00:00 with that out of the way I can now focus on dying in evilhack. 00:01 Yay bouquet! 00:01 * Umbire contemplates a Zookeeper role for the new idea archive 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3705 00:06 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3942 00:08 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4169 points, T:4277, killed by a dwarf 00:08 Umbire: zookeeper would be a good class to be get expert in bullwhip, polearms, and enchantment. Starting spellbooks of summon familiar and charm monster. 00:08 Nah, too high level to start with some of those 00:08 Maybe create monster? 00:09 sure. At least they'd have it from the beginning. Maybe sleep. 00:10 for training enchantment 00:10 Have it be clerical and enchantment 00:10 Yeah, sleep and create monster would be a solid start 00:10 Everything else is spot on so far 00:10 Probably make create familiar the special spell 00:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9010 00:11 Since we're going with animal taming motifs, maybe make knife and short sword available skills? 00:11 * Umbire thinks of matadors 00:11 and perhaps a chance of starting with a wooden flute 00:12 magic whistle 00:12 and grayswandir. 00:12 and a pony while I'm wishing 00:12 why would you wish for a pony and not a warhorse 00:12 ponies are cuter 00:13 I already have notepad open so I can take a stab at workshopping this 00:14 zookeeper sounds like the wrong name for this putative role 00:14 mundane 00:14 if you're making a beast master, call it that 00:15 ur putative 00:15 >:,c 00:15 (Also I'd probably go with tamer, though that's too on the nose) 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] BoatsandJoes (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2849 points, T:4408, killed by a succubus 00:16 !lastgame BoatsandJoes 00:16 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/BoatsandJoes/nethack/dumplog/1608427264.nh.html 00:17 bad luck with a fountain eh? 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "+2 blessed gray dragon scale mail", on T:29094 00:21 there's the Troubador class in dnh 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed jizosaves' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:5549 00:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:6024 00:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:29242 00:28 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:47291 00:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7105 points, T:6272, killed by a leocrotta 00:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:11940 00:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6851 00:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:47409 00:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Hob Fem Neu), 32 points, T:203, killed by a fox, while reading a book 00:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:47482 00:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a steel kabuto entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1227 00:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:47502 00:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a two-handed sword entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1668 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 5589 points, T:8416, killed by a dwarf 00:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:47532 00:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Hum Fem Law) stole 9307 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Akalapi's general store, on T:2398 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered Azrael, his faithful kitten, on T:1711 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3351 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3351 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3435 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:30588 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2011 01:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:47560 01:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Famine, on T:47572 01:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "a blessed figurine of a succubus", on T:47593 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1522 points, T:2084, killed by a hill orc 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:10563 01:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1933877 points, T:47595, ascended 01:07 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Glord/nethack/dumplog/1608079673.nh.html 01:08 <@p0werm0de> !lastgame p0werm0de 01:08 @p0werm0de: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/p0werm0de/nethack/dumplog/1608142455.nh.html 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6321 01:12 GG glord 01:13 <@910rd> Ty! 01:13 Wanted a gal pal at the demigod bar, I see 01:13 <@910rd> 😛 I couldn't think of anything funny or clever 01:15 Hey, no one's blamin' ya :B 01:18 ayyyy 910rd 01:18 ((sleepy finger guns)) 01:18 <@910rd> sup spicy! right back at ya! 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Arbalester, on T:30816 01:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7186 01:24 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 01:25 SICK 01:25 While spamming create monster wands for altar stuff I spawned an Aleax with Demonbane 01:26 I will have ALL the artifacts 01:27 <@p0werm0de> all lllllllllllllllll LL 01:28 <@p0werm0de> just in theory if i manage to streak now is it somehow trackable thru online commands 01:28 <@p0werm0de> tempted to roll a valk and try that 01:28 <@p0werm0de> since demogorgon is scared of me 01:29 !streak 01:29 Umbire: No streaks for Umbire. 01:29 <@p0werm0de> nice 01:29 !streak p0wem0de 01:29 tinklebear: No streaks for p0wem0de. 01:29 ^that's the command 01:29 !streak p0werm0de 01:29 tinklebear: [hdf-eu] p0werm0de Max[nh370]: 1 (2020-12-16 - 2020-12-19)(current). 01:29 * tinklebear curses 01:29 oh yay powermode's winnin now 01:29 this should be an interesting junethack 01:30 <@p0werm0de> i had kanra in clan who was halfway good 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:30909 01:30 gogogo p0werm0de 01:30 <@p0werm0de> otherwise i doubt ill go for tourney anywhere real hard 01:30 <@p0werm0de> but try strek now 01:33 <@910rd> !streak Glord 01:33 @910rd: [hdf-eu] Glord Max[nh370]: 1 (2020-12-05 - 2020-12-09). Current[nh370]: 1 (since 2020-12-16). 01:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:8979 01:40 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2048 01:42 <@p0werm0de> wow vorpal blade in shop and altar on d2 01:42 <@p0werm0de> where i got mjollnir 01:42 hey better in the shop than in a gnome's hands 01:42 see if you can get an enemy to steal it and then fry them 01:42 (with proper precautions ofc) 01:43 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Mon Inf Fem Cha), 5645 points, T:3673, killed by a dwarf 01:43 y/quit 01:43 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 01:43 D: 01:47 <@p0werm0de> pet cant steal it? 01:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Hum Fem Law) had a cloak of protection entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:9440 01:47 depends on if it's cursed or not 01:48 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 01:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Joshu, on T:10906 01:48 Hey stenno 01:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:3537 01:53 -!- spicycebolla is now known as spicycat 01:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:5612 02:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a soldier ant, on T:16638 02:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:17719 02:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:6628 02:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Hum Fem Law), 28042 points, T:12081, killed by a blue jelly 02:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 38 points, T:201, killed by a carnivorous bag 02:07 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5539 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Pilferer, on T:19566 02:17 <@p0werm0de> if stuff inside a bag vanishes and increases weight its a cursed BoH right 02:18 Yes 02:18 -!- spicycat is now known as spicycebolla 02:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:3123 02:19 <@p0werm0de> wow and now i found an uncursed one 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:12055 02:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:8658 02:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:8658 02:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:31874 02:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:4857 02:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 6190 points, T:4905, killed by an orc-captain, while sleeping 02:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:24526 02:34 You probably found that cursed one on a trap 02:35 It's ideal to weight test those without applying it so that nothing disappears 02:35 You can also always #tip out the contents and test with junk items 02:36 <@p0werm0de> ok rekt in minetown bcz i aggroed guards 02:37 <@p0werm0de> also lamp gave mut just tame djinne 02:37 <@p0werm0de> blessed lamp 02:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6417 points, T:9432, killed by a watch captain 02:37 <@p0werm0de> he had silver saber tho 02:37 <@p0werm0de> >:: 02:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law), 4647 points, T:3140, killed by a wolf 02:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:7512 02:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Hea Dwa Fem Neu), 76 points, T:481, killed by a sewer rat 02:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Orc Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:3000 03:01 -!- tinklebear has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 76498 points, T:17901, killed by a stone giant 03:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Orc Fem Law) had a knife entrusted to her by Issek, on T:4737 03:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Orc Fem Law), 5155 points, T:5405, killed by a plains centaur 03:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9491 03:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Gia Fem Neu), 440 points, T:1360, killed by a giant bat 03:22 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Tou Hob Fem Neu) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:3187 03:43 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 03:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 03:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Tou Hob Fem Neu) had a pair of padded gloves entrusted to her by The Lady, on T:4526 03:49 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:53 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 03:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 17402 points, T:9939, killed by an invisible forest centaur 04:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 14352 points, T:6929, killed by withering away 04:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 688 points, T:1491, killed by a rothe 04:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7 points, T:42, killed by a fox 04:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hum Mal Cha), 1411 points, T:2041, killed by a watchman, while sleeping 04:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:187, killed by a fox 04:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 414 points, T:1590, killed by an air elemental of Thoth 04:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1022 points, T:1412, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 140 points, T:767, killed by a bat 04:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Cav Gia Fem Neu) had a stiletto entrusted to her by Ishtar, on T:312 04:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Cav Gia Fem Neu), 964 points, T:2490, killed by a giant mosquito 04:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1110 04:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3991 04:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4074 04:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1809 points, T:4137, killed by a magic missile 04:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Orc Fem Una), 1404 points, T:2128, killed by an enormous rat 04:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 228 points, T:877, killed by a goblin, while sleeping 04:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1578 04:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3241 04:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) ate for the first time - gecko corpse, on T:3275 04:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a gecko corpse, on T:3275 04:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3331 04:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2120 04:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4159 04:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Moult (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:4227 05:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:4946 05:19 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 05:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) had a pair of hiking boots entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:7077 05:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Conjurer, on T:3606 05:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:5045 05:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4010 05:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8312 05:33 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 05:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Priest, on T:5861 05:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5914 05:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 14720 points, T:6049, killed by a chameleon imitating an ettin 05:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:4349 05:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1921 points, T:4402, killed by a giant ant 05:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4360 05:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) ate for the first time - floating eye corpse, on T:4875 05:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4875 05:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4967 06:09 {Demo}: I wanted to convert the mercurial repository to git but that's surprisingly not as straightforward as you'd expect. I pushed it now to a new sourceforge project (creating a new sf project was surprisingly fast): https://sourceforge.net/p/nethack-1-3d-revived/code/ci/default/tree/ 06:09 bhaak: Message from {Demo} at 2020-12-19 20:05 EST: https://bitbucket.org/bhaak/nethack-1.3d-revived/src/default/ this link is dead. is there anywhere else I can find this? 06:09 spicycebolla: yes, that's on my list of TODOs 06:12 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:13 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:10596 06:19 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:6255 06:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2516 points, T:6288, killed by a killer bee 06:22 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Tymora, on T:11363 06:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Pilferer, on T:12006 06:29 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 06:34 -!- joes has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 06:35 [hdf-us] [fh] Miin (Bau) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the ghost of sohlman, the former Digger, on T:1618 06:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a white dragon, on T:12768 06:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 56888 points, T:13187, petrified by a cockatrice 06:46 <@microlance> 😦 07:06 [hdf-us] [fh] Miin (Bau) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) killed the dwarf lord of sohlman, the former Field Worker, on T:2568 07:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2834 07:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:8887 07:18 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 07:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 64 points, T:477, killed by a newt 07:24 omg someone just threw a +10 dagger at me 07:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 324 points, T:1089, killed by a kobold zombie 07:50 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 07:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:11571 07:57 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 179 points, T:931, killed by a fox 07:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:11983 08:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 08:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Digger, on T:703 08:05 "Dragons are usually antrophomorphic, aggressive beings, who have human-like characteristics:..." 08:05 "...although they are the villains of the stories, they frequently sing and dance, nor do they say no wine." 08:05 why are dragons always evil in fantasy? they could be cute fleecy pets :( 08:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed the invisible Demogorgon, on T:53456 08:06 [from "Sárkány (mythology) - Wikipedia" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/S%C3%A1rk%C3%A1ny_(mythology) ] 08:06 I do remember a children's book by Bill Peet along those lines. Don't remember the name. 08:08 LarienTelrunya: What means fleecy? 08:08 it's Amy-speak for "mmmmmmmmm!" :D 08:09 cool. thx! 08:10 I mean, they aren't always *evil*, right? in Earthsea, they aren't *evil*, are they? 08:10 dunno, I never watch tv 08:10 Are you making a joke, LarienTelrunya? 08:11 * tinklebear doesn't watch tv either. 08:11 earthsea is a TV fantasy series, right? at least according to google it is 08:11 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3076 08:12 Did you know it is also the fantasy world created by Ursula K LeGuin for a more-than-three-book trilogy? 08:12 uhh no? 08:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Bar Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Bond697's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:4532 08:12 I read the first three as a child. I think they were some of the more useful "moral/ethical" things I was exposed to. 08:13 turned out to be, at least 08:13 heh, the fantasy books I read in my childhood were the ones written by that one unimportant transhater bitch 08:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 2585 points, T:1457, killed by a hobbit 08:14 oh. I think I know of whom you speak. 08:14 and if I had known that about her back then, I probably wouldn't have read them at all 08:14 hint: there were seven of them and the protagonist was a male dude with glasses 08:14 Yeah, I'm almost clueless enough not to have gotten that, but I did. 08:15 I think there's a lot of fantasy works where dragons aren't evil right? 08:16 back when I was playing skyrim, I specifically modified it such that the dragons are allied to the player :D 08:16 what's that one that was popular a few years ago called something like Eragon 08:16 or Aragon or something like that 08:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3142 08:17 and of course if we consult the most important of literature 08:17 the dragons were pretty chill in Spyro 08:17 :^) 08:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 547 points, T:505, killed by a gnome 08:19 * tinklebear looks up spyro, but refuses to look up "skyrim" just like he refuses to look up "Jay Low" or the apparently famous scotsman "Kim Kardashian" 08:19 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 08:20 lol first time I see her spelled "jay low" 08:20 * tinklebear blinds self to avoid reading gender spoiler 08:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:3351 08:22 Kelly C's dragons weren't evil either! 08:23 * tinklebear *does* watch a little tv 08:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3774 08:24 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 08:25 * tinklebear considers the phonetic similarity between "felicity" and "fleecy" 08:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3497 08:27 You add to the writing in the dust with a ` wand of fleecy terrain named The Generals Tan Do Li Blabla {0}. 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4075 08:27 (and yes, there's the "fleecy" again :D) 08:28 it's a fine good word. 08:32 LarienTelrunya: What is your opinion of the Star Wars movie "Return of the Jedi"? 08:32 uhh... been ages since I watched any star wars movie and it was probably another :P (don't even remember the name) 08:32 cool. Just wondering 08:33 hm dangerminetown 08:33 !whereis amateurhour 08:33 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-eu] amateurhour [slex]: (Mon Sok Mal Law) T:891 The Gnomish Mines level: 7 08:33 ooh sokosolver! 08:33 yeah just pure sokosolver this time, not as a hybrid race 08:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4893 08:33 wanted to see if there was any difference between hybrid race version and not 08:33 so far not seeing anything 08:33 careful around the area with the downstair, thanks to a change imported from 3.7 the white dragon can now breathe through the boulders :P 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5200 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering a rothe corpse on an altar of Anhur, on T:4328 08:39 haha you don't want a helmet of glibbery hands? :D 08:39 not sure what that exactly does but it sounds bad 08:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4427 08:39 well it means that you have the glib status effect, so you'll drop your weapon 08:40 aka the effect that is present in vanilla but almost never seen (exclusive to french fried tins I think?) 08:41 yeah then I don't want that :P 08:41 I want to be able to use a pickaxe from time to time :P 08:41 heh 08:41 pretty sure you'd see it if you greased your GoP 08:41 * tinklebear doesn't know anything 08:42 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 827 points, T:2375, killed by a magic missile 08:46 those slowing effects that monsters do, do they make you lose intrinsic speed? 08:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 3581 points, T:4532, quit 08:46 amateurhour, yes 08:46 the ones that say "You slow down."? yes 08:46 that's actually all they do 08:46 except cockatrices of course.~ 08:46 is it permanent loss? 08:46 Yes 08:46 due to them being pretty common in slex, the wand of speed monster is much more important 08:46 ugh 08:46 though if you're wearing speed boots it won't affect you. 08:46 Andrio: the cockatrice's "You are slowing down" does also remove speed, or did vanilla change that? 08:47 It does remove speed, yeah 08:47 what about the 'You feel less slow' 08:47 is that it coming back? 08:47 Are you playing a variant? 08:47 in slex, it does still have an effect with speed boots, because losing the intrinsic means you no longer have double speed :D 08:47 slex 08:47 In some of them it can make you slower than normal speed 08:47 -!- krm26__ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 08:47 amateurhour: ah that's the inertia effect, used by e.g. little grey aliens; those slow you down to half speed (and also take away intrinsic speed), "you feel less slow" means you're moving at regular speed again 08:48 great :| 08:48 why does it temporarily AND permanently slow you? 08:48 inertia can be a real game-ender if you get afflicted with it while there's fast, hard-hitting foes around 08:48 oh it gets better, because on top of all that it also temporarily disables extrinsic speed (from e.g. speed boots) :P 08:49 and why does like 10% of enemies have that ability? 08:49 lol 08:49 well the little grey alien is a G and therefore not all that uncommon in the mines 08:49 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 08:50 this mines end variant blows chunks as a sokosolver 08:50 haha I can see why :D 08:51 also not being able to name stuff on the ground is annoying 08:51 not many 3.4.3 variants can name things on the ground it seems 08:51 nah that's intentional and will never get changed, because loadstones are supposed to be dangerous 08:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:15810 08:51 porkman had a phase where he complained about that every day :P 08:51 well the only way to formally id them is to actually pick them up 08:52 nah, scroll of reverse identify 08:53 amateurhour: is there a useful distinction between formally identifying them and informally assigning their type a name? 08:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 7067 points, T:6309, killed by an Uruk-hai, while sleeping 08:54 sorry I mean informally 08:54 you can't #name things on the floor 08:55 so the only way to name loadstones (and loadboulders...) is to pick one up 08:55 sure. got it. like in 3.4.3 08:55 thx for clarification! 08:55 this mines end variant has like 200 loadstones and 50 loadboulders and like 3 luckstones 08:55 except that slex has the scroll of reverse identify that lets you ID it without picking it up :D 08:55 ^ wow 08:55 :D 08:56 amateurhour: lol 08:56 if you read that scroll, you can input either the name of a base item (e.g. "loadstone") or a randomized appearance (e.g. "cloudy potion") and it will be identified 08:56 yeah if you can even id that scroll lmao, good luck 08:56 can't id things for shit in slex :P 08:56 that's weird, I can id stuff just fine with my astronaut 08:57 my discoveries list is 9 pages long, fully two of which are scrolls right now 08:57 and yes I did run into a scroll of amnesia when read-testing, but I've recovered from that ;) 08:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Joshu, on T:15942 08:58 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 157 points, T:667, killed by a gas spore's explosion 08:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7843 08:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4834 points, T:6028, killed by a fire ant 08:59 the first things I reverse id if I ever get that is the other id scrolls 09:00 but you've no guarantee that an id works generally is what I mean 09:00 like 4/5 ring ids fail for example, unless you get the really rare(?) secure id 09:00 don't think I've ever found one of those 09:00 reach XL15 and you learn the secure identify technique! then you can use it every once in a while 09:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:989 09:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Cav Gia Fem Law), 1966 points, T:2649, killed by a steel arrow 09:02 gah I give up looking for the luckstone lol 09:03 unless there's no notification for finding it in this variant 09:03 but you get a trophy if you pick it up! ;) also, you can always just pick up a loadstone, name it, and then avoid the other loadstones 09:03 yeah the bot should announce it if you pick it up, plus you get a full-screen message 09:04 whooooooa holy shit this treasure chest has three pages worth of stuff 09:05 gratz 09:05 amulet of reflection, stack of artifact darts, 4chan cloak of energy regeneration, scroll of ID, potion of full healing, +3 gray stone (could be something bad though), and much more... 09:06 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1787 points, T:4422, killed by a straw golem 09:07 oh and a pair of high stilettos of reflection :D 09:07 can ruggo just not spawn? 09:07 only if he somehow already got spawned on some other level 09:07 maybe he walked into a level teleporter? 09:08 great now I am wearing a corona mask 09:08 a corona mask named FFP-3 Mask (being worn) {20} 09:08 why is that bad? it's the artifact version, which actually protects you from corona! 09:08 it's got some nastytrap effect 09:09 pline just returns empty or whatever 09:09 use a scroll of standard ID on it :P (hint: real artifacts never resist ID) 09:09 so can't even see what it does 09:09 oh, that... yeah that's pretty bad 09:09 no fountains in that previous crappy version of mines' end 09:09 lol 09:11 it's an empty line helmet 09:11 while wearing that, your top status line doesn't display anything 09:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 406 points, T:2064, killed by a kitten 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:55618 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Arc Dwa Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed bag of holding", on T:55619 09:12 there's no fountains in main dungeon because sokosolver 09:12 can I pray it away? 09:13 ask a nymph to remove the helmet ;) 09:13 well, it counts as a minor trouble, so if you get lucky, your god can uncurse it 09:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed jizosaves' ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:16867 09:13 didn't work 09:13 idk if my god was angry or not because no pline 09:14 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 778 points, T:2145, killed by a large mimic 09:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Cen Fem Cha), 3584 points, T:2484, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted dwarf queen 09:15 bleh idk what to do 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:10032 09:17 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Sok Mal Law), 51464 points, T:3399, quit 09:18 you threw the run away because of the corona mask? 09:18 because it's faster to start over than deal with that 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1820 09:19 there's no fountains, so gotta hope for a nymph but everything is more dangerous with no messages 09:19 so gotta play really slowly, but most floors are just soko puzzles 09:19 if it was further than just gnomish mines I'd have played on 09:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:11931 09:20 yeah, it may well be one of the nastiest effects in the game, because the top line conveys so much information and not having it available means you might miss stuff like "Your cloak tears apart!" or "You lose all knowledge of the martial arts skill!" 09:21 -!- spontiff has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 09:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 19408 points, T:14373, killed by an Elvenking 09:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Cha) stole 875 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Fleac's antique weapons outlet, on T:1781 09:27 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 170 points, T:758, killed by a hobbit 09:27 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 09:28 extra boulderssss 09:28 making puzzles impossibubble >:( 09:28 heh, was about to say "nice, then you have spares if you accidentally waste some!" 09:29 need wand of striking or pickaxe asap 09:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 1978 points, T:2800, killed by a dog 09:30 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha), 789 points, T:1003, killed by a dwarf king 09:31 <@p0werm0de> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/206289821826678784/790224845233061908/bakamitai-xom.mp4 09:31 congrats krm26! 09:32 https://nethackscoreboard.org/firstasc.evil.html if you were still looking for that page 09:32 -!- dopplergange has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:33 also you passed rebatela on z-score :b https://nethackscoreboard.org/zscore.evil.html 09:33 <@p0werm0de> aye nice didnt know that board yet 09:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:13790 09:35 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2072 points, T:3513, zombified by a human zombie 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Estyn's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:13973 09:37 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 09:39 Ugh, upper dungeon random artifact weapons SUUUUCCCCCKKKK 09:39 Should just #quit 09:40 how long does it take for panic digging to reset? 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3175 09:40 rnz(5000) 09:40 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Sok Mal Law), 6402 points, T:2370, quit 09:40 thanks 09:40 wtf 09:40 !lastgame amateurhour 09:40 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/evilhack/dumplog/1589035969.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1608474042.slex.txt 09:40 was stuck, couldn't proceed forward or backward 09:41 needed pickaxe or wand of striking or panic digging 09:41 ??? both the up- and downstair were reachable 09:41 upstairs was impossible soko puzzle 09:41 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 292 points, T:611, killed by a dart 09:41 had to panic dig to get to the upstairs btw 09:42 can't get past boulders to get to downstairs 09:42 because soko rules 09:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:14525 09:47 oh I found the deep mines, am I gonna try to complete them? :D 09:49 no, the reward will mess you up 09:49 just skip them and have a successful run 09:49 heh, I'm more concerned about not making it to the reward in the first place 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:4237 09:50 yeah, they're really dangerous, don't do it 09:50 aye 09:50 you've got plenty to live for, don't throw your life away 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Orc Mal Cha), 660 points, T:1996, killed by a wand 09:50 no, do it! 09:50 I managed, so why not you? 09:50 mobileuser: oh was that with the gelatinous something-or-other char? 09:51 aye :b 09:51 every time I've tried to do the deep mines some weenie comes along and paralyzes me and a hoarde of mobs appears to demolish 09:52 sigh tempoconflict trap in minetown 09:52 can't pass it without a pickaxe 09:52 or kicking in a shopkeeper's door 09:53 it's that annoying minetown where you need a pickaxe to cross it anyway 09:54 can't go up or down without a pickaxe again 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:14983 09:54 that seems to become a theme 09:54 thankfully phase door worked this time 09:55 most of my sokosolver games don't tend to go this badly 09:56 it's usually mines entrance on dlvl 2, some dwarf then has a pick 09:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Hob Fem Neu), 5383 points, T:5373, killed by a leocrotta 10:00 oh lol I just noticed that I was carrying around a loadstone all this time 10:00 was wondering why I was burdened lol 10:00 and this soko puzzle is impossible lol 10:00 amateurhour: get to the upstair and jump down from above? 10:01 please work 10:01 requires a hole on the level above, obviously 10:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Orc Fem Cha), 387 points, T:732, killed by a giant rat 10:02 oh it's grave walls 10:03 lucky! 10:03 I retract it being impossible 10:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:4675 10:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1658 points, T:4717, killed by a poisonous corpse 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] sonsie (Sam Hum Mal Law), 782 points, T:2324, killed by a garter snake 10:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:16724 10:07 <{Demo}> nethack 1.3d isn't working on my system. when I try to do anything it just draws that character near my cursor a bunch. I don't even know what this problem is called https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/790233983765577758/unknown.png 10:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha), 3069 points, T:1474, killed by a goblin-captain called Arukog of Ahaiai 10:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una), 819 points, T:1230, killed by a magic missile 10:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una), 546 points, T:1436, killed by a sewer rat, while praying 10:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:1379 10:16 Status of the saddled Bau (neutral): Level 30 HP 9(233) Pw 277(277) AC 0, carrying you. 10:16 uhh he needs healing real bad 10:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:53723 10:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1438 points, T:2933, killed by a gargoyle, while helpless 10:19 [hdf-eu] [slex] Ulf (AmyBSOD) (Ast Hrl Mal Neu) killed the invisible Vecna, on T:39007 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 7450 points, T:6088, killed by an owlbear 10:19 YEAH, baby! bow skill up! Bau died to him but my many wands of undead turning can fix that 10:19 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5231 10:21 gratz 10:21 so now I can advance bow to expert, and have 200 arrows in my main stack which should last for a good long while 10:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a small shield entrusted to her by Odin, on T:1739 10:21 long enough to actually reach expert, I hope :) 10:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Cen Fem Neu) had a silver javelin entrusted to her by Odin, on T:3169 10:25 The following skill becomes untrainable after a while: two-weapon combat (turn 15187). 10:25 guess I won't be using dual-wielding in this run, not that I was planning to anyway 10:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1649 points, T:3812, killed by a soldier ant 10:29 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:18774 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Lookout, on T:2263 10:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4453 10:37 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1937 points, T:4999, killed by a hill orc 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4508 10:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Sam Hum Fem Law), 53728 points, T:21138, killed by a troll, while disrobing 10:43 {Demo}: looks llike it doesn't erase properly 10:45 <{Demo}> yeah i guess that's a way to describe it 10:45 <{Demo}> but I don't know the fancy way to say that 10:45 <{Demo}> also doesnt redraw the @ when i move up with k 10:45 <{Demo}> until I hit enter 10:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4154 10:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:4154 10:48 man the hdf-eu server seems to be having a bug on my end(?) using putty, my screen randomly scrolls back up, showing: Using username "nethack". Last login: Sun Dec 20 15:32:03 2020 from 10:48 this is super irritating, because it means the actual game display is scrolled out of the screen until I hit a key 10:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4233 10:49 that's Brexit for you 10:49 oh ok, it echoes the input. something about raw/cbreak mode 10:50 that seems to be a curses (or terminal setup) problem 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1705 10:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Cen Fem Neu), 15486 points, T:5465, quit 10:51 the weird part is, I've been playing for several hours now without closing the terminal but it started happening maybe 10-20 minutes ago 10:51 <{Demo}> going to try it from a different terminal I guess 10:51 is brexit actually happening now? and is the server in england? 10:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law), 324 points, T:849, killed by a giant mimic 10:53 <{Demo}> hmm I think its a curses problem 10:53 but I'm certainly not using the curses interface :P 10:53 <{Demo}> not you 10:53 oh you mean your nh1.3 10:53 <{Demo}> yes 10:54 <{Demo}> ncurses issue 10:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3807 10:59 Amulet of Yendor on level 4! Thanks microlance :-) 11:00 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 962 points, T:2238, killed by Ms. Upernavik, the shopkeeper 11:01 krm26: rofl 11:01 infidelbones 11:01 [hdf-us] [fh] Mip (Bau) (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 6127 points, T:610, quit 11:01 i prseume 11:02 I'm optimistic, ascended my last microlance bones game 11:02 What could go wrong after level 4 anyway? 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:22540 11:06 Geez, how many microlance bones in a row am I gonna hit -- he's been filling up the dungeon 11:07 maybe somebody should encourage microlance to switch off bones 11:07 Hey hey hey I'm not saying that whoa there :-) 11:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2631 11:07 ahahaha 11:07 ok 11:07 or just play with !bones 11:07 whatever its your variant i dont even play that one 11:08 like anyone reasonable 11:08 lol stenno 11:08 hi-five 11:08 hehe 11:08 You must play evilhack 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4388 11:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3065 11:09 i want to win paci in vanilla first 11:09 after my astral splat a few days ago, i need a bit of a break though 11:10 hello people 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4480 11:10 also i have irl stuff to do 11:10 you splatted with paci going? 11:10 rebatela: I ascended the evilhack first combo you suggested I try 11:11 yeah my pet didnt follow me to the astral plane 11:11 centaur priest? I do not remember that! 11:11 BUT CONGRATS! 11:11 because the portal was covered with gremlin corpses 11:11 oh man 11:11 Well, I picked the role, you suggested filling in a combo box 11:11 evilhack is fun though, right? 11:11 It is all I've played all year 11:12 yeah same here 11:12 I didn't miss boots as much as I thought I would 11:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3501 11:12 i need to finish this game but i'm a little f'd up probably shouldn't play lol 11:13 maybe i'll just watch 11:14 but yeah krm26. all the cool kids play evilhack... mobileuser completely pwned the game though 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3258 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2806 11:15 Yeah they are nuts 11:15 ahhh which reminds me. It's what I said to MU- you haven't ascended a giant yet... 11:16 I might try giant next, I've also never ascended a monk (in any variant), giving that a shot 11:16 and they proceeded to 11:16 yeah i ONLY play monks lol 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3363 11:16 in evilhack martial arts gets buffed 11:16 so they are super fun 11:17 Right now my monk is finding level after level of microlance ghosts I can't hit 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3390 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:26246 11:17 i have weaponless going in my game i think i'm at 70k turns 11:17 just killed demo 11:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4303 11:18 do you like playing wizards/casting spells? 11:18 Hmm I wonder if fortune cookies are vegan 11:18 they are not 11:18 they're a trap, drop them 11:18 I like Wizards, but I just ascended one 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1807 11:18 huh, my perceived terminal issue seems to actually be an issue with my mouse wheel?! 11:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:4457 11:19 because here's the thing- everyone (besides me) plays monk wrong. They can get basic in every spell school. Other than the writing spellbook percentage, they are like wizards (with the robe.. gotta have the robe early game) 11:19 oh? :P 11:20 i learn every spell and just use martial arts and i think it's probably the easiest role. people are afraid to play it or something 11:20 amateurhour: you do it right :) 11:20 I am definitely planning to magic missile my way to glory 11:20 Would one skill slot on a decent weapon make so much difference? 11:20 Figured there is no reason to play a monk and not do weaponless, vegan 11:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 68 points, T:470, killed by a bolt of lightning 11:21 giant monk is super fun, but play neutral or chaotic 11:21 yeah krm26 they're straightforward and a lot of fun 11:21 just be wary of your pickaxe and you should be fine 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:3483 11:22 I can't play neutral or chaotic monk, they have already been ascended -- one by you :-) 11:22 I'm checking the lawful centaur monk box 11:22 lawful monk kind of sucks generally 11:23 Unless you beat me to it 11:23 i wouldn't get mad if you ascended lawful giant monk before me 11:23 Lawful kind of sucks for everything 11:23 lawful giant monk is probs the hardest one 11:23 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 11:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 11:23 i splatted in lava oh no drowned by a salamander in moloch's 11:23 Winning evilhack = Ring of P'hul + Dragonbane 11:24 i've been trying to do it for a while now 11:24 and even now i'm going to kill rodney and should put the quest artifact away and wear amulet of mr 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] TheOrangeLumppus (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11472 points, T:8476, poisoned by a pit viper 11:25 people talk about martial arts being buffed in evilhack but it's not as huge as people are saying 11:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3016 points, T:3696, killed by a little dog 11:25 Oooh, it is buffed? 11:25 if you want to see strong marts try dnh/slash'em 11:25 yeah.. jilles did that first giant monk but chaotic gets that ring... the lawful artifacts suck 11:25 although i wish i had gone for mitre 11:26 you get an extra turn at grand master. that's buffed 11:26 I gotta say, it is emotionally challenging for me to not eat my kills 11:26 there's another change too 11:26 i'm trying to think 11:26 monks suck in vanilla 11:26 in dnh and slash'em for example you can twoweapon martial arts for mad damage 11:26 that's the point 11:26 and they generally do way more damage anyway 11:26 they never did it right 11:26 they are better in slashem etc 11:26 if there was a tier list of monk power across variants I'd be tempted to put evilhack the same as vanilla 11:27 krm26: i only play monks and eat everything lol . but if you want the conducts 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6250 11:27 if I ever manage to ascend a monk in every variant like I'm wanting to do I'll make that list 11:27 the "You feel guilty 'message? you can completely ignore that 11:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hum Mal Cha) stole 3739 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kanturk's second-hand bookstore, on T:1808 11:28 I've never understand the fantasy trope linkage of martial arts with being weaponless 11:28 Everything is a weapon 11:28 Including weapons 11:29 in a lot of MUDs they seem to have claws and poles being martial arts weapons 11:29 and of course in D&D there are monk weapons 11:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hum Mal Cha) averted death (killed by a giant mosquito), on T:2395 11:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hum Mal Cha), 1689 points, T:2407, killed by a giant mosquito 11:30 in nethack it's hard because you'll hit something with your pickaxe 11:30 try it 11:30 oh are you trying it? 11:31 krm26: in roleplaying games, at least, there are balance issues with weaponlessness 11:31 i dig a lot though 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3521 11:31 i'm proud when i get weaponless! lol 11:31 suppose, as in real life, a martial artist is a good fighter barehanded but slightly better when holding a weapon 11:31 either there is an in-game reason to be able to fight well when weapons are unavailable, or there isn't 11:31 everyone thinks weaponless is easy 11:31 if there isn't, there's no reason to train in martial arts in general rather than your weapon in particular 11:32 if there is, then when the situation where becoming weaponless is useful comes up, everyone other than the martial artist is helpless 11:32 and neither makes much sense from a gameplay point of view 11:32 rebatela: I thought that for a brief period until Master Kaen hammered the snot out of me in my first monk game in beta 11:33 Pinkbeast: wouldn't that have happened even if you had a weapon, though? :-D 11:33 I understand he is the cruelest quest nemesis 11:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law), 5336 points, T:5261, killed by an orange dragon 11:33 my understanding of what happened is that monks in Slash'EM are utterly overpowered, and were given a quest nemesis that had a chance of being a challenge for unspoiled people in an attempt to balance 11:34 (a fully spoiled Slash'EM monk should be able to one-shot Master Kaen without any special equipment) 11:34 ais523: Quite possibly, but I don't think my expectation that with unarmed I'd be a Slash'EM munchkin abomination helped 11:34 yeah slash'em monks are great 11:34 then when monks were ported from Slash'EM into vanilla, the quest nemesis kept his amazing stats even though the role was much weaker 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3817 11:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:1045 11:35 ah slash'em monks, where your skills depend on your ability to memorize and type without errors arcane key sequences 11:35 hey you don't have to memorise anything very complicated 11:35 it's just a dice roll whether the game accepts it 11:35 hlhlhlhlh <-- just remember that 11:35 oh that sounds like fun to me 11:35 i need to play slashem 11:35 lots of games i want to play 11:36 you'll absolutely love slash'em monks rebatela 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2053 points, T:3954, killed by a bolt of cold 11:36 * tinklebear thought "sounds like fun" was a joke at first 11:36 <@p0werm0de> dang orange dragon from poly trap rekt me 11:36 <@p0werm0de> would those drop scales if i killed it? 11:36 yes 11:36 <@p0werm0de> nice 11:36 not guaranteed 11:36 * tinklebear waves hello at rebatela 11:37 <@p0werm0de> it tanked 5x fire wand tho 11:37 yeah people whose opinions on roguelikes i trust very much have told me the same about slash/monks... It makes me wonder how vanilla f'd it up so badly 11:37 yo tinklebear 11:38 rebatela: well it was a simple case of not porting #technique which is where monks get most of their power from in Slash'EM 11:38 <{Demo}> uhhh no 11:38 they are still my favorite to play in vanilla. i like casting and the early game is much easier for monk than wiz 11:38 <{Demo}> martial arts blows ass in vanilla 11:38 <{Demo}> 1/4 chance to do like 1 dmg or something 11:38 <{Demo}> something not present in slashem 11:38 <{Demo}> and a good part of why vanilla monk isnt as good 11:38 that and no twoweapon 11:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Cha) stole 5202 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Ennistymon's second-hand bookstore, on T:1761 11:38 and the quest is a joke copy of the priest quest with no loot!! 11:39 <@p0werm0de> major robbery 11:39 <{Demo}> that's cause the monk is unfinished 11:39 wizards with food 11:39 *that start with 11:39 what is uhhh no in response to, demo? 11:40 monks can suck and still be my favorite role :) 11:40 ais523: you don't need techniques to be a powerful monk in slash'em, if you just removed those and they were otherwise the same they'd still be great 11:40 <{Demo}> saying there is a "simple case" of why nh monk isn't as good as slem monk 11:40 think the only time I used techniques in slam was to one-shot kaen and demogorgon 11:40 amateurhour: huh, are you sure? assume you're using a race that exists in NetHack 11:41 yeah I was human monk 11:41 clearly I'm not as spoiled on Slash'EM as I should be 11:41 <{Demo}> it's a bunch of factors 11:41 shoot i still need a candle 11:41 they're epic, twoweapon grandmaster martial arts is like one-shot every monster 11:41 i'm so glad i noticed at least 11:41 you can twoweapon martial arts? 11:41 as a human monk in slash'em yeah 11:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Cha) had a platinum kabuto entrusted to her by Susanowo, on T:2338 11:41 can't as doppelganger or hobbit 11:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4945 11:42 is Izchak like the toughest monster in evil? 11:42 though as doppelganger you can just poly into fire vampire or whatever for more attacks 11:43 he won't let me in the shop because i'm invisible 11:43 !whereis rebatela 11:43 tinklebear: [hdf-us] rebatela [evil]: (Mon Gia Mal Law) T:66126 The Gnomish Mines level: 8 11:43 so i'm going to teleport in and steal a candle... am i about to die? 11:43 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 11:43 wait... don't the gnomes in mines drop like a ton of candles in evil? 11:43 i think he turns into a crazy monster if you attack him 11:43 I haven't noticed more or less candles 11:43 tinklebear: yeah, there are candles everywhere i'm sure 11:43 Super-random like always 11:44 i could find one somehwere without fucking with this guy 11:44 he'l probably sell me one. i just need to teleport in 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28588 11:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Cha) had a wooden dagger entrusted to her by Susanowo, on T:2613 11:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Mon Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1597 11:45 from Vlad's to Izchak's, for the seventh candle! 11:46 hehe not the first time i've had to do that 11:46 there's supposed to be 7 in vlad's now 11:46 but i only found 6 11:46 Izchak's like, "Adventurer, you have come to the right place!" 11:47 there should be two stacks there of minimum 4 11:47 and rather than go back and check through everything... 11:47 was that 6 in a single stack? 11:47 izchak's used to be the only guranteed place and sometimes he wouldn't have 7 11:47 rebatela: Surely you'll find a mummy wrapping before you need 7 candles 11:47 should usually be two chests with candles in 11:47 oh i teleported into the shop 11:48 and paid cash money for my candle 11:48 but i'm a giant and can't wear a mummy wrapping 11:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Cha), 4274 points, T:3148, killed by a Kop Sergeant, while sleeping 11:48 became invisible very very early and it was a huge pita 11:48 drop cash and teleport out again 11:48 <@p0werm0de> i had 10 in vlads 11:48 no i'm fine. i paid him for the candle 11:48 yeah there should be two chests with a stack in each, usually well over 7 in total 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3402 11:48 rebatela: oh right yeah im getting mixed upwiht when you cant pay bc zen 11:49 then you have to drop credit and tele out 11:49 still have to tele out if invis tho i guess 11:50 <@p0werm0de> shopkeepers are capitalists so... 11:51 kill them? 11:51 Shopkeepers are clearly disgruntled minimum wage employees 11:51 lol ^ 11:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3 11:52 I bet Croesus owns all the shops or something too lol 11:52 "Fuck me, I hate my boss, sure, I'll spend their money on a third copy of this spellbook we used to have in the shop which is now covered in little dog spit" 11:52 lmao 11:53 They don't hate being robbed, they just hate it being done so obviously they have to pull the alarm and deal with the Kops 11:54 yeah also how else is it they're so easily tamed by magic 11:54 "sorry boss they had magical powers i could not withstand" 11:55 letting a fucking dog carry out all their stock without them bothering already shows their attitude 11:55 getting sold the same spellbook 7 times, no problem 11:56 Pinkbeast kinda beat you to that joke stenno 11:56 tbf 11:56 -!- ais523 has quit [Quit: quit] 11:56 they _see_ the dog carrying it out, then dropping it to my feet 11:56 ok fair point lol 11:56 oh shit yeah 11:56 haha 11:56 missed that 11:56 yeah his was more subtle :P 11:56 Eh, I appreciate the sincerest form of flattery. And, to be honest, pretty well any kind of flattery. 11:56 ahahaha 11:57 Pinkbeast: you're super great and the smartest nh player i met 11:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 2919 points, T:3411, burned by molten lava 11:57 well not met i never met you actually, but whatever 11:59 super great> you'll get to know me better :-) 11:59 :D 12:01 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 7 daggers on an altar, on T:8034 12:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law), 1362 points, T:2846, killed by a small mimic 12:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class c), on T:645 12:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:31362 12:11 haha in slex I made it so that you can't sell stolen items (including ones that your dog stole) back to a shop :P 12:13 How do they tell the difference between, say, one uncursed teleport scroll and another? 12:13 No need to spoil me if you don't want to. Just idly curious. 12:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1251 12:14 well technically a flag gets set on the item in question 12:14 dnethack has something similar but it's different there 12:15 does that flag propagate to a whole stack if a stolen item is added to it, then? 12:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2639 12:15 IIRC in dnethack the stolen flag is applied only to items that the player themselves stole 12:15 tinklebear: yeah, i.e. the items can still stack but that causes the entire stack to become un-sellable, which I find much preferable over having them not stack at all anymore 12:15 yes, that's the better option for sure! 12:16 cool, thx for explaining! 12:16 although in other games with a stolen item flag, e.g. TES 4: Oblivion or Elona, stolen items do in fact not stack with non-stolen ones 12:16 and in the case of Oblivion, only certain "evil" merchants would still buy such items; unfortunately only a few of those exist 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1388 12:17 I have a strange attachment to stacking... so I prefer your way 12:17 :) 12:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Mon Hum Fem Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3956 12:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Mon Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3959 12:17 Uh oh Glord 12:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3221 12:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Mal Cha), 4935 points, T:3265, killed by a watchman 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:31573 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 speed boots", on T:31575 12:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 66461 points, T:10049, killed by a minotaur 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:31653 12:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 263 points, T:675, killed by a tower of flame 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:3450 12:27 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:30 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Val Ang Nbn Law), 20228 points, T:10768, mowed down by a lindorm 12:30 I swear, want to find boots of speed on 1? Play centaur. Crystal plate mail? Monk. Vorpal Blade? Priest 12:31 ^ lol 12:31 every time 12:31 krm26: you finished the centaur priest?! 12:31 Ascended last night 12:32 Almost took top score but got lazy 12:32 o/ 12:32 I super-lucked out, first altar 12:32 that's awesome 12:32 Basically fought nothing the whole way up, just ran 12:32 run run run run run 12:33 * tinklebear hears lou reed in head 12:33 I did have to go back down to the sanctum because I missed a balrog yanking my weapon -- and then of course I never used the weapon again 12:33 lol! 12:33 Up next: Personal first monk, evilhack-first centaur-chaotic-monk...we'll see how it goes 12:34 it is super weird, all the crap I end up carrying that just never gets used. 12:34 Yeah 12:34 I will say, centaur makes that pretty relaxing tho, the huge increased carrying capacity 12:34 oh really? interesting... 12:35 It is amazing actually, well worth giving up boots for carry and jumping 12:35 Unfortunately I'm too lazy to take full advantage of the jumping but it is nice every once in a while 12:36 what's this about jumping? 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 787 points, T:980, killed by a giant ant 12:36 My final kit was flying/dragonbane/p'hul/mitre/CoP/sea dragon mail, worked out quite nicely 12:36 Evilhack centaurs have innate jumping 12:36 woah 12:36 can large cats be saddled? 12:37 What variant? 12:37 Because in slex I assume you can saddle and ride yourself 12:37 i don't play that one 12:37 Just need a mobius saddle 12:37 vanillish; unnethack 12:37 Nope 12:37 They are not THAT large 12:37 large (for) cats 12:38 i guess it's weird that you can't actually go fuck yourself in slex 12:38 * tinklebear chuckles 12:38 I'd argue that if you are playing slex you are fucking yourself 12:38 lol 12:38 (no offense to its diligent author :-) 12:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 4048 points, T:3757, killed by a watchman, while sleeping 12:39 krm26: astronauts, though 12:40 maybe it'd be winnable if, instead of ascension, it had other ways to win. like collect/consort with every kind of shoe in the game 12:40 * tinklebear cares nothing for win. only wants to play 12:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Rog Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:10721 12:41 * tinklebear reads again. yeah, like collect all the ...well, maybe not the shoes... 12:42 What's the shtick with astronaut? I gotta admit that personally extreme anachronisms in nethack bother me 12:42 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:3234 12:42 The camera is about as far as I'll go, and that is only because it is operated by tiny imps 12:42 krm26: I can see your point of view. 12:43 I really dislike the gun stuff, personally 12:43 bullets and whatever 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 607 points, T:675, killed by a dagger 12:43 it's just cringey somehow 12:43 I don't mind new stuff being added but to me something is new if it is a mechanic, not just another name for some items or another skill tree 12:44 PLUS the mechanic needs to meaningfully expand on some game process 12:44 <{Demo}> then play dnh cause thats what dnh does 12:44 It's why I think separating the taste and smell mechanics in our primary simulation was a mistake (and I've filed a ticket about it) 12:44 krm26: I just kind of like the mysterious starting pet I got when I played astronaut. 12:45 a black Z glyph, that was like a skeleton when chatted to 12:46 reminded me somehow of the "Old One" drone-craft in Fire Upon the Deep 12:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3904 12:46 during jnh i thought about trimming down to a list of the interesting roles/races in slex. and just give all those a spin, so i can say i really gave it a shot 12:46 astronaut would go in the big pile of roles that are just assorted intrinsics and items 12:46 YANI: Pet that is your shadow. Always next to you, including in (on) a wall, either randomly if using light or away from the nearest other light source 12:47 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:4724 12:47 YANI continued: Pet shadow will wander away in darkness but always summoned back to legal position when there is light 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:692 12:49 krm26: that sounds so cool 12:50 [hdf-us] [slshm] skwrl (Wiz Dro Mal Cha), 6884 points, T:3689, killed by a rock piercer, while helpless 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 10355 points, T:4309, killed by a leocrotta 12:50 like a shade pet, but logically connected to your location 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] skwrl (Val Hum Fem Law), 150705 points, T:22490, quit 12:50 Yeah 12:50 (but only in presence of light) 12:50 Maybe give it a function, like it would BUC identify everything at its position 12:51 Or maybe just C identify 12:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:7628 12:51 Or, and here is something a little corner case but I'd really like, mark food it touched as "preserved" so it never spoiled 12:52 (not never rotted away, just never entered a make-you-sick phase) 12:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:7710 12:52 is there a sort of narrative you have in mind for that rot-less effect 12:52 ? 12:52 would you be able to abuse it to keep sacrifices good longer 12:52 Obviously that is the irradiating effect of the darkons that make the shadow 12:53 lol... 12:53 That or I started drinking mulled wine too early today 12:54 It's that time of year 12:54 the right time of year for that 12:54 Which reminds me that I should stop playing nethack after this ascension and finish porting my old games before I die of old age 12:55 think so? 12:55 <{Demo}> dying of new age is also a thing 12:55 I'm thinking that old will get me first 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 7715 points, T:11517, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted priest of Kos, while paralyzed by a monster 12:58 krm26: your old games. like, games you made? 12:59 * tinklebear is obtuse 13:00 Yeah, from the long-long ago 13:00 oh wow. that's cool. 13:01 Back pre-internet there was a nationwide WAN called PLATO, where we built the first multiplayer dungeon crawling games (oubliette, avatar -- that was mine --, melee, etc) 13:01 Pre-mud 13:01 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:01 huh. interesting to hear about this 13:02 Garriott built Ultima based on them 13:02 But I have a couple of single player rogulikes I've been meaning to resurrect from that era 13:02 did you get royalties? 13:03 Royalties? This was all free stuff 13:03 We canned an avatar operator once for taking bribes for items...back in the early 80s? 13:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Elf Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an Angel of Lugh), on T:3844 13:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 5449 points, T:3846, killed by an Angel of Lugh 13:03 lo 13:03 l 13:03 <{Demo}> lmao 13:04 free games are the best 13:04 open source even better 13:04 Anyway the last PLATO system was the NovaNET descendant and that was finally shut down a decade ago, so Avatar only lives on an emulator I run on a virtual machine 13:04 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a carnivorous ape, on T:10646 13:05 <{Demo}> yeah probably port that sounds like a cool piece of history 13:05 I think the cyber project has a more primitive PLATO system they run that might have a very old copy of Avatar on it 13:05 minecraft is neither open source nor free, but i paid like 20 euro back in 2012 or so and i got so much value out of it 13:05 yeah 13:05 krm26: so it was some sort of operating system? 13:05 the PLATO? 13:05 moon-child paid the same and got bored of it within 5 minutes tho 13:05 so its not reliable for all users lol 13:05 shrug 13:05 PLATO ran on CDC Cyber computers, assembler in COMPASS, end-user programming language TUTOR 13:06 (i also lost interest but didn't pay full price :3) 13:06 So Avatar, crypt, etc. were written in TUTOR 13:06 i see 13:06 stenno: im just saying one's mileage may vary :P 13:06 We later ported it to a DEC Alpha when that became available -- moving forward in time was complicated because the Cyber was a 60 bit computer. The 64 bit Alpha finally permitted feasible hardware modernization 13:06 kerio still plays minecraft he's obsessed with that shit lol 13:07 i still play nethack after all these years and im obssesed with that 13:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Mal Neu) had a glass plumed helmet entrusted to him by Crom, on T:1059 13:07 krm26: tutor looks like assembler lol 13:07 i can understand how minecraft gets boring every now and then 13:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +3 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:53947 13:07 Naaaa, TUTOR is a super-friendly language. It just has an incredibly primitive devenv compared to what we're used to these days 13:07 but i cannot see myself never ever playing minecraft again even though i am taking a bit of a break right now 13:07 stenno: for me I didn't find enough appeal to play it enough 13:07 <{Demo}> dude i watched a video of x/y/z aligning thrown projectiles in water and i realized that minecraft is a deep deep deep dark hole if you let it be 13:07 It was developed explicitly to let non-programming professors write educational material with it, and it worked really well for that 13:07 to get ot the point where it just gets boring once in a while 13:08 aoei: check out redstone 13:08 stenno: what is that? 13:08 aoei: oh, oh, oh... 13:08 you don't know about redstone, eh 13:08 krm26: uuh 13:08 The appeal of open-world and worldbuilding games depends on the community, and that is where most modern games fall down. Huge but unaccountable communities 13:09 minecraft is truly open world 13:09 and imo the only game i played that made open world right 13:09 ithout being repetitive 13:10 That style of game always really excites me conceptually -- I grew up in an era where you squeezed every single bit and something like that was totally impossible. Couldn't even really contemplate it procedurally 13:10 stenno: as someone who enjoys exploration above all else, it does get repetitive 13:10 <{Demo}> the level of shit ppl squeeze out of minecraft is insane 13:10 but that's not really minecraft's fault and more of just procgen problems 13:10 <{Demo}> just the stupid interactions between shit 13:11 <{Demo}> a lot of the game for ppl isnt the game itself 13:11 {Demo}: how d'you mean? 13:11 what is the game for a lot of peolpe 13:11 aosdict: well i guess if you are just exploring, then yeah 13:11 <{Demo}> abusing the way shit interacts to create weird shit 13:11 There was a really great age of sail exploration game on PLATO called santamaria...A bit like Oregon Trail in a randomly generated pre-colonial world, with scurvy and doldrums 13:11 there are only so many different biomes 13:11 {Demo}: lol that sounds a lot more me than what i think minecraft is XD 13:12 <{Demo}> "100% accuracy ender pearl cannons" for example are a good point of "good god people are squeezing every bit out of this game" 13:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +3 gauntlets of power", on T:9070 13:12 what is this server called where they do insane stuff 13:12 scicraft 13:12 like world eater machines 13:12 and unbelievably effective farms 13:12 (sorry, nobody ever asks me about old stuff -- you guys are lucky, gotta go tend to some baking now anyway) 13:12 all in survival vanilla 13:13 baking some mince pies? :) 13:13 krm26: aw 13:13 <{Demo}> that is what is impressive to me the way people can just do the craziest shit in that game where it's like how is this even possible 13:13 Factorio produces a lot of crazy shit 13:14 I'll be back later to talk about how one's complement arithmetic let us to really efficient dungeon plotting :-) 13:14 factorio is probably inspired by minecraft tech mods 13:14 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:14 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1777 points, T:2719, killed by a bolt of lightning 13:15 aoei: redstone is a mechanic in minecraft which allows you to make circuits 13:15 <{Demo}> factorio is also insane but that's a bit different 13:15 stenno: ok i have heard about it 13:15 its coming back to me 13:16 but i dont really give a fraction of a shit about minecraft :D 13:16 shrug 13:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1301 13:16 <{Demo}> scicraft sounds interesting, never heard of this. love to hear stories of people doing crazy shit 13:17 eg https://www.reddit.com/r/factorio/comments/iwmede/i_made_a_printer_that_prints_in_rgb_using_chips/ 13:17 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 13:17 {Demo}: you _must_ check it out then 13:17 idk if they're still being made, but I used to like 'super hostile' and 'complete the monument' maps 13:17 Pinkbeast: as in like uk chips? are you brit? 13:17 has anyone made a java emulator in minecraft yet and run minecraft on it 13:17 hahhahahaha 13:17 aosdict: love it 13:17 aosdict: they have made CPUs 13:17 aoei: I am British, but I'm not the author of that, and it's computer chips, which conveniently come in red/green/blue in Factorio 13:18 aosdict: nethack's best standup comedian 13:18 slaying as always 13:18 {Demo}: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cSdG-GxQXHo 13:18 * NAOrsa python sneaks behind minecraft, and bites java! 13:18 Pinkbeast: ohhh i thik i heard of this game Factorio possibly 13:18 i think a frind showed me it on screenshare once 13:18 you have to research things and make your factory more complex while you polute the planet or osmething? 13:19 <{Demo}> factorio is a game ppl take stims and do crazy shit on 13:20 hm 13:20 You make factories to make research packs to make factories to... there's nested layers of automation, for one thing. 13:20 might be a game for me when i next get hold of some 13:20 Pinkbeast: yeah i think ive seen it 13:20 There's a demo and it's a good demo. 13:20 factorio is exactly like tech modded minecraft 13:20 only 2D 13:20 Also it has TRAINS making it immediately and obviously superior to games without trains 13:20 minecraft has minecarts in vanilla even 13:20 <{Demo}> yeah the demo is insane 13:20 with lot of redstone control 13:21 [hdf-us] [fh] Eioi (Bau) (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 33725 points, T:4305, killed by a watch captain 13:21 <{Demo}> for like, meeting the requirements of what a demo should be 13:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1775 13:24 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 13:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:28 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 13:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Mal Neu), 7218 points, T:4872, killed by a watch captain 13:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:11331 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Enchantress, on T:34416 13:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a pair of old gloves entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:1213 13:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:11832 13:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3195 13:36 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 4437 points, T:7878, killed by a water moccasin 13:37 i played DF for awhile, so when my friend tried to get me into minecraft it was like... i have to build this all myself? and dig each block? that's what dwarves are for! 13:38 time to figure out color alchemy now, i suppose https://imgur.com/FOYtcsH.png 13:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) reached Minetown, on T:3290 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 4578 points, T:4024, killed by a garter snake, while fainted from lack of food 13:38 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2588 points, T:6652, killed by a killer bee, while sleeping 13:39 df doesn't really compare to minecraft 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:34791 13:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34795 13:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Lugh, on T:12095 13:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5375 13:42 spicycebolla: I want to try df but don't want to get sucked into it 13:42 <@the_eternal_paradox> Hehehe it's "fun" 13:42 i had a friend in secondary school who was obsessed with DF lol 13:42 i remember him showing me his fortress 13:43 ^ is it terrible that my brain decides immediately this sounds like euphemism 13:43 the lack of it being open source might help me not get sucked in 13:43 my mind lives and belongs in the gutter, clearly 13:43 <@the_eternal_paradox> It's fun in a normal way if you play it safe 13:44 <@the_eternal_paradox> From what I read about though, it gets real FUN when you do stupid dwarf tricks or things like that 13:44 if you just try to build every kind of thing and not lose the game, i think DF can be pretty reasonable 13:44 sometimes dwarf fortress has really funny bugs to read about 13:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a spear entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3611 13:44 self imposed challenges, or building ludicrous megaforts is where you fall dead 13:44 <@the_eternal_paradox> And try not to wake the __ 13:45 <@the_eternal_paradox> Oh that didn't work as intended 13:45 <@the_eternal_paradox> But yes, spoilers 13:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Mal Law), 3640 points, T:3756, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 13:46 do not wake the double altar 13:46 hey those are possible in 3.7 now 13:46 I think the famous one is a dwarven executioner that had broken arms and kept an arm in their mouth for years of ingame time 13:46 ... and executed people with it? 13:46 <@the_eternal_paradox> What about Koganusan? :) 13:47 well they coudn't use their arms so they bit peope to death 13:47 <{Demo}> what 13:47 <{Demo}> how does that even happen 13:47 <{Demo}> don't wanna know 13:47 hahaha, honestly having not played it I suspect reading about some of the bugs may be more fun than playing 13:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1229 13:48 i played most of my DF back when dwarves were *terrified* of carp 13:48 so terrified that they'd fall into the water and drown 13:48 <@the_eternal_paradox> "Urist cancels drink: interrupted by carp." 13:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:4277 13:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:54081 13:51 didn't the df author come out saying "I think fish are too hardcore" or something 13:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:54089 13:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 2112 points, T:4468, killed by a snake, while sleeping 13:52 <@the_eternal_paradox> Haha yea he did 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 17895 points, T:4510, killed by an ettin mummy 13:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:54119 13:58 play rimworld for a modern df 13:59 <{Demo}> is that a hot take? 13:59 idk 14:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3727 14:05 don't think it is 14:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Hob Fem Neu), 1765 points, T:2459, killed by a bolt of cold 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:4331 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 177 points, T:661, burned by molten lava 14:12 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 91 points, T:97, killed by a jackal 14:13 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 14 points, T:40, killed by a water moccasin 14:15 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 79 points, T:341, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 14:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Orc Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:1128 14:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:1116 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1264 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3481 points, T:5450, killed by a panther 14:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14807 14:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Orc Mal Law), 2446 points, T:4192, killed by a rabid rat 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1170 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 7486 points, T:9422, killed by a soldier ant 14:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed the invisible high priestess of Moloch, on T:54293 14:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 581 points, T:1101, killed by a giant rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 14:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:16378 14:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Kni Hum Mal Law), 45192 points, T:16755, choked on a stone giant corpse 14:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] doomcircle (Sam Gia Mal Law) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Pilferer, on T:15472 14:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Hea Hob Mal Neu) averted death (killed by an orc-captain), on T:2890 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:4096 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3417 14:50 45 minutes of silence after my hot take 14:50 mustve been very cold 14:55 maybe everyone just has fire resistance 14:55 or it was such a hot take it stunned everyone into silence 14:55 that must have been it... 14:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Hea Hob Mal Neu), 5062 points, T:3510, quit 14:57 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 78 points, T:214, killed by a guard 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63562 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Robber, on T:47123 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2475 points, T:3038, killed by a jaguar 14:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:63572 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:63582 15:01 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:47236 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) made his first artifact wish - "blessed +2 Grayswandir", on T:47236 15:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Orc Fem Cha), 120 points, T:462, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 15:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Ogresmasher", on T:5427 15:02 rimworld's fine, but you can't dig down or build up, i miss that 15:03 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 146 points, T:643, killed by Mr. Angmagssalik; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 15:03 if i see a tatzelworm breathe frost, should its name change to something clearer? (in unnethack) 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:47636 15:04 spicycebolla: I dunno but that would identify it as a white dragon (or cold dragon? does unnethack change their names?) 15:04 You don't know, it might be holding a wand of cold in its mouth 15:05 is it time to bring the dreaded wand golem back up 15:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible microlance's ghost, the former Heathen, on T:3943 15:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 644 points, T:1772, killed by a small mimic 15:09 i apprechiate everyones' contributions to teh nhqdb, but please make sure that the quote is actually nethack-related 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 19 points, T:411, killed by an incubus 15:14 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 123 points, T:397, killed by a newt, while sleeping 15:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 887 points, T:1945, killed by a hobbit zombie 15:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:54321 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:49409 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:63687 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:63696 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6784 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:49777 15:25 [hdf-us] [spl] davez (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 3161 points, T:2828, sent to the grave by a rope golem 15:26 Oh poor microlance! You died in a Minetown with two magic lamps 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Marksman, on T:63813 15:28 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) completed Lokoban, on T:9324 15:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:12328 15:29 It is actually hard for my forensics team to figure out exactly what horrible acts transpired in this Minetown 15:33 CSI: Minetown 15:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hum Mal Cha), 5130 points, T:5647, killed by a wolf 15:37 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Ana Dwa Mal Cha), 18904 points, T:10803, killed by an owlbear 15:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Okjubre (Rog Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:50896 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Joshu, on T:7533 15:41 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible microlance's ghost, the former Brute, on T:13215 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 10017 points, T:8126, killed by a tiger 15:43 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4731 15:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 64 points, T:284, killed by a goblin 15:48 aosdict: dragons are brown until you discover their breath. 15:48 ahhh, so the color of the glyph tells me it's a white dragon? 15:48 i tried farlook and then : 15:48 I know, but it seems like spicycebolla didn't get an id 15:49 got a dune quote 15:49 spicycebolla: yes. and FWIW, after observing their breath, the scales are listed as discoveries 15:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3344 15:51 spicycebolla: you seem to have gotten the worm entry of the database :-) the upcoming pokedex should list their breath as well 15:51 ok, well i can check discoveries til then, thanks! 15:51 * spicycebolla rides a pretzelworm into the next cockatrice 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:3874 15:52 can they level up into anything bigger, or is it just baby -> pretzel? 15:52 spicycebolla: what hasn't developed so far is distinguishing the different dragon types a bit more than just by their breaths. like e.g. lindworm not flying and tatzelworm being a digger. 15:52 no. unnethack doesn't have elder dragons 15:53 bhaak: do you want to have elder dragons tho? :o 15:53 i guess that's good. means i can just ride it around and not try to feed it kills 15:53 * aoei thinks that could be cool 15:53 TIL if you wield a cursed potion of water and smash it on a monster while you have lycanthropy it'll turn you into your wereform 15:54 that sounds like a bug 15:54 heh i wonder if it works in vanilla too 15:54 <{Demo}> not a bug 15:54 <{Demo}> its in vanilla 15:54 <{Demo}> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/potion.c#L694 15:54 <{Demo}> very clearly deliberate 15:55 woah {Demo} just beat aosdict at current nh dev knowledge 15:55 aosdict: sorry but he's now the prime contender for next devteam member 15:55 <{Demo}> no i found that out with amateurhour 15:55 peffects() is for when a potion shatters on *you* mainly 15:55 <{Demo}> when amateurhour said it was in dnh 15:55 maybe you two can share a member slot? 15:55 actually wait it's for drinkin 15:55 <{Demo}> aosdict ever hit the dude next to you with a wielded paralysis potion? 15:55 drinking 15:56 <{Demo}> oh that is drinking 15:56 <{Demo}> fuck 15:56 you shouldn't get drink effects for smashing a monster in melee 15:56 I'll take that title back aoei 15:56 no check out potionbreathe 15:56 <{Demo}> linked wrong spot 15:56 same code there 15:56 <{Demo}> yeah its in potionbreathe 15:56 aosdict: ok fair play well done, forget i said anything 15:56 <{Demo}> i just linked the wrong spot when i reopened it 15:56 oh wait 15:56 <{Demo}> https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/potion.c#L1774 15:56 ok i will shut up for a second and wait for the dust to settle 15:57 heh 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] jizosaves (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 412 points, T:1846, killed by a succubus 15:57 <{Demo}> anyway this is a good example of why a "safe" xhity merge is near impossible 15:57 aosdict: fwiw if you lose this title... i still think you're cool 15:57 <{Demo}> which vanilla is moving towards and i predict will be very buggy 15:58 <{Demo}> and this is an example of why 15:58 <{Demo}> because of behaviors like this that NOBODY knows about 15:58 :s 15:58 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1] 15:58 i thought you sometimes got hit by the same potion effect when hitting a monster with one 15:59 <{Demo}> you do if the guy is adjacent 15:59 like you get paralyzed when you hit a monster with paralysis 15:59 yeah because you breathe in the vapours 15:59 stenno: not quite, similar but not the same as drinking 15:59 <{Demo}> yes but this is potion vapor code 15:59 stenno: i feel like you just chimed in without reading the whole discussion <.< 15:59 <{Demo}> i know about potion vapors and added quite a few in ndnh for the vape item 15:59 <{Demo}> cause not enough potions actually did shit 15:59 if you smash holy water on a monster does it cure lycanthropy also 15:59 aosdict: good question lol 15:59 specifically, your own 16:00 <{Demo}> no read the code I linked 16:00 i seldomly read everything before saying something 16:00 <{Demo}> the second link 16:00 stenno: that souds like a you problem :^) 16:00 <{Demo}> only calls "you_unwere(FALSE);" 16:00 no, it'll de-wereform you though if you can somehow do it 16:00 <{Demo}> and NOT set_ulycn(NON_PM); 16:00 <{Demo}> only set_ulycn(NON_PM); if you drink it 16:01 whats a 'you problem' 16:01 you'd have to get creative to have holy water smash as a wolf though I guess 16:01 stenno: in this context? a stenno problem 16:01 c: 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3419 points, T:4083, killed by a rothe 16:03 stenno: teasing aside, i do the same sometimes :p 16:03 tho it wasn't like a lengthy discussion and sometimes reading before speaking will improve the value of your contributions :P 16:03 cba'd 16:04 i guess gold gets rounded *down* to the nearest 50 16:04 also fair 16:04 it usually works out 16:04 spicycebolla: hm yeah i think thats how it works 16:04 for weight you mean right? 16:04 <{Demo}> what who cares if im in the discussion contribution quality is out the window 16:04 yeah 16:04 my inventory weight often goes up by 1, when i stash gold 16:04 which feels backwards 16:04 {Demo}: lmao 16:04 i consolidate and it gets heavier 16:04 {Demo}: are your comments so inane that the input of others can't save the discussion even? 16:05 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 16:05 <{Demo}> or just plain sloppy 16:05 lol 16:05 more importantly 16:05 there's a vape item in ndnh?? 16:05 lol, amateurhour is intrigued 16:05 did two ascensions and never saw one 16:05 <{Demo}> yes you can dip it in a potion to set its flavor and consume the potion 16:05 <{Demo}> play a gnome 16:05 <{Demo}> or kill enough gnomes 16:05 amateurhour: did you switch from cigs to vaping or am i confusing you with somebody? 16:05 <{Demo}> and you get a few hits on it that to potion vapor effects of that type 16:05 yeah I did 16:05 nice 16:06 huh so you can turn one potion quaff into like 3 potion vapes? 16:06 i never really did vaping 16:06 just quit cold turkey 16:06 did you nerf it for gain level etc or is it imba for some potion types? 16:06 but then sometimes i smoke crack or meth, so 16:06 <{Demo}> like a handful of vapes like more than 10 sometimes i think 16:06 <{Demo}> no need to nerf for anything strong 16:06 <{Demo}> its just potion vapor 16:07 <{Demo}> potion vapor doesn't do much usually 16:07 <{Demo}> you can also blow fog cloud monsters out of it if using like oil or water 16:07 heh interesting 16:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:10 ah yeah doesn't look like any of the vapours are really powerful 16:10 I thought maybe gain ability still did something but it's more like restore ability 16:12 vape crack instead 16:12 its very powerful 16:13 oh these are very slow 16:13 riding a dragon is bad 16:13 rats 16:13 yeah speed 9 lol 16:13 seems cool, is bad 16:13 altho if you zap one with speed mon i guess it works out as about speed 12 16:14 9*4/3 == 12 yes or no? 16:14 somebody pls math 16:14 think i rode one a lot in fourk but dragons are very buffed in there 16:14 9/3 = 3, 4*3 = 12 ok yeah 16:17 oof, keep getting caitiff 16:18 In evilhack they are nice for engulfing everything 16:18 aoei: it crossed my mind to add elder dragons. especially for the dragon caves. but I haven't conceptually thought this through and especially not how to differentiate them from normal, adult dragons. one idea would be to give them passive attacks as in other variants. 16:19 just make em a lot faster lol 16:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 24657 points, T:7883, killed by an energy vortex 16:19 so many variants alter dragons in so many different ways 16:19 clearly vanilla dragons have a problem 16:20 but no one changes wumpuses. they're perfect! 16:20 bhaak: yeah maybe add passive and engulf to elders? 16:20 Make elder dragons multisquare like long worms 16:21 :o 16:21 Make them constrict and engulf and knock back and give them passives like their breath weapons like in evilhack 16:21 spicycebolla: have you read dune or watched the series or movie 16:21 Then make them spellcasters like arch-liches 16:21 Done! 16:21 I don't really like that aspect though 16:21 krm26: omg that would be SO AWESOME 16:21 but everyone else seems to 16:21 amateurhour: which aspect? 16:21 gray/black dragon passives and engulfing 16:22 ah right 16:22 i mean it's horrifying 16:22 but kinda cool as an elder dragon thing if elder's are suitably rare etc. 16:22 and sea dragons or whatever making all your stuff wet 16:22 bleh 16:22 Sea dragons are the worst, but gray is pretty cruel 16:22 Sea dragons drowning, mmm 16:22 i read dune and tried to watch one of the TV series for a bit 16:22 I think I lost three fully ascension-capable characters getting used to sea dragons 16:23 feels overrated now but i bet it shook up the genre at the time 16:23 the space-biff and captain adventure genre 16:23 Or you could make elder dragons start combining -- yellow dragon grows up into an elder yellow/red, etc. 16:23 With their ultimate chromatic growth stage 16:24 Dune was groundbreaking but it isn't fantastic by current standards (still decent though I would say) 16:24 evilhack is too difficult for me though, so my opinion on the evil features isn't too meaningful 16:24 Evilhack SEEMS really difficult at first but it is actually reasonable 16:24 There is a harsh adjustment period for sure 16:24 for you it's reasonable 16:24 for this amateur it's too hard :P 16:24 It is just a "new normal" to get used to :-) 16:25 You've ascended dnethack? 16:25 dnh twice and ndnh twice 16:25 You've got evilhack any time you want it 16:25 what? evilhack is way harder lol 16:25 spicycebolla: i heard there's some interesting trans stuff in it but i also heard that the author of the book was a huge homophobe? ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 16:25 idk what to make of all that but ive neithe read book nor seedn show 16:25 seen* 16:25 Once you've run your hands over your full-dragonhide-encased body it is hard to leave 16:25 dnh gives you so many optional opportunities to stock up on mad loot and get imba artifacts to carry you through 16:26 Trans stuff in Dune? 16:26 thats waht i heard, or so i thought 16:26 its possible i misinterpreted some things friends told me 16:26 no idea 16:27 Ok, I admit I haven't read them since the 80s, but not that I recall. I also don't know that Herbert was a homophobe although certainly a good chunk of the male authors of his generation were 16:27 I can't remember anything of that kind in Dune and I read it from time to time. Surely Card is the huge bigot, not Herbert? 16:27 Card is definitely a huge bigot 16:27 interesting 16:28 Frank Herbert has been accused of being a "white saviour" author but again, that applies to a huge chunk of his generation 16:28 ... the Harkonnens are not-straight as a proxy for being evil, now I dwell on it 16:28 Dune is pretty bloody white saviour, yeah, that one's fair enough 16:28 i found ender's game + speaker4dead a lot more readable when i was reading into the strong presence of male-male relationships 16:29 From books of that period, trying to think of good explicitly trans-inclusive stuff...not a lot. David Zindell's Neverness books maybe? 16:29 and the bored, dry, barely-there male-female relationships 16:29 like hmmmm, repressing much? 16:29 i think a friend told me a villain in Dune was super gay-coded and very evil, and that this was quite common for that generation and also obviously kinda homophobic? 16:29 aoei: Yeah, the aforementioned Harkonnens 16:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:55518 16:29 Pinkbeast: that was the name of the villain? 16:29 That is more movide-Dune than book-Dune 16:30 krm26: ah i see 16:30 aoei: Yes (and no, it's in the books) 16:30 Book, rather, the sequels don't exist 16:30 But remember that there is a large western literary strain of "evil dissolution" which includes pederasty without being explicitly gay 16:30 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Mal Neu), 30099 points, T:16668, killed by a bolt of fire 16:31 For a big chunk of our literatary heritage objectifying young boys didn't equate to homosexuality 16:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) genocided krakens, on T:55521 16:31 The stoic philosophers's version of workplace harrassment 16:31 if these boots were kicking, i could probably kick a tiger corpse away? 16:32 Can boots of kicking kick big corpses away? That is new to me 16:32 Boots of kicking can kick heavier objects, anyway (eg, critically, lodestones) 16:32 oh, the door shattered to pieces 16:32 probably kickboots 16:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) genocided electric eels, on T:55524 16:33 Also much as I like Dune it doesn't actually make a lot of sense in places :-) 16:36 looking forward to the new movie redo 16:37 i think it's going to be split up into 2 maybe 3 movies? 16:41 I hope they don't Peter Jackson it 16:42 Man, Minetowns without general stores BLOW 16:42 All I want is some quick and dirty price IDing man 16:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Knight, on T:26515 16:43 K2: Can monks hit ghosts with enchanted gloves? Or do they need silver or bone or something? 16:43 yes to both 16:43 Nifty (drowning in microlances) 16:45 I suspect that you increase the drop rate of magical boots in centaur games K2 :-P Anecdotal evidence is always right 16:45 Should be one racial artifact for each race -- artifact horseshoes, etc. 16:45 its based on playername 16:45 :) 16:46 Who knew using pleasefmeover for a name would come back to bite me 16:52 close to the portal on the water plane but these evilhack elementals and dragons keep engulfing me, bastards 16:52 found an aleax that was wearing almost the exact same gear as i am 16:52 but rust/fireproofed 16:52 Good luck mobileuser! 16:53 spicycebolla sounds like unnethack 16:53 that's true to ad&d behavior 16:53 thx! aaand the portal is out of sight again :-) 16:53 neat 16:54 I tried sea dragon scaling my way straight to it last game, it didn't work for crap 16:54 All it gained me was being able to reapply grease to everything 16:54 too much turbulance i suspect 16:54 I bet my ascensions are greasier than anybody else's 16:55 Should be a grease score 16:55 <{Demo}> max grease score is 52? 16:56 I think a percentage of items in open inventory is fair 16:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had a silver axe entrusted to him by Set, on T:1278 16:56 <{Demo}> so drop everything but a greased dagger before you give up the ammy 16:56 <{Demo}> that would be a slick move 16:57 <{Demo}> its gotta be out of 52 or people would slip in ascensions like that for the grease score 16:57 Min of (after first movement on astral plane, at ascension) 16:57 <{Demo}> actually wait nobody would care about the grease score 16:57 EVERYBODY LOVES THE GREASE SCORE 16:57 but not Travolta's grease hair 16:57 Ok you're right, the score to Jesus Christ Superstar is much better 16:57 ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 16:58 <{Demo}> gods dont look kindly upon heros covered head to toe in grease 16:58 <{Demo}> they might not want the amulet 16:58 It is *because* the gods don't look kindly that we have to cover ourselves in grease in the first place 16:58 <{Demo}> hey if you pass it to them greasy, you think they'll demigod you then accidentally drop it? 16:58 <{Demo}> and you can steal it and become god 16:58 omg why am i not receiving accolades for my amazing travolta greasy hair joke 16:58 this community :c 17:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Mal Cha) had a small shield entrusted to him by Set, on T:3478 17:01 lol 17:03 We already ragged on Card, we're afraid what the Church will do to us if we make fun of Travolta too 17:06 lmao 17:06 the church has hated me for a long time :D 17:06 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 222 points, T:614, killed by a lichen 17:06 this makes me want to watch Grease 17:06 K2: do it!! 17:06 that was my sisters fav movie back in the 70's 17:06 nice 17:06 i only saw it for the first time recently 17:06 in school-play form 17:06 i think i still haven't seen the original movie 17:07 you should 17:07 ok but before i do 17:07 tell me what's worse 17:07 I contend that JCSS is both better and more appropriate to the time of year :-) 17:07 seeing RHPS first in 2020 17:07 or Grease? 17:07 krm26: what is JCSS? 17:08 Jesus Christ Superstar 17:08 ... 17:08 RHPS? 17:08 ok tell me ehat's worse 17:08 Rocky Horror Picture Show 17:08 seeing rocky-horror picture show first in 2020 17:08 or grease 17:08 or JCSS? 17:08 see the first 2 17:08 What do you mean, which is worse? 17:08 which is worse to have still not seen 17:08 I am one of like three people in the world who loves RHPS unironically 17:09 Skip Grease and see the other two first 17:09 i saw RHPS already 17:09 Grease is fine 17:09 but only like two weeks ago 17:09 or one week ago 17:09 But RHPS and JCSS are really good 17:09 idk, recently 17:09 i loved RHPS 17:09 but i should watch it again tbh 17:09 Then I love you 17:09 i was under the influence of exhaustion when i saw it first 17:09 among other things 17:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 3270 points, T:1651, killed by a gnome lord zombie 17:10 krm26: :D 17:10 <3 17:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 3829 points, T:5944, killed by a gnome lady, while frozen by a potion 17:10 My first-ever proto-mmo toon in the days when mmo meant "on PLATO" was named Velvet Darkness from an RHPS lyric 17:10 i still gotta see drunken master as well 17:10 its on my computer 17:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 8 points, T:72, killed by a jackal 17:10 but i got distracted and didnt watch yet 17:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) genocided blue dragons, on T:55822 17:11 speaking of, im currently getting distracted from my plan of hanging laundry and then falling asleep 17:11 night 17:11 Gnight! 17:13 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 1330 points, T:1745, killed by an arrow 17:16 o/ 17:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Dwa Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3076 17:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Dwa Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3934 17:27 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (two random monsters from class m), on T:1821 17:28 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha) genocided small mimics, on T:1822 17:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Mon Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8473 17:31 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha) genocided elven wizards, on T:1885 17:34 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:34 does a centaur monk get more attacks in evilhack? 17:34 If they don't they should 17:35 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Mon Hlf Mal Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:5684 17:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Mon Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:8853 17:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 8276 points, T:5976, killed by a wand 17:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:29097 17:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:18280 17:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:3274 17:50 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sflicht (Mon Hlf Mal Neu), 16917 points, T:8512, killed by a hunting horror 17:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha), 2939631 points, T:55952, ascended 17:56 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1607607707.evil.html 17:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Buxus (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 6 points, T:102, killed by a sewer rat 17:59 GG mobileuser! 17:59 Thx! 18:00 nice! That's a tough role/race combo. 18:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Mal Cha), 8168 points, T:4846, killed by an exploding wand, while paralyzed by a monster 18:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hum Fem Cha), 41 points, T:164, killed by a goblin 18:05 i assume that anything convict is tough 18:05 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Ixoth, on T:31052 18:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:31053 18:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:63900 18:12 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:12 [hdf-us] [sp] cilantro (Sam Elf Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:15718 18:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:10064 18:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:4525 18:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4584 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:64106 18:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 274 points, T:1284, killed by a wererat, while praying 18:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a bag called [holding] containing 10 items on an altar, on T:4754 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:64158 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:64176 18:29 stenno: iirc Convicts start hungry and hobbits have intrinsic hunger or something similar 18:29 * Umbire tries to remember 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:64198 18:38 ha! The shop keeper drank a cursed potion of gain level and ended up abandoning the shop... I think. 18:38 stuff still says its for sale 18:38 oh wait... the orc is the shop keep, not the dwarf. n/m 18:40 lol 18:40 I wonder if there's code that prevents a shk from drinking c!oGl 18:41 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:5238 18:41 Probably? 18:42 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2093 points, T:5192, killed by an ice vortex 18:43 <{Demo}> aligned priests as well 18:43 <{Demo}> wonder if they won't drink it, or if they won't gen with it 18:43 mobileuser: Grats on Convict ascension! 18:44 will shks pick up shop potions after they got aggro'd? 18:44 Nah, they're still selling them 18:45 Like the shop's items are still listed as being for sale unless you off the shopkeeper themselves 18:45 Now levelporting them I don't know about 18:46 do bones work differently in evilhack? Found two ghosts but no gear. 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 3267457 points, T:64240, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1608048171.nh.html 18:47 I haven't noticed changes, but if you are finding microlance bones, they are sometimes weird :-) 18:47 He's doing "extreme play" 18:47 they are! 18:48 bones are different in evilhack; not every item remains 18:49 Oh? 18:50 jilles: Do explain 18:50 From what I remember sometimes your bones file becomes a player monster or something else 18:51 I don't know the details 18:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:36791 18:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:9194 18:55 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:55 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Dwa Fem Law) had a dagger entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:5330 18:56 -!- spontiff has quit [Quit: spontiff] 18:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Orc Fem Una), 12675 points, T:3784, killed by a chameleon imitating a marilith 18:58 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 18:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8408 19:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1462 points, T:2075, killed by a giant ant 19:07 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 8683 points, T:6857, killed by a watchman 19:10 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] TheOrangeLumppus (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1683 19:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed microlance the elf zombie, and former Conjurer, on T:1675 19:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a mountain nymph, on T:8400 19:21 Oopsie 19:23 nymphtaur 19:24 YASI: centaurs that polymorph only have their bottom or top halves changed depending on the form 19:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 1719 points, T:3021, killed by an Aleax of Issek 19:28 F 19:30 I *hate* not being able to eat floating eyes 19:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:8756 19:31 DAMMIT 19:31 It was muscle memory 19:31 sdkjsdkfjsdkfj 19:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] TheOrangeLumppus (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:2464 19:33 <{Demo}> RIP 19:37 Aw 19:44 Oh come ON, an NPC at level 11? 19:44 Life is fleeting 19:44 <{Demo}> i miss when they had free boh 19:45 (it may have been my complaining that ended that) 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] TheOrangeLumppus (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3540 19:46 -!- dtype has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 19:47 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] TheOrangeLumppus (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3850 19:54 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 152 points, T:1087, killed by a large mimic 19:57 -!- aoei has quit [*.net *.split] 19:57 -!- unsound has quit [*.net *.split] 19:57 -!- eady has quit [*.net *.split] 19:57 -!- loli has quit [*.net *.split] 19:57 -!- sacredchao has quit [*.net *.split] 19:57 -!- Tangles has quit [*.net *.split] 19:57 -!- |aaron has quit [*.net *.split] 19:57 -!- APic has quit [*.net *.split] 19:57 -!- NAOrsa has quit [*.net *.split] 19:57 Oh boy. 19:58 It is the purge 19:58 !who 19:58 K2: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] TheOrangeLumppus [nh370] Alex [nh370] Frozty [nh370] hothraxxa [un] malor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 19:59 someone's going nuts with the tsurugi again 20:01 -!- sebastia1toby has joined #hardfought 20:01 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 20:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had a javelin entrusted to her by Crom, on T:5716 20:02 That whacky Crom 20:03 he'd be whackier if he handed out blunt weapons 20:05 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:05 The gods clearly know very little about gear optimization 20:05 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1938 points, T:2888, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 20:17 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 20:17 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 20:17 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 20:17 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 20:17 -!- sacredchao has joined #hardfought 20:17 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 20:17 -!- |aaron has joined #hardfought 20:17 -!- APic has joined #hardfought 20:17 -!- NAOrsa has joined #hardfought 20:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+vo eady Tangles] by weber.freenode.net 20:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a dwarf queen, on T:7589 20:23 nice polymorph, microlance 20:23 bug_sniper: Message from K2 at 2020-12-17 09:27 EST: depends on what you're wearing on your head. hard helmet blocks zombie head bite 75% of the time, soft hat 50% of the time 20:25 YANI: Trolls, or at least rock trolls, may spontaneously animate from any statues of them, including ones created from petrification - and yes, this is a Discworld reference. 20:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:11634 20:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Neu) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:8718 20:31 A lot of microlance-on-microlance violence going on 20:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Gauntlets of Spell Power", on T:13020 20:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had a copper scimitar entrusted to her by Crom, on T:8779 20:35 <@nabru> !pom 20:35 @nabru: The moon is waxing crescent; full moon in 8 days. 20:40 https://allthetropes.org/wiki/NetHack/Analysis How do you guys think this is coming along so far? 20:40 hi nabru 20:40 <@nabru> Hey Umbire 20:40 Umbire: design wise it's weird to go to suddenly centered text and back to left 20:41 ? 20:41 <@luxidream> Rogues start with exceptional strength befitting that of a thug 20:41 <@luxidream> hahaha 20:41 Nothing's centered... 20:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 20:41 The "Tropes exhibited by foo include" are 20:41 Oh 20:41 That's just how they appear 20:42 knights don't have excalibur as a sacrifice gift. nobody gets it as a sacrifice gift 20:42 ...really? Could've sworn 20:42 <{Demo}> it is no gen 20:42 <@luxidream> dual wielding goes under rogue and arc but not sam? 20:42 <{Demo}> so it will never be given as one 20:42 bah, probably misremembered 20:42 @luxidream I'm working on this as I type so 20:43 just mention anything I missed or messed and I'll fix it ASAP 20:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Mon Hum Fem Law) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a plains centaur corpse, on T:11690 20:43 rip veggie conduct 20:43 :c 20:45 <@910rd> !@@#$$%@^@ 20:45 <@910rd> first that dumb wererat and now this 20:45 <@luxidream> rip 20:45 [hdf-us] [evil] bouquet (Sam Dwa Fem Law), 12173 points, T:9397, killed by a nightmare 20:45 mm, probably got variant poisoning while adding that Excal bit 20:45 <@luxidream> umbire: why do you use semicolons so much 20:46 <@luxidream> I don't think it makes it any easier to read 20:46 why not 20:46 * Umbire shrugs 20:46 <@910rd> Okay I am doing mostly vegan and mostly weaponless now 20:46 It's mostly habit I'll admit 20:46 <@nabru> !lastgame bouquet 20:46 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/evilhack/dumplog/1608503691.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/nethack/dumplog/1576989832.nh.html 20:46 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:48 that went from manageable to terrible fast. 20:48 :c 20:49 <@luxidream> it just makes really long sentences that can be unwieldy sometimes imo 20:49 <@luxidream> I don't think any are particularly bad here, just noticed it on the wiki too 20:51 Yeah das fair 20:51 Working on correcting that + misc. spelling errors from late night phone editing 20:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2278 20:52 semi-colons are a weak join between two thoughts that are closely related. you can almost always replace one with a period. 20:52 * hothraxxa speaking from a career of editing 20:53 slightly better than comma-and 20:53 hothraxxa: You are almost correct. Strike the "almost" 20:53 Sorry, I mean: You are almost correct; strike the "almost" 20:53 heh 20:53 * Umbire rolls up a newspaper 20:54 there are times when a semi-colon is appropriate, hence the almost 20:55 <@luxidream> thanks for the expert opinion 20:55 * hothraxxa strikes the "almost", gets "you are correct." 20:55 <@luxidream> I'm not a good writer by any means 20:56 <{Demo}> i cant write i can just be mad at bad writing like my own 20:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:13842 20:56 <@nabru> well, I've worked with someone who simply couldn't use any type of punctuation even if his life depended on it 20:57 wanted to play a neutral monk in anticipation of wishing for EOTA, but then I'd lose a guaranteed reflection slot. Is the penalty for wearing SDSM at high level if I get dex gloves so bad it's not worth it? 20:57 <@luxidream> how did they pass elementary school? 20:57 <@nabru> I don't know, really 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1841 points, T:1554, killed by a killer bee 20:58 Editing ee cummings is very relaxing 20:58 bouquet: It's possible to offset with high Luck iirc 20:58 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:58 <@luxidream> bouquet: short answer is it's fine 20:59 archy and mehitabel ftw 20:59 good enough for me! If I get to the point I can wish it up and also have dex gloves then I'll worry about it then. 20:59 <@luxidream> ee cummings still uses parentheses and commas 21:00 archy didn't 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:2673 21:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a gold amulet of magic resistance, on T:12502 21:01 the leps are gonna love that 21:01 gold Xd 21:02 :) 21:02 bling bling 21:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2344 points, T:2779, killed by a hill orc 21:03 no leps in the barb quest atleast so i might be fine 21:03 might wanna add some? 21:03 some kind of desert leperchaun 21:03 I don't think Ireland had deserts 21:04 but barb quest is a desert, and i think it would be a good idea to have a leperchaun cousin there 21:05 <@luxidream> is that what the huge empty room is supposed to be 21:06 in essence 21:07 <@luxidream> should be a yellow . sand floor tile or something 21:07 <@luxidream> I couldn't tell 21:08 Yeah, limits of ASCII 21:08 I think the desert for a barbarian is more of a hinterland waste than sand dunes 21:08 <@luxidream> barbarian quest to me: giant empty room -> troll house -> gnomish mines 21:08 and yeah that's true 21:08 xnethack bar quest replaces the filler levels with mesa thingies 21:09 <@luxidream> well umbire ice is blue 21:09 <@luxidream> why can't sand be yellow 21:09 and the goal level, but home and locate are unchanged 21:09 it's not sand 21:09 I'm saying that they were working within limits at the time 21:10 it's anyone's guess why it wasn't changed moving forward 21:10 Barbarians are in the taiga 21:10 aoei: if you're catching up on classic cult movies you gotta see reefer madness 21:10 anyway brb realized I left out a whole ass role 21:10 Surely you realize they come from the land of ice and snow, from the midnight sun where the hot springs flow 21:11 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 270 points, T:849, killed by a black pudding 21:11 <@luxidream> no that's valkyrie 21:11 Them too 21:12 Soon a barbarian will be anyone who doesn't program in Python 21:13 Oh thank Crom a general store on 17 21:13 stenno will be a barbarian due to his support of node? 21:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9679 21:20 <@nabru> !lastgame quervo1 21:20 @nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/quervo1/nethack/dumplog/1608514151.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/q/quervo1/nethack/dumplog/1607288202.nh.html 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] TheOrangeLumppus (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:6794 21:21 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 722 points, T:1264, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted housecat 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed quervo1's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:1165 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased rustproof fireproof +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1184 21:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1701 21:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible every1's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:10672 21:31 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 36 points, T:73, killed by a jackal 21:32 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 48 points, T:110, killed by a sewer rat 21:38 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 33 points, T:77, killed by a fox 21:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Mon Inc Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:972 21:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Mon Inc Fem Neu), 6092 points, T:1232, killed by a dwarf 21:49 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 21:49 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 284 points, T:1217, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 21:50 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 410 points, T:2541, killed by an electric shock 21:50 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 21:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:16897 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:4574 21:52 <@nabru> yay 21:55 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 21:56 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 21:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Arc Hlf Fem Neu), 362 points, T:1259, killed by a quasit of Huhetotl 21:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Bin Hum Fem Non), 84 points, T:241, killed by a grid bug 21:59 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 22:00 -!- truculent has joined #hardfought 22:00 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 22:03 almost wanna say gg in advance but then if nabru dies it's my fault 22:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Pir Inc Fem Cha), 831 points, T:437, absorbing too much energy and exploding 22:03 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 22:04 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 22:07 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 22:08 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 22:09 <@nabru> Yep, now to find that stupid luckstone at mines' end... Will get back to it tomorrow 22:09 <@nabru> Found a loadstone, but not the luckstone 22:10 Hm 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 120 points, T:518, killed by a gas spore's explosion 22:13 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 76 points, T:678, killed by a sewer rat 22:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:13461 22:15 Uh, the high priest of Moloch can be a woman, right? 22:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:15996 22:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Pri Bat Mal Cha), 3890 points, T:1348, killed by a dwarf 22:19 -!- misha has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 22:20 -!- werekitten has joined #hardfought 22:21 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 22:21 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 22:21 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 2 points, T:65, killed by a kobold 22:24 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 86 points, T:322, killed by a goblin 22:26 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 22:27 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1813 points, T:5581, killed by an owlbear 22:27 -!- MaryHadalittle has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:33 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 166 points, T:507, killed by a falling rock 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2932 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:16932 22:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:16038 22:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Neu) became Crom's Envoy of Balance, on T:16084 22:42 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:47 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] dpmdpm (Val Dwa Fem Law), 980 points, T:2250, killed by a giant ant 22:52 -!- misha has joined #hardfought 22:53 hey stenno and misha 22:53 (go team a!) 22:54 There should be a live cross-variant scoreboard for the teams 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 226 points, T:301, killed by a grid bug, while frozen by a trap 22:58 <@luxidream> !who 22:58 @luxidream: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] klintos [nh370] bouquet [nh370] lunatunez [un] | [hdf-eu] microlance [evil] Glord [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6382 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Mon Hum Fem Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:6430 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 107 points, T:430, killed by a goblin 23:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 388 points, T:1270, killed by a hobgoblin 23:05 -!- truculent has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 23:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 0 points, T:13, killed by a system shock 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 315 points, T:444, killed by a little dog 23:08 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Con Hum Mal Cha), 1857 points, T:3025, killed by a crossbow bolt 23:09 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Mon Cen Fem Cha) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:18775 23:09 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Con Hum Mal Cha), 64 points, T:121, killed by an electric shock 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 272 points, T:494, killed by a hobbit 23:11 gnite all 23:12 o/ 23:13 [hdf-us] [un] lunatunez (Con Hum Mal Cha), 110 points, T:450, killed by a jackal 23:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Arc Dwa Mal Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Woman-at-arms, on T:56929 23:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1982 23:19 Night K2! 23:19 Hoping to make some good progress on EvilHack pages by the next time you're up! 23:21 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 151 points, T:435, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 23:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Neu), 150186 points, T:21104, petrified by Medusa 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3946 23:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5160 23:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Orc Fem Una), 50 points, T:65, killed by a sewer rat 23:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3756 points, T:7022, poisoned by an orcish arrow 23:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:5891 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 14603 points, T:6238, killed by a priestess of Ptah 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] dalles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:143 23:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 169 points, T:1466, killed by a small mimic 23:33 <@luxidream> !who 23:33 @luxidream: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] Estyn [nh370] bouquet [nh370] sohlman [slex] lunatunez [un] | [hdf-eu] microlance [evil] | [hdf-au] No current players 23:34 <@luxidream> no one is even on why is there so much lag 😦 23:34 rip luxi 23:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Mon Hum Fem Law), 40528 points, T:14751, killed by an air elemental 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:2552 23:42 <@910rd> well phooey 23:43 F 23:44 Lemme guess, Soko? 23:44 <@910rd> ogre king read create monster which spawned a bunch of shapechangers and the E 23:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1658 points, T:3037, killed by a hill orc 23:45 so the lag isn't just me? 23:52 TIL: you can throw the apple directly down to feed your horse, insead of unmounting at random times and feeding it too much 23:56 fucking horses, centaurs are probably the only worthwhile mount other then kirins. there should be a SMT like chat mechanic to recruit a centaur as your mount 23:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3716 23:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 4532 points, T:3886, quit