection is op in vanilla? 18:43 yes 18:43 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Bar Inf Mal Cha), 8513 points, T:6065, sent to the next life by a myconid reaver 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3903 18:43 it blows in vanilla 18:43 with energy regeneration 18:43 it's ridiculously strong 18:44 in dnh with the ac/dr split it's epic 18:44 none of that partial casting bs just single cast is like 10ac 18:44 at high levels, protection can make you go from +10 AC to -10 18:44 that's a 20 AC bonus 18:44 which is ridiculous 18:44 but to maintain it, you have to literally cast it every 10 turns 18:44 which is ridiculously annoying 18:45 which is why nobody notices how strong it truly is 18:45 yeah plus if you already have good ac, say for example from armour, it does jack 18:45 because of how much of a PITA it would be to make full use of 18:45 it still gives at worst 10 AC I think 18:45 Hmm, hte evilhack inventory doesn't always display the correct weight: Inventory: 792/700 weight (26/52 slots) 18:45 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 4 points, T:18, killed by a mithril dart 18:45 And yet I'm *not* burdened. 18:45 worst is 5 ac 18:45 not 10 18:45 hmmm 18:45 I could swear it was larger 18:46 arahael: the game sometimes delays a turn before updating encumbrance 18:46 FIQ: It's been several turns. 18:46 hmm 18:46 idk then 18:46 it's just rubbish in vanilla lol, multiple casts to get anywhere and need terrible ac to get the benefits 18:46 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Spellbook_of_protection#AC_granted 18:47 amateurhour: iirc I removed the penalty for existing AC completely in fiqhack, but made it only work if you didn't wear body armor 18:47 which incidentally makes it very useful for monks 18:48 yeah lol, you have convinced me that it's epic in fiqhack as well 18:49 it used to be completely broken in fiqhack 18:49 because, due to a bug, maintaining protection wouldn't decrement overprotection properly 18:49 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 18:49 so you could remove all worn armor 18:49 cast and maintain protection 18:49 and then put it on again 18:50 later on I fixed the bug but I didn't really like the idea of completely free AC for basically no practical loss 18:51 so I made it strong again but only work w/o body armor 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4600 18:51 so far I'm still getting used to the whole curses interface thing 18:52 I sort of wish there was a nice wiki page for fiqhack as well 18:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4853 18:53 are unihorns nerfed? 18:53 amateurhour you could make one 18:54 idk all the differences between vanilla and fiqhack 18:54 amateurhour: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/FIQHack 18:54 AND 18:54 have a medical case of the lazies 18:54 Unihorns were changed 18:54 imagine you've never played fiqhack before, are you going to get useful info from that page? :P 18:54 No longer messes with attributes at all (reducing if cursed or restoring if blessed) 18:54 Blessed unihorns will always restore all troubles but has a 10% of unblessing 18:54 Uncursed unihorns will pick one trouble at random out of Ill/FoodPois/Zombie/Vomiting, Stun, Hallu, Blind, Conf, and try to cure it, meaning that, for example, trying to cure Ill with an uncursed unihorn will work 20% of the time 18:54 amateurhour: I mean, with my workflow yes 18:54 when I want to play a new variant, I seek out the variant changelog 18:55 to figure out everything that is different 18:55 but most variants don't really have well-maintained changelogs 18:55 documenting every little thing 18:56 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:58 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2063 18:59 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 19:00 do floating eyes freeze you upon contact still? 19:04 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Wiz Inf Mal Cha), 2718 points, T:2310, defeated by an ape 19:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) averted death, on T:56161 19:07 I seem to be lagging a fair bit 19:07 @luxidream i levdrained and got 9 points of prot lol :poggers: 19:08 ah spellbook destruction from reading is still in 19:09 i should probs go to castle im fucking stacked as shit 19:09 could maybe enchant stormy a bit with my marker 19:09 got -16 AC before castle lmao 19:10 CRAZY 19:15 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5095 19:19 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 19:22 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:24 * arahael wonders why he so rarely gets corpses. 19:24 The RNG in this game feels weird. 19:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 62530 points, T:17114, killed by an uninjured displacer beast 19:24 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:25 oops rip 19:25 i messed up there, 100% avoidable death 19:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:36479 19:25 not having a tonal sucks tho 19:25 lol 19:26 fh seems so laggy for me 19:27 probably didn't help i was weak and burdened lol shit 19:27 gotta pay attention to food and encumbrance 19:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:36489 19:27 could also have burnt E but i was playing too fast and tried to run instead of do something sensible 19:28 rip Stella :( 19:29 :/] 19:29 *:/ 19:29 <@nabru> !pom 19:29 @nabru: The moon is full for 1 more day. 19:29 i had plenty of resources to not fuck that up 19:29 but then my time was already over 2h so 19:29 might as well have quit in any case 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered Madonna, her faithful kitten, on T:7 19:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had a pair of fumble boots entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:6599 19:31 Seriously? You're frigging jokign? 19:31 A *second* pair of fumble boots? 19:31 the gods hate you 19:32 Also +3. 19:32 It's identical. 19:32 * arahael incinerates it. 19:32 Perhaps Huan Ti plans to send you another pair of legs 19:33 Huan Ti thinks you lost the first pair and need a replacement 19:33 I can't incinerate it. 19:33 fireproof, nice 19:33 I dipped it in a forge. 19:33 those are some nice shoes 19:34 * hothraxxa rotfl 19:34 still sucks dying when you're so well stacked and got loads of resources 19:34 Sure, they're fumble boots, but they're high-end fumble boots 19:34 Now you can fumble in quality! 19:35 i think the music i was playing before had the wrong rhythm for high kps gaming 19:35 i need something faster 19:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:36542 19:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:36662 19:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:36665 19:42 [hdf-eu] [nh363] infinigon (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:19423 19:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1072 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:898 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1090 19:47 amateurhour: floating eyes slow you down and make you slow for longer if you hit them 19:48 no more paralysis 19:49 fun fact: when Sokoban was first introduced into NetHack, there was one puzzle that didn't have a solution 19:49 can you guess which one? 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1356 points, T:1370, killed by a wounded invisible dwarf lord 19:51 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 19:51 was it 2a? 19:51 wouldn't it be funny if it was 19:51 but no, it was reflectoban 19:51 4a 19:51 darn too late 19:52 ahh, that's a funny bit of history, how long was it unsolvable for? 19:52 3 years 19:52 wow 19:52 Implemented in 3.3.0 in December 1999 19:52 fixed in 3.4.0 released on March 2002 19:52 ok so a bit over 2 years 19:52 but still 19:52 quite a long time 19:53 FIQ are scrolls of genocide extra common or something? found 4 so far 19:53 they are not 19:53 arguably, they're less common 19:53 since monsters use them in fh 19:54 oh, what do they geno? 19:54 if they geno elves am I just dead? 19:54 things hostile to the monster 19:54 elves can't be genocided 19:54 player races or roles can't be genocided 19:55 but you can always genocide your own role or race 19:55 do you know how long cancellation lasts? a quantum mechanic zapped me with a wand 19:55 this rule also applies to monsters 19:55 forever 19:55 until cured 19:55 wtf 19:55 lol 19:55 can unihorns cure it? 19:55 there are various ways to cure it 19:55 no 19:55 drink gain energy 19:55 read charging while confused 19:55 stoning cures cancellation in vanilla 19:55 step on a magic trap and get the magical explosion effect 19:55 (which is more common if you're cancelled) 19:55 it's me that's cancelled, not a pet 19:56 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:56 amateurhour: so? 19:56 amateurhour: I am aware 19:56 the same cures apply 19:56 I thought the stoning thing was to petrify a pet then stone to flesh 19:56 in vanilla 19:56 tinklebear: I don't think petrification will be a very useful cure for amateurhour 19:56 FIQ: I am aware 19:56 haha 19:56 :D 19:57 amateurhour: it appears that you can also pray it away 19:57 just checked 19:57 it counts as major trouble 19:58 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Huan Ti, on T:8523 19:58 Of course. I should've guessed. If not fumble boots, then fricking crowning. 19:59 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 19:59 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:59 Now it's even harder to get holyw ater. 19:59 amateurhour: you can use ctrl+f 19:59 to search for magic traps 19:59 or gain energy, charging, if you've seen those potions somewhere 20:00 I know there was one in the mines, just can't remember where 20:01 Is it normal for doors in evil to be potentially perma-trapped? 20:01 woah why did my game just close 20:02 !tell K2 fixed crash when searching for tarps 20:02 I'm on it, FIQ. 20:02 *traps 20:02 amateurhour: Fixed, sorry 20:02 if I ctrl+f for magic trap then press 'a' it kicks me back to the dgl 20:03 oh nice you fixed it already, that was quick haha 20:03 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 20:03 so there's one in the dungeons of doom, not the mines 20:03 amateurhour: at least you can see which floor it was on without clicking on the option 20:03 (which induces the crash) 20:03 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:04 once K2 pushes the last fix, it should work properly again 20:04 what is it meant to do? 20:04 ugh 20:04 it first displays the map of the floor the object/trap is on 20:04 alright hi everyone what did I miss 20:04 with the cursor hovering over the obj/trap 20:04 it can't seem to find a pickaxe, but I know for sure there's one on this floor 20:05 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:05 then upon pressing space, it blanks the entire map except for that one location, to make it even clearer 20:05 that sounds pretty great 20:05 amateurhour: are you searching for "pickaxe" 20:05 yeah 20:05 try "pick-axe" 20:05 ah 20:05 it isn't intelligent enough to understand that pickaxe means pick-axe 20:06 perhaps if I fail to find anything, I should try to search again, but this time account for close matches 20:06 idk how performant that would be though 20:06 never really implemented fuzzy search personally even if I know the theory 20:06 maybe at least use the aliases from the wish parse 20:06 r 20:07 Hi Andrio 20:07 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 20:07 Heya Umbire. 20:08 Andrio: hmm maybe 20:09 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 20:10 *sigh*, I can't get a safe "prayer" moment even after sac'ing *unicorns* 20:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 748 points, T:1053, killed by an uninjured rothe 20:11 when you say greatly increased chance while cancelled... 20:12 does it go from like 3.3% to 3.4% or something 20:12 33% 20:12 oh wait 20:12 20% 20:14 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:14 monks ought to get an alignment penalty for lying with foocubi 20:14 since that's like, one of the major rules of monkhood 20:14 being chaste 20:14 why not 20:15 that was taking long enough that I was starting to suspect you'd lied about the trap chance :P 20:16 just to trick me into plonking down on a magic trap over and over 20:16 "if (!rn2(30) || (cancelled(&youmonst) && !rn2(5)))" 20:16 lol wow 20:16 3 magic lamps, blessed all of them 20:16 no wish 20:16 :( 20:16 amateurhour: haha 20:16 <@nabru> 😦 20:16 buah! 20:16 aoei: oof 20:16 FIQ: two hostile djinn are attacking me now lol 20:16 rip 20:16 this is bullcrap 20:17 what are the odds... (1/5)^3 20:17 1/125 20:17 lol 20:18 i almost rage quit 20:18 but i have an altar now 20:18 i can sac for stormy at least 20:19 aoei: nah, not 1/125 20:19 oh you mean for 3 non-wishy djinn 20:19 I thought you meant for the hostile ones 20:21 ah monsters can spawn on the holes 20:22 aoei: I t hin kthe chance for 2 of 3 djinns being hostile is 1/133 20:22 Of course the god is displeased when I prayed. 20:22 *think the 20:22 Being crowned sucks. 20:22 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 20:22 amateurhour: I've considered disabling monster spawning on sokoban sometimes 20:22 Especially in a weird game that rarely leaves corpses. 20:22 dnh disables it anywhere except the zoo rooms, and it's great 20:22 or at least make it so they don't spawn in the corridors, or are willing to jump into the holes if trapped 20:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6840 20:23 arahael: did you accidentally make the entire dungeon a graveyard 20:23 FIQ: I guess! 20:23 FIQ: But I think the RNG is just weird. *TWO* fumbleboots were gifted to me, as well. 20:24 what variant are you playing where you get fumble boot gifts 20:24 sounds like a not very nice god 20:24 maybe consider converting 20:24 were 'trice corpses nerfed in fiqhack out of interest? 20:24 amateurhour: indirectly yes 20:25 one of fiqhack's main goals is improving monster/player symmetry 20:25 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 20:25 this includes things such as intrinsics 20:25 FIQ: right. i just calculated the odds of 3 blessed magic lamps and no wish 20:25 petrification is a delayed instadeath for monsters now 20:25 without specifically accounting for what type of djinn 20:25 FIQ: I haven't done the quest yet - and it's evilhack 20:25 * Umbire screencaps FIQ 20:25 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:26 Umbire: what part of me 20:26 Also yes EvilHack gods gift you mundane items 20:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 4710 points, T:4559, killed by slightly wounded Mr. Niknar; the shopkeeper 20:26 FIQ: Only the most photogenic parts ;D 20:26 :P 20:26 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:26 (but also I wanna memorize the quote for the eventual ATT article) 20:26 looks like fiqhack has the weird gold in zoos thing 20:26 how is it weird 20:26 that's a vanilla thing 20:26 where the top row pretty much always has the fat stacks of cash 20:26 yeah 20:27 bah i've already played for a whole hour 20:27 Niknar 20:27 You want to nik from my shop? Nar. 20:27 not managed to get stormy so far from this altar, and 3 magic lamps gave me no wish which is really annoying lol 20:27 aoei: time to reset 20:27 for some reason I assumed that'd be something you'd have changed 20:27 amateurhour: I wasn't even aware of any quirks with it 20:27 otherwise maybe? 20:28 not really sure what the exact problem here is 20:28 it's like the top row gets the lions share of the gold 20:28 so for example in this case, top two squares had like 450 gold each 20:28 then every other square had like 10-30 gold 20:29 so if you're sneaking through soko zoo for example and don't want to kill stuff, you just head there to get most of the gold 20:29 I wonder if this is the level moving corner gold elsewhere in a particular way 20:29 s/corner gold/gold at the edge of the door/ 20:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 12307 points, T:7673, quit 20:30 yeah i fucked up soko and then i got too raged <.< 20:30 3 blessed lamps no wish fuck that game 20:30 :| 20:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 651 points, T:1798, killed by a heavily wounded dwarf 20:31 hm yeah the game is doing something pelicular with zoo gold 20:31 but it seems deliberate 20:31 no idea why though 20:31 Leftover from whatever you forked FIQhack from? 20:32 Umbire: no this is a vanilla thing 20:32 So a leftover from vanilla :B 20:32 well I guess it's leftover from what I forked from 20:32 that's a yes! 20:32 in the technical sense 20:32 🗞 20:32 Umbire: :pogchamp: 20:32 ok this code looks kinda buggy 20:33 <{Demo}> squish 20:33 it must be a bug because the code is *supposed* to distribute gold in zoos evenly 20:33 and it doesnøt 20:33 just rnz the gold on each square and call it a day :^) 20:34 <@luxidream> nooo I need my metastrategy of going to the top left corner for all the gold D: 20:34 hahaha 20:34 <@luxidream> don't fix it 20:34 Hi Luxi 20:34 lux i ragequit a ranger bc 3 holy magic lamps gave me NO WISH 20:34 and then i fucked up soko and was too annoyed 20:34 You sure they were blessed? 20:34 basically it generates gold a certain way, and if the generated gold exceeds a certain number, it changes to a different gold amount which is, for whatever reason, *far* less 20:34 yes i am sure 20:34 i blessed them myself 20:34 !lastgame Stella 20:34 Umbire: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/S/Stella/nethack/dumplog/1609547744.nh.html 20:34 <@luxidream> lol I think that happened to me in my recentish stream too 20:34 i dropped 2 of the blessed oil lamps 20:35 <@luxidream> it happens 20:35 i mean, it's 1/125 which isn't *that* insane 20:35 the game generates a max gold amount which is 500 * depth 20:35 but it's fucking annoying 20:35 if the generated gold amount exceeds this number 20:35 it instead is changed into 5 * depth 20:35 like if i have 3 lamps i expect maybe one doesn't work 20:35 I have a feeling the latter is meant to be 500 * depth 20:35 unlucky 20:35 all 3 not working is hella annoying 20:35 lux: i even got two hostile djinn lol 20:35 <@luxidream> wait so there is supposed to be 500*depth on each square 20:35 i killed them tho 20:35 <@luxidream> that's nuts wtf 20:36 lux: yea it makes no sense 20:36 actually no, there's meant to be a max of that 20:36 but still 20:36 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 20:36 no idea, I'm trying to figure out what this code is meant to do: http://home.fiq.se/weirdcode.txt 20:37 <@luxidream> but it still doesn't explain why the top left corner of soko has the most gold 20:37 goldlim is 500 * level_difficulty(&lev->z) 20:37 <@luxidream> what is this dist2(sx, sy, lev->doors[sh].x, lev->doors[sh].y); 20:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 273 points, T:887, killed by a wounded hobbit 20:37 dist2 is maybe distance between points? 20:37 @luxidream presumably because it's the one case that doesn't exceed goldlim? that's the only thing I can think of 20:37 looks like it depends on the distance to the doors 20:38 (x1-x0)^2 + (y1-y0)^2 20:38 so makes sense top left would be high gold value 20:38 top left is further from the main door, but then there are also the prize doors 20:38 so im not sure if they factor in or not 20:38 <@luxidream> oh, do leprechaun halls and zoos only have one entrance like shops? 20:38 possibly 20:39 but sq() squares the number again 20:39 no? 20:39 I wonder if nethack meant for this to be sqrt 20:39 <@luxidream> then what is the location of the door 20:39 Andrio: they might have some funky code that only considers one door as a main entrance or some crap who knows 20:40 gotta figure out wtf lev->doors[sh] means 20:40 but it should be a single door 20:40 identified by the sh index 20:40 among all doors on the level 20:40 that's how i read it at least 20:40 as I understand it, 'sh' is the sh-th door on the room 20:40 *on the level 20:41 nabru: what does that mean though? 20:41 oh, also, looking at it a bit more, it looks like goldlim is the max total gold for the zoo 20:42 because it's decremented 20:42 with each iteration 20:42 by whatever i is 20:42 so i don't think it's a mistake that i is reduced to 5 * difficulty when i >= goldlim 20:42 i has to be reduced 20:42 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 20:43 because goldlim is gonna be smashed to nothing otherwise 20:43 this also means after a few squares are made with a significant chunk of gold 20:43 everything else will be based on the 5 20:43 5* factor 20:43 instead of the 500* factor 20:44 hah, that basic idea of squaring the distance came already from hack 1.0 20:44 it also might be that it both gives bigger gold further from main door, *and* iterates from top left 20:44 so the top row starting with the leftmost will have the largest piles 20:44 and at some point it crosses the threshold and gives only small piles 20:44 ok I figured out the quirk 20:44 sh is set to "index for the first door of the room" 20:44 bhaak: aha 20:44 but how does it count which is "first"? 20:45 FIQ: i think i also figured it out 20:45 basically this is the first number it returns 20:45 sx:45, sy:12, shx:50, shy:15, distv:34, i:1156 20:45 so it randomizes between 10-1156 on the first square 20:45 then it substracts the total from goldlim 20:45 FIQ: yeah, exactly what i said! 20:46 which causes it to run out of the high gold after like 2-3 squares 20:46 blah Soko 4a on this phone rogue 20:46 FIQ: lol check scrollback, i beat you to it 20:46 too slow mate 20:46 only map whose no-stuck strats I haven't fully memorized 20:46 aoei: but it ought to decrement the generated result, not the randomized value 20:46 <@nabru> I usually play Sokoban with spoilers open 20:46 er 20:46 *not the upper bound 20:46 <@nabru> Except for 1a and 1b that I can do by hand 20:47 FIQ: right, it just decrements it by upper bound, good point 20:47 <@nabru> Also, 2b 20:47 that's a bug 20:47 for sure 20:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Inc Fem Non) was given the Pen of the Void, on T:2982 20:47 I can do most of them by memory 20:47 except for 4a as mentioned before 20:47 down with flipped sokoban 20:47 aoei: also I think a more sensible implementation would probably be to try to spread out the gold more evenly 20:47 FIQ: yeah true 20:47 and even then I just forget the initial moves 20:47 perhaps by placing like d30 gold on every square until you reach goldlim 20:47 or similar 20:47 once I get those down the rest come more naturally 20:47 FIQ: nah I still disagree 20:47 [hdf-au] [nh343] PeachMuffin (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1172 points, T:990, killed by a watchman 20:48 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:48 aoei: the first door being generated when the room is created in mklev.c 20:48 <@luxidream> then gold doesn't increase much with level difficulty 20:48 @luxidream uh yes it would? 20:48 it would just generate more piles 20:48 since goldlim would be higher 20:48 FIQ: the way i'd do it is to set the an expected gold amount rather than a limit 20:48 and then adjust the dN for each square appropriately 20:48 for the size of teh room 20:49 <@luxidream> oh continue placing d30 20:49 so let's say you have 9 squares and an expected/mean gold value of 4000 (based on level diff or what have you) 20:49 just put all the gold in the top left square and call it a day 20:49 aoei: you mean like, calculate the gold limit and then generate a N which is limit / (amount of tiles with gold/2) and then give each square dN gold? 20:49 FIQ: yea except i'd do it by mean not by limit 20:50 hm but I don't think there is an obvious way to know how many piles there will be without recomputing it each iteration 20:50 it's not often that somebody finds a bug that is still in vanilla and dates back to hack 1.0 20:50 so 4000/9 would be what: 444 20:50 YASI: new x called the gold bug 20:50 so do d888 per square 20:50 yeah most bugs, like sokoban being the wrong orientation, are new :^) 20:51 * Umbire swats amateurhour 20:51 and you will get a total of 4000 gold on average 20:51 🗞 20:51 aoei: isn't that what I said 20:51 FIQ: maybe 20:51 maybe i didn't read you rmessage properly 20:51 i though you were talking about limit not mean 20:51 (total gold) / (squares/2) 20:51 per square 20:51 ah yes 20:51 er, between 1 and that, I mean 20:51 same result lol 20:51 sorry :P 20:52 <@luxidream> bhaak: if it's been in that long how do we distinguish it from intended behavior 🙂 20:52 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:52 yea it's really odd code 20:52 but now it makes sense what lux noticed lol 20:52 FIQ: I agree that sqrt would make much more sense there but it certainly is not a typo. sq() is a #define that is only used there. that looks suspiciously intentional 20:53 bhaak: but dist2 already calculates a square distance 20:53 why square that again? seems odd to me 20:53 @luxidream nobody noticed until now :-) 20:54 p sure it's been brought up quite a few times in the past year 20:54 bhaak: is there an obvious way to figure out how many iterations (squares with gold) there will be, other than doing it twice 20:54 the usual response was "huh, whack." 20:54 :) 20:55 FIQ: yes, it is very odd. but as I said, the code (even the code in hack 1.0) doesn't look very much like a mistake. the only thing that would make sense is that Andries forgot that dist2 was already doing the squaring. 20:55 *doing the iteration twice, or computing it every square 20:56 bhaak: people do forget such things 20:56 i'd actually say human error like that is to be expected 20:57 aoei: yes. but that is what I mean. the sq() code looks quite intentional. if there was a mistake, a misconception/mistake elsewhere would feel more natural 20:57 right 20:58 i see your point, yeah 20:59 I suppose I could flag the gold "in use" and then upon room completion, iterate the level object chain and fixup the gold amount later 21:00 isn't the room size already known when the iteration begins 21:00 because then it should be trivial to do waht i suggested 21:00 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 21:01 yes but I don't think you can get an easy formula out of it as the door location is part of the formula as well 21:01 ok I have a simple fix I think 21:01 who cares 21:01 about the door 21:01 it makes no sense that gold amount depends on distance from door 21:01 just use the loop to count the tiles and generate 1 gold and mark as in use 21:01 then when I'm done with the room, iterate the level objects chain 21:01 finding all the in use gold 21:01 and fixing it up 21:02 yeah that works too i guess 21:02 also im probably missing some oddities about how level generation works 21:02 aoei: yeah I don't care for the distance thing, but this was for figuring out how many squares is to have gold 21:02 aoei: from a gameplay POV it does. more gold will be further away from the player, too, when they enter the room. 21:02 so I can distribute it 21:02 bhaak: hm ok yea i see your point 21:02 aoei: only a weak gameplay argument, though 21:02 properly 21:02 bhaak: on the other hand 21:02 bhaak: yes, that 21:03 it increase difficulty of gold acquisition for player 21:03 but for no reasonable flavour reason at all, imo 21:03 <@luxidream> in the dungeon you could potentially enter the treasure zoo from any side? 21:03 I tend to be fairly set on gold prior to reaching the Soko zoo 21:03 yeah also what lux said 21:04 altho one door is defined as "the door", there are often more than one 21:04 with the exception of the soko zoo 21:04 <@luxidream> are there any other preset treasure zoos? 21:04 <@luxidream> i guess wiztower 21:04 <@luxidream> ludios 21:04 ludios 21:04 if I'm reading the hack 1.0 code correctly, it only generated zoos in rooms with 1 door 21:05 lol so another thing they forgot to change from some super old version 21:05 amazing 21:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abdlabl (Bin Inc Fem Non), 30249 points, T:5626, killed by an ettin mummy 21:06 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 21:06 I'm not sure how they ensured that there _was_ a room with only a single door, though. looks like a potential segfault 21:06 imo if zoo size is known just remove the door nonsense and do d(2*expected_gold/zoo_squares) 21:06 for each square 21:07 the modern code doesn't have that restriction anymore 21:07 right 21:07 i feel a strange urge to try and implement this and make a PR 21:08 but for the sake of my personal sanity im not sure its a good idea 21:08 that's not very nethacky 21:08 what isn't? 21:08 not convoluted enough solution for a problem nobody had so far 21:09 well maybe that's why i shouldn't be making this theoretical PR 21:09 too sensible 21:09 not very NetHack 21:09 yes 21:09 i agree 21:10 make a PR which places more gold into the corners of the rooms, on the argument that the corners tend to accrue crud 21:10 hahahaha 21:10 what if i do the opposite 21:10 have a huge pile in the middle 21:10 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 21:10 and a gradient out to the sides 21:10 smallest amouhnts in the corners 21:10 that's dangerous. huge piles of gold attract dragons 21:10 yes exactly 21:10 i was about to add 21:10 aoei: that would be interesting 21:11 i'd have a dragon sit in the middle 21:11 have more challenging monsters in the middle 21:11 or a higher chance of dragons on central squares maybe 21:11 right 21:11 if you're up to the challenge, you can have the reward, otherwise, you can just walk away 21:11 more gold in middle, and harder monsters 21:11 if you have stealth you can go around the edges 21:11 avoid the hardest beasts 21:11 but get less gold 21:11 sounds like a PR for evilhack or slex 21:11 bah, doppleganger master lich'd me 21:12 I like how you have grouped those two variants together there 21:12 thankfully only froze a potion of acid and destroy armor'd my mummy wrapping 21:12 oh. forgot to ping 21:12 ok I pushed a fix to fh for zoo gold 21:12 amateurhour: k* is just an alias for a** 21:12 https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/commit/9291bf28f9af7c455b066007b7893ef6fed72731 is what I did 21:12 i thought you knew 21:13 YANI: place more gold into the corners of rooms that generate gold on the argument that the corners tend to accrue crud. bonus point if the code correctly handles non square rooms. 21:14 Non-square rooms have lots of corners. 21:14 that shouldn't be too hard to do, and incidentally would be remarkably easy to add with my fix 21:14 just generate more base piles for corners 21:15 3 piles at corners, 2 at edges, 1 elsewhere 21:15 that's quite nice, i'll admit FIQ 21:15 but I still think dragons and big piles in the middle is the way to go 21:16 I also like the idea of dragons/big piles 21:16 the more you risk, the bigger the reward 21:17 YANI: dragons that generate with the level sit on piles of gold. 21:17 Like how spiders sit on webs and various creatures hide under stuff. 21:17 ^ 21:18 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 21:18 knox isn't a zoo 21:19 bhaak: is there a nice and easy way to check if a tile is a wall in NH 21:19 if so I could easily add your YANI 21:20 FIQ there's a zoo in ludios as well 21:20 forget about the treasure vault bit 21:20 oh yeah I forgot that there was an actual zoo to 21:21 *too 21:21 FIQ: the wall types for levl[x][y].typ are all grouped together. 21:21 I'm not sure if there is a dedicated function already 21:21 apparently there's iswall() 21:21 that's probably what I want 21:21 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 21:22 so basically generate a pile, then another pile if x+1 or x-1 is wall and another if y+1 or y-1 is one 21:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "a blessed figurine of a ki-rin", on T:38426 21:24 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 21:24 umm 21:25 I found an extern function in fiqhack 21:25 which only has the definition 21:25 not the actual function itself 21:25 I wonder if this is also in NH3 21:25 nope, but it is in NH4 21:25 [513][fiq@fiq-desktop ~/nethack4]$ rg mkgoldobj 21:25 libnethack/include/extern.h 21:25 699:extern struct obj *mkgoldobj(long); 21:27 that's a remnant of non GOLDOBJ 21:28 GOLDOBJ now being default, the function was removed but the declaration was missed 21:28 in nh4 21:29 ah 21:30 ok I now generate 3x the gold amount at edges, 2x at corners 21:31 however it is not very obvious that it generates more since the bounds are just doubled 21:31 and the min is still just 2 (edges) or 3 (corners) 21:31 bhaak: should I be more more aggressive you think? idk how to make it better 21:31 maybe you should square it? :) 21:31 <{Demo}> or rectangle it 21:32 bhaak: that sounds far too much 21:32 the biggest non-corner pile in this sokoban has 48 21:32 squaring would give 2403 :P 21:33 er 2404 21:33 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of reflection, on T:16076 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:55602 21:33 no my math is bad 21:33 2304 21:33 but yeah my point stands 21:33 not the gold but the piles 21:33 oh 21:33 although 9*48 = 432 is also quite significant 21:33 you mean like, 4 piles at edges, 9 at corners? 21:33 yes 21:33 I mean it would still distribute an equal amount of gold 21:34 since i just generate more piles, the limit remains the same 21:34 doubling might be more sensible. or something like 3 piles in edges, 6 in corners 21:37 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 21:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Hea Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:2480 21:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5692 21:39 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:40 bhaak: ok I generate 1, 4 or 7 piles now (+3 for each wall) 21:40 it's now clearly more in the corners 21:43 <@FIQ> computer froze, unrelated (chromium likes to do this occasionally, idk why) 21:43 <@FIQ> bhaak: https://github.com/FredrIQ/fiqhack/commit/645fbe3c4cc5b1d328e84be4c3af4662775af947 21:47 that looks good 21:47 have to go to bed now. good night! 21:48 What's transgression? 21:48 I ask because I thought I've transgressed - I killed peacefuls and the like - and my god is angry for an unrelated reason (praying too much), and yet, I am definitely not transgressed. 21:48 <@FIQ> night 21:49 Night bhaak 21:50 'night 21:50 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:50 sleep well bhaak 21:51 [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 1181 points, T:3579, killed by a rabid rat 21:54 night bhaak 21:57 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 8488 points, T:3315, killed by a slightly wounded gnome king 21:57 fuck 21:57 :c 21:57 got stunned and accidentally moved off the stairs. Could not do anything. 21:57 !tell K2 pushed fiqhack update again, zoo gold stuff 21:57 No worries, FIQ, I've got this! 21:58 Yikes 21:58 Such a good run up to that point. 21:58 <@nabru> !lastgame Tangles 21:58 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/dnethack/dumplog/1534858827.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/slex/dumplog/1523968901.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack/dumplog/1609551470.nh.html 21:59 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 22:00 Also tried to escape by digging down, which would have worked but I was already at the bottom as it turned out, so then I was stunned, surrounded, and in a pit. 22:01 Bah. My oilskin sack is effectively an immovable stash now. 22:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:04 hmm FIQ what could this magical helm be? it seems to lower my protection amount 22:05 it didn't auto identify from doing that 22:09 can't use j or k to navigate the previous messages window :( have to use arrow keys like a caveman :(( 22:11 "you feel your fortune oscillate" <-- What kind of message is that? 22:12 you ate a magical eye and luck changed 22:12 [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 520 points, T:1864, killed by an enormous rat 22:12 Hmm. 22:13 By only 2 points, from the sounds of it in the code. 22:13 no, it's between -1 and +2 change 22:13 Right - absolute value is 2. :) 22:13 Looks like it went up by 2 - i'm now "extremely lucky". 22:14 I wonder if K2 intended it to be -2 to +2 22:14 I suspect so. 22:19 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 22:21 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 474 points, T:1706, killed by a large mimic 22:24 ValkGDQ huh 22:24 :eyes: 22:25 <@luxidream> wonder who that could be 22:25 <@luxidream> 🤔 22:25 fine, it was me 22:25 <@luxidream> bad rng on astral 22:26 <@luxidream> also had a weird bug where I got life saved but the life saving message didn't show up until much later 22:26 huh that's weird 22:26 After that turn's events were complete or? 22:27 <@luxidream> i don't even know when I got lifesaved during the run 22:27 <@luxidream> but I got the life saving message after eating a random corpse on medusa 22:27 <@luxidream> with nothing else that would have killed me 22:27 Oh 22:27 <@luxidream> the life saving amulet had already been used up for a while 22:27 weird 22:28 I'm surprised -3 ac is enough to take on astral (with lifesaving) even with the orb 22:28 <@luxidream> i would have won if I hadn't hit the 2/3 chance lol 22:28 <@luxidream> 1/3 I mean 22:28 ? 22:28 well then colour me even more surprised that -3ac is enough even without lifesaving lol 22:29 neutral altar is bad and should feel bad Umbire 22:29 <@luxidream> anyway it was because I was dumb and zapped poly without putting on polymorph control first 22:29 <@luxidream> might have cost me the whole run idk 22:29 Aw 22:29 <@luxidream> need more practice 22:29 waht ahpepend 22:29 how did water plane go? 22:30 <@luxidream> ez 22:30 <@luxidream> you can get haxed there but it didn't happen that time 22:30 could have wrested that wand during water for a cockatrice corpse or something 22:30 <@luxidream> I tried 22:30 <@luxidream> but then I saw the portal 22:30 rngesus said no? :( 22:30 ahh 22:31 <@luxidream> aoei: i died at 1:13 on astral 22:31 oof 22:31 <@luxidream> actually that's 1:13 with soko completion 22:31 <@luxidream> pretty sick 22:31 damn 22:31 I wonder if K2 intended it to be -2 to +2 <--- yup 22:31 K2: Message from FIQ at 2021-01-01 20:02 EST: fixed crash when searching for tarps 22:31 K2: Message from FIQ at 2021-01-01 21:57 EST: pushed fiqhack update again, zoo gold stuff 22:32 doesn't count if you die tho :V 22:32 that is pretty cool tho, aside from the dying bit 22:32 <@luxidream> i hit neutral altar 22:32 <@luxidream> would have won with good luck 22:32 :( 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law), 11691 points, T:9941, killed by a wounded horse 22:34 <@luxidream> well that was supposed to be my winrate account so oops 22:34 oof 22:35 i cant sleep so im gonna "speedrun" rangers some more 22:35 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3291 22:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed Malcanthet, on T:57607 22:39 FIQhack updated (all servers) 22:39 ^ FIQ did things and stuff 22:39 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:21245 22:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:38627 22:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:38627 22:44 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 22:44 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 22:46 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 22:47 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:48 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 22:50 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided class ;, on T:38782 22:51 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 22:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:38835 22:55 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6335 points, T:10068, killed by a panther 22:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered Nephi, his faithful kitten, on T:1059 22:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) put the invisible Death down for a little nap, on T:38848 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 339 points, T:1208, killed by an uninjured giant bat, while fainted from lack of food 22:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Law), 15098 points, T:5323, killed by a wounded xorn 23:01 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 23:01 [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Cav Hum Fem Law), 1783 points, T:3540, killed by a giant leech 23:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:03 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 23:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1391 23:03 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Pestilence, on T:38900 23:04 Umbire: gold bug is a monster in biodiversity patch and unnethack 23:08 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Famine, on T:38957 23:10 go go @910rd 23:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "a blessed potion of booze named Happy New Year!", on T:38972 23:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1995052 points, T:38973, ascended 23:11 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Glord/nethack/dumplog/1609380066.nh.html 23:12 gratz Glord 23:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 326 points, T:1199, killed by uninjured Ms. Kars; the shopkeeper 23:13 <@910rd> Ty! 🙂 23:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 8100 points, T:2055, killed by a xan 23:19 gratz 23:21 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 23:21 !booze 910rd 23:21 * Beholder hands 910rd a tall glass of the hooch, conjured by Athame at -18 degrees Celsius. 23:23 !drink 9|_0r|) 23:23 <@910rd> !drink 23:23 <@910rd> lol idk 23:23 <@luxidream> !tea luxidream 23:23 * Beholder throws luxidream a mug of white tea, fermented by FCCBot at 33 degrees Celsius. 23:23 <@luxidream> sips 23:23 need a random drink, not necessarily booze 23:23 <@910rd> Thanks aoei, tinklebear! 23:26 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:27 <{Demo}> aoei what is ranger speedrun? 23:27 choose ranger 23:27 smash keys fast 23:27 try not to die (this is the bit i struggle with) 23:27 <{Demo}> Ranger for shits n giggles? 23:28 ya 23:28 ranger is quite fun and can kill things quite effectively with their bow 23:28 <{Demo}> ok, making sure there isn't some secret ranger speedrun meta I was unaware of 23:29 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 23:29 <@luxidream> it's decent 23:30 stenno hates them for some reason 23:30 <@luxidream> i got under 1h30 with it so it must be good 23:30 haha 23:30 <@luxidream> unlike arc over here 23:31 <@luxidream> stenno if arc is so good you should speedrun it for me :V 23:32 lol 23:36 -!- Heliokopis has joined #hardfought 23:36 [hdf-us] [fh] Ghein (Bau) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 32954 points, T:2274, killed by an Uruk-hai, while engraving 23:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Priest, on T:27355 23:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] wlpj2011 (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed eitbo's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:2629 23:42 -!- Heliokopis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1248 23:46 [hdf-us] [spl] Jilvane (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 68 points, T:536, sent to the next life by an incubus called Balthamel 23:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Jilvane (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 24 points, T:235, killed by a wooden crossbow bolt 23:49 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 23:51 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 23:53 <.< 23:53 another blessed lamp 23:53 another hostile djinni 23:53 [hdf-us] [spl] Jilvane (Bar Inf Nbn Cha), 284 points, T:1982, killed by a black pudding 23:54 aoei: why u keep disturbing the genies? 23:54 [hdf-us] [spl] Jilvane (Bar Inf Mal Cha), 15 points, T:78, killed by an electric shock 23:54 :C 23:54 i thought they wanted to be free! 23:54 lol 23:55 i've had 3 hostile djinn from blessed magic lamps tonight 23:55 introvert genies like the lockdowns 23:55 lol 23:56 4 23:56 Wait, no 23:56 3 hostiles *from* 4 blessed lamps total 23:57 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 23:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3380 23:58 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 23:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] wlpj2011 (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3411 23:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2721 points, T:3402, killed by a wounded panther 23:59 Gonna piss all over AT&T's headquarters, I swear. 23:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:4271