00:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 2787 points, T:1877, killed by a wand 00:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Reconnoiteress, on T:10734 00:07 [hdf-us] [spl] spicycat (Car Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Player, on T:4183 00:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:14564 00:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Swn Fem Cha), 8252 points, T:6747, killed by a gnome lord zombie 00:12 fuck that was really annoying 00:12 nymph stole my boh and then levported 00:12 took me a while to think of polying into an mmf to help find her 00:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1840 00:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Gia Fem Cha), 639 points, T:1814, poisoned by a giant mosquito 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:11333 00:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:15306 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Scorpius, on T:23931 00:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:23933 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:10420 00:16 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 00:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:17644 00:20 [hdf-us] [spl] spicycat (Car Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful pony, on T:4388 00:21 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 00:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 645 points, T:2861, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted giant ant, while fainted from lack of food 00:27 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una), 486 points, T:1485, killed by a kitten, while praying 00:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 78 points, T:383, killed by a newt, while reading a book 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law), 2884 points, T:2945, killed by a gnomish wizard 00:37 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5109 points, T:28982, killed by a giant zombie 00:37 [hdf-us] [spl] spicycat (Car Dwa Fem Law) had Hand Grenade of Antioch bestowed upon her by Johnny, on T:4963 00:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:16975 00:40 dammmit titans at the castle thats dangerous 00:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "3 holy genocide", on T:17029 00:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:17029 00:43 you can't geno titans can you 00:45 <@princessSpicycat> can i change autopickup exceptions in an active game and have it stay? in nh 3.6 3.7 ish 00:46 yes 00:46 you can modify them in a submenu at the end of options 00:47 <@princessSpicycat> yay thanks 00:47 <@princessSpicycat> i don't know why i had candles on autopickup 00:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Kni Hum Fem Law), 89859 points, T:11267, killed by a xorn 00:53 waaaaay 00:53 0:3 castle wand 00:53 i got so many wishes this game its sillly 00:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:17527 00:59 <@princessSpicycat> what were the earlier ones? 01:01 a fountain 01:01 and magic lamps 01:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "cursed marker", on T:17741 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) destroyed nekochan's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:12009 01:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Mal Neu) wished for "marker", on T:17760 01:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Bar Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:5967 01:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) rejected atheism by offering monkey corpses on an altar of Mog, on T:3758 01:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:18044 01:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:18163 01:20 @princessSpicycat late but I think it might've been a reflex from prepping for the invocation perhaps? 01:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a stout spear entrusted to her by Mog, on T:4695 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12639 01:32 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:18860 01:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:18861 01:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:6735 01:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 454 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:19137 01:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:7201 01:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Traveler, on T:50291 01:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 322 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:19522 01:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:19897 01:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:19898 02:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:20287 02:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:23581 02:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:9352 02:09 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 02:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:24055 02:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a curved sword entrusted to her by Mog, on T:10290 02:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu), 39483 points, T:11065, killed by a honey badger, while fainted from lack of food 02:22 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 286 points, T:293, killed by a dwarf queen 02:23 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 4 points, T:25, killed by a crossbow bolt 02:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:20634 02:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:20635 02:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:20657 02:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:20916 02:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:20925 02:35 Hmm, the zombie ate my brains, and I felt deathly sick? I thought that didn't happen if you're wearing a helm? 02:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:20997 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] ToneRobin (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34042 02:39 !tell K2 how often do zombies bite your brain while you're wearing a helmet? 02:39 I'm on it, bug_sniper. 02:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:21704 02:45 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:46 lol luxidream 02:46 i just realised if you dont care about turns and you have teleitis/TC on ascension run you can just 100. to wait til tele triggers 02:46 its super easy 02:46 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 2119 points, T:1665, killed by a bolt of fire, while frozen by a potion 02:47 Gnome-with-a-wand in the mines. 02:47 arahael: F 02:47 New game again - but this time in vanilla. 02:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1101 02:55 Flipped minetown! 02:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:23149 02:56 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:23263 02:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "holy ring of conflict", on T:23279 02:59 │You kill the invisible watchman! Welcome to experience level 6 <-- Why didn't I get the "you murderer" penalty? 03:01 you're chaotic 03:01 * arahael has blown his mind. 03:02 So that means that if I had protection, I wouldn't have lost it, and all that? Wow. What if I were to kill an aligned priest? That'd still loose the prot, right? 03:03 only if they're coaligned I think 03:04 Fascinating. 03:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:23791 03:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:23847 03:06 chaotic is quite nice! 03:07 it's weird that law and neu have essentially the same rules 03:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:23859 03:07 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Val Hum Fem Neu), 1235782 points, T:23879, ascended 03:08 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aoei/nethack/dumplog/1607793919.nh.html 03:08 sweet 03:09 gz 03:09 wonder how fast that was overall 03:09 in realtime 03:09 probably better than the 8 hours orc wiz lol 03:10 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 03:11 ayyy 4h 45m 03:11 that's a bit better lol 03:12 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/744255590385319976/789038531636625408/5_minutes_of_spicycat.webm 03:12 not like stenno or lux level obviously 03:12 but 03:12 one of my best times ever it hink 03:12 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:13 now do it with another role ! 03:13 kay which one 03:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 4597 points, T:1643, killed by a dagger 03:13 spicycebolla: i ascended with a +2 longsword lol 03:13 !rng pri wiz mon tou ran 03:13 spicycebolla: ran 03:13 that one! 03:13 ehhhh 03:13 ran feels like it'd be annoying to speedrun 03:14 !rng pri wiz mon tou 03:14 spicycebolla: wiz 03:15 idk 03:15 maybe mon or tou 03:15 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 03:15 or i guess i could try orc wiz again and not suck at it 03:16 spicycebolla: lol, castle wand was still 1:2 03:19 aoei: Not sucking is key. ;) 03:19 looooool arahael 03:20 what went wrong with your orc wizards aoei? just got real unlucky? 03:21 nah i just took 8 hours to ascend 03:21 almost 9 even 03:21 also demogorgon happened 03:21 still cant believe i escaped alive 03:21 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:22 oh yeah I remember that, that was epic 03:24 * arahael still remembers his first battle with demo. 03:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1047 03:27 eeeee orctown 03:27 so much for shops and protection 03:27 wat do 03:27 probably retreat lol 03:28 aoei: You could still sac on that altar, it's a good altar as any. 03:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 734 points, T:1289, killed by a grid bug, while frozen by a monster's gaze 03:28 arahael: im well aware 03:28 ok died anyway 03:28 arahael: but i wasn't ready to kill all those orcs 03:28 and arc is good for prot racket bc gems and money 03:30 aoei: Yeah, but once you hit orctown, that was extremely unlikely. 03:30 yeah that was my point lol 03:30 Heh. :) 03:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1180 03:38 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:40 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:42 Oh GG aoei! 03:43 thx 03:45 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 03:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1515 points, T:2892, killed by a snake 03:49 oops 03:50 rip ascension strik 03:51 and it just had to be a snake too... 03:51 lol 03:51 that was already the seconed Arc splat lol 03:51 i ain't much of a streaker 03:52 oh aoei does that mean you ascended while I was asleep? *streichelstreichel* congratulations!! ♥ 03:52 yea in < 5h total playtime 03:52 thx 03:53 wow, that's crazy fast (or at least way faster than my fastest vanilla asc) 03:54 ooh, congrats aoei! 03:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (orcs), on T:1126 03:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1314 03:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 703 points, T:1389, killed by a hill orc 03:56 blah 04:01 F 04:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:15455 04:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Sam Hum Fem Law), 920 points, T:689, killed by a bolt of cold 04:08 <@p0werm0de> dang i just realized the silver dragon scale i got from wish wasnt scale mail yet!! and now i stand in the midst of a battle while i could have easily more AC 04:11 lol rip, it happens 04:13 on that note anyone collect 1 of each color dragon scales or is it just me 04:14 i used to collect the extra ones Umby 04:14 but then i realised i have better things to do 04:14 like ascend 04:15 lul hush 04:15 at least try ascending with a full set 04:15 i've ascended with non standard DSMs on occasion tho lol 04:15 such as o: 04:15 like orange DSM during tnnt 04:15 with my tourist lol 04:16 tbh green probably would have been better 04:16 cuz i only had the ring for PR 04:16 lol 04:16 sleep res not that important 04:17 just hit XL20 4Head 04:17 and I mean yeah, true, but only because the game throws an absolute assload of elves at you 04:18 i was vegan 04:19 what i mean is that sleep traps rarely kill you 04:19 lack of PR is a low level but persistent risk of instadeath 04:19 i wore PR ring most of the time but sometimes swapped it out lol 04:20 elenmirie_: i ascended my human valk with a blessed rustproof +2 longsword 04:20 proving that artifact weapons are totally unnecessary 04:20 yay! 04:20 can't get excal as neutral and couldn't be arsed to sac for mojo 04:21 was about to ask why, heh 04:21 coulda wished up grays maybe or something but meh, didnt really need to 04:21 i did have it more enchanted than +2 for much of the game 04:21 but i was playing fast and meleed disenchanters 04:21 did that twice 04:22 but only re-enchanted the first time 04:22 lol 04:23 I mean your skill can easily close that non-artifact gap 04:23 right 04:23 Expert with strength bonuses and enchantment etc. 04:23 i didn't even #twoweapon 04:23 but if you do, two enchanted longswords is crazy damage 04:23 lol 04:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:16150 04:24 elenmirie_: i lost loads of time between soko and castle tho 04:24 because some twat nymph stole my boh and then read cursed tele 04:24 ouch 04:24 yea 04:24 that was annoying 04:24 YANI: once encountered in a shop, objects are approximately price ID'd as valuable, cheap, expensive prefixed to their name 04:25 tho i would have found her sooner if i hadn't done a full search of the possible uncontrolled levport range without telepathy 04:25 eventually i realised i could just poly to mmf 04:25 for telepathy 04:25 and then when id id taht i saw a floating eye and got it as a perma instrinsic too 04:25 but yeah took me ages to find her and get the bag back 04:26 so enraging 04:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:16161 04:26 woot nice one elenmirie_ 04:26 elenmirie_: aw did you just save 04:27 yeah 04:27 just thinking 04:27 good place to take a break i suppose 04:27 I fell in the water stupidly 04:27 elenmirie_: oof 04:27 i did that at one point with my valk but luckily didn't lose anything important 04:27 not too bad, but I lost my 2 blessed scrolls of charging, so I may need another marker 04:27 elenmirie_: i wonder how fast i might have done that one if it weren't for that pesky nymph :/ 04:28 lol i had 3 pre-castle wishes in my last game 04:28 and a 0:3 castle wand it was still 1:2 when i ascended 04:28 nice 04:28 I still have a couple in the wand 04:28 two magic lamps and my first blessed smoky gave a wish too 04:28 oh no that was another game with the smokey wish 04:28 nice 04:28 that was teamsplay 04:28 but i got a fountain one too 04:28 heh 04:28 two magic lamps and a fountain wish 04:29 actually i had 3 magic lamps but one was a dud lol 04:29 I didn't get any wishes pre castle this time 04:29 got an angry djinn 04:29 so did the castle with no MR 04:29 elenmirie_: i was slightly worried when i had 2 titans at the castle 04:29 but i took them out 04:29 oog 04:29 it was ok 04:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +5 ogresmasher", on T:4300 04:31 crud I don't know gold detection 04:31 ah 04:31 it doesn't have a high ink cost 04:32 if you have a surplus of scrolls and max luck you could try to write it 04:32 no surplus of scrolls 04:32 :( 04:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 04:32 yeah you'd want about 5 scrolls for a good chance 04:32 I think I'll use a wish 04:32 just because I can 04:32 yea i did that for holy geno 04:32 i got 3 of them hehe 04:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) wished for "3 uncursed scrolls of gold detection", on T:16168 04:33 FNORD 04:33 elenmirie_: im still inventory faffing more than i'd like to 04:33 but i did a lot better 04:33 that gaem 04:33 yeah, sub 5 hours is great 04:34 thats only 45 minutes more than my 343 record in fact 04:34 4 hours 45 min 04:35 elenmirie_: huh. i just looked at my stats without fiiltering for just vanilla 04:35 i also have a weirdly fast unnethack ascension 04:35 which i dont quite believe 04:35 I think there's something going on there 04:35 yeah there might be lol 04:35 I noticed someone else had a weirdly fast one, hothraxxa I think 04:36 2h 47min is an unnethack asc 04:36 is my* 04:36 or one of my* 04:36 and i dont think i was really that quick lol 04:36 I only have one, and I remember it, and it was in no way shape or form a quick game 04:36 unnethack does realtime differently 04:36 i think there is a realtime turn cap 04:37 what does that mean, stenno? 04:37 stenno: can you explain how that works? 04:37 like each turn will count at most x seconds 04:37 oh, ok 04:38 so if you are idle for longer, it just gets capped 04:38 huh. interesting 04:38 that would cancel out my bad habit of staring at the screen 04:38 lol 04:38 yes same here haha 04:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha) had a silver war hammer entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:5324 04:38 even when i said i was going to realtime speedrun 04:38 so it would basically be counting only the time you're actually playing, as in using turns 04:39 i idled for half an hour at some stage 04:39 (not this last game, another one) 04:39 not the 567 times you look at the contents of your bag or whatever 04:39 in which case, that's an interesting metric 04:40 elenmirie_: right, and if you smash keys fast and use a lot of turns very quickly, your time can be faster than the cap 04:40 but if you fall asleep it stops counting 04:40 yeah 04:40 that's kinda cool 04:41 elenmirie_: lol did i tell you about how i put all these bindkeys in my rcfile, only to find out later i just replicated the defaults 04:42 no 04:42 that was because i did the bindkeys first 04:42 and then it still didnt' work 04:42 until i enabled altmeta 04:42 but i only learned much later that there are loads of # shortcuts already available if you switch on altmeta 04:42 and nearly all of the ones i put in my config were the same as the default lol 04:43 hm 04:43 like alt+l for loot, alt+u for untrap 04:43 alt+p for pray 04:43 [hdf-au] [ndnh] PeachMuffin (Brd Gno Mal Neu), 280 points, T:954, killed by a brown mold 04:43 oh, right 04:43 that's useful 04:43 yeh it seems faster to me 04:43 I'll have to look into that 04:43 ohhhh 04:43 i will add one of my custom ones back in tho 04:43 :M-k kick 04:43 that's not set by default 04:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:16201 04:48 :o 04:51 <@microlance> ooh, tele control on the first tengu in the mines, now i just must hope i wont get any more artis so i can still get ring of phul 04:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] bezaban (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1990 04:55 nice microlance 04:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:9 05:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:16450 05:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:16454 05:04 <@microlance> im very not sure if i can do the rat king as a non flying illithid 05:04 <@microlance> the mana problems are also very bad 😭 05:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 14167 points, T:9044, killed by a blast of disintegration 05:07 <@microlance> gotta see if that was a real one, he shot alot at me 05:07 you can lure them so you aren't in the filth probably 05:08 oh 05:08 rip 05:08 <@microlance> nope 05:08 <@microlance> it was shapeshifter 05:09 <@microlance> or its my hally i dont know 05:10 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 05:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:17231 05:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 28 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:17239 05:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 11 points, T:104, killed by a jackal 05:16 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 05:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 1096 points, T:1923, killed by Mr. Inuvik; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 05:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6383 05:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 141 points, T:304, killed by a dwarf 05:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:18090 05:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 55 points, T:186, killed by a falling rock 05:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha) stole 9188 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kiltamagh's second-hand bookstore, on T:1130 05:30 aoei: #define MAX_IDLE_TIME_IN_SECONDS 60 05:30 bhaak: aha 05:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 510 points, T:1210, killed by invisible Ms. Kiltamagh; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 05:31 aoei: although I'm not sure if this is really working correctly. there have been many reports on doubtful times. but I have postponed checking it for years :) 05:31 bhaak: yeah fair enough 05:32 i also don't think I am in favour of this way of measuring it imho 05:32 aoei: for a server like hdf it's not even that important. as that will force a save after an idle time. it might be easier just removing it 05:32 hm yea 05:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 455 points, T:1036, killed by a giant ant 05:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Bar Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:6824 05:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:18337 05:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +2 magicbane", on T:2989 05:52 <@microlance> i hope i get as far as to see how cool a +2 magicbane and a butcher would be 05:52 stenno: i realisd on asc run if my char doesnt have a lot of power and i have TC/tele rings on, just waiting for the random trigger is cheap in RT, even tho it costs many turns hehe 05:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:18744 05:52 yes 05:53 polymorph ring is also much more useful for RT strats for the same reason i guess 05:54 gogogo elenmirie_ 05:55 stenno: do you think most of your thoughts verbally with an inner monologue (probably sounding like your voice?) 05:55 uh, wut 05:55 idk 05:56 im asking everyone this lately haha 05:57 its a mini servey on perception of conscious thought you could say 05:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:18892 05:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:38664 05:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class g, on T:18920 06:02 stenno: the followup to that first bit is whether you also imagine other people's voices if you are imagining having a conversation with them, or if you can imagine the voices of certain peopel at will generally? 06:03 i sometimes imagine having conversations with others 06:03 Do tulpas count? 06:04 like when i prepare for a business meeting 06:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:19052 06:04 Andrio: i think they may be related in a sense 06:04 i wonder how the conversation might go 06:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 12427 points, T:4214, killed by a dwarf lady 06:04 but tulpas go a bit further than this 06:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:19059 06:04 I think so also. 06:05 i also started to realise everyone on IRC has a unique voice in my head 06:05 even tho most of them will be nothing like kthe real voice 06:05 lol 06:05 mm~ 06:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9384 06:07 i thought this is normal preparation for an important talk 06:07 stenno: yeah i think you're more likely to do that for that kind of thing 06:07 considering what the other person might ask or say 06:07 but im not just asking about the practice of simulating conversations 06:07 im asking how they sound in your head 06:07 do you heard the other party's voice 06:07 for their part of the conversation 06:08 hm 06:08 idk, not neccessarily i'd say? 06:08 strange question 06:08 i often will 06:08 and i can also deliberately imagine voices of people i know well quite clearly in my head 06:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:19110 06:08 like my brother and sisters for example 06:08 well yeah 06:08 this comes under voluntary mindvoice 06:09 the other thign tho is involuntary 06:09 where your inner monologue adopts the voice of somebody else 06:09 this often happens to me after i visit a friend and spend a lot of time talking to them 06:09 i go home and hear my thoughts in their voice for a while lol 06:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] elenmirie (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1538580 points, T:19131, ascended 06:11 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/e/elenmirie/nethack/dumplog/1608028283.nh.html 06:12 wooot congrats elenmirie_ 06:12 ty 06:12 gotta wait about 8 minutes to see your time 06:13 yeah 06:13 unless 06:14 not sure how I did with that one, there was some faffing about 06:14 i changed it to every five min again lol 06:14 so more like 2 minutes now 06:14 k 06:14 but I think I was pretty good about not idling 06:14 saved loads 06:16 5:36 06:17 nice! 06:17 ah looks like you did best with the barbie tho 06:17 5:13 06:18 yeah 06:18 and that one did have some idling mistakes 06:18 hm 06:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 1486 points, T:2175, killed by Ms. Htargcm; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 06:18 anyway now that's done i can pause the updates for a bit to try and sort a few things 06:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una), 1287 points, T:2260, killed by an invisible dwarf 06:37 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:37 oh grats elenmirie_ ! 06:37 thanks! 06:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Orc Fem Cha) stole 4325 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Wonotobo's general store, on T:1619 06:41 gratz elenmirie_ !! 06:41 thank you! 06:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 4733 points, T:1925, quit 06:45 btw, I was looking around nethackscoreboard.org and thought it'd be nice to see if an ascension is the first for that player. 06:46 that's a nice idea 06:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2424 points, T:1891, killed by a giant cockroach 07:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] wvc (Bar Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed The Master Key of Thievery", on T:11714 07:02 yeah I thought so, first ascensions are special :) 07:02 totes 07:02 i am adding it to the todo list lol 07:04 :D 07:06 Merlek: I thought that yesterday you'd managed to do some insane 1h30m game 07:06 but I guess it was an older game on the us server 07:06 because you'd ascended then 1h30 later you ascended again :P 07:07 hah 07:07 haha nah, world record speed run :D 07:07 yeah, had a few games running :) 07:08 i do that sometimes lol 07:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una), 2404 points, T:3429, killed by a giant mosquito 07:11 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 07:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Mal Law), 358 points, T:539, killed by a water moccasin 07:17 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 07:17 -!- 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08:06 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 318 points, T:628, killed by a dwarf 08:10 but that involves signing up for an account 08:10 an impossible task indeed :( 08:15 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 106 points, T:617, killed by a fox 08:24 -!- winter88 has joined #hardfought 08:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Kni Hum Fem Law), 353 points, T:723, killed by a crossbow bolt 08:33 hrm i have forgotten some alts i was meaning to link on the nhs 08:33 one was an alt of spleen 08:33 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 08:33 and one was an alt of Luxidream maybe? 08:34 lmao stenno do you really have an alt called PogChamp 08:34 yes 08:34 loool 08:34 nice 08:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1983 08:40 aosdict: in unrelated news, I have a simple POC for the main component for the infinite dungeon branch. it was actually simple after I realized that this is basically the mysterious force with non persistent levels. 08:41 https://nethack-yanis.github.io/yanis/2845.html 08:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu), 2329 points, T:2675, quit 08:42 I go for the "portal on VotD to enter and exit, downstairs to go down" 08:43 approach. that means on the first level, you can nop out quickly if you came across it accidentally but on deeper levels, you need to find the portal 08:43 how small a chance are you thinking for the wand drops? 08:44 no clue so far :-) 08:45 all players with nick starting 'ao' should get first room wand of wishing 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu), 522 points, T:1298, killed by a crossbow bolt 08:47 I'm not even sure if you should be able to get experience on this branch? 08:47 worried about people grinding for levels? 08:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1290 08:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (krakens), on T:422 08:48 no death drops means that the players should be desperate to go in there, so it should be a bit painful 08:48 if someone wants to spend 50k turns derping around grinding for xp I don't see a problem with that 08:48 the xp curve is nasty 08:48 not worried but farming experience would not be the main point for the branch :) 08:48 in unnethack there is no need to grind levels, is there? 08:48 idk, not played it :^) 08:49 in vanilla, the quest level limitation is also the only reason for grinding experience 08:49 -!- winter88 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:49 yeah then there's 0 point doing more, so I don't see a problem with it giving xp 08:50 unless the more dangerous monsters are very generous with xp? 08:50 the portal to it would be placed in the VotD, so the game is basically over already :) 08:51 so yeah, there is probably no reason to not gain experience 08:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1273 points, T:1571, killed by a magic missile 09:04 -!- winter88 has joined #hardfought 09:06 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 09:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:23444 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed wintergalaxy88's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:3257 09:12 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 09:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Big Room, on T:23849 09:16 -!- winter88 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:17 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 09:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Hum Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:23933 09:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2822 09:21 -!- spicycebolla has quit [Quit: spicycebolla] 09:22 -!- spicycebolla has joined #hardfought 09:23 amateurhour: you should try un! it's the *quietly good* variant 09:24 unnethack is fun 09:24 K2: Message from bug_sniper at 2020-12-17 02:39 EST: how often do zombies bite your brain while you're wearing a helmet? 09:27 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 09:27 !tell bug_sniper depends on what you're wearing on your head. hard helmet blocks zombie head bite 75% of the time, soft hat 50% of the time 09:27 I'm on it, K2. 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:15242 09:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu), 114478 points, T:8963, killed by a lightning paraelemental 09:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:15244 09:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 113 points, T:442, killed by a goblin 09:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 132468 points, T:26422, killed by a jabberwock 09:30 i think i've figured out the point of dragon caves; since wishing for DSM doesn't work so good, the caves exist so you can go "earn" DSM when your character is strong enough 09:30 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 09:31 anyone have a solid guess what Ruins of Moria and Sheol are for? 09:31 i think black market and town are straightforward enough, people like shopping 09:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:24616 09:32 spicycebolla, they are just extra branches, purely optional 09:32 <@luxidream> Sheol has a marker 09:32 and a crystal pick axe 09:33 oh, and you can't wish for markers 09:33 <@luxidream> Ruins of Moria has a lamp and mithril coats 09:33 so you go to sheol forit 09:33 both are challenging 09:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:61213 09:33 lux: post that comic you made of a genie! 09:33 <@luxidream> Wait you can’t wish for markers 09:33 <@luxidream> Not even with the wow 09:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:61215 09:33 UnNetHack updated (all servers) 09:33 oh maybe you can, i just assumed not 09:33 cuz markers are magic 09:34 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wish#UnNetHack 09:34 <@luxidream> Yeah you can get it from a wow 09:34 <@luxidream> Just by from genies 09:34 <@luxidream> Here’s the meme 09:34 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/789138498326233108/image0.png 09:35 hah 09:35 lol 09:38 thanks for the meme 09:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] bezaban (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3477 09:39 bhaak: I think a branch whose only purpose is to give extremely uncommon wands of wishing is kinda designed for grinding 09:40 @luxidream pfft, no wishing for death? any nethack character worth their salt should know how to get around THAT one 09:40 ditto for no bringing back dead people 09:41 wish for a wand of undead turning 09:41 \o/ 09:41 <@luxidream> That’s just part of the template 09:41 its from the movie aladin 09:41 :P 09:41 <@luxidream> As you know you can literally wish for death in nethack 09:41 what I don't get is it implies you can't wish for an uncursed fireproof magic marker 09:41 <@luxidream> In unnethack you can’t 09:41 aosdict have you never seen aladin? 09:42 <@luxidream> not from a genie at least 09:42 K2: of course I have, but since the genie isn't blue and doesn't have the same rules as that genie I didn't see it as a reference to that 09:42 * K2 sighs 09:43 * aosdict pokes K2 with an obtuse angle 09:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) became Venus' Envoy of Balance, on T:29556 09:45 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=iYhYzqqs8pQ 09:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 3574 points, T:2991, killed by a gnome, while frozen by a potion 09:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 30 points, T:60, killed by a sewer rat, while dragging an iron ball 09:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:39116 09:54 [hdf-us] [nh4] Zoe (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 32030 points, T:2423, killed by a rothe 10:01 spicycebolla: yes, the dragon caves are the only way of getting the chromatic dsm (other than the role specific death drop from tiamat). although by that point in the game, they aren't worth that much anymore. 10:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Orc Fem Cha), 2042 points, T:2367, killed by Ms. Htargcm; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 10:01 if the caves ever get moved about, I would need to assess their difficulty. 10:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 6 points, T:223, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food 10:02 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:02 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hob Fem Cha), 4 points, T:33, killed by a copper dart 10:02 maybe even nerf the chromatic scales a bit. like cursed ones only providing a random resistance "your chromatic dragon scale mail shimmers reddish" :-) 10:04 or buff the other dsms like fiqhack 10:04 chromatic gives you all the base resistances but not the other buffs 10:04 the more I think about game design in nethack, the more it is about getting the player to burn through their resources by showing them something they think they need when they actually don't 10:04 <{Demo}> unnethack is hard 10:05 <@luxidream> bhaak: the dragon caves are a large source of resources like healing potions 10:05 <@luxidream> so I don't see how it fits in this case 10:05 @luxidream thanks, inb4 nerf 10:05 i always go for chromatic dsm 10:05 <{Demo}> bleh it has autoexplore 10:05 <{Demo}> how do you get chromatic dsm? 10:05 <{Demo}> and why isnt it op as fuck? 10:05 even if i dont get it, the gear you collect along the way is worth the effort 10:06 <@luxidream> even if you remove healing potions from every dragon in the branch, I still don't see how it consumes player resources to get chromatic dsm 10:06 {Demo}: I wonder why all the flak for "auto-play-the-game-for-me mode" gets put on me for implementing paranoid options and not on variants that have implemented autoexplore 10:06 @luxidream I never said that I correctly balanced it already :-) 10:06 <{Demo}> autoexplore is stupidly dangerous 10:07 <{Demo}> i dont wanna typo and activate it 10:07 <{Demo}> i need paranoide autoexplore 10:07 <{Demo}> " You smell chocolate!" they added toilets in unnethack? 10:07 <@luxidream> well then ideally dragon caves would need to be sheol 2 10:08 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:08 {Demo}: BIND=v:versionshort 10:08 <{Demo}> thanks 10:08 there's might be an option to unset a keybinding but I'm not sure 10:10 <{Demo}> i got a candy bar 10:10 oh i wasn't even thinking specifically about chromatic DSM. i was just thinking "can't earlygame wish for DSM, dragoncaves exist, they must be the intended route for DSM" 10:10 {Demo}: try again on the 24th 10:11 {Demo}: the chromatic dsm is not op as fuck as it is not guaranteed to be in the game and by the time you can get it, you have most resistances already anyway. it opens up a few slots though for other armor options. 10:12 <@luxidream> does it give mr now? 10:12 <{Demo}> yeah it does 10:12 <{Demo}> why am i so bad at unnethack? 10:12 spicycebolla: you can wish for them with a wow. even if you haven't identified the dragons yet, you can use their proper names but of course the effect is randomized 10:14 i think ... 10:15 scales are non-magical so you can already wish for them? 10:16 oh, weird 10:18 guess i assumed resistances to magical effects come from magical items 10:18 the scales are produced naturally, just being the skin of dragons, where the dsm are produced by magic 10:18 that's at lest the rationale cited in the code in vanilla 10:21 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 10:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 3897 points, T:4688, killed by a mumak 10:26 <{Demo}> how does un nerf mjolnir? 10:27 [hdf-us] [spl] spicycat (Car Dwa Fem Law), 4787 points, T:6156, killed by a sonic beam 10:27 I think it doesn't 10:29 <@luxidream> !lastgame spicycat 10:29 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spicycat/splicehack/dumplog/1607769964.splice.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/spicycat/dnethack/dumplog/1593441329.dnh.txt 10:29 <{Demo}> "The leprechaun drinks a sparkling potion! The leprechaun looks completely healed" the intervariant council frowns upon this 10:29 <{Demo}> sparkling potions MUST be amnesia 10:29 <{Demo}> its bad for intervariant memory for it to be any other way 10:30 <{Demo}> 2 sacs, 2 gifts 10:32 lux: i got bit by a werewolf, so i took my armor off, and died to killer bees. shoulda teleported again but for some reason i stood and fought after the first tele went poorly 10:32 lol I remember how KoboldLord complained about the sparkling potion in his Let's Play Unnethack, then found out it wasn't amnesia, and decided to keep the rant anyway :P 10:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3538 10:33 haha 10:33 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 10:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:3913 10:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4170 10:36 <@the_eternal_paradox> EXCUSE ME HOW 10:36 <@the_eternal_paradox> WHAT 10:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Gia Fem Cha), 3409 points, T:4039, killed by an owlbear 10:36 <@the_eternal_paradox> HOW DID I JUST CASUALLY PICK UP A WAND OF WISHING IN THE GNOMISH MINES 10:36 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/789154104156749915/Screen_Shot_2020-12-17_at_10.36.00_AM.png 10:36 gratz :) 10:37 YASD incoming in 5 ... 4 ... 10:37 <@the_eternal_paradox> better make sure no lightning hits me before I recharge this 10:37 (0:0)? a bones file? 10:37 first wish wasn't for charging 10:37 and it was (0:1) 10:37 <@the_eternal_paradox> yeah oops 10:37 <@the_eternal_paradox> gonna find charging later 10:38 yeah it's still a great outcome 10:38 aosdict: Re: the infinite dungeon branch grinding. it seems so but with no death drops and no items generated on the level, the player will burn through resources. getting exp and possibly a wow for it. 10:40 <@luxidream> would people really grind that long enough to find a wow 10:40 <@luxidream> sounds like suffering 10:40 <@the_eternal_paradox> I didn't 10:40 <@the_eternal_paradox> I literally just hopped into the mines and then accidentally picked up a glass wand 10:40 <@luxidream> or is there some generation buff to wow in that branch 10:40 <@luxidream> I'm talking about bhaak's proposal 10:40 <@luxidream> lucky wand though 😄 10:41 <@the_eternal_paradox> caught in a magic trap and tried to zap it as an attack wand and then "you may wish for something"! 10:41 @luxidream yeah, that would be the theme of the branch. you wouldn't go there unless you were desperate for a wow. the idea is to up to the chances for a wow depending on how many levels you've visited but the actual numbers are up for discussion. 10:42 https://nethack-yanis.github.io/yanis/2845.html that's the basic gist from the original discussion 10:42 @the_eternal_paradox: why did you not ID it at acquisition? 10:42 <@the_eternal_paradox> I was busy killing the inhabitants 10:43 <@luxidream> i think you already give the player enough items in the black market 10:43 i play unnethack expecting the wow to be 1:1 10:43 <@luxidream> if this is to assuage complaints about the nerfed wow 10:43 Single charges on early wands aren't usually so valuable, I almost always do initial wand identification with a zap (unless for some reason I can't take any risk at all) 10:43 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:32270 10:43 What needs to be nerfed are blessed smoky potions 10:44 in unnh? 10:44 Sorry, talking variant-agnostic 10:44 "in general" 10:44 <@luxidream> no those aren't overpowered 10:45 Had a stack of 30 in my last EvilHack game -- luckily every last one of the wishes evaded my grasp :-) 10:46 Their overpoweredness varies depending on what potion they randomly end up as at the start of the game. Which jonadab might consider a problem. 10:46 krm26; thus they should be nerfed? 10:46 <@luxidream> stack of 30 would be a 91% chance of a wish 10:46 <@luxidream> in the best case scenario 10:46 It is pretty simple to polypile a huge stack of them is all 10:46 <@the_eternal_paradox> it's annoying if it's full healing 10:47 <@the_eternal_paradox> it's annoying in a different way if it's hallucination 10:47 My last time it was energy, had so much useless convict power 10:48 hm. i almost never poly potions 10:48 I think non-wand wishes should decrease in probability -- N% for the first, then N/2 or root of N or whatever, etc 10:48 <{Demo}> what are you doing that you have that many potions? 10:48 Walking through the dungeon I guess 10:48 they do if they involve djinni 10:49 (I do have very slow runs) 10:51 What are the triggers for antagonizing a peaceful demon prince wandering around? I accidentally Yeenoghued myself on L4, wondering if he's going to try to eat me when I show up with the amulet 10:52 @luxidream it's more about having an additional branch with a cool gimmick. the wow is not guaranteed and after the player picked one up there would be no other wow generated, ever. possibly even destroying the portal when passing back through it 10:53 it would still be 1:x though, and no castle wand is that right? 10:54 <@luxidream> oh castle wand would be removed? 10:54 luxidream what was your alt account 10:54 <@luxidream> luxidream2 10:54 on nao or on here? 10:55 no no that can't be it, that's too obvious 10:55 <@luxidream> nao 10:55 kk 10:56 hothraxxa: no, the castle wand would stay. but how many players would go for it if for example, the chances of getting a wow is 50:50 after going through 30 levels? 10:57 <@luxidream> I guess it's kind of like the ziggurat branch in dcss 10:57 <@luxidream> where you do a gauntlet of very tough fights in exchange for possible loot 10:58 somewhat, yes 10:58 well i've adjusted to playing unnh without expecting much from wishes, so i doubt i'd go for it 10:58 -!- winter88 has joined #hardfought 10:58 obviously also a new achievement in junethack. but don't let that influence your opinion 10:59 <@luxidream> I guess it also depends on the difficulty and number of monsters on each floor 10:59 bhaak: would there be a minumum number of levels before the chance of a wow rises above 0% 10:59 in my last game i polyed away three magic lamps because not much use for them really 11:00 i used one for 3 cockatrice eggs because rodney 11:00 <@luxidream> fourk has massive rooms filled with loot and monsters that are almost certainly not worth the time to clear out 11:00 oh god 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5139 11:00 i oncew accidnetally opened a fourk room that had a gazillion dragons 11:00 i wound up genociding dragons 11:00 <@luxidream> how'd that go 11:01 i'm not sure that grinding is a cool gimmick 11:01 <@luxidream> lolol that's one way to deal with it 11:01 @luxidream it would be an unlit, open area, with ... erm ... not yet defined monsters. but you don't have to fight them all to go down to the next level 11:01 variant tierlists when 11:01 <@luxidream> the thing about ziggurat is it's challenging and potentially deadly 11:01 <@luxidream> so I feel like this branch should be the same 11:02 aosdict: I haven't thought about that. but with a low enough probability it would be not much different from that 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:5250 11:02 <@luxidream> it would be interesting if genocide were ignored in the branch, or if it had custom monsters 11:02 one idea was to max up level difficulty within the branch 11:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Ran Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1371 11:03 the fleecy bundlebundledundle monster hits! you are teleported into slex. 11:03 that would generate monsters you usually don't encounter much in your low exp ascensions 11:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14136 11:06 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:06 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:43755 11:09 \o/ 11:11 Displacer beasts are a great new mechanic addition 11:11 @luxidream there's also the idea floating around to cut down gehennom at some future point. make it a lot shorter 11:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:5944 11:13 I think it would be interesting if "entering Gehennom" just Hellified all the preexisting levels and you ascended through it -- wiping out your stashes, altars, etc. of course, and replacing a few boring levels entirely with demon prince lairs. The Sanctum would be L1. 11:13 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 11:13 Like the idea of abandoning the first half of the dungeon to limit resources 11:14 K2: do you remember telling someone to ask me to group their alts on the scoreboard 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:18067 11:14 And then the warning about entering Gehennom would be a *real* warning :-) 11:14 no 11:14 damn me either 11:14 i mean i think they said you pointed them my way 11:14 but i dont remember their nicks now lol 11:15 krm26, so entering gehennom is like going through the portal to the planes 11:15 Yes 11:16 technically speaking gehennom/hell is another plane of existience 11:16 It would partly reuse the existing dungeon 11:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3068 11:16 Like Gehennom encroached on it 11:16 that's interesting 11:16 yeah thats a neat idea 11:16 And you would be ascending out of it 11:17 But other than the syntactic sugar, you would only have the prep you carried with you into Hell for the whole trip out 11:17 hah 11:17 Loss of altars, loss of stashes 11:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Ran Elf Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "n", on T:3299 11:17 you'd have to bring your stash with you 11:18 but yeah no more aligned altars 11:18 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:18 You probably could -- but it would be at the bottom, often in the current game you have a nice juicy stash sitting in the upper levels to pre-astral prep 11:18 most players would hate it :-) 11:18 that would mean to double prepare before entering gehennom 11:18 It would remove the Gehennom ascent chase with the Wizard entirely 11:18 kinda like Dante's trip through hell then back up thru purgatory then heaven 11:19 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:19 Since you would enter the planes form the Sanctum on 1 at the 'bottom' of hell 11:19 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2063 points, T:4314, killed by a giant mimic 11:19 nah, you'd still have to come back 'up' thru hell 11:19 to the portal where you entered 11:19 it then becomes the portal to the planes 11:20 * aoei sneakily groups Luxidream's accounts under her own nick while nobody's looking 11:20 could skin this cat a couple diff ways 11:20 My advice is to run the scoring system, like I do, then your record can be as good as you like. :-) 11:21 Pinkbeast: :) 11:21 <{Demo}> im undefeated 11:21 Demo has a perfect ratio in TNNT 2020 11:21 gehennom would be less boring if it was really short, very varied, and very dangerous 11:22 ^ 11:22 someone proposed if we add an asc ratio trophy, we adopt the dcss method of factoring in an assumed loss of the next game 11:22 if only there was a couple of variants that did that already :^) 11:22 so if you play and ascend 1 game, ratio is 50% 11:22 amateurhour: you can also make it a bit less boring by not wasting too much time there 11:23 yeah that's what I try to do 11:23 when i started i would like explore whole mazes and dig stuff with a pickaxe, clear all the levels top-down 11:24 but this is a total drag 11:24 amateurhour you know evilhack has plans for that for 0.7 right 11:24 maybe he's scared of evilhack like i am 11:25 he keeps going back to slex for some reason 11:25 its evil so its scary 11:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 688 points, T:1850, killed by a dwarf 11:25 yeah that i dont understand xD 11:25 (no offence amy :p) 11:25 its like the zealot priest whipping themselves with a cat o' 9 tails 11:25 K2 copy dnh's demogorgon for that fear factor 11:25 slex is fun :D but the next version will be even more fun, because in 2.69 I added the devnull subdungeons :P 11:25 huh 11:26 amateurhour: I'm a bit torn on what to do with gehennom because the implementations that make it shorter and mostly hand designed levels are popular, but on the other hand I really want to make a cool random generator for gehennom 11:26 you cant be cool AND popular 11:26 pick one 11:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 6815 points, T:4315, killed by a raven 11:27 pff aosdict can totally do it K2 11:27 nope 11:27 you're just projecting your limitations on others 11:27 be cool or be popular. not both 11:27 hey now 11:27 * K2 runs to his safe space 11:27 ᕕ( ᐛ )ᕗ 11:28 why not both aosdict 11:28 wait wait wait, am i not both cool and popular? 11:28 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:28 K2 knows he's either cool or popular but only one and isn't sure which 11:28 awww... i cant say 'bye!' to players anymore when i destroy them at chess (lichess.org) 11:29 aosdict: he's definitely one of them 11:29 hothraxxa: you are froody, which transcends all the rest 11:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 164 points, T:242, killed by a dagger 11:29 hothraxxa: you can be whatever you want if you put your mind to it and work hard ;o 11:29 is "lichess" the female form of lich? (new slex monster :P ) 11:29 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 11:30 amateurhour: because if you have a short gehennom mostly full of special levels, there's no point in making an interesting filler generator because there's not a lot of filler 11:30 aosdict: you make *one* random filler level 11:30 I mean incorporate snippets of handcrafted parts in it or something 11:30 but that filler will blow your mind every game 11:31 that's probably not worth it 11:31 making a whole generator for one level or parts of scattered levels 11:32 or really cut down the number of special levels but have a huge pool of them 11:32 i mean i was obviously kidding aosdict 11:32 Special levels can be partial, with parts randomly generated -- best of both worlds 11:33 it's funny that randomized dungeon length still messes with min score 11:33 It would be fun to have a portal to a special level where the portal level-ported each time it was used 11:34 We did something like that in the first networked multiplayer dungeon crawlers, where "stud rooms" would teleport around as they were hit 11:36 UGH, third random artifact sword just to prevent me from being able to wish up Dragonbane 11:36 Evilhack is truly evil 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:19013 11:36 if you play faster and wish earlier 11:37 you will have less artifacts in the game :4head: 11:37 fewer* 11:37 You exit the portal. You smell even worse than when you entered it. The portal feels incredibly sick. The portal vanishes! 11:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Merlek's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:19061 11:38 True, although I found Sunsword and Vorpal Blade lying on the ground of a room in the first quest level a long time before any potential wish access, and just got Werebane from Medusa's room...so... 11:38 !lastgame merlek 11:38 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Merlek/nethack/dumplog/1583898746.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/M/Merlek/nethack/dumplog/1608220092.nh.html 11:40 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 11:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 445 points, T:1560, killed by a giant bat 11:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Magician, on T:20659 11:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 217 points, T:683, killed by a goblin 11:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:52 i'm not here 11:52 this isn't happening 11:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 486 points, T:1360, killed by a grid bug, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:52 ffs.. 11:54 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:59 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) had a glass splint mail entrusted to her by Mog, on T:11294 12:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1238 points, T:1064, killed by a kitten 12:07 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Brd Inc Mal Neu), 213 points, T:297, killed by a hobbit 12:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed Orb of Fate", on T:66422 12:10 -!- mobileuser has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism by offering a cave spider corpse on an altar of Ptah, on T:4366 12:13 anyone ever deconcatenate a HDD from an optane M.2 cache drive (RAID configuration)? cuz i'm doing that now on an end users amchine and I don't have a warm and fuzzy about it 12:13 *machine 12:13 well i haven't K2 12:13 but good luck lol 12:13 :) 12:13 I understood half the words in that sentence 12:14 well I guess I know what a HDD is so a bit more than that 12:14 end user machine stopped booting up, it went straight to windows 10 repair screen 12:14 i know the words but im not sure i know that K2 is doing 12:14 repair tools did no good (as expected) 12:15 so now we're in recover data mode, whihc is sually fairly straight forward 12:15 *which 12:15 however, booting up to hirens boot disc (usb), it cant see the internal hdd on this machine 12:16 BECAUSE it's setup in RAID mode using an optane drive as a read ahead cache for the HDD 12:16 fml 12:16 didn't you say the other day that you have users in raid0 setup 12:16 no 12:16 i never said that 12:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Quicksilver", on T:451 12:17 maybe I misremembered 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu) destroyed nekochan's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:16091 12:17 i cant set ACHI mode in BIOS for the internal HDD until i can decouple the two volumes 12:18 the system bios allows for this whilst preserving user data - hahah fingers crossed 12:18 WHILST 12:18 fingers crossed 12:18 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 12:19 30 min in on a 2-3 hr process 12:20 amateurhour maybe you're remembering discuss about the array here at my work - its read-ahead cache is raid0 12:20 which is fine as nothing permanent is ever stores on that partition 12:20 stored 12:20 ah maybe that's what I'm remembering 12:20 or misremembering rather 12:20 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 12:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:3009 12:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3009 12:21 * spicycebolla assumehopes that ext4 is better enough than ntfs so that she doesn't *need* raid 12:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 666 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:20970 12:21 if you're talking about your personal computer you definitely don't need raid 12:21 oh my 12:21 <{Demo}> does the hdd even work? 12:22 amateurhour exactly 12:22 this system belongs to our COO, its his home computer and i'm trying to help him out before i go on holiday 12:22 I have a friend who swears for raid on his PC, has saved him from an HDD that suddenly died 12:22 it's too overkill for anything remotely normal, just get an ssd and do backups 12:22 ZFS is dope tho 12:22 its his personal home system, one of those HP all in ones 12:22 but 'course it doesn't replace backups 12:22 I'm playing with btrfs 12:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 746 points, T:1074, killed by a gnome lord 12:23 nabru raid1 would definitey save your data if one drive died 12:23 but i dont have it with like raid-like mirroring or anything because it makes no sense with only a 250GB SSD lol 12:23 raid0, you're screwed 12:23 yep 12:23 yeah there's no good reason for any normal system to use raid0 12:23 there is nothing on my laptop that isn't replacable or backed up somewhere on "le cloud" 12:23 <{Demo}> all ndnh development is done on a VM on a server that runs everything off a suicide array 12:23 especially with advent of ssd's 12:24 <{Demo}> not sure why the suicide array hasnt failed yet 12:24 can't zfs or btrfs just win already 12:24 then we can just use that one 12:24 <{Demo}> but its 3 500 gb HDDs that are like 10 years old with a stupid amount of hours on them in raid 0 12:24 spicycebolla: eh, i guess it will happen evetnually lol 12:25 spam them with reads Demo :) 12:25 uh writes 12:25 screw it do both 12:25 microsoft cant just say 'oh win10 will use btrfs now instead of ntfs' 12:25 esp in a domian environment 12:25 ZFS on Arch linux is super intuitive and easy to set up and not complicated at all 12:25 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:26 pfft we're talking about more sane operating systems K2 12:26 discussing different OS options isnt even remotely close to the scope of this discussion :) 12:26 I'm using btrfs on Fedora 12:26 sometimes i tell outright falsehoods 12:26 but i am using zfs on arch linux 12:26 that much is true 12:26 * Pinkbeast always tells the complete truth 12:26 oooh it finished 12:26 lets see if anything blows up 12:27 that really limits your comedy repertoir tho Pinkbeast 12:27 aoei: No, it doesn't - I'm inherently funny because I'm 500m tall 12:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 280 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:21276 12:27 lol! 12:27 <{Demo}> what a tall tale 12:27 i know some people who still use usb sticks that are fat32 12:28 spicycebolla: i still do sometimes hahahaa 12:28 one stores her book that she's writing on it 12:28 <{Demo}> my efi partition is fat32 :) 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:31066 12:28 {Demo}: yea mine too i think? 12:28 spicycebolla: I had a coworker which didn't have backups of his final project for college... guess what, one day his hard drive dies 12:28 he was lucky his advisor had a slightly older revision 12:28 nabru: oooooooh damn 12:28 people never learn to do their backups 12:28 i backed up my thesis obsessively 12:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:3684 12:29 multiple redundant backups too 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:21322 12:29 <{Demo}> i have to avoid totally giving into my paranoia 12:29 <{Demo}> its a struggle 12:29 i totally get it {Demo} 12:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class g, on T:21359 12:30 (ﾉ◕ヮ◕)ﾉ*:･ﾟ✧ 12:31 * K2 flexes 12:31 it worked. i'm in 12:31 backing up user data now 12:31 woot 12:31 enhance -- enhance -- enhance 12:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1306 12:31 <{Demo}> thank christ 12:32 <{Demo}> theres nothing like the feeling when the datas there and readable 12:32 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:32 tell me about it 12:33 i literally did this 12:33 \o/ 12:33 {Demo} one time i was distro hopping and accidentally enabled secure boot in my UEFI shit 12:33 and the bootable USB shit I wanted to use it wouldnt recognise as valid anymore 12:34 <{Demo}> u ever accidentally blast ur home directory on a box you've been using for a year and a half? 12:34 but i spent ages and could not get the reset shit to work in order to get into the settings and disable secure boot again 12:34 I once blasted my home directory while migrating stuff to a new HDD 12:34 i did exactly what they said on the laptop support website etc. 12:34 accidentally rm -rf'd the wrong thing 12:34 managed to recover most of it, though 12:34 luckily i eventually found another USB live OS thing that was signed or somehow treated as acceptable 12:35 which was a fedora one 12:35 that was a relief lol 12:35 Last place I worked had a NetApp, cloned offsite, all the works; someone still managed to keep their thesis on their laptop which then exploded 12:35 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 12:35 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:31210 12:40 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:44089 12:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:70173 12:44 Does Grayswandir break perma-hallucinate conduct? 12:45 pretty sure it does 12:45 yes 12:45 si 12:46 does overworld break permablind 12:46 yeah 12:46 da 12:47 does mitre of holiness break nudist 12:47 the truly big questions 12:47 Depends where you put it 12:48 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:48 hah 12:48 maybe you use the mitre to cover your shame 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful little dog, on T:736 12:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:6640 12:52 lol 12:53 Does nethack track ascending with your starting pet? 12:53 no but it should 12:53 that would be something 12:53 If you #give the "oY to your pet and they are on the altar they should offer it and ascend 12:54 players who want to attempt permahallu, zen etc. in slex, please note that the items in question do not break the conduct there but also don't stop the condition :P in slex, a zen char with the eyes still cannot see 12:55 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 2491 points, T:4023, killed by an elven king 12:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:56 There should be an "eat what you kill" conduct where you only eat corpses 12:57 Along with a swole tinning kit that adds nutritional yeast to everything you tin to increase its nutrition 12:57 And you have to eat every corpse you make :-) 12:59 Q: How do you find out when someone you know has the COVID? 12:59 A: You start coughing. 12:59 There's your dark humor for today. You're welcome. 13:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 5466 points, T:2776, killed by a gnome lord zombie 13:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:71906 13:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 premium heart", on T:18632 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1031 points, T:1268, killed by a rope golem 13:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 13:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3084 13:14 -!- winter88 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:14 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 13:19 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:20 MAN, 5 silver dragons and no scales 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:33400 13:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:33407 13:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:21 eady hah 13:21 anyone have any quick, sfw jokes? yeah - 2020 13:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4321 13:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4389 13:22 Sfw? 13:22 You're mad 13:25 K2: I heard that 2020 is the trailer for the decade that follows. 13:26 Also something about Disney being in talks to buy Nintendo. 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1245 points, T:1590, killed by a giant spider, while frozen by a potion 13:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:1, burned by molten lava 13:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:28 K2: Also, I heard that someone nominated COVID-19 to be 2020's Villain of the Year, but they were voted down. Turns out COVID is actually not a very good villain. Too easy to catch. 13:29 GROOOOOOOOOOOOAN! 13:29 omg 13:29 lol 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:33600 13:29 standup comedy night ft. jonadab 13:30 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 13:31 standup comedy is when I read jokes on IRC at my standing desk in my home office, right? 13:31 Yes. 13:31 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:32303 13:31 There is also a "stand up maths" channel on YouTube. Some guy named Matt Parker. 13:31 So sitting at home watching that, also counts. 13:31 Assuming you think math is funny. 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3290 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3306 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3190 13:33 <@the_eternal_paradox> I wish there were more funny science monsters like QM 13:33 <@the_eternal_paradox> saw a YANI for quarks and that could be very interesting 13:33 there's genetic engineers now if that counts 13:33 good source of emergency polymorph ^ 13:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (cockatrices), on T:630 13:34 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 25861 points, T:14935, killed by a mountain centaur 13:34 Hmm, how can we make NetHack monsters out of the non-trivial zeroes of the Reimann zeta function? 13:34 -!- winter88 has joined #hardfought 13:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 13:35 <@the_eternal_paradox> we could have an i-class one that's imaginary or something 13:35 If each dungeon level is part of the Direchlet series... 13:36 @the_eternal_paradox what's this quark idea? no such thing on the yani archive 13:36 <@the_eternal_paradox> umm maybe it was a YASI 13:36 <@the_eternal_paradox> let me find the link 13:37 I guess you would build a family of variable monsters out of quark properties 13:37 <@the_eternal_paradox> oh wait no it's from the Biodiversity patch 13:37 krm26: charming son, strange cousin, etc? 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:3388 13:40 <@the_eternal_paradox> up: makes you levitate down: throws you to the ground top: targets head/neck bottom: targets feet (like xan?) charm: "charms" you, so some of your attacks miss wildly strange: not sure, maybe confuses or hallucinates you? 13:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law), 2601 points, T:3451, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gold golem 13:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:6954 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 535 points, T:419, killed by a crossbow bolt 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:33961 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Wiz Hum Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:33963 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Scout, on T:19071 13:47 wait are we talking new monsters? good thing I looked at the chat, because no one pinged me about it :P thanks for the contributions to slex's bestiary! 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:9290 13:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 731 points, T:447, killed by a gnome 13:50 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 1375 points, T:1108, killed by a piranha 13:51 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 108 points, T:224, killed by a crossbow bolt 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:1069 13:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 7000 points, T:8467, killed by a leocrotta 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:10963 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh4] Zoe (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 33576 points, T:3240, killed by an Uruk-hai 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Trenin (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2118 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:11250 13:58 LarienTelrunya: You can just take all the existing monsters, and create "enhanced" versions of them, with more hitpoints and higher speed. So, e.g., "enhanced grid bug", "enhanced lichen", etc. 13:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 46 points, T:353, killed by a sewer rat 13:58 With the object properties patch can you wish for something like power or speed on anything? Blessed mithril +2 shield of speed? 13:58 haha, but all-new monsters are more interesting 13:58 LarienTelrunya: Do you have any bionic monsters yet? 13:59 maybe I should stop playing this game like it's a first person shooter and actually slow down rather than speed up when shit happens. 13:59 Merlek: Haha. 13:59 eady: well there's a bionic naga, for example 13:59 Indeed. 13:59 LarienTelrunya: Ok, do you have wood sprites? 13:59 Chocobones? 14:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (master liches), on T:45427 14:00 uhh no, but they can of course be added :D anything specific that they should do? 14:00 I think the important thing about chocobones is they're fast. 14:01 Wood sprites are just a generic fantasy creature. 14:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:21805 14:01 Wood sprites? That would be the nymph 14:01 LarienTelrunya: Do you have fluorine elementals? 14:01 Titanium elementals? 14:01 clearly nymphs are analogs of the dryades and hamadryades 14:01 eady: an elemental for each of the chemical elements is still lowkey on the todo list 14:02 A lot of those elementals would die to their own half-life pretty quickly 14:02 LarienTelrunya: Do you have shoe golems? A golem made out of footwear? 14:02 if she doesn't already 14:02 she needs it 14:02 she must have it in slex 14:02 Now if you could shoot your wand of electrons at an elemental golem and transform it by filling its outer shell 14:03 well there's sandal golems and boot golems, but none that's explicitly called "shoe golem" so I guess I'll add that ;) 14:03 I suppose you could also do lingerie golems. 14:03 Because why not. 14:03 omg yes!!! that's a great idea :D 14:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:22011 14:03 just 360 no-scoped vlad 14:04 LarienTelrunya: How many different kinds of penguins do you have? 14:04 Reminds me of bnd (Bugs 'N' Drugs), a DnD-like dungeon crawler that some UI medical school students wrote. Good way to learn how to spell erythromycin 14:04 eady: 18 monsters with "penguin" in their name 14:04 Oh, man. 14:04 MRSA as a NetHack monster. 14:04 I assume you have covid-19 already. 14:04 I think that if you have lightning you don't need methicillin 14:05 Hmm, do you have drug dealer monsters? 14:05 Rum runners? 14:06 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33164 14:06 A "shrunken level" full of staphylococcus and whatnot would be funny, but not very nethacky 14:06 "drug dealer" is indeed an existing monster :) 14:06 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) picked up the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33166 14:06 Can they cast "Summon Meth-heads"? 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:1387 14:06 hah 14:07 LarienTelrunya: Do you have James K Polk? 14:07 eady: uhh I don't know every single american president by name... so, nope :P 14:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2720 points, T:1451, killed by a plains centaur 14:08 Polk was killed by a goblin while frozen 14:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 494 points, T:1452, killed by a wand 14:09 <{Demo}> how do i get mihril in early game in un? 14:09 <{Demo}> why do ppl say this game is easier than vanilla? 14:09 Kill some dwarves 14:10 <{Demo}> can they have it? 14:12 soldiers are human, right? So safe to sacrifice if I'm a gnome? 14:12 <{Demo}> in what variant? 14:12 vanilla 14:13 well, 3.7hdf. 14:14 <{Demo}> then yes, they are human and it is safe 14:14 {Demo}: Un is very generous with loot in my experience. 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:2884 14:15 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 14:15 pulling off wishless asc in unnethack is doable, esp if you get chromatic dsm 14:16 yeah fair amount of loot to be had if you do the side quests 14:16 Oh man I love those dragon caves, loot heaven 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1511 points, T:2931, killed by a killer bee 14:16 so many potions of full healing 14:16 Sheol is a fun challenge. Reminds me of Super Mario Bros. 14:16 no idea why 14:17 K2: Your awful game keeps throwing artifact swords at my priest instead of something useful 14:17 you're awful 14:17 3 randomly generated so far 14:17 Where's my randomly generated non-sword of something-awesome? 14:17 I'd take an artifact towel 14:18 last Un game I tricked the Executioner out of his stronghold and put him to sleep then stole his cleaver and magic marker 14:18 doesn't exist in ur game sry 14:18 Oooh, Towel that blinds + astral vision 14:18 K2 specifically patched dragonbane out for your username 14:18 THAT explains a lot 14:18 Will play any variant with Evilhack's Dragonbane in it, pst me 14:18 hahah 14:19 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 14:19 Towel of Invisibility (they can't see you if you can't see them) 14:19 <{Demo}> got both brands in un, can i dual wield? 14:19 HHGTTG reference there, nice 14:20 <{Demo}> can i offhand a crystal pick? 14:20 i think so 14:21 The Blandfold, when worn you can eat anything and it tastes tolerable, can only see a 3x3 square, can't be blinded, sustain ability 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1383 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:30570 14:22 crystal pick is 1-handed. Awesome offhand weapon. 14:22 Magical scrollcase like the horn of plenty but for (typically poor) scrolls 14:23 <{Demo}> isnt it kind of heavy? 14:23 {Demo}: nice thing about Un is it has a few more shopping options than Vanilla - The Town and the Black Market. 14:24 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Crystal_pick 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2580 14:25 spontiff: tell me about paci strats 14:25 stenno that's easy: dont fuck up 14:25 \o/ 14:25 spontiff: geno targets w,t,; ? 14:25 probably P 14:25 stenno: just start with t:1 wow and wish for archon and stuf 14:25 Find a magic whistle and pet yourself to victory 14:26 'pet yourself' 14:26 eeew k2 14:26 lol 14:26 archon wish will eat up one artiwish right? 14:26 why 14:26 I meant what I said and I said what I meant 14:26 blessed figurine of an archon 14:26 its not an artfact 14:26 how can i level it up, throw !oGL at it? 14:26 it could spawn with sunsword 14:26 aoei: but they spawn with sunsword 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 17 darts on an altar, on T:3206 14:26 ohhh heh 14:26 i didnt know about taht 14:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 1186 points, T:394, killed by a dwarf 14:27 or demonbane 14:27 i assume i gain level by wraith revgeno 14:27 <{Demo}> going for luckstone 14:27 <{Demo}> ballsy move 14:27 getting conflict early sounds like a good idea too 14:27 <{Demo}> got vampire scrolls mines end 14:28 stenno: you migth do some by wraith if you can conflict them or get your pets to kill them and not eat them 14:28 <{Demo}> how do i know if i got the luckstone? 14:28 foocubi are popular with pacifists IIRC 14:28 {Demo}: Beholder tells you 14:28 {Demo}: livelogging 14:28 lol 14:28 lol ^ 14:29 <{Demo}> no it didnt 14:29 <{Demo}> not in un 14:29 ahh 14:29 <{Demo}> read an uncursed scroll that was cheap 14:29 idk about unnethack 14:29 <{Demo}> and it did a full id 14:29 sweet 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cugel (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:7404 14:31 <{Demo}> got the luckstone 14:31 <{Demo}> had no mr 14:31 <{Demo}> so got teleported to dlvl 2 14:31 nice 14:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) murdered Replasse, her faithful giant spider, on T:45515 14:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1258 points, T:2540, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 14:31 quick exit from the mines i always love rthat 14:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:24464 14:34 <{Demo}> how do i wish for silver dragon scales? 14:34 <{Demo}> "Blessed +2 fixed silver dragon scales" isn't working 14:34 <{Demo}> oh right 14:34 <{Demo}> fucking unnethack dragons 14:34 hah 14:34 F 14:34 i think you can wish for a colour but you won't know what resistance you get? 14:35 but silver is a special case somehow 14:35 <{Demo}> considering it 14:35 <{Demo}> idk 14:35 {Demo}: FUD, you say? 14:35 <{Demo}> someone advise 14:35 <{Demo}> i have an oracle fountain wish 14:35 ehhhhh its been so long sincce i played unnethack 14:35 what role etc.? 14:35 waht do you have alreayd you said luckstone no mr 14:35 <{Demo}> valk dwarf 14:35 <{Demo}> might be down for random scales 14:35 i think there's an orb you can wish for thats pretty cool 14:36 <{Demo}> cant make magical wishes 14:36 oh yeah that jokes doesnt even work 14:36 bhaak: your game even ruins my stupid japes 14:36 <{Demo}> too bad, shield of reflection wish. I don't wanna make it but its the safest call :( 14:36 its a decent call 14:36 <{Demo}> its the safe call 14:36 [hdf-us] [un] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "Blessed +3 fixed shield of reflection", on T:14950 14:36 i'd be tempte3d to gamble on some kinndo f dragon scales tbh 14:37 <{Demo}> hey, got the +3 14:37 neat 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4120 14:40 btw bhaak I think chromatic dragon scales are too OP 14:40 i recommend removing them from your game 14:40 <{Demo}> i dont 14:40 <{Demo}> they sound fun 14:41 they are not so easy to get hold of, I never managed to get any 14:41 but there's a bit somewhere with guaranteed chromatic dragons (3 of them i think) 14:41 each one has a chance to drop scales 14:42 Dun-DUN! Another sea dragon 14:43 you used to be able to wish for chromatic dragon eggs 14:43 but i think thats no longer possibe 14:43 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:33889 14:43 Oh fffffff alhoon I'm outta here 14:43 My kingdom for a scroll of genocide 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3586 points, T:3426, killed by a hobgoblin, while sleeping 14:47 <@luxidream> isn't it "reflecting dragon scale mail" now 14:48 still not wishable 14:48 that sounds about right luxidream 14:48 you can wish for "glowing dragon scale mail" which is at least a light source, plus a random resistance 14:48 <@luxidream> reflecting dragon scales then 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:14077 14:49 luxidream i ascended neutral human valk :o 14:50 <@luxidream> congrats 14:50 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed Orcus, on T:34032 14:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:14666 14:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1530 14:51 <@luxidream> speedrun or normal 14:52 another attempt at realtime runnning 14:52 4h 45min 14:52 which is a lot better than that orc wiz at least lol 14:52 <@luxidream> nice not bad 14:52 also i ascended with a blessed +2 rustproof longsword as my main weapon 14:52 which im oddly proud of lol 14:52 <@luxidream> sounds about right 14:53 <@luxidream> vorpal blade ain't any better 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:3808 14:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2429 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:15261 14:53 didn't want to wish or altar camp so 14:53 <{Demo}> so i can wish for reflecting dragon scales from a blue fountain demon without knowing which dragon it is for? 14:53 i did enchant the swore more than that 14:53 but trying to play fast i ran into disenchanters 14:54 happened twice but i didn't bother to enchant again the second time 14:54 <@luxidream> just don't bump disenchanters 🙃 14:54 enchanted swore: "The blessed ... $#!%" 14:54 loool sure thing lux 14:54 the annoying bit tho 14:54 between soko and castle somewhere i got a nymph which robbed my boh 14:55 and then levported 14:55 i probably coulda found it quicker if i'd thought of polyself to mmf sooner for the telepathy 14:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:25855 14:55 <@luxidream> where was it 14:55 but anyway that cost me like 30 minutes i think 14:55 <@luxidream> it can go all the way up to D:1 lmao 14:55 yeah 14:55 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 14:55 i thikn it landed aroujnd mines stairs or maybe oracle 14:56 frpom like dl20 14:56 almost 14:56 <@luxidream> on one of my practice explore mode speedruns the wizard did that 14:56 nah maybe not that deep but still 14:56 lol F 14:56 <@luxidream> quit 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:46447 14:56 but i did a whole run up and down of hte dungeon without spotting it 14:56 before i thought of polyself for telepathy 14:56 >.> 14:56 >.< 14:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:31995 14:57 <@the_eternal_paradox> ok not that it'll happen in this run, but have you ever died to stoning because one of the eggs in Soko was a cockatrice's? 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:32005 14:57 idk i just never eat eggs 14:57 <@the_eternal_paradox> oof good idea 14:57 <@luxidream> it's delayed 14:57 <@luxidream> you still have time to pray 14:58 o yeah good point 14:58 for some reason eating medusa's brains is also delayed stoning 14:58 i did that by accident once and was relieved i could pray to fix 14:58 <@luxidream> i collect eggs because valkyrie is too dumb to read books 14:58 <{Demo}> its cool that u can get brain from medusa and survive 14:58 <@luxidream> and I don't have 20k turns to waste 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 480 points, T:1861, killed by a giant bat 14:58 yea 20k turns is crazy 14:59 i think my valk was 23k tho 15:00 <@luxidream> actually maybe I do have 20k turns to waste 15:00 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/789220431919710218/unknown.png 15:00 <@luxidream> idk what was going on here lol 15:00 oh my 15:00 that's embarrassing 15:01 <@luxidream> it's sub 2 15:01 <@luxidream> 😉 15:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2713 15:01 <@luxidream> that's what matters 15:01 ok fair play :P 15:01 <@the_eternal_paradox> uhm 15:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Trenin (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3538 15:01 <@the_eternal_paradox> I sure do waste a lot of turns then 15:02 <@luxidream> play however you want lol 15:02 yea its a game innit 15:03 <@the_eternal_paradox> Yeah, but like I took three days and 145k+ turns 15:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:2540 15:03 <@the_eternal_paradox> For my first ascension I mean 15:03 eh well first ascension is a thing 15:03 mine was probably something like that too 15:03 <@luxidream> everyone's first ascension looks like that 15:04 <@luxidream> i had some 400 hp on mine, and had no rings except for slow digestion 15:04 <@luxidream> also didn't bring portal detection 15:04 i think my first ascension i explored and looted everything 15:04 <@princessSpicycat> my first ascension was 63k turns and took a week or two 15:04 the miens the main dungeon 15:04 <@the_eternal_paradox> wow 15:04 all of gehennom 15:04 ludios *everything* 15:04 i think i dug out all the vaults too 15:04 and bought insane amouhnts of divine prot 15:04 including with ludios gold lol 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6343 15:05 <@the_eternal_paradox> man I haven't seen Ludios in like 10 games in a row 15:05 i landed in there accidentally recently 15:05 but before that i handn't seen it in years 15:05 <@luxidream> i didn't buy a ton of protection until later in my career 15:05 <@luxidream> https://media.discordapp.net/attachments/319364697826787329/650124977378426910/unknown.png 15:05 <@the_eternal_paradox> :0 15:06 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 15:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2877 15:06 lool with AC like that who needs high maxHP 15:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Trenin (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3801 15:06 <@luxidream> i think the riders were missing 15:06 <@luxidream> it was funny 15:06 ahahaha 15:06 yea i dont think i ever had that much AC 15:06 not sure 15:07 Hi. 15:07 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 15:07 the ludios gold hting maybe i got pretty far down 15:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Oona, on T:27454 15:08 i find the game more fun when there's a risk of dying tho 15:09 A good acid blast will strip a lot of HP off of a -60AC character in EvilHack 15:09 ;o 15:10 How do those work again, I forget 15:11 Those? 15:12 orctown in the paci run is #quit i guess 15:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:3209 15:12 <@the_eternal_paradox> aaaaaaaaaa I hate reflected Soko 15:13 <@the_eternal_paradox> I've probably completely messed up level 4 15:13 you will get used to it after a few times 15:13 no u wont 15:13 I'm getting used to it 15:13 yes you will 15:13 i got used to it after 13 wins 15:13 it's just after I finish doing soko I try to walk on the ceiling and get left and right mixed up 15:13 you will never get used to the anger 15:14 sokobad causes sokosad 15:14 <@the_eternal_paradox> it flips left, right, upside-down, or mirrored, and I can barely match it with the real solutions 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:22078 15:14 bhaak: iirc I was able to get chromatic dsm prematurely by wish shenanigans 15:14 <@the_eternal_paradox> my poor, dying luck though 15:15 helpful hint: if you're following spoilers, just reverse up and down if it is flipped on the horizontal axis 15:15 which is how I usually went about it 15:15 and left and right if on the vertical 15:15 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 15:15 does that make sense? 15:15 <@the_eternal_paradox> it does but it's both of them 15:15 <@the_eternal_paradox> so it hurts my brain a lot 15:15 I know it hurts, but it's gonna pass 15:15 :D 15:15 Pw:4 15:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:32539 15:16 actually both is easier, because you just reverse everything 15:16 no having to remember reverse this but not that 15:16 Hi elenmirie__ 15:16 hi Umbire! 15:16 ... hold on. does the _map_ just change? or does the game remap your inputs? 15:17 ...no? 15:17 The map is just mirrored 15:17 <@the_eternal_paradox> the map flips everywhere like crazy 15:17 okay, that's fine then. 15:17 hackedhead: I'm talking about following spoilers on the wiki 15:17 [hdf-us] [evil] koosoomak (Inf Ith Mal Una), 716 points, T:1233, killed by a gnome lord 15:17 that are written for the non-flipped version 15:17 elenmirie__: yeah, I get you. 15:17 WTB jonadab's fourk soko in most other variants. 15:17 You just reverse the directions for the maps shown on the wiki depending on how the map was mirrored 15:18 so it's a simple matter of up is down and down is up, left is right and right is left 15:18 or some combination of the above 15:18 ^ 15:18 <@luxidream> ...it does acid damage 15:18 lol 15:18 eh, I've reached the point where it's just simpler to solve it empirically. 15:18 I'm wondering how it gets through -60 AC though 15:18 And the solution on the wiki is specifically geared for "quickest solve without trapping any boulders" 15:18 i.e. there's room for error 15:19 Umbire: not always 15:19 yeah, so there are quicker ways to do it with trapped boulders, usually 15:19 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:19 some errors are not cleanly recoverable, even if you haven't trapped boulders. 15:19 <@luxidream> i think it's like the fireball/cone of cold nukes 15:19 <@luxidream> doesn't check ac 15:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cugel (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 speed boots", on T:7848 15:20 You begin bashing monsters with your gloved hands. You kill the newt! 15:20 man its really painful to #quit all those games 15:20 i guess thats the paci lie 15:20 life 15:20 hackedhead: Not always room for error, but there IS room, is me point 15:20 barehanded newt strangling 15:20 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:20 i think i should continue anyway 15:20 a - a pair of leather gloves called Dudley's revenge. 15:20 lol 15:21 <@luxidream> -3 orcish dagger helps 15:21 wielding cream pies helps, if you have them 15:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:28563 15:22 oh i could have bought one earlier i guess 15:22 some even go so far as to remap hjklyubn to m-move equivalents 15:22 but you have to do that with tmux or screen, can't do it with nethack rcfile 15:22 oh god, advanced technology 15:23 yeh lol 15:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:4184 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6431 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Bond697's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:18581 15:24 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed Geryon, on T:35227 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Bliss56's ghost, the former Kunoichi, on T:18598 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Swashbuckler, on T:23552 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3069 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3082 15:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:79490 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3258 points, T:3141, killed by a Green-elf 15:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5717 15:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 284 points, T:976, killed by a giant bat 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:32794 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:32799 15:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 12583 points, T:7153, killed by a bolt of fire 15:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5189 15:33 <{Demo}> hey guys is moria dangerous? :^) 15:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:79817 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 156 points, T:520, killed by a giant mimic 15:33 the balrog is nasty 15:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a yeti corpse, on T:5363 15:34 watcher in teh waters has a magic lamp 15:34 i recommend collecting all the gems to sell at the black market 15:35 moria has a strange mechanic where the level layout might change over time 15:35 for certain filler levels 15:35 <{Demo}> this doesnt seem like a place i should hang out while in a state i might typo into lava 15:35 curious 15:35 ay have you been on the sauce demo 15:36 [hdf-us] [un] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Durin's Bane, on T:20120 15:36 :o nice 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:25021 15:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1010 15:38 <{Demo}> that guy almost got my goat 15:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5750 15:39 zomg i am level 2 15:39 oh i read the fucking book 15:40 ffs man 15:41 <{Demo}> how do i get across these holes? 15:42 <{Demo}> 14 dx, odds on crossing? 15:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +3 helm of brilliance", on T:79819 15:42 Ugh I want an artifact/spell/scroll/something that creates a dead zoon that alhoons can't teleport into in their hunger for my sweet juicy brains 15:43 ZONE, I don't know where the zoon came from -- alhoon prolly 15:43 <{Demo}> 4% to pass 15:43 {Demo}: you shall not pass! :P 15:43 Me type gud 15:44 K2: Do object properties in evilhack let me with for something like a bone shield of power? 15:44 <{Demo}> passed it 15:44 <{Demo}> found a flying ammy 15:44 WISH damn I'm doing it again 15:44 power doesnt exist as an obj property 15:45 (it does in other variants) 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "cockatrice corpse", on T:25861 15:45 No power, no speed? 15:45 but yes you could wish up a bone small/large shield of 15:45 no 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25880 15:45 So I guess I should source dive the properties 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:25884 15:45 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack#Object_properties 15:46 Ok, so drain/telepathy/nevermind -- excellent, thanks 15:46 np 15:47 will an archon teleport to me? 15:47 no 15:47 NYET 15:47 Only if it is True Love 15:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed figurine of an Archon", on T:1480 15:47 you so lucky 15:48 I think a general nethack philosophy is that the answer to any question is not "No" but "Only if" 15:48 K2: Are any of the shields leather? I.e. dragonhide-wishable? 15:49 hmm no 15:49 just verified, nerp 15:50 Darn 15:50 mithril shield of reflection is a thing 15:50 If it is made out of wood I can bind it in leather 15:50 the dream of 100% dragonhide outfit in ruins 15:51 my archon has a short sword lol 15:51 fear my regular short sword knave! 15:52 it was forged in the awesome fires of... Steve 15:52 bone or stone helmet of speed is also a thing, very nice for spellcasters 15:52 look upon this blade, and quiver in fear! 15:52 STEVE 15:52 [hdf-us] [un] BoisterousSloth (Con Vam Mal Cha), 405 points, T:1004, died of starvation 15:52 ^ stenno's archon 15:52 -!- winter88 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:52 no, my archon is called Wuffi 15:53 well now you have to name it Steve 15:53 too late 15:53 maybe if i get another one 15:53 DO IT 15:53 I guess I'm going to have to de-alhoon this alhoon with a boulder fort 15:53 alhoons can pickup boulders with their tentacles 15:53 ^ kidding 15:53 K2: Alhoon-sea dragon hybrid 15:53 oooh 15:53 noooooo 15:54 stop that 15:54 lol 15:54 Ports to you, engulfs, interior tentacles suck your brain while you drown 15:54 oh god 15:54 Probably has to paralyze you too, it is only fair 15:54 ok, confirmed, krm25 is K2's evil twin 15:54 Gelatinous sea alhoon 15:54 I remember when elenmirie__ made a joke about lava gremlins 15:54 next thing you know... 15:54 I hate myself forever 15:54 hahah 15:55 [hdf-us] [un] BoisterousSloth (Con Vam Mal Cha), 188 points, T:456, killed by a coyote, while fainted from lack of food 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 9919 points, T:8845, killed by a werewolf 15:55 What would actually be "fun" is an alhoon whose tentacle attack teleported you like a machanic/snark (AFTER eating a little bit) 15:56 Fun for the monster, too, who gets to run you down multiple times 15:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:33847 15:56 Especially fun when it ports you off the up-stairs 15:56 <{Demo}> acquired some +5 mithril from moria 15:57 flavour appropriate 15:57 <{Demo}> man bhaak would put a melon on that level 15:57 Do alhoons respect scare monster? 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:37006 15:58 {Demo}: I'm almost completely innocent with anything relating to Moria 15:58 [hdf-us] [un] BoisterousSloth (Con Vam Mal Cha), 397 points, T:627, killed by a sewer rat, while fainted from lack of food 15:58 Greatest of the mansions of the Dwarves was the Dwarrowdelf! 15:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +3 T-Shirt", on T:80998 16:01 [hdf-us] [un] BoisterousSloth (Con Vam Mal Cha), 244 points, T:460, killed by a water moccasin 16:01 K2: magic 8ball would be even better if it gave you fairly-accurate hints about timeouts :o 16:01 hah 16:01 that's interesting 16:01 krm26, it should 16:02 apply to self, it says maybe praying soon is fine. apply to pyec, it says go get em, ur ready almost certainly! 16:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] hearsegirl (Val Swn Fem Law), 1882 points, T:2574, killed by a giant bat zombie 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cugel (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:8223 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:34398 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Huan Ti, on T:47381 16:05 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Cav Hum Mal Cha) killed Dispater, on T:36187 16:05 Hmm, Mjollnir or Demonbane 16:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cugel (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed bag of holding", on T:8225 16:05 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:06 i'd probably go demonbane 16:06 bc the rings and wands destruction thing 16:07 like what if your enemy had a conflict ring?? 16:07 plus demonbane is silver 16:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:81579 16:08 What's the chance of Mjollnir returning to a non-Valk with GoP? 16:09 <{Demo}> hmm at sams now on accident 16:09 Decent, or garbage? 16:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 34792 points, T:10921, killed by a horned devil 16:09 <{Demo}> no idea 16:09 <{Demo}> not safe to examine 16:09 <{Demo}> need to hit up castle 16:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 470 points, T:2077, killed by a giant bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:10 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Hob Mal Cha), 68 points, T:377, killed by a bolt of lightning, while fainted from lack of food 16:11 <{Demo}> a vorpal jaberwock :( 16:11 F 16:11 demo should i play nethack 16:12 <{Demo}> maybe 16:12 <{Demo}> depends 16:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:609 16:12 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:17, killed by a water moccasin 16:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:673 16:14 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 32 points, T:92, killed by a sewer rat 16:14 as a paci, it almost feels bad to find a new shop 16:14 its like, sorry buddy but you will die very soon 16:14 how come, oh you feel bad for shk 16:14 lets do some friendly trading and bartering and then you will die 16:14 you get used to killing them with minturn also 16:15 tho often just robbing with teleportation or a digging wand is enough 16:16 stenno: should i nh tho 16:16 if you like? 16:17 [hdf-us] [un] Demo (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:24105 16:17 <{Demo}> get fucked medusa 16:17 i am considering dfv for castle lol 16:17 with my archie buddy 16:17 see how it goes 16:17 stenno: so i should totally nh then 16:17 sure? 16:18 cut with the question marks and just enable me pls 16:18 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha) murdered Nicodemus, her faithful giant rat, on T:327 16:18 lol 16:18 you aren't danny the dog 16:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] hearsegirl (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1667 16:19 !rng play nethack | play nethack 16:19 aoei: play nethack 16:19 yes Beholder right away Beholder 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:34691 16:19 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 90 points, T:785, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 16:19 aoei: you should have understood that reference because iirc you like massive attack and the unleashed soundtrack is by massive attack 16:20 <{Demo}> no purple L at castle!! 16:20 <{Demo}> how does un castle work? 16:20 stenno: i do like massive attack a lot 16:20 <{Demo}> how does un castle wow work? 16:20 but somehow id idnt get this ref 16:20 wow will be pre-charged 16:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5440 16:20 castle drawbridge might not work so you have to try several time to open/close it 16:21 also there might be a nasty layout with dragons behind iron bars which breathe at you while you are trying to figure out the tune 16:21 <{Demo}> oh im not playing with the bridge 16:21 <{Demo}> no tonal 16:21 <{Demo}> found a flying ammy 16:21 ok good 16:21 ah 16:21 <{Demo}> so im up to no good 16:21 <{Demo}> is castle wow precharged> 16:21 <{Demo}> do i wish for charging? 16:21 yes 16:21 no 16:21 <{Demo}> ok, precharged, no charging 16:21 <{Demo}> 1-3 range? 16:21 yeah its charged so you cant charge it 16:21 yea i think so demo 16:21 <{Demo}> can iwrest? 16:21 1:0 to 1:2 i think 16:22 yes 16:22 <{Demo}> ughhh 16:22 there are rules to wresting 16:22 bless before wresting 16:22 <{Demo}> what am i supposed to use it on? 16:22 <{Demo}> thanks hothraxxa 16:22 <{Demo}> wouldnt have known to do that 16:22 magic stuff 16:22 artifacts 16:22 magic resistance 16:22 <{Demo}> already gennd way too many artis 16:22 i use it for my magic harp 16:22 <{Demo}> probably want a comr 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:34805 16:22 if you don't poly for markers then one of those 16:23 you can get chromatic DSM from the votd portal to the dragon caverns 16:23 marker is not worth it imo 16:23 <{Demo}> hmmm ok 16:23 no no in unnethack you don't want to wish for comr 16:23 <{Demo}> reflection is strong? 16:23 <{Demo}> why not? 16:23 <{Demo}> how to get mr? 16:23 kill the chromatic dragons 16:23 chromatic DSM gives all resistances apart from MR 16:23 <{Demo}> ok, is it safe to do? 16:23 it includes mr 16:23 hothraxxa: no 16:23 yes 16:24 since when 16:24 i just ascended using it 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 122 points, T:335, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 16:24 <{Demo}> so raid them before the wish 16:24 magic resistance (since 5.2.0) 16:24 <{Demo}> i have speed boots 16:24 says the wiki ^ 16:24 ah ok 16:24 thus speaketh ye wiki 16:24 not up to date anymore 16:24 yeah that's way too OP 16:24 bhaak: you gotta nerf this shit 16:25 a couple of games back i misread the wiki and thought it didn't have mr so i wished for the cloak 16:25 or remove them fromt he game 16:25 {Demo}: dragons are harder in un though 16:25 100+ HP 16:25 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 16:25 then i found 5 cloaks of mr AND discovered my cdsm gave me mr anyway 16:25 well it didn't at some point so 16:25 *5* 16:25 nice polyfodder 16:25 i ascended unnethack twice i think. didn't manage to get chromatic scales from the dragon caves in either run :( 16:25 {Demo}: what did you get from the black market? 16:26 {Demo}: you should visit black market before castle and sell the gems you got at moria 16:26 yes 16:26 and buy magic marker or wand of wishing or something 16:26 whatever nice is there 16:26 sounds good 16:26 ime it's not hard to poly up markers, i got a lot of them in my recent games 16:27 also the guaranteed one at sheol 16:27 idk if its different in un but for me i dont hit on markers that often 16:27 but sheol is, uh, endgame 16:27 demo: you will probably want a crystal ball for the planes 16:27 i try to collect some magical tools in vanilla anyway but 16:27 i did sheol once. never again 16:27 haha 16:27 i like it 16:27 very good loot 16:27 crystal golems can kill you in seconds 16:27 also very nasty monsters that you just have to experience 16:28 yeah 16:28 also punishers 16:28 just don't get close to punishers and its fine 16:28 what i did was use a magic lamp to get a crystal pick and tunneled around the pnuishers 16:28 ah neet 16:28 neat 16:28 <{Demo}> stenno i cant id them 16:29 <{Demo}> its too confusing 16:29 <{Demo}> its too much there 16:29 anyway i don't find sheol worth it. moria is great 16:29 <{Demo}> but thanks for the tips 16:29 <{Demo}> you're right. I should see what resources are there 16:29 <{Demo}> before wasting wishes 16:29 demo: remember confused gold detection doesn't work 16:29 <{Demo}> so i have to use orb of weight apply? 16:29 if you have it 16:29 <{Demo}> and find ^ 16:29 yes 16:29 or secret door detection if tha tworks? 16:29 or just walk around until you find them 16:29 sdd works but it's painful 16:30 ic 16:30 i poly for a crystal ball 16:30 for fire at least its easy to do without anything 16:30 used three magic lamps for fodder last time 16:30 hothraxxa: how much fodder do you typically need for all this magical tool polypiling? :/ 16:30 as much as you can get 16:30 i poly it all 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 389 points, T:997, killed by a rabid rat 16:30 <{Demo}> can't I just recharge orb of fate? 16:31 * aoei doesn't normally like to thoroughly loot the dungeons 16:31 sure 16:31 it takes so long 16:31 s - a thoroughly looted dungeon 16:31 you kinda have to do it in unnethack 16:31 and i like, you can play unnethack wishless without that much issue 16:31 stenno: yes i think i remember it being more necessary in my one or tow ascensions 16:31 because all the stuff is usually there 16:32 demo: also be careful on astral that you don't find the wrong altar 16:32 lol 16:32 i was standing next to the co-aligned high priest but on the wrong altar. oops 16:33 well it was the correct priest, just with a false name, right? 16:33 had to do it all over again in the next game. shoulda been back-to-back ascensions 16:33 whats this with false priests? 16:33 i dont rmeember rhatt 16:33 no the altar had more than one high priest 16:33 ah 16:33 yeah just : on altar and you are fine 16:33 just check the damned altar 16:34 nearlook and farlook are your best friends 16:34 no, not in un 16:34 un altar 16:34 just : 16:34 in the next game i knew how to read probing 16:34 thats the only thing 16:34 for any nethack game fwiw imo 16:34 probing will tell you the wrong name but the right alignment 16:35 in unnh 16:35 in vanilla, probing works 16:36 dig down or face off soldier ants? 16:36 Beholder, have a preference? 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 278 points, T:932, killed by a rabid rat 16:36 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:36 * tinklebear sighs 16:37 hi folks 16:38 hello rebatela 16:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bSiEB64FyF8 16:38 good time of the day, rebatela 16:38 4:20? 16:38 4:38? 16:38 what time of whose day is it exactly 16:38 time time is it where you're at tb? 16:38 always some time, somewhere 16:39 not sure! should I look it up? 16:39 almost 16:40! 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3100 16:39 rebatela: your nick sounds feminine to me for some reason, but i have no idea of your actual gender or if you even have one 16:39 ah so we are in same time zone 16:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:8513 16:40 yeah i'm male it is two songs by the band phish, both female names. reba and tela. not sure why i picked female sounding name 16:40 but it stuck 16:40 {Demo}: the wish impediments due to generated artifacts got removed in unnethack 6. there aren't that many magical wishes anyway, blow them all on artifacts if you want to 16:40 lol fair 16:40 has a nice ring to it anyway 16:40 :) 16:40 i'm quite fond of 'aoei' although i'm not sure how to pronounce? 16:40 my condolences, rebatela (on the time zone, I mean; your name is a good name) 16:41 only 10% of unnethack games had more than 5 wishes. 16:41 hmm my archon doesn't have shield of reflection 16:41 bhaak: how many of those are from me? 16:41 idk it varies in my head something between ay-oh-ee and owie like you stubbed yer toe 16:41 haha ok 16:41 i'll switch it up in my head then too 16:42 internal monologue! 16:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3027 16:42 yeah we were discussing that before lol 16:42 everyone on IRC has unique voices even if i dont know what hte real ones sound like 16:43 stenno: 90 wishes in 37 games on un.nethack.nu. one game with 8, two with 6 and 5 wishes 16:43 <{Demo}> ok what should I wish for? 16:43 <{Demo}> grays? 16:43 <{Demo}> am i that vain? 16:44 bhaak: thx 16:44 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:44 <{Demo}> actually wait im not ready to think about wishing 16:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:31685 16:44 idk demo, unnethack is harder but i ascended my last valk just with longsword 16:44 no artiwep at all 16:44 it was fine 16:44 but hta twaw also vanilla 16:44 {Demo} doesn't like to die 16:44 so idk 16:44 i didnt die either, i ascended! 16:45 * aoei tries to hide her record of astral and sanctum or otherwise (with the ammy) splats 16:45 i escaped 16:45 <{Demo}> ive splatted so hard in un 16:45 then i ascended 16:45 <{Demo}> once to walking too fast in ludious next to a moat 16:45 i splatted a good few times in un 16:45 <{Demo}> once in typoing and kicking down a door in a shop in black market instead of unlocking it 16:45 idk if i had late game splats tho 16:45 i dont remember 16:46 kicked in a door in the black market? 16:46 oof 16:46 i think i did something like that once lol 16:46 not exactly the same 16:46 your scrolls of taming are no good here, adventurer 16:46 suddenly a lot of angry pets 16:46 but i think i angered sam in one game 16:46 and died 16:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:1252 16:47 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2350 points, T:3704, killed by a rothe 16:48 aoei: "good time of the day" was supposed to be a catchall for any time of anyone's day 16:49 (though I addressed it to rebatela, as it happens) 16:49 {Demo}: no wonder you are afraid of unnethack :-D 16:49 tinklebear: ah 16:49 i didn't really expect my inane question to deserve a reply xD 16:49 but thank you anyway 16:50 <{Demo}> ok maybe i have some trauma 16:50 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 16:50 well you are playing varhacks thats par for the course i suppose 16:51 trauma? talk to me when you offer the amulet on the wrong altar 16:51 hothraxxa: i still want to know how this happened 16:51 why was the wrong high priest there 16:52 i just looked at the dumplog again and i think i know what happened 16:52 yea? 16:52 in unnh, unless you are right next to the high priest he will be misnamed 16:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Alex's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3739 16:53 i didn't know this 16:53 ahhhh 16:53 i think i didnt know either 16:53 so i went to the first altar and used probing, saw the chaotic priest and left 16:53 but i normally always look at the altar 16:53 went to the second altar, used probling, saw the neutral priest 16:54 i always do a last : when standing on it befor eoffering 16:54 because im paranoid 16:54 HOweveR as bhaak pointed out later, the probe actually showed the wrong name but the correct alignment 16:54 bug? 16:54 i didn't read carefully, assumed the third altar was the right one 16:54 well that might be a bug, ask bhaak 16:55 bhaak: is it a bug? 16:55 <{Demo}> hothraxxa im not a strong weathered soul like you 16:55 the wrong name is not a bug, showing the correct alignment might be an oversight 16:55 yes thats what i thought too hothraxxa 16:55 if i were bhaak i'd want the alignment to match the name 16:56 so you can't tell by just probing or whatever 16:56 anyway at the third altar, i saw thae named of both a cneutral priest and a lawful priset and didn't check the altar 16:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 768 points, T:2088, killed by a straw golem 16:56 loool so you had actually been at the correct altar, almost 16:56 and left 16:56 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 3735 points, T:4707, killed by a white unicorn 16:56 F 16:56 yes until bhaak changes it you can use probing, you just look at the aligment and not the name 16:56 yes i left the correct altar 16:57 thats a real ouchie bro 16:57 if permahallu teaches you nothing else, it emphasises how meaningless names are 16:58 * tinklebear has compulsive off-topic disease 16:58 so in the dumplog i can see reference to the high priest of susanowo and the high priest of amterasu omikami 16:58 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 16:58 <{Demo}> im still sad about the melon in moria 16:59 what i realize now is that those were false names for the high priest of raijin, making me think other high priests were there 16:59 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 17:00 so there was really only one high priest and because i wasn't next to him, i was deceived 17:00 bottom line is that i stupidly did not check the altar 17:00 i did not realize bhaak was almost as eveil as k2 17:01 the worst part is that i could easily have gone to the right altar if i had checked 17:01 astral was pretty much cleared out by the worms 17:02 in my next game i probed, read the output CAREFULLY and got the right altar 17:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:4512 17:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Empiric, on T:4512 17:03 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 17:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (And-Ana And Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of the unheld one", on T:33642 17:04 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:04 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 17:04 btw demo, you'll probably see a LOT of vorpal jabberwocks on your ascension run if you don't geno them 17:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] hearsegirl (Mon Hum Fem Cha) was given Hammerfeet, on T:6294 17:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4750 17:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:31233 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3080 17:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu), 450 points, T:1205, killed by a gnome 17:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 shield of reflection", on T:6202 17:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:5114 17:09 not me 17:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Con Hob Mal Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:40172 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] antigulp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2010 points, T:1590, poisoned by an orcish arrow 17:12 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 1369 points, T:2901, killed by a dwarf 17:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] hearsegirl (Mon Hum Fem Cha) was given Water Flowers, on T:6878 17:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:33198 17:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] hearsegirl (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 33831 points, T:6899, killed by a dwarf 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 875 points, T:1345, killed by a water moccasin 17:16 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 17:16 hothraxxa: being curious, I looked at this dumplog, which I guess is probably the one in question: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/hothraxxa/unnethack/dumplog/1606920867.un.txt 17:17 that's the one 17:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2517 17:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:5700 17:17 Such dirty tricks! "The invisible high priest of Amaterasu Omikami? casts a spell! The invisible high priest of Amaterasu Omikami? looks better." 17:18 lets see how bigroom will work out with an archon 17:18 yes that's what deceived me 17:18 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:18 The '?' after the name... 17:18 i missed that at the ime 17:18 probably only there to troll you after the fact! 17:20 damn, another tin whistle 17:20 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:20 stenno, who put an archon in the big room? 17:20 tin whistles work just not well 17:20 tinklebear: i did 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Conjurer, on T:5886 17:21 * tinklebear fumes 17:21 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3419 17:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:22998 17:22 <@the_eternal_paradox> epic!! 17:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6256 17:22 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 17:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1352 points, T:2962, killed by an orcish arrow 17:23 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 17:23 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1120 points, T:2045, killed by a gnome lady 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3432 points, T:4640, killed by a rothe 17:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class t), on T:6066 17:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) genocided class w, on T:6066 17:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:11322 17:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Vagrant, on T:17949 17:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7093 17:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:7639 17:31 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 92 points, T:744, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 17:35 Congratulations, Merlek! 17:35 is shield of reflection nonmagical in vanilla? 17:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:29356 17:36 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 41 points, T:235, killed by a jackal 17:36 no 17:37 damn 17:37 spontiff: notice me senpai, i am doing paci 17:37 Haha, I was wondering if that's why you were genociding t 17:37 but my archon has no reflection, and only a mace 17:37 wonder how i should do medusa 17:38 i assume my archon will just instadie against her and i wont get to perseus statue 17:38 you can use a camera on her 17:38 don't have one 17:38 polypile tool junk? 17:38 don't have polywand yet 17:38 why were you asking about magical armor then? 17:39 well i was considering it 17:39 could wish up polywand and poly trash armor at the castle 17:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Mishka (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1589 points, T:3010, poisoned by an orcish arrow 17:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:4051 17:40 just dig past medusa and make sure you remember where she is on the way up then? 17:40 yeah sure 17:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Merlek (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 11236 points, T:8221, killed by a white unicorn 17:40 i was hoping to snatch the refl shield for archie though 17:40 is that guaranteed? 17:40 maybe i can go up alone, and teleport her away 17:40 no 17:40 but there is a chance and that is good enoguh 17:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1120325 points, T:29248, drowned in a moat by a kraken 17:41 F 17:41 which medusa version have you got? 17:41 <@the_eternal_paradox> feel that 17:41 none yet 17:41 only DL 16 17:41 hmm, might be worth going down to see 17:42 the raven one has perseus miles from her 17:42 yeah but i can't reach that one 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:18208 17:44 I guess keep exploring the levels and hope for a solution on the way? 17:46 * tinklebear Watched the tail end of Merlek's game, and was impressed how lycanthropy doesn't seem to faze Merlek in the slightest. 17:49 Werewolf? 17:49 Wererat? 17:50 Has anyone had reliable results getting Medusa to zap herself to death with a reflecting wand? 17:50 * tinklebear has never tried 17:52 I'd like to see that. 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:37495 17:52 I'm mainly wondering if she's smart enough not to zap herself more than once. 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2573 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34004 17:55 i wonder if i should let my archon clear out this barracks 17:55 there might be wands of digging 17:55 probably should 17:56 Umbire: Werewolf 17:56 Oh damn 17:56 protection from shapechangers? 17:56 Or a lot of intrinsic AC? 17:57 my archon got killed by death ray 17:57 and i think i will be next 17:57 D:! 17:58 ok i wont be next 17:58 but how do i do castle without reflection as paci 17:58 oh i could do backdoor i guess 18:00 stenno: sorry about the setback. good luck, though. 18:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:31479 18:00 it twas going too well anyway 18:00 this is just a training run anyway 18:01 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:01 well, cool. 18:01 Umbire: I didn't notice either of those (but didn't look for them either). 18:01 lool at the castle 18:01 well then 18:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "the blessed fixed water flowers", on T:7570 18:03 ah fuck man 18:03 i mistyped 18:03 i will die now 18:04 no not dead 18:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "marker", on T:31725 18:05 nice recovery, stenno 18:06 !whereis stenno 18:06 nabru: [hdf-eu] stenno [nh370]: (Hea Gno Fem Neu) T:8211 The Dungeons of Doom level: 26 18:06 random ammy was reflection!!!! 18:06 i just realized!!! 18:06 SALVAGED 18:06 yay 18:08 that red naga tho 18:08 that will take some times 18:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:5237 18:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:18887 18:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5339 18:09 now there is a boulder in the way 18:10 god damimt 18:10 think it just ends here 18:12 cant do anything anymore 18:13 only hope i have left is that there is a monster with strinking 18:14 hmm 18:14 the storm(?) giant went down the trapdoor? 18:14 meh, ignore me. I've got no good ideas 18:15 there is no more H in the room 18:15 non of the soldiers has wand of striking 18:15 go down 18:15 but then i will die 18:15 well or what do i want down 18:16 really? 18:16 well maybe not 18:16 but what is there 18:16 maybe strikinjg 18:16 yeah. I was thinking, well, you just go down to VotD and scare storm H back upstairs... but then how to get him over the trap doors all over again 18:16 i can't kill anything 18:16 oh pacifist i see 18:16 oh hm i could use earth and then pick axe 18:16 ok i have a very risky plan but better than nothing 18:19 i could walk over the trapdoors until i don't fall i 18:19 n 18:19 only problem is the mino to the right 18:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:20 You escape a trap door. 18:20 lmao 18:20 hey the ogre will fall right in' 18:20 sometimes slightly lucky 18:20 yeah 18:21 ...eventually 18:21 wait or is he too thicc 18:22 fuck, turret door is open 18:23 <@tizakit> I already suck at this game and flipped soko always screws with my brain 18:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law) stole 6347 Ankh-Morpork Dollars worth of merchandise from Baliga's general store, on T:1192 18:24 fucking ogre lord just doesn't want to fall into the trapdoor 18:27 xorn is sleep resistant? 18:27 ah no 18:27 just resisted the first time 18:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:24745 18:28 finally 18:28 thanks to the frost wolf 18:30 why will they not walk in 18:30 <@the_eternal_paradox> SCREW PYROLISKS 18:30 <@the_eternal_paradox> SCREW THE WHOLE c-CLASS 18:30 <@the_eternal_paradox> IT EXPLODED LIKE HALF OF THE POTIONS THAT WERE GONNA BECOME HOLY 18:31 man i am dying of boredom here 18:31 this will take several more thousand turns 18:31 no confusion source 18:31 were are you? 18:31 !whereis stenno 18:31 aoei: [hdf-eu] stenno [nh370]: (Hea Gno Fem Neu) T:8211 The Dungeons of Doom level: 26 18:32 castle 18:32 also F 18:32 i thought hte soldiers would just run into the trapdoors 18:32 but they on't 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] jww (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 1142 points, T:4310, killed by a dingo, while fainted from lack of food 18:34 well, no pet, no confusion source, i might just stand here for 10k more turns until every monster went down the trap doors 18:35 so, GG? 18:35 i guess 18:35 time to quit 18:35 i dont see anything else here 18:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:10138 18:36 no elbereth in gehennom, righty 18:36 i thought you said quit not enter gehennom 18:36 lol 18:36 oof 18:36 well there is something i had todo 18:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:33710 18:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:33712 18:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of charm monster", on T:30563 18:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 11995 points, T:10283, quit 18:39 man, there was just only little thing missing 18:40 could have been a good run 18:40 annoying 18:40 thought i salvaged it 18:40 but then the bullshit with the giant happened 18:40 just dropped his fucking boulder in the way 18:40 which bullshit with a giant 18:41 and afterwards the monsters didn't want to fall down the trapdoor 18:41 :C 18:41 i have to look up the rules again under which circumstances a monster goes down a trapdoors 18:41 i must remember wrong that they just did it when they aggrod against me 18:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:33907 18:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:33908 18:41 apparently now they are aware of it and wont do it 18:42 makes castle backdoor much much more difficult 18:42 <@riker> \o/ evilhack samurai quest officially fixed k2? 18:42 huh 18:42 si 18:42 :o 18:42 ^----- it's a riker! 18:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:33944 18:42 wonder if i should wish for magic whistle before archon 18:43 ehhh but you find one in the mines for sure <.< 18:43 they are not so rare 18:43 or ring of conflict 18:43 no, i don't find one in the mines 18:43 i found some tin whistles 18:43 F 18:44 yes, F 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Odin, on T:36483 18:44 for fail, right? 18:44 Hi Riker 18:44 no 18:44 not quite no 18:44 fudge? 18:44 stenno maybe can explain better than me 18:44 For respects 18:44 hothraxxa: https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/press-f-to-pay-respects 18:45 interesting. have not encoutnered this before 18:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed nekochan's ghost, the former Sergeant, on T:37097 18:46 <@the_eternal_paradox> NOICE THEY HAD EXCALIBUR 18:47 started with pw:4 3 times in a row 18:47 this time i will play it out 18:47 is your caps lock stuck, tep? 18:47 my pet just must not die 18:48 lichen didn't drop corpse, newt corpse didn't give buzz 18:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:34087 18:50 3rd lichen didn't drop corse either 18:50 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 3343 points, T:895, killed by a rothe 18:51 4th didn't either 18:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +5 dragonbane", on T:5114 18:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:34143 18:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:34150 18:53 wait hmm 18:53 can i set pettype:pony 18:53 nope 18:54 wouldn't it be horse? you can only do dog or cat iirc 18:55 oh or none 18:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 276 points, T:1251, killed by a hobbit 18:56 we hates hobbitses 18:57 yea i use none 18:57 because i find pets annoying as hell 18:58 <@the_eternal_paradox> I'M SORRY BUT I'M JUST EXCITED ABOUT THIS RUN 18:58 heh 18:58 <@the_eternal_paradox> I've already looted like 4 bones files 18:58 <@the_eternal_paradox> one of which was my own :P 18:58 I AM NOT SHOUTING I'M USING A VIC 20 18:58 wow the_eternal_paradox 18:58 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 204 points, T:988, killed by a boulder 19:00 -!- krm26 has quit [Quit: Leaving] 19:03 Well, I still don't get the 'F' thing (but thanks for trying, kym.com). 19:03 You literally just 19:03 press F 19:03 Sounds massively dumb, though. 19:04 interactivity for its own sake. totally empty 19:04 * tinklebear is getting heated 19:04 i disagree 19:04 the origin of it might be dumb 19:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:38860 19:04 tinklebear: thatsthejoke.jpg 19:04 but the present usage is just a nice and concise way to show you care 19:05 ah. I see. 19:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a pair of buckled boots entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:6647 19:05 a short version of im sorry for your loss 19:05 condolensces 19:05 but only one letter you must type 19:05 F 19:05 * tinklebear nods 19:05 i mean we also already had rip for ages 19:05 but that's three whole characters! 19:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:34895 19:06 on the other hand 19:06 rip 19:06 ^ 19:06 xD 19:06 true, true 19:07 <@the_eternal_paradox> eyyy I charged that early wand of wishing to 1:3 19:07 sweet 19:07 pre-castle WoW is legit 19:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Hea Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2230 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +3 shield of reflection", on T:38884 19:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:34949 19:07 * tinklebear breathes easier now that the world makes just a little more sense than before 19:08 lol 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed rustproof +3 gauntlets of power", on T:38890 19:08 this game is taking so long 19:09 rebatela: giant monk? 19:09 part of it is not having eota. I need to play wizards... 19:09 yeah giant monk 19:09 eota is the best 19:09 yeah it is :) 19:09 fucking great, just lost both my dragon pets 19:10 one to a chameleon corpse that fell in the water 19:10 usually i play neutral and can wish for it 19:10 other touched a green slime 19:10 rip umby dragons :( 19:10 F 19:10 * tinklebear tries something new 19:10 grimtooth generated 19:11 well, that was a really bad minetown i guess 19:11 and enough for today 19:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) killed Orcus, on T:60269 19:11 not sure if i should be annoyed or what 19:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Sam Gia Fem Law), 21696 points, T:7115, quit 19:13 orcus drained me somehow with that wand 19:13 and now i have 591(581) hit points? 19:13 wand of draining? 19:13 wand of orcus 19:13 sounds nasty 19:14 death rays reduce max HP, I read on wiki 19:14 regardless of MR 19:14 it's a heavy mace 19:14 yeah not death ray though it was his waeapon 19:14 oh. wow. 19:15 <@microlance> i dont know why, but it feels unethical to tin and eat a dead fellow adventurer because of his elfness. 19:16 i had 603 hp before 19:16 could be worse, but yeah it's a cool weapon 19:16 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 19:17 it's curesed though. i don't even think i can pick it up 19:17 <@microlance> dragonhide t-shirt on d2 for 230 gold, thats pretty nice 19:17 <@microlance> only yeenos flail can be used 19:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:30666 19:17 got blasted trying "The Wand of Orcus evades your grasp!" 19:17 Yeah the wand of Orcus is just a bragging rights reward 19:17 nice that orcus gets something more memorable than a plain old WoD 19:17 literally can't pick up or use it 19:17 yeah but it sucks that we don't get the wand of death 19:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:30670 19:18 none guranteed and in evil you can only charge once 19:18 <@microlance> being a giant monk you can stunlock the wizard to death sometimes, np 19:18 hehe 19:19 microlance: if you are playing an orc, does the elf-PC-eating thing seem more ethical? 19:19 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:19 <@microlance> im playing a hobbit and they are elf-larpers 19:19 the first giant monk i ascended i was so afraid of the plains (never had played evil end game) so i just kept procrastinating and killed rodney 19 times. he stole the amulet and my quest artifact i believe 19:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:35754 19:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:35755 19:20 microlane: oof, yeah, that'd be gollum-level cringe 19:20 <@microlance> orcs have a true adventurers systems of morals. they eat other orcs, cats and dogs 19:20 orcs rock. It is known. 19:20 and kobolds, yum! 19:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:30679 19:22 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:23 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 103 points, T:526, killed by a sewer rat 19:24 hm. i have the first orc wizard ascension in 7 variants 19:24 I used to play some version of rogue where the game was like "See how deep you can go before you die of starvation!" 19:24 the surprise is that one of them is nh4 19:25 wait, why is that a surprise? 19:25 because nh4 had been around a long time before i started trying for first to ascend 19:25 ah. I see. 19:26 well, holy crap, hothraxxa. 19:26 turns out i have 3 hn4 first ascensions. i would not have guessed that 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 456 points, T:749, killed by a giant mimic 19:27 * tinklebear likes nh4 quite a lot 19:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) wished for "an uncursed fixed magic marker", on T:25494 19:28 i like it too, probably because i find nh4 the easiest variant of all. 19:28 i had a 7 streak in nh4 19:28 someone else always plays orc wizards 19:28 raisse? i think 19:28 yes raisse 19:28 orc wizard is my second choice of role 19:28 long time on nao before too 19:29 after gnome healer 19:30 or maybe it's gnome wizards that raisse plays 19:30 no it's orc 19:31 oh ok yeah 19:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Lord Surtur, on T:40936 19:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40937 19:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:36149 19:32 definitely wishing for mitre if i splat this guy and do lawful gia monk again 19:32 no PW sucks! 19:32 confused charging 19:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:36166 19:33 go jilles 19:36 <@the_eternal_paradox> lmao I accidentally pressed 200s next to my quest waiting for my teleportitis 19:36 <@the_eternal_paradox> and now she's spamming me with messages XD 19:36 <@the_eternal_paradox> annnnd I also forgot that home disallows teleporting 19:36 <@the_eternal_paradox> stupid me 19:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 48642 points, T:9539, killed by a dwarf, while fainted from lack of food 19:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:36218 19:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic harp", on T:36224 19:39 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:30774 19:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:30775 19:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2510 19:42 hothraxxa: i always forget about confused charging! 19:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap (5 times), on T:36263 19:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:35230 19:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:35256 19:47 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 19:48 -!- krm26 has quit [Client Quit] 19:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:36370 19:48 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 19:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2397738 points, T:36389, ascended 19:50 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/j/jt/nethack/dumplog/1607864517.nh.html 19:50 Grats! 19:50 well done jilles 19:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) had a knife entrusted to her by Mog, on T:2989 19:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:25923 19:52 congrats 19:53 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) killed the invisible Geryon, on T:60935 19:54 congrats jilles 19:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:35379 20:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Necromancer, on T:35413 20:01 <@the_eternal_paradox> IGHT LET'S SEE IF LUDIOS EXISTS IN THIS GAME 20:01 <@the_eternal_paradox> if it doesn't I will be very sad 20:01 yay, Grouchy 20:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2500606 points, T:35418, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/G/Grouchy/nethack/dumplog/1607902030.nh.html 20:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an elven queen, on T:3798 20:03 <@the_eternal_paradox> wow with Death on their tail 20:04 wait, what? who? where? 20:05 ohh, grouchy 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:33120 20:05 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:61151 20:06 next up: demo 20:07 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:07 dammit got canceled somehow 20:07 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 20:07 dragonbane and protection ring to +0 20:07 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 20:08 Lucky! I'm in another game I'm not gonna get Dragonbane 20:08 makes it too easy doesn't it 20:09 It is my right as a chaotic character to have Dragonbane and the Ring of P'hul 20:09 MY RIGHT 20:10 dammit magic harp went to zero too 20:10 rebatela: yay, you freed up a ring slot. 20:11 -!- sebastia1toby has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 20:11 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:11 tinklebear: how so? 20:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:4274 20:11 because with protection ring at +0, you don't need to wear it anymore! 20:11 hehe 20:12 i charged it back up to +3... I might try to get it higher 20:12 maybe. do you have mc3? 20:12 You still get an MC level 20:12 I think it gives MC1 even at +0 tinklebear, which is why i usually wear it 20:12 this healer has come a long way. Started with 7 Str and 10 dex. Over 18 str and 14 dex now. 20:12 What's a good poly form to let this alhoon suck on my head all day 20:12 not so much for the ac 20:12 no i said that 20:12 cockatirce? 20:13 all from pushing boulders around. 20:13 does dragonbane give MC at all? that's another reason i meant to wish for the mitre 20:13 i believe mitre is +1 MC like the ring does but can't be combined 20:13 so THAT would have freed a ring slot 20:13 I think a dragonhide elven helm of drain resistance beats the Mitre :-) 20:13 ah. 20:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 Green Dragon Scale Mail", on T:12147 20:13 does dragonbane give mc anything? 20:14 Not afaik 20:14 dragonhide gauntlets of protection are the best 20:14 MC3 20:14 gauntlets of protection, hmf 20:14 so i am wearing the ring and i have that artifact bag which is supposed to be mc 1 20:14 hopefulyl they combine 20:14 wgeb i were spaltting giant monks, we never had no guantlets of protection 20:14 haha 20:14 dragonhide 20:15 going with dragonbane this game, but otherwise that's what i dod 20:15 do 20:15 and ideally CAST reflection 20:15 which frees the amulet slot 20:15 How many turns does that last? 20:15 it stacks as i recall 20:15 it's like haste self at basic i think 20:15 it does stack 20:15 and i set up a stop message for when it wears off 20:16 it is still kind of scary though 20:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:4556 20:16 k2 needs to implement fiq's self-maintaining spells 20:17 Oh yeah, maintaining light is awesome 20:17 lol. RSS for buffs 20:18 <@the_eternal_paradox> ok important question 20:18 <@the_eternal_paradox> does jumping help if you're flying? 20:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:5284 20:18 <@the_eternal_paradox> i.e., should I grab speed or jumping boots for my ascension kit if I have an "oF? 20:18 you *can* jump when flying, if I recall correctly 20:18 * tinklebear is certain 20:19 yes you can. does it do any good though 20:19 <@the_eternal_paradox> yea like jumping on the Astral 20:19 <@the_eternal_paradox> even though that's very far from right now 20:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:5461 20:20 sort of depends on how much you like to depend on jumping, imho. but don't listen to me 20:20 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 20:20 <@the_eternal_paradox> ok apparently you can jump if on a flying steed, so I guess you can jump when you fly yourself 20:20 krm26: Casting reflection (and haste self for that matter) really only work if you have the Eota... Then you can just stand still somewhere with some food and haste/reflect yourself for the game essentially 20:21 <@the_eternal_paradox> hmmm I think I'll just do speed :P 20:21 <@the_eternal_paradox> don't feel like hoarding speed potions 20:21 and it sucks because you have no idea how many turns you have... I usually try to right it down like prayer count or whatever 20:21 write* 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4963 20:22 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 20:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:43110 20:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible karibou's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:5829 20:24 the_eternal_paradox: you are Frozty? 20:26 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5143 20:28 Grr, this alhoon has defeated me. Gotta go find a cockasomething to smack him with 20:29 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 20:30 er, revising my guess to wintergalaxy88 20:30 * tinklebear is always confused 20:30 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 20:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) destroyed microlance's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:6276 20:31 RIP, microlance's ghost, the former bandit's ghost 20:32 F 20:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] FarmerTom3056 (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9820 20:35 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:38 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 20:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:5890 20:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3210 points, T:1763, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted tiger 20:45 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 20:49 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 2359 points, T:3818, killed by a snake 20:50 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 20:50 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 20:51 krm26: alhoons are the worst! 20:51 oh you are a priest? 20:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1430 points, T:495, killed by a chameleon imitating a rope golem 20:55 Yeah, trying one of the unascended evilhack combos, chaotic centaur priest 20:55 It is yucky 20:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Sam Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:2, blew herself up 20:55 I'm stuck between a Kathryn and an alhoon I can't cope with and toodling around hoping for a genocide drop 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 322 points, T:956, killed by a dagger, while sleeping 20:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] FarmerTom3056 (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:10620 20:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Val Hum Fem Neu), 3 points, T:31, killed by a newt 20:58 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Orc Mal Cha), 557 points, T:666, killed by a gnome 21:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Val Hum Fem Neu), 139 points, T:414, killed by a kobold zombie 21:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] FarmerTom3056 (Val Dwa Fem Law), 21513 points, T:10642, quit 21:03 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring an amulet of magic resistance, on T:9861 21:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Sam Hum Mal Law) murdered Hachi, his faithful little dog, on T:29 21:05 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Mal Cha), 407 points, T:572, killed by a giant spider 21:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) killed Aphrodite, on T:10157 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:21491 21:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 3549 points, T:992, killed by a pony zombie 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:31132 21:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Trenin (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at them by some watery tart, on T:5366 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Alex (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 289 points, T:1561, killed by a poisonous corpse 21:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2488 21:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:3060 21:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3784 21:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] Cuchullain (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4088 points, T:3799, killed by a bolt of lightning 21:29 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 21:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) genocided class ;, on T:31264 21:40 -!- spontiff has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:31297 21:42 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 21:42 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 548 points, T:1521, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2065 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law), 990 points, T:2078, killed by a warhorse 21:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:10510 21:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:31333 21:55 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Orc Mal Cha), 2554 points, T:3268, killed by a panther 21:58 <@the_eternal_paradox> hmm if I'm neutral but found Excalibur via bones, should I just use it? 22:00 could be worth it, depending on what kind of character you're playing 22:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Trenin (Kni Hum Fem Law), 11796 points, T:7906, killed by an ochre jelly 22:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:11972 22:05 I'm gonna be reduced to wishing for a stethoscope 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "Red Stapler", on T:31383 22:07 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 22:07 best wish ever ^ 22:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 58 points, T:181, killed by a fox 22:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] wintergalaxy88 (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:45197 22:09 lol, and Frozty got his wish! He's on a beach sipping coconut drinks 22:10 *his or her wish, pardon. not sure of Frozty the Curator's gender. 22:11 <@microlance> best be getting a golden stethoscope if you gotta wish for it 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1667980 points, T:31384, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/F/Frozty/nethack/dumplog/1606186376.nh.html 22:12 Gold is too heavy 22:12 WITH his red stapler 22:12 fixed bone 22:12 Unfortunately red is not an object property, so you have to content yourself with a meat stapler 22:13 Not if you are Frozty 22:13 Initech would understand 22:13 lol 22:15 <@microlance> sure gold is like 4 times heavier then bone. but also infinitely more bling 22:18 I always go clubbing rocking the bone grill 22:18 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 610 points, T:1137, killed by a piranha 22:18 #lo 22:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 384 points, T:1224, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted jackal 22:19 Having a hard time looting freenode 22:20 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 496 points, T:969, killed by a rabid dog 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3314 22:21 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 22:21 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:3370 22:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2963 22:26 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha) murdered Nicodemus, her faithful sewer rat, on T:410 22:29 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:13745 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 109332 points, T:24355, drowned in a pool of water by a giant eel 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:15178 22:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Cha) permanently converted to lawful, on T:13941 22:35 [hdf-us] [evil] asus (Con Orc Fem Cha), 347 points, T:1204, killed by a dwarf 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1599 points, T:1258, killed by a rabid rat 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Ran Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1796 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Ran Hum Mal Neu), 1696 points, T:1982, killed by a killer bee 22:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hob Fem Law), 69760 points, T:14153, killed by an ogre queen 22:42 [hdf-us] [nh4] Zoe (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 22098 points, T:1261, killed by a purple worm 22:42 I think that's the earliest/fastest I've ever died to a purple worm 22:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 14779 points, T:4093, killed by a fire ant zombie 22:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 21162 points, T:4816, killed by a giant mimic 22:46 [hdf-au] [slex] pityhero (Wiz Dun Mal Neu), 1083 points, T:1352, dissolved in molten lava 22:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:51767 22:48 <@microlance> is there some way to set it up so you get a pet only when playing knight? 22:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1344 22:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 6023 points, T:1410, killed by a priestess of the Devil 22:55 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 22:55 microlance: if there is a way, I want to know too 22:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Inf Hum Fem Una), 317 points, T:634, killed by a small mimic, while sleeping 23:01 <@microlance> there is something called CHOOSE under the wiki on options which might work. "Choose at random one of the comma-separated parameters as an active section name. Lines in other sections are ignored. This allows for a fine-tuned options set for particular roles." i wonder if that means random choice always becomes the char you have premade 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 1007 points, T:2473, killed by a giant ant 23:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Hea Elf Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +5 ogresmasher", on T:47 23:05 <@microlance> heh 23:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Hea Elf Mal Neu), 11 points, T:49, killed by a human barbarian called Keizo the Bandit 23:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2095 23:08 Dammit, not sure I can waste a wish on a Dragonbane failure since I'm actually trying to ascend this guy 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Conjurer, on T:4577 23:13 The Mitre of Holiness is really a piece of garbage quest artifact 23:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:2514 23:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 508 points, T:1012, killed by Ms. Trallwng; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 23:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Cha), 389 points, T:1240, killed by a magic missile 23:19 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) genocided alhoons, on T:52246 23:20 <@microlance> very odd its not 1/2 dmg versus all atleast. maybe only physical or spells tho 23:20 <@microlance> or give mr 23:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of protection", on T:52247 23:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:35500 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Mal Law), 36657 points, T:19456, killed by a troll 23:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:52332 23:24 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:52333 23:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1407 23:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:52450 23:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:52451 23:25 This is how Evilhack works for me 23:26 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:27 <@microlance> and i get worried about arti wishes at castle. wouldnt gold dsm MR cloak regular ring be better at that pont 23:27 <@microlance> point 23:27 I've got a full "bad" kit 23:28 Trying to free up my amulet slot 23:28 One more wish to waste the entire wand! 23:28 <@microlance> your forced to wear mr there? 23:28 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: fBNC - https://bnc4free.com] 23:28 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Pri Cen Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased ring of p'hul", on T:52451 23:28 There we go, so much for the castle wand 23:29 Luckily all my wishes failed because the game game my priest 3 random useless artifact sword drops in quick succession on my quest 23:29 So I had a 40% chance of getting the ring, which I failed 6 times 23:30 I am AMAZING 23:30 Still got a lamp I can waste too if I want 23:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hum Mal Cha) stole 5562 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Wonotobo's general store, on T:2239 23:31 microlance: I tried adding that CHOOSE thing at the end of my vanilla 3.7.0 config. After [char A] I set OPTIONS=role:knight,pettype:horse and after [char B] I set OPTIONS=role:!knight,pettype:none 23:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 915 points, T:2246, killed by a wand, while sleeping 23:31 it seemed to *sort of* work 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbo (Ran Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6215 23:32 <@microlance> and you get all the regular choices 23:32 Main mystery to me is how the character initialisation screen decides which alternative to present me with 23:32 Actually, I didn't. Not unless I rejected its suggestion 23:33 well, it's kind of complicated to describe. 23:34 but it seems to be totally random whether the first screen offers me "char A" or "char B" 23:34 <@microlance> perhaps its just meant to always be using pets or when wanting to play knight you commit for a while so you wont be annoyed by choosing random and getting something good ruined by pets 23:35 yeah, I can't say that doesn't sound more reliable! 23:35 one thing I did notice is that I needed to add it to the *end* of my config or else it blew away all my other settings. 23:36 Garbage code alert 23:36 * tinklebear ducks 23:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 24374 points, T:6774, killed by a dark young 23:38 !oObjectDetection are my smoky potion! 23:39 got a free wish... Is The Eye worth it for a healer? I'll need another source of reflection though. 23:39 What variant? 23:39 vanilla 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6666 23:39 I'm thinking not. Casting isn't my forte. 23:40 Mmmm, guess it depends on your strategy 23:40 You punching or petting? 23:40 considering how soft I am probably go for the orb of weight 23:40 petting as hard as I can 23:40 I tend to play very defensively so I'm thinking the orb is the way to go 23:41 If you want MR I'd do PYEC 23:41 I have GDSM already 23:41 Oh, thought you said something about MR, my bad 23:41 Reflection, I see 23:41 I think my monk plan was to wish for the Eye if I got the chance. I think orb is my safe wish. 23:42 Probably plenty of silver dragons to kill :-) 23:42 hopefully I get lucky! 23:42 I hate weight 23:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed orb of fate", on T:36385 23:42 it worked! 23:42 that should leave a nice bones now :) 23:42 Awesome 23:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2599 23:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:27554 23:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 461 points, T:2805, killed by a gecko, while fainted from lack of food 23:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Cha) stole 4475 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Wonotobo's general store, on T:1503 23:46 Another win for team gecko! 23:46 i like the orb of weight change in evil (in becomes a tooled horn that doesn't weigh much) 23:47 Gjallar 23:47 yeah 23:47 makes it a better wish for sure 23:48 Gjallarhorn is just a completely different artifact entirely and a real good looking one 23:48 Orb of Weight is solid, just needs buffs to the base item 23:50 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 23:50 <@microlance> i have a dream that involves the gjallar if it would even work. giant neu barb for the flail skill, getting magicbane, gjallar and going chaotic for yeeno flail. the stuns would be awesome 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bond697 (Sam Hum Mal Law) murdered Hachi, his faithful little dog, on T:553 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3443 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3443 23:51 <@microlance> damn, it should be valk but getting flails with crowning somehow. its hard to achieve i guess 23:52 I really want to play Evilhack, but I requires more self control than I can muster. 23:53 -!- tromix has quit [Client Quit] 23:54 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 23:55 Howso? 23:55 ONE OF US 23:57 maybe not self control... patience? 23:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 3925 points, T:1682, killed by a gnome lord 23:58 I get overwhelmed with all the the new monsters, dangers, items, magic stuff, rules. 23:58 Though, I've managed to get ascend splice a few times, but evil seems so much more chaotic.