00:00 [hdf-us] [spl] cdsboy (Pri Mer Mal Law), 889 points, T:1329, slaughtered by a desert jinn 00:03 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1830 00:06 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:15 fun fun fun 00:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 870 points, T:2287, killed by a hill orc 00:30 <@dexsg> lol healing potion was smoky 00:30 <@dexsg> i hope you enjoy your freedom mr. djinn 00:32 lul 00:32 At least it's not paralysis 00:32 Time to wish for a ring of free action :B 00:32 -!- hothraxxa has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:33 <@dexsg> I don't gotta wish for anything cause I died cause my healing potion didn't do much healing 00:34 <@dexsg> so I guess YASD, not checking the type of the potions you start with 00:35 -!- hothraxxa has joined #hardfought 00:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4930 points, T:3375, killed by a dwarf lord 00:36 <@dexsg> and i immediately get that same bones file which now has a hostile djinni 00:38 dexsg: At least it's not a bones file that has Juiblex in it. ;) 00:38 <@dexsg> This is true 00:39 Juiblex is free compared to fucking 00:39 Yeenoghu 00:39 (also I was joking with that wish but at this rate) 00:39 Heh, fair enough, but then... In that bones, I was at Xp 7. 00:44 Iunno if it was changed in fuckin' uh 00:44 3.7 00:45 but all you technically need is a wand of digging and a unihorn 00:45 <@dexsg> slightly nerfed how much damage wands of digging do to him 00:46 <@dexsg> he still can hit quite hard 00:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 16 points, T:109, killed by a succubus of Anhur 01:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 619 points, T:2621, killed by a giant ant 01:15 Umbire: I hadn't even reached soko, let alone minetown. :) 01:16 Umbire: Infact, that bones level was orctown, if I recall correctly 01:16 F 01:16 Umbire: I beat him, anyway. :) I've become quite good at fighting Juib... ;) 01:16 He can, but he's free hits when you're engulfed inside him 01:16 :B 01:17 Yeah, that's the appraoch I took. ;) Get engulfed, get as many hits in until you're too sick... At the very last turn, pray. Then wack again and hope you kill him before you're sick again. 01:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:5896 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Val Fem), 406 points, T:284, homunculus 01:20 No unihorn? 01:20 monkaW 01:21 (Incidentally my current priest would have a decent shot due to starting with cure sickness...) 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed DexSG's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:6091 01:22 Umbire: Not that early in the game. 01:22 <@dexsg> rest in piece, me from 1 game ago 01:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2784 points, T:6881, poisoned by a dart 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:65488 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Val Fem), 1318 points, T:1074, dart 01:40 I think this is going to be a good evil game. :) 01:40 But hate to think it's just due to luck. :( 01:40 (Luck: Found good armour early) 01:42 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Val Fem), 2649 points, T:717, zombie 01:52 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 662 points, T:3074, killed by a gnome lord 01:52 And I had a good feeling about that game! Got "smashed". 01:52 I was AC 1! 01:58 Well, nymph is dead, but bad news is there's no gen shop 01:58 Meaning no reason for me to lug about all this garbage 01:59 Plenty of armor though, just need to stock up on resists 02:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Ran Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1612 02:07 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Valkyrie ### Fem ###) genocided R dungeon wide on T:1872 02:07 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 02:11 "You seem unaffected by the poison" - does that mean poison doesn't affect me, or that I was lucky? 02:11 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 02:12 arahael: former 02:12 Nice. 02:12 * arahael wonders if that's a hobbit thing. 02:14 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Val Fem), 3683 points, T:2749, choked 02:14 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 02:23 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:29 Nah, with poison resistance you take scratch damage from poison stuff 02:35 I don't think hobbits have poison res. Wearing a ring or amulet of poison res maybe? 02:38 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 03:01 "Amazingly, you're having a hard time getting it all down!" 03:01 I quite enjoy being a hobit. :) 03:01 mobileuser: Nope. 03:05 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:06 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 03:10 which role are you playing? 03:11 Night guys 03:11 I'll update you if anything notable happens 03:12 Evilhack's mines seem frequently blocked by water. 03:12 amateurhour: Hobbit Tourist. 03:12 yeah it can really blow if you can't get a pickaxe 03:13 first evilhack game I played the mines was totally blocked off for me 03:13 I assumed it was intentional, like the mines were locked behind a pickaxe/water walking 03:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:13 so I started my second game as an arc to see what was in the mines 03:13 was disappointed to find the mines weren't blocked that time lol 03:13 It really varies. 03:15 *sigh*. Teleport trap, which was intentional but I've teleported into the one tiny spot on teh map that is completely walled off! 03:17 time to swim :^) 03:18 Indeed. I *hate* swimming. 03:21 A strange mental acuity? 03:21 > You feel a strange mental acuity. 03:22 I ate a Gnomish wizard... 03:22 yeah in evilhack you can get it from them too 03:22 any spellcaster iirc 03:22 yes, like eating a floating eye in vanilla 03:23 plus you now get to see any ESP capable creature on the screen 03:23 Nice. 03:23 nicehack 03:24 also, have you noticed that if you drop a bag on an altar, the contents get BUC identified? 03:24 so nice 03:25 overpowered, lets you BUC check scare monster, needs nerfing :^) 03:25 Oooh, nice, too! I haven't got a bag yet. 03:25 amateurhour: Heh, probably. 03:25 I'm just joking, it's really nice 03:25 I tried to name my elvish cloak "stealth", but it just doesn't seem to want to get named. :( 03:26 I do wish it'd re-stack items when the BUC check happens though 03:26 so you don't end up with multiple stacks of the same item 03:27 I'm a bit confused with all the so many different cloaks in the game. Is it worth keeping a 'hooded cloak' as an example. 03:27 they're the usual dwarven cloak 03:27 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 03:27 you just don't start the game with them identified 03:28 monks start knowing the id of a lot of items 03:28 I see. 03:28 I noticed that the tourist seems to know what the scroll of id is, automatically. 03:28 it's worth keeping them to sell them for cashmoney though 03:28 everyone does in evilhack 03:29 for cloaks in vanilla: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Cloak 03:29 What's a "strange object"? 03:30 usually a mimic in a shop 03:32 and if it's someting in your inventory, fruit from my bones 03:32 but I don't play evilhack so that's unlikely 03:33 that's a fun fruit name 03:33 I set it to "thing" for tournaments, in order not to confuse the newbies any more than they already are. 03:34 raisse: Yeah, that made me wonder the first time. ;) 03:34 When I first played nethack, I'd set it to "coffee bean". 03:34 ooh nice! 03:34 I leave it as slime mold lol 03:35 That's what I do now. :) 03:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Dem Fem Una) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:57983 03:51 * arahael misses being able to skill up to Grand Master 03:52 play a monk then :P 03:56 Heh. 03:56 elenmirie__ are you able to use the wand of orcus as demon? 03:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Tou Hob Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:6257 03:56 I couldn't in my infidel game, but I think k2 fixed something 03:57 What!? 03:57 oh, I'll give it a go then 03:57 I didn't hit with a wielded weapon for the first time... 03:57 I'm at 90% of my skill in "dagger"! 03:57 it's intentional that you can't I think mobileuser 03:57 oh wait! 03:57 yes sorry 03:58 you can't 03:58 evil L3 deleting fun in the name of 'game balance' 03:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Dem Fem Una) destroyed the invisible Vlad the Impaler, on T:58097 03:59 ok, I won't try then =:o 03:59 K2 giveth the wand of orcus and L3 taketh away 03:59 k2 fixed that only demons can use the wand of orcus, but not if you're the player 03:59 the notes said you couldn't 04:00 ah, ok 04:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Dem Fem Una) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:58100 04:00 trophy GET 04:01 Ah, I think maybe my "dagger skill" is both throwing daggers and wielding daggers. 04:01 yes, it will be 04:02 you know that closet on the middle level of vlad's tower that has a chest containing an amulet of life saving? 04:02 well, it also contained a gnomish soldier with a key 04:03 elenmirie__: You didn't have a lockpick, or something, by that point!? 04:03 that's not the issue 04:03 the issue is that the gnomish soldier unlocked the chest and put on the amulet of LS 04:04 bastard 04:04 yeah 04:04 that was MY amulet of life saving! 04:04 oh well, I'm wearing magical breathing so I'll just have to muddle through 04:04 :-) 04:05 Ah, fair enough. :) 04:06 *sigh*. This tourist is an incompetent fighter. 04:06 getting lifesaving is really difficult in variants where everything slaps it on 04:06 yeah 04:06 I had one early on, but it got used up 04:07 I can't even remember what killed me 04:07 maybe Kathryn 04:07 Who's Kathryn? 04:07 the Ice Queen 04:07 boss of a level in evilhack 04:08 Ah, nice. 04:08 yeah, I saw the livelog, it was mini-K2 04:08 right 04:10 can't remember, what changed in the plane of water in 3.6.x? 04:10 you can't use levitation to move around through the water 04:10 can you still swim? 04:10 with magical breathing, yes afaik 04:11 I don't tend to do that, so not totally sure 04:11 for some reason I thought you couldn't do that either, now I regret dropping magical breathing so often in vanilla lol 04:11 heh 04:12 Woah. I have a *demilich* on Dlvl8, and I'm a freaking Tourist at Xp 7. 04:12 Fast - of course it's fast. 04:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:5631 04:13 * arahael wonders how to get out of this oe. 04:13 *one 04:13 guessing it's a chameleon or something 04:13 do you know if it's a shapeshifter? 04:14 have you learnt elbereth? 04:14 I used a stethoscope. 04:14 No elbereth yet, though I think I can pray. 04:14 amateurhour even with magical breathing there are still water currents to deal with 04:14 And it's probably indeed a chameleon, but right now it's a demilich. 04:14 the turbulence isn't that bad if it's like in dnh, assuming you have magical breathing 04:15 ok... it was pretty bad in evilhack :-) 04:15 ah 04:15 of course it would be 04:15 And of course it's invisible. 04:15 arahael: do everything you can to stay away from it until it changes into something else 04:16 elenmirie__: It's *fast*, though. I don't think I"m fast. 04:16 I'd consider blinding it, but they can't see, can they 04:17 Hmm, it has a head, so probably blindable. 04:17 I'll move back one, then zap the camera at it. 04:18 Ok, my cloak has smoldered completely. 04:19 * arahael wonders if AC 7(63) is low enough to pray and actually have that heal... 04:20 It is! 04:20 it is, as you just found out :D 04:21 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Hermes, on T:36344 04:21 Ok, I escaped. :) 04:21 For now... 04:21 \o/ 04:21 ok I wanted a better weapon than a dagger, but Cleaver?? 04:22 a healer weilding Cleaver is always a bit of a cognitive dissonance 04:22 elenmirie__: I think I'm going to die soon - between two levels, and both are equally dangerious! 04:23 that can be tricky 04:23 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 4535 points, T:7202, killed by a warhorse 04:23 RIP 04:23 Not just any warhorse. A warhorse that had a dwarf rider on it. 04:23 oof 04:24 Ok, mines are far too dangerious. 04:24 New strategy: Avoid the mines. :D 04:25 I think I lucked out with shambling horrors - I killed the two in Vlad's and they never fought back 04:25 nice 04:25 maybe they're 'armless 04:25 arahael don't go too deep into the mines too soon, but don't avoid them 04:25 or maybe they have a totally devastating attack that they seldom use 04:25 like vorpal... 04:26 mobileuser: That was only one level below minetown. 04:26 yeah gets very dangerous below minetown 04:26 Ah, like almost immediately? Ok, so perhaps I should visit minetown and then get back out and do soko. 04:26 generally, just do minetown first and then come back when you're stronger to do the rest 04:27 I found an armour shop in the dungeons!! 04:27 wheee! 04:28 I'm stealing from it. :D 04:29 *sigh* 04:29 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 225 points, T:908, killed by a giant mimic 04:29 these tourists just turnin' up from outta town, stealin' from our shops 04:29 aw 04:30 shopkeepers are installing giant mimics just for security 04:30 Ok. Time for something different. 04:30 Tourists are damn hard. 04:30 yes they are 04:30 they're hard in vanilla 04:30 going from your first ascension ever to evilhack is already hard enough 04:30 lol 04:30 then add evil... 04:30 * arahael tries *one* more tourist. 04:34 what about an evilhack monk? 04:36 I'm playing with the different roles a bit. :) Next role will probably be wizard. 04:36 Though, a *neutral* monk could be interesting. I've always been *lawful* monk. 04:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided two random monsters from class c, on T:58660 04:44 <@Umby> !tell Umbire Literal note to self: Graverobbing applies to neutral arcs too, be sure to add that to the wiki when you get a chance. 04:44 I'm on it, @Umby. 04:50 Game idea: Pets shouldn't block boulders, they should automatically move out of the way if they can find a spot. If they can't, then they still block boulders. 04:50 Particularly in soko... It's a pita. 04:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Tou Hob Fem Neu), 1336 points, T:2330, killed by a wolf 04:53 I only take pets into a soko level if I have a magic whistle 04:53 I rarely get my pets tangled up, it's just a little awkward. 04:54 They're surprisingly predictable. :) 04:54 if you prefix your game ideas with YANI there's a script that automatically collects it 04:54 YANI: Pets move out of the way of boulders automatically if they have somewhere to go - otherwise they still block you in soko. 04:54 then aosdict manually reads through and adds it to a site that displays them everyfew months 04:54 Ah, neat. 04:54 https://nethack-yanis.github.io/all.html 04:56 Wizrd now, but which race... Hmm. 04:57 illithid :) 04:59 yes... I thin I'll do Illithid. :) 04:59 What the hell is a "psuedodragon"? :) 05:00 powerful pet 05:00 it's from D&D, a pet kind of like a dragon but not a dragon 05:01 they are not very good for stealing things from shops 05:02 my wizard hobbit died from hunger in a food shop because the stupid pet wouldn't bring the food 05:03 Ok, so far this is a trivially easy game - by comparison. :) 05:03 Oh, and I *started* with freaking MR! Nice. 05:04 speaking of pets - my Peggy starved 05:04 I'd been checking regularly but obviously not regularly enough 05:05 :-( 05:05 What's a "magical darkwood staff"? 05:06 you won't know until you identify it 05:06 but at least as a wizard you automatically know which items are magical 05:07 Ah, nice. So I'll definitely want to at least keep it until id'ed. 05:07 wielding a magical staff makes it easier to cast a spell from a particular school 05:07 Nice. 05:07 staff of war etc. etc. 05:09 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Elf-Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:2563 05:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1349 points, T:1331, killed by a large cat called Whiskers 05:09 Interesting. 05:10 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 4585 points, T:2732, killed by a soldier ant 05:10 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Ith Fem Cha), 1021 points, T:1593, killed by a plains centaur 05:10 That was... An interesting experience. 05:10 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Dem Fem Una) wished for "blessed wand of undead turning", on T:58863 05:11 that's such a sweet wish 05:11 Peggy <3 05:11 I got a wand of light - what gives? 05:11 huh 05:12 is your luck negative? 05:12 shouldn't be 05:12 I thought maybe the wish parser was being dumb but it worked for me in wizard mode 05:13 let me check 05:13 You are extremely lucky. 05:13 You have extra luck. 05:13 Good luck times out slowly for you. 05:13 :S 05:13 it says I cannot safely pray though 05:14 can't safely pray in gehennom 05:14 why is that i wonder 05:14 No god. 05:14 even as infidel? 05:14 you just made a wish 05:14 can't pray after a wish 05:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 347 points, T:1622, killed by a boiling potion, while sleeping off a magical draught 05:14 oh yeah 05:15 d'oh forgot infidel 05:15 oh, right 05:15 but why did the wish fail 05:15 do silver wands exist? 05:15 yep 05:15 I wonder if infidels are prevented from having undead turning for some reason 05:16 or maybe undead turning is silver? 05:16 because it's kind of strange that I never found that wand... 05:16 let me see if anything is silver 05:16 wand of enlightenment, which I just used 05:16 lol 05:17 so that's not it... 05:18 I'm betting there's some restriction on undead turning, it being sort of a holy thing to do 05:18 Why would I use a wand of probing? 05:18 I'm an Elf Wizard in this game. 05:18 A female, so hopefully a pretty one. :) 05:18 to check the status of a monster, or check statues to see if they have spellbooks inside 05:19 Ah, nice 05:19 what's your charisma? 05:19 9. Pretty low. 05:19 not very pretty then, lol 05:20 That's not a nice thing to say to a woman! ;) 05:21 * arahael is very into his current "role". :) 05:21 :) 05:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2140 05:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 59 points, T:383, killed by a boulder 05:22 Sad. Just sad. 05:22 I notice that a corpse *always* seems to have a trap, I should take that hint. 05:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 499 points, T:1828, killed by a little dog 05:23 Hmm, and do wizards always start with the same two rings? 05:24 no, random 05:24 Odd. 05:27 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 211 points, T:361, poisoned by a gnome zombie 05:27 You know what? I'll try something *really* easy now. 05:28 no such thing ;-) 05:28 * arahael picks "neutral, female human Monk". 05:29 giant monk is a little bit easier to start with, because you can collect boulders and throw them at zombies 05:30 Yeah, I'm scared of the low AC, though. 05:30 giants get a natural AC bonus 05:31 find good helmet, boots, gloves and it's not so bad 05:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 316 points, T:270, killed by a black pudding 05:31 I was trying to figure out the "speed system" - never could figure it out. :( 05:32 giant monk is straightforward until a little after soko 05:33 assuming the zambos don't get you 05:33 Zombies are surprisingly far more dangerious in evil. 05:35 What are they like with shields? 05:35 not sure, I know K2 cranked up the armour penalty 05:36 Ouch. 05:36 Of course he did. 05:36 I think I'll try wizard giant. 05:36 don't think he touched the shield bonus 05:37 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Gia Fem Neu), 0 points, T:1, killed by a boiling potion 05:37 lol 05:37 omg 05:37 That was a bloody stupid idea. Ok, no wizard giant, then! 05:37 take one step, dead 05:38 Yeah, a firetrap, by the looks of it, but *without* a corpse on it. 05:38 The game taunted me. "do not pass go". 05:39 Evilhack is... Evil. 05:40 what made you pick evilhack after your first ascension? 05:40 if you don't mind me asking 05:40 I got really confused looking at the variants list for the longest time and didn't know which one to try 05:40 so I just stuck with vanilla for ages 05:41 amateurhour: I was very curious - already tried a few evil games before the asc as well. But... I've been a decade and a half with vanila. 05:42 evil is sort of an amalgamation of the hardest variants, plus extra added evilness 05:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) had a cloth armor entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:37022 05:43 I had no idea, I thought it was just a nice, comfortable environment, kind of like using emacs if you're a vi user - there, you have evil, and are comfortable. ;) 05:43 lol 05:44 using emacs if you are a vi user is sort of hellish 05:44 elenmirie__: Well, that's why you specifically use evil-mode. ;) 05:45 elenmirie__: That way you can have an editor that both almost behaves like vim, and yet can do magical work such as: M-x butterfly 05:45 * arahael isn't joking about that. 05:49 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 370 points, T:1112, killed by a bolt of lightning 05:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Yukimai (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:9765 05:52 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Dem Fem Una) genocided master mind flayers, on T:59507 05:56 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 395 points, T:1712, killed by handling a pair of dwarvish boots that was made of iron 05:57 elf is not the easiest race 05:57 the penalty for iron items is severe 05:57 I... Noticed! 05:57 which is made worse by the fact that lots of early monsters have iron weapons to hit you with 05:58 Indeed. I also struggled to find food. 05:58 I'm used to having a huge stash of food. 05:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) had an apron entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:37205 06:00 Hmm, curious. It does not auto-identify things that have iron. 06:00 Eg, I put on a skull cap... And that hurt, as it has iron, apparently. 06:00 And yet, inventory does not mention that it's iron. 06:02 I named it 'iron', now I see other things like; "a bone helm called iron". 06:02 Hmm, so materials and object types are separate. 06:08 Seems that although Iron is bad, Steel is fine. 06:11 if no material is mentioned then it's iron 06:11 Interesting. 06:12 b - an uncursed +0 cloak of magic resistance (being worn) <-- Iron? ;) 06:12 no 06:12 I'm trying to think what default cloth is called 06:12 because "cloth" is also a possible explicit material 06:13 Hmm. 06:14 I suppose I should also obviously be *very* careful not to wear cursed iron stuff. 06:14 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 06:17 It must be, because a mummy wrapping is by default just cloth. 06:18 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1584 points, T:2505, killed by a gnome lord, while unconscious from rotten food 06:19 Food is rotten so *very* fast. I expect it's because it's cursed food? 06:19 Like, kill gnome. Walk 3 spaces to it. Eat it. Rotten. 06:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:66835 06:22 If a fresh corpse is rotten it's just bad luck 06:23 bad luck in the real - or bad luck in the game? 06:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1384 points, T:2504, killed by the wrath of Anhur 06:25 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 06:27 Oh, this level looks familiar... Is it a bones? 06:27 Looks like it! 06:29 Very difficult bones. 06:30 * arahael wishes he could ask him why he died. 06:31 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 541 points, T:2155, killed by a piranha, while being terrified of a ghost 06:34 * arahael thinks evilhack has taken too much inspiration from "1000 ways to die". 06:34 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 326 points, T:617, killed by a dwarf 06:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Lugh, on T:67620 06:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Yukimai (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (leocrottas), on T:10553 06:38 Are BoH's "magical"? 06:39 yep 06:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3028 06:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3049 06:41 -!- k-man has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a crude dagger on an altar, on T:3053 06:44 -!- k-man has joined #hardfought 06:45 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: Leaving] 06:46 Awesome. So can trivially identify a BoH. 06:46 It's convenient starting with a force bolt spell. 06:46 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 06:47 Hmm. "Never play leapfrog with a unicorn". I didn't need that visual. 06:52 Hmm. Fainting from hunger. And as it turns out, the prayer timeout was still there. 06:53 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1144 points, T:2972, killed by a giant mosquito, while fainted from lack of food 06:54 Ah, I only have hungerless casting if my int is above 17. 06:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:4904 06:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 66792 points, T:14842, killed by an incubus 07:05 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 591 points, T:1717, killed by a dwarf zombie, while fainted from lack of food 07:11 [hdf-au] [nh343] PeachMuffin (Kni Hum Fem Law), 0 points, T:1, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 07:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5618 points, T:7710, killed by petrification 07:21 arahael, you may want to read this if you havent already - https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/EvilHack 07:21 unless you prefer to not be spoiled 07:21 K2: I've skimmed it, but haven't studied it. 07:21 ok 07:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 436 points, T:907, killed by a jackal 07:21 K2: More time playing, less time working, and all that. ;) 07:22 read the backscroll this morning, noticed a fair amount of questions you've asked can be found on the wiki 07:22 hah 07:22 play at work?? no..... 07:22 :P 07:22 Heh. 07:22 what do you call the default material for cloaks, t-shirts etc K2? 07:22 Ah, I should re-read that page then, indeed. 07:23 leather? 07:24 but there are dwarvish cloaks and leather dwarvish cloaks 07:24 A leather T-shirt sounds unusual 07:24 cloth 07:25 I was right! :) 07:25 but there are leather gloves and cloth gloves 07:25 (Maybe not) 07:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7294 07:25 cloth is an explicit material 07:26 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a magical pair of hiking boots on an altar, on T:3019 07:26 read the wiki page :) 07:26 done that... 07:27 unless cloth is both the implicit and an explicit name? 07:28 I propose "hemp" for the implicit material :-) 07:29 heh 07:29 off to work bbl 07:29 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: No route to host] 07:29 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:29 laters. :) 07:30 I should get to bed soonish, myself. 07:32 Hmm, so soko no-longer has a guaranteed scrolls of earth. 07:32 Ah, picked up by that gnome. 07:41 and then they read the scroll as well and mess everything up 07:43 Whoops, soko is also not the place to mis-cast force bolt. 07:43 (As I just did) 07:46 Damn nymphs and their wands of dig in soko! 07:48 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 2870 points, T:5212, killed by withering away 07:48 !lastgame 07:48 arahael: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Alasnuyo/dnethack/dumplog/1603019135.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mmj/nethack/dumplog/1603106176.nh.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1603105522.evil.html 07:49 oh that's that mummy effect? rip 07:49 Yeah it is. Was just working out what I did wrong there. 07:49 you're playing evil! yay 07:49 I think I'm used to being "very fast". 07:49 early game is tough. yeah, try to get very fast 07:49 And my whole strategy seems to be based on that, I suspect. wack-wack-wack, run-run-run. 07:49 although getting very fast is vanilla strategy too 07:50 Yeah, but monks *start* fast. And I'm not currently playing monk. 07:50 you logged off right before i got on here the other day, but congratulations! 07:50 I saw - thanks for that. :) 07:50 good stuff and weaponless ! 07:50 and grand tour 07:51 Yeah - actually I was a bit disappointed that the planes and riders were so easy, though I did get life drained a bit more than I should've if I was playing more carefully. 07:51 conduct is legit. conversation turned to an argument about that lol. but it's hard to do imo 07:52 I wasn't actually trying to be weaponless. 07:52 in evilhack, monks are buffed... so martial arts are way better 07:52 Why is that? 07:52 weaponless is much more viable (and fun) 07:53 I thought it was sufficiently viable in vanilla? 07:53 because i dunno. it's just how he did it for game balance i guess 07:53 you get an extra turn once you reach grand master! 07:53 yeah it is 07:53 Ah, yeah, I heard that. 07:53 but evilhack is harder 07:53 so he made it comparable to having a weapon. I mean, Master Kaen is a badass... 07:54 It does make sense to be able to eventually hit as hard as one's own quest master. 07:54 i think i play monks different thatn others maybe. I cast lots of spells 07:55 and they can reach at least basic in every spell school 07:55 I cast lots of spells when I can, but I only managed to get magic missile at almost the very end of the game. 07:55 yeah, well that's the best time to have it... need a good ranged attack 07:55 And by that point, I needed to have two sources of MR for Rodney - he did end up stealing the eyes twice, afterall. 07:55 no $hit?!?! 07:55 Oh, sorry - *reflection*. 07:55 oh wow i wasn't here for that 07:56 and that was your first ascension? that's cool. it was interesting haha 07:56 he did that in my first 3.61 ascension 07:56 Sorry - let me re-phrase - correctly: 07:56 stole PYEC 07:56 and with PYEC you instantly have MR just by carrying, so now RODNEY had MR (can't death zap) and i didn't 07:56 I had to wear the eyes *and* have another source of MR - so that was the cloak of MR, as it turns out. 07:57 Yeah, I think I just meleed him. At that point I had something like AC 35. 07:57 AC -35, rather. 07:57 Let me get the asc stat... 07:57 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/dumplog/1602540914.nh.html 07:57 prior to 3.61 (or 3.6 whatever) he didn't used to steal a differen't role's quest artifact... so if you wished for a quest artifact that grants MR it was safe and lots of people did that to save the slot 07:58 Nice. I was also lawful, though. 07:58 oh yeah that's right 07:58 And by the time I had wishes, there were already artifacts (such as magicbane). 07:58 a lot of people on here are anti-quest artifact wishing 07:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2402 points, T:1953, killed by a horse 07:58 in vanilla, i get that... but evilhack? I highly recommend it lol 07:59 but here's the catch 07:59 I ascended with *spare* death and wishes, and an unused "oLS. 07:59 if you wish for artifact in evil? It's owner comes with it (chance) 07:59 Yeah, I noticed that. A great idea. 07:59 and you have to fight 07:59 yeah, it's crazy... some are easier than others 08:00 I seem to be the only one who does it actually. It's like taboo to wish for artifacts i guess 08:00 Yeah nah, I'd wish for an artifact. 08:00 Anything the game allows, is fine. :) 08:00 exactly 08:01 and that's why it's a conduct that is tracked 08:01 and some artifacts you can't wish for if you are the alignment. It's clearly part of the game 08:01 Right. 08:01 I'm trying to ascend lawful giant monk 08:02 How's that going? 08:02 so no good artifacts to wish for for mr. kind of sucks 08:02 need the amulet of mr 08:02 there's just no artifacts I'd want to wish for as a monk generally 08:02 or eyes of overworld obv 08:02 I'm trying to play female elvish wizard... Seriously hard in evilhack I'm finding. They're slow, too, compared to what I'm used to. 08:02 PYEC and EOTA are the BEST for a monk, are you kidding? 08:03 rebatela: What's your AC? 08:03 Oh, giant. 08:03 STill, what's the AC? 08:03 i mean pyec is good for anyone, but if i could wish for pyec it would solve all my giants problems... that's why i play neutral 08:03 !lastgame rebatela 08:03 arahael: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/dnethack/dumplog/1594575372.dnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/dnethack/dumplog/1567799550.dnh.txt 08:03 -13 08:03 and i don't think i've found enchant armor yet 08:03 Oh, that doesn't do current games. 08:03 i have dragonbane 08:03 and a helm of speed 08:03 that i found 08:04 (dragonbane was a wish) 08:04 <@microlance> ring of phul is nice as well 08:04 <@microlance> so chaotic is good 08:04 and i had to fight a player monster for it 08:04 phul? 08:04 who had a digging wand... 08:04 vanilla only has player monsters on astral plane 08:04 yeah ring of phul is great 08:04 chaotic tho 08:04 <@microlance> its the barbarian quest arti in evilhack. its a ring of free action that gives MR and disease res 08:05 yup... and you want to be wearing free action anyway so it's the best 08:05 11 rocks, for 220 zorks? You're kidding. 08:05 but in vanillla the magic mirror of merlin gives mr, and he changed it to reflection in evilhack (it's a mirror. i get it) 08:05 that would solve my problem tho 08:06 EOTA I can fully get behind, it's the only one I've been tempted to wish for 08:06 best artifact 08:06 and have done on my more spellcasty monks 08:06 if you're spellcaster 08:06 the PW gen is da bomb 08:06 and you get that jsut from carrying 08:06 but most vanilla games I end up leaning on marts anyway 08:06 3.43 you get MR from carrying... 08:06 maybe early robe loss 08:06 and wizard won't steal 08:06 way OP in 3.43 08:07 i like caseting polymorph etc. 08:07 monks can do that at 0% with robe/HoB maxed wis 08:07 never really been tempted to wish for PYEC 08:08 well, in vanilla I wish for EoTa for MR! 08:08 but in evilhack? 08:08 you will die in 1 turn 08:08 if you don't have mr and wish for eota lol 08:08 EoTa? 08:08 eye of the aethiopica... wizard quest artifact 08:08 Ah. Yeah, I was hoping to get that, actually - one reason I'm playing wizards :) 08:08 but if you wish for it in evilack you have to fight neferet the green... 08:09 and she will whoop your ass (even with MR, she is a fight) 08:09 yeah, it's much easier to get the right way... 08:10 so my point amateurhour, was that I will wish for PYEC first (for mr) Because Twoflower is a joke 08:10 then when i'm strong enough, wish for the eye.. SOmetimes i'll wish for the eye just to get it in the game, and I run away from Neferet... Leave her on the level to go back when I can fight 08:11 because evilhack artifact count counts bones and things you find on ground etc. 08:12 honestly I just get either amulet from soko and run with it (but I've also never ascended) 08:12 if I get the option to artiwish I go for dragonbane 08:12 yeah. that's a fair strategy 08:12 but it's tought to not go for the tool in soko 08:12 (tough for me) 08:12 there are no markers in the game really 08:13 and then can help immensely get your ac down etc. 08:13 that* 08:13 you've never ascended ONLY because you don't play it all that much, and you stopped for a while it seems 08:13 You'd totally ascend it if you played 08:13 I've got a giant samurai game going atm, not hugely far 08:14 Wait... rebatela Vanilla doesn't include bones for artifact wishes? 08:14 it does 08:14 same 08:14 some variants don't 08:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Gno Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed Fixed Helping Hand", on T:26069 08:15 sucks finding Sting in bones 08:15 or any weapon when you're playing weaponless 08:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Vagrant, on T:11057 08:15 Oh dear - again, I accidentally angered teh minetown watch. 08:15 or sacrificing something just to see if you can pray for holy water and you get like ogresmasher or somethign 08:15 can you cast sleep? 08:15 or wand? 08:15 I have a potion of sleep. 08:15 temporary soltion 08:16 nah. i mean you can wield it and hit one of them with it 08:16 Yeah, I made a typo! Bad time. 08:16 you'll probably miss if you trhow it 08:16 are you playing evil? 08:16 Yes. 08:16 be prepared to die a lot 08:16 it's fun 08:16 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1666 points, T:1637, killed by a watchman 08:16 Haha, I've died like 20,000 times. 08:17 you made a wizard to minetown. that's pretty good! 08:17 I've been to minetown like, 3 times in evil. Even managed to make it to mine town as a tourist. 08:17 But that's like playing the odds, I think I just got lucky. 08:17 Also managed to get to soko twice. 08:17 Not complete soko - just "get to soko". :) 08:18 just play more cautiously than you do in vanilla 08:18 Well, the thing is, I"m also playing non-monks. 08:18 it will make you much better at vanilla too... 08:18 yeah, you should try every role 08:18 (i should take my own advice) 08:19 So far all these years, I've only played lawful monks. 08:19 sometimes the mines and blocked and you can't get to minetown right away because of water 08:19 (i'm sure you've noticed this lol) 08:19 So I'm basically like, "wow, so some of these corpses are poisonous...", or "wow, these characters are slow... All of them...". 08:19 Yeah, I noticed. Sometiems I've had to swim. 08:19 ohhhh yeah... monks get intrinsic speed that's huge and poison resistance 08:20 Poison resistance, sleep resistance, all the stuff. 08:20 giants are fun too (hard tho) 08:20 they are slow 08:20 And I keep running out of food... Monks start with a huge amount of food. 08:20 As do hobbits, funnily e nough - I find them somewhat similar to monks in tersm of the food. 08:21 yeah... but the food monks start with. I use for taming pets... fortune cookies for cats/dogs, apples oranges for horses or any 'u' 08:21 Hobbits eat a ton, though - but then again, so does a spellcasting monk 08:21 but yes, wizards often have to pray for food early game (even in vanilla) 08:21 Yeah, but you like, only need 4 portions of food for the pets stuff. 08:21 Ah - good to know. 08:21 oh yeah haha hobbits always get hungry. that's funny 08:21 So not just me, then. 08:22 yeah if you play monk and see a warhorse throw it an apple/orange 08:22 Yeah, I do that all the time. 08:22 or those nightmares in evil 08:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Ishtar, on T:11767 08:22 there's a special branch with wooly mammoths... and giants can ride them! 08:23 Yeah - I happened dto have a banana playing as a tourist, couldn't figure out what to do, I had literally no option but: "Hmm, it's a u... Is it a unicorn? A horse? What? Can it be tamed? Does it... Eat banana?" 08:23 As it turns out, they do eat banana. 08:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:23 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 08:24 oh wow i never knew that 08:24 the zombies are annoying... have you had your brain eaten? 08:25 I've been killed by zombies in evil, yes, but not that, not quite. 08:25 The zombies are surprisingly dangerious. 08:25 they used to be worse... they were fast! 08:25 Mummies too. 08:25 What really makes it hard is the food limitations. 08:26 I want to play evil "slow", but I find i have ot keep moving about, etc, becaseu I just keep running out of food. 08:26 yeah but that's by design hehe 08:26 it's like a clock 08:26 eat corpses (not the zombies!) 08:26 I find the corpses are rotten quite often. :( 08:27 i eat everything i kill (even as monk) 08:27 because yeah you'll starve 08:27 Same. 08:27 ring of slow digestion 08:27 Actually I simply don't have a trouble with food as a monk. 08:27 i poypile for rings as soon as i can 08:28 I should try vegetarian conducts next time I play as a monk, perhaps. 08:28 yeah monks start with rations 08:28 rotten> freshly killed corpses are OK (they can give you "Bleech! Rotten food" but that doesn't kill you) 08:28 and all the pet food 08:28 Pinkbeast: Yes, but its very dangerious when there's a monster nearby. 08:29 I should try a hobbit wizard. 08:29 I removed the artifact wish failure because of existing artifacts in unnethack. it has significanlty less wishes than vanilla, go blow it on useless artifacts if you want to. 08:29 ok 08:29 thanks! 08:30 Generally looking back, I think scrolls of enchant armour and a magic marker are insanely useful. 08:30 Pinbeast: want to argue quartfiact wishing? LOL i'm j/k. Hope you are well 08:30 arahael: there are no random markers in evilhack.. you will never find one, and you can't polypile unicorn horns for them 08:31 that's evil 08:31 sooooo the one in sokoban (50% chance if you go for tool) is the only one 08:31 rebatela: I did notice that. I'd be using the majority of miy wishes for one. 08:31 and the high priest in molochs has one 08:31 arahael: Well, the worst case is pass out for 10 turns... and a ration can do it to you just like a corpse. 08:31 well,, you will learn to play markerless.. 08:31 Pinkbeast: Even uncursed rations? 08:32 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Comestible#Rotten_food 08:32 also kathryn the ice queen has a 10% chance of marker... 08:32 (per source diving... i haven't actually GOTTEN one) 08:32 K2: there is a heck level and a branch in unnethack that gives a magic marker. want to steal them? 08:33 Pinkbeast: I've lost a fair few evil games so far when eating somethign "rotten" and then there's a monster attacking me. 08:33 Pinkbeast: And if I'm a tourist... No chance! 08:33 bhaak: I'm going to play unnethack i think 08:33 is monk fun? 08:33 I have no clue (-: 08:33 never played them 08:33 rebatela: You're asking that as if you've never played monk! 08:34 i've never play unnethack! 08:34 maybe monks suck in unnethack lol 08:34 the ice queen goal level also has a 10% chance for a magic marker in evilhack 08:34 i just said that! 08:34 tell me if they do, I don't know :-) 08:34 rebatela: "playing markerless" practically negates one of the skills of a wizard. 08:34 ha, overlooked 08:35 that's a fun branch 08:35 I like to do it with pets... 08:35 and there are wooly mammoths and mastodons to tame 08:36 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 3536 points, T:2846, killed by a dwarf 08:36 a magic maker alternating a bag of holding. how much do players hate evilhack's soko? 08:37 Well. Can you find a BoH randomly in evil? 08:37 I think I could probably play BoH-less. 08:37 But getting the AC really low is astonishingly effective, especially if you can't wear body armour. 08:38 It was why I was trying to do prot runs as a tourist if I started out with enough gold - but evil's mines are just too dangerious. 08:38 the reason i've never play unnethack, nh4, etc. is because I didn't like curses and it seemed like only option? But i've been coming around to curses in evil, vanilla, etc. 08:38 or fiqhack. now i can play that too 08:38 rebatela: What's wrong with curses? 08:39 unnethack has tty and curses 08:39 What's the difference (to the user)? 08:40 oh yeah it's tty 08:40 i want curses..i need to change 08:40 i never like curses 08:40 they are not completely the same. larger message area in curses, some key bindings that work slightly different 08:40 liked* 08:40 but it's growing on me. I resisted for longest time 08:41 I'd find it very hard now to go back to a single-line message area 08:41 Pinkbeast: if it looked like DCSS' message area, I would maybe agree. but it's one grey soup of text 08:42 i ctrl-P a lot 08:42 but i just did the copy rc file thing from evil to unnethack but it's not curses 08:42 I'm actually not wild keen on that angry fruit salad, I'd like just bold/bright for current turn's messages, grey for previous turns 08:42 i hope i didnt screw up my evil rc file 08:42 YANI: Hobbits should always start with a very useful ring. 08:43 -!- Bugpowder has joined #hardfought 08:43 it keeps going to tty 08:44 oh i see it's blank... I'll just copy paste myself 08:44 http://www.chiark.greenend.org.uk/~damerell/games/montresor/montresor006.png was pretty well what I wanted 08:44 (unsurprisingly, since it's what I did while attempting to write a roguelike) 08:46 I've never tried to write a roguelike. 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Yukimai (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 8091 points, T:11624, killed by a hill orc 08:46 It's not actually compulsory :-) 08:46 Heh, just thinking it's odd, I'm surprised I didn't try as a kid. 08:46 (I've no time now, anyway) 08:46 this is one of the first variants, right bhaak? 08:47 * rebatela is a variant n00b 08:47 I think there's a variant timeline/tree on the wiki 08:47 In any case, why "evil" - I'm finding that evil is actually much more interesting. 08:47 Way harder, but also much more _interesting_. 08:48 rebatela: well, if you look at https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/images/5/5a/VariantHistoryGraph.jpg it's slightly under the middle line :-) it started in 2009 08:48 yeah. it's not original to evil, but just coming from vanilla all the way items can be made of different materials and have magic properties when you fully identify them is really fun 08:48 https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/images/5/5a/VariantHistoryGraph.jpg - short answer, no, Un is one of the vast flowering of 3.4.3 variants 08:49 arahael: dragonhide gear is great! 08:49 playing unh now. giant ring store on DL2 08:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 133 points, T:650, killed by a kobold 08:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 75 points, T:159, killed by a water moccasin 08:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 63 points, T:110, killed by a jackal 08:53 arahael - 'evilhack' had a better ring to it than 'interestinghack' 08:53 K2: Yeah, I really like it. 08:53 awesome. i'm glad that you do 08:53 that's probably fake news 08:53 nethack devs suck at naming things 08:53 imo it gets better with each version. 0.7 is gonna have some neato stuff 08:54 bhaakhack 08:54 K2: Only tip is that massive page on the wiki for evilhack is a bit too much to take in one go. 08:54 no dev ever names their variant after themselves... 08:54 * K2 looks at FIQ 08:54 acehack 08:54 when will evilhack actually become evil though :P 08:54 arahael yeah you're not wrong 08:55 i just havent gotten around to splitting things up 08:55 arahael best to just play and then look on the wiki when weird things happen 08:55 unnethack is actually "unnamed nethack", so I'm the only one not sucking at naming variants 08:55 hah 08:55 K2: It's probably better to just write a new page for the summary, key differences and that sort of thing, and just let players discover for most of it. And have a link ot the existing "comprehensive description" page. 08:56 K2: Ie, don't even bother mentioning the specific roles and all that, we can see that if we log in and select ourselves. :D 08:56 https://yarn.co/yarn-clip/99594ae5-a0f7-42dd-b8da-833fe5bf0d10 08:57 I like seeing an overview of the roles on the wiki! 08:57 K2: And a tip or two to help us survive would be good! Ha. 08:57 the beauty of the wiki is, its public. anyone can make those edits :) 08:57 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:57 mobileuser: Sure, I'm not suggesting that they should be removed, only on like, page 2. ;) 08:58 you can also have a summary and link to more in depth articles 08:58 Exactly. 08:58 K2 make one page per new things in evilhack and leave it barebones so the community has to step in 08:58 so when will you have that all finished arahael? :) 08:59 But my biggest challenge to evilhack, I think, is comming to terms with two things: Food is scarse, and non-monks are slow. (I always play monk) 08:59 K2: Heh. Fair point. ;) 08:59 I'm still waiting for unnethack to be documented thouroughly 08:59 arahael - i didnt make any changes to food frequency or corpse generation 08:59 K2: I'd need to play a lot more evil before I'm happy enoug to document, I think. 08:59 nor did i alter race/role speeds 09:00 giants are a tad bit slower 09:00 -!- loli has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.9] 09:00 K2: Yeah, but I'm very very used to monk - however, with evil, I'm playing different stuff. A self-imposed challenge, I guess - but with evil being that much harder in general just makes it a bigger difference. 09:00 the main problem is that compared to vanilla it is less easy to just steam ahead 09:00 Right. 09:00 so food becomes a bigger problem 09:01 And when you always play a particular role that starts with a huge pile of food... 09:01 And is always 'fast', well, my strategies seem to be accustomed to that. 09:01 hobbits are hard. they can put away a LOT more food before becoming satiated and have food sense, but they also have intrinsic hunger 09:02 K2: Yet, they can also identify their food much better. 09:02 yes. 'food sense' 09:02 Ah, that - yeah - which means that coming across a corpse, you can be certain it's safe. 09:02 exactly 09:02 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 09:02 I'd *love* to play a hobbit with a ring of slow digestion. ;) 09:02 making hobbit race and playing/ascending one was challenging but fun 09:03 challenging = fun 09:03 Hobbits should auto-identify the ring of slow digration: "You feel the life has been sucked out of you." 09:03 *digestion 09:03 heh 09:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Ran Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Trailblazer, on T:3089 09:05 K2: That 'food sense' is really useful in the early game too, though, as it's often dark. 09:05 Especially in the mines. 09:06 Oh, speakig of which - I noticed I have almost no way to cope with invisible characters. I'm used to having intrinsic see-invisible! :D 09:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2063 09:07 :) 09:07 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2793 09:09 mobileuser: Oh, and yeah - my strategy in nethack is basically wack-wack-wack, run-run-run, as a monk... Very hard to do in evil, I'm finding I have to actually think more. 09:10 thinking is an overpowered strategy 09:10 nerf pls 09:11 * arahael does frequently play tired... Does that count? ;) 09:11 what I find frustrating as starting monk is lack of a good ranged option 09:12 EPI (has probably been mentioned before): you have 5 seconds to make a move, otherwise the game counts it as "you did nothing this turn" and advances to the next one, skipping past all messages that would have appeared. NetHack: real time mode! 09:12 that should fix the OPness of thinking about your move! :D 09:12 LarienTelrunya: I'd not play that at all! 09:13 -!- Bugpowder has quit [Quit: Bugpowder] 09:13 arahael: if you like a challenge perhaps you'd like to take on slex? :^) 09:13 slex is *harder*?!? 09:14 you can count on two fingers the number of people other than the creator that have beaten it 09:14 Woah. Hmm, on the other hand... That does rather level the playing field... 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Yukimai (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 293 points, T:933, killed by a kobold 09:14 slex is in its own category 09:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3654 09:14 well my hope is still that I can actually release the next slex version soon, tomorrow I have a day off and can work on it 09:15 * amateurhour changes nick to evilhour 09:15 but, we'll let slex speak for itself 09:15 LarienTelrunya: AFAIK, the multiplayer acehack worked a bit that way. 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Ran Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3547 09:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) had an elven dagger entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:40910 09:16 \o/ 09:17 finally a weapon with enchantment 09:17 slex may speak for itself but it doesn't MATTER what slex thinks or says because slex is WORTHLESS 09:17 and teamsplat is gonna wreck GentlePeepToesHighHeels shit 09:17 woah 09:17 <{Demo}> OrderOfTheGlockatrice might make a showing this november, idk 09:17 order of the who now 09:18 <{Demo}> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/767738326651895818/orderofglockatrice.png 09:18 nice 09:18 lol 09:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:3053 09:21 let the smack talk begin... 09:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 3048 points, T:4591, killed by an ape 09:21 * amateurhour smacks K2 09:22 my kid hits harder than you do 09:22 :P 09:23 she can also cast 'acid blast' so... 09:23 I won't join in - I died to grid bugs a few times in evil! ;) 09:23 * aoei is just warming up 09:23 G'night! 09:23 cya arahael o/ 09:23 sleep well! 09:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 116 points, T:866, killed by kicking an altar 09:25 [bhaakscroll] nethack devs suck at naming *variants*, sure, but when they create new things in game and name those, it usually goes okay. 09:26 <{Demo}> speak for urself :P 09:27 aoei: you're just afraid because the gentle peeptoe high heels are going to break your legs even though they're velvety-soft! ;) 09:27 <{Demo}> *some* variant devs are ok at naming new things created 09:28 Amy: nah, I thikn it's something else, but I'm not quite sure what 09:29 Amy: oh! I remember why. It's because you and your clan are all pathetic losers who would be lucky if they survived long enough to see the Oracle 09:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 7499 points, T:4259, killed by a priestess of Chih Sung-tzu 09:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 8 wooden darts on an altar, on T:3038 09:30 but at least they were wise in choosing Amy to be the clan boss, the most pathetic loser of them all for clan worthlessPeepToes 09:31 lol where did you learn that, I've never seen anyone but myself smack talk like that when a tournament is coming 09:31 <{Demo}> oh yeah? catch me in the deathmatch branch 09:31 <{Demo}> in 2021 i heard they'll let u put YOURSELF in the swap chest 09:32 Amy: I have some experience in this field :3 09:33 {Demo}: i will be in the deathmatch branch waiting for you, but I already know you are too chickenshit 09:33 so i will bring some entertainment 09:33 <{Demo}> ill kick ur shit in (cause iirc thats the only way to damage enemies in there because their armor is way too op to actually ever land hits on them) 09:34 pfffff u can try 09:34 but ur char so weak i punch you one-handed while stressed confused and blind 09:34 and u still will lose 09:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:7284 09:36 {Demo}: you are worthless garbage and I question even a loser clan like PeepToeShitters accepting the likes of you 09:36 <{Demo}> order of the glockatrice gonna turn u 2 stone then bounce bullets off ur statue 09:37 please 09:37 you couldn't bounce gems off a jelly 09:37 especially as the teams are limited. you can't just take anyone, you have to choose wisely! btw, I know a tournament where teams are not limited 09:37 bhaak: are you plugging junethack right now 09:37 <{Demo}> wait how small is team size? i saw it was a thing in the perl shit 09:37 in october 09:37 yeah and the tournament where teams are not limited is much better :P 09:38 aoei: it's never too soon 09:38 <{Demo}> i cant handle junethack again so soon 09:38 unlimited clan size is great for the one winning megaclan and not fun for everyone else 09:38 <{Demo}> aosdict when does the biggest clan win in jnh? 09:38 <{Demo}> which years? 09:40 Idea: tournament in which clan size is limited in some way by the median/mean clan size 09:40 aosdict: doesn't matter, a clan of three (Treeru, Lushdream & .. idk Adeon or Tonehack or someone) will wreck us all 09:40 <{Demo}> aosdict, u gotta be careful with something like that cause ppl will register and clan up a bunch of sandbag accounts 09:41 yeah unfortunately many players are scummy bastards who will exploit dumb shit like that 09:41 <{Demo}> well u dont wanna give an incentive to 09:41 yeah 09:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1648 09:41 i mean i agree with you for once, even tho you are the dumbest most useless nh player to grace this earth 09:42 aosdict: comparing teamsplat to second ranked OrderOfTheCockatrice shows that the latter had one member more than the former 09:42 oh teamsplat actually won a tournament 09:43 I misremembered as years of ootc sweeps 09:43 well yeah 09:43 we won like one time 09:44 F 09:44 teamsplat won a lot in the devnull days before ootc 09:45 and 2016 and 2015 09:45 which were the devnull days before ootc 09:45 ok cool so we did win some 09:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed mmj's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2510 09:46 <{Demo}> do the slexual offenders ever win jnh? 09:46 <{Demo}> i cant remember 09:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2549 09:46 given you're all pathetic scum ... seems unlikely 09:46 <{Demo}> shoe shoe shoo! 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a steel dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:4010 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed nekochan's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:2633 09:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2434 points, T:2807, killed by a fire ant 09:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:39682 09:50 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a leather robe entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:4231 09:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) stole 9598 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Angmagssalik's general store, on T:2125 09:57 !booze 09:57 * Beholder passes nabru a glass of grappa, distilled by NotTheOracle\dnt at 339 Kelvin. 09:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:2424 10:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:3526 10:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3526 10:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed dgoddard's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:4057 10:16 the many exploits of dgoddard the adventurer 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Ran Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8207 10:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:4890 10:26 does dgoddard ever do anything else except quit? 10:26 oh wow they do 10:26 i only remember htem for quitting a loot 10:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) murdered his faithful garter snake, on T:42845 10:29 poor snake was hidden... 10:29 Double-edged sword, that 10:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Mal Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:16601 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] bouquet (Sam Hum Fem Law), 993990 points, T:38229, killed by an orange dragon, while reading a book 10:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 435 points, T:811, killed by a dwarf 10:29 I'd probably ditch that snake as soon as possible honestly 10:29 IIRC they don't evolve. 10:30 note to self: don't read unidentified spellbooks in the wizard's tower. 10:33 !lastgame bouquet 10:33 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/nethack/dumplog/1602913957.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/b/bouquet/nethack/dumplog/1576989832.nh.html 10:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 373629 points, T:27663, crushed to death by a collapsing drawbridge 10:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Yukimai (Tou Hum Fem Neu) chose a runed dagger to be named "Sting", on T:1747 10:40 bouquet :( 10:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 14649 points, T:6854, petrified by a cockatrice 10:40 and @Somidna damn... 10:41 RNG is on point this morning 10:41 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) was given Plague, on T:38379 10:41 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:43 ...Confers poison resistance and sickness resistance while wielded 10:43 great for an orc convict. 10:43 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 10:45 heh 10:45 10:46 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 267 points, T:274, killed by a giant bat 10:52 Tangles: gremlins incoming 10:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:8022 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Yukimai (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 284 points, T:2104, killed by a water moccasin 10:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:28987 10:58 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 11:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:1435 11:10 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu) heard a rumor from The Oracle, on T:6771 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Bar Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3951 11:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Aya (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1040 points, T:791, killed by a killer bee 11:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:19385 11:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:2131 11:23 [hdf-us] [fh] deoac (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1958 points, T:227, quit 11:28 [hdf-us] [nh4] aoeu (deoac) (Kni Hum Fem Law), 1382 points, T:67, quit 11:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Bar Orc Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:4726 11:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:32265 11:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Hea Hum Mal Neu) wished for "the blessed fireproof +2 Cloak Of The Unheld One", on T:32370 11:37 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 11:38 * Umbire coughs. 11:38 cover your mouth 11:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 617 points, T:603, killed by a gnome lord 11:39 No message? 11:39 Umbire: Message from @Umby at 2020-10-19 04:44 EDT: Literal note to self: Graverobbing applies to neutral arcs too, be sure to add that to the wiki when you get a chance. 11:40 And thought so. 11:40 Doesn't work with /me. 11:40 !tell Umbire it doesn't trigger when you use /me 11:40 No worries, amateurhour, I've got this! 11:40 * Umbire swats amateurhour 11:41 🗞️ 11:41 Umbire: Message from amateurhour at 2020-10-19 11:40 EDT: it doesn't trigger when you use /me 11:42 -!- post163 has joined #hardfought 11:43 -!- post163 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 11:50 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:52 k2: arahael: why 'evil' ?!? you'll see... 11:54 i mean, there's no prompting "Would you like to step in the lava and ruin your game? y/N ? " 11:55 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 11:55 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56 there is in nice variants 11:56 also in slex 11:57 In NH4, it doesn't prompt you yes/no. It just stops you, unless you use the F prefix to force it. 11:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Student of Metals, on T:40480 11:57 You harmlessly attack the lava. 11:57 Or, wait. 11:57 Ok, maybe it isn't F, maybe it's the "just go there" prefix. I forget the binding. 11:57 m? 11:58 Might be m, yeah. 11:58 The game tells you how, if you try to step into lava without it. 11:58 But it's not something you're likely to do by accident. 11:58 mm 11:58 Be save around ~~trains~~ lava. 11:59 It's useful to be able to, in case you know you are wearing non-formally-identified fireproof water walking boots. 11:59 UnNetHack does that too 11:59 (In Fourk, this even identifies the boots.) 11:59 IIRC doing this was supposed to identify the boots, but it didn't seem to last time I tried it. 11:59 It doesn't in NH4. Should. 11:59 But does in Fourk. 12:00 Not sure if FIQHack cherry-picked that fix. Probably. 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Bar Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8489 12:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a steel dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:5953 12:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:40649 12:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:40660 12:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:40689 12:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law), 100 points, T:775, killed by a giant mimic 12:26 hi 12:26 Hello FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 12:26 <{Demo}> hey fiq 12:26 <{Demo}> can monsters in fiqhack use grappling hooks? 12:27 Hi 12:27 Hello Umbire, Welcome to #hardfought 12:27 no 12:27 what would they use it for? 12:28 <{Demo}> to pull the player to them 12:28 I don't even use grappling hooks as a player... 12:28 you can do that? 12:28 <{Demo}> you can pull monsters to u with it, yeah 12:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Master Kaen, on T:41403 12:29 cool 12:29 I had no idea 12:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:3307 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:5545 12:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:40944 12:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:40950 12:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41540 12:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12159 12:36 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:4149 12:37 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 12:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4502 12:42 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 12:43 I like dtsund's idea for grappling hooks (from role overhaul). 12:44 But it requires technical overhaul of the dungeon and level data structures, so needless to say it will never be implemented. 12:45 <{Demo}> what is it? 12:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:6610 12:46 use grappling hooks as 2-way transport up and down holes 12:46 His idea was that they could be applied to a hole in the floor to create an additional way to get down to the next level and a corresponding way back up. 12:46 And he wanted to make them stackable and start the arc role with a dozen or so of them. 12:47 In order to assist with making Arc the "avoid trouble by going around / running away" role. 12:47 And almost certainly lighten them 12:47 that sounds great, like a fireman's pole down to the sanctum 12:47 Probably that too. 12:47 Well, you can't create a hole in the floor on the VS level. 12:48 I had to sharply cut the weight of beartraps in order to not have rangers just dump their starting ones 12:48 like a fireman's pole down to the vibrating square then 12:48 Yeah, I'm not sure if dtsund ever considered the impact this would have on the asc run? 12:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:6889 12:48 maybe you just won't find enough grappling hooks 12:48 to significantly affect it 12:49 I mean, people could polypile for them. 12:49 Imagine. 12:49 -!- joes_ has joined #hardfought 12:50 But he probably figured that dungeon-overhaul could deal with the ascrun issue, and was likely to change how it works anyway. 12:50 Because basically everyone hates the 343 mysterious force. 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 3117 points, T:7138, killed by an orcish dagger 12:50 mysterious farce 12:51 he never wrote a dungeon overhaul proposal did he? 12:51 never seen one 12:51 I don't think so, no. 12:51 He was going to. 12:51 But we delayed it "until 4.3.0 is released", thinking, at the time, that that would be a couple of weeks. 12:52 We didn't realize that "weeks" here could be taken in the Daniel 9 sense. 12:52 (Where a week is seven years.) 12:54 Well, yes, but a bunch of other people wrote dungeon overhaul proposals at that time. 12:56 So he might have. 12:56 is 4.3.0 ever coming at all or no? 12:56 ais doesn't really seem interested in further nh4 development 12:57 No. 12:57 A bunch of other people wrote dungeon overhaul proposals later. 12:57 Much later. 12:57 By which time dtsund hadn't been heard from in a while. 12:58 -!- joes_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:58 I mean, by then, 3.6.0 was out already. 12:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 9781 points, T:6236, killed by a horse 12:59 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 13:00 Maybe 3.6.1 even. 13:00 ais had joined the dev team. 13:02 Anyway, _at this point_, ais has as much as said that if he were going to do a future release of NH4, he would want to start from FIQHack. 13:02 Because it's closer already to what he wants, than NH4 is. 13:03 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 13:04 would that involve stripping out stuff like potions of wonder and rings of carrying 13:04 changing certain mechanics to reflect vanilla 13:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:22382 13:09 aosdict: Probably. 13:09 In fact, if the ring of carrying lets you carry more stuff, then almost certainly. ais doesn't really believe in carrying around a lot of stuff, in NetHack. 13:10 At one point, he had an idea for limiting the player's inventory to three slots. 13:10 fun voluntary challenge, maybe. fun game overall, no 13:10 Indeed. 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:13555 13:11 However, I never really got the impression that ais' personal philosophies were what was guiding nh4. 13:11 Removing ring of carrying would be less because "I don't like packratting" and more because "it doesn't exist in vanilla" 13:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:12 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:16 aosdict: Maybe. 13:17 I think he would, if he had unlimited time and energy, want to add a role with sharply limited carry capacity. Druid, probably. 13:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Bachelor, on T:4062 13:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4184 13:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:4232 13:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:4256 13:20 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 245 seconds] 13:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "q", on T:4487 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1308 points, T:3016, killed by a gas spore's explosion 13:31 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:31110 13:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law), 2090 points, T:4795, killed by a mumak 13:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 10573 points, T:10108, killed by a watch captain 13:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Ishtar, on T:23538 13:42 tfw saved from random polymorph trap by unID'd unchanging 13:45 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Bar Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:9477 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2000 points, T:782, killed by a fire ant 13:56 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:10 <@Umby> Bad news, last arc was splatted long ago, good news, this one (that I just posted about as recently as 30 min. ago) is going swimmingly 14:10 <@Umby> Lost a pet baby dragon but it wasn't the grey one at least 14:11 <@Umby> And found the bones I lost to bad poison arrow rolls while having early poison res 14:12 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Bar Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10856 14:14 <@Umby> also got a lot of quality armor + power gauntlets early on 14:15 nice 14:15 <@Umby> First protection roll was max so I'm at -10AC 14:15 <@Umby> How much of that got thru btw 14:15 4 lines before I said nice 14:16 <@Umby> Discord exploded as I was se ding this 14:16 <@Umby> sending* 14:16 <@Umby> Good 14:16 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/767813423353954335/Screenshot_20201019-141551.png 14:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:25471 14:16 <@Umby> Most recent of that armor set is the helm, lucked into discovering which scroll was remove curse 14:20 <@Umby> now to make holy water down the line and uncurse some other shit 14:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class U), on T:42979 14:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) genocided class L, on T:42980 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2892 14:27 [hdf-us] [slex] GenEric (Pro Ang Mal Law), 11 points, T:54, killed by overexertion 14:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Wayfarer, on T:25924 14:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:14807 14:31 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 60303 points, T:12432, killed by a horse, while frozen by a spellbook 14:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered a shop, on T:3053 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Bar Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:12048 14:36 [hdf-us] [slex] GenEric (Arc Bat Mal Law), 2123 points, T:322, quit 14:37 Yey, Sarge is a big gray now 14:42 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 228 points, T:570, killed by a jellyfish 14:43 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 14:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2231 14:48 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:12795 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) was crowned "The Hand of Elbereth" by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:41460 14:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Reconnoiterer, on T:16172 14:51 <@luxidream> aosdict: do you think the ring of carrying is differentiated enough from gain str/gain con? 14:52 <@luxidream> for characters with low carrying capacity who would need the ring, the 5% boost isn't much better than those 14:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:16284 15:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2439 points, T:1603, killed by a giant mimic 15:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby orange dragon, on T:17445 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 42823 points, T:13463, killed by an orc mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:42947 15:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) had an elven cloak entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:44926 15:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:16610 15:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 411 points, T:1043, killed by a newt 15:17 carrying is also useful when maxed out on str and con 15:18 gain con is differentiated well enough I think because of its effects on hp regen (and eventually hp max) 15:19 gain str... idk would you say to delete it in favor of carrying? 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bartlem (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1578 points, T:1104, killed by a magic missile 15:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6093 15:19 it's pretty useless after the early game when you have access to giants or spinach 15:20 and str is either maxed out or somewhere in 18/xx where additional percentage points aren't going to move any needles 15:20 <{Demo}> ring of carrying is epic 15:20 <{Demo}> dont say anything mean about it 15:22 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:45143 15:23 what else is worth genoing in slash'em? 15:23 I didn't need to teleport to get the luckstone from the sewers. Is that different between games? There is another gray in the closed off room. 15:23 <{Demo}> shoggoth and giant shoggoth 15:23 guessing LVZP are the usual genos? 15:24 <{Demo}> fuck shoggoth 15:24 <{Demo}> yeah fuck V 15:24 <{Demo}> fuck Z 15:24 <{Demo}> fuck a lot of letters in that game 15:24 the other stuff doesn't sound too bad 15:24 those seem like a pita thoug 15:25 <{Demo}> acid fuckers with teleport control 15:25 <{Demo}> also fuck the mega golems with STUPID weapon dice 15:26 alright, just geno'd LVZP 15:27 <{Demo}> why P 15:27 shoggoth 15:27 <{Demo}> oh yea 15:27 too lazy to write individual scrolls 15:28 can you put wands of draining in a boh? 15:29 <{Demo}> cant remember i wouldnt try 15:29 <{Demo}> slashem doesnt play games with that shit 15:29 <{Demo}> its just fuck you 15:30 yeah, I can't remember either 15:30 I skipped Vecna because I wussed out 15:31 <{Demo}> damn vecna is good 15:31 I've died every time I've tried to take him on 15:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Fem Neu) killed the Chromatic Dragon, on T:29718 15:33 <{Demo}> oh, just come prepared 15:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29719 15:33 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 15:34 <@luxidream> aosdict: maybe that's a problem with the str formula and not necessarily rings of gain strength 15:34 <@luxidream> under FH's system rings of gain strength remain relevant since strength just goes to 21 without any 18/xx percentages 15:36 <@luxidream> I just find gain str/gain con more interesting than carrying, because they have other effects, even if marginal like gain str 15:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) killed the Rat King, on T:45286 15:38 <@luxidream> maybe gain str should skew towards higher enchantments, after all, gops don't break the game right? 15:38 strength just goes to 21> what sorcery is this? Next more AC will be better than less AC! # yeah, I know 15:41 <@luxidream> think we're just too used to that by now :p 15:42 <@luxidream> also, damage reduction doesn't start until negative AC 15:42 Honestly I can kind of forgive it in NetHack where there's an actual change in effect at... yeah, that 15:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) stole 2010 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Izchak's lighting store, on T:7159 15:43 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 10932 points, T:7200, killed by a wand 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law), 1525 points, T:2365, killed by a hill orc 16:03 can a +6 weapon blast if i want to make it rustproof with a confused enchant weapon? 16:05 No, it shouldn't 16:05 Artifact blasting should only occur upon contact or wielding 16:06 (I wonder if tromix is asking about overenchanting?) 16:06 Likewise. 16:06 yes sorry overenchanting 16:06 But it's a confused reading so I feel like that shouldn't be a factor. 16:06 Since, you know, no actual enchanting. 16:07 it's my rusty +6 sceptre of might 16:07 I feel like overenchanting shouldn't be an issue in general for fooproofing 16:08 I don't believe it is, but this has "test in wizmode, don't trust us" written all over it 16:08 =) 16:09 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 663 points, T:2556, killed by a piranha 16:10 Pinkbeast: @luxidream FIQHack retains the NH4 system of having Def in place of AC, which goes up. However, in fh, you can toggle the old display if you're used to it 16:10 (I do this, but I do think Def is objectively superior overall for a new player) 16:10 yeah, I know. :-) 16:10 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 16:12 puh, it worked! 16:13 also, in fh, chargeable rings are much more strongly biased towards high enchantments (both positive and negative) to be more relevant. Some other variants do this too 16:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 305 points, T:649, killed by a jellyfish 16:15 -!- Umbire__ has joined #hardfought 16:18 -!- Umbire_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:18 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:19 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:19 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 16:19 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) killed Dagon, on T:84013 16:21 -!- Umbire__ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:22 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] spleen (Ran Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:19436 16:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3604 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3810 16:39 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 141 points, T:860, killed by a sewer rat 16:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) had an elven cloak entrusted to him by Hermes, on T:46148 16:42 my elven cloak collection is expanding 16:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:32345 16:45 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 16:46 [hdf-us] [evil] Bot (Con Dwa Mal Cha), 40 points, T:306, killed by a lichen 16:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) averted death (killed by a rope golem), on T:3137 16:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class h), on T:44170 16:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:4810 16:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Roamer, on T:32990 16:57 [hdf-us] [evil] Bot (Inf Ith Mal Una) had a leather tattered cape entrusted to him by Moloch, on T:1461 17:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) genocided class h, on T:42849 17:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Cav Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 3 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:33594 17:07 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 538 points, T:1513, killed by a hobbit 17:10 [hdf-us] [evil] Bot (Inf Ith Mal Una) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:3364 17:13 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 17:13 [hdf-us] [evil] Bot (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1874 points, T:3753, killed by a rothe 17:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) had a plain spellbook given to him by Hermes, on T:47911 17:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class L, on T:44817 17:16 blessed spellbook of blank paper, fantastic gift 17:17 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 11770 points, T:13886, killed by an energy vortex 17:18 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 17:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:44658 17:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 1843 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:44111 17:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:44115 17:26 can you levitate when finding the vibrating square? (slashem) 17:28 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 864 points, T:2530, killed by a glass crossbow bolt 17:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Hea Elf Mal Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:48550 17:32 amateurhour: yes 17:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 454 points, T:1038, killed by a little dog 17:35 nice, thanks 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 126 points, T:376, killed by a jackal 17:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Orcus, on T:45765 17:39 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: boopboop boop] 17:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 1812 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:45928 17:40 -!- tromix has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 41 points, T:210, killed by an electric shock 17:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Wiz Orc Fem Cha), 554 points, T:1424, killed by a giant ant 17:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Val Dwa Fem Law) was given Mjollnir, on T:2333 17:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1538 17:54 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1342 points, T:3419, killed by a rabid dog 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:3046 17:55 can the wizard get the amulet for you in slashem? 17:55 because he just appeared for me in the sanctum, then disappeared somewhere 17:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3558 17:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Master Kaen, on T:47402 17:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47404 17:59 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 171 points, T:900, killed by a giant spider 18:05 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) murdered her faithful little dog, on T:6387 18:07 nooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo 18:07 I left the wish prompt blank and got a random item 18:07 so lost wishless 18:07 ffs 18:08 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 18:12 <@riker> rip 18:13 the wish was from cursed gain level... 18:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:48692 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11311 18:19 [hdf-us] [un] Bot (Wiz Vam Mal Cha) killed the ghost of bhaak, the former Rogue, on T:11611 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "holy fireproof greased bag of holding", on T:11637 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a master mind flayer, on T:12268 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinatrix, on T:13253 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:7824 18:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:49909 18:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49912 18:32 [hdf-eu] [slshm] amateurhour (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 5033918 points, T:46393, ascended 18:32 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slashem/dumplog/1602694497.slashem.txt 18:32 angery 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:17686 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:47512 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47520 18:35 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:7864 18:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2951 18:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Traveler, on T:18801 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:19335 18:41 [hdf-us] [slex] GenEric (Pro Kob Mal Law) killed Elif, on T:114 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 584 points, T:1903, killed by a dwarf 18:41 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:44 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 18:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Ran Orc Fem Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon her by Mars, on T:17506 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:20288 18:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:20303 18:45 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by The Lady, on T:22438 18:52 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:43236 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became The Lady's Envoy of Balance, on T:23893 18:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:18343 18:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:24472 18:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (disenchanters), on T:24475 19:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided class ;, on T:43430 19:01 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 24580 points, T:2015, killed by a water demon 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:25886 19:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:43479 19:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:43487 19:05 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 19:06 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 19:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) put Death down for a little nap (5 times), on T:43563 19:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:43577 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided master mind flayers, on T:27130 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:27172 19:11 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 19:11 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Pestilence, on T:43698 19:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed figurine of a woodchuck named hothraxxas best friend CARL", on T:43710 19:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] teamsplay (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2596748 points, T:43714, ascended 19:21 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/t/teamsplay/nethack/dumplog/1602860237.nh.html 19:21 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 1044 points, T:2021, killed by a bolt of fire 19:21 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 420 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:28892 19:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 69 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:29317 19:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +3 fixed jumping boots", on T:54600 19:26 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:30459 19:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:30461 19:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:30732 19:32 -!- moony has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] jt (Ran Orc Fem Cha) was chosen to steal souls for the Glory of Mars, on T:22370 19:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:32898 19:39 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 39232 points, T:3127, killed by a boulder 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:33273 19:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:33277 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:33559 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:33830 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:33832 19:47 -!- moony has joined #hardfought 19:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) averted death (petrified by a cockatrice), on T:56779 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:35231 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:36377 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:36452 19:54 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:55 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:36518 19:57 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) killed Daemon, on T:85463 19:57 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:36727 19:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 holy full healing", on T:36731 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:36769 19:59 -!- rebatela has quit [Client Quit] 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "+2 helm of opposite alignment named worth a shot", on T:36805 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:36808 20:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed Famine, on T:36862 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:36885 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Tou Hum Fem Law), 818572 points, T:36887, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1603143976.nh.html 20:02 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 20:07 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:10 20:10 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:10 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 20:11 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 20:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:86239 20:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:57828 20:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:57830 20:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:86533 20:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of a light archon", on T:86615 20:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:58057 20:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Student of Fire, on T:58169 20:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:87023 20:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:58299 20:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:58300 20:44 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 20:48 <@luxidream> !lastgame luxidream 20:48 @luxidream: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/nethack/dumplog/1603143976.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/L/Luxidream/slex/dumplog/1544654684.slex.txt 20:49 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:59371 20:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:88478 20:53 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 20:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:60093 20:59 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 57869 points, T:13271, quit 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Ran Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:21988 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:27305 21:18 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Death, on T:88663 21:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:88674 21:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law), 613 points, T:2119, killed by a giant ant, while praying 21:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:88708 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:4261 21:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Nob Elf Mal Cha), 11105854 points, T:88718, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/Disruptor/dnethack/dumplog/1602641712.dnh.txt 21:22 aosdict; excellent i'll join you in your quest for wold domination B-) I even bought a special device for TNNT https://www.ebay.com/itm/IBM-Thinkpad-X31-Notebook-1-60GHz-512MB-40GB-HDD-Windows-XP-WIFI-AC-adapter-ATI/153977016350?ssPageName=STRK%3AMEBIDX%3AIT&_trksid=p2057872.m2749.l2649 21:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4413 21:22 its missing numpad :P 21:23 i was gonna say that 21:23 go ahead 21:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:4539 21:23 it has no numpad :( 21:23 heh 21:23 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 21:23 winny in all seriousness, nice find! good price too 21:23 it's itty bitty 21:24 i don't use numpad, do you fellas use numpad for nh? 21:24 hell yeah 21:24 i wont play without it 21:24 wow this changes everything 21:24 :D 21:24 lol 21:24 you breaking up with me? wtf 21:24 over NUMPAD 21:24 what if i told you not only do i use nethack vi keys, but i use dvorak so my up/down is on the left hand, and most of the other directional keys are on the right 21:25 * K2 mind is blown 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4971 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:4971 21:25 yeah i cant see you anymore. we're done 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:5022 21:25 i want my records back 21:25 :P 21:26 up/j,down/k,upright/u,upleft/y <- left hand; left/h,right/l,downleft/b,downright/n <- right hand 21:26 haha :^) only if you can beat me at valkeryie fisticuffs 21:26 (sorry i lost the spell checker in astral plane) 21:26 heheh 21:26 this is how i play nethack most days - https://www.gettyimages.com/detail/video/medium-shot-baboon-pounding-on-laptop-keyboard-stock-video-footage/712-54 21:27 ooh a unicorn got stuck in a bear trap, i immediately came to throw it a gem, and it was grateful (for the teleportation, i guess?) 21:27 brb 21:28 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:32 man that baboon really like's that titanium powerbook 17" (model [?]) 21:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:7833 21:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9640 21:40 @luxidream maybe gauntlets of power should be changed to carrying? as it is, the fact that a single piece of equipment can both greatly boost your carry cap and drastically increase damage dealt is a bit silly IMO 21:41 either that, or change it to work like gauntlets of dexterity 21:41 in that every point of enchantment contributes an attribute point 21:41 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 21:41 Lunch break again! Hmm, so apparently, in order to die less often, I need to move for a specific reason, for a purpose, and not just wonder around in the dungeon. 21:41 <@luxidream> I wouldn't be against that, they're a little too strong as it is 21:41 FIQ: So +5 gauntlets of power will take you from 18/01 to 18/06 ? 21:41 Reviewing my inventory... I've concluded that, I need to find... Everything! 21:42 <@luxidream> one of the few things that slashem actually nerfed, lol 21:42 jonadab: it works better in a variant that has adapted a sane Strength system ;) 21:42 fiqhack doesn't have 18/foo silliness 21:42 Ah. 21:42 I see. 21:42 it changed the various 18/** thresholds to simply be whole points instead 21:42 so instead of 18/** you have 21 instead 21:43 I don't remember if I lowered the chance for a strength boost past 18 from relevant items or if I just let it be 21:43 but besides that it's objectively superior IMO 21:44 Evil Patch Idea: all attributes start needing 99 points to go up a point, starting at 10. So it goes 7, 8, 9, 10, 10/01, 10/02, 10/03, ... 10/99, 10/**, 11, 11/01, ... 21:44 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:46 Super Evil Patch Idea: max HP also works that way. And if your max is, say, 14/23, then if your HP is at max and you take three HP of damage, you're at 11/23. 21:46 <@mtf> is there an ez way to respond to in game mail? heh 21:46 <@mtf> I've just been writing in the # prompt 21:47 Assuming the mail is from someone watching on the server, that is what I do as well. 21:47 <@mtf> gotcha ok 21:47 In principle, you could also engrave. 21:47 But that has in-game consequences. 21:47 (Uses time, if nothing else.) 21:47 <@mtf> ah yea guess that's true 21:48 Using the # extended-command prompt does not take time unless the first part of what you type is a valid command. 21:48 @mtf in fiqhack, you can write in-game mail to yourself 21:48 which is how I respond 21:48 <@mtf> ah right with the zero key? 21:48 in variants without enhanced watchmode, you can just do #foo 21:48 <@mtf> I just tried that 21:48 <@mtf> gotcha 21:48 and presumably the one sending you mail will see it 21:48 (When I say does not take time, I mean does not take in-game time.) 21:49 jonadab: you could also name an item 21:49 Oh, right, #name, that would also work. 21:49 Evil Patch Idea: #name uses one turn per character. You are helpless. 21:50 for multiplayer I was going to add a rudimentary chat (nothing advanced, just something simple), but I wouldn't bother until then 21:50 Just add a #irc command that is gated to IRC. Messages from IRC come as messages in your messages area. :-) 21:50 heh 21:50 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 21:51 Or make an Android port, and add a #sms command. 21:51 <@mtf> obviously we need more IRC integrations 😛 21:51 speaking of chat 21:52 one day I want to look into dcss webtiles 21:52 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:13221 21:52 the windowport itself is conceptually simple 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Dresser, on T:13266 21:52 but what I am wondering is how they're integrating it as part of dgl 21:52 because if someone plays on webtiles 21:52 a terminal user can follow that player 21:52 and vice versa 21:52 The dgl watchmode is ttyrec based. 21:53 yeah I know, but 21:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:3445 21:53 webtiles is a completely different thing 21:53 one sec 21:53 So presumably webtiles is ttyrec-compatible, somehow. 21:53 Unless they've modified dgl. 21:54 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:54 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Hob Fem Neu), 1120 points, T:781, killed by a gnome lady 21:54 Watching sshed-in players on a web interface is as simple as putting a ttyrec player into the web page, probably as a plugin. NAO used to have that. May still, for all I know. 21:54 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 21:54 Those ladies hit hard. 21:55 jonadab: here's an example: https://i.redd.it/y8e1kumd8jm41.jpg 21:55 (It's not a very GOOD ttyrec player, but I-want-to-do-everything-in-a-browser people wouldn't know good software if it overwrote their brains, so.) 21:55 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:55 this looks like a whole seperate windowport 21:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:28476 21:55 and yet, a terminal player can treat it as if the player is playing on a terminal 21:55 I want to investigate how this works 21:55 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 21:56 and if it's implemented in a sensible way and not some kludgy mess 21:56 (because if so I don't want to bother) 21:56 Hmm. Assuming ttyrec itself can't parse that, the game may be writing out either A) a .ttyrec file directly, or B) terminal output in addition to web output, on separate streams. 21:57 I suspect B is what is going on 21:57 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:57 Either that, or C) they've got a _very_ clever terminal emulator. 21:57 Built into that website. 21:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:15186 21:58 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 21:58 For 3.4.3, there used to be a terminal emulator / telnet client that supported graphical tiles, for playing on public servers. It wasn't clever enough to do everything in that screenshot, though. 21:59 I used to know what it was called, but I forget now. 21:59 yeah I know what you're referring to 22:00 but it does screen scraping 22:00 which is awful 22:00 It did a little better than just raw screen scraping. 22:00 oh wait, it relied on vt_tiledata, didn't it 22:00 Yes. 22:00 I wonder if that's what dcss is doing 22:00 something akin to that 22:00 it's still... iffy 22:00 I don't know, but that's possible. 22:00 but better than raw scraping 22:01 The screenshot would suggest that if so, it's more elaborate than NetHack's vt_tiledata. 22:01 But it could be based on the same principle, just done better/more. 22:01 Potentially. 22:01 not really, I think the nethack thing would be capable of doing the same thing 22:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4207 22:01 you'd still need to screen-scrape particular areas 22:01 but that's not nearly as bad 22:01 I suspect outputting both terminal and web output on separate streams, might be easier to implement, though. Depending on how the codebase does certain things. 22:02 I think vt_tiledata makes it obvious what areas pertains to what 22:02 messages, etc 22:02 so it could pull off the kind of shenanigans dcss webtiles does 22:02 actually, hm 22:02 dcss webtiles stores stuff that isn't immediately accessible in the terminal 22:02 and I highly doubt it's taking an InterHack approach wrt that 22:03 Probably not. 22:03 (e.g. using macros to grab the data transparently) 22:03 it'd be... error-prone 22:03 The InterHack approach is brittle when you start making changes. 22:03 yeah 22:04 it works well on 3.4.3 because 3.4.3 never changes 22:04 Right. 22:04 even nao trips it up, and nao intends to make next to no changes 22:04 NAO makes _plenty_ of UI changes. 22:04 Which are the worst kind for something like this. 22:04 yeah 22:04 funnily enough, it actually worked remarkably well on 3.6.0 22:04 InterHack, that is 22:04 because it lacked basically everything nao added 22:04 It doesn't make much in the way of _gameplay_ changes, but that's not what a UI wrapper _mostly_ cares about. 22:05 UI-wise 22:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1213530 points, T:60326, killed by an air elemental (with the Amulet), while hiding from thunderstorm 22:05 that is how I played 3.6.0 on devnull tribute 22:05 by using interhack 22:05 the first, and only, time I used it as anything more than a "let's see how this thing works" exercise 22:06 fun fact: ADOM, on top of what it already does for msgtype, has an msgtype-like option that allows you to replace a message, or insert your own as part of it 22:07 someone took advantage of this and made an ADOM msgtype config file that does stuff like add messages for what corpses do 22:07 it reminded me a bit of InterHack when I used it :P 22:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4936 22:07 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 22:08 OOh, one good thing about not being "fast", is that it's actually feasible to use a leash now... 22:08 Walking around the dungeon leashed to a powerful pet seems safer. 22:09 are you saying that it's the pet having you oin a leash rather than the other way around? :P 22:09 sounds kinky 22:09 FIQ: Given that the pet is stronger and more powerful than I am... 22:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) became Hermes' Envoy of Balance, on T:22003 22:10 -!- sebastia1toby has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 22:10 FIQ: I'm doing *everything* I can do to just... survive... In evil. 22:11 you get that IRL with a big enough dog, say a Newfoundland. the leash is just a sort of suggestion 22:11 haha 22:12 Indeed! 22:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:22854 22:12 "the Bigroom" 22:13 that was always my favorite big room 22:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] fcloud (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:5349 22:13 the one luxi is in atm 22:13 always preferred how it was set up rather than those more plain ones 22:13 such as the one that is just a big square with no features 22:14 FIQ: As a monk, I actually liked that one. Would make me think about how to bash every single last monster, in vanilla. :) 22:14 FIQ: It's one of the rare times where you risk actually getting overwhelmed. 22:15 Before the castle, anyway. 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4303 22:16 @luxidream do you actually like the game stopping you for smaller piles? you can disable it FYI 22:17 <@luxidream> shoot 22:17 figured I'd ask since you just dismiss them anyway 22:17 <@luxidream> what option is that? 22:17 it's called pile_size iirc, let me check quickly 22:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 542 points, T:804, killed by a dwarf 22:18 it's called pile_limit 22:18 set it to 2 22:19 and you'll always see "There are a few objects here" 22:19 if there's more than 1 22:19 (if you set it to 1, you also get it for just a single object, which you probably don't want) 22:19 ahh nvm apparently they fixed that, so it shouldn't matter. But yeah, pile_limit:2 fixes it 22:20 @luxidream ^ 22:20 <@luxidream> thanks, I've changed it 🙂 22:20 <@luxidream> it gets annoying in sokoban 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4956 22:21 [hdf-au] [evil] Arahael (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1845 points, T:2472, killed by a bolt of cold 22:22 Hmm... Evilhack definitely makes you improve your strategies, but still so many impossible situations. That bolt of cold also killed my anscient psuedodragon, and was zapped twice before I had a chance to even move, that gnome must've been somehow Very Fast. 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:12191 22:28 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 4467 points, T:5344, killed by a warg 22:29 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Val Hum Fem Law) received advice from The Oracle, on T:8487 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:26288 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:26851 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Medica ossium, on T:27022 22:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 5341 points, T:6151, killed by a blast of fire 22:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] nekochan (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 223 points, T:511, killed by a gnome 22:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Cyclops, on T:28287 22:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Val Dwa Fem Law) was given the Blade Singer's Saber, on T:10232 22:48 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Val Hum Fem Law), 57794 points, T:8896, killed by a death ray 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Ran Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:28365 22:48 <@mtf> bruh 22:48 <@mtf> level 10 death ray 22:48 <@mtf> fml 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:29336 22:49 <@mtf> didn't even make it to soko 22:49 <@mtf> there was a big room the level after oracle 😦 22:49 what happened 22:49 who was messing with death rays that early 22:49 <@mtf> a centaur had it 22:49 oh 22:49 oops 22:50 <@mtf> big room must have spawned him OOD with it? 22:50 I think centaurs are too low difficulty-wise to get them randomly 22:50 so I think he might have picked it up? 22:50 <@mtf> possible... 22:50 <@mtf> there a way to see the replay 22:51 <@mtf> ? 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:29478 22:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:29485 22:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 holy charging", on T:29634 22:56 hdf disables replaymode due to performance concerns 22:56 (on all variants, not just fh) 22:56 What's the difference between 'gh' and 'Gh'? I'm just wondering if I should use gh instead of say, ^h. 22:56 actually it's still present in dynahack because nobody bothered to disable it there 22:56 Nethack's "info on a particular key" doesn't have any info on g. 22:57 but that should be ok since it uses nitrohack-style replaymode which is much faster and less CPU-itensive 22:57 <@mtf> ah damn that's too bad 22:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:30176 22:57 <@mtf> is that nhgame file a replay of the game that can be watched locally? 22:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "holy ring of conflict", on T:30196 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) genocided class h, on T:30250 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) murdered her faithful horse, on T:30299 23:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Herbalist, on T:30705 23:03 yes 23:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 420 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:31103 23:03 nhgame is a NitroHack save file 23:03 including any of its various derivatives 23:03 (which includes everything NH4) 23:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:31228 23:03 when ais523 rewrote the save system, he kept the file ending 23:03 a bad move IMO 23:03 but it is what is its 23:04 *it is what it is 23:04 is it what is it 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:31681 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:31686 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Ran Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Scout, on T:30094 23:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:32871 23:09 oo, a grappling hook! i to rarely see them 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed Yeenoghu, on T:32942 23:10 *throws the grappling hook away* 23:10 <@mtf> ah ok good to know 23:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:34319 23:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:34320 23:16 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 23:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:34999 23:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:35551 23:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:3381 23:23 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:23 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) genocided giant bats locally on T:2038 23:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) rejected atheism by offering an orc shaman corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:3796 23:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 420 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:36646 23:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:37103 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:37234 23:29 [hdf-eu] [un] Muad (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2053 points, T:2249, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted killer bee, while frozen by a potion 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:37243 23:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:37637 23:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:38357 23:34 -!- JonathanHanes has joined #hardfought 23:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) averted death (killed by a touch of death), on T:38540 23:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (10 times), on T:40606 23:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:41354 23:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "marker", on T:41615 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] haldisse (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:13959 23:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "+2 helm of opposite alignment", on T:41878 23:51 -!- jeremiahL has joined #hardfought 23:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:42206 23:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Luxidream (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 740364 points, T:42221, killed by Famine (with the Amulet) 23:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6635 23:56 -!- jeremiahL has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]