00:00 -!- introsp31 has joined #hardfought 00:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bar Vam Fem Cha) was given the Lifehunt Scythe, on T:24192 00:03 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:04 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:04 Yay? 00:04 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 00:05 lol got sidetracked looking for the vid 00:05 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:06 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=L5ns_WerNDg 00:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bugpowder (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Nalzok, on T:22778 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bugpowder (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22780 00:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:25300 00:12 UnNetHack updated (all servers) 00:20 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 00:21 max idle was still set to 1 hour for unnethack 00:21 just adjusted that hah 00:21 2 more min picaresquieu 00:21 k2 rld i don't know if i managed to erase it again or what just now? If it was restored to begin with? My network connection is being so tempestuous i am honestly about to put this thing through the wall at high velocity 00:22 rld is the bridge bot between irc and discord 00:22 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:22 20 seconds 00:23 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 00:23 ok i got it back now 00:23 yup 00:23 i watched it 00:23 i stg if this keeps happening I am going to have to give up on the server and just play locally... 00:24 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:24 doh 00:24 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 00:24 I didn't even manage to say thanks! 00:25 :/ 00:25 fios with verizon is usually pretty solid. wonder whats going on 00:26 or it could be a router between you and the server 00:26 or it could be your local router/modem 00:27 i think it is a hardware thing, yes. Since we got back onto Verizon a couple months ago it's been shaky 00:28 i think it's telling me that I should call it a night! 00:28 traceroute looks really good from hdf-us to you 00:28 latency is *low* 00:28 gotta love fiber 00:29 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:30 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 00:30 i'm pretty frazzled, don't really have a proper armor and weapon kit together or any useful spells yet, and I'm like 80% sure that if I go forward into the treasure zoo at the end of Sokoban I'm gonna blow it and then be grumbling about it all day tomorrow 00:30 picaresquieu your issue might be local to you 00:31 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 00:31 and given what you just said, might be best to sleep on it 00:31 ugh 00:31 sucks :( 00:31 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 00:31 i need that BoH. or at least a damn magic whistle to keep my dog where he needs to be. these unicorns are eating me alive 00:31 maybe back off and regroup 00:32 Yes, agreed! Good night, Hardfought 00:32 gnite 00:33 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bar Vam Fem Cha) became the Glory of Arioch, on T:24679 00:41 [hdf-us] [slex] hearsegirl (Mah Dev Mal Law), 1768 points, T:3894, killed by a monster (Ms. Kadirli, the shopkeeper) 00:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bar Vam Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Fixed +3 Godhands", on T:24857 00:45 > zap wand of create monster for more sacrifices 00:45 > first zap creates 3 fire giants 00:45 :^) 00:45 not like I needed those boulders to seal off the temple anyway 00:46 oh cool the third one didn't actually pick up the one covering my stash 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3160 00:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Fighter, on T:3160 00:48 it even dropped a spare boulder to seal off the last non-entrance hole 00:49 Ohohohoho, sick 00:49 Aleax I killed dropped a shield of reflection 00:49 all in on the gray DSM now 00:50 non-cursed even! 00:53 ...and next zap is an ettin 00:53 I want a corpse I can at least LIFT, game 00:55 Scorpion but no corpse, raven corpse isn't much to write home about, but got a troll that Sarge killed on the altar 00:56 gnome mummy, another scorp, cockatrice that left a corpse 00:56 [hdf-us] [slex] hearsegirl (Mah Dev Fem Law), 288 points, T:1462, killed by a monster (knight of elena) 00:56 baw, got a zruty but Sarge at it 00:56 ate* 00:57 succubus, nymph (no corpse) and human zombie 00:58 It's not an issue if you can kill them over an altar. 00:58 read up ya dingdong 00:58 * Umbire rolls up a newspaper 00:59 also I'm like right next to the altar for that reason 01:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5479 01:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:5542 01:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:12 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:12 hi raisse 01:14 -!- arahael1 has joined #hardfought 01:15 -!- arahael has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:6267 01:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a pair of jackboots on an altar, on T:6273 01:21 whoopee found a wand of lightning 01:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Reconnoiterer, on T:7579 01:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) genocided disenchanters, on T:25568 01:33 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 01:37 somehow I wandered into the water while trying to repeat my bugle played and only wet two of my items 01:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:25718 01:37 bags were fine 01:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8977 01:45 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:45 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 01:49 Giant Samurai is... Interesting. Actually has body armour, for one thing. 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:10080 01:52 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:56742 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excavator, on T:26109 01:54 Hmm, definitely looks like it would be a relatively easy early-game char. 01:54 Hi 01:54 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 01:55 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:56790 01:55 Hello Umbire. :) 01:56 Umbire: I don't think we've met. (You've met my friends, Monk, Wizard, even Infidel, but not yet myself, a Giant Samurai. ;) ) 01:57 * Umbire rolls up another newspaper. 01:57 Cut it out, you. 01:57 >:v 01:58 * arahael1 slices that right in two! 01:59 -!- arahael1 is now known as Arahael 01:59 You kill newsprint! 02:00 Newsprint has lost their honor. 02:03 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:56928 02:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fireproof +3 boots of speed", on T:26295 02:04 4 of 5 notes for the pass code down 02:04 Is that online? 02:04 non 02:04 le fone? 02:04 Mhm 02:05 GBC_D 02:05 Heh. (I don't know french, but you probably guessed) 02:06 No no... 02:06 GB_AD? 02:06 Yeah 02:07 Now I just need to find that middle note 02:08 and RIGHT AS I FUCKING FIGURE IT OUT SOMEONE SHOOTS A WAND OF STRIKING 02:09 Ouch. 02:09 Oh right, wand of death. 02:10 Should probably grab that before all the charges get used 02:13 Might still have some left, got used 3-4 times? 02:13 Also I want that disenchanter dead 02:17 Umbire: Death wands can be recharged anyway. disenchanters can be occasionally useful, but blegh, yeah. 02:18 I have means of charging 02:18 But those are valuable charges 02:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13634 02:20 Yeah, fair enough. 02:22 nabru: Found your bones. :) 02:24 Neat, got a titan from a tame large cat in two polymorphs 02:29 !lastgame nabru 02:29 Arahael: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1603584460.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slex/dumplog/1590976383.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 02:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) polymorphed his first item, on T:15840 02:55 Is a "copper long sword" a good candidate for excaliber? 02:56 And titan got caught in the path of black dragon breath. 02:56 Nasty. Disintegrated? 02:58 Mhm 02:58 In any event, found the castle wand 02:58 Good stuff! 02:59 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:59 Got the 2 blessed scrolls of charging, yay 02:59 Niiice. :) 02:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:26606 02:59 One for the wand, one for the death. :) 02:59 And now I figure out what the fuck I actually even want 02:59 ...oh right, speed boots 02:59 since I had them unceremoniously destroyed 02:59 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 02:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:26606 03:00 And polypiling gave me jack shit 03:00 (well I have a bunch of Hawaiian shirts but lol) 03:01 I think I've actually wished for potions of full healing - and... Ah, yes. scroll of enchant armour. I'd not wish for those during times of peace, though! 03:01 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Sam Gia Fem Law) was denied Excalibur! The Lady of the Lake has deemed her unworthy, on T:2982 03:01 rip 03:02 K2: What's the restrictions on Excalibur again? 03:02 Woah. 03:02 have to be a lawful knight to dip for it 03:02 Right, that'll do it 03:03 Anything else that'd be different from vanilla? 03:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:26613 03:03 items can rust/corrode away so there's a chance your sword can rust away completely if you dip too many times before getting excalibur 03:04 Yeah, lost the first long sword that way. 03:04 ... copper rusts? :D 03:04 The copper one was the second sword. :) 03:05 And it doesn't seem to rust, no. 03:05 brb 03:05 copper doesnt rust 03:05 but it can corrode (acid) 03:05 Gonna move to discord and then figure out what I want my next wish to be 03:05 Bye! 03:06 Hmm, I should probably hightail it out of minetown. 03:07 EvilHack updated (all servers) 03:07 Arahael it'd be a good idea to save/reload to catch the fixes that just went through 03:07 K2: Can I see the summary somewhere? 03:07 yeah 03:08 https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/doc/evilhack-changelog.txt 03:08 Thanks. 03:08 the bottom three are what were just applied 03:08 (minus the latest merges from vanilla bit) 03:09 oh last 2 03:09 there's an entry missing in the changelog 03:09 i'll add that next go around 03:09 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragonscale mail", on T:4827 03:10 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:10 hah its past 3am... wtf am I still up 03:10 gnite o/ 03:11 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Pri Hum Fem Law), 6030 points, T:4827, killed by a panther 03:12 K2: Sleep well, and thanks again. :) 03:13 Ooh, might I see said updates? 03:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:14 <@Umby> Also still dunno what I want with my wishes, I guess I could double check ascension kit lists 03:15 Umby: Ah, you're still here. :) When I ascended, I think I had several spare wishes. 03:15 <@Umby> I did say I was moving to Discord a couple of times 03:15 Umby: I forget that there's a discord bridge. 03:16 <@Umby> Anyway I can figure out what genocide's label is and revgeno gray dragons if I really want 03:16 Meh, save it for when it's needed? 03:16 <@Umby> PYEC would be painfully redundant, isn't guaranteed since I was given Vorpal Blade and Cleaver spawned in Mines' End 03:17 Oh, they're sometimes spawned there? 03:17 <@Umby> And I can write as much charging as I feel like anyway 03:17 <@Umby> No, just an RNG artifact 03:17 Ah. Which variant are you on? 03:17 <@Umby> None lol 03:17 <@Umby> Gurrhack is 3.6.2 I think 03:18 I like to have two sources of reflection and two sources of MR. 03:19 What levitation source do you have? 03:19 <@Umby> Ring 03:19 My favorite. :) What's the ring material? 03:19 <@Umby> Iunno 03:19 <@Umby> Shouldn't matter much here 03:19 I've had rings disintegrate or burn. 03:23 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:25 (Hmm. Evil's making me paranoid) 03:26 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Val Hum Fem Law) defeated Vlad the Impaler, on T:37522 03:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:27 Trapping the town watch is a bit irritating. 03:27 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Val Hum Fem Law) genocided rust monsters, on T:37529 03:29 <@Umby> Yeah, you're thinking of evil-isms 03:30 Still, my ring of slow digestion _did_ get disintegrate during my ascension game, in vanilla. 03:30 <@Umby> Backup sources in general are probably desirable if only because at Some Point™️ I have to enter the planes 03:30 <@Umby> I have shock resistance but I don't think that'll be an issue in comparison 03:30 Yeah - the most versatile backup is a spare wish or two. :) 03:33 Haivng spare wishes really saved my bacon in the planes, I was unprepared to how tough the elementals were there. 03:34 -!- drunkmonkey has joined #hardfought 03:39 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] winny (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1416 points, T:2373, quit 03:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:45562 03:50 Darn, I've miscalculated. How bad is it to murder if you're a samurai? 03:52 Hmm. That's become intellectual. 03:53 * Arahael is starting to wonder if nabru's ghost is *unkillable*. 03:56 <@Umby> Hmm, could use a ring of free action 03:57 <@Umby> Might already have it though for all I know 03:57 <@Umby> Could also retrieve that bugle to scare monsters with 04:00 <@Umby> Most of the other stuff I can think of is stuff I can write 04:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:28107 04:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:28109 04:01 <@Umby> Let's see where this takes us then 04:01 <@Umby> Good luck to ya Lobster 04:02 G'luck! Don't do what I do and get free action *after* fighting the shades. ;) 04:04 Argh my dog is stuck between two squares 04:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 692 points, T:1557, killed by a gnome lord 04:14 Heh, wonder if this might eventually be a unique way to kill watchmen: Trapping them between boulders... And throwing in a zombie. 04:15 most zombies are pretty weak 04:15 Yes, but they resurrect. 04:16 And can cause TermIll. 04:16 ah, you must be speaking of some variant 04:17 Oh, sorry - yeah, I'm in evil. 04:19 I can't seem to find the invisible watch captain, he's obviously not looking around for me very well at all. 04:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Werebane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:65259 04:24 yaaaaaay amateurhour's slex crash reproduces locally 04:24 this should allow me to fix it 04:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:28889 04:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Sam Gia Fem Law), 7419 points, T:5775, killed by a barrow wight 04:26 microlance: I missed that nabru's bones was also your bones. :( That's a damn tough barrowight. :( 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:29289 04:34 -!- Alasnuyo has joined #hardfought 04:34 Does anyone know if intrinsic protection gained from eating rings can be lost by wearing a helm of opposite alignment? The wiki's not very clear on this subject. 04:35 I'm talking about DNetHack in particular. 04:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Ran Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Scout, on T:30865 04:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) killed Baalzebub, on T:29541 04:47 !tell K2 alright, a fix for amateurhour's iron bar crash bug is ready to go at the slex master branch, and I also silenced a bunch of compiler warnings :) thanks for sharing the compilation report! 04:47 Will do, LarienTelrunya! 04:47 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 873 points, T:1436, killed by a bolt of lightning, while sleeping 04:56 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 04:58 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 04:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:29949 04:59 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 04:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] FalseLobster (Arc Gno Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:29950 04:59 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:00 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 05:01 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 05:02 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 209 points, T:646, killed by a crossbow bolt 05:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 63 points, T:158, killed by a fox 05:04 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 273 points, T:950, killed by a hobbit 05:11 <@Umby> There was spare speed boots in the armory. 05:11 <@Umby> This stupid shit is just gonna keep happening 05:19 [hdf-us] [evil] Bot (Inf Ith Mal Una) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7529 05:22 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3181 05:22 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3200 05:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1488 points, T:1486, poisoned by an orcish arrow 05:24 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3626 05:25 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) rejected atheism by offering a dingo corpse on an altar of Loki, on T:3631 05:26 [hdf-eu] [slex] AmyBSOD (Gen Bul Mal Neu), 743 points, T:531, killed by disturbing their deity 05:26 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law), 2204 points, T:3632, killed by a wand 05:38 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:1981 05:38 Stupid dog. If you're going to spend half your lifetime frozen by a floating eye, at least get the frick away from a gas spore. 05:59 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2303 06:03 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) made her first wish - "wand of death named save me please", on T:2544 06:04 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law), 1424 points, T:2544, cut down by a priestess of Odin 06:04 <@Contains milk.> oof 06:05 Cut down! 06:08 -!- Alasnuyo has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 06:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2287 06:14 YANI: Glass darts cause infection. 06:15 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 06:18 [hdf-eu] [slex] AmyBSOD (Cel Mag Fem Cha), 10644 points, T:1714, killed by a monster (blue mewlip) 06:18 oh man that run was fucked up 06:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1885 points, T:2535, killed by a djinni, while praying 06:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:14843 06:23 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 06:30 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3486 06:32 -!- Announcy has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 06:35 [hdf-eu] [slex] AmyBSOD (Acu Rus Mal Law), 1458 points, T:1340, burned by a fireball 06:35 apparently I'm simply too bad for this game 06:35 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4060 06:41 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Elf Fem Neu), 9008 points, T:7270, killed by an energy vortex 06:42 Well, that one was a wild run - fun, but ultimately not careful enough. Should've pray'ed. 06:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1494 06:46 Did you try centaur yet arahael? 06:46 mobileuser: No, the lack of boots is discouraging me. But perhaps it shouldn't, given that you can have helms of speed now. 06:47 think of it as starting with jumping boots :-) 06:47 Heh - can I enchant them? ;) 06:48 it's only 1 slot you can't enchant :-) 06:48 sup 06:48 mobileuser: You'll notice that run there was as an elvish monk. Being an elf isn't that much more difficult for monks, imho, as it turns out. 06:48 I just don't see real advantages to elf 06:49 2 extra points of int. 06:49 meh 06:49 I figured it might improve spellcasting with shields and crap. 06:50 does monk depend on int for spellcasting? 06:50 I'm not actually sure. 06:50 I tend to just naively do the blessed gain-ability thing. 06:51 blessed gain-ability = good 06:51 monk depend on wisdom 06:51 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:5578 06:52 Ah, well Elf also has higher wisdom. 06:52 checkmate :-) 06:52 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law), 2604 points, T:5591, killed by an orcish arrow 06:52 Centaur... Wisdom maxes out at 14. 06:52 And Int at 12! 06:53 yeah, not good for spellcasters 06:53 but centaur barbarian is ok 06:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:17739 06:53 One reason I'm playing with wizards predominantly is because I want to try a spellcasting role. 06:53 you start with speed at XP 1 as centaur 06:53 There's a few roles that do that. 06:54 Eg, Monk. ;) 06:54 but then centaur monk is not ideal ;-) 06:55 some melee roles can benefit 06:55 Yeah. I've been playing a variety of roles lately these past few days. 06:56 What I'm finding is that in the early game, finding food, and even more importantly, finding AC, are key drivers. Monks already have both of those down pat. 06:56 Monks start with remarkably good AC and plenty of food from the very start. 06:56 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law), 103 points, T:383, poisoned by a rotted elf corpse 06:57 I like monk, but I find the no body armour restriction is difficult in evilhack 06:57 I was able to easily get to somewhere around AC -10 in that last game, and I'd barely passed minetown at that. 06:58 I was hoping to be able to get high spec'ed enough to wear armour regardless but wasn't at that level. 06:58 in the later game it is nice if you can wear dragon scale mail for the intrinsics 06:58 like sickness resistance 06:59 Hmm - and evil does really heap on the sickness. 06:59 yeah that's what I find difficult about monk 07:00 That's a fair point. 07:00 there are ways to work around that 07:00 I found infidel loads of fun. 07:01 they are difficult but have some starting advantages 07:01 Never got far enough to actually convert an altar - seems I have to do some sort of same-race sac or something. (Wonder how illithid does it!?) 07:01 They do have a nearly trivial starting game. 07:01 yeah orc is easier 07:01 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:02 and that firehorn is nice 07:02 Extremely. 07:02 Felt a little unbalanced, though. 07:02 Oh, which reminds me. 07:03 YANI: When "someone is helping you", as an infidel, that means something should have gotten *cursed*. 07:04 ^ K2 evilhack YANI 07:05 I did wonder if I might be able to convert an altar by using the pet, but didn't get a chance to try that idea. 07:08 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 07:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:11 infidel is the only role where you can be happy to find orc town 07:12 Indeed, I was disappointed when I found it wasn't orc town. 07:12 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 07:12 there is also a mine's end version with moloch altars 07:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1633 points, T:2717, killed by a rothe, while praying 07:12 I lost my game again -_- 07:12 Ooh, that's an intriging possibility, too. 07:13 is k2 the only technical troubleshooter in here? They can't possibly be the only one 07:13 But in any case, except for the altar thing there, Infidel seems way too easy to start with, and rather unbalanced. 07:13 You can _almost_ kill a shopkeeper, even, especially if they try to zap fire at you all the time. 07:14 that's what you say now arahael, BUT 07:14 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Client Quit] 07:14 wait until you get a nice infidel going and a champion shows up and kills you ;-) 07:15 Heh, yeah - I've not really gotten past the early game in any role yet for evil. 07:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4957 07:15 mid game is very diificult for infidel 07:16 The closest I got was monks, general - or valkyrie or something. 07:16 I'm still learning to be more careful. Everything is just more dangerious in evil. 07:18 Perhaps I should do another vanilla monk game, just to ensure I've still got it? ;) 07:19 why not :-) 07:20 :) But probably somethign other than lawful. In my mind, I've "done" lawful human monk. 07:20 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:22 Just started a vanilla game. Going to be weird being able to do elberith from the get-go! 07:23 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3211 07:23 Hmm... turns up at 22:12, complains about the size of the team providing free technical support, and disappears at 22:14. Not sure what we are supposed to do about that :/ 07:24 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 07:24 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) had Gungnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:3784 07:24 Tangles: We could mock them. :) 07:25 they could have lost internet connection instead of quitting 07:25 That's possible, but it's such a common occurence in other channels. 07:26 Some people are just complainers. 07:26 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3913 07:27 Arahael: yeah possible lost connection. That seems to have been the cause of the game issues as well. 07:28 Tangles: clearly you need to establish a 24/7/365 on-call system guaranteed to respond to any inquiry within 30 seconds 07:28 Tangles: Unlikely, his quit message was "Client Quit". 07:28 Tangles: But actually, I seem to recall that Freenode sometimes changes those quits if it's a disconnection. 07:28 I thought unnethack gracefully handled hangups? 07:29 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 07:29 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 07:30 aosdict: I think sometimes the process can stay running (the system does not see the hangup, so it looks like the player is just idle). This is more likely a dgl/sshd issue than unnethack. 07:32 I'm pretty sure all dgl does when a session idles out is send a HUP signal anyway - most(all?) of our games catch a HUP signal and save the game. 07:32 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4833 07:32 Man, Vanilla feels easy 07:33 So really there should be no reason we can't just 'kill -HUP' the game process in that situation rather than waiting for the session to idle out. 07:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2908 07:34 if the game catches that gracefully, there is still a race condition with dgl AFAIR 07:34 the game needs to be able to save fast enough 07:34 if dgl starts a new game too fast, you got problems 07:35 Perhaps add a hardfought-specific mutex there? 07:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3091 07:38 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law), 3655 points, T:5372, mowed down by an imp 07:39 I'm not sure I understand a situation where dgl would be trying to start a new game after sending a HUP to an idle session. If the user logs in when no save exists, it'll prompt for a new game, which is bad if there's another one running (since the save does not exist when the game is running). There's the other situation where the game itself picks that it's already running and gives you the 10-second timer before sending a HUP... I can't 07:41 Tangles: you were cut off at "I can't" 07:41 oh really? interesting... 07:42 I can't remember how that works as I have not looked at that code for a long time. Actually that's what probably should be happening in this situation. Not sure why it isn't. 07:42 Tangles: probably hit the max line length 07:42 the worst situtation is if the previous game is gathering the data to produce the save, which in nethack means, it destroys the level data while doing so 07:42 IRC has a max line length. Some clients will automatically split when you go over it, looks like yours doesn't do the split. 07:42 and at the same time the new game trying to recover the previous game, as it looked like it's a crashed game. but this can't work, as the game state has already been partially deleted 07:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 4053 points, T:3738, killed by a fire ant 07:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1789 07:47 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 07:49 Arahael: I'm using irssi, but I think this particular install is an old version, for reasons which are both temporary, and will exceed the line limit again :P 07:50 Tangles: Fair enough - it's a shame irssi doesn't at least warn you when it's truncating. I *think* weechat will split it automatically, but it doesn't have athe old-school charm of irssi. 07:51 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 07:51 I have seen irssi do the split properly too (but that was likely on a more current version on my other machine) 07:51 Ah, perhaps that's it, then. 07:52 It's also entirely possible that the truncation is set at the wrong point in that irssi configuration - I don't know if the actual length is specified anywhere. 07:53 -!- picaresquieu has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:57 -!- picaresquieu has joined #hardfought 07:58 Tangles, aosdict, you've got me all wrong! I didn't mean to complain and I'm very sorry that it came off that way 07:58 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3118 07:58 On the contrary i'm low-key impressed with how prompt the response from you all has always been. I just don't want to be bugging the same one or two people with my tech illiteracy issues over and over, is all 08:00 picaresquieu: What did it for me was that in other tech channels, there is a fairly high number of people who join, ask or complain, and then quit. Unlike them, however, you came back, so in my mind you're pretty good now. :) 08:02 picaresquieu: It's fine, we are not offended :P 08:03 [hdf-us] [spl] hearsegirl (Val Ang Fem Law), 2554 points, T:3417, sent to the grave by a jaguar 08:03 Arahael: this set of other channels occasionally includes #nethack, too 08:03 :) somehow my IRC client, browser, and network connectivity are all finding new and mysterious reasons not to work today. This after my phone and my tablet crapped out in the last two weeks... gremlins, man 08:03 aosdict: :) 08:04 picaresquieu: You didn't get any water in your system, did you? ;) 08:04 That is something I would do, but no, I don't think that's it this time 08:05