00:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:20684 00:00 [hdf-eu] [xnh] aoei (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1786 points, T:1294, killed by a giant spider 00:00 rip 00:00 aw no healing this time 00:00 and no tonal dammit 00:00 * aoei scums 00:02 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Pir Wer Fem Cha), 873 points, T:2219, taken down by a dingo 00:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 200592 points, T:35710, killed by a priestess of Odin 00:02 !lastgame 00:02 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/shadowcat/splicehack/dumplog/1606970990.splice.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aoei/xnethack/dumplog/1606969300.xnh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Tangles/nethack/dumplog/1606914629.nh.html 00:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:20835 00:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:20836 00:10 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Arc Inf Fem Cha), 275 points, T:1051, killed by a corpseworm 00:13 aosdict: lol, dl4 this game has 3 double shops 00:13 as in 3 antique weapons outlets and 3 used armour dealershipos 00:13 all on one level lol 00:14 it's entirely possible the code which went to master when I fixed that bug was not ready for master 00:14 can I see 00:14 watch my game 00:15 i just went back to that level 00:15 yeah ok 00:15 !lastgame haldisse 00:15 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/h/haldisse/nethack/dumplog/1604039214.nh.html 00:15 need anything else or all good? 00:15 that is the latest themed room I added, and I'm proud of it 00:15 nice 00:15 but there should be at most 2 themed rooms per level 00:15 ahhh i see 00:16 The door crashes open! A bucket of water splashes down on you! 00:16 LOL! 00:16 no you don't see 00:16 nice door trap XD 00:16 look at themerms.lua 00:16 aosdict: liar, I can see just fine 00:16 somehow my unfinished code got committed and pushed when I was just trying to push the hotfix 00:16 the hell did haldisse do 00:16 ok let me look at this themerms.lua thing 00:17 aoei: you're currently in a dungeon where there's a 50/50 chance of generating one of those double business rooms, or a normal room 00:17 at level 4+ 00:17 lol no wonder i saw so many of these 00:17 nearly all my games have had one so far 00:17 lol 00:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:21587 00:18 enjoy the... armor and weapons for now while they're there 00:18 i dont really understand how to read the lua file tbh 00:19 but you've already explained what it means anyway 00:19 well hopefully when i have some cash or means to burgle i can get some decent stuff 00:19 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Hea Mer Fem Neu), 316 points, T:1081, cut down by an iguana, while reading a book 00:19 there's a possible GoP in one of the shops i think 00:19 what I do to test out new themed rooms is set the "normal" room prob to 1 and comment out all other themed rooms 00:19 maybe some speed boots will crop up somewhere 00:19 that's currently the setup 00:19 ahhh thas why so much is commented 00:19 you're running themerms.lua test code 00:20 lol 00:20 wait the double businesses thing isn't even supposed to be in master yet 00:20 lol! 00:20 what commit did it sneak into 00:21 have fun tracking that one down i guess 00:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:21771 00:21 starting with +oMM is so sweet for low AC monsters 00:21 stuff where force bolt misses every time 00:22 [hdf-eu] [xnh] aoei (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1104 points, T:1579, killed by a dwarf 00:22 oops, should have run not hit 00:22 time to start over i guess 00:23 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 142 points, T:817, murdered by a fox 00:23 the mines are dangerous for elves ffs 00:24 well it is a massive iron repository 00:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:21935 00:25 man the asc run 00:25 its just amazing 00:26 Umbire: yeah exactly lol 00:26 its terrifying 00:26 might have to do soko first 00:26 but i want to check the minetown shops etc. :C 00:27 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Wiz Mer Fem Neu), 172 points, T:651, overpowered by a goblin 00:28 aoei: so, in sum, I blame @based for everything, because by reporting a bug at that precise time when I was in the middle of testing new themed room stuff, it interfered and caused this whole snafu 00:28 that's the main reason I hate orctown nowadays 00:28 :P 00:29 I got muns to spend mang 00:29 aosdict: oh yeah makes perfect sense 00:29 blame helpful community members 00:29 ;) 00:29 saves having to acknowledge and work on your own awareness and habits 00:33 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:2382 00:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 832 points, T:1845, killed by a dwarf 00:36 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Rog Dro Fem Cha), 781 points, T:1493, defeated by a myconid scout 00:38 aosdict: actually this bug is awesome 00:38 if i managed to beat sokoban 00:38 i'll have money for armour 00:38 and loads of armour available for purchase 00:39 and then i'll be less likely to die horribly in the mines 00:39 yeah enjoy it while it lasts 00:39 i shall 00:41 -!- nimsumzero has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:41 for some reason i still went to the mines first 00:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:22845 00:42 aoei: also if you look at the weapons and armor shopkeepers, all the weapons guys on one level should have the same name, as will the armor guys 00:43 still not sure exactly why 00:43 this isn't normally a problem :P 00:43 heh odd 00:43 how would i message antigulp? Or could someone else help with a potential bug in splicehack? 00:43 shadowcat: could raise a github issue, or !tell AntiGulp here 00:45 !tell antigulp i think I may have hit a bug in splicehack. playing a changeling, i went to use a technique alternate form but every form I tried to change into said You are not familiar enough with that form to polymorph into it. I even tried human and changeling and just got stuck in that loop with no way out. 00:45 I'm on it, shadowcat. 00:45 yay i made it to minetown alive 00:46 ok, i don't have ring of free action 00:46 !tell antigulp after around 10 tries, it finally said enough and polymorphed me into a random form. I turned into a Nightmare. 00:46 I'm on it, shadowcat. 00:46 just evaporated my only wand of poly 00:49 hm. coaligned minetown 00:49 idk if i wanna try and camp for Magicbane or play atheist tho 00:49 !who 00:49 K2: [hdf-us] Umbire [nh370] Thidwick [nh370] huloxia [nh4] nekochan [spl] shadowcat [spl] | [hdf-eu] smzp [ndnh] stenno [nh370] Vis [dnh] aoei [xnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 00:50 well without create monster its a bit moot anyway 00:50 i guess 00:50 hey aosdict 00:50 err aoei 00:50 AOEI 00:50 hey K2 00:50 whats up 00:51 mind saving your xnh game real quick? update 00:51 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Ran Chn Fem Cha), 514 points, T:1165, killed by a hobgoblin 00:51 hmmmmm depends 00:52 will this mean i no longer get loads of weapon and armour shops? 00:52 <.< 00:52 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 00:52 or i can update on top of your existing game 00:52 >.> 00:52 you pick 00:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:22900 00:52 what happens if you do that 00:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:22901 00:52 while you're playing? not sure 00:52 you know what i dont want to chance it 00:52 i'll save :P 00:52 just save 00:52 logged out 00:52 saved 00:53 ok done 00:53 do your stuff 00:53 alrady? 00:53 you can resume 00:53 k nice 00:53 i had already compiled, the install takes a split second 00:53 ah right 00:53 xNetHack updated (all servers) 00:54 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 00:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:23099 00:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:23112 00:58 i - a plastic mummy wrapping {6}. <-- would that be like "saran wrap"? lol 01:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:23167 01:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1555876 points, T:23191, ascended 01:00 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1606953768.nh.html 01:00 ok 01:00 :o 01:00 took it really slow and tried out some strats 01:00 jwellers 01:00 grats stenno 01:00 +oMM sucks for kni 01:00 what kinda strats 01:01 aoei: thanks 01:01 well, knight as spellcaster i guess 01:01 it doesnt suck if you wish for the Eye and convert post quest 01:01 to neutral 01:01 actually you can do it during quest just need to gain entry first 01:01 there's even a convenient neutral altar on one of the levels 01:02 on Earth i used a strat i saw in one of luxidreams games, there was an umber hulk so i used it as as ource of confusion 01:02 generally i was super wasteful with my resources 01:02 could have ascended at least 5k turns earlier lol 01:02 ah welll 01:02 you're learning stuff 01:02 thats goods 01:02 3.7 force is amazing <3 01:02 yep! 01:03 and it was really fun 01:03 also apparently i played through the night lol 01:03 lets see if i can get 13 wins in december 01:04 really like the changes to the uniques, that you can only not teleport if you are on the same level 01:04 i feel like trying some atheist vegan and atheist foodless nh366 and xnh speedruns 01:05 i have to remember to go vegan in the game where i plan to get crowned 01:05 forgot it for my gno ran 01:05 next will be tou, monk or sam 01:05 so, tou i guess 01:06 pffff its not even challenging if you get crowned 01:06 lol 01:06 whats the point then 01:06 foodless sounds liek a challenge 01:06 do you scum of =oSD then? 01:07 or how do you play foodless atheist 01:07 yeah im trying to scum for that 01:07 i guess polyselfing 01:07 yeah =oSD and polyself basically 01:07 polyself into own race 01:07 <@luxidream> aoei: resists don't matter, crowning makes it too easy 01:07 <@luxidream> pick one 01:07 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed Lokoban, on T:6622 01:07 lol luxidream 01:07 fair point 01:08 yeah the crowning doesnt actually make that much difference 01:08 except for your peace of mind 01:09 you do have to think a little more about rings etc. if you're uncrowned and vegan/foodless 01:09 but most resists honeslty are unnecessary 01:09 fire is sort of important, cold matters if you don't bribe Asmo 01:09 poison is annoying bc instadeath risk 01:09 play orc 01:09 no 01:09 oh but orc doesn't get hungerless spellcsting 01:09 i guess thats important 01:09 <@luxidream> orc wiz op 01:10 so op 01:10 <@luxidream> let's see how many orc wiz I have played 01:10 i think i may have ascended one once? 01:10 i think its actually strong 01:10 you will survive the early game much better 01:11 Rodney | stenno: race,count(*): 1) Elf,9; 2) Gno,1 01:11 lul 01:11 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Arc Dwa Fem Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:6877 01:11 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:11 ive played 33 orc wizards 01:12 i will play orc wiz in my 13-roles tnnt-style attempt 01:12 i've ascended 0 of them haha 01:12 can we see that on the NHS? 01:12 not currently no 01:12 this should come under new features/custom search planning 01:12 <@luxidream> how many orc wiz have I won aoei 01:13 name='luxidream' ? 01:13 <@luxidream> yea 01:13 0 01:13 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 01:13 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 01:13 <@luxidream> something is wrong 01:13 you also have played 0 orc wiz 01:13 <@luxidream> ๐Ÿ˜› 01:13 well you def. won some at tnnt 01:13 er oh 01:13 something is probably wrong 01:13 <@luxidream> it's only my favorite combo 01:13 luxidream: is it actually Luxidream? 01:13 uppercase? 01:14 <@luxidream> yeah try that 01:14 it's case sensitive ithink 01:14 537 games 01:14 <@luxidream> Nice 01:14 86 ascended 01:14 er what 01:14 heh maybe i will try more orc wiz at some point 01:15 stenno you have ascended 0/8 orc wiz 01:15 81 wiz 01:15 thanks aoei 01:15 all 81 wiz were orc? 01:15 <@luxidream> i think i play orc wiz too much 01:15 hm what 01:15 at least in nethack 01:15 lol 01:15 stenno: where are you getting 81 from 01:16 you are like Wooble only that he play gno wiz, not orc wiz 01:16 https://nethackscoreboard.org/players/L/Luxidream.nh.html 01:16 oh the lookups i was just doing 01:16 were not specific to vanilla 01:16 81 wiz wins 01:16 <@luxidream> probably dyna orc wiz 01:16 <@luxidream> or nh4 01:16 <@luxidream> also included 01:16 stenno: race,count(*): 1) Gno,91; 2) Elf,12; 3) Hum,2; 4) Orc,1 01:17 Lux has 61 vanilla orc wiz asc 01:17 this is Woobles statistic on NAO ^ 01:17 lmao 01:17 <@luxidream> oh damn 01:17 thats silly 01:17 <@luxidream> I have some work to do 01:17 but also cool 01:17 61/440 01:17 your ratio is shit tho haha 01:17 i mean, better than mine 01:17 <@luxidream> hey I can streak 01:17 :P 01:17 i can't streak for shit 01:17 lol 01:17 <@luxidream> I just don't care between streaks 01:17 ah 01:17 i had 2 2-streaks and one 3-streak during tnnt 01:17 i am fine with that 01:17 i have a 2-streak once 01:18 by sheer luck more than anything else 01:18 its fun doing db lookups direclty in the psql shell 01:18 <@luxidream> yea when are we getting to do that 01:18 but i gotta implement some shit so other people can do custom queries 01:18 idk lux i have to code stuff 01:18 im obviously not just giving y'all direct db access :D 01:19 altho... 01:19 a read only db acct would probably be fine 01:19 <@luxidream> all the xlog data is public though 01:19 during tnnt i used curl and grep for statistics lol 01:19 curl -s https://eu.hardfought.org/xlogfiles/tnnt/xlogfile | grep 'name=stenno\s' | grep -oE 'role=(...)' | sort | uniq -c 01:19 thats what i mean lux 01:19 still, most people would probably rather have a nice interface 01:19 than a thing for raw db lookups 01:20 aoei: have i mentioned graphql? 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:57076 01:20 i dont think so 01:20 i am sure its the right tool 01:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7084 01:20 for user-defined queries 01:20 stenno: elaborate please 01:21 graphql is a query language, your backend has a single endpoint and you compose the queries in the frontend 01:21 and then backend then transforms the graphql query to, say postgres sql queries 01:22 https://www.graphile.org/postgraphile/introduction/ 01:22 I see 01:22 it has a bit of a learning curve 01:22 thats ok, learning is fun 01:22 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:22 learning is one of my all time favourite things 01:23 yeah, learning is awesome, but it can also be a bit frustrating 01:23 if i was in my little pony i would be twilight sparkle 01:23 https://graphql.org/learn/ 01:23 bc learning is magic 01:23 ok, i dont know about MLP 01:23 omg how do you not 01:23 it is really not my kind of thing 01:23 tbh i didnt watch it in years 01:23 but it was so popuolar a while back lol 01:24 also i got kinda corrupted by super creepy /b/tard neckbeards 01:25 you got corrupted by super creepy /b/tard neckbeards, or you are a super creepy /b/tard neckbeard? :D 01:25 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 01:25 there was a time where i would hang out on /b/ quite a bit but i never really got that much into it 01:25 huhnuhwhabuh? 01:25 oh 01:26 stenno: but i assume you meant to write "it got corrupted by", or? 01:26 phew, i can kill giant spiders with magic missile 01:26 thats goods 01:26 aoei: my impression of MLP got corrupted 01:26 is it? 01:26 lol ok i see 01:26 killing spiders with magic missile? yeah its pretty good 01:26 the giant ones i mean 01:26 <@luxidream> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pAoDgCF-feg 01:26 they're good at killing wizards if they get too close 01:27 /b/ changed so much, nowadays its really a hotbed of nazi trolls and incels 01:27 wait 01:27 so i am not there anymore 01:27 wasn't it always 01:27 /b/ and /pol/ 01:27 eeh 01:27 wouldn't say so 01:27 wtf did i just watch luxidream? 01:27 at least i didn't have the impression 01:28 <@luxidream> guy throwing pool noodles at a giant enemy spider 01:28 i used to be on /b/ as a teen a bit, but it was *always* awful afaicr 01:28 it was always awful, but it wasn't really leaning to the right that much 01:28 ah ok thanks lux that makes all perfect sense now 01:28 stenno: oic 01:28 giant enemy grab 01:28 you have to attack its weak points for maximum damage 01:29 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fMfapDlm9UY 01:29 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 01:29 ohhhh shit 01:29 now i realise one reason im getting low on hp so much 01:29 every time i use the wall bounce to do double damage to monsters 01:29 the magic missile ray also hits me 01:30 and CoMR is no longer complete protection 01:30 only "some missiles bounce off" 01:30 er what? 01:30 in 3.7? 01:30 xnh 01:30 ah 01:30 phew 01:30 i think thats whats happening 01:30 actually thats probably a sensible nerf 01:30 aoei: /b/ was always awful but not in the explicitly right-wing sense 01:30 nooooo 01:30 lot of that is the result of the Occupy fallout 01:30 gold goldem got me :c 01:30 [hdf-eu] [xnh] aoei (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4355 points, T:2346, killed by a gold golem 01:30 rip 01:30 i almost found sokoban 01:31 beholder savage 01:31 lol 01:31 check got cashed huh 01:31 :c 01:31 time to start over i guess 01:31 hmm so do i want to get crowned as tourist 01:31 i don't think so 01:31 i want grayswandir 01:31 ya get Grays 01:32 theism sucks anyway play atheist wish for Grays 01:32 atheist eh 01:32 do iiiit 01:32 do atheist vegan 01:32 and ascend faster than i did it 01:32 how fast? 01:32 i think my atheist vegan tou was 17.5k 01:32 k 01:32 hmm 01:32 you can totally beat that 01:32 17.5k is slow as hell 01:32 no worries 01:32 that was tnnt tho, you playing 3.7.0 now yeah? 01:33 yah 01:33 this tnnt? 01:33 nice 01:33 yeah 01:33 neat 01:33 my only non-wiz asc lol 01:33 i ascended 3 wizards and one tou 01:33 i don't have any impressive ascensions this year 01:33 i also beat my 366 gametime pr twice 01:33 first with the 9001 turn game and then with the 6256 turn game 01:33 can't really compete in any category anymore because there is always someone better 01:33 neat 01:34 based on records BilldaCat is better than me 01:34 but i still competed for the category 01:34 i assume lots of 'over 9000' jokes were had 01:34 i think aosdict made one maybe lol 01:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2037 01:34 someone definitely made that joke 01:34 i cannot win under 10k turns, and i also cannot win under 2h 01:34 you can with some training! 01:34 maybe i should try conducts instead, that is probably much more relaxing 01:35 just got to get good ;) 01:35 yeah yeah 01:35 i had a break of 4 years 01:35 <@luxidream> even with wow stenno? 01:35 forgot a lot 01:35 <@luxidream> :p 01:35 not even with wow, no 01:35 my breaks are getting shorter and shorter though 01:36 so maybe at some point i can make a proper RTA in one session in sub-3h 01:36 that would be my first goal 01:36 <@luxidream> you had like 3h2 this tourney 01:36 <@luxidream> on a knight iirc 01:36 <@luxidream> and knights are really bad 01:36 oh wow yeah 3h is pretty nice 01:37 <@luxidream> so you can absolutely get sub 3 01:37 my fastest ever (nh343) was a valk 01:37 i did it in just under 4h 01:37 yeah i guess if i try 01:37 like 3h58m or something 01:37 i noticed that nowadays i really take my time in teh midgame lol 01:37 maybe i can improve on that at some point, if i practice realtime techniques 01:37 overpreparing 01:37 i tend to waste a lot of time pondering strats midgame 01:37 or getting anxious etc. 01:37 and then ascend with like 30 scrolls and 20 pots in the bag 01:37 or obsesively price IDing loads of things that dont matter 01:37 like, i've identified loads of ways i could go faster if i tried 01:38 but typically im taking 8-12h for a single game lol 01:38 speedrunning nethack (realtime) is really super demanding 01:38 lux u got any good tips for realtime speed 01:38 you have to stay focused for a very long time 01:38 ? 01:38 and each error might ruin the run 01:38 stenno: right yeah 01:38 <@luxidream> use fast travel a lot obviously 01:38 its also really difficult with a jittery lag 01:39 @Luxidream 'get crowned early' :P 01:39 yeah makes sense 01:39 @ the fast travel thing 01:39 <@luxidream> crowning is really conservative 01:39 <@luxidream> fastest speedruns obviously won't do it 01:39 <@luxidream> but it's great for being totally brain dead 01:39 various gametime techniques help you save time for realtime runs too 01:39 i don't wanna just mines -> pickaxe -> dfv 01:40 but if im going flat out for gametime i want to stop and think, and plan a lot 01:40 <@luxidream> you can do soko and mines end and everything in the game and finish sub 2h 01:40 soko takes about 15 minutes 01:40 magic mapping and spamming ^T on the asc run will save a lot of time both in real and ingame 01:41 soko takes me ages lmao i need to work on my soko speed 01:41 i definitely haven't done that in only 15 min ever 01:41 if you get earlywish sdsm imo its justified to just grab the resources of soko 1 (and 2 if possible) 01:41 <@luxidream> I've done soko in five minutes, but it usually takes me closer to ten 01:41 SoM is not a thing anymore unforuntaly 01:41 FIVE MINUTES 01:41 wtf 01:41 lmao 01:41 i have one soko _so often_ 01:41 how 01:41 maybe i should check time 01:42 but its weird now with flipped lol 01:42 also stealth helps with the zoo 01:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2878 01:42 ok gonna pause wizscumming for a bit 01:42 and see how fast i can play realtime barb 01:42 imma start my tourist 01:43 try to go flat out and hope not to splat 01:43 i am thinking about vegan at least 01:43 <@luxidream> a trick: you don't actually have to complete soko 1 01:43 and not think too much about strats etc 01:43 <@luxidream> it has pits and not holes 01:43 luxidream, duh :P 01:43 but it'll take ages to climb out of them all and you lose hp each time you fall in one 01:43 <@luxidream> some people don't realize that lol 01:43 i imagine you dont climb through all of them 01:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Rhizotomist, on T:2935 01:43 <@luxidream> no not all of them 01:43 maybe fill half then climb the rest+ 01:44 or what 01:44 with my knight i had to soko 1 complete becasue i was riding lol 01:44 riding is super awesome btw 01:44 you are so fast 01:44 yeah its cool 01:44 its like speed boots or even faster 01:44 probably faster 01:44 after the pony levels up 01:44 stenno: im wondering if i can use that with wiz polyself 01:44 <@luxidream> horse is the only thing good about knight besides excal 01:44 warhorse is speed 24 01:44 and has a high carrying cap 01:44 and can cast 01:44 so it might be a cool travel form lol 01:45 <@luxidream> with infinite resources maybe 01:45 you just have to be naked im not sure you can wear anything 01:45 horse is _insane_ becasue you start with apples and carrots 01:45 ah but then you have to choose 1: MR or reflection 01:45 so you can rob _all_ the shops 01:45 either you wear the Eye 01:45 or you wear "oR 01:45 you can't have both 01:46 you can just take whatever is there 01:46 polyself into hasted warhorse? 01:46 maybe get crowned and poly into warhorse with 01:46 yeah hasted would be even better 01:46 dunno if you can haste youreslf 01:46 you can because you can still cast in horse form 01:46 just cast haste self 01:46 ah h 01:46 then its like speed 24 and having speed boots 01:46 why not just air E? 01:46 tho you need to re-cast etc 01:47 air E has some disadvantages 01:47 or rather what is the advantage over air E? 01:47 air E i think cant cast 01:47 <@luxidream> they can see 01:47 * stenno polyself noob 01:47 ooh 01:47 oh lol 01:47 oh yeah i was gnona say 01:47 air E also blind 01:47 its ok if you have telepathy tho 01:47 or sorta ok 01:47 <@luxidream> so great for tas where you know everything already 01:47 but you can't cast det mon 01:47 <@luxidream> not so great in practice 01:47 yeah its a classic for tas 01:48 would be interesting to try asc run in warhorse form lol 01:48 mmf was a classic human-player monster to polyself into 01:48 still is 01:48 mmf is a big favourite 01:48 now everything is different with the force nerf 01:48 <@luxidream> plenty useful in realtime too stenno 01:48 mmmm 01:48 i really have to learn it :/ 01:48 <@luxidream> it's very risky of course, but way too powerful to not use 01:49 not that much to learn, just practice 01:49 yeah the main risk is bold yellow c 01:49 i am getting scared when i have polykit lol 01:49 you will learn to shit your pants whenever you see one 01:49 <@luxidream> yea you need a good reaction time 01:49 <@luxidream> or life saving 01:49 i also lost my best tnnt gametime run to that 01:49 <@luxidream> :V 01:49 you poly back in the wrong moment 01:49 surrounded by monsters 01:49 because the damn c was right outside the sanctum door 01:49 and i didnt see it til i was next to it 01:49 the randomness about the duration is the worst thing for me 01:49 but i sent two movement commands at once basically 01:50 <@luxidream> aoei: before I won 9530 I had a couple runs that were like 4k-5k quest 01:50 but unchanging is also too dangerous 01:50 <@luxidream> both cockatriced 01:50 luxidream: F 01:50 <@luxidream> had to settle for the worse time because I was too tilted 01:50 i used xorn polyself in rogue quest lol 01:50 im still proud of that run even tho i died, it was my fastest ever quest arti get, sanctum, "oY get, etc. 01:50 got all the milestones faster than i ever had before 01:50 <@luxidream> how many wows did you get 01:50 including in 343 01:50 <@luxidream> over the whole tourney 01:50 just the castle WoW 01:51 oh 01:51 <@luxidream> like floor ones 01:51 hm i got a couple 01:51 there was a valley one 01:51 a room1 WoW 01:51 and a soko1 WoW 01:51 <@luxidream> hm 01:51 but then i got fuck all for ages annoyingly 01:51 <@luxidream> I guess the scumming was not very fruitful then 01:51 i had like a week at the end of straight scumming with no WoW 01:52 i dont think BilldaCat actually got loads either tho 01:52 not sure 01:52 but then i scummed way more 01:52 <@luxidream> well he got a couple 01:52 wait you _actually_ scummed for starting room wow? 01:52 stenno: no i scummed more broadly than that 01:52 insane meta :D 01:52 ok 01:52 but one game i happened to find a room 1 wow 01:52 i guess tonal, part of polykit 01:52 <@luxidream> billda was also doing that I think 01:52 ring better than /oPoly? 01:52 20 int 01:53 (assuming elf wiz) 01:53 stenno: in the beginning i was scumming for half polykit start and tonal 01:53 but when i saw billda was scumming for early WoWs and digging wand start i switched to that 01:53 what spellbooks? ID, healing 01:53 who cares 01:53 hah 01:53 you can't scum too specifically or it'll take forever 01:53 ?oCharging, ?oScareMon 01:53 oh magic marker of course 01:53 no no no and no 01:53 can you start with tonal AND magic marker? 01:53 you can 01:53 my script *can* attempt to scum for all those things 01:54 but for wowscumming you don't care 01:54 figures 01:54 just start with a digging wand and dig down 01:54 check soko1 01:54 aah i see 01:54 or random shop wands etc. 01:54 also check first room wand if there is one 01:54 sometimes you autopickup one on the stairs 01:54 thats how he got a t:1 wow 01:55 its amazing that someone repeated chriss67 achievement 01:55 <@luxidream> i don't know how much I like it 01:55 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:55 <@luxidream> do I need to fire up the scummer to compete next year? 01:55 <@luxidream> feel like it's not very fun 01:55 during 3.4.3 days one used to bones-stuff 01:56 <@luxidream> can't you still do that? 01:56 unfortunately lux without scumming you wont have a very good shot against me and bill 01:56 you can bones stuff sure 01:56 man i miss nht (and maud of course) 01:56 you just can't pudding farm for the stuffing 01:56 also you are not as guaranteed to get the bones due to pooling 01:56 meh nht was boring he didn't come on irc for trashtalk, just beat my 2013 gametime out of nowhere on Nov 28 01:56 huh? 01:56 this year? 01:57 oh in 2013 you mean? 01:57 yeah 01:57 <@luxidream> for realtime I think it would be pretty trivial to ascend <30 min with properly stuffed bones 01:57 that was the devnull year i tried to go for gametime 01:57 <@luxidream> wonder why no one has ever done it 01:57 and got like 6190 turns 01:57 @luxidream well, we can try it out 01:57 get a stuffing team together 01:58 maud was cool tho 01:58 leave dl 4 bones 01:58 i dont like watching ttyrecs but i watched a couple and learned strats from him 01:58 he liked to use mino and jabberwock form etc. 01:58 i watched maud and nht too 01:58 yeah 01:58 which i also find fun 01:58 altho its more difficult now casting nerf 01:58 boo 01:58 whats that? 01:58 cant cast as mino, nor jabberwock 01:58 nor anything else that can't talk 01:58 ah i see 01:59 well actually no, "talking" isnt even necessary 01:59 so that further rules out air E 01:59 horses can't talk 01:59 but they can cast 01:59 vocalizing? 01:59 lux explained earlier it's m_silent flag plus a copule of other checks 01:59 hmm 01:59 verbalize was the word 01:59 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 96379 points, T:13529, killed by a wand 01:59 i was looking for 01:59 hmm hmm 01:59 bees and jabberwocks aren't actually silent 01:59 but they're hardcoded to not be allowed to cast anyway 02:00 they buzz and burble and that's for some reason not good enough 02:00 if only queen bee had carry cap of nymph :P 02:00 i think queen bee has also been used for nh343 tas 02:00 well yeah for tas lol 02:01 still not sure about my tourist and possible conducts 02:01 maybe just illit 02:02 fair 02:02 could do vegan but then i'd need to get crowned after Grays 02:03 you dont neeeed to get crowned :P 02:03 it really depends on artiwishes i think lol 02:03 yeah 02:03 sometimes I'll decide on strats if and when i get an minetown wish for Grays/other artifact 02:03 thats also how i won my 19k illit valk (3.4.3 WR) 02:03 or othe rearly wish 02:03 got 3 artiwishes 02:03 nice 02:03 or rather, 2 after exca generated 02:04 but first wish should still be DSM i think 02:04 imagine going grays and then not finding an altar 02:04 co-aligned altar for crowning 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:13741 02:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4668 02:05 tou could get crowned earlier becasue they can wish for OOF 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Orc Fem Cha) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3511 02:06 which acts as luckstone 02:06 hm i will jsut start a tou and see what happens 02:07 <@luxidream> could I run scum script in background while playing on another account/server? 02:07 damn, didn't start with tripe 02:09 <@luxidream> i feel like regarding the tournament it goes a little far in "cybernetically enhancing a human clan" 02:09 <@luxidream> as the rules put it 02:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3606 02:11 i mean i did scripted scumming 02:11 its really difficult to recognize 02:11 and all the organisers knew i was doing it and told me its fine 02:12 like how would you differenciate between manual startscumming and automated startscumming 02:12 i think the intent is to disallow actual bots that play the game by themselve 02:12 <@luxidream> scumming on one server while actually playing on another server 02:12 <@luxidream> returning to the scummed game when a wow is found 02:12 which means we shouldn't really allow this Google AlphaHack AI codenamed luxidream to play at all 02:13 i can understand how it is problematic 02:13 i sometimes scummed on US while playing on another server <.< 02:13 i thought about simultaneously scumming on all three but didnt quite go that far 02:15 <@luxidream> Yeah, I don't think that's very fair but I don't know how you would enforce it 02:18 <@luxidream> I would argue that anything that evaluates the game state without the player probably should be banned 02:18 <@luxidream> so this would exclude manual scumming, paste macros 02:19 raise it in your survey response or in #tnnt-dev 02:19 as much as i like auto scum i may feel morally obliged to support you in this suggestion tbh 02:20 <@luxidream> alright I'll bring it up sometime when more people are awake 02:20 ๐Ÿ‘ 02:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:6010 02:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1551 02:22 luxidream: stopping players playing on more than one server at once would be easier to enforce, though 02:23 that would at least nerf some of the OP effects of automated scumming 02:24 oh god dammit 02:24 accidentally attacked a peaceful monkey 02:24 because of course _THAT ONE_ had to be peceful 02:25 ... 02:25 and now the guard will stomp me 02:25 does that matter though? 02:25 yes 02:25 wait since when does the guard get annoyed at you killing peaceful monkeys 02:25 now minetown guard is angry 02:25 3.6.5 or so 02:25 wtf i didnt realise that was a thing 02:25 ugh 02:25 annoying 02:25 mannn 02:25 magic lamp 02:25 ooo 02:25 i don't wanna ie 02:25 wish for grays!! 02:25 you cant die if you have grays 02:25 i will be dead 02:26 guard is adjacent to me 02:26 oh i can blind him with the camera lol 02:27 monkey stole my darts.... 02:27 cross-aligned altar 02:27 noooo dont steal the darts 02:27 uncursed magic lap 02:27 stupid fucking monkeys 02:28 lol but i can escape 02:28 yep 02:31 wonder what my ammy is 02:31 not esp 02:32 T:2336 AC:-6 02:32 my gear is a bit insane lol 02:32 now found [oRefl 02:32 nice 02:35 GoP 02:35 =oConflict 02:35 still no PR though 02:35 so death might just be around the corner 02:36 second magic lamp lol 02:36 is this even real life 02:37 -!- snes-nh has joined #hardfought 02:38 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 02:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a white unicorn corpse, on T:3507 02:39 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 02:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:58024 02:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7132 02:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4255 02:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16620 02:45 stenno: BOSS 02:45 WINNING 02:45 lol 02:45 gogoog 02:45 <3 02:45 its just the insanest start ever 02:45 nice nice nice 02:45 -!- AlbertB has joined #hardfought 02:45 its not even fair 02:46 Hi, I just nuked my config file for 3.7.0 on eu server. I just wanted to copy eu config to us but was logged in to the wrong server and seemingly copying from eu to eu nukes the file :-( 02:46 Is there some backup / restore option? 02:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Sergeant, on T:7940 02:48 3rd magic lamp 02:49 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 fixed speed boots", on T:15784 02:50 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) attained the rank of Knight of Power, on T:90205 02:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Famine, on T:58051 02:54 stenno: booya 02:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] lunatunez (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 98 points, T:418, killed by a water moccasin 02:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) put the invisible Death down for a little nap, on T:58104 02:57 The Woodland-elf puts on an oval amulet. 02:57 reflectobn 02:57 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:57 was hoping for bag 02:59 Piss 02:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:6771 02:59 now i don't need the [oRefl anymore and can go unihorn 03:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:9879 03:02 wonder if i should just go to minetown again and murder the watch lol 03:02 how is that with penalties? 03:02 meh, never mind 03:02 imma look for an altar in the DoD 03:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law), 18277 points, T:9908, killed by a fire ant 03:04 there is a boh in minetown 03:05 altar get 03:05 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) murdered Friv, her faithful vorpal jabberwock, on T:90542 03:05 speed boots.. 03:06 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:90545 03:06 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:90546 03:06 * stenno thinks about wishless lol 03:08 [hdf-eu] [nh343] Raisse (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 122519 points, T:19214, killed by a lieutenant 03:09 F 03:09 !lastgame raisse 03:09 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nh343/dumplog/1530273039.nh343.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nh343/dumplog/1606939886.nh343.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/R/Raisse/nh343/dumplog/1529988042.nh343.txt 03:09 shouldn't have gone to ludios yet, couldn't get to the portal in time 03:09 Neko-chan: y u kill frivs 03:09 Unfortunate 03:09 No reflection, or something else go wrong? 03:10 are you asking me? that was sheer one-more-hit syndrome 03:10 please don't question my choices, that makes me play even worse because I get insecure 03:11 I zapped them with a wand of death unintentionally while trying to kill the wizard of yendor 03:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 3562954 points, T:58132, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1604644257.nh.html 03:13 GG! 03:13 raisse: don't take it personally, I've totally done that sort of thing before 03:14 I can relate 03:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:8301 03:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 Grayswandir", on T:8302 03:15 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinatrix, on T:8832 03:20 Realizing I know actually nothing about splicehack's ascension run, which is probably not good since I'm like about to get the amulet 03:20 I feel like I self-sabotage a lot of runs without realizing it by taking forever to overprepare though so maybe I should just do it 03:21 AlbertB: Is your 3.6.x worth anything? 03:21 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:24 the planes are longer Neko-chan but I've not done them to know how much harder that makes them 03:25 amateurhour: yeah there are like two of each plane, or a riff on each one or something 03:25 honestly I just need this run to be over cause I've been hyperfixating so hard and I need to like 03:25 do the dishes 03:25 I'd be interested to hear what they're like 03:26 you can always take a break to do the dishes :P 03:26 apparently all the demon princes will spawn too so I'll get to live the dream and joust the demogorgon 03:26 does your brain actually work like that? mine doesn't lol 03:27 mood 03:28 haha I guess mine doesn't either thinking about it 03:28 mobileuser is always taking breaks to do the dishes, maybe they're a unicorn 03:29 huh?! 03:30 you've definitely paused mid ascension run to do the dishes 03:31 yeah, I don't see the connection yet to unicorns :b 03:31 haha, it's a saying meaning like rare and unique 03:31 ah :-) 03:31 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:91062 03:32 hmm 03:32 does telepathy time out in 3.7? 03:32 I can recommend doing the dishes to calm down ;-) 03:32 like from a floating eye stenno? 03:32 Neko-chan: yeah 03:33 Did you use skilled detect monsters or blessed potion of monster detection at any point 03:33 nope, but you can lose it from murder 03:33 aah 03:35 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 03:36 [hdf-us] [evil] BoisterousSloth (Wiz Ith Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:54134 03:36 my entire astral plane plan right now is "well I have an amulet of magical breathing and uh, a scroll of gold detection" 03:36 <@luxidream> might want more than that 03:37 are there shops in the splicehack endgame? 03:37 Imagine shops being important in endgame 03:38 (not sarcasm, I genuinely wanna know what that'd be like 03:38 :B ) 03:38 <@luxidream> city of brass is an endgame area 03:38 oo 03:38 <@luxidream> I didn't stick around long enough to look at it at all 03:39 <@luxidream> but it has tons of shops and loot 03:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:11109 03:41 <@luxidream> if there was a guaranteed wish or something I could see sticking around long enough to explore it 03:43 Kontroll1r: 3.6 might be better than nothing 03:45 AlbertB: Yeah, I thought, if you did only adjust few things from 3.6.x to 3.7.0 then it could be prudent to use just 3.6.x and make those few adjustments again. 03:47 [hdf-au] [ndnh] PeachMuffin (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2715 points, T:1567, killed by a horse 03:55 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:91337 03:56 gee thanks luxi, I was kinda joking, but also there isn't exactly a ton of info out there 03:57 Kontroll1r: I did some more adjustments. I am sure that I have the config file somewhere. I'll search on some more systems 03:57 Pssssssst 03:57 any changes to the statue of Perseus in 3.7 so far? 04:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of levitation", on T:12441 04:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:12534 04:02 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:02 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 04:06 Taking that as a no 04:06 !wiki 04:06 huh thought that'd be a real command 04:07 It has its own channel 04:07 #nethackwiki 04:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:12940 04:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed ring of teleport control", on T:12944 04:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +5 cloak of protection", on T:12945 04:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Traveler, on T:12949 04:24 shops in the endgame might be like airport shops, only sell things you might need on the journey and forgot to bring 04:24 as well as overpriced snacks and souvenirs 04:24 "a tin of Wizard of Yendor meat, 1600 zorkmids" 04:25 [hdf-eu] [fh] Question (OmNyomNyom) (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the wizard of Eiklon, the former Conjurer, on T:21330 04:27 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 04:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:14167 04:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:14168 04:28 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1535 points, T:1110, killed by a piranha 04:31 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 04:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 445 points, T:587, killed by a rothe 04:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] zhakupov (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:29273 04:33 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1700 04:34 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1002 points, T:1882, killed by a boulder 04:42 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:44 AlbertB: confirmed. copying a config file onto itself nukes the file. 04:45 so... I guess don't do that. 04:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14846 04:47 You'd think it would be easy to check if the source and destination are the same and just not do it... 04:48 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Sam Swn Fem Law) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1085 04:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 uncursed genocide", on T:14882 04:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2340 04:51 AlbertB: Anyway, your rc file is gone. I'll see if there's stuff we can do to stop that happening again. 04:53 amateurhour: !wiki is not a thing. Pull requests are welcome. 04:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:2612 04:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:15115 04:54 lol RIP my ghost 04:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:15297 04:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:15298 04:59 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Sam Swn Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:2040 05:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:15876 05:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Cav Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1206 05:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:15897 05:08 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Sam Swn Fem Law) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:3232 05:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:15909 05:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2488 points, T:2897, killed by Grouchy's ghost 05:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:15945 05:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:16154 05:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:16219 05:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:37128 05:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:16220 05:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:16229 05:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:16336 05:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:16338 05:23 Has anyone seen an issue with 3.7.0 where the downstairs don't work? 05:23 only thing i saw was that they had alternating colors once 05:24 like, they are hilighted, you go down, you go up again, they are not hilighted anymore 05:24 i think that was fixed yesteray or so 05:24 Yeah I saw that the other day too. 05:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "magic marker", on T:16602 05:25 I just have a particular level (it's the oracle level, and it's bones), where the downstairs just wastes a turn when you try to go down (like pressing '.' instead of '>') 05:26 Tangles: Kontroll1r had an issue with 3.7.0 where items falling down stairs disappeared 05:26 Tangles: Besides the highlighting thing, stairs seem to "vanish" items. 05:26 Hmm. 05:27 Tangles: I let some items fall, from comestibles to tools, whatever. Some items fell onto the stairs, some fell down. Those which fell down seem to disappear entirely. 05:27 I wonder if fixing the highlighting thing has broken something else - this is a bones level, so maybe something was changed to make it not compatible. 05:28 I played a knight, was riding my pony, if that's of any importance. 05:28 hmm ok. 05:28 Was at the downstairs and used D to drop off items. 05:30 Once I let fall a "large box" with some items in it. The box fell down, yet there was no box when I descended the stairs, and I just got a "fell down the stairs"-like message, but nothing about shattering potions or anything else. 05:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 99 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:17058 05:31 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:17329 05:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:17353 05:36 Tangles: it's a bug that affects bones, got a report about it yesterday evening 05:36 Kontroll1r: that bug has been fixed in dev, will be fixed whenever hardfought is updated 05:38 Kontroll1r: and the items don't vanish they're just in wrong location. a typo on my part, setting the object x coordinate twice, isntead of setting x and y. 05:38 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 05:39 paxed: I have already been on a mission to locate those items just in case they would be merely misplaced. But if it's going to get fixed by next update anyway, I don't need to do that, I guess. ;) 05:39 Nice! thanks paxed :) 05:40 Indeed. Thanks! :) 05:40 Kontroll1r: obj detection. the items probably ended up in stone. 05:40 Didn't have object detection at the time. ;) 05:40 Tangles: haven't yet fixed that bug, won't have time to look into it until this weekend 05:41 I let fall like 10 darts, 9 gold pieces plus some other things, and indeed I found 1 dart and 2 and 3 gold pieces. 05:41 paxed: All good. I can probably find a way to dig past it (or I'll just die - seems to be the way of things lately). 05:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:17636 05:42 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 05:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 1891 points, T:4106, killed by a rothe 05:49 problem solved 05:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:18452 05:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1816 05:50 ... and exited right away. :D 05:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:18457 05:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given the Marauder's Map, on T:11334 05:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:18567 05:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:18630 05:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:18639 05:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1345536 points, T:18654, ascended 05:55 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1606979198.nh.html 05:56 ok that was the best early game i ever had probably lol 05:56 oh you also ascended fairly fast 05:56 what was your realtime? 05:57 3 hours 05:57 i guess 05:57 not bad 05:57 3h15 or so 05:57 eeh 05:57 yeah 05:57 i guess 05:57 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful kitten, on T:815 05:58 smh my head that's soooo slow 05:58 i didn't dare to speedrun or do funky conducts lol 05:59 only 4 magic lamps, eary speed boots, early reflection, early boh, early gop, early =oConflict 05:59 i mean 05:59 3h15 is pretty bangin imo 05:59 my personal record is like 3h58m im quite proud of that 05:59 idk how the hell i did it 06:00 -!- star_cloud has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:00 hey and its a streak, ncie 06:00 sweet 06:01 ah 3h46 lol 06:01 worse than anticipated 06:02 my fastest ever was still over 6h lol, I wonder where I'm wasting the most time 06:03 so this is knight and tourist 06:03 so now monk or sam 06:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 870 points, T:1468, killed by a rock mole 06:05 or maybe something else 06:09 Sam, Tou, Dwa-Arc, Dwa-Cav, Dwa-Val, Orc-Bar, Orc-Ran, Orc-Rog, Orc-Wiz, Elf-Pri, Gno-Hea 06:09 those are the combos left 06:09 should i go orc-bar, dwa-valk for 4-streak >_> 06:09 maybe not 06:10 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Mon Hum Mal Law), 694 points, T:655, killed by a dwarf 06:10 guess i should continue with the more difficult ones, so dwa-arc, orc-rog, elf-pri 06:10 orc-ran 06:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:11944 06:10 what makes those harder? 06:11 for me personally they are squishy in the early game 06:11 nice one stenno! sub-20k tou is not easy. 06:11 I think I did a couple of dwarven arcs in the past and they seemed fine 06:11 thanks! i got _extremely_ lucky 06:11 in tnnt, i ascended dwa arc on first try, but i got a really really good protection racket 06:12 yeah 06:14 i am so much enjoying the new ascension run 06:14 it is so so much better 06:14 no frustration 06:14 feels awesome 06:14 3.7 is great 06:14 yes! 06:15 best version yet imo, would be even better without sokobad 06:15 unihorn nerf is surprisingly unnoticable 06:15 being able to teleport around in the demon lairs is awesome too 06:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Cav Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3550 06:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3550 06:16 i am fine with the flipped levels, as you know 06:16 i think its a good way to bring some variety into fixed maps 06:16 good and simple 06:17 oh i could have used scroll of amnesia for reskilling i guess 06:17 codewise it was a bit of a bitch 06:17 really? how come? 06:17 I know the flipped things from unnethack 06:17 so many corner cases when flipping levels 06:18 which corner casese? 06:19 like ball and chain 06:19 also 3.7 doesn't flip the "outside" part of the level 06:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:61234 06:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] Tangles (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1439 points, T:881, killed by an arrow 06:20 and wizmode level flipping on the fly 06:20 oh yeh that sounds complex 06:21 like on level load, or even after level load? 06:21 I like the flipped special levels, just not sokoban 06:21 i guess on level load 06:21 stenno: there's extended command #wizfliplevel 06:21 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:61278 06:22 K2: Idea for evil: Every time you "swap" position with a peaceful, you reduce their tameness. 06:22 oh damn so its actually after level creation, on demand 06:23 stenno: helped find out bugs when fuzzing 06:23 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:38335 06:23 right, makes sense 06:23 paxed I have an idea for something for the fuzzer, periodically replacing the player's carried, wielded, and worn items with random items 06:24 do you think it'd be a useful idea? in dnh for example there's lots of weird interactions with items that's sometimes hard to spot when fuzzing 06:24 amateurhour: i'd rather not add any more core code for the fuzzer; i've been thinking of adding a lua hook for it to call a function 06:24 amateurhour: just not enough hours to do everything 06:25 the fact that the watch gets angry if a peaceful monster gets attacked in minetown, is something that really makes sense, even though it almost cost me my last game :D 06:25 it always felt a bit weird that the watch only really watches the fountains 06:25 that sounds like a neat and cleaner idea 06:26 I ported a 3.6 version of wizmakemap to dnh recently, such a useful tool 06:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Neu), 231564 points, T:12675, killed by a bullet 06:28 can't wait to see what other new cool stuff comes in 3.7, the things i have seen so far are really, really good 06:28 quite a bit stolen from xNetHack ... :P 06:30 when will aosdict join the devteam :D 06:30 I wonder whether there'll be new dungeon branches or things like that 06:31 amateurhour: unlikely 06:31 well i would like to see sheol but that probably wont happen 06:33 i didn't see any displacer beasts or maybe i just didn't notice 06:34 the intrinsic displacement is possibly too short for them anyway 06:35 or maybe I just don't have the imagination to see where it could be useful 06:36 well displacement isn't bad 06:36 it's 6d6 turns though 06:36 but i think its more powerful in the early game 06:36 i wonder if it stacks? 06:36 but yeah that is not really that much 06:37 I guess not everything needs to be useful 06:37 well sure, 06:38 that statemetn is a bit of a cop-out (if that is the correct expression) :P 06:38 yeah it's the right expression 06:40 also i disagree, i think its the beauty of nethack that virtually everything is useful in specific situations 06:40 especially now after the amnesia change 06:40 iron chain 06:41 yeah 06:42 -!- AlbertB has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:43 it would be nice to have uses for iron chain 06:44 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a rabid rat, on T:3169 06:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Cav Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3588 06:58 maybe you have to apply an iron chain in melee, and if its successful the monster will be trapped for a few turns? 06:58 apply it against the monster 06:59 <@Sceptross> How about using them to grab items from afar? 07:00 well that already exit 07:00 exists 07:00 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Grappling_hook 07:00 <@Sceptross> Yeah, and it's 4 times lighter 07:07 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Law), 12344 points, T:4559, killed by a leocrotta 07:08 hmm i should play the roles that i have least ascended yet 07:08 so that would be arc, cav, rog 07:09 so its dwa-arc 07:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Hum Mal Law) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:61284 07:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 4038 points, T:4654, killed by a land mine 07:13 stenno: flipping levels is implemented as working on a loaded level so making it a wizmode command could already build on that but as usual, there are always implementation details that surface in such cases 07:15 i think i am too dev-noob to understand all the details :D 07:15 for me as a layperson it seemed trivial, but apparently its quite complex 07:22 in principle, it IS trivial 07:23 but not in practice? :P 07:23 you just need to apply the flipping on every x,y coordinate in the data 07:23 finding them is the problem :-) 07:24 hm, what do you mean with that? 07:24 i'd assume that at some point you have a twodimensional map object 07:24 for example, a pre-3.6 bug that caused spurious crashes was long worm segments for long worms that were generated when loading the levels. the segments weren't flipped. long worms generated later were fine of course 07:25 the map is easy. but remember there are lots of linked lists in the code. 07:25 with objects that have their own x,y coordinates 07:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:839 07:25 but why does the long worm even care about if the map is flippe or not 07:25 isn't it flipped before monsters are generated/ 07:26 no. as I said, it is flipped after the whole level was generated. 07:26 i think i am approaching this a bit too naive 07:26 if you flip the map, you only have flipped the map. no objects, no monsters. 07:26 no flipped sokoban when? 07:26 ^ 07:27 sokoban generator when? 07:27 gonna put my kid on the bus, when i come back, sokoban better not be flipped 07:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law), 652 points, T:1307, killed by a wand 07:27 there is no function that will get you in one call what is at x,y. you need to call trap_at(x,y), monster_at(x,y), etc. 07:27 >.< 07:29 K2: go buy some smokes 07:29 I love those fliprotatedwhatevered sokoban levels btw. :) 07:29 boooo 07:29 hissssss 07:29 deki: do you know the paper that ais523 made about soko generation? 07:29 Kontroll1r: high five! 07:30 boooooooooo 07:30 stenno: no. where is it? 07:30 sec 07:30 amateurhour: but it's like 4x the levels, how could you boo that /s 07:30 generating soko levels is relatively easy, when compared to generating _interesting_ soko levels 07:31 amateurhour: Well, you don't need to bother anyway, just leave sokoban behind if you don't like it. :P 07:31 deki: https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/55gha2/procedurally_generating_sokoban_levels/ 07:31 stenno: awesome, thanks :) 07:31 I like sokoban puzzles, I just don't like the flipped ones, would rather have new puzzles or generated ones 07:31 Just think of the "flipped" ones as new ones. 07:31 no because it's similar enough to hurt the brain 07:32 flipped 2a in particular can die in a fire 07:32 flipped 2a is insane lol 07:32 Kontroll1r: you have to tell that to K2. he's the one who's maintaining a list of people who like flipped sokoban 07:32 Maintaining it to what end? :> 07:33 providing it to Santa so you won't get any presents this year 07:33 xD 07:33 i like how it makes the brain hurt a bit 07:33 its still possible but you are forced to think a little bit about it 07:34 yes but some people like torture 07:34 maybe after we have done it dozens and dozens of times, we will get the same routine with it as we had with non-flipped soko 07:35 Just insert a second upstairs then, leading to a one-level Sokoban which presents you as a Sokoban Prize, let's say, a tin opener. 07:35 lol 07:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:62432 07:36 .oO(How about adding a KAtomics level? :D) 07:36 if you flip a bag of holding inside out what do you get? flipped sokoban should have a flipped reward 07:36 .oO(Or chess?) 07:36 nonironically wouldn't mind one of these instead of 4 small puzzles 07:36 https://0x0.st/i7Y7.png 07:37 is that from slex 07:37 Holy Moly 07:37 yeah that one is in slex, done it a few times 07:37 you can scatter rewards throughout it 07:37 Why not code a Sokoban variant with a nethack level in it? 07:37 so partial completion is rewarded with say wands and rings, or an altar or something 07:37 unnethack has one or two really evil ones 07:38 that big one is easy but time consuming to fully do, but quick to partially do 07:38 this one for example https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_1e 07:39 amateurhour: isn't that level the one that takes like 10k turns to complete 07:39 yeah 07:39 or longer than most ascensions 07:39 hm wait 07:40 maybe this one https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_3c 07:41 this is the unnethack one I struggle with the most: 07:41 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Sokoban_Level_3i 07:41 what list? its like 2 people 07:42 ah yeah 07:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Hum Mal Law) destroyed Death, on T:62569 07:45 slex has some evil variants of 2a as well 07:45 extra holes or boulders 07:45 had to follow Amy's guide for that one 07:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Tou Hum Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:1609 07:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Hum Mal Law) wished for "+2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:62612 07:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2025 points, T:2642, killed by an Uruk-hai, while praying 07:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Cav Hum Mal Cha), 4491504 points, T:62615, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/m/malor/dnethack/dumplog/1606789139.dnh.txt 07:49 gratz malor! 07:49 grats malor 07:54 [hdf-au] [dnh] em028 (Val Hum Fem Law), 3107 points, T:2154, killed by a gnome zombie 07:55 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 07:59 <@malor> thanks 07:59 <@malor> I finally realized that the caveman's sling is REALLY good. 07:59 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 08:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2113 08:04 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:07 <@based> nice dnh ascension! 08:09 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 08:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Wiz Vam Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:958 08:15 i wonder why my housecat doesn't want to attack this hobbit 08:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed karibou's ghost, the former Cutpurse, on T:1105 08:18 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:18 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 08:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor6 (Wiz Vam Mal Neu), 6799 points, T:1551, killed by a gnome, while fainted from lack of food 08:20 why are grid bugs purple and xans red? Usually purple are the toughest monsters. 08:22 -!- snes-nh has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:25971 08:23 -!- snes-nh has joined #hardfought 08:25 spleen: I image searched them and they look green. maybe it just amused someone to have the least deadliest monster be purple 08:25 training 'em early on that purple isn't anything special... 08:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:22099 08:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] zhakupov (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:30879 08:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Field Worker, on T:4741 08:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Rog Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a green dragon, on T:22235 08:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5153 08:32 I didn't think color correlation was that strong 08:33 Also aren't dwarf kings' and mindflayers' glyphs purple 08:33 yes they are. all the royal monsters are purple too 08:34 elvenkings 08:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:904 08:34 aosdict, that's probably right - it's a joke 08:34 ^ not sarcasm 08:37 [hdf-eu] [fh] Question (OmNyomNyom) (Ran Elf Fem Cha) killed the priestess of Owen, the former Acolyte, on T:26653 08:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed krm26 the human zombie, and former Conjurer, on T:2937 08:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2731 points, T:2939, zombified by a human zombie 08:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:40769 08:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Minetown, on T:2157 08:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:6905 08:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Jilvane (Sam Hum Mal Law), 2722 points, T:2648, killed by a gray unicorn 08:46 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Kni Hum Fem Cha) became literate by naming Sting, on T:962 08:47 man 08:47 there is an iron piercer behind a soko boulder 08:49 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Kni Hum Fem Cha) murdered her faithful pony, on T:1449 08:50 fuck that fucker i will jsut break the boulder now 08:51 no projectiles to toss? 08:51 i threw a lot of shit against it already 08:51 oh 08:51 fat RIP 08:51 i don't want to run back and forwards all the time getting new stuff 08:52 stenno: Why not just wait til ascension run then? 08:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 66257 points, T:22972, killed while stuck in creature form 08:52 for soko? 08:52 because i need my stuff 08:52 Sure. 08:52 You will have something to take out that obstacle, then. 08:53 yes, but on the ascension run i don't need the soko prize anymore 08:53 ugh my god is displeased in slex 08:54 stenno: It should be a matter of honor. :D 08:54 [hdf-us] [un] mobius (Val Dwa Fem Law), 5979 points, T:5967, killed by a magic missile 08:54 and my unihorn is gone as well 08:54 i have no honor 08:55 stenno have you done the previous soko floor? smash spare boulder and throw rocks 08:55 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Kni Hum Fem Cha), 850 points, T:1636, slain by a fox 08:55 too late 08:55 also it was not solved completely (1st floor) 09:00 You get like 2-3 extra boulders on there and it's early so 09:01 Umbire: if the level is solved, there is not luck penalty when smashing the boulders 09:01 I know 09:01 You mentioned it wasn't solved completely 09:02 i moved the boulders in unsolvable positions 09:02 thats what i meant 09:02 ah 09:02 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:02 well like I said it's early 09:02 and the first floor mongen is p. lenient, at worst you get baby drags 09:02 I think 09:03 i solved the situation about 10 minutes ago heh 09:03 <{Demo}> lmao today's advent of code looking like an arcadia forest level from dnh 09:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9873 09:06 lol so it does 09:06 <{Demo}> i never thought id have to describe something that way in my life 09:07 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2031 points, T:2622, killed by a giant cockroach 09:07 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 09:08 -!- talkingleaf has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:08 -!- talkingleaf has joined #hardfought 09:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Spelunker, on T:53066 09:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 235 points, T:536, killed by a water moccasin 09:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:53413 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided master mind flayers, on T:26976 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] peterg (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:26979 09:24 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:24 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 09:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] samiam (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:16596 09:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4018 09:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Jilvane (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 184 points, T:516, killed by an elven dagger 09:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Exhumer, on T:14622 09:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Jilvane (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) murdered donut, his faithful kitten, on T:1407 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Jilvane (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 645 points, T:1469, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted gnome 09:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Jilvane (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 19 points, T:258, killed by a sewer rat 09:42 <@based> aint used to wizzy 09:43 ugh I kind of want to play elf wiz 09:43 <@nabru> !pom 09:43 @nabru: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 10 days. 09:43 after all that time spent playing orc wiz for tnnt 09:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Sam Hum Mal Law), 105 points, T:445, killed by a sewer rat 09:43 unlike stenno I don't really like orc wiz 09:43 <@based> doesnt orc wiz early int suck? 09:44 yes, you're practically guaranteed to get 16 Int, which is the racial max, and will prevent you from having hungerless casting 09:44 <@based> hmmm 09:44 they also have terrible Pw growth 09:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:4380 09:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Jilvane (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 373 points, T:306, killed by a crossbow bolt 09:51 <@based> im not used to play squishy characters 09:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Jilvane (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:28, killed by a black pudding 09:52 <@based> okay well thats enough 09:54 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 09:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 2209 points, T:2920, killed by a dwarf 09:57 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:58 I mean, you kick sinks at your own peril 09:58 you started with two very nice rings already 09:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (winged gargoyles), on T:17805 09:58 phew 09:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Jilvane (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 77 points, T:554, killed by a fox 10:03 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 2566 points, T:2409, killed by a yeti 10:05 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 10:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:18269 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 321 points, T:497, killed by a water moccasin 10:08 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 0 points, T:9, killed by a water moccasin 10:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:18471 10:14 hmm grayswandir or not grayswandir 10:14 <@based> @aosdict yeah idk why i kick sinks so early 10:14 i really don't have that many wishes 10:14 boh first i guess 10:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed bag of holding", on T:18490 10:15 <@based> @aosdict what prompted the removal of two wiz rings in xnh 10:15 <@based> to discourage wizzyscumming? 10:15 could also get crowned for basic excalibur 10:15 <@based> glorious excal 10:16 if i 10:16 <@based> also aos i really loved the new barb quest areas, they looked great 10:16 if i'd get excal i don't need cloak of protection 10:16 thanks! I have fun messing with the level generator 10:16 Barb quest areas? o: 10:17 <@based> yeah in xnh its not just some random caves anymore, but like, big canyons and then a cool ass big temple to break into 10:17 it's supposed to be a deserted village, not really a temple 10:17 but, death of the author/programmer 10:18 <@based> aahhh that explains the empty houses then 10:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 1363 points, T:2281, killed by an invisible parrot zombie 10:18 I haven't done a ton of quest redesign yet but have a lot of big plans 10:19 Mind cluing me in? 10:19 was holding off because I knew level generator changes were coming (lua) 10:19 ๐Ÿ‘€ 10:19 <@based> exciting! 10:19 <@based> i enjoyed the gehennom changes too 10:20 What were those again 10:20 I'm sure they're good but memory fails me 10:21 <@based> adding large rooms in mazes 10:21 Umbire: quest redesign page https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/User:Phol_ende_wodan/Quest_level_redesign, etherpad https://hardfought.org/etherpad/p/NetHack_Quest_Redesigns 10:21 orite, thank 10:21 <@based> well mazes seemed to have graveyards and large rooms for a breath of air 10:21 and also yeah that genuinely sounds dece so far @based 10:22 <@based> still cant believe i found a random grayswandir in the castle armoury on my barb run 10:22 <@based> random cursed -1 grayswandir 10:22 gehennom rooms are nice but have the stand 10:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 Grayswandir", on T:18728 10:23 @based gehennom rooms are nice but have the standard disclaimer that I want a more complete gehennom redesign and intend to eventually replace the mazes entirely 10:23 <@based> that sounds hype 10:24 aosdict: btw, if you want to do a gehe redesign, you can do it just in lua in 3.7 10:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 76532 points, T:18757, killed by an Olog-hai 10:24 omfg 10:24 paxed: yep. no messing around with mkmaze 10:24 that olog-hai had infinite hp and i couldn't even hit him, even with grayswandir 10:24 what a waste of time 10:24 just a gehefill.lua or some such 10:24 aosdict: yup 10:24 !lastgame stenno 10:24 stenno: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-09-23%2009%3A11%3A29%2C%20stenno-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1606999647.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/sporkhack/dumplog/1546261261.sp.txt 10:25 <@based> @stenno duuuuuude no 10:25 You miss the olog-hai 10:25 maybe i had very negative luck somehow? 10:25 that would explain it 10:25 paxed: you should also look at xnh themed rooms, I've managed some funky stuff with them, like shop subrooms that avoid having extra doors and a mini-maze 10:26 No mention of bad luck in the log 10:26 no bonus or malus 10:26 Perhaps not enough Luck 10:26 or enough luck 10:26 skilled +3 grayswandir with Dx 16 cannot hit an olog hai 10:26 <@based> will xnh take inspiration from gehennom room designs like in unethack and stuff like the heck2 patch? 10:26 stenno: What XL? 10:26 aosdict: i have, just not recently 10:27 @based those are still primarily mazes right? 10:27 <@based> tbh the heck2 patch looks really nasty 10:27 <@based> ah yeah i believe so 10:27 <@based> welp now im excited for no more mazes 10:27 <@based> dont need to hoard magic mappings anymore!! 10:27 3 hours already in 10:27 Pinkbeast: 11 10:28 <@luxidream> no luckstone? 10:28 you may still want some magic mappings. a gehennom level can still be confusing and difficult (good difficulty, not bad maze difficulty) without being a maze 10:28 Pinkbeast: of the 10 hits, 5 missed 10:28 @luxidream, no i only just got MR 10:28 How can a hit miss? :D 10:29 attacks 10:29 that was a bullshit game anyway 10:29 <@based> do ologs respect elbereth 10:29 <@based> i wouldnt elbereth ever really but sometimes on death screen im like 10:29 <@based> maybe i shouldve 10:29 18k turns castle 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3124 10:30 i didn't know how many charges my wand of fire had lef 10:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] sonsie (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:20678 10:30 <@based> sadge 10:30 i was already engraving 2-3 Elbereth with /oFire 10:30 speaking of gehennom, dnh's gehennom is epic 10:30 not a single healing potion 10:31 pretty sure i had no healing potion IDed 10:31 shit gme 10:31 <@lilith> amateurhour: what's it like? 10:31 T:18k castle 10:32 <@based> i remember a wiz run where turn 50 fountain quaff gave me SDSM and then a few hundred turns later i died 10:32 <@based> that was a good one 10:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3241 10:32 i had basically no stuff 10:33 I got a first try smoky potion wish on a wiz after finding my bones from another idiotic splat 10:33 somehow thousands of turns later I find myself up create monster creek with no MBane 10:33 maybe i should just abort a game if its like 15k turns and i am not at the castle yet 10:33 it's much shorter, but demon lords/princes are really scary and you try your best to avoid at all costs 10:34 also it's much more random which demon lairs you even get 10:34 rip 2-streak, ah well 10:34 next time will be better 10:34 thanks Beholder 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:14757 10:35 Demogorgon and Lamashtu in particular are probs the scariest 10:35 stenno plays nethack all the time now ! so freaking awesome. I don't know why i care, but it makes me happy man 10:37 think i am playing on and off for 18 hours now lol 10:37 maybe its time for a break at some point 10:37 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:38 -!- telegarn has joined #hardfought 10:38 protection racket waas a success again though 10:39 ouch? 10:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Neu) was given Atlantean Royal Sword, on T:8378 10:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1128 10:42 oh crystal plate mail in the first room. I can probably hawk that for protection racket? 10:43 -!- lorimer has quit [Quit: NAE TROOSERS] 10:43 -!- zhakupov has joined #hardfought 10:43 -!- lorimer has joined #hardfought 10:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v lorimer] by ChanServ 10:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2634 points, T:3551, killed by a killer bee 10:45 not the bees! 10:47 oh boy, current tourist found a bag on a trap tile 10:50 can't wait for it to turn out to be a BoH 10:50 :^) 10:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] zhakupov (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:33009 10:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2948 10:57 -!- zhakupov has quit [Quit: zhakupov] 10:57 amulet of guarding :o 10:58 thats great 10:58 <{Demo}> ok mr 3.7.0 player 10:58 hehe 10:58 <{Demo}> what r u gonna do next? turn into a shimmering dragon? 10:58 <{Demo}> wait no, it was displacer beast and ...??? that was defunct that they added 10:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3456 10:59 polymorph thing 10:59 genetic engineer 10:59 yeah 10:59 <{Demo}> weird choice 10:59 <{Demo}> to go for some slashem stuff 11:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 455 points, T:993, killed by an arrow 11:00 I really thought the jedi patch was in slashem 11:00 <{Demo}> it has lightsabers 11:00 <{Demo}> but no jedi role 11:01 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Arc Hum Fem Law), 181 points, T:367, killed by a gnome lord 11:01 doesn't make any sense 11:01 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 5 arrows on an altar, on T:3403 11:02 <{Demo}> play slashem for 100 hours and tell me any of it makes sense 11:02 lol 11:02 amulet of guarding is good stuff 11:02 i don't care where it came from 11:03 we can eat them too, right? 11:03 <{Demo}> i hope 11:03 I've played it for about 24h eyeballing the scoreboard 11:03 <{Demo}> i think i have a stupid amount of hours on slashem 11:03 <{Demo}> just locally many years ago 11:03 You dream that you hear some noises in the distance 11:08 YANI: You instantly wake up if you would normally get a message that you feel worried about your pet or feel sadness over their death 11:10 human monk was imba af 11:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a circular amulet on an altar, on T:4902 11:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3270 11:11 And dead for no good reason on my part, Fortuna the tourist take 3 11:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5149 11:12 Umbire: "You have a horrible nightmare about your pet being killed! You awaken in a cold sweat." 11:12 still not playing on a server Umbire? :P 11:12 <{Demo}> whoaaaa found some old nethack 3.4.0 local saves from 2005. i have no idea what to expect from them 11:12 I have a priest on here that I fiddled with yesterday 11:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2070 11:13 phrasing 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3152 11:14 Umbire: if you can turn "not the bees" into a viable TNNT achievement, I'd consider adding it :) 11:15 ... 11:15 it can't be "get killed by a bee" though because achievements don't require death 11:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3849 11:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:5416 11:15 * Umbire ๐Ÿค” 11:15 <{Demo}> uhhhh rip https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/784090458250149928/unknown.png 11:15 Could be get a priest to summon insects on you? 11:15 Though everyone who gets to the sanctum would get it I guess 11:16 Either that or encountering like a fixed number of beehives in a game? 11:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3371 11:16 though that's leaving it too much to RNG 11:16 <{Demo}> ok it loads in the graphical version 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2277 11:17 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law), 6713 points, T:5642, killed by a winter wolf cub 11:17 !lastgame 11:17 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1607010131.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/g/gargor/nethack/dumplog/1607010903.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/e/em028/dnethack/dumplog/1606990312.dnh.txt 11:18 omg i ihad the best stuff. oh well 11:18 <{Demo}> uhhh these games all suck 11:18 reflection, slow digestion , enchant armor, magic missile, charging 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Kni Hum Mal Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:2438 11:19 give me those things and a marker and i'm good to go 11:20 aosdict: Be hit by bees a certain amount of times without dying? 11:20 Probably too farmable after a certain point but I gotta throw out some kinda ideas 11:20 how about "get poisoned by a bee and survive" 11:20 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 11:20 granted, survival is the most common outcome for bee poison 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3246 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 1756 points, T:2894, killed by a wolf, while sleeping 11:24 True 11:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4888 11:26 <@Tone> Not the Bees achievement: Summon x killer bees by kicking a tree 11:26 hmm 11:26 <@Tone> I think there are already some tree achievements though? 11:27 which version has killer bees turn into queen bees by eating royal jelly? 11:27 is that a 3.7 thing? 11:27 Ohi Tone 11:27 Also yes that's 3.7 11:28 Evil Patch Idea: leprechauns can "grow up" into random capital L, if they find "enough" gold (10 x dungeon level). 11:29 @Tone That can be simplified into kicking just one tree because that's easier to implement 11:29 adding to design doc 11:29 <{Demo}> jonadab that makes no sense 11:29 <{Demo}> they tend to spawn with at least that much gold lol 11:30 {Demo}: that's why it's an EPI 11:30 leprechauns spawn as liches all over the place 11:30 <{Demo}> why not just skip the formality 11:30 <{Demo}> and just replace l with L 11:31 YASI: lichprecaun 11:31 *lichprechaun 11:31 {Demo}: Because then on early levels you'd get the low-level brown L, instead of having a 50/50 chance of getting a purple one. 11:32 (Always be suspicious when an Evil Patch Idea uses the word "random".) 11:33 i think i implemented a leprechaun king in spork? it could steal any gold items from you 11:33 sacfesting on DL 1 is a bit stupid soehow 11:34 In Fourk's challenge mode, leprechauns can steal containers that have gold in them. Objects made of gold would be a natural extension. 11:34 it's a good place to fountain quaff (statistically) 11:34 Evil leps can steal gold items I think 11:34 or/along with some other vars 11:35 yeah they def do in evil 11:35 have to pay attention to the messages 11:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 9992 points, T:16258, killed by a leocrotta 11:35 D: 11:35 paxed: xnh leprechauns do this, but it's mostly useless without the obj materials patch or at least adding gold/gilded wands 11:36 i'm getting confused as to what is new in 3.7 and what is evil 11:36 the most you can hope for in vanilla is that they steal someone's random gold ring 11:36 or the candelabrum I guess 11:36 aosdict: yup, it was with the obj materials 11:36 oh i've had them steal gold amulet of reflection and not notice 11:36 sucks 11:37 aosdict: unless i can think of something more interesting for them, there's no sense adding leppie kings to 3.7 11:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Tangles' ghost, the former Pillager, on T:5680 11:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:5683 11:37 I mean, I prefer just making regular leprechauns do that, not adding a new monster 11:38 that's valid 11:38 do wish the l class would be expanded though 11:38 move leprechauns to i 11:39 some vars already do that 11:39 and it's a good move 11:39 there's already a green i. could probably adjust homunculus' color 11:39 but I also wonder if other options are possible 11:40 I made em bright green paxed 11:40 (leps, not homunculus) 11:40 otoh, there isn't a ton of point in doing that unless you want to put lizards on l 11:40 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ico Mal Cha), 134675 points, T:14372, quit 11:40 meh 11:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 18322 points, T:5841, killed by a gnome mummy 11:41 I mean that's not UNreasonable 11:41 too much effort, not enough reason to do it 11:41 yeah 11:41 I wanted lizards on l as part of an anti-punctuation-monster push, but then there isn't actually any desired use for : 11:41 so currently : doesn't have anything in xnethack, and I might end up reverting it 11:42 <@based> (id like the mall in xnh) 11:43 <@based> or a toned down version 11:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3128 11:44 mall? 11:44 <@based> https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Mall 11:44 <@based> i think mall is too early at level 5 or 6 11:44 yes well we'd all like some things 11:44 <@based> haha yeah.. 11:45 another level filled with useful shops... nah 11:45 * aosdict is in the pocket of Big Minetown 11:45 <@based> so, leaning more versus challenging special areas> 11:45 <@based> i did my first ludios in xnh 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3588 11:46 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed krm26 the human zombie, and former Conjurer, on T:4229 11:47 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed krm26 the human zombie, and former Thaumaturge, on T:4260 11:48 <@based> oh damn i didnt expect to die while donning armor 11:49 Getting dressed is, in fact, not a free action 11:49 <@based> noooo i had magic marker and tele control 11:49 <@based> haha 11:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Jilvane (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5 points, T:369, killed by a fox, while dressing up 11:50 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:50 -!- snes-nh has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:50 -!- snes-nh has joined #hardfought 11:50 <{Demo}> playing some slem 11:51 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 592 points, T:1502, killed by a large mimic 11:53 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 5110 points, T:4570, zombified by a human zombie 11:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Kontroller's ghost, the former Bachelor, on T:5816 11:54 amulet of ESP fl3, nice 11:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4274 11:56 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 118 points, T:357, killed by a tower of flame 11:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:5830 11:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5873 11:57 smoky acid thrown at me. 11:58 eh, could've been smoky paralysis 11:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:5956 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:4580 11:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a spherical amulet on an altar, on T:4583 11:59 Too bad there isn't a potion of drain level, that could end up with the smoky appearance. 11:59 non-NetHack change silly idea: tier list of best to worst smoky potions 11:59 -!- snes-nh has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:00 -!- snes-nh has joined #hardfought 12:00 JRPG tiers or numeric? 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Conjurer, on T:4717 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 4407 points, T:3675, killed by a crocodile 12:00 Yes. 12:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed scroll of genocide", on T:98037 12:01 top tier is obviously fruit juice 12:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) genocided class U, on T:98038 12:02 and maybe sickness 12:02 slightly below that, see invis 12:02 and booze 12:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) murdered her faithful pseudodragon, on T:1202 12:02 along with extra/full healing 12:02 full healing isn't top tier 12:02 extra healing sure 12:03 full healing is slightly below top tier 12:03 if you get a wish instead of that heal you really needed against pesti 12:03 then what 12:03 extra healing might be top tier but probably not apex because you have to decide to go for either less max HP or try for djinni 12:04 Aye 12:04 smoky polymorph is probably the bottom-most 12:04 ? just bless them all and you either get nice extra max hp or a wish, consumed safely 12:04 very rare, hard to get deliberately, and bad effects when drank 12:04 paralysis also scraping the bottom 12:04 you get way more in terms of max HP from full healing since it restores so much HP 12:05 I'd personally put smoky paralysis under polymorph 12:05 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 1180 points, T:1415, killed by a gnome zombie 12:05 granted both have rings that """solve""" them but with polymorph you can be a Keystone Kap or a MMF 12:06 compared to free action turning paralysis into a general nothing burger 12:06 ("nothing" being the key word there) 12:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:10902 12:07 Smoky gain ability is nearly idea. 12:07 *l 12:07 well 12:07 i will take this one i think 12:08 smoky gain ability is the bespoke to to fruit juice's woke 12:08 [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo2 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 7305 points, T:2886, killed by a gnome lord, while helpless 12:08 jonadab: nah, it's nice, but second tier 12:08 <{Demo}> fucking bitch ass spellbook 12:08 but reading's fundamental demo 12:08 :[[[ 12:08 because gain ability can't be drank ad infinitum for improvements 12:09 Eventually it stops having further benefit, true. 12:09 (Also there are cheaper ways to increase strength.) 12:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:98277 12:09 someone should use one of those tier generator websites and post this stuff on reddit 12:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:11202 12:10 I'm already planning on it 12:10 Saving it for after my therapy session 12:11 not least because I have to actually think through my opinions 12:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Cav Gno Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:98293 12:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 300 points, T:710, killed by a dwarf lady 12:12 neat, sizable shop on the same floor as an altar 12:13 i never use paralysis. smoky paralysis would be blessed and chugged 12:13 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:13 every time i try to use a paralysis potion in never works out the way i intended 12:14 paralysis is fairly rare 12:14 wield it 12:14 oh i know HOW to do it, k2 12:14 wield it and whack a mole with it 12:14 and say 'boop' when you do it. that's key 12:15 do paralysis potions work in evil or does the monster just laugh at you? 12:15 i know some people use them on orcus in vanilla? I think? 12:17 doens't matter in evil because he doesn't have the wand anymore :: grumble :: 12:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 1569066 points, T:98296, killed by Moloch's indifference 12:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Exhumer, on T:12795 12:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12825 12:23 hmm, 80zm gray stone and there's two of them 12:23 touchstone or luckstone... 12:23 touchstone 12:24 both of them since they stacked 12:24 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 12:25 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 952 points, T:2620, killed by a wand 12:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3139 12:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:27 I'm playing some slem as well {Demo} 12:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Quetzalcoatl, on T:13433 12:29 neat 12:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:12314 12:31 <{Demo}> well I'm not anymore 12:31 <{Demo}> because spellbooks are bullshit 12:32 when i look at a tile game like you posted earlier, umby? i can't even tell what's going on. You'd think it would be the opposite 12:32 <{Demo}> and just freeze you for several hundred turns 12:32 ah yeah 12:32 i'm kind of jealous of the people who like tiles. i want to. just does not work with my brain 12:34 -!- raisse has quit [Client Quit] 12:34 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 12:34 <{Demo}> tiles are information overload 12:35 -!- arahael1 has joined #hardfought 12:35 <{Demo}> easier to confuse different level dwarves, but impossible to confuse dwarf king and mmf 12:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:13912 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] AlbertB (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:6023 12:36 [hdf-eu] [slshm] amateurhour (Mon Dop Mal Cha), 13090 points, T:3213, killed by a deep one 12:36 did a dumb and picked up a loadstone 12:36 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:37 i found an amulet of guarding, pretty cool 12:37 well, my thing is i can't instantly identify what things are. It's just a really low res small horrible rendering of a monster or whatever 12:37 yeah they are great spleen! 12:37 Nevanda's not even that bad 12:37 :) 12:37 it gives MC1 i think too 12:38 awesome 12:38 the problem is more one of "small screen" 12:38 sprites are p. well detailed for the size they're given 12:38 and I'm a """visual learner""" so 12:38 like i said i want to like it 12:38 i've tried and just can't do it 12:38 which is fine 12:38 i know. i can still make fun of you thouhg 12:38 ;) 12:40 hope you know i'm teasing. i just wish you played on server. you comment on everyone's games so it's only fair. but keep posting the .pngs. you need to describe the scene though because i never know whats going on 12:40 * Umbire rolls up a newspaper 12:40 Psh, nah I know 12:40 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:41 that brown lump is a goblin etc. 12:41 You feel like a new dwarf! 12:41 lucky 12:41 poly traps are my biggest fear 12:41 same 12:41 i like my robe to exist 12:43 in evilhack they throw polymorph potions at you in the mines etc. like paralysis. that can really suck 12:44 I can usually just flip between tilesets to make it easier for you to see really 12:44 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 12:44 nah. you need to play on hdf for me to be satisfied... 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] AlbertB (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6461 12:44 we all assume you are cheating 12:44 We who's we 12:44 everyone that isn't you 12:45 also I literally liveblog most of my splats 12:48 i just want to watch you play. no one thinks you cheat lol 12:49 * Umbire baps with newspaper 12:51 [hdf-us] [slshm] Demo2 (Rog Dop Fem Cha), 531 points, T:672, killed by a little dog 12:54 dope rogue 12:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a quivering blob, on T:15544 12:54 ....... 12:55 ok tht could have been much worse lol 12:55 all my stuff is still intact i think 12:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Camaxtli, on T:57142 12:59 Yeah I think your everything just falls off 13:01 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Dan Orc Fem Cha), 597 points, T:1857, mowed down by a rock mole 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3311 points, T:4808, poisoned by a killer bee 13:04 [hdf-eu] [slshm] amateurhour (Mon Dop Mal Cha), 5609 points, T:1251, quit 13:04 0:1 castle wow again 13:04 this time its less problematic though i think 13:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:15812 13:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:15818 13:07 You sit on the opulent throne. You feel very comfortable here. 13:07 this is one of aosdicts PRs iirc 13:07 gray dsm stenno? 13:07 yes 13:07 doesn't the quest arti give MR? 13:07 yes but i don't want to rely on it 13:08 fair enough 13:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:15976 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:5726 13:10 hmm 13:11 man both elven cloak and cloak of displacement only give MC1 13:11 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Arc Gno Fem Neu), 211 points, T:492, killed by a poisonous corpse 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:5968 13:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Neu) became Camaxtli's Envoy of Balance, on T:57589 13:16 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:16 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Arc Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3830 13:16 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Arc Hum Fem Law), 1670 points, T:3833, mowed down by a ratman 13:17 -!- snes-nh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:18 -!- snes-nh has joined #hardfought 13:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3778 13:22 something you'll all want to be aware of - https://www.reddit.com/r/nethack/comments/k5zdz3/hardfought_display_failure_help/ 13:22 read the responses please :) 13:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2569 13:25 K2: when I try to update my rcfile something weird is happening 13:25 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 934 points, T:2478, killed by an arrow 13:25 * K2 is listening 13:25 I try to copy from another variant and it brings me to this and then just hangs until I hit ^C 13:25 https://0x0.st/i76Q.png 13:26 this is trying to copy my xnethack rcfile 13:26 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Car Gul Fem Cha) destroyed shadowcat's ghost, the former Esquire, on T:2188 13:26 or rather trying to copy 3.7 rcfile to xnh 13:26 hmm thats the wrong ip 13:26 i thought i had fixed this 13:26 it works fine other than copying rcfile though, I can play without issues 13:26 right 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 4111 points, T:4178, killed by a Woodland-elf 13:27 yeah this issue cropped up a couple weeks ago when i had to hard reboot the hdf-us instance, AWS gave me a completely different ipv4 address 13:27 had to update hosts files 13:27 so lets check those again 13:27 seriously, is today monday? lol 13:28 no idea (not good) 13:28 it's thursday apparently 13:28 this morning my boss thought it was Tuesday 13:29 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 13:29 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3845 13:30 qt_ try it now 13:30 seems to work now 13:31 yeah for some reason the chroot hosts file still had the old ip 13:31 this makes me sad 13:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:11137 13:31 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 13:32 qt_ thanks for letting me know (this does not make me sad) 13:32 sure 13:32 <{Demo}> https://docs.aws.amazon.com/AWSEC2/latest/UserGuide/elastic-ip-addresses-eip.html#using-instance-addressing-eips-allocating 13:33 <{Demo}> so u dont lose ip address when box reboots 13:33 aosdict: the heck^2 levels in unnethack keep the mazy look but they aren't real mazes. lots of general openings (e.g. a big wide room in the middle of the level to which mini-mazes around it connect to). much faster to traverse than the true mazes in 3.4.3 13:33 rebatela: If it means anything I was playing yesterday 13:34 thanks {Demo} 13:34 some day I will update my rcfile sync thing to support variants as well as vanilla, then I will never have to copy anything manually again 13:34 smoky is full healing, uh oh 13:36 monkaW 13:37 rebatela: I'm probably gonna start up again soon, finally figure out what to do about this werewolf effectively blocking my progress 13:38 -!- mode/Beholder_ [+Zi] by Beholder_ 13:38 -!- tepper.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ยค public irc logs available on website ยค ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ยค The November NetHack Tournament 2020 has ended! - https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt 13:38 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder_] by ChanServ 13:38 hi 13:38 Hello qt_, Welcome to #hardfought 13:38 no, YOU are welcome to #hardfought Beholder_ 13:39 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:9890 13:39 -!- spontiff has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:40 rofl 13:40 {Demo} lol 13:40 so i assigned an elastic ip to hdf-us 13:40 which immediately/effectively changed its public ipv4 address 13:40 why you saw me disconnect (I use znc on hdf-us) 13:41 i've already updated DNS records 13:41 -!- spontiff has joined #hardfought 13:41 use 3.222.125.55 if your ISP dns doesnt update quickly 13:41 <{Demo}> well at least it shouldn't change again 13:41 Ok, I know what static IP address assignment is, and dynamic IP address assignment. What is "elastic" IP? 13:41 right 13:41 K2: utf8graphics is also broken. it might be a chrome problem itself. so probably just wait for a new version for the time being? 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 4344 points, T:4895, killed by an owlbear 13:41 -!- Beholder has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:42 Beholder_: you forgot to announce my wish :( 13:44 Hmm. Google says "elastic IP" is Amazon marketspeak for static IP "for the cloud". 13:44 bhaak yes 13:44 In other words, assigning a static IP address to a cloud-hosted instance. 13:44 Or service. 13:45 bhaak: that's the only real solution i can see so far 13:45 jonadab yeah 13:45 i'll assign an elastic ip to hdf-eu later, when its getting little to no use 13:46 * jonadab plans to launch a new service called "bungee-cord IP", which is "like elastic IP, but tied to your physical server." 13:46 sign me up 13:46 Elastic IP: https://patents.google.com/patent/US20170354209A1/ 13:47 <{Demo}> make sure that it isnt expensive 13:47 <{Demo}> i know that without advanced tactics you can't get more than a few per acc to do address scarity 13:48 [hdf-us] [ndnh] hearsegirl (Mon Swn Fem Cha), 16643 points, T:2621, killed by a halberd 13:50 -!- theRaisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 13:50 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law), 14444 points, T:8550, killed by a leocrotta 13:57 [hdf-us] [ndnh] hearsegirl (Mon Swn Fem Cha), 406 points, T:1010, killed by a red mold 14:00 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 653 points, T:2076, killed by a pony 14:01 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05 Elastic IPs are totally free, as long as they are being used by an instance. However, Amazon will charge you $0.01/hr for each EIP that you reserve and do not use. You will be charged if you ever remap an EIP more than 100 times in a month. 14:05 ^ quote 14:05 sounds reasonable 14:06 oops, evaporated my offhand weapon 14:06 gotta keep those IPs tidy, especially v4. Do they do this for ipv6? 14:07 had my offhand weapon wielded, grayswandir in the other hand, not wielded, then engraved with grayswandir and i assumed (but not verified) that this would automatically wield grayswandir 14:07 ah well, there's worse 14:09 bouquet no and I dont think they'd need to 14:09 hdf-us instance ipv6 address did not change when the last hard reboot occurred 14:10 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 14:11 ya, for sure 14:12 the day we run out of ipv6 address is the day we run out of planets to colonize. 14:13 K2: after looking at it, I'm pretty sure an internal function is broken with chrome. 14:13 yay... means its not meeeee 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Cav Hum Fem Neu), 593 points, T:1027, killed by a giant bat 14:14 are Un knights no longer allowed to be dwarves? I didn't get the choice when starting a game. 14:14 i hope google didnt depreciate something on purpose 14:14 I hope today doesn't end in y 14:15 between nethack and work stuff, today sure feels like a monday 14:16 !who 14:16 K2: [hdf-us] Dragonbait [nh370] samiam [nh370] UniDuck [nh370] AlbertB [nh370] bouquet [un] hothraxxa [un] eitm9l [spl] Alasnuyo [dnh] KaiHerd [dnh] | [hdf-eu] stenno [nh370] spontiff [nh370] bhaak [un] | [hdf-au] No current players 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] AlbertB (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:9481 14:19 looks like it is this bug https://bugs.chromium.org/p/v8/issues/detail?id=10901 14:20 from sep 10th 14:21 K2: hterm 1.91 should workaround this issue 14:21 released 20 hours ago 14:21 lol 1.91? 14:21 ah was gonna ask 14:21 last night 1.91 did not exist :P 14:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Excavator, on T:18759 14:22 alrighty then, lets give it a whirl 14:23 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:23 hi bhaak 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9995 14:25 bhaak: good to know, but still, no mazes. kill the mazes 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Speleologist, on T:58361 14:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3667 14:31 [hdf-eu] [slshm] amateurhour (Mon Dop Mal Cha), 21340 points, T:4450, quit 14:31 bhaak: i upgrade to hterm 1.91, now hterm wont load 14:31 :) 14:32 hmm one sec 14:34 while you're fixing hterm can you also fix xnhtiles 14:34 bhaak: does anything need to change in wstty.py for it to use hterm 1.91? 14:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:20410 14:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20412 14:35 i just switched it back to older hterm 14:36 with hterm 1.91, just black screen 14:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:959 14:38 the joy of javascript frontend development 14:38 also the joy of semantic versioning 14:38 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:38 the joy of 'wtf doesnt this work ' 14:39 sometimes you're lucky if you even have a sledgehammer 14:39 bhaak: semver for nethack when 14:39 you could do it now even. make the current dev version 5.0.0 14:40 as a bonus it would be nice to say "yeah nethack4 is cool but have you heard of nethac 5" 14:40 nethack* 14:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:4750 14:42 it went up a version number because removing the k is a non-backwards-compatible change 14:44 or just chop off the major version 14:45 -!- snes-nh has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:45 I thought it was to appeal to todays youth? "Nethacc" 14:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 cloak of protection", on T:20502 14:46 nethack actually stands for netha Crip Killer, removing the k will increase the appeal to members of the Crips 14:46 but obviously it will lose a ton of market share among Bloods 14:47 -!- snes-nh has joined #hardfought 14:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5065 14:48 currently ascending every race & alignment is used as a way to test incoming Bloods, displacing older tests like drivebys 14:49 bhaak: as confusing as nethack 5.0.0 would be, it would be extra confusing to explain why 5 and 6 were skipped 14:49 [hdf-us] [spl] owen (Dra Chn Nbn Law), 372 points, T:1526, killed by a pig 14:49 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 14:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 668 points, T:1214, killed by a dwarf 14:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:5273 14:52 does anyone know if the light circles of a given radius are an approximation of some formula 14:52 or just picked via what looks good 14:52 in vision.c 14:53 aren't they usually specified in the square of euclidean distance 14:53 like, "radius 1" is actually 2, because that hits the positions 1 and sqrt(2) spaces away from the source 14:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Hrnn (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 73 points, T:195, killed by a goblin 14:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:21050 14:57 could you explain like I'm tired 14:57 what's the real radius for say the example in the code comments? 14:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:21176 14:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:21178 15:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Sceptross (Sam Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1197 15:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Ran Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6560 15:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:21313 15:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:21315 15:04 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:14634 15:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] x86Cow (Val Dwa Fem Law), 181 points, T:1342, killed by a kobold zombie, while fainted from lack of food 15:07 * Umbire notices the game actually counted the space left behind after entering text in the name 15:07 * Umbire sighs and prepares a noose 15:08 -!- nimsumzero has joined #hardfought 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] x86Cow (Ran Gno Mal Neu) murdered Sirius, his faithful little dog, on T:348 15:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Vis (Pir Hum Mal Cha), 66415 points, T:13845, killed by an invisible quaton 15:11 The displacer beast swaps places with you... 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Val Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a yellow mold, on T:17611 15:12 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:4001 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] x86Cow (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 226 points, T:817, killed by a giant rat 15:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:21791 15:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:21797 15:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] KaiHerd (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 10164 points, T:7153, killed by a crow 15:20 [hdf-us] [xnh] owen (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2802 15:21 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed horn of plenty", on T:5111 15:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:21810 15:23 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 15:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Sceptross (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:3148 15:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 393 points, T:1212, killed by a dwarf 15:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:21910 15:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:21913 15:25 -!- snes-nh has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:25 -!- snes-nh has joined #hardfought 15:26 aosdict: "because we chopped off the major version" is an easy to understand explanation. that is done often enough. 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] x86Cow (Val Dwa Fem Law), 168 points, T:1708, killed by a boulder 15:28 bhaak: fwiw i'm all in favour of nethack 7.0 15:28 bigger numbers means better i think 15:30 got shafted from 46 to 50 - and 50 is molochs sanctum 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1364 points, T:2492, killed by a killer bee 15:39 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:15986 15:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:23255 15:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) bribed Baalzebub with 118 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:23301 15:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) bribed Asmodeus with 144 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:23524 15:49 bhaak: so you're gonna do it? 15:49 I'm level 13 and have gone all the way down to medusa's island and the end of the gnomish mines and have not gained intrinsic telepathy or found an alter other than the unaligned one in minetown. Almost 20,000 turns in. Crazy 15:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] x86Cow (Val Dwa Fem Law), 391 points, T:592, killed by a giant spider 15:52 aosdict: if it would come up for discussion on the devteam, I would argue for it under some circumstances. but I also see no problem with a 3.8, 3.9, 3.10. 15:53 it's just version numbers after all. 15:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Sceptross (Sam Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4854 15:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:23937 15:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Sceptross (Sam Hum Mal Law), 4105 points, T:4898, killed by a winter wolf cub, while reading a book 15:56 I've only bought 5 levels of protection from the minetown priest. I guess I'll just have to kill him to convert the altar so I can make some blessed potions to bless my 8 scrolls of identity. I've only identified a few things so far. I guess it's about that time. 15:57 -!- post163 has joined #hardfought 15:58 The scoreboards on hardfought.org have not been updated in almost two weeks; what may be going on? 15:59 K2: eternal Monday continues 15:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:24561 16:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] owen (Sam Hum Fem Law), 13306 points, T:5500, killed by an energy vortex 16:01 post163: why do you make hundreds of riding accidents in Junethack? 16:01 -!- nimsumzero has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] AlbertB (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 8198 points, T:12914, killed by a mumak 16:04 -!- post163 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:04 [hdf-us] [slex] owen (Mam Xor Mal Neu), 750 points, T:4, killed by a monster (ogre axman) 16:06 [hdf-us] [ndnh] owen (Tou Inc Mal Neu), 182 points, T:264, killed by a grid bug 16:07 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 16:07 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest38365 16:07 -!- Guest38365 has quit [Killed (weber.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 16:07 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 16:07 i'm aware of the hdf scoreboards not having updated (since last hard reboot) 16:07 its on my to-do 16:07 just havent felt like re-running the scripts yet 16:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:24610 16:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:24782 16:12 <--- slacker 16:12 man i alreaady feel that this will be an astral splat 16:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:24844 16:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:24852 16:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:24873 16:16 wtf is that layout 16:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:24949 16:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 1404658 points, T:24952, ascended 16:18 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1607009653.nh.html 16:18 ok 16:18 gz 16:19 wow that took 8 hours lol 16:19 thx 16:19 3 wins in 4 games, not bad 16:19 24 hour session :x 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 226 points, T:738, fell into a pit 16:20 nice stenno 16:21 <@luxidream> grats stenno 16:21 thx ppl 16:22 <@luxidream> Should have streamed for the 24 hour nethack stream 16:22 lul 16:22 hmm something is wrong with the nhs 16:23 i died as an arc but the game is not displayed 16:23 on my nhs page it still shows the tourist as last game 16:23 but i died as arc at the castle 16:23 GG Stenno 16:23 thx 16:24 3 of 13 16:24 fucking work man, can't wait for the weekend 16:25 i was getting really tired in the last game lol 16:26 vaporized my offhand silver saber 16:26 but it was easy going anyway 16:27 found a giant scroll shop early which sold a _lot_ of ?oEA lol 16:27 also of course prot racket success yet again 16:27 that is 3 times in a row 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 73761 points, T:21217, killed by a captain 16:27 slowly i am learning it 16:28 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Ran Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of hiking boots on an altar, on T:3053 16:29 oh maybe the fact that NHS doesn't update anymore is because of those infrastructure problems or w/e is going on 16:30 oh yeah sorry i'm doing some maintenance 16:30 it'll be running again shortly 16:30 great, thanks 16:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:10815 16:30 !lastgame tinklebear 16:30 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tinklebear/nethack/dumplog/1606854720.nh.html 16:31 overcommitted to failed scare attempts, fat F 16:32 in this game i learned that as gnome or dwarf, you can try mines' end first 16:32 get luckstone, start sacfesting 16:33 this one was especially lucky because i got grays as second sac gift 16:33 mines' end before soko 16:34 lmfao yeah 16:35 Mines are much safer for the bearded 16:37 next one will be orc rogue 16:37 another grayswandir role lol 16:37 third in a row 16:37 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Arc Hum Fem Law) murdered Smut, her faithful kitten, on T:296 16:38 !who 16:38 nabru: [hdf-us] eitbo [tnnt] karibou [evil] krm26 [evil] inlawBiker [nh370] Frozty [nh370] nabru [nh370] UniDuck [nh370] Grouchy [nh370] tinklebear [nh370] malor [dnh] owen [dnh] KaiHerd [nh343] qt [xnh] | [hdf-eu] spontiff [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 16:42 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 3729 points, T:4841, killed by a fire ant, while praying 16:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) averted death (killed by a jackal), on T:905 16:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 723 points, T:1278, killed by a rothe 16:48 -!- nimsumzero has joined #hardfought 16:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 413 points, T:706, killed by a bolt of fire 16:49 -!- snes-nh has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 16:50 -!- snes-nh has joined #hardfought 16:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Ran Hum Mal Cha), 359 points, T:1068, killed by a giant bat 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1470 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:26627 16:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:26632 16:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] spontiff (Hea Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:14350 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] UniDuck (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 19330 points, T:13645, killed by a troll, while praying 17:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:19607 17:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kontroller (Kni Hum Mal Law), 545 points, T:2042, killed by a hobgoblin 17:05 just realized that rogue can get broadsword to skilled, that makes the crowning gift a bit better 17:06 but grayswandir... 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Kontroller's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:2725 17:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Arc Clk Mal Neu), 444 points, T:786, killed by a small mimic 17:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 4661 points, T:3046, killed by a leocrotta 17:10 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 86 points, T:511, killed by a jackal 17:13 @riker I have acquired rhythm of war. there probably won't be much xnethack development for a while ;) 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4924 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4947 17:17 <@luxidream> rhythm of war? ๐Ÿ˜ฎ 17:18 <@luxidream> oh I thought it was some cool rhythm game, how uncultured of me 17:18 i listened to a great rhythm game song some days ago 17:18 like, 'galaxy collapse' or so 17:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:4984 17:19 <@luxidream> oh that's on pump it up mobile 17:19 <@luxidream> I should play it 17:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:6255 17:20 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 186 points, T:816, killed by a dart 17:21 -!- spontiff has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:22 i don't think its the kind of music you like iirc ^_^" 17:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Big Room, on T:14442 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Orc Fem Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:5089 17:25 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 17:27 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:30 huh found a strange bug 17:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 6 points, T:59, killed by a falling object 17:30 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:30 i read ?oID in shop, but got the message 'You identify this as an identify scroll' even though i wasn't confused 17:31 * stenno checks ttyrec 17:31 !lastgame stenno 17:31 stenno: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/fiqhack/dumplog/2017-09-23%2009%3A11%3A29%2C%20stenno-Val-Hum-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/nethack/dumplog/1607009653.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/s/stenno/sporkhack/dumplog/1546261261.sp.txt 17:31 stenno: was that in vanilla? 17:31 yes, 3.7 17:32 cursed scroll of identify will print that the first time you read it 17:32 or rather, if you read it without having identify scrolls formally identified 17:32 oh? 17:32 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 17:32 didn't know that 17:32 is that new? 17:32 it's a new thing I think 17:32 I noticed it somewhat recently too 17:33 ok, good to know 17:33 well thats bad lol 17:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 104 points, T:172, killed by a bear trap 17:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 183 points, T:837, killed by a newt 17:38 <@luxidream> Stenno I also like tpaz 17:38 oh? 17:38 then i am totally misremembering , sorry 17:38 t+pazolite ftw 17:40 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:17756 17:40 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 17:41 <@luxidream> usually I do like lower bpm stuff though 17:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Gia Fem Law) had Werebane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:45929 17:44 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:20037 17:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Val Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:20044 17:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1926 17:47 -!- arahael1 is now known as arahael 17:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:2087 17:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] x86Cow (Val Dwa Fem Law), 528 points, T:1628, poisoned by a rotted hobgoblin corpse 17:53 <@based> t+pazolite huh 17:53 <@based> doujin music leaking in hardfoug t 17:54 <@based> hardfought* 17:54 <@based> i have a couple tpaz CDs in my collection 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:27289 17:54 nice 17:56 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 17:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3106 17:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:58 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] stenno (Rog Orc Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a Green-elf corpse, on T:3939 18:01 <@based> i wonder if nethack could ever implement dorf fort type locational injuries (instead of just leg damage) .... YANI 18:02 <@based> like getting your arm stabbed and losing strength 18:02 <@based> or head injuries and reduced wis/int 18:03 That could be interesting... someone throws something at your head and you temporarly lose Int/Wis 18:03 <@based> yeah! 18:03 it makes the game significantly more complicated (and would be a massive pain to code) in return for not really adding that much to the gameplay (from the perspective of a fun-loving player) 18:04 <@based> hmm makes sense 18:04 <@based> maybe slem adds losing limbs 18:04 <@based> getting your legs lopped off and losing boot slot 18:05 <@based> hahah nah thats silly 18:05 <@based> im not sure how hard exactly it is to implement things into nethack code as I dont really understand coding very well... 18:06 its an organically grown mess 18:06 -!- snes-nh has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:07 aoei: any ETA on NHS update? <3 <3 <3 18:07 is running now 18:07 you are caught in a beartrap! this beartrap is impossible to disarm. saw off your leg (y/n)? 18:07 the zorro escape 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Sam Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Kokushu, on T:27844 18:08 -!- nimsumzero has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:09 <@based> then you can carry your leg around and hit enemies with it 18:09 <@based> enchant it to +7 18:09 i like the way you think young based 18:09 <@based> nethack has opened my eyes 18:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:27989 18:11 <@based> nethack has made me appreciate dying in a game and losing all my stuff 18:11 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 18:11 <@based> because its fun to get another run going 18:11 <@based> well sometimes it sucks 18:11 depends a lot 18:12 <@based> i cant fathom people playing without pets 18:13 what does that have to do with zorro? 18:13 spicycat: zorro of one piece 18:13 'one piece' manga 18:13 -!- uruwi has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:13 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:14 names changed to protect the zorro 18:18 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1326 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:28299 18:19 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 18:19 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] inlawBiker (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Baalzebub, on T:28576 18:24 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 4511 points, T:1941, killed by Kroo the Kobold King 18:26 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 864 points, T:3181, killed by a wererat 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:2377 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grouchy (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2659 points, T:2425, killed by a rabid rat 18:31 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:20206 18:32 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20209 18:33 i kinda wanna continue my rogue but i am way too tired and should just sleep 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:6657 18:36 i have played an unhealthy amount of nethack since last month 18:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] brandon (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fireproof platinum yendorian express card", on T:13061 18:37 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:45 stenno: nice 18:45 idk 18:45 well 18:45 its really cool getting into the game again 18:45 you did some impressive amount of ascensions lol :D 18:45 stenno: i am going to try to realtime speedrun tonight 18:45 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:20751 18:45 but idk which role 18:45 mb barb 18:45 i like barb 18:46 now i am trying much more carefully, without my sub-20k rule 18:46 you also dont have to think a lot 18:46 yeah barb is cool 18:46 so its good for realtime lol 18:46 proper weapon choice costs a wish though 18:46 eh thats fine 18:46 wish for grays yeah? 18:46 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (And-Ana And Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10093 18:47 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:43 18:47 wishing for your weapon means you can be an atheist, but i will ignore conducts and focus on being fast 18:48 altar camping is annoying tho anyway 18:48 wishing is faster 18:48 yep grays 18:48 only proper weapon choice for barb imo 18:48 i would tend to agree 18:48 are you trying for sub-2h? 18:48 i dont always ascend barb with grays but its the best one 18:48 looool 18:49 i think i will just try to be faster than my average 18:49 maaaybe try to beat my nh343 pr 18:49 which was 3h58m valk 18:49 or something 18:49 maybe ijust play fast and splat a lot 18:49 either way ill set a stopwatch 18:49 so i know how long im taking 18:49 we convinced maud once to do a realtime speedrun and he used his gametime strategies, 'just faster' 18:49 and sta off irc etc. 18:49 hahaha 18:49 how did that go 18:50 really, really good 18:50 nice 18:50 he was in top 10 realtime for a very long time, probably still is 18:50 saving turns can save you rl time too lol 18:50 yeah 18:54 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 18:55 aoei: so no more javascripting? 18:55 oh lol i havent even started on that yet 18:55 aw 18:56 well i will 18:56 at some opint 18:56 point* 18:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 498 points, T:2122, killed by a dwarf, while frozen by a monster's gaze 18:57 stenno: your games should be up on the scoreboard tho 18:57 yay 18:57 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:57 thanks 18:58 hmm not yet 18:58 ah wait here we are 18:58 not on the main page, but in my player page 18:58 great, thanks 18:58 oh 5:27 18:58 i assumed like 8h lol 18:59 ah so that wasnt the one from before 18:59 wait you ascended twice today? :D 18:59 nice lol 18:59 thrice 18:59 lol no way 18:59 u on fire 18:59 i guess lol 19:00 but tonight will be break 19:00 its way too late already anyway 19:00 lol 19:00 yeah 19:00 you should sleep i guess 19:00 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) had Idspike bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:22065 19:01 but then its weekend 19:01 the best thing abouht this is that those are my weak roles 19:01 nice 19:01 ah cool 19:02 currently running orc rogue and got lucky with a minetown lamp wish 19:02 so its looking promising 19:02 sweet 19:04 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Fem Neu), 1958 points, T:741, killed by an orc-captain 19:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 337 points, T:985, killed by a crossbow bolt 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Ran Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:7530 19:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Sceptross (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 471 points, T:1235, killed by a giant bat 19:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 291 points, T:1369, killed by a dwarf 19:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:61519 19:24 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:61527 19:25 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Durin's Bane, on T:25029 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:61550 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:61628 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:61634 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:22634 19:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22638 19:32 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 726 points, T:978, killed by a giant spider 19:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 1455 points, T:3484, poisoned by an orcish arrow 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:61948 19:46 !who 19:46 K2: [hdf-us] eitbo [tnnt] krm26 [evil] oh6 [nh370] tinklebear [nh370] nimsumzero [nh370] widmerpool [nh370] hothraxxa [un] eitm9l [spl] owen [dnh] KaiHerd [nh343] | [hdf-eu] aoei [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 19:46 both nao and hfe seem to be a bit laggy for me 19:46 like high jitter, the worst kind of lag 19:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:62111 19:46 i wonder if its my connection 19:47 sounds like a jitter bug 19:47 haw haw haw 19:48 lololol 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] widmerpool (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 4782 points, T:7959, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 19:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 315 points, T:1077, killed by a gnome 19:49 lol 19:50 oof 19:51 [hdf-eu] [nh343] OhNoNotAgain (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4209 points, T:2184, killed by kicking a gnome corpse 19:53 that gnome corpse got the last laugh 19:54 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 19:54 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:24035 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:62193 19:57 -!- uruwi has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:57 -!- flirora has joined #hardfought 19:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (And-Ana And Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:18706 19:59 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:62232 20:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 59 points, T:53, killed by a goblin 20:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 31 points, T:270, killed by a water demon 20:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 20:04 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:62267 20:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2075 20:09 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] owen (Ana And Mal Neu), 101188 points, T:19709, killed by a malkuth sephirah 20:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Fem Neu), 2969460 points, T:62411, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1604262967.nh.html 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 31 points, T:153, killed by a little dart 20:14 -!- kozet has joined #hardfought 20:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1130 points, T:2247, killed by an electric shock 20:15 <@luxidream> $who 20:15 <@luxidream> !who 20:15 @luxidream: [hdf-us] sohlman [sp] krm26 [evil] quervo1 [nh370] widmerpool [nh370] tsingi [nh370] hothraxxa [un] eitm9l [spl] KaiHerd [nh343] qt [xnh] | [hdf-eu] aoei [nh370] p0werm0de [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 20:16 <@luxidream> !whereis aoei 20:16 @luxidream: [hdf-eu] aoei [nh370]: (Bar Hum Fem Cha) T:3230 The Dungeons of Doom level: 4 20:16 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) killed the Failure Eidolon, on T:25124 20:16 <@luxidream> !whereis aoei 20:16 @luxidream: [hdf-eu] aoei [nh370]: (Bar Hum Fem Cha) T:3322 The Dungeons of Doom level: 3 20:17 -!- flirora has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:18 hi lux 20:18 stop pinging me :P 20:19 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 20:20 [hdf-us] [un] hothraxxa (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:26639 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 86 points, T:694, killed by a goblin 20:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 324 points, T:2638, killed by a black pudding 20:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 222 points, T:1162, killed by a newt 20:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3898 20:28 -!- qt_ has quit [Quit: so long] 20:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4229 20:31 [hdf-us] [spl] eitm9l (Val Ang Fem Law) killed Drauglir, on T:25681 20:32 [hdf-us] [sp] sohlman (Kni Gno Fem Cha), 1404 points, T:1076, killed by a soldier ant 20:33 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:35 -!- Kontroller has joined #hardfought 20:38 -!- Kontroll1r has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:40 [hdf-us] [ndnh] sohlman (Arc Inc Fem Law), 110 points, T:169, killed by a jackal 20:40 !who 20:40 moon-child: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] Frozty [nh370] tsingi [nh370] spleen [nh370] malor [dnh] KaiHerd [nh343] | [hdf-eu] aoei [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 20:41 ow jesus 20:41 werewolf with a wand of fire in soko damn near killed me lol 20:43 -!- spleen has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:43 -!- uruwi has joined #hardfought 20:46 -!- kozet has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:47 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6475 20:53 luxi: it took me an hour to do soko and mines 20:54 which i guess isn't completely terrible 20:55 i just need to do the rest of the game in one hour i guess 21:06 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 21:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:5861 21:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:6680 21:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Sam Hum Mal Law), 10396 points, T:5875, killed by a bolt of lightning 21:11 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 21:14 [hdf-us] [4k] sohlman (Tou Scu Mal Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:580 21:15 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Car Gul Fem Cha), 1451 points, T:2545, killed by a magic missile 21:19 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Dan Elf Fem Cha), 23 points, T:68, killed by an arrow 21:24 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Arc Wer Fem Neu), 214 points, T:481, killed by a water moccasin 21:26 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Kni Ang Fem Law), 9 points, T:111, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 21:33 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Hea Dro Fem Neu), 380 points, T:995, inhumed by a werejackal 21:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 146 points, T:187, killed by a dwarf 21:35 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 31 points, T:117, dismembered by a fox 21:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:7938 21:38 !who 21:38 K2: [hdf-us] krm26 [evil] widmerpool [nh370] tinklebear [nh370] samiam [nh370] shadowcat [spl] malor [dnh] Possum [dnh] Ardub [xnh] sohlman [4k] | [hdf-eu] aoei [nh370] | [hdf-au] Arahael [evil] 21:41 [hdf-us] [4k] sohlman (Tou Scu Mal Neu), 10095 points, T:1415, killed by a dwarf 21:46 Hmm, in evil, my attacks pass harmlessly through the bones-file ghost. As a low-level character. How do I kill it? 21:46 (Monk, with gloves on, nothing else...) 21:47 Is leaving it alone an option? 21:47 I could try and bring it upstairs. 21:47 your weapons needed to either be blessed/enchanted/made of silver or bone 21:47 That worked. 21:48 gloves same 21:48 K2: Ah, good to know, then - what about blessed gloves? 21:48 Mine are just 'uncursed' at the moment, though. 21:48 blessed would work 21:48 Nice, that works then. 21:48 Will deal with the ghost later once I bless them! 21:48 ungloved wearing a silver ring would also work. or wearing bone/silver boots and kicking 21:49 (blessed or enchanted boots also) 21:49 Ah, nice. 21:50 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:8490 21:50 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Arc Gul Fem Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:2048 21:52 Oh, convenient. Stash left on the same level. 21:53 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Arc Gul Fem Neu), 1372 points, T:2193, dispatched by a rothe 21:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbrad (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2343 21:56 damn, that as unfortunate 21:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 47748 points, T:8552, killed by a minotaur 21:56 i swam a bit on medusa's level because of the lag, blanked my ?oSM 21:56 mino wouldn't have been such a problem otherwise :/ 21:56 also ran out of tele charges adn didn't have sleep 21:57 :( 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2107 21:57 ah well 21:57 aoei: Might've helped your rust, though. 21:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] eitbrad (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 310 points, T:2436, killed by a rothe 21:57 arahael: lmao 21:57 1 hour for soko and mines 21:58 1 hour more for castle splat 21:58 lol 21:58 hate minotaurs 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Law), 919 points, T:2422, killed by a snake 22:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Gauntlets of Spell Power", on T:25796 22:03 K2: could something be causing a high load on the eu server? 22:03 my ping to there is fine 22:03 and my connection seems pretty good generally 22:03 average cpu load there is less than 2% 22:03 but on hfe i'll get normal responsiveness most of the time, and then it randomly freezes for a half a second or a second or two 22:03 hm 22:03 run mtr to hdf-eu 22:04 so it could still be something with myh connection, even tho my pings are consistent 20ms 22:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 Black Dragon Scale Mail", on T:25801 22:04 k 22:04 K2: In evil, are *all* items in a bones level generally cursed, or just what they were carrying? I'm finding the third pile here, and most of everything is cursed. 22:04 i didnt change BUC behavior for bones piles in evilhack 22:05 THis is an interesting bones, then. :D 22:05 heh 22:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] sohlman (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1179 points, T:905, killed by a wand 22:06 Ooh, my first woodchuck! "Thou shalt pay for thine indiscretion!" 22:06 \o/ 22:07 "The woodchuck of Chih Sung-tzu appears before you." 22:07 K2: this is what i get https://0x0.st/i7Gy.png 22:08 oh my that is shit 22:08 why 22:08 explain like im a person who doesnt understand the output of mtr 22:08 (which is what i am) 22:09 you're dropping over 92% of all packets to your gateway 22:09 home router 22:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:25984 22:09 but then how do the later hops have such low packet loss 22:09 how does this thing actually work 22:10 im gonna restart the router and see if this helps somehow 22:10 you have a wireless router at home right? 22:10 yes i was about to suggest just that 22:10 it has wireless but im coinneted by ethernet 22:10 ok 22:10 because otherwise i get shit bandwidth 22:10 i can download 4gigs of movie in 2 minutes 22:10 bandwidth is no problem 22:10 but something else maybe is 22:11 [hdf-us] [4k] sohlman (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "skeleton key", on T:20 22:11 aoei: You aren't by chance also connected by wireless? 22:13 Hmm, it's indeed a multi-bones. 22:14 And it'll probably be another one again. :( Just got termIll, again. 22:14 But I recently made holy water and used it. 22:15 you have holy water on you? 22:15 No, not anymore, and besides, I'm chaotic. 22:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 422 points, T:1434, killed by a little dog 22:15 hrm 22:17 Given that this is evilhack, I probably should've used it to bless my potion of healing, rather than use it on my scroll of identify. 22:18 I have a cursed potion of holy water, wonder if that works for chaotics... 22:19 <@luxidream> >cursed potion of holy water 22:19 :) 22:19 <@luxidream> ?? 22:20 -!- star_cloud has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:20 also known as 'heinekin' 22:20 :D 22:20 K2: ... USB tethering my phone's 4G gives better results ffs 22:20 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 22:20 aoei hah 22:20 home router fail 22:20 its happened to all of us at some point 22:20 https://0x0.st/i7G3.png 22:21 much better 22:21 much much better 22:21 yeah this router just sucks i should just buy a new one or something 22:21 -!- shadowcat has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:21 Bah. "You feel quite proud of yourself" - still TermILl. 22:21 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 22:21 whats your data plan like for your cellphone? 22:22 not that great, dont remember right now i'd have to look it up real quick 22:22 was gonna say, if you had unlimited data transfer, just stick with it 22:22 F 22:22 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1815 points, T:1386, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a potion 22:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Hum Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:34355 22:23 K2: only 10GB 22:23 lol 22:23 it used to be 2 tho 22:23 Well, back to work for me! 22:23 but like i dont tend to use a whole load of mobile data anyways normally 22:23 -!- Muad has quit [Quit: leaving] 22:23 arahael :/ 22:24 [hdf-us] [4k] sohlman (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "scroll blessed identify", on T:490 22:24 [hdf-us] [4k] sohlman (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed identify scroll", on T:492 22:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 690 points, T:1252, killed by a gnome king 22:30 -!- star_cloud has quit [Excess Flood] 22:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) murdered his faithful kitten, on T:2932 22:30 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3035 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3058 22:33 -!- star_cloud has joined #hardfought 22:33 [hdf-us] [4k] sohlman (Arc Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed teleportaion wand", on T:825 22:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3115 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3204 22:38 [hdf-us] [4k] sohlman (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Minetown temple, on T:1006 22:40 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 1577992 points, T:93662, defeated by a nuckelavee 22:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3059 points, T:3465, killed by a bolt of cold 22:42 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 22:45 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1170 points, T:3118, quit 22:50 K2, apparently its fine to have high packet loss on some early hops if you still have 0% loss later 22:50 altho the first time i did it i had non-zero packet loss all the way down 22:50 just not super high like the first hop 22:51 i also noticed tho running it again now, the very last line is ??? 100% loss, and the traceroute doesn't actually reach hdf-eu 22:51 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 22:56 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:18432 23:03 some routers dont reply to pings 23:03 icmp is blocked 23:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 195 points, T:606, killed by a water moccasin 23:06 yeah so the 90% loss on my router doesnt necessarily mean all that much, but also i read up more and 100% loss on the final hop doesn't necessarily mean its not reaching hdf-eu, its just hdf-eu is also not replying to that ICMP 23:06 plus i've never heard anyone say 'high packet loss is fine' 23:06 hdf-eu replies to any icmp ping requests 23:06 all the hdf servers do 23:06 oh yeah true it responds to ping 23:06 [hdf-us] [un] bouquet (Kni Hum Fem Law), 7207 points, T:12194, killed by a black unicorn 23:07 but the final hop when i mtr it just shows ???? and 100% loss 23:08 https://www.linode.com/docs/guides/diagnosing-network-issues-with-mtr/ <-- according to this guide if you see a ihgh packet loss on one hop, but 0% on the subsequent hop, the packet loss isn't real, but the appearance of it is due to some rate-limiting by ISPs 23:08 hmm 23:08 -!- Muad has quit [Quit: leaving] 23:08 but earlier when i first did it i had a low but consistent non-zero packet loss 23:08 after those first couple of hops 23:09 now it seems to be much better 23:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Filcher, on T:35943 23:09 good 23:09 first two hops show packet loss but everything else is at 0% which means the actual route should be fine 23:10 the internet is confusing :o 23:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) had a magical twisted staff entrusted to her by Thoth, on T:19218 23:15 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 23:16 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Psy Mac Mal Law), 11701 points, T:514, killed by a monster (mutated plant) 23:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:2221 23:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:32408 23:21 -!- nimsumzero has joined #hardfought 23:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1093 23:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1539 points, T:2876, killed by a kitten, while praying 23:25 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nimsumzero (Val Hum Fem Law) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Priest, on T:27090 23:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Rog Orc Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3637 23:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:1355 23:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3723 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3785 23:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2216 23:39 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Rog Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:4289 23:42 [hdf-us] [slex] sohlman (Cha Unm Fem Law), 347 points, T:524, killed by a blast of missiles 23:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] malor (Ran Inc Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:34860 23:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] p0werm0de (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 217 points, T:929, killed by a giant rat 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3950 23:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2811 23:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Glord (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1668 points, T:2918, killed by a watch captain, while sleeping 23:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Rog Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Magswoman, on T:37552 23:58 lol won tengu loterry