00:00 nvm, found it 00:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8166 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4790 00:04 <@910rd> that was scary, but thx k2 00:04 heh 00:04 you're good to go 00:04 thanks for saving 00:04 can play again 00:04 <@910rd> ty! 00:05 just have hdf-au left to do, no one is playing 370-hdf there right now 00:06 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 00:06 ^ if that hadnt happened in a timely manner, no one would have been able to ascend :) 00:07 * arahael is back! 00:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5582 00:11 Hi arahael 00:11 Umbire: Howdi 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:8665 00:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:8756 00:30 -!- truculent has joined #hardfought 00:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Priest, on T:11322 01:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] hearsegirl (Nob Hlf Fem Cha), 36 points, T:328, killed by a marid 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9552 01:08 -!- truculent has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 01:20 I know some variants change the Wizard quest nemesis from not!Sauron, but I forget which ones and what to 01:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] hearsegirl (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2638 01:31 No answers for that? Anyone? 01:32 @Luxidream Congrats on the latest ascension btw 01:32 I actually would like your help for something 01:32 <@luxidream> xnethack changes it to "anaraxis the black" 01:32 <@luxidream> also thanks 01:32 And thank you in return for that valuable info 01:32 On the note of wizards 01:32 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Dark_One 01:32 This needs some updating/currentifying, you want to take a swing at it? 01:34 <@luxidream> sure 01:34 <@luxidream> I'm really uncertain about him being able to summon nasties, I've never seen it happen 01:35 <@luxidream> let me try entering the quest at a really high level in wizmode 01:35 Sure, sure 01:35 I'll leave that to you while I continue bulking up the ATT pages 01:36 "From 3.6.0 on, the Eye must be worn to confer magic resistance, making those strategies viable. " 01:36 I wonder if I play nethack again there will be some detail like this and I die embarrassingly because I thought something still works the way it does 01:36 <@luxidream> don't wish for sceptre and you'll be fine 01:37 "Prior to NetHack 3.6.0, the Sceptre of Might conferred magic resistance when carried in addition to when wielded. " 01:37 yeah I'm dead 01:38 <@luxidream> i thought about wishing for it anyway but 01:38 <@luxidream> valk can't use mace lol 01:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 18321 points, T:12505, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 01:41 @luxidream uhhhhhhhhhh 01:41 you're not already editing are you? 01:41 <@luxidream> no 01:41 aw jizo :c 01:41 oh good 01:41 <@luxidream> apparently he can cast summon nasties at level 16 01:42 <@luxidream> til 01:42 <@luxidream> he has MR 80 though so trying to sleep him is likely to fail 01:43 Yeah, there's that and then there's the mix of 3.4.3 and 3.6.0 stuff 01:43 <@luxidream> are you editing right now umbire 01:43 And you tend to be better at reconciling that than me 01:43 Yeah, just adding a note about the name change 01:44 Yep, spelled right 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:74170 01:44 @luxidream have at it 01:45 I'll come behind you and double-check for details, style, little things 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 533 points, T:960, killed by an uninjured dwarf 01:50 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:3458 01:58 Tried this random orcish helm. Turns out it's a -5 orcish helm. Oof. 01:58 Never seen that before! 02:00 It's always possible 02:00 Just less likely the more the absolute value of the enchantment 02:00 Right. 02:00 and in this case it's far likelier that helmet you just tried was cursed 02:00 I just washed it away in the water. 02:01 Oh, it was cursed, indeed. 02:01 lol 02:01 Nothing a good head-soaking can't solve 02:01 :D 02:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:10650 02:09 @luxidream gonna add a history section for the 3.4.3 stuff since it's pertinent to variants based on it 02:13 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:13 <@luxidream> I don't know how far we should go with that 02:14 <@luxidream> should there be a history section on every quest nemesis now that elbereth is no longer a good strategy on them? 02:14 Eh, not necessarily I don't think 02:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Law) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:48897 02:15 and in this case I'm more concerned about the Eye's mechanical changes affecting his fight 02:15 <@luxidream> maybe just put a note in the variants section 02:15 <@luxidream> in 3.4.3 and variants based on it, the eye gives him mr, etc 02:16 That's the essence of what I was doing with the history section anyway 02:16 and it's right above the Variants section (which itself needs fleshing out, but I at least made sure one exists) 02:17 <@luxidream> is there any precedent for a history section as opposed to putting 3.4.3 information in the variants section 02:17 <@luxidream> I don't know what the standard is 02:17 History is usually for stuff pertinent to previous versions (3.4.3 , 3.6.0, etc.) 02:18 The main article is generally supposed to be as current as possible outside of that 02:18 <@luxidream> are there any pages with a history section? 02:18 aosdict can probably give you a more concrete standard to work with 02:18 Unlocking tools for one 02:18 Neferet the Green 02:18 Ranger quest 02:19 those are just off the top of my head, but there's many more 02:19 The figurine page has one, since the starting inventory change was p. major 02:20 <@luxidream> ok thanks 02:20 <@luxidream> yeah that's all I wanted to know 02:20 npnp 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:15085 02:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3293 02:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] hearsegirl (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11992 02:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2053 02:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:5531 02:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3409 points, T:5666, killed by a nearly deceased werewolf 02:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 3890 points, T:2248, killed by a gnome lord 02:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed jizosaves' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:17644 02:50 Last thing before I leave in 10 minutes 02:50 https://allthetropes.org/wiki/NetHack/Analysis 02:51 Anything you more experienced people wanna add? 02:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1682 03:00 seems not 03:00 baw 03:01 A lot of what I was able to do with the main page and analysis page was due to the knowledge you contributed via the wiki, IRC, etc. and I'm genuinely thankful for all of that, which is why I'm always eagerly seeking more 03:01 ("you" being all of you in here and such) 03:01 Yeah, I had a look through, it's pretty nicely formatted. 03:01 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:04 Maybe one thing that might be nice to add is to give a little hint that makes their early-game easier. Eg, that wizards do well using their dart skill and preferring armour even if it suppresses their spellcasting at the start. 03:05 However, there's always one-more-thing. I think what you've got there is nice. 03:06 <@riker> umby ask that question again when it's not midnight in the US and you may get some more responses 03:06 <@luxidream> yea I need to sleep soon 03:07 GMT+10 is the true timezone. 03:07 <@riker> am I up rn? sure. but im not really all here rn mentally or spiritually so imma just poke at that tmrw 03:07 <@luxidream> but wait before I do does this look like a pog 03:07 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/794114480752689193/unknown.png 03:07 <@riker> arahael i have no clue where that is 03:07 <@riker> yes luxi 03:07 <@luxidream> ok thanks 03:07 riker: I'm in Australia. (Sydney) 03:07 <@luxidream> I needed a stream emote 03:07 <@riker> that's the most cursed pog I've seen but it fs counts 03:07 <@riker> ahh 03:08 <@riker> ahhh ok arahael 03:08 <@luxidream> original is 03:08 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/794114675901857802/unknown.png 03:08 <@riker> my guess was gonna be like Russia or Turkey probably 03:08 <@riker> idk I dont know how long europe is 03:08 Well, consider that GMT+0 is basically england, I think... And that until recently, England was part of Europe. 03:09 <@riker> umbire what's your zone? you're active when I am mostly so I'd have said US too? 03:09 EST 03:09 <@riker> yeah I know that's the left border but like when does it stop 03:09 <@luxidream> uh it's 3 am over there 03:09 And yeah I'm a night owl 03:09 <@riker> does it ever end 03:09 6_9 03:09 <@riker> am I in eastern eastern europe 03:09 haaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaa 03:09 uboapog 03:09 love it 03:10 <@riker> scp-5483: Eastern Eastern Europe 03:10 Oh, I love the SCP series. 03:10 <@riker> yeah ok im not judging you being awake im just saying you should know not to expect much 03:10 sounds akin to that fictional country in the Middle East of Asia 03:10 <@riker> also I hereby nominate Ohio as Easternmost Europe 03:10 @riker nah you're good, I really should ask earlier 6_9 03:11 I was having a walk earlier. :) To the local waterfall. 03:11 <@riker> if that falls through then im nominating Oklahoma 03:11 <@riker> look at u mr. "its only late evening" smh 03:12 <@riker> not asleep like a cool person 03:12 <@luxidream> can oklahoma be part of the eu then? 03:12 <@luxidream> :3 03:13 * arahael is very tempted to go for the BoH in soko this time. 03:13 arahael: Good luck 03:14 also I really should note that under like Fletchette Storm 03:14 Umbire: Thanks. I'll probably still go for the ", though. 03:14 darts and daggers are decent ranged options 03:14 <@riker> bet luxi 03:14 <@riker> as long as we can burn California to the ground 03:15 Umbire: I've got a magic lamp but haven't had any coaligned altars to bless it with. :/ 03:15 the way people have completely disregarded indigenous practices of controlled burning, odds are it'll burn itself down 03:15 arahael: that's good tho 03:15 lets you hedge your bets and focus on what you want from Soko 03:15 and you can wish for the other stuff after 03:16 that's one way to look at it anyway :B 03:16 Umbire: Right. I'll very likely end up wishing up dragonbane again, but the trouble I find is that I really, really need reflection and MR to survive, generally - and really, really *want* a BoH. 03:16 <@riker> just play dice and rub it anyway 03:16 saaaaaaaame 03:16 <@riker> 20% isnt awful :) 03:16 honestly I'd save the BoH until you have other stuff locked down 03:17 riker: Heh, but it's cursed. 03:17 I mean it's killing ME at the moment but the wait'll be worth it 03:17 Yeah, that's why I'm thinking I'll ultimately go for teh ". 03:18 alright, that'll do for now 03:18 Hmm. How to determine which door to open... Normally one would use Obj Detection for that, but I wonder... What about *Magic* detection? 03:19 I don't follow 03:19 I'm playing evilhack, the only way to determine what might be behind the doors is, I think, magic detection in my case as I don't have Obj Detection. 03:20 how do tho 03:20 Scroll of magic detection? 03:21 Oh that exists? 03:21 Sick 03:21 Yep, that works. And yep, it exists. 03:21 * Umbire gives thumbs up 03:21 again, good luck 03:21 20 min overdue 6_9 03:21 priorities for tomorrow: work on fleshing out dNetHack ATT article, help with NHWiki's XNet stuff for good ol' Aos, consider Izchak Miller article for ATT, work on YMMV subpage to further import the Contentious Opinions I've heard over the years, and 03:21 finally, start on a SLEX article 03:22 Amy should enjoy that last one 03:22 For now though, I bid ye good night 03:22 Sleep well! 03:23 Likewise! o/ 03:23 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:26 * arahael is *not* sleeping yet. ;) 03:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Law) killed Mother Hydra, on T:53133 03:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Law) killed Father Dagon, on T:53137 03:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:20569 03:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 49 points, T:186, killed by a dagger 03:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:15628 03:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 162 points, T:348, killed by an uninjured dwarf 03:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Law) killed Great Cthulhu, on T:53397 03:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:8868 03:48 *sigh*. Again gold. 03:50 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 03:52 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:57 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 03:58 -!- bort13 has joined #hardfought 04:01 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:22067 04:02 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 04:03 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 536 points, T:1315, killed by a wounded rothe 04:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 39280 points, T:11009, killed by an energy vortex 04:08 Oof. That was a high powered energy vortex. 04:08 Promising game. :( 04:09 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 04:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 277 points, T:1564, killed by an uninjured gnome 04:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 54 points, T:261, killed by an uninjured sewer rat 04:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Abldabl (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Law) wished for "Magic Marker", on T:53965 04:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (pythons), on T:23351 04:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 254 points, T:359, killed by an uninjured dwarf 04:24 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 247 points, T:402, killed by a wounded hobbit 04:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1728 points, T:2007, killed by a bugbear 04:35 <@riker> energy vortices are remarkably lethal 04:35 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1478 points, T:1458, killed by a white unicorn 04:37 riker: And fast. 04:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 3555 points, T:1617, killed by a mumak 04:57 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:57 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:33372 05:00 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 05:01 huh Umbire's not here, I wonder what slex article he wants to create, seeing as he doesn't play it often himself 05:02 aoei: well I don't know about everyone else but I absolutely love https://nhqdb.alt.org/?3276 <3 05:03 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 146293 points, T:26588, killed by an uninjured fire giant 05:09 What's darkwood!? 05:09 Especially, a darkwood staff. 05:11 darkwood is just an appearance, you need to identify it or "magic detect" it to find out which spell school it supports 05:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) averted death (killed by a giant bat), on T:1565 05:12 Ah, so not a material, then. 05:14 Hmm. h-with-a-wand-of-fire. 05:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:34503 05:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:14230 05:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3508 05:33 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 05:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 3793 points, T:2653, killed by a soldier ant 05:34 * arahael is not doing well today. 05:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3759 05:37 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 108 points, T:494, killed by a falling rock 05:41 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 05:42 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:43 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 05:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 1136 points, T:2213, quit 05:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:18962 05:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:36142 05:51 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1236 points, T:1092, killed by an arrow 06:01 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2396 points, T:1111, killed by a magic missile 06:08 Five dlvl's, including in minetown... And not a single dagger or knife or similar weapon or any unlocking tool! 06:09 sup 06:10 Also, I'm drinking 'vodka'. :) 06:10 'sup, dude? 06:10 SUHH DUH 06:11 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s6TY1SRABes 06:13 I rarely watch youtube. 06:13 oh wait 06:13 funny voices thing again i forgot arahael sorry 06:13 lol 06:13 D: 06:13 nevermiiiind 06:13 People who like funny voices like that are weird, imho. ;) 06:14 lol 06:17 I GOTS A DAGGAR! 06:18 woot 06:19 -!- Nelennath has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7 points, T:137, killed by a nearly deceased goblin 06:25 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 06:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2330 points, T:1955, killed by Mr. Malasgirt; the shopkeeper 06:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 199 points, T:396, killed by a lava demon 06:29 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 06:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 29 points, T:88, killed by a scroll of earth 06:39 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 286 points, T:460, killed by an arrow 06:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1410 06:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:6487 06:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:6652 06:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 5369 points, T:6863, killed by a bolt of lightning 07:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1214 07:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Mal Neu) murdered Slasher, his faithful little dog, on T:1014 07:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1704 points, T:2021, killed by a wounded giant beetle 07:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5363 07:30 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4112 07:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law), 3640 points, T:6696, killed by a wounded crocodile 07:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4766 07:42 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:48 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 07:55 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 07:59 :| 07:59 why the hell did i turn off prayconfirm 08:00 now Mars is pissed at me 08:00 but i don't really want to quit because i have a sweet scroll shop in this game 08:00 guess i better look up the min difficulty to mollify a chaotic god 08:00 and survive without god help for a while 08:03 oh, interesting 08:04 i can also mollify my god by sacrificing a former pet on another god's altar 08:04 or by saccing another god's unicorn on their altar 08:04 pet probably easier but means i have to tame and kill a pet, trade anger for luck penalty 08:05 might be worth it 08:06 I think it's worth it 08:06 yeah same nabru 08:06 just need to find a dog to tame or something 08:06 i have tripe 08:06 and i have a neutral altar 08:06 a difficulty 11 corpse will be much harder to get 08:07 nabru: Venus will smite me tho 08:07 if i get an air elemental then rip 08:07 other elementals i can probably run from 08:07 but yea seems like the most solid plan i guesse 08:08 oh killing a tame monster is also only -1 to luck 08:08 i'll trade 1 anger for -1 luck any day lol 08:09 :/ 08:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:23405 08:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:23405 08:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1394 08:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:8471 08:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful large dog, on T:2357 08:24 ok i attempted to sac my former pet dog to venus twice, which was probably unnecessary 08:24 i *think* i should be good with Mars now 08:24 i hope so lol 08:24 The corpse is not consumed, perhaps due to a bug. <-- ah the wiki even says this 08:24 ok 08:25 cool 08:29 I feel like I get a lot more werecreatures than usual in the early game, but it's not a full moon effect according to the wiki (they will change to animal from more often). probably just coincidence. 08:30 *form 08:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:3211 08:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Rog Hum Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:2512 08:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 1385 points, T:2775, killed by a wand 08:36 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 08:36 @luxidream There is no existing standard for a history section. I'm iffy on them because they probably would be used only for 3.4.3 history and not history of versions before that, so you end up with little sections catering to the anti-3.6 playerbase 08:37 anti-3.6 playerbase? *raises hand* :P 08:38 @luxidream Were history sections to happen, they should probably be descriptive and only present on pages where the subject itself changed (i.e. not offer a separate set of strategy advice because that way lies madness) 08:39 so for the dark one page, he himself didn't actually change between 3.4.3 and 3.6, the differences in strategy for him come from other things 08:39 back in the day, when you killed a wolf it would die, not become a vampire with full health! also back then, a speed 3 mimic wouldn't move on two subsequent speed 12 player turns :P (and so on...) 08:41 aosdict also the iNethack player base 08:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 11652 points, T:24389, quit 08:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 11652 points, T:24383, quit 08:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5884 08:47 oof, it didn't levport me out 08:47 i shuddered instead 08:59 "You see here a double-headed axe named Cleaver (no charge)." well done pet 08:59 sweet 09:00 <{Demo}> theif! 09:00 <{Demo}> the thief must die 09:00 <{Demo}> does evilhack buff the kops and make them more of a threat? 09:00 nah 09:00 <{Demo}> or is stealing from a shop still just a "well, i hope you can kill the shopkeeper cause he's the real threat" 09:01 yeah, except there are different races 09:01 <{Demo}> oh that's right 09:01 current shk is a fire giant :-) 09:01 <{Demo}> master mind flayer loss prevention 09:01 some are easy, some are harder but they all have better equipment and wands. 09:01 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 09:02 master mind flayer shopkeepers sometimes sell scrolls of genocide 09:02 very handy 09:02 if you geno the shopkeeper, can you get what they had? 09:02 yup! 09:02 awesome! 09:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 09:08 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) had an axe entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:21517 09:08 cleaver if nice, but makes it total pain to keep pets around 09:08 *is 09:10 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:14 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 09:15 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3656 points, T:3145, killed by a wolf 09:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:7595 09:20 :| 09:20 STORMY I WANT 09:21 <{Demo}> mean 09:28 why did I think werebane was lawful 09:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9835 09:32 because werewolves are chaotic? 09:35 no I think from grayswandir parallelism 09:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Reconnoiteress, on T:10853 09:37 [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:18196 09:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:11528 09:39 -!- Nelennath has joined #hardfought 09:41 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 09:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Stella (Ran Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11629 09:43 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3586 09:47 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 672 points, T:1772, killed by a wounded gnome 09:49 "oR soko :pogchamp: 09:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 18 points, T:127, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 183 points, T:714, killed by an uninjured bat 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3947 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3947 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 arrows on an altar, on T:3952 09:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2513 points, T:4209, killed by a wounded mumak 09:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:1258 10:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:2574 10:09 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 217 points, T:280, killed by a newt 10:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:3338 10:13 -!- Alasnuyo has joined #hardfought 10:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:22114 10:15 -!- Alasnuyo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 10:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4357 10:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4357 10:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 436 points, T:2874, killed by an imp 10:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2651 points, T:4584, killed by a bolt of fire 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] sonsie (Sam Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by an uninjured Olog-hai), on T:23764 10:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 500 points, T:22908, killed by an uninjured rope golem, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:23 Huh, how'd I get the two 200zm rings labelled wrong way round? 10:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 52 points, T:268, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 10:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 27 points, T:147, killed by an uninjured water demon 10:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:277 10:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 271 points, T:973, killed by an uninjured invisible dwarf 10:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 680 points, T:1968, killed by a wounded rothe 10:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Gnr-Ran Gno Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2703 10:36 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 10:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Godhands", on T:15163 10:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 3099 points, T:4745, killed by a priest of Moloch, while paralyzed by a monster 10:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4037 10:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4133 10:57 <@luxidream> !who 10:57 @luxidream: [hdf-us] Bourne [dyn] VaderFLAG [evil] tinklebear [evil] davidkent [evil] sonsie [nh370] samiam [nh370] tsingi [nh370] Alasnuyo [dnh] Heliokopis [dnh] malor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] Vis [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 10:58 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 11:04 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 4650 points, T:4384, killed by a wounded owlbear 11:11 hay luxidream 11:11 gonna try and fix my laptop fan again today 11:11 you doing anything to celebrate the end of the shit year? 11:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:45770 11:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:18393 11:21 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:22 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 9209 points, T:10073, killed by an incubus 11:22 <@riker> gotta play nethack to celebrate aoei 11:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Cloak of the Unheld One", on T:26323 11:24 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 11:24 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 475 points, T:1622, killed by a werejackal 11:26 !PoM 11:26 APic: The moon is full for 2 more days. 11:29 -!- stenno1 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 11:29 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2333 11:32 <@luxidream> probably not lol 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 65 points, T:174, killed by a sewer rat 11:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:1481 11:52 From whose rc for Vanilla can i copy so that reduced Attributes in the Status-Line will be coloured? 11:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Val Hum Fem Neu), 717 points, T:2078, killed by a heavily wounded rothe 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:6660 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4037 11:58 According to https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Status_hilites probably OPTIONS=statushilites:10 11:58 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:4194 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Misha's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:6947 11:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed the Platinum Dragon, on T:46491 11:59 Yup, this Setting is even shown in the in-Game-Options ☺ 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:7064 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:7103 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:7108 12:01 <@Joanna> @riker i plan to do the same 12:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:20474 12:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Ana Hlf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7197 12:03 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 12:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Dro Fem Non), 114 points, T:549, killed by a goblin 12:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Dro Fem Non), 20 points, T:127, killed by a sewer rat 12:11 <@910rd> The L in the castle don't show up or mysteriously disappear in some of my games. Is this normal? 12:11 what do you mean exactly? 12:12 @910rd my current conjecture is that the spontaneous attacks between living and undead creatures kill them 12:13 it's clearly visible in 3.7 that zombies and living creatures attack each other, even without conflict 12:13 and it looks like that's not restricted to only zombies 12:13 <@910rd> I mean can't spy them when telepathy when I get there or they soon stop showing up. 12:13 <@910rd> Ah that would explain it 12:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:14 zombies are mindless, you shouldnt be able to see them with telepathy, ever 12:14 <@910rd> Right 12:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:20786 12:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Dro Fem Non), 250 points, T:1659, killed by a jackal 12:20 alright there's something great again: does everyone remember https://nhqdb.alt.org/?2497 ? well, I proudly present: https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/b01a1bad :D (click on "load diff" for artilist.h to show them all) thanks for supplying so many silly ideas for slex, guys! <3 12:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Dro Fem Non), 56 points, T:885, killed by a jackal 12:22 longbone of banana is duplicated 12:25 are you sure? I'm pretty certain I spelled the second one (longbow of banana) correctly and didn't just copy and paste it 12:25 i am just an idiot that can't read 12:26 jilles: hmm if an unintended side effect is that the castle L grudge the castle H and get clobbered, that's pretty funny 12:27 can you do the invocation with the bundleabrum of invocation? 12:27 ok i failed once again at dismantling my laptop to clean the fan 12:27 <{Demo}> y'all wanna know about side effects of monsters grudging on each other? you should see some of the stuff that has happened in dnh in the past 12:27 this time i watched a video first how to do it but i think i need better tools 12:27 its a bit tricky 12:28 and also some of the screws are stuck and i don't have any screwdrive that fits very well 12:28 amateurhour: it's spelled 'bundelabrum' 12:28 plus you have to prize out the keyboard 12:28 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 12:28 which i also failed at 12:28 i decided to give up before breaking things 12:28 it meshes with both german spelling conventions and the word "candelabrum" 12:29 plus side, my laptop still seems to work 12:29 also lol at bundelabrum 12:29 I am sorry for my lack of culture aosdict, however it is in the code as Bundleabrum of Invocation 12:29 >:^O 12:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Bin Dro Fem Non), 6245 points, T:2904, killed by a gnome mummy 12:29 aoei: have you got an HP laptop? 12:30 Lenovo B590 12:30 ok, nevermind 12:30 my laptop has 1 HP 12:30 lol 12:30 that must make it difficult 12:30 shiny, on the lid 12:30 Bundleabrum is the correct spelling :P 12:30 heaven and hell mode 12:31 my laptop is a patch-work monstrosity 12:31 most of it has 1 hp 12:31 but it has some new bits with good health 12:31 no wait! actually mine has 2 HP 12:31 the second one beneath the screen 12:31 so i guess in total it has a decent amount of hitpoints 12:31 lol aosdict 12:31 aoei: oh god you have a dwarf fortress style computer 12:32 every component taking damage separately 12:32 i wish i'd actually played that game, maybe i'd understand the joke better 12:32 lol 12:32 what I was going to say, was I phoned up the repair shop and said, my laptop has a noisy fan, and the guy said, oh, is it an HP? 12:32 ah 12:32 are they known for it lol 12:33 apparently 12:33 i think this one is just loud cuz its fecking old and the fan has never been cleaned 12:33 and when he took out the old one, I expected it to be full of dust and crud, but it looked pristine 12:33 i tried to clean it a bit, the part i could get at at least 12:33 NekoChan was saying a noisy fan can be something with a loose bearing, rather than anything to do with dust or crud 12:34 amateurhour: it's a telephone, so it cannot be used for the invocation 12:34 [hdf-us] [ndnh] rikersan (Mon Sym Fem Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:8097 12:34 yeah, that's what it was, crappy bearings 12:34 my fan isn't loud right now 12:34 but if my computer has to do any serious thinking 12:34 it sounds quite furious 12:34 and its really annoying for anything where i want to do voice chat etc. 12:35 this is compounded by the fact that my laptop mic is very good at picking up the laptop fan 12:35 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 12:37 good news: I refactored my deja vu PR to use a for loop, now it will be merged for sure 12:37 lol 12:38 \o/ 12:38 I do think it's cleaner code now though 12:38 it used to be an if and a do/while, so it was more complicated than it needed to be 12:39 congrats, qt 12:39 [hdf-us] [ndnh] rikersan (Mon Sym Fem Cha) was given Stormhelm, on T:9193 12:42 thanks lol, the PR has been open for half a year now so it's probably pretty pointless to tweak it. but I noticed it could be improved so I figured I'd do it anyway 12:42 [hdf-us] [ndnh] rikersan (Mon Sym Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:9737 12:44 [hdf-us] [ndnh] rikersan (Mon Sym Fem Cha), 105379 points, T:9845, killed by an air elemental of Chaos 12:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Clk Fem Neu), 432 points, T:99, killed by a water moccasin, while praying 12:51 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Ana Hlf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:9725 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2803 12:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law), 2888 points, T:2975, killed by an uninjured wolf 13:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:31453 13:06 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 13:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] rikersan (Mon Clk Fem Neu), 25555 points, T:2994, killed by a freezing sphere, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:07 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3652 points, T:4479, killed by a pony 13:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law), 468 points, T:707, killed by an uninjured gnome queen, while sleeping 13:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:13023 13:11 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pondlife (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2152 13:16 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 13:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Quicksilver", on T:22012 13:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Knight, on T:18141 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6835 13:23 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2783 13:37 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:6856 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:3234 13:39 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2599 points, T:4996, killed by a bolt of lightning 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3424 13:41 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 169 points, T:1912, killed by a kobold lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 13:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:23364 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:8547 13:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 23015 points, T:8746, killed by brainlessness 13:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed Master Kaen, on T:23842 13:49 <@malor> @K2 Master Kaen has been buffed since I last played a monk. So be very careful before you face him. The earthquake ability summons Xorns which are pretty tough for a monk. And he hits like a ton of bricks. 13:49 thanks 13:49 yeah i found that out the hard way :P 13:50 <@malor> I mean, you sort of knew he was tough, but he's even tougher than I thought he was. 13:50 * K2 shakes his fists at kaen 13:55 that bastard 13:55 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 13:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) became the Sage of Law, on T:24287 14:00 can't believe we can't just phone a demon to let us into the sanctum Amy 14:00 smh my head 14:00 :D 14:00 curses makes me crazy 14:01 what is the 'alternative graphics set G0' 14:01 or G1 14:01 how can i make my terminal show me the keymappings of the 'graphics set' 14:01 is it ibmgraphics? is it DECgraphics? IDK 14:02 also why is it that when i read about the intricacies of anything terminal, i land on the pages of eric s. raymond 14:02 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:02 lol esr 14:03 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1977 points, T:3820, killed by a dwarf 14:03 well he is important for nethack 14:03 <{Demo}> that guy didnt get punched enough 14:04 and also important for foss 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant eel, on T:56486 14:04 well he has some Opinions about gun usage 14:04 but eh 14:04 he made the 'smart questions' reader which is great when you make IRC support 14:05 -!- talkingleaf has joined #hardfought 14:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 858016 points, T:56490, killed by the wrath of Moloch 14:06 stenno1: in debian wheezy I could swap between those charsets by doing Ctrl-N and Ctrl-O (I think?) at a tty login prompt. after wheezy it doesn't seem to work. 14:06 i know how to swap it 14:06 i want to know where that charset is defiend 14:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7344 14:07 i am looking at a ttyrec with curses enabled and i see the \e(B escape sequence which switches to g0 14:07 but what exactly is the g0 character set 14:07 have you looked in man 7 charsets? 14:07 no 14:07 isn't it open source? could you not source-dive? 14:08 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a fire elemental, on T:32258 14:08 hothraxxa: i'd have to source-dive xterm code i guess 14:09 man charsets is already helpful i think 14:09 well, from my purely playful messing around in at wheezy tty login prompt, I suspect a lot of those characters are used to draw the non-ascii maps in nethack, for one 14:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Ana Hlf Mal Cha), 88574 points, T:13671, killed by Mr. Budereyri, the shopkeeper 14:09 tinklebear: indeed, g0 is used for curses line drawing and the rest 14:10 oh, cool. 14:10 i like ISO 8859-12 14:10 This set does not exist. 14:10 i just want to know, which is the character set g0 14:11 or g1 14:12 or is that just the name of the character set 14:14 does my terminfo tell me what the g1 set is 14:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Bartlem's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1427 14:16 or is that chust a region of the charset 14:16 ah well 14:16 i think when i drink a bit more beer, i will finally understand 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:1462 14:17 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) had a steel dwarvish short sword entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:32292 14:17 this is all luxidreams fault 14:17 <{Demo}> I've had an awful hangover level headache all day without even drinking yesterday or anything 14:17 why does he uses curses for his ttyrec 14:17 <{Demo}> took some ibuprofen but it isn't helping much 14:17 {Demo}: so maybe you have migraine? 14:17 hmm ibuprofen doesn't help? 14:18 <{Demo}> it stopped getting worse 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1019 points, T:1480, killed by an uninjured gnome 14:18 man that must be unpleasant 14:18 headaches suck 14:18 and a rothe helped (both the ghosts were killed by rothes too) 14:18 did you drink enough water? 14:18 <{Demo}> yeah i do 14:18 enough fresh air? 14:19 <{Demo}> its annoying cause my screen aggravates it 14:19 <{Demo}> yeah probably 14:19 oh 14:19 so you looked at your screen too much 14:19 <{Demo}> i doubt it 14:19 there are anti-headache glasses for looking at the screen 14:19 <{Demo}> no more than usual 14:19 m 14:19 <@malor> I think I am going to break the dNethack pack-rat record this game πŸ™‚ 14:19 <{Demo}> ok maybe i need github dark mode 14:19 dark mode ftw 14:19 <{Demo}> fuck, i have to log in for that 14:20 demo: i find naproxen much more effective than ibuprofen. it works on my migraines, which ibuprofen can't touch 14:20 its a shame that they just don't provide an alternate stylesheet and let the browser handle it 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:74511 14:21 <{Demo}> ok i think tabbing between WHITE GITHUB and BLACK TERMINAL for hours in the last couple days may? have played a part in this? 14:21 stenno1: I searched "G0" at unicode.org. This came up. Looked possibly useful. "UTR#17: Unicode Character Encoding Model" http://www.unicode.org/reports/tr17/ 14:21 tinklebear: thanks, i will look at it 14:21 i learned already that unicode doesn't have the concept of g0,g1 14:22 wait ISO 8859-1 latin 14:22 is latin 14:22 latin1 14:23 but my terminal can magically display g1 code even though the character encoding is unicode 14:24 utf-8 14:24 ah well 14:26 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:27 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:74588 14:31 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:32 maybe i am just too dumb for this shit 14:32 but this is usually the least satisfying outcome for programming problems 14:33 <{Demo}> try hitting it 14:33 <{Demo}> against something sturdy 14:33 <{Demo}> metaphorically 14:34 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:33033 14:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2688 points, T:1778, killed by an Uruk-hai 14:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:35 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 14:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 14:36 Watch me fail at minimum turn count runs: https://www.twitch.tv/antigulp 14:36 AntiGulp: Messages from aoei and qt have been forwarded to you privately. 14:36 aaagh 14:36 everyone is doing speedruns now, very good 14:36 * stenno1 approves of that general attitude 14:36 aoei got me into doing minimum turn count like a month ago or so, and turns out I really enjoy it 14:36 nice! 14:36 Even if I’m pretty awful at it lol 14:37 you will get better with training 14:37 it will also improve your 'normal' play 14:37 nethack speedrun bootcamp when 14:37 Oh definitely. It’s forced me to be way more resourceful and to think outside the box a lot. 14:37 new slex minturn world record when :P 14:37 noone will ever be able to ascend slex again 14:38 record is fixed in stone 14:38 Unless Tariru reappears lol 14:38 heh, I do have a few ongoing characters that appear to be mildly promising 14:39 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) sent Death up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire, on T:74637 14:39 porkman has two slex ascensions 14:39 ^ 14:40 yeah but he decided to (rage-)quit slex forever after those two, so even if he were to reappear, he won't be playing again, probably 14:40 i can't iamgine why 14:40 :thinking: 14:41 when i am in the mood to take psychedelic drugs, i will probably play slex again 14:41 which is maybe never 14:41 well, just saying that he likely won't be the one to beat Tariru's record 14:41 again 14:41 i will try it once i ascended ndnh, dnh and evilhack 14:42 by then amy will have added another 200-400 levels 14:42 porkman's strategies were all yeeted by updates 14:42 heh, the upcoming version 2.70 does add side dungeons with over 100 levels total, but they're all optional 14:42 possibly 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law), 5352 points, T:6975, killed by a slightly wounded hill orc, while fainted from lack of food 14:42 yay optional dungeons ftw 14:42 sheol in vanilla when 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) sent Death up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire, on T:74655 14:43 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:43 amateurhour: victim of developer's syndrome 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered Catra, her faithful kitten, on T:254 14:43 amateurhour is the victim of it, or slex is? 14:43 i did a couple of levels of sheol in my last unnh game, but i stopped because crystal ice golems fuck them 14:43 knowing him he probably exploited so mechanisms 14:44 some 14:44 hothraxxa: but killing the executioner will give you an extra magic marker! 14:44 exactly 14:44 also he has a weakness 14:44 i took him down once 14:45 and you get a free cleaver 14:45 as in porkman is the victim of developer's syndrome aosdict 14:45 but then i could use a crystal pick to go through crytsal ice 14:45 you can't do that anymore it seems 14:46 there was a (short) time where crystal pick was totally OP 14:46 amateurhour: exactly 14:46 it was by far the best offhand weapon 14:46 Unsanctioned Fun Detected, This is Not A Drill 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) sent Death up the wooden hill to Bedfordshire, on T:74678 14:47 amateurhour: know of a more formal name for that behavior? I know what you're describing of course but now I'm wondering if there's an actual name 14:47 damn github search is borked 14:47 cannot find the string 'crystal' anywhere 14:47 amateurhour: i'd say it is more "successful strategy detected" 14:47 web searches for developer's syndrome are finding a bunch of articles about developers having impostor syndrome 14:48 * stenno1 puts on his helmet and ventures to sourcefoge 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:74696 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 blessed historic scrolls of charging called charging named energizer bunny", on T:581 14:49 sourcefog: when the code is written in perl 14:49 hehe 14:49 readonly 14:49 er 14:49 writeonly 14:50 to be fair, you can probably make any language writeonly 14:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) became the Nasu no Heliokopis, on T:47724 14:50 idk of one aosdict, I'm sure there must be one 14:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed wand of polymorph named Polystick", on T:582 14:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2565 points, T:1111, killed by a gnome zombie 14:52 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:74741 14:55 someone on /r/roguelikes wants to convince me to play slash'em 14:55 i see no use in that 14:56 <@riker> yeah, you know the true 14:56 <@riker> *truth 14:56 <@riker> slex is much better in every way 14:56 it might well be 14:56 it is just not my kind of variant style 14:56 kitchen sink style 14:57 i much more apprechiate the consistency of dnethack/notdnethack 14:57 like the consistent theme 14:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1485 points, T:620, fell into a pit of cold-iron spikes 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a quasit, on T:7273 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed Master Key of Thievery", on T:594 14:59 slex has a huge amount of replayability and should therefore be a recommendation in that thread :P 15:00 thats true 15:00 its a stupid thread anyway 15:00 the question should be 'what is your favorite roguelike' 15:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) was given Godhands, on T:48018 15:01 thats what OPs question boils down to 15:01 and the downvoted answers are like 'enter the gungeon' 15:01 and then they complain about suggesting a roguelite and how all /r/roguelike people are close-minded and stuff 15:02 -!- qt has quit [Quit: bye] 15:02 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 15:03 yeah it always goes like that in r/roguelikes, someone comes in saying how he likes some roguelite and then everyone piles on that poster :P 15:04 and rightly so 15:04 i strongly believe in genres 15:04 also in music 15:04 <{Demo}> bundle bundle play slex bundle 15:06 always great that i can brag about my nethack achievements on reddit 15:06 doesn't happen too often 15:06 in that case it was almost appropriate 15:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:27282 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] charlie14690 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3674282 points, T:74786, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/c/charlie14690/nethack/dumplog/1580675520.nh.html 15:10 Yay charlie14690 15:10 grats 15:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:48157 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1997 15:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Brd Inc Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1247 15:17 time to go to sleep now because today is my last day of vacation and I have to get up at 6 AM tomorrow. night guys :) 15:17 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:17 thats a way to spend sylvester 15:17 poor amy 15:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:2988 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3232 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:3471 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3564 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:1697 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed historic fixed amulet of reflection named I am Rubber, you are Glue", on T:1833 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Adept, on T:4442 15:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:14238 15:30 life is soup, i am fork 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3457 15:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Brd Inc Fem Neu), 12000 points, T:2539, killed by a giant zombie, while fainted from lack of food 15:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Cav Gno Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3391 15:37 [hdf-us] [evil] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 858 points, T:2579, killed by a giant spider 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Ran Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4004 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 3067 points, T:4083, killed by a wounded invisible hill orc called Uthosog of Akhaun 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Pri Hum Mal Law), 3667 points, T:6030, killed by an uninjured giant beetle 15:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 214096 points, T:33295, killed by a fire elemental 15:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:17547 16:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:20183 16:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:15133 16:06 !PoM 16:06 APic: The moon is full for 2 more days. 16:06 lol, very nice new Message: You can't rush upward. 16:06 rush b 16:07 hey this was (still is?) a cs server too, i am allowed to make those references 16:08 πŸ˜‰ 16:08 * APic thinks on CS everybody rushed, except for lame Snipers πŸ˜‰ 16:08 well 16:08 its a strategy right 16:08 i am sure on competitive level, camping is just a normal strategy 16:10 last tactical shooter i played was wolfenstein: enemy territory 16:10 maybe i should look into it again 16:10 but i am probably too slow for it 16:10 * APic is playing NetHack, but not a Ranger at the Moment πŸ˜‰ 16:11 hehe 16:11 <{Demo}> cs isnt tactical its reactical 16:12 * APic always sucked at 3D-Shooters 16:12 Even at Doom 16:13 But at LAN-Parties during School-Times i still enjoyed Doom Legacy much moar than CS 16:14 i didn't have internet for a long time so i played all the shooters against bots 16:14 so i am super noob 16:14 really online playing i started with starcraft 16:14 stenno1: https://chromium.googlesource.com/apps/libapps/+/a5fb83c190aa9d74f4a9bca233dac6be2664e9e9/hterm/doc/ControlSequences.md#SCS 16:15 stenno1: \e(B sets the G0 charset _slot_ to ASCII actually. 16:15 bhaak: yes but how do i knwo which character set G1 represents 16:15 or G0 16:15 read my link :) 16:15 bhaak: its the thing that cursesgraphics 16:16 three byte 16:16 but third byte is not used 16:16 from luxis ttyrec 16:17 (B[m[4l 16:17 at frist glance, that's not looking very valid. 16:17 er there are missing escapes 16:17 its like 16:17 but read my link first :) I'm AFK for a bit 16:17 \e(B\e[m [4l 16:18 ok, sorry 16:18 i am already a bit drunk so my attention span is even worse than normal 16:18 ok so \e( is "Set G0 character set (VT100)" 16:18 B is "ASCII" 16:18 so \e(B is "set g0 to ASCII" 16:19 ooh 16:19 \e(0\e[0 16:19 this is executed before rendering borders 16:19 'which appear as xqqqq...' in the ttyrec itself 16:19 so that means render 'graphics 16:19 0 is all the linedrawing characters https://vt100.net/docs/vt220-rm/table2-4.html 16:19 yeah 16:20 and here is https://vt100.net/docs/vt220-rm/table2-4.html 16:20 ok, ok 16:21 ok, great 16:21 \e[0m is unset bold 16:21 yeah 16:21 i am fine with the normal CSI sequences 16:21 ok thanks bhaak and tinklebear and qt 16:22 i finally got the solution 16:22 with a little help from my friends 16:22 yay 16:23 note that the tty port does it differently. 16:24 hmm yeah tty port with DECgraphics has to do it differently somehow 16:24 i have to test it 16:24 there G0 and G1 are set and then the C0 control codes SI/SO (shift in/shift out) are used 16:25 which makes it use the DEC graphics charset in 7 bit 16:26 which makes decgraphics work on utf-8 terminals 16:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:2817 16:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Neu) killed Shelob, on T:31354 16:28 wikipedia has a better formatted table for it https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DEC_Special_Graphics 16:28 but how does cursesgraphics work in my utf-8 terminal 16:28 actually i assume it works 16:28 well yeah it does 16:28 i know it does 16:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed +2 demonbane", on T:49188 16:30 i thought utf-8 implemented unicode which explicitely doesn't support g0/g1 planes 16:30 or sets 16:30 anyway, that doesn't matter for now 16:30 it needs to have special support for it 16:31 but in the past I had more problems with cursesgraphics than I ever had with decgraphics. 16:31 right 16:33 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Rog Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19459 16:36 oh wow c0 is actually ascii 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:2854 16:36 man i am so deep in a rabbithole with this lol 16:36 but its super fun 16:37 i feel like i am learning new cool stuff 16:37 40 years old new stuff :) 16:37 well yeah 16:38 old stuff which is still in usage today 16:38 for that matter, ASCII is even older :) 16:39 i thought i knew about ascii but never really looked into the chars < 0x20 apart from bell and shit lol 16:41 it's really sad that we never used the separator control codes much 16:42 and \r\n 16:42 that would have saved a lot of trouble with for example escaping CSV (which then wouldn't have been called _C_SV) or even our xlogfiles 16:42 hmm whats that good for? 16:42 lemme read 16:42 \r\n and \r and \n are a different matter 16:43 damn its 'separator' not 'seperator' 16:44 oh you mean 0x1c 16:44 0x1c to 0x1f 16:44 yeah 16:44 its semantic 16:44 not basd 16:44 bad 16:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:45 <{Demo}> I still want a universal bisector character 16:45 if you look at physical typewriters. to get to the next line, you would need \r and \n 16:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Neu) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:31857 16:45 \r taking the typewriter head to column 0 and \n pushing the paper one line further out 16:45 for a 16:45 yes, i think that microsoft does it the right way :P 16:45 \r\n 16:45 <{Demo}> Microsoft does it stupid 16:45 <{Demo}> this is a computer now 16:45 for "end-of-line" marker OTOH you don't need two bytes :) 16:46 well end of line is \n 16:46 and \r is reset cursor to the beginning of the line 16:46 just \n implies that your cursor stays at the same position 16:47 not that there are other control sequences with which you can control the cursor... 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3080 16:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Neu) killed Lungorthin, on T:32074 16:48 computationally there's no reason an end-of-line should consist of 2 characters 16:48 even if it makes sense historically 16:48 I don't really think MS or Unix is the Right Way(TM) 16:48 what bothers me is that they're different 16:48 do you like the macos way, just \r :P 16:48 (which is abandoned) 16:49 the mac OS way is nonsensical 16:49 but not really used nowdays 16:49 nnot at all 16:49 that is os9 stuff 16:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Ran Elf Mal Cha) averted death (killed by an uninjured dwarf), on T:3150 16:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:51 if you've never done it, read the ASCII paper from 1963 http://www.bahaistudies.net/asma/ascii.pdf 16:51 it's only a few pages. 16:52 oh that was even before RFC lol 16:52 you can see lots of reasoning and lots of consideration for physical telegraphing stuff 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:35716 16:53 I guess by 1968 they threw that out but I haven't seen the standard from 1968 online. and I also don't know what they changed in 1986, the last revision of ASCII 16:53 damn now its too late to obtain new tobacco so i have to borrow from my homie for the rest of the night, sucks, he is already annoyed by it lol 16:53 hm that would be interesting lol 16:53 i always assumed that it was set in stone since its inception 16:54 -!- qt has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:55 not at all. lots of things changed from the first to the second revision 16:56 for example, no lowercase characters were defined in 1963 16:56 oh wow 16:56 -!- qt has joined #hardfought 16:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed wand of polymorph called Polystick 2: It's about minotaurs", on T:2985 16:57 antigulp is not around 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Ran Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3353 16:57 did they find an early wow or are they actually at the castle 16:57 on page 5 of the standard you see a nice chart of the version from 1963. 16:57 !whereis antigulp 16:57 stenno1: [hdf-us] antigulp [nh370]: (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) T:2854 The Dungeons of Doom level: 28 16:57 looks like castl,e nice 16:58 yeah at the castle 16:58 !whereis FIQ 16:58 FIQ: FIQ is not playing. 16:58 I was spectating earlier 16:58 bhaak: will look at tit 16:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1732 points, T:3360, killed by an uninjured hill orc 16:59 <@nabru> !lastgame ichbinmiah 16:59 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/i/ichbinmiah/nethack/dumplog/1609448513.nh.html 17:00 <@luxidream> stenno: antigulp is actually streaming if you want to kibitz 17:00 oh 17:00 oh right 17:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:32976 17:02 votd time 17:02 why is antigulp playing not their own variant :) 17:02 bc she's discovered how fun minturns is 17:03 brevishack is for minturn :-p 17:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 712 points, T:1298, killed by a crossbow bolt 17:04 <@luxidream> hey aoei according to nhs 17:04 <@luxidream> what role has the highest win rate? 17:04 <@luxidream> do you know? 17:04 hm 17:05 <@luxidream> there's a table on the wiki but I'm sure it's very outdated now 17:05 yeah i might have to manually query the db somehow, don't think there's a page that'll tell you 17:05 <@nabru> I'd probably guess valkyries 17:05 i need to make that custom search page 17:05 already 17:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:17195 17:05 <@luxidream> valk and bar were pretty close 17:05 <@luxidream> on the wiki 17:05 <@luxidream> wonder if that has changed 17:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:08 bar is probably better in 3.6/3.7 than valk because of the poison resistance 17:08 my NH-related new years resolution is to ascend all hdf-available NetHack variants before the end of 2021 17:08 except for slex 17:09 jilles: exca is so good in 3.7 17:09 what makes exca good in 3.7? 17:09 <{Demo}> ascend ndnh after ndnh2 superceded ndnh1 17:09 drain res 17:10 hasn't it always had that 17:10 stormy also gives drain res 17:10 FIQ: yes, but before MC was nerfed, it wasn't that important 17:10 so you mean 3.6 I guess 17:10 not as good as excal + orb of fate, but more than good enough to win easily 17:10 <@luxidream> yea but stenno hates stormy for no reason 17:10 <@luxidream> :p 17:10 I don't like stormy either 17:10 I detest UI screw 17:10 i hate it for a good reason, reason being its a really poor endgame weapon 17:11 it doesn't really do damage against many endgame monsters 17:11 in a roguelike 17:11 <@luxidream> it saves a keypress 17:11 FIQ: also agree but thats not my main point 17:11 <@luxidream> speedrun optimal :V 17:11 @luxidream pls 17:11 also what is barb max skill in longsword 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 119712 points, T:3279, killed by an uninjured wraith 17:12 <@luxidream> it's really not that bad because you can drain yourself for clair+protection 17:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:12 err 17:12 my guess would be skilled 17:12 in whatever stormy is 17:12 broadsword 17:12 <@luxidream> skilled 17:12 skilled 17:12 ok that s good enough at least 17:12 <@luxidream> it doesn't matter what your endgame damage is 17:12 barb will probably two weapon it with something at basic, which is good enough 17:12 um yes it does 17:12 the more damage, the less time you take 17:12 on each foe 17:12 ^ 17:13 and thus the less chance of something going wront 17:13 *wrong 17:13 <@luxidream> just become a mmf and deal 5d10 extra 17:13 its just super great to just slash through your opponents with grayswandir 17:13 breaks polyselfless 17:13 also mmf can go terribly wrong too 17:13 those are just speedrun strats you try to apply to a normal game 17:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 17:14 @luxidream play a normal game as tou and go grays + silver saber 17:14 and it will be the best thing you have ever done 17:14 <@luxidream> I'm starting to like polyself more on normal games too 17:14 <@luxidream> just for an extra hp bar 17:14 and then you might apprechiate power weapons 17:14 yeah polyself is just generally amazing lol 17:14 like grays and exca 17:14 what keypress does stormy save tho 17:14 confirm to hit peaceful? XD 17:14 aoei: the 'attack peaceful' 17:14 yeah 17:14 hahahahahaa 17:14 nice 17:14 <@luxidream> that was a joke lol 17:15 yea i see tha tnow xD 17:15 @luxidream I played a polyself 3.6 game once 17:15 lawful has it easier in the early game until castle 17:15 It led to an astral splat 17:15 <@luxidream> but draining yourself early on is really good 17:15 Never doing that again 17:15 <@luxidream> if I could play chaotic valkyrie I would probably do it 17:15 there should be drainless conduct :v 17:15 just convert 17:16 conversion is expensive 17:16 maybe thats just part of the 'hacker' arsenal though 17:16 you need the right altar and you need to revgeno unicorns 17:16 a while ago I put on a helm of opposite alignment as a chaotic to use a lawful minetown altar 17:16 for holy water or? 17:16 in fiqhack, HoOA now has a delayed effect 17:17 holy water and artifacts 17:17 no need to permaconvert unless you want to save the helm slot for no apparent reason 17:17 post-quest 17:17 it took many sacrifices before I got something, but the artifact was Grayswandir 17:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:34054 17:18 lucky 17:18 thats like the only arti you want to get from saccing 17:18 maybe MB as wiz and stormy as elf ran 17:18 oh also grays as law arc 17:18 any of the other lawful artifacts would have been good as well, namely to unrestrict long sword for Excalibur 17:18 which role were you? 17:19 ranger 17:19 k 17:19 but then you'd have to be hooa'd for the rest of the run 17:19 i assume it was post-quest then? 17:19 exca is intelligent 17:19 pre quest 17:19 I eventually took off the helm and got crowned as chaotic 17:20 so you'd remove your helm for quest admittance probably 17:20 and then put it on again 17:20 oh stenno1 in answer to your question about intrinsic polymorphitis, i would say no, you don't want it 17:20 if that works 17:20 aoei: why not? 17:20 polyring in addition to polywand can be kinda good for when you dont need to change form immediately 17:20 and save overall on polywand charges 17:20 BUT, if you have the intrinsic constantly 17:20 oh on higher levels, the 'natural' poly timeout is probably better than random polymorphing 17:20 you risk being depoly'd at random times 17:20 right 17:20 which might be *really* bad 17:20 poly ring you can take off 17:20 it would mean you have to resort to uchanging 17:20 getting rid of the intrinsic however... 17:20 *unchanging 17:21 yeah but ammy slot is important in speedruns 17:21 yeah and im also really not comfortable with unchanging on a minturn run 17:21 you can't get rid of the intrinsic at all 17:21 outside fiqhack I guess 17:21 unchanging steals your second hp bar 17:21 exactly 17:21 FIQ: gremlin steal should always work 17:21 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Tyr, on T:37327 17:21 stenno1: no 17:21 but of course unreliable 17:21 gremlin steal only steals a subset of intrinsics 17:21 gremlin steal can't steal polymorphitis? 17:21 ooh 17:21 polymorphitis isn't one of them 17:21 didn't know that 17:21 thats silly imo 17:22 in fiqhack, gremlin can steal any intrinsic 17:22 <@luxidream> polymorphitis will eventually trash your hp 17:22 *gremlins 17:22 stenno1: basically you absolutely need a poly wand, but having a polyring *in addition* can be nice 17:22 you can also drink cursed wonder 17:22 yeah that is much more siensible 17:22 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:22 for the same effect 17:22 i think gremlin intrinsic steal is balanced in that way 17:22 having only polyring isn't ideal, unless you're your doing RT and not minturns, in which case it's superior 17:22 I think disenchanter corpse might also work, not 100% 17:22 its something really nethack-y, its usually bad but you can use it to your advantage in certain situations, love that shit 17:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:22 (in fh that is, in vanilla disenchanter corpses work the same way as gremlins) 17:22 shit like that is why i love nethack 17:23 stenno1: lol yea 17:23 aoei: how often do you recharge a single wand of poly in a lowturn speedrun? 17:23 I think drinking wonder might be OP in fiqhack 17:23 stenno1: I think one of my tnnt ascensions I had a 6:x polywand 17:23 and i blew one up too 17:23 because if you drink enough, the only bad intrinsic you end up with is slow 17:23 which can be cured with blessed haste 17:23 potion 17:24 i had a 6:x polywand in my paci fail run 17:24 but like 17:24 and cancelled, which is also curable 17:24 it just might explode 17:24 you will inevitably get polymorphitis 17:24 stenno1: if you don't have to change form too many times you can get away with fewer self-polys 17:24 but also unchanging 17:24 but i often end up polying a *lot* 17:24 which cancels it out 17:24 sometimes you revert due to hp loss and have to repoly in a hurry 17:24 playing better and not using up the polyform hp helps but 17:24 restful sleep can be cancelled out with extrinsic sleep res 17:24 oh in unnethack eating disenchanter will remove random intrinsic with 50% chance 17:24 is that what you mean? 17:24 polyforms tend to be a bit more squishy than a regular play 17:25 player char* 17:25 but you need high level in order to not poly back early 17:25 meanwhile you get stuff like intrinsic MR, reflection and phasing 17:25 of course, you need *a lot* of potions of wonder to make use of this OP-ness 17:25 probably more than a regular game can et 17:25 *get 17:25 feasibly 17:26 intrinsic mr? 17:26 intrinsic mr and reflection sounds super powerful, yes 17:26 can use your slots for other stuff 17:26 stenno1: in FIQHack, drinking a potion of wonder gives a random intrinsic 17:26 acid resistance with yellow dsm, amulet of flying and the like 17:26 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 24488 points, T:13962, killed by a xorn 17:27 what alchemy system does fiqhack use? 17:27 3.4.3 17:27 I don't like color alchemy 17:27 potions aren't paint buckets 17:27 so i assume potions of wonder are not alchemizable 17:28 it's not the color that makes the potion 17:28 nope 17:28 need to wish or poly for it 17:28 and they're rather rare 17:28 oh but polyable 17:28 1% of all potions are wonder 17:28 potions are much more easy to get by than scrolls 17:29 hm i don't even have a fiqhack ascension i think 17:29 you should ascend one 17:29 kinda weary about the nh4-style variants 17:29 why? 17:29 and this is _only_ because of the interface 17:29 what is it you dislike about the UI 17:29 the window stuff 17:30 I've sometimes considered making a tty-ui emulation layer 17:30 but figured it wasn't worth the effort 17:30 there are some ways to configure nh4 in that it _mostly_ behaves like vanilla 17:30 fiqhack actually adds more of those 17:30 but there are still some prompt irregularities that throw me off 17:30 think it was specifically about the --more-- prompt 17:31 I think the only major difference still is the way --More-- behaves 17:31 because NH4+friends *really* doesn't like to make messages overlap into the map window 17:31 right 17:31 and tends to --More-- more as a result 17:31 i really really like some of the ideas of nh4 and the nh4-like 17:31 I've considered looking into addressing this 17:32 but it would involve basically forcing things to behave in a way the code really isn't meant to behave 17:32 but i just get confused by the interface, i assume the interface is much cleaner for beginners, but its not good for people who are already familiar with vanilla 17:32 like the muscle-memory kind of familiar 17:32 I think fiqhack's only significant difference from vanilla tty after option changes is the --More-- behaviour 17:33 :/ 17:33 I think for the rest of it you can get it to basically mimic vanila 17:33 *vanilla 17:33 well that is good at least 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2328 17:33 maybe i should try it 17:33 again i really like a few of ais523 ideas regarding mechanics 17:33 and i heard really good things about fourk and fiqhack too 17:33 hmm i might even have a fourk asc 17:34 I think this is how similar to NH3 tty you can make fh behave like with the right options http://home.fiq.se/fh_faketty.png 17:34 oh yeah i have one ascension 17:35 oh yeah that already looks promising 17:35 i guess its mostly about the behavior of the NHWINDOWS 17:35 NH_WINDOWs 17:36 its really silly that ais spent so much time and consideration improving the UI, and that is exactly the one thing that keeps me from playing nh4-like 17:37 i like the scrolls of wishing from fourk 17:37 think its a great way to balance wishes 17:38 stenno1: will you watch dinner for one 17:38 in about 20 minutes 17:38 i am also that kind of person who advocates for making wows not generate randomly (sorry speedrunners) 17:38 aoei: hmm probably not this year 17:38 i will watch it 17:38 but its something i usually do, yes 17:38 ok 17:39 its in english so there shouldn't be an understanding problem :P 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3094 17:39 what is dinner for one 17:39 the same procedure as last year? the same procedure as every year, james. Well, i'll do my very best 17:39 qt: Dinner_for_One 17:39 oops lol 17:39 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dinner_for_One 17:40 i forgot the names of the "guests" now lol 17:40 im about to download the movie 17:40 so its ready in time for midnight lol 17:40 mr winterbottom? 17:40 It's a classic NYE movie in Europe? 17:40 admiral von schneider (skal) 17:40 mr pomeroy 17:40 qt: i hadnt encountered it in the UK but its very popular in denmark and germany 17:40 one missing 17:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:28052 17:41 its the essential new years eve programme in germany 17:41 its like, uh, die hart in the us for christmas, probably? 17:41 die hard 17:41 stenno1: fiqhack "nerfs" randomly generated wands of wishing by making monsters use them 17:41 FIQ: oh boy 17:41 they stay away from the castle waned 17:41 *wand 17:41 but they'll gladly use the rest 17:41 hahaha F 17:41 oh right you were the symmetric monster action person 17:41 is it actually really funny or just one of those classics that people watch because it's tradition? 17:41 yeah that would be me lol 17:41 FIQ: that won't stop me scumming for a first room WoW tho 17:41 :> 17:41 qt: its still funny 17:41 qt: its funny 17:42 but every german probably knows it by heart 17:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1582 17:42 maybe I'll try watching it and experience what it's like to be german 17:42 stenno1: funny thing wrt the castle wand 17:42 I made it a point of specifically avoiding doing what GruntHack did 17:42 qt: its in english so if you are a native english speaker, no problem 17:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1440 17:42 because while I liked the idea of monsters getting wishes, I wanted the castle wand to remain player-available 17:42 right 17:42 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 17:42 However, because of a bug, the checks I did didn't actually work 17:42 i agree 17:42 oh noes 17:42 So for the first junethack, monsters still used the castle wand 17:43 haha 17:43 junethack, the great variant bug testing event 17:43 hah 17:43 I like to call it the official nethack variant beta testing initiative 17:43 sometimes 17:43 sounds great 17:43 !date 17:43 !time 17:43 nabru: Thu Dec 31 17:43:45 2020 EST 17:43 well now its actually official because bhaak is part of the devteam 17:44 first year junethack started in mid of july lol 17:44 probably my fault 17:44 juliethack 17:44 also we had problems finding a hoster iirc 17:44 rawrmage hosted it first 17:44 wasn't this before you and kerio had your disagreement 17:44 couldn't he host it? 17:44 yeah that was in 2011 17:44 well acehack.de didn't exist at that ponit 17:45 ahh I see 17:45 acehack.de was the server i paid for, and kerio was the de-facto admin 17:45 it was a beast of a rootserver lol 17:45 total resource hog 17:45 i think kerio used it to bruteforce some encryption thingies 17:45 but idk 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law), 2313 points, T:4104, killed by a heavily wounded ape 17:46 but yeah at some point i got super depressed and shit and failed at everything and then everything went to shambles 17:46 not good time 17:46 junethack was hosted on ADE at least once 17:46 probably until 2014 or so 17:46 dunno where its hosted now 17:47 maybe on deepys server 17:47 no, kerios 17:47 isn't that deepys? 17:47 I'm not sure who pays for it, though 17:48 deepy, the looks, kerio, the brains 17:48 just as i was the looks for ade 17:48 yeah deepy is the looks, i.e. he pays for it 17:48 its also a hetzner root server iirc 17:48 stenno1: you lied to me this guy is speaking german https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zVd_VLO9xcc 17:49 This video contains content from Studio Hamburg, who has blocked it in your country on copyright grounds. 17:49 nice one studio hamburg 17:49 ahh, regional blocks 17:49 the root of all evil 17:49 haven't seen that in _ages_ 17:49 even worse than DRM 17:49 i thought that time was over 17:49 I mean I guess technically it is DRM 17:49 but still 17:49 http 451... 17:50 HTTP 451 Unavailable For Legal Reasons i 17:50 time to fire up a VPN hosted in another country! 17:50 I guess there was just a German intro, they started speaking English now 17:50 cpa'd 17:50 cba'd 17:50 i see that all the time. the US and UK are both awful with that. 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1434 points, T:1680, killed by a bolt of lightning 17:50 I don't see much of this here in Brazil 17:50 it was really bad 17:51 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:51 but i think yt made an agreement with GEMA 17:51 i see it all the time in australia. 17:51 but this block is not related to GEMA 17:51 it was just the default message for most music videos on yt for germany 17:52 i remember we did some synchronous youtube video watching with aoei and a few friends, and i couldn't listen to half of the songs 17:52 :c 17:52 rip 17:52 stenno1: now i will have the same problems as you hahahaa 17:52 god damn it, if the typewriter weren't invented, we all would be using pianos: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hughes_telegraph.jpg 17:52 aoei: you remember that one? 17:52 aoei: its not a problem anymore 17:52 stenno1: only vaguely lol 17:52 stenno1: ah ok 17:53 i still have some things blocked on yt tho 17:53 lol bhaak is still at ASCII topic 17:53 well a piano is convenient 17:53 for input 17:54 88 keys (iirc?) 17:54 pedals for shift, ctrl, alt 17:54 and to input special characters you need to type chords! 17:54 nah pedals 17:54 Hi 17:54 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 17:54 and you could read with your eyes closed by playing the audio 17:54 ok its new year here in 5 minutes 17:54 don't let your dreams be dreams, use a digital piano to program with 17:55 Muad: oh tahts awesome actually 17:55 maybe i am just drunk but i find that super awesome lol 17:55 use a digital keyboard that outputs MIDI commands, then have in your computer a program that turns MIDI commands into characters 17:55 PianoHack when 17:55 stenno1, i bet it wouldn't sound that awesome though 17:55 it would probably sound horrible, tho' 17:55 man didn't deepy do something like that 17:56 he used some strange input device 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:29321 17:56 would that help me practice? 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29325 17:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 12 points, T:94, killed by an uninjured goblin 17:57 combining nethack and piano practice would be... I was going to say awesome, but it would probably be somewhat nightmarish 17:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3029 17:57 the keymapping must be terrible 17:58 probably need to invent a new keymapping for it 17:58 on the plus side, you could optimize it for nethack 17:58 if you did something like mapping chords instead of single keys, it might be tolerable 17:58 well it will be dodecaphony 17:58 like uh, 17:58 albert? 17:58 er 17:59 alban berg was his name 17:59 well, you could make it tonal by making it chords in a particular key, I suppose 17:59 but then you are kinda restricted 17:59 that's what Berg said! 17:59 haha 17:59 even then its probablyt not guaranteed that it will be in the least harmonious 18:00 harmonic 18:00 ok its new year herer 18:00 happy new year 18:00 happy new year everyone who has it now! 18:00 (we have to wait another hour) 18:00 I have to wait for 4 hours 18:01 speedrunners will be like moonlight sonata 3rd movement 18:01 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zucBfXpCA6s super insane, please watch 18:01 you could map numpad to scale degrees 18:02 sort of 18:02 this is luxidream speedrunning on keyboard 18:02 on piano 18:02 oh, Lisitsa, lol 18:02 yeah, she's definitely insane speed 18:03 its insanity 18:03 how is it even possible to be that quick and also that accurate 18:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Orcus, on T:50804 18:05 stenno1: the sketch was pretty funny 18:05 she really abuses that butler huh 18:06 did you know she and her husband mortgaged their house so that they could hire an orchestra for her to play Rach 2 with (I think it was, or Rach 3 maybe) and put it on YouTube 18:06 qt: maybe she just wants to celebrate with him but can't really express it 18:06 and as you know, snafu principle makes communication between hirarchies impossible 18:07 but he keeps asking whether he must do it as though he doesn't like it :^( 18:07 thats true 18:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3729 18:08 he did seem pretty happy by the end though so I guess it all worked out 18:08 well he was drunk 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3930 18:09 is it maybe a metaphor of the workforce being oppressed by the ruling class and sedated by panem et circensis 18:09 maybe not 18:09 very deep 18:10 really makes u think 18:10 lul 18:10 well she is sober in the end 18:11 I wonder if he still has to do the voices when they go to bed 18:13 i doubt they share the same bed 18:13 that would be a terrible relationship 18:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 18:22 isn't that the implication at the end? he is accompanying her up the stairs to bed and they say the same "same procedure as every year" line 18:22 I thought that was the gag 18:22 stenno1: watching dinner for one online with some peeps lol 18:22 they are going to have sex at the end 18:22 qt: m idk 18:23 aoei: nice 18:30 -!- Umbire has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:30 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:35 qt: yeah lol 18:35 hence the line about 18:35 "i'll do my very best" 18:35 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 18:35 aidk 18:35 id 18:35 k 18:36 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 18:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:31658 18:37 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:39 stenno1: ? 18:40 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 18:40 i was attempting to reply to a previous post 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:32921 18:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) killed Axus, on T:32114 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:11207 18:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Neu) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:37197 18:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Mon Bat Mal Law) was given Fire Brand, on T:32246 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1656 18:47 -!- microlance has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had a wormwood staff entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:7717 18:49 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 17190 points, T:9230, poisoned by a rotted glob of gray ooze 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:11654 18:51 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 18:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Neu) killed the creature in the ice, on T:37521 18:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:40175 18:52 [hdf-us] [evil] VaderFLAG (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40186 18:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Neu) killed Leviathan, on T:37730 18:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2791 18:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2320 points, T:2952, killed by a wand 18:56 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 19:00 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:00 <@nabru> !booze 19:00 * Beholder pours @nabru a droplet of synovial fluid, brewed by Rodney at 21 degrees Celsius. 19:02 -!- Umbire_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 34323 points, T:9431, killed by a mumak 19:03 A promising, but good, game. 19:05 !lastgame Arahael 19:05 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1600586690.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1609414124.evil.html 19:05 nabru: I gambled on being able to kill the mumak in time, but it crushed me in just 3 turns. 19:06 :/ 19:07 Mumakil are not to be fooled with 19:07 I was a _reasonably_ high-powered monk, but I wasn't quite yet grand master. A grand master would've made short work of it. 19:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:08 I find them nearly trivial in vanilla, but they've been buffed up in evil. 19:08 (And I keep forgetting that) 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered Madonna, her faithful kitten, on T:399 19:09 meleeing a mumak can be a dicey proposition in vanilla as well 19:10 if your AC is poor, it's not unheard of to take 60 damage in one round of attacks 19:10 my current phone rogue almost ate shit against one despite like, -8 or so AC 19:11 and yes they literally have one of the highest potential single-attack damage rolls in vanilla 19:11 if not *the* highest 19:11 Umbire: Not nearly as high as Master Kaen. 19:11 For a single attack, I mean 19:11 Even so. I had also zapped 'slow' at it, but I suspect now that doesn't affect crushing speed. 19:12 And my first approach was to run away from it, but it had already grapped me. 19:12 <@nabru> In fact, they have the most powerful single melee attack in the game other than the Riders', making a mockery of all but the thickest armor. (from nethackwiki) 19:12 I wrote that 19:12 :3 19:12 I've had Master Kaen take of way more than 60 damage in one hit. 19:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:13 One set of hits maybe, but we're talking a single attack 19:13 >Butt 4d12 19:13 Ah, but then again, I'd consider 1 hit at once, vs multiple hits at once, to be essentially the same thing. 19:13 and yeah elephantine foes can crush grip you now 19:13 Anwyay, I'd best get painting. 19:13 Got a wall to finish. 19:13 @luxidream running on NAO? 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:8315 19:15 Oh yeah, might also help that they're tough enough to withstand normal kicking 19:16 at least in vanilla 19:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:4540 19:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Misha (Val Dwa Fem Law), 30124 points, T:8553, killed by a wounded hill giant, while sleeping 19:17 <@nabru> !lastgame Misha 19:17 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Misha/nethack/dumplog/1609452420.nh.html 19:17 and i had just finished eating an elf which didn't give me sleep resistance! 19:18 :/ 19:19 great. Izchak's shop has not one, but THREE mimics out of a 2x3 shop 19:19 They enjoy the taste of wax I assume 19:19 welcome to Izchak's mimic shop! 19:19 https://imgur.com/NgXIIoW.png 19:19 ew imgur 19:19 whats wrong with imgur? 19:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:19 I don't like it 19:19 >:[ 19:19 ok 19:20 sometimes Izchak even sell's Magic Lamps! 19:20 (slightly more seriously I don't like how social-media-fied it is, I just wanna upload images for god's sake) 19:20 well you are not forced to use the social media aspect 19:20 well, there is the anonmgur for thath 19:20 just curl an image to 0x0.st, ez 19:20 https://anonmgur.com/ 19:20 especially if you link to the image direactly 19:20 I don't use the social media aspect, either. My desktop's (XFCE) built-in screenshot thingy has a "upload to imgur" 19:21 amateurhour: oh that looks better then 19:21 is curl package even included in default debian ffs 19:22 i assume apt uses curl 19:22 could be the case tho 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1856 19:22 0x0.st is neato 19:23 time to source dive lul 19:23 ^_____^ 19:23 <{Demo}> no, curl is not included in default BASE debian 19:23 yeah 19:23 ;_; 19:24 what does it use for download then? 19:24 nc? 19:24 oh some c++ stuff 19:24 I use ibb.co anyway so 19:24 <{Demo}> libcurl may be 19:25 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:25 <{Demo}> if you pick "standard system utiltities" in tasksel i think that includes curl? 19:25 well i wont source-dive c++ code lol 19:26 i am just too wasted anyway 19:26 Happy New Year everyone in #hardfought! 19:26 !beer stenno1 19:26 NAOrsa: We're not here to f#%k spiders, mate! 19:26 !booze stenno1 19:26 * Beholder passes stenno1 a schooner of suds, decanted by the late Pinobot at 484 Kelvin. 19:26 wut lol 19:27 wat 19:27 WTF 19:27 thanks people, having the beer 19:27 !beer stenno1 19:27 amateurhour: We're not here to f#%k spiders, mate! 19:27 !beer stenno1 19:27 amateurhour: I thought you'd never ask! 19:27 bruh 19:27 maybe 'fuck spiders' is a reference to something 19:27 !help 19:27 amateurhour: https://www.hardfought.org/nethack 19:27 I'm having Scotch Blend Three years in oak cask 19:27 https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=Not%20here%20to%20Fuck%20Spiders 19:27 australian slang 19:27 with ice 19:27 I think it's an australian expression 19:27 my homie has 'bacardi oakheart' 19:28 but we will probably not drink it and its not really neccesarry anyway as we have copious amounts of beer 19:28 <{Demo}> !vodka 19:28 * Beholder tosses {Demo} a glass of Ketel One vodka, excreted by the late Pinobot at 158 degrees Fahrenheit. 19:28 Cheers! 19:28 the late pinobot 19:28 rip punabot 19:29 i assume he was involved in an accident with a truck 19:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6379 19:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2621 points, T:1570, killed by a killer bee 19:31 go team a! 19:31 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 19:32 Hi spicy 19:32 * Umbire gently prods Neko-chan 19:38 i am getting more and more drunk, at some point i should try a realtime run 19:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1876 points, T:2286, killed by an uninjured wolf 19:39 * elenmirie__ hands stenno1 a potion of booze and speed boots 19:39 when you are a bit drunk your risk assesment is off 19:40 is probably an advantage in speedrun 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3624 19:41 that reminds me, there has to be a NetHack drinking game 19:41 Drink irl whenever you drink a potion 19:41 pre-3.7 you could do it whenever you hit the force on the asc run 19:41 makes it more beareable 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:9, slipped while mounting a saddled pony called Vita Fidelia 19:42 tinklebear: Toss the horse a few apples before you try to get on 19:42 whenever you're forced to type yes/no to a prompt that you've already just answered 19:42 what does 3.7 do to the MF? 19:42 Muad: GOOD THINGS 19:42 Muad: it has been severly nerfed 19:42 nice 19:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Elf Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:7823 19:43 sec, lemme find the enthousiastic reddit post i made 19:43 Muad: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/e88x4a/the_next_nethack_version_nerfs_the_mysterious/ 19:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:15180 19:43 oh no tsingi 19:44 rip 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 13070 points, T:15182, killed by a slightly wounded priestess of Thoth 19:44 bohsplosion has been nerfed too! 19:44 well dying hasn't 19:44 rip 19:45 stenno1, thanks, that sounds like a sensible way 19:45 !lastgame tsingi 19:45 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tsingi/nethack/dumplog/1609426541.nh.html 19:45 aoei: btw I updated that weechat plugin so you can easily create custom regex exceptions, I have it set up to show me ascensions, wishes, and boh explosions 19:45 in case you want to update it 19:46 Damn, all those potions 19:46 I'd probably commit unalive too 19:46 qt: :o 19:46 nice 19:46 i would like to yes 19:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:20464 19:46 stenno1, i mean it should feel pretty natural to people, what with the Gambler's Fallacy and all. 19:46 is it updated on github or waht 19:46 yeah on github https://github.com/entrez/behold_less/ 19:46 Muad: what's gambler's fallacy? 19:47 that there are patterns in random events 19:47 e.g. 'I'm on a lucky streak' 19:47 Muad: this leads to the bizarre situation that you actually _want_ to be forced back during the early asc run because this makes it much less likely to be forced back later 19:47 aoei: you can /set plugins.var.python.behold_less.always_show_events 19:47 moon-child: ahhhh 19:47 riight 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4303 19:47 basically thinking a priori where there isn't 19:47 e.g. /set plugins.var.python.behold_less.always_show_events "^ascended$,(wished for|made (his|her|their) first( artifact)? wish),blew up .* bag of holding" 19:48 stenno1, oh yeah. you could purposefully trigger it a few times before, say, Juiblex? 19:48 Muad: lmao 19:48 yeah, but you can also tele on demon lair levels now if the demon is not around anymore 19:48 nice 19:48 whoa hey, weechat beholder thingy 19:48 i just use filters currently 19:49 spicycebolla: its a really neat script qt made 19:49 i've been using an older version for a few days already 19:49 will update now 19:49 it doesn't exactly filter stuff out, it moves it into another dedicated buffer so you can still look it over later if you want to 19:50 i've been figuring that i just need to kick Beholder spam into a side channel/buffer. so i can see all the things that happen if i want, but it doesn't drown out chat 19:50 both beholder and rodney 19:50 oh that's perfect then! 19:50 yeah it's genius spicycebolla 19:50 it's exactly what i wanted too lol 19:50 <3 qt 19:50 Muad: luxidream did some statistics thingies and its like, lawful now takes 1 more level on average than neutral, which takes 1 more level on average than chaotic for the asc run 19:51 right now i just have: [beholder] buffer: irc.freenode.#hardfought / tags: nick_Beholder / regex: (killed|attained|entered|nh3) 19:51 Muad: so force is now more or less independent from alignment 19:51 -!- microlance has joined #hardfought 19:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "the blessed Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:20474 19:52 stenno1, i never felt any big difference between the alignments 19:52 Muad: ://// 19:52 if you look at the comments above the default options it should give you a sense of the ways you can configure it 19:52 https://github.com/entrez/behold_less/blob/94789d9d51dcb94fcc5cc129f0adb140593eee8d/behold_less.py#L32-L45 19:52 maybe i just play chaotic so rarely 19:52 can this be installed and kept updated by weechat, or do you manually put it in a directory? 19:52 it was like 10 levels difference for lawful vs neutral 19:52 qt: how do i do always show users in the new version? 19:53 i dont see a var for it 19:53 Muad: luxidream has the actual numbers 19:53 spicycebolla: I submitted it to weechat but it takes a while for them to review so for now you have to manually put it into ~/.weechat/python/ or whatever 19:53 aoei: /set plugins.var.python.behold_less.always_show_users "qt,aoei" 19:54 -!- stenno1 has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.9] 19:54 kewl, thanks qt 19:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 19:55 "always show" means "don't kick these into a side buffer"? 19:55 qt: ah ok so it'll be saved in weechat options instead of in the script 19:55 spicycebolla: yup 19:55 yeah it means show it in the actual channel 19:55 sorry I guess it's not a very good option naming convention lol 19:56 yeah aoei it's all done in weechat now, so you can change the options without reloading the script, which is nice 19:57 qt: sweet :D 19:57 :poggers: 19:57 qt: btw, i found a cool weechat script for emoji shortcodes 19:57 :poggers: isn't a real one 19:57 but if i do πŸ’Ώ (cd with colons on either side) it converts it to unicode before sending 19:57 that's cool, what is it? 19:58 :thinking: 19:58 does that work? 19:58 "emoji_aliases" 19:58 lemme find the link 19:58 :man_in_business_suit_levitating: 19:58 its on the official plugins page for weechat 19:58 stenno: second one worked 19:58 nice 19:58 you have to type thinking_face i think for the other one? πŸ€” 19:58 yeah 19:58 it's that 19:58 ah 19:58 :pile_of_poo: 19:58 so it works when you type stuff in these shortcodes and send to me 19:58 :love_hotel: 19:59 but the script also converts what i type to unicode emojis before sending to the server 19:59 :thinking: 19:59 :cat_with_heart_shaped_eyes: 19:59 yeah it was sent as unicode 19:59 from your side 19:59 stenno: right, but first script i found didn't do that 19:59 it only changed them for me 19:59 but sent text to everyone else 19:59 which wasn't what i wanted 19:59 right 20:00 :cat_with_heart_shaped_eyes: <-- there is one like this but its got a slightly different shortcode 20:00 i dont remember exactly tho 20:00 ok, so the logic goes: all Beholder msgs go to side buffer. but if an "always_show" option matches a message, that message is sent to the normal chat channel instead of (not in addition to?) to the side buffer. buuuut, min-turn or min-points is an exception to that exception, causing low-interest games' messages to still be shunted into the side buffer? 20:00 i just get text there 20:00 m 20:00 :smiling_cat_face_with_heart_shaped_eyes: 20:00 spicycebolla: good question, yes ont he first point but im not sure about the last point 20:01 -!- nhmall has joined #hardfought 20:01 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v nhmall] by ChanServ 20:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] NeroOneTrueKing (Hdf-Nob Hlf Fem Neu) killed Dagon, on T:38592 20:01 :heart_eyes_cat: 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Sorcerer, on T:36471 20:01 :smiling_cat_with_heart_eyes: 20:02 aoei: you should also find a script supporting twitch emotes 20:02 stenno: hahhaa 20:02 im not sure alacritty supports them tho 20:02 :PogChamp: 20:02 :WutFace: 20:02 and i dont think i will switch from weechat/alacritty to anything else anytime soon 20:02 neat it seems like it's working, thanks aoei this is cool! 20:02 qt: :D 20:02 stenno | :smiling_cat_with_heart_eyes: 20:02 maybe i should install qt's script too 20:03 above this you typed something that worked 20:03 waht did you type before that one 20:03 weechat nethack coven :D 20:03 * nabru 's using irssi, might try weechat sometime 20:03 stenno: https://files.catbox.moe/vvfsum.png 20:03 heart_eyes_cat 20:03 😻 20:03 nice :D 20:03 spicycebolla: <3 20:03 nabru: i prefer weechat now tbh 20:03 moon-child: yeah those are twitch.tv emotes 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) destroyed eitbo's ghost, the former Lookout, on T:18960 20:03 i used to use irssi a while back 20:03 there is no unicode equivalent 20:03 twitch.tv emotes just seem to be a bunch of dudes' very tiny faces 20:04 spicycebolla: accurate 20:04 but they are much more expressive than emotes 20:04 emojis 20:04 not enough cats, gals, veggies, or fruits 20:04 CoolCat 20:04 ^ cat 20:04 HeyGuys <- gal 20:04 <@luxidream> I finally set up emotes on my stream 20:04 yay 20:04 @luxidream do you have bttv emotes too? 20:04 luxidream i finished my farm 20:04 like Poggers and stuff 20:05 and also minos can cast in 3.7.0 again 20:05 and PagChomp 20:05 D: is the best 20:05 hm does :PogChamp: work in discord? 20:05 think that's a bttv one 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:36807 20:05 Yeah, it's a BTTV/FFZ thing 20:05 well bttv augments it, but i also works on twitch without 20:06 borrowed from the emote on dA 20:06 <@luxidream> do you get more emotes with bttv? 20:06 which likely also come from elsewhere, fuck if I know 20:06 ye 20:06 <@luxidream> hmm cool 20:06 <@luxidream> let me add the extension 20:06 wtf is bttv 20:06 <@luxidream> pogchamp is not a discord default emoji sadly 20:06 or ffz 20:06 WHAT 20:07 im boycotting discord :V 20:07 WE PAY, WE SAY, POGCHAMP ON DISCORD 20:07 TODAY 20:07 full disclosure i do not pay for discord 20:07 but... i want pogchamp 20:07 -!- nhmall has left #hardfought 20:08 lux: is it wrong to farm wowstarts on 17 separate alts 20:08 Pepega is essential 20:08 what is pepega 20:08 oh we are scaring away devteam members with our offtopic talk 20:08 <@luxidream> why not just play in explore mode if you're going to do that 20:08 lmao 20:08 monkaS 20:08 explore mode won't count tho <.< 20:08 EZ Clap 20:08 aoei: https://betterttv.com/emotes/5aca62163e290877a25481ad 20:09 i have two sets of 10 alts tho 20:09 :I 20:09 one of which i want to use for streaming 20:09 the other one for beating bill 20:09 wait, was it unintended that mino's lost the ability to cast spells? 20:09 aoei: did you talk to dtype before that? 20:09 stenno: dtype is aware 20:09 kk 20:09 he just asked me to please rate-limit scripts 20:09 oh this channel isn't +c 20:09 which i was already doing anyway 20:09 aoei: alright 20:10 poor amy is asleep already because she has to work tomorrow (today) 20:10 spicycebolla: im not sure, but it seems the fix was unintented 20:10 just got reminded of it seeing the rainbow text 20:10 apparently AntiGulp made a sorta related PR 20:10 stenno: colors are needed for beholder's fancifications 20:10 <@luxidream> oh it probably makes minotaurs make noise again 20:10 * Umbire should start on that SLEX page soon 20:10 which as a side-effect means minos can cast again 20:10 yeah probably lux 20:11 i havent looked at the PR or commit 20:11 <@luxidream> which would allow them to cast 20:11 spicycebolla: hm? 20:11 right 20:11 rld uses colour for the discord nicks too 20:11 oh for the discord bridge 20:12 yea 20:12 rld is bridge bot 20:12 but as spicycebolla pointed out, Beholder uses some colours too 20:12 annoying colors, when you are trying to extract the variant name with regex 20:12 i did already start one of my farm alt runs @luxidream, but got like no shops at all on the way to castle so doesn't look too promising 20:13 i figure with 10 wowstarts one or two should hit decent shops tho 20:13 this really demonstrates that there shouldn't be random wows 20:13 at least not before the castle 20:13 but then maybe people would scum for polykit 20:13 * aoei shrugs 20:14 stenno: yeah on my other set of alts for streaming 3 of the starts are just polykit 20:14 PC ring and polywand in the first room 20:14 random wows seem like pretty bad gameplay yeah 20:14 wow is more common tho 20:14 well yeah kinda 20:14 but im not above exploiting it while it's possible rofl 20:14 i even more like unnethacks wish nerfs and also scrolls of wishing 20:14 one item found on the floor shouldn't solve almost all the problems in your game by itself 20:15 but I like my floor tinning kits... 20:15 5 second rule... 20:15 D': 20:15 <@luxidream> there's worse rng in other games imo 20:15 minturns is still an interesting challenge with a good start 20:15 @luxidream why are you running on NAO? 20:15 agree, luxi 20:15 but it is highly luck and scumming reliant 20:15 why are you running? WHY ARE YOU RUNNING? 20:15 <@luxidream> stenno: bored 20:15 i think minturns is more interesting in xnh in that regard 20:16 no random WoWs 20:16 @luxidream then run on hdf 20:16 and i want to try and get a good run on xnh at some point too 20:16 or do you just want to grab the records 20:16 honestly WoW isn't a guaranteed win at all either, I can see the point about it sucking out some of the challenge 20:16 i wonder at which point hdf will have more players than NAO 20:16 <@luxidream> really I don't like the idea of allowing scripts in speedrunning 20:16 that point in time will come soon 20:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "+2 blessed fixed greased gray dragon scale mail", on T:5432 20:16 @luxidream wrong approach 20:16 <@luxidream> I think it should absolutely be banned in realtime 20:17 <@luxidream> scripts should be allowed stenno? 20:17 for realtime yes but also for minturns it is kinda... idk 20:17 its gray area *at best* 20:17 yes, but the game shsould be so that scripting doesn't matter 20:17 because its really, really hard to figure out if something was scripted 20:17 you'd have to rely on the honesty of the people 20:17 <@luxidream> so you would be ok if I did a speedrun for the first 15 minutes and let bothack take over for the midgame? 20:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:20047 20:18 well i cannot know it 20:18 how can i differenciate between a bot and a player 20:18 <@luxidream> reviewing the ttyrec would reveal bothack pretty easily 20:18 i think there are ways you can kinda figure it out 20:18 -!- microlance has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:18 <@luxidream> it plays very differently from an actual player 20:19 yes but assume a bot specifically taylored to appear as a player 20:19 with individual turn delay and stuff 20:19 right a very sophisticated one could be made to seem indistinguishable 20:19 !pom 20:19 nabru: The moon is full for 2 more days. 20:19 stenno: that's chasing shadows imo 20:19 in the small communities that traditional roguelikes have, you *can* rely on the honesty of people 20:19 spicycebolla: yea also true/good point 20:19 there's not much point in cheating 20:19 <@luxidream> then we require stream with handcam for speedrun submissions 20:20 well i trust all the poeple in our nethack community, but it is something to keep in mind if you want to have a competition 20:20 read the junethack rules 20:20 <@luxidream> isn't that how other communities handle it usually? 20:20 DCSS is a bigger game than nethack, and the speedrunners there have agreed upon a standard set of rules for legit speedruns 20:20 its what we came up with when we discussed exactly those things 20:20 and they follow 'em 20:21 im still somewhat uncomfortable with my scripted scum farm, just not uncomfortable enough not to do it 20:22 i gave the alts very obvious names at least 20:22 ThisIsAnAlt 20:22 alts? 20:22 are you running multiple scripts simultaneously until one of 'em hits gold? 20:22 spicycebolla: no 20:22 i did them one at a time 20:23 i'd run it on one alt until it hit a WoW then check how many charges i had, make a couple of wishes and save 20:23 with a copy of the screen in a text file 20:23 parallelize 'em on a bunch of AWS droplets :D 20:23 yeah see that's just taking it too far lmao 20:24 @luxidream, maybe if we cannot reliably check if rules get broken, we might aswell create rules and rely on the honesty anyway 20:24 but this is kinda the problem with scripting it 20:24 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 20:24 hire a mechanical turk, or someone on fiverr, to run more scripts for you 20:24 spicycebolla: lol 20:24 use docker/kubernetes/whatever to spin up new script instances automatically 20:24 nabru: right 20:24 this is where it starts to get problematic 20:24 lol fiverr 20:24 it's a slippery sloap 20:24 sloap? slope 20:25 @luxidream like when we consider a rule to breakable without us being able to actually reliably prove that it is broken, we have to rely on the honesty anyway 20:25 to be * 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:37946 20:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 57665 points, T:20650, killed by a wounded mumak 20:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:51606 20:26 so we can create rules like 'no startscumming', 'no botting' easily 20:26 stenno: scripted startscumming will be disallowed for tnnt at least 20:27 rip Grouchy 20:27 !lastgame Grouchy 20:27 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/nethack/dumplog/1609192266.nh.html 20:27 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:27 wizard go splat 20:27 aoei: so that means starscumming itself is disallowed? 20:28 slippery soap 20:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:38178 20:28 maybe i am still thinking in the mindset of someone who would try to circumvent that rule 20:29 <@luxidream> stenno: I'm just mildly uncomfortable with the fact that someone will easily beat sub 1 someday with a massive wow farm 20:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Umbire (Tou Hum Male Neu), 8567 points, T:2029, killed by slipping on a bar of soap 20:29 <@luxidream> but then I suppose they can already beat it with bones stuffing so I'm surprised no one has 20:29 just because bones stuffing is super unreliable nowadays 20:30 stenno: well no 20:30 bones pooling has been done to combat griefers, but it also immediately impacts bones-stuffed speedruns or conduct runs 20:30 stenno: you can starstcum without scripts 20:30 startscum* 20:30 ok 20:31 like, scumming for a few inventory things is easy to do manually, and not disallowed by the proposed rules for next years tnnt 20:31 so it makes startscumming slower i guess 20:31 it's specifically scripting it that will not be allowed 20:31 bones should be a separate category imotbh 20:31 didn't billdacat scum manually ? 20:31 boneless pizzahack 20:31 stenno: yeah 20:31 i did not 20:31 it's not that much faster to scum with a script, but you can do it without constantly being focused on the game, which is still a huge advantrage 20:32 (scripts have to be rate-limited, esp on hardfought because it breaks if you exceed one game per second and kicks you out) 20:33 @luxidream bones stuffing is not feasable anymore because you cannot find bones with a 1/3 chance nowdays 20:33 but there's a huge diff between scumming up several wows while you clean your house and sitting at the computer grinding 20:33 @luxidream bones pooling is now considering your starting time down to the millisecond (i thiiiiiink) 20:33 and you don't know in which pool the bones file is 20:33 just put the bones on dlvl 8 or something and have the player dig to there 20:33 <@luxidream> I don't have a good understanding of how difficult it makes getting a specific bones pile 20:33 amateurhour: you have to dig a _lot_ 20:34 before bones poooling it was exactly 1/3 20:34 if xlog realtime was the metric you could set up the alts and just have them above the target level like billda did for minturns 20:34 pooling or not one of the alts will hit 20:34 surely 20:34 so you could wait with 8-9 alts on the level above, and after the bones were left immediately go down with them and could reliably get it 20:34 and if saving is allowed because it's not wallclock, it probably still works 20:35 with bones pooling it might take hundreds of alts 20:35 stenno: ok so make more alts 20:35 really hundreds? 20:35 yes 20:35 why that low chance 20:35 well it was done to avoid griefing 20:35 like whats the actual probability here 20:35 aoei: i _think_ 1/30 but don't quote me 20:35 then you don't need hundreds 20:35 you still need quite a few 20:36 100 will give a very high cumulative prob 20:36 still annoying 20:36 but it doesn't change things that much there's just more metagaming faffwork 20:36 lets see what the confidence is for 100 20:36 ultimately you just need a more alts for the same confidence 20:36 it doesnt really fix the problem 20:36 its 1-(29/30^100) right? 20:37 don't think ieee float can handle that precision lol 20:37 yeah something liek that 20:37 96% confidence 20:37 97% to 2 s.f. 20:37 with 100 20:37 yeah 20:37 but maybe its not even 1/30 but less 20:37 so sure, making 100 alts is a pain 20:37 but like 20:38 it doesn't change things that much imo 20:38 <@luxidream> yeah it still seems possible, just much more difficult 20:38 well you have to also have a script going down with 100 alts at the same time 20:38 <@luxidream> why go to the trouble of bones pooling and not just reduce the frequency in that case 20:38 stenno: you dont even need to script hat bit if you allow realtime and not wall-clock 20:39 i still don't quite get what "bones pooling" is anyway 20:39 also im out of alcohol, rip 20:39 well back then you had a flat 1/3 chance that a bones file is loaded for a certain level if you enter it 20:39 now, bones are put in pools, and depending on your starting time (??? i think), a certain pool is chosen 20:40 huh interesting 20:40 so the chance that a bones file for a certain level is loaded is further reduced 20:40 @luxidream idk ask paxed who invented it (i think~~~) 20:40 yeah im with lux why do this complicated thing rather than just make lower prob 20:41 i am sure there is a practical reason for it 20:41 paxed is a smart person 20:42 nethackwiki still links to 3.4.3 source which doesn't have bones pooling (and is also outdated) 20:42 hmm actually now i am not sure if its vanilla thing or if the server just patched it in 20:43 stenno: i mean there might be 20:43 (a practical reason) 20:43 but like 20:43 smart people also do dumb thing sometimes :) 20:43 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/1eca824321baf75e64cb7fb2efe4271324895ca6 20:43 or maybe im just not actually smart at all 20:44 and tell myself this as a means of comfort 20:44 Sprintf(eos(file), ".%d", (ubirthday % sysopt.bones_pools)); 20:46 <@luxidream> so you're pretty much restricted to 1/10 of the bones that you could have encountered 20:46 wait thats an sprintf that is maybe unrelated, idk, i am wasted 20:47 oh but the readme says so too 20:47 @luxidream correct 20:47 <@luxidream> I wonder if before this change on NAO you would play and get a bones approximately every three levels 20:47 @luxidream _on average_ 20:47 <@luxidream> simply because of the high traffic that it gets 20:47 yes, you would hit a lot of bones files 20:47 stenno: this seems like potentially a major driver for this change lol 20:47 after rawrmage booted up like 10 parallel saiph instances, !bones option was introduced 20:48 aw man :( 20:48 rip rawrmage 20:48 <@luxidream> wait, !bones was not in vanilla originally? 20:48 but the bones pooling was specifically to combat griefer bones 20:48 @luxidream correct, it was a NAO patch 20:48 im not sure luxidream, i meant for the bones pooling 20:48 oh huh 20:48 didnt know that 20:48 <@luxidream> so instead of everyone finding griefer bones, only 10% of people do πŸ™‚ 20:48 rofl 20:49 yes, the main thing is that the griefer didn't get quick gratification 20:49 <@luxidream> it must have been that incident with the guy who left minotaurs around the upstairs 20:49 <@luxidream> with enough points to attack the player immediately 20:49 like it could take days or even weeks until the bones were hit 20:49 hahaha damn lux 20:49 that's cold shit 20:49 with the old system, it was minutes 20:49 @luxidream gross. 20:50 minotaur bones are harmless 20:50 with the statue exploit, you could leave bones where you are surrounded by all three riders 20:50 on level enter 20:50 <@luxidream> lol 20:51 stenno: statue exploit? 20:51 is this some weird stone to flesh thing 20:51 yes 20:51 i guess fixed now 20:51 didn't work in tnnt 20:51 you could wish for a statue of a unique monster and then turn it alive right? 20:51 yes, its fixed 20:51 do you know in which versions that was possible? 20:51 could you do it in 343 still? 20:51 aoei: 3.4.3 20:51 yes 20:51 looool no way 20:52 wish for statue and stone to flesh it yea? 20:52 <@luxidream> oh yes, that was done in junethack to cheese out the "die to a monster" challenge 20:52 it's 3.4.3-nao on hardfought, right? it definitely isn't fixed in the nao version? 20:52 I guess not, lol 20:52 qt: yeah, you would cast stone to flesh to a unique, it would turn in an actually doppelganger representing that monster, but if you left bones, it would turn into the actula monster 20:52 qt: no idea tbf 20:53 stone to flesh to a (wished) statue of a unique 20:53 its def. fixed in 3.6, that was a huge exploit 20:53 wait it got turned back to the wished for monster on bones save? 20:53 that's crazy lol 20:54 yes 20:55 C342-54 Fixed Statues of unique monsters in bones files are not handled correctly. 20:55 its 3.4.2 bug even but i am sure it wasn't fixed in 3.4.3 20:55 interesting 20:55 typical non-spoiler bug btw 20:56 C343-317 Fixed Bones data can contain odd characters from player's dogname, catname, or fruit options; this can cause odd terminal-dependent behavior. 20:56 thats so bizarre tho 20:56 i mean 20:56 this one was so great 20:56 its the thing i tried with dnethakc the other day 20:56 why would the doppelganger remember waht statue it was 20:56 or lowkey-tried 20:56 stenno: lol yea i remmebe ryou talking about that 20:57 i just assumed its not fixed in dNAOhack lol 20:57 stenno i need dΓΆner :v 20:57 well unless you are in berlin you probably wont get one now 20:57 i think it is not possible to get dΓΆner at this time on Jan 1st lol 20:57 actually in the city you are, you could maybe get one too 20:57 i think not in my district 20:58 the berlin dΓΆnerpretation 20:58 maybe in the drinking areas but with the lockdowns and everythign as well? seems unlikely 20:59 i heard that the redlight district is basically shut down 20:59 What effect does skill have on say, throwing spears? 20:59 and the redlight district goes 24/7 20:59 stenno: duh, because a red light means stop 20:59 arahael: increases to-hit 20:59 arahael: well and also damage 21:00 stenno: i have this picture on my handy still maybe, from May 1st 21:00 where i took a photo of two people in the middle of a street called "hamburger berg" 21:00 normally its completely full 21:00 <@luxidream> has anyone actually used a javelin? 21:00 but there was nobody there 21:00 stenno: Ah, so useful to boost those skils, then. 21:00 except the two subjects 21:00 it was surreal lol 21:00 luxidream: I have. It's hard. 21:00 Not that I know of 21:00 What skill does it use again I forget 21:00 stenno: in summer reeperbahn started up again but i guess it is now dead once more 21:00 luxidream: Mine usually spin around and land back-first. ;) 21:00 <@luxidream> I think it has its own skill for some bizarre reason 21:01 Oh, in nethack! 21:01 it uses spear 21:01 silver spears are actually recommended as an early-game weapon for arcs in the wiki 21:01 <@luxidream> 3.6 merged it with spear 21:01 it used to use its own skill though 21:01 <@luxidream> I see 21:01 <@luxidream> not like anyone noticed 21:01 ^ 21:01 lul 21:01 true though 21:01 Spears are better than I used to think honestly 21:01 but I don't really encounter javelins like that to really use them 21:02 <@luxidream> wait a minute, arc doesn't even have spear skill 21:02 uh am i mixing it up then? 21:02 oh it was cav, sorry 21:02 just casually get a silver spear in the early game 21:02 lol 21:02 ikr 21:03 but yeah I don't think that page mentioned silver spears in the *early* game specifically 21:03 <@luxidream> oh yes it recommended wishing for silver spears 21:03 lol the edits 21:03 <@luxidream> I removed that 21:03 01:39, 23 December 2020β€Ž Luxidream (talk | contribs)β€Ž . . 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(caveman isn't bad) ( 21:03 o 21:03 oh that was a few days ago even lol 21:03 well I personally recommend stumbling across grayswandir in the early game 21:03 wishing, lol 21:03 <@luxidream> do you disagree stenno 21:03 It's *A* worthwhile wish 21:03 @luxidream no 21:03 stenno: sadly i cant find the picture, but just imagine an empty Hamburger Berg 21:03 but not a *must* by any means 21:03 @luxidream there are no bad roles 21:03 they're too heavy to stockpile innit? 21:03 stenno: it was a strange thing to see 21:03 <@luxidream> arc is pretty bad 21:04 aoei: your city is crazy 21:04 dwarven arc is mint lol 21:04 stenno: crazy how 21:04 fug u arcs are awesome :[ 21:04 luxidream: arc is the best role in the game 21:04 @luxidream in teh early, but they are probably the strongest character post-castle 21:04 luxidream: https://geryon.feralhosting.com/ykstort/archaeologist.mp3 21:04 <@luxidream> nah that's wizard 21:04 <@luxidream> what is this 21:04 luxidream: just listen lol 21:04 by the time you could reasonably stockpile silver spears weight usually isn't as much of a problem 21:04 oh that one 21:05 archaeologist can get _expert_ in divination, which is excatly the spell class that matters 21:05 stenno: :o 21:05 see!! 21:05 but post-castle everyone's fine 21:05 I START WITH A BULLWHIP 21:05 HOW INSANE 21:05 also expert in saber 21:05 digital archaeology uncovered that song, the archives were incomplete 21:05 <@luxidream> who made this 21:05 amateurhour: yeah you found it right 21:05 luxidream: we still don't know exactly 21:05 @luxidream thats an old one 21:05 there was a SA account name 21:06 that's about as far as we got 21:06 that already was around for like 8 years or so 21:06 <@luxidream> is it as old as the nethack song on youtube? 21:06 im not sure 21:06 possibly or older 21:06 wait is this a filk song that hasn't been documented? 21:06 o: 21:06 the arc song was the first nethack song i knew of 21:06 stenno: same 21:06 also divination spells are goated tbh 21:06 i first heard it from a letsplay i think 21:06 the first nh song i heard was youtrytomovetheboulderbutinvain 21:06 <@luxidream> another classic 21:06 IM A POWERFUL CLASS 21:06 do you get the gist?~ 21:07 I don't quite get the arc hate 21:07 the really annoying thing is i cnat remember the guy's SA account name now either lol 21:07 it seemed really important to me when we figured that part out 21:07 that person sounds like ska 21:07 didn't really listening to anything else but just because i am a grumpy music elitist who really can't stand novelty songs 21:07 speed and stealth out of the gate is p dope 21:07 even when they are about nethack 21:07 <@luxidream> once I get sub 2h arc I'll make a highlight reel with this song 21:07 luxidream: YES PLS 21:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2016 21:07 how do you do sub 2h tourist and not arc? 21:08 @luxidream good idea, should be trivial, considering the multitude of advantages wizard give you 21:08 tourist is pretty baller 21:08 <@luxidream> because tourist is better obviously 21:08 tourist has the darts and starts with extra healing 21:08 its better in the _early game_ 21:08 <@luxidream> tourist can actually have points in con instead of the three dump stats 21:08 didn't you see me ascend a vegan atheist tourist like it was nothing, amateurhour ? B^) 21:08 also magic mapping 21:08 but arc is the absolute king in the late game 21:08 there is no role better 21:08 who needs attack spells when you have +7 grays 21:08 tourist starts with the scroll ID'd and can write more practically at will 21:08 <@luxidream> how is arc better than wizard end game 21:09 stenno: tbf tou is pretty badass in the lategame 21:09 also that ^ 21:09 WIZ IS THE BEST lategame role 21:09 by far 21:09 like no question 21:09 stenno: see you say that but I like me some magmis arcs 21:09 yeah ok 21:09 its the only one that can actually cast all the spells 21:09 stenno: here's some nethack music that even a musical elitist can get behind https://www.forcedexposure.com/Catalog/othin-spake-the-nethack-dictionary-lp/SR.336LP.html 21:09 (even tho u right) 21:09 -!- bartlem has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:09 <@luxidream> this costs money 21:09 wizard is strong in that he can do hungerless spellcasting 21:09 <@luxidream> wizard is strong in that he can cast spells at all 21:09 arc is strong in that they can grays + silver saber 21:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 3178 points, T:1292, killed by a gnomish wizard 21:10 I mean you're not lacking for food in Gehennom at all really 21:10 @luxidream bruh arc can get expert in divination 21:10 speaking of wizards :c 21:10 there is no other spellcasting class that matteres 21:10 Arc gets attack, divination, escape I think? 21:10 *sigh*. Can't play while practically perma-stunned by a ****'ing wizard. 21:10 And matter 21:10 also basic in attack if you really _want_ to cast your magic missile 21:10 <@luxidream> ok good luck actually getting enough pw to cast magic mapping in gehennom 21:10 maybe not as a dwarf 21:10 just alchemize gain energy 4Head 21:11 not alchemizable 21:11 thatsthejoke.jpg 21:11 and yeah I tend towards humies because I like having spellcasting available 21:11 wats up my humies 21:11 even if you can just cast magic mapping once every 100 turns its still good enough 21:11 you'd wish for eota 21:12 unfortunately both eota and twoweaponing has been nerfed 21:12 what's nerfed with twoweap 21:13 pre-nerfed, the offhand weapon would hit automatically if you first weapon hit 21:13 <@luxidream> so I have to wish for both eota and spellbook of magic mapping to map gehennom 21:13 <@luxidream> without suffering 21:13 "have to" is a bit of a reach but it's a bit more involved than it would be for like, a tourist 21:13 you don't even _need_ eota 21:13 ^ 21:14 and with pre-nerf rules you coould poly up all the spellbooks you wanted 21:14 @luxidream I just uploaded that album https://0x0.st/-rlg.gz 21:14 i think arc aficionados are trolling you 21:14 i am realizing that i am mentioning 'pre-nerf- quite often 21:14 tourists can just save their scrolls for Gehennom and/or write a bunch more when they get a magic marker 21:14 spicycebolla: no 21:14 arahael: yeah, wizards in evil are nasty 21:15 its not that you have to cast magic mapping every turn 21:15 <@luxidream> so if arc isn't the worst role stenno, what is 21:15 ranger 21:15 lol 21:15 <@luxidream> bruh 21:15 whaaaaat 21:15 ranger??? 21:15 are you for real 21:15 haha 21:15 in the lategame, sure 21:15 do you want to tell me that ranger is better than arc in lategame? 21:16 <@luxidream> pretty sure 1d5 +7 silver arrows does more damage, yes 21:16 how did you acquire a useful stack of silver arrwos 21:16 <@luxidream> actually you don't get multishot bonuses, d4 21:16 <@luxidream> how did you acquire grayswandir 21:16 ranger does insane damage with arrows if you keep using them, but you also play them just fine as a melee char 21:16 wishing 21:16 arrows are restricted to 20 21:17 <@luxidream> ... 21:17 20 is enough 21:17 if max luck, enchanted and blessed 21:17 * Umbire looks at the temples in the Arc quest 21:17 "arc is the worst role" "no... because its very strong post-castle" "what's the worst role then?" "the one that can just gun down all the earlygame threats and survive to castle" 21:17 unnethack increases projectiles to 100 21:17 spicycebolla: ranger is worst post-castle 21:17 spicycebolla: rofl 21:17 stenno: exactly her point 21:17 getting to castle is the hard part 21:17 but post castle, *all* roles are *fine* 21:17 late game WHO CARES 21:18 ^ 21:18 we are talking specifically about lategame roles 21:18 valid 21:18 I don't really see arc as being worse than say caveman 21:18 lategame build 21:18 the problem with arc is you have bupkis for surviving the tough part of the game 21:18 stenno: the question was which role is worse than arc 21:18 that said someone's gotta be at the bottom of the late-game list 21:18 <@luxidream> caveman is actually top tier 21:18 amateurhour: cav gets som 21:18 stenno: like hello? 21:18 at-will conflict is fucking busted 21:18 with arc you got your speed and stealth, rock into the mines and grab a mattock or whatever, hell do the easiest protection racket if you want 21:18 yeah but arcs are squishy as fuck early on 21:19 arc can do prot racket easily 21:19 you have to be very careful in the beginning 21:19 Imho, monks just bash-bash-bash. Easy. 21:19 if the problem is surviving to the castle, that's a hell of an easy start 21:19 ranger owns the early game, but suffers greatly in the midgame 21:19 sounds like we need STATS 21:19 <@luxidream> dwa cav has about as much hp as the top three melee roles 21:19 * aoei hides 21:19 yeah ranger quest is kinda cheeks 21:19 and doesn't actually improve much in mid-to-late 21:19 "kinda" 21:19 <@luxidream> how does ranger suffer in the midgame 21:19 I reckon the stats would be fairly skewed for cav though 21:19 <@luxidream> they have amazing ac 21:19 at some point they run out of arrows 21:19 not as many people playing them and the ones that do play them are more skilled players 21:20 >arrow traps 21:20 and then they have the dagger 21:20 <@luxidream> then you hit things with your black pointy stick 21:20 stenno: sac 21:20 and they can poke people with their dagger 21:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Alex's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:579 21:20 <@luxidream> amateurhour: I blame the wiki article that says they are bad 21:20 literally arrow traps all over the place + Longbow of Diana 21:20 and wow it does +1 flat damage 21:20 <@luxidream> no not that stick 21:20 you have to be trying to run out 21:20 and you are an elf so you have like 45 hp 21:20 <@luxidream> the edgy one that you don't like 21:20 stenno: you sac for an artiweapon 21:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 396 points, T:620, killed by a wounded gnome queen 21:20 and cha rangers get stormbringer 21:20 failbringer 21:20 its been a while since i played cav 21:21 but they are pretty decent 21:21 arc > ran 21:21 ran is the worst 21:21 i guess i just see them as lesser than barb 21:21 i really like barb 21:21 stenno: fuck off 21:21 ran is amazing 21:21 no u 21:21 <@luxidream> they are pretty much just worse than bar 21:21 yeah 21:21 <@luxidream> but that doesn't mean they are bad 21:21 I love arcs but I can't act like rangers don't have *some* perks, personal preferences aside 21:21 right 21:21 they're not terrible 21:21 just not as fucking baller dope shit as barb 21:21 ran is great and amazing in the early game, but terrible in the mid-to-late 21:21 aoei: and very few things are 21:22 midgame is MT -> castle? 21:22 let's define our terms, combatants! 21:22 yeah i'd say post-soko -> castle 21:22 yeah what spicycebolla said 21:22 assuming mt 21:22 assuming mt -> soko 21:22 or w/e, it does't matter, post soko and mt 21:23 i really don't think they're that bad in the mid-game, and post-castle they're just as good as any other cahr with a full asc kit and a decent melee weapon 21:23 again 21:23 tho you can also ascend them as pure ranger 21:23 and its fine 21:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 73182 points, T:10462, killed by an invisible Angel of the Devil 21:23 i have proof 21:23 a character with grayswandir on expert is much better than a character with another weapon on basic 21:24 stenno: https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aoei/nethack/dumplog/1594483290.nh.txt <-- observe 21:24 esp. in gehennom 21:24 didn't even run out of my starting arrows 21:24 <@luxidream> if we're talking about characters with terrible damage output 21:24 wiz 21:24 <@luxidream> why is monk not in this discussion at all 21:24 because monks are cute 21:24 well, wiz for your melee damage if youd ont poly 21:24 monk gets eoto 21:24 also that 21:24 "can't do as much with gray" =/= "terrible" imho 21:24 lux: well yeah i hate lategame monk 21:24 with a passion 21:24 <@luxidream> eoto does literally nothing 21:24 aoei: we need attrition/ascension rates sorted by role! and only from players who've won twice or more 21:24 luxidream: I mentioned them, but nobody took the bait! 21:24 aoei: Why? 21:24 late-game monks are super-powerful. 21:24 the eyes of the overworld give you a +15% coolness modifier when worn 21:24 we do not speak a monks, i agree with amateurhour they are cute 21:24 yeah the ranger mid-game outside of the quest didn't really suck that badly for me with the current file I have on my phone 21:24 arahael: because i tried to play weaponless and it sucks punching gehennom monsters 21:25 arahael: You've been playing too much Evil :B 21:25 they're probably not that bad if you break all the conducts 21:25 monks are just cool 21:25 and polyself to get around the stupid to-hit penalty 21:25 boo 21:25 boooo 21:25 Umbire: Haha. Outside of evil, my best game was a vanilla monk wearing DSM and Mjollnir. 21:25 <@luxidream> πŸ‘ 21:25 but seriously they're not exactly a powerhouse of the late-game 21:25 nice 21:25 blaspehnmy 21:25 shouldn't really be killing much once you get to gehennom anyway 21:25 no, they are not 21:26 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:26 can you play lawful monk? 21:26 and even when you get to grand master, the whole martial arts thing doesn't do a whole lot of damage 21:26 what've you got to kill without a wand of death, just orcus and vlad? 21:26 amateurhour: i guess 21:26 <@luxidream> lawful monk is best monk 21:26 i think you can, right 21:26 what are your artiwishes 21:26 Umbire: He was able to easily kill anyone in 3 hits. Death? No biggie. Death 5 times? Boring. But some player monsters were tricky - I had one who must've had AC in hte near-50's. Had to vorpal him. 21:26 <@luxidream> you don't 21:26 what how do you play monk without artisihes 21:26 how is lawful monk the best? that's my least favourite :| 21:26 <@luxidream> my best time is on a lawful monk 21:26 stenno: but see that dumplog i ascended with nothing but the longbow and my starting arrows 21:26 artiwishes is what makes monk great 21:26 <@luxidream> you just get excal and bonk everyone 21:26 aoei: oh let me show you something 21:27 lol 21:27 I see 21:27 stenno: with multishot you can take out astral and sanctum monsters very fast even 21:27 @luxidream the fact that you are just saying that endgame weapon doesn't matter shows that you haven't lived life to your fullest 21:27 he says to the nethack champion of all time 21:27 live, laugh, love, get grayswandir 21:27 <@luxidream> I've wished for grays before 21:28 my ranger asc during the december 'all the roles' run had 100 +7 arrows 21:28 never used 21:28 maybe the real ascensions are the grayswandirs we wished for along the way 21:28 stenno: well that was a waste of enchant scrolls wasn't it? 21:28 deep thoughts amateurhour 21:28 amateurhour: rofl 21:28 aoei: yes 21:28 stenno: it's not a waste if you actually use them rofl 21:28 they do insane damage per turn 21:28 because i bought into the mindset of 'well i will just tank some more damage' 21:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) killed Dagon, on T:52640 21:29 do you still have that realtime speedrun tier list luxidream? 21:29 <@luxidream> I've updated it to put wizard in S tier 21:30 sheer damage output might be not the best thing for really fast realtime speedrunning tho, when firing arrows involves more faff etc. 21:30 <@luxidream> let me find it 21:30 makes sense 21:30 hence ascending ranger with stormy as bashy stick instead 21:30 I think something luxidream remarked on yesterday being changed would be cool: 21:30 plus some smart a-hour mentioned something about how killing stuff isnt the main point int he lategame 21:30 switching to bow taking an action is ass 21:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 6262 points, T:2171, burned by molten lava 21:31 *sigh*. 21:31 I know some variants have a thing where your dex can make it not take a turn, is that vanilla? guessing not 21:31 on astral you just tele the bastards 21:31 amateurhour: vanilla def doesn't have that 21:31 killing enemies fast will get you out of annoying situation 21:31 using less resources 21:31 stenno: true 21:31 but its not actually that often necessary 21:32 and stormy is just as good as loads of weapons 21:32 even if it's not as good as d4 +6 arrows 21:32 as in d4 multishot 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:26210 21:33 just bumpkill stuff its much faster 21:33 can someone verify that pet elves wont pick up arrows? 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:26215 21:33 qt: hm i possibly need to config some more stuff with this new version of script 21:33 !lg goodplayers s=role recentish o=% / won 21:34 if we had Sequell but for nethack 😒 21:34 im seeing messages from Frozty even tho i set minscore and minturns both to -1 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 12552 points, T:7955, killed by an uninjured rothe 21:34 sorry had to AFK 21:34 what are goodplayers? 21:34 an dthis one from Okjubre i still get 21:34 aoei: I just wrote a README if you look at the repo 21:34 oh cool 21:34 i am sure zipcode is in it and also adeon 21:34 you need to set them to "" now instead of -1 21:34 thanks 21:34 ah 21:34 and nomi too probably 21:34 * aoei is bad at reading readmes 21:35 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/794393239553572895/unknown.png 21:35 I am bad at writing readmes so we are a perfect match 21:35 <@luxidream> brb 21:35 lol 21:35 @luxidream is that realtime? 21:35 This a late-game tier list or 21:35 qt: rofl 21:35 i assume this is just lux's personal ranking for best realtime roles 21:35 in dcss, goodplayers are people with 10+ wins. but winning takes a lot longer in nethack, so probably needs a lower bar 21:35 like won 2 or 3 roles 21:36 for realtime speedruns yeah 21:36 what category do you get to be in with ascensions in the tens or hundreds 21:36 and ascended each role one time at least 21:36 Umbire: who cares about lategame rankings tho 21:36 ^ 21:37 to reach lategame, you have to survive the dangerous part of the game 21:37 I was asking because that's what we'd been discussing when I stepped away...? 21:37 the only way to make lategame hard/interesting is to do RT or minturns or weird conducts and shit 21:37 its not about hard 21:37 Umbire: not exactly.. *stenno* kept going on about late-game strengths 21:37 its about tedium 21:37 but nobody else cares 21:37 yes 21:37 fu 21:37 rofl 21:37 I care 21:37 lategame does matter 21:37 given how often DCSS gets brought up I feel like I should try it at some point 21:37 It's a part of the game I love 21:37 what aoei said 21:38 stenno: ok making it less tedious is also an important aspect 21:38 and it's at least worth *thinking* about to some degree 21:38 but like 21:38 its like when you ascend and you look back and think about how much you enjoyed the game 21:38 this also feeds in to the growing desire to do minturns or realtime runs 21:38 and with the force nerf now, i can see clearly now 21:38 make the game faster esp gehennom etc 21:38 to reduce annoyance 21:38 and tedium 21:38 force was kinda distorting that feeling of 'that was a good game i just played and enjoyed' 21:39 and at some point gehennom/asc run becomes actually challenging again 21:39 the lategame is fun, yes Umbire. it's a nice long victory lap once you have your asc kit together... 21:39 pls 21:39 and... you can play that lategame you love more often... if you pick a role that's got earlygame strength πŸ˜€ 21:39 spicycebolla: unless you minturns dive like a crazy and have your ascension kit mostly put together by sanctum 21:39 you say victory lap like it's guaranteed 21:39 :D 21:39 I almost ate shit because of a fucking archon and kirin on like, DL 3 during the asc run 21:40 oof 21:40 archons are often avoidable but if they're between you and the stairs and/or they summon storm.. 21:40 can get hairy 21:40 post-castle is preatty easy without conducts or speedrunning 21:40 I say it often but dnh has the best gehennom imo 21:40 <@luxidream> well you were borderline stressed with all your gems and rubbish 21:40 A SHIRT! 21:40 <@luxidream> so that makes things more dangerous 21:40 amateurhour: xnethack has the best layouts, and unnethack has the best asc run 21:40 Umbire: ok try not being burdened on asc run 21:40 Umbire: just a pro-tip 21:40 * Umbire swats aoei 21:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:26238 21:41 I'd been fine up to that point was the annoying thing 21:41 lol 21:41 dnh gehennom is fairly short, very varied between games, but dangerous enough to be interesting 21:41 Vlad was tolerable but still a fight, and the last room before Moloch's sanctum was nutty because of all the fucking a 21:41 you gotta be prepared for things to get a bit dodgy rather quickly at times in NetHack 21:42 And for a time I was 21:42 * aoei is personally terrified of being burdened ever 21:42 to the point it makes me nervous watching people play who are burdened 21:42 the nonsense involving that archon and ki-rin was more dodgy than I'd banked on at the moment 21:42 then the planes, god 21:42 unfortunately, I'm a hoarder so I usually wind up burdened 21:42 likewise 21:42 I just can't let go of 50+ food rations 21:42 nabru: i was really bad in my first 13 ascensions 21:43 back when i did all the roles 21:43 I mean Famine exists so 21:43 stashed all kinds of shit 21:43 it'll probably be far easier in future runs for me but lord 21:43 also pet management. 21:43 if famine melees you enough to cost more than a couple of food rations 21:43 then you're probably dead to hp damage already lol 21:44 hey, like you said 21:44 gotta be prepared for things to get a bit dodgy 21:44 :B 21:44 truuue 21:44 nabru: I have the same problem. 21:44 Astral was surprisingly lenient all things considered 21:44 luxidream: what was it you wanted to know about ascension rates or something 21:45 amateurhour: unnethack has no mysterious force but notele on every level 21:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Sam Inc Mal Law) averted death, on T:52921 21:45 stenno: oof 21:45 thats painful 21:45 [hdf-us] [evil] davidkent (Val Hum Fem Law), 44265 points, T:21301, killed by a bolt of lightning, while sleeping 21:45 you try to take a little nap 21:45 dnh only has mysterious force on non demon lairs iirc 21:45 and new monsters spawn on or near(enexto?) the upstairs 21:45 that must be after the ridiculous nht run then 21:45 more recent change 21:46 <@luxidream> Highest asc rate role 21:46 <@luxidream> Excluding scum 21:46 <@luxidream> Is it still valk 21:46 excluding scum 21:46 okay 21:48 val 1.6% for 3.6.6 21:48 wut 21:48 that can't be right 21:48 oh asc ratio, never mind 21:48 bar 3.9% for 3.6.6 21:49 RIP dk 21:49 highest will be tou or some shit 21:49 tou or priest 21:49 ok lemme check tou 21:49 no, Bar is way better than Tou 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 35259 points, T:1702, killed by a wounded soldier ant 21:49 go team a! 21:49 Go team a! 21:49 Tou is only 2.1% 21:49 but still better than Val rofl 21:50 what about cav? 21:50 again, this is *just* 3.6.6 records im checking right now 21:50 2.8% 21:50 just give us the numbers for all roles 21:50 ok 21:50 well im doing these manually one by one lol 21:51 im literally typing queries in to the postgres shell 21:51 <@luxidream> Hmm interesting 21:51 slap in a group by role or something 21:52 <@luxidream> must be the poison resistance 21:52 366 ran 2.7% 21:52 @luxidream just so many noobs play valk 21:52 right 21:52 that's also biasing it 21:52 also realtime runners heh 21:52 i was gonna say lol, roles perceived as harder 21:52 will be played more by experienced players 21:52 harder roles are more likely to be played by experts 21:52 yep 21:52 hence cav gets quite a good one 21:52 yep 21:53 because its not super hard but perceived as hard 21:53 well but cav is not hard 21:53 ^ 21:53 ...still surprised my first asc is a tourist 21:53 arc is hard in the early game 21:53 what's monk at? 21:53 probably he hardest early game 21:53 monkas 21:53 monkaS 21:53 and yeah it's not so much difficulty for cavemen so much as it is the lack of edged weapons 21:53 monk a s 21:53 and everyone likes edged weapons 21:53 arc 1.4% lol 21:54 wiz 0.7% XD 21:54 hmm, how are you excluding scums? 21:54 this is not including scumming (by what NHS considers scmmming) 21:54 maybe check all games over turncount 1k or something maybe? idk 21:54 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Car Elf Fem Neu), 636 points, T:2182, sent to the grave by a dwarf zombie 21:54 but if you manually wowoscum its like 21:55 yeah NHS scumfilter isn't turncount based 21:55 its something else iirc 21:55 but i cba to add a turncount filter rn 21:55 its whatever mandevil did, i haven't touched the scumfilter 21:55 thus far, anyway 21:56 probably quit or escaped before t:1000 21:56 yeah 21:56 Sam is about 2.9% 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:26324 21:56 stenno: yeah obviously 21:56 maybe filter to games that lasted longer than 1k turns for this instead of scum filter 21:56 amateurhour: yeah but i cba to do that rn 21:56 fair 21:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:26325 21:57 might change the NHS scumfilter itself at some point 21:57 lots of things i want to change with it still lol 21:57 i did get around to realtime board and version filtering tho so 21:57 progress is happening 21:58 Rog 2.1% 21:58 come on Frozty 21:59 Hea 2.1% 21:59 ok i think knight is even worse than wiz? 21:59 0.55% 21:59 rofl 21:59 <@luxidream> wut 21:59 the truly worst role 21:59 is knight 22:00 actually hang on who haven't i checked yet 22:00 doesnt surpriseme 22:00 knights fucking suck 22:00 <@luxidream> I can understand wiz 22:00 knights are fucking shit 22:00 ur fukin shit 22:00 actually worse than arc maybe 22:00 <@luxidream> I mean they are pretty bad 22:00 <@luxidream> Not worse than arc though 22:01 knight bad 22:01 ok we've done Arc, Bar, Cav, Hea, Rog, Ran, Sam, Val, Wiz.... Mon is still missing 22:01 and we've done Kni 22:01 is it just Mon left? 22:01 Mon 1.9% 22:01 so yeah Barb is the winner 22:02 and Knight fucking sucks 22:02 for 3.6.6 on the NHS, anyway 22:02 <@luxidream> Maybe people are reading the guidebook 22:02 what query were you using aoei 22:02 which guidebook 22:02 <@luxidream> Where it says knights have the best armor 22:02 <@luxidream> The actual nethack guidebook 22:02 amateurhour: select count(*) from v_ascended where variant='nh' and version='3.6.6' and role='Mon'; 22:02 select count(*) from v_games where variant='nh' and version='3.6.6' and role='Mon'; 22:02 divide one by the other 22:03 clearly that can be done for all roles with a smart groupby 22:03 v_games is scumfiltered 22:03 and having 22:03 v_games_all includes scumfiltered games 22:03 stenno: ok how does one do this groupby thingy 22:03 im clearly noob 22:03 well i am a bit wasted, i cannot pull it off now 22:03 ok fair 22:03 or maybe i could but i cba'd 22:03 what if you added a 'group by role' to both queries instead of an 'and role=' 22:03 amateurhour: hm ok 22:03 lets try 22:04 amateurhour: i was thinking about a single query 22:04 oh yeah, get the percentage directly 22:04 a single query would be better 22:05 also doing what amateurhour suggested gives me a list of numbers for each query but doesn't say which role is what XD 22:05 seems that you can only do integer division with postgres 22:05 stenno: multiply by 100 first :galaxybrain: 22:05 select role, count(*) 22:05 stenno: ah yea 22:05 that'd do it lol 22:05 im also wasted in my defence 22:06 no worries 22:06 ah 22:06 priest was still missing 22:06 priest 1.6% 22:06 stenno you can cast integer to float for the division 22:06 oh i see 22:06 to float or decimal 22:06 misread the docs 22:06 it will do integer division if the operands are int 22:07 ye 22:07 should be possible with having 22:08 ok 22:08 can someone solve this 22:08 with their big universe brain 22:08 and give me a query to put in the thing 22:08 or should i just go to bed 22:08 i think the take-home message here is 22:08 we have proved knights are the fucking worst 22:09 aoei: can you do another query filtering all pots games 22:09 all what 22:09 lol 22:09 pots and its variants 22:09 wtf is pots 22:09 just filter for turncount over 1k imo 22:09 oh yeah that will do it too 22:09 actually thats an easy enough filter to add 22:09 pots has like 100k games of knights just dying 22:09 across a lot of alts 22:10 Oh yeah, Pots Bunchanumbers 22:10 That guy 22:10 yeah 22:10 <@luxidream> What is the nhs scum filter if it doesn’t catch slipping on your horse :p 22:10 @luxidream quit or escaped 22:10 stenno: no it's based on score 22:11 !date 22:11 its dumb i should change it 22:11 oh 22:11 !time 22:11 nabru: Thu Dec 31 22:11:05 2020 EST 22:11 yes it should be changed 22:11 pacis can reach midgame with score < 1000 22:11 <@luxidream> Then quit or escape would have a higher score 22:11 <@luxidream> Due to surviving 22:12 *30* darts. And the mumak is still not dead. 22:12 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 10734 points, T:5528, killed by a mumak 22:12 base level 5 so it has at most 80 hp 22:12 er 22:12 40 hp 22:12 oh but thick hide 22:13 <@luxidream> Thick hide affects kicking and bullwhips? 22:13 <@luxidream> Not darts? 22:13 oh i thought it would offer additional AC or flat damage reduction 22:13 It's Evil so mumakil are buffs and 22:14 I don't think monks GET skill in darts? 22:14 doesn't look like it 22:14 at least not in vanilla, don't remember... 22:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:25082 22:14 just kicking and 'flimsy' weapons 22:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:25084 22:15 at least according to uhitm 3.6.0 22:16 Arc 2.3%, Bar 5.0%, Cav 3.6%, Hea 3.4%, Kni 3.3%, Mon 2.4%, Pri 2.1%, Ran 3.5%, Rog 3.2%, Sam 3.7%, Tou 1.8%, Val 2.0%, Wiz 1.3% 22:17 oh wow barb 22:17 the change with knight was huge when introducing turns > 1000 as a filter lmao 22:17 yeah barbs fucking rule 22:17 kni suddenly at 3.3k 22:17 er 22:17 3.3% 22:17 That leaves us with barbarians as easiest and wizards as hardest. But... I guess a lot of people start with wizards 22:17 with the pots filter 22:17 yeah the knight change was the biggest 22:17 there's literally like 100k pots deaths lol :P 22:17 yeah 22:17 amateurhour: rofl 22:17 amateurhour: yeah, thought of him 22:17 here's one alt for example 22:17 https://nethackscoreboard.org/players/p/pots164.all.html 22:17 !lastgame pots163 22:17 nabru: No last game for pots163. 22:17 !lastgame pots164 22:17 nabru: No last game for pots164. 22:18 amateurhour: yeah it went from 11k to under 2k for the denominator 22:18 here's another https://nethackscoreboard.org/players/p/post163.all.html 22:18 I can't remember them all 22:18 i was really hostile towards him for some time but then i realized he just plays the game like he wants 22:18 to 22:18 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 22:18 and thats fine 22:18 them* 22:18 they're having more fun than we are 22:18 not assuming gender 22:18 <@luxidream> maybe he is like that guy on nao 22:18 ...? 22:19 merpish? 22:19 merpish is different 22:19 <@luxidream> who has never ascended and quits every ascendable game 22:19 merpish is a legend 22:19 do they just enjoy dying perhaps 22:19 What'd I miss in the <2min that I was disconnected 22:19 <@luxidream> what is their story 22:19 does anyone know why pots does that 22:19 i think of merpish as an unspoiled player 22:19 <@luxidream> merpish 22:19 not a clue sadly 22:19 <@luxidream> no they quit games that are totally ascendable 22:20 <@luxidream> I don't think they are unspoiled 22:20 no, they quit before performing the ascension 22:20 er 22:20 the ritual 22:20 invocation 22:20 but uh, we got dumplogs to point to for this? 22:20 well 22:20 you can have ascendable games pre-invocation 22:20 unspoiled 22:20 if u have kit 22:20 maybe they heard all your complaints that the ascension run isn't interesting 22:20 :) 22:20 amateurhour: hahhaa 22:20 that actually makes a lot of sense 22:21 like, oh, the game is no longer interesting 22:21 lets roll a new char 22:21 <@luxidream> someday dcss will end at lair 22:21 <@luxidream> and nethack ends at minetown 22:21 ahahahha 22:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:21 * aoei is cracking up irrl 22:21 aoei: are you filtering out players who've never won a game? 22:21 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 22:21 spicycebolla: not presently 22:21 <@luxidream> that's a decent way to do goodplayers actually 22:21 invocation is probably the hardest part to get while unspioled 22:21 yeah 22:22 maybe i should make a seperate gpv_ view 22:22 goodplayers should have ascended each role once 22:22 so it'd be like 22:22 gpv_ascended 22:22 <@luxidream> how many players have even ascended each role 22:22 and gpv_games 22:22 stenno: i disagree 22:22 hmm, i think i still have a few i haven't ascended 22:22 <@luxidream> that would be greatplayers by dcss terminology 22:22 oh 22:22 didn't know there was a distiction between good and great 22:22 i dislike this distinction tho, if im gonna implement it i'll only have goodplayers 22:22 yeah good is ascended once 22:23 I have a couple I've not done as well, should probs do that if greatplayers becomes a thing 22:23 Oh right, hm 22:23 and it'll be enough to ascend once 22:23 'good enough' Kappa 22:23 so I can pull a stenno and change my nick to amateurhour/greatplayer 22:23 yes 22:23 wear your achievements with pride 22:23 a badge of honor 22:23 -!- aoei is now known as aoei\teamsplat 22:23 Okay, back on my hdf 370 game 22:23 tnnt is not going to add a Great Player trophy 22:23 Remembering I have a werewolf problem on DL 10 or so and no cold resistance 22:23 i just figured out my clan name for junethack 22:23 i think winning 2 or 3 roles might be enough for "good". getting coached through my first win was much harder than my second win, where people didn't hold my hand as much 22:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Necromancer, on T:41563 22:23 amateurhour: you can't have amateurhour/greatplayer because / isn't allowed i nicks 22:24 thanks for checking aoei\teamsplat 22:24 it will be greatplayers 22:24 I think my nick would be too long unfortunately 22:24 stenno: i guess you can't be in your own clan then 22:24 :^) 22:24 er, grammar. but anyway, the second win was harder cuz it was more done on my own power 22:24 spicycebolla: ah right 22:24 aoei\teamsplat: Kappa 22:24 stenno: waht means Kappa 22:25 :kappa: 22:25 that's just text 22:25 aoei\teamsplat: but either way, if you filter out players who've never won, you're getting closer to a role difficulty ballpark figure 22:25 spicycebolla: right 22:25 it's a twitch emote used to present sarcasm 22:25 aoei\teamsplat: its to point out an ironic statement 22:25 that's def too complicated to do rn tho 22:25 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/794405930695393330/whats-the-closest-unicode-emoji-to-the-twitch-emote-kappa-quora-kappa-emoji-473_473.png 22:25 well that url just raises more questions luxidream 22:26 it's also popular to end something unfunny with Kappa 22:26 but in general 22:26 what IS the closest unicode emoji to the twitch emote kappa? 22:26 i like the idea of a goodplayers category with players who ascended once 22:26 <@luxidream> lol 22:26 and using that for some role stats 22:26 <@luxidream> I didn't actually visit the link 22:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2178 22:26 <@luxidream> also valkyrie will still be artificially low after that change 22:26 because fucking pots fucking fucked it all up for knight 22:26 lulw 22:26 amateurhour: πŸ˜† 22:27 luxidream: lol yeah i guess 22:27 but we can't have everything be perfect now can we 22:27 <@luxidream> then again I am also contributing to valkyrie being low 22:27 stenno: should i make scramble egg and cereal now, or have a nap first 22:28 <@luxidream> so can't really be pointing fingers here 22:28 maybe nap first is the way 22:28 that's kinda the conclusion with !lg queries too. you can wring more and more interesting data out of it but it's still not solid science because one day someone will post about how good kobold berserkers are 22:29 and then lots of decent players will splat them 22:29 spicycebolla: lawl 22:29 <@luxidream> kobe lol 22:29 scrambled egg ftw 22:29 yeah thats it is player behaviour and very fuzzy data 22:29 <@luxidream> are combos that spell out words played more in crawl 22:30 or like, the data is fairly solid but the determinants are very fuzzy and variable 22:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:712 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 315 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:42182 22:31 it should be 2021 in almost half of the US by now 22:31 so happy new year, to those of you who have joined us on this side already 22:31 !time 22:31 Umbire: Thu Dec 31 22:31:31 2020 EST 22:31 <@luxidream> est is only 10:31 22:31 :V 22:31 <@luxidream> try again 22:31 dammit 22:31 i failed at maths 22:31 nvm 22:31 It's 2021 here in Brazil already 22:32 nice nabru 22:32 happy new year 22:32 brazil must be like US east coast 22:32 happy new year 22:32 sepulturrraaaaa 22:32 um stenno 22:32 sorry that must be annoying 22:32 isnt EST east coast? 22:32 which lux just said is only 10:31 pm lol 22:32 im still confused about TZs tbh 22:32 but whatever 22:32 brazil is further east than east coast US? 22:32 i will probably pass out shortly 22:32 Brazil is GMT-3 22:32 * stenno checks world map 22:33 (at least most places are; a few states are GMT-4) 22:33 oh yeah it is 22:33 so i will say happy new year to the americans anyway 22:33 for when you get there 22:33 night<3 22:33 the westernmost part of brazil is at the eastermost part of US 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:42390 22:34 <@luxidream> wide brazil 22:34 :) 22:35 the most amazing thing is how big africa actually is 22:36 like you can fit most other continents inside africa 22:36 north america + europe + australia or so 22:36 <@luxidream> I thought greenland was bigger 22:36 you can even fit the whole continent of africa in africa! 22:37 YASI: hitting an invisible monster with a cream pie should negate its invisibility for the duration of the blindness 22:37 salesman: *slaps roof of africa* you can fit so many continents in it 22:37 amateurhour | you can even fit the whole continent of africa in africa! 22:37 LMAO 22:37 XD 22:37 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/794409015936417802/350px-Mercator_projection_Square.png 22:37 <@luxidream> Clearly greenland is bigger 22:38 im possibly an easier target when tipsy and about to pass out but that cracked me up so much <3 22:38 happy new year everyone who made it to 2021 so far 22:38 1 hr 22 min left of 2020 here 22:38 Ohi team a 22:38 i would say north america also looks bigger on that map? 22:39 bigger than africa i mean 22:39 !setmintc 60000 22:39 tinklebear: [hdf-au][hdf-eu][hdf-us] Min reported turncount for tinklebear set to 60000 22:39 you gotta try a map projection that preserves areas 22:39 60000? lol 22:39 amateurhour: orite true 22:39 happey new year, K2! 22:40 that one doesn't 22:40 \o/ 22:40 @luxidream fine continental europe 22:40 map accuracy is a tricky thing 22:40 that one looks like mercator projection which inflates countries closer to the poles 22:40 yeah there's no perfect map projection because 22:40 and that's even before we get into like 22:40 * amateurhour mumble mumble 22:40 so yeah 22:40 manufacturer bias and shit 22:40 <@luxidream> what about the one that makes orange slices out of the earth 22:40 i like that one but it's hard to read 22:40 imo 22:41 had an annotated one of these on my wall at one point 22:41 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_map_projections#/media/File:Boggs_eumorphic_projection_SW.JPG 22:41 you still have to ask like 22:41 oops, forgot I didn't have poison res this game 22:41 ...though I do now 22:41 :D 22:42 Brazil is a massive country with most of its area unpopulated 22:42 http://plano-c.com/aquinaomoraninguem.html 22:42 how are asia and europe even separate continents 22:42 The orange squares are 1 kmΒ² areas where nobody lives 22:42 they're obviously one massive supercontinent 22:42 bigger than everything else 22:42 i would like to visit brazil but i think its too dangerous 22:42 stenno: depending on where you go it's not that dangerous 22:42 where would that be? 22:42 south Brazil is quite safe 22:43 also i am white, if that matters 22:43 i want to see the jungle and stuff 22:43 Can't really help, then... never visited the jungle, always lived in southern Brazil 22:43 fair 22:43 so jungle is in the northern part? 22:44 aoei\teamsplat: yep 22:44 its the amazonas 22:44 achso 22:44 its the place with the highest animal and plant diversity in the world afaik 22:44 i dont know much about brazil 22:44 i saw a cool movie set in rio 22:44 I thought that might have been madagascar for some reason 22:44 called the city of god 22:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1407 points, T:1252, killed by a wounded gnome lord 22:46 idk if it is an accurate portrayal of the kind of lives and peoples in poorer parts of rio at all but its 100% a great movie 22:46 city of god is great 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 29 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:43438 22:49 gonna head to sleep, happy new year! 22:49 sleep well, hny 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Vagrant, on T:18302 22:49 'night 22:49 night amateurhour 22:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 360 points, T:939, killed by an uninjured gnome 22:49 night! 22:49 i should go to bed too lol 22:49 its almost 5 am 22:49 gnite amateurhour 22:50 <@luxidream> πŸ’€ 22:51 night folks 22:51 night Umby<3 22:52 oh boy, shapeshifter in minetwo 22:52 o/ 22:52 minetown* 22:52 ...and now it's a slime. 22:53 [hdf-us] [nh343] Helios (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 765 points, T:1321, killed by a wererat 22:53 ...oh good, long worm 22:53 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:53 and now an elf mummy 22:53 easy #turn 22:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 3051 points, T:2591, killed by a lynx 22:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed AlbertB's ghost, the former Sergeant, on T:18781 22:59 [hdf-us] [spl] Jilvane (Bar Inf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2385 23:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2173 points, T:971, killed by a wounded gnome lady 23:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 148 points, T:297, killed by a coyote, while reading a book 23:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Helios (Brd Swn Fem Cha), 2930 points, T:4951, quit 23:03 A SHIRT! 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:44604 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:44606 23:05 happy new year arahael o/ 23:05 my kingdom for a shirt 23:05 hny K2 23:06 hny 23:06 its 5am here 23:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "uncursed magic marker", on T:44621 23:06 11:06pm here 23:06 oh you didn't even have new year yet? 23:07 oh EST 23:07 sooooon 23:07 life in the future here is great 23:07 should i tell you about life in 2021 23:07 it's like, amazing 23:07 everything is much better 23:08 says something that I can't even respond to that as the joke it v. clearly is 23:08 wow 23:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 215 points, T:843, killed by a slightly wounded small mimic 23:09 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 23:09 -!- blister has joined #hardfought 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:19365 23:11 K2: Thanks. :) 23:12 i think 5am and after 5-ish beer is the perfect time to try realtime speedrun 23:12 i will do it now 23:12 K2: where do you live 23:12 \o/ 23:12 qt: Vermont 23:12 \o/ 23:12 oh, so your real job is maple syrup farmer? I had no idea 23:12 vermont must be the coolest part of the US 23:12 good luck beating the cartel in canada 23:13 isn't that where bernie sanders comes from 23:13 hah yeah 23:13 is smoking weed recreationally legal there? 23:13 yes 23:13 thought so 23:13 as is growing it 23:13 in small amounts 23:13 oh wow 23:13 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:14 yes stenno you can come stay at my house after you pass quarantine 23:14 stenno can i spec your speedrun? 23:14 oh wow i would apprechiate that lol 23:14 NAOrsa: sure 23:14 lol 23:14 gotta make a new shell 23:14 DC is funny. due to the laws, you buy a tshirt, a short poem, maybe a pair of socks. and it's $20 - $50. and as a free gift, you get some weed 23:14 spicycebolla: Really? 23:14 * NAOrsa shivers 23:14 NAOrsa: don't expect too much, i am drunk and i am also not luxidream 23:15 i *hate* traffic in DC. parking is even worse 23:15 luxidream is elegance, i am like the monkeys who hit the keys and produce shakespeare accidenteally 23:15 if you dont have a mini cooper, forget it 23:15 i've beeen drinking scotch whisky miself (blend) 23:15 !vodka stenno 23:15 * Beholder throws stenno a tall glass of Absolut vodka, fermented by demogorgon at 176 degrees Fahrenheit. 23:15 you can gift it but you can't sell it. so you make a weed-themed store with a weed-related name, and sell some kind of junk or maybe even something mildly useful, and gift weed with every purchase 23:15 hehe no hard alcohol for me please 23:15 i am content with good german beer 23:15 stenno: you're just drinking beer? 23:15 yep 23:16 spicycebolla: Like the way pachinko parlours can't (or couldn't) give cash prizes so you win a toy you can sell to a shop around the corner for cash. 23:16 its very very seldom that i am in the mood for hard alcohol 23:16 (and if you get a supply of the toys elsewhere and bring them to the shop, some gentlemen with tattoos ask you not to do it again) 23:16 NAOrsa: playing on eu-hdf 23:16 rogeru 23:17 stenno: beer's so filling tho 23:17 stenno: Likewise, thankfully, alcohol is difficult to freeze, and so, never becomes hard. ;) 23:17 [hdf-us] [spl] Jilvane (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 5480 points, T:4721, exterminated by a watch captain 23:17 very calories 23:17 much like me 23:17 i miss true Guinness. thanks Pinkbeast (and noims) 23:17 Pinkbeast: sounds similarish 23:18 K2: when you have had fresh Guinness in Dublin straight from the tab,,, 23:18 the one in aluminium can just doe'sent taste same :( 23:18 I KNOW 23:18 i wish i didnt know 23:18 no i take that back 23:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Val Hum Fem Law), 508 points, T:461, killed by a crossbow bolt, while frozen by a potion 23:19 when i retire (or win the lottery) i want to open a small irish pub 23:19 sometimes have to restart my terminal because i accidentally press 'n' at the variant screen which leads me to nh4 which fucks up my color palette because my terminal doesn't support OSC 104 23:19 !lastgame stenno 23:19 NAOrsa: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-09-23%2009%3A11%3A29%2C%20stenno-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1609474641.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/sporkhack/dumplog/1546261261.sp.txt 23:19 and i want the same guinness that dublin gets 23:20 stenno: Typing "reset" might fix that. 23:20 arahael: nope 23:20 stenno: That's a messed up terminal, then! 23:20 no, thats a proper terminal 23:20 well, proper apart from the fact that it doesn't support osc 104 23:21 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Quit: spicycebolla] 23:21 i wrote a one-liner to reset the color palette but its on my computer at home 23:21 Funny how one-liner implies "trivial", and yet, you can't write it easily. : 23:21 :) 23:21 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 23:22 welcome back spicycebolla 23:22 its not trivial 23:22 its some custom escape code setting the color profile 23:22 I'm just being triggered by the term "one-liner". :) 23:22 actually i can look it up 23:24 think its something like \e[1337;SetColors=preset=default\a' 23:24 K2: I wish you glimpse a four-leafed clover on that irish pub future <3 23:24 :) 23:24 echo -e '\033[1337;SetColors=preset=default\a' 23:25 are colors making Beholder difficult to parse? 23:25 hahah 23:25 * NAOrsa flees in terror 23:25 What colours? 23:25 I only see someone being gay and happy here. 23:25 pinkbeast having 'xterm' terminal 23:26 or rather, this implies that your termcap doesn't support colors 23:26 as i learned today 23:26 assuming your client runs in a terminal 23:26 It does, and it's intentionally monochrome 23:26 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 23:27 stenno i can't find your game to spec, did you die already? :) 23:27 wait so you don't have nickcolors? 23:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 7221 points, T:2028, killed by a giant leech 23:27 NAOrsa: sorry, will start up a new one 23:27 sorrty for making you wait 23:27 Sure, but everyone's nickcolour is black 23:27 _b 23:27 not a problem friend :) 23:27 * NAOrsa heads for a refill 23:27 black? so you have a bright background? 23:27 Black on white for terminals (except for roguelikes) 23:29 And really 000000 / ffffff, none of this pastel shades stuff 23:29 That contrast is a bit too abrupt for me. 23:29 I like grey-on-black myself. 23:29 It's a tube, so the black's actually black, too :-) 23:30 like a CRT monitor Pinkbeast? 23:30 Very like one. 23:31 Oh, so you have real blue,too? 23:31 hp14! 23:31 exactly like one, maybe? 23:31 Yep. Two reasons, one of which is complex, and one of which is I've been relatively skint for the last few years and you could get replacement CRTs for free if you were willing to drag them away. 23:32 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 23:32 saddle for sale, thats a rarity stenno! 23:35 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Val Ang Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:1777 23:35 Pinkbeast: My LCD was found in council cleanup! 23:36 is that a UK thing arahael? 23:36 qt: Dunno, it's certainly a city-australia thing. 23:36 oh ok, I usually associate "council" with the UK 23:36 what is a council cleanup? 23:37 short break 23:37 gg 23:38 arahael: my 21" LCD was found from dumpster! 23:38 qt: Once or twice a year, people drag all their crap to the street. The council organises those to be sent off to the dump. 23:39 * tinklebear has barely touched a computer in ten years that wasn't pulled out of a garbage bin 23:39 qt: It's technically illegal to loot those piles, though, as it's "stealing". 23:39 guess i will ID the 300zm scroll and then i will get back to the mines and get a pick-axe, because i think i will dfv after soko 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7277 23:39 Pinkbeast: white background is horrible tho 23:39 eye strain 23:40 arahael: That's cool, in NYC people just do it at random and you have to hope you will find something good when you are walking around 23:40 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2222 points, T:1171, killed by a giant anaconda 23:40 Can confirm 23:40 ow. 23:41 dark mode ftw 23:41 <@riker> ^ 23:41 yup 23:41 * NAOrsa nods 23:41 especially with a crt lol 23:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law), 7178 points, T:7520, petrified by a cockatrice 23:42 omg they so heavy i bet Pinkbeast has to have 18/00 strength to even drag one away :) 23:43 in my class i was the only person with a flatscreen, i was the king at LANs 23:43 Not only that, but they use a lot of electricity and desk space. 23:43 only good thing about crt is that you can degauss them and thats always cool 23:44 continuing my run 23:44 stinking cloud 23:44 yeah pity 23:45 but i bet you might have BoH <3 23:46 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "good night, good luck"] 23:46 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Val Ang Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2949 23:47 stenno: uh oh 23:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Val Hum Fem Law), 1752 points, T:2130, killed by an uninjured water demon, while frozen by a potion 23:47 bummer 23:47 i know that one 23:47 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 23:47 darn 23:47 Ow 23:47 from my last death 23:47 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Val Ang Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3018 23:47 wonder if should just have gone away and dipped into the next fountains with the demon adjacent 23:47 man i hate dying with non-blessed magic lamps 23:48 !lastgame stenno 23:48 stenno: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-09-23%2009%3A11%3A29%2C%20stenno-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1609475268.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/sporkhack/dumplog/1546261261.sp.txt 23:48 bag was holding 23:48 oh the demon already summoned a compagnon, missed that 23:49 i dont want to spoil, but rarely do you see a sack worth of 133 zorkmids 23:49 on sale :) 23:49 NAOrsa: might've been oilskin 23:49 its 50/50 between holding and oilskin 23:49 okay 23:49 but holding i think is more likely than oilskin so its skewed towards boh 23:49 probably 60/40 23:49 good to know :) 23:51 do you mean dipping to another fountain, before or after the demon appears? 23:51 after 23:51 but they do follow you? 23:51 yeah i'd have to tank a few hits 23:52 probably even #pary 23:52 but i cannot win against them with a shitty totally rusty swort 23:52 d 23:52 -!- shadowcat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:52 its sometimes better to escape 23:52 but demons are fast.. 23:52 do they even follow you on stairs? 23:53 Quite a few can 23:53 yeah they do 23:53 yes 23:53 water demons do I mean 23:53 all & 23:53 * NAOrsa shivers in fear 23:53 I think all deamons do 23:53 water demons have speed 12 and i was fast, so i could've outrun them 23:54 maybe go back to lower and try dipping there 23:54 next time, stenno 23:54 ^______^ 23:54 ok i will pack my stuff here and go home after i finished my beer 23:54 and at home i will try a new run 23:54 gg 23:54 are you not at home now stenno? 23:54 are you in a public house? 23:54 where are you? 23:54 its embarrassing how much i struggle with valk in the early game 23:55 spending sylvester at my buddies place 23:55 we are drinking and listening to music 23:55 and he plays wow and i play nethack/talk on irc :P 23:55 and we occasionally talk to one another too 23:55 sylvester=new years eve 23:55 huh 23:55 where does that name come from I wonder 23:55 'saint sylvester' 23:56 some saint 23:56 that died in 513AD 23:56 I see 23:56 St. Sylvester's day is dec 31 23:56 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saint_Sylvester%27s_Day 23:56 yep 23:57 was he killed by arrow? 23:57 'sylvester' is the german name of new years eve 23:57 or was it the other saint 23:57 stenno: that's interesting since I think of Germans as being heretic lutherans 23:57 qt: only half of germany 23:57 the other half is catholics 23:58 which half? 23:58 i am in the north, so i am lutheran 23:58 north is lutheran, south is catholic 23:58 the 'Land' (like state) in the south have different holidays than we in the north have 23:58 bavaria has a lot of catholic holidays 23:59 interesting 23:59 here in the north we recently got 31st of october as 'reformation day' 23:59 according to wikipedia saint sylvester is a lutheran saint as well anyway 23:59 yeah federal republic is strage like that 23:59 ah