00:00 jonadab: It's said that the most useful phrase to learn is... "Where is the toilet? 00:00 qt_: I can parse most of that, and it looks like it will get the point across 00:01 having trouble with "leux", I don't remember that word 00:01 lol probably should have been les eux? 00:01 arahael: Nah, I'm one of those people who can go eight hours between visits to the bathroom. Other people are always going to need to go first, and where they're going will become evident to the astute observer. 00:01 i am also bad at french 00:02 jonadab: Its a bit different when you get traveller's runs. ;) 00:02 arahael: I don't think French really helps that much if you go to Mexico. 00:03 jonadab: All 60 languages are french? ;) 00:03 * jonadab waits to see if anyone connects that indirect reference. 00:03 arahael: Oh, I see. 00:03 I thought you were going back to the previous topic. 00:04 Eh, it's for the best. If I'd understood you correctly in the first place, I would've missed the chance to make the Montezuma's Revenge joke. 00:05 And as every comedian knows, there's no such thing as a bad diarrhea joke. 00:10 I had missed it. 00:10 thanks aosdict for that catch, I think ``pouvez-vous me mettre'' should probably also be ``mettrer''; can't wait til they reply to me. Extremely exciting 00:11 can't wait to report in 4 days that it's called ``black shuck'' because someone looked it up on wikipedia during a recording session and thought it sounded cool 00:11 lol 00:17 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 6878 points, T:9275, killed by a blast of frost 00:18 I feel like applying my lance while I'm an elf wearing gloves shouldn't trigger my iron allergy imho 00:19 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:63430 00:19 like if attacking rando monsters with it doesn't cause me to break out in hives, then why should bashing monsters from two squares away? 00:24 Does it? 00:24 That sounds like a bug 00:24 not really a bug 00:25 <@riker> I feel like gloves should block that 00:25 applying things contains a "touch the thing" codepath, attacking things with it wielded and with gloves on doesn't 00:25 I think the general issue here is that there's not really a distinction between things that you only touch with your hands when applied and things you have to touch some other way 00:26 for instance if you apply a stethoscope and you're apparently sticking little iron nibs into your ears, that shouldn't be glove blocked 00:27 Touching the can of grease? That makes sense. Doing 'the verb' by applying your lance or polearm? That seems incorrect 00:28 * aosdict rants a bit about how grease cans should be plastic and bright blue for distinguishing 00:29 You're plastic. 00:29 (I feel for no specific reason like elves should've already found a workaround for that whole "tiny bit of iron in stethoscopes" thing.) 00:30 I do think that checking if it's a weapon being applied isn't absurd, from a flavor or mechanical aspect, or at least for the ones that 'verb'/pound when applied 00:30 Shower thought: the "Sorry" message that you get when you fail to teleport somewhere and are sent some distance away could be a subtle reference to the Sorry! board game, where failing to get somewhere usually ends up in you being sent some distance away 00:32 oh and both instances where you get sent away are accompanied by the word Sorry, of course 00:32 That's great flavor and totally fits. Sorry is also mostly about not actually being sorry when causing, which is an important nethack programming ideal 00:33 *when causing others harm 00:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1143 00:40 Shit gets real when you get as far as soko. 00:41 Depends, really. 00:43 Hmm, then again, perhaps I should do a conduct to help improve my games. 00:43 * arahael considers picking the "death-less conduct". 00:46 <@riker> lifesaving is a crutch 00:46 <@riker> so is health 00:46 <@riker> if you take damage ur just bad 00:47 I very very rarely use lifesaving amulets. 00:47 (I prefer "oR) 00:49 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:50 Amulet versus YASD 00:57 Conducts are purely optional anyway and aren't going to improve your game. 00:57 (In the ways you're likely thinking anyway.) 00:57 Pudding-farmingless 00:57 Literally baby's first conduct, pls. 00:57 (Also hi.) 00:57 Heya. 00:58 * arahael wishes he could _starve_ monsters. 00:58 I was going for never-ate-a-pancake conduct but I accidentally ate my vladsbane :/ 00:58 You can starve pets. 00:58 Andrio: Yeah, but this monster behind this boulder. 00:58 ah 00:59 Do you have any idea what it is? 00:59 Nope. 00:59 I just want it dead or gone. :) 00:59 yasi: wishing for dungeonmade tins of food should give you homemade tins of food 00:59 bug_sniper: Message from K2 at 2020-10-07 06:49 EDT: eventually. I replied via !tell :P 00:59 bug_sniper: Message from aosdict at 2020-10-07 06:58 EDT: Many variant devs follow a policy of not changing pages to reflect the variant, outside the variant's own space. 01:00 I see. Maybe later. 01:01 Literally just throw projectiles at it as usual. 01:01 Plenty of spare darts and daggers to be had. 01:02 Umbire: Yeah, had to go through four levels to find projectiles. 01:02 There's usually a dart trap or two by then, and the Gnomish Mines has no shortage of projectiles. 01:02 I've got the force bolt spell now, but I suspect it'll break boulders so I don't want that. 01:02 Just be sure not to catch most of them. 01:02 Umbire: Way mor ethan four levels then. ;) 01:02 ...I mean you want to get to the monster, don't you? 01:02 I have projectils now. 01:02 Oh, right, Soko. 01:03 Ah, I should've mentioend that. But yeah, I went down a few levels instead. 01:03 You usually have a spare, but the luck penalty is more pressing. 01:03 Indeed. 01:03 I've found a rock trap! 01:04 Okay, but how will you collect the rocks? :B 01:04 Relevantly, when playing wizards, I tend to force bolt the first boulder or statue I see so I have a reasonable amount of rocks to pick enemies off with. 01:04 Huh where is my pet arch lich... that's not good 01:04 Save the force bolts for when I actually need them. 01:05 Fair enough. :) Ahd yeah, I walked under the trap a few times. 01:05 They usually stick by you, so odds are if they aren't warping to you they're either immobilized or ended up on another floor. 01:05 Worst case scenario, you'll find it's gone peaceful unless you were particularly abusive somehow. 01:06 Yes, I know that much, thanks. I mean it's gotten to a different floor somehow and it's worrisome. It doesn't eat so it's tameness doesn't increase, so there is a good chance he's not very happy with me by the time I find him, depending on how he vanished 01:07 I mean his happiness won't absolutely plummet, unless again, abuse 01:07 The "quickest" solution is to peek around the 2-3 floors above and below you. 01:07 If they're still tame and you hang around their floor a few turns they'll warp right to you. 01:13 I appreciate the advice but I'm really struggling with the way you're choosing to give it. Losing a point of tameness every 150 turns is pretty relevant when the tameness hasn't increased in the past 40k turns. I can't go looking for him as I'm kinda mid castle. I was mostly casually just talking about how I was making problems for myself without realizing it. I'm probably just gonna have to geno L, I 01:13 don't even know at what point in this fight he left the floor, so he could be feral already 01:14 Currently replaying my tty to see if I even saw where he went or if he died 01:14 Nah, I wouldn't worry about having to kill him. 01:14 Yeah, the tty is probably the best way to go. 01:14 That said... 01:14 Were you ON the floor with the castle when he disappeared? 01:15 If so then there's not too many other places he could've gone, short of a freak levelport trap. 01:15 (Good luck then.) 01:16 I apologize if I seemed a bit presumptuous, I was going with the idea you were just mid-dungeon when I probably should've clarified where you were first. 01:16 Because if you lost him on the Castle floor, then he's likely hanging in the Valley of the Dead right below. 01:16 (Barring said levelport trap, ofc.) 01:19 Hopefully this all helps in some way, despite my tone I understand the worry perfectly well. 01:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4716 01:27 There has to be at least one atheist monk ascension. 01:29 That would be an absurd conduct. Then again... That's akin to me being a christian, and saying "Christianity isn't a religion"... 01:30 Not only can priests be atheists, but they have the easiest time of it, because they have the tools to do most of it on their own. 01:31 ^ 01:31 Inherent BUC knowledge means no need to mess with altars, and they start with holy water. 01:33 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:52128 01:33 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:33 Wait, so you WERE on the castle floor? 01:34 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:34 Then it's a good chance he was dweebing around in VotD 01:35 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 12591 points, T:5638, killed by a magic missile 01:35 *sigh*, too confident. 01:35 :c 01:35 !lastgame arahael 01:35 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1600586690.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/dumplog/1602130703.nh.html 01:35 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Ninja ### Mal ###) killed the ghost of Ý, the former Samurai, on T:2059 01:35 Waaaay too confident. 01:36 I should've been in the corridor. 01:37 Agreed. 01:40 Choke pointing is an invaluable life skill. 01:40 (and also a solid NetHack one.) 01:41 Heh, indeed. 01:41 <@dexsg> Apollo candy bars lol 01:41 <@dexsg> I'm going to start naming my candy bars 01:52 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Nin Mal), 7127 points, T:3967, owlbear 01:53 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Val Fem), 111 points, T:35, demon 02:00 splicehack DOES have a WoW in the castle, right? 02:00 I wonder if a pet just... picked up the whole chest? I have a black dragon but I don't think he could have disentigrated it lol 02:01 Did you find your lich? 02:01 Also did Splice implement enemies picking up the castle chest? 02:01 Oh here it is. Something picked up the whole chest and then died elsewhere. 02:02 Does Splice have infighting also? 02:07 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:07 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 02:22 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Val Fem), 488 points, T:358, demon 02:22 <@banjoe> pets can pick up chests 02:22 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:25 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Val Fem), 580 points, T:442, gnome 02:30 [hdf-us] [nh13d] dbanethacker (Val Fem), 505 points, T:500, orc 02:35 -!- kelamir[m] has quit [Quit: killed] 02:40 -!- kelamir[m] has joined #hardfought 03:16 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:19061 03:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:51198 03:33 -!- spicycat has quit [*.net *.split] 03:33 -!- arahael has quit [*.net *.split] 03:33 -!- MaryHadalittle has quit [*.net *.split] 03:38 -!- arahael has joined #hardfought 03:38 -!- MaryHadalittle has joined #hardfought 03:48 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:58 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:58 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 03:58 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 04:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:51540 04:13 :O 04:13 GO GO GO moon-child 04:13 er 04:13 GO GO GO mobileuser 04:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6633 04:18 Excellent soko. "oR, *and* GoP. 04:20 oo 04:22 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:24 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided electric eels, on T:51600 04:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided krakens, on T:51600 04:36 [hdf-au] [dyn] Ranga (PeachMuffin) (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 1857 points, T:1507, killed by a rabid rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:40 Man, I'm lagged. :( 04:41 round-trip min/avg/max/stddev = 15.579/31.831/85.161/26.991 ms <-- And that's just to the ISP! 04:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:8106 04:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:8131 04:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism by offering a gnomish wizard corpse on an altar of Shan Lai Ching, on T:8144 05:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 318 points, T:1712, killed by a wand 05:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) murdered his faithful owlbear, on T:51887 05:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Famine, on T:51888 05:32 oh hes back 05:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed the saddled Black Horse, on T:51896 05:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 3802001 points, T:51908, ascended 05:42 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mobileuser/evilhack/dumplog/1600762737.evil.html 05:46 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 16058 points, T:9082, killed by a water troll 05:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:52 K2: lol @ purple rain nerf, if you want to see a real nerf of that strategy look at slex where the digestion has 1% chance of instakilling a monster. :D 06:04 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3431 06:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "abcd", on T:4420 06:19 -!- k-man_ has joined #hardfought 06:20 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 06:20 -!- k-man has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:22 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:4954 06:23 -!- k-man__ has joined #hardfought 06:25 -!- k-man_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:25 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 06:30 -!- k-man has joined #hardfought 06:31 -!- k-man__ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6431 06:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 15 darts on an altar, on T:6676 06:46 -!- k-man has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:49 -!- k-man has joined #hardfought 06:51 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:7626 06:54 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:7926 07:01 congrats mobileuser 07:02 How'd I miss that? 07:02 * arahael also congrats mobileuser. 07:05 Thank you! :-) 07:07 My first Illithid ascension, that was fun 07:08 Now I want to try giant... 07:09 weee 07:11 Nice. :) 07:16 * arahael wonders why a wish is so hard. 07:19 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 07:19 I think it's because they're so limited, and so insanely powerful. 07:20 * arahael considers the "blessed magic marker" - as he hasn't identified much at all yet. 07:22 Generally you'll want to wish for an uncursed magic marker, and bless the paper instead. 07:23 Hmm, so a regular magic marker, then. 07:23 I intend to largely write scrolls of enchant armour, though 07:25 Hmm, but if I have even one holy water, then that'll be far better, indeed. 07:25 * arahael wishes instead for an "uncursed magic marker". 07:25 This one is not a wand wish, btw. 07:26 I just noticed that the lamp I had from T:1 (or T:2?) is blessed. :) 07:29 nice~ 07:29 Main reason I'm hesitant though is that I do really want a BoH, but... It's usually pretty easy to find one eventually. 07:30 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:9153 07:36 They 07:37 They're less rare than magic markers, yeah. 07:41 -!- mackeyth has joined #hardfought 07:41 9 isn't "high int", isn't it? 07:42 Meh, nevermind... Not wishing for GoP. My strength is 18/01 07:46 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Pir Elf Fem Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1733 07:46 Oh, yeah. I've had to learn this the hard way *several* times... 07:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed ring of free action", on T:9943 07:49 Not really. 07:50 I hadn't identified that yet, and I do often get paralised. 07:50 It's my most common way of dying. 07:51 Won't use any of the other wishes yet until I've identified identify. 07:55 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 8939 points, T:2963, killed by a water moccasin 08:01 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:22807 08:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 22336 points, T:12841, killed by a fire elemental 08:20 YASD. 08:20 G'night! 08:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3746 08:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 12520 points, T:4439, killed by a system shock 08:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1456 08:49 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 308733 points, T:24855, killed by Warden Arianna 08:49 That did not go well 08:49 Tangles: Message from amateurhour at 2020-09-28 10:55 EDT: is pinobot down or beholder borked? 08:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 7320 points, T:2501, killed by a dagger 09:09 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 09:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Nob Vam Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:813 09:12 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 90 points, T:763, killed by a grid bug 09:39 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 5845 points, T:4250, killed by a jabberwock 09:39 no it was a chameleon on its third or fourth reiteration 09:45 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 09:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] CeleryHall (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:28159 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] CeleryHall (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:28165 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] CeleryHall (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:28231 10:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] CeleryHall (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:28347 10:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] CeleryHall (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:28350 10:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Nob Vam Fem Cha), 36354 points, T:7398, killed by a phase spider 10:14 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu) received Mjollnir from Odin, on T:4611 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1663 10:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bourne (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 343 points, T:1410, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 10:24 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 122 points, T:373, killed by a kobold zombie 10:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:3201 10:31 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:26448 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] CeleryHall (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Planes, on T:29965 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:3777 10:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:4096 10:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:22843 10:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Nob Vam Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1251 10:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Nob Vam Mal Cha) was given the Rod of Lordly Might, on T:1610 10:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4645 10:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Nob Vam Mal Cha), 4866 points, T:2041, killed by a soldier ant 10:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1809 points, T:4647, killed by a bugbear 10:56 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 4841 points, T:5854, zombified by a gnome zombie, while helpless 10:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3336 10:57 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3370 10:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:3401 11:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] 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killed Baalzebub, on T:37180 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] CeleryHall (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Famine, on T:30383 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] CeleryHall (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:30409 11:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Nob Vam Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3390 11:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] CeleryHall (Val Dwa Fem Cha), 1046198 points, T:30409, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/CeleryHall/nethack/dumplog/1602015958.nh.html 11:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Nob Vam Fem Neu) was given the Rod of Lordly Might, on T:4398 11:28 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) attained the rank of Kokushu, on T:26723 11:30 -!- Zertrin has joined #hardfought 11:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a magical pair of fencing gloves entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:2062 11:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:47542 11:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:47551 11:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) genocided mind flayers, on T:47556 11:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 12:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7013 12:23 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:27693 12:25 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 12:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) genocided class N, on T:24618 12:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Student of Metals, on T:24620 12:52 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6077 12:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a brown pudding, on T:25369 12:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:10767 12:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 275213 points, T:31673, killed by an invisible Cuprilach Rilmani 12:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) wished for "3 scrolls of charging", on T:25627 13:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:12102 13:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Brigand, on T:12214 13:01 !tell AntiGulp I think Vizier Dophomor still tends to hump the wall where the chest is 13:01 Will do, amateurhour! 13:02 oh good, the vizer dophomor thing was fixed 13:03 what 13:04 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:04 it used to be misspelled 13:05 fair enough 13:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 141 points, T:356, killed by a gas spore's explosion 13:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a baby yellow dragon, on T:13537 13:20 -!- nymphet has joined #hardfought 13:20 [hdf-eu] [spl] amateurhour (Mon Gul Mal Cha), 54218 points, T:12215, cut down by an ettin mummy 13:20 gah 13:21 couldn't pray as was foodless 13:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14291 13:28 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 13:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:30 -!- nymphet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 13:37 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) wished for "+2 blessed greased fixed gauntlets of power", on T:55097 13:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:49391 13:48 yo amateurhour ♥! commit https://github.com/SLASHEM-Extended/SLASHEM-Extended/commit/b55ab98d contains several new slex monsters that you suggested (see monst.c changes) :) (and also some by aosdict) 13:49 lol chai tea girl 13:49 ah the chamelon 13:51 do you have a 'karma chameleon' yet 13:51 yeah 13:51 if so, also add a 'comma chameleon' and make its glyph , 13:51 MON("karma chameleon", S_LIZARD, /* by aosdict */ 13:51 ahem, boulder fart by stenno? 13:51 well I guess its default glyph would be , but it would turn into other things 13:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:28048 13:52 lol slex has a is_jonadabmonster macro 13:52 , is not a monster glyph though, sadly 13:52 <{Demo}> fart commander 13:53 is 'love rhino' there? 13:53 when did I ever suggest a 'sloob' monster 13:53 there's 'flashlight triceratops' which sounds suspiciously lewd in a similar way K2 13:54 damn you guys, the more you suggest the more I have to add and the longer it will take until the new version is finally ready :P (but on the bright side will be more fun due to all the new monsters) 13:54 <{Demo}> aosdict https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/389212978030968832/763821596694675476/unknown.png 13:54 if no love rhino, then fail 13:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bourne (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 149 points, T:1282, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 13:54 {Demo}: ok that's a miscredit 13:54 someone else said it and I just relayed it to amy 13:55 the someone else was Demo :P "sloob" = slex noob 13:55 K2: rest assured I'll add it :) 13:55 I'm like 90% sure it was me that suggested the boulder fart 13:55 LarienTelrunya: things like triceratops, and anything else with 'tri' in the name, must instakill particle man 13:55 but i cba checking and don't mind 13:56 <{Demo}> damn wait i did 13:56 https://www.hardfought.org/irclog/%23hardfought-2020-09-12.log <--- boulder fart 13:56 ah and then I suggested the artifact boulder 13:57 yeah, which is also in the game now :D 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3714 points, T:2790, killed by an orc-captain 13:57 lol 13:57 boulder fart 13:58 polymorph into boulders when? 13:59 boulder fart 14:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:50261 14:05 [hdf-us] [gh] arnibald (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had a club bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:38960 14:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Frost Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:29031 14:12 i am ghost and a player monster 14:12 also there is a quote of mine where i rant about the mysterious force 14:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:30013 14:16 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 2208 points, T:4888, killed by a baby owlbear 14:20 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:21 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 14:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed glass +3 helm of opposite alignment", on T:45066 14:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Kni Hum Fem Law), 3881 points, T:2416, killed by a dwarf 14:34 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:28699 14:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 383277 points, T:32986, quit 14:42 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1130 14:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 456 points, T:1162, killed by a hill orc called Uothoghai of Akhuhai 14:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Nob Vam Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 cloak of the unheld one", on T:9956 14:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Set, on T:20287 14:54 -!- aoei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:55 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bourne (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4624 15:03 [hdf-us] [slex] nabru (Ama Ang Fem Cha), 9925 points, T:2527, petrified by a bashing a petrifying monster 15:05 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Raider, on T:20590 15:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Nob Vam Mal Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:11974 15:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bourne (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 2552 points, T:5587, killed by a rope golem 15:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] pevsand (Kni Clk Mal Law), 966 points, T:1984, killed by an invisible hobbit 15:11 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 15:14 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 5601 points, T:8184, killed by a rabid rat 15:19 rebatela: yes, I'm here as bouquet and play as bouquet. 15:19 thanks for the mad props, though! 15:21 I'm on reddit as bouquetbouquet 15:22 Follow my blog on... j/k 15:24 insta @bouquetbouqetbouquet snap @bouquetbouquetbouquetbouquet 15:37 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Bar Gia Fem Neu) destroyed Grouchy the human zombie, and former Thaumaturge, on T:4269 15:38 ok wow :-) 15:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) killed Thoth Amon, on T:22948 15:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22949 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2535 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3202 15:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2357 15:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law), 8349 points, T:2538, quit 15:56 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) wished for "blessed figurine of a purple worm", on T:30872 15:57 -!- Menchers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:57 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 16:00 -!- every has joined #hardfought 16:03 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 1244 points, T:2583, eaten by a black dragon 16:03 fucking grunt chameleons 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 574 points, T:1581, killed by a crossbow bolt 16:11 -!- tromix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 16:15 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) was given Godhands, on T:3763 16:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Adept, on T:4748 16:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 2098 points, T:5160, killed by a little dog, while frozen by a potion 16:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) was given Fire Brand, on T:5519 16:31 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Trollsbane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:49153 16:49 -!- every has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 16:51 the final level of soko is always a pain to figure out 16:53 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2265 16:58 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:2504 16:58 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:49268 17:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2592 17:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:10044 17:04 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:07 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 17:13 -!- eggandhull has joined #hardfought 17:14 [hdf-us] [evil] karibou (Rog Elf Fem Neu) destroyed Bourne's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:7158 17:20 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Grouchy's ghost, the former Novice, on T:3360 17:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3835 17:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:11235 17:32 how bad is it to destroy a boulder in soko? 17:32 -1 luck 17:32 very worth time to figure out how to destroy one 17:33 do you have a luckstone? 17:33 no I do not 17:33 I'm in a rather unfortunate situation and I think I have to sacrifice one to many boulders 17:33 I think that if your luck is negative then you can't pray safely 17:34 after fucking around with the tilespace in emacs enough I don't think I can solve it 17:35 I can always read a scroll of earth 17:35 but won't that surround me in boulders 17:35 so I can't really move 17:35 reading scroll of earth also has a luck penalty 17:36 well it's worth getting the bag of odling 17:36 If it's just 1, I guess it's not that big a deal? But it takes a loooooong time for it to go back up. 17:36 i guess I should just go find a pix axe destroy one block 17:37 I think tossing gems at unicorns gets it back up faster though. 17:37 can't I just sac corpses at an alter? 17:37 That's alignment, I think, not luck. 17:37 * arahael <-- Never ascended 17:37 ugh 17:38 also I wish the boulder mimic was really a boulder 17:38 and I can roll it 17:38 same alignment: more luck 17:38 https://puu.sh/GB1FD/4ece8efd8f.png this was where I last stayed off, that + of boulders plus the top one blocking is death 17:38 it takes at most 600 turns 17:38 luck ticks on turns divisible by 600 17:38 +5 luck for identified gem 17:38 Ah, nice. 17:38 loli: My pet hate are monsters that dig holes in soko. 17:39 wait that monster has dug a hole 17:39 isn't it just trapped? 17:39 in this case? 17:39 loli: Only if it's first floor. 17:39 oh 17:39 what a shame 17:40 First floor... You could just climb through all the holes. ;) 17:40 (I don't, because that's just... Sloppy) 17:40 * arahael <-- Has *some* standards. 17:40 I don't see the issue the only really hard soko level is the last 17:40 which as you can see there I screwed up 17:41 Let me take a quick look. 17:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) destroyed Arahael's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:15713 17:42 Oooh, Is Raisse getting my *uncharged* wand of wishing and two chargers, and two markers? ;) 17:42 loli: I can't see it, I think I'm on the wrong server, I'll keep goign with my game I'm afraid. 17:43 I took a screen shot 17:43 since I left 17:43 to get a pickaxe 17:43 https://puu.sh/GB1FD/4ece8efd8f.png 17:43 loli: That one is salvagable. 17:43 how? 17:43 i have to sac 2 boulders 17:43 and I can only sac 1 more 17:44 Let me look carefuly, but I think you can definitely do that one without breaking anything. 17:45 the top L of the + kind of blocks me do the top being held there 17:45 How many holes are there? And how many boulders are there, still? 17:45 14 17:46 I don't trust my counting when it's an image. 17:46 I can only give away 1 boulder 17:46 1 *more* boulder, you mean? 17:46 yes 1 more 17:46 I can't give up more than that 17:46 Hmm, actually no, you still have to break a rule or a boulder. 17:47 exactly 17:47 If you were able to magically teleport, it's perfectly solvable - and you can't teleport. 17:47 I played around in emacs for abit 17:47 yes 17:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Raisse (Wiz Gno Fem Neu) performed her first genocide (mind flayers), on T:16265 17:47 You can squeeze into a boulder if you're naked and have nothing in the inventory... But that also has a luck penalty. 17:47 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:47 can you even in soko? 17:48 Indeed - but you get a luck penalty, even so. 17:48 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 17:51 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 17:59 *sigh*. Pets are so stupid. 18:00 isn't that salvagable? 18:00 last screenshot I mean 18:00 maybe I'm missing what's not solvable about it 18:02 amateurhour: Without any luck penalty at all, is what we mean. 18:03 amateurhour: It looked salvable to me, but I think the player is in the wrong spot. 18:05 there's 16 boulders and 14 holes, lost one boulder so can lose max 1 more 18:06 could you push the rightmost boulder up and lose that one and still succeed? 18:07 amateurhour: He won't be able to move around properly with the second-most-rightmost boulder. 18:08 amateurhour: He'd need to squeeze around it, which also has the luck penalty. 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6659 18:08 what, why? 18:08 amateurhour: How would he move that one down? 18:09 oh, the *Right*-most boulder. 18:09 I'm probably wrong, but could you do: rightmost up two, top of the + left 1, then salvage away 18:11 Actually yeah, that does look like it. Hopefully loli hasn't messed it up too much. 18:11 B-) 18:14 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:16 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:19 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 3801 points, T:2480, killed by a hill orc 18:19 [hdf-us] [gh] hothraxxa (Bar Hum Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "test", on T:5788 18:20 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2820 18:25 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 18:25 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 18:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:3039 18:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Priest, on T:7815 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3163 18:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:8235 18:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:3389 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:67401 18:32 so for determining your score, I know it counts the HP of adjacent pets when you ascend, but do any versions consider the equipment of adjacent pets? e.g. the artifacts or gems they may be carrying. 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a mumak, on T:8388 18:33 I'm struggling to find where it's even evaluated, so even a point in that direction would be helpful 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed athame", on T:67409 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 16692 points, T:8563, petrified by a cockatrice 18:35 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:35 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 924 points, T:3231, killed by a wand 18:35 you probs want to check really_done in end.c Neko-chan 18:35 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 18:36 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 142 points, T:266, killed by a boulder 18:36 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:4492 18:39 Neko-chan: end.c:1508, it iterates over g.mydogs and adds each pet's hp to your experience 18:40 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 18:41 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:41 -!- oh7 is now known as oh6 18:42 -!- elenmirie_ has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:42 moon-child: thank you, very interesting. Thanks for pointing out end.c amateurhour 18:44 end.c:1555 ok this is funny. Apparently if you win with Schroedinger's cat in a box in your inventory, your ending message says "you and Schroedinger's cat" 18:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:20839 18:55 Well, it's nice knowing all my pets will ascend with me, even if they are eating. Maybe it's just splicehack but it looks like it does include some aspect of the pet inventory in the g.mydogs, but I think I'm satisfied in trying to answer my question. I really just wanted to be sure they ascended with me, getting to min/max score was just gravy 19:05 Hey Neko-chan 19:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2697 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 40576 points, T:21489, killed by a chameleon imitating a mastodon 19:12 Painful. 19:12 !lastgame 19:12 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/nethack/dumplog/1601849587.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/p/pevsand/dnethack/dumplog/1602177893.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/dumplog/1602196514.nh.html 19:13 Sokomeleons suck so much. 19:16 loli: did you tackle sokoban? curious if you tried what I'd mentioned 19:18 I have not I'll try it when I play again 19:20 Bleh, if a monster get polymorphed by eating a genetic engineer corpse, does that follow the "polymorphed for N turns, then through death or time back to normal" or like "you are a rat forever now" 19:21 forever 19:21 talking about a pet? fairly sure it's permanent 19:22 Gross. I thought my dragon had player mr simply by being a gray dragon, but I guess that didn't stop him from chowing down on this thing 19:23 Stupid hungry dragon 19:24 Guess I'll just go find a polytrap and try to make him a dragon again lmao 19:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 173 points, T:638, killed by a water moccasin 19:25 #name m rattata 19:25 then compassionately abandon them 19:25 :) 19:26 Not really how I work, sorry. 19:26 I'll forgive you in time, when the scars have healed 19:26 They're already named (I name all my pets) and I never abandon a pet unless I absolutely have to or don't have a strange whistle effect 19:27 This is the pet which I've had since turn 1 and I'd like to ascend with him 19:27 I'm having a lot of fun uh, roleplaying I guess. I like dragons? I'm like a horse girl for dragons 19:29 <{Demo}> i wasnt sure if that was a real sentence or not, nice 19:30 Neko-chan: in 3.7 there is a feature (which splice may or may not have at this point) where pets won't eat polymorphing corpses unless they're starving or on the verge of going feral 19:30 I know this because I wrote it :) 19:30 <{Demo}> wtf 19:30 :D 19:30 <{Demo}> so i cant force my pet to eat that 19:31 <{Demo}> and poly into something epic 19:31 yeah I'm about 99.9% sure that they were not hungry nor nearly feral, as this dragon eats constantly and I was doing a bunch of create monster casting to feed my friends 19:33 {Demo}: love the arbitrary randomness of epicly losing my pet in the middle of fighting because he thought "oh corpse tasty, YUMMY MEAL" 19:34 I named this dragon after someone I know and it's really pretty on brand for them, I'm kinda cracking up at this. I'm pretty glad there is a polymorph trap a level up though 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4776 19:36 oh now he's a vorpal jabberwock, I can ride those, right? 19:36 <{Demo}> presumably 19:36 <{Demo}> u can ride jabbys so i hope vorpals 19:37 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 19:39 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:39 yeah, I guess I can give it a shot, and with how pets work in this game I suppose he could get some decent resistances 19:39 Oh actually, Would he keep his resistances he's gonna via eating through polymorph? I wonder. I wish I had a wand of probing or something 19:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 106 points, T:317, killed by an air elemental 19:41 anyone find much use for a sewing kit in splicehack? I'm not a ghoul so I can't sew pieces of corpses to myself. 19:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1246 19:42 bouquet: Woah - what? Ghouls can sew stuff to themselves in splicehack? 19:43 yes. 19:44 I think it affords them the power/intrinsic previously residing is the corpse, maybe? 19:44 sounds messy. You'd need a new wardrobe 19:44 but I think you can use it to repair cloth/leather items, maybe. 19:48 https://github.com/NullCGT/SpliceHack/blob/fdeef6c222637246a87c649b0fc059aec3e6de13/src/apply.c#L2258 bouquet yeah you should be able to use it to fix any leather/cloth item 19:48 it can deal 1 damage and kill you! that's the dream. gotta love unique deaths 19:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5485 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1587 20:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:3364 20:04 <@riker> aw, did splicehack ghouls lose attaching corpses? 20:04 <@riker> use_sewing_kit has no case for that 20:04 <{Demo}> nail a corpse to my body yuh 20:05 <@riker> ah yeah it was delet in favor of hunger-based boosts + revivify technique 20:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 5093 points, T:3772, killed by an owlbear 20:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:6898 20:15 this is totally anecdotal but I think something is wrong with Shimmering Dragons in splicehack. It seems that the dragon is attack monsters as if they had displacement? Getting a lot of "Luka attacks at the displaced image of the human mummy" and other unlikely things. Maybe I don't understand monster displacement 20:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:7379 20:15 Almost sounds like it's thinking it's itself displaced. 20:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Priest, on T:7407 20:19 -!- mackeyth has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 20:27 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2345 points, T:2483, killed by a warg 20:28 -!- every has joined #hardfought 20:34 -!- ais523 has joined #hardfought 20:34 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v ais523] by ChanServ 20:42 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 3905 points, T:2021, killed by a Grey-elf 20:43 Hi ais 20:45 -!- every has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 20:49 hi Umbire 20:49 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2020-09-25 02:29 EDT: they get a +8 skill aptitude in most skills 20:49 ais523: Message from FIQ at 2020-09-25 02:30 EDT: and have the highest attributes in the game after demigods (who can't play with a god, which is a major drawback) 20:50 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1516 points, T:974, killed by a jaguar 20:51 * arahael <-- World's worst nethacker. 20:51 There's always worse out there :B 20:51 And you can only get better 20:52 Heh, it doesn't help that I've been doign speedruns to either soko or minetown. 20:52 But even so. Thanks :) 20:52 Prioritize survivability first and foremost. 20:53 That may lead you towards one of those two by sheer circumstance. 20:54 Would probably result in better games, too. 20:55 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 6914 points, T:6422, killed by a soldier ant 20:55 I go down too fast, ahead of my abilities. 20:56 if you can semi-consistently get past D:1, you are not the world's worst nethacker :-) 20:56 Low bar, dude! Low bar. :) 20:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scroll of charging", on T:10761 20:57 I must admit, the first game I ever played... Yeah, I just went upstairs. ;) 20:58 ais523: archeologist, pickaxe, >, profit 20:58 requires no skil 20:58 l 20:58 I wonder what the most useless item in vanilla is. 20:58 iron bars 20:58 I assume the world's worst nethacker would just bumble around in the start of the dungeon unable to figure out the controls 20:58 FIQ: it requires enough knowledge of the controls to know you can do that, and enough knowledge of the game to step off the stairs first 20:58 FIQ: that's not an item 20:58 FIQ: Digging with a pick-axe takes time. Monsters come. Arc has no HP. 20:58 aosdict: it is 20:58 FIQ: I dont' think you can pick those up. 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] bebing (Cav Gno Fem Neu), 642 points, T:2211, killed by an Uruk-hai 20:59 there's no iron bars in object.sc 20:59 objects.c 20:59 wait I meant iron chains 20:59 chain, yes 20:59 sorry 20:59 It's actually significantly harder to get past D10 as an arc digging down, than as a Monk playing normally, for instance. 20:59 FIQ: Chains are attached to a ball, though. 20:59 I still hold that loadstone is more useless than an iron chain 20:59 arahael: not all chains 20:59 FIQ: All that you can pick up? 20:59 aosdict: can be polypiled into a luckstone 20:59 aosdict: In Fourk, I made loadstones do more damage when used as sling ammo. 21:00 jonadab: and how many people have ever used it as such 21:00 Granted, this still doesn't make them exactly the most important item in the game. 21:00 arahael: yes 21:00 I think tinning kits are useless. 21:00 tinning kits are great 21:00 Early tinning kit is a game changer. 21:00 you can use them to stop trolls from reviving 21:00 Especially for roles with weak starting Str. 21:01 Also makes poison res much safer to get. 21:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 shield of reflection", on T:10762 21:01 jonadab: Ah, I never worry about poison res. 21:01 FIQ: I just eat them. 21:02 arahael you play monks, they get poison res at level 3 21:02 amateurhour: Indeed. 21:03 also you can get iron chains by destroying drawbridges IIRC 21:03 late to the conversation lol 21:03 Oh, right, Monk. Being a Monk makes tinning kit markedly less important. 21:03 they can still stop trolls from reviving 21:03 tinning kits still great for monks as it stops tr- 21:03 yeah 21:03 even better if you're vegan since you can't eat them 21:03 to prevent it 21:03 Eh. 21:04 That's a pretty niche use. 21:04 as in, better for that purpose 21:04 it's not that niche, they're really annoying when your ac is low 21:04 trolls are usually the first real threat to me past earlygame 21:04 There's only a very narrow window of time in most runs, where you're deep enough to see trolls but they are still a threat. 21:04 they hit rather hard for when they appear 21:04 since they spawn with polearms 21:04 Yes, when they first appear, they are dangerous. 21:04 Briefly. 21:04 I find it funny that we're talking about tinning kits being useless when there's bloody tin openers lmao 21:05 and some polearms have quite high damage dice 21:05 It's the polearms that I find most dangerious. 21:05 @v?troll 21:05 pinobot has been kill for like a week 21:05 idk who to report it to 21:05 on top of the weapon 4d2 21:05 Ok, yes, tin openers are _actually_ useless. 21:05 btw I have a YANI to make them not useless 21:05 the most useless item in nethack is iron chains, without a doubt 21:05 but nethack has a lot of nearly-useless items 21:06 such as tin openers 21:06 I'm surprised that it's possible to open tins at all, without an appropriate weapon 21:06 Aklys was completely useless in 3.4 21:06 how much damage does a wielded iron chain deal? 21:06 but even the most useless items can at least be polypiled 21:06 iron chains cannot 21:06 I mean, they can. If you want iron golems. 21:06 For some reason. 21:06 why would you want that 21:06 Umm, extinctionist, maybe? 21:07 YANI: make tin openers less useless by making their BUC status affect the tin 21:07 I guess 21:07 ais523: reminds me of dcss 21:07 where you used to need an appropriate weapon to cut up corspes 21:07 I didn't realise DCSS had useless items 21:07 *corpses 21:07 it was kinda annoying 21:07 ah right 21:07 but you didn't need it equipped or anything 21:07 it typically just lead to more button presses 21:07 and most characters started with a knife if they didn't have anything better 21:08 one of the cases where I didn't mind the mechanic removal 21:08 ais523: Monks don't! 21:08 actually come to think of it, it's still in the game in versions before they removed food alltogether 21:08 oh wow, they removed food altogether now? 21:08 you just don't need an edged weapon for it anymore 21:08 making it even more pointless 21:09 and annoying 21:09 I guess it was getting that way when I stopped playing 21:09 first removed the weapon requirement, then removed the chop command 21:09 ais523: yeah they did 21:09 not sure how I feel about it 21:09 * arahael has *two* tin openers 21:10 just drop them arahael 21:10 imo 21:10 sometimes it feels like dcss just removes shit for the hell of it 21:10 amateurhour: Yeah, I picked them up when I had almost nothing, though. 21:10 but the food clock was pointless enough as-is that I don't really mind the removal I think 21:10 amateurhour: I figure I'll drop them once I have too much. 21:10 FIQ: what clocks remain? 21:10 what are you carting them around for lol 21:10 fortunately in nethack we have a compelling decision about whether to consume the C or K ration, slime mold, pancake, or lichen corpse 21:11 I don't like the replacement clock though 21:11 there's the "monsters on a level get harder and harder and then stop altogether" clock 21:11 ais523: they added a zot clock to compensate 21:11 spicycat: lichen corpse first 21:11 FIQ: how does it work? 21:11 it's basically like the PMD dungeon floor clock 21:11 oh, a few warnings, and then you outright lose? 21:11 except it applies to the entire dungeon and is extended each time you find a new floor 21:11 yeah 21:11 that seems a bit unfair in a game that has backtracking 21:11 it is set very high 21:12 I don't think it's meant to be encountered in a regular game 21:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a water nymph, on T:3180 21:12 only those games where you set things up to be able to survive indefinitely 21:12 that seems like worst of both worlds; normally it doesn't matter, and if it somehow does, you're probably screwed 21:12 just affects the equivalent of pudding farmers 21:12 however, I don't really like the clock 21:12 especially because you can clear levels in DCSS 21:12 feels like a poor fix IMO 21:12 I much preferred the old way of continuous respawns and OOD monsters 21:13 but we farmed the OODs to level up early 21:13 it rewarded cheese/lucky consumable drops and punished newbies 21:13 in fact, some people (Pinkbeast included afaik) made a dcss fork specifically due to the removal of continuous respawning monsters 21:14 <{Demo}> dcss seems like a clusterfuck to me lately from what ive heard 21:14 <{Demo}> a lot of extreme changes 21:14 it's weird, NetHack inspires forks due to changing too little, DCSS inspires forks due to changing too much 21:14 <{Demo}> ehhhh 21:14 <{Demo}> 3.6 has been a lot of extreme changes 21:14 <{Demo}> like monster speed randomization 21:14 <{Demo}> that one is massive 21:14 {Demo}: yeah but it used to be that way 21:14 <{Demo}> probably the biggest 21:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2157 21:14 basically every major nethack variant before 3.6 started off as "vanilla isn't changing and I want this and that feature, so I'll do it myself" 21:15 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) murdered Bright Belly, their faithful gold dragon, on T:58123 21:15 <{Demo}> thats how it should be 21:15 {Demo}: the speed randomization was thankfully changed 21:15 <{Demo}> its still bad 21:15 it used to be outright unfair 21:15 <{Demo}> even after the changes to it 21:15 <{Demo}> yeah 21:15 Neko-chan: how could ya 21:15 <{Demo}> i still don't agree with it and think it was heavily uncalled for 21:15 <{Demo}> and not really sure what inspired it 21:15 personally my feelings on it are "meh" 21:15 <{Demo}> but thats neither here nor there 21:15 {Demo}: removal of melee kiting 21:16 I know what inspired it, it was a desire to end melee kiting as a strategy 21:16 <{Demo}> melee kiting is nethack as fuck 21:16 <{Demo}> why would u remove a core strategy from the game, wtf 21:16 <{Demo}> i dont care 21:16 my revised version was an attempt to kill melee kiting with as little collateral damage as possible 21:16 <{Demo}> vanilla is dead to me 21:16 <{Demo}> 3.4.3-nao is where nethack ends 21:16 I prefer 3.4.3-hdf 21:16 <{Demo}> sure 21:16 the thing is, suppose a monster is melee and melee-kitable, the rest of its stats basically don't matter at this point 21:16 which is 3.4.3-nao with a couple of added UI fixes 21:16 <{Demo}> probably suprior to 3.4.3-nao 21:16 and a much better curses interface 21:16 unless it has so much HP that you run into another monster in the process of kiting it 21:17 <{Demo}> ah thats the thing ais 21:17 <{Demo}> the player isnt always speed 12 21:17 <{Demo}> so monster kitability isnt constant 21:17 {Demo}: ais523' patch randomizes monster speed based on your speed I think 21:17 <@Tone> The current nethack speed system feels like an ideal system to me 21:17 not based on speed 12 21:17 well, you can normally assume that the player is "very fast" in the late game 21:17 <{Demo}> ew 21:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:2354 21:17 <{Demo}> players play burdened all the time 21:17 FIQ: both the monster and player get extra turns at random 21:17 according to the speed they're supposed to have 21:17 <{Demo}> kitability is an important aspect of the early game 21:18 <{Demo}> and avoiding getting jumped by other monsters 21:18 <{Demo}> while kiting 21:18 <{Demo}> the early game balance simply isnt there for not being able to kite reliabley in the mines 21:18 -!- k-man_ has joined #hardfought 21:18 <{Demo}> but it doesnt affect me so i dont acre 21:18 <@Tone> you could probably add more randomization solely because of Elbereth, but I like the balance of knowing that you and a speed 12 enemy will get the same actions 21:18 ranged kiting is unaffected 21:18 <{Demo}> i will happily play whatever modified version of the game i feel like 21:18 <{Demo}> and no one has to be sad 21:19 even a polearm lets you two-space kite monsters safely 21:19 <{Demo}> we can all play the game with our own rules, and that is great 21:19 right, I have nothing against people preferring versions with melee kiting 21:19 just pointing out that it makes it quite hard to fix some of the other balance problems 21:19 <{Demo}> i do see some of where it comes from now 21:19 -!- k-man has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:19 <{Demo}> and appreciate the repairs made to the initial version 21:19 Obvious solution: more speed-13 monsters. 21:20 <@Tone> btw the DCSS zot clock was added because people were farming Xom gifts after the food clock was removed 21:20 @Tone yeah I know why it was added 21:20 Or, if you want to do it the overkill way, ants. 21:20 ah right, Xom, a perpetual balance issue 21:20 doesn't mean I like the fix 21:20 <{Demo}> dcss sounds like such a mess to me 21:20 Hi Tone 21:20 <@Tone> I don't like the fix either, just thought it was interesting context :) 21:20 spicycat: it was a total accident!! I didn't realize I was confused while eating and like, I have uh 10 pet dragons so I'm used to being surrounded by them. I tried to use undead turning on him but one of his friends ate him 21:20 <@Tone> Heya Umbire 21:20 a much better fix to me would be that xom got progressively more dangerous over time 21:20 You know, I once tried to convince a DCSS player that Xom is the best diety. He said no. 21:20 as you keep stalling 21:21 eventually he just kills you (not directly, but by summoning ood shit) 21:21 jonadab: my understanding is that Xom is something of a win-more deity, eventually a Xom game becomes overpowered to a greater extent than a game with another deity would, but you have to be in a good state already to survive the early game 21:21 my favorite god to play is beogh 21:22 but it's frankly a terrible god 21:22 <@Tone> hunger clocks don't work well with DCSS's "the entire dungeon is your inventory" mindset 21:22 beogh is orc ally god 21:22 but orcs are dumb 21:22 and die very, very easily 21:23 I should play hepliaklqana more 21:23 another ally god, except this time the ally doesn't constantly die 21:23 or at least if he does, he comes back 21:23 but it's not really the same... 21:24 if there is no longterm pressure to keep an ally alive, you end up doing cheese strats 21:24 such as using the ally as a meatshield 21:26 there was a period where I played dcss a lot because dcss allies are far more intelligent than nethack ones 21:26 only, while they're more intelligent, they're also far more fragile 21:26 it was a huge PITA to deal wiht 21:26 *with 21:27 nowdays if I want that though I can just play fiqhack 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3870 21:28 [hdf-us] [dyn] me4 (dragonspeaker) (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 641 points, T:1237, killed by a bat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:41375 21:30 ais523: is there a significant reason that vanilla monster spellcasters never use their spells on other monsters other than lack of implementation? 21:31 FIQ: there's a balance reason related to monster A fighting monster B without monster B fighting back 21:31 players get annoyed when powerful monsters attack their pets unprovoked; however, vanilla monsters aren't capable of tracking whether pets are provoking them 21:31 so the "fight back" is implemented as a passive versus melee, not an active attack 21:31 that means that non-melee pet attacks break the balance 21:32 ais523: ok so maybe not the directional offensive spells, at least not used in a nondirectional way 21:32 but why not allow the offensive directional spells in melee? 21:32 like they do on the player 21:32 obviously this is fixable but, equally obviously, the fix is complex 21:32 that seems doable, but the codepath isn't there to trigger the passive 21:32 and, you'd want the passive to be able to do spell attacks, too 21:32 obviously 21:32 otherwise, pets use monster spells on hostiles but not vice versa 21:33 also I thought they did use spells that way, but they weren't allowed the offensive ones due to (lack of) implementation 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "2 cursed scroll of genocide", on T:10765 21:33 then you have the problem of "do pets attack peacefuls" and "do peacefuls attack pets", which is something that AceHack/NH4 struggle with 21:33 but either way, adding in the codepath itself is trivial 21:33 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:33 but making offensive spells work mvm is less so obv 21:33 ais523: but I don't really understand the problem here 21:34 I think we might be misunderstanding each other 21:34 ok so, there are 2 cases where monsters use spells 21:34 I would summarise the problem as "everything that is easy to implement has obvious balance issues" 21:34 one is as part of the regular monster AI, where it checks if it wants to do a monster spell before moving 21:34 in this case, a hostile monster can cast some offensive spells (cause aggravation and summon nasties) 21:35 but if the RNG selects a strictly directional spell, the monster just ignores the roll and goes on to the regular AI 21:35 I am not suggesting changing this bit 21:35 on top of this, when monsters do melee attacks they do another spellcast check 21:35 this time allowing directional spells 21:36 if this one also fails, the monster "points at you, then curses" for directional spells and "points all around, then curses" for nondirectional ones 21:36 this is the codepath I am suggesting adding an mvm bit to 21:36 there is no retaliation problems here ta all 21:36 since it's part of the normal melee codepath 21:36 *at all 21:37 well, then you have only active attacks using monster spells, not passive attacks 21:37 so pet lich versus hostile lich, the pet casts spells, the hostile lich doesn't 21:37 that would look pretty strange 21:37 ais523: fwiw, dragons actually perform breath attacks mvm nowdays in vanilla NetHack 21:37 ais523: no? 21:37 ugh, not because of the change 21:37 pet lich attacks hostile lich 21:37 pet does freeze attack which doesn't do anything 21:37 but because that is almost certainly implemented in a way that I really don't want to look at the source code 21:38 pet casts a spell that might do something 21:38 lich retaliates, does freeze attack that does nothing, then a spell of its own 21:38 I don't understand the problem 21:38 hmm, do passives go down the same codepath as normal attacks? 21:38 I thought they didn't 21:38 wdym with passive 21:38 the spellcasting is not a passive 21:38 it's an active attack 21:38 at_cast, ad_spel 21:38 (or ad_clrc) 21:39 well, monster vs. pet attacks only ever happen as a consequence of pet vs. monster attacks 21:39 that's what I mean by a passive 21:39 (or ad_magm/ad_cold for the odd cases with Angels and Asmodeus) 21:39 it isn't part of the regular monster AI 21:39 it's a special case of its own 21:39 it happens on the pet's turn, not the monster's turn 21:39 ais523: ah, but a retalation is just a normal melee attack 21:39 so it'd use the same code 21:40 hmm, if a pet/hostile attacks another in conflict, what prevents an infinite regress of retaliation attacks? 21:40 or are they strictly only hostile vs. pet? 21:40 the retaliation check is done as part of the main attack 21:40 so there's no retaliation chain 21:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Offler, on T:11614 21:41 from fightm (conflict codepath): 21:41 /* Allow attacked monsters a chance to hit back. Primarily 21:41 * to allow monsters that resist conflict to respond. 21:41 I thought you said it was the same sort of thing as the main attack, though 21:41 */ 21:41 yes 21:41 in the conflict example above 21:41 first a conflicted monster calls mattackm(mtmp, mon) 21:41 then assuming the defender survived, it might counterattack 21:41 which calls mattackm(mon, mtmp) 21:42 so is it implemented as fightm calling mattackm twice? 21:42 mattackm() calls the complete melee attack routine 21:42 yes 21:42 ah right, then you just need to change mattackm to use spells, got it 21:42 yes exactlyt 21:42 *exactly 21:42 dogs use similar code 21:44 oh it's at_magc, not at_cast, no wonder I wasn't able to find it 21:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 81 points, T:292, fell into a pit 21:50 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 21:52 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 21:53 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 21:54 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 21:54 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 21:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:12665 21:55 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:56 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 21:56 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 21:57 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:59 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:03 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:03 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 22:14 -!- k-man__ has joined #hardfought 22:15 -!- k-man_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Field Worker, on T:7020 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 3492 points, T:7074, killed by a wand 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 40 points, T:362, killed by kicking a wall 22:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 117 points, T:568, killed by a water moccasin 22:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Elf-Nob Elf Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8458 22:39 -!- k-man__ is now known as k-man 22:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:16902 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1936 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:17658 23:00 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:02 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:03 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] bebing (Cav Hum Fem Law), 605 points, T:874, killed by a pony, while sleeping off a magical draught 23:04 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:04 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:05 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:06 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:06 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:07 -!- k-man_ has joined #hardfought 23:07 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:07 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:07 -!- k-man has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:09 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:09 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:10 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:18182 23:11 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:11 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:12 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:18194 23:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) genocided class h, on T:18194 23:13 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:14 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:14 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:15 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:16 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:17 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:18 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:18 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:20 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 23:20 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:21 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:21 So, in splicehack, I know found artifacts don't count towards the wished for artifact count, but do gifted ones? I don't want to waste a wish 23:21 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:18576 23:23 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:23 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:24 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:25 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:25 wtf 23:25 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of magic mapping", on T:18901 23:26 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:27 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:27 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:28 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:29 <@riker> (otmp->oartifact && rn2(u.uconduct.wisharti) > 1)) && !wizard) 23:29 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] bebing (Sam Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1569 23:29 <@riker> looks like spl artiwish ONLY checks wished, not gifted 23:30 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Curate, on T:19154 23:30 umm 23:30 hmm 23:30 I no longer have op powers in this channel 23:30 rip 23:30 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:31 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:32 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:32 oh well 23:33 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 23:33 unsound: there's something wrong with your connection 23:33 I wanted to redirect you to ##fix_your_connection but apparently I lost my chanop powers at some point, so I guess I'll leave it as-is 23:33 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:35 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:35 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:35 for future reference: +b nick!user@host$##fix_your_connection 23:35 afk sleep for now 23:35 <@riker> peace fiq 23:36 see you @riker 23:37 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 23:37 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Pri Elf Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:19600 23:38 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:38 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:40 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:40 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:41 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] bebing (Sam Hum Fem Law) destroyed bebing's ghost, the former Aborigine, on T:2098 23:41 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:42 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:43 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:44 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:44 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:45 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:45 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:46 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:47 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:48 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:48 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:49 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:49 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:50 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:50 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) attained the rank of Knight of Talons, on T:59280 23:50 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:52 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:52 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:53 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:54 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 23:54 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Initiate, on T:3277 23:54 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 23:55 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 23:56 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:56 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 2414 points, T:3709, killed by a mastodon 23:57 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 23:57 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 23:58 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 23:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3996 23:58 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 23:59 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds]