00:00 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pri Dwa Fem Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2734 00:04 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pri Dwa Fem Law) had Balmung bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:3538 00:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Ana Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:23885 00:06 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 00:06 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pri Dwa Fem Law), 2752 points, T:3549, taken down by a werebear 00:06 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 00:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Ana Hlf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:23908 00:13 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 553 points, T:1722, killed by an orc zombie 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 889 points, T:1219, killed by an ettin zombie 00:17 -!- spleen has quit [Quit: Leaving] 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 8240 points, T:25441, quit 00:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 1130 points, T:2133, killed by a giant spider 00:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1887 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11599 00:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:2463 00:28 <@luxidream> !lastasc karnac 00:28 -!- tonehack has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:28 @luxidream: No last ascension for karnac. 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kougyoku (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:11629 00:30 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 00:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8053 00:38 -!- uruwi has quit [Quit: andoova!] 00:39 [hdf-us] [slex] tinklebear (Dem Dro Mal Law), 40361 points, T:6427, killed by a monster (Mr. Morven, the shopkeeper) 00:42 "Your ceramic ring turns to dust and vanishes"... ceramic materials insulate against electricity. 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3114 00:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3120 00:54 Your finger turns to dust and vanishes! Your ceramic ring is unharmed. 00:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Ana Hlf Mal Cha), 411647 points, T:26906, escaped 00:55 good point - why couldn't ring material affect its chance of disintegrating? 00:57 iron ring could cause more damage, ceramic would cause less. 01:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 188 points, T:172, killed by a gnome 01:02 certainly the more conductive rings should do more damage if worn when destroyed 01:02 silver, gold, and copper in particular, i guess? 01:03 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) stole 4 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Kipawa's general store, on T:32652 01:03 i suppose the engagement ring is gold too 01:03 (it better be) 01:03 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:2200 01:10 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 01:10 does anyone know of a good tutorial post or video on getting curses to work with putty? I have not had any success trying to set it up in my rc file. It always looks really bad lots of letters for walls and ~ for floor tiles. 01:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 955 points, T:3067, killed by a kitten 01:14 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wood nymph, on T:12060 01:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2735 01:14 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 28 points, T:72, killed by a sewer rat 01:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 23 points, T:201, killed by a falling rock 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Cav Hum Fem Law), 1433 points, T:1154, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 4174 points, T:3246, killed by a gnome zombie 01:22 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) made their first wish - "Blessed Magic Mirror of Merlin", on T:12299 01:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 409 points, T:653, killed by a crossbow bolt 01:24 -!- telegarn has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:25 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 01:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:26 nimsumzero: I don't use PuTTY, but I found this with a search engine: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Talk:Curses_interface 01:26 nimsumzero: set the encoding to utf-8 in settings 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful chameleon, on T:6749 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 9 points, T:146, killed by a falling rock 01:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:7481 01:36 [hdf-us] [spl] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1132 points, T:520, inhumed by a small mimic 01:37 [hdf-us] [spl] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 29 points, T:100, killed by a bear trap 01:40 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 01:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Cav Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1015 01:46 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) attained the rank of Page of Scales, on T:13626 01:47 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by Odin, on T:8587 01:53 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 01:53 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 01:53 !pom 01:53 JonathanHanes: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 8 days. 01:54 !who 01:54 JonathanHanes: [hdf-us] eitbo [tnnt] BoisterousSloth [evil] nimsumzero [nh370] Thidwick [nh370] Karnac [nh370] tinklebear [nh370] nekochan [spl] | [hdf-eu] Glord [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 01:58 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 01:59 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 01:59 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 02:00 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:04 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:06 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:07 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 02:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Priest, on T:9665 02:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9877 02:12 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3519 02:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 3294 points, T:2873, killed by a kobold 02:18 -!- tinklebear has left #hardfought 02:22 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 02:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed nimsumzero's ghost, the former Magician, on T:10918 02:30 -!- nimsumzero has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:30 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 02:34 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:11136 02:41 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Aphrodite, on T:2574 02:49 [hdf-us] [evil] BoisterousSloth (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:65643 02:57 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) entered Sokoban, on T:18647 02:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 70569 points, T:12002, killed by a lieutenant 03:19 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:22 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:33 Hmm, looks like I have a substantial orctown bones. 03:34 Demo and nabru. 03:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Demo's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:4946 03:36 Very problematic, as I've no robe, and basically had AC:7 03:42 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:5035 03:43 Yeah, couldn't do it. :( 03:43 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 11765 points, T:5069, killed by an orc-captain 04:00 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 596 points, T:242, killed by a giant cockroach 04:08 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 158 points, T:359, killed by a giant spider 04:20 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 04:21 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 04:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1799 04:31 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 04:31 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] sonsie (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:32310 04:34 <@riker> !tell k2 made a PR for the new monster to replace the sam quest samurai, hopefully this would mean no funky business has to be done re: checking is_giant / throws_rocks or anything like that. no role template reuse necessary! (this seems to work fine, please test it on your end, note that in-game there's no easy way to tell if they're a 'ronin' or a 'samurai' unless you're a racial giant - in which case they're still 'bugged') 04:34 I'm on it, @riker. 04:34 <@riker> thanks beholder 👍 04:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2058 04:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] sonsie (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:32490 04:39 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:44 [hdf-us] [evil] BoisterousSloth (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:66438 04:47 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 05:00 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:05 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:08 "You enter the sewers of the Gnomish Mines" 05:11 (Never got this deep before) 05:11 :o 05:14 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 9339 points, T:4167, killed by a giant leech 05:14 What really killed me was teh Rat King. 05:14 :( 05:14 rip 05:14 I'm gettingi way better at this. :D 05:16 arahael: i tried to realtime speedrun yesterday lol 05:17 Yeah, how'd it go? 05:17 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:18 lots of sub-15min splats 05:18 one castle splat 05:18 2 hours 05:18 one astral splat 7 hours or so 05:18 Heh. Nice. I'm using your nethack configuration (for the most part) - it's pretty nifty. 05:19 i think it has way too many autopickup rules tbh 05:19 Yeah, I got rid of those. :D I don't like autopickup. 05:19 but yeah it has soime cool stuff 05:19 most of it i nicked off other people 05:20 I still seem to be best at monk in evilhack. 05:20 nice 05:21 And as long as my AC is negative, I do OK, as long as I don't go too deep, too fast. (But I always go too deep, too fast) 05:22 what if you're not going too deep, too fast 05:22 what if you're not going fast enough? :O 05:23 I *always* go too deep too fast! :D 05:23 maybe if you go even faster you win 05:24 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 05:24 Haha. :) Oooh, just killed this dwarf... Had a mithril helm, mithril boots, *and* mithril roundshield. I think I'm going to put the helm and boots on, without bothering to buc it. 05:26 yesterady i was trying to realtime speedrun barbarians 05:26 i think today i will try priest 05:26 Once you get enough AC, it all becomes much easier. 05:26 no doubt 05:27 aoei: What's your technique for avoiding sticky situations caused by going too fast? I think this is why I do so much better as monk: Intrinsic speed. 05:27 idk 05:27 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 05:27 -!- Borto has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:27 depends what resources I have 05:28 run away or dig to the next level are pretty choice methods 05:28 I should do the digging more often. 05:28 also with experience you get better at recognising potentialy sticky situations a bit ahead of time 05:28 and avoid them 05:29 tho of course that works only for a subset 05:29 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:31 and then there's all your standard scare or escape items 05:32 tele wands or scrolls, ^T if you have teleitis, bugle/tooled horn, the camera, the spell of cause fear, scare monster scrolls 05:32 much if not all of this is of course nerfed in EvilHack 05:32 and I don't really play EvilHack much 05:32 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:32 elenmirie__ can maybe give better tips 05:32 Yeah, and the trouble is the early game. 05:34 me? I just die a lot 05:34 but you *have* managed to beat EvilHack, as I recall 05:34 in evilhack, one of the important things is to get a helm early, even if it's cursed 05:34 cursed hat is better than no hat 05:35 and kick the trees! 05:35 yeah! 05:35 i remember you told me that before :D 05:35 yeah, finding some early eucalyptus is huge 05:35 so many games end to zombie illness 05:35 i have yet to try to employ these strats much 05:35 Zombies are a big problem usually - thhough oddly not these past few days. 05:35 on account of not playing evilhc 05:36 ack a whole lot 05:36 Why is the helm so important, though? 05:36 protects you from zombies 05:36 i think 05:36 because the zombie bite to the head is what makes you ill 05:36 Ah, because the zombies eat the *brains*, and that causes the TermIll? And if you have a helm, that stops it? 05:36 Aha. 05:36 hence the hats for doggos movement 05:36 well, not stops it, but protects against it 05:36 lowers the risk 05:37 Nice. 05:37 Yeah, nothing in evil seems to be total. 05:37 that's also why shopkeepers have hats in evil, because they were getting zombified too much :D 05:38 lol! 05:38 Ha. Nice. 05:38 Ok, so I need to always wear a helm. Any other tips? 05:38 don't die 05:38 I've noticed that this particular shop has a bag for $200, but it has coins for $300-something inside it, why is the bag only $200? 05:38 stenno: Good tip. 05:39 oh yeah, not dying is a good one 05:39 oh, yeah, I must remember that one! 05:39 highly recommend not dying 05:39 trouble is, I keep forgetting to remember it 05:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1498 05:39 its just so important tho elenmirie__ 05:39 i know, i know! 05:39 most games are unwinnable if you die 05:41 Sometimes you die and fail to succeed, though. 05:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 588 points, T:1612, killed by an orc zombie 05:41 yeah 05:42 i think dying is the most common failure tho 05:42 alive in an unwinnable game is somewhat rare 05:43 I'm glad I asked for tips, got two really good tips. 05:43 One easy to use, the other cnosiderably harder, but still, it's a good outcome. 05:43 lol 05:44 also, it can be useful to remember that things can rust/burn away 05:44 -!- telegarn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:44 Yeah, I did notice that. 05:44 so if you do end up with a -2 orcish helm, and you find a better one, you can get rid of it by soaking your head in a fountain 05:44 I've yet to quite get past the early game. 05:45 Still learning what's nasty in evil. Eg, that Rat King! Really didn't expect that, and didn't expect it to call up help, I got surrounded by nasties. 05:45 elenmirie__: Oh, nice! 05:45 does nobody remember the 'dont die' meme :< 05:46 https://nhqdb.alt.org/?1427 05:46 of course, it works the other way, too, you can lose your COMR if it's not fooproofed, for instance 05:46 lol stenno 05:47 it was a thing back in the old days 05:47 stenno: Doesn't that predate evilhack, though? ;) 05:47 coincidentally it can also be applied to evilhack, yeah 05:48 Is the same true to all the other tips from nethack? ;) 05:48 (All of them) 05:48 probably not 05:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 429 points, T:522, killed by a dwarf 05:50 [hdf-us] [evil] BoisterousSloth (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) murdered her faithful giant centipede, on T:67308 05:51 rip 05:51 breakfast time 05:51 and then some more nethack 05:52 F 05:52 aoei: I think you ignored stenno's tip. 05:52 yeah 05:52 i flouted it wantonly 05:55 That's not very mature of you. 05:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1057 points, T:1270, killed by a wand 05:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Swn Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3650 05:58 Curious, I don't seemt o be able to see half the monsters on this level. It's as if I don't have see-invis. 05:59 Which means I've somehow lost it. 06:03 Seriously? How many turns does one stay stunned for? 06:03 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 6077 points, T:2445, killed by a gnome king, while praying 06:04 I managed to kill like 4 enemies and do a lap around the room... All whilst stunned. 06:04 that's odd, I killed a dwarf and now her stuff is embedded in a wall 06:08 <@luxidream> elenmirie: there appears to a bug with phasing dwarves 06:08 <@luxidream> glord was seeing it too earlier today 06:09 ok, so a known bug? 06:09 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:10 <@luxidream> I don't think it's been reported yet 06:10 ok, I'll report it then 06:11 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:12 <@luxidream> thanks, I was going to look at his ttyrec but then got distracted by other stuff 06:16 no prob, I mentioned that others had seen it as well in my report 06:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2318 points, T:1135, killed by a goblin-captain called Rukugor of Unaz 06:17 ^^ AC:-1 or something, and smote me in *one* hit, I still have a bit of difficulty knowing just how much a monster might take off. 06:17 The attacks are much more variable in evil. 06:18 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 06:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:30 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (large mimics), on T:912 06:32 lux: i might take a leaf out your book and try some orcs 06:32 i rolled random orc but dint't want ranger and quit lol 06:32 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1700 06:32 !rng wiz | rogue | barb 06:32 aoei: wiz 06:33 \o/ orc wiz 06:33 Orcs are nice - pois resis, and have intravision. 06:37 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 06:38 <@luxidream> Orc wiz needs no useless stats like intelligence 06:38 oh, here's another bug: get led out of a vault by a guard, and the tunnel stays 06:38 sadly, the wall of the vault closed up so I still have to wait to get my gold back 06:42 sounds like they mucked up the digging code somehow 06:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "holy fixed +5 silver dragon scale mail", on T:1243 06:51 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 7084 points, T:2640, killed by a bolt of cold 06:51 Another great game, that one. 06:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:1964 06:57 lux: that was 30 min to get the luckstone lol 06:58 im sure you'd have done it in 5-10 06:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Pri Elf Fem Cha) destroyed tsingi's ghost, the former Trailblazer, on T:3445 06:58 luxidream: I started with a marker and wrote sleep and healing, marker is still 0:45 or so :3 07:02 hmm i guess i keep my potions of healing this time because extra healing is smoky 07:03 saved tho im running late for another game now 07:04 * aoei likes orc wiz already 07:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:12562 07:05 You hear groans and moans everywhere. This place looks familiar... 07:05 does it? 07:05 from my last ascension or what? 07:05 maybe related to the downstairs bug 07:05 gotta keep that in mind 07:07 stenno: I think there's a ghost there with your name. 07:07 must be a new change then 07:07 kinda makes sense i guess 07:08 oh wait forgetting dungeon levels isn't a thing anymore anyway, right? 07:08 No, that's still a thing. 07:09 Eg, by reading a scroll of amnesia, or I think getting sucked by a mindflayer without a helm. 07:09 [hdf-au] [nh370] DarkLightDragon (Val Hum Fem Law), 46153 points, T:10734, killed by a minotaur 07:09 in 3.7? sure about that? 07:10 arahael: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/fjj5ab/nethack_37_will_revamp_amnesia_allowing_for/ 07:10 thats separate arahael, also doenst apply to the valley when you first visit it 07:10 can't have amnesia bout a level you've not been in yet 07:10 (also there is no level forgetting anymore) 07:10 nice 07:11 i hate taht shit 07:11 lol 07:11 see reddit link 07:11 i was _very_ enthusiastic about it so i made that post 07:11 no time 07:11 Nice. :) I thought it only applied to mind flayers when you had a helm. 07:11 well i guess it could be that they adjusted it again since then 07:14 I dunno, I don't tend to read scrolls of amnesia so not sure. :) 07:15 well now there's actually some use case to it as you can see from the post 07:24 -!- Borto has joined #hardfought 07:25 !lastgame tsingi 07:25 Tangles: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tsingi/nethack/dumplog/1607138711.nh.html 07:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had a staff entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:1905 07:28 A staff!? 07:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had an apron entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:2115 07:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 5099 points, T:2362, killed by a fire ant, while reading a book 07:34 Uh... Interesting. 07:37 elenmirie__: I've got your bones! 07:37 (In 3.7) 07:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:359 07:37 plenty of them about 07:42 elenmirie__: "cursed local delicacy" <-- Sounds about right. 07:42 heh 07:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 6957 points, T:4225, killed by a blast of frost 07:44 -!- krm26 has joined #hardfought 07:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Robber, on T:13879 07:48 D'oh. Accidentally made unholy water on the altar. 07:48 Unholy water is the best 07:48 not the worst thing 07:49 Yeah, I guess it's lucky that I'm still early game and so didn't buy any protection yet. 07:50 Lost an xp level, but that's all. 07:50 @riker awesome! 07:50 K2: Message from @riker at 2020-12-05 04:34 EST: made a PR for the new monster to replace the sam quest samurai, hopefully this would mean no funky business has to be done re: checking is_giant / throws_rocks or anything like that. no role template reuse necessary! (this seems to work fine, please test it on your end, note that in-game there's no easy way to tell if they're a 'ronin' or a 'samurai' unless you're a racial giant - in which case they're still 'bugged') 07:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1342 08:01 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:6895 08:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:6905 08:02 elenmirie__: Looks like you had a magic lamp 08:02 oh, that one, yeah 08:03 enjoy! 08:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:6945 08:03 elenmirie__: All my water is unholy, though! :D 08:03 I haven't been keeping a paper record but I think this is the 10th time in a row the EvilHack castle wand of wishing has been used up by a monster in my first 20 turns on the level 08:04 krm26: It's not even guaranteed, isn't it? 08:04 The /oW? I think it is guaranteed in EvilHack 08:04 It is? 08:04 in the castle yes 08:04 Well, you still have 4 wishes from it, then 08:04 AH, no - just one. 08:04 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1404 points, T:2115, killed by a dwarf zombie 08:05 no 08:05 You can't wrest anymore? 08:05 the castle wand in evilhack 1) will always be there and 2) is 0:x 08:05 And you can't charge it? 08:05 so even if a monster gets it and uses it, you can still get 4 wishes from it 08:05 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 08:05 yes you can charge it 08:06 Oh, crap - elenmirie__ Sorry, wasted the lamp. Didn't pay attention and mis-stepped in minetown, got *wacked* by a hobbit. 08:06 The wand is uncharged? Then I've developed this complex because of a spare wand of wishing in a game in February when I heard the wishes being made :-) 08:06 Feel better now though 08:06 monster wont recharge it *unless* they also happen to come across a scroll of charging on their own (they wont wish one up) 08:06 monsters don't wrest either. 08:06 correct 08:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 26583 points, T:12049, killed by a wood golem 08:06 The worst thing for a monster to get their hands on is a wand of digging 08:07 The NPCs have their escape routines down cold 08:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 5208 points, T:7012, killed by a dwarf lord 08:07 Wish they wouldn't treat all the other monsters as friendlies though 08:08 krm26 the only charged wands of wishing you'll come across in evilhack are the rare random ones 08:08 Makes sense 08:08 And polymorphed ones? 08:08 (Super rare, I expect) 08:08 You can't poly up a wand of wishing 08:08 more rare than vanilla yes 08:08 Can you? 08:08 and no you cant poly up a wand of wishing 08:09 krm26 do you happen to use uncursed or blessed magic mapping at the castle? 08:09 I don't think I've ever used mapping at the castle 08:10 ah ok, you have just been very unlucky it sounds like... 08:10 yup 08:10 i can sometimes reach the castle wand untouched 08:10 sometimes not 08:11 and it also depends on which castle level loads 08:11 I made the mistake once of using blessed mapping and showing the bastards the doors 08:11 hah 08:11 yes depends on the specific castle 08:13 i had them wish up an archon figurine once 08:14 (the castle guards) 08:14 that sucked actually 08:14 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:54606 08:14 but usually they don't get to the wand. It's probably happened to me 2 or 3 times? 08:14 wow smoky potion wish 08:15 nice 08:15 i thought it was possible at some point, and the reason why minotaurs don't respect E is because you could farm polyfodder htrough /oDig 08:15 maybe thats just a myth though 08:17 It was. 08:17 But you can't create a wand of polymorph by polypiling any more. 08:18 i meant that it was possible to get a wand of wishing through polymorph 08:19 Interesting. 08:19 K2: is it really a good idea to let monsters steal the castle wow and use it 08:19 stenno: I think it's pretty evil... 08:19 stenno yes it fits the narrative 08:19 i guess you just have to use the stuff that the monster wished for 08:20 and you have to hope it wishes for stuff that you need 08:20 What do they end up wishing for, usually? 08:20 in grunthack, the first thing a monster will wish up is a blessed scroll of charging. in that variant, if they get the wand, you're completely assed out 08:21 in evil they wont wish for ?oCharging? 08:21 so you will get at least a 0:0? 08:22 1:0 08:22 castle wow comes precharged? 08:22 ok 08:22 no. i mean you'd find the wand 0:0 08:22 sorry' 08:22 ah, ok 08:22 ok, thats not _too_ bad then 08:23 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide T-shirt of telepathy", on T:44841 08:24 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/muse.c#L3609 08:24 ^ list of what monsters can wish for 08:26 stenno: the newer Chrome versions have a change in Intl.Segmenter (used string splitting), somehow breaking hterm. the newer hterm has a fix for that but also removed a deprecated feature: allowing utf-8 literals in utf-16 strings. wstty.js did mix utf-8 and utf-16, changing everything to utf-8 fixed that. 08:26 Gotta have that woodchuck 08:26 :) 08:26 What's with the woodchuck thing? 08:26 CARL :-) 08:26 One wonders why they're guarding the wand in the first place if they just immediately resort to using it the first time a hero shows up 08:26 oh Intl things, interesting 08:26 Once you start questioning dungeon ecology you are in deep weeds 08:26 stenno: and then a translation feature within hterm just breaks when they changed it to use async. not sure if we have a problem in the setup or if it's a genuine bug (code path is quite confusing) 08:27 can you show me the code? 08:27 finding the wand on the floor 0:0 sucks. It doesn't matter what they do in grunt! lol 08:27 Dammit, I have a glass problem. I can't stop picking up that crap even though I'm always too bored to turn it into gems before ascending 08:27 i assume its in a git repo somewhere? 08:28 it doesn't happen all that much ime though... 08:28 rebatela: yeah, "at least it's not grunt" is not a very compelling argument... 08:28 K2: Thanks for the code reference there, at least half of those wishes seem useful, at least. Anyway, g'night! 08:28 gnite 08:28 and yes they are, it's usually not a total bust 08:29 aosdict: no argument is needed. monsters can use wands of wishing in evilhack. case closed 08:30 I basically never use Elbereth (I think last time was in 2018), but I thought that in EvilHack you had to learn its spelling from somewhere before using it? Just curious, never found a rumor or fortune cookie or deity-message with the spelling 08:30 sokoban 08:31 castle wand 08:32 never really used elbereth either but it's always engraved in those spots with scroll of scare monster i think 08:32 Ahhh, duh, read it in Sokoban. Never made the connection, thanks 08:32 Elbereth is a big lacuna in my playstyle 08:34 TWO /oD from the Castle, I'm being spoiled 08:35 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:6708 08:36 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 08:37 I love it when a gelatinous cube keeps the loot chest safe from the soldiers in its belly 08:43 i do not like those things lol 08:44 no free action and they are like insta death 08:44 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Hea Elf Fem Neu), 24 points, T:169, cut down by an efreet 08:44 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:45 Free action reminds me, K2, was there an EvilHack change so you can't ever use wished quest artifacts? I wished up the Ring of P'hul (2nd best artifact after Dragonbane) on a neutral but it would only evade my grasp 08:46 right, its chaotic 08:46 thats vanilla rules 08:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2310 08:46 Chaotic? Why did I think it was neutral? Dammit. Can you run neutral Barbarians now? 08:46 you can wish for quest artifacts fine, same rules apply from vanilla nethack 08:46 yes barbs can be neutral 08:46 I must have accidentally transferred the default alignment after running a neutral Barbarian. My bad 08:47 I am awful in that I pretty much only play Nethack while waiting on a toolchain or diddling with an irritating algorithm, so I never have more than half my attention engaged :-/ 08:47 i made the barbarian quest artifact chaotic because 1) it should have been from the outset 2) it gives MR and is the only chaotic artifact to do so (chaotics needed some love) 08:48 krm26 heh 08:48 Oh so this was a change. Makes sense 08:48 Dammit I made this Wizard neutral specifically for the ring :-) 08:48 \o/ 08:48 I don't care about ascending any more, I just want each character to have Dragonbane and P'hul equipped 08:49 not possible unless you do some HoOA shenanigans 08:49 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:35069 08:49 Does the item stay equipped through helm changes? That is well worth it 08:49 stenno: https://gist.github.com/bhaak/c8b57342c745d03f66c13b3841ef9181 https://chromium.googlesource.com/apps/libapps/+/c2ced99ed7c7fc3af7d1aacb6a16189f30e5925d 08:49 thanks 08:49 you can get sick res from wearing gold dragon scales fyi 08:49 I'm betting there is no way to specify what alignment you get from a HoOA with a wish 08:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 2842 points, T:2485, killed by a dagger 08:49 krm26 i'm not sure 08:50 <{Demo}> hey k2 how does evil buff the sam qa? 08:50 {Demo} ? 08:50 <{Demo}> it's one of the less desirable ones 08:50 what is 08:50 <{Demo}> the samurai quest artifact 08:50 yay for specifics 08:51 <{Demo}> Sam qa 08:51 i've tweaked it a bit 08:51 <{Demo}> that's nethacker slang for samurai quest artifact 08:51 really? I thought you were telling your friend Sam to perform quality assurance 08:51 bhaak: yeah that doesn't make much sense 08:52 {Demo} - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/0fa6cf7cca49b4a3e0e9c4e5edda746cf77f0b8a 08:54 bhaak: isn't this what happens here? https://chromium.googlesource.com/apps/libapps/+/master/hterm/doc/embed.md#app_hterm 08:54 A few APIs are also provided to pass in UTF-16 strings with UTF-8 code units, but those are deprecated and should be avoided. This covers hterm.Terminal.IO's writeUTF8 API 08:55 <{Demo}> half phys on carry or only wield? 08:55 half phys damage from the samurai quest arti is pretty cool 08:55 good question... 08:55 I can test that in-game, I have lots of enlightment :-) 08:56 on carry 08:56 <{Demo}> lmao 08:57 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 08:58 hmm 08:58 on carry only? sad 08:58 must fix 08:58 should be on wield 08:58 same with angelslayer btw 08:58 thanks {Demo} 08:58 mobileuser ok 08:58 half spell damage on carry 08:59 and I disagree this needs fixing :-) 09:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1666 points, T:1204, killed by a hill orc called Ogulai of Rukogothu, while sleeping 09:00 hah of course 09:00 :P 09:02 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:03 <{Demo}> i tried to send a message but it failed 09:04 lawful needs a mr quest artifact... 09:04 <{Demo}> it wasnt very nice i dont think so maybe thats good 09:04 rebatela there is one 09:04 not like i have wishes anyway 09:04 sceptre of might 09:04 <{Demo}> the problem is, people don't use the sam qa because it is dangerous to use a two hander because you can get your hands stuck to it, and because the damage i just not as good as two weaponing onehanders 09:05 ahhh sceptre of might 09:05 hmmm 09:05 {Demo} as a giant samurai you can one hand the tsurugi 09:05 <{Demo}> yeah 09:05 <{Demo}> but for non giants, it doesn't really address the problem I guess 09:05 plus artifacts resist being cursed fairly well 09:06 i dont see it as a huge issue 09:06 <{Demo}> it would be interesting to see what other tsurugi buffs have been done 09:06 <{Demo}> even a slight dmg increase might make it more viable, idk 09:06 its made of steel so it gets +1 09:07 <{Demo}> also really funny op idea: why don't sam giant start with a tsrugi instead of a katana? 09:07 sceptre of might is a mace K2 09:07 mobileuser correct 09:07 no mace skill for samurai 09:07 that wasnt the question :) 09:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1043 points, T:781, killed by an arrow 09:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1338 09:07 do you have to weild for the mR? 09:07 K2, EvilHack quest artifacts should be properties applied to a random list of object types. Magicbane might be a staff one game, a dagger or athame the next. Asklepios might be a staff or gloves, etc. 09:08 krm26 hah 09:08 That would "spice up" the ascension kit process 09:08 it would also 'spice up' peoples anger 09:08 Indeed. It would almost be...evil 09:08 K2 but the point is, you nerfed MR for lawful on a couple of quest artis 09:08 magicbane is a tin opener?? 09:08 Oh YEAH 09:09 Or a camera (can't catch magic on film) 09:09 mobileuser - one artifact (magic mirror of merlin) 09:09 even if it's a staff, it prevents you from using a shield 09:09 there is another one K2 09:09 archaeologist or something? 09:09 what am i forgetting 09:09 (looking it ip now) 09:09 *up 09:09 <{Demo}> yooooo boulder bowling! 09:09 <{Demo}> its the next tnnt branch! 09:09 jilles - magicbane as a staff has worked out pretty well 09:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 5233 points, T:1512, killed by a lightning bolt 09:10 <{Demo}> isnt making magicbane a staff a nerf? 09:10 Nerfs are fine 09:10 no 09:10 <{Demo}> its two handed and no fast engrave 09:10 it's a nerf in the sense that you can't use a shield 09:11 pros and cons 09:11 it's a buff in the sense that it does more damage, and has basic skill immediately for a wizard 09:11 K2 I was wrong :b 09:11 heh 09:11 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 09:11 its all good, not bad to check 09:11 <{Demo}> its marginally more dmg 09:11 oh wait 09:11 <{Demo}> and loses athame tohit bonus 09:12 rebatela is right? 09:12 archaeologist no more MR 09:12 im always right.. wait what did i say? 09:12 archaeologist 09:12 ah 09:12 yeah i knew there was another one 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 speed boots", on T:37679 09:12 but the new arch quest artifact is bad ass 09:12 but no MR 09:13 oh well 09:13 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 608 points, T:1722, killed by a giant bat 09:13 I want a quest artifact with slow digestion. Should be on the monk's 09:13 hehe. it's cool. I mean, lawful is objectively harder because of it 09:13 God has to support their asceticism 09:14 lawful giant at least. fun challenge 09:14 tin opener of slow digestion. slotless slow mo 09:14 <{Demo}> "A cloud of brightly colored smoke billows up around you!" 09:14 And Magicbane should sense disenchanters 09:15 This random Sunsword and Sting are going to screw with my Dragonbane wish, I can feel it... 09:15 lol welcome to my world 09:16 i feel my blood pressure spike whenever i find sting in bones 09:16 krm26 with extreme patience it is possible to get dragonbane as a sac gift 09:16 it is unaligned 09:17 I didn't get my promised Magicbane until 41k, not sticking around for anything else 09:17 I can well imagine :-) 09:17 just looked at your game, you're kicking ass krm26! 09:18 if you get a very high XP level though, saccing gets you more artifacts 09:18 and i got hterm updated before he started playing! no more bumping krm26 offline lol 09:18 Yeah, this game is missing one wish :-) 09:18 <--- bad and must be punished 09:19 I tend to boredom-kill myself after getting my ascension kit together though 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:37849 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:37851 09:19 oh wow man 09:20 <{Demo}> uhhh, orc zombie town? 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased +2 Dragonbane", on T:45886 09:20 oh i see how this is meant 09:20 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 09:20 Dammit, disappeared 09:20 strategy article for master assassin says: 09:20 Instead of reaching him directly, you can also use a drum of earthquake, a cursed potion of invisibility, the shriek of a shrieker, or the psychic blast of a mind flayer to wake him up while you're standing on the upstair. 09:21 Cursed !oI is the best technique IMO 09:21 here, 'psychic blast of a mind flayer' does _not_ mean polyself into mind flayer and #monster while on upstairs 09:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 Dragonbane", on T:45888 09:21 doh 09:21 Second wish disappeared, I'm a luckwagon 09:21 twice 09:21 oh man that sucks 09:21 because the #monster range for mind blast is 8 09:22 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 Dragonbane", on T:45888 09:22 \o/ 09:22 Got it. No NPC to lootbag :( 09:22 stenno it may have used to be level wide? 09:22 at least you got it ! 09:22 I even set up the Sokoban torture dungeon for them 09:22 worst is blowing 3 wishes and still not getting it! 09:22 aosdict: not sure 09:22 or it still is level wide in terms of the "feeling faint psychic wave of energy" and it only harms things within radius 8 09:22 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:23 Now I can wear my amulet of flying (the *third* best item in the game :-) 09:23 <{Demo}> aosdict, it has always been level wide for monsters, but limited for the player 09:23 yeah flying is fun 09:23 aosdict: no, it will continue early through the monster linked list if distu < 64 09:24 <{Demo}> how do I damage a ghost in evilhack? my katana just passes through it :( 09:24 Wish flying was an object property 09:24 it's nice to free up that amulet slot though (for flying, guarding, life saving etc) 09:25 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 09:25 Since you have the eota, you might want to try the reflection spell some time (it stacks like haste self) 09:25 guess i have to poly into xorn then 09:25 Guarding is a pretty nifty new innovation 09:25 dragonbane is such a good item though 09:26 Dragonbane is the best, hands-down 09:26 but somtimes i'll opt for dragonhide gauntlets of protection and cast reflect 09:26 don't get the acid resistance though 09:27 dragonbane helps a lot against demo and kathryn. they both have those crazy acid attacks that do like 200hp dmg or whatevr 09:27 shit i might just die here lol 09:27 I like AuDSM, Dbane, RoP'hul for classes that support it 09:28 yeah that's quite the combo! 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] BifphWombat (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5513 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2902 09:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:15215 09:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:15216 09:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] BifphWombat (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:5623 09:31 man that was intense lol 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:3612 09:37 guess i am getting mines end luckstone 09:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Sam Gia Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:3875 09:43 intense is fun 09:43 yes 09:43 <{Demo}> wow found a -5 ac dwarf lord 09:44 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 09:44 the reason why the unnethack ascension run is cool and the pre-3.7 vanilla ascension run sucks 09:44 hug him, make him your friend 09:44 unnethack asc run is intense 09:44 yes 09:44 evilhack borrowed sporkhack/unnethack asc run 09:44 <{Demo}> i killed him and took his sick hat 09:44 tweaked it a bit 09:44 nice 09:45 WAY better than mysterious force 09:45 indeed 09:46 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 612 points, T:2353, killed by a large mimic 09:47 <@K2> hi 09:47 Hello @K2, Welcome to #hardfought 09:48 <@K2> 😛 09:48 <{Demo}> uh oh, minetown wish as a sam giant in evilahck 09:48 <{Demo}> what do i do? 09:48 blessed figurine of a woodchuck named Carl 09:49 <{Demo}> are artiwishes allowed even after finding artis ine vil? 09:49 <{Demo}> considering "The Sword of Bheleu" but maybe i should go for a non artifact armor piece? 09:49 <{Demo}> how do giants get MR? 09:50 <{Demo}> and reflection 09:50 amulet of magic resistance 09:51 dragonbane is a good wish demo 09:51 dragonbane or "oR for reflection 09:51 reflection, mc3, acid resistance 09:51 you lawful, so not much artiwishing choices 09:51 *are 09:51 also if MC is important to you, get gauntlets of protection 09:51 <{Demo}> hmm gonna go dragon bane 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Sam Gia Fem Law) made her first wish - "Blessed +2 fixed dragonbane", on T:4701 09:52 now hope you get amulet of MR in soko... 09:53 <{Demo}> motherfucker 09:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2589 09:53 [hdf-eu] [slshm] Thagomizer (Bar Dop Fem Neu), 21254 points, T:5823, killed by a jaguar, while helpless 09:53 <{Demo}> welp, im not getting that anytime soon 09:53 <{Demo}> almost killed the guy that spawned with it 09:53 <{Demo}> but he had a wand of digging and got away 09:54 shit :-( 09:54 :) 09:54 go after if its almost dead 09:54 and walk into a polytrap :b 09:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:16098 09:56 <{Demo}> no k2 09:56 <{Demo}> id have to chase it all the way to mines end 09:56 do it 09:56 :P 09:56 https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/k78tal/down_stairs_goes_to_random_level/ 09:57 is that a known bug? 09:57 yes, people have been reporting it all yesterday 09:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3039 09:58 <{Demo}> no k2 i only got it down that low cause the game broke 09:58 yeah that's the worst when they have digging wands 09:58 <{Demo}> stood diagonal one square away and he got locked into a state of trying to figure out which weapon to use 09:59 and least you know it's in the game though... That shit happens to me all the time lol 09:59 'the game broke' 09:59 {Demo} can you be more specific 09:59 oh 09:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of leather gloves on an altar, on T:3215 09:59 yeah that behavior is better than previously but its been a tough nut to crack 10:00 bhaak yes what aosdict said. i asked paxed earlier this morning if a fix was forthcoming, no reply yet 10:01 welcome to cutting edge folks :) 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:18655 10:04 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible Jilvane's ghost, the former Bandit, on T:3801 10:06 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Sam Gia Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a manes, on T:6404 10:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed sohlman's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:4018 10:07 {Demo} so lucky. best monster form in the game 10:08 manes! 10:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) genocided alhoons, on T:55102 10:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:9596 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) murdered her faithful jackal, on T:19028 10:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 152152 points, T:21864, quit 10:10 <{Demo}> how do i pick up my boulders off the top of a hole?> 10:11 why can't you just do that? 10:11 you don't fall down holes (unless soko) 10:11 <{Demo}> it wont let me pick items up on top of a hole 10:11 <{Demo}> "You cannot reach the bottom of the abyss." 10:11 dammit monster just got a wish from smoky 10:12 well that sucks 10:14 he wished for GDSM! 10:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:5593 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:19878 10:21 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 10:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1508 10:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:2911 10:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3070 10:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Helios (Brd Swn Fem Neu), 6494 points, T:3852, quit 10:24 <{Demo}> finally got my gloves 10:24 nice one Demo 10:24 nice 10:25 they are quite the game changer 10:25 sweet 10:25 K2: will the tnnt homepage be up all year? 10:25 collect all the amulets you can find and polypile for mr... 10:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3641 10:26 stenno yes, i'll archive the 2020 results and wipe the main page after new years 10:26 <{Demo}> i found every time i stood 1 square away diagonal from the player character it wouldnt be able to attack 10:26 {Demo} - https://www.hardfought.org/phpBB3/gallery/image/2516/source 10:26 <{Demo}> would still zap wands 10:26 alright, thanks 10:26 <{Demo}> but would just swap weapons each turn 10:26 <{Demo}> so i could dump boulders on it 10:27 you should know that you can cheat really easily at soko as a giant but evil L3 added a silent luck penalty 10:27 K2 10:27 there is no L3 10:27 nice K2 added giants to the game 10:27 nor is there a J1 10:28 evil L3 added boulder luck penalties 10:28 heh 10:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:4159 10:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4258 10:31 oh, hdf scoreboards are all current again. finally remembered to re-run the scripts after that hard reboot from a couple weeks ago 10:31 nice 10:32 they start automagically on reboot but for some reason dont process the hdf-us xlogfiles, only au and eu. so I have to run them manually 10:32 i think i need to find a way to delay their start 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Estyn (Val Dwa Fem Law), 368 points, T:3282, killed by a jackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 3110 points, T:5025, killed by an owlbear, while sleeping 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2217 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1603 points, T:2229, killed by an orc-captain 10:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9103 10:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:13151 10:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3824 10:42 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2313 10:51 <{Demo}> damn only knights can get excal? 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1219 points, T:1146, killed by a dagger 10:54 yeah 10:55 <{Demo}> as a poor poor giant sam, what am I to do? 10:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5569 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a steel spear entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:9755 10:56 <{Demo}> bad amterasu 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15856 10:57 haha the castle wand chest is in a pit 10:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Sam Gia Fem Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:9982 11:00 hothraxxa: vanilla? 11:00 oh maybe a monster tried to dig down and escape 11:02 <{Demo}> oh wow, k2 changed khors mines end 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 377 points, T:497, killed by a giant bat 11:02 stenno: no unnethack 11:02 wand is 1:2 11:02 nice 11:03 iirc i can't even wrest it 11:03 how are you finding giant sam and evilhack so far Demo? 11:04 <{Demo}> as expected 11:06 <{Demo}> its changed a lot since i astral splatted 11:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4617 11:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] quervo1 (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 318 points, T:689, killed by a hobbit 11:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:16796 11:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5377 11:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:18105 11:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed +3 Grayswandir", on T:856 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Arc Dwa Mal Law) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2485 11:14 man i want telepathy 11:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 253 points, T:1025, killed by a wand 11:14 should i just revgeno floating eyes 11:14 seems a bit stupid 11:15 <{Demo}> please your god enough? 11:15 <{Demo}> and pray and get it granted 11:15 meh 11:16 could poly into mmf 11:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 11678 points, T:6000, killed by an owlbear 11:17 but i am afraid of c 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:9410 11:17 could also geno c 11:18 nah thats not that good either 11:19 actually i wonder if i will just land in the vs level when i go downstairs at the votd 11:21 <@based> two magic lamps so far nice nice 11:22 <@based> found a random dwarf in a non bones area that was loaded with loot 11:22 [hdf-us] [slex] inlawBiker (Jan Gro Fem Neu), 172 points, T:43, killed by a monster (ufo called Flying Saucer) 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3232 11:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:15228 11:23 <{Demo}> man, this large splint mail really is double edged 11:23 <{Demo}> shits so damn heavy 11:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3336 11:24 yeah, when you get some more wishes later on 'mithril large splint mail of decay' is a good wish 11:24 damn i don't have fire resistance lol 11:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "elbereth", on T:3408 11:29 <{Demo}> damn, got jumped by a chameleon turned into a genetic engineer 11:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15768 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) was chosen to take lives for the Glory of Anhur, on T:23316 11:30 what did you get turned into? 11:31 just got telepathy by killing mmf in melee 11:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:4869 11:32 <{Demo}> something lame 11:32 <{Demo}> and then a lich 11:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1618 points, T:4935, killed by a white unicorn 11:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:24597 11:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:17153 11:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:10448 11:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:17157 11:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 291 points, T:908, killed by a wand 11:37 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 11:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:17352 11:41 <{Demo}> -15 AC dwarves, jesus 11:42 yeah :/ 11:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a conical hat entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:16113 11:43 <{Demo}> dunce cap handing out jackass 11:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11970 11:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 114 points, T:303, killed by a fox 11:45 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Sam Gia Fem Law) had a spear entrusted to her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:16235 11:45 <{Demo}> what garbae 11:45 [hdf-us] [spl] findago (Dra Chn Fem Law) averted death (died of starvation), on T:5228 11:45 gods really shouldn't award non Wizards conical hats ever 11:45 neither one is useful to a non-wiz 11:45 [hdf-us] [spl] findago (Dra Chn Fem Law), 789 points, T:5658, taken down by a boar, while frozen by a monster's gaze 11:46 -15 AC dwarves? 11:46 do they still hand out fumbling items? 11:46 the hlel happened? 11:46 oh that remins me that i have to check something 11:46 that's just normal evilhack Umbire 11:46 oh 11:47 their armour will be of a good material or have some enchantments 11:47 or both 11:47 bhaak: been getting a lot of "Program in disorder" lately. Do you want me to report these here or anywhere? 11:47 Anyway I got a bag from Soko so that solves my tourist's inventory problem 11:47 But I still need way more shit to recover my wizard bones 11:47 especially fucking fire resistance 11:47 !whereis Umbire 11:47 amateurhour: Umbire is not playing. 11:47 speaking about my phone tourist 11:48 oh 11:48 bouquet: that depends largely on what the actual impossible is 11:48 I fiddled with my HDF game a bit recently but stopped sometime before I heard about the downstair bug 11:48 said tourist got my orctown bones 11:48 it won't possibly affect you if this is an old game 11:48 so gonna need fire resistance and ideally a scroll of remove curse, though wand of cancellation works too 11:49 I think it's because my nymph pet is trying to steal from guards. "bad attack type in spitmu" 11:49 tourist has decent AC and Mjolnir but I don't trust like that 11:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Joshu, on T:12122 11:49 <{Demo}> my katana is steel... 11:49 glorious nippon steel 11:49 spitmu would be mvu combat, nymph stealing from guards is mvm 11:50 well... what I think is often not in the same ballpark as reality so you're likely right. 11:51 it's likely related to the recent xhity code merges 11:51 xhity code changes havent been pulled into 370-hdf yet 11:52 this is Un. 11:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:12549 11:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:22918 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:12858 11:56 derp fail 11:57 can you show me the point in the source code where the player gets damage from burning items in their inventory? 11:58 lol stenno i just watched a video of luxidream playing where he's talking to you in the vid 11:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:17641 11:59 thats possible 12:00 i also realised my playstyle yesterday still far from optimal forr realtime speeds 12:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon him by Set, on T:23862 12:01 too much gametime strats, not enough be a tank with loads of resources, avoid poolyself and geno mmf to minimise having to use brain cells 12:02 [hdf-us] [spl] findago (Kni Ang Fem Law), 1692 points, T:1669, sent to the grave by a chameleon imitating a brood wasp 12:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2764 12:04 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 4407 points, T:4702, killed by a bolt of lightning 12:04 i don't really have many resources left, its annoying 12:04 i'd like to have extra/full healing 12:05 !whereis stenno 12:05 aoei: stenno is not playing. 12:05 guess i have to collect it on the asc run 12:05 !whereis scummo 12:05 amateurhour: scummo is not playing. 12:05 just break now, about to tele to vs 12:05 ohhh 12:05 didn't touch scummo since yesterday 12:05 if stenno is scummo 12:05 this is indeed my stenno account 12:05 then he wont have any resources 12:05 ah ok 12:06 how do i check if luxidream followed me on twitch first 12:06 or if he just did it because i followed him 12:06 does it matter either way? :P 12:06 if its the first one i win an internet 12:06 fair enough, haha 12:07 <{Demo}> random snickersnee 12:07 <{Demo}> should i be mad 12:07 depends how much you want artiwishes 12:07 <{Demo}> well, i was trying to sac for it 12:07 its a decent weapon 12:07 so in that case dont be mad, be glad 12:09 <@based> fifth floating eye with no corpse.... 12:09 based: F 12:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14847 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:14015 12:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:1943 12:14 <@Tone> gametime and realtime speedrunning are quite different, for realtime speedrunning there are a lot of things you can do that use a lot of turns but cost no time 12:14 <@Tone> like resting to heal or digging through walls 12:15 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 12:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:14173 12:15 yeah Tone, facts I sorta appreciate 12:15 but im not remotely accustomed to playing that way 12:17 <@Tone> It's definitely a major change in playstyle for most poeple 12:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:6568 12:17 <@Tone> although I guess one benefit with nethack is that you can save the game to think at times too 12:17 <@Tone> because I think most measures only track time spent in-game, instead of wallclock time 12:18 I think for some games that's referred to as a segmented speedrun 12:19 no, segmented is different 12:19 anyway i figure trying to play realtime might help me to be more flexible with my habits/playstyle 12:19 segmented means you split the game in segments, and play each segment repeatedly and then splice together the fastest segments 12:19 and overall be a better player 12:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:6731 12:20 ah, fair enough 12:21 <@based> >pros : lemme get to astral plane in 10k turns >me : slow digestion ring and altar go brrrrrrr 12:22 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 12:22 i wish nethack was decently marathonable 12:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Priestess, on T:16508 12:22 in what way? 12:22 like, you wont see nethack at GDQ unless it is some special exhibition or so 12:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed wintergalaxy88's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:3313 12:23 I could totally imagine something in the style of Adeon's roguelike celebration game at GDQ 12:24 referring to this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rIB0y_kwFuY 12:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a hobgoblin, on T:3886 12:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Demo (Sam Gia Fem Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:21278 12:32 amateurhour: this was still not a normal run 12:32 amateurhour: imagine if he had died at the castle after 30 minutes or so 12:33 what do you mean? 12:33 well the run would be over then or what 12:33 how do you plan this 12:33 do you start another run afterwards 12:33 how long will the event go 12:34 GDQ will ask you: how long will you take for your run? 12:34 I mean idk the particulars of GDQ, but as far as I know there's timeslots 12:34 <{Demo}> any evilhack pros here? 12:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) rejected atheism by consulting with the priest of Anhur, on T:7831 12:34 so you'd have say a 3h timeslot, can go under can go over 12:34 <{Demo}> when i was turned into a lich, and i attacked a guy, it made me cast a spell as part of the attack routine 12:34 you'd say 2 hours, and then you start your run and just die after 1 hours 12:35 -s 12:35 <{Demo}> and that spell made me invisible 12:35 <{Demo}> and im still invisible 12:35 <{Demo}> :( 12:35 <{Demo}> and im a giant and i wanna go shopping! 12:35 yeah, well if you want backup saves to carry on for the rest of the timeslot that would be fine wouldn't it? 12:35 say stenno2 is parked at the castle and stenno3 is parked at quest or something 12:35 amateurhour: you cannot really estimate how long a nethack game will take or if you will finish it at all because of permadeath 12:36 yeah backup saves would go into the right direction 12:36 but then again, its not really that much of a challenge 12:36 I'm not seeing anything that would prevent it at GDQ 12:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:18551 12:36 it's not really about doing the perfect speedrun anyway, it's about showing off a game and raising money 12:36 you could exploit checkpoints then, it would be a different game 12:37 you wouldn 12:37 't believe how many people cheat or play unfair simply for the fame 12:37 (i don't want to imply that we have those people in the NH community of course) 12:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5067 12:38 idk i think a checkpointing system would totally change the game, it would be a different game 12:38 <{Demo}> isnt playing unfairly/cheating its own category? 12:38 <{Demo}> like goddamn u broke shit that hard, nice 12:38 regardless of if you actively exploit it or not 12:38 not really seeing any showstoppers here 12:38 any where did the idea of checkpoints come from? 12:38 whats gdq anyway? 12:38 and* 12:38 Games Done Quick 12:38 'backup saves' 12:39 backup saves so there's still something to show 12:39 got nothing to do with valid speedrun 12:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:38087 12:39 ah so you agree with my initial statement 12:39 stenno | like, you wont see nethack at GDQ unless it is some special exhibition or so 12:39 'ah well, this run is over sorry about that guys, but we can still show what a speedrun is like in later game' 12:39 'here's a save we prepared earlier that's gotten to [x place]' 12:40 Also there's a distinction between "glitched" and "glitchless" runs, but both are still considered speedruns 12:40 ahhh 12:40 Umbire: irrelevant 12:40 I was referring to Demo's statement 12:40 ah, ok 12:41 It's """cheating""" but is still doable without any alterations to the base game itself beforehand 12:41 amateurhour: well good, then we agree after all 12:41 guess so 12:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:19301 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:26493 12:43 lol i love it when people debating vs each other realise they were trying to argue the same point :P 12:44 my clarification of 'marathonable' was not precise enough, sorry 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law), 329080 points, T:41248, drowned in a pool of water by a giant eel 12:44 F 12:44 !lastgame 12:44 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/samiam/nethack/dumplog/1606862298.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/p0werm0de/nethack/dumplog/1607184422.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack/dumplog/1607176841.nh.html 12:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Bar Orc Mal Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Set, on T:41074 12:45 Probably panicked or autopiloted and tried to pull away instead of killing it 12:45 <@based> finally 12:45 [hdf-eu] [fh] Question (OmNyomNyom) (Ran Elf Fem Cha) genocided class 'Z', on T:29798 12:46 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 12:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2498 12:47 [hdf-eu] [fh] Question (OmNyomNyom) (Ran Elf Fem Cha) genocided class 'L', on T:29800 12:49 fuck, should have gotten clairvoyance from the votd priest 12:49 i guess it doesn't matter anymore 12:50 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:51 <{Demo}> whoaaaaa magic detection in evil is STUPID strong 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Conjurer, on T:8102 12:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:6362 12:53 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 12:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 350 points, T:3069, killed by an orc shaman called Ogotha of Rukogakh 12:56 clearing rodneys zoo for resources 12:56 ah fuck it i will just run for it 12:57 yeah it's epic Demo 12:58 love magic detection 12:59 17:34 < {Demo}> any evilhack pros here? 13:00 mobileuser is here Demo 13:00 oh? reading backscroll... 13:02 <{Demo}> found a ring of tele control 13:03 nice 13:03 did you get an amulet of MR already? 13:04 <{Demo}> nope 13:04 <{Demo}> flying and life saving 13:04 <{Demo}> and unchanging 13:04 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 13:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Mitra, on T:22898 13:04 ok, was a bit suprised you went for the sokotool 13:05 I didn't manage to get MR myself until the castle wand... 13:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:18618 13:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:18622 13:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed +3 frost brand", on T:23018 13:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:18629 13:08 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) murdered Whiskers, their faithful housecat, on T:22567 13:08 whiskers! no! 13:09 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:23415 13:10 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) completed Sokoban, on T:22607 13:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:18725 13:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:18730 13:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:18829 13:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Mitra, on T:24419 13:15 nice stenno gogogo 13:15 i wonder how long my luckstone was cursed lol 13:21 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:22 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 13:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:7507 13:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 55 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:19334 13:23 -!- JonathanHanes has quit [Client Quit] 13:25 -!- telegarn has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 13:26 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 13:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:19663 13:29 almost wished for 'magic mapping' instead of 'magic marker' 13:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:7750 13:32 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 13:32 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (kornbluth.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 13:32 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 13:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 36 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:19704 13:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7980 13:34 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 13:34 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest53756 13:34 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 13:34 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Mitra, on T:26906 13:37 -!- Guest53756 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:39 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 13:39 -!- 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T:29013 13:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4214 13:52 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 13:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:10843 13:53 uh oh 13:53 stairs bug hit somehow 13:53 [hdf-us] [nh343] sohlman (Pri Hum Fem Neu), 278 points, T:292, killed by a dwarf 13:54 ok, given that i didn't get a single wand of teleportation the whole game, i will polypile for it 13:57 surprise wish 13:57 from smoky extra healing 13:57 wish for tele 13:57 just polypiled it a few turns before 13:57 guess its geno? 13:58 well then i can just wish for marker i guess 13:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:21359 14:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:55629 14:00 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1694 points, T:3157, killed by a little dog 14:00 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:25189 14:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:55635 14:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:12239 14:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 dragonhide speed boots", on T:46226 14:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 379 points, T:1158, killed by a gnomish wizard 14:08 -!- Adeon has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:09 wut 14:09 gargoyle zapped a wand of undead turning against me lol 14:09 lol no fkn way 14:09 jumping lizards! 14:10 i got lamp wish this game aned also first smoky pot i tried to bless gave wish 14:10 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:10 aoei: now quaff a fountain 14:10 -!- Adeon has joined #hardfought 14:10 then what do wish for as orc wiz who has already got SDSM 14:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:32079 14:11 mkot?! 14:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:12744 14:11 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) had Gae Dearg bestowed upon them by Enki, on T:25440 14:11 can of grease 14:11 spicycat: lol i just thoguth that 14:11 magic harp 14:11 magic marker? 14:11 ill go with mkot 14:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "the holy Master Key of Thievery", on T:4538 14:12 fuck yeah 14:12 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 14:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:21423 14:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:32451 14:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] sohlman (Cav Inc Mal Law), 408 points, T:534, killed by a fox 14:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) consumed animal products (fire ant) for the first time, on T:4578 14:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:21529 14:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:21568 14:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 14:17 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 14:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:21573 14:18 im too slow tho dammit lol 1:30 not done soko 14:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Famine, on T:21618 14:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed Pestilence, on T:21652 14:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1579900 points, T:21669, ascended 14:21 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1607034264.nh.html 14:21 GG! 14:22 thanks 14:22 thats 4 wins in 5 games during december 14:22 this one took like 10 hours or so though lol 14:22 pretty sure next one will be elf priest 14:23 :D 14:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:4844 14:23 lost second sac lol 14:24 lost? 14:24 lol* 14:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:14325 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 613 points, T:1012, killed by an invisible blue jelly 14:26 7.2 hours for that last one lol 14:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 64883 points, T:14600, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a potion 14:28 so, elf priest gets crowned right? 14:29 or can get guaranteed stormy first sac gift 14:30 sure but how do i get elven broadswords 14:30 i never get them 14:30 hm 14:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:13354 14:31 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:31 are you killing the elves you see? 14:31 wew 14:31 i guess i can just kill other elves right 14:31 RNG marker off a hobbit 14:31 no.. 14:31 no penalty at all, right? 14:31 that'll be why you never find one lol 14:32 For murder? 14:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 4905 points, T:2717, killed by an ape 14:32 yeah it's not really murder 14:32 but you're chaotic anyway 14:32 Umbire: murder is against always-peaceful humans 14:32 Yeah, you still lose alignment though 14:32 -1 align is no big deal 14:32 i lose alignment for killing peaceful same-race as chaotic? 14:32 -1 is really nothing, yeah 14:33 ok thats what i do then 14:33 and then suffer with stormy 14:33 drain res is nice though i guess 14:33 [hdf-us] [spl] sohlman (Ran Dro Mal Cha), 128 points, T:384, sent to the next life by a serval 14:34 just gotta hope that i start with good spellbooks 14:34 but it usually be like cure sickness, cure blindness oslt 14:35 That's why my priest has1 14:35 !* 14:35 has what? 14:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the Oracle, on T:35448 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Enchantress, on T:35237 14:36 cure sickness sells for 150 at least, so thats good 14:38 no, i didn't get cure sickness and cure blindness. 14:39 i got create monster and detect food... 14:39 which is probably just as terrible 14:39 i guess create monster is helpful a bit for sacfesting 14:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5575 14:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:13704 14:42 man the mines will be nasty 14:43 its like wizard but without any offensive capabilities 14:44 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:44 and without hungerless spellcasting 14:45 not that i would cast anything anyway 14:46 nethackscoreboard is now my tnnt 14:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:36835 14:48 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 14:48 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest92540 14:48 -!- Guest92540 has quit [Killed (tolkien.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 14:48 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 14:49 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 14:50 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:37455 14:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:37461 14:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:36881 14:52 -!- VaderFLAG_ 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Winged gargoyle pet stole my GoP when I set them down for a moment to test for water walking boots... Wouldn't give them back! Had to poly it until it produced a non-armor wearing monster. 14:59 got a titanothere out of it, though 14:59 Neat 15:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 1009 points, T:17811, quit 15:00 I think minetown population is a /little/ too high... Going to remedy that now :) 15:04 also, don't use an expended bag of tricks as a sack in Un. Apparently they'll spontaneously re-charge! 15:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:8208 15:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 406 points, T:1414, killed by a manes 15:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3676 15:13 lol why is this dwarves stuff embedded into a wall 15:14 Killed and then had the wall closed up over him 15:14 p. common if they dig through shops 15:14 i am not in minetown... 15:14 might have been a doppelganger 15:15 or chameleon 15:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8578 15:15 and they embed stuff in walls when they die? 15:15 if it dies, yes 15:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:28443 15:15 huh, how does that work 15:15 thats news to me 15:17 I guess I don't know the whole story... My guess is a chameleon had some dwarf inventory then phased and was killed. 15:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 14358 points, T:4618, killed by a fog cloud 15:18 Yep 15:18 Funny thing is I never mentioned Minetown, can happen anywhere 15:18 (Minetown being an obvious example) 15:21 -!- pirate_drone has quit [Quit: WeeChat 1.9.1] 15:21 phasing dwarves is a possible bug that I reported earlier today 15:22 I killed a dwarf and she left all her stuff embedded in a wall 15:22 Umbire: because i was in the mines 15:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:56281 15:22 thats why i mentioned minetown 15:22 someone else also had it before me 15:22 hah interesting 15:22 I think there's something afoot 15:24 the dwarves are evolving 15:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 478 points, T:1223, killed by a giant bat 15:24 that may be the case! 15:24 imagine phasing mind flayers 15:24 no more pick-axing, just phase 15:24 yeah must be convenient 15:24 my one had a pickaxe! 15:24 he had a lot gold with him 15:24 which was also embedded in the wall 15:24 stenno: same, lots of gold, I assumed a robbed vault 15:25 pickaxe for sentimental value 15:25 mine just phased happily through the stones of a mines level 15:25 ceremonial pickaxe 15:25 first the shafting downstairs, now the phasing dwarves 15:25 I AM THE KEEPER OF THE PICKAXE OF DWOF! 15:25 playing dev version is fun 15:25 hehe 15:26 I fondly remember the bug where the whole level was stone 15:26 hah 15:26 waht fun 15:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:28585 15:27 elenmirie__: so you reported it to the devteam? 15:27 yes 15:27 kk 15:27 and also mentioned that I wasn't the only one that had seen it, afaik, I was the second 15:27 Hah, -61AC, "You have a moderate defense bonus" 15:27 luxi mentioned that someone else had had it 15:28 neat 15:28 well this will be interesting mines then 15:30 may you live in interesting mines 15:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu) murdered Sirius, her faithful little dog, on T:597 15:30 lol! 15:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:9278 15:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Swn Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14048 15:32 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 15:32 -!- loli has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.9] 15:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1801 15:36 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 15:37 -!- jannis\unfoog has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 15:37 -!- ThaEwat has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 15:37 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 15:38 <@Sentei> is there a way to check time played? cause I took a break and came back a few days later 15:38 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 15:38 @Sentei only after the game finished 15:39 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:47680 15:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 488 points, T:2496, killed by a water moccasin 15:40 <@Sentei> yeah, I won my tnnt tournament game a bit late so im wondering how long it took 15:40 aah 15:40 oh i see 15:41 congrats to the win firstly 15:41 <@Sentei> also it took me around 3 days with around 1/3 of it being furious wiki reading reading to win from never having played a game. Have lots of dcss experience 15:42 wow 15:42 three days for a first ascension 15:42 \o/ well done 15:42 <@Sentei> well if you include the break i took of a few days its longer, but thanks 15:42 oh first asc? 15:42 thats really good 15:43 ok i dont see your ascension anywhere on that site but i assume it was written to xlog 15:43 <@Sentei> https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/sentinel2/tnnt/dumplog/1606502585.tnnt.html 15:43 * elenmirie__ reflects on the fact that it was probably about 10 years from when I started plaing to when I first ascended 15:43 well, if you count rogue and hack 15:44 <@Sentei> I still vividly remember being very happy about buying lockpicks from a shop and being able to go back and loot those chests 15:44 great feeling, yeah! 15:44 stenno: does 3.7 still have vlad candles? 15:44 it should still have 15:44 yes 15:45 realtime=192877 15:45 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:45 at least it did when I looked 15:45 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 15:45 this looks like wallclock time? 15:45 53 hours 15:45 aoei: yes 15:46 <@Sentei> nethack is long game confirmed, ty for the real time stats 15:46 stenno: nice 15:46 @Sentei did you have your game open during that time? 15:46 never mind 15:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 1098 points, T:1343, killed by a gold golem 15:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:56588 15:49 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Read error: Connection timed out] 15:50 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 15:52 god dammit, pack of soldier ants 15:52 now i just stand here on E and wait 15:52 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 15:52 not much i can do 15:52 i only have AC:-2, which is not enough 15:52 think there are at least 3 soldier ants 15:52 name them 15:53 oh good idea 15:53 Larry Moe and Curly 15:54 blep, feel like a hypocrite 15:54 hmm 15:54 reduces alignment record by 5 15:54 t:2.3k 15:55 so thats worth 500 turns of alignment, right 15:55 You kill 1! The magic missile hits the wolf! You kill 2! 15:55 another hypocrite, so 1000 15:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1329 points, T:3148, killed by a gnome 15:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Curate, on T:43245 15:58 going to rob some minetown shops and then buy protection i guess 15:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 82 points, T:267, killed by a jackal 16:00 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:01 i am dead 16:01 FUCKP 16:01 this might be cursed tele hmm 16:02 nope, detect food 16:02 SO DUMB FUCK 16:02 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 3491 points, T:2891, killed by a watch captain 16:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 70 points, T:142, killed by a fox 16:02 god fucking dammit 16:02 all my fault 16:02 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:02 that was so unneccessary 16:03 rip 2-streak 16:03 thanks Beholder 16:05 -!- ThaEwat has joined #hardfought 16:05 suddenly, 80% winrate turns to 50% winrate 16:06 -!- jannis\unfoog has joined #hardfought 16:06 !lastgame stenno 16:06 stenno: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-09-23%2009%3A11%3A29%2C%20stenno-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1607197116.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/sporkhack/dumplog/1546261261.sp.txt 16:07 argh that 200 zm scroll was taming 16:07 that would have done the trick, dammit 16:07 i think 16:08 started with exactly the same spells, create monster and detect food 16:08 but this time i don't have a tonal, only a bell 16:08 that reminds me, you can summon nymphs with cursed bells 16:08 yeah, I never knew that til the TNNT achievement 16:08 spontiff: Message from Tangles at 2020-12-04 19:54 EST: Multiple saves can happen because of how we handle save-breaking updates. Works mostly but can wig out if you disconnect without saving cleanly. 16:08 spontiff: Message from Tangles at 2020-12-04 19:55 EST: If you have two saves, you'll always get to play the oldest one first. 16:08 i always forget that, but that is super useful for potion farming and teleportitis 16:09 I was going to ask if they get inventory 16:09 oh good question 16:09 oh i think they don't, actually 16:09 that, with smoky OD would be a bit overpowered 16:09 A cursed bell, however, has a 1⁄4 chance of summoning a nymph (she won't be carrying any items), 16:09 yep 16:09 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 16:09 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest14474 16:09 -!- Guest14474 has quit [Killed (niven.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 16:09 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 16:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7754 16:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 299 points, T:1095, killed by a gas spore's explosion 16:11 magic harp, nice 16:12 Yay 16:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 95 points, T:368, killed by a jackal 16:14 At last! A dagger! On dlvl 5. 16:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 85 points, T:455, killed by an orcish dagger 16:17 no god dammit man 16:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 350 points, T:1292, killed by a giant bat 16:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Swn Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:15379 16:17 arghgha 16:17 * stenno break time 16:17 this one had boh already, too 16:17 what a disgrace 16:18 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:18 why playing safe when you can also take unneccessary risks 16:18 a red naga tried to kill me but I cancelled it and ate it, it made me feel healthy! \o/ 16:18 neat 16:18 DL10 soko entrance, I'm probably going to die of something anyway 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Mon Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1514 16:19 lol oops i fainted 16:19 you delicate thing 16:20 I'll fetch the smelling salts 16:22 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 16:22 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Vlad the Impaler, on T:47139 16:23 -!- tinklebear has quit [Client Quit] 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:8124 16:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had an ornamental cope entrusted to her by Huan Ti, on T:2263 16:28 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 12407 points, T:11760, killed by an ettin mummy 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3424 16:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 2813 points, T:1768, killed by a pony zombie 16:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:12528 16:30 damn im slow 16:30 almost 4 h not even at castle lol 16:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Pri Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1538 16:30 this is orctown then i guess 16:31 yes 16:31 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 16:31 -!- tinklebear has joined #hardfought 16:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 444 points, T:1497, killed by a garter snake 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Mon Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed Orb of Fate", on T:3792 16:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:8644 16:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 7832 points, T:5632, killed by an Uruk-hai, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:38 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:38 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:30416 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:8744 16:42 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 16:43 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Ran Elf Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4866 16:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Canoness, on T:47699 16:44 genstore or scroll shop would be _really_ nice 16:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Pri Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3585 16:46 stenno: lol shit 16:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (krakens), on T:56 16:46 aoei: hm? 16:46 purpL appeard on bigroom 16:46 summoned stuff 16:46 and just at taht moment my kbd did some shit thing it seems to do sometimes lately 16:46 where it spams some random input to netahck for a sec 16:46 so i lost turns 16:46 but somehow didnt die 16:46 <@Umby> DUDE 16:46 <@Umby> RNG ELF LORD WITH FROST BRAND 16:46 then teleported to the downstairs 16:47 uh, ok 16:47 <@Umby> Let's FUCKING GOOOOOOOO 16:47 oh telecontrol? 16:47 i need to figure out why my kbd is doing shit like that 16:47 stenno: yeah i wished for Mkot with the smoky wish 16:47 <@Umby> Sorry to interrupt but that's so good 16:47 ah nice 16:48 <@Umby> Also close call aoei D: 16:48 yeah this will cost me a good run at some point if i dont fix it 16:48 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Ran Elf Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5787 16:48 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Ran Elf Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 9 crude arrows on an altar, on T:5794 16:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 4895 points, T:3431, killed by a giant zombie 16:49 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Ran Elf Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5798 16:51 stenno: im not good at walking around, fighting, exploring/looting levels fast 16:51 could it be a mouseclick in your terminal or a paste aoei? 16:51 4 h only past bigroom 16:51 amateurhour: something to do with the mousepad could be it 16:51 man i need a fucking genstore 16:52 maybe i can disable mousepad i dont use it much anyway 16:53 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 16:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1169 16:54 *sigh*, Gnome-with-the-fire-spell. 16:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 273 points, T:400, burned by a fireball 16:54 <@Umby> F 16:54 F 16:55 F 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1613 16:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu) murdered Katje, her faithful kitten, on T:621 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Ryoshu, on T:18453 17:01 man orctown really screwed me hard this game 17:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 318 points, T:1582, killed by a jackal, while praying 17:01 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2367 points, T:2417, killed by an owlbear 17:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 7943 points, T:5436, quit 17:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:06 man what a disgrace 17:06 i was tilt from the last games already 17:09 <@luxidream> quitting because orctown? 17:09 <@luxidream> booo 17:10 no, quitting because angry deity and no food 17:10 <@luxidream> oh rip 17:10 luxidream: i am too slow 17:10 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Che Xra Mal Law), 34557 points, T:5784, killed by a monster (troll) 17:10 started with a magic marker but had no shop up to sokoban 17:10 apart from a food shop 17:10 if i use gametime methods i can get castle done in a bout 2 h 17:10 then lost some strength against killer bees 17:10 but if i try to explore stuff and get resources on teh way... 17:11 im just beneath bigroom in 4 h :| 17:11 game is going pretty well tho besides that, i have lots of great sutff 17:11 aoei: do you do realtime or wallclock time? 17:11 i am not counting this time right now when i've saved 17:11 nhs seems to do it that way too 17:11 realtime is the thing in the xlogfile, yes 17:12 right 17:12 wellclock is the thing that junethack does 17:12 maybe one day i will try wallclock stenno 17:12 for now i already suck enough at realtime 17:12 man i totally ruined my ascension score with those 3 priest fails 17:12 or has it been 4 now 17:12 F 17:12 luxidream: turns out i've never ascended orc wiz before 17:12 i was 4 of 5 in december, now i am 4 of 9 17:12 <@luxidream> recently I’ve just been using telepathy to look for throne room and leprechaun hall like gametime runner 17:12 but this game is going great 17:12 <@luxidream> might be more worth your while 17:13 maybe 17:13 i could do that for the next leg between bigroom and castle 17:13 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 1074 points, T:605, killed by a homunculus 17:13 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 3314 points, T:2084, killed by a leocrotta 17:13 fucking bigroom 17:13 i think i was too slow with mines shit 17:13 luxidream: purp-L ported to me in bigroom and summond nasties 17:13 luckily I have t cand 17:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming an orc zombie, on T:9452 17:13 tc and dtele wand 17:13 so i just ported to the downstair 17:14 i got a mintown lamp wish for SDSM and MKoT with a smoky wish in sokoban :D 17:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Lama, on T:50431 17:15 i could have skipped soko i guess, but i found no bag in the mines and got the BoH there whe i actually wanted it for once 17:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] AlbertB (Hea Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Dresser, on T:16470 17:15 bbiab and then some more runs 17:15 kay 17:15 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 17:16 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 5584 points, T:5086, killed by a hobbit mummy 17:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1002 points, T:3295, killed by a gnome lord 17:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 25 points, T:254, killed by a water moccasin 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:29349 17:22 [hdf-us] [spl] sflicht (Ran Elf Mal Neu), 5972 points, T:6094, mowed down by a watch captain 17:23 !lastgame sflicht 17:23 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/sflicht/splicehack/dumplog/1607203013.splice.html 17:24 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 17:24 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (orwell.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 17:24 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 17:25 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 17:25 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest75885 17:25 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 17:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 696 points, T:1084, killed by a giant ant, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:26 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 17:26 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest21575 17:26 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 17:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Val Swn Fem Law) wished for "blessed +2 Ogresmasher", on T:18988 17:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 114 points, T:565, killed by a water demon 17:28 -!- Guest75885 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:30 -!- Guest21575 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:30 <@Sentei> since I won my tnnt game after it ended will the game be registered to the scoreboard? 17:31 nope 17:32 Only if you completed it before TNNT ended 17:32 do you mean the tnnt scoreboard or do you mean the nethack scoreboard? 17:32 <@Sentei> yeah 17:33 <@Sentei> well no big loss, just interesting 17:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:40045 17:34 <@Sentei> I meant the nethack scoreboard 17:34 looks like it hasn't registered ascensions in december for it 17:34 maybe it should 17:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:40254 17:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3682 17:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:3790 17:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3801 17:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Kni Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism by consulting with the priestess of Manannan Mac Lir, on T:3806 17:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Croesus, on T:21940 17:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:57032 17:42 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:49061 17:43 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest43747 17:43 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 17:43 -!- Guest43747 has quit [Killed (adams.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 17:43 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 17:43 [hdf-us] [ndnh] hearsegirl (Mon Swn Fem Cha), 46474 points, T:11343, killed by a spotted jelly 17:44 anyway off to BUC test this Frost Brand 17:45 uncursed cool 17:45 and so was the wand of cold being shot at me just before 17:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:53667 17:46 ...and it's already rusty, good meme. 17:46 good job lacca 17:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:53669 17:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 3897 points, T:1586, killed by a queen bee 17:47 Death by stupid Djinni in a healing bottle. 17:49 <@malor> @K2 I don't know if my save is working or not. I tried to enter and it said, "trying to recover". Then said "successful", then put me back to the page where you can click a letter to play a game. Please check it out. 🙂 17:49 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Fai Per Fem Law), 183 points, T:1277, killed by a monster (stoat) 17:49 huh 17:49 <@malor> on "malor" 17:49 assuming dnethack? 17:50 <@malor> yes 17:51 try it now 17:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:51 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 928 points, T:2980, killed by a rothe 17:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7902 17:52 <@malor> cool, looks good. 17:52 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 0 points, T:21, killed by a goblin 17:52 <@malor> hm, saved, then tried to go back in and it went to the "recover game" page again. 17:53 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 17:53 <@malor> Cannot open file "5malor.21" for level 21 (errno 2). Probably someone removed it.--More-- 17:53 when it recoverd, there were only 2 files - 5malor.0 and .114 17:54 get out of dgl completely please 17:54 plan B 17:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:3377 17:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1408 points, T:3475, killed by contaminated water 17:56 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 17:56 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:49467 17:57 @malor game is recovered again 17:57 * arahael just killed Scooby-Doo! 17:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 27866 points, T:9078, killed by a living lectern 17:58 ruh roh 17:58 always cure blindness 17:58 priest starting spells are pretty bad on average 17:59 Nabru's bones. 17:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:789 17:59 <@malor> @K2 i was still in the game. Should I save and re-enter? The recovery seemed to work despite the message "Cannot open file "5malor.21" for level 21 (errno 2). Probably someone removed it.--More--" Or just close the window and re-enter? 18:00 get completely out of dgl please 18:00 <@malor> out 18:00 <@malor> I did NOT save. I just closed the terminal window. 18:00 i made a backup of your save so we're ok 18:00 ... 18:00 heh one sec 18:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 21 points, T:331, killed by a water moccasin 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Magician, on T:9743 18:02 ok @malor try now 18:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 16 points, T:8, killed by a bear trap 18:03 As an aside, is that '@' prefix neccessary to highlight people on the otherside of the bridge? 18:03 (I assume that's why you're doing it, as opposed to irc) 18:03 <@malor> wow, this is a long way back in the game. Do you have a more recent version? If not, that's ok. 18:04 no i dont 18:04 that was the last save before your mishap 18:04 <@malor> ok, this works. 🙂 18:04 <@malor> thanks! 18:04 np 18:04 no checkpoints in dnh? 18:07 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided disenchanters dungeon wide on T:35345 18:07 I just passed out after ONE drink. 18:07 Wuss. 18:07 gratz on not having to spend as much to get drunk 18:08 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided arch-liches dungeon wide on T:35348 18:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Pri Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:57182 18:09 amateurhour: The trick is not passing out, however! 18:10 wow that priest started with Co:9 18:10 XL:3, maxhp 18 18:12 new version of 370-hdf going up soon that addresses the stairs bit in skipping levels 18:13 <@based> found a tiny small xnh 'exploit' that kinda simplifies a certain area 18:13 <@based> nothing really massive but sure prevents a headache 18:13 <@based> well, not sure if its intended 18:13 oh? 18:14 <@based> mines end is supposed to be undiggable right 18:14 <@based> well that has been my experience 18:14 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:14 <@based> but in the mines end variant : the gnomish sewers, in xnethack 18:15 <@based> i could dig my way through! 18:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 776 points, T:2708, killed by a gnome lord 18:15 <@based> i skipped the annoying water maze! 18:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:2206 18:16 I'm not sure if that's an oversight or not 18:16 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:2368 18:16 <@based> yeah.. wasnt sure if it was worth mentioning 18:16 <@based> but it let me skip out on this nasty eel 18:16 nice 18:16 <@based> felt like a winner 18:17 you spend a LOT of time digging out enough of the level to access all the rings and luckstone locations without going near water 18:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 491 points, T:471, killed by an iguana 18:17 man 18:17 * stenno more break time 18:17 now i am just throwing 18:17 don't fall into the early game sadness cycle 18:18 <@based> altho, the gnomish sewers made me feel pretty claustrophobic 18:19 it makes me proud to have made a game that can evoke emotional reactions like that 18:19 in ascii 18:19 i got shafted from 2 to 6 lol 18:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1268 points, T:2691, killed by a gnome lord 18:20 Uh... That's wierd... 18:20 I just killed a dwarf... And all his gear is embedded in the wall? 18:20 It's NOT minetown. 18:20 And there are no shops. 18:20 (Vanilla, 3.7) 18:20 hm, someone else said something to that effect earlier 18:21 is it a bones floor by chance? 18:21 the mystery of the phasing dwarf 18:21 It's as if he was actually generated in the wall. 18:21 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:36336 18:21 amateurhour: I don't know if it's a bones floor yet. 18:21 phasing dwarves are already reported 18:21 its a bug 18:22 okay, mystery solved then 18:22 well explained at least but not resolved 18:22 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 11726 points, T:8223, killed by an ape 18:23 stenno: What was the explaination? 18:23 stenno: (The one I heard involved shops repairing their walls) 18:23 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 18:23 -!- rothfuss.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ The November NetHack Tournament 2020 has ended! - https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt 18:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 18:23 !ping 18:23 K2: Pong! 18:23 !who 18:23 K2: [hdf-us] Bourne [dyn] UniDuck [nh370] nimsumzero [nh370] omghax [nh370] sohlman [slex] hothraxxa [un] bouquet [un] nekochan [spl] malor [dnh] nabru [xnh] | [hdf-eu] HarmathZsolt [slshm] spontiff [nh370] Glord [nh370] | [hdf-au] Tangles [nh370] Arahael [nh370] 18:23 i don't know how it happens, but i know that its a bug that has happened to a few people 18:23 and it was elenmirie__ who reported it 18:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:30, killed by a falling object 18:24 stenno: Ah, well, I'll add to that report: It's not a shop's wall being repaired. :) 18:25 yeah mine happened somewhere in the mines too 18:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 647 points, T:1107, killed by a giant spider 18:25 !who 18:25 K2: [hdf-us] Bourne [dyn] UniDuck [nh370] nimsumzero [nh370] omghax [nh370] sohlman [slex] hothraxxa [un] bouquet [un] nekochan [spl] malor [dnh] | [hdf-eu] HarmathZsolt [slshm] spontiff [nh370] Glord [nh370] | [hdf-au] Tangles [nh370] Arahael [nh370] 18:25 !whereis omghax 18:25 K2: [hdf-us] omghax [nh370]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 18:25 stenno: Ooh, just found a polytrap... 18:25 !kill Neko-chan 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3 points, T:25, killed by a falling object 18:25 stenno: But don't monsters stay in poly form forever? 18:26 yes, they do 18:27 So it's not that. 18:27 no, its not 18:27 we can just look at the recent commits and figure it out 18:28 e94670761c6b2b1ede4806bae7836b2288d70ffb,branch:3.7-hdf 18:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Kni Hum Mal Law), 7757 points, T:5442, killed by a water elemental 18:29 actually where is the repo for that? 18:29 ah at nhtangles 18:30 bouquet: do you have a white naga pet? (also the message has a typo, it's happening in spitmm, not spitmu, that's even a vanilla bug) 18:31 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) wished for "+2 blessed greased fixed helm of brilliance named offbrand mitre of holiness", on T:27311 18:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3290 18:33 I see a lot of refactoring involing something called "ad_slim". 18:33 https://github.com/NHTangles/NetHack36/commit/e94670761c6b2b1ede4806bae7836b2288d70ffb 18:34 it must be the function mon_allowflags 18:34 370-hdf editlevel 27 doesnt have the xhity stuff 18:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 8178 points, T:3439, quit 18:34 allowflags |= (ALLOW_ROCK | ALLOW_WALL); 18:35 ALLOW_ROCK means that it can throw rocks 18:36 !whereis omghax 18:36 K2: [hdf-eu] omghax [nh370]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 18:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 16 points, T:5, killed by a falling object 18:36 stenno: That's generally only if it passes_walls, though. 18:36 I wish omghax hung out in irc so we could give them tips on how to survive in the early game 18:36 Still, curiosu that those routines got moved, so perhaps it's not checking at all. 18:37 amateurhour: You could send a mail daemon? ;) 18:37 -!- spontiff has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:37 so well ti _must_ be related to something about about that 18:38 hm actually not sure, never mind 18:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1564 18:40 i too could use some tips on how to survie early game 18:41 arahael: but there is duplicated code in mon_allowflags 18:41 arahael: this cannot be intended 18:41 stenno: I'm a bit rusty with my C, but |= won't unset the flag, I think. 18:41 I actually prefer to die in the early game, that's why I'm so intentionally bad at this game and avoid ever learning how to play well. Sometimes it's about setting the right goals 18:42 that's true Neko-chan 18:42 arahael sure but the fact that there is duplicated code hints that there is something wrong 18:42 80-90% of my splats are probs early game 18:42 it was tongue in cheek, omghax is K2's test account for checking updates :) 18:42 so if my goal was to streak 18:42 i would need to work on that a lot lol 18:42 I have honestly no idea how people can ascend so consistently 18:43 idk either 18:43 actually tell a lie 18:43 i do know 18:43 they're scaredycats 18:43 just look at how mobileuser plays :P 18:44 that can't be it, I must be doing something wrong 18:44 as mobileuser actually ascends with fewer turns than me generally :P 18:44 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2719 18:44 orly 18:44 idk i was just teasing him cuz he was worrieid aobut AC for th quest or something 18:44 when his AC was fine 18:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2172 18:45 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 18:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 9060 points, T:2742, killed by a gremlin 18:45 Could not get away from that gremlin. 18:46 amateurhour: im sure playing cautious and slowly is a big part of it tho 18:46 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 830 points, T:2639, killed by a killer bee 18:46 tehse things ar enot my strong suit 18:46 mine neither 18:46 aoei: Maybe, but how does Lux ascend so many times? 18:46 !who 18:46 K2: [hdf-us] Bourne [dyn] mwrynn [tnnt] karibou [evil] nimsumzero [nh370] sohlman [slex] hothraxxa [un] bouquet [un] shadowcat [spl] nekochan [spl] nabru [xnh] dgoddard [xnh] | [hdf-eu] p0werm0de [nh370] Glord [nh370] | [hdf-au] Tangles [nh370] omghax [nh370] 18:46 ... 18:46 !whereis omghax 18:46 K2: [hdf-au] omghax [nh370]: (Rog Orc Fem Cha) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 18:46 we don't talk about Lux like that 18:46 special case 18:46 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:50404 18:47 Fs in the chat for omghax 18:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] omghax (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 0 points, T:11, killed by a falling object 18:47 another fallen hero :'( 18:47 370-hdf updated (all servers) 18:47 ^ editlevel 28 18:47 woot thanks K2 18:47 this is the fix for the funky weird behaviors of late 18:47 arahael: just kidding, lux is a very good player ofc, but he doesn't have a super high ratio 18:48 triple my asc ratio during tnnt :P 18:48 arahael: also for realtime speedruns he plans his strats so minimum iq is required 18:48 and luxi has never ascended evilhack 18:48 dont think smash buttons 18:48 Hmm. 18:48 like having tank level HP/AC, not using polyforms tha tmight hit a c and instasplat 18:49 think he typically will geno mmf too 18:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2819 18:49 i think luxi has a super high ration considering the speed with which he plays 18:49 ior just not using polyforms cuz its complicated and you have to thinmk more 18:49 =n 18:49 yeah for sure 18:49 -n fuck me 18:49 hothraxxa: absolutely 18:50 I still really want to see a 1v1 nethack speedrun race, commentated by a third person 18:50 adeon ignored me twice now 18:50 i think maybe we need to convince stenno to go up against lux 18:50 still almost certain the issue was introduced by refactoring into mon_allowflags 18:50 no, ican't 18:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1850 points, T:1626, killed by a bolt of lightning 18:51 yes you can! 18:51 add a handycap :^) 18:51 just train a little more 18:51 not interested in 1h speedruns 18:51 stenno, the issue you're describing will probably not exist in newest editlevel which just went live 18:51 K2: i doubt it 18:51 stenno: eh he probably wont be able to do that every time 18:51 and if it does solve it, then it was indeed a problem with duplicated lines 18:52 so if you can do ~2 h you probalby have a shot 18:52 i can ascend 3 times per day, luxi can ascend 5 or 6 times a day if he really wants 18:52 no interest 18:52 i want to play for consistency now 18:52 boo :c 18:52 you were our best hope 18:52 training consistency and then i might get faster again 18:53 amateurhour: i guess i have to magically get amazing at realtime runs now 18:53 or maybe you can somehow do htis 18:53 an di commentate thit hing 18:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11794 18:54 i tried to understand that but my parser crashed 18:54 sorry 18:54 and i commentate the thign 18:54 thing* 18:54 try again 18:55 it would be nice for there to be competition for realtime speedruns 18:55 that was a hothraxxa-level typo 18:55 there was never really competition for realtime speedrunning 18:55 adeon and luxi are twice as fast as the second 18:56 twice as fast as the next best player 18:56 maybe i can try again once i internalized tooled horn strats 18:57 i am already better in mmf-polyself starts 18:57 leather drum works similar to tooled horn as i figured out today 18:57 stenno: which proves that others can also get better at the realtime, and compete there too 18:58 Realtime speedrunning isn't a common goal, either, though. 18:58 if Adeon and Luxidream can to it, theoretically others must have the potential 18:58 sure 18:58 true arahael 18:58 aoei: so where is your 1h30 asc 18:58 tooled horn is such a sleeper awesome item 18:58 love to not die when I should otherwise die 18:58 favorite thing to do in this game tbh 18:58 stenno: let me give you an estimate on taht when i have <4h on 3.6.6 18:58 I mean I struggled to get sub 2h to start 18:58 stenno: the drum makes you deaf but it has a slightly better range iirc 18:58 takes practice 18:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 816 points, T:2576, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 18:59 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Cav Wer Fem Neu), 1423 points, T:3037, sent to the grave by a rabid rat 18:59 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:28270 19:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:4206 19:01 did you know that when you are deaf and apply stethoscope, it costs an action? 19:01 luxidream: i noticed you are both good at smashing keys fast but also use simple starts so you dont have use brain cells or risk running into c etc. 19:01 probably a bug 19:01 which i kind of expected 19:01 the avoiding use of brian cells thing 19:01 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 268 seconds] 19:01 stenno: Anything to do with sound is much harder if you're deaf, I'd say it's not a bug. 19:02 stenno: Even if you're ultimately unsuccessful! 19:02 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 19:02 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest92297 19:02 -!- Guest92297 has quit [Killed (hitchcock.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 19:02 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 19:03 naming your fruit something not a vegetable and feeding it to horses is for some reason extremely funny, but I suppose horses probably do love pizza and mt dew code red 19:03 my current fruit name is liver 19:03 luxidream: by noticed i mean cuz you explained it in a video on twitch with the rogue. i also 100% agree about the annoying forest on the ranger quest, its awful 19:03 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 19:04 I found a way to set up my config where is randomizes my fruit from a few different ones, so I have a fun variety 19:05 i usually just levport (iirc i always end up next to the portal), but the thing about attacking quest leader to get evicted is fantastic 19:06 stenno: flavorwise I imagine you would sit there for awhile hearing nothing before going "oh yeah I'm deaf." that's probably a turn's worth of time 19:06 right, fair 19:06 i think the code makes it very clear that its intended behavior 19:08 * tinklebear has died many many times due to that intended behavior 19:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:2948 19:08 why does C even have types 19:09 so one can be extra fast? 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 597 points, T:1021, killed by a fox, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:09 tinklebear: I think it was an improvement from B? 19:09 Erm - ^^ stenno 19:09 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:10 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 19:10 everything is a (void *) if ur brave enough 19:10 mostly ints 19:10 does nethack even use float yet 19:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1038 19:10 stenno: and because otherwise ranger quest would be monotonous (*more monotonous) 19:10 ints of specific length 19:11 tinklebear: huh? 19:11 wrong person? 19:11 I don't know why nethack would need floats... maybe for monsters that can take away 3.24236782 HP? 19:11 types of C 19:11 tinklebear: i was talking about the programming language C and data types 19:11 if you were aware of that and wanted to make a joke, sorry it went over my head lol 19:12 Ah, not centaurs. Got it. 19:12 * tinklebear would like to be thought that clever, but is definitely not. 19:12 it would have been a really good joke imo 19:12 :P 19:13 i assume ieee 754 didn't exist yet when K&R C was aroudn 19:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3124 points, T:2910, killed by a dust vortex 19:13 established in 1985 19:14 nethack was released in 1987 19:14 so it would have been possible 19:14 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Mer Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2885 19:15 hm K&R C has floats 19:15 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Mer Fem Neu), 1474 points, T:2948, dismembered by a brown mold 19:15 yeah aoei I actually have been using polyforms more often 19:15 no wait double 19:15 anyway 19:16 but it's not necessary for high speed 19:16 glad you liked the stream 19:17 it was nice :3 19:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:6315 19:17 you were very good in commenting your run 19:17 the ones I've watched have been really fun, though most nethack streams are at awkward times for europeans it seems 19:17 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 19:17 and you also did some insane strats for which i can only assume you wanted to show off a bit lol 19:18 the best thing i learned from your stream is that with maxed luck, you basically don't need to worry about electric shock effect of trapped chests 19:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6460 19:19 yeah i tend to be para about those because i often have 0 luck when looting the valley and Bad Stuff happens 19:19 something that was a TIL moment for me was when you bought clairvoyance and showed it being useful 19:19 yeah clairvoyance is great, i used to do that too 19:19 i map gehennom on the asc run so i use the ammy clairvoyance for that 19:19 its nice 19:19 for low-res speedruns 19:19 i didnt think of *buying* it tho 19:19 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 19:19 aoei: still useful for finding vlad at lesat 19:19 if you dont have magic map 19:19 stenno: right 19:19 for sure 19:20 for realtime runs it doesn't matter if you run around for a few seconds i guess 19:20 there was a bug (maybe still exists?) that tjr showed me once 19:20 yeah if you can do taht quickly 19:20 I don't remember doing anything unusual that run 19:20 where you can reliably trigger clairvoyance if you walk into walls every 30 turns or something like that 19:21 stenno: oh yeah i remember that now 19:21 343 bug 19:21 stenno: his strats didn't look crazy fancy to me in that one 19:21 * tinklebear is going to remember that thing about maxed luck and trapped chests 19:21 shit, he ascended with conflict, -36 AC and almost 200 hp tank level hp 19:22 i found gdsm wish strange 19:22 there's very little that can go wrong there XD 19:22 but i'd have to watch again 19:22 maybe its just that its so different to all the stuff lol 19:22 hm was that also the rogue one? 19:22 the bit i watched started at the castle 19:22 running around burdened 19:22 ah 19:22 maybe the recording in two parts 19:22 i had luckstone already so gdsm was pretty normal I think 19:23 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 2712 points, T:3002, killed by a giant cockroach 19:23 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 9608 points, T:4556, killed by a gray unicorn 19:23 and the luckstone here means what 19:23 i assume crowning 19:23 this wasn't a speedrun, so I crowned 19:24 ah right 19:24 I think clairvoyance is nice for exploring the dungeon because it now picks up items 19:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 5110 points, T:7469, killed by a dwarf 19:24 yeah the items thing is neat 19:24 so you can see what rooms you actually want to explore 19:24 i noticed that with the ammy clairvoyance 19:24 and sometimes used it to grab loot on the way up 19:25 luxidream: i fouhnd it so funny when you said "oh no i have to loot valley" 19:25 i hate looting valley 19:25 for me its very normal to need loot frmo teh valley and the sanctum 19:25 too many boxes 19:25 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Val Mer Fem Law), 931 points, T:1659, fell into a pit 19:25 because i have fuck all resources lol 19:25 it's less bad than priest quest 19:25 but still 19:25 lol priest quest 19:25 infinite resources 19:25 yeah it is annoying in that sense 19:25 esp if you have luck 0 and bother with #untrap etc. 19:25 its annoying if you go for realtime or gametime 19:26 could priest be the secret mvp of the speedrun? 19:26 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:26 for gametime looting the valley can be worth the turns 19:26 nah amateurhour I skipped the whole quest with cursed tele and just went to the bottom 19:26 priest has some nice things 19:26 lawful priest has slotless MR/conflict and also gets fire res from quest arti 19:26 oh lol, that shuts that idea down 19:26 assuming som wish 19:27 and autobuc is super powerful in any run 19:27 well ofc you'd levport on a speedrun 19:27 with force nerf, priest can even do it 19:27 was your thihkning that the loot would make the run? 19:27 law pri with som 19:27 nah you can walk aoei 19:27 it doesn't take that much longer 19:27 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 1065 points, T:751, killed by a gnome lord 19:27 yeah that's what I was thinking, could just rush quest start, farm xlvl from wraith 19:28 farm loot during quest 19:28 but you also have to wade through a huge graveyard of fighting 19:28 here is something else i have to learn for realtime, using pickaxe in gehe 19:28 stealth 19:28 ah right you also geno L 19:28 stealth is OP imo 19:28 im so used to playing genoless all the time lolk 19:28 totally underrated 19:28 i will geno L when attempting realtime run tho 19:29 I played elf priest for the horn and it's easier for them to force out id 19:29 without training 19:29 nice 19:29 i was also thinking of trying elf priest after this orc wiz 19:29 I know you like artiwishing stenno but honestly I probably wouldn't do it 19:29 luxidream: but im very bad at this i keep pausing to think all the time 19:29 i am currently playing elf pri, the first 3 runs i made stupid mistakes and then was tilt and died some more 19:30 luxidream: man som is so powerful 19:30 having to wait for castle for your weapon is not ideal imo 19:30 luxidream: yeah that sucks 19:30 i tend to do it occasionally with minetown lamp wish 19:30 can use unihorn intermediate 19:30 like barb g 19:30 grayswandir at minetown 19:30 luxidream: so instead sacfesting/crowning? 19:31 i hate sacfesting and getting crowned also lol 19:31 i am super som fanboy, i think its a great artifact for low-resource runs 19:31 hmm, sceptre wish with like dwarven mithril is like a gdsm wish in a way 19:31 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 19:31 budget version 19:31 yeah I hate wishing for weapons 19:31 but conflict 19:31 also runs the risk of getting haxed by rodney 19:31 which I don't like 19:32 thats def. true 19:32 thats an issue 19:32 luxidream: i think I ascended valk or barb or something with just dual wielded long-swords at some point 19:32 even thoguh he wouldn't get MR 19:32 it's not slotless MR as well, has to be wielded 19:32 yeah 19:32 it's actually fine 19:32 amateurhour: i call it slotless because its your weapon slot 19:32 yeah you can ascend without artifacts 19:32 you wouldn't want another weapon anyway as law 19:32 two-weapon so OP artifact isn't needed 19:32 I just like getting stormbringer because it has a lot of benefits 19:33 drain res is cool 19:33 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 19:33 it's actually fine 19:33 but low dmg output in gehennom 19:33 oh yeah drain res is nice 19:33 stormbringer is how I got all that clairvoyance in the first place 19:33 and protection 19:33 shkills? 19:33 oh yeah, draining yourself was a fun idea 19:34 oh self drain hahah 19:34 oh self drain 19:34 wanna try prot racket next time my priest starts with drain life 19:35 priest can't 19:35 oh wait thats an attack spell 19:35 damn 19:35 should be heal 19:35 a lot of the times you reroll all of your levels at higher con too 19:35 so that's also helpful for squishy priest 19:35 or ranger 19:35 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 19:35 i noticed that with polyselfing a lot 19:35 luxidream: do you ever horribly mess up sokoban trying to realtime run it on a laggy connection 19:35 and i didn't really like that aspect btw 19:36 suddenly i was at castle but still XL 8 19:36 so i got problems reaching 14 19:36 yeah it happens 19:36 in my rogue asc i was suddenly 16 which is 2 more than i like personally 19:36 what do you usually do for xlvl on a speedrun? 19:36 * stenno always 14 19:36 i was worried about that and slowed down with some key sections, but when the jitter is unpredictable that can fuck you up 19:37 level doesn't matter 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:30411 19:37 I mean for getting to the level 19:37 never noticed more archons with high level 19:37 Was just thinkin: "Is thsi evil or vanilla", then I backhanded the zombie and I found out. Vanilla doesn't do the backhand thing. 19:37 luxidream: i _never_ get archons 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:30412 19:37 literally never 19:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 671 points, T:712, killed by a gnome lord 19:37 false stenno 19:37 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:37 well I got archons at 14 before 19:37 you got one in Vlad's recently 19:37 :) 19:37 but there i probably was >14 19:38 stenno: That's like saying I always get death wands. :) I haven't had any all weekend. 19:38 hm or maybe not idk 19:38 I've had the odd xl14 archon 19:38 but yeah it doesn't matter, I like being higher level 19:38 but i very rarely se ethem 19:38 so what's the usual strategy for actually getting to xlvl 14? wraiths from the valley? 19:38 i also rarely go much above xl14 to compare 19:38 arahael: not talking about 'weekend' but 'several years' 19:38 I just eat wraiths if they turn up and not really worry about it too much 19:38 amateurhour: i hope for wraith drops in the castle 19:39 i will be 12 after clearing castle 19:39 castle is graveyard stenno? 19:39 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Vam Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2642 19:39 stenno: Until this weekend, I'd have said I almost always get death wands. :D 19:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Hea Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1000 19:39 yes, but there will always be 1-2 wraithes dropping 19:39 yeah castle and valley suck for getting wraitch corpse 19:39 its relatively consistent 19:39 stenno: that's valley not castle 19:39 it usually works out 19:39 valley, yes 19:39 you made it sound like you were luring to castle 19:39 which doesn't work 19:39 oh no 19:39 but yea I see what you're saying 19:39 i raid votd 19:40 you also have better chance of valley wraith corpse if you have conflict 19:40 indeed 19:40 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 19:41 my realtime strats aren't really 1h30 kind of strats 19:42 more like 2h15 kind of strats 19:42 maybe i have to try it 19:42 My usual approach is to teleport the wraiths out with the wizard's eye. 19:42 but i have to re-learn nethack again and also learn mechanics i didn't use before 19:42 stenno: I don't think it's possible to avoid archons entirely 19:42 45 is shallowest possible sanctum right? 19:43 yes 19:43 (14+45)/2 = 29.5 19:43 higher than archon difficulty at 26 19:43 they wont spawn in gehennom 19:43 Hmmmm, okay I am really confused. Why did this dilapitated armory spawn with zero monsters and zero items? I'm playing splicehack. I just am not even understanding how this case is possible tbh 19:43 drop a tell to antigulp, probably safe to assume there's a problem lol 19:44 could a monster have eaten/collected all the items Neko-chan? 19:44 luxidream: then the chance is so low at 14 that it basically doesn't happen 19:44 what is DoD alignment? neutral? 19:44 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Vam Fem Cha), 2176 points, T:3144, exterminated by a white unicorn 19:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 534 points, T:1081, killed by a gnomish wizard 19:45 amateurhour: no, it's unlikely. Even a big cube boy would leave behind the corroded items, and a crowd of R is hard to miss. Even if it's a bones level and they are actually phased into a wall somewhere there would be signs 19:45 only other place they can spawn is plane of fire 19:45 luxidream: good idea 19:45 DoD is unaligned 19:45 i did some math things once but they are probably obsolete now 19:45 they can spawn there 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:13205 19:46 yeah i've had archons spawn in DoD 19:46 I wonder how Andrio made the plot of floating eyes by spawn difficulty, maybe I'll ask them about it 19:46 !tell antigulp I generated a dilapitated armory in the course of a run and it spawned with zero items or monsters. Also, you can't write scrolls of knowledge and I magic whistled a long worm out of bounds once 19:46 antigulp shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Neko-chan. 19:46 i looked at mkclass and spawn mechanisms in general 19:46 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 19:46 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest69061 19:46 -!- Guest69061 has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 19:46 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 19:46 I don't think that last one is a glitch I just thought it was cool 19:46 you can't write scroll of knowledge is by design 19:47 -!- nimsumzero has joined #hardfought 19:47 probably should have a case for it instead of an error then 19:47 LOL 19:47 damn i even wrote quite a long essay about minesflayer which got obsoleted a few days before i wanted to release it because of changes to mkclass 19:47 certainly makes sense to not be able to write it though 19:47 I did not feel miffed lol 19:48 it sucks cause I actually really love cheesing all my armor with the transmuters that spawn there, rip 19:48 -!- nimsumzero has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:49 i know that XL16 makes it more likely for archons to spawn on Fire than 14 or 15 19:50 but thats admittably not the case in DoD 19:50 i think 19:51 or at least not that impactful 19:52 that would be +1 to spawn difficulty 19:52 maybe not too relevant 19:53 the thing with DoD spawn is that you have such a large amount of monster eligible 19:54 and the lower the level, the more weak monsters are eligible 19:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 715 points, T:1160, killed by a gnome 19:55 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Kni Dwa Fem Law), 710 points, T:2095, overpowered by a giant bat 19:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:3057 19:57 F 19:59 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 19:59 luxidream: but the set of monsters that can spawn on Fire is much much lower than in DoD 19:59 luxidream: so if you are 16, you kick out several weak monsters out of the eligibility list 20:00 <@riker> k2 you around? 20:00 interesting 20:00 what monsters are excluded by being 16 20:01 luxidream: it might also depend on sanctum depth 20:01 A dragonhide mummy wrapping? 20:01 i looked at it a few years ago, have to re-check 20:01 <@riker> ^ when i die, bury me in one of those arahael 20:01 <@riker> that sounds bad-ass 20:02 and aoei is right, it's the same as sanctum being generated two floors lower 20:02 this is https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.7/src/makemon.c#L1567 20:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 1190 points, T:911, killed by a wand 20:03 the relevant function 20:03 @riker: Insanely so. I'm considering taking my robe off and wearing it without buc'ing it. 20:04 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:04 interesting, now I know why I see so many giants on the rogue level 20:04 lol 20:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] quervo1 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 324 points, T:873, killed by a gnome 20:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:4782 20:05 -!- nimsumzero has joined #hardfought 20:05 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:30834 20:06 so stenno, what monsters have fire resistance 20:06 yeah... 20:06 <@riker> arahael: "wow, that's a lotta dragonhide required to make one of those... i'm not sure if I want to mess with THAT adventurer...." 20:06 <@riker> it's the intimidation factor tha'ts the largest contribution to your AC :) 20:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 438 points, T:741, killed by a yeti 20:08 Decided to buc it - it's cursed. 20:09 luxidream: all monsters in src/monst.c with MR_FIRE as mr1 flag 20:10 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:10 i feel like the set of fire plane monsters is pretty limited 20:10 stenno: monmin_difficulty(levdif) ((levdif) / 6) 20:10 judging by the lack of variety when im actually there lol 20:10 min difficulty isn't determined by player level 20:11 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 20:11 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) killed the Failure Eidolon, on T:31128 20:11 ah its purely dungeon level 20:11 luxidream, except in the endgame 20:11 /sacntum depth for asc run 20:12 ah I see 20:12 it adds half your experience level in the endgame 20:13 its integer division so 14 and 15 are the same 20:14 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 20:15 and i think the fact that you divide levdiv by 6 means that there are only two effective depths 20:15 45 to 47, and 48+ 20:15 7 for the former, 8 for the latter 20:16 stenno, that's assuming you're draining yourself to xl 1 though 20:17 jilles: i just meant that part, sorry, should've clarified 20:17 luxidream: real talk tho did you follow me on twitch first and i followed back, or the other way around? 20:17 its important for calculating my internt points :v 20:18 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:18 are archons such a big deal anymore though? 20:18 I think you talked about streaming your gametime run then I followed you 20:18 nice 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] BoisterousSloth (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:70515 20:18 archonstorms aren't a thing to the same extent anymore, and you can just blind yourself and carry on 20:18 and then i didnt even stream it lol 20:19 because wayland is a pile of shit 20:19 i switched back to xorg tho 20:19 realistic min difficulties will be 8-10 at xl 14, 10-11 at xl 30 20:19 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 11968 points, T:4605, killed by a crocodile 20:20 that doesn't seem like much 20:20 the other problem i have is if i want to comment on a game i need to filter ou tmy horrible fan noise somehow 20:21 if i try to hav emic on its just awful lol 20:21 jilles: monmin_difficulty will be 14 for XL 14 plane of fire 20:21 aoei: You can buy an Apple M1 for that. ;) 20:21 lol I need to stop breathing into the mic 20:21 arahael: i was hoping to find a cheaper solution :P 20:21 luxidream: turn away from the mic to breathe in 20:21 like at some point i want a better computer 20:21 jilles: we are talking specifically about plane of fire 20:22 than this crappy laptop 20:22 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Ran Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1872 20:22 chocolate rain 20:22 thanks amateurhour 20:22 :D 20:23 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) attained the rank of Knight of the Skies, on T:31842 20:23 jilles: assuming sanctum at 45-47, otherwise 15 20:23 aoei: Haha. :) 20:24 aoei: Have you cleaned the insides of it, perhaps, and replaced the heat sink compound? Never done that myself but it's a possibility...? 20:24 but im pretty sure there are software mode filters for stuff like fan noise 20:24 if you're looking for a cheap computer aoei I have had good success on backmarket, so long as you are ok with refurbished 20:25 and is the fan noise like the fan being loud or just running too often at high speeds? 20:25 cause it might be a bearing in the fan if it just makes an irregular amount of noise 20:25 hmm 20:25 interesting 20:25 aoei: (And to just dig _again_: The Macbook Air for M1 has *no fan*) 20:25 yeah it makes noise constantly 20:25 it sjust way worse under load 20:25 lol 20:26 jilles: never mind, sorry 20:26 i opened it up one time to put new RAM and SSD inside the laptop 20:26 and wanted to clean the fan 20:26 but i believe the thing you're meant to use is canned CO2 or something 20:26 which i keep forgetting ot buy 20:26 it will be more 20:26 I tend to just use a brush. Some are a fan of the CO2, others are against it. 20:27 -!- terpri has left #hardfought 20:27 i will do the math when i am home again in queit 20:27 quiet 20:27 hm i see 20:27 computers fan should be 'relatively' silent. Depending on where it is you could swap out the whole fan assembly and that might just fix the problem easier than replacing the computer 20:27 i guess im also nervous about fucking it up lol 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3502 20:27 aoei: The concern against the canned CO2, is that it can force teh dust where you don't want it. 20:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jops (Val Hum Fem Law), 494 points, T:1986, killed by a giant mimic 20:28 yea Neko-chan that sounds great if doable 20:28 hmm, gelatinous cubes are difficulty 8 and have fire resistance, so they can appear on the plane of fire but only if the dungeon is shallow and you're relatively inexperienced 20:30 pyrolisks and flaming spheres too 20:30 zlevel will be between 52-59 with XL14 20:30 and 53-60 with XL16 20:31 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 20:31 -!- luxidream has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:31 I have a completely smooth brain and 3 brain cells and I can do it, so I am fairly confident you could aoei. Places like microcenter have common parts, and depending on your specific computer you could find the specific replacement online for cheap 20:32 feel free to pm me if you want to talk about it more 20:32 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 20:32 :o 20:32 okies 20:32 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 20:32 * arahael pm's Neko-chan asking if he can "touch it". 20:32 <.< 20:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:32323 20:33 inappropes 20:33 so monmin_difficulty will be 8 and 9 for XL14, and 8 and 10 for XL16 20:33 <@luxidream> :smoothbrain: 20:33 8 to 10 20:33 aoei: Indeed. :( Illegal, infact, sadly. Brains are awesome. 20:33 fire elementals are difficulty 10 20:34 this is only relevant if you actually get 52 max depth 20:34 fire giants are 11 20:34 Neko-chan: you are probably right and I could probab ly pull it off - I get much more nervous about fucking with hardware tho :D 20:34 otherwise there is no difference 20:34 like the OS i dont care ,i'll break shit all kinds of catastrophically 20:34 i think 20:34 but its like, worst case reinstall the OS 20:35 oh but maybe monmax difficulty increases the pool 20:35 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:35 but i doubt there is a fire res monster with a higher level than archon 20:35 aoei: it's scary, but you can do it if you're careful. The risks here are pretty small for what you've described, it's a great for someone a little nervous honestly 20:35 aoei: If you consider your computer critically important, you should consider justifying a backup system - and finding a second hand item that you might have to poke inside and clean out is an appropriate choice, imho. Once you've got a backup, you can then refine your previous system without significant concern, imho. 20:36 stenno, there's only one randomly-generatable monster with a higher difficulty than an Archon and it's G_HELL 20:36 namely arch-lich 20:36 arahael: yeah that's not a bad idea 20:36 right now im a borke gal with only her ex's old laptop (tho i have upgraded the memory and storage a bit) 20:37 aoei: How old is it? 20:37 so a deeper dungeon or gaining more experience makes monsters harder by excluding easy monsters at the low end 20:37 oh idk 20:37 6 or 7 years maybe 20:37 maybe there is a sticker somewhere that sasy 20:37 says* 20:37 jilles: right 20:37 aoei: Ah, and it's "fast enough" and all that? If so, consider looking for a *similar* spec on the second hand places, reesist the urge for pointless upgrades. 20:38 jilles: but where is G_HELL respected here? 20:38 !pom 20:38 Neko-chan: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 8 days. 20:38 stenno, in uncommon() (3.6.x) 20:38 aah ok 20:38 arahael: yeah maybe? some things run a bit slow on this system but for most tasks its fine, and the SSD and RAM were huge upgrades 20:38 so that also means that the steam and fire vortices aren't randomly generated 20:39 aoei: I think systems nearly a decade old should be remarkably cheap. :) Yeah, SSD and RAM are always huge upgrades. 20:39 i did manage to replace my laptop screen once 20:39 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:39 not this laptop but my old one that broke before i inherited this item 20:39 I had a busted laptop whose ram was fine so I swapped it into an old laptop. now the old laptop runs better but it has significantly less battery life 20:40 Thats more than most people do. 20:40 yeah, lots of G_HELL monsters in the fire part of dat/endgame.des 20:40 dat endgame 20:40 the most I've done with my laptop is open it up to install a SSD years ago 20:40 I'm not much of a hardware person 20:40 arahael: i was also pretty nervous about attempting that job :D 20:41 jilles: so unless max depth is 52, it doesn't make a difference if i am 14 or 16 20:41 Last time I bought a desktop - custom made and all that, I got the *shop* to put it together. :( In my defense, it cut down on pastage, which is expensive here. 20:41 *postage 20:41 arahael: my old laptop was a customised build :) 20:41 jilles: regarding archon spawn chance on Fire 20:41 aoei: Nice. :) 20:42 arahael: I saved almost £100 jsut for saying "no windows pls" 20:42 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:42 XD 20:42 aoei: My new one is, too - I specified additional RAM and additioanl storage, which in apple's terms, is so crazy custom that my order got delayed. :( 20:42 aoei: Nice. 20:42 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) killed Drauglir, on T:31896 20:42 :o 20:42 aoei: (I'm excited about the M1 because I only get to pick it up tomorrow. So it's like, Real Soon Now) 20:42 Neko-chan: good run? 20:42 arahael: oh thats why haha 20:43 im averse to apple products for some reason 20:43 you can probably be the first person in the world to run nethack on M1 20:43 possibly not for any particular good reason 20:43 I am averse to apple products because apple loves to rip their Brazilian userbase off 20:43 im definitely more averse to windows/microsoft products tho lol 20:44 hooray for manufacturers that allow you to buy a machine with no os installed so you're not eating the cost of a windows license 20:45 aosdict: yeah its also really annoying how rare that is 20:45 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 210 points, T:1042, sent to the grave by a bat, while sleeping 20:45 stenno, right 20:45 alright, cool 20:45 so i was 1/7 correct 20:45 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:46 aoei: I have figured out how to play somewhat 20:46 \o/ 20:46 noice 20:46 lets figure out the actualy percentages 20:46 I still want a lance though, I almost wished for one 20:47 is Dra similar to Knight or something 20:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Ran Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3234 20:47 i think i can just grep for MR_FIRE because every monster that provides fire resistance is also fire resistant 20:47 in the sense that you can ride things without a tameness penalty, yes, but Dra is like, kind of an absurd class. I'm having a lot of fun doing really goofy things 20:47 neat :D 20:48 * stenno actaully clones the repo 20:48 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 20:49 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 20:49 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (beckett.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 20:49 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 20:49 I have this strategy I brewed up where I spawn a bunch of pet dragons and apply that as a resource really early, but I changed gender on accident and had to audible 20:49 Oh dear... That's not a dwarf lord, that's a mind flayer, and I'm Very Stupid. 20:49 Neko-chan: i got a pretty nice orc wiz run going 20:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Ran Gno Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:3453 20:49 Int: 4 20:49 arahael: oof 20:49 I almost quit but I'm trying really hard to not quit early and I'm glad I didn't cause jabberwocks are good actually 20:49 arahael: same 20:49 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 127 points, T:270, killed by a silver shuriken 20:50 Neko-chan: what means "had to audible"? 20:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 360 points, T:1199, killed by a gnome 20:50 oh, like, I changed my strategy immediately and on the fly based on new information 20:51 I think it's a football/sports term originally but I heard it mostly in an mtg context 20:51 And this is only dlvl 6! 20:51 heh i didnt know you could use word audible ilke that 20:51 ah i see 20:51 mtg? 20:51 magic the gathering; a card game 20:51 ah 20:51 sounds like "ad lib" 20:52 as for magic the gathering i have heard of this game but i dont think i ever played it 20:52 (Muadible) 20:52 At this rate, a dunce cap will *improve* my int. 20:52 I remember MtG being a thing when I was in high school many years ago... I'm surprised it's still around 20:52 aoei: It's as a fun game but the cards are expensive. 20:52 card games won't die 20:53 damn there are linebreaks 20:53 This isn't a normal card game, though - In mtg, you *collect* cards so that you ahve more to play with. 20:53 nabru: even yugioh is still around 20:53 I played pokemon tcg a few years ago, would like to get back into it sometime 20:53 when i was like 6 or 7 years old pokémon cards were huge in my primary school 20:53 yes arahael I know what tcgs are 20:53 arahael: ... so it's a standard trading card game 20:53 but nobody except me wanted to play the actual game except me 20:53 like yugioh or pokemon 20:53 they just traded them 20:53 I guess - mtg's the only "trading card game" I've ever experienced! :D 20:54 :| 20:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:7129 20:54 yeah most younger kids won't play the game 20:54 aoei: good lesson in economics? 20:54 i wanted to tho :c 20:54 they have a junior division but the decks aren't very good there 20:54 hopw many collection binders would you pay for a shiny charizard 20:54 aosdict: lol 20:54 how* 20:55 https://shop.tcgplayer.com/pokemon/hidden-fates-shiny-vault/charizard-gx 20:55 aosdict^ 20:55 well not shiny. I forget what the term is. holographic? foil? 20:55 <@based> shiny ring 20:55 spl has the Holographic Void Lily so it's probably that 20:55 that's an actual shiny charizard 20:55 one sold for 10k which started a bunch of hype 20:55 luxidream: I mean a shiny card 20:55 it's fallen significantly since then 20:55 like, normal colors but iridescent 20:55 lol i remember the shiny ones 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:2519 20:56 yea I'd say a foil card 20:56 when I played pokemon video games the height of my career was catching a shiny pokemon 20:56 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 20:56 which one was it 20:57 I wanna say... aron? 20:57 gen 3 20:57 I caught a shiny bidoof 20:57 in gen 5 20:57 [hdf-us] [evil] BoisterousSloth (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) defeated the invisible Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:71458 20:57 also my only shiny pokemon 20:59 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 21:00 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Wer Mal Neu), 242 points, T:418, murdered by a gnome lord 21:02 <@Tone> Are the shiny ones just very rare or hard to catch? 21:04 lmao 21:04 jilles: plane of fire spawns a dust vortex 21:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:34175 21:05 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/blob/NetHack-3.6/dat/endgame.des#L327 21:05 it will die very quickly i'd guess 21:06 Tone: shiny pokemon in earlier generations were 1/8192 21:06 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest3864 21:06 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 21:06 -!- Guest3864 has quit [Killed (card.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 21:06 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 21:06 very rare occurrence 21:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3390 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3454 21:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a monkey corpse on an altar, on T:3462 21:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5064 21:13 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 21:13 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1937 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Arc Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3379 21:16 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Gno Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Raijin, on T:2225 21:16 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2091 points, T:3641, killed by a rope golem 21:18 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:8784 21:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 4021 points, T:5811, killed by a hill orc 21:20 Yay now I don't have to finish upside down soko 2A 21:20 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Gno Mal Neu), 2136 points, T:2432, murdered by a soldier ant 21:22 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 21:24 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 21:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinator, on T:9221 21:33 wiki says: 21:33 Baby dragons randomly occur only on those levels that are eligible for baby monsters; 21:34 which levels are that? 21:35 any aligned level 21:36 <@nabru> !time 21:36 @nabru: Sat Dec 5 21:36:50 2020 EST 21:37 luxidream: so all of gehennom? 21:38 oh never mind 21:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Bar Hum Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:23180 21:38 hell is unaligned 21:38 yeah 21:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1604 points, T:1562, killed by a bugbear 21:41 time to try continue this orc wiz thing 21:41 try to move fast but also not die 21:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3872 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Bar Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:23526 21:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3952 21:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a concave amulet on an altar, on T:3955 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:24997 21:50 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:50 -!- luxidream has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:51 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:52 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 21:52 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (verne.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 21:52 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 22:04 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 22:05 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 10462 points, T:5362, killed by a soldier ant 22:09 YANI: artifact leash that always makes the leashed pet slightly faster than you regardless of the monster 22:09 cause wow having a monster not be constantly lagging behind actually makes leashes not infuriating to use 22:09 maybe I should just be slower... 22:10 * Neko-chan zaps herself with a wand of slow monster 22:11 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:42758 22:14 Neko-chan: That's exactly why I don't bother with pets as a monk. 22:14 I love pets so much honestly 22:14 they do take a lot of patience though 22:15 * tinklebear wonders how they manage to make the f move like real cats 22:15 return (boolean) (mons[mndx].maligntyp > A_NEUTRAL); 22:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Nob Dwa Fem Law), 9542 points, T:4148, killed by an Uruk-hai 22:17 Neko-chan: "The cat wants to get out of the shop". "The cat is suddenly unsure." "The cat remains inside the shop". 22:17 my cats completely rob shops blind 22:17 genuinely proud of very rarely buying from shops 22:17 I hate capitalism 22:18 I kill all shopkeepers on principal 22:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Sam Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:26022 22:18 errr principle 22:19 * tinklebear is unclear on the distinction between mercantilism and capitalism 22:19 I think the trick is using cursed items to decrease the amount of squares they can move to and like moving all the items around 22:20 statues on top can be useful, too 22:20 tinklebear: Yendorian shopkeepers sole existence is to pointless accumulate and horde wealth, often charging exorbitant prices 22:20 Neko-chan: there we go. eli5 is more my speed, thank you. 22:21 * tinklebear is very against pointless accumulation of loot and such 22:22 the code handling 'baby' monsters is terrible and may lead to false positives with hilarious consequences 22:24 stenno1: what do you mean?? like in terms of movement? 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] sohlman (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 2770 points, T:2570, killed by a kitten 22:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jops (Val Hum Fem Law), 1291 points, T:2928, poisoned by an orcish arrow 22:31 Neko-chan: no shopkeepers == no price-identification. Just a thought. 22:32 that's true, I sometimes price id something on the couple of turns before they are killed by the righteous fury of my pet dragon 22:32 (also, no second-rate sanctuary in minetown after you prematurely anger the watch captain) 22:32 I have this awesome identification technique of "getting bored and quaffing/drinking potions" 22:32 lol 22:33 I mean quaffing and reading, my brain broke there 22:33 i do this thing sometimes, i call it 'ninja nethack' 22:33 you have to quaff every potion, read every scroll and spellbook, put on every ring you find 22:33 * tinklebear thought that was all-the-time nethack, but okay 22:33 also I've been dropping all my rings down the sink lately and wow what a relief to not think about them. Like "bye see you later!" 22:33 -!- tonehack has quit [Quit: Leaving] 22:34 K2: oh that's great, I like that 22:34 -!- tonehack has joined #hardfought 22:34 it harkens back to my high school days when we used to play 'ninja putt putt golf' 22:34 I've done that sometimes. If I spawn with a character with bad stats I'll play like that, but sometimes you get some pretty silly boosts and the character gets good 22:34 ninja putt putt?? lol that sounds chaotic 22:34 you had to hit the ball as hard as you could, even if you were only a couple inches away from the hole 22:35 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Gno Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3110 22:35 was way fun, esp if you were drunk (we usually were) 22:35 lol. bad idea golf 22:35 I like that, the part I hate most about golf is having to think 22:35 K2: You were drunk duringi high school? Sound like you had a great school. :) (Mine was waaaay too tame by comparison, my life didn't start until perhaps uni) 22:35 well not ALL the time 22:36 Ha. 22:36 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Gno Mal Neu), 1323 points, T:3165, defeated by a giant beetle 22:36 :P 22:36 bad idea high school 22:36 the boeing employees at the course we played at in HS had coolers in their bags. That's how we got free golfbeer. 22:36 \o/ 22:36 at my high school we did this thing where there was a month semester of all elective classes at the end of the year, and one year we built a mini golf course based on the anatomy of a cell 22:36 I was tipsy for the first time once, technically, as I had an mild allergic reaction to white wine during high school, then proper tipsy when I had some trappist beer after I finished uni. :) 22:37 my first year of college was a blur 22:37 so much partying 22:37 which is why i was asked to leave after my second year :P 22:37 Haha! 22:38 I went to a cool nerd high school. I never drank though, despite experimenting a bit with it, it's too overwhelming for me 22:38 Frankly, I'm not sure which is better in terms of business success. You do need an element of social... Stuff... 22:38 you can be social without drinking too though 22:38 everything in moderation 22:38 Indeed. I wasn't terribly social at all. 22:38 it does lubricate the social situations sometimes, especially when you're awkward 22:39 i was very social. too mcuh maybe 22:39 much 22:39 all the little nerd cliques usually get a lot more social and open once they start drinking in college 22:39 I was a *christian* nerd, and deaf, to boot. 22:39 people are social at me but I'm like, 0 brain cell 22:39 now i just go to work and then go home. and this was before covid :P 22:39 now you get to work AT home 22:39 i come HERE 22:39 I don't do anything anymore 22:39 does unnethack still use color alchemy? Wiki mentions v3.5.2 and current is 6. 22:40 I have had... One visitor... All year here... And that was because we had to invite the neighbours over when I locked my wife out. (Accidentally), so they were sheltering her for the afternoon. :D 22:40 Such a crazy day, that one. 22:40 (She forgot her keys, and I can't hear the door bell, so... Yeah...) 22:40 oh nooooo 22:40 you dont hide a key outside somewhere? 22:41 She also forgot her phone. And she *also* forgot the code to the combination lock we have the holds the keys outside for that specific reason. 22:41 I just got back from a drive through nasal swabbing. Really amazingly efficient operation they got going on. You could barely feel them implant the Bill Gates microchip in my brain! 22:41 arahael lol 22:41 and i bet its all your fault because you didnt hear the doorbell 22:41 bouquet i HATE those 22:41 the nose swabs 22:41 just stumbled into medusa's island and I was about to roll up to her and I am so glad I took a second to think because I absolutely do not have reflection 22:42 K2: Heh, actually no, because I genuinly can't hear at all. You know those people you often see signing? Chances are they can hear more than I can! 22:42 Very good chances, infact. 22:42 oof 22:42 i'm mostly deaf in my left ear w/ tinnitus 22:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12408 22:42 right ear is still good 22:42 had to get it even though I'm a recoving covidholic. 22:42 make spinpointing direction of sounds interesting 22:42 I'm completely deaf. People who have profound hearing loss can almost always hear far better than I can. 22:43 ugh 22:43 what happened? 22:43 I had meningitis when I was 1 year old. 22:43 :( 22:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Groobee (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1130 points, T:2140, killed by a gecko, while frozen by a monster's gaze 22:43 I pretend to be hard of hearing so I can ignore people. 22:43 Destroyed my hearing, and then proceded to turn all teh fluid in the cochlea to bone, for good measure. 22:43 arahael you so lucky... you dont have to pretend. you can legitimately ignore your spouse 22:44 * bouquet high fives K2 22:44 K2: When it comes to the door bell, indeed. 22:44 :) 22:44 wait so balance issues too? 22:45 I did have to relearn all that, but on the plus side, I literally don't know what the meaning of the term "dizzy". 22:45 bonus 22:45 Indeed, though I can't walk in the dark too well. 22:46 my hearing loss stems from my first tour to iraq 22:46 the hearing loss bit isnt so bad, its the tinnitus that sucks. some days worse than others 22:46 Ah, yeah, I always have tinnitus. 22:46 like right now, its all i can 'hear' 22:46 :( 22:47 its like i dont mind if there's no getting the hearing back, just make the ringing stop 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 5877 points, T:6430, killed by a soldier ant 22:49 K2: That was one reason I stopped using my implant - helps make me be at peace with the tinnitus. Easier to just disregard *all* sound, real or fake. 22:49 my earpiece just amplified all the background noise 22:49 i stopped using it a long time ago 22:50 plus it hurt my outer ear after about 20 min of use 22:50 But speaking of being tipsy... There's a point where the alcohol impacts on the tinnitus, I've noticed. :) And I find it also helps to focus on something, such as coding, nethacking, or something. 22:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "marker", on T:15073 22:50 heh 22:50 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:47696 22:51 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 22:51 It's actually a *very* nice feeling to sort of "float"... *and* have the tinnitus change. 22:51 hmm 22:51 But I rarely drink that much as I don't want the potential health impact. :( 22:51 you're making me jealous heh 22:52 ggrrrr its really hard to keep moving and doing stuff 22:52 I fear I'd become an alcoholic if I did that often. 22:52 at castle already eaten nearly 5 hours 22:53 K2: Oh, evil's soko is awesome, I love it. :) 22:53 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2553 22:53 K2: Not because fo the goodies at the end (I havne't finished it yet, either), but because it's *not flipped*. 22:53 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) killed Medusa, on T:35923 22:54 \o/ 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 265 points, T:286, killed by an orc zombie 22:56 oh I am apparently just playing without body armor? 22:56 w-where did it go 22:56 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Ran Dwa Fem Cha), 1007 points, T:1865, dismembered by a parrot 22:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Dnb-Nob Dwa Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1978 22:59 [hdf-us] [slshm] sohlman (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 1770 points, T:1229, killed by a gnomish wizard 23:00 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pir Wer Fem Cha), 83 points, T:366, overpowered by a newt 23:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jops (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2619 23:05 [hdf-us] [un] sohlman (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided krakens locally on T:72 23:06 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:44909 23:08 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 128 points, T:708, killed by a small mimic 23:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:48639 23:10 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 92 points, T:49, killed by an electric shock 23:11 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 82 points, T:74, killed by a sewer rat 23:12 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 37 points, T:47, killed by a sewer rat 23:12 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Wer Fem Neu), 1222 points, T:1566, dispatched by a gnome 23:14 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Con Mer Fem Cha), 108 points, T:293, dispatched by a serval 23:15 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Rog Wer Fem Cha), 8 points, T:169, cut down by a sewer rat 23:17 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 238 points, T:1004, killed by Mr. Malasgirt, the shopkeeper 23:17 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 5396 points, T:5080, killed by a panther 23:18 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Arc Inf Fem Law), 122 points, T:444, killed by a boulder 23:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:49112 23:19 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 23:20 That was a frustrating game, no helm for the first 5 dlvls. 23:23 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Cav Vam Fem Cha), 243 points, T:732, done in by a serval 23:23 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 898 points, T:847, killed by a dwarf 23:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2051 23:29 [hdf-us] [dyn] Bourne (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 355 points, T:577, killed by a kobold 23:29 arahael: dare you to realtime speedrun EvilHack 23:30 -!- luxidream has joined #hardfought 23:30 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Adept, on T:5970 23:32 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Gno Mal Neu) averted death (mowed down by a chameleon imitating a nosferatu), on T:6075 23:32 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Gno Mal Neu), 5864 points, T:6077, sent to the grave by a chameleon imitating a nosferatu 23:33 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 1713 points, T:1659, killed by a gray ooze 23:36 [hdf-us] [un] sohlman (Val Dwa Fem Law), 950 points, T:2003, killed by a hill orc, while sleeping 23:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1565 23:38 aoei: *no*. :) 23:39 Jo 23:39 *Yo 23:39 <@luxidream> Jo 23:40 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1956 points, T:1445, eliminated by a giant bat 23:41 you called? 23:41 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 23:41 aoei: Well, actually... Most of my evilhacks - and most of my nethacks in general are all done impatiently, but I've yet to ascend evil even once. 23:43 I called 23:43 How are yo 23:43 you* 23:44 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Kni Hum Mal Law) genocided vorpal jabberwocks dungeon wide on T:46688 23:45 ah i got confused and thought lux called cuz my name is also shortened to Jo 23:45 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pir Inf Fem Cha), 193 points, T:770, done in by a corpseworm 23:45 im ok how are you Umby 23:46 lol... minetown hobbit was carrying 2 food rations, a pancake, carrot, and candy bar out of the general store 23:47 What about second breakfast? 23:51 good question 23:51 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law) killed the invisible Ancient Brain, on T:37398 23:52 -!- luxidream has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:52 it's very funny that this monster doesn't appear on telepathy, presumably because it lacks a brain 23:52 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:53 I'm gonna eat it 23:53 aoei: Feel free to watch my game if you want anyway. :) But it's boring, I'm sure. :) 23:53 <@luxidream> oh I didn't know that 23:53 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Mon Chn Fem Law), 359 points, T:978, killed by an electric shock 23:54 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:55 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Hea Gul Fem Neu), 21 points, T:215, killed by a fox 23:56 on discord im here as @Joanna 23:56 but tbf i dont use this discord bridge much 23:56 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:42409 23:56 <{Demo}> irc!!!! 23:57 * Umbire now knows aoei real name 23:57 time to dox u :3 23:57 soup {Demo} 23:57 lol Umby try it 23:57 aoei's* 23:57 what are you gonna do 23:57 out me as a nethack player? 23:57 Yes. 23:57 XD 23:57 but also call you Joan until it becomes endearingly annoying 23:57 (I draw the line at actually annoying) 23:57 <@luxidream> joanna joestar 23:58 lol