00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:33294 00:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Asmodeus, on T:33339 00:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) had Grayswandir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:12607 00:11 yay 00:11 I got the good weapon or so I read 00:11 <@riker> indeed 00:11 I have all 3 of the Valkyries choices excalibur, mj and now this 00:12 is there a point in blessing your artifacts? 00:14 I should always read corpses before I eat 00:14 I lost 8 surplus strength it seems 00:14 <@riker> blessed does a bit more dmg to undead 00:14 <@riker> d4 00:16 what is the easiest way to regain abilities in xnethack? 00:17 <@riker> restore ability presumably 00:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:35020 00:23 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) genocided disenchanters, on T:35075 00:44 -!- nymphet has joined #hardfought 00:56 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) consulted the Oracle, on T:2682 00:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) genocided krakens, on T:38537 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:38543 00:57 loli: Note the way you phrased that question - those would be the easiest way to *re*-gain abilities. 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:38551 01:00 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:3433 01:01 -!- nymphet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:02 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 1084 points, T:3644, taken down by a giant bat 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:39292 01:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:39294 01:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:39463 01:08 Hmm. Pet stone golem. 01:10 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed the Oracle, on T:44426 01:10 Time to head to the temple! ;) 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:39608 01:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:39610 01:15 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 133 points, T:948, killed by kicking a tree 01:15 Got greedy, it's now a... Pudding. 01:16 + 01:17 just split it into a bunch of weaker puddings and polymorph those /j 01:18 I don't have wand of poly, though. :) 01:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 567 points, T:1332, killed by a gnome lord 01:20 Worried about using a dragon as a pet. It would certainly kill the priest... 01:20 But it'd also destroy their robe, wouldn't it? 01:22 * arahael thinks it would 01:23 -!- nymphet has joined #hardfought 01:25 No? 01:25 That's only an issue with black dragons 01:25 Or red ones if you don't want them burnt 01:26 Otherwise they drop their armor/weapons/inventory like normal 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:41228 01:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:28 -!- nymphet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 01:29 -!- nymphet has joined #hardfought 01:35 yo arahael 01:35 hows the run 01:35 did you kill the valley priest yet 01:35 (jk this is not necessary and will count as murder for you) 01:37 If you kill them yourself. 01:37 true 01:37 Some random dragon killing them is fair play. 01:37 indeed Andrio 01:37 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:2599 01:38 You can also do that. 01:38 arahael: actually if you can get the valley priest killed that might be nice for you, you lost your starting robe IIRC? 01:38 valley priest may have one, also very small chance but they can be generated with a protection cloak 01:38 and that is just dandy to have 01:39 * aoei occasionally will finally nab herself a prot cloak for the asc run from one of the sanctum priests 01:39 cuz there are quite a few of them there's a higher chance one of them has one 01:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:41811 01:45 Hi Andrio 01:45 Hi Umbire. 01:45 How are you? 01:46 Not too bad, I think, thanks. you? 01:47 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 1741 points, T:3618, quit 01:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:42099 01:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:42126 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Pestilence, on T:42198 01:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 2174640 points, T:42220, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/D/DexSG/nethack/dumplog/1601844707.nh.html 01:56 Adequate 01:56 GG Dex 01:58 <@dexsg> :) running out of martial roles, going to have to learn to play casters soon 02:13 aoei: Yeah, I'm hoping to grab the robe from the minetown priest. 02:14 aoei: But I'm worried about using the dragon to do so... The disintegration blasts... 02:15 Crap. Now I have two dragons. 02:17 Should buy more protection before I kill the priest! 02:18 wait, minetown priest? 02:18 i thought you were at the castle or something 02:19 aoei: That was... Last night. :) 02:19 how does minetown after castle tho 02:19 I'm going up and down all over the place, looking everywhere for the tshirt. 02:19 who* 02:19 o.o 02:19 lmao 02:19 :D 02:19 just go ascend already 02:19 :P 02:19 Short summary: There is no damned tshirt. 02:19 yeah no shit 02:20 that's why I'd not have bothered if I were you :P 02:20 not unimportant for a monk, that extra AC 02:21 yeah but trawling the whole dungeon hoping for one? 02:21 huge time investment, low probability of payout 02:21 wish for it or make do without imo 02:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:32173 02:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:32175 02:21 aoei: Plus, the protection. I never told you that I actually had ~20k gold. 02:22 the sightseeing approach, why not? :b if you don't care about turns spent 02:22 arahael: I already told you you can buy that from the valley priest! 02:22 I'm now AC -18, and that's with just a regular old fadedpall. 02:22 arahael: you can ascend with -18 AC no problem 02:22 I'm worried about Master Kaen, too... 02:22 conflict, teleport wands, no problem 02:22 do the boulder fort stuff 02:22 (other opinions available) 02:23 I like to get at least -30in vanilla 02:23 no, mobileuser, only mine is correct! 02:23 Hmm, Opera Cloak. 02:23 heh 02:23 :P 02:23 altho imo -30 AC is overkill unless you plan to fight a lot of planes/astral monsters in melee 02:23 And 3 unid'ed spellbooks! 02:23 aoei: Why wouldn't you fight them in melee? ;) 02:24 arahael: you don't need to... 02:24 teleport them and run to teh altar 02:24 use tooled horn or bugle to scare away air E 02:24 conflict to distract them 02:24 so many good options 02:24 But wacking them is more fun! 02:24 Ok, gotta go. 02:24 brb :) 02:24 ok I suppose if you consider that fun then go for your -30 AC strats 02:25 kk, bye! 02:25 Indeed! 02:25 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 02:25 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 02:26 !tell loli why the hell does that level flipping garbage make you think of slex, you insult me :P slex won't have that nonsense, thank you very much 02:26 LarienTelrunya: Message from jonadab at 2020-10-04 19:24 EDT: No, no, they added the piranha buff from xnethack, which is different from the one in Fourk. 02:26 LarienTelrunya: Message from amateurhour at 2020-10-04 19:28 EDT: you should buff piranhas and then add buff piranha plants: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrCphiVUcAEj5va?format=jpg 02:26 No worries, LarienTelrunya, I've got this! 02:26 morning Amy! 02:26 *flauschig Herzchenbüschel* 02:27 aoei ♥♥♥♥♥ *cuddle-hug* 02:27 <3 02:28 Amy: I made indian food with my lovely friends Masha and Nastya yesterday <3 02:28 it was very taste 02:28 🤗 02:29 yay! and I had both chicken döner kebab in Würzburg and later chicken with rice at my roommate's :D 02:29 noice 02:29 we made a lentil dal thingy 02:29 fried the onion in a loooad of butter to make it extra yummy 02:31 did you do anything fun with your friend in Würzburg 02:32 yeah we were on a ship-museum! it was awesome :D 02:32 :o 02:32 we have one of those in Hamburg too actually 02:32 they had an exhibition about bioeconomy 02:32 (just saying) 02:32 neat 02:33 among other things, they presented a fleecy t-shirt that was made of... coffee!!! didn't know that was even possible 02:33 no way lol 02:33 and they also had coffee mugs that were themselves made of coffee and are nonetheless surprisingly robust and durable :D 02:34 whaaat 02:34 how does that even work 02:34 cool tho 02:34 mixing it with certain nature products to turn it into something that is similar to plastic, apparently (but still consists like 75% of coffee) 02:35 "Sadistic Levels of Endless X-Citement" <-- LOL I didn't realise it's the real name of Slex before 02:35 -!- nymphet has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 02:35 aoei: I wonder... Could I take this $28k down to the valley priest now and buy another 7 units of protection? ;) 02:35 arahael: you can buy from the valley priest just the same as you would with the minetown one yeah 02:36 Sweet. Another 7 AC. 02:36 well, depending how many points you have already 02:36 Woo! !I finally have the protection spell! 02:37 after some point (natural AC 0 I think), each donation has a reduced chance of giving you an additional point 02:37 Ah, so it's not a per-priest thing? 02:37 no it's total divine protection 02:37 doesn't matter what priest you donate to 02:38 So, this opera cloak is not auto-id'ing, and it's different to the cloak of invis, so it must be AC. Sweet. 02:38 MR, rather. 02:39 oh, great! 02:39 So this'll be good for Master Kaen. 02:39 did you geti t off the priest? 02:39 Yep. 02:39 please tell me youre not planning to melee Kaen 02:39 I've literally never been on that level, I'm goign to start with a wand of death and see how things progress. 02:40 doesn't he have MR from the Eyes? 02:40 And I'll bring my dragons with me. 02:40 Hmm, what's teh best way to attack him? 02:40 you cna protect yourself with a boulder fort 02:40 and range him 02:40 that's typically what was done in nh343, but i don't remember precisely what's changed about him in nh370 02:42 I probably might as well wear armour in the quest? I mean, if we'r enot going to melee, and all... 02:42 I'll fooproof this opera cloak. Got a cursed destroy armour here. 02:43 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:44 doesn't he no longer have MR from the eyes in 3.6 because he doesn't wear them? 02:44 yeah i think i heard something like that 02:44 meaning that you can simply wand of death him and he thereby becomes the easiest nemesis ever :P 02:44 but i think they also fixed it in 3.7? 02:44 apart from the Dark One. 02:45 * arahael leaves behind some useless unicorn horns. 02:49 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 02:51 How do I protect my BoH? Any way of making it fireproof? 02:55 Looks like 11 charges for a magic marker isn't enough for a scroll. 02:55 depends what scroll 02:56 you can look up the charges needed on the wiki 02:56 AC:-23, woah. 02:56 getting there :-) 02:56 mobileuser: Ah, of course. 02:57 All my armour, except for the mummy wrapping, is fooproof'ed and at it's max enchantment. 02:57 (Max _safe_ enchantment, anyway) 02:57 You don't really need to fireproof your BoH, just don't walk or fall into lava 02:58 Now, if I had a tshirt... 02:58 mobileuser: Good. 02:58 I supppose I should greese it, I happen to have a spare... 02:58 maybe if you wield it and use confused scroll of enchant weapon, but I'm not sure that works in vanilla 02:59 I have heaps of enchant weapon scrolls. 02:59 Have no use for them. :( 02:59 just don't put wand of cancellation or bag of tricks or another BoH in 02:59 many games have been ruined that way 02:59 Yeah, that actually scares me, I have a wand of cancellation, scared that a typo will make my BoH blow up. 03:00 I've done that before. :( 03:00 Not in this game, though. 03:02 * arahael has a spare scroll of enchant armour! 03:04 * arahael dumps 32k coins besides the stairs. 03:05 Should I charge a magic marker, and write myself a scroll of scare monster for Master Kaen? I'm goign to go down to the quest... 03:05 I've only got the one scroll of charging. 03:06 I don't think scroll of scare monster work for him 03:06 *works 03:06 doesn't work anymore in 3.7.0 03:06 Made it too easy, did it? 03:08 QUEST LEVEL! 03:08 Hmm. 03:09 Ok, it's no-tele, too. 03:10 Ok, enough exploring - I should see what the wiki says. 03:10 you are XP 12? 03:10 Yep. 03:11 Only 118 HP, though... 03:11 can't do the quest yet then 03:13 How do I bump up my HP? 03:14 blessed potion of full healing 03:14 nurse 03:14 potion alchemy 03:14 to get more full healing 03:14 Hmm. I do have a couple of these potions, but not enough - and none are gain level. Not really found any poly stuff other than traps 03:14 potion of speed + potion of healing => extra healing 03:14 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:14 Woah. 03:15 and then extra healing + gain energy = full healing 03:15 Can I do this on the quest level, or should I get the **** out? 03:16 I do think I have exceptionally good AC. (Hell, I was doing the castle with AC 2) 03:17 oh you are fine on the home level 03:18 There's multiple levels!? 03:22 yeah, the wiki has a page on the monk quest 03:26 The other guys here say that as long as I don't melee attack him, it should be fine. 03:31 boulder fort + ranged, perhaps even wand of death is safest 03:32 my own approach is to get -35 AC or better and then bash him ;-) 03:32 Ah, that explains it. :) I was planning on using wand of death. 03:33 preferably from a boulder fort, he could wear a cloak of MR if unlucky 03:35 if I remember right, you can get loads of shuriken from the quest 03:35 I have about 9 already. 03:35 bless and enchant and they will hardly ever break 03:35 And I might be able to get to -35 AC, lets see... 03:36 <@plisp> -35AC? Holy moly. I’ve never even gotten below -20AC 03:36 Nah, prot spell maxes out at -27 03:36 Would need to wish for a tshirt for that, and frankly,... -23AC is good enough, I think 03:36 it's harder for monks to get low AC 03:37 <@plisp> Oh do you reckon prot is worth wishing for on a wiz? 03:38 not really, it only works for a very short time (the spell) 03:39 once you get to XP level 14 or better, max dex, max luck, you can start trying body armor though as monk 03:41 <@plisp> Ah, maybe I’ll just try writing it actually... 03:44 mobileuser: This is just with helm, cloak, boots, and gloves. :) 03:45 yeah, pretty good already :-) 03:45 So, full healing potions - do they need to be blessed? 03:45 yes 03:46 I have one cursed potion of speed, do I just dip tht into a potion of healing? 03:47 What do I do with gain energy? 03:47 Or restore ability? 03:47 other way around, but I would first get a larger of healing if I were you 03:47 dip stack of healing into speed 03:48 then the resulting stack of extra healing into gain energy 03:48 then bless the full healings 03:49 Ah, interesting. 03:49 So I have only 3 potions of healing. 03:50 I think this is ging to be too much work. 03:50 https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Alchemy 03:50 And I don't need to melee Master Kaen anyway, surely. 03:51 Well you need XP 14 first before you can go to other levels of the quest 03:51 plenty of time yet 03:52 I guess I'll need to get back down to the castle, then. 03:53 Why XP 14, in particular? 03:53 I'm very nearly XP13, so one more level after this. 03:53 your quest leader will send you away otherwise. too inexperienced to fight Kaen. 03:54 Ah, interesting. Well, I'm XP 13 now, just wacked a bunch of earth elementals. 03:55 nice :-) 03:55 if you have a gain level potion, you can start the quest 03:55 I don't. :( 03:55 or eat a wraith or kill lots and lots of monsters 03:56 So, 40k is going to take a while to burn through. I guess I should go down to the castle - any chance I can take my dragons with me for that? 03:56 you could get lucky with a wraith corpse in the VotD 03:56 VotD? 03:57 sorry 03:57 valley of the death 03:57 below the castle 03:57 I haven't been there, perhaps I should just go and wack everything that's there. 03:57 (Whatever's there! Never been there before) 03:57 lots of wraiths and other undead 03:57 also lot of boxes and loot 03:58 Ah, nice. 03:58 So kill some wraiths, eat them, then get back up to the quest. 03:58 the wraiths almost never leave a corpse, but with so many there is a good chance of 1 corpse at least 03:59 Nice. 03:59 I should add: 03:59 some people do tricks like levelporting them out of the valley 04:01 Why? 04:01 (brb) 04:02 Looks like dragons have no problems with swimming. Nice. 04:05 Seem to have lost one of my dragons... 04:13 on graveyard levels wraiths have less chance to leave a corpse 04:13 I have to dig through the castle to get to the level below? 04:13 no, you can jump into one of the trapdoors 04:13 Ah, easy. How do I get back up, then? 04:13 stairs 04:14 What!? 04:14 No stairs but there's... stairs? 04:14 the VotD has stairs 04:14 That doesn't seem to conform to physics... 04:15 "on graveyard levels wraiths have less chance to leave a corpse" that's why some people levelport them to non-graveyard levels 04:15 Curious, just checked the wiki. Interesting... 04:15 too much work for me :-) 04:15 Fair enough. :) 04:15 How would you level teleport a wraith anyway? 04:16 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Gehennom, on T:47571 04:16 ring of teleport control, cursed scroll of teleport, stand next to wraiths 04:16 the wraiths will follow you 04:17 Ah, nice. 04:17 Woohoo! Slow digestion again! 04:19 Lots of ghosts. 04:20 Including my own! :D 04:25 have you blessed genoed L yet? 04:27 Yes. 04:27 And h's. 04:27 ah good 04:27 I'm also invisible. 04:29 So many boxes. :( 04:29 if you have max luck, checking once for traps is usually safe enough 04:30 It's not max, but I am "lucky". 04:30 And checking just once in the castle wasn't safe enough. 04:30 ok not lucky enough :-) 04:31 My BoH has too much crap in it. :( 04:31 Unidentified wand though... I suspect that may be poly. 04:33 Wraith corpse! 04:34 \o/ 04:34 Did nothing. :( Rotted away completely. 04:34 ah... :-( that can happen 04:34 Oh, priest of moloch. 04:40 -!- bugsniper_ has joined #hardfought 04:41 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:42 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 04:42 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:46 * arahael thinks that at some point, he may have to prioritise what he carries. 04:46 Maybe I don't need this leather jacket... 04:48 Woah, read a scrol of create monster in the Gennemon. NIce. 04:53 Looks like I only have MC1. 04:53 guarded? 04:54 Warded, only. 04:54 yes that's MC1 04:54 Hmm. Should I decend further? I still need more XP for the quest... 04:55 And there's a fairly dire warning on this stairs... 04:55 You are standing at the gate to Gehennom. Unspeakable cruelty and harm lurk down there.--More-- 04:55 do you have mr yet? 04:55 I have an Opera cloak, from killing a priest, yes. 04:55 you weren't able to get any wraith corpses to get to xl 14? 04:55 But I want to do the quest as soon as I have XP14. 04:56 you need to lure the wraiths out of the valley so they leave corpse 04:56 None. :( I managed to get *one*, but eating it just decayed completely. 04:56 In hindsight, I should probably have done that. :) 04:56 I never do luring, too much work 04:56 ahh yeah that sucks. if you get them to chase you back through the castle and up to the level above that (if it's not medusa and it's not in your game) they will leave corpses 04:57 Yeah - difficult with so many other monsters. 04:57 Ah, that's medusa. 04:57 I have medusa. 04:57 no but medusa is not right above the castle 04:57 in your game 04:57 sometimes it can be 04:58 Indeed, there's a level in between. 04:58 -!- bugsniper_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:58 Ahh well. So I guess I'll decend into Gehennom... 04:58 you should be fine 04:58 yeah. they eyes of the overworld are nice, but you don't need them if you have MR from something else and Kaen kinda sucks 04:59 ah... do you have ring of free action? 04:59 Not yet identified. 04:59 you need the bell when you want to win the game, but you have lots to do before that 04:59 I suppose I could just look for the bell when I'm ready for that, yeah. 04:59 fighting boss demons without free action can be risky 05:00 free action is important 05:00 ^^ 05:00 Hmm. 05:00 I'll identify my remaining rings, then. 05:00 do you have a way to polymorph things? wand/spell? 05:00 collect every ring you see regardless 05:00 they don't weigh much 05:00 worth a wish even if none of your un-id'ed rings is free action 05:00 rebatela: Nope, I've been searching for that literally the entire game. 05:01 yeah poly is rare in vanilla 05:01 mobileuser: I can wrest a wish... 05:01 rareish 05:01 the spellbook is da bomb and monks can get basic in matter 05:01 Ok, I need an altar to check BUC's, should've done that - going back up. 05:02 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:02 there is an altar in the VotD! 05:02 I would wrest for a wand of polymorph before i wished for a ring, but it might be a little hard to explain the whole process 05:02 mobileuser: Yeah, using that one. :D 05:02 ah ok 05:03 rebatela different play styles :-) 05:03 i know ;) 05:03 I hate polypiling in general 05:03 except scrolls 05:04 i love it. I think i like polypiling more than i like playing nethack 05:04 not really 05:04 if aoei was here she would recommend just smashing everything without prep :b 05:05 but when you can cast it at 0% it is fun.. along with stone to flesh. I love making lembas wafers for the rest of the game, 100 blessed tins of spinach etc. 05:05 *sigh*, no ring of free action. 05:05 And the hoped-for wand of poly... Is probing. 05:05 you looted all the chests in valley right? 05:06 Yeah. 05:06 really unlucky 05:06 Just add it to the list! 05:06 not even potion of gain level 05:06 yeah and the monk quest doesn't even have a ton of loot either 05:06 Yep. 05:06 I had to get to the castle without even reflection, too! 05:06 <@plisp> you can lure wraiths to castle then read cursed teleportation 05:06 plist: Too late. 05:07 can't you just read it from votd? I thought it was the castle that is no tele 05:07 <@plisp> I don't think you can levelport between branches 05:08 I think you can in vanilla 05:08 <@plisp> oh wait you can 05:08 i usually use eota so i'm always fuzzy about the scrolls 05:08 I've finally identified a ring of conflict... Now that I no-longer want it. 05:09 haha 05:09 that's how it works 05:09 that's the thing though if you found a wand of poly, you could uncurse (preferably bless) all the rings you don't need put them in a row and zap it 05:09 and you'd get free action eventually 05:10 or you can wish for it. It's not a waste of a wish at all. you need free action 05:10 rebatela: You know... I did the castle without a robe. 05:10 nice 05:11 AC varied between 2 and 5. 05:11 robe is really good for spells that you can't cast. but yeah it's more impressive that you did it wish high ac 05:11 with* 05:11 <@plisp> wait 2-5AC at castle? 05:11 I had good guidance here. 05:11 plisp: Yes. 05:11 <@plisp> was it a dig for victory? That's pretty impressive 05:12 No, just no MR, no reflection, and too damned many golden naga's. I burned through about 4 robes and cloaks. 05:12 careful use of drawbridge ;-) 05:12 Not a single wish before castle. 05:12 Yep. :) 05:12 Being invis helped, though. Helps slow down the hoard if they can't see you. 05:13 you can totally go into gehennom without the ring, but you're going to need it at some point. If something throws a potion of paralysis at you that can be bad 05:13 Yeah, that does happen. 05:13 i've died on astral that way 05:13 more than once lol 05:13 <@plisp> rip 05:13 <@plisp> free action negates para right? 05:13 yeah 05:13 para? 05:14 paralysis 05:14 Ah, yeah. 05:15 I suppose I might as well wear either a ring of +2 gain consititution - or +1 gain strength. 05:15 <@plisp> rebatela: while you're here, do you have any tips for wizard after retrieving the castle wand? Is quest doable with +2 magicbane? 05:16 i never play wizards, but yeah i think the wizard quest should be no problem if you did castle ? 05:17 the wizard quest nemesis is not very dangerous 05:17 +2 magicbane is fine 05:18 <@plisp> ah so eota is worth a wish 05:18 plus the eye is awesome and will make your game so much more fun. I'd do quest asap as a wizard i think 05:18 i wish for it immediately in vanilla lol 05:18 eota is wizard quest artifact? 05:18 it's why i play neutral. I SHOULD just play wizards 05:19 so no need to wish as wizard? 05:19 you can't wish for it as a wizard 05:19 ah ok 05:19 yeah don't wish for it. is that what you're asking??!? 05:19 it's worth a wish for other roles 05:19 "ah so eota is worth a wish" in the backscroll 05:19 plisp is a wizard 05:19 <@plisp> I was feeling adventurous and decided to do some xorn action at castle. Would've been absolutely catastrophic if I didn't have lifesaving 05:20 i assumed they were talking about worth it for other roles 05:20 <@plisp> got drowned by an eel 05:20 damn 05:20 you know you can't wish for your own quest artifact right? 05:21 <@plisp> good to know but I was planning to do the quest anyways 😉 05:22 yeah. the eye makes your pw regenerate faster (even from just carrying it) and you can invoke to branchport 05:23 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:23 Those eels suck though and was a big concern the few times i've done the xorn thing 05:24 a lot of times i will kill all the ; at castle before i do anything else just so i never have to worry about them 05:26 <@plisp> luckily my shark pet killed it afterwards. a couple of the monsters I charmed actually blocked the rest of the ; while I phased through 05:27 Did you pick the right corner to phase through? That's the best feeling, stealing the wand like that 05:27 <@plisp> I zapped a nymph beforehand for object detection luckily 05:27 nice 05:27 <@plisp> decided that I would only risk the xorn shenanigans if I got one of those 05:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:3055 05:28 yeah the last time i did it I forgot to take robe off. Had to kill a priest, but it was worth it (for me at least) 05:29 it rips apart when you turn into X 05:29 <@plisp> that's unfortunate 05:29 <@plisp> are robes that good? better than dragon mail? 05:29 ehh like i said totally worth it 05:30 well, they are rare. that's the thing. at least in the early game 05:30 And they're extremely useful for monks. 05:30 priests wear them, master kaen has one... 05:30 yeah ^^ that lol 05:30 <@plisp> being able to cast identify early on would sure be nice 05:31 i'm not even sure why, but monks get more of a bonus from robes plus it they offset your armor penalty and since you don't wear armor as a monk something something 05:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1575 points, T:3606, killed by a fire ant 05:31 the wiki explains it 05:31 The only problem with a robe is that it doesn't in itself provide MR. 05:31 <@plisp> ah I see. never tried monk 05:32 evilhack has these cool staffs, one for each spell school, and when you wield them it cuts the fail rate for spells in half or something... It's cool so roles that can't usually cast can cast harder spells if you wield the right staff 05:33 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 05:34 <@plisp> that's neat. the infidel role seems pretty fun 05:34 plisp: monks are super fun. And they can get basic in every spell school. I kind of play them like wizards who can fight 05:34 Robes also provide AC. 05:35 yeah i haven't tried infidel. it seems really challenging 05:35 mobileuser ascended it! 05:35 along with EVERY. OTHER. ROLE :) 05:35 <@plisp> damn nice 05:36 Hmm. I have a " of life saving. But the slot's taken up by reflection. *sigh*. 05:36 <@plisp> I'm planning to play variants after this wizard run's done 05:36 thx rebatela ;-) 05:37 arahael: that's kind of a monk problem... You are losing a slot by not wearing armor. It's one of the challenges for sure. 05:37 try evilhack priest sometime! pretty fun spellcasters. 05:37 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 05:38 <@plisp> I feel as if I'm missing out on a lot playing one role until I ascend... I'll never get through them all 05:38 Hmm, Asmodis is weird. 05:38 try to get on the upstairs 05:38 back where you came down 05:39 or downstairs 05:39 then go down when next to you 05:39 Can't kill it? 05:39 these boss types teleport to the upstairs when hurt 05:39 he'll keep teleporting to heal 05:39 Ah, interesting. 05:39 so you need to be on the upstairs yourself 05:40 or downstairs 05:40 lol 05:40 if you go downstairs you will hopefully be on the upstairs on the next level 05:40 he will follow 05:40 Apparently I could pay him? 05:40 you most certainly can 05:40 yes, too late now 05:41 He never offered. 05:41 so how did you know? spoilers? 05:41 <@plisp> maybe because you were invisible 05:41 bastard :-) 05:41 ARE YOU READING SPOILERS? 05:41 lol 05:41 just teasing if it isn't completely obvious 05:42 rebatela: Haha, sorta. :) 05:42 My approach was "wack-wack-wack - oh, he keeps coming back? Who's this Asmodeus guy?". ;) 05:43 plisp: Must've been it, yeah. 05:43 I'll just ignore him for now. 05:44 he's relatively harmless, but will be annoying when you have the amulet and rodney is casting double trouble and you just want to get to the stairs 05:44 careful!! 05:44 it seems you landed on juiblex level 05:44 Ah, so that's what it's called. 05:45 you may not want to fight 2 boss demons at once 05:45 i just looked your game for first time. it's still asmodeus. oh you went down and it's juiblex? 05:45 I saw a swamp when I peeked... 05:45 go back to the upstair. he might even run upstairs and you can chase him that way 05:46 highly recommended to read the wiki on juiblex 05:46 you need to know some tricks there 05:46 ^^ 05:46 <@plisp> those demon prince levels are so obnoxiously long during the ascension run 05:47 for sure 05:47 especially juiblex 05:47 when you keep getting dragged down and have to do it again 05:47 and again 05:47 evilhack gets rid of the mysterious force. a lot of variants do i think 05:48 <@plisp> yea I don't understand why it has to exist. There's no lore behind it either 05:48 Hmm. 05:48 I like that vanilla still has it although I think it gets nerfed in 3.7 05:48 because it sucks 05:48 So basically, I really want to kill Asodeus. 05:48 it's a huge pita. It frustrates you as you are running up with the amulet you've wasted your whole life trying to get 05:48 I 100% get why it exists 05:49 everyone hates it 05:49 <@plisp> it's cool for the first time nethack experience ™️ 05:49 that's why i don't agree with removing it 05:49 nah. because it sucks for everyone no matter how many times you've ascended 05:50 ftr, the mysterious force is replaced with other horrible things like swarms of monsters being spawned on the upstairs and random pits showing up everywhere 05:50 I wonder if I could wand-of-death it? 05:50 nope 05:50 <@plisp> It made my first ascension so much more stressful than it had to be and I'm grateful for that. But screw that stupid mechanic 05:51 you'll be able to kill him no problem once YOU are on the stairs 05:51 go all the way back to the upstairs 05:51 and hit him everytime he warps to you 05:51 it's a pain 05:51 <@plisp> probably easier to lure him onto the downstairs 05:51 yes, but juiblex is there 05:51 and will warp to you and you will be fighting them both 05:51 <@plisp> oh that's a bother 05:51 [hdf-au] [nh13d] PeachMuffin (Kni Mal), 68 points, T:57, gnome 05:51 juiblex has a disease attack 05:51 you need to be able to focus on him 05:52 or kill juiblex first, then go back 05:52 <@plisp> juiblex can probably be dealt with using a certain wand 05:52 yep you could do that too! 05:52 did juiblex change in 3.7? did i read that or is that just evil? wear he doesn't go down to 1hp anymore? 05:52 where* 05:53 The really good thing is that these horned devils keep dropping wands. 05:53 "Juiblex now only loses half of his HP when hit with digging magic from inside." 05:53 ya that's what i was thinking of 05:53 says wiki about 3.7 05:54 that makes it more difficult 05:54 definitely 05:54 because you used to be able to one shot him and then cure the sickness 05:54 may need multiple cures now 05:54 i 'm not sure how many turns you get 05:54 i think it's a bunch though. it's not like demogorgon or pestilence 05:54 maybe it is 05:55 lol 05:55 no not that bad 05:55 demogorgon kills you quick once you get bit or whatever that second time 05:55 the furstrating part is that there's no way to know 05:56 so when you finally have a turn and you're not stunned, do you cure yoruself or take another shot at him (talking about demo) 05:56 Ok, I think I may be in a bit of a spot. 05:56 <@plisp> time for conflict? 05:56 you hit a magic trap looks like 05:56 rebatela: Yep. 05:57 Oh, excellent idea for conflict. 05:57 <@plisp> oh wait you mostly summoned roths 05:57 do you have ways to heal yourself? (in general i mean) full healing potions? can you cast extra healing? 05:57 <@plisp> who's the @? 05:57 Nurse. 05:57 rebatela: I have something in the BoH for healing, let me check. 05:58 "You can't handle your conflict"!? 05:58 Hmm, nothing significant for healing. 05:58 so you haven't id'd full healing? 05:58 I have. 05:59 The potion, that is. 05:59 oh ok. do you have a stash somewhere? or this is all your stuff? 05:59 This is everything. 05:59 * arahael wiki's why he might not be able to put a ring of conflict on. 06:00 Personally, I would go back to the dungeon and make a camp near an altar, and start sacrificing things and praying and collecting things, sort everything out. Your god will give you gifts from praying like protection and hitpoints and SPELLBOOKS 06:00 But that's just how i play. I like overprepare and play lots of turns. 06:01 I might be somewhat similar. 06:01 it's probably boring g 06:01 :) 06:02 if you get a whole stack of teleport scrolls (like say 20) and dip them in a potion of unholy water and get teleport control, you will be able to level port 06:02 Ok, I'm in a much better spot now. 06:02 rebatela: Oh? 06:02 and that can help you escape situations Like you probably can't do it on that level, but on regular levels yeah you can go back and forth between lvls. 06:02 I have teleport control, and access to cursed teleport scrolls. Also have a cursed ring of teleport... 06:03 on levels with boss demons alive, you won't be able to do that 06:03 So, what I do is keep a lot of my stuff that I don't need to carry around under a boulder or something near an altar and a water source... and then I can kind of go back and forth to drop stuff off, read spellbooks, pray. etc. 06:03 But again. Not everyone plays that way. I think a lot do, but some people do not use stashes and just play through 06:03 Is it just me, or are trees growing1/ 06:03 !? 06:04 Oh, of course I'm a werecreature now. ;( 06:04 Bye bye, yet another robe/cloak, and bye-bye, MR. 06:05 quaff a holy water 06:05 wererat. I don't want that. 06:05 Now? 06:05 but yeah that sucks about the cloak. you lost them both? 06:05 yeaah now. it will say you are purified 06:05 otherwise you will keep switching back and forth 06:05 never pray in gehennom 06:05 Hmm. Will have to switch back to get to the BoH. 06:05 well when you switch back to it first thing 06:05 do it 06:06 that sucks.. you gotta watch for the message you feel feverish 06:06 Yeah, I completely missed it. 06:06 it's easy to miss. it can happen to anyone 06:06 type #monster 06:06 you will get pets 06:06 and they will be tame when you turn back 06:07 too late 06:07 but yeah drink that holy water 06:07 did it say you feel purified? i missed it 06:07 It did. :) But noooo! I've lost _all_ my armour, I think. 06:07 *phew* - they're on the floor. 06:07 nah you just dropped it 06:07 Except for the cloak - my only source of MR. 06:08 The entire game was getting that MR. 06:08 yeah you need to get out of there 06:08 and get mr somehow 06:08 lvl up and do the quest 06:08 i guess or get another cloak 06:08 I have another somewhere, maybe, will deal with this first. 06:09 yeah but he's gonna kill you now 06:09 the mr was blocking all those spells and shit i think 06:09 hold on 06:09 stop moving 06:10 I still have reflection. 06:10 <@plisp> MSGTYPE=stop "You feel feverish" you may want to add that to your configuration 06:10 plisp: Good tip. :) 06:11 ^^ this and there's a bunch of other messages.. just copy somoeones RC file for that stuff 06:11 you are in a bad spot 06:11 I'm going to take another look at my inventory. 06:11 <@plisp> MSGTYPE=stop "You are beginning to feel weak." MSGTYPE=stop "The .* (grabs|swings itself around) you!" MSGTYPE=stop "You don't feel very well." MSGTYPE=stop "You are slowing down." MSGTYPE=stop "You feel more confident" MSGTYPE=stop "You feel feverish" MSGTYPE=stop "You feel a strange vibration" these are the ones I've got 06:11 yeah get whatever healing potions you have out. It sucks i don't think you can even cursed teleport from this level right now because of asmo 06:11 and juiblex is below you 06:12 I'm way better off just casting spell of ordinary healing. 06:12 Compared to the healing potions I've got. 06:12 oh ok you can cast that 06:12 yes that's great 06:12 ok 06:12 i asked about extra. but yes healing is good 06:12 and you have a unicorn horn i imagine? 06:12 Yes. 06:12 oh last wish 06:12 put those gloves on obviously 06:12 aaargh you need to wrest 06:13 shouldn't he just wish for cloak of mr? 06:13 i don't think he's gonna get out of here 06:13 but he needs to wrest... 06:13 I'm being embalmed. 06:13 listen to mobiluser 06:13 yeah little chance that would work :-( 06:13 <@plisp> where did asmodeus go I wonder 06:14 oh right... wrest 06:14 he's healing on the upstair lol 06:14 <@plisp> oh that's not good 06:14 it's a damn shame juiblex is below 06:14 I could dig. 06:14 juiblex is below and i think it might even be no dig 06:15 also digging next to water can get you killed 06:15 And if I'm lucky, the speed boots will follow. If I'm *very* lucky, they'll drop onto the same square. Hmm, no-dig makes it tricky. 06:15 I think I just need a couple of turns. 06:15 your speed boots are on the ground? 06:15 Yes. 06:15 (afk now) 06:15 <@plisp> wait juiblex is diggable 06:15 so that would take two turns to pick them up and put them on and those things will kill you while you are dressing 06:16 I'm thinking dig, and let them hopefully fall down with me. 06:16 juiblex is diggable but i don't think the level he's on is 06:16 it might be 06:16 It is. 06:16 <@plisp> do items fall with you? 06:16 Juiblex is still diggable; it's just not as effective as before. 06:16 <@plisp> the demons probably will too though 06:16 yeah 06:17 i'm talking about the lvl arahael is on 06:17 Sometimes items fall. 06:17 asmodeus 06:17 plisp: Not always. Ah, the demons probably would follow, too, but I have no movement here either. 06:17 you ok? 06:18 Asmodeus's lair is also diggable. 06:18 I think I can dig. 06:18 https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/400474774440247317/762619654879182858/pic.png 06:18 I've often dug past it without realising it's his lair. 06:18 Andrio: I'm probably about to die. :) 06:18 you're going to die if you stay there... I mean, you could cast healing a couple times. I'm not sure what options you have 06:18 asmodeus is going to come back 06:18 fully healed. he will warp right to you 06:19 If you're still on the level. 06:19 look at his game andrio 06:19 I've dug down. 06:19 their* i don't know he/she 06:19 they are playing on AU 06:19 <@plisp> oh this is intense 06:19 hm 06:19 oh he dug 06:20 don't move again 06:20 damn. it sucks they buffed juiblex. you might be ok though. did your speed boots fall through? 06:21 Let me check. 06:21 Nope. 06:21 that's alright. you're alive for now 06:21 <@plisp> do you have a earth scroll? 06:21 In the bag. 06:21 those hezrous must have fallen through with you? 06:21 yeah good call plisp 06:21 I'll do that now... 06:22 then you should read the entire juiblex wiki 06:22 <@plisp> hmm this might yet work 06:22 Oh, crap. It's one of the blanked ones. 06:22 <@plisp> do you have teleport control? 06:22 he's easyish but he's going to poison you and you have to cure it 06:22 do you have a marker? 06:22 <@plisp> oh that's an issue 06:22 man..earth scrolls are so clutch 06:23 Is this 3.7? 06:23 I'm telling you. read the juiblex wiki because it would be kiind of hard for one of us to explain it all 06:23 I'm not worried (yet) about being poisoned. 06:23 it's not poison 06:23 Do monks get poisoned here? 06:23 Ah. 06:23 it's disease 06:23 you die 06:23 Well, I have a unicorn horn. 06:23 but yeah, you have bigger problems like 38 hitpoints 06:24 but juiblex will engulf you and make you deadly ill 06:24 you need to zap him with digging and cure yourself and kill him 06:25 you could dig down again, but don't do it next to water it won't work. But sometimes i dig down on that level if you are far enough away 06:26 What are the green symbols next to me? I thought htey were trees. 06:26 I hope that unicorn horn isn't cursed. 06:26 unicorn horn isn't even blessedd? 06:26 It was blessed. 06:26 Was. 06:26 What happened to it? 06:27 Those monsters upstairs apparently cursed it. 06:27 Or uncursed it. 06:28 Can you cast healing? 06:28 wearing the cursed +0 speed boots wouldn't be the end of the world. wouldn't help your ac, but you'd be very fast. But not sure if you should waste the turns doing that 06:28 they can 06:28 that might be the first move. you gotta get those hp up 06:28 mm 06:29 Then may be worth putting the conflict ring on. 06:29 Andrio: I tried, but it wouldn't let me put it on. 06:29 And the cursed speed boots. 06:29 oh, is it silver? 06:29 I'm going to take out the healing stuff first. 06:29 Andrio: Oooh! That would've done it! 06:29 the speed boots do more than is intuitive... you get extra turns in battle etc 06:30 If you don't have wolfsbane, you can cure yourself by drinking holy water. 06:30 i think they already cured it with holy water? 06:30 <@plisp> you do not want to be burdened 06:30 There shouldn't be a problem putting the ring on then. 06:30 there's juiblex 06:30 Hi Juiblex. 06:31 oh man.. stop moving for a sec 06:31 read the wiki on juiblex 06:31 that's what i would do. It's like a page, and then at least you'll understand what's going on 06:31 you might survive this 06:32 I'd be more worried about the 4d10 than the disease 06:32 Especially if you have teleport control. 06:32 true 06:32 Yeah. The reason I pushed ahead and allowed myself to be burdened, was because it's like, one or two potions that was doing it, and I was immediately going to quaff them. The last item I took out was the definitely non-cursed unicorn horn. 06:32 I had a spare. ;) 06:32 Nice 06:33 Wasted a whole bunch of healing potions - it's only healing me *slightly* faster than I'm getting hit... But I'm in a slightly better spot now. 06:33 you have teleport charges too, right? 06:33 <@plisp> that was smooth 06:33 rebatela: Yes. 06:34 At least you don't have to carry those any more either. 06:34 I should teleport myself now? 06:34 if you could totally heal yourself you can probably kill him with grand martial arts. i dunno 06:34 nah it's no teleport for you 06:34 Bah. 06:34 Do you have teleport control? 06:34 <@plisp> teleport for engulfing 06:34 and i'm not even sure if you can teleport him. It doesn't matter. He will warp to the stairs when hurt and then back to you like asmo was doing 06:34 Andrio: As a ring, in the BoH. 06:35 mm 06:35 Might be worth wearing that too, in case you need to emergency level teleport. 06:35 mobiluser picked the worst time to go afk 06:35 or teleport in general. 06:35 no levelporting with boss demon present 06:35 hello! 06:35 Hello mobileuser, Welcome to #hardfought 06:35 Heh. 06:35 mm 06:36 if you get engufled, dig out and he goes to half hit points or whatever.. grand master does a lot of damage. It's too bad you aren't very fast because every turn is huge 06:37 I might still be "fast". 06:37 but for the same reason it's probably not worth taking out the speed boots and putting them on when you should be healing 06:37 yeah you should be fast 06:37 intrinsic 06:37 unless a gremlin stole it 06:37 Unfortunately my wand of enlightenment is in the bag. 06:37 I don't think demons block level teleportation 06:37 only horizontal teleportation. 06:37 it's new 06:37 3.7 06:38 (i think) 06:38 yes 06:38 if you were playing 3.6 you'd be able to bounce out of there 06:38 Pity I'm not wearing my amulet of lifesaving at the moment. 06:38 they made it harder for sure 06:38 (Which is in the bag) 06:39 nah. you need reflection tho because you don't even have mr right now, right? 06:39 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 49056 points, T:6112, killed by a mountain centaur 06:39 this is nuts. you need to get back to the dungeon if you survive 06:39 Right. I do have a polished shield, though, but *sigh*, I'd still need dto be able to fight. 06:39 awesome run though 06:39 rebatela: Yeah... Through Asmodeus's lair. 06:39 seriously. if you die right here, you have done really well 06:39 i think you're gonna live though 06:40 now I am not sure about 3.7 and levelport 06:40 can't really find it in the wiki... 06:40 well, if you get to a level that doesn't have a boss? And figure out teleport control? You probably have a cursed teleport scroll and can levelport back to lvl 5 or whatever if you want 06:40 you could even just read it without teleport control and it will take you somehwere safer 06:41 maybe Andrio is right and I am wrong 06:41 Yeah, I think I should risk a self-telo. 06:41 Hopefully it doesn't land me on water... 06:41 well an uncursed one definitely won't work 06:41 no it just won't work 06:41 we are all sure about that 06:41 You can't teleport into water unless you levitate or water walk 06:41 and it won't teleport you into water ever 06:42 What about a cursed wand of telo? 06:42 <@plisp> swamp is no-teleport 06:42 maybe not even then, yeah 06:42 confused teleport scroll could get you out 06:42 if you try to teleport it will say a mysterious force prevents you 06:42 Well, you'd have to get away from Juiblex to use the wand. 06:42 what we aren't sure about is confused/cursed teleport 06:42 it's worth a try 06:42 you don't have cursed gain level? lol 06:42 oh wait 06:42 you don't want to go there anywayu 06:43 you want to go to like level 12 or something 06:43 whereever there's an altar 06:43 <@plisp> yea lol you gotta get outta there 06:43 rebatela: Upstairs would still be fine, I think. Just in a different spot. 06:43 go to minetown. somewhere friendly 06:43 Can't level teleport there from here. 06:43 minetown? yeah that was a joke 06:43 Well, it's definitely not safe to dig. 06:43 mm 06:44 i always keep my stash in soko 06:44 bad habit 06:44 I think I should quaff that last potion of healing and see what it's like. 06:44 <@plisp> you have magic mapping? 06:44 i should keep it at the castle or something.. i see people do that 06:44 <@plisp> you could try your luck 06:44 Magic mapping... Possibly - not as a spell, though - might be in a book or scroll though. 06:44 mobileuser: do you keep a stash? I've only really watched you at the end of games and it seems like you have it towards top of dungeon 06:45 <@plisp> levitation? 06:45 did you read the wiki about how to handle juiblex? 06:46 plisp: Just put the ring on, yes. 06:46 rebatela I make an early stash and just levelport 06:46 <@plisp> maybe map the level if you're making a run for it 06:46 <@plisp> I think you had a scroll 06:46 mobileuser: right. that's what it looked like when i've watched. We don't do EVERYTHING different ;) 06:46 Does it need to be blessed? 06:47 <@plisp> oh not BUC identified 06:47 <@plisp> just not cursed 06:47 I do know where the upstairs is, I think. 06:47 <@plisp> oh? 06:47 in vanilla I would make a stash at the castle, but that is too dangerous in evilhack 06:47 <@plisp> maybe the downstairs is better 06:47 See those )'s? That's the upstairs. 06:47 yeah, and in evil it's easy to curse a stack of 50 teleport scrolls or whatever 06:48 yup 06:48 plisp: But I don't know how to get from asmodeus's lair back up to the castle - I fell down to _this_ level and was trying to get up! :) 06:48 you should read about how to kill juiblex and then kill juiblex 06:48 plisp: So this is my second time here. 06:48 <@plisp> you can cursed teleport out of gehennom 06:49 your ac sucks tho 06:49 oh yeah 06:49 do that if you can 06:49 <@plisp> you probably need to recoup 06:49 that's what i'm saying 06:49 altar camp 06:49 if you are in a safe spot, wrest that wand for MR 06:49 mobileuser: Which MR? Mirror of Merlin? 06:49 <@plisp> juiblex's swamp xd 06:49 No, I can't artifact wish aymore. 06:49 you can turn that character into a superhero if you do the altar work and are willing to polypile lol 06:50 Cloak? 06:50 oh didn't some garbage artifact at the castle screw that up for you? 06:50 grimtooth ? 06:50 Oh! I have a *spare* scroll of enchant armour I think! 06:50 I love variants that dont count those artifacts towards wishing 06:51 bones can screw that up too 06:51 <@plisp> you won't be taking the boots off anyways though 06:51 that's what i was saying. put on the cursed speed boots 06:51 <@plisp> juiblex is p slow 06:51 if you have 2 turns to do that, it will save you way more in the long run and might save your life 06:51 but sometimes dressing is a bad idea 06:52 nice 06:52 yeah. now you're very fast 06:52 that's huge 06:52 <@plisp> if you have high damage you can probably kill juiblex 06:52 did you read about juiblex? 06:52 Conflict now. 06:52 <@plisp> after a digging charge 06:52 he's going to make you deadly ill 06:52 rebatela: Yes, but somewhat briefly. 06:52 is your unicorn horn blessed? 06:52 No, I should do that now. 06:53 you want to hopefully cure it in one turn 06:53 Damn, only two potions of holy water. 06:53 you'll make more in the dungeon 06:53 keep one 06:54 the thing with juiblex is it is overwhelming a bit 06:54 don't just move. think about every move 06:54 because you will be englufed and deadly sick 06:55 I'm goig to drink blessed gain energy. Give my self some magics. 06:55 Not much. :/ 06:55 <@plisp> haha what's this juiblex express 06:55 <@plisp> does it actually work 06:55 Sure does. 06:56 oh nice. you are on the stairs 06:56 rebatela: Yep, I knew where those were though. 06:56 man, the ac scares me 06:56 you're probably ok though 06:56 I think I'll risk the magic mapping. 06:57 you need magic resistance 06:57 maybe start wresting that wand.. i dunno lol 06:57 <@plisp> fingers crossed 06:57 you mgiht get lucky 06:57 <@plisp> against juiblex? 06:57 just in general. i dunno 06:57 i've never BEEN in gehennom without mr... that's why i don't know 06:58 you have a digging wand with charges in main inventory 06:58 <@plisp> reflection should be enough to stave off wands and such 06:58 rebatela: Yes. 06:58 You guys will be pleased to know that I only have MC1. 06:58 if you say uhhh lemme check that means you didn't read the wiki 06:58 ok ;) 06:58 Had MC1, I probably don't anymore... 06:59 An arch-lich suddenly appears! 06:59 lol 06:59 <@plisp> that would be bad 06:59 <@plisp> they may have genocided by now though 06:59 as long as you know to dig out, and to cure sickness with the unihorn? i think you are in a pretty good spot 07:00 you're on the stairs... that's the whole strategy 07:00 WAIT! 07:00 I have a charge left? 07:00 you have TWO wishes 07:00 lol 07:00 sweet 07:00 Shit! :) 07:00 one is a wrest 07:00 <@plisp> oh that's great 07:00 yeah... too bad no dragonhide in vanilla 07:00 but i would wish for that cloak 07:00 right? 07:01 mobileuser? 07:01 magic resistance? gehennom? 07:01 Dunno... Just a robe would work nicely. My spellcasting would be back up. 07:01 you can get a robe later. you want to live 07:01 Do you have silver dragon scale mail? 07:01 you need MR badly 07:01 if so, get a cloak of magic resistance. 07:01 if you want, you can level up and wear DSM when you gtfo of where you are! 07:02 AoR I think they have 07:02 Can I just zap it? I usually engravewith it. 07:02 <@plisp> yea zapping works 07:02 zap is fine 07:02 zap is fine 07:02 in that case, would be worth getting a marker to write scrolls of genocide and/or charging. 07:02 lol 07:02 And make gray dragon scale mail that way. 07:02 I don't have SDSM. I can't really wear it anyway... 07:02 <@plisp> monk though 07:02 well when they get the eyes of overworld they are going to have mr 07:02 If you're lucky and skilled enough, it's not a problem. 07:02 mm 07:02 are still in gehennom? 07:02 until the Wizard steals them 07:02 rebatela: I have to get there first. 07:02 if you wear DSM go with silver so it frees that amulet slot 07:02 mobileuser: Yes. 07:03 mobileuser: Swamps below, though. 07:03 get MR NOW 07:03 arahael: for sure. you need magic resistance NOW 07:03 you needed it this whole game. I've been losing my mind over here 07:03 Ok, "blessed fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance"? 07:03 rebatela: Haha, yes... 07:03 Probably wish for it greased too 07:03 This will be my second opera cloak. 07:04 Andrio: That's "Fixed", isn't it? 07:04 No, that makes it fireproof. 07:04 Grease would protect against eels and other grabbing attacks. 07:04 andrio: until the wizard steals them is right... But if you're worried about that as a monk wear the robe all game and then switch to cloak of mr once you wake rodney up.. high level monk doesn't even need robe really 07:04 fixed greased 07:04 indeed 07:04 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:50764 07:05 I got exactly that, sweet. 07:05 Nice 07:05 phew 07:05 Well, not sure if it's fixed, but anyways. 07:05 it will be 07:05 I think I'm going to see what magic markers I still have. 07:06 when you get out of here, I would learn the magic missile spell 07:06 is Juiblex dead yet? 07:06 i don't think so! 07:06 Juiblex isn't dead. 07:06 they have the stairs though 07:06 well he's going to come and land right next to you 07:06 then don't worry about magic markers now :-) 07:06 rebatela: Magic missile isn't _that- reliable, and I have the wands anyway. 07:06 every time you get a turn just hit him 07:06 the wand is a joke 07:06 rebatela: He's not here yet, though. 07:06 the wand is the shittiest wand there is. spell goes by your XP lvl 07:07 Oh, nice. 07:07 they are just called the same thing 07:07 but you need a ranged attack 07:07 is my point 07:07 I already know the spell, but since I have the cloak of MR, and not the robe, it's only 50/50. 07:07 for master kaen 07:07 you know magic missile? 07:07 Yeah. 07:07 ok. well keep the spellbook 07:07 But I only have 50/50 odds. 07:08 yeah well we will fix that 07:08 <@plisp> oh wait 07:08 <@plisp> you have a wand of cold 07:08 if you level up enough you won't need robe to cast 07:08 <@plisp> digging would've worked 07:08 and #enhance attack spells 07:08 plisp: Woah. 07:08 it's only a lvl 2 spell 07:08 what is your wisdom? 07:08 Wi:12 07:08 but with magic missile and a scroll of earth, you can beat master kaen and get the eyes/bell 07:08 or a death wand charge 07:09 Hmm. So I need to go upstairs and somehow get out of gehennom. 07:09 And ignore juiblex for now? 07:09 <@plisp> it might be easier to get downstairs 07:09 Master Kaen, Rodney etc. you can death wand... But not the demons 07:09 <@plisp> you can't levelport with asmodeus there 07:09 Ah, so that's the thinking about getting down first. 07:09 are you going to kill juiblex? 07:10 it's scary shit. But if you do it right, I think you can 07:10 <@plisp> that ^ would probably work 07:10 rebatela: Honestly? juiblex isnt' my priority. 07:10 your his... 07:10 you're his 07:10 he's going to warp right next to you 07:10 you're on the stairs lol 07:11 usually this doesn't happen 07:11 <@plisp> oh 07:11 you have two demon lairs next to each other 07:11 Magic Mapping wasn't cursed. 07:11 <@plisp> that is not lucky 07:11 sometimes it happens i guess 07:11 maybe 50 50 07:11 but it's not always like this, regardless 07:12 <@plisp> downstairs is on opposite side of map 07:12 actually you can dig down on this level if you get away from the water 2 steps in every direction 07:12 <@plisp> oh like that patch to your left 07:12 like way above there... but i wouldn't leave the stairs 07:12 There's only a few places where I can do that, and neither are close. 07:12 i'd stay where you are and kill him 07:12 -16AC? I think you're ok. 07:12 but i've only played 3.7 once i think 07:13 i really might not be the best person to talk to. They definitely changed it 07:13 just make sure you have the digging wand out 07:13 and think about every turn 07:14 because when you're sick there's basically a timer. you can't waste turns 07:14 I'm thinking of making a run for the patch and digging down. 07:14 with MR restored going back to asmo is also an option? 07:14 <@plisp> if they haven't buffed him -16AC and some decent damage should be fine 07:15 yep. You could probably go back up too 07:16 Do these other &'s keep regenerating as well down here? 07:16 Such as this horned devil. 07:16 <@plisp> random spawns probably 07:16 I'll risk attacking him, then. 07:16 <@plisp> don't walk towards the demons tho 07:16 <@plisp> maybe go for the patch 07:16 stay on the stairs if you are going to fight him 07:17 he will come to you 07:17 <@plisp> so you have two options 07:17 <@plisp> hmm 07:17 if you go to the patch he's going to come to you too 07:17 you have the upper hand right now 07:17 because you are on the stair case 07:17 he has nowhere to go 07:17 <@plisp> zap teleport 07:17 i would kill him. honestly. you will only die if you make a mistake 07:18 <@plisp> he seems to really be taking a while 07:18 it's a little tricky because you are engulfed and termianlly ill 07:18 Engulfed! Finally. 07:18 Re-reading the wiki, I think I need to do the wand of dig adn then immediately unicorn. 07:19 the thing is.... he used to only have 1hp after you dig out 07:19 Actually I have more than just the one turn? I think I should do the wand of dig, bash *once*, then the unicorn? 07:19 and they buffed him a bit 07:19 <@plisp> makes sense 07:19 but you're still going to whoop his ass 07:20 <@plisp> you'll want to go back to the upstair 07:20 cure urself 07:20 Hmm. One bash isn't enough, for sure. 07:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Juiblex, on T:50782 07:20 So easy. 07:20 yeaaaah 07:20 <@plisp> oh lol 07:20 <@plisp> the wonders of speed never cease 07:21 alright so just be careful on this level there are ; and P slimes and bad things 07:21 just take it slow 07:21 I'm going to take a peak downstairs. 07:21 but you can go down the stairs yeah 07:21 <@plisp> how did u teleport? 07:21 and it will be a normal level hopefully 07:21 <@plisp> travel? 07:21 Just walked. 07:21 It seems to be a normal level now. 07:21 man.... i thought you were dead up there on asmodeus 07:21 well done 07:22 rebatela: So did I! 07:22 I should still go back up and see if I can get my speed boots back though. 07:22 oh yeah.. you should go kill him now 07:22 They were... Well worn and much more comfortable... 07:22 <@plisp> nice job 👏 well played 07:22 actually. at some point teleport out of here 07:22 Just taking a peak down here first. 07:22 go to the dungeon. manage your inbentory . that's what i'd do 07:22 <@plisp> wait didn't you have another pair of speed boots? 07:23 plisp: Yes, but this one isn't enchanced to +5. 07:23 <@plisp> you can probably kill asmodeus now 07:23 <@plisp> worth going back 07:23 but when you come back down? that's the way to kill asmodeus... Like if you could go to the VoTD and go the way you went before, you will be on the upstair and it's the same thing. He won't have anywwhere to go and you'll kill him in a few turns 07:23 that's really how you kill every bad guy. it's all about the stairs 07:23 <@plisp> lure asmodeus to the downstair 07:23 <@plisp> go downstairs 07:23 rebatela: Yeah, I fell through to this level and had to get back up. I don't actually know how to get upstairs from asimov's lair. 07:23 <@plisp> hopefully that works 07:24 plisp: Hmm. Doesn't he go upstairs when wacked? 07:24 <@plisp> don't wack 07:24 <@plisp> hopefully he follows you downstairs 07:24 <@plisp> and then you have the upper hand 07:24 Ah, ok. 07:26 yeah. they will follow you if you are on the stairs. up or down. 07:27 The thing is, it USED to be that now you will be on a regular level where you can teleport and such 07:27 but in 3.7, now if the boss is on your level, regardless of if it's a lair or whatever, you can't do that stuff.. I THINK 07:27 Ha, and I forgot about levitation :/ 07:27 I'm ok though. 07:28 oh no, did you take a dip? 07:28 grease that bag of holding 07:28 Yeah, re-applied it. 07:28 <@plisp> the demon prince lairs used to be no-teleport 07:29 My cloak's no-longer greased though. 07:29 <@plisp> I remember this vividly since I could not teleportitis my way out 07:29 Hmm. If I were to wrest a wish, what whould I wish for most? Hmm. 07:29 I would go learn spells, do some alchemy get those hit points up, some altar scumming, lots of prayer, lots of polypiling so you learn every spell and have dozens of charging scrolls and cursed genocide and nurse dance 07:29 <@plisp> oops 07:30 man i get anxious just watching someone else on that level 07:30 rebatela: Haha. :) 07:30 Yeah, sorry I don't think I'll do the alchemy thing. 07:30 i know. i'm joking around 07:30 you need some full healing potions though 07:31 <@plisp> wait a couple turns 07:31 <@plisp> erm 07:31 no stay on the stairs 07:31 <@plisp> you wanna stay on the upstair 07:31 go back down. you were fine 07:32 I thought the idea was to lure him away? 07:32 just stay on the upstair and kill him 07:32 OH! 07:32 <@plisp> oh nah 07:32 <@plisp> you can easily kill him now 07:32 nooo, stay on the upstair! 07:32 The lights just turned on. 07:32 and you need to get free action 07:33 I see. 07:33 you're fine.. do salamanders drown in vanilla? 07:33 rebatela: I have a possible wand of poly now, from the last time I was fighting Asmodeus. 07:33 watch out for that red : 07:33 <@plisp> oh 07:33 ups =) 07:33 go up 07:33 <@plisp> conflict is fine 07:33 and he'll follow you might be able to get a shot in and kill him 07:33 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 07:33 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Asmodeus, on T:50925 07:33 <@plisp> kill asmodeus first 07:33 nice killed him 07:34 gz 07:34 Yay! 07:34 <@plisp> gg 07:34 watchout that succubus is gonna strip ya 07:34 i haven't watched someone else play like this in a long time. i gotta go, but thanks for the entertainment arahael! 07:35 rebatela: :) "Like this"? ;) 07:35 <@plisp> haha this is the best kind of play 07:35 haha i meant for long periods of time 07:35 What the hell does this all mean! Haha. : 07:35 :) 07:35 but yeah 'like this' too lol 07:35 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 41317 points, T:3527, killed by a human mummy 07:36 just don't get overconfident! you need free action. And I would try to learn spells and get your max hp up (and AC!) 07:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was given Magicbane, on T:28796 07:36 if this were evilhack, that gelatinous cube would kill you because you don't have free action 07:36 <@banjoe> whos the wretched bastard who got cocked on asmodeus 07:37 <@banjoe> raise hand 07:37 rebatela: Ah, interesting. 07:37 <@banjoe> did he die yet 07:37 you could probably go get those +4 speed boots back 07:37 uncursed the ones you have 07:38 Yeah. 07:38 did you drop other gear? 07:38 banjoe: Yeah, I killed him. 07:38 <@banjoe> not bad!!! 07:38 rebate: I can't actually remember, the speed boots was the main thing I was worreid about. 07:38 <@banjoe> wait why couldnt you pay him 07:38 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:38 <@plisp> and juiblex too 07:38 <@banjoe> jubilex es 07:38 <@plisp> long story, they were invisible 07:38 <@banjoe> aslong as you have hands 07:38 <@banjoe> oh lmao 07:38 <@banjoe> yeah thats a shitter 07:38 <@banjoe> no wrapping? 07:39 <@plisp> who actually keeps wrappings tho 07:39 <@banjoe> smart people 07:39 <@banjoe> who dont nearly get killed by asmodeus 07:39 I have a wrapping, but wasn't expecting this level. 07:39 <@banjoe> actually admodeus is pushover with cold resis apparently 07:39 <@banjoe> thats why you telepathy every darn level 07:39 <@plisp> yea the catch was the lycanthropy 07:39 <@banjoe> oh yeah no prayer 07:40 <@banjoe> no holy water? 07:40 <@banjoe> @plisp what class 07:40 Do poison clouds ever go away? 07:40 banjoe: I'm a lawful male monk. 07:41 <@banjoe> dam respect 07:41 <@banjoe> not ickle baby first timer samurai 07:41 banjoe: The trouble was I was *completely* swamped by major demons and a nurse, along with a werecreature biting me and I didn't notice the "You feel feverish". 07:41 <@banjoe> yeah that happens 07:41 <@banjoe> ive experienced it before 07:41 <@banjoe> wearing conflict then looking into castle courtyard for first time 07:41 I think I'm going to turn on auto-pickup, and then duck down this hole? 07:42 banjoe: I didn't have conflict, or MR, for the castle. 07:42 <@banjoe> just drawbridge cheese? 07:42 banjoe: I did the castle with just AC 2 to 5. (It varied). But I had a lot of help from this channel, and yeah, drawbridge cheese. 07:42 <@banjoe> god bless the drawbridge cheese 07:43 <@banjoe> ive only gotten through once without using it 07:49 I have my boots back! 07:49 nice 07:49 Yep, these other boots are still cursd though - can't get them off, but can deal with that later I guess. 07:49 Just need to find my way back up. 07:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1641 07:52 man, any game i play now will seem boring compared to what i've been watching 07:52 i have a lawful (giant) monk going in evilhack 07:52 monks are the best, but you should play neutral next time (better artifacts!) 07:53 rebatela: Hmm. :) 07:53 i'm only playing lawful because no one has asecnded it. 07:53 This is definitely one of my better games. 07:53 Best game, even. 07:53 yeah, but next time? You'll get to the castle again, get the wand etc. 07:54 maybe not the next exact game, but in general.. you reached a threshold 07:54 and you know what to do 07:54 but you'll always keep learning things. that's why nethack is so fun 07:55 Yep, for sure. 07:55 Not sure what to do with this hole though. I need to get over it - oh, levitiation. 07:56 when you make more holy water you can uncurse those boots 07:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 227 points, T:479, killed by a coyote 07:57 gotta go. fun watching you play! good luck 07:57 rebatela: Thanks. :) 08:04 Hmm. SLimed! That's new to me. 08:04 Unfortunately I think the only cure I can use is to zap fire at myself or read a scroll of fire. 08:04 zap fire wand at yourself 08:05 ugh 08:05 man... i was gonna say be careful on that level (i think i did) 08:05 you don't have a fire wand? 08:05 rebatela: You did, but I figured it was just due to eels and stuff! 08:05 or scroll? 08:05 I do have fire somewhere. 08:05 do you have charging? 08:05 for the empty fire wands? 08:06 One scroll of fire, I think that's quicker. 08:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was given the Garnet Rod, on T:29938 08:06 yeah read it 08:06 I do have one scroll of charging, but I would prefer to save it. 08:06 scroll of fire is fine if not cursed 08:06 less turns 08:07 you got burned, but worth it 08:07 phew... i don't think i can watch you play anymore lol. it's giving me a panic attack. get off this level 08:07 rebatela: Haha. :) 08:07 I was looking for my pet dragon, I think he's gone. 08:08 He's definitely gone. :( 08:09 just be careful your ac still kinda sucks 08:09 those olog-hai come back like trolls 08:10 I ate it. 08:10 nice 08:10 The crazy thing is... Except for this game, the current AC is the best I've ever had. 08:10 Hmm... Remove curse... 08:10 I wonder? 08:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Ran Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:18241 08:15 rebatela: Back up to AC:-23 :) 08:25 nice1 arahael 08:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was given Release from Care, on T:30597 08:26 aoei: Haven't gone back up again yet, still badly need holy water. :/ 08:26 don't you have any coaligned altars anywhere? 08:26 whereabouts in the game are you currently 08:26 and can you do blessed confused removed curse scroll? 08:27 aoei: Gehennom. 08:27 nice 08:27 Haven't done quest yet. 08:28 btw rld/@Joanna yesterday was also me chatting (idk if you were aware) 08:28 Ah, nice! I wasn't awre. 08:28 *aware 08:28 you still playin now 08:28 aoei: I am, but I should probably knock-off soonish. 08:29 But not quite yet ;) 08:29 Still no tshirt. :( 08:29 aw :( 08:29 Lost my cloak of MR and had to wish for a new one, that was insane. 08:29 how many potions do you have in total 08:29 woah how come how did you lose the CoMR? 08:29 In total? Or just for holy water? 08:29 well, blankable ideally 08:30 watching now 08:30 -23 is pretty good tho, don't sweat it too much about the tshirt 08:30 I forget, but... The above is a long long discussion, I got into quite a bad spot. Asodeus, Juiblex, and I was swarmed by a nurse and various other creatures (including one that breaths poison gas?)... And I got bit by a were-creature of some sort... Ah, that's how I lost the cloak. 08:31 whoopsie 08:31 must've been a werewolf 08:31 Yeah, got waaaaay down in the health with all that crazyiness going on. Ended up digging down to the swamp... Killing Juiblex... 08:31 other werecreatures won't rip the cloak when you transform 08:31 Yeah, werewolf, I became a 'd', so must've been. 08:32 werejackal also turns you to d but you don't rip your cloak 08:32 jackals aren't that big 08:32 i suppose you missed the lycanthropy message and didn't realise until you turned 08:32 unfortunate when that happens :S' 08:32 Indeed. 08:33 it's fun to read the log aoei, the tension was unbearable ;-) 08:33 aoei is here to guide you 08:33 mobileuser: how far back should I scroll? 08:33 mobileuser: Haha. :) 08:34 just kidding :b 08:34 aoei: There's even a screenshot! 08:34 arahael: :o 08:35 I don't keep any logs but any given weechat session will contain ZNC backlog starting from the last time I logged out 08:35 but then this chan is logged anyway if I really wanted to look 08:35 go back to like yesterday 10am est 08:36 does est mean new york or something? 08:36 it was their first time to castle and had no MR or reflection and like 5 AC or something crazy 08:36 The situation started in 20:56... It's now... 08:36 Wow, it's now 23:36 :/ 08:36 https://www.hardfought.org/irclog/%23hardfought-2020-10-05.log 08:36 yeah but you were playing yesterday 08:36 heh I think I was around for some of that. I remember castle chatter 08:36 Bye bye, yet another robe/cloak, and bye-bye, MR. 08:36 is it like tuesday in autstralia? how does it work? 08:37 around there ;-) 08:37 rebatela: I'm on holidays. :) 08:37 no i just mean the time. not work like a job 08:37 (Though my wife isn't too impressed, but she seems to be letting me play. I'll probably have to give her all my attention tomorrow) 08:37 it's 8:30 am monday here 08:37 But I've taken the week off for holidays. 08:37 I was telling arahael to go get divine protection from the valley priest without waking the graveyard mobs at one point :D 08:37 Unlikely to play much more nethack after today though. 08:38 yeah did you ever check your game for ludios? 08:38 aoei: Oh, yeah - I got that - but from *minetown*. 08:38 rebatela: ludios is effort tho 08:38 rebatela: Nah, just looked in my BoH, and woah, I had some $20k already. 08:38 you can kill the minetown priest and take your gold back and donate it to the valley priest (But DON'T do it if it's aligned with your god or you will lose the points) 08:38 Seriously. I was picking up every coin I had seen that entire game. 08:38 arahael: i guess minetown is somewhat safer :D 08:38 rebatela: I did, but meh, too heavy. :D 08:39 lmao 08:39 could have stashed some gear and levported maybe 08:39 Ok, I've fallen down quite a few levels, now suddenly dlvl 33. 08:39 aoei: Hmm, actually I've never levported. 08:39 yeah but you can cursed teleport out of there 08:39 you need to get teleport control. do you ahve the ring? 08:39 arahael: it's faster and less annoying than walking, but you waont teleport control :P 08:39 I've got teh ring. 08:39 have you done vlad yet? 08:40 Nope. 08:40 you don't even realize what you survived... 08:40 rebatela: Haha. :) 08:40 rebatela: hm? 08:40 you can get out of there now. you were stuck before 08:40 rebatela: It's pretty amazing. 08:40 did i miss something 08:40 No MR fighting boss demons 08:40 yeah he was in a bad spot on asmodeus level 08:40 aoei: I was _dead_ before, and the worst of it was... I was wishing I was wearing an amulet of life saving. 08:40 with juiblex right below 08:40 and he dug down to get out of the situation 08:40 lucky to be alive 08:40 ah okay 08:41 wow 08:41 bold 08:41 I've been in Gehennom w/o MR before 08:41 but he had a wish and didn't realize it too 08:41 but i don't recommend it 08:41 it was the werewolf accident 08:41 ah yeah 08:41 yeah.. man that has screwed me over 08:41 those weredemons in vlad's 08:41 if you miss that message about the fever it can go awfull wrong very quickly 08:42 aoei: I did have MR, though, but lost it due to becoming a werejackle. 08:42 werewolf<* 08:44 sorry if its annoying that i keep correcting you, but it had to be werewolf, pretty sure jackal won't rip a cloak 08:47 Ah, that's fine. :) 08:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:54597 08:47 oh shit 08:47 were you trying to keep weaponless 08:48 aoei: Not really. 08:48 ah okay 08:48 I've had monk games where I wanted the conduct and lost it to a pick-axe accident in gehennom 08:48 is very annoying when that happens :< 08:48 bad werecreature incident: https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1597168924.evil.html 08:49 ooo from evil game 08:49 i dropped all my gear that guy was kitted out. you can't see it because i dropped everything thinking that's why i was stressed but it was probably really just the boulders 08:49 looks terrifying rebatela D: 08:49 Everywheredemons 08:50 i had 3 markers in evilhack. i was doing well... 08:50 :< 08:50 poor dear 08:51 i keep trying to ascend a lawful giant. i drowned one in lava in molochs 08:51 ouch 08:51 (or a salamnder did, mor accurately) 08:51 I still haven't gotten further in Evil than sokoban 08:51 but then mobileuser died the same way, and then k2 died the same way 08:51 my best run died in sokozoo 08:51 lava drowning sounds rather painful 08:52 Hmm... Nurse corpse... SHould I eat it? 08:52 are you human? 08:52 Yes. 08:52 then maybe don't 08:52 Ok. 08:52 i think they're considered human 08:52 the salamanders blend in too... at least with the DEC graphics 08:52 rebatela: IIRC with normal tty graphics they are a bit more distinctive 08:53 i think you're right 08:53 it's like camoflauge with enhanced stuff 08:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Pilferer, on T:20782 08:55 ooo i had a +7 damage bonus in that game too 08:56 ;o 08:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha) was given Mirrorbright, on T:31843 08:57 tbh I personally never liked any of the alternatives. tty graphics all the way 08:57 I haven't drowned in lava yet, but I have been blown up on a drawbridge 08:57 i thought you were drowned? it was a drawbridge? 08:57 yup 08:57 i could have sworn a salamnder got u... 08:58 regardless.. it sucks to die there 08:58 I have also been petrified by a beholder on the asc run 08:58 me too 08:58 mobe himself confesses the drawbridge was cuz he got cocky 08:58 so own fault :P 08:58 or at least very far in the game.. didn't have the amulet i guess but it was before the eyes of the overworld blocked it 08:59 yeah next game I zapped the bastards first 08:59 haha 08:59 dont take any chances 09:00 also: beheaded by shambling horror 09:00 took me a long time to ascend evilhack. a year i think, but i gave up for a while 09:01 At last! XP 14. 09:01 \o/ 09:01 QUEST TIME 09:01 scroll of earth is all you really need and magic missle spell or death wand 09:01 mobileuser: For sure! 09:01 rebatela: No scroll of earth. I *could* write one, though. 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 5609 points, T:3046, killed by an energy vortex 09:02 I have an unid'ed ring and an unid'ed wand, though. Might be free action and poly. 09:02 yeah, welll you will get destroyed with no free action and -20 ac and 100 hp or whatever if you don't make a boulder fort and stay in it 09:02 -!- mackeyth has joined #hardfought 09:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:1927 09:03 rebatela: I guess I'll have to write one. 09:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2248 09:04 Every damn time! 09:04 I forget the levitation. ;( 09:04 ugh 09:04 rip 09:04 nice run 09:05 or did you just take another dip and blank everything? 09:05 i can't watch your game anymore 09:05 i'm drinking because of your game 09:05 rebatela: No, it just took the grease off. 09:05 Re-applied it all. 09:07 are players actually using autoquiver? 09:08 i think i use it 09:08 maybe not i hit Q ? 09:08 Q all the boulders and then F ! goodbye nymph 09:08 autoquiver is using heuristics to fill your quiver if it's empty 09:09 i definitely don't use heuristics knowingly 09:09 wtf is that? 09:09 "Automatically quiver some suitable weapon if your quiver empties when firing. Boolean option, defaults to FALSE. Can be set in-game. Persistent." 09:10 heu·ris·tic 09:10 /hyo͞oˈristik/ 09:10 Learn to pronounce 09:10 adjective 09:10 adjective: heuristic 09:10 enabling a person to discover or learn something for themselves. 09:10 we asked if they were trying to play unspoiled if that's what you mean? 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 766 points, T:680, killed by a dwarf 09:12 in this case, not a person but the game trying to guess what to quiver 09:12 ahh 09:12 "heuristics" is programmer speak for "the code does something simple stupid that is 90% correct but we cba to solve the general, more complicated case because it would either mean to use the combined cpu power of google cloud or because we are lazy" 09:12 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 09:12 interesting 09:14 Quivering is very conscious decision for me, I wouldn't like the game to choose 09:14 yeah, i'm always checking 09:14 for me, too. but if I am low on ammo, I have to choose the same throwable objects over and over again 09:14 big difference between throwing a boulder and rusty crude dagger or wahtever 09:19 im reading scrolbax but i haven't got to the good bit yet 09:19 wow you have loads of potions arahael 09:19 :D 09:19 shouldn't have too many holy water issues for a while when you blank and bless a bunch 09:19 It's such a good thing that they nerfed elbereth when they did... think of what a better player arahael is than they would be... 09:19 don't forget to keep some for unholy tho 09:20 heh yeah rebatela 09:20 I don't think gain energy isn't terribly useful. 09:20 I relied on it way too much as a crutch in my first ascensions for sure 09:20 arahael: agreed. it doesn't give you very much Pw at all 09:20 rebatela: I liked how they indeed did that - also the credit-cloning changes. 09:20 i didn't KNOW about E word until after i ascended first time, but i'm grateful for that. seriously 09:20 in fact, the vast majority of potions are only good for blanking IMO 09:20 Elberethelberethelbereth was indeed a crutch. 09:21 Gain energy is more useful for increasing your maximum energy. And possibly even more useful for alchemy. 09:21 aoei: I think 4 potions of unholy water is plenty!? 09:21 ^ that. Alchemy! 09:21 yeah, but you are doing awesome w/out it... you're learning the actual game . There are escape items 09:21 arahael: I would disagree 09:21 aoei: Curious. :) 09:21 there are loads of cool uses for cursed scrolls 09:21 but I'm not gonna get into all of them now tbh 09:22 I like cursed scroll of destroy armour... But I haven't needed many for that. 09:22 you don't need *loads* of cursed water, but I reckon I'd typically use a lot more than 4 in a typical game 09:22 you were in a bad spot and dug down into an equally dangeorous spot (and you knew about it) 09:22 but you survived 09:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 401 points, T:973, killed by an iguana 09:22 way better than burning eleberth on the staircase or whatever they do in 3.43 09:22 levport, revgeno, self-confusion via cursed ?oConfuse Mon, cursed destroy armour you mentioned... 09:23 but aoei you can always make more later when needed 09:23 rebatela: E is too unreliable in those situations anyway. 09:23 nowadays 09:23 mobileuser: yes true but arahael has rinsed most of the dungeons for potions already 09:23 in the old game it was very reliable 09:23 Ah, indeed. 09:23 im only suggesting not to make all of the blank ones into holy right now 09:23 i'm talking about the game, more than you 09:23 and to save some water 09:23 they made it harder 09:24 aoei ah... although monsters will keep dropping them. 09:24 but at the end of the day, it forces you to learn the game 09:24 aoei: I'm blanking most of them. 09:24 elbereth was a crutch for a lot of people 09:24 rebatela: yeah 09:24 rebatela: For me, it was prot runs. I always did them. 09:24 Andrio: true, maxPw gains is a good thing, and alchemy for full heal is good too 09:25 I'm not keen on doig alchemy in this game. 09:25 for actually restoring power, use a scroll of charging instead, or the Mitre of Holiness. 09:25 Didn't really know about it, but plus, I think alchemy is just going to be too tedious. 09:25 arahael: im just sayin I'd personally blank a lot of potions but not bless all of my water at once 09:25 aoei: Ah. 09:25 that's a good strat 09:25 sometimes I'll do something like 7:3 holy to unholy 09:26 with a particular stack of uncursed water 09:26 but saving some uncursed water is also viable 09:26 which is a good strat mobileuser 09:26 17 potions of water. 09:26 also agree with Andrio about charging scrolls 09:27 if you're using spells a lot, confused charging fills your Pw to max no matter what 09:27 i would altar camp, alcehmy, polypile, nurse dance 09:27 tedium all the way 09:27 but you will ascend lol 09:27 it is *the* best single Pw recharge 09:27 Still no wand of poly. :( 09:27 Wands of wishing are more common! 09:27 but optimal use is of course when you have high max Pw and almost down to none left 09:28 yep... you should learn all the good spells, missile, charm mosnter, remove curse, identify, MAPPING, etc 09:28 eep. burdened 09:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 360 points, T:754, killed by a hobbit 09:28 being burdened bad 09:29 aoei: I know. The bag is very very heavy, I'm right at the limit. 09:29 And I have a bunch of water outside the bag. 09:29 its blessed tho i assume 09:29 yeah 09:29 like i said, aoei is taking over the rains.... 09:29 reigns 09:29 reins? 09:29 lol rebatela 09:29 i don't know how to spell the word.. but we've been helping this player for 2 days and it's your turn ;) 09:30 haha 09:30 i shall be of assistance if i can 09:30 rebatela: Haha. :) 09:30 rebatela: it was reigns btw 09:30 I'll be going to bed very soon, won't do quest yet. 09:30 and it is an odd word 09:30 *reins. 09:30 and english spelling is dumb 09:30 what's your native language rebatela 09:30 if you train attack spells you should be able to cast magic missile w/out robe no problem 09:30 english 09:30 I think I'll change half the potions into holy waters. 09:30 ah :D 09:31 god, am i that bad at speaking it? lol 09:31 the language so bad our own speakers can't spell words 09:31 i just wondered cuz of the reigns thing 09:31 Hmm, 10 of them. 09:31 lol 09:31 aoei: *reins. 09:31 wait wat 09:31 oh. arahael is just messing with me. it is reigns 09:32 it's reins. i googled 09:32 damn it! 09:32 now i feel like a fool XD 09:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 176 points, T:552, killed by a gnome lord 09:32 but i've never seen that word in a book or anything 09:32 reigns is for monarchs 09:32 reins is for reindeer 09:32 Haha. :) 09:32 aoei's native language is Scots ;-) 09:32 mobileuser: but I can't even speak that :< 09:33 xD 09:33 :b 09:33 Actually, "reigns" to me looks totaly different. 09:33 Perks of being deaf, i guess. 09:33 are you in scotland, aoei? 09:33 rebatela: I was born there but I grew up in Cambridge 09:33 do you sound like the janitor on the simpsons? that's pretty cool if so 09:34 * arahael tries to remember why he wanted holy water. 09:34 i live right next to cambridge, but i suspect it's a different one 09:34 so the only way Scots is my "native" tongue would be birth association 09:34 rebatela: if yours has a uni called MIT in it, it's not the same one 09:34 yeah. harvard etc 09:34 fair 09:34 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 09:34 I was 1 when I moved to Cambridge so no scottish accent unfortunately 09:34 i'm pretty sure it's named after your cambridge tho 09:34 yeah i think it is :P 09:35 * aoei lives in Hamburg now tho 09:35 nice 09:35 IIRC the US has one of those too somewhere 09:35 oh yeah.. i remember you saying that 09:35 thats a big city right? 09:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) polymorphed her first item, on T:22505 09:35 yea 09:35 <--- dumb american 09:35 its a city big enough that I can tell people on the internet that I live there 09:35 lol 09:35 without fear of being d0xxed 09:35 haha 09:36 then again I use my real name in /whois and on github and crap like that 09:36 so if someone wanted to come after me i'd be pretty fucked anyway i guess 09:37 you mean you're name isn't aoei??? god, i feel betrayed... at least i don't have to struggle to pronounce it anymore 09:37 your 09:37 see? i'm just learning the english 09:37 lmao XD 09:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3100 09:37 aoei: Github, eh? I tend to try and keep things _reasonably_ quiet there, but meh, github's all about networking. 09:38 arahael: yea but i talk about github stuff on IRC and I have my github in /whois too 09:38 but this is Freenode not some weird underground cracker IRC full of dodgy types 09:38 its probably fine 09:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:22523 09:39 rebatela: "aoei" is easy to pronounce. just hit your big toe on some kind of furniture 09:39 bhaak: XD 09:39 LMAO 09:39 aoei 09:39 loli: Message from LarienTelrunya at 2020-10-05 02:26 EDT: why the hell does that level flipping garbage make you think of slex, you insult me :P slex won't have that nonsense, thank you very much 09:39 hi loli 09:39 henlo 09:39 aoei: Eh, freenode gets their share of idiots, though. :( 09:39 i guess 09:40 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:40 the places i hang out seem chill tho, like the nethack stuff and open source thingies 09:41 oooo quest 09:41 i thought you were going to bed arahael :P 09:41 aoei: Oh, kyou're still watching! :D 09:41 aoei: So did I. :( 09:41 lmao 09:42 This is... Interesting, never seen inside the building. 09:42 neat 09:42 good luck 09:42 don't kill your quest buddies 09:42 Good tip. 09:43 Master Kaen isn't a monk!? 09:43 what is he actually 09:43 Some sort of elemental? 09:44 heh 09:44 i didn't remember that part 09:44 been ages since i played monk tbh 09:45 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:35320 09:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Hum Mal Neu), 3086 points, T:2662, killed by a rothe 09:47 Xorns leave corpses!? 09:50 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 09:51 yeah? 09:53 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Master Kaen, on T:57530 09:53 Oh, wow... Killing Master Kaen is... Trivial... 09:53 (No, I was very very lucky) 09:54 gg 09:54 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:57574 09:56 if you had actually been next to him? you would have gotten like one turn in 09:56 put the eyes on 09:56 it takes the towel slot 09:56 gratz arahael 09:56 you should learn detect monster spell though 09:57 Why detect monster? 09:57 oh snap. amateurhour is back 09:57 woot! nice arahael 09:57 now you got amateur and aoei. you are set 09:57 i guess i literally just missed the boss fight 09:57 did you get a robe from kaen? 09:57 did you put the eyes on? 09:58 you can wear the robe now if you wear eyes 09:58 amateurhour: Yes. 09:58 rebatela: Yes. 09:58 guessing it was just a single zap of wand of death, heh 09:58 rebatela: "if you wear eyes"? What's so special about the robe? 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh343] klintos (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:31227 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh343] klintos (Tou Hum Mal Neu) picked up the Bell of Opening, on T:31228 09:58 amateurhour: Multiple, they kept missing. :/ I think just 2, actually. 09:58 only for spellcasting if you know high level spells and cant cast... other than that, nothing 09:58 you'll have MR so you won't lose it to a polytrap again 09:58 heh 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1559 points, T:1297, killed by a dwarf, while sleeping 09:58 monks get the largest spellcasting bonus from robes of all roles iirc 09:59 yeah robe is nice for casting 09:59 the thing is rodney will steal the eyes... but that's way down the road 09:59 amateurhour: Yes, but the way you said it meant that I *can't* wear the robe unless I also wear the eyes? 09:59 cuz you still need MR 09:59 so you'd want CoMR instead of robe 09:59 oh no i just meant you don't need to wear cloak of mr anymore 09:59 Ah! Makes sense now. 09:59 until you wake rodney up 09:59 But I've enhanced it and all. :( 09:59 yeah keep it on 10:00 just saying 10:00 if you want to switch it out you can 10:00 you were fighting two demon whwatever the fucks with no mr.. that was nuts 10:00 what's your ac now? 10:01 you missed the whole thing amateurhour 10:01 scrollback is probably funny 10:01 yeah i also want to read up, not finished reading the scrollback 10:01 amateurhour: When I entered Gehennom, it was -23. 10:01 amateurhour: When I left, it was -23. 10:01 some crazy shit went down 10:01 amateurhour: It was not -23 in the interim. 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 357 points, T:479, killed by a crossbow bolt 10:02 they were like dead fighting asmodeus and surrounded by hezrous and a were creature got them 10:02 amazingly survived some seriously Fucked Up Shit(TM) 10:02 but dug down to juiblex level and now they have like 38 hp or something 10:02 -!- spleen has quit [Quit: Leaving] 10:02 no mr in the swamp 10:02 all of that before MR lmao 10:02 somehow survifed 10:02 No speed boots either. 10:02 survived 10:02 And I had to put all my armour back on in the midst of that crap. 10:03 rebatela: Skill. It was raw talent and skill. 10:03 ;) 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 100 points, T:194, killed by a fox 10:03 no doubt 10:03 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Pir Elf Mal Cha) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1555 10:03 (And a shitton of luck) 10:03 nah... you didn't panic though. that's huge 10:03 Oh, wow, the eyes are good. 10:03 panic leads to stupid 10:03 i used to always freak out 10:03 stupid least to YASD 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 55 points, T:64, killed by a bolt of fire 10:04 something somethign yoda voice 10:04 Woudl be nice to have better MC. 10:04 oh as far as why detect monster? because you can't easily put towel on and see the monsters with your telepathy 10:05 arahael: 9/10 times the sanctum has a protection cloak 10:05 aoei: That's only MC1, isn't it? 10:05 no 10:05 because you're wearing eyes.. if you can cast detect monster it solves that problem 10:05 protection is the ONLY MC3 cloak 10:05 that's the only problem with the eyes 10:05 as of 3.6 IIRC 10:05 aoei: Eh? Let me zap enlightenment... 10:05 Ah... Protection cloak. I'm wearing magic resistance. 10:05 and in vanilla i think it's a lvl 1 spell 10:06 yeah that's what i mean, the protection cloak 10:06 Woohoo! Random scroll of charging. 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:242 10:06 with CoMR you have MC1, with robe MC2? 10:06 don't remember for sure 10:06 But, like you go to a level and normally you would blind yourself with towel to see what is there, but with eyes you have to take off put on towel take off towel put back on... lots of turns. 10:06 better to learn that spell 10:06 loads of things used to give MC3 but they nerfed taht 10:06 because it was too easy to get MC3 10:06 rebatela: I still have warning, though. 10:07 just giving my 2cents... i only play monks 10:07 it's one of the weak points (not being able to quickly blind yoruself) 10:07 rebatela: just use skilled detmon or something 10:07 that's what i just told him 10:07 forget about telepathy 10:07 learn det monster 10:07 oh 10:07 haha 10:07 sorry, i wasn't paying attention properly 10:08 no worries. i get annoyed when people don't cast spells as monks tho 10:08 haha 10:08 that's why i play them! 10:08 i mainly play wizards or priests for casting 10:08 maybe i should try most caster heavy monk styles 10:08 starting to realise why =oSD is desirable 10:08 monks are better spellcsters than priests.. it annoys me that everyone thinks of priests as spellcasters 10:08 you'll burn more food if you cast a lot 10:08 food not normally a problemn 10:08 BUT 10:08 monks get basic in every school 10:09 no other role gets that (except wizard obviously) 10:09 :o 10:09 nice 10:09 aoei: Ring of slow digestion. 10:09 and the robe helps monks more than any role 10:09 my current evilhack priest is surprisingly good with spells, even without the robe 10:09 aoei: There was a reason I really wanted that ring. :) 10:09 arahael: yeah, that's why I said im starting to see why it's valuable 10:09 you can cast poly at 0% fail as a monk if you level up and max stats and robe and HoB and all that 10:09 i think finger of death at near 0 too 10:09 with staff of war I can even cast difficult attack spells as priest 10:09 maybe even 0 i forget 10:10 i've done pretty decently fast speedruns as elf wiz or elf priest 10:10 yeah but that's evil 10:10 i love those staffs 10:10 never tried monk speedrun 10:10 monk speedrun ascension when? 10:10 it's always bothered me that only wizards get reduced hunger spellcastig 10:10 even in vanilla you can cast all the spells a wizard can as a monk 10:10 priests can't do that 10:10 imo it should be that all roles can get it, but at one stage lower than wizard 10:11 i feel like monk gets the pass because you aren't wearing armor 10:11 and with their spellcasting stat, not int 10:11 it should be above the rest 10:11 the robe should help more etc... 10:11 So, what's next for me? I think go down and keep going down. 10:11 yeah hungerless casting is a bit of an unfair wiz advantage 10:11 monk pro tip, stay at weak sometimes to exercise wisdom for easy wisdom gains 10:11 it's a huge tradeoff to not wear armor, and you should get the spellcasting payoff 10:11 amateurhour: this 10:12 i used to get satiated and that will drain your wisdom 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 8214 points, T:5304, killed by a shattered potion 10:12 does being weak abuse con or something 10:12 or is it not even a balance issue 10:12 wisdom makes all the difference early game for monks if you really want to cast spells 10:13 no aoei it abuses str 10:13 Oh, wow, the eyes helps see items as well! 10:13 yeah the eyes are dope 10:13 yeah it's the best 10:13 amateurhour: ah okay 10:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 533 points, T:811, killed by a kobold zombie 10:13 there is a small caveat to know about the eyes though 10:13 two things are annoying 10:13 you can see around corners... lke in the castle you can see all the stuff in the store room from the perimeter 10:14 Yeah? 10:14 digging can be interrupted by monsters moving on another side of a wall, really annoying 10:14 yeah that's the downside 10:14 and if you can see spellcasters on the other side of a wall, the game assumes they can see you 10:14 this is the mobiluser eyes of the overworld suck argument... 10:14 yup 10:15 especially in vanilla 10:15 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Pir Elf Mal Cha) killed the Archipelago Ancient, on T:2579 10:15 but on the plus side, they're fashionable 10:15 and you don't get blinded 10:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:1389 10:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha) wished for "bag of holding", on T:40563 10:15 which is very useful on the ascension run 10:16 yeah. even in vanilla back in the day it blocked that archon stunning attack 10:16 or wahtever. gazing attack 10:16 "just learn the dig spell" :b 10:16 archons do some shit that the eyes block 10:17 tbh once you get to gehennom you'll have enough digging wands to not need a pickaxe really 10:17 so the digging thing is fine 10:17 don't even tell me they have weaponless going 10:17 i will jump off a bridge 10:17 arahael: do you have weaponless conduct still preserved 10:17 #conduct 10:17 I accidentally hit with a weapon about half an hour ago. 10:17 I know they definitely don't have vegan lol 10:17 sweet! 10:17 (Pickaxe) 10:17 j/k it's hard to do 10:18 of course it was a pickaxe 10:18 classic 10:18 i've lost weaponless a few times to taht 10:18 lol you monkers are making me wanna monk 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh4] Zizi (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 58774 points, T:21532, killed by a frost giant 10:18 But I wasn't honestly trying, just too much bonus not using weapons. 10:18 yeah.. welcome to the club :) 10:18 aoei: Monks are serously fun. 10:18 it's true 10:18 i have played them once or twice 10:19 if you have weaponless after the castle and you want the conducdt it's best to just ditch the pickaxe (or put in bag) and dig other ways 10:19 honestly I tend to throw away pick-axes way earlier than castle quite often 10:19 if i even bother carrying one around 10:19 bloody things weigh a tonnne 10:19 for sure 10:19 too heavy 10:19 You're right. Maybe I should chuck mine. 10:20 you already blew the conduct. keep it 10:20 j/k 10:20 occasionally I play barb or valk with mattock as main weapon 10:20 I regard wands of dig as esc items, though. 10:20 no good ranged options when just starting as monk 10:20 then the weight is acceptable because NICE DAMAGE 10:20 rebatela: Heh, but it is _heavy_. 10:20 I find that difficult 10:20 mobileusers: boulders 10:20 vanilla? ;-) 10:20 rebatela: for a giant monk maybe XD 10:20 of course not vanilla..i'm just describing my life 10:20 omg giant monk sounds FUCKING COOL 10:21 i guess i have to start playing Evil more 10:21 giant monk is even worse than monk :b 10:21 yeah giant monk is super fun... you can't wear a robe but they have those staffs and lets you cast if that's your thing 10:21 haha 10:21 YOU CAN THROW BOULDERS AND DO MARTIAL ARTS AS A GIANT THO MOBE 10:22 imagine punching osmeone in the face as a giant 10:22 you'll fuck them up 10:22 shame every giant monk's ascension kit looks the bloody same :P 10:22 can't wear a robe, can't wear t-shirt mumble mumble 10:22 or body armor 10:22 amateurhour: amulet of MR and otherwise nekkid? 10:22 that's what makes it fun 10:22 what IS a giant monk asc kit 10:22 even 10:22 dragonbane 10:23 helm of speed? 10:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:41571 10:23 weaponless giant monk* 10:23 Hmm, the eyes seem to use food, do they? 10:23 well it's a lot easier as neutral or chaotic... i'm trying to do as lawful. it's more challenign because there are no good lawful artifacts 10:23 they don't arahael 10:23 eyes will eat all your food. be careful 10:23 aoei dragonbane are gloves in evilhack 10:23 Hmm, something's burning my food. :/ My ring of slow digestion should be better. 10:23 rebatela: Haha. :) 10:23 mobileuser: oooooh 10:23 i'm going to start giving bogus advice now that amateur and aoei are here 10:24 mobileuser: are they reflecting gloves? 10:24 yes 10:24 DOPE 10:24 and acid res 10:24 and you can hit black dragons 10:24 awesome 10:24 yeah dragonbane is da bomb 10:24 i want it 10:25 i want giant monk and these gloves 10:25 and a bobble hat to protect me from Z 10:25 to learn giant I will try barbarian giant first 10:25 pffff 10:25 wuss 10:25 giant samurai when? 10:26 you should play aoei.. i've only ascended monks. 2 humans and 2 GIANTS 10:26 weaponless vegan reflectionless giant monk ascension WHEN? 10:26 reflectionless lol gl with black dragons 10:26 j/k :P 10:26 MRless giant monk Evil speedrun WHEN? 10:26 and giants can ride wooly mammoths... 10:26 rebatela: :o 10:26 neato 10:26 bareback? 10:26 no saddle 10:26 aoei: how's your splicehack game going? 10:27 nice 10:27 no i mean you need a saddle 10:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:2595 10:27 amateurhour: not touched it since you last asked me that 10:27 :) 10:27 but the things that are riding them are saddled. there are saddles to be had 10:27 I think I have a splicehack run that's further tbh :P 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1270 points, T:1897, killed by a human mummy, while praying 10:27 amateurhour: should we make a new challenge 10:27 saddles are super rare in vanilla 10:27 rebatela: regular saddles shouldn't fit on wooly mammoths tho :< 10:27 but in evilhack i think most roles can ride 10:27 there's no point aoei as you seem to never be touching splicehack ever again :P 10:27 amateurhour: I totally will tho 10:28 how are you meant to beat mobileuser by not playing 10:28 like a human monk in evilhack with a saddle can mount a horse and train riding to basic 10:28 can't do that in vanilla 10:28 amateurhour: well mobe already won 10:28 is it some buddhist principle or something 10:28 but we can see how many times he ascends before I do 10:28 'the only way to win is to not play' something like that 10:28 :D 10:28 amateurhour: that'd be very zen but no 10:28 ascending giant evilhack monk is also allowed to beat me aoei 10:28 I just have been distracted by various other life things 10:28 including watching arahael play monk <.< 10:28 and chatting to you folks about silly stuff 10:28 Haha. :) 10:28 oh wait did mobileuser ascend the illithid priest?! 10:28 yeah.. but they were being ridden by frost giants and you kill the frost giant, tame the wooly, heal it, reapply saddle if needed, mount it 10:28 amateurhour: yeah 10:29 but yeah you're right i guess it's just a regular saddles 10:29 _this_ time I remembered to put the ring of lev on. 10:29 GRATZ MOBILEUSER 10:29 rebatela: stretchy saddles? 10:29 but woolys are the only thing giants can ride 10:29 sure 10:29 lol 10:29 amateurhour: i wasn't even home most of the day yesterday 10:29 altho i forget exactly when mobe ascended 10:29 maybe it was already ages 10:29 time flies by 10:30 another day another mobe Evil ascension 10:30 he's churning them out XD 10:30 it's cool though once you train to basic and then you can pick stuff up off the ground... as a giant monk riding a wooly mammoth with an amulet of flying so you are flying? it is the best 10:30 illithid priest update: reached first level of gehennom 10:30 oh 10:30 mobileuser: wait which one did you ascend then 10:30 wizard 10:30 ahhhh 10:30 okay 10:30 damn now I do actually wanna play 10:30 !rng Evil Giant Monk | Splice Barb 10:30 aoei: Evil Giant Monk 10:31 okay then Beholder 10:31 aoei, you know the story of my first evilhack monk ascension, right? 10:31 no 10:31 I dont think so 10:31 lol 10:32 lol 10:32 is it a good story? 10:32 did you play it like a valkyrie? 10:32 mobileuser doesn't like magic 10:32 polyself to vampire mage to get rid of all the monk restriction ;-) 10:32 lol 10:32 nice 10:32 angery 10:32 did you upset amateurhour 10:32 very much 10:33 :D 10:33 hi5 10:33 the last few games i've watched you go up, you had these crazy vampire mage pets 10:33 like lvl 30 casting ToD at everything... that's the way to be 10:33 yeah love those 10:33 i was doing it with titans for awhile 10:33 but i don't have the patience. and titans are hard to get 10:33 proud of the game where I managed to ascend with them 10:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 374 points, T:1024, killed by a brown mold 10:34 aoei: martial arts in evilhack is super fun. you get an extra turn when you reach grand mastwer 10:35 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Pir Elf Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:3934 10:35 sometimes you make a turn and like a dwarf in the mines will be swinging a pickaxe at you and you will just destroy it with your hit 10:35 (sucks if you wanted the pickaxe) 10:36 but in general it works out, and you get badass messages 10:36 how's your dnh monk going rebatela? 10:37 i'm not in a place to be thinking about it... we have been coaching all night 10:37 ah you must be tired after that 10:37 rebatela: So sorry! :D 10:37 lol totally joking. it was fun to watch tho 10:38 i'm kidding. you did all that yourself. 10:38 i kept thinking you were going to die 10:38 sweet rebatela 10:38 rebatela: So did I. 10:39 hm 10:39 I have an Evil Infidel save already 10:39 i guess I should play that a bit 10:39 and see if I die or not 10:39 QUIT 10:39 why mobe D: 10:39 I want to see you play giant monk! 10:39 Tossing the pick-axe. :( It's indeed simply too heavy. 10:39 mobileuser: ok how about I play giant monk on US hardfought? 10:40 that's acceptable ;-) 10:40 latency seems ok 10:40 was ab it slow to hfa 10:40 heh, starting AC is nice 10:40 arahael: you'll find lots of digging wands 10:41 rebatela: I've noticed. 10:41 how do you start with AC 0 aoei?? 10:41 mobileuser: giant probably has low base AC 10:41 next time ditch it before you break the conduct. but it's hard. that's what makes it hard. I always play weaponless and i never get the conduct (because of pickaxe) 10:42 mobileuser: naked AC 6 10:42 just one accidental hit.. it's annoying 10:42 I see.. 10:42 and start with +1 high boots, +2 gloves 10:42 that's 3 points of AC per armour piece 10:42 mobileuser: are you reconsidering giant monk? :D 10:42 better start than most roles! 10:42 I seem to remember that digging wands used to be much better, though. 10:42 heh, I found jumping boots 10:42 those may come in handy 10:43 I wanna do giant barb for the ring of p'hul 10:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha) killed the Dark One, on T:43924 10:43 natural intrinsic warning will be nice for avoiding those horrid zombies too... 10:43 rebatela: would i be nuts to attempt the mines early on? 10:43 Ok, ok, I really want free-action now. Lots of shades. 10:43 most of my evilhack games went horribly wrong if i tried to do that... 10:43 arahael: yes, you need that or MC3 for Orcus' level really 10:44 aoei: no 10:44 rebatela: no, i wouldn't be nuts? 10:44 or no, don't go there? 10:44 not ntus 10:44 okay 10:44 but i wanna be careful, especially if the levels are dark... 10:44 get helmet, shoes 10:45 i have shoes already 10:45 oh yeah 10:45 but a hat would be good 10:45 those high boots? you're a giant? 10:45 those are solid for a bit 10:45 yeah i'm playing giant monk as instructed 10:45 rule of thumb: if you can survive piranhas you are fine 10:46 * aoei wonders whether she should play atheist vegan giant monk 10:46 piranhas are buffed in vanilla, when evilhack gets those the mines might be nearly unplayable 10:46 will my god even do anything nice for me? 10:46 as instructed? that's all i know how to do ... i wouldn't instrucdt anyone to follow me in nh or irl lol 10:46 by me 10:46 well 10:46 by beholder, really 10:46 yeah evilhack encourages altar camping, you get loads of useful things 10:46 ah true 10:46 amateurhour: hrm 10:47 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Baalzebub, on T:59933 10:47 makes the conduct all the more tempting 10:47 giants are a challenge beause of the whole mr/reflection balance... play a human monk 10:47 Kill one major demon, you can kill them all. 10:47 tho i probably will loooose 10:47 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 26472 points, T:5811, petrified by a chickatrice 10:47 chaotic.. you can wish for that cool ring 10:47 you can bribe some of them arahael 10:47 which cool ring? 10:47 amateurhour: They'd have to see me. 10:47 P'HUL 10:47 i forget what it's called but chaotic got the love with the artifact ring 10:47 what's a P'HUL when it's at home? 10:47 yeah ^^ 10:47 I suck at artifact wishes 10:48 it's like a ring of freea ction and magic resistance and life saving and reflection 10:48 it's WHAT 10:48 not really 10:48 that seems OP 10:48 oh 10:48 "The Ring of P'hul is a ring of free action, confers magic resistance when worn and disease resistance when carried." 10:48 XD 10:48 pretty close... 10:48 hey MR and free action is pretty sweet tho 10:48 and disease thing 10:48 to boot 10:48 wow 10:48 that's lovely 10:48 i want that ring for sure 10:49 does it come with someone attached when i wish for it? 10:49 not always 10:49 hah 10:49 chance of random player mon? 10:49 if we're comparing monks across variants then dnh/ndnh monk has gotta be the best 10:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 444 points, T:1135, killed by a hobbit 10:49 but here's the thing about evilhack... THere aren't a ton of artifacts like that or antyhign... It's basically like vanilla. Like, that's not a normal artifact and there aren't a zillionof them 10:49 amateurhour: yeah but dnh is bullshit 10:50 too many dumb quests you have to do 10:50 you should play a human monk when you die... 10:50 dnh is not bs what are you on about 10:50 j/k 10:50 amateurhour: :P 10:50 what is the variant that introduced monks originally? 10:50 giants are tough tho... 10:50 Bah, now I'm no-longer intrinsically fast. :( 10:50 slash i think 10:50 i just cba to do the huge number of quests 10:50 or slashem 10:50 there's 9 alignment keys, you need 3 so just get the fastest 3 if you care about that 10:50 Can I get the intrinsic back? 10:50 amateurhour: idk still seems like effort 10:50 yes arahael 10:50 it's not effort 10:50 mobileuser: How? :) 10:51 zap wand of speed at self 10:51 I know you're just trolling but just in case anyone else thinks it's serious 10:51 or eat QM 10:51 Oh(!) 10:51 the dnh alignment quests are exceptionally fun 10:51 when nethack took monk from slash it did it half-assed... weak quest, no techniques. it is really horrible 10:51 they just copied the priest quest except no loot 10:51 and an infitiely harder nemesis 10:51 Master Kaen was *trivial* to kill. 10:52 yeah but we told you how to do it 10:52 mobileuser: are you in fact watching 10:52 he would have killed you in ONE turn 10:52 jk i obvs dont actually care about that <.< 10:52 if you didn't have a boulder fort 10:52 kill that shopkeeper aoei! 10:52 mobileuser: xP 10:52 rebatela: Fair point. 10:52 kaen is the only good thing about the monk quest 10:52 hm what kind of potions are in health food shops again 10:52 master kaen is trivial if you have experience/foreknowledge to boulder fort and have a freaking wand of death lmao 10:52 healing, juice, extra healing? 10:52 you don't have free action.. you would not have even gotten a turn in 10:53 I think so aoei 10:53 I think I'm going to wish for free action - wrest my last wish and all. 10:53 ahhhhh man 10:53 it's a good wish 10:53 good choice for a wish 10:54 of course after you wish for it you will find it 10:54 free-actionless conduct when? 10:54 let's call it fractionless 10:54 spellbook of polymorph... at some point you'll get a robe and be able to cast the spell and then and then 100k turns later. you will be kicking ass 10:55 you have markers? 10:55 i think i've ascended without free action on occasion 10:55 it's not as horrible if you have MC3 10:55 oh i definitely have 10:55 ye so recognise as a conduct, e z 10:55 it's just dumb because you can get hit with a potion of paraylysis randomly on astral and it's game over 10:55 trophy in tnnt 10:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed +2 fixed ring of free action", on T:60041 10:55 was that the wrest-wish? 10:56 i'd guess half my ascensions i probably wasnt wearing it 10:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:3642 10:56 good luck with the enchantment. did you get it? 10:56 lol +2 10:56 :D 10:56 cute 10:57 Wow, it saved me. 10:57 i'd bet most of my ascensions i wasn't wearing free action. You should have wished for someting fun! 10:57 Already. :D 10:57 * rebatela gives conflicting advice 10:57 rebatela: You're like a cursed oracle. :) 10:58 shame the castle wand only was (0:1) 10:58 like i said, you're aoei's problem now 10:58 i am responsible for nothing and no one 10:58 im also playing Evilhack now :P 10:58 bold play aoei, summoning killer bees so early 10:58 and i just summoned 3 bees by kicking trees 10:58 mobileuser: yeah i forgot that can happen 10:59 rebatela: Haha. ) 10:59 I wanted eucalyptus 10:59 :) 10:59 I think I can escape tho 10:59 if needs bee XD XD XD HA HA HA 10:59 i can also one-hit them apparently 10:59 not bad 10:59 aoei: mobileuser hasn't ascended a giant... 11:00 and I got poison resist by killing the second bee XD 11:00 sweet 11:00 poison res at XP 2 already?? 11:00 I'm XL 4 now mobe 11:00 I got PR at XL 3 11:00 ah 11:00 pretty much each bee gave me a level 11:00 well, i think there were 4 bees total 11:00 bold play 11:00 but i gained 3 levels 11:00 mobileuser: its not bold if you don't know the risks XD 11:01 then it's just ignorance followed by OSHI- 11:01 lol 11:01 and I got lucky 11:01 im digging this giant monk so far though... 11:01 mobileuser: should I kick the tree again? 11:01 How many freaking death rays does Orcus have!? 11:01 early game (or hell, in general) avoid the zombies 11:01 just don't even be next to them 11:01 have you thrown boulders yet aoei? 11:01 rebatela: yeah I know I learned it the hard way 11:02 mobileuser: not found any yet 11:02 and pick up every boulder you see 11:02 rebatela: gotcha 11:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:1284 11:03 hothraxxa is very good at evilhack... k2 . mobileuser (obviously) . i learn by watching them play... 11:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:11437 11:04 fair 11:04 I don't watch much but I listen to some of the convos that go on 11:04 enemirie keeps trying infidel 11:04 so i pick up bits and pieces occasionally 11:04 elenmirie is very good at Evilhack too 11:04 so you will find her bones. but she's really really good too 11:05 haha we both typed it at same time 11:05 yeah they are all waaaay better than me 11:05 i usually play bonesless 11:05 oh f that 11:05 but im not sure if i have it enabled or disabled on Evil 11:05 bones ruin the game they suck 11:05 ok 11:05 so turn them off 11:06 that's what I normally do :P 11:06 Touch of death! 11:06 you won't really find any anyway 11:06 I think I need to get rid of Orcus asap. 11:06 but you will find elenmieries because she keeps trying infidel 11:06 lots of fake amuelts 11:06 rebatela: lol 11:06 bouncing around in bones 11:06 i wont find hers on this server tho 11:06 im playing on the US one because I also have an infidel saved on EU 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "ereth", on T:4490 11:09 Now, I think I'm truely dead. 11:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2261 11:10 arahael :-( 11:10 what happened? 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:4670 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:4670 11:10 Orcus, I didn't kill him, figurd he was just another one of the demons. 11:11 oh boy 11:11 You have MR don't you 11:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 2666 points, T:2451, killed by a bolt of fire 11:11 one of the demons. but. he . but you. but . what the . we told you. 11:11 rebatela: Heh... I should get some sleep. I managed to run. 11:11 Straight down, infact. 11:11 mobileuser: Yes. 11:12 you escaped? 11:12 whew 11:12 still alive is still alive arahael 11:12 you might yet make it 11:12 mobileuser: But he summoned demorgan, uses touch of death, and summoned two minotaurs... 11:12 I vanilla I search for a cockatrice and the levelport to orcus with the corpse 11:12 get some sleep, tackle it in the morning 11:12 *then 11:12 apparently i have two viewers rn on twitch lol 11:12 go to bed 11:12 I had to use a blessed unicorn horn *four turns in a row*. 11:13 And drain level of some sort, I'm now Xp 12. 11:13 If he summoned Demo you are lucky to have escaped at all 11:13 he summoned WHAT 11:13 ohhh shit 11:13 yeah definitely sleep 11:14 you need the "rubber duck" 11:14 you might be able to deal with Demogorgon with a lot of help from the oldies in the channel but Demo is awful 11:14 i've luckily never in 70+ ascensions had to face Demogorgon 11:14 I'm _fairly certain_ it was demo. 11:14 (Another sign I need to sleep) 11:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law), 22839 points, T:4039, killed by a gargoyle zombie 11:15 wow that thing demolished me lol 11:15 :< 11:15 mobileuser: Rubber duck? 11:15 RIP 11:15 walk round corner -> dead 11:15 F 11:15 rubber duck = cockatrice corpse 11:15 or chickatrice 11:15 footrice 11:15 Ah, I've avoided using that in this game. 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 560 points, T:2648, killed by a giant bat 11:16 lol demogorgon for furthest run you've ever had 11:16 that's a yikes 11:17 that's the risk if you don't kill orcus quickly... 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5104 11:17 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4960 11:17 I'm going to save this, but can I actually go back and check to see if it's actually demorgon? 11:17 Like, in some sort of playback? 11:17 yes 11:17 yes 11:17 your ttyrecs 11:17 lol 11:17 lol 11:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 143 points, T:595, killed by a dwarf 11:17 https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/ttyrec/ 11:18 recordings of your games located here 11:18 your ttyrecs 11:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:5022 11:18 you need the "rubber duck" 11:19 this is turning into a red dwarf episode :b 11:19 Hmm, how do I play a ttyrec? 11:20 d: edosipe frawd der a otni gninrut si siht 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 382 points, T:620, killed by a werejackal 11:20 using a ttyrec player, there's a few options 11:20 what os are you on? 11:20 arahael: One program is Simon Tatham's "ipbt" 11:20 I'm on macos. 11:20 I think there's an even chance it builds there 11:21 I have a nixos box though... Let me see if that's got ipbt 11:21 Nope. 11:22 It's trivial to build on unix 11:22 on windows I use jettyplay, would probably work on macos too? 11:22 I'll deal with it another day, i should sleep. 11:22 ipbt and jettyplay are basically *the* two alternatives right? 11:22 aoei: cat it to the terminal 11:22 I use termplay: http://angband.pl/termrec.html 11:23 Pinkbeast: aha, but at what speed will that happen? 11:23 amateurhour: how long roughly can you stay at weak before you have to worry about advancing to fainting? 11:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 3072 points, T:5658, killed by a hill orc called Ogothai of Ogunaioth 11:24 iunno 11:24 heh i guess i can look up the nutrition mechs 11:24 or just not stay weak for too long for the wis gains 11:24 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 11:24 just a short time, few turns 11:25 Looks like nixos has termplay. 11:25 ok 50 turns is too long i think 11:25 i just fainted lol 11:25 :s 11:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 254 points, T:755, killed by an invisible kobold lord 11:26 Heh... amateurhour, looks like there's several applicatiosn called termplay! :D 11:26 yeah I guess so 11:26 check for 'termrec' perhaps 11:26 oooo coaligned altar 11:26 i did say i might try for atheist buuuuuut 11:27 amateurhour: I'll figure it out later. :) 11:27 G'night everyone! 11:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:6219 11:27 sleep well arahael 11:27 Been a wild, wild weekend. 11:27 night arahael ! 11:27 see ya! 11:27 Don't know when I next get a chance... But lets see! 11:27 read up on the classic demogorgon spoilers before you try take them on 11:27 :P 11:27 almost feel like I've missed out, never having Demo appear in my game 11:28 ... almost 11:28 amateurhour: I should confirm it was actually him - but he definitely brought in some of his buddies. 11:28 little bit outdated but still worth reading: http://www.steelypips.org/nethack/demogorgon_faq.html 11:28 aoei: keep playing evil, you will run into him 11:28 rebatela: kay, sounds great :s 11:28 you've never had orcus gate him in ? 11:28 ring of free action and wielded paralysis pot is a good tactic tho 11:28 rebatela: I don't think so... 11:28 Yeah, I think free action *absolutely* saved me. 11:29 i've gone up the stairs and i feel like i don't even get a turn and they are both there 11:29 whew 11:29 (in vanilla) 11:29 rebatela: either you're really unlucky or I'm really lucky 11:29 I just one-hit a wererat I found in a corridor without even checking what it was 11:29 well, in evilhack you have no choice. he's there... lol 11:29 rebatela: yeah indeed, some other variant stoo right? 11:30 It was weird applying the blessed unicorn horn, though, and "Nothing happens". 11:30 Have to keep applying it. 11:30 without any cloak i have a high risk of contracting lycanthropy 11:30 "nothing seems to happen" 11:30 glad the wererat didn't get a hit in 11:30 one-shot! 11:31 amateurhour: Oh my freaking goodness. That steelypips page is illuminating. Damn. 11:31 whew, killed the rabid dog too 11:31 XL5 already 11:31 hope it sufficiently scares you to take him seriously :^) 11:31 easyhack 11:31 unfortunately I've gained several XL quite fast without training Wis much 11:31 so my Pw is shit 11:31 21(21) lol 11:32 you might just wanna give up on spellcasting honestly 11:32 why? 11:32 i thought monks were good at that 11:32 i am also a giant 11:32 monks get a huge bonus from robes 11:32 which giants can't wear 11:32 not very high Int or Wiz 11:32 oh yeah also that 11:32 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 11:33 so you have to rely on staves that are in evilhack instead 11:33 but getting those is an altar-camping affair 11:33 ah mine entrance 11:33 and really boring oh my days 11:33 delet altar scumming 11:33 amateurhour: hrm yeah i hate altar camping 11:33 lol! oh my days indeed 11:33 not heard that in a while :D 11:34 "You stand before a mine entrance, what do you do?" 11:34 mobileuser: I go take a shi- I mean i go for short break 11:34 ok ;-) 11:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7615 11:35 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 11:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 8943 points, T:7788, killed by a werewolf 11:37 probably will check out hte mines tho 11:37 just wanna be reeeeall careful if its dark... 11:38 lol if experience has taught me anything it's that aoei will enter the mines and never leave :^) 11:38 not until every variant has a character in them 11:38 :^) 11:39 -!- bugsniper_ has joined #hardfought 11:39 rebatela I think you were confusing me with microlance earlier (the salamander death) 11:40 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 11:40 oh he left 11:42 amateurhour: pfff, brr, pshaw, naaah 11:42 no way 11:42 i have one save in the castle I haven't touched in weeks too :^) 11:42 altho that's not in a variant (unless you go by Amy's definition of variant) 11:43 alright mines time 11:43 at least until like 5 to 11:43 cuz i have a thing 11:44 oh wait i have to download zoom for that thing 11:44 maybe i should just resume game later 11:44 ill enter the mines first to save there 11:44 this will please amateurhour, I think 11:44 dark mines! 11:44 D: 11:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:41211 11:46 mobe: my only light source is one light scroll :/ 11:46 and I don't have intrinsic warning yet either 11:47 ok, maybe find a light source first :-) 11:47 kay 11:47 kill the oracle, then go back! 11:47 mobileuser: wait does she have a 11:47 ohhhh 11:47 yeah 11:48 not a light source, but a warning source 11:48 yup 11:48 but 11:48 she's the Oracle 11:48 i like her 11:48 what xlvl are you 11:48 aww... 11:48 ah XL 7 warning 11:48 don't kill the oracle! 11:49 ah yeah 11:49 only need to gain two levels 11:50 i knew monks get it i forgot when 11:50 just kill like 2 piranhas 11:50 kill that gas spore :b 11:50 yeah i can zap magic missile at the gas spore 11:50 i forgot i found that wand 11:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:4735 11:52 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 11:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 1678 points, T:5174, killed by an Uruk-hai 11:58 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:755 12:00 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 2099 points, T:985, killed by a crow 12:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 270 points, T:969, killed by a giant rat 12:06 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 188 points, T:732, killed by a giant mimic 12:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:33069 12:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4004 12:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 450 points, T:1239, killed by a wererat 12:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4655 12:22 -!- eady has joined #hardfought 12:23 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu) received Mjollnir from Odin, on T:12242 12:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 498 points, T:2137, killed by a large kobold 12:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 517 points, T:1449, killed by a newt, while frozen by a monster's gaze 12:32 -!- mackeyth has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 12:35 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:20913 12:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2231 12:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 2538 points, T:1502, killed by a gas spore's explosion 12:46 -!- Menchers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 12:46 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 12:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 11798 points, T:7038, killed by a bolt of cold 12:47 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3180 12:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:3789 12:56 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 18 points, T:640, slipped while mounting a saddled baby white dragon 12:58 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fireproof +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:44187 12:59 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:59 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:4690 13:00 what to wish for in xnethack if one wants nice armor? 13:01 I think that version still has dragon scale mail but I could be wrong 13:01 so unless you're a monk silver dragon scale mail or gray dragon scale mail perhaps? 13:01 is that not related to the object mateirals change? 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2538 points, T:4751, killed by a hill orc 13:02 "Although xNetHack implements object materials, the material of a wished-for item cannot be specified outside of wizard mode. An item received by wishing always has its base material. 13:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 81 points, T:89, killed by a fox 13:02 how does that related to SDSM/GDSM? 13:02 well wasn't sure if "dragon scale mail" counts as an object material 13:03 It doesn't 13:03 object materials are shit like gold, plastic, obsidian, etc. 13:03 there's (naturally) a wiki article covering that distinction 13:04 I don't think DSM can even have object properties tbh 13:04 so I should wish for a "+ 3 rustproof fixed silver dragon scale mail" 13:04 don't think fixed makes sense for DSM either, but doesn't hurt to add it 13:04 not sure if a space before the 3 is bad or not, idk how the parser works 13:05 time to wish 13:05 I hope this doesn't negate my wish 13:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:14080 13:06 nice 13:06 huh only a 2 ac imporevmeent 13:06 but resistances a plently I bet 13:06 sadly it's +0 13:06 well it has reflection 13:06 and is light 13:07 time to do my quest once I have time to play 13:07 watch out for the drawbridges and lava 13:07 wait I should probably train up sabers first 13:07 any advice on how to handle that? 13:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 13:07 handle what 13:07 just don't get got by lava basically 13:08 equip sword, hit bad guy with pointy end :D 13:08 that is how you train saber 13:08 don't walk in the lava, levitate/fly if you're able to and worried about fatfingering the keyboard 13:08 LarienTelrunya: I'm actally getting to see a quest soon... I've only ever seen it once in slex 13:08 lol hitting with the pointy end is bad advice for a sabre isn't it? 13:09 wait the valkyire can only get basic in sabers 13:09 yeah but silver sabre is imba 13:10 so even with basic it's still insane? 13:10 compared to the other two artifacts I have? 13:10 what artifacts do you have? 13:10 but regardless it's a good offhand weapon 13:10 I mean it's Gray, Gray is just default awesome 13:10 excalibur and the mjollnir 13:10 (assuming that's your sabre) 13:11 yes it's still a really good offhand weapon 13:11 Also +2 is the one you're more likely to get by wishing but +3 is worth trying for 13:11 far as specifying the wish fixed isn't necessary but ultimately fine to use 13:11 it gave me +0 :(. so I should be dual wielding? 13:12 that's just normal enchantment odds 13:12 yeah\ 13:12 twoweapon ftw 13:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:57127 13:12 default is +0, and you have a (desired enchantment/5) chance to fail when wishing for positive enchantment 13:12 Your silver saber named Grayswandir resists being held second to another 13:13 i.e. +3 has a 60% chance to not go through, +2 is 40%, 13:13 etc. 13:13 also that's normal 13:13 so literally force it 13:13 at least in vanilla, you can't offhand artifacts 13:13 loli: if you were still playing slex, you could still twoweapon artifacts :P 13:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha), 655666 points, T:57373, killed by Kary, the Fiend of Fire 13:13 well how is it a good offhand weapon 13:13 if you can't offhand artifacts? 13:13 the >silver sabre< is a good offhand weapon 13:13 ahh I see 13:14 you didn't clarify your sabre was Gray :B 13:14 yes it is gray 13:14 being unable to offhand artifact weapons suuuuuuuucks (and yeah I know, being able to do so means dual-wielding is even more powerful than it already is, but still :P ) 13:14 re: the wish thing, "fixed" for DSM works since I *think* that occupies the same bit as "rustproof" for checks? 13:14 the mjollnir in this variant is 2 handed 13:14 and dragon scale mail isn't rustable to begin with 13:17 man I'm still not a 13:17 " Woman-at-arms will you be able to defeat Lord Surtur." yet 13:17 good luck grinding your char up to XL14! it'll take ages 13:18 btw LarienTelrunya I don't think I've ever gotten this far in slex, it's much easier once knowing how to get artifacts and blessing things works 13:18 does the holy water trick work in slex? 13:18 "holy water trick"? 13:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 238 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:35383 13:18 pray on an aligned alter for a 100% chance at holy water 13:19 note the 100% 13:19 well uh yeah, of course that works if it's otherwise safe to pray 13:19 well knowing you... you could have removed it 13:19 much like alters disappearing when you drop too much stuff on them 13:19 what you can't do in slex is to easily make more holy water by dipping one into a hundred uncursed potions of water 13:20 :( 13:22 [hdf-us] [nh343] klintos (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had a broadsword named Dragonbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:33544 13:22 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:15005 13:23 oh I got it 13:24 sadly I forgot where i left my pet 13:26 lol wait do you have grayswandir 13:26 yes arahael 13:26 amateurhour: 13:26 forget about the other artifacts just use that 13:26 lmao 13:26 gotcha 13:27 I'm assuming this run is quite good, I have a good artifact weapon, some armor, a few holy waters stashed away... so all I need is BoH some speed boots and a good cape? 13:27 besides enchanting everything to hell and back? 13:27 yeah 13:28 you're a valk, the quest artifact is great 13:28 cloak of MR would be your best cloak at this point probs 13:29 what is my quest artifact 13:29 the orb of fate 13:30 oh god half damage!? 13:30 yeah lmao 13:30 wtf 13:30 that's too good 13:30 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Mon Hum Mal Law), 157950 points, T:23685, decapitated by a shambling horror 13:30 and I can level tp to my stash? 13:30 yeah lol 13:30 who needs bag of holding if you can just tp to a stash 13:31 also works as a crystal ball so less gold detection scrolls needed 13:31 crystal ball? 13:33 lets you find things on the floor such as magic portals 13:34 that's cool 13:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Thoth Amon, on T:45337 13:34 ouch 13:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:45340 13:34 fuck 13:35 potion of gain level will heal me right? 13:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:35673 13:35 praying is also op 13:36 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 13:37 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3755 13:37 I forgot the E word is actually really good 13:38 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law) was given Godhands, on T:5897 13:41 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 13:44 I just re-learned yesterday that 2% of elvenkings generate with a crystal ball 13:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:16910 13:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 217 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:36406 13:45 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) attained the rank of Page of Wings, on T:4894 13:47 Yeah, real easy to miss that 13:47 Also yeah, E word is still solid in a pinch, just not the absolute gamebreaker it used to be 13:49 I need to learn to put my potions away... they all went away in some fire attacks 13:52 always bag stuff when not in use is the habit I've learned 13:52 even a basic sack works 13:59 huh lava is on all sides of the etnrace 13:59 I see why I need water walking 14:00 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:01 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 412 points, T:1691, killed by a giant mosquito 14:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] Zindorsky (Bar Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:46263 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:37643 14:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:37644 14:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed scroll of genocide", on T:70569 14:06 all sides of what entrance? 14:07 the final level of the quest 14:07 if you're doing the quest there's drawbridges you can use 14:07 thought so 14:07 where are those? 14:07 https://puu.sh/GzMnA/5e599e5079.png 14:07 top and bottom of 14:07 oh, dicks. 14:07 see what I mean? 14:08 that is some seriously unfortunate level gen :/ 14:08 do I need to come back with a way to levitate? :( 14:08 yeah at that point you need either levitation or fireproofed water walking boots 14:08 (and even then you'll want a means to protect your inventory) 14:08 loli: Scroll of earth. 14:08 or that 14:08 scrolls of earth can save me here? 14:08 interesting 14:08 I can actually do that 14:08 well yeah 14:09 pushing boulders into lava/water/etc. fills the square 14:09 or it can 14:09 Odds are very good that reading a non-cursed scroll of earth would create a land bridge between you and the land. 14:09 ^ 14:09 sometimes it'll sink without a trace though 14:09 There are at least five tiles that, if the boulder fills the lava, will mean you can get across. 14:09 6 14:09 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:12858 14:09 I can't tell about the ones on the north edge. 14:09 Oh, wait. 14:10 YOu're right, northwest works. 14:10 So at least six. 14:10 3 on the left, the bottom ones as well and the one directly east of him 14:10 Very good odds. 14:10 *them 14:10 ye, very 14:10 blessed is preferable so you can keep the stairs unblocked 14:10 Blessed would be ideal, yes. 14:10 will do! next time I have some time, I'll grab the two from upstairs bless them 14:11 to make more holy water just dip a stack of water into it right? 14:11 yeah, dip a stack of uncursed water 14:11 there IS another way though 14:11 Does that still work in the latest versions? I'm not fully up to date, but I thought they nerfed stack alchemy somehow. 14:12 they did but not for blessing stuff 14:12 AH, ok. 14:12 that's totally different 14:12 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 14:12 in addition to that method, you can also use a co-aligned altar 14:13 I have one alter in mine town that is of my same alignment 14:13 Sure, there's also the blessed scroll of remove curse method. 14:13 ^ 14:13 this isn't a thing you *have* to do just for the record 14:13 The usual method to get your _first_ holy water, if you don't just happen to find some, is to drop a bunch of uncursed water on a co-aligned altar and #pray 14:13 I have one 14:13 so much as letting you know there's another method 14:13 But once you have some, if you don't run out, you can just dip stacks of uncursed water to renew. 14:14 keep in mind it has to be safe for you to pray, and you have to be standing on the altar 14:14 blessed remove curse, can make holy water? 14:14 if read while confused it'll randomly bless or curse each item in your inventory 14:14 blessed remove curse randomly blesses and curses items in your inventory. If you are holding a bunch of separate #named stacks of uncursed water, you tend to get both holy and unholy water. 14:14 ^ 14:14 Oh, right, forgot you have to be confused. 14:14 Then you BUC check and see what stacks 14:15 it's p. handy if you need both, unholy water comes in pretty solid 14:15 This is the usual method for making unholy water, if you don't happen to find any. 14:15 it's safe than water praying on another god's altar to be sure :B 14:16 Of course, you _can_ go the whole game without unholy water. But it has some uses. 14:16 cursed items are designed to be inconvenient compared to noncursed but they're still plenty useful with a bit of lateral thinking 14:17 at least there is no heavy curse in the base game 14:17 you've never dealt with a cursed BOH then 14:17 well it doesn't resist your uncursing attempts 14:17 that's one of those absolute "do not want" cases 14:17 does it? 14:18 oh no nothing "resists" uncursing in vanilla 14:18 I just took liberties with what you meant by heavy 14:18 I meant more in the slex heavy curse style 14:19 well that's slex 14:19 amy has... issues with post-3.4.3 nethack so she's not likely to retain any features from those :B 14:20 and in addition a mass majority of what you see there is homebrewed 14:20 things you wouldn't see in any other variant 14:20 (often for good reason) 14:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 2174 points, T:3667, killed by a soldier ant 14:20 I'm rather used to how slex plays, though I've nver really gotten too far 14:20 Go team a! 14:21 yes..go away blue a! 14:21 team blue a! 14:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:71980 14:23 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 14:32 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) destroyed elenmirie's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:3099 14:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:15012 14:35 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) completed Lokoban, on T:2007 14:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 16 points, T:52, killed by an electric shock 14:36 any luck nabru? 14:36 amateurhour: yep, got the amulet of reflection from lokoban 14:37 nice one 14:38 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:2433 14:45 -!- nymphet has joined #hardfought 14:46 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) killed Kroo the Kobold King, on T:3219 14:49 nice! 14:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2134 14:53 -!- bartlem has joined #hardfought 14:56 -!- nymphet has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 14:56 !rng play eh | read book 14:56 aoei: read book 14:57 yes Beholder. thank you Beholder 14:57 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:4088 14:57 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:13634 14:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1594 points, T:3212, killed by a soldier ant 15:00 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) destroyed Carmilla, on T:4255 15:00 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) destroyed Mina Harker, on T:4264 15:01 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:4454 15:01 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:4454 15:01 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 15517 points, T:4462, killed by a vampire 15:01 noooooo 15:02 :S 15:02 what happened ;_; 15:02 !lastgame nabru 15:02 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/notdnethack/dumplog/1601922112.ndnh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slex/dumplog/1590976383.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack4/dumplog/2020-08-11%2011%3A15%3A06%2C%20Testin%27-Tou-Hum-Mal-Neu%2C%20died.txt 15:02 let's see 15:02 vampire drained me 15:02 then killed me while I was at a lower level 15:03 ah, nasty 15:03 ooh you had protection and extra healing, nice spells for eth 15:03 ouch nabru 15:04 might be worth just grabbing lifesaving and holy water then leaving 15:04 think I did that for mine, came back later once I got the branchporting artifact 15:04 yep, will consider this next 15:07 F 15:08 (also that's damn early to be dealing with the Vladster) 15:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6922 15:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 15:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:43791 15:29 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 15:37 hello 15:37 Hello Bliss56, Welcome to #hardfought 15:37 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 15:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Hea Gno Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a werejackal, on T:7912 15:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Hea Gno Fem Neu), 6526 points, T:7912, quit 15:39 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:14449 15:41 Hi Bliss 15:42 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:46 what happened 15:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law), 50583 points, T:18644, killed by Lord Surtur 15:46 I got stunned somehow 15:46 so he hit me 4~ times 15:47 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 324 points, T:661, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:47 amateurhour: if you try to leave to heal do you get stunned or something? 15:48 damn, I became I cannibal by eating a MMF. totally forgot... 15:48 * a cannibal 15:50 -!- tromix has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:53 No? 15:53 You shouldn't 15:53 Were you dolores? 15:54 !lastgame dolores 15:54 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/xnethack/dumplog/1601860325.xnh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1562088647.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1569763424.slex.txt 15:55 Looks like you didn't mind your health 15:55 or else fatfingered and attacked him when you meant to run 15:56 loli: ^ 15:56 well my health wasn't the lowest, but the turn I died it seems like he attacked me 5~ times? 15:57 See your log 15:57 when in doubt, always check your dump files 15:58 so it does look like I fingered an attack after he got in 6 attakcs 15:58 I probably though I was going to the stairs 15:58 yeah, that'll do it 15:58 for the future, though, it is worth answering your question about healing 15:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:59 i.e. no, it shouldn't outright stun you, but it's an action that takes a turn, so ideally you want some good distance from whatever your current threat is 15:59 E-word, scroll of scare monster on the floor, teleport away, whatever works depending on the scenario 16:00 which leads me to my next point: you probably noticed that your quest nemesis will immediately take the fight to you upon waking 16:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:44291 16:00 well he tends to teleport away 16:00 yes, as expected 16:01 quest nemeses are covetous monsters 16:01 I'm on teminal hold with the irs trying to get my payment,,,, yuck 16:01 terminal 16:01 F 16:02 indeed 16:02 do you mind if I call you dolores btw? 16:02 (not you Bliss lol) 16:02 you can call me w/e 16:02 dolores it is, it rings much nicer :B 16:03 in any case, being covetous generally means they'll attack by just warping to where you are at the moment 16:04 health gets low enough, they'll warp to the stairs or w/e to heal (and naturally flee through it if you pursue them) 16:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 839 points, T:2028, killed by a rock mole 16:04 intersting 16:04 so he was on low health 16:04 yeah 16:05 with your setup you can usually tear through Surtur quickly 16:05 it seems I was! 16:05 sadly I lacked any heal scrolls or potions 16:05 he's not all that threatening compared to other nemeses 16:05 but even then you have to mind your health 16:05 shame you couldn't pull it off :c 16:05 well to be fair my health was halfish or so 16:05 then he got 6 hits in 16:05 as I tried to go for the stairs 16:06 I figured that's what went down 16:11 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Mys Und Mal Cha), 43712 points, T:7099, killed by a monster (squad air elemental) 16:18 -!- Mencherino has joined #hardfought 16:19 -!- Mencherino has quit [Client Quit] 16:23 -!- honu_ has joined #hardfought 16:25 -!- jilles_ has joined #hardfought 16:25 -!- jilles has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:25 -!- honu has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 16:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 149 points, T:723, killed by a fox 16:28 -!- bartlem has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:29 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a tan spellbook given to him by Anhur, on T:10642 16:30 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 16:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Baalzebub, on T:44452 16:38 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had a dagger entrusted to him by Anhur, on T:11330 16:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 370 points, T:569, killed by a hobbit 16:41 [hdf-us] [evil] Grouchy (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 14744 points, T:11514, killed by a bolt of cold, while dressing up 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Yeenoghu, on T:40670 16:48 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 16:49 what did I miss 16:50 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu) received Cleaver from Odin, on T:22284 16:50 <@riker> oh6 killed yeenoghu 16:50 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 16:52 oh6 heard you 16:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:2009 16:52 ah-hey? 16:53 no, my client reconnected on its own 16:53 So your client heard us then 16:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2247 16:56 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Emilus85 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 160 points, T:435, killed by a gnome 16:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] every2 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 515 points, T:1696, killed by a kitten 17:09 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:10 -!- Menchers has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:15 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 8918 points, T:5036, killed by a dwarf queen 17:22 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 17:25 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 17:28 what happened with the australian monk? 17:28 they die? 17:29 rebatela: I just woke up again, it's 8:30 am here. 17:29 But won't be playing for long - have to do some painting today. 17:29 nice 17:34 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 17:35 so it's 8:30 tomorrow? that's nuts 17:35 8:30 am on wednesday, yes. :) 17:35 you are on the other side of the planet 17:36 And it's summer. :) Over 30 C yesterday, though will rain today, will be cooler. Which is excellent for painting. 17:37 sweet. enjoy . paintings not bad when the weather is nice like that 17:37 I'm trying to view my ttyrec, see if it was, infact, demorgon that I was battling. 17:38 what?!?!? 17:39 <@riker> how are you not certain if it was demo or not 17:39 that happened to me in evilhack. I went down to valley of the dead and the next thing i know I was fighting demo... I somehow made it up the stairs to castle and thought i got away 17:39 <@riker> blind/hallu? 17:39 but it turns out he was on the cstle level with me and i had to just fight and somehow lived 17:40 in vanilla you can stone him with a c corpse 17:40 so if you have a wish.. 17:41 riker: I was focused on Orcus, and then before I knew it, he had summoned some crazy nasty that was consistently using touch of death, consistently sickening me fatally every turn, and my unicorn horn stopped working reliably, though it's still blessed, along with two minotours, and who the heck knows what - it was insane. 17:42 i missed all this! 17:42 did you get the death wand? 17:42 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:3846 17:42 rebatela: I've got death, still one charge left on that. 17:42 i hope you had mr 17:42 rebatela: Oh man... 17:42 no orcus has a death wand 17:42 No, orcus is still there. 17:42 oh i see 17:42 there are ways to deal with him 17:43 but he CAN summon demogorgron 17:43 <@plisp> yikes is that demo 17:43 I had to run, I got level-drained, etc. 17:43 if you don't kill him 17:43 plisp: I think so. I am trying to get into the ttyrecs to check. 17:44 I actually want to level back up again, somehow. 17:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4048 17:45 I'm in some sort of graveyard. 17:47 -!- Menchers has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:48 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 17:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 helm of brilliance", on T:16403 17:50 Ok, ttyrec is installed now, so I have access to ttyplay - how do I skip "almost to the end" of the ttyrec? 17:52 <@plisp> +/- change the speed of the playback 17:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:16456 17:56 Thanks for that. 17:57 rebatela: https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/ttyrec/2020-10-05.06:34:48.ttyrec.gz is where I'm at, pretty much. :) 17:59 Yes. It's "Demogorgon appears in a cloud of smoke!", I gave up on ttyrec, didn't know hwo to stop it. 17:59 So confirmed. :( Demogorgon. 18:00 Not like there was much doubt left 18:00 Demo's the only one with a spammable sickening attack like that 18:00 Juiblex has one but they're turboslow 18:00 [hdf-us] [slex] dolores (Bin Fen Fem Cha), 151 points, T:650, killed by a monster (sextarian cutie) 18:01 Still can't believe I managed to survive to fight another day. 18:01 Unicorn horns aren't 100% to cure status ailments so 18:01 Still not sure how tog et back. Not a lot of 'trices in graveyards. 18:01 Wish :B 18:01 lol 18:01 Ha. No wishes ,anyway. 18:01 got extra healing and full healing potions? 18:02 I'm all out of those. Wrested the wish to get ring of free action <-- Only reason I'm still alive. 18:02 can also carry C eggs provided you ensure they don't hatch 18:02 No healing, except for the boring spell. 18:02 Umbire: Yeah, that'ss new to me, I thought they always risked hatching. 18:02 Nah, there's timers 18:03 Eggs can "spoil" and remain inert if contained securely enough past their hatching time 18:03 (which can be refreshed with turn undead) 18:03 Very nice. 18:04 Unfortunately, the stairs are full of: Orcus, Demogorgon, two Minotaurs, etc, so once I get back up, it's up to insanity. 18:04 its confirmed then? 18:04 Demo is in your game? 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:16463 18:04 120% confirmed lmao 18:04 eep 18:04 pass the 'reins' to umby, aoei 18:04 Yeah, the question now is making your way past that floor on the trip back up 18:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:77586 18:05 i dont think i really took the reins much rebatela lol 18:05 and im going to bed in a minute 18:05 so someone else definitely should have them 18:05 yeah i was sleeping. i'm happy to know they are alive though! 18:05 aoei: This mess is 120% all on you, then! ;) (Joking!) 18:05 xD 18:05 if you could levelport reliably to said floor you're likely to end up at not-the-stairs but you want to be NEAR a stairway in case things go sideways again 18:05 hmm 18:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:6435 18:06 reins makes it sound like we're taking turns riding arahael like a horse 18:06 Even this air elemental was a struggle. 18:06 giddy-up! 18:06 aoei: Haha. :) 18:06 * aoei cracks whip at arahael 18:06 aoei: After surviving Demogorgon... 18:07 is Demo dead tho 18:07 very good question 18:07 No, I barely got away. 18:07 <@riker> hey, you're not dead and that's what matters 18:07 yes but ideally you don't want Demo alive in your game 18:07 :S 18:07 Heh. 18:08 aoei: This is a *most* interesting ttyrec: https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/ttyrec/2020-10-05.06:34:48.ttyrec.gz :) 18:08 rev geno chickatrices and levitate and arm yourself with a corpse 18:08 ^ 18:08 viable tactic 18:08 rebatela: Cursed geno? 18:08 I was going to try using "create monster" stuff, but rev geno sounds safer. 18:09 But I think I need to massively level up first. 18:09 cursed genocide scroll 18:09 rebatela: Ah, easy, then. A bit later. 18:09 It creates the monsters you choose instead of killing them :B 18:09 it will kill demogorogon in one shot 18:09 yeah rev geno them rubber chickies 18:09 solid 18:09 as I mentioned to dolores that's a situation where you'd want a cursed scroll (though you'd also want to *know* it was cursed but that should go without saying) 18:09 solid Demo is solid strats 18:10 in evilhack that doesn't work. they cast stone to flesh anyway and will heal themselves 18:10 rebatela: of course they do XD 18:10 rebatela: free action ring, wielded paralysis, *then* c-corpse? 18:11 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:11 paralysed they can't heal themself right? 18:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Mal Cha) averted death, on T:22650 18:11 no. if you have a turn? and a wielded cockatrice ? you don't need paralysis. he dies on that next turn 18:12 could also try meleeing them to death while they're paralysed, but the paralysis and c-corpse combo seems like a more sure-fire way 18:12 turns to stone 18:12 rebatela: you just said Demogorgon in evilhack will cast stone to flesh? 18:12 they're playing vanilla 18:12 yeah id ont care about that 18:12 im talking about evilhack now 18:12 oh 18:12 oh 18:12 sorry 18:12 no problem, i was unclear 18:12 <@plisp> does evilhack have delayed stoning? 18:12 yeah 18:12 In the context of evilhack, yeah, it has delayed stoning 18:13 but in those turns demo will cast stf 18:13 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 18:13 so evil stoning is dleyaed, and demo will just heal itself 18:13 <@plisp> yikes 18:13 (in eh) 18:13 i think.. that's what k2 says 18:13 Unless paralyzed or otherwise impeded I'd think 18:13 Umbire: yeah 18:13 i usually am dead once it reaches that point 18:13 which is why i suggested the thing with the paralysis then c-corpse combi 18:13 yeah. it probably works 18:13 i've melee'd demo a couple times in evil 18:13 paralysis plus melee 18:13 and died to him a a couple times 18:14 or ridic op char 18:14 with mad melee attack 18:14 last couple times it's been boulder fort 18:14 -!- werekitt1n has joined #hardfought 18:14 is it possible to ascend without waking it at all 18:14 they will nerf the boulder fort though... at least i hope they do 18:14 it's always a back and forth 18:14 How do I weild paralysis? 18:14 <@plisp> not with the AoY probably 18:14 arahael: you can wield the potions 18:14 w * 18:14 and then pick it 18:14 if you have free action ring 18:14 and then smashmonster with it 18:14 aoei: Yes, but together with the trice? 18:15 arahael: nah you'd have to equip the trice after, but you don't need the paralysis pot if you have the trice invvanilla 18:15 we're confusing the issue by talking Evil strats 18:15 Yeah, we're talking EvilHack Demo 18:15 Ah. 18:15 oh you are playing evil aoei? i forgot 18:15 -!- werekitten has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:15 rebatela: i play very occasionally 18:15 not got very far 18:15 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:15 Steelypips mentioned creating a moat of acid blobs as a fort, but I wont' have that chance either. 18:15 my best game died in Sokozoo 18:15 As he's right at the stairs. 18:16 rebatela: theoretically it might be viable to just evade Demogorgon on the ascension run in EH 18:16 you can't 18:16 probably not evade without waking 18:16 you used to be able to 18:16 but you might be able to paralyse it and then run away upstairs 18:16 save a couple cursed gain levels.. 18:17 but that no longer works 18:17 paralyse it then c!oGL? 18:17 k2 is smart (and he plays the game like us) 18:17 or can you not rise up at all 18:17 with that potion 18:17 you can't do it when he's on the level 18:17 ah right 18:17 and you can't teleport to the upstair after paralysing Demogorgon 18:17 you used to be able to like hit him and he'd go to the stairs and you could teleport out. but no more 18:18 that might even be vanilla behavior now 18:18 i think latest vanilla is you can't teleport while hte demon is alive and on the level 18:18 but with the amulet in evilhack? yeah you can't just skip demo anymore 18:18 aoei: right 18:18 rebatela: what about repeatedly smash Demo with a new paralysis pot every time it ports to you 18:18 and then climb the stairs 18:19 but maybe that ends up making less sense than just killing it 18:19 is it a long way to the stairs? 18:19 i mean he's not indestructible... the problem is you are always stunned/demo sick 18:19 so you don't get a turn 18:19 you have to heal yourself and there's no counter showing you whether you have a turn or not 18:19 so you keep healing til you get a free move 18:19 it becomes a lost cause very quickly 18:20 then smash it with the paralysis pot 18:20 whoever gets that first move is huge too 18:20 do you need a better healing method than a blessed unihorn 18:20 is there a better method. you can't cast 18:20 holy water works 18:20 eucaltypus leaf 18:20 but eucalptus can be rotted and paraylyze you! 18:20 those won't cure your stun tho 18:21 no you need the unicorn for stun 18:21 fuck 18:21 :< 18:21 but then you cure yourself and he gets another turn 18:21 and same thing happens 18:21 it's like that in vanilla too 18:21 yeah 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) genocided class ;, on T:16739 18:21 but you rarely fight demogorgon in vanilla 18:21 pesty is quite bad but pesty you can just death wand 18:22 so its rarely an issue 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1014 18:23 "You feel momentarily different" <-- What's that? (I guess I got lucky!) 18:23 depends what you jsut tried to do 18:23 or what someone tried to do to you 18:23 <@riker> attempted polymorph 18:23 ahhh yeah 18:24 stack of blessed eucalptus (not going to bother trying to spell) leaves are the best though... apply and it's like a magic whistle 18:24 it loses the blessing sometimes, but that's why a stack 18:24 Yeah, poly trap. 18:24 polytrap blocked by MR yeah 18:24 i didn't know about the disease thing for the longest time 18:24 elenmirie told me to kick trees for those 18:24 yeah 18:25 so I did, bees appeared and I punched them to death 18:25 elenmirie knows what's up 18:25 gained several XL 18:25 kick those trees 18:25 xD 18:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:16885 18:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 711 points, T:1632, killed by a dwarf 18:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) genocided gremlins, on T:59129 18:32 * arahael wishes that melee attacking an enchanter would safely enchant things. 18:32 enchanters have to exist first 18:32 YANI: arahael wants an enchanter monster that enchants your gear when you fight it 18:33 and even then you'd have to risk running into one after ideal enchantments 18:33 Umbire: but that makes it more balanced :D 18:33 where they're suddenly an inventory-evaporating terror 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:59175 18:33 Umbire: XD 18:33 Umbire: I just fought one, but it was a 'traveller' or something. 18:33 oh 18:33 that's a doppleganger 18:33 How do I get into this room? 18:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:59178 18:33 shapeshifter like the chameleon but they favor player character forms (complete with the appropriate title for their level) 18:34 level and role* 18:35 The walls are too hard to dig, too. It's weird, looks like no way in, no way out. 18:36 <@plisp> oh wizard level 18:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 463 points, T:888, killed by a jackal 18:36 <@plisp> you probably don't want to stick around too long 18:36 plisp: I'll just go right back up to demogorgon! 18:37 yep yep yep, you've found the wizard of Oz 18:37 how's the painting going Arahael? 18:37 -!- werekitt1n is now known as werekitten 18:37 rebatela: Errr... Slowly! 18:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hlf Fem Law) was given the Green Dragon Crescent Blade, on T:4218 18:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:10347 18:39 This is a wierd room! 18:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1717 18:39 I just want to bash those &'s. 18:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:1729 18:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:10479 18:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Mon Hlf Fem Law), 8959 points, T:4382, quit 18:41 It's the same as any given floor on Gehennom 18:41 except that you're in the area with the Wizard's Tower (or fake versions thereof) 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:59394 18:42 Umbire: So impossible to get into? 18:43 not from the same floor 18:43 You have to get in from the bottom 18:43 Ah, interesting. 18:45 Going down. :) 18:45 I feel I want more HP before I battle Demogorgon. 18:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1267 18:45 There's a magic portal in one of the fake towers that lead to the real ones 18:45 Also ideally yeah, if only to not be swatted after dealing with Demo 18:46 which, two minos and Orcus, good luck 18:46 * Umbire wipes off sweat 18:46 Right. 18:47 Yet another amulet of life saving... 18:49 Umbire: I'm also only "warned". 18:49 i.e. you have warning? 18:50 I'm not following exactly 18:50 Means I have MC1, only. 18:50 Not MC2 or MC3. 18:51 arahael: That's warded, not warned. 18:51 Ah! 18:52 I'm also "You are warded". 18:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:59662 18:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:59665 18:55 -!- spleen has joined #hardfought 19:01 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:11603 19:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:3815 19:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a floating eye corpse, on T:4000 19:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had Sting bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:4096 19:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 26380 points, T:11992, petrified by a cockatrice 19:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law) killed Cerberus, on T:24940 19:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] anxiety617 (Ran Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1000 19:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 6438 points, T:5383, killed by a gnome king 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:4696 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Adept, on T:4721 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4732 19:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law) was given their Quest, on T:26494 19:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:32069 19:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) polymorphed her first object, on T:18262 19:19 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:8470 19:21 Amulets of life savings get *really* common. Pity that slot's already taken. 19:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:5626 19:23 * arahael wishes he had a tshirt. 19:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law) killed Master Kaen, on T:27433 19:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 3674 points, T:5702, killed by a death ray 19:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Grue, on T:78615 19:24 my kingdom for a shirt 19:24 -!- captain42 has joined #hardfought 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) made her first artifact wish - "The Master Key Of Thievery", on T:18338 19:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 75 points, T:242, killed by a water moccasin 19:27 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming an earth elemental, on T:3147 19:27 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Mon Hum Mal Law), 3262 points, T:3153, zombified by a gnome zombie 19:29 Earth elemental zombie? 19:30 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 19:31 oh I wonder what actually happens 19:31 do you die first then become a zombie? 19:32 Only one way to find out 19:32 !lastgame sluggoman 19:32 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/sluggoman/evilhack/dumplog/1601934741.evil.html 19:33 Died in elemental form so 19:33 My question's more what kinda zombie'll be left 19:35 arahel: did you ever find polymorph? shirts are makeable 19:35 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:36 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:9387 19:36 polypile is the WAY to make t-shirt in vanilla... they are super rare 19:36 rebatela: Still no poly. 19:37 rebatela: My new strategy is to forget about the "rubber duck", and to wear a shield of reflection and amulet of lifesaving. Means no spellcasting, but they weren't reliable anyway. 19:37 So I'm thinking of using up my last scroll of charging, to charge the magic marker a final time, and make scrolls of enchant armour for that shield. 19:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:61940 19:39 Read confused scroll of create monster, Go upstairs... Try to take care of the two minotaurs... if Demogorgon appears (who cares about Orcus at this point?), take him downstairs and if I'm very very lucky, I'll have a moat of acid blobs. 19:39 [hdf-us] [slex] tkirkby (Lun Red Mal Cha), 4495 points, T:2236, killed by a monster (gray speeze) 19:39 rebatela: I do have two unid'ed wands, but neither are poly. :( 19:40 you will know when it you engrave it will turn into "?Ld y you thinks dhfhf sl cokcatric *hfhs " 19:41 rebatela: Yep, didn't happen with those two. 19:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed +2 rustproof Quicksilver", on T:79473 19:42 hi 19:42 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 19:42 rebatela: The only thing that gives me pause... Is... Do I need to potentially recharge a bell of opening? 19:42 * rebatela passes the reins 19:43 have you been using it ? no, if not.. i don't even carry it around 19:43 I'm thinking the RNG could find me another magic marker or charging scroll if that comes to it, though. 19:43 rebatela: It has 3 charges, but no, I've otherwise not been using it. 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3002 19:44 find the vibrating square and ditch the gell and the candleadrum there. and work back... that's how i play. i die a lot though 19:44 bell* 19:45 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) attained the rank of Page of Claws, on T:9805 19:45 rebatela: I'm Very Strong. 19:45 St:18/32 19:46 Feck it, charging the marker, executing my plan. :) It's insane. 19:46 oh snap...you are all set then 32? just play along. you'll be fine 19:46 rebatela: that reminds me, what does that "/32" mean? 19:46 it means you're gonna die soon 19:46 rebatela: aeos isn't here, so why are you giving bad advice? ;) 19:47 k2 is here 19:47 OOh, yeah. 19:47 k2 is waaaay better at nethack than me 19:49 all these people are..... even in austrailia you have andrio, tangles, ummm well you have them.. they both know more than me 19:49 confirmed: the population of australia is 2 19:50 there's likely more peopel over there. i just don't know therir names off top of head 19:50 lol 19:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:33280 19:51 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:33282 19:51 hothraxxa is the BEST Of any of us 19:51 that hangs out here 19:51 well there's bill, margaret, barry, phil, alice, doreen, bob... 19:51 yeah yeah tariru luxi etc.. but they don't really talk a lot 19:52 lol aosdict: 19:52 you an cheer him on then 19:52 can 19:52 <{Demo}1> im a seriously dangerously high skill nethack player and u better watch ur evilhack splat score cause im splatting for lower 19:52 NOW WE ARE TALKING 19:53 see what you've done australia monk? 19:53 demo is the champ 19:53 rebatela: My work is done! 19:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] anxiety617 (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 6610 points, T:3751, killed by a vampire 19:56 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3439 19:57 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 3700 points, T:11289, dismembered by a winter wolf cub, while helpless 19:57 i miss anything exciting today? 19:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered the Astral Plane, on T:62248 19:58 demo: splatting on evil is fun. come join club 19:58 arahael is in the furthest game of their life and has demogorgon K2 19:58 ah 19:59 it's been quite the ride 19:59 Quite the ride... Yes... 20:00 Hmm... Conical hat... 20:00 don't wear it 20:00 don't do it 20:00 don't be tempted to do it 20:00 they were stuck on asmo level and dug down to juiblex and then killed them both but he had no ac. did the castle it was like dfv no magic resistance 20:00 drop it on the ground and pretend you never saw it 20:00 lol yeah they had like 2 ac and no mr or reflection 20:00 fun to watch 20:01 * arahael never saw no conical hats. 20:02 They're either dunce caps (usually v. undesirable) or cornuthaums (usually v. undesirable unless you're a wizard) 20:02 oh hey a chaotic alter on dlvl1 while I'm chaotic 20:03 Umbire: Yeah, I already have dunce. 20:03 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a xorn, on T:33375 20:03 i WISH i knew more AU pleayers than i do... Now i know 3 ... 20:04 IRL? everyone i've ever met from austrailia is incredible 20:04 they mix tobacco with the green but that's ok 20:05 i think everyone does that except americans. i'm the weirdo apparently ? 20:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) put Death down for a little nap, on T:62268 20:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) used a helm to turn lawful, on T:62284 20:08 Yay, minotaur. I'm going to stand next to him and see how I last. 20:08 what's your ac 20:08 AC:-29 20:08 they do really 'spiky' damage 20:08 so if it goes south, run away and heal up 20:08 zap sleep 20:08 usually 1v1 you should be fine 20:09 also that 20:09 -29 seems like it really smooths it down. This is a good outcome. 20:09 rebatela: I won't have time to zap sleep when dealing with demogorgon. 20:09 you should learn charm monster spell. make the came a lot esier. you'd have a pet minotuar now 20:09 woah, is there a mino near demo? 20:09 2 20:09 that sounds like a recipe for disaster 20:09 there are 2. 20:09 lol 20:09 #quit 20:09 <@plisp> and orcus 20:09 amateurhour: Upstairs, left him behind with Orcus, two minotaurs, etc, all crowded at the stairs. I barely escaped. 20:10 for real though, if they're all at the stairs I'd snap a wand of tele 20:10 amateurhour: Woah. Great idea. 20:10 amateurhour: Isn't Orcus's level no-telo? 20:10 For you 20:10 ^ 20:10 Even freaking better. 20:11 Orcus and Demo have covetous warp 20:11 no-tele usually means people can't teleport themselves of their own accord 20:11 (with that above exception) 20:11 -!- cebolla has joined #hardfought 20:11 teleporting others is a bit different 20:11 That should make things considerably easier. 20:12 assuming you survive long enough to do it 20:12 break a wand of teleport and it damages + teleports everyone within the radius 20:12 Does it need charges? 20:12 yeah, living is the critical part 20:12 Yes 20:12 How many? 20:12 Yes. 20:12 ^ 20:12 I have a cursed wand of telo with four charges I could use. 20:12 applying a wand with charges breaks it and caused different effects with the explosion depending on the wand 20:13 it only needs a single charge in case you missed what Umbire was saying there 20:13 at bare minimum breaking a tele wand will keep the minotaurs away from you 20:13 amateurhour: Ah, I did miss that. 20:13 Still, that's my only id'ed wand, so I think I'll use that. 20:14 No spare teleport wands? 20:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:80045 20:14 there we go I finally setup BUC properly for the game... so I don't accidently equip the cursed version 20:14 Umbire: Hopefully the demons won't be /quite/ at the stairs when I get up there - if the instant I get up there, and there's demogorgon, I'll have ot focus on him and go right back down. I intend to set myself a moat of acid blobs or something before I do this. 20:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Law), 1378930 points, T:62284, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/i/ichbinmiah/nethack/dumplog/1596476102.nh.html 20:14 Umbire: I have a few spares, but with unknown charges. 20:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:80072 20:15 Ah. 20:15 grats ichbinmiah 20:15 GG icky 20:15 congrast 20:15 congrats* 20:15 Still, I think AC:-29 is starting to feel comfortable. 20:15 grayz miah! 20:15 No spellcasting is a bit irritating, though. 20:15 yeah I'd ascend with that 20:15 amateurhour: Gotta get past Orcus+Demo, though. 20:16 amateurhour: I wouldn'tw ant Rodney to add to the mix! ;) 20:16 oh for sure, that's gotta be priority 1 right now 20:17 uranium wand? *surely* that's poly?... 20:17 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Robber, on T:33735 20:17 if only because the radiation will mutate you 20:17 Woohoo! Poly! 20:18 Turn 65887, and finally, my first poly! 20:18 Don't think I can do anything with it though - I have all the rings and wands I could want - except for wishing... I don't think you can poly for wishing, right? 20:19 I have a _lot_ of empty wands./ 20:19 * arahael keeps everything. 20:20 watch out with that keeps everyhtings bit.. amy will try to recruit you for slex 20:21 Eh? 20:21 meh, making the game more amenable to packratting is something a lot of variants do 20:21 Flipped Sokoban is p. much garlic to her though :B 20:21 i know 20:21 (among many other things) 20:21 i just completelty disagree with it 20:21 And yeah, not wrong. 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 3328 points, T:3711, killed by an owlbear 20:21 aosdict: I think making it even easier to packrat would harm the game play. 20:21 and i can't stand watch people playing burdened 20:21 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:22 arahael: in slex, the carry cap is so high you can tote around a chest as your container and not have problems 20:22 !whereis Arahael 20:22 aosdict: [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370]: (Mon Hum Mal Law) T:65816 Gehennom level: 45 20:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:80465 20:22 aosdict: That's insane. 20:22 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed rustproof +2 Gauntlets of Spell Power", on T:80469 20:23 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 20:24 did I... did i just randomly find a bag of holding 20:24 loli: Likely. 20:24 loli: And they say nethack doesn't encourage packratting! :) 20:24 haha 20:24 I can bless it too 20:24 a chaotic alter dlvl1 20:25 why not get rid of nutrition too? i mean.. 20:25 I should probably make more first 20:25 rebatela: I'm still eating, just more slowly. I'm only burdened because I'm sorting out my BoH again after this wand. 20:25 half the game is deciding what to carry and ID.. at least she figured out the id part 20:25 I like how dnh handles it, with magic chests that are linked together 20:26 is that really half the battle, I"m not sure 20:26 rebatela: are you suggesting that the slex way of handling id is sane 20:26 lol no 20:26 i don't paly it 20:26 play 20:26 it 20:26 but i have incredible respect for the game 20:26 -!- elenmirie has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 20:27 <@ichbinmiah> thanks all! 20:27 :3 20:27 slex is fun and chaotic 20:27 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2471 20:28 i just think it's weak if you can carry everything... cmon 20:29 rebatela: What I really want to do is get back up to the castle, and polypile until I get the tshirt. 20:29 I don't have much food anyway. 20:30 god damnit 20:30 what a great run w ruined by impatience 20:30 I should have a pause on weak 20:30 like I do on hungry 20:30 it always catches me by surprise 20:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 1935 points, T:2771, killed by a fire ant 20:31 inventory mangement and stashing are annoying 20:31 -!- spleen has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:31 ... what a great run wasted 20:31 I wonder why the weak messages aren't going off 20:31 !lastgame dolores 20:31 loli: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/xnethack/dumplog/1601942493.xnh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1562088647.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dolores/slex/dumplog/1569763424.slex.txt 20:33 Go team a! 20:33 go team a indeed! 20:35 Ok, I'm back up to the level just below Demogorgon. Going to #save now and get some painting done. 20:36 With AC:-29, the minotaur isn't a big deal adn I actually took a peak: Stairs aren't _too_ bad. 20:36 GL later on 20:36 Thanks. 20:36 And with your painting 20:36 Yes! :) 20:37 i'm used to playing evilhack. you would find a t-shirt long ago 20:37 what is so evil about evilhack? 20:37 they are rare but yeah if you zap poly at a all that crap in the castle you'll get a shirt 20:37 rebatela: I only *now* have poly. 20:39 this is where people's nethack styles divide... you can become real dengenerate here if you want to ...the game is still hard.. but these other people play way different than me... no polypiling, no artifact wishing, no fun... 20:40 "no fun" lol 20:40 rebatela: That's probably why you do the potion mixing and stuff, then 20:40 alchemy? 20:40 Yes :) 20:41 alchemy kind of sucks in 3.6 but yeah you are going to need FH potions 20:42 everyone does that (i think) 20:42 I've got amulets of life saving. 20:42 yeah but you barely have any hp 20:42 Indeed... HP:145 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Bar Orc Mal Cha), 333 points, T:1153, killed by a water elemental 20:43 if you were to make like 50 full healing potions (hypothetically) 20:43 sink water is so tasty tho 20:43 and quaff them? you get 8 hp to your max each potion 20:44 Eh? Too boring! 20:44 so the game is to save all the healing and extra healing potions throughout the game and convert them to fh 20:45 and speed potions 20:45 go team A 20:45 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 981 points, T:1136, killed by a fire ant 20:46 you just keep plugging along though. you're gonna die. you're not going to ascend with 100hp or whatevef 20:46 as long as you're preparerd for it 20:46 >> 20:46 ?? 20:46 i guess you could get lucky and get an altar 20:47 [hdf-us] [slshm] Qwesti (Ran Dro Mal Cha), 445 points, T:1009, killed by a gnome lord 20:47 for what? ascending? 20:47 yeah 20:47 arahael 20:47 keeps plugging along... no magic resitance in gehennom? no problem! 20:47 Haha. 20:49 rebatela: I even did half of the orcus level without free action. ;) 20:49 amateurhour and mobileuser know because we were watching them play yesterday. Cliffhanger after cliffhanger 20:50 Haha. :) 20:50 I hate chokepoints in quest levels. 20:50 that's really first time you got to castle? 20:51 rebatela: Technically the second time, I vaguely remember a game a decade ago, where I just died in the castle. 20:51 that's lke the game right there... you'll keep getting back now . i already told you that but that's how it works 20:51 Painting now... 20:51 lol 20:51 sorry 20:53 "Ye and all yer belongings get forcefully wedged into a crevice." Kinky 20:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:31141 20:54 [hdf-us] [slshm] Qwesti (Ran Dro Mal Cha), 98 points, T:326, killed by a jackal 20:56 <@plisp> ascending with 100hp is fine surely 20:57 in vanilla? I would often ascend with a little over 100 20:58 looks like my lowest hp ascension is 101 20:59 you don't need to grind for hp or anything to win for sure, but I think that ascension was before I knew extra healing raised your hp... 21:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:1403 21:03 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Inf Fem Cha) attained the rank of First Mate, on T:39708 21:05 I hate this input system asking me again, I'm not used to it, and I"m used to buffering inputs 21:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:1352 21:13 what do you mean? 21:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) averted death, on T:81913 21:14 another bag of holding huh 21:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] quervo1 (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 736 points, T:1526, killed by a giant bat 21:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 262 points, T:1060, killed by a werejackal, while frozen by a monster's gaze 21:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "elbereth", on T:3575 21:20 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Inf Fem Cha) destroyed Blackbeard's Ghost, on T:40353 21:20 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Inf Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:40357 21:23 arahael: this is another nehtack allstar ^^ the hyptonist. ask them for advice 21:24 isn't hypnotist a different player 21:24 really? 21:24 i maybe... whoever bouqet is is really good 21:24 bouquet doesn't play under bouquet i know that 21:25 you're right tho. i'm probably confsing ppl 21:25 bouquet: correct me if I'm wrong, but you play as bouquet, yes? 21:26 bouquet plays as like hypnotic or someting 21:26 i could totallly be wrong 21:27 [hdf-us] [nh4] Zizi (hackedhead) (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 21859 points, T:869, killed by a magic missile 21:28 it's a different name. it's coming back to me ... they don't play as "bouquet" tho 21:28 do they play as 'bouttoniere' ? 21:28 i'm going to send mail in splicehack 21:29 no they go by a different name on here 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] bebing (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2547 21:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:4356 21:30 rebatela: I'm very confused because I don't remember any indication that bouquet the irc user and bouquet the hdf user are different people 21:31 yeah i'm probalby wrong 21:32 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 8234 points, T:5034, killed by a winter wolf cub, while being terrified of a ghost 21:33 over the years though, there have always been people logged into freenode and ascneding under different names 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:4954 21:34 see their ascension gg team @ etc. i 21:34 ask bouquet what they used to play under... not making this up 21:36 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 21:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:703 21:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1903 points, T:2513, killed by a giant bat 21:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:7512 21:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3660 points, T:7515, shot himself with a death ray 21:49 Huh. 21:50 !lastgame MHL 21:50 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/MHL/nethack/dumplog/1601946780.nh.html 21:50 I see, cockup cascade. 21:50 Wanted to die on their own terms. :B 21:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 300 points, T:1268, killed by a coyote 21:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Belial, on T:83493 21:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Fierna, on T:83495 21:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Leviathan, on T:83878 21:59 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Dagon, on T:84045 22:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was given Mjollnir, on T:30946 22:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 61 points, T:231, killed by a kobold zombie 22:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law) killed the Grue, on T:35126 22:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 840 points, T:1977, killed by a bolt of cold 22:11 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 22:12 Umbire: They should've played like me. ;) 22:12 * arahael has finished painting. 22:13 [hdf-us] [spl] Qwesti (Hea Gul Fem Neu), 209 points, T:312, caught herself in her own magical blast 22:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Mal Cha) averted death, on T:25244 22:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Mal Cha), 395004 points, T:25250, killed by a xorn, while praying 22:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3750 22:16 [hdf-us] [dyn] me3 (dragonspeaker) (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 5242 points, T:3558, killed by a bolt of lightning 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3801 22:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 417 points, T:3821, killed by a wand 22:17 * arahael prepares to fight demo. 22:17 {Demo}1: heads up :P 22:17 gl no rm 22:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 305 points, T:952, killed by a gnome 22:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:45703 22:21 Ok, acid blob fort downstairs is all prepared now. 22:22 oh6: Showoff! 22:22 YASI: acid blobs can merge into a mega acid blob which actually has active attacks 22:23 aosdict: Sliming? 22:23 Acid pudding 22:23 no, it's just like an acid blob, but bigger 22:23 YASI: a 2x2 enemy type 22:24 Ah, not a big deal then. Hmm, there's a gap in my fort now, interesting. 22:24 where the S stands for super-awesome 22:24 I think POWDER has those amateurhour 22:25 [hdf-us] [nh343] klintos (Tou Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:37703 22:26 I'll be honest, I've never played any other roguelikes than nethack and its variants 22:27 me neither. that was just something I heard from someone else :P 22:27 well I did try angband for a few hours, had no idea what I was doing, and then returned to nethack 22:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 509 points, T:936, killed by a gnome 22:28 <@riker> !whereis amateurhour 22:28 @riker: amateurhour is not playing. 22:28 I just stopped for a sec riker 22:29 <@riker> ya was just tryna check what combo 22:29 but I'll log in again so you can snoop 22:29 <@riker> mon hlf mal law 22:29 <@riker> it's all good lol 22:29 yeah nothing adventurous 22:29 got too confused with binder and wanted to try hlf 22:30 <@riker> binder op 22:30 can't say I particularly like the law quest as a lawful character 22:30 so many monotons etc just derping around all peaceful 22:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Verier, on T:85074 22:30 <@riker> peaceful dispalcement when 22:30 yeah for real 22:30 Oh, wow... It's even worse than Demogorgon. 22:31 * amateurhour raises eyebrows 22:31 It's now Yeenoghu. 22:31 as well as demo and orcus? 22:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:3157 22:31 So now Orcus, Yeenoghu, *and* Demogorgon. Yes. 22:31 I think that might've put me over the edge just slightly. 22:31 <{Demo}1> ppl talking mad shit about me 2day I've been seeing 22:32 hahaha 22:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5183 22:32 For future reference: A fort of acid blobs does bloodly nothing. 22:32 <{Demo}1> I don't bite (but I do sting) 22:32 who's downstairs with you atm arahael 22:32 Uh oh. :o 22:32 amateurhour: demo and yeen. 22:32 you got free action on right? 22:33 amateurhour: Yes. Plus conflict. 22:33 oh this is the wizard's floor isn't it 22:33 amateurhour: Yep. 22:33 I wonder if they'll wake him up 22:33 you got cursed tele scrolls? 22:33 nvm ignore, doesn't work in 3.7 22:33 amateurhour: I do in the BoH. 22:34 you could maybe tele wand demo now 22:34 go upstairs so it's orcus and yeeno 22:34 Hmm, I wonder which one I should punch first. I'd say demo. Hmm? Ah, a great idea... 22:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3366 22:34 Yeah, dunno what you expected if you were abusing conflict. 22:35 You ideally want a boulder fort for that. 22:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Arc Vam Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:430 22:35 MAYBE a jelly fort works. 22:35 <@riker> conflict is a crutch for people who can't oneshot demogorgon 22:35 Umbire: What do you mean? Ah, yeah, well. I was hoping for jelly. 22:35 riker: Haha. 22:35 shut, riker 22:35 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 22:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3594 22:35 <@riker> bugged vorpal blade is the only acceptable way to play 22:35 Confused create monster only creates blobs 22:36 <@riker> blobs will wiggle around occasionally just fyi 22:36 conflictless as official tracked conduct when 22:36 you want jellies you have to revgeno them 22:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3645 22:36 and given they won't cover every square you'd have to go for the boulder jelly combo 22:36 think you're boned mate 22:37 when it's going tits up like this it's worth taking your hands off the keys and having a think 22:37 <@riker> isn't conflictness in xnh? 22:37 yeah riker 22:37 You probably want to be on the stairs 22:37 <@riker> proof that orcoftheageofstarsman is ahead of his time 22:37 The Wizard's tower is non-diggable 22:37 Oh, crap, indeed. 22:38 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) averted death, on T:66386 22:38 *sigh*. 22:38 So now I'm back up to full health, but in a damn pit. 22:38 in a pit lmao 22:38 Thinking is a free action :B 22:38 Can you wear your ring of levitation? 22:38 Can you jump? 22:38 -!- sebastia1toby has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:38 I can't jump. 22:38 Can you spam your unicorn horn? 22:38 Andrio: I have a holy water left. 22:39 do you have any healing potions? 22:39 are you Very Fast 22:39 And yes, unicorn horn. 22:39 I am Very Fast. 22:39 I don't think that'll help right now unless you need to bless the horn. 22:39 Ah, no, you can drink the holy water. 22:39 But yes, I have a blessed unicorn horn already. 22:40 ok, good. 22:40 I think I need to break my wand of telo. 22:40 got paralysis potions? 22:40 No. 22:40 Well, they'll teleport right back to you. 22:40 Immediately? 22:40 think demo might be faster than you if he buffed his speed 22:40 Very soon at least. 22:40 Demogorgon is pretty fast, yeah. 22:41 I was hoping that they might attack each other with conflict. 22:41 Hasted Demogorgon is the same speed as you if you're very fast. 22:41 can't remember if it's possible for them to but it'll be rare as conflict does a check against their mr 22:41 With my luck, he will certainly be hasted. 22:41 I'd try snap a wand anyway 22:42 don't forget to cure 22:42 woo rolled 18 on all three physical attributes 22:42 what about your other attributes?~ 22:42 gotta cure now arahael 22:43 heh, 7 on all three other attributes 22:43 Will chance the unicorn horn again. 22:43 If you have healing potions, use one 22:43 typical barbarian, strong and agile but dumb as rocks :D 22:43 F 22:43 F 22:43 * arahael gasps... 22:44 Should've done the holy water route! 22:44 But I was dead already. 22:44 yeah after a few sickness attacks the time left till death is quite low 22:44 Next time I see Orcus, I'll kill him *immediately*. 22:44 next time you see orcus try use a cockatrice corpse 22:44 Or that, indeed. 22:45 you'll get his wand almost fully charged then 22:45 Meh. 22:45 I had death to spare. 22:45 this time you did lol 22:45 next time? 22:45 I had another wand of death. 22:45 Ah, maybe not next time, indeed. 22:45 My rule is to always keep a couple of full healing potions handy in Gehennom, and if you've been hit three times in a row with illness, drink one immediately 22:46 the unicorn horn is too much of a gamble then. 22:46 Andrio: Good point. Incidentially, holy water also works. 22:46 mm 22:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Rog Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:6232 22:46 I forgot about that~ 22:46 not if you're chaotic 22:46 which all the cool kids are 22:46 B^) 22:46 All the cool serial killers. 22:47 nothing wrong with a bit of murder if your god looks the other way 22:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:6448 22:50 that was a hell of a way to go arahael, don't feel bad about it 22:50 amateurhour: It was an awesome game. 22:51 "You never polymorphed an object" <-- That sure as heck was NOT voluntary. 22:52 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 962066 points, T:66388, poisoned by Demogorgon 22:52 !lastgame Arahael 22:52 amateurhour: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/evilhack/dumplog/1600586690.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Arahael/nethack/dumplog/1601777061.nh.html 22:53 cheated at sokoban 22:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Aldinach, on T:85677 22:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Bar Orc Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1058 22:54 ate meat >:( 22:54 I always eat meat. :-) 22:54 hmm 22:54 * amateurhour faints 22:54 Orc Town 22:54 unlucky 22:54 why are the Orc Town denizens hostile? I'm also an orc 22:55 because they're part of a randomly named tribe and you're an outsider on their turf 22:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:8452 22:57 was hoping for an alter to sac for Cleaver 22:57 guess that's out 23:00 imma break in anyway, for the pillaging 23:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Daemon, on T:86064 23:01 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 72396 points, T:23690, killed by a blast of disintegration 23:02 aww, my pet got killed by a fog cloud 23:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:10355 23:02 there is an altar in orc town though 23:02 unaligned though, right? 23:03 I don't think you can even convert those? 23:03 you can 23:03 also you're a chaotic orc and there's loads of orcs 23:03 oh right 23:03 sac my own race, auto chaotic 23:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] klintos (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed spellbook of identify", on T:39335 23:04 actually not sure about same race sac on unaligned 23:04 to the wiki! 23:04 <@plisp> oh noo 23:04 <@plisp> great run nevertheless 23:05 <@plisp> crap Yeenoghu got summoned too? 23:06 well, got a hill orc to leave a corpse on the altar 23:07 plisp: Indeed! 23:07 for science 23:07 the wiki specifies that unaligned altars *in gehennom* cannot be converted 23:07 so, #yolo 23:07 for science! 23:07 hmm it is still unaligned 23:07 and I summoned Yeenoghu 23:07 <@plisp> just check the source code 23:07 <@plisp> oh rip 23:07 but he's peaceful 23:07 plisp: Next time I'll wack Orcus imediately with a rubber duck. 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law), 503 points, T:1884, killed by a sewer rat, while helpless 23:07 ah okay, so science has taught us that same race sac doesn't convert unaligned 23:08 you can definitely ordinary sacrifice to convert it fwiw 23:08 <@plisp> I remember on my first encounter 23:08 [hdf-us] [nh343] klintos (Tou Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:39490 23:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 23 points, T:10, killed by a falling rock 23:08 <@plisp> I walked across the map whilst being harassed 23:09 <@plisp> very stressful and dumb in retrospect 23:09 <@plisp> how does one get hold of a rubber chicken like that tho 23:09 <@plisp> you'd need a spare wish to be certain 23:10 they're not that rare 23:10 <@riker> revgeno can work too 23:10 because science is repeatable I sacced another orc 23:10 summond Juiblex 23:10 also peaceful 23:10 <@plisp> great 23:10 <@riker> that's amusing 23:10 Yeah, this is a common and easy way to get demon princes out of your hair (and also peaceful) 23:10 Can summon a foocubus that way, too. 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Peregrinator, on T:11751 23:11 Basically you just need not-an-o to sacrifice 23:11 hmm, if I die here this will be one geh of a bones level 23:11 <@riker> the amusing part is that they're in hell umbire 23:11 <@plisp> ah revgeno 23:11 They said Orctown 23:11 not Orcus Town 23:11 Common blunder, that 23:11 <@riker> ah whoops my bad 23:11 <@riker> > the wiki specifies that unaligned altars in gehennom cannot be converted 23:12 also lol orcs in Gehennom 23:12 <@riker> interpreted that as "I'm in gehennom" 23:12 this is an unaligned altar not in gehennom 23:12 so I took that as hope that I could convert it 23:12 apparently no 23:12 We know, Rikes is saying his misread. 23:12 <@plisp> oh wait 23:12 <@plisp> you can convert that one 23:12 And you can, just not with-same race sacrifice. 23:12 you can convert it, just not with orcs 23:12 which science has just determined 23:12 Also I think unaligned same-race sac tanks your luck. 23:12 <@plisp> but same-race is good anyways for chaotic 23:13 Idk how that balances out though. 23:13 🤔 23:13 <@plisp> oh you lose luck on unaligned 23:13 so orc town mondo sucks if you're an orc then I guess 23:13 I know that, but how much do you get from same-race sac as chaotic? 23:13 Your sacrifice is consumed in a burst of flame! You sense a conflict between Set and Moloch. You feel the power of Set increase. The altar glows black. 23:13 +2? 23:13 woooo 23:13 nice one Menchers 23:14 a jaguar showed up and was nice enough to step on the altar for me 23:14 I mean it's not horrendously bad, given you just need any one non-o corpse 23:14 Set likes luxury cars I guess 23:14 <@plisp> that only happens at coaligned altars 23:14 Not too difficult in practice, just the whole "don't get bodied before then" thing 23:14 <@plisp> so the alignment bonus probably isn't worth the luck loss 23:15 <@plisp> haha now you can start saccing orcs 23:15 I mean sacrificing runs up your luck anyway so :B 23:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 26036 points, T:12515, killed by a chameleon imitating a minotaur 23:16 Pain and hurt. 23:16 ouch 23:16 !lastgame MHL 23:16 <@plisp> damn chameleons 23:16 Umbire: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/MHL/nethack/dumplog/1601950826.nh.html 23:16 the only orcs left are peaceful 23:17 Iffy gamble there, gave it time to turn into the exact worst thing you could run into at that point. 23:18 <@plisp> the mimic turns into an arch-lich! 23:18 Hindsight bias ofc but I'd give the shifter priority and fry him ASAP 23:18 Lightning wand in the bag too 23:21 I soooo want to start another game tonight... 23:22 so do it 23:22 Ofc, dunno how low they were on HP already to die after one hit so 23:22 Do it~ 23:22 Get revenge~ 23:23 Andrio: On Demogorgan? Nah, I think it's his nature, I can't find it in my heart... 23:25 blessed +0 dwarvish iron helm, blessed +1 orcish helm 23:25 these seem pretty equivalent :P 23:25 The orcish helm is less susceptible to rust. 23:26 oh? ok 23:26 <@riker> it is not 23:26 <@riker> do not trust these lies 23:27 Objection! 23:27 lol 23:27 BUC-testing all the armor that came off these orcs 23:28 then wear-testing the non-cursed stuff 23:29 so, rusty armour has its AC bonus reduced until it becomes zero, but only before the enchantment bonus is added. 23:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] bebing (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:5299 23:29 An orcish helm has a worse base AC than the dwarvish iron helm, so rust can't affect it as much. 23:29 <@riker> ah, didn't realize that andrio - I thought you were making a joke because the dwarf one has "iron" in the name 23:29 <@riker> my bad 23:30 ah, sorry. 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 14462 points, T:9596, killed by a killer bee, while sleeping 23:31 <@riker> no you were right there lol 23:32 sacced a few things, got some four leaf clovers… 23:32 I wore an elvish helm. A bit nicer imho because you can enchant it further, and doesn't rust. 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] bebing (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 8260 points, T:5434, killed by an invisible soldier 23:32 They do burn though, so I guess it can go either way. 23:33 A pity there isn't a good iPad version of nethack. 23:33 (I think limited primarily by the lack of a good keyboard for it) 23:35 [hdf-au] [nh370] plisp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:22202 23:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 693 points, T:1941, killed by a rothe 23:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] plisp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) wished for "2 uncursed scrolls of genocide", on T:22390 23:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] plisp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:22393 23:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1168 points, T:2166, killed by a little dog 23:44 [hdf-au] [nh370] plisp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Enchantress, on T:22716 23:46 WISH 23:46 ;o 23:46 sooo 23:47 blessed +2 fireproof speed boots? blessed fixed +2 gray dragon scale mail? 23:47 What alignment and role? 23:48 chaotic barb 23:48 Consider the Master Key of Thievery then. 23:48 what's that do 23:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] ezion (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by naming Sting, on T:1207 23:48 It gives half physical damage, teleport control and warning. 23:48 wow ;o 23:48 But it'll also blast you when you touch it. 23:48 I'm low on health :/ 23:48 It can be invoked to disarm container traps. 23:49 oof... 23:49 how low? 23:49 19 23:49 You'd probably die, then... 23:49 GDSM, speed boots, maybe GoP… 23:50 Gray dragon scale mail would be good then. Speed boots would be good too, though you're likely fast already. 23:50 What race? 23:51 thinking what's most likely to make me survive the next few hundred turns :P 23:51 orcish 23:51 Is there any major threat in the next few hundred turns? 23:51 I do have mith 23:51 not really 23:51 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:51 Menchers: Got reflection? 23:51 no 23:51 Done soko? 23:51 not yet 23:52 Blegh, wish is too early. :( Maybe wish for a source of reflection, then. GDSM has reflection, doesn't it? 23:52 <@banjoe> nup 23:52 gray is MR 23:52 silver is reflect 23:52 Ah. 23:53 <@banjoe> each type of dsm only conveys one resist 23:53 MR is also essential. 23:53 <@banjoe> reflection is also good 23:53 <@banjoe> actually both are basically essential 23:53 <@banjoe> i usually go with sdsm 23:53 <@plisp> MR is not essential early game I've found 23:53 Maybe go for the MR, then, because soko has a 50% of reflection? 23:53 <@plisp> as long as you don't step on polymorph 23:54 <@banjoe> cos funny game spawns dwarf swarm with magic missiles 23:54 <@banjoe> yeah but if you have sdsm anyway 23:54 <@banjoe> if you step onto polymorph you turn into dragon 23:54 <@banjoe> which can be pro 23:54 Unless you care about your cloak of magic resistance. 23:54 or protection. 23:54 <@banjoe> i ascended with about -14 ac 23:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Bar Orc Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 very holy very burning gray dragon scale mail", on T:3963 23:55 <@banjoe> oh well 23:55 * arahael feels jealous of Orc players and their bountiful sources of MR and reflection. 23:55 <@banjoe> gl 🙏 23:55 <@banjoe> wait this isnt vaniall nethack 23:55 "very burning"? :D 23:55 aww, it's +0 23:56 <@plisp> very holy very burning but not greased :p 23:57 <@plisp> Andrio: with MR cloak you wouldn't have to worry at all no? 23:57 oops missed that 23:57 damn, wielded some cursed arrows on accident 23:58 <@banjoe> thats a rip 23:58 <@banjoe> only necessary intrinsics are reflection, magic resis, poison, and fire 23:58 <@banjoe> everything else can just be beat to death 23:59 <@plisp> mr/reflection aren't intrinsic 23:59 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 129 points, T:461, caught themself in their own fireball 23:59 <@plisp> you might want cold too for 'nom