00:00 you'd be fine 00:00 and monsters zapping poly, cancel, and wish is crazytown 00:00 hehe 00:00 bouquet: logical too, though? 00:00 Oh so distressingly logical 00:01 i actually like evil because it isn't a ton of new stuff to learn imo 00:01 Evil's changes are much easier to digest than something like slex 00:01 OOoo, sea dragon scales 00:01 especially if you've ascended splice 00:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Cha) stole 9628 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Upernavik's general store, on T:3173 00:01 * tinklebear knows nothing of splice 00:02 i only mentioned it becasue bouquet said they've ascended it 00:02 oh yeah, I'm following 00:02 oh ok :) 00:02 * tinklebear knows nothing of anything, truth be told 00:03 I was drawn to Evilhack because it promised additional challenge but without drowning you in tons of new and changed stuff, and I stayed because DRAGONBANE 00:06 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 00:07 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 00:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2023 00:10 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 00:10 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 00:10 maybe I've tried to be too exotic when I've tried it. 00:11 you think evil is more straight forward than splice? 00:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1364 00:14 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:62924 00:14 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:62926 00:14 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 00:14 bouquet: i've never played a ton of splice, but yes i think so 00:15 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 00:15 i haven't either but i get the impression splice is a bit more kitchen sink 00:15 i'm not a big variant guy. I want to play them all. I just havent, for the same reasons you say. It feels overwhelming, but at least for me evil was not like that at all 00:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Cha) averted death (killed by an ochre jelly), on T:4524 00:15 evil has a fair bit of new content but its more focused on game balance 00:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 9396 points, T:4559, quit 00:16 rebatela: sometimes i think i want to play variants more, but im not so sure 00:16 many seem quite overwhelming 00:17 evil less overwhelming more scary 00:17 I'll give it a try again. I've got to check off my list xnh extinctionist and vanilla healer first. 00:18 haha and that's the other thing. you claim to not have patience, and then rattle off these extinctionist games... 00:18 unnethack and xnethack are the least overwhelming to me, especially the latter because it's very close to vanilla 00:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 4282 points, T:1849, killed by a gnome zombie 00:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Journeyer, on T:83867 00:20 there was a commit that i thought made xnh vault off of the "nearly vanilla but better" wagon 00:20 something biggish and systemic 00:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Orc Fem Cha), 15 points, T:63, killed by a sewer rat 00:21 xnh has paranoid water etc. kind of a huge deal to some people 00:21 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 00:22 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 00:23 rebatela: i imagine its a huge deal in the positive for some and in the negative for others lol 00:23 spicycebolla: do you remember any more detail than that? 00:23 looking at changelog. 00:24 aoei: for sure! lol 00:24 (personally i'm not that fussed about it in either direction...) 00:25 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 00:25 maybe i would be more in support when trying to do realtime speed or something lol 00:25 a few things, i guess. "ols chomps your constitution, magic missile isn't blocked by MR, spheres blow up in an aoe and can do a lot of inventory damage 00:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 11810 points, T:7117, killed by a leocrotta 00:25 the 2nd one makes all the archons a lot more serious 00:25 irght 00:25 right* 00:25 altho i think you get partial protection 00:26 IIRC when I last played if I rebounded magic missiles on myself (wiz), "some missiles bounced off" 00:26 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 00:26 magic missiles do damage in evil too. Like the ones on astral plane 00:26 im generally in favour of nerfs like this 00:27 because in vanilla the game becomes boring when you have all the resists 00:27 everything in evil has to be appended with "but, you can wish for dragonhide" :P 00:27 unless you go for wacky strats 00:27 lol spicycebolla 00:28 you don't have to wish.. you can find good gear because later in the game player monsters will be kitted out in dragonhide 00:28 sometimes 00:28 ah right 00:28 thing is usually you have good stuff by then, but sometimes you get upgrades 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a snake, on T:6886 00:30 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 6300 points, T:5096, killed by a white unicorn 00:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:992 00:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law), 12884 points, T:6951, turned to slime by a green slime 00:32 Hi reba 00:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] hearsegirl (Mon Swn Fem Cha), 274 points, T:621, killed by a gas spore's explosion 00:33 thank goodness for ttyrecs. 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Thidwick's ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:7518 00:35 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 00:39 <@microlance> finding a mattock of fire on a dwarf just when i was entering to pick up armor on my convict felt real nice 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 8236 points, T:8078, killed by a Green-elf, while sleeping 00:39 <@microlance> im sad that its not mithril or crystal tho 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:40070 00:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Medica ossium, on T:40085 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 182 points, T:136, killed by a gnome 00:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:52 -!- callforjudgement has joined #hardfought 00:52 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 924 points, T:1667, poisoned by a gray fungus, while disrobing 00:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v callforjudgement] by ChanServ 00:53 -!- ais523 has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:2254 00:59 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 298 points, T:469, killed by a sharpened bamboo stick 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Aborigine, on T:3180 01:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 466 points, T:1846, killed by an arrow 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3495 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3546 01:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Dwa Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:6398 01:10 -!- callforjudgement has quit [Quit: quit] 01:11 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1025 points, T:717, killed by a large mimic 01:11 Neko-chan: hey hi hello 01:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 19772 points, T:6893, killed by a watch captain 01:14 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:15 <@microlance> that captain must have had a well enchanted long sword thats for sure 01:16 Probably 01:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 990 points, T:2358, killed by a killer bee 01:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 18891 points, T:3254, killed by a blast of frost 01:27 goddamnit gehennom 01:27 if you're gonna spawn L on demon lord floors at least put them near the upstair 01:27 they always aggro the lord when I'm like halfway through the damn map 01:28 hi 01:28 Hello Neko-chan, Welcome to #hardfought 01:28 hey Beholder 01:30 hai Neko-chan 01:30 * aoei waves 01:30 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 01:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed jww's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:4984 01:36 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 01:37 NekoGhostSlayer 01:37 <@p0werm0de> can i also pull current alive char's dump via the bot here 01:38 maybe? 01:38 idk 01:38 ...oh wow that's Vlad's tower right after Baalzebub's place 01:38 there aren't alive dumps; do a screenshot 01:39 <@p0werm0de> ok 01:39 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/789381291002822666/unknown.png 01:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2075 01:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) averted death (choked on a titanothere corpse), on T:87114 01:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) averted death (choked on a gelatinous cube corpse), on T:87370 02:00 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2481 points, T:2629, zombified by a gnome zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 02:03 how did you choke twice in such quick succession 02:04 LOL Vlad's stairs were in Orcus town 02:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:88301 02:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law), 9669 points, T:7775, killed by a bolt of cold 02:14 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: rcirc on GNU Emacs 26.1] 02:18 [hdf-us] [evil] BoisterousSloth (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Demogorgon, on T:101977 02:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:24 <@luxidream> @p0werm0de don’t throw plz 02:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 triple-headed flail of shock", on T:4225 02:32 nice wish! 02:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 15244 points, T:5247, killed by a sewer rat 02:39 <@microlance> it was nice, until i fainted down in rat kings lair 02:41 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:41 <@microlance> i think K2 might have nerfed some of tsurugis vs large dmg, making those flails overall better 02:43 <@microlance> tho i guess the choice to make them silver and the 16 dmg vs small makes them superior 02:44 <@microlance> the flails might also have 16 dmg vs small, but i dont know im not all too good at reading the code 02:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:40911 02:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:40921 02:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 02:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law) had a pair of cloth gloves entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:2921 02:56 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:58 hothraxxa: you almost make it sound as if the alignment of the altars is hidden if you are on them. it would have never occurred to me that people would rely on the priest to identify the right altar. looks like I'm more paranoid than some people :) 03:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law) had a mithril dagger entrusted to her by Tyr, on T:4350 03:02 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:02 microlance triple-headed flail 1d12 against small according to the evilhack wiki page, so tsurugi seems superior 03:06 sheesh, Vlad was actually troublesome 03:07 motherfucker tapped a level off me the second I stepped close 03:07 hit-and-runs like hell too 03:11 thankfully still fairly straightforward, even got a pet vamplord and a ring of PfSC out of the deal 03:11 (sike I had the ring unID'd whole time) 03:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:92218 03:25 <@microlance> but it says "+d4 small" which if compared to other weapons seems to mean the flail does 1d12(+d4)dmg 03:26 <@microlance> cool giant valk i have here, worst gifts ever from tyr. but a cleaver and a bit more disappointing werebane in the mines. 03:26 <@microlance> this will probably mean no arti wishes 😦 03:26 where do you see +d4? 03:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7025 03:28 <@microlance> underneath the stats in objects.c 03:29 <@microlance> oh my mistake 03:29 <@microlance> i went by memory when it came to dmg 03:30 ah ok 03:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] bezaban (Kni Hum Mal Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:3818 03:36 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:37 @luxidream I swore that almost happened in my current phone Tourist run 03:39 <@luxidream> ? 03:39 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 03:40 <@luxidream> what do you mean 03:40 you mentioned Juiblex flying and engulfing above water 03:40 in a recent edit 03:40 Yeah I even tested it in wizard mode to make sure I wasn't going insane 03:41 I think I'm OK to revert that because it's just not true 03:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:93887 03:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:45 krm26: disagree, I usually find evilhack's changes to be indigestible, like a ring of slow digestion :P 03:45 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Voyager, on T:94543 03:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] bezaban (Kni Hum Mal Law), 4309 points, T:5503, killed by a minotaur 03:58 polymorphing that fire ant sure backfired 04:03 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:03 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 04:03 Go team H...? 04:08 <@microlance> its raining artifacts in the mines now and two were orcrist and werebane. RIP the muramasa 04:09 lol I misread that as "there were two orcrist" :D artifact multi-generation when? 04:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:7819 04:10 Amy: you have a variant, follow ur dreams 04:10 lol :P slex already has that, a couple days ago I found two Lackware artifact orcish bows on Grund's stronghold 04:10 can you get two excaliburs? 04:11 yes, but only randomly generated; if any excalibur has already been generated, the fountain method stops working 04:11 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:11 you throw 3 Stings! 04:12 haha :D slex has artifact arrows, darts etc. and they obviously generate in stacks 04:12 do you have the stand arrow in slex? 04:13 the what? is that from jojo bizarroland? I'm unfortunately not really familiar with that 04:13 you have a stand user role that recovers the red stone of aja for the quest 04:13 I'm sure you're at least *somewhat* familiar 04:14 yeah, because I stole that role from some obscure japanese variant, not because I have any knowledge about jojo ;) 04:14 well that explains why it is so bad I guess 04:14 what japanese variant? 04:15 i know jnethack had a magical girl role 04:15 but that's the only one I'm aware of 04:17 either silly jnethack or Funny-Honey-Spit 04:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class c), on T:1775 04:20 hm it's not in FHS 04:20 I'll have to look at this more later 04:21 the weird part about FHS is that at some point it updated its versions and seemingly removed most of its stuff, including what they stole from slex, or maybe I'm just confused by the japanese page's unreadability :P 04:21 I can't get into jojo at all 04:21 they should make a github like a proper developer :P :P 04:22 in any case, I'll resume my astronaut run now, about to leave the space base... wish me luck! 04:23 I read/watched it so I could understand the jokes 04:23 now I have become the enemy 04:23 I watched up to the pillarmen or whatever they were called 04:24 at least no one can say you skipped any parts :D 04:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3926 04:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law), 28652 points, T:9112, killed by an elven sergeant 04:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3944 04:28 <@microlance> that felt like a real unique but bs death. some monster reads a cursed or zaps cursed create monster. the room im in is small so im instantly surrounded, one of the summons are a nymph which stuns me almost to death. i survived but she stole all my artifacts 04:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) was given the Grandmaster's Robe, on T:14831 04:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 4054 points, T:4038, killed by a Green-elf 04:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had a trident entrusted to her by Anu, on T:1525 04:31 [hdf-eu] [slex] Ulf (AmyBSOD) (Ast Hrl Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:12854 04:31 omg didn't think that was going to work 04:32 for lack of other methods to blind myself, I applied a cream pie and then hacked her up 04:32 don't you have reflection? 04:32 wasn't wearing the jumpsuit at the time and taking off my other armor would have taken too long, since I came to her lair from the bottom but she was on the stairs 04:33 anyway TROPHY GET and my general combat skill cap was increased from master to grand master :D 04:34 gratz 04:34 gonna storm the castle or head back up 04:34 ? 04:34 thanks! but now I made the boneheaded move of smashing Perseus' statue... without checking my pick-axe and now it's welded to my hand :/ 04:34 well I'll try to go up for now 04:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3549 04:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Cav Dwa Fem Law) stole 526 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Vergt's antique weapons outlet, on T:2506 04:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:3616 04:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ninja, on T:3082 04:40 which race(s) are you playing as? 04:41 herald; they start with lower skill caps than usual, but may receive an increase to the cap of a random skill whenever they score a trophy 04:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:96293 04:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4294 04:42 Ouch! Your pick-axe bounces and hits you! 04:42 ...is that the effect when trying to pick-axe a statue while fumbling? 04:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4567 04:46 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 04:46 monks really got done dirty in slex compared to slash'em 04:46 ? 04:47 the intrinsics from level up are half as meaningful and no twoweapon skill 04:47 so weaker offensively and defensively 04:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3508 04:47 huh? the intrinsics should be the same, and I'm pretty sure they don't have twoweaponing in slashem either 04:48 don't need it in slashem, it just rips through everything 04:48 they do have twoweaponing if human 04:48 just no skill in it I guess? idk 04:49 ah, well in that regard they're enhanced in slex compared to slashem, because in slashem you simply cannot #twoweapon if you lack the skill, in slex you can (no guarantee that it's effective though :P ) 04:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 880 points, T:467, killed by a giant ant 04:52 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:52 but you can twoweapon in slashem as a human monk I mean and it's epic 04:52 wait, I need to test that 04:52 -!- luxidream has quit [Quit: Leaving] 04:53 it's like the best thing ever 04:53 wtf apparently you can 04:53 well in slex you still can, I guess the -20 to-hit penalty makes it less effective though :P 04:53 monks got done dirty :P 04:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 04:54 -!- stenno has quit [Client Quit] 04:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Cav Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4709 04:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 4634 points, T:4743, quit 04:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3740 points, T:3954, killed by a wolf 05:06 polearms ♥ 05:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 833 points, T:2372, killed by a giant ant 05:21 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 05:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 silver elven broadsword of shock", on T:41309 05:24 interesting wish there mobi 05:24 are you twoweaponing it with stormy or something? 05:31 heh 05:31 no, this is an emergency wish really 05:32 some people have like emergency medkits or an emergency tenner 05:32 I am getting clobbered by asmodeus because stormy and frost brand are not effective 05:32 you have an emergency blessed +2 silver elven broadsword of shock :^) 05:32 I do now! 05:33 bloody asmodeus had cold res 05:33 huh I'd have thought stormy would have been enough 05:33 are they megabuffed then? 05:33 Oh just assumed stormy doesn't do the draining against demons? 05:34 it doesn't but it's still a decent enough weapon at +7 that I assumed it would be fine? 05:34 no :-) 05:35 heh 05:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:99979 05:35 he was throwing "severe wounds" spells at me, I need to able to kill him fast. I was nearly dead. 05:36 yikes 05:37 good thinking then 05:37 I wonder if it's better than frostbrand anyway 05:38 frostbrand is great most of the time, but now I have a very nice alternative weapon 05:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Bau (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1919 05:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Bau (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3840 points, T:2057, killed by a serpent-necked lioness 05:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) destroyed tsingi's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:10136 05:54 What do you want to put on? [CIY or ?*] 05:54 It constricts your throat! 05:54 Y - an o-uncursed amulet of strangulation (being worn) {0}. 05:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:1583 05:58 what's o-uncursed? never seen that before 05:59 well I always play with the materialglyph option on, so that I see which material an item is made of; this particular one is made of compost (an organic material exclusive to slex) 05:59 This fake news tengu corpse tastes terrible! 05:59 You finish eating the fake news tengu corpse. Wow, a corona antidote! 06:00 Your mana was recovered by 13. 06:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:10491 06:00 heh, I'd have liked teleportitis or tele control more, but well, better than nothing 06:01 YEAH! saddle get! 06:01 took long enough to finally find one 06:03 <@Joanna> Antidotes cure poison 06:03 <@Joanna> Corona antidote makes no sense 06:03 huh there's a stroking-joanna, where did she come from? <3 06:04 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/789447919287664670/unknown.png 06:04 <@Joanna> Idk? Discord? The land of sleep? 06:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:18218 06:05 hmm do I use the scroll of greater enchant weapon on my conundrum poleaxe? 06:07 <@p0werm0de> greater is that something special or do you mean blessed 06:07 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 836 points, T:1350, poisoned by a rotted newt corpse 06:08 it's a scroll of enchant weapon that always acts as if it was blessed 06:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:11 <@p0werm0de> get sum gud weapon imo 06:11 <@p0werm0de> while im a newb at this game but 1hander artifact > all no 06:12 heh, I'd love an artifact polearm ♥ 06:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Scorpius, on T:18504 06:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:41419 06:14 <@p0werm0de> do i get conduct shown somewhere if i never use genocide or do i have to use RC file pre game 06:15 should be possible to use #conduct to see which conducts you've followed 06:15 <@p0werm0de> aye thx 06:15 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/789450805605957643/unknown.png 06:15 wow that's a lot of wishes 06:16 is it? 7 from the wand of wishing 06:16 <@p0werm0de> 6 from wand 06:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:508 06:16 maybe I just got too used to slex, where wishes are an extremely rare commodity 06:16 <@p0werm0de> from castle 06:16 <@p0werm0de> recharged with tourist card 06:17 in slex I've only ever had 1 wish 06:17 and it amusingly said 'lol you can't have what u wished for, giving random artifact instead' 06:17 then gave me what I wished for 06:17 <@p0werm0de> i play 3.7 vanilla webtiles 06:18 <@p0werm0de> first time i got so far now 06:18 there are only two players to date who ever found a randomly generated wand of wishing in slex, they're that rare 06:18 amateurhour: oh I think I remember, what was the artifact again? magicbane? 06:18 <@p0werm0de> also interested in slash'em vanilla 06:18 nice one p0werm0de 06:18 it was gauntlets of def Amy 06:18 as a monk I guess? 06:18 yeah 06:19 yep that makes sense, if the game gives you a random artifact it still has increased chances of that "random" artifact being your role's sac gift 06:20 slash'em is fun p0werm0de, I've only done a human monk for it though 06:20 <@p0werm0de> i would like doppelganger wizard prob 06:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed elenmirie the orc mummy, and former Bandit, on T:1412 06:22 extra boulders and rolling boulder traps on the final soko floor, yay. 06:22 blame the creator of slex 06:22 yeah, whoever created that garbage has earned herself a whole lot of negative karma right there! :P 06:22 it's pure hell as a sokosolver when that happens 06:23 might as well just set sokosolver's luck to -13 06:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Ran Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3046 06:24 Click! You trigger a rolling boulder trap! 06:24 You are almost hit by a boulder. The boulder plugs a hole. 06:24 man the things are everywhere 06:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:2987 06:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Ran Elf Mal Cha) destroyed joes' ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:3373 06:30 solved the level :D enlightenment says "You are unlucky"; had to break one boulder, 9 boulders left over 06:31 [hdf-eu] [slex] Ulf (AmyBSOD) (Ast Hrl Mal Neu) obtained the Sokoban prize, on T:18955 06:31 body armor skill up get! TROPHY GET! 06:31 have you ever played sokosolver? can't remember 06:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 584 points, T:1064, killed by an invisible bugbear 06:32 yeah, been a while, it's fun though and you get lots of wands and rings ;) 06:34 which you can't identify :P 06:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) anointed by Latona, on T:19521 06:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ninja, on T:3068 06:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3915 06:43 rofl. last night I was running my fully automated first-room WoW finding script on NAO 06:43 at some point I noticed WISH on my notifications bar 06:43 but this was after i'd been on a video call with a friend and also lost power to my laptop bc forgot to bring power cord when moving it 06:44 no terminal session open. blah. i suspected i already know what happens if you hang up the game on a wish prompt 06:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2343 06:44 first wish was spent on a worthless piece of black glass 06:45 luckily it was still 0:1 after that when I id'd it lol 06:45 so I could wish for charging 06:46 did the worthless piece of black glass save your life when a black unicorn tried to kill you? then it would have a well-spent wish ;) 06:46 don't be ridiculous lmao 06:46 worst wish ever holy shit 06:46 <@luxidream> I’m tempted to use script 06:46 <@luxidream> Does it fall under tas if I do 06:46 ehhh im not sure it's grey area i suppose 06:47 i wondered about that myself for my resulting baller af minturn record which destroys all pride and honour bill ever claimed to have 06:47 <@luxidream> I don’t wanna compete with swagginzzz lol 06:47 <@luxidream> Guess I’ll do it the hard way 06:47 swagginzzz is a whole other level lmao 06:47 i think people can appreciate this 06:48 big diff between manually walking to a fountain followed by everything else TAS 06:48 <@luxidream> I think in dcss speedrunning you can’t even use macros 06:48 and scripting the invent and the first room and doing the rest manual lol 06:48 i am really impatient with manual scumming so i will probably rely on my lil crutch 06:48 and let other people be the judge 06:49 <@luxidream> Fair enough 06:49 <@luxidream> I think it’s pretty legit but I won’t do it personally 06:49 and if you wanna use my script feel free but i should warn you it is hacky as shit. ah ok fair 06:50 bill tried to get one version of my script working but couldnt lol 06:50 that was just inventory scumming tho not this auto engrave testing stuff 06:50 plus its kinda buggy, and occasionally has to be manipulated or restarted 06:50 still beats doing everything manual imo tho 06:51 <@luxidream> Obviously if you get a good run you have the skill to do that 06:51 for tourny tho looks like we might be agreed on no scripted scumming for next year tnnt 06:51 there are disadvantages to my laziness tho 06:51 <@luxidream> That’s good 06:51 scumming for digging wand and finding a shop WoW is a better start 06:52 <@luxidream> But you can also play explore mode just for a proof of concept I guess 06:52 and only checking first room wands means likely way more games scummed overall 06:52 <@luxidream> So I dunno 06:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] sonsie (Sam Hum Mal Law), 864 points, T:1043, killed by a rothe 06:52 i havent actually tried that yet lux but it may be a good idea for practice etc. 06:52 honestly would like to see a 'speedrunning mode' for tnnt where you just start with a wow 06:53 and make scumming illegal 06:53 when i first started gametime speedrunning in nh343 06:53 i splatted so many games right after castle 06:53 <@luxidream> lots of free ascensions would come from that 06:53 games that are both over 20k turns and 2h long don't even count for anything 06:53 because i either had too few resources despite scuccessful dive for the WoW 06:53 <@luxidream> that’s a hard no from me 06:53 where those limits are something insane 06:53 or i just had no idea what to do next 06:54 because i'd never played post castle with heavy use of polyself before 06:54 hard no even if the game just ends if either of those limits passed? 06:54 both* 06:54 amateurhour: 20k turns is too easy 06:54 by far 06:54 <@luxidream> Yes, it’s still too easy 06:54 yeah sure lower it to 10k or whatever 06:54 and lower it to 1h10 or something idk 06:54 2h is amusing to lux but maybe hard for others 06:54 but fair enough, scratch that 06:55 i would say they should be in an non-scoring category if this is to exist at all 06:55 <@luxidream> If you want something similar 06:55 or separately-scored somehow 06:55 <@luxidream> Have race events 06:55 <@luxidream> seeded ones 06:55 yeah, non-scoring - they'd just for the speedrun leaderboards 06:55 non-scoring and seperate leaderboard for with-wow 06:55 <@luxidream> currently there is only one race 06:55 people will still want a leaderboard for no-wow 06:55 <@luxidream> First ascension 06:56 hm yeah 06:56 yeah which is a snooze for you :P 06:56 another reason why it'd be cool to add 2nd/3rd place to that 06:56 as well as to other things 06:56 <@luxidream> I lost first ascension to iyark I think 06:56 <@luxidream> In June 06:56 cool, nice one iyark 06:56 they nearly got you this year I think 06:56 <@luxidream> Choked on a corpse in gehennom or something 06:56 rip 06:56 <@luxidream> Nah I got 1h40 this year 06:57 oh I thought they had nearly ascended when you did 06:57 <@luxidream> He was a good way into the game 06:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Ran Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:4605 06:57 hey Lux what's more interesting you reckon 06:57 sub-let's say 3k- where first room WoW provided by mini-TAS 06:58 or sub-let's say 3k- where someone finds 4 gehennom bones or some shit 06:58 <@luxidream> You probably wasted a lot of time getting down to the hell bones in the first place 06:59 i think Billda got some gehennom bones in that record 366 run lol 06:59 not 4 bones piles hto 06:59 <@luxidream> yeah he did 06:59 and nobody has 3k turns yet 06:59 or sub 3k 06:59 <@luxidream> But I don’t like bones 06:59 yea me neither 07:00 <@luxidream> Even with a wow finding good stuff helps 07:00 thats why i put the question 07:00 wait till you find out there's hundreds of them in your body right now 07:00 <@luxidream> with bones you have everything 07:00 lmao amateurhour 07:00 fake news 07:00 <@luxidream> 💀 07:00 I found god-tier bones in slash'em once 07:01 it was a full monk asc kit, like 40 of every good potion 07:01 * aoei thinks autoscumming for first-room WoW >>> bones 07:01 a wand of wishing, literally anything you can think of as being great was in it 07:01 I still wonder if I'd stumbled across a purposeful bones-stuffing 07:01 that's not an ascension kit 07:01 that's like 07:02 <@luxidream> just be straightforward with what tools you use to ascend imo 07:02 yeah it sounds like a well-farmed stuffed bones lol 07:02 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 654 points, T:2058, killed by a jackal 07:02 yea lux, that's important 07:02 but they'd died with the amulet 07:02 amateurhour: oh 07:02 F 07:02 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:02 sounds like they'd been really overprepared too 07:02 I then splatted to vecna so lost it all :^) 07:02 but then this is slash'em so idk 07:03 <@luxidream> slashem is pretty broken 07:03 <@luxidream> they probably didn’t even need the wow 07:04 <@luxidream> remove gypsies they are both broken and racist :c 07:04 im also still not totally sure 07:04 luxidream: :c 07:04 like i dont see scripting some wowscumming as a big deal 07:04 but there are definitely people who will see a successful run way differently 07:04 than if i just did it manually 07:04 <@luxidream> The only thing I’m not sure about is that it tests the wand 07:04 yea 07:05 less likely to be a problem with just auto-rerolling chars 07:05 <@luxidream> I think people are generally okay with it scumming for floor wand or starting inventory even though that’s also a gray area imo 07:05 but where do you draw the line, is looking at invent and whether or not wand prestent in room already crossing some line? 07:06 atm I kinda mix my approaches, i'll do some manually then get sick of that and turn on the script 07:07 so i could continue with this and just make the conditions clear if i get a successful run 07:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3480 07:08 wand checking script also has that whole problem i just ran into of potentially wasting a wish if im not paying enough attention lol 07:08 <@luxidream> It matters more in real-time because the script plays faster than a human 07:08 aye 07:08 except my script deliberately isn't 07:09 <@luxidream> arguably you derived no turn advantage from autoscumming for the wand 07:09 i put in various 200ms sleeps between I/O steps 07:09 <@luxidream> Why though 07:09 mainly to avoid issues with lag 07:09 and on hdf during tnnt if I scummed more than 1 game per second dgl kicked me out 07:09 because of the way it names ttyrec files 07:10 <@luxidream> I do feel like if I ran bothacj for 10 turns during my speedrun 07:10 <@luxidream> It would invalidate the whole thing 07:10 yeah I agree it's way more problematic there for realtime shiit 07:12 for full transparency if i get a record run where a script was use for the scumming part i should probably post the source too 07:12 did swagginzzz actually post code? 07:12 i didn't see it on the blog post but maybe i just missed the link somewhere 07:14 <@luxidream> I don’t think so 07:14 that's lame 07:14 idk why but i feel like if you're gonna do a wr speedrun TAS 07:14 you oughtta post the code 07:15 maybe it was a wr cheatrun :D 07:15 i mean the article was still really cool and described how they did it fairly clearly 07:15 (just kidding) 07:15 butttt 07:16 would be nice to see code 07:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Val Gia Fem Law), 1110 points, T:2337, killed by a giant mimic 07:17 like, it was described with enough detail that a good programmer (or maybe even me- with enough time and determination) could replicate it 07:18 <@luxidream> actually now that I think about it, I think scripting in general would constitute an unfair advantage 07:18 all the new versions fix the RNG abuse loopholes tho anyway right 07:18 <@luxidream> you could run a startscumming script for an item combination that a player would never get in their lifetime of playing 07:19 <@luxidream> and then do a speedrun with that 07:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Hea Dwa Fem Neu), 64 points, T:172, killed by a carnivorous bag 07:19 hm. even with rate limits i suppose that's true since your script can in principle run without sleep and at all times for weeks if necessary 07:19 it can be configured to reseed periodically from urandom etc I think, not sure if NAO has been 07:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1120 points, T:2508, killed by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 07:20 <@luxidream> should be its own separate category then 07:20 ehhhh yeah i still dont know lux lol, feeling less comfy about it now tho 07:21 <@luxidream> but still an achievement nonetheless 07:21 yes, at the very least recognise it as separate category 07:21 nethack on speedrun.com when 07:21 what is that? :o 07:22 website for speedrun submissions 07:22 :o 07:22 some games have their own sites which may be more popular than that 07:22 i remember ais523 (ais253? ais325?) was quite big into nethack TAS at one point 07:23 but i guess SWAGGINZZZ was somebody else and crushed their dreams 07:23 <@luxidream> swagginzzz wasn't minturn 07:23 http://nethack4.org/pastebin/2015-turn-plan.txt 07:24 <@luxidream> their only goal was "beat nao fastest realtime and gametime" 07:24 <@luxidream> which is trivial for TAS 07:24 i thought SWAGGINZZZ has the record for both? 07:24 not just on NAO 07:24 but in general 07:24 <@luxidream> that's what they said on their blog post iirc 07:24 so they still beat ais523 for minturn TAS anyway 07:24 <@luxidream> but obviously it's faster than any other game on record 07:24 lol 07:25 <@luxidream> well ais523 never finished his tas 07:25 ah okay 07:25 <@luxidream> the plan is 2015 turns 07:25 <@luxidream> that amateurhour linked above 07:25 ahhh 07:25 o i totally missed that lmao 07:25 * aoei clicc 07:25 <@luxidream> the one that's submitted to tasvideos is a joke 07:25 <@luxidream> i think dwangoac played out the end of it by hand 07:25 lol 07:25 interesting 07:26 do you know if they're updating plans/strats for 3.6.6 or this is still a plan for 343 minturn TAS? 07:26 <@luxidream> they have to play 343 to overflow hp like that 07:26 ic, not read the thing yet 07:27 tas on the servers is probably impossible now because of the reseeding every few 100 turns 07:27 yeah indeed 07:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 1519 points, T:1736, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a potion 07:28 i thought impossible with anything other than 343 in general tho but im not sure how it all works 07:28 i thought that loophole is fixed generally after 343, but patched on some servers for 343 07:28 i could be wrong tho 07:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 58 points, T:201, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 07:30 which is not to say you can't still TAS, but without SWAGGINZZZ-style on-demand wishing and "telepathy on steroids" any TAS attempt needs to be a really good AI 07:31 <@luxidream> oh, one that just bashes its head against the wall until it makes it? 07:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5345 07:31 lmao lux 07:31 yeah idk if anyone is remotely that good at game AI yet 07:31 <@luxidream> that's kind of the bothack approach lol 07:31 so maybe TAS is essentially out of ht equestion now 07:31 lol 07:31 what was that other bot 07:31 that used to be around on NAO and stuff, stenno was talking about it 07:32 <@luxidream> xaiph 07:32 ah yea 07:32 <@luxidream> I don't know much about it 07:32 i think that one was possibly a bit better 07:32 than this bothack 07:32 <@luxidream> except the qdb quote where it puts on strangulation from its own bones 07:32 <@luxidream> then dies again 07:32 hahahahaa 07:32 amazing 07:32 IIRC it played mostly valk and got surprisingly far sometimes 07:32 then died in amusing ways 07:33 <@luxidream> bothack was the only one to ascend though I think 07:33 people hated the bones it left 07:33 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 07:33 :o 07:33 bashes head against wall succeeded in the end? 07:33 why dont i just do that 07:33 <@luxidream> yeah it pudding farms 07:33 ah 07:33 nvm dont want to pudding farm 07:33 i think i tried it a little once back in the 343 days but its just boring as shit 07:33 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:34 i dont think i used it for my first asc either 07:34 dont remember for sure tho 07:35 yo lux what should I try to RT speedrun next 07:35 I did orc wiz in over 8h so im not sure that even counts 07:35 orc barb i died with the amulet 07:35 neu hum valk was 4h 45min 07:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:21918 07:36 which is now my 370 record i guess 07:36 <@luxidream> ranger 07:36 why do ppl keep saying ranger lol 07:36 is it actually good for RT run? 07:36 <@luxidream> not particularly good but not that bad either 07:36 i feel like it will be annoying with pickupin up the arrows n shit 07:36 hm 07:36 i do quite like rangers tbf 07:37 its fun gameplaywise, tho i probably should not ascend using +6 arrows for the lategame 07:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:41549 07:37 probably wanna switch to Stormy at some point 07:37 my last one (also 370) I ascended wiht just hte longbow of diana and some +6 elven arrows 07:37 morning 07:37 no melee weapon lol 07:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Ran Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:7040 07:38 i dont think that will work well for RT tho 07:38 <@luxidream> morning K2 07:38 do you normally go for Stormy Lux? 07:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:7069 07:38 <@luxidream> yeah ideally you need a beatstick 07:38 <@luxidream> stormy is the best one 07:38 -4 this morning 07:38 right 07:38 NEGATIVE - FOUR 07:38 :P 07:38 <@luxidream> brrr 07:39 like I find rangers fun to play late/endgame just with the enchanted arrows 07:39 saiph was the best bot before bothack 07:39 cuz you can do pretty crazy damage per turn 07:39 it finished the quest once 07:39 it's not so good for smashing keys 07:39 <@luxidream> how did it die after quest 07:39 which was much better than any taeb 07:39 <@luxidream> lol 07:39 thus the beatstick i guess 07:39 hey stenno 07:39 probably ran into a wall and fainted from lack of food or so, idk 07:39 rofl 07:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 blue dragon scale mail", on T:12 07:40 amazing how bot can beat the quest then die to some dumb shit like that 07:40 think it was xaiph? 07:40 lets see 07:40 oh wait humans *totatally* can too 07:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:45378 07:40 <@luxidream> humans can wear life saving 07:40 haha 07:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided disenchanters, on T:45381 07:41 5) 1,Bel,20110812,dissolved in molten lava,xaiph; 07:41 stenno: lmao, did you see in backscroll about my first room WoW game 07:41 no 07:41 <@luxidream> probably took a swan dive after getting the orb 07:41 i used my script to automatically E-test the wands 07:41 but didn't notice the "WISH" in my notificiations bar for ages and lost power to my laptop while distractedf 07:42 so the game hung up at wish prompt 07:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +3 cloak of protection", on T:45526 07:42 when i restored it i got a black gem 07:42 as the random wish 07:42 nice 07:42 >.< 07:42 was it a worthy gem? 07:42 at least it was 0:1 after that lol 07:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Oona, on T:22215 07:42 nope i think i id'd it later 07:42 black glass lmao 07:42 damn 07:42 i would have been so annoyed if that'd been a 0:1 wand to begin with 07:43 didn't start with charging or anything 07:43 annoying waste of a wish tho still 07:43 could be worse 07:43 yeah 07:44 then we got into this whole discussion on how to categorise games that use scripts to scum or even check first room wands 07:44 categorize? 07:44 concluding that it obviously isn't as powerful as full-TAS but should be considered a separate category somehow 07:44 oh well 07:44 compared to like manually scumming only 07:44 can't really differ there 07:45 so you'd have to rely on the fairness of the players 07:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +3 T-shirt", on T:45656 07:45 hm? not sure what you mean 07:45 well a person can startscum and say they didn't auto-script startscum 07:45 hard to prove otherwise 07:45 ahhhh 07:46 right 07:46 yea you have a point 07:46 tho i like to think most players are honest 07:46 <@luxidream> at a certain level of scumming I think it's impossible to say that a script wasn't involved 07:46 and i would be upfront about it if i use a script for something 07:46 right, also true what lux says 07:46 well billdacat scummend manually and he scummed more than aoei 07:46 stenno: not by the end of the tournament lol 07:47 but he did manage a lot and my script wasn't crazy fast compared to what a human can do 07:47 but for example if you run a script continuously without pause for a week 07:47 no human can scum like that lol 07:48 tjr or whoever it was with the crazy junethack scumming may have done something like that 07:48 whichever year it was idk 07:48 one of the servers actually broke lmao 07:49 they were trying to scum for a very particular start for 12-conducts i think? 07:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) stole 6377 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Enniscorthy's second-hand bookstore, on T:1389 07:49 could be 07:49 i think was tjr 07:50 not seen them around in years 07:50 nht has also been quiet 07:50 maud long-retired by now 07:50 almost feels like me and bill are the only people doing minturns :( 07:51 tjr was around with another nickname on NAO a few weeks ago 07:51 think during tnnt 07:51 at last lux made a go of it in tnnt, that sub-10k run was nice 07:51 and still realtime faster than any of my runs ever lmao 07:52 stenno: huh, what nick do they use now? 07:52 don't remember 07:52 oh ok 07:52 fair 07:52 if they're still alive they could try for some minturn stuff on 366/370 then 07:52 maybe nht will make an appearance one year who knows 07:53 i looked back at old devnull records and some years the lowest turns are >15k or still >10k at best 07:53 and then there are years where maud or nht are playing lol 07:53 <@luxidream> need to ban swapchest so you can't farm for 50 gain level on an alt 07:53 <@luxidream> for tnnt that is 07:53 hmm yeah that's kinda fucked 07:54 stacking should be capped at least 07:54 unless it's like arrows idk 07:54 <@luxidream> Tone and I have wanted a vanilla mode for tnnt for a while 07:54 but then we'd miss out on something epic 07:54 <@luxidream> so that achievements in tnnt can also count outside it 07:55 i mean, swapchestless is still a conduct which categorises things separately so you know who has or has not the advantage of swapchest shenanigans 07:55 i think alts are also against the rules anyway lux? not 100% sure, and you could of course cheat 07:55 but i think you should only be getting clan help for swap chest 07:55 <@luxidream> you can still donate items for ids 07:55 or random donations 07:55 <@luxidream> that doesn't break swapchestless 07:55 huh, you id stuff when you putit in there? 07:55 ah berause you can then look 07:55 gotcha 07:56 <@luxidream> also the stairs on the rogue level are indistinguishable 07:56 yea idk 07:56 that annoys me too 07:56 <@luxidream> so that has a nonzero gameplay effect 07:56 can you make a list of these on etherpad 07:56 <@luxidream> sure 07:56 or do i have to copypaste irc text 07:56 ok nice 07:56 :D 07:56 you're already in #tnnt-dev right? 07:56 or did you get kicked out again this year 07:56 <@luxidream> i'm still in there 07:57 ok nice lol 07:57 * aoei wonders if some people feel threatened by lux's mad nh skills rofl 07:58 tbf i also made those dumb jokes about lux is some sort of machine/AI and i feel kinda bad now i got to nkow you a bit 07:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 1640 points, T:2266, killed by invisible Ms. Enniscorthy; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 07:58 <@luxidream> 🤖 07:58 Tariru still definitely not human tho <.< 07:59 <@luxidream> yeah he hardly talked 07:59 <@luxidream> even when he was here 08:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] joes (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 6332 points, T:7918, killed by a white unicorn 08:00 <@luxidream> except to badger amy and the bot about spoilers to win slex 08:00 lol 08:00 makes sense 08:00 <@luxidream> what do you want me to add? 08:00 <@luxidream> proposal for vanilla mode or...? 08:01 yeah add that 08:01 too 08:01 but i meant like the swapchest issues 08:01 Tariru didn't need me for spoilers, he used the source :P 08:01 lol yea i also figured he'd source dived a lot to be able to streak so much 08:01 if you're really patient, play slow, and know your odds of death on a given turn, you can probably streak like that too 08:01 <@luxidream> I want a vanilla mode because in a way it also keeps you honest about visiting devteam etc 08:02 <@luxidream> there's no way of knowing that unless you actually check ttyrecs 08:02 still not quite sure what you mean --- ahhhhh now i get it 08:02 <@luxidream> and presumably there will be longer branches to explore in future tournaments 08:02 at first i almost thought what you wanted amounted to just 08:02 tnnt playable not in november 08:02 but i getchu now 08:02 I hope there will be, but there's people saying 'nooo what about balancing it closer to vanilla' 08:03 <@luxidream> right, if you got rings or scrolls from devteam you can't claim that it's a vanilla speedrun 08:03 we're still not sure how much extra content we weant to add right? 08:03 but enough people voted more content 08:03 so i expect we will be adding stuff 08:03 <@luxidream> I'd like to see a devnull type challenge that is difficult with no in-game rewards, and totally optional 08:04 lux: true, altho isn't it just 3 scrolls for blanking? or am I missing something lol 08:04 you're tlaking about the grue thing 08:04 the logical thing to do if everyone wanted vanilla's balance is to just make vanilla the tnnt version 08:04 i'd like that too 08:04 amateurhour: no, i disagree 08:04 <@luxidream> amateurhour: it should be an option 08:04 i think it's nice having it as an optional conduct thing 08:04 vanilla as a conduct 08:04 but since you can't tell apart stairs it'd have to be a birth option 08:05 not based on decisions during game 08:05 <@luxidream> for example billda didn't give af about his turncount being good because it's tnnt and not vanilla 08:05 he just wanted a turncount that'll be enough for the trophy 08:06 <@luxidream> ideally, if you want to, your achievements should be able to matter outside of the tournament sense as well 08:06 if that means that we can get more content without people talking about preserving balance close to vanilla I'm happy for it 08:06 <@luxidream> then you can turn it back on for some fun lulzy games 08:06 if i managed to beat him early in the month he'd have tried again 08:06 if i'd managed to pull it off right at the end it'd have been my trophy 08:06 but alas 08:06 it wasn't to be 08:07 <@luxidream> from a little earlier: the devteam scrolls being blankable is a problem imo 08:07 <@luxidream> they should be destroyed 08:07 presumably if it was a birth option the scrolls would never be created 08:07 I agree actually 08:07 like i don't think 3 scrolls is a huge deal 08:07 but i do agree with yhou on principle 08:08 <@luxidream> amateurhour: I know some people are against vanilla birth option, so I'm not optimistic about it 08:08 why's that? 08:08 also despite rejecting spicycat's former suggestion that NHS should count tnnt games as a separate variant 08:08 birth option conducts are strange 08:08 i may be coming round to that idea 08:09 stenno: i can see that. part of the charm of conducts is the discipline and care to not choose to break or accidentally break the conduct 08:09 <@luxidream> I think the response we got last year was that it defeats the purpose of the tournament to not use the bonus content 08:09 birth option is more like a game mode 08:09 <@luxidream> but adding the option doesn't detract from the tournament overall 08:09 bleh 08:09 <@luxidream> in my opinion 08:09 yeah i agree with you lux 08:09 me too 08:10 for whatever that's worth 08:10 i consider birth option as gamemode too, not conduct 08:10 yeah like it's still cool and totally valid, challenging gameplay 08:10 i am fine playing a tourney without any bonus content, didn't do the bonus stuff in devnull either 08:10 but it's a different kind of thing 08:10 to some degree at least 08:10 <@luxidream> nudist, zen can be broken 08:10 <@luxidream> so not really a gamemode 08:11 true with nudist, how do you break zen tho? 08:11 cure blindness? 08:11 <@luxidream> eyes 08:11 ah 08:12 <@luxidream> obviously I would still use the bonus content, just turn it off if I were trying an impressive streak/speedrun/conduct run 08:13 exactly 08:13 i also ignored the bonus stuff for the most part when trying to minturn 08:13 so would also have liked that option 08:13 to have it cleaner and not get distracted by the extra stairs and so on 08:14 if you need to set it via options, its a gamemode 08:14 [hdf-au] [xnh] PeachMuffin (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1839 points, T:2165, killed by an owlbear 08:14 yeah i'd still say so stenno 08:14 but less a hard game mode if you can break it later on 08:14 nudist just stops you from starting wearing armour 08:14 zen is a bit more involved 08:14 well you can set pettype:none too and still tame a pet aftewards 08:15 right 08:15 that one i wouldn't consider game mode either lol 08:15 imagine if there was a menu on startup 08:15 would require one more thing to select i guess 08:15 <@luxidream> like...nh4? 08:15 sure, why not 08:15 lol man i hate nh4 08:15 i dont hate nh4 08:16 i just don't like the interface 08:16 idk what it is but i really dont like that one and its buddies 08:16 yes its mainly the interace that puts meoff too lol 08:16 <@luxidream> oh no 08:16 nh4 has some excellent ideas 08:16 ok i have to leave now 08:16 <@luxidream> it's interface is actually just better in every way though 08:16 nice chatting with you 08:16 lol 08:16 @luxidream It doesn't defeat the purpose of the tournament to not use the bonus content; the problem is that if we made "vanilla mode" people would want out of game incentives for playing a game in vanilla mode. once you have that and non-vanilla mode is a second class citizen, you do wind up with people ignoring the new content because it's worth less 08:16 might discuss more on discord lol 08:16 <@luxidream> then don't give them out of game incentives for vanilla mode 08:17 tnnt isnt doing a 'vanilla mode' 08:17 then why would anyone play it 08:17 <@luxidream> have bonus content on by default 08:17 thats ridiculous 08:17 lux and i both would choose that option 08:17 for certain games 08:17 if there are no incentives for a vanilla mode then why would anyone play it when you can get the same points by doing the game with a swapchest etc 08:17 K2: i would consider it akin to a conduct 08:18 <@luxidream> so that your 3.6.6 speedrun actually counts outside of the tournament 08:18 so your minturn run in vanilla-mode looks cooler than a minturn run with all the bells and whistles 08:18 <@luxidream> for instance 08:18 vanilla mode would equal 'dont do any of the extra side branches' - so just dont do them 08:18 so it's a NHS problem? 08:18 it is an NHS problem in a sense 08:18 and I might choose to score tnnt separately 08:18 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 08:18 NHS problem != TNNT problem 08:19 <@luxidream> that would be nice except the side branches are not exactly distinguishable at the moment 08:19 but people may care about how NHS scores it and that has consequences for TNNT 08:19 ... im gonna be late if i continue this discussino 08:19 I suppose you could have a conduct flag for "entered the devteam branch" but that's a real stretch 08:19 aosdict from a tnnt standpoint this is a non-issue 08:20 -!- joes has quit [Quit: leaving] 08:20 yeah we're certainly not going to implement a birth option that removes all the tnnt content lol 08:20 <@luxidream> I don't see what it takes away from the tournament if most players aren't going to use the option anyway 08:20 @luxidream, aoei if you want a 'vanilla' 3.6.6 speedrun, play vanilla 3.6.6 08:21 @luxidream, its a SMOP. i'm certainly not going to do the work for something so trivial 08:21 that's funny K2 that's the same argument I used to argue for much more new content 08:21 i agree with aosdict and K2 08:21 and IIRC both yourself and aosdict were like 'but muh vanilla balancing' 08:21 <@luxidream> wouldn't it just be as easy as hosting 3.6.6 08:21 amateurhour in terms of game mechanics, yes 08:22 also is it really a SMOP, there's only a handful of places to guard around 08:22 <@luxidream> and scoring it for the tournament 08:22 @luxidream, again that's ridiculous 08:23 <@luxidream> at some point TNNT becomes a variant tournament 08:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Hea Elf Fem Neu), 2070 points, T:5161, killed by a piranha 08:23 technically it already is 08:23 its as close to vanilla as any variant out there though 08:23 I think it is more reasonable to track whether any tnnt content was ever interacted with, than structure the game so that it surgically removes all tnnt content 08:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1958 points, T:2997, killed by a ghoul 08:23 K2: no nethack4 is 08:24 just delete all tnnt additions except achievements and call it a day 08:24 i have a blind spot for nh4 based variants hah 08:24 <@luxidream> well we already have a variant tournament 08:24 we do 08:25 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:25 @luxidream in devnull you could get extra items from the challenges and such too 08:26 <@luxidream> couldn't you decline the challenges in 0 turns? 08:26 no one was like "well this isn't vanilla now" 08:26 <@luxidream> or am I mistaken 08:26 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 08:27 some you could decline yeah 08:28 but tnnt != devnull 08:28 @luxidream if you feel this stroingly about it, you could host your own 3.6.6 vanilla speedrun tournament :) 08:28 *strongly 08:28 <@luxidream> cockatrice cup 08:28 <@luxidream> 🤔 08:28 do it 08:29 <@luxidream> would anyone actually play 08:29 3-4 ppl might 08:29 that i know of 08:29 <{Demo}> I'd watch and laugh like I do for tnnt 08:29 but hey... build it and they will come 08:29 make the tnnt content a conduct, instead of an option 08:29 <@luxidream> it already is a conduct 08:29 ah 08:29 <@luxidream> aoei and I just have issues with things like the blankable devteam scrolls, and the indistinguishable rogue level stairs 08:30 <@luxidream> that make it difficult to avoid entirely 08:30 oh my, the horror 08:30 i'd like to introduce you to a thing called 'self control' 08:30 <@luxidream> ok, tell me how to tell the difference between the two stairs on the rogue level 08:30 the rogue level stairs aren't a problem? you can nearlook them 08:31 use one, see where it takes you. oh look it went it must be stairs for 08:31 whichever one is the DOWNSTAIRS is the one you want 08:31 seriously, are we even having this discussion? lol 08:31 <@luxidream> usually you fall down there and can't really tell 08:31 next 08:32 c'mon, next... 08:32 what else ya got 08:32 <@luxidream> well I know you have ultimate veto power, so that's what I said I wasn't optimistic about this getting through 08:32 <@luxidream> I'm still going to pitch the idea though 08:32 i dont actually 08:33 i'm one member of a team, i get one vote 08:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 866 points, T:2202, killed by a rock mole 08:33 <@luxidream> well if that's the case, maybe there's something still worth discussing here then 08:33 <@luxidream> because there are people who agree with me too 08:33 maybe, but i'm personally not seeing it :) 08:33 <{Demo}> it's about purity 08:33 well K2, you haven't really been acting like one member of a team who gets one vote 08:34 <{Demo}> being able to prove from an xlog entry that the game was run without touching any of the non vanilla stuff 08:34 because i'm more vocal than others? 08:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Orc Mal Cha), 32 points, T:61, killed by a jackal 08:34 "no. let's move on" isn't a very democratic sentimanet 08:34 sentiment* 08:34 when have I ever 'vetoed' anything? 08:34 not sure how that happened 08:34 pls people 08:35 there's a fair amount of stuff in tnnt or things that didnt make it that i didnt agree with 08:35 but the majority of team wanted it, sooo... 08:35 (or didnt want it) 08:36 so tell me again where i have more than one vote please 08:37 so where we standing on the vanilla mode? 08:37 K2 and I are both against it 08:38 booo 08:38 K2: You'll be pleased to know that this EvilHack run I spent an entire WoW and had the Ring of P'hul evade my grasp each time 08:38 could you clarify why you're against it aosdict? 08:38 So I'll probably ascend again 08:38 <@luxidream> put it on the etherpad and see if anyone else has anything to say 08:38 krm26 lol 08:38 I may be open to tracking "interacted with tnnt stuff in any way" so sure maybe some other scoreboard can pick up on it as a "non tnnt game" but am not particularly compelled to do it 08:39 not interested in giving vanilla games any sort of in-tournament bonus 08:39 wouldn't it be a shame to dissuade competitive games like realtime and turncount in some way for the biggest tournament? 08:40 <@luxidream> I don't think a score bonus was part of the proposal, outside of whatever multipliers you would get for no swap chest, etc 08:40 and I think tracking the blankable devteam scrolls are overkill. that's one random paper golem worth of scrolls 08:40 krm26, you P'hul! 08:41 I'd argue if I could 08:41 :-) 08:41 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 08:42 <@luxidream> that does make a difference aosdict, a pretty significant one at times 08:42 <@luxidream> but I think I'd be hard pressed to convince you of that 08:42 <@luxidream> as a compromise, what if the scrolls were destroyed upon blanking 08:43 <@luxidream> it achieves the same effect without giving the player free scrolls 08:43 I also do not want to tie my hands with respect to future tournament content by adding this new constraint of "any new content has to be easily trackable as interacted with or not" 08:44 we were considering some more main-branch stuff which would be hard to quantif 08:44 y 08:46 so would be picking up a devteam scroll already break the new content flag thing 08:47 <@luxidream> i just feel like november is trying to have its cake and eat it too about being both a variant and a vanilla tournament 08:47 <@luxidream> the game continues to get easier with new additional content 08:48 <@luxidream> that's also part of the reason why people didn't mind devnull, they were mostly challenges 08:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible microlance's ghost, the former Prisoner, on T:2609 08:50 wont apologize for the main focus being 'fun' 08:51 <@luxidream> having the option doesn't force anyone to play vanilla 08:51 "Fun"? Honestly, no wonder I switched to DCSS, they hate fun 08:51 @luxidream if you want a challenge, i got somethin for ya 08:51 :D 08:51 <{Demo}> solution, add so much more content it can't even possibly be played in a vanilla style conduct 08:51 <@luxidream> have the november evilhack tournament and I'll consider it 08:52 I'd play in that 08:52 <@luxidream> right now tnnt is not evilhack though 08:52 * tinklebear definitely would 08:52 Oh EvilHack, you love me so -- dragonhide water walking boots for my CENTAUR 08:52 i've kicked around the idea of a spring tournament, featuring 3.6/3.7 based variants 08:53 dunno 08:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:10509 08:53 Tournament needs an award for the most whining so I can compete 08:53 amateurhour already won 08:54 i'm kinda being an asshole this morning, arent I? 08:54 bleh... sorry 08:55 amateur at nethack, professional at whinging 08:56 <{Demo}> watch out for the 'bruary brevishack bash! 08:56 oh hell yeah 08:56 <@luxidream> hell yea 08:56 <@luxidream> looking forward to may microhack too 08:56 Febroguary? 08:56 <{Demo}> and gnanuary gnollhack gnash 08:57 <@luxidream> did anyone get the money from that 08:57 <{Demo}> i dont know 08:57 me neither 08:57 <{Demo}> i didnt want their money anyways 08:57 i totally didnt follow that 08:57 <@luxidream> yeah I didn't that's why I'm asking 08:57 <@luxidream> guess no one else did either lol 08:57 SLEXtember 08:58 did someone say award for whining? 08:58 stenno yes but amateurhour already won 08:58 :P 08:58 ...wtf? 08:58 what is this BULLSHIT??? 08:58 lol 08:58 man i have so muhch bad luck 08:58 huh, award for whining? why don't I win that?! 08:58 you missed the months of campaigning for bobble hats for doggos stenno 08:58 here is a trophy that i can win but NO 08:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 23095 points, T:10823, killed by a winged gargoyle 08:58 ITS SO UNFAIR 08:58 m o n t h s 08:58 <@luxidream> I demand a whine recount 08:58 LarienTelrunya you're in a different category 08:59 you think you can just turn up and try a little moaning and win it? 08:59 Honestly, I've had dogs that prove there is nothing for zombies to eat there 08:59 <@p0werm0de> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/772457727221825536/789491835373879346/unknown.png am i done soon or is this just first taste 08:59 Guess I've had coworkers who prove that too tho 08:59 <@luxidream> @p0werm0de keep going 08:59 Fleecy February 08:59 <@p0werm0de> this takes ages 08:59 <@luxidream> use magic mapping 08:59 <@luxidream> you know those right 08:59 <@p0werm0de> i have no clue of all the stuff and refuse to genocide 08:59 <@luxidream> pick axe helps too 08:59 OMIGOD MY EYES THE TILES 09:00 <@p0werm0de> ye im diggin as mad 09:00 <{Demo}> why are you burdened 09:00 wait where is the character 09:00 <@p0werm0de> tiles are pure beauti 09:00 <{Demo}> don't be burdened 09:00 Where is the epilepsy warning 09:00 krm26: I was just thinking that 09:00 isn't the character in the tower alredy? 09:00 <@p0werm0de> ye i should level port first before doin this 09:00 <{Demo}> the character is in the center of the lit squares 09:00 so in the tower 09:00 <{Demo}> yes 09:00 so digging is of no nuse 09:01 use 09:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 83 points, T:119, killed by a goblin 09:01 the only game with beautiful tiles is elona :P (which I'm playing right now) 09:01 <@p0werm0de> also dcss ofc 09:01 <@p0werm0de> and tome 09:02 <@luxidream> td looks great 09:02 <@luxidream> not really tiles though 09:02 cogmind doesn't use tiles either and looks nice 09:02 <@luxidream> it does 09:02 <@luxidream> it has an ascii mode stenno 09:02 wait those are tiles? 09:02 i thought it was charset wizardry 09:03 <@luxidream> another victory for tiles clearly 09:03 <{Demo}> those are the normal tiles 09:03 <@luxidream> brb taking final 09:03 'tiles that are almost indistinguishable from charset wizardry' 09:03 good luck luxidream 09:04 man i miss the UTF8 options on NAO 09:04 that was so hilarious 09:05 gl on your final @luxidream 09:05 good luck luxidream 09:06 just speedrun it 09:06 probably not a good idea 09:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 359 points, T:1445, killed by a gnome king 09:08 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 09:09 I tried to speedrun real life but got stuck at the relationship part of the run! :D 09:09 answer 'C' for everything 09:09 ^ when in doubt 09:09 * Pinkbeast is not making a joke about TAS and Magic Wands whoops 09:09 Nothing beats rock 09:09 go for any% next time Amy, skip optional sidequests 09:10 hahaha 09:10 <{Demo}> luxi exam speedrunner 09:10 when I was a child, I actually was under the delusion that once you're married, you "made it", so to speak 09:10 On reflection I'd ideally like to anti-speedrun RL and take as long over it as possible 09:10 LarienTelrunya: well its a common conservative worldview 09:10 not surprising 09:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:4440 09:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4641 09:13 yeah I guess when you're little, you believe everything your parents tell you 09:14 not neccessarily the parents but also the society at large 09:14 by and large* 09:18 hah 09:18 my kid doesnt believe half the things i tell her 09:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 12903 points, T:5111, killed by a water elemental 09:19 'sweetie, dont do that you'll hurt yourself' 09:19 <@p0werm0de> kid smart 09:19 'daddy no i wont i'll be fine!' 09:19 <@p0werm0de> will do all by themselves 09:19 okie dokie... 09:19 she's 8 09:19 <@p0werm0de> and be better than yu age 15 09:19 well but she's the special fleece bundle girl ♥ 09:20 heh 09:20 in a way its good, i want to question things 09:20 it'll serve her well as she grows up 09:20 <{Demo}> yeah 09:20 i want her* 09:20 but right now its a pain in the arse 09:21 Grrr damn NPCs with level port 09:22 My daughter (10) believes everything I say. She just doesn't care 09:22 Her perpetual response: "Ok. So?" 09:23 Aquinas, Wittgenstein, and Hume have not prepared a response for me 09:25 krm26: "You will die if you don't " 09:27 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:27 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 09:27 * stenno recommens Søren Kierkegaard 09:28 hah 09:29 <@microlance> hmm, angelslayer summons balrogs i believe. is it a good idea for me to be using it as a lvl 2 knight? 09:29 no it doesnt summon balrogs 09:29 a balrog has a chance to spawn with it 09:29 (if it doesnt already exist) 09:29 <@microlance> ah 09:30 like how an archon can spawn with sunsword 09:30 <@microlance> i thought it was some kind of cool slow suicide weapon 09:31 <@microlance> found a nice weapon shop with both angelslayer and a scimitar of lightning on this knight. which allowed my pet to do the only thing they are good for 09:31 :) 09:32 does knight have trident skill? 09:32 aoei: catching up on your convo with lux last night. i think your best bet on clarity is to find a consensus *among speedrunners* 09:34 peanut galleries can say *anything*, and they don't have to justify it. but if the people who are competing for the biscuit come to an agreement, then bang, you have a set of community rules 09:34 Or possibly just a soggy biscuit 09:34 @p0werm0de could probably say more 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2440 09:35 <@the_eternal_paradox> do you guys have like hotkeys for useful things in inventory? 09:35 <{Demo}> im part of a peanuts gallery but without the t 09:35 <@the_eternal_paradox> I have a very bad case of this 09:36 <{Demo}> aka just a dick 09:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Mal Cha) stole 50179 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kinnegad's second-hand bookstore, on T:2065 09:36 I don't have hotkeys but I always #ad my inventory to the same spots 09:36 Compulsively, even when I'm going to die in a few rounds 09:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Mal Cha) murdered Kurre, his faithful lesser nightmare, on T:2124 09:38 <@the_eternal_paradox> haha I probably have OCD or something then 09:39 <@microlance> sad, i stepped on a teleport trap and then directly into water losing all my scrolls and my loyal beastie 09:40 <@the_eternal_paradox> oh my 09:40 Chased Dion the invisible Necromancer from the Valley of the Dead to level 12 09:40 Need anti-magic shell spell 09:44 spellbook of magic resistance? 09:46 <{Demo}> need cigars in nethack 09:46 No, way to interdict all spellcasting in a 3x3 or 4x4 area 09:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 2854 points, T:3032, killed by a gnome lady 09:46 Like a poison cloud but an anti-magic cloud 09:46 i guess i should just continue my crappy pacifist 09:47 think i can improve most when running the shitty ones 09:48 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 09:49 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:25898 09:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1841 points, T:2808, killed by Ms. Eauze; the shopkeeper 10:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:5249 10:10 does slex have cigars 10:10 amateurhour: uhh it has cigarettes, is that close enough? 10:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:5724 10:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:5724 10:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5879 10:11 is pepsi close enough to cola? 10:11 well its a brand of cola, isn't it? 10:12 okay I see... new item for the todo list :P 10:12 there u go Demo 10:13 amateurhour: close enough? isn't the full name literally Pepsi-Cola? 10:14 <@the_eternal_paradox> heeyyy Ludios doesn't exist in my game!! 10:14 <@the_eternal_paradox> that's not fair, I haven't raided it in such a long time 10:15 if you're in a restaurant and you ask for coke and they say 'is pepsi okay?' are you just like 'hey sure, it's got cola in the name' 10:16 if you go to a car dealership and ask for a car and they say 'is carpet okay?' are you just like 'hey sure, it's got car in the name' 10:16 wow you must really hate pepsi 10:16 lol amateurhour :P I'd take the pepsi in that situation 10:16 this post brought to u by today's sponsor, coca-cola 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Swashbuckler, on T:54361 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:54618 10:22 <@the_eternal_paradox> ugh fine I'll just storm the Castle then 10:24 Have fun storming the castle! 10:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1266 points, T:2843, killed by a fall onto poison spikes 10:25 <{Demo}> why would anyone drink coke or pepsi at a restaurant 10:25 The same reason you drink massively marked-up alcohol, because BOOZE ME ALREADY 10:26 But, and this is important, booze contains booze and coke doesn't 10:26 Coke can contain booze if you do it right 10:26 I think it is more accurate to say the booze has become sadly diluted 10:28 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 10:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:56058 10:38 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 10:43 in germany you can just order a 'cola' and you will get whatever brand they have 10:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:56830 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +3 speed boots", on T:56844 10:48 i know that an open 3.4.3 bug is that i can pull my leashed pet through closed doors 10:48 can i also pull my pet from behind a boulder (in, e.g., soko?) 10:49 what a fun commit name https://github.com/moon-chilled/slashem9/commit/bc0ede40ebff2999c4fa64f88e76cda99e41f499 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:56943 10:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed scroll of genocide", on T:29254 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:56981 10:57 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 10:59 fuck 10:59 rip my pet 10:59 on the last soko level 10:59 hmmm 10:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 601 points, T:1836, killed by a small mimic 10:59 Time to burn another wish to not get the Ring of P'hul 10:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:57431 10:59 I want serial failed wishing tracked 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided cockatrices, on T:57432 11:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) wished for "BlEsSeD GrEaSeD RiNg Of P'HuL", on T:55629 11:01 Omigod it worked -- thanks aggressive CaMeLcAsE! 11:01 my quits don't get announced 11:01 6 wishes for that ring is a fair deal 11:01 thats a good thing i guess/ 11:01 maybe i had less than 1000 points i guess 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) killed Pelias, on T:55636 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Heroine, on T:57595 11:03 <@the_eternal_paradox> wraith dancing :D 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Champion, on T:57661 11:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 311 points, T:1089, killed by an arrow 11:04 <@the_eternal_paradox> yee-ha 11:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 111 points, T:547, killed by a hobbit 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:57830 11:08 <@the_eternal_paradox> WTH A NALFESHNEE IN THE VALLEY JUST SUMMONED YEENOGHU 11:08 <@the_eternal_paradox> I'M NOT READY FOR THIS 11:08 <@the_eternal_paradox> okno it was a vrock BUT STILL 11:08 <@the_eternal_paradox> LAST TIME YEE STOLE THE AMULET, THIS TIME HE APPEARS IN THE VALLEY, AAAAAA 11:09 don't worry you got this! 11:10 <@the_eternal_paradox> thank goodness it wasn't Demogorgon or anybody like that ._. 11:10 <@the_eternal_paradox> now let's hope Yee doesn't summon anybody either 11:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:29619 11:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:55872 11:11 or hope that they do so you can have an epic tale of victory! 11:11 <@the_eternal_paradox> o_o 11:12 <@the_eternal_paradox> every time I always bribe Asmo and Baal and I plan to be nice to them this time too – 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Lady, on T:58133 11:13 <@the_eternal_paradox> but eyy I ate one more wraith corpse and I got level 30 :D 11:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1577 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:58215 11:15 <@the_eternal_paradox> y e s 11:16 nice one 11:16 Hope you like fighting Archons 11:17 <@the_eternal_paradox> I'll just chill in the Valley for now, thanks 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:35822 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:35822 11:19 didn't stenno and luxi figure out that the increased archon chance is rather minimal? can't remember 11:20 in 3.7 archonstorms aren't really a thing anyway 11:20 well this only consideres the difference between XL 14 and XL 16 11:20 if you are XL 16, and the vs level was the deepest possible depth, it makes a difference 11:21 oh right, I remembered wrong 11:21 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 11:22 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: boopboop boop] 11:23 Yay, had Pegasus for about 100 turns and a lurker above ate her 11:24 i have to do the actual table, its not thst much ework 11:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:56573 11:26 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 28 points, T:139, killed by a jackal 11:26 [hdf-us] [slex] tinklebear (Ast Dro Fem Cha), 4852 points, T:2942, killed by a bullet 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:36006 11:28 heh krm I have no idea how people manage to keep pegasus alive without levelporting or something 11:28 every time I'd gotten them they'd died to some frost monster on the way out 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:36021 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful purple worm, on T:36021 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:39194 11:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 2319317 points, T:36036, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/nethack/dumplog/1607975260.nh.html 11:34 gratz! 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] sonsie (Sam Hum Mal Law), 528 points, T:1146, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:36 moon-child: are you the person who's updating slash'em? 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 160 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:59672 11:40 Normally I would ride the pegasus, but centaur 11:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3946 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:59711 11:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:56577 11:44 I want to genocide bullwhips 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 55 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:60212 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an ice devil, on T:3738 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3745 11:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9229 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 1112 points, T:2145, killed by a wererat 11:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:31231 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Arbalester, on T:40168 11:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:50 i love creating more work for myself 11:50 heh 11:51 setup this new machine on a new VLAN, setup ACL's, wtf cant i ping it? oh right, i have to tag it on the switch between me and it. doh 11:51 thats 20 min wasted 11:51 :P 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4479 11:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:4531 11:57 U - a cream pie named 1 (wielded) 11:57 I want to genocide bullwhips <--- hahah 11:57 K - a cream pie named 2 (alternate weapon; not wielded) 11:57 Normally I would ride the pegasus, but centaur <---- so many things i could say here. inappropriate nsfw things 11:58 why have you split them out stenno? 11:58 you can wield a stack, it'll splat only 1 12:00 spicycebolla: yeah moon-child is working on a version of slash'em on the 3.6.x codebase. repo is here - https://github.com/moon-chilled/slashem9 12:00 hmm monster behind boulder 12:00 oooh github now has a dark mode 12:00 that means i cannot get my soko prize AGAIN 12:00 fuck man 12:00 thats so frustrating 12:01 so i guess i need to find exactly a pick axe 12:02 or a wand of tele 12:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:36564 12:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Hum Fem Law), 108353 points, T:36575, drowned in a pool of water by a kraken 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4836 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a perforated amulet on an altar, on T:4853 12:06 <@the_eternal_paradox> haha I saw this on the ground and immediately thought "an apple a day keeps the doctor away" 12:06 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/789539195755823144/Screen_Shot_2020-12-18_at_12.06.02_PM.png 12:09 and both petse down 12:09 fuck man 12:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 846 points, T:2121, killed by a killer bee 12:13 3.6 slash'em, that's cool! 12:14 i also like the choice for name-shortening in doc/slamfaq.txt 12:15 moon-child: you might want to chat with antigulp about the porting you're doing! she has ported a lot of slash'em stuff to 3.6/3.7 in splicehack; grenades, a lotta monsters, *the whole #technique system*, etc 12:16 my pony doesnt want to attack the fucking leprechaun 12:16 its just a leprechaun 12:16 where is the problem 12:16 * bug_sniper gives stenno a ring of conflict 12:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Cav Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1537 12:19 dog doesn't attack either 12:20 <@the_eternal_paradox> sorry I'm not sure if I'm being blind or something, but I really can't find the upstairs here :P 12:20 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/789542497390166016/Screen_Shot_2020-12-18_at_12.19.15_PM.png 12:20 <@the_eternal_paradox> a little help? 12:20 have you tired _< 12:20 tried 12:21 meanwhile they happily attack the floating eyes 12:21 <@the_eternal_paradox> yeah, "can't find "<"" 12:21 The pony is frozen by its gaze! 12:22 The little dog misses it. The little dog is frozen by its gaze! 12:22 NICE 12:22 ok so you somehow byapssed this level on the way down 12:23 <@the_eternal_paradox> yes I levelported to lvl 70 to search for the Square 12:23 no magic mapping? 12:23 <@the_eternal_paradox> no 12:23 <@the_eternal_paradox> I used up all my charges on the Orb of Fate too 12:23 then my friend, you have a lot of walking to do 12:24 <@the_eternal_paradox> but I think I already did explore the whole thing 12:24 <@the_eternal_paradox> #terrain shows like nothing 12:24 meaning you haven't walked over the stairs 12:24 The little dog is frozen by the floating eye's gaze! 12:24 <@the_eternal_paradox> or seen it 12:24 that is the worst fucking shit ever 12:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2748 12:25 The horse is frozen by the floating eye's gaze! 12:27 The little dog is frozen by the floating eye's gaze! 12:27 The horse is frozen by the floating eye's gaze! 12:27 The kitten is frozen by the floating eye's gaze! 12:28 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/789544513554481253/unknown.png 12:28 <@luxidream> stairs ^^ 12:28 The horse hits it. The horse is frozen by its gaze! 12:28 interesting too that they apparently dont do any damage when hitting 12:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 264 points, T:1438, killed by Ms. Sipaliwini; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 12:29 The kitten bites the floating eye. The floating eye is killed! 12:29 one down of 2 12:30 and now another monster behind a boulder 12:30 man that was a waste of time 12:30 lets try this again 12:30 haha luxidream 12:31 wasted 15 minutes with that bullshit lmao 12:31 <@the_eternal_paradox> Aaaaa I see 12:32 <@the_eternal_paradox> Argh thank you so much 12:32 bad luck, found a magic whistle early 12:32 and then soko fucks everything up 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 378 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:41613 12:33 damn you soko 12:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 47786 points, T:11815, killed by a troll zombie 12:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:34246 12:36 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 62 points, T:156, killed by a water demon 12:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:34254 12:41 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 30 points, T:577, killed by a jackal 12:43 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:43 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 38 points, T:242, killed by a goblin 12:46 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 161 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:42958 12:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 407 points, T:2556, killed by a fox 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 5864 points, T:3617, killed by a leocrotta 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:43204 12:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Fem Cha) destroyed microlance the elf zombie, and former Empiric, on T:2997 12:51 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:52 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:55 -!- spicycebolla is now known as cebolla 12:55 -!- cebolla is now known as group 12:55 -!- group is now known as cebolla 12:56 -!- cebolla is now known as spicycebolla 12:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:34689 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:66106 13:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 4671 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:57563 13:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 6393 points, T:3888, quit 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:57619 13:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 86 points, T:361, killed by a grid bug, while fainted from lack of food 13:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2166 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:67651 13:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:67652 13:09 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 309 points, T:1097, killed by an arrow, while jumping around 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] sonsie (Sam Hum Mal Law), 287 points, T:1087, killed by a small mimic 13:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Hea Hob Mal Neu), 1027 points, T:1522, zombified by a dwarf zombie 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:68503 13:16 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 13:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed for the first time, on T:3926 13:18 ahgf;ashgsa 13:18 hjklyubn 13:18 man that one was so good 13:19 playing paci is really really draining man 13:19 inb4 'its draining man' 13:19 men* 13:19 hallelujah! 13:19 Pw:4 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Bond697's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:2731 13:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 218 points, T:986, killed by an acid blob 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3307 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3307 13:26 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 86 points, T:191, killed by a goblin 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:3346 13:26 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 13:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 314 points, T:1504, killed by a wererat 13:27 lol I was reading the third glyph and an aspect of the silence spawned mid-reading it causing my pw to drain and my android to pass out from exhaustion 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:69527 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:69542 13:32 bhaak: is it possible to make a dungeon branch that comes from the first level of a branch? like, say, the first level of the gnomish mines, can I have a branch downstair on that? 13:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:70052 13:35 <@UniDuckRunAmuck> if a peaceful monster is sleeping, would you still be able to swap places with it? 13:35 <{Demo}> you can do anything you want, its open source :) 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 135 points, T:267, killed by a brown mold 13:36 {Demo}: :P the question was whether it's possible without major refactoring, but apparently not... blah... 13:36 or at least I can't get it to work 13:36 have to make a crappy workaround 13:36 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 13:37 Seems like the code would have to be pretty spaghettified for that not to be possible, you've made me curious enough to take a look 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Nobbs (Val Hum Fem Law), 36295 points, T:14257, quit 13:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1829 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:70203 13:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:70205 13:38 You kill the lichen! 13:38 arghfds 13:39 god dammit man 13:39 rip stenno 13:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Glasya, on T:36706 13:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was given the Shield of the Resolute Heart, on T:259573 13:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Daemon, on T:36824 13:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14351 13:42 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 2975 points, T:4193, killed by a soldier ant 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:13216 13:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1628 points, T:1074, quit 13:48 -!- Alasnuyo has joined #hardfought 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:71438 13:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Cha) had a scimitar entrusted to her by Set, on T:2218 13:51 -!- jonathanhanes has joined #hardfought 13:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 274 points, T:929, killed by a manes 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1682 13:53 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Mon Inf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2102 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful sewer rat, on T:1685 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:14004 13:56 -!- Alasnuyo has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:56 <@the_eternal_paradox> HAHAHA I JUST SNATCHED SUNSWORD FROM AN ARCHON 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 900 points, T:1856, killed by a kobold lord 13:57 LarienTelrunya: what you said. I don't think that's supported. in theory, the new data structure in 3.7 would support that but I'm not sure if the dungeon level file already supports that. 13:57 yeah I was afraid that would be the case 13:57 and since I'm coding in a slex context, there's no hope for me to make it work :/ 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:72913 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 479 points, T:338, killed by a giant rat 14:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1019 14:01 -!- shadowcat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:01 merge 3.7 14:01 then it'll work 14:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:59166 14:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:4168 14:04 merge the new branch structure and go from there :) 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1065 points, T:2163, killed by a gnome 14:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:4955 14:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:73611 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:73625 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Oracle, on T:15178 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:73693 14:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 75 points, T:131, killed by a jackal 14:17 <@the_eternal_paradox> I'm standing on my high altar 14:18 <@the_eternal_paradox> I never expected to ascend twice in a week 14:18 nice one! 14:18 good work 14:18 congrats! 14:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Bau (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3537 14:19 k2 how many christmas cookies do I need to send you to start hosting 3.6.6 again?? :D 14:19 jonathanhanes: Message from Umbire at 2020-12-09 19:58 EST: Was busy troping and playing on my phone again, but otherwise fine! Sorry for the late answer. 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2579792 points, T:73711, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/w/wintergalaxy88/nethack/dumplog/1608212772.nh.html 14:19 <@the_eternal_paradox> WOOOOOOO 14:19 woot 14:19 jonathanhanes hah 14:20 no cookies, i need to decrease this gut, not increase :) 14:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:20 @the_eternal_paradox congrats!! \o/ 14:20 the_eternal_paradox what's next? :) 14:21 <@the_eternal_paradox> :D 14:21 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 220 points, T:1292, killed by a dart 14:22 <@the_eternal_paradox> I should try playing another role now :P 14:22 tourist is a good start 14:22 very easy and fun 14:23 <@the_eternal_paradox> dunno, I think I'll stick to mostly melee-based classes and then slowly inch towards spellcasters 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:15759 14:26 Your wallet contains 1122 zorkmids. You owe Akalapi 1112 zorkmids. 14:27 -!- krm26 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 661 points, T:1868, killed by an Uruk-hai 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 286 points, T:1457, killed by a gnome lord 14:31 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 14:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:37842 14:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1305 14:35 orctown 14:35 quit? 14:35 gratz 14:35 stenno: never quit. 14:35 show pacifist who's boss and ascend anyway 14:35 i already quit like 5-6 times today 14:35 always never give up 14:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:37901 14:36 idk man 14:37 * tinklebear only knows one way to learn. but there are probably lots of others. 14:37 i can't do protection racket 14:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 1417 points, T:1489, quit 14:38 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #hardfought 14:38 killed a jackal 14:38 this to that 14:38 ashes to ashes 14:38 from the pale gray sky we shall arise 14:39 RIP, anonymous jackal 14:40 hmm 14:40 robe or faded pall 14:40 i am going to wear mithril anyway 14:40 stenno: do what is fun. 14:40 so i geuess spellcasting doesnt matter 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9310 14:42 wait lol 14:42 mithril + robe is 3% fail healing, without robe its ~40% 14:42 didnt know that robe influenced body armor 14:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Kos, on T:6023 14:42 oh god yes 14:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:7422 14:48 3 throne genos from this throne, aww yeah 14:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:2599 14:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2797 14:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Cha) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Jail-bird, on T:7913 14:51 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 14:52 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 14:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:38870 14:55 You kill the goblin! 14:55 gsadf 14:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 4394 points, T:9744, killed by an ettin zombie 14:55 <{Demo}> nice pacifist 14:55 \last attempt 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Fem Law), 316 points, T:958, killed by a giant bat, while sleeping 14:57 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed historic corrodeproof very unlit thoroughly unlabeled +5 dragonhide hawaiian shirt of searching named i am not a boogaloo boy", on T:37676 14:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed figurine of an Archon", on T:16683 14:59 oh wow anti-magic field drained my pw to 4 14:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) killed for the first time, on T:16892 14:59 FeelsHealerMan 14:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) averted death (killed by an Archon), on T:16894 15:00 >.< 15:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 354 points, T:16896, killed by an Archon 15:00 woot got the silver key 15:02 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 176 points, T:486, zombified by a gnome zombie 15:03 isn't beholder reporting stuff from dnh amateurhour? 15:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:42895 15:05 heh 15:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:39572 15:06 not everything apparently 15:06 didn't report genocides 15:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1287 15:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Cha) had a large shield entrusted to her by Set, on T:9501 15:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:18305 15:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "uncursed magic marker called DIY dragon scale mail kit", on T:18348 15:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:39825 15:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:39869 15:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Death, on T:39932 15:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 4641122 points, T:39952, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1608224923.dnh.txt 15:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2158 15:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:43931 15:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 342 points, T:1337, killed by a wand 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3051 15:37 last last attempt 15:39 nice name, neko-chan. wish i'd thought of it 15:39 thank you lol 15:40 did the quest portal ever come back in that game? 15:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3350 15:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a tin on an altar, on T:3355 15:46 man bump-killing is the worst 15:54 hmm extra healing is smoky 16:01 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 16:05 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 16:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 38657 points, T:8096, killed by a shark 16:08 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:09 goddammit, some bastard monster just threw an egg at me 16:10 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3278 16:11 only one lizard corpse left now 16:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3311 16:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Initiate, on T:3592 16:16 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:44420 16:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:15026 16:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Bau (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 10612 points, T:4778, killed by a gnome lord 16:21 bleh, Orcus has already spotted me. This is going to hurt big time. 16:22 stupid werefoo 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4469 16:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:44484 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4528 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 10 darts on an altar, on T:4531 16:23 yeah from HP 198 down to 141. bastard. 16:24 the hell RNG why do you keep spawning high-level garbage 16:24 level 20 horror archer in the mines, totally not out of depth... :P 16:24 you should write a stern letter to the developer 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4391 16:26 works as designed 16:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed figurine of an archon", on T:5437 16:26 hmm 16:26 what could a second wish be 16:27 gdsm? 16:27 magic whistle? 16:27 i think it has to be magic whistle 16:27 anyway lets see first 16:27 an angelic being (tame Archon) [seen: normal vision, infravision] 16:28 hmm ac:-6, so he doesn't wear [oRefl 16:28 The Archon puts on an uncursed +0 polished silver shield. 16:28 nice! 16:29 no weapon it seems 16:29 second wish 16:29 hmmmp 16:29 holiday has officially started! 16:29 either sdsm for me 16:29 gratz K2 16:29 or magic whistle 16:29 dont have to go back to work until the 28th 16:29 K2: same-ish here 16:29 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 16:29 !booze everyone 16:29 * Beholder pours everyone a glass of the sauce, distilled by FCCBot at 38 degrees Celsius. 16:29 kinda really want a magic whistle 16:29 but also kinda want sdsm 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 gauntlets of power", on T:4430 16:30 no spontiff faround 16:30 have you been through the mines yet? 16:31 only until minetown 16:31 wanted to do soko now 16:31 * stenno presses random keys so the session doesn't time out 16:32 i have wand of poly, magic marker 16:32 p sure it can idle for an hour before it closes your session 16:33 i think its magic whistle 16:33 used to be, but i think k2 cut it to 15 minutes or something during tnnt 16:33 for soko anyway 16:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic whistle", on T:5460 16:33 i noticed my sessions timed out a lot sooner 16:33 used to be an hour, cut it to 30 min 16:33 ah 30 16:33 what is the name of my archon 16:34 was in case someone had their game timed out and they wouldnt have to wait an hour if an admin wasnt around 16:34 archie mcarchieface 16:34 Steve 16:34 oh how I love it if a scroll of create monster turns a quiet, peaceful level into a huge mess. https://abload.de/img/yeahsuremakeahugemess6gkt3.png - all the B's were generated by that one scroll 16:34 ok 16:39 <@riker> amy, isn't that a pic of slex? :p 16:39 @riker: uhh yes? 16:39 is that surprising in any way? 16:39 <@riker> no, but that means ?oCM doing that is your fault :) 16:40 <@riker> also, it's CM not create horde or whatnot? 16:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class ;), on T:1734 16:40 Akalapi says "You be careful with my cream pie!" 16:40 yeah just regular create monster 16:40 <@riker> wack 16:40 but probably cursed 16:41 stenno: wouldn't want to accidentally pie anyone in the face! 16:41 -!- tinklebear has quit [Quit: "The neighborhood is friendlier"] 16:44 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 349 points, T:1263, killed by a cave spider, while fainted from lack of food 16:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:6302 16:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:6303 16:45 "There is no harm in praising a large dog." 16:45 You dodge a knife with your electric cigarette (720). 16:45 lol, wondering how the hell that's supposed to work 16:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) consumed animal products (kobold) for the first time, on T:6456 16:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:6590 16:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6613 16:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2682 16:50 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 28 points, T:279, killed by a jackal 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:6212 16:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Kni Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a pyrolisk, on T:16223 16:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Cha), 61135 points, T:11026, killed by a yellow dragon 16:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 15 points, T:92, killed by a falling rock 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6766 16:55 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 118 points, T:548, killed by a newt 16:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6705 16:59 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2515 points, T:3851, killed by a piranha 16:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:4020 16:59 [hdf-eu] [slex] Ulf (AmyBSOD) (Ast Hrl Mal Neu) obtained the luckstone from Mines End, on T:22450 16:59 TROPHY GET! 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Kni Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:16671 17:00 <@UniDuckRunAmuck> let's gooo! I was just thinking "wow it'd be great if this wand was a wand of wishing" lol 17:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Glasya, on T:49314 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:16700 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:16700 17:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:4546 17:04 [hdf-eu] [slex] Ulf (AmyBSOD) (Ast Hrl Mal Neu) killed Ruggo the Gnome King, on T:22543 17:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8549 17:06 <@the_eternal_paradox> I'm genuinely curious what the death message would be if you hit yourself with a pick-axe till you died 17:06 was hoping for reflectoban 17:06 "killed by their own pick-axe" (has been done in junethack) 17:07 <@the_eternal_paradox> aww hoping for YAFM 17:07 rip ruggo 17:07 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:08 <{Demo}> watch out for druggo the gnome king 17:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 17:10 -!- spleen has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) murdered Sam, her faithful mountain centaur, on T:21602 17:12 so in splice I have paranoid go into water but it looks like that setting doesn't work for 3.7? 17:12 cause I am really sick of this happening 17:12 my neighbors seem to really like mariah carey and her one christmas hit. good for them. 17:12 do they REALLY have to play it multiple times a day, every day, on a speaker set up outside for the whole street to hear? 17:12 especially with the new room that can generate water in the middle of hallways 17:13 aosdict:that... is psychological warfare 17:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:4284 17:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:26830 17:15 Neko-chan: indeed it does not work in 3.7. Yet. 17:15 <{Demo}> paranoid water is highly controversial 17:16 Neko-chan: if you are displeased with this and want to see it added, please support https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/pull/257 17:16 It's just kinda run ending for me when I just walk my steed into water I could not see that is generating in a strange place 17:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:50100 17:16 {Demo}: it's not that controversial in the form it's in in my PR 17:17 where having it off makes the game behave the same 17:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4627 17:17 <{Demo}> I think having it available is the controversy 17:17 seems like one of those things that's only controversial cause all the people who 'like' it have already suffered because of it and repgrogramed their entire play around that and they think, hey everyone else should have to do this too! 17:19 Neko-chan: like hazing 17:19 correct me if I'm wrong, but I know exactly one player who dislikes the existence of paranoid water ;) 17:19 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:50175 17:19 yeah, the entire anti-paranoid-water argument is that all players should be forced to risk typo accidents. with it as an option, they can keep it off for themselves and go about their business. so arguing against it means that you want all players to be forced to have it off 17:19 I think if the vault room didn't randomly fill hallways with water I'd be slightly more like "well that's the breaks" but really it's a gameplay feature that I need to pause before every hallway tile or immediately lose my saddle and my run? 17:19 there are plenty of ways to typo accident without paranoid water 17:20 "all players should be forced to risk water* typo accidents" let's not split hairs here 17:21 <{Demo}> water and lava 17:21 <{Demo}> instadeath without fire res 17:21 Neko-chan: all of which should be removed 17:21 personally, I also have a huge gripe with floating eye and cockatrice typo accidents :P there's a reason why I made them a lot less harsh in slex (sane paralysis duration for floating eyes, delayed petrification if you bump into a c while not wielding a weapon) 17:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 616 points, T:1915, killed by a rabid rat 17:22 <{Demo}> i am stalwartly against blowing up bohs 17:22 <{Demo}> but pretty, eh on paranoid liquids 17:22 <{Demo}> inventory management shouldnt be annoying and typo die-y 17:22 <{Demo}> but the main game is different 17:22 in non-slex variants I always genocide cockatrices if possible because I just hate losing a run to such BS :P 17:22 <{Demo}> with max luck, falling in water usually doesnt blank too much 17:23 When I lose this game I really prefer for it to be interesting, not "I missed the home row" 17:23 in fact, if I have the choice between blessed-genociding c and h in vanilla (including the real vanilla where amnesia is still a thing), I'd always chose c 17:23 Pinkbeast: walking into a hole in castle while wielding a cockatrice? 17:23 <{Demo}> yeah 17:23 <{Demo}> water should be used deliberately 17:23 <{Demo}> if it is going to be something that forces you to slow down 17:23 <{Demo}> and press buttons more carefully 17:23 <{Demo}> and it isn't used very deliberately 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9128 17:23 I don't mind the swamp levels 17:23 I like the careful moment of mayhem stuff 17:24 but it really sucks when something is on top of water and it's not clear from the tile there is water there 17:24 I also play with pets/steeds and god water just murders the non flyers 17:24 that's a bit of an inconsistently currently 17:24 inconsistency* 17:25 I think one good compromise would be a single confirmation per level generation 17:25 with peaceful displacement, pets are smart enough not to get displaced into water 17:25 but you can ride them into water 17:25 ??? 17:25 Neko-chan: that would be annoying 17:25 I mean, with peaceful displacement my trolls seem to love swimming 17:26 well if they're swimming pets they don't mind displacement into water 17:26 because it won't instakill them 17:26 the whole thing is brutal and annoying in the first place, it doesn't add anything but paranoia and suffering and splats. It barely even adds to like, cool fights, or strategy. The only time water is cool is on medusa's 17:26 well clearly aosdict 17:26 these trolls die when they swim 17:26 often 17:26 like 100% of the time near water they seem to end up there 17:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ninja, on T:3748 17:27 I barely even bother using non flying pets anymore 17:27 just have displacing pets give a paranoid check when they'd get displaced into a harmful liquid that they cannot survive :P it's what I did in slex 17:27 Neko-chan: hmm you're right 17:27 why is that, 17:28 Archie McArchieface picks up an uncursed lock pick. 17:28 Archie McArchieface unlocks and opens a door. 17:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2112 17:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:9746 17:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:51084 17:31 LarienTelrunya: I will admit I have played exactly 1 game of slex, but I'm actually pretty surprised at the couple of things you've mentioned today about design choices. I was under the impression you'd amp up the brutality for these things as like, a feature or whatever 17:31 nah, I hate losing the game to a single typo 17:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2278 points, T:4069, killed by a soldier ant 17:32 Isn't there a trap that swaps all your inventory items without telling you? 17:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) genocided master mind flayers, on T:45428 17:32 there's a trap that teleports items out of your inventory without telling you 17:32 That's what always made me feel like you thought typos were a feature, I guess I got confused 17:33 well that's pretty brutal if it can be any item 17:33 don't step on traps I guess 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 82 points, T:328, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 17:33 well there also is a trap that disables the paranoid confirmations, so if you trigger that and then typo into lava, you actually fall in 17:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class t), on T:9825 17:33 Neko-chan: patr for some reason restored the bit that allows tame monsters (not peacefuls) to be displaced onto terrain that they consider harmful 17:33 but generally, there are y/n confirmations in slex, for e.g. water, lava, known traps, and (recent addition) also displacing pets into liquids 17:34 there is no reason given for this, it happened in the commit that added displacer beasts 17:34 yeah, I have noticed that aosdict and its' nice to feel confirmed. I will admit I took advantage of it a little bit with some curious boulder structures around a poly trap but it seemed against the evidence presented in the change log so I was pretty confused 17:34 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 44 points, T:203, killed by a lichen 17:35 I think "you stepped on a trap, which increased the difficulty somewhat" is a lot better than "well the guy who had your side of the argument lost when they fought about it on irc in 2005 so just learn to play around it" 17:35 I might email patr directly about this 17:36 2005, wow that's so long ago, I wasn't even aware nethack existed back then... anything important I missed there? 17:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Tymora, on T:6257 17:37 idk I'm just trying to be funny 17:37 <{Demo}> does anyone have nethack 1.3d compiling for Windows? 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1828 17:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:52479 17:42 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a Green-elf, on T:9871 17:44 @Luxidream around? 17:45 hm, seems not 17:45 no problem 17:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:45612 17:45 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 6 points, T:57, killed by a water moccasin 17:46 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 8 points, T:103, killed by a sewer rat 17:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:45617 17:46 why is it so that if I force-fight while my steed is confused, the attack still goes in a random direction??? the steed is confused, not me! 17:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:16780 17:47 Hmmm, I have been playing with steeds for the last like 100+ games and I have to say I never never experienced that happening. Why are you force fight and not just fighting? Maybe it has something to do with specifically force fighting 17:47 nah if I just try to bump, it also goes in a random direction if the steed is confused 17:47 I've actually used the strategy of immediately saddling and mounting a confused pet to keep them from attacking others in both splice and nh3.7 17:48 huh, that's wild 17:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:10323 17:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Kni Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 T-shirt", on T:16916 17:49 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 87 points, T:385, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 17:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law), 914030 points, T:54812, escaped 17:49 hmm maybe it behaves differently in slashem compared to vanilla then 17:50 castle time 17:51 Neko-chan: huh, this also snuck into xnethack unnoticed 17:51 well THAT I can fix by myself 17:52 Sup stenno and aosdict 17:52 playing paci 17:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:53565 17:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 20544 points, T:8408, killed by an Uruk-captain 17:56 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4536 points, T:14955, killed by a snow ant 17:56 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:57 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 188 points, T:724, killed by a jackal 17:58 castle wow get 17:58 first time ever as paci, yay 17:58 hmm so 17:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:11590 17:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed Famine, on T:53705 17:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:11590 17:59 i wonder about mrtifact for paci 17:59 maybe pyec? 18:00 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:01 hm do i really need pyec that much 18:01 i will recharge my markers 18:01 i mean i wont use /oDeath naturally 18:01 maybe eota then 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law), 2334 points, T:3452, killed by a housecat 18:02 hm rodney can steal it 18:02 maybe just comr then 18:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of magic resistance", on T:11600 18:06 why not both and then stash pyec while facing Rodney 18:06 wasteful 18:06 fair 18:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed the invisible Pestilence, on T:53763 18:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed Death, on T:53795 18:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Ana And Mal Neu), 5658992 points, T:53807, ascended, having saved the future 18:11 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/dnethack/dumplog/1607973850.dnh.txt 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 662 points, T:1749, killed by a werejackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 18:11 grats amateurhour 18:12 hell yeah amateurhour 18:12 and ana and mal neu 18:12 ok 18:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) had an ornamental cope entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:9708 18:12 <@malor> congrats amateurhour 18:12 was the endgame hard? 18:12 grats amateurhour! can you also ascend an android anachronononono in slex? ;) 18:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) had a wooden scale mail entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:9739 18:13 GG amateurhour! 18:13 man astral was harder than I thought it'd be but I was overprepared as hell 18:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class w, on T:11841 18:16 dnh is an absolute blast as usual 18:16 sweet, nice one amateurhour :) 18:18 <@the_eternal_paradox> I swear getting used to NetHack's directional keys makes me unable to play any other game 18:18 <@the_eternal_paradox> actually, getting used to all of its commands 18:18 directional keys like hjkl etc you mean? 18:19 hoo baby have I got the text editor recommendation for you 18:19 <@the_eternal_paradox> things like that yeah 18:19 <@the_eternal_paradox> or w to wield XD 18:19 join us on the dark side and try vim 18:20 <@the_eternal_paradox> hmmmmm 18:20 Hi paradox 18:21 <@the_eternal_paradox> hallo Umbire 18:21 How's you 18:21 <@the_eternal_paradox> pretty good, you? 18:22 amateurhour, I thought emacs was the dark side, and (n)vim the good guys :D 18:23 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 18:23 haha perhaps you're right 18:24 !pom 18:24 nabru: The moon is waxing crescent; full moon in 10 days. 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Bond697's ghost, the former Ninja, on T:1092 18:24 !lastgame bond697 18:24 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bond697/nethack/dumplog/1608330707.nh.html 18:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:14519 18:25 nabru: cheeeeeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaateeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeeerrrrrrrrrr........ 18:25 /j 18:25 did the wiki just go down? 18:25 wiki works for me 18:25 working for me, too 18:25 amateurhour: works for me 18:26 hrmrm 18:26 Seems fine to me 18:27 donest work for me 18:27 site cant be reached 18:27 dns problem? 18:27 probably 18:27 what does 'host nethackwiki.com' return? 18:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:3169 18:27 34.202.119.206 for me 18:27 for me too 18:28 ah its back 18:28 it's just started working right this second 18:28 * amateurhour shrugs 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1004 points, T:1245, killed by a werejackal 18:29 F 18:29 So is that a potential double bones 18:29 ? 18:29 yep 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:23118 18:33 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3162 points, T:5593, killed by an ape 18:33 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 18:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:12198 18:35 <@nabru> !ping 18:35 @nabru: Pong! 18:36 email sent to patr 18:37 now I just have to hope he doesn't go "yes it's intentional that you can displace pets into water" 18:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:15775 18:38 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:38 hmm 18:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:12301 18:40 <@microlance> a shambling horror lvl drained me even though i was using stormbringer (offhand tho) 18:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:29900 18:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29902 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ninja, on T:3364 18:43 stenno, moon-child: you jinxed it, now I can't load a page D: 18:43 and now I can 18:43 * Umbire still rolls up a newspaper 18:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +5 gray dragon scale mail", on T:12120 18:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:12513 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2297 points, T:4023, killed by a bolt of fire 18:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1242 points, T:1174, killed by a giant beetle 18:49 go team a! 18:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:16827 18:53 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38657 18:53 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) picked up the Book of the Dead, on T:38662 18:54 aosdict: thanks, I'm curious about the reply as well 18:56 hi nekonekoneko 18:56 :3 18:58 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) performed the Invocation, on T:38684 18:59 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38693 19:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:30288 19:01 ah damn i don't have a luckstone 19:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:24878 19:01 hi Umbire 19:02 How's you 19:03 can i obtain luckstone by polypiling? 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5132 19:06 I *think* 19:06 ? 19:06 can't say for sure, but I feel like you'd have to have another gray stone in the pile IF it's possible 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 357 points, T:1639, killed by a giant bat 19:08 hm 19:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 88437 points, T:14225, killed by a giant centipede 19:11 I'm ok Umbire, doing pretty good 19:12 and you can get one, it just sucks and takes forever 19:12 probably would be easier and more time effective to go back to mine's end? 19:12 speaking of which, I am actually not sure the rock I have carried around all game is actually a luckstone and at this point I'm to afraid to check 19:13 -!- talkingleaf has joined #hardfought 19:13 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Client Quit] 19:14 I wish alchemy didn't change tbh, I could really go for a stack of forty gain level potions 19:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Mal Law) performed his first genocide (krakens), on T:166 19:14 "The cockatrice bites! The cockatrice misses. You hear the cockatrice's missing!" 19:14 well, there is a loadstone here 19:16 gray stone poly'd into a violet stone 19:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first item, on T:25144 19:16 found out which potion polymorph is! 19:17 and I didn't do it by quaffing it in the middle of a fight this time 19:17 which is my normal strategy 19:17 Dip-testing for polymorph >>>>> 19:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:19902 19:18 Thinking on it I... actually don't use those potions all that much myself 19:18 Unless I'm explicitly angling for like, a polymorph-based strat 19:19 or dip-testing like I mentioned 19:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Neu) had an axe entrusted to her by Crom, on T:3414 19:28 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the elven high priestess of Moloch, on T:39239 19:28 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) picked up the Amulet of Yendor, on T:39240 19:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:21823 19:38 YANI: intelligent artifact weapons reduce their damage bonuses if you are crossaligned, have negative alignment record, or an angry god. 19:43 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39365 19:43 🤔 19:43 you're really good at this new idea thing 19:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] mday299 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4671 19:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Kougyoku's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:6863 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law), 97429 points, T:26072, killed by a touch of death 19:48 uh what just happened 19:49 my pet just randomly touched of death me out of nowhere 19:49 uh oh 19:49 ...oh. 19:49 did they maybe get confused by a black light? 19:49 Did they run into a black light? 19:49 I had taken my MR robe off to do altar stuff 19:49 amateurhour: jinx 19:49 they had a unihorn 19:49 conflict? conusion? 19:49 which pet was it? 19:49 no conflict 19:49 I presume it was confusion 19:49 !lastgame nekochan 19:49 I mean it was an archlich 19:49 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nekochan/nethack/dumplog/1608282214.nh.html 19:49 but I gave them all unihorns 19:49 and its not like monsters were spawning 19:50 I had just given myself see invis 19:50 Luka looks confused. 19:50 Bleh, but from what?? 19:50 It explodes! 19:50 Luka why :'( 19:50 black y 19:50 Black light, had to be 19:50 yeah :/ 19:50 oh it was a black light 19:50 And it reflexively did what it normally does 19:50 it happened while I was eating the tin so I must have noticed it 19:51 I just don't get why it didn't unihorn 19:51 Pets aren't guaranteed to instantly use unihorns, it takes a few turns 19:51 And in those few turns... :c 19:51 I gave them all unihorns and confirmed they had them with probing 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] mday299 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4843 19:51 I mean it WAS a few turns umbrie 19:51 and they do use them pretty quickly ime 19:51 how did you get so many awesome pets? those names are really cute 19:51 I pretty aggressively polytrap as a knight 19:51 Seems like luck wasn't on your side this time 19:52 Also polying for pets is fun 19:52 I normally don't have liches really, but they have high MR and I kept getting stuck with them 19:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] mday299 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4859 19:52 ...speaking of bad pet luck, a black dragon blast missed me and hit my worm 19:52 I had a whistle and gave them horns and had MR so it wasn't a big deal 19:52 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39497 19:52 it was just in this like, tiny window where I was using armor scrolls, god 19:52 really sucks that it happened as you were getting see invis 19:52 like worst possible timing 19:53 Yeah, RNG Murphied you 19:53 :[ 19:53 Like I was getting see invis from eating tins 19:53 so it just took like a billion turns and seemed like a not big deal 19:53 pretty fucking dumb honestly 19:53 * Umbire hugs 19:53 yeah that's a real nasty way to go 19:53 I keep finally getting these good runs and then just the dumbest, critical hit stuff keeps happening 19:54 like five things had to happen there to make that even happen 19:54 Hard to say there's even a lesson to be learned there, not that it was truly your fault to begin with 19:54 But like, what do you even say to that kind of shit happening 19:54 super tempted to wish for grayswandir for my pet archon lol 19:54 i should wish for magic markers though i though 19:54 think 19:55 I'm just mad umbrie, you don't need to fix it or make it better 19:55 it's just a really annoying and disappointing way to end 19:55 I know, I'm just processing it all 19:55 Yeah 19:55 I really hate it when I'm alive, and then like reading the death prompt and trying to figure out what happened 19:55 like it was a very good run and I had all the defenses and UGH I didn't even fucking want archliches, why didn't they attack the other pets there 19:56 or use literally any other spell 19:56 or it's stupid horn 19:56 like 19:56 I even put in the effort to make sure it had a horn 19:56 any special strategy for fighting the Cyclops? 19:56 That's the rub with covetous monsters unfortunately, somehow while confused they'll still manage to seek you out 19:56 bouquet: Melee bad 19:56 That's not even true 19:57 I've literally had it happen with my own pet master/arch liches becoming confused 19:57 Ask the neighbourhood werejackal for help 19:57 probably should've specified covetous *pets* 19:57 bouquet: they have literally 0 mr 19:57 H^ 19:57 -H* 19:57 I don't think they specifically seek you out while confused, as my covetous pets attack eachother when confused 19:58 I'm just rejecting you saying something in an absolute way that's false 19:58 I'm hoping to put him to sleep then whack him with my +5 saber. 19:58 like the whole reason that I gave them unihorns is that this almost happened earlier and they were all attacking each other 19:58 it's a good enough strategy, just watch out for level drain if zaps miss 19:58 ^ 19:58 could wield a potion and smash it instead 19:58 Neko-chan: Fair, what I should have said was that they can still attack you like other confused pets 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:7325 20:01 100hp and -32AC good enough? 20:01 the worst part is it all comes back to the stupid paranoid water confirmation as I never would have had to walk back up 30 floors to dl1 if my saddle wasn't trapped in the bottom of a pool of water 20:01 and I could have just done the quest and gotten carried MR 20:01 HP's a bit low but your AC compensates for that 20:01 (a bit too well) 20:01 got the orb of weight, too. That'll halve dmg 20:03 Honestly why do I even play this game, this is so incredibly unrewarding 20:03 -!- Neko-chan has left #hardfought 20:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 Grayswandir", on T:15562 20:05 -!- sebastia1toby has joined #hardfought 20:05 -!- Kontroll1r has joined #hardfought 20:06 The invisible Archie McArchieface picks up the blessed greased +3 Grayswandir. 20:06 The invisible Archie McArchieface wields the blessed greased +3 Grayswandir! 20:07 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 20:08 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08 -!- Kontroller has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:08 since the Cyclop's MR is 0 I could maybe hit him with a /oDeath? 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:8199 20:10 I've also got Giantslayer. I'm loathe to waste a point on longsword, though. 20:11 Monster MR won't protect against a wand of death anyway. 20:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:16062 20:12 Monster MR just determines ability to resist a given spell 20:12 So if you can hit him through his 0 AC then it'll instakill him 20:12 It works on wands of sleep and a few other things 20:13 Player MR is what protects against stuff like wands of death 20:13 I'm loaded up on sleeping potions, so that'll help 20:13 He doesn't have that either, so... 20:14 I know, I'm clarifying the difference for bouquet 20:15 [hdf-us] [gh] sohlman (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 689 points, T:895, killed by a rothe 20:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:16473 20:20 quest nemeses don't respect ?oSM in 3.7hdf? 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] mday299 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 7722 points, T:6775, killed by a wand 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 800 points, T:2216, killed by a giant mimic 20:21 Yeah 20:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Neu) stole 3125 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Olycan's jewelers, on T:4026 20:24 Nope 20:24 also got a magic flute. That should put him to sleep good 20:27 Nice~ 20:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Dresser, on T:17215 20:32 god dammit i messed up 20:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:5107 20:33 [hdf-us] [un] sohlman (Bar Vam Mal Cha), 5699 points, T:5774, killed by a mumak 20:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Neu), 8027 points, T:5115, killed by a tiger, while praying 20:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Fem Neu), 55 points, T:139, killed by a jackal, while sleeping 20:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] mday299 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful housecat, on T:1162 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3471 20:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Dwa Mal Neu) stole 2297 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Manlobbi's general store, on T:1717 20:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Dwa Mal Neu), 968 points, T:1727, killed by a Kop Sergeant, while reading a book 20:44 Should've paid for that reading license, chap 20:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3982 20:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priestess of Anhur, on T:4004 20:50 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) entered the planes, on T:41269 20:50 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41269 20:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] sohlman (Sam Hum Mal Law), 513 points, T:811, killed by a giant bat 20:51 go hothraxxa go! 20:51 <@the_eternal_paradox> is it just me or would the extended commands actually be pretty cool as hashtags 20:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Medica ossium, on T:18360 20:52 Welcome to experience level 14. 20:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 2549 points, T:2373, poisoned by a giant mosquito 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Magician, on T:10398 20:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10427 20:58 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 20:58 [Return when you are more neutral.] 20:58 uuuh 21:00 [hdf-us] [evil] sohlman (Val Cen Fem Neu), 322 points, T:360, killed by a hobbit rogue, while sleeping 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:44917 21:01 Someone's alignment ain't up to snuff 21:01 You usually don't run into that because a majority of the time you get the minimum alignment required to pass the test by working to XL 14 anyway 21:02 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41514 21:03 are you talking to me? 21:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Mal Law) destroyed microlance the hobbit zombie, and former Empiric, on T:1695 21:05 Yeah 21:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Conjurer, on T:6010 21:06 Though I couldn't answer *why* there's an issue with alignment score 21:06 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 21:09 well i can 21:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a conical hat entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:2302 21:09 o: 21:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:60288 21:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:60315 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:7111 21:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:60378 21:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] mday299 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3208 21:18 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the elven high priestess of Anu, on T:41724 21:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a bone ninja-to entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:3177 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:46037 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:46038 21:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2725 21:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] mday299 (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2980 points, T:3304, killed by Mr. Dark Eery; the shopkeeper 21:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:19426 21:20 yesssss 21:20 Attaboy! 21:21 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Famine, on T:41734 21:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:19433 21:22 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Famine, on T:41750 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:44254 21:24 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:41772 21:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:44255 21:24 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 21:24 piece of cake. He barely scratched me. 21:24 oh lol 21:24 double cyclops kill 21:25 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 27 points, T:103, killed by a goblin 21:25 not even did he not scratch me, i also didn't scratch him :3 21:25 Archie McArchieface did the dirty work for me 21:25 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:41797 21:26 stenno: whahuh? 21:26 Oh 21:26 bouquet: Gj! 21:27 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Death, on T:41827 21:27 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:28 go team healer! 21:29 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 95 points, T:697, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 21:29 Now I need a ring of free action so I can go deal with yeenoghu on lvl8 21:29 oof 21:29 ...WHY is he on DL18? 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3726 21:29 i consider polymorphing potions for gain level lol 21:30 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 21:30 to power up my archon 21:30 so that he will engage rodney 21:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Mal Law) had a steel long sword entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:4284 21:31 [hdf-us] [nh343] sohlman (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 9127 points, T:2840, killed by an invisible vampire 21:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:19805 21:31 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) wished for "very historic thoroughly holy greased partly eaten diluted unlabeled +10 figurine of a woodchuck named carl e. joe, former stooge", on T:41835 21:31 You and your woodchucks 21:31 (also what's gh again 6_9) 21:32 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha), 2424347 points, T:41837, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/gh/dumplog/1607957647.gh.txt 21:33 sweet, amulet of flying 21:33 <@Tone> grats! 21:33 grunthack 21:33 grats hothraxxa ! 21:33 thanks all 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3068 points, T:3950, killed by a wolf 21:34 yeen is on lvl 8 because someone probably did a same race sacrifice. I haven't been able to investigate yet. 21:35 [hdf-us] [sp] sohlman (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 5515 points, T:3059, killed by a fire ant, while helpless 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12220 21:36 hothraxxa: Archie McArchieface is doing very well, he just killed the cyclops 21:37 Not my fault! My Yeen is on my level 5 21:37 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:38 Because I couldn't remember I'm a centaur 21:38 haha that's rich syenno 21:38 er 21:38 stenno 21:38 we'll know for sure as soon as I find that ring! 21:39 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 21:41 -!- rebatela has quit [Client Quit] 21:41 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 73 points, T:666, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 21:42 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 3 points, T:23, killed by a lichen, while praying 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:4491 21:47 GG Thrax! 21:47 aosdict: ty for the answer 21:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Mal Law), 34332 points, T:7286, quit 21:56 -!- truculent has joined #hardfought 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Merlek's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:9727 22:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonbane", on T:61536 22:03 Oh wow first time 22:03 After 7 for the p'hul I am shocked 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:13089 22:06 -!- truculent has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 22:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Arc Hob Fem Neu), 1299 points, T:2190, killed by a hill orc 22:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:21619 22:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:21889 22:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:21891 22:17 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 303 points, T:959, killed by a sewer rat 22:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6630 22:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:21952 22:19 fuck my archon got level drained 22:19 They should sleep with a foocubus! 22:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1501 points, T:1832, killed by an imp 22:24 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 180 points, T:558, crunched in the head by an iron ball 22:28 oh wow, i looted this throne exactly one time 22:28 and it got set to looted 22:29 bad luck 22:29 maybe i get a wish 22:29 nope... 22:29 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha) permanently converted to neutral, on T:102 22:33 god dammit he got level drained again somehow 22:33 does a ?oAmnesia forget trained skills or is that an YANI still? 22:34 it does in 3.7 22:34 sec 22:34 bouquet: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/fjj5ab/nethack_37_will_revamp_amnesia_allowing_for/ 22:34 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Neu), 123 points, T:738, killed by a newt, while fainted from lack of food 22:36 next time i will give my archon magicbane 22:37 V - an uncursed wand of polymorph named empty (6:8) 22:38 being _really_ lucky with that though :D 22:39 Impressive o: 22:40 [hdf-us] [fh] sohlman (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 33768 points, T:2002, killed by a soldier ant 22:41 awesome. This is in the current hdf build? 22:41 yes 22:41 worth a shot! 22:42 hmm... no mention of different effects depending on BUC. I guess I'm going to learn something today 22:43 Wait wyd 22:43 Oh, scroll of amnesia? 22:44 * Umbire goes to look 22:44 I have a bunch. Read a blessed scroll and reset all my #enhanced skills. 22:44 that's a great mechanic. 22:44 "Unless the scroll is blessed, you forget between one and all of your known spells. Being confused rolls this number twice and takes worse result." 22:45 cursed food detection should have a chance of summoning The Burger Master. A boss mob that dual wields +3 spatulas (uses knife skill), and wears an apron. 22:46 YASI: cursed food detection should have a chance of summoning The Burger Master. A boss mob that dual wields +3 spatulas (uses knife skill), and wears an apron. (credit bouquet) 22:46 bouquet: :B 22:46 Also spatulas are more paddle-like than anything 22:47 Maybe uses club skill...? 22:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] sohlman (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:219 22:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:22737 22:50 having worked in food service and used many a spatula bitd, they often have a sharpened or serated edge on one side to cut and trim without having to pick up another implement. 22:51 Huh, I've only ever used the plastic ones 22:51 TIL 22:51 Knife it is then :B 22:53 Umbire: you could also just go "YASI: ^" :P 22:53 B: 22:53 though I'm not manually reading those anymore (hi amy I presume you will want a dump of all the ones from 2020) 22:55 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 268 points, T:1263, killed by a giant bat 22:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 boots of speed", on T:35325 22:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "an uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:35330 23:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:46887 23:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class R), on T:46888 23:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:46889 23:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:23570 23:11 hmm 23:11 do i need to spend my last wish on holy water because i kinda screwed up? 23:11 seems like it 23:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed waters", on T:23657 23:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:23660 23:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:18991 23:15 god dammit i jsut accidentally blanked them 23:15 what a fucking waste 23:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una), 3791 points, T:3363, killed by a rope golem 23:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9561 23:17 D: 23:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 218 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:47817 23:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a jaguar, on T:9640 23:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:47886 23:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:23902 23:24 <@luxidream> stenno: is this the pacifist speed record 23:24 i don't think so lol 23:24 <@luxidream> the record is like 8h 23:25 this is far from done yet 23:25 asc run will be annoying 23:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Orc Fem Una), 710 points, T:2296, zombified by a diseased orc corpse 23:25 think i play longer than 8 hours though 23:26 <@luxidream> i saw you started it earlier today 23:26 <@luxidream> so I thought maybe 23:27 think i have to loot vs graveyard for resources lol 23:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] sohlman (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 6381 points, T:1129, killed by a giant zombie 23:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:24101 23:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:24103 23:33 Hi Luxi 23:34 <@luxidream> hi 23:34 Hello @luxidream, Welcome to #hardfought 23:35 <@luxidream> oh Umbire the bag of the hesperides is found in the ice queen branch and not perseus 23:35 <@luxidream> might want to fix that 23:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1411 23:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 20 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:49387 23:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:35428 23:46 should i try to charge my 6:0 wand of poly again lol 23:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3267 23:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 13679 points, T:9886, killed by an air elemental 23:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una), 6922 points, T:3414, killed by an ettin mummy 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of free action", on T:49932 23:52 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:52 my archon is too weak to attack baalze 23:52 oh i see where i fucked up 23:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 23:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 518 points, T:847, killed by a water moccasin, while fumbling 23:56 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 23:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:51337 23:58 finally 23:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 587 points, T:1538, killed by a bolt of fire, while sleeping off a magical draught 23:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 94 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:25355 23:59 it was Neko-chan's yeenoghu