00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Mars, on T:54022 00:05 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1337 00:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:48506 00:16 yawn 00:17 i take back my sacrifice tyr 00:18 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5807 00:24 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 3673 points, T:6250, slaughtered by an enormous rat 00:31 honestly I am just going to stop doing pacifist. I just died with two magic lamps for pretty but no reason but hubris 00:31 I feel bad for whoever gets those bones though, there are like, 12 dragons on that level 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:54785 00:39 That reminds me, how long can bones hang around for? I'd like to have bones that last indefinitely, until someone completes it. 00:39 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 68 points, T:803, killed by an acidic glob 00:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:2634 00:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 2664 points, T:4013, poisoned by a gray fungus 00:42 I believe that is the case, at least until an update that's incompatible with old bones files. 00:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Mon Hum Fem Law), 5859 points, T:2794, killed by a giant ant 00:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 3484 points, T:1767, killed by a soldier ant 00:44 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 28 points, T:459, dismembered by a jackal 00:49 If you're doing pacifist, wish for a powerful pet 00:51 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 53 points, T:930, slaughtered by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 00:52 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 00:57 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:59 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 01:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1426 01:03 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:03 Beholder is a bit slow today. 01:12 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:23729 01:20 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 01:22 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) killed for the first time, on T:3244 01:24 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 398 points, T:3773, defeated by a corpseworm 01:27 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 01:27 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 171 points, T:502, dispatched by a killer bee 01:28 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 01:29 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 80 points, T:242, mowed down by a fox 01:30 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 7 points, T:221, fell into a pit 01:32 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) was given Luck Blade, on T:24686 01:33 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law), 68 points, T:519, killed by a serval 01:42 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 01:46 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:48 gnome with the wand of wishing, that's a new one 01:49 and ofc it's on a game where I've blown every conduct. I guess i'll just have to play normal 01:49 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:1318 01:52 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:26043 01:54 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 01:56 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) wished for "+3 blessed greased fixed speed boots", on T:1350 02:14 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 02:16 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) wished for "+2 blessed greased fixed gauntlets of power", on T:1397 02:19 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 02:23 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 02:23 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:23 That's odd, this bee had a robe. 02:25 * arahael now has to figure out how to eat 26 lumps of royal jelly. 02:26 one at a time 02:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:4961 02:27 * arahael gets the feck back out of that room. 02:27 Neko-chan: Ha. 02:29 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5460 02:30 Doesn't seem to do much for health. 02:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] tkirkby (Ran Dro Mal Neu), 47 points, T:86, killed by a jackal 02:35 They increase your strength 02:36 I'm already pretty strong. 02:36 I've eaten 6 so far. 02:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] tkirkby (Bin Clk Fem Non), 42 points, T:284, killed by a jackal 02:37 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) attained the rank of Page of Wings, on T:3016 02:38 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3045 02:39 Feels like a waste eating them. I mean, my strength is already 18/09 02:39 !who 02:39 K2: [hdf-us] nekochan [spl] tkirkby [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370] 02:48 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 02:48 -!- weber.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ The November NetHack Tournament 2020 - https://www.hardfought.org/tnnt 02:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 02:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:2, killed by a falling object 02:49 !who 02:49 K2: [hdf-us] omghax [nh370] nekochan [spl] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370] 02:49 !whereis omghax 02:49 K2: [hdf-us] omghax [nh370]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 02:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:11, killed by a falling object 02:50 omg hax! 02:50 \o/ 02:55 arahael: they are good and light food items to carry around, don't choke trying to eat them all at once lol 02:55 Neko-chan: Yeah, I've stopped eating them, preferring other items :) 02:55 I figure 20 jellies is good to carry. 02:55 yeah, haha, that's plenty 02:56 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:7913 02:57 *sigh*, a leocrotta, in soko's zoo. 02:58 And a crazy fast one, at that. 02:58 * arahael abandons the soko. 02:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] omghax (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:4, killed by a falling object 02:59 !whereis omghax 02:59 K2: [hdf-eu] omghax [nh370]: (Hea Gno Mal Neu) T:2 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 02:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] omghax (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 0 points, T:22, killed by a jackal 03:01 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) had Carnwennan bestowed upon her by Enki, on T:4292 03:05 Don't have a pet you can fight it with? @arahael 03:05 Or wands? 03:05 Or a dece spell 03:06 Umbire: I had a warhorse. 03:06 Umbire: Another leocrotta on the way out of soko killed it. 03:06 F 03:06 Anyway off I go for the night 03:06 !sleep 03:06 No decent spells yet. I'm Int 8 so not confident about reading random books. 03:06 Sleep well! 03:06 You're a monk! 03:06 You cast from-- right, the reading. 03:07 Even sleep should still be aight. 03:07 Yeah, I only have protection, atm. 03:07 Anyway, night! 03:07 o. 03:07 o/* 03:07 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] omghax (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 0 points, T:30, killed by a falling object 03:08 * arahael considers advising omghax to pick a different direction when throwing something. 03:08 !whereis omghax 03:08 K2: [hdf-au] omghax [nh370]: (Sam Hum Mal Law) T:2 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 03:08 [hdf-au] [nh370] omghax (Sam Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:16, killed by a jackal 03:09 NetHack 370-hdf updated (all servers) 03:09 ^ new edit level (23) 03:10 arahael when your current game is over, you'll want to log out of dgamelaunch and then reconnect so you catch the updated config and your next game of 370-hdf will be on the newest version 03:10 K2: Thanks for that. Hopefully won't happen for a while, but just knowing my luck and skill, that'll be fairly soon! 03:10 heh 03:15 Hardfought's 20th birthday is in 11 days. wooooo 03:16 Woah! 03:20 ikr? 03:21 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:10489 03:21 Damn it. 03:27 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:5754 03:30 K2: when was the first nethack game? 03:34 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:6071 03:44 Does a cursed ring of polymorph have any use? 03:47 -!- tr0mix has joined #hardfought 03:47 -!- tr0mix has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:49 -!- theRaisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 03:50 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 03:53 polymorphing lol 03:53 * arahael considers rephrasing... ;) 03:53 uncursing it and using it is good, as is just using it in a polykit 03:53 it's dangerous 03:53 but it can be useful still 03:53 Ah, gotcha. 03:54 I'm currently debating returning to minetown. I've previously angered the watchmen, and I doubt they'll be quick to forget seeing as I killed one of them. 03:54 (I'm "piously lawful", though, so I don't seem to have an alignment problem) 03:58 ugh I am... so dumb... 03:58 my god is mad at me and I'm food poisoned 03:58 what's uh, something I could wish for that cures illness 03:59 What alignment are you? 03:59 oh nvm blessed healing potion 03:59 I'm lawful but luckily I have survived myself 03:59 That'll do it, yeah. 04:00 I love reading, thank you reading, never lets me down 04:00 In that case I'd consider wishing for holy water 04:00 oh gosh I'm like... very close to that point 04:00 I need holy water so bad 04:00 I also have like, 12 pet dragons, at least, and it's been really tough to mollify my god lmao 04:06 mm... 04:11 Neko-chan: Unicorn horn? 04:11 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) attained the rank of Page of Claws, on T:8708 04:12 Well, there goes that idea of getting a pet housecat to kill the watch. 04:12 Wait what about unicorn horns? 04:12 can they make holy water!? 04:13 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:14 No, but I think they can fix the foodpois issue. 04:15 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:14577 04:15 Gremlins really don't like sunsword. 04:15 Oh yeah, it would have been a reasonable wish if I were not able to think of something else 04:15 I ended up just not wishing and using what I had on hand 04:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Law) was given the Beastmaster's Duster, on T:49104 04:16 I'm pretty close to wishing for holy water or a magic whistle at this point 04:16 I guess I could just remake my dragon army later 04:16 Done the castle? 04:16 Also I'm realizing that I can do an arena of sorts to train my pets 04:17 no, I have not, but that's not super relevant to me currently 04:17 as my major hurdle is herding these dragons around cause I'm having fun with that 04:17 Neko-chan: Don't they have a wand of wishing there as well? 04:18 There is one there, yeah 04:19 but i found one immediately after blowing the pacifist conduct on the first floor of the gnomish mines 04:19 however it may have been a death drop from the gnome I had to kill, so catch-22 04:22 !lastgame Lacca 04:22 arahael: [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/l/lacca/nethack/dumplog/1602366425.nh.html 04:23 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed lacca's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:14923 04:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3260 04:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a steam vortex, on T:15094 04:27 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 04:27 This is not good. 04:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3860 04:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3877 04:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping a square amulet on an altar, on T:3879 04:34 If I'm polymorphed... Can I still get the murderer penalty if I kill my original race members, such as minetown's guards? 04:35 You can kill them without worry 04:35 "Lawful and neutral characters may wish to polymorph humans such as shopkeepers and aligned priests before killing them, to avoid the penalties for murder. " 04:35 No, *I* am the one polymorphed. 04:36 And my attack is engulfing and then burning the corpse to a crisp. 04:37 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:37 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:10046 04:37 oh well, that's one way to test it 04:37 oh I misread this line, sorry 04:38 okay now that I understand your question, there is actually no way to get past that kind of murder 04:38 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 04:38 you're gonna count as murdering if you kill a minetown guard or shopkeeper under any circumstance 04:39 but I think you can eat their bodies or even potentially sacrifice them while selfpolyed and not get the same race penalties then 04:39 Curious. 04:40 I think I'm effectively eating everything. 04:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of High Priest, on T:56644 04:41 wow I just used 6 blessed scrolls of EA to get an elven mithril coat from +0 to +6. I'm not sure what the odds of that are... 04:41 Tangles: Unlucky! 04:41 +6? 04:41 elven gear is safe to enchant at +5 04:42 Mm 04:42 Quick math says 1 in 216 04:44 Hmm that's annoying, but I guess not that rare in the scheme of things. 04:44 This polymorph is taking ages. 04:45 What does "HD" mean? 04:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:56816 04:45 I'm HD:7, don't know if that's low or high. 04:46 Nothing seems to be attacking me at all though. 04:47 Finally, getting attacked. 04:47 Aaaand I'm back. :) 04:50 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:51 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 04:51 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:11012 04:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:57026 04:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:57056 04:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:16582 04:55 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:27810 04:56 I did not actually do that. 04:56 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:00 We'll sue Beholder for libel. 05:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Shan Lai Ching, on T:17244 05:02 *sigh*, I have to stop doing that. 05:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) stole 5917 zorkmids worth of merchandise from Gomel's liquor emporium, on T:25335 05:03 I'll chuck that one, I guess. 05:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Orc Fem Una) rejected atheism by offering a water nymph corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:14154 05:10 Finally went back to soko, where I learn that I was still woefully underpowered for two leocrottas... But a wand of tele + wands of magic missile help. Still have to get rid of the other one, though. 05:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:17971 05:11 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 05:13 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) polymorphed his first item, on T:17996 05:13 Damn, now I need another unicorn horn. 05:16 How many leocrottas are there!?!? Three, so far. 05:22 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "Blessed the magic mirror of merlin", on T:12956 05:24 Yep, three. 05:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Orc Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:16551 05:31 #n 05:31 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 05:31 oops 05:34 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:39 Well, that was a mistake. Read an uncursed scroll of earth... Whilst standing on my only escape... In a bigroom level. 05:40 was it the stairs? 05:41 Yep. 05:42 My only means of moving those boulders is... An empty wand of striking. 05:49 That I survived was pure luck. 05:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 5556 points, T:5976, killed by a soldier ant, while praying 06:00 * arahael starts the process of wresting his last zap of Striking. 06:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] elenmirie (Inf Orc Fem Una), 51498 points, T:18978, killed by a balrog 06:04 nooooo 06:04 RIP elenmirie :( 06:04 sigh 06:04 I tried to take him out with a wand of cold, but no 06:04 F 06:04 * arahael fully expects elenmirie-the-white to return. 06:05 hehe 06:05 LOL 06:05 took me a minute :D 06:05 she'll be more powerful than ever when she returns 06:09 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 06:20 AAAaargh. Should've paid more attention to the floating eye. :( 06:21 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 81774 points, T:20659, killed by a watchman, while frozen by a monster's gaze 06:21 Come to think of it, I think I'll adjust the colour. Is it just me, or is dark blue on a black background a bit hard to see? 06:25 it's a typical problem with modern displays 06:27 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 285 points, T:680, killed by a dwarf 06:27 paxed: Oh? So it's not always been like that? 06:28 I thought my eyes were getting worse! 06:29 iirc, crt monitors showed it correctly, but when moving to lcd and led, they show it differently. unfortunately, as everything's a GUI now, most monitor makers don't care 06:30 (you rarely get small dark blue areas surrounded by black in GUIs) 06:30 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 06:31 Fair enough - the contrast just doesn't seem to be terribly good. 06:31 some (most?) monitors have settings to change the color settings, which would help 06:33 Yeah, this is just an apple laptop - so no luck there. 06:38 !rng artiwep | SDSM 06:38 aoei: artiwep 06:38 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 06:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1455 06:39 *Orc Town 06:48 * aoei is considering whether to make a run for the luckstone or leave the mines and head to sokoban 06:49 aoei: I usually go to minetown, levelling up a bit in the process and using the altar to identify something to wear... Then go to soko, then return for the luckstone. 06:51 yeah this is a typical strat 06:51 sometimes with fighters (I'm playing a barb) I'll play a bit risky and dive for the luckstone 06:52 but I'm playing SpliceHack and thinking maybe I want to play a little more carefully 06:53 arahael: I 06:53 've played this game a lot :P 06:53 aoei: Better than me, at any rate. ;) 06:54 like 70+ ascensions lol 06:54 but no splicehack ascensions 06:54 so I'm trying to fix that 06:55 i got some nice stuff from minetown: magic lamp, pre-blessed, co-aligned altar so I have holy water now 06:55 Fair enough. :) Yeah, I think my trip to minetown's beyond was _too_ risky, just walked past a statue, that came to life with a wand of cold. I don't have reflection. 06:55 ouch 06:55 more typically the danger is poly traps 06:56 And worse: I'm in a corridor with a wall behind me, so I'm getting double damage. 06:56 I might actually have a robe of unchanging but I don't know the game well enough to risk it with my informal ID 06:56 That must be a splicehack thing. 06:57 Yeah, I think there's now ay out of this situation in my game, I might try running (with HP 11 - unlikely), and hten call it a night. 06:57 * arahael tries to bash the elf instead... 06:57 indeed, and if there are more splicehack robes that don't auto-ID, it could be something else 06:58 it's too cheap to be MR 06:58 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 06:58 and anyway description is robe not cloak 06:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 7515 points, T:2520, killed by a bolt of cold 06:58 Fair enough. :) 06:58 I'm still playing a slightly risky strat 06:59 received wisdom is to wish for SDSM immediately with your blessed magic lamp (assuming you get the wish) 06:59 My games are marginally improving anyway: General guideline - go slower, think a bit more, but yeah, just slower. 06:59 but if I get "oR from soko I'll be so annoyed 06:59 so I'm gonna attempt sokoban first 06:59 Nice. 07:00 but need to play carefully and be prepared to escape somehow if things get Real 07:00 damn it, dropped my gold but the leprechaun stole my ring instead 07:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 39 points, T:9, killed by a poisonous corpse 07:00 I forgot monks don't *start* with poison resistance! ;) 07:01 aoei: Yeah - indeed. 07:02 also ouch at poison death 07:04 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:04 Not a pleasant way to die. 07:04 eating corpses as a monk smh my head 07:04 :P 07:05 Haha. :) 07:06 did you just say smack my head my head 07:06 shaking my smh 07:06 ahhh 07:06 wait that's still a tautology anyway 07:06 lmao 07:06 SUP amateur 07:06 I'm splicing 07:07 lol out loud, what do you mean 07:07 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 07:08 rofl on the floor laughing 07:08 should I do illit barb ? 07:08 its a great flavour condcut 07:08 conduct* 07:08 what are you currently doing in splicehack? do that :P 07:08 but then splice late/endgame might actually be hard 07:08 well my barb is still illit for now 07:09 and vegan, which is a less classic flavour conduct 07:09 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1408 points, T:1198, killed by an ape, while fainted from lack of food 07:09 but maybe some cultures who would have been considered barbaric by the greek and roman civs were vegan 07:09 i'll allow it 07:11 lol some lemur tried to steal my shit 07:11 it's dead now 07:12 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:12 YANI: If polymorphed into a voluntarily exploding monster (with an AT_EXPL attack), the player can #monster to explode without actually attacking anything. (You can already do this by forcefighting thin air, so this would just add an additional way to do it and a prompt when you polyself.) 07:13 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 07:13 interesting 07:13 What's 'YANI'? 07:13 do you return to natural form after exploding? 07:13 aoei: yes, it's a standard polyself death, so unless you put on unchanging for some reason 07:14 aosdict: ok cool 07:14 (don't ask me how spheres can put on or wear amulets of unchanging, but they can...) 07:14 arahael: Yet Another New Idea 07:14 Nice. 07:16 [hdf-eu] [spl] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2901 07:16 neat 07:17 aoei immediately turns around and leaves 07:17 XD 07:17 I want the prize dammit 07:17 hush 07:18 G'night! 07:19 aoei: G'luck. :) 07:20 night arahael 07:20 thanks 07:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Caeleno (Val Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:26899 07:20 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:30 :o polywand get 07:31 :O splicehack has techniques! 07:31 I can "beserk" and I can also "disarm" 07:32 wow that was scary. I survived a leocrotta somehow 07:33 and then I got grenaded 07:33 ouch 07:33 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 07:34 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:33066 07:36 ... killed two leocrotta now. jesus Splice Sokoban is gunning for me D: 07:37 wat do 07:45 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 08:00 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Eth Mal Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:771 08:12 :o 08:20 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof ring of alacrity", on T:29778 08:22 unbelievable. I had two 'cursed brass rings' already, unidentified, but had to be hunger or aggravate monster, right? 08:22 That wish gave me another 'brass ring' 08:24 ah, I hate it when that happens 08:25 what is alacrity 08:25 I was sitting on a throne to try to ID them (temporary shortage of ID scrolls), but instead of 'insight' from the throne, I got a wish. 08:26 look, you got your id and a wish, stop whinging 08:26 YANI: allow you to spend a wish on a full inventory ID by specifying 'identification' 08:26 haha not whinging about a throne wish :) 08:27 says the guy who took away the spell of identification 08:27 which byt the way i heartily endorse. i like xnh id, i think it's superior 08:28 do you think 7 is a bit much 08:28 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 08:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 08:28 some players have expressed that it's a little high and I should perhaps decrease the ranges to 1/3/5 08:28 well it might be, i hardly ever use it 08:28 but obviously that's a nerf 08:28 and nerfs r bad 08:28 they are 08:29 i love learning the spell if only for being able to blank all the scrolls/polypile (same with mapping) 08:29 who said 7 is too much 08:29 get out here and apologise for the upcoming nerf 08:30 luxidream I think? 08:30 oh are we talking nerfs? I'm planning to do a funny one for slex that players very definitely aren't gonna hate: what if djinni and thrones can only give wishes if the player's XL is at least 5 and water demons only at XL7 or higher? that'll teach the scummers :D 08:30 make blessed id only 1 like vanilla sometimes does 08:30 or don't ever id anything like slex 08:31 delete id, and add loads of dangerous autocursing randomised appearance items 08:31 like slex 08:32 hothraxxa: it's unfortunate you never got to experience the identify spell in slex, because that one was nerfed hardcore 08:33 hey are you wishing bad things on me? 08:33 * hothraxxa nerfs amy's wishes 08:33 may cereberus gnaw all your shoes 08:34 heh. YASI: anti-wish. not sure how to "obtain" one (maybe from fountain quaffing), but if you get one, it means that the next time you would get a wish, you simply don't get one. And the counter of anti-wishes can go up; you'd have to get it back down to zero before you can get another wish. 08:35 hey what things are left in slex that people enjoy? add a trap to do the opposite of that 08:35 :^) 08:35 EPI addendum: and if you get a wish while having at least one anti-wish stored, you not only don't get your wish, but also get some cursed negatively enchanted equipment force-welded to you. 08:36 "hey, fountain quaffer, I'm Mr. Water Demon! Nice to meet you! As a consolation for your troubles, you are now wielding a cursed -4 long poleaxe!" :P 08:40 rebatela how do you manage to get your evilhack giants to natural STR 25? 08:40 [hdf-eu] [un] bhaak (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 10264 points, T:7801, killed by a warg 08:42 eat your spinach 08:42 that takes a lot of spinach 08:42 not as much as you think 08:42 giants increase strength more rapidly 08:43 hmmm... it's a rare find, only found 1 so far 08:43 yes. not sure i ever got a giant to 25 08:44 not a caveperson are you? 08:44 once I finally find a tinning kit I could tin loads and then take the luck penalty for cannibalism once 08:44 barb 08:45 haha wow who gave my pet balrog a wand of striking? He just zapped it in a potion shop at a mimic. destroyed two potions, and the iron bars to the adjoining armor shop, and a crystal plate mail in there. 08:45 lol Tangles, that's some result! 08:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 986616 points, T:53285, killed by invisible Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses 08:48 Heh, I polymorphed Medusa into a giant mimic. No livelogging for that one1 08:49 Problem solved but no trophy :b 08:49 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Eth Mal Neu) killed Kroo the Kobold King, on T:3743 08:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] pevsand (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 332 points, T:1177, killed by a water moccasin 08:56 !rng Slex | Vanilla | Evil 08:56 aoei: Evil 08:56 right-o Beholder 08:56 s-splicehack? 08:56 amateurhour: I deliberately excluded that one cuz I've just been playing that 08:57 shit got real in Sokoban so I retreated 08:57 now on Oracle level or the one above with 5 HP lol 08:57 and recently prayed so can't pray again right now 08:57 need better armour 08:59 can you still wish for SDSM? 08:59 mobileuser: I could try 08:59 but I'm a stubborn bitch 08:59 heh 08:59 and I want to check for "oR dammit 09:00 yeah not much use if you're dead because of high AC :-) 09:00 looool true 09:00 but 09:00 looking forward to how this splicehack game ends 09:00 in 2022 09:00 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 09:01 * aoei doesn't understand why amateurhour is so interested in her splicehack game, but it amuses her nonetheless 09:02 mobileuser: I cast stone to flesh/polymorph until i get like 100 blessed tins of spinach or whatever (along with lembas wafers ) 09:03 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 09:03 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 09:06 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 09:07 it's definitely harder to raise because you can't eat giants like everyone else 09:07 ah thx rebatela, I should have guessed any item is plentiful with the poly spell ;-) 09:07 you don't need the spell. wands of poly are way too common in evil 09:07 yeah... i learned a lot from watching oh6 play! 09:07 well you can eat giants 09:08 if ur a filthy caniball 09:08 yup 09:08 but you aggravate monsters already anyway 09:08 exactly 09:09 spinach is pretty easy to get. I'm usually just trying to make the lembas and in the process make spinach 09:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 1234 points, T:1145, killed by a gnome lord, while helpless 09:10 oh6 does it for the eggs 09:10 I don't have the patience for polypiling etc 09:10 hothraxxa wands of poly still need recharging. I hate the poly lottery without the spell 09:10 me neither, if I don't have the spell I only poly scrolls 09:10 are you a giant barbarian? 09:10 yes 09:10 i don't recall ever needing to recharge poly wands in evil 09:11 well I don't recharge them 09:11 I like to have PYEC and poly wands. Otherwise, I want the spell. But probably can't cast as a giant barbarian. maybe with the staff of matter? 09:11 there may be lots, but not infinite 09:11 by the time i want to polypile i usually have 5 or 6 09:11 still not enough 09:11 * hothraxxa shrugs 09:11 worked for me 09:11 I reserve the charges for scrolls 09:12 or the occasional zap at a monster :-) 09:12 you don't use the one big pile method? 09:13 stone to flesh and poly are a great combo if you can cast 09:13 I admit I am a poly n00b 09:13 I will bless like 200 meatballs and make stacks of 20 09:14 easiest way to get cockatrice eggs too 09:15 as i said 09:15 oh6 does it for the eggs 09:15 yeah haha that's where i learned it 09:15 thx for the tips! I'll keep it in mind. 09:16 not sure if c eggs are insta-stone in evil 09:16 yeah, i doubt they are 09:16 * aoei lives for eggs 09:23 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Eth Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:4603 09:25 :o 09:40 [hdf-us] [evil] aoei (Mon Gia Fem Cha), 2982 points, T:1936, killed by a dwarf lord 09:40 F 09:41 !rng more Evil Giant Monk | no more Evil Giant Monk 09:41 aoei: no more Evil Giant Monk 09:41 kay 09:46 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:47 paxed: first nethack game on hardfought would have been late february 2017 09:48 btw K2 I figured out what was wrong with my connection constantly dropping (with help from Mandevil and wireshark) 09:49 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 09:49 my ipv6 addresses were getting reshuffled very often, so I just switched to using only ipv4 for SSH, seems fine now 09:50 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 09:53 oh good (that you got it sorted) 09:53 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:53 not being able to reliably use ipv6 is blah 09:53 perhaps your isp has misconfigured something 09:53 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 09:53 yeah, kinda annoying, also unsure if it's ISP or my router 09:54 or the router you're using has some issues w/ ipv6 09:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) destroyed the Necromancer, on T:46658 09:55 I kinda wanna know if it's the router or the ISP, but it was only really a problem for SSH sessions where I'm playing VarHacks 09:55 so idk if I'll get around to further troubleshooting 09:55 ipv4 works 09:56 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 09:56 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:57 the only use case I can think of would be running a server on my laptop I wanted people to be able to access via ipv6 ... but I don't see why I would ever do that. any server I wanted running like that I'd run on a cloud VM thingy somewhere 10:04 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 10:07 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:08 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 10:08 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Eth Mal Neu) completed Lokoban, on T:7126 10:17 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 10:23 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 10:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2762 10:27 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 22944 points, T:10303, killed by a warg 10:29 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:3280 10:35 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:38 -!- kelamir[m] has quit [*.net *.split] 10:39 -!- kelamir[m] has joined #hardfought 10:40 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 362 points, T:586, killed by a gas spore's explosion 10:40 -!- kelamir[m] has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 10:41 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 0 points, T:205, killed by a jackal 10:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 3184 points, T:3749, killed by a dwarf king 10:45 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 394 points, T:738, killed by a sewer rat 10:47 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:51 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 10:52 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 538 points, T:1029, killed by a giant bat, while helpless 10:54 -!- kelamir[m] has joined #hardfought 11:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "the blessed platinum yendorian express card", on T:2228 11:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed dgoddard's ghost, the former Novice, on T:891 11:04 aoei: If you play again, play neutral... 11:04 rebatela: why neutral? 11:04 and are you talking about Evil Giant Monk? 11:04 yes 11:04 and why neutral? 11:04 artifacts 11:04 I'm strim undertale now anyway 11:04 it's hard to get MR as a giant 11:04 hm right 11:04 so i usually wish for PYEC... 11:05 its not that hard 11:05 "oMR 11:05 yeah I figured I'd get one of those 11:05 anyway I don't like to artiwish that often 11:05 right, but then you can't wear other amulets 11:05 I might be able to get goodies from Huan Ti 11:06 but thats not the issue we're talking about 11:06 doesn't the one affect the other 11:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2180 11:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2816 11:06 nice to be able to wear lifesaving on astral 11:07 or reflection etc 11:07 I never liked lifesaving much 11:07 reflection tho... 11:07 but you can get dragonbane 11:07 well, i never use it in vanilla 11:07 yep.. dragonbane is great 11:07 so are dragonhide gauntlets of protection (mc3) 11:07 "oMR plus dragonbane seems like a good option 11:08 it is 11:08 but then you need amulet for reflection... I actually like to stack the spell (similar to haste self) 11:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:2266 11:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1428 points, T:2904, killed by a leocrotta 11:08 MC3 isn't hugely important ... in vanilla 11:08 maybe it is more crucial for Evil 11:08 idk 11:08 and if you don't get the "oMR in soko, you need to either find it or polypile for it or wish for it. It's not something you're just going to find early 11:09 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 11:09 you do get the fashionable eyes 11:09 that's true 11:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:10 if you are able to lvl up quickly 11:10 [hdf-us] [slshm] UniDuck (Cav Hum Mal Law), 23809 points, T:9558, killed by a soldier ant 11:10 yeah levelling in a lot of variants is a pain 11:10 delet quest entry xp requirement 11:11 *happy amy noises* 11:11 levelling is hard in slex cuz u cant get xp after ur dead 11:11 is xnh the one with quest at xl11 11:11 or something 11:12 <{Demo}> u can actually if u bundle bundle bundle bundle bundle 11:12 in dnh and ndnh the xp curve is nice 11:12 if u love dnh and ndnh so much why dont you MARRY THEM amateurhour 11:13 the one? lots of variants have the quest level requirement lowered 11:13 !whereis amateurhour 11:13 amateurhour: [hdf-eu] amateurhour [ndnh]: (Mon Eth Mal Neu) T:7540 The Temple of Moloch level: 11 11:13 bhaak: one of them, tho i also specificied xl11 there, other ones may have different requirements? IDK 11:14 not 11, xp level 10 is enough 11:14 ah okay 11:14 bhaak: how is it with unnethack? 11:14 because there's a rank name change 11:14 10 as well 11:14 ah okay 11:15 neat 11:15 IIRC, most variants either lowered it to 10 or removed it completely 11:15 cool 11:17 well, that or kill the quest leader. 11:17 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed nekochan's ghost, the former Servant of Scales, on T:1836 11:17 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 501 points, T:1852, exterminated by a bat 11:18 <{Demo}> servant of scales lol 11:18 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 109 points, T:426, dispatched by a serval 11:18 serval of scales 11:18 page of wings = cool. servant of scales = ehhh 11:19 <{Demo}> point is its hard to come up with good rank names 11:19 servant of scales does sort of sound like what someone in a niche BDSM/furry fetish lifestyle would call themselves 11:20 Scales? Furry? Huh? 11:20 aren't there furries that like dragon characters? 11:20 maybe they're called scalies? 11:20 Maybe 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 133 points, T:634, killed by a bear trap 11:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Sting bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:3448 11:21 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) became literate by engraving "Lilje", on T:3292 11:23 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:24 i don't care much about conducts, but does the Elbereth tracking actually work in eh? I never write elbereth and never get the conduct? 11:25 I should start probably just start engraving it (exercises wis) 11:26 rebatela: is the conduct intact when you look at it with #conduct at the start? 11:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 176 points, T:716, killed by a fox 11:27 [hdf-us] [evil] ezion (Inf Ith Mal Una) murdered his faithful homunculus, on T:1 11:28 [hdf-us] [evil] ezion (Inf Ith Mal Una), 16 points, T:27, killed by a jackal 11:29 aosdict: I don't remember.. like i said, it's not a huge deal. Only one i care about is weaponless so i don't really notice when I type #conduct other than that 11:29 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 11:30 but if you look at the scoreboard, hardly anyone has elbe 11:30 i know a lot of people type it when they engrave w/ wands tho so who knows 11:31 hmm looks like if you engrave with a poly wand and transform an engraving into "Elbereth" randomly, you'll break the conduct 11:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4741 11:31 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 625 points, T:2199, mowed down by a nightmare 11:34 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 7526 points, T:4012, killed by a rope golem 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:4023 11:35 -!- captain42 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 11:36 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 11:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 814 points, T:1252, killed by a wand 11:41 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 11:43 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 575 points, T:720, killed by a kobold lady 11:44 are there any variants where tinned food is called dungeonmade or lairmade or hellmade or planemade instead of homemade? 11:46 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 11:47 no 11:50 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:55 rebatela the conduct works, but its not being tracked correctly on the nethack scoreboard 11:55 IIRC the problem is because bitfields suck 11:56 i changed bitfields back with version 0.4.x and the site hasnt taken that into account since 11:56 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:56 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:56 with 0.6.0 its human-readable now but again, the scoreboard would have to accomidate those 11:56 * K2 looks at aoei 11:58 oh crap 11:58 what's changed in the bitfields 11:58 i hadn't realised it was an issue for Evil (we are talking about Evil, aren't we?) 11:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 125 points, T:378, killed by a boulder 11:59 consider it on my to-do list 11:59 yes 11:59 AFAIK, it's only an issue in evilhack 11:59 and I'm pretty sure it came up in #nhs-dev already 11:59 it was an issue for something else, but I've since fixed that 11:59 back in version 0.4.x i changed the order of conduct bitfields, not realizing what that would do to existing scoreboard 11:59 bhaak: IIRC when we discussed this in #nhs-dev it was for another variant and I fixed it 12:00 i need to zero in on which version that happened (as it would break saves) 12:00 aoei: i'm always talking about evil lol 12:01 here's the commit that broke it - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/commit/d743b0cc3294e9c805bf97c57ed825ddcf392751 12:01 specificallt src/topten.c 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 278 points, T:712, killed by a coyote 12:01 *specifically 12:01 splicehack? had that as well? 12:02 i dont remember if splcehack did the same reordering 12:03 I don't think it was splice 12:03 I could check the commit history to see which one I fixed 12:03 oh! I think it was xnh 12:04 I think I fixed some bitfields for xnh 12:04 I should probably go and check if it's an issue in other variants too 12:04 besides Evil 12:04 aoei it was evilhack version 0.4.0 that broke bitfield order 12:04 for versions 0.3.2 and older, its fine 12:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:10992 12:04 0.4.0 to present, its changed 12:04 K2: right. Unfortunately this means additional work because NHS doesn't actually do this per-version currently 12:05 i know 12:05 F 12:05 this pissed off mandevil to no end 12:05 but it's alright, I can implement that 12:05 hence he didnt do anything about it 12:05 it'll just take a bit of time 12:05 heh 12:05 and i cant blame him 12:05 nor can I, but I would like to get this implemented 12:05 i'd appreciate it 12:05 sorry for the extra work 12:05 no worries 12:06 this is the current bitfield order since 0.4.0 - https://github.com/k21971/EvilHack/blob/master/src/topten.c#L521 12:07 thanks 12:09 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bugpowder (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3916 12:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bugpowder (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5148 12:40 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 12:41 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Pal Ill Fem Neu), 3432 points, T:1180, killed by the wrath of a deity (Tyrael) 12:41 why are shop keepers invislbe 12:41 just run into it and you die! 12:42 they're not just invisible 12:42 they can be double invisible 12:42 :( 12:42 yes it's stupid 12:42 as a paladin if you hit that shop keeper you instantly die 12:43 thing is if you can't see them you can't use 'p' to pay for things 12:43 ugh really? 12:43 even if they are an I 12:43 and you might naively think 'ah well no worries, just drop gold on the floor to get credit' 12:43 but? 12:43 well that has a chance of not working, they just yoink the cash and give you no credit 12:43 also priests on an alter of a different alignment would get pissed if you changed the alignment right? 12:43 with a mocking message 12:44 wtf 12:44 yes it's stupid 12:44 lol 12:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:19779 12:45 hashtagjustslexthings 12:46 * aoei hands amateurhour 12 memequids 12:47 amateurhour has become our resident slex expert... mad props 12:48 I've had 2 runs end by invisible shop keepers lately 12:48 F 12:51 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed tsingi's ghost, the former Rogue, on T:5169 12:58 !PoM 12:58 APic: The moon is at last quarter; new moon in 4 days. 13:02 !tell {Demo} if you eth phase out of an engulfed monster then phase back the monster is gone 13:02 No worries, amateurhour, I've got this! 13:02 hax 13:03 it might not be dead, might just be teleported somewhere else 13:03 not sure 13:04 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Kni Hum Fem Law), 284 points, T:1307, killed by a large mimic 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 188842 points, T:39842, quit 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Tou Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:12919 13:19 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2172 13:26 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 13:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1440 points, T:2242, killed by a dwarf 13:28 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Elp Dun Fem Law), 3139 points, T:2960, killed by a monster (tar golem) 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7519 13:31 [hdf-us] [slex] bigdata (Ele Ill Fem Cha), 614 points, T:241, killed by a shotgun shell 13:32 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed nekochan's ghost, the former Servant of Scales, on T:1997 13:35 -!- spicycat has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 13:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:37 why is there a nightmare on level 6, encyclopedia says they only appear in gehennom 13:40 amateurhour: yep delete quest entry requirements completely, make it just be open by default :D everything else is not good enough in my book 13:41 -!- cebolla has joined #hardfought 13:43 !who 13:43 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] groovejumper [dyn] UniDuck [slshm] gt [slshm] Frozty [nh370] rancat [nh370] ToneRobin [nh370] ichbinmiah [nh370] Bliss56 [nh370] DexSG [nh370] dolores [slex] qt [spl] nekochan [spl] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] elenmirie [evil] pevsand [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 13:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una) murdered his faithful homunculus, on T:283 13:48 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 6054 points, T:3439, murdered by a plains centaur 13:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 301 points, T:720, killed by a gas spore's explosion 13:55 -!- tromix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:56 qt_: it is from a deck of fate 13:56 so be careful with the nearby deck of cards lmao 13:56 not sure, if you generated one in the normal dungeon it probably was your bones file! 13:56 I died though 13:57 I mean you had just destroyed my ghost five minutes before posting it, so I'm fairly confident it was a bones level 13:57 that was on a different level actually 13:57 oh interesting 13:57 it was probably a different bones then? cause nightmares won't generate there and I have generated at least 2 13:57 then promptly died 13:59 currently stuck between wishing for an "oR or a BoH so I presume I am obligated to do soko before doing so 13:59 probably a good call 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2308 14:05 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:07 Neko-chan: o/ 14:08 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:3151 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Kunoichi, on T:3371 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3892 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3455 14:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3949 14:23 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:4035 14:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3550 14:25 !tell AntiGulp commit d71ba77cd7 broke manually setting your sexual orientation, it overrides any character set to be straight with a randomly selected orientation 14:25 Will do, qt_! 14:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:8838 14:29 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) destroyed ezion's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:8893 14:30 hi aoei 14:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:8907 14:31 !tell AntiGulp this will fix it I think https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/pull/114 14:31 AntiGulp shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, qt_. 14:31 thank you Beholder 14:38 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:16815 14:38 I actually sort of feel like setting orientation at random, behind the scenes, where the player has to go into the options list to find it is not the best move 14:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9386 14:39 Feels like there should be some way to communicate it more clearly, especially since it differs from vanilla behavior 14:39 I defaulted orientation to straight. I don't really like that, but it's the least disruptive thing 14:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed +2 Grayswandir", on T:5030 14:41 <@riker> slex just prompts you the first first time you encounter a sedu attk 14:41 <@riker> it bases your sexuality off that 14:42 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:42 I think that way is clever 14:44 randomizing by default's better than forcing characters to be straight 14:44 But doing it randomly without telling the player is confusing, I didn't understand why none of the foocubi were interacting with me until I saw my orientation was randomly set to asexual 14:45 And you have to dig into the options list to find that out 14:46 in slex it's of course also so that if the foocubus is trying to initiate the encounter, they don't care about the player's orientation :P in fact, the orientation mainly governs which type of foocubus is more likely to have the player come out on top 14:46 ah yeah, cuz we can easily see when the game has started you with poor stats / too much Cha 14:47 cebolla: you're not forced to be straight (in xnh). you are straight (like in regular nethack) if you don't know the option exists 14:48 I decided that was better than either adding an orientation selection to the start of the game or having new players get unexpected same-sex encounters 14:48 imagine getting outed because your conservative parents saw your .xnethackrc said orientation:gay 14:48 LOL 14:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 5229 points, T:5927, killed by a human mummy 14:50 (note: I don't like the slex-like system of picking your orientation at your first foocubus encounter because a) you then have the power to disable your first foocubus encounter at will if it'd be disadvantageous and b) it wouldn't mesh well with orientation affecting other things) 14:51 as with all things slex aosdict it doesn't disable the encounter 14:51 aosdict: you don't, because as I said, if the foocubus is doing the seduction then the foocubus decides whether to seduce you :D 14:51 there's a roll of the f u dice 14:51 amateurhour: yes, and that I am *strongly* opposed to 14:51 Yeah that makes sense too assuming you retain the normal foocubus behavior and just add the selection system 14:51 It's a tough question really 14:51 it's not that tough, make it not matter 14:52 it's one reason I don't play slex now that I think about it 14:53 if I implemented the minor orientation addition that nymph charm messages are changed based on whether you're attracted to women instead of being male, how does that work if your orientation is indeterminate at the start of the game? 14:53 <{Demo}> just retcon gender out of ur game and nullify it 14:53 {Demo}: Message from amateurhour at 2020-10-11 13:02 EDT: if you eth phase out of an engulfed monster then phase back the monster is gone 14:53 full support Demo 14:53 delet 14:53 <{Demo}> uh oh re that bugwtf 14:54 you're welcome 14:54 I really dislike that in slex I have to get actually raped after specifcally declaring my sexuality. It's almost like you declare it in slex just so it makes you uncomfortable and feels violating. Worst implementation possible imho 14:54 giving u more shit to do when ur rly busy 14:54 single handedly makes me never want to play it 14:54 <{Demo}> probably bad if u have a steed carrying the amulet and it refuses to come 14:54 lol 14:55 Neko-chan: same 14:56 sadly there are people on github arguing that it should be that way in vanilla... 14:57 well foocubi *are* r*** demons after all, why the hell would they consider that lowly mortal's preferences??? 14:57 they're seduction demons. seduction doesn't work if you're not attracted to whoever does the seducing 14:58 it's not like any other demon in the game was considerate of what the player wants, apart from maybe the occasional grateful water demon 14:58 do they actually violently rape your character in game or are you supposed to be overcome by their beauty or something 14:58 Yeah, well, the design philosphy of slex is literally 'kinky nethack' so it draws that sort 14:58 honestly, I feel like ever demon practices safe-sane-consensual 14:58 Neko-chan: that's one part of slex, it's not like the entire game was about that 14:58 safe word is #quit 14:59 qt_: I opt to just never play. Glad there are other kitchen sink variants that are propping up 15:00 I meant in regards to regular demons attacking you consensually 15:00 LarienTelrunya: sure, but all the elements you include that are about that are shoved down your throat. So even if it's not all that, it's not like you can even begin to opt out. It makes it unplayable unless you're willing to relive your rape. I'll just pass on playing 15:00 sure, I don't hold anyone at gunpoint forcing them to play :D 15:01 and the foocubi in vanillia et al do seduce you, not rape you. They literally charm you and it rolls against your CHA, not your strength 15:01 qt_ ^ 15:01 IMHO it's too easy in vanilla to get high enough stats to ensure that most of the time you get positive effects from foocubi 15:01 and it bears repeating: the precedent in vanilla is that foocubi you're not attracted to cannot seduce you (vanilla just assumes who you're attracted to based on your gender) 15:01 they're seducing demons, surely they should be a bit better prepared for encounters with a lowly mortal? 15:02 LarienTelrunya: you still don't hesitate to jump into the talk page on re:orientation to specifically indicate you are going to use the concerns of the players on the page to effectively create a rape system in your game because 'demons do that tehe' 15:02 LarienTelrunya: that can be fixed without making it like slex. can be solved by just adjusting the numbers 15:02 so like, yeah no one is being forced at gunpoint, but it's still there, it's still present 15:03 Yeah, change stat caps to be aggressively lower for powerful races or roles 15:03 you can balance mechanically without including mechanics speficailly to make some players uncomfortable 15:03 aosdict: why not add orientation to the character creation process at the beginning of the game? I saw your message earlier saying you didn't want to do that 15:04 Neko-chan: my tentative plan is to give them a monster level based bonus to the existing formula. messing with stat caps will certainly upset other balance 15:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1588 15:04 imo it should be difficult for any character to get better than 50% odds versus a foocubus 15:04 yeah fair, monster level makes sense 15:04 <{Demo}> always be as strong as you can and let the least things get to you 15:05 sexual orientation should be set via kinsey scale 15:05 And maybe a one time prompt at the beginning of character creation which updates your rc file with a persistance option 15:05 qt_: same reasoning as antigulp. it's pretty disruptive and annoying for the relatively small impact it has on the gmae 15:05 game 15:05 qt_: I assure you that scale doesn't work or communicate anything 15:05 I do think that every time is too much 15:06 but once and having it just set the option and it never comes up again 15:06 it's a lot harder to write something into the player's config file in nethack 3.x reliably and non-destructively than it looks though 15:06 especially when you bring up servers 15:06 that's probably the best synthesis between 'random' and 'default is straight' 15:06 I don't think any other options work like that, do they? 15:07 No, so a new system of doing that would have to be created for it to work. 15:07 don't write the user config file, write another file that keeps the settings 15:07 That's still designing another system 15:07 so you can ensure its format and not the player screwing up things 15:07 If it's written to a different config file won't it be confusing if you want to change your orientation later? Or you mean another file would retain the default and the rcfile could override it? 15:08 ^ 15:08 qt_: yes, the latter 15:08 <{Demo}> nhinrl 15:08 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:23353 15:08 but then you probably want to keep track where the options were coming from 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Ran Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:21901 15:09 there is already the odd special of nethack options from env variables 15:09 Honestly, the default being straight and then like, having an option flag at all, is still a very viable option. Especially with a commented out orientation flag in the sample rc 15:10 But can't nethack already edit the rc in the middle of a game? by changing options from the in game menu? 15:10 No, that doesn't edit the rcfile 15:10 It retains those options for a while but not permanently like the rcfile does 15:10 some are retained for the current game 15:10 are there NH variants where choosing is more like moving radio buttons around? ie picking something doesn't immediately send you to the next screen 15:10 there are options that are always taken from the rc file and some are written into the save game and persisted for the current game 15:11 during character creation 15:11 cebolla: you can go back with the 3.6+ character creation and change your selection 15:12 Maybe you could set orientation in-game via the options list up until the point where it is actually used in some way, and then it gets locked down for that game? 15:12 That way it wouldn't be added to character creation but you could still set it on turn 1 if you don't want to mess around with your rcfile 15:12 that sounds like "you are now X turns old. you should now know what orientation you have" ;-) 15:12 have just one foocubi type that doesnt discriminate 15:12 fuck em all so to speak 15:13 bhaak: it's not a phase, mom, I'm 2000 turns old and I know who I love 15:14 K2: there is a demon prince in splicehack which does that 15:14 bisexual doesnt cover the whole spectrum does it? 15:14 Neko-chan hah cool 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:10211 15:14 what do you call someone who is attracted to all genders? not just male/female but ALL of them? 15:15 a lot of people say it does, and nearly everyone who uses it uses it as like 'pan-' for all not 'bi-' for two 15:15 Like, there is discourse around that specifically 15:15 K2: pansexual? 15:15 but for the most part pansexual and bisexual are interchangable 15:15 Pan the Sexual 15:15 omnisexual? (mind you I'm not an expert on that field) 15:15 I think pansexual is more common but I guess omni means the same? idk 15:16 bi is inclusive to everything even if the latin prefix is not 15:16 let us consult teh googel 15:16 I thought pansexual had some meaning besides "basically bisexual except including nonbinary people" 15:16 and everyone I know of uses pan not omni 15:16 I like the idea Neko-chan has about putting it into the default rcfile commented out, that does seem like it would help strike a balance between implementing another system vs making players straight unless they look up some arcane list of options 15:16 And would not be a major or difficult change to make 15:16 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality 15:16 aosdict: not really. Maybe for a little bit but the discourse is absolutely such that bisexual is inclusive as much as pansexual (or omnisexual) is 15:17 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 15:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 15:17 But like, being 'bisexual' and thinking 'oh yeah I like Men and Women but not 'the trans'' is pretty uncommon and frankly just transphobic 15:17 ^ 15:17 AntiGulp: Message from qt_ at 2020-10-11 14:25 EDT: commit d71ba77cd7 broke manually setting your sexual orientation, it overrides any character set to be straight with a randomly selected orientation 15:17 AntiGulp: Message from qt_ at 2020-10-11 14:31 EDT: this will fix it I think https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/pull/114 15:17 aaa 15:17 no one genuinely goes around projecting that unless they mean harm 15:18 <@riker> that's not because you're bi that's just because you're an ass lmao 15:18 the only discourse we care about in this household is disk horse, the horse I use for mounted ultimate frisbee 15:18 riker exactly 15:18 yeah I agree 15:18 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/764929885734436874/tumblr_p5iegckZR81r9qoglo1_1280.png 15:18 lets bring this back to disc horse 15:18 Thanks for the PR, qt_. I’ll pull it in 15:18 incubi/succubi have history though, they've been around for centuries. maybe its time to make a singular pansexual demon 15:18 <@riker> actual footage of qt_ at home 15:18 @riker lol wut 15:18 <@riker> i personally subscribe to the theory that incubi are tops and succubi are bottoms 15:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +5 gauntlets of power", on T:62232 15:19 <@riker> k2, i'ts a disk horse. what more needs to be said? 15:19 riker lol oh sweet summer child 15:19 -!- AntiGulp has left #hardfought 15:19 some of the most wonderful succubi are tops 15:19 ha! got them +5 15:19 <@riker> then ur using the word wrong 15:19 qt_ you're on a roll. maybe you can figure out why altars sometimes randomly change to unaligned in evilhack 15:19 <@riker> hot takes 15:20 <@riker> k2: ok i still can't figure that one out i'm blaming that bug on the level save system breaking somehow 15:20 ugh 15:20 ah no, I am not 15:20 i didnt mess with the save system though, except for shamblin horror persistient stats 15:20 <@riker> i know :/ which confuses me 15:20 oh6 wooo 15:20 but this conversation has gotten on such a big tangent I'm just going back to splicehack 15:21 its good to discuss these things 15:21 and its been civil 15:21 so yay 15:21 yeah, yay, it has been civil 15:22 :) 15:22 my position: it isn't inconceivable that demons might rape player characters, not necessarily through force but through magic. obviously such content could be triggering for some, and including a trigger warning for the game might be a good idea. 15:23 aoei: but why is it necessary to have that in the game at all? 15:23 you all know this exists right?: 15:23 # Uncomment the next line to disable the SEDUCE option, causing succubi and 15:23 # incubi to use nymphs' charm behavior rather than their own seduce behavior. 15:23 i didn't say it was necessary 15:23 #SEDUCE=0 15:23 you care so much about committing to this piece of flavor that it's worth putting stuff in the game that needs trigger warnings? 15:24 there are some dark and trouble things in life and some pieces of fictional work are also dark and troubling. murder and violence are too, and those are in loads of games 15:24 my two cents 15:25 there are also keystone kops in the game which could be triggering to people who, say, lost a relative through police brutality, so why are they in the game? 15:25 hmm dont go down this road 15:25 yeah I know it was a stupid example 15:25 you start trying to cater to every little sensibility out there, you'll go crazy 15:26 K2 makes a good point 15:26 its simple actually. here's . play it, if there's something in it you dont like, either 1) stop playing it or 2) change it yourself and play that version 15:27 nethack is GREAT for option 2 15:27 Yeah, I've got some strong opinions about slex so I simply... don't play it 15:27 indeed K2 15:27 omg K2 I love you now ♥ <3 thanks a lot! 15:27 Neko-chan: and that is completely fair 15:27 and yeah, patches are real 15:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Exhumer, on T:9730 15:27 (and yeah I already loved you before, didn't want to imply that I didn't ♥) 15:28 lmao I was liiterally about to say you already did 15:28 omg lol 15:28 i <3 K2 also 15:28 K2 is great 15:28 pfft 15:28 Amy should we tag team bundle K2 15:28 * K2 starts to dry heave 15:28 XD 15:28 *bundleflundle-heart!* :D 15:29 * aoei bundles K2 15:29 K2: I think there's some difference between getting community input about a potentially offensive mechanic before deciding whether to *add* it vs bowing to pressure to *remove* something that is part of an existing game 15:29 LarienTelrunya: there is still something to be said about understanding what you say and do and internalize does have an impact on others, and you can be respectful to other people while still indulging your interests. 'just look away' only goes so far in a niche community like this 15:29 qt_ you're correct 15:29 and yeah, standing up to changes in vanilla is a lot different than being upset over something in slex 15:29 Neko-chan: well slex has things that trigger me personally, too, and I wouldn't remove them either just because they make me uncomfortable 15:30 devteam already had the foresight to allow for a very easy tweak in sysconf to change foocubi behavior 15:32 i think it'd be a cool though if the devteam added support for genders other than the usual 2 and adjusted foocubi accordingly 15:33 heh that reminds me of the person from 4chan who wanted me to increase the # of playable genders in slex to 32 15:33 LarienTelrunya: I haven't actually asked you to remove anything, for the record. So you don't need to get defensive of your game. It's your game, you maintain it 15:33 i've held off doing it in evilhack because from what I gather, splicehack/xnethack have bugs with it? 15:33 K2: hnng nonbinary femboy foocubus when 15:34 i would just make one foocubus. 'Ned' 15:34 Ned wouldnt discriminate at all 15:34 Ned the pansexual demon 15:34 OR 15:34 make foocubi for each of the 50+ genders out there 15:34 hah 15:34 Bad joke 15:35 thats not a joke? arent there a shit ton of actual genders? 15:35 Not really. 15:35 Neko-chan: you seem pretty on top of this sort of thing, is it meaningful to say you are `nonbinary and straight'? What would that mean? 15:36 That's not people's actual lived experienced K2 15:36 K2: adding orientation has not been bug prone. however, antigulp's efforts to contort the code into allowing nonbinary characters have been arduous. 15:36 qt_: it is! Some people do, but at some point in the gender thing it all becomes a blur and you stop worrying about it as much 15:36 i dont claim to be an expert by any means on this subject. feel free to enlighten me 15:37 At some point, labels become less effective than just describing oneself 15:37 like it gets a lot harder to maintain the 'specific orientation' thing in regards to people changing genders and being nonbinary or being a neogender 15:37 nonbinary is a big umbrella, some people consider themselves nonbinary but aligned with or partially one of the binary genders, with less/none of the other 15:37 aosdict: exactly 15:37 and in those cases the possibility of being straight makes sense 15:37 and that point is usually pretty early? 15:37 not for all nonbinary genders/experiences, but for some 15:38 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 154 points, T:207, killed by a sewer rat 15:38 I ask because in splicehack I think you can set yourself as `nonbinary' and `straight' -- in that case being nonbinary is the whole of the information on your sex/gender, and I'm curious what that combination should mean w/r/t foocubi interactions 15:38 yeah in my experience once you are through all the self questioning it's a lot easier to get to the galaxy brain take 'everything is just 'gay'' and that's when it starts getting easier 15:38 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 1218 points, T:2596, killed by a gnome mummy 15:39 qt_: yeah that *specific* combination doesn't have enough information to make a lot of sense imo, i think listing the gender/s the character is attracted to would work better in that particular case 15:39 In real life, you'd probably be like, still aligned with a gender somewhat if you were iding as nb/straight, so I'd imagine it would be like "I like $sex or $myPartner" 15:39 in splicehack it is the same as being asexual, looks like 15:40 a lot of people like that are probably just with their partner still, but nearly everyone i know reaches the point where labelling your orientation because very light on information 15:40 apparently facebook allows for 58 different gender options 15:40 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:41 yeah i just say 'queer' [for myself], easier that way 15:41 When I first transitioned like, 6 years ago, I was dating 'a girl' who then later became a 'boy' and then we both ended up as nonbinary, and like, our orientation just kept whipping around until we realize it never really mattered 15:41 I also just say queer now 15:41 K2: neogenders do exist but not in the way cis het people see/feel about them 15:41 neo 15:42 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 15:42 not many trans people are incredibly hung up on them or like demanding they exist. It is a lot more common with people still finding their identity, especially younger people 15:42 K2: sure, individual labels can vary a lot but they aren't like ... each one goes with a particular other one, or anything like that, and there aren't generally specific orientations for each one 15:42 loli: neo sporin 15:42 I don't know why I said that. I haven't seen the movie kung fu since I was like 12. that was a bit from that 15:42 neopan 15:43 neo as in new, which is what people refer to all the 42+ genders or whatever 15:43 https://static.bhphoto.com/images/images500x500/Fujifilm_10237201_Neopan_400_135_36_Professional_Black_1232623220000_18667.jpg 15:43 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 15:43 see also 'neopronouns' for invented/nonstandard pronouns 15:43 ^ 15:43 hard enough figuring out your own identity it seems nowadays, shouldnt have to try and wade through a multitude of others 15:43 'i like oyu. i dont like you' done 15:43 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 18 points, T:53, killed by a jackal 15:44 K2: yeah that's really how it works, ultimately 15:44 Neko-chan: neosporin is a brand of antibiotic cream 15:44 you meet people and you like them, or you don't 15:44 aosdict: interesting 15:44 yup 15:45 so back to nethack - what genders make sense to be all inclusive as possible? male/female/nonbinary? 15:45 or do there need to be more? 15:45 I personally really like having male/female/nonbinary 15:45 I think those three should cover it cuz nonbinary basically means "everything else" 15:45 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 15:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 15:45 I don't think you need more, but some might say ace 15:45 Is that a gender? 15:45 I thought that was a sexual orientation 15:45 isn't ace just asexual 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh363] spleen (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:36481 15:45 well AntiGulp is here, let's ask her if she ever wants to add more genders 15:45 yeah it's not ag ender it's an orientation 15:45 hey AntiGulp 15:45 Maybe Neko-chan meant agender if that 15:45 ohhhh 15:45 yes, sorry 15:46 I meant agender, as in without gender 15:46 that was my bad 15:46 I think just in terms of mechanics `agender' and `nonbinary' will basically be identical from the point of view of the player 15:46 I don't see any way that would be meaningful to differentiate between those two in a way that impacts gameplay 15:46 also it's conceivable that nonbinary somehow includes agender, but I don't know what the canon definitions are tbh 15:47 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 119 points, T:317, killed by a falling rock 15:47 yeah, I think that M/F/NB is the best way to go 15:48 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 70 points, T:130, killed by a goblin 15:48 I’m not against adding more gender options in Splice (particularly if there was demand), but I drag my feet over everything gender-related in splice because the initial implementation took years off my life. 15:48 It was painful as hell. In order to avoid overwhelming the player with options while also being inclusive, I think M/F/NB is the best way to go. 15:48 I was legitimately excited to find splicehack had a NB option, even if I ultimately had to switch back to 'female' for strategic purposed 15:48 Yeah, I agree with AntiGulp 15:49 I think that there is a third option at all is good 15:49 basically that, yeah, it isn't possible to cover 100% of all possible experiences 15:49 I’m really glad people like the nonbinary option. It took a long time to implement, but ultimately worth it. 15:49 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 208 points, T:195, killed by a goblin 15:49 i love that option and i started playing splice because of it 15:49 same 15:49 :D 15:49 AntiGulp are nonbinary straight and gay the same as being nonbinary asexual? 15:49 From a gameplay standpoint at least 15:49 lately i got fixated on crawl again so i haven't played any nethack in a while but at some point i'll pick it up again lol 15:49 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 34 points, T:102, killed by a goblin 15:50 I’m not nonbinary, so I don’t want to step on any toes, but it’s largely a personal relationship with one’s identity and how one chooses to label oneself. From a gameplay perspective, yes. 15:50 Oh yeah I don't mean in real life, people explained to me earlier what that could mean irl 15:51 I was just curious if there was some differentiation in-game that I didn't notice 15:51 AntiGulp: so does splicehack also have an attraction setting along with gender choice? 15:51 There is orientation as well as gender 15:51 K2: you can set your sexual orientation, that's how the whole conversation started 15:51 but orientation is an options flag 15:51 talking about how that is set & presented to the player 15:52 ^ 15:52 K2: Yeah. It’s set via config file. The setting being in the config is definitely a point of contention (as seen today), and I’m not crazy happy with how it’s implemented, but that’s how it is for now. 15:52 Does it load the sample rc as your default rc when you start? 15:52 gotcha 15:53 aosdict does xnethack use the same system as splicehack or did you implement your own? 15:53 Neko-chan: Depends on the port, IIRC? Windows has a different sample rc 15:53 Ugh, now I’m thinking about the window port again *shudder* 15:54 K2: xnethack has hetero/homo/bi (no asexual because of gameplay implications) and I haven't attempted to spend the sort of time I'd need to on porting over nonbinary 15:54 ok 15:54 any further changes to this system are not a high priority 15:54 YASI: Implement the good/evil axis in addition to the law/chaos axis. All nine alignments. 15:54 AntiGulp: I only bring it up to wonder if orientation is commented out there 15:54 at some point i want to do something similar for evilhack, just figuring out 1) when to do it and 2) how 15:54 K2: also, bisexual affects foocubi differently than it does in splice. 15:55 How does it differ? 15:55 splice generates half of foocubi with a severe headache. xnethack doesn't, but foocubi are twice as likely to get a severe headache. 15:55 (per encounter) 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5276 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12306 15:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 8490 points, T:5330, killed by a dwarf 15:56 Oh so it's not the actual seduction system itself that changes if you're bi, there are just safeguards to make sure you don't end up having 2x the foocubus access basically? 15:56 i think the way i'd do it on the foocubi side, is get rid of incubi/succubi, and just have one gender-fluid seduce demon 15:57 qt_: Correct. I didn't like the flavor of having half the demons generate "inaccessible" either. 15:57 that way it doesnt matter what gender/orientation you pick. it still wants to seduce you and will shift itself accordingly 15:57 "The foocubi takes the shape of someone irresitable! The foocubi charms you!" 15:57 It would be interesting if there was a demon that was literally gender-fluid in the sense that it can shapeshift into your ideal sexual partner, which would remove the sexual assault stuff that is a potential concern with `demons fuck everything' 15:57 Yeah, and like 15:58 the charm language still fits then 15:58 Not to resurrect the foocubus discourse, but here’s how I’ve always interpreted foocubi seduction: 15:58 I don't mind being _seduced_ as much as mind something specifically coded to a certain gender acting a certain pushy way 15:58 K2: that will work better if your game still has a concept of 'everyone is capable of being attracted to either male or female' because then you can just have cubi shift into the other form without changing actual monsters 15:59 ^ 15:59 yeah seems way easier to program too 15:59 one case that just makes itself fit 15:59 if you introduce asexuality it gets trickier. what is an 'ideal partner' for an asexual character? they don't have one 15:59 a lot less discourse about it 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) averted death (killed by a sewer rat), on T:3512 15:59 sewer rat! 15:59 My headcanon has always been that foocubi are so incredibly attractive that your character instantly falls in love/lust with them. 15:59 aosdict: it's a fellow ace person who just steals your stuff 16:00 "The foocubi removes your gloves, 'It's for the cause, comrade!'" 16:00 lol 16:00 Heck, the system I described would be compatible with xnethack, though I don't have any strong reason to implement it. 16:00 Auditors that repossess your items 16:00 It spawns your dad "I paid for that!" 16:01 lol 16:01 Maybe the foocubi just don't show up to work if there is an ace person going through the dungeon. They just call rnd(3) nymphs to cover their shift 16:01 Splice already has lawyers. It’ll happen one day. 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:12685 16:01 oof 16:01 genocide lawyers 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:3682 16:01 the worm with legs 16:02 Actually, in their initial implementation, lawyers were bugged and could deal ~200 damage in a single turn. I found this out the hardway. 16:02 \o/ 16:02 …during junethack 16:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 5255 points, T:3753, killed by a jaguar 16:03 you've been issued a subpoena! You die... 16:03 "The lawyer removes a book. 'Actually, if you look up paragraph 5 of subsection 42(ii), I am entitled to have my damage multiplied by...'" 16:03 42 16:03 Once a pet I had got transformed into a purple worm, and since I had named it after my little sister, I told her about it and she got excited because she loves worms. So I told her all these stories about the worm levelling up and eating things and she was estatic, and now whenever I have a pet named after her she is like "TURN ME INTO A WORM!!" 16:03 lol 16:03 hah 16:03 She was losing it over the worm with legs monster, she wants to be one of those now 16:03 how old is your little sister Neko-chan? 16:04 uh, 18 haha 16:04 heh 16:04 we just fully embrace being weird and easily excitable 16:04 one of the coolest dad things i've ever done was to add my daughter to evilhack 16:04 nice!! that's the dream 16:05 I can't wait to be a parent and do goofy stuff like that 16:05 she asked me periodically how many heroes she's killed 16:05 *asks 16:05 lol 16:05 I have a bunch of names picked out and I often name pets after them and it's fun 16:05 lol awwwww 16:05 K2: That's adorable!! 16:05 truly your kin 16:05 some parents might find that disturbing... 16:05 her and our two dogs are in the game 16:05 Dad, how many heroes have I eaten today? 16:05 you can defeat her but not actually kill her 16:05 62, child 16:06 daddy, did I kill them with that acid-blast spell again? 16:06 yes sweetie 16:06 she's done me in a couple of times 16:06 Neko-chan, she's 8 yrs old so this made her pretty excited 16:06 K2: i'm imagining a baby dragon 16:07 not just in the game but that your kid is just a dragon 16:07 K2: that's really awesome 16:07 That’s so adorable 16:07 oh she's not a dragon :) 16:07 she has a plushy chthulhu toy too 16:07 the acid blast sounds like a dragon! 16:07 she is Kathryn the Ice Queen and if you defeat her, you lift the curse and she becomes Kathryn the Enchantress 16:08 werekitten, acid blast is a spell in evilhack (monster and player spell) 16:08 oh cool! 16:08 Frozen!! 16:08 and our dogs Koa and Ozzy defend her 16:08 oh yeah she LOVES frozen 16:08 that's really cute K2 16:08 i've seen that movie so many fuckin times... 16:08 lmao that's so awesome 16:09 yeah, the joys of parenting... I worked in a daycare most of my life and I have seen the movie "Cars" at least 100 times 16:09 if you ever try out evilhack, you can find the entrance to her realm right before medusa level 16:09 if you live that long, bwahahahaha 16:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered the Big Room, on T:26485 16:09 I have always been too busy dying on dlvl2 16:09 Neko-chan omg yeah... so many kid movies i've seen 16:09 I really need to play more EvilHack. 16:09 cant unsee them 16:10 lol elenmirie_ 16:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed Qwesti's ghost, the former Gallant, on T:1430 16:11 alright i need to take care of this laundry and then eat food. great discussion folks 16:12 cya in a bit 16:12 bye! 16:12 bye 16:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6530 16:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 863 points, T:1165, zapped himself with a wand 16:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14503 16:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Gia Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:39779 16:18 You continue your efforts to memorize the spell. You add the "acid blast" spell to your repertoire. 16:18 100% failure rate, of course 16:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 285 points, T:663, killed by a sewer rat 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1063 points, T:2081, killed by a dwarf 16:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law) polymorphed his first object, on T:14536 16:20 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 36375 points, T:15074, killed by an Elvenking, while frozen by a potion 16:27 AntiGulp: what do you think about this? https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/pull/115 16:28 changes the welcome message on starting a game to this https://0x0.st/iGMu.png 16:28 it stays the same on restoring an existing game unless your orientation has changed since starting the game (not that there's a method to do that afaik) 16:28 as a splhacker, I like it 16:29 ooh, I like it. 16:29 also when I say `stays the same' I mean it's the same as the current welcome message, orientation is omitted 16:31 wait should it come before or after gender? is it more natural to say `a gay female X' or `a female gay X'? 16:31 probably orientation goes before gender right? 16:32 Yeah, orientation first sounds better 16:32 <@riker> ^ 16:33 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 16:34 actually does anyone see gender show up in that welcome message? looking at the code it should include `female' or whatever when starting a new game if (a) there's no special gender-specific name for the role, like Priestess, and (b) the role allows multiple genders 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 238 points, T:1073, killed by a wand 16:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:8938 16:35 <@riker> I think it does? 16:35 Something in splice seems to have broken it so I will try to fix that too AntiGulp 16:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:9078 16:35 !lastgame Bliss56 16:36 arahael: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bliss56/nethack/dumplog/1602447572.nh.html 16:36 don't merge it yet I am going to try to include that as well 16:37 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed Bliss56's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:2609 16:37 qt_: gotchu. Thank you so much for all the PRs; you’ve fixed so much shit in splice. 16:38 happy to do it, I have really enjoyed working with you on stuff! 16:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law), 121 points, T:454, killed by a boulder 16:41 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 16:45 Are bones levels "extra" to the game, or do they replace an otherwise randomly generated level? 16:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Initiate, on T:3137 16:46 i mean if you load a bones it's not randomly generated cuz it's loading a file 16:46 arahael: Replace an existing level 16:46 Ah, thanks. :) 16:46 The total dungeon levels will always be somewhere in the same range of 5 or so levels, depending on the length of the main dungeon. 16:46 Np :) 16:46 aoei: Yes, I know that the bones itself isn't a random-generated level. ;) 16:47 ok sorry i guess i misunderstood your question arahael 16:47 No worries. :) 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:63735 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:63738 16:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:62473 16:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:63775 16:52 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 16:52 AntiGulp: fixed the gender thing and pushed it 16:52 looks like this now https://0x0.st/iGML.png 16:53 \o/ 16:54 qt_: nice 16:54 thank you, thank you 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:63906 16:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:63909 16:55 “Sipaliwini swings her copper shotgun named Monster Slayer at Draciel.” Well THAT’S not good. 16:57 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:39444 16:58 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) picked up the Bell of Opening, on T:39447 16:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 24800 points, T:11052, killed by a troll 16:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2264 16:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3970 17:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:3976 17:00 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:4020 17:02 chaotic gay female infernal pirate is my spirit animal 17:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:3009 17:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:64671 17:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had a pair of wooden kicking boots entrusted to her by Crom, on T:42470 17:14 I can just kick myself 17:15 contrats AntiGulp, you paralyzed me with fear... spotted a "Lawyer" in the castle and got the shivers! 17:15 scariest adversary I've ever seen. 17:16 :D 17:18 sweet victory "The lawyer be crushed by the falling portcullis! Ye kill the lawyer!" 17:19 that lawyer worked for the Yendorian Innocence Project 17:19 monster 17:19 <@riker> hm spl lawyers seem evil 17:19 <@riker> d5 paralysis on 1/4 of casts? 17:21 he got innumerable innocent men off using DNA evidence (i.e. attacking the courtroom with a dragon, a naga, and an archon) 17:23 heh 17:23 ah yes, lawyers are bad, an excellent piece of corporate agenda inserted into the public consciousness 17:23 ahhhh 17:24 k2: gh crash 17:24 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: The ammos always mulch, even when they're highly enchanted.] 17:25 !tell k2 please recover grunt crash thanks 17:25 No worries, hothraxxa, I've got this! 17:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2035 17:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a lizard corpse on an altar, on T:5648 17:31 Hey qt_, what font do you use in your terminal? I really like it, and I’m thinking of switching. 17:32 It's scientifica, I like it a lot too https://github.com/NerdyPepper/scientifica 17:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had a spear entrusted to her by Crom, on T:43456 17:32 Sweet, thanks! 17:32 The italic font isn't perfectly monospaced though, and since I am using kitty I had to edit it in fontforge to get the letters to line up properly (since it's a `cursive' styled italic font) 17:33 So if you are using a terminal that insists on monospaced fonts the italic might look a little hinky 17:34 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5549 17:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5918 17:37 -!- Menchers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:37 AntiGulp: this is my edited italic font that will work in kitty if you want it too https://entrez.cc/static/scientificaItalic.dfont 17:38 qt_: do you like kitty? I was thinking about switching but idk it felt weirdly unmodern to me. I'm using termite right now, but I don't think anyone is maintaining it 17:38 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KNWh6Kw3ejQ 17:38 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu), 8314 points, T:6714, killed by a watchman 17:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 6374 points, T:3321, killed by a pony 17:40 I like how fast it is and that I can drive it 100% from the keyboard even for things like opening links, searching the scrollback buffer, etc, but I haven't really tried a ton of terminal emulators 17:41 !tell hothraxxa grunthack game recovered 17:41 K2: Message from hothraxxa at 2020-10-11 17:25 EDT: please recover grunt crash thanks 17:41 I'm on it, K2. 17:43 I haven't really encountered something I wished the terminal emulator specifically could do that I wasn't able to effectively do with another program in the shell (le epic unix philosophy) 17:44 But I'm sure there are a ton of features I don't even know about in other terminal emulators lol 17:45 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Gia Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:43908 17:48 yeah, makes sense. I also like keyboard driven ones. I really spend so much time in emacs though that my terminal type stops mattering as much. I just don't like using a terminal that isn't being maintained, seems sketch 17:48 -!- werekitten has quit [Quit: leaving] 17:49 -!- misha has joined #hardfought 17:50 Neko-chan: Emacs has some weird timing-related issues on some old terminals, iirc. :) It's one reason there's a few alternatives to some key chord combinations. 17:50 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 17:51 Not something I've ever encountered, but I could totally imagine that being the case 17:53 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 17:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "a blessed greased bag of holding", on T:67607 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 198 points, T:915, killed by a large mimic 18:04 -!- cebolla is now known as spicycat 18:04 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:05 Neko-chan: I once had an *old* terminal at a library where I found myself unable to press 'esc'. It wasn't an entirely recognised key sequence. 18:08 Oh that's super weird. My emacs config used to set ryo-mode with esc, I have no idea why I ever thought that was a good idea 18:10 Neko-chan: In some tty's, specific key codes are expressed using *timing*. 18:10 There is a lot of darkness in those days. 18:12 that Esc thing still happens 18:13 arrow keys, function keys, Ins/Del/Home/End/PgUp/PgDn, etc are represented by a multi-character sequence that starts with an Esc code 18:13 escape itself is a bare Esc code 18:14 Yeah I can enter x/x as x if I type them quickly enough in succession, I thought that was still standard 18:16 there used to be a possible fix for this, replacing \033[ with \233, but this has been formally abandoned with the advent of UTF-8 18:21 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:24 hmmm ok I have actually experienced that 18:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 1297 points, T:2579, killed by a dwarf 18:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 980 points, T:2184, killed by a dwarf 18:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) was given Frost Brand, on T:70267 18:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:24969 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:11785 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 443 points, T:1842, killed by a dart 18:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:25224 18:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:25279 18:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:64084 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:11895 18:44 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: ZZAZZ] 18:45 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 18:45 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 18:45 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 18:46 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Client Quit] 18:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Mammon, on T:26058 18:48 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 490 points, T:2513, killed by a wand 18:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Dagon, on T:26200 18:54 -!- k-man_ is now known as k-man 18:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Crone Lilith, on T:26413 18:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Daughter Lilith, on T:26417 18:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Verier, on T:26418 18:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Mother Lilith, on T:26452 18:59 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 17539 points, T:13257, killed by a leocrotta 18:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) murdered Sibley, his faithful titan, on T:64575 19:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:64588 19:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the invisible Avatar of Lolth, on T:26585 19:06 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 19:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Pale Night, on T:26722 19:09 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed pevsand's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:1507 19:10 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:12 'lo folks 19:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Glasya, on T:27207 19:13 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 19:13 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:21773 19:14 * Umbire golf-claps 19:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Daemon, on T:27326 19:15 Umbire: i've called him dabby before, but not dabsy, dabbadoo, dabnabbit, or dabby-poo yet 19:15 I'd think he would violently object to the lattermost one. 19:16 I sure would. 19:16 Dabnabbit on the other hand... 19:16 🤔 19:16 spicycat: yabbadabbadoo 19:17 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 19:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Asmodeus, on T:27496 19:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:27631 19:21 I want to wish for an amulet of reflection but I probably lost some luck. 19:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:27775 19:27 Why just an amulet? 19:28 gotta love it when a monster steals and item and you have to buy it back cause it was in a shop! 19:28 (This is mostly an excuse for me to hear how your game's gone so far) 19:31 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 19:32 I already used a few wishes Umbire. I found a wand early on, and I needed both a boh and an amulet, so I did soko, planning to wish for the other 19:32 I'm probably also going to wish for the mitre of holiness, I think 19:32 but my luck is probably not in a great spot so I'm gonna go use these wands of create monster to change that 19:33 Enjoy and be safe 19:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:28673 19:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:29362 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 178 points, T:522, killed by a giant rat 19:47 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) wished for "Blessed Fixed Greased Amulet of Reflection", on T:22747 19:47 -!- Disruptor has joined #hardfought 19:48 dnethack question - what's better for increasing carrying capacity, the wallet of perseus or the tye dye shirt of shanambula? 19:48 make sure to spell it right: shambhala 19:49 and I would also guess the wish parser won't process "tye dye" right 19:49 yes, I'll get the spelling right when I get to the wish 19:49 are you saying the shirt is better for an overall capacity increase? 19:50 I don't know the answer to that. @riker? 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3516 19:50 <@riker> shirt is probably better bc it works on all items 19:50 <@riker> it's +50% total carrycap 19:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Famine, on T:30297 19:50 <@riker> wallet is 1/6 for carried vs 1/4, which is not as much i think, and it only works on actually bagged items 19:51 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) wished for "Blessed Greased Fixed +2 mitre of holiness", on T:22895 19:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Crom, on T:30320 19:51 <@riker> uncursed shirt is +25% btw, blessed is +50% 19:51 <@riker> communion rune is +25% or 30% as well and it's slotless, but requires you to maintain 20 or so insight 19:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Pestilence, on T:30356 19:52 <@riker> doesn't cost an artifact wish, but costs an artifact to donate or a regular wish to wish fro the glyph itself 19:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 9975696 points, T:30377, ascended 19:52 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1602360122.dnh.txt 19:54 <@microlance> rakuyo-saber brands on a barbarian is good, i think it should be allowed in the next version as well 19:54 I never have problems with insight, for better or worse :-P 19:54 I'll get that eventually either way 19:54 this damn elven noble is having some problems with my packrat style of play 19:55 <@riker> it is not allowed because it is stupid microlance 19:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3984 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2467 19:58 -!- Disruptor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:59 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2997 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Sam Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:4336 20:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Sam Hum Fem Law), 5551 points, T:4336, killed by a mind flayer 20:02 !lastgame 20:02 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/p/plaxcaster/nethack/dumplog/1602365208.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1602360122.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/dumplog/1602414072.nh.html 20:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1478 points, T:3021, quit 20:02 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 20:02 Oof, minesflayer 20:10 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:14 !who 20:14 K2: [hdf-us] UniDuck [slshm] Frozty [nh370] plaxcaster [nh370] Karnac [nh370] dolores [slex] nekochan [spl] Som [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] No current players 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 732 points, T:1774, killed by a dwarf 20:14 Hi KK 20:15 Dude every time you do that someone fucking dies 20:16 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 20:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 425 points, T:1138, killed by a hobgoblin 20:27 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 20:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Kni Hlf Fem Law), 2074 points, T:1302, killed by a magic missile 20:32 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 20:34 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 20:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1305 points, T:1389, killed by a giant ant 20:36 Go team a! 20:36 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 20:37 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 20:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:3, killed by a falling rock 20:40 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:41 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Quit: leaving] 20:42 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 20:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Sam Hum Fem Law), 2469 points, T:3328, killed by a giant spider 20:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 308 points, T:873, killed by a bat 20:51 Weird, just lost 2 pets randomly. Don't think it was a level teleporter. Maybe some trapper? I'll have to check my tty later 20:52 Yeah, you'd get the required feeling for a moment if you did, along with having their inventories dropped on the floor. 20:54 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Fem Law) attained the rank of Page of Scales, on T:27996 20:55 -!- loli has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.9] 20:57 -!- loli has joined #hardfought 21:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2168 21:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) murdered Catnip, his faithful kitten, on T:2342 21:07 whyyy 21:08 probably on accident 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Sam Hum Fem Law), 1618 points, T:2477, killed by a rothe 21:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 254 points, T:1259, killed by a gnome lord 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time by mimicking an orange, on T:3021 21:13 kinda want to try hitting this transmuter with stuff, but also kinda... don't... seems like a dumb way to splat and it might be better to just reverse poly them if that is my plan 21:15 Transmuter? 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3554 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Adept, on T:3793 21:19 Umbire heh 21:19 <@riker> spl adds a monster that randomizes materials of things you hit it with, and when it hits you 21:19 just noticed your comment from an hour ago 21:19 o 21:19 <@riker> i'm still struggling to turn all my lead rocks into golden ones though :( 21:19 That's what was being talked about before 21:19 lol riker 21:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:66310 21:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2606 points, T:4177, killed by a bolt of fire 21:26 * Umbire goes to start up an Arc on his phone but finds he already had one in progress 21:27 ooh, found me a fl1 elfcoat next to an altar 21:27 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:7629 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 84 points, T:232, killed by a sewer rat 21:36 Oh, interesting. I got myself a pet chameleon in soko. 21:37 Splice chameleons are infinitely better pet choices if I recall. 21:38 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7982 21:38 Sick, stethoscope 21:38 If only I hadn't misplaced my pet almost immediately 21:39 Ah, interesting. Shame I'm in vanilla. :) 21:40 Ah, I confused you with Neko-chan 21:40 ooh, hexagonal amulet... 21:40 oh right, altar's co-aligned 21:41 fun! 21:41 amulet is uncursed... 21:41 Not killing me, didn't change, me, not putting me to sleep yet 21:41 Also I can hear my pet on this floor 21:44 :) It's rather... Intriguing... how I currently have a pet "Balrog". 21:47 Oh, this is... Seriously bad... My pet Arch Lich is using the Touch of Death - on me. :( 21:47 Yep, it's killing my pets. I guess that's my signal to get the hell away! 21:49 Hmm. Well... It's still with me, not an Arch or Demi lich anymore, and it seems to ahve settled. I guess this is a *dangerious* pet. 21:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Meddi (Bar Hum Mal Neu) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:663 21:56 It looks like they got confused 21:56 Or stunned 21:56 Base-form chameleons do still need to be fed 21:57 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 21:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Meddi (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 549 points, T:1124, killed by a gnome lord 21:58 Umbire: hmm, the behaviour was consistent with confusion, yeah. 21:58 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 21:58 I don't know if it was hunger or standard confusion though 21:59 do they get hungry fast if they keep changing? 22:00 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:00 as long as there are plenty of monsters i think i should be ok. 22:00 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 22:01 I don't know if polymorphing induces hunger, inclined to say "no" 22:01 There's also a bunch of inediate polyforms so 22:01 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:03 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:03 fair enough. 22:04 it was probably that it was a new pet, and once the zoo was cleaned out there wasnt much left for it to eat. 22:04 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 22:05 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 22:06 It shouldn't be hungry that fast, though. Mm 22:07 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 22:07 unless it was already hungry when i tamed it with a cookie. just a cookie. 22:07 Yeah, that's not much lmfao 22:07 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 22:08 It works for taming purposes, sure 22:08 But a cookie won't tide it over for long 22:08 Thankfully(?) chameleons are carnivores, at least in base form 22:09 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:09 indeed. ive never had a problem with cookies. 22:09 but yeah, maybe i should have tossed over something more substantial next time! 22:10 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:13 Cookies are valid for taming if you don't feel like reading the fortune 22:13 And there's something they can proper chow on nearby 22:14 Also works if you're trying for illiterate 22:17 yeah, i just think maybe i need to give chameleons or warhorses or the like something substantial. 22:26 I know, I said "for taming" ;B 22:26 I always carry tripe for taming when I can 22:27 far as herbivores food rations are enough to render them peaceful, but they get way more out of stuff like fruits than the player would nutrition-wise 22:32 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:34 do ghosts save over between gmae versions? 22:35 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Inf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:49039 22:35 no, they don't loli 22:35 well, do you mean bones? 22:35 yes 22:35 or like ghost names 22:35 yeah bones are very version specific 22:35 I see my peaceful ghost, but it must have been from a long while ago 22:35 gotcha 22:35 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Inf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class R), on T:49044 22:36 how long ago was slex updated on hardfought 22:36 dunno, but usually they are set up to last until someone clears them iirc 22:37 So I killed all the rust monsters and left the transmuters. I think I'm going to put on all this random equipment I found and go down there and try to get hit 22:37 maybe wield some plate mail 22:37 can you two weapon armor 22:38 Your pair of buckled boots isn't a suitable primary weapon. 22:38 I guess not 22:40 how nice I just picked up 9 thousand gold pieces 22:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:64738 22:43 whoops 22:43 I destoryed potions of enlightenment 22:43 I should force chests more 22:46 * Umbire rolls up a newspaper 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Law), 1795008 points, T:64738, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1602186670.nh.html 22:46 ahh congrats 22:46 another purple worm victory! 22:47 thanks, loli! 22:47 also I must say having phasing in nethack is too good, even not being able to eat corpses it's great... I can find enough food so it's not that bad 22:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Ran Hum Mal Neu) became Venus' Envoy of Balance, on T:23770 22:54 aosdict: how do you normally id stuff in slex? 22:55 GG again oh6 23:00 <@riker> i quaff/read ID loli, which is a flawless plan 23:00 I guess but those are in low supply, and given alters are a bit rare it's a bit annoying to bless ID 23:00 <@riker> otherwise there's scrolls of ID, inventory ID, secure ID (guaranteed to actually work - normal ID will fail for certain properties of the items with certain probabilities) 23:00 <@riker> there's also a tech for ID and secure ID i believe - research is ID, I think secure ID is just called as such 23:01 also if priest is in the rain will he see you convert his alter? 23:01 <@riker> probably 23:01 <@riker> don't expect things to be nice for you in slex 23:01 I"m used to playing slex I'm not used to knowing how to id everything without having a lot of id scrolls on hand 23:02 normally I just wait and use my stuff after a while cause I have nothing better to do 23:02 -!- k-man has quit [Quit: WeeChat 2.9] 23:02 <@riker> when you start altar-testing, drop the important-to-BUC things first 23:03 <@riker> i.e. rings, scrolls, pots, spellbooks (swap those & pots if you're a caster I guess), tools, armor/weapons unless they're something you're seriously considering trying to use 23:03 yeah... I want to find this priest first 23:03 I have 14 thousand ready to buy protection 23:03 that's +3 ac! 23:04 [hdf-us] [evil] dingotron (Mon Hum Mal Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping 5 darts on an altar, on T:3039 23:04 -!- k-man has joined #hardfought 23:05 <@riker> i've been annoyed with the altar vanishes after I BUC the random darts & stuff I picked up to sell for a pittance later, and it never gets a chance to check the stuff i care about 23:05 yeah I've done that before 23:06 I have a scroll of earth 23:06 priests can't usually survive that... at least I remember seeing someone do that once years ago 23:06 though not slex so probably not safe 23:07 a blessed +2 pair of shadowspun gauntlets of power 23:07 getting there 23:07 this is such a goofy game play pattern, I love it 23:11 <@riker> that's pretty sweet 23:12 phhhbbhht died taking too many chances with a homunculus 23:20 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Sam Gia Mal Law), 10212 points, T:6567, killed by a freezing sphere 23:22 I can't tell if amy is trolling me or a not 23:23 NETHACK.EXE caused a General Protection Fault at address 000D:001D.--More-- 23:23 Assume yes 23:23 Fake segfault are totally something she does 23:23 segfaults* 23:23 yup 23:23 I know but I have broken the game before 23:23 nothing says curating a playerbase like making them doubt catastrophic error! 23:24 sadly she dosn't have this on the wikie 23:24 I believe this is what cause messages to come randomly but I'm not sure 23:25 "(arabella speaker, in stone)" 23:25 "First, make sure it is not a loadstone by kicking it" 23:25 interesting what happens if you kick a load stone? 23:26 loadstones are stupid heavy and "stick" in your inventory if you pick one up 23:26 well yeah I've had that happen before 23:26 in vanilla they're gotcha items mixed in with the other gray stones 23:26 but I didn't know you can test them by kicking them 23:27 Loadstones would naturally be too heavy to kick in any direction 23:27 (which is why it's important not to have strength enhancing stuff/kicking boots on when testing 23:27 *) 23:27 also note that a non-zero amount of them can generate non-cursed 23:27 Mass majority are cursed, and you can't drop them if they are 23:27 interesting 23:28 I often see them heavily cursed in slex 23:28 next time I see a grey stone I'll kick test it 23:28 It also autocurses if they leave your inventory 23:28 I usually avoid them like the plague 23:29 how can you tell if you kill a monster and their invetory is all over the stone 23:29 nothing moves when you kick normally 23:30 Pick up everything but the stone 23:30 :B 23:30 ahh I see 23:30 silyl 23:30 silly* 23:30 sadly I don't have time for that, as I can't eat corpses 23:30 so I'm playing really fast 23:30 >Pick up 23:30 monsters all over the place! 23:30 Oh, that's different then 23:31 no time, gotta keep my stockpile of food high! 23:31 I feel even with this restriction phasing through walls is too op 23:32 god damnit, a crossbow is 2 handed 23:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 309 points, T:414, killed by a gas spore's explosion 23:37 I"m a dummy... there goes my shield of reflection! 23:39 oh noooooooooo 23:39 meanwhile started another arc, studded leather and a +1 =oP 23:40 shame the str/con rolls were sus 23:46 I got pinged for asking how to id stuff in slex? why would I know that? 23:46 just me getting names wrong 23:46 that is all 23:46 Ooh, pet-tested snow boots are +2 23:46 Not jumping boots 23:47 Obvs. not speed boots, no fumbling 23:47 <{Demo}> cost id for kicking? 23:47 <{Demo}> or spell fail 23:47 Just started this one so no shops/spellbooks to tell with yet 23:48 I did kick a goblin to death in 2 hits on 4 attempts 23:48 got a fluorite stone for it 23:48 oh and super early mine entrance, fl2 23:50 arg, wererat gave my lycanthropy on the second bite 23:51 14 gold... 23:52 well that's the sell price I got anyway 23:52 oh, cool, wereforms don't like silver 23:52 Yerp 23:52 putting on a silver ring makes me return to orcish form 23:52 though, is that the silver part or the magic part? is it prot from shape changers? 23:53 Latter most likely 23:53 Might also be poly control 23:53 * Menchers asks Rodney 23:53 Depends on if any prompts come up in the future or not 23:54 No results found for You_can't_handle_your. 23:54 aw 23:54 it didn't prompt me, just went You can't handle your silver ring! You return to orcish form! 23:55 lol 23:55 I think that the part about me returning to orcish form was a coincidence? 23:56 ok, further experimenting shows that attempting to put on the ring in wereform fails and does damage 23:56 so I just die and return to my original race 23:57 further experimenting shows that attempting to put on the ring always fails and does damage 23:57 so it's just a convenient way of committing suicide as a wererat 23:57 I'll take it 23:57 hmm did the game just freeze? 23:58 odd 23:58 maybe I just hate silver when I have lycanthropy whether I'm poly'd or not? 23:58 Yes 23:59 We read too much into a coincidence 23:59 Anyway I feel like I have kicking boots on 23:59 next experiment is to get the lycanthropy cured then try the ring again