00:09 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:13 !who 00:13 K2: [hdf-us] Grouchy [evil] tinklebear [nh370] Menche [nh370] nekochan [spl] Som [dnh] KaiHerd [nh343] phollenback [fh] | [hdf-eu] Raisse [nh370] | [hdf-au] No current players 00:13 soup K2 00:13 o/ 00:13 * aoei woke early today 00:14 I went to a fleamarket at 7 am yesterday and forgot to change my alarm so I still had one set for 5 lol 00:14 early 00:14 ya is quite early 00:14 its still only 6:15 here lol 00:15 * aoei goes to make more tea 00:15 !tea 00:15 * Beholder delivers aoei a cup of Earl Grey tea, fermented by Athame at 183 degrees Fahrenheit. 00:15 mmm, i love Early Grey! 00:16 fermented earl grey? 00:17 not sure if that's a thing, but I've had some fermented tea from china before and it's fucking dope 00:18 isn't fermented tea kombucha 00:18 -!- aoei is now known as ykstort 00:20 -!- ykstort is now known as ykkie 00:23 -!- ykkie is now known as aioe 00:23 -!- aioe is now known as aoie 00:26 -!- aoie is now known as aioe 00:26 -!- aioe is now known as ykkie 00:27 -!- ykkie is now known as aoei 00:34 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2883 00:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3028 00:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Rog Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Burglar, on T:42134 01:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5070 01:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:4435 01:15 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) read a Discworld novel, on T:3611 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:2397 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2585 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 3076 points, T:5038, killed by a leocrotta 01:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Oracle, on T:19942 01:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4498 01:29 -!- Agrius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 01:30 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Car Chn Fem Law), 642 points, T:1960, dismembered by Ms. Upernavik; the shopkeeper 01:30 -!- misha has quit [Quit: leaving] 01:31 -!- misha has joined #hardfought 01:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Student of Waters, on T:20688 01:50 -!- nymphet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:59 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:02 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 379 points, T:2554, dispatched by a killer mimic 02:02 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time by mimicking a pile of gold, on T:6689 02:03 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dan Dro Fem Cha), 4 points, T:37, killed by kicking a tree 02:04 [hdf-au] [nh370] PeachMuffin (Pri Hum Fem Cha), 189 points, T:628, killed by a newt 02:06 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 2 points, T:371, killed by a dart 02:29 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:8948 02:29 good run arahael? 02:30 This one is looking decent, yes. 02:30 Yesterday's run was... Weird... The game was full of Xorns. 02:30 huh 02:30 curious 02:30 And I was still in early game - not even past teh big room yet. 02:30 nh370 bug maybe 02:31 Possible, but it's only that one game. It was weird. 02:31 AFAIK that's still the reason for giant spiders in the early game, themed room thing 02:31 but idk if there are themed rooms for xorns 02:31 so maybe not related to that particular thing 02:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:9737 02:44 aoei: A themed room would make sense to have like, a nest of Xorns or something, but this was randomly a xorn on this level, a xorn on that level, and again another xorn... I had 6 xorns overall. 02:45 It wasn't the quest, right? 02:47 yes... that is rather odd 02:48 for some quests its normal but I wouldn't consider the quest early game; arahael said this was early game 02:48 Andrio: Nope, wasn't the quest. 02:48 Xorns shouldn't appear until difficulty 11. 02:49 Except by polymorph. 02:49 and there shouldn't be much polymorph going on til polytraps anyway 02:49 they shouldn't appear until dl8 02:49 Andrio: Ah... I was xp 11. 02:50 yeah xp 11 would probably do it even on relatively early dungeon levels? not sure how the difficulty formula works tho tbh 02:51 Dlvl 11 02:52 The top of Sokoban might reach that difficulty. 02:52 Andrio: doesn't both XL and DL factor into the formula? 02:52 Yes 02:53 That's at experience level 11. 02:53 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 02:54 Andrio: are you sayin XL 11 and DL 11 is one combination sufficient for Xorn to appear? 02:55 Yes. 02:55 okay 02:55 arahael: did xorn appear before that? 02:55 aoei: I cant' remember clearly enough. I _think_ so. 02:56 could check the ttyrecs maybe 02:56 if anyone can be bothered 02:56 You'd think they'd be rarer though. 02:56 Yeah. If. ;) 02:56 arahael: XD 02:56 Silly RNG. 02:56 Andrio: Yep. Come to think of it, I think htere was a polytrap on the first level, which might've been the first Xorn, then I became Xp 11 fairly soon after. 02:56 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3356 02:57 wait what 02:57 there aren't supposed to be polytraps on dl1 02:57 aoei: Not dl1, at all, no. A bit further down, but not quite big room. 02:58 oh 02:58 Past soko. 02:58 yeah dl8 would be fine for polytraps 02:58 i just thought cuz you said first level 02:58 dl1 is the first level :P 02:59 Ah, fair enough. :) "the first level that had Xorns". :) I was lazy. :( 02:59 orite 02:59 makes sense now :d 02:59 ok probably not bug/not worth looking at ttyrecs anyway 03:00 * aoei wonders whether the giant spider theme room thing is fixed on hardfought yet 03:00 Yeah, I dont think it's worth looking at ttyrecs. 03:00 I *think* they already did something about that upstream, can't remember 03:00 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 2084 points, T:3937, sent to the next life by a dwarf zombie 03:01 K2 are you still up and do you know if spider theme rooms is fixed yet, on hdf/upstream? 03:01 aosdict might know 03:01 wait bhaak: you're also devteam, do you know if the spider theme room thing is fixed yet? 03:03 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/999222a8a4c8e432e2f83351d0af673e7aadc9e1 03:03 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 03:03 only 5 days ago 03:03 sweet 03:03 also thanks for finding that Andrio 03:04 i was too lazy to check github :d 03:04 -!- tromix has joined #hardfought 03:05 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 470 points, T:647, killed by a dart 03:06 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Fem Neu), 0 points, T:29, done in by a goblin 03:11 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 466 points, T:739, killed by trying to drink lava 03:11 if it was 5 days ago, it's possible K2 already updated it on hdf 03:13 Yum 03:13 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Wiz Wer Nbn Cha), 137 points, T:183, struck down by a large mimic 03:14 Unix NetHack Version 3.7.0-20 Work-in-progress - last build Wed Jul 1 12:48:20 2020 (816ed5c0aa65729c01ebbef70e499baeb2718493,branch:3.7-hdf). 03:14 ok perhaps not 03:15 I might bug K2 about that, cuz the spiders thing really bugs me 03:16 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Wiz Wer Nbn Cha), 157 points, T:496, slain by a gecko 03:16 altho I checked the above on a game I already had saved on eu.hardfought.org, and the main server if I start a new game gives me this: Version 3.7.0-22 Unix Work-in-progress, built Sep 30 00:58:02 2020. 03:17 which is 5 days ago 03:17 so I guess K2 is on top of shit and saved games keep their old version string? 03:18 yeah. I think at some point he said they were keeping around ~7 versions of nh 3.7 03:18 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Pir Wer Nbn Cha), 76 points, T:242, mowed down by a succubus 03:18 ah okay, makes sense 03:19 I have this ranger game saved at the castle 03:19 but no motivation to play because nh endgame is often rather boring 03:19 well gehennom/late/endgame 03:20 once you beat the castle there's typically not much interesting left if you're not speedrunning or doing weird conducts 03:20 but then i still want to ascend it at some point for the stats 03:22 <@riker> do it for the z score 03:23 I already ascended quite a few rangers so it's not worth that much 03:23 wizards are my worst offender tho 03:24 ascending a wizard is useless to my Z-score now 03:24 but i love them :< 03:25 riker: each one is worth like 1/n right? 03:25 or is the formula slightly more complicated. i forget 03:27 <@riker> absolutely no clue 03:34 the description on tnnt page on hardfought website sounds like it's just the sum of 1/(n_i) where n_i is the range from 1 to the total number of ascensions of that role 03:34 so in other words what i said a minute ago 03:35 damn 03:36 Demo's 1 rank above me in overall Z-score 03:36 bastard 03:37 variant ascensions are more valuable than anything else by far, in Z-score terms 03:38 current ranger would give me 0.16 additional Z-score 03:39 a ranger in any variant would give me a whole point 03:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Lin (Sam Hum Fem Law), 856 points, T:1189, killed by a dart 03:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:10792 03:45 THE BIG ROOM! 03:48 With a poly trap that the monsters are deliberatly using... Lovely... 03:50 aoei: nao z-scores (https://alt.org/nethack/zscore-current.php) have tariru at #3, so I wouldn't put too much stock by them 03:55 moon-child: y u hatin on Treeru 03:59 ? I'm not 04:00 I mean, he's not at #1 04:01 and the 3.4.3 list has tariru and stth near the top, but no adeon or marvin 04:02 ah okay 04:03 I misread your point 04:03 moon-child: y u still up tho 04:03 what time is it in canadia 04:03 it is unfortunate that I cannot comment at this time 04:04 not sure i understand 04:04 but dw 04:04 moon-child: hey you are #7 on the nao list tho! 04:05 do you mean that you, unfortunately, do not know why you are still up? 04:07 no that's not me that's Elron 04:07 I'm Elronnd 04:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:24295 04:34 moon-child: I know, I was trying to upset you by making reference to the nick you wanted 04:34 I'm a horrible person :c 04:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 04:43 -!- elenmirie has joined #hardfought 04:47 I'm thinking of genociding goldan naga's. 04:47 just get an MR source 04:47 they're a pushover if you have MR 04:47 revgeno gray dragons instead 04:48 aoei: Soko only had a BoH. :( 04:49 I do have a wand of death, though... 04:50 arahael: hm. do you have telepathy, see invis or monster detection 04:50 i guess other problem if you 04:50 re already getting golden N in your game is they are quite fast 04:50 aoei: I'm a monk, those aren't a problem. 04:50 so you cant easily run away from them, and their spells are nasty if they get in melee range 04:51 And it seems to have cursed my BoH (Which I've now dumped, etc). 04:51 ouch 04:51 Had to move everything to my spare BoH! 04:51 Robe's gone too. 04:51 if you *can* cursed geno, scroll of scare monster + a very small room will suffice to stop gray dragons breathing at you 04:52 you could artificially make such a room using earth scrolls 04:52 I can cursed geno. 04:52 have you already escaped the golden N? 04:52 oh but as a monk GDSM is also not ideal 04:52 Yeah, unfortunately. I want to go back out through that level. 04:52 bah 04:52 tho it might be preferable to the alternatives til you get the eyes 04:53 and you can figure out a backup source of MR later for rodney time 04:53 I've only got St 15. 04:53 Though, hmm. Can I fight in GDSM? 04:53 I don't have a scroll of scare monster, though. 04:54 this is the thing, it causes problems for monks unarmed combat 04:54 don't remember exactly the penalties 04:54 with max luck, high xl and luckstone it's sorta okay 04:54 Hmm, it's probably not good for me, then. 04:54 not maxed your luck yet? 04:54 if you have, you might be alrigth 04:55 alright* 04:55 Luck's actually one of the things I've never quite figured out. 04:55 Luck is often somewhat overrated (in my view) 04:56 but it *is* good for offsetting large to-hit penalties 04:56 like with two-weaponing (especially at unskilled/basic), or the -20 to-hit (IIRC) penalty for fighting unarmed as a monk wearing body armour 04:56 Hmm. 04:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Brigand, on T:14454 04:58 This bones might be a stroke of luck... 04:58 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:35886 04:59 No damn robe. :( 04:59 for what it's worth, #nethack-dev has the commits and github issues and pull requests posted 05:00 oh cool bhaak 05:00 thanks for the info 05:00 aoei: Bones had a "cursed leather cloak", though! 05:01 That's probably the bare minimum MC, at least? 05:01 Not MR, though. 05:02 erm yeah probably MC1 or something 05:02 check the wiki 05:02 better than no cloak 05:02 can you at least uncurse it? 05:03 I wanted to make more water, but I should probably get the holy water started. 05:03 There's a '3' near this altar, which is concerning. 05:03 eep 05:03 Oh, I have an oilskin cloak which is uncursed, nice. 05:03 MC2, that one. 05:03 yay! 05:03 very good 05:04 Doesn't help my spellcasting, but. 05:05 Ah, the '3' is a "titanothere". 05:05 Easy to kill. 05:05 Useless to sac, though. Can't lift it. 05:06 unless you can kill it when its standing on the altar 05:06 i try to lure huge monsters to the altar for that sometimes 05:07 Yeah, I didn't want to take my chances, though. 05:07 fair enough 05:07 Ice troll! From a wand of create monster. :) Going to offer it... 05:07 YAY 05:08 thats a decent value sac 05:08 "You have a hopeful feeling". 05:14 Two ogre kings later, many snakes... "A feeling of reconciliation"! 05:15 Not good enough for praying, I think. 05:15 "You sense a faint wave of psychic energy" :( 05:16 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 05:16 IIRC reconciliation is prayer timeout now 0 05:16 but check wiki before acting on stuff randos on IRC tell you 05:16 just in case :D 05:16 :) I think wiki says it's "not quite zero". 05:17 Oh, wow, just realised that my Amulet of Guarding makes my AC even better. 05:17 wrong 05:17 a "hopeful feeling" means it is still positive, "reconciliation" means you just made it zero. 05:17 from wiki ^ 05:17 Nice. 05:17 going for a stroll, gl arahael 05:17 back lata 05:17 Yep, looks like I misread it. 05:17 aoei: Enjoy your walk! 05:25 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (class h), on T:15060 05:26 * arahael feels very, very, very evil. 05:26 What the h? 05:27 Andrio: I wiped out everything that is represented by 'h'. 05:27 Andrio: Including, in particular, the mind flayer that was 4 squares away from me, and I had no helm. 05:28 I did have a dunce cap but didn't think it would have made it safe to melee attack it. 05:45 mm 05:45 In 3.7.0, it would have been safe. 05:48 I didn't want to forget my discoveries, however. 05:49 It doesn't have that effect any more, and the dunce cap stops your intelligence from changing and stops you from dying due to brainlessness 05:49 Ah, good to know for next time. What about master mind flayer? 05:49 same with them; they just have more attacks. 05:50 Cool. 05:51 I still have another scroll of geno anyway - cursed, at the moment, though. Leaving it cursed for now. 05:51 mm~ 05:52 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 06:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 244 points, T:466, killed by a hobbit 06:59 Do any shields have MR? 07:08 -!- Muadd has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2204 07:14 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 1376 points, T:2347, killed by a small mimic 07:16 -!- Muad has joined #hardfought 07:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:37989 07:27 -!- k-man has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:28 No 07:35 aoei: [backscroll] the thing to be wary of in #nethack-dev is that when someone closes an issue or pull request, Announcy will announce an old issue or pull request like it's new 07:35 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 07:52 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 07:52 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:54 I'm trying to find a luckstone in mines end. 07:54 However, I have found one... But it's in a corner, I can't kick it or do anything with it - how can I safely pick it up? 07:54 I haven't identified the loadstone. 07:55 -!- k-man has joined #hardfought 07:57 safely pick it up by having an uncursing method handy 07:58 even prayer, if you want 07:58 yeah autopickup is what i do, but if it's loadstone have a way to uncurse 07:58 isn't there like a grappling hook or something ? I've never done that tho 07:59 oh i thought you were worried about the teleport trap 08:00 wait to find the other gray stone first I think 08:00 see if you can kick that one 08:03 dammit i wished for dragonbane and a player monster came... gave me a really good fight. I probably should have died, but i almost had her dead and she zapped digging ugh 08:04 now i'm going to have to chase her til that wand is cashed out. i'm going to zap sleep if i get a turn maybe she doesn't have the resitance 08:05 I tend to wish in soko because of that 08:05 yeah i forgot they can come with dragonbane 08:05 it's never happened and i've wished for it a lot 08:06 this would be a good time for those 'wand of expelliarmus' ideas 08:07 The wand of digging flies out of the player monster's hand! 08:07 it would be hilarious to disarm with a wand 08:08 Hmm. 08:09 I suppose ensuring I have holy water should be sufficienet, then. 08:09 hah sleep wand worked 08:09 couldn't find the other gray stone arahael? 08:10 amateurhour: Found flint and two touch stones. 08:10 which mines end variant do you have? playing on public server? 08:11 oh the catacombs, there isn't a loadstone in that one 08:11 You found my game? 08:12 yeah on au 08:12 Ah, yep - easy, then, so this is the catacombs, then. 08:13 !rng work on xnh | work on tnnt 08:13 aosdict: work on xnh 08:13 if you picked up flint in the teleporting closets 08:13 then the one in that secret larger room is the luckstone 08:13 well since you twist my arm, Beholder... 08:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2437 08:14 amateurhour: Ah, good to know - I'll just pick it up then - after making these holy water potions... 08:15 catacombs is the best if you're a spellcaster 08:15 Why's that? 08:15 (And I am) 08:15 are you playing unspoiled arahael? 08:16 there's spellbooks. it's dangerous though. couple vampires 08:16 rebatela: I'm playing on 3.7.0, not sure what you mean by "unspoiled". 08:16 Yeah, a bunch of spellbooks. 08:16 loads of spellbooks and scrolls yeah 08:16 and thankfully no chance of a minotaur being there anymore lol 08:17 i just meant, you don't appear to be relying on wiki (which is very cool ) 08:17 oh yeah i forgot about the minotaur 08:17 though the guaranteed V is still pretty nasty really 08:17 yeah i believe it's 2 V's 08:17 rebatela: Ah, honestly, I do use the wiki, but I don't try to _rely_ on it too much, if that makes sense. 08:17 makes total sense 08:17 And there were at least 2 V's. I'm relatively high level though. 08:17 oh nice. they are the hardest thing. just watch out for traps if you don't have MR 08:18 I have been absolutely unable to find MR. :( 08:18 gotta watch out for polytraps then 08:18 eh who has MR by the time they get to mines end? 08:18 it's more a matter of where than if 08:18 I don't typically get MR till I've done the quest lol 08:18 well, wizards do for starters 08:18 -!- k-man_ has joined #hardfought 08:19 they're a monk rebatela 08:19 I'm a lawful monk. 08:19 nice 08:19 the best role 08:19 that's what i play 08:19 you don't want to lose that robe to a polytrap... 08:19 teammonk in full force in this channel today 08:19 i'm playing a lawful giant monk in evil 08:19 -!- k-man has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Warden Arianna, on T:36401 08:20 and yeah, I probably won't have MR til the quest 08:20 I could go for the amulet in soko ,but if i get reflection i'll be pissed now that i have dragonbane and knowing there's a marker or BoH i passed on 08:20 rebatela: I've already lost the robe a few times in this game. :( Damned golden nagas. 08:21 still worth going for the amulet imo 08:21 oh wow you went far enough that a naga cast destroy armor? 08:21 how did you replace the robe? polypile? wishes? kill the priest? 08:21 rebatela: Bones. 08:21 ohhhh nice 08:22 amateurhour: of course going for the amulet is the RIGHT move lol. Doesn't mean i'll do it 08:22 I wouldn't waste a wish on a robe, though. I'd get the "oR. 08:22 not got reflection either? 08:22 risky run 08:22 catacombs can be dangerous 08:23 in the games I had where that was a thing I just blazed it straight to the castle 08:23 the amulet of mr can be polypiled for if I find poly 08:23 amateurhour: I've been *unable* to get any reflection. 08:23 or I will just grind until lvl 14 and do quest for eyes 08:24 no more purple L in the castle, so just gotta watch out for nagas 08:24 I went as far as lvl20. 08:24 No freaking reflection or wand of polys. 08:25 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 08:26 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:25917 08:26 gratz 08:26 Well, that's one way to ensure it's the luckstone. ;) 08:26 I suppose it's straight up to the altar now. 08:27 Or what do I *do* with the luckstone anyway? I do have enlightenment. 08:27 Potion, I think that is. 08:27 keep it in open invent 08:28 it stops your luck changing naturally over time, so if you have positive luck it'll stay positive and not eventually go down to 0 08:28 you probs want to bless it 08:28 Hmm. 08:29 I'm giong to BUC it. 08:29 other than that it doesn't 'do' anything. Just don't let it get cursed (good reason to bless it right there) 08:29 it'll be uncursed 08:29 it will be uncursed now 08:29 Ok, so I won't BUC it, I'll BUC everything else! 08:30 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:31 OOh, nice attributes, just zapped myself with the wand of enlightenment. :) 08:34 have you ever fought master kaen before? 08:36 -!- Menchers has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 08:37 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 08:39 No. 08:39 And it won't be tonight - getting tired. 08:39 you should read the wiki article and ask questions before you go in imo 08:39 -!- k-man__ has joined #hardfought 08:39 because he's really strong and rather deadly 08:40 -!- k-man_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 08:40 I've heard! 08:40 I've also heard that some things are different in 3.7.0 as well 08:40 yeah, scare monster doesn't work 08:41 I do have a wand of death, btw, but don't know if that should be used. I'm scared of getting that reflected back onto me. 08:41 Master Kaen is yummy though. 08:41 wand of death works I think, he doesn't have MR anymore 08:42 but there's a small chance of him having cloak of MR 08:42 Risky, though - unless there just happens to be a closed door behind him... 08:42 Steal it. 08:43 Steal it? 08:44 Steal it?~ 08:44 🙃 08:45 It might be a better plan than eating his brains, which is what I did once. 08:45 there's no doors in his lair if that's what you mean 08:46 or walls or anything 08:47 "Thou shalt pay for thine indiscretion!" - The incubis of Huan Ti appears before you. 08:48 That bothers me to no end. 08:48 Do I need to run, or is he easy to kill? 08:48 Are you male? 08:48 Yep. 08:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 dragonhide T-shirt of decay", on T:38440 08:48 With what level and equipment? 08:49 Incubus, rather. 08:49 you can probably just kill them tbh 08:49 Xp 13... And gloved fists. 08:49 Mm 08:49 they're not very strong 08:49 You shouldn't have trouble with him then. 08:49 Awesome. 08:49 Doesn't leave a corpse, would've loved to sac *that*. 08:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:38586 08:50 they're only really problematic if you're surrounded by other things that can kill you 08:50 I actually killed it in one turn. 08:50 and they remove all your gear 08:50 nice~ 08:50 and that only happens if they can seduce you (succubus for male, incubus for female) 08:51 I just get thrown off by the description indicating "major demon". 08:51 something to know is that you can abuse their seduction attack to get attributes and levels 08:51 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:38473 08:52 I agree about kaen- make sure you have a plan 08:52 you can do the rest of the quest for the (little bit of) loot there, but even on that level just above him you have to be careful because there are trap doors 08:53 and i don't think you can teleport out anymore. I could be wrong though. I think i've only fought kaen in 3.7 once 08:53 you can I think 08:53 Right now my *only* issue seems to be no MR. 08:53 you'll get MR from the quest though so don't worry about MR too much 08:54 I'm on my fourth cloak. :( 08:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Garland, on T:39114 08:54 lightning doesn't strike four times :^) 08:54 * arahael mutters 08:55 Does Khan have see-invis? 08:55 * arahael checks the wiki. 08:55 yes :P 08:56 Hmm, and scroll of scare monster is useless? (Which is good as I don't have any, anyway) 08:56 i'm going to respectually disagree with amateurhour and say get MR and do castle first 08:56 Hmm, and my AC is only -2. 08:57 I tend to do the castle first anyway as I'm almost never level 14 before then lol 08:57 but I don't wish for MR there 08:57 heh. exactly. getting to 14 sucks. that's going to be the problem in my current game 08:57 Castle it is, then. Not comfortable with the quest at this stageg. 08:57 you need MR though ! 08:58 you're lawful? wish for magic mirror of merlin. Then you can still wear robe 08:58 [backscroll] aoei - yes 08:59 rebatela: If only I could find a wish! 08:59 it still gives MR in vanilla unlike some games... 08:59 and there will be another update to 370-hdf out today 08:59 K2: That won't interrupt my current game in progress, would it? 08:59 not at all 08:59 Sweet. 09:01 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 09:01 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 197 points, T:184, killed by a bear trap 09:05 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:11 What's this level? It looks like it's all water... Except nethack describes it as "many trees"... 09:13 Medusa's lair? 09:13 Let me wiki that one. :) 09:14 [hdf-us] [spl] Henrique (Dra Chn Mal Law) performed his first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:11200 09:16 Hmm, might be tricky, without reflection. 09:16 arahael: the game has a pretty low standard for "many" 09:16 aosdict: Hilariously. 09:17 you can skip her for now till you have reflection arahael, by digging down 09:17 don't dig right next to a water tile though unless you enjoy sadness 09:17 Lots of water tiles! 09:18 I seem to have found a tiny, tiny room, will dig down there. 09:18 you don't have reflection? 09:19 you need to blind yourself if you go near her it's instadeath 09:19 like don't dig down and go up the stairs without a towel on 09:19 if you see a 5 on warning don't go in there 09:19 Nope, no reflection. 09:19 if you can cross water you might be able to get shield of reflection on medusa's floor 09:19 Oh, dear, so I've dug down. There's a 4 almost next to me. 09:20 Just note: My toughest monster to date has all been 3's. 09:20 got grandmaster martial arts? 09:20 Yes. 09:20 uh oh 09:20 minotaur 09:21 Indeed. 09:21 don't fight it with that ac, run 09:21 I'm invisible, btw. 09:21 what wands you got on you? 09:21 tele? 09:21 I do have a tele, yes. 09:21 digging? 09:21 No digging. My only digging resource is spell. 09:21 That's why my power is so low. 09:21 might be worth zapping death or tele at that mino honestly 09:22 What if death reflects? 09:22 I have other wands in the BoH. 09:22 sleep works too i think. they don't have reflection. it could miss tho 09:23 not that many things reflect fwiw 09:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:40073 09:23 unless you mean wall behind it? 09:23 Yeah, I worry about the walls. :) 09:23 oh i see.. yeah the death zap could hit you 09:23 tele wand is safer if you don't know how far that corridor goes I guess 09:23 Do I need to eat the minotaur? 09:23 Woo! My first wand of digging! 09:23 I usually play vegan so I would say absolutely not lmao 09:24 Heh, so they're not like, a Troll. 09:24 yeah, they stay dead typically 09:24 I'll eat the tiger, then. Get some food. 09:25 There's another 4... Might be another minotaur. 09:25 usually you start seeing dragons around then too 09:25 imo I'd just dig down at this point 09:25 get to the castle 09:25 these mazes are lame and dangerous 09:26 Nagzul! 09:27 andrio: what happened when you ate Master kaen? 09:28 amateurhour: Having dug down from the maze, is it safe to get back up, or just ignore it? 09:29 just remember if you go back up, not to go to medusa's lvl without towel/blindfold because you come up right next to her (and will die) 09:29 ^ 09:29 i've YASD that way several times 09:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3039 09:29 it's fine to go up/down as much as you like just be aware of where medusa is 09:30 amateurhour: Will make a note: "Many trees is where the danger is". ;) 09:30 If I get a wish - there's a throne room here I think - if I get a wish, what should it be? Because right now it's very likely to end up being mirror of merlin or "oR. 09:30 yeah i usually #annotate the level below 09:31 imo amulet of reflection 09:31 it's easy to forget and go up the stairs and dywypi 09:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Anshar, on T:39112 09:31 there ya go anshar 09:32 mmm 09:32 is it a chaotic artifact or can anyone get it in sacrifice? I had to wish :( 09:33 I'm playing Illithid, so really need to wear power gloves. 09:33 right 09:33 It's unaligned 09:33 Ugh, Genetic Engineer. 09:33 so with enough patience anyone can get it 09:33 don't let him touch you 09:34 Wonder if I should death him. 09:34 Only four charges in this wand, though. 09:34 rebatela, he was yummy. 09:34 Though he is also cannibalism of course. 09:34 you'll get another wand of death from orcus and can recharge wand of death 09:35 Death'ing him, then. 09:36 So disgustingly easy: You kill the genetic engineer! You kill it! The death ray hits it! You kill it! 09:36 [hdf-us] [spl] Henrique (Dra Chn Mal Law), 13668 points, T:13377, eliminated by an ape 09:36 yeah, the spell is even more fun lol 09:37 you can recharge death wands multiple times in vanilla too 09:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:4461 09:38 * arahael weeps, because he wishes he had reflection. :( 09:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3300 09:40 well you'll have a wand of wishing soon :) 09:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Mal Cha), 4213 points, T:4480, killed by a werewolf 09:41 dig down to escape imo 09:41 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 09:41 Yeah, I've run out of space. 09:41 think this is the castle 09:42 Nice. This is my first time, anything I should know? 09:42 do you have a musical instrument? 09:43 Don't think so, let me check. 09:43 nice 09:43 I have a flute! 09:44 What's the flute for? 09:44 alrighty, so this strategy might be a little cheesy, but you can use that flute to kill everything with the bridge 09:44 but as your ac is so bad I think it's gotta be the way to go 09:44 Yeah? 09:44 the castle has a drawbridge that opens/closes when you play the 'passtune' 09:44 like a musical password 09:45 No idea what that tune is. 09:45 yeah you find out by playing a puzzle game called mastermind 09:45 or cheat at it with an online solver 09:45 it's only cheating if you think it is 09:46 only degenerates would cheat using http://nethack.gridbug.de/mm.html 09:46 don't visit http://nethack.gridbug.de/mm.html to find out the password 09:46 You god is supposed to give you the passtune. dafuq are you guys talking about? 09:46 :^) 09:46 amateurhour: Ah, nice. 09:46 Yeah, I'll probably do the mastermind thing, it's a nice game. 09:46 anyways if you've never interacted with the drawbridge before 09:46 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:46 you should know it's the source of many YASDs 09:47 Always smash the drawbridge when you're done with it. 09:47 drawbridges r dangerous 09:47 I have dozens of ascensions and have never once used played the tune (i just realized this) 09:47 Interesting. :( 09:47 if you're on the drawbridge and something zaps striking, you're dead 09:47 lifesaving is useful 09:48 yeah if you look at the high scores, some great characters have been crushed by drawbridge 09:48 sometimes you think you cleared the whole castle and then something comes out and hits you with the zappy ray of sadness 09:48 I had several level 30 monks in dnh get splatted by drawbridges in June lol (I am not smart) 09:49 Sometimes you actually have cleared it, and then find a random Grey-elf with a wand of striking spawned there. 09:49 there was a day where myself and a junethack teammate both splatted on a drawbridge within like 30 mins of eachother lol 09:49 wands of striking are common at the castle 09:49 oof~ 09:49 Hmm, so what now? 09:50 read the article about the castle imo to see the diagram of where's safe to stand when playing the passtune 09:50 Puzzle time. 09:50 you don't want to open the drawbridge on your head 09:50 you'll probably want to kill the moat's monsters 09:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) made his first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5441 09:51 A "nights move". 09:51 arahael: do you have levitation> 09:51 ? 09:51 hothraxxa: I do, but not wearing it - it's a ring and I prefer other rings. 09:51 standing next to the moat you shold wear it in case of eels 09:52 if an eel grabs you removing it surprises it and it will release you 09:52 of course you should be over dry ground 09:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:5475 09:53 also you don't want to mistype into the moat 09:54 eg you get confused and move before you notice 09:55 How do I do this mastermind thing? I get a "strange sound"? 09:55 Is there a limit of how many times I can use it? 09:55 you want to not improvise 09:55 You gotta play five notes between A and G. 09:56 I've done AAAAA, and BBBBB, both got strange sounds. I guess I'll do CCCCC now. 09:56 A gear turning means you got one of the notes right; a tumbler click means you have the right note in the wrong time 09:56 Ah! 09:56 So, DDDDD's has one. 09:56 Nice. 09:57 EEEEE's has one. :D 09:57 FFFFF's has TWO! Exciting. 09:57 So now I need to figure out the order. 09:57 every time I discover the passtune I go play it on my keyboard and see what the best rhythm for it sounds like 09:57 aosdict: Is this a bad time to mention I'm deaf? ;) 09:58 irl or in game 09:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:42485 09:58 irl! 09:58 so was beethoven 09:58 well, you can still use Beethoven's trick of biting a metal rod 09:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:6080 09:59 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:6114 09:59 amateurhour: Meh, debatable. 10:00 aosdict: And actually I can't - I'm deafer than that. :) 10:00 everyone talks about his symphonies but noone ever talks about his rap and mc career as Beat Hoven, why is that? 10:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 15413 points, T:5726, killed by an ogre lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:06 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1080 points, T:1823, killed by a gnome 10:07 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) wished for "the blessed +2 Green Dragon Crescent Blade", on T:131700 10:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:39686 10:11 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:7221 10:11 Drawbridge down! And no cheating. 10:11 great! 10:11 Though I did use a text editor. 10:11 now raise it again 10:11 you don't need to have remembered the passtune, your character knows it now 10:11 Woah. :) 10:12 I guess I just keep doing that repeatedly? 10:12 take that demilich! 10:12 yeah 10:12 it's cheesy but it works, and as your ac is really bad atm and no reflection or MR I think this is the way to go 10:13 Doesn't damage Xorns, was wondering about them. 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 305 points, T:722, killed by a giant bat 10:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:6 10:17 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 10:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 350 points, T:488, killed by a dagger 10:18 watch out for the shark approaching arahael 10:19 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 10:19 amateurhour: Thanks :) 10:19 -!- k-man has joined #hardfought 10:20 -!- k-man__ has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:22 Ok, I think I'm finally done. How do I "destroy" the drawbridge? 10:22 zap striking at it, but I wouldn't yet 10:22 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 10:22 there may be more soldiers further in 10:22 such as that one lol 10:22 I see, yep. :) 10:22 But by "zap striking at it", you just mean through the uh, doorway? 10:22 warning doesn't have huge range 10:23 yeah, stay away from it when you do as it could hit you with chains 10:23 but honestly I don't usually bother doing that... 10:23 and it's not bitten me yet... 10:23 * amateurhour has now jinxed themself 10:23 there may be more soldiers derping around in barracks within there 10:24 electric eel approaching too, dangerous 10:25 those are all soldiers in the barracks 10:25 Looks like some have see invis. 10:26 invisibility isn't perfect, I don't think they do have see invis 10:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 634 points, T:1130, killed by a magic missile 10:32 btw arahael pick up one of the bugles that they drop if you don't have a horn, it works as a scare tool 10:33 amateurhour: Eh? I do have a unicorn horn, but how do you mean? 10:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 482 points, T:990, killed by a hobbit 10:34 a horn as in a tooled horn or fire horn etc 10:34 not unicorn horn 10:34 it'll be useful later on in the planes 10:35 Ok, I've picked up a bugle. 10:35 Just the one? 10:35 I suppose now I should sit on that throne? 10:35 One problem: If I get a wish... What should I wish for? :/ 10:36 lol there's a wand of wishing on this floor 10:36 and you're worried about a single throne wish 10:36 Haha. :) 10:36 :P 10:36 Mirror of Merlin, then. 10:37 Or... Possibly... Gauntlets of Power... 10:37 well you're about to get 4+ wishes lol 10:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:45975 10:38 the doors to the north and south of you now lead to corridors, which each lead to two rooms 10:38 one of those 4 rooms has a chest with the wand in 10:38 -!- sebastiantoby has joined #hardfought 10:38 there's a few soldiers in the corridors 10:38 but nothing scary 10:38 This is my fourth throne... None have had wishes so far. 10:38 Crappy insight. 10:39 Yep, that was it. 10:39 ayyyy 10:39 :P 10:39 Noooo! Not the ring! 10:40 I checked, but not well enough, apparently. 10:40 don't worry about it, go get the wand! 10:40 I guess I'll wish for the stupid ring! 10:40 it's killing me that you've not gone to get it yet lol 10:41 that chest the soldier dropped might have the wand in 10:41 in the corridor 10:41 up up up 10:41 Ok. :) 10:41 that's it 10:42 That looks like it! 10:42 I guess I'll go and e-teset it straight away. 10:42 wish for 2 blessed scrolls of charging if you've not identified charging scrolls yet 10:42 Indeed I haven't. 10:43 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:31766 10:43 maybe id the wand if you have a scroll of id around 10:43 to see how many charges it has 10:44 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:44 could be lucky and it'll be (0:2) at this point 10:44 Just the one potion of holy water. 10:45 don't need to bless id, you only want to id the one item 10:45 cursed one will do 10:45 No, cursed ID only self-id's, doesn't it? 10:45 So needs to be non-cursed. 10:45 is that new? 10:45 No? 10:45 because cursed does only one item 10:46 Maybe I was mistaken - what does non-cursed do? 10:46 can do 2 items if luck positive and small chance of more 10:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:40034 10:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 552 points, T:874, killed by a gnome lord 10:47 Ah - cursed *only* identifies one item - and I guess for the first time, that's the self-id. 10:47 I guess I'll read a cursed one then. 10:47 unlucky 10:48 Woah. That was already the last wish. 10:48 at least you remembered to wish for charging as first wish 10:48 or you'd be SOL 10:48 Ha. Indeed. 10:48 <@Joanna> That doesn't sound right to me. I'm like 95% sure you get the seld-id for free always 10:48 charging should hopefully give you a (1:3) wand 10:48 which gives 4 wishes 10:48 the only way a scroll of identify uselessly identifies itself is if you're confused 10:49 aosdict: Ah, that might well have been it. 10:49 amateurhour: Yep, now I have a 1:3 wand. 10:49 do you have any magic markers already? think I saw some in your bag 10:49 amateurhour: Yes, but both of those are from bones. 10:50 got many charges in them? 10:50 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 10:50 No idea. :( 10:50 id? :D 10:50 Dont' even know how many times they've been charged. I could use my last scroll of id on them... 10:50 presumably you could just write more scrolls of id if they have charges, so probs worth it 10:51 Would be better if I could bless that scroll. Ah, but I'm a monk, not a wizard? 10:51 you have 100% chance of writing scrolls you've formally identified 10:51 no matter what role you are 10:51 Ah, good to know! 10:52 Maybe I should make more holy water, I think that's a fountain? 10:52 Yes, it's a fountain. 10:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8718 10:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 153 points, T:199, killed by a gnome lord 10:54 <@Joanna> amateurhour: I left my antique racing bike locked outside my old flat for six months like a muppet and now find it is gone ;-; 10:54 <@Joanna> '81 peugot 10:55 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:55 theft or impound? 10:55 arahael: don't go in there yet 10:55 put on levi ring 10:55 amateurhour: What are you thinking? 10:56 there's a secret door where you were on that wall 10:56 there's a room with some goodies in, there are trapdoors 10:56 Ah, I see. 10:56 <@Joanna> Currently unsure. Talking bicycle not motor incase that wasn't clear. Asked my old flatmate to check with the landlord incase he moved it, but probably got nicked tbh 10:56 don't go down the trapdoors unless you want to go to the valley of the dead right now 10:56 That sounds exciting. 10:57 *arahael promptly jumps down trapdoor* 10:57 so put on levi ring, prepare to kill a few dragons, then check for some loot 10:57 aosdict: Ha. :) 10:57 then use the wand to fill out anything you need imo 10:57 No, I think I need to get reflection first before dealing with dragons. 10:57 they'll be in melee distance so won't breathe at you 10:57 <@Joanna> It was in shit condition but could be valuable refurbished, an antique beauty like that, so definitely attractive to a certain breed of bicycle thief 10:57 but fair enough, wish for "oR :P 10:58 And toss my "oG 10:58 btw that scroll in northeast room is scare monster 10:58 It is, yeah. 10:58 can stand on when doing things like writing enchant armour and enchanting your gear 10:58 Ah, good point. 10:59 I know it's like information spam but speed boots are the real mvp armour piece for a monk 10:59 Hmm, so "oR isn't MR, so still need MR. So it looks like I'll want three things, minimum: "oR, Magic Mirror of Merlin, and Ring of Slow Digestion. 10:59 <@Joanna> s/for a monk// 10:59 <@Joanna> Fixed 11:00 imo with so few wishes at your disposal forget about the mirror 11:00 controversial opinion 11:00 but you'll get MR from the quest so I really don't see the point 11:00 <@Joanna> I agree with amateurhour tbh 11:00 A fairly decent point. 11:01 you don't _need_ slow digestion though it's nice to have 11:01 <@Joanna> Lawful monk doesn't really have any really attractive artiwishes I cna think of 11:01 So: "Blessed fixed amulet of reflecton" and then, yep, "blessed fixed ring of slow digestion". Hmm, I do have a lot of food at the moment, so perhaps should leave that for later. 11:01 <@Joanna> Neutral sure, the Eye 11:01 <@Joanna> Neutral sure, the Eye 11:01 Yeah - Mirror seems to be the main one. 11:02 <@Joanna> Wishing for slow digestion seems to be odd to me 11:02 so imo amulet of reflection, speed boots, maybe gauntlets of power, maybe magic marker 11:02 <@Joanna> > Yeah - Mirror seems to be the main one. < i don't understand the benefit. It boosts one spell 11:02 it only boosts for knight fwiw 11:02 <@Joanna> Who cares? 11:02 <@Joanna> Ok so it literally does nothing then 11:02 Isn't it MR? 11:02 it's for slotless mr and telepathy that other roles wish for it 11:03 Yeah, MR and pretty good telepathy. 11:03 Also, it's light. 11:03 <@Joanna> Not worth a wish 11:03 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 11:03 Well, I'm going to E-test again for the "oR. 11:03 <@Joanna> Altho you do need to eventually get backup mr 11:04 jonadab: And dragon scale mail isn't goign to be my backup. 11:04 lol you meant Joanna 11:04 they're on discord so not autocomplete for their name 11:04 Indeed. :( 11:05 Does my head in. :) 11:05 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed amulet of reflection", on T:31847 11:05 <@Joanna> Lol 11:05 man your ac is bad 11:05 Yeah, how do I fix that? :( 11:05 <@Joanna> How bad we talking 11:06 Pretty damn bad. 11:06 blessed greased fixed +3 speed boots next imo 11:06 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:06 <@Joanna> Checked caslte stores already? 11:06 No. 11:06 I got this far mostly with a ring of regeneration. 11:06 <@Joanna> Dragons aren't all that tough, and you have reflection now 11:06 they were worried about dragons so wanted reflection asap before checking stores 11:07 My AC is 2. 11:07 <@Joanna> Scare them 11:07 <@Joanna> Range 11:07 Small shield and elven boots are both at least burnt. 11:07 <@Joanna> They might be a bit ouch with melee, but you can probably at least get them out of the way 11:07 How does one "scare them"? 11:07 <@Joanna> What about enchant scrolls etc. 11:07 Apply the bugle? 11:07 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 11:08 <@Joanna> Yeah that'll work 11:08 just wish for the speed boots now imo, sure you'll kick yourself if you find some in that room 11:08 or wait 11:08 <@Joanna> If you lure them out of the tiny room you can scare them 11:08 do you have blessed object detection? 11:08 potion 11:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Trollsbane bestowed upon him by Set, on T:10542 11:08 <@Joanna> I was about to ask if they'd detected objs yet 11:08 No, but I have identified that before. 11:09 <@Joanna> Both cuz you cna get an idea for how many magics there are 11:09 <@Joanna> And secondly you only have to get two dragons out the way 11:09 I don't currently have obj detection. 11:09 <@Joanna> Shame 11:09 I do have gold detection potions though. 11:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1785 11:09 well imo just wish for the speed boots now lol, even if you'd kick yourself a little upon finding some in there 11:10 <@Joanna> Pfffff 11:10 <@Joanna> Well your call arahael 11:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:1621 11:10 Yeah, I was just thinking... It's a real pity there's no altar or something, but I _could_ just swap my small shield with one that's not burnt, and risk the BUC status, and ditto for boots. 11:11 <@Joanna> Dragons are slow tho 11:11 s-shield? 11:11 I haven't identified fumbling though, so that'll be too risky. 11:11 <@Joanna> Yeah shield not good for monk 11:11 <@Joanna> I only just clocked that too 11:11 monks get a huge to-hit bonus from not wearing a shield 11:11 amateurhour: Yeah, thinking of tossing my "very burnt small shield" for one of the solder's "small shields". 11:11 can get away with wearing a shield at higher levels 11:12 nah just get rid of the shield, it's giving you no ac and reducing your to-hit 11:12 No, it was giving me AC, still. 11:12 just the +1 from enchantment 11:12 <@Joanna> Not worth it 11:12 not really worth it 11:12 <@Joanna> IIRC you can't do staggering blow either 11:12 <@Joanna> Or something 11:12 yeah 11:12 Now up to AC:3. 11:13 blessed fixed greased +3 speed boots gogogo 11:13 Yeah, I think that's the sensible option now. 11:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Kni Hum Mal Law), 283 points, T:808, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 11:13 <@Joanna> Are you stealthy and have you genocided L and gold naga 11:13 <@Joanna> You can take gold to valley priest without fighting 11:13 <@Joanna> Get divine protection 11:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1643 points, T:2154, killed by a jaguar 11:14 <@Joanna> Don't waste wishes ;-; 11:14 <@Joanna> There's an altar down there too! 11:14 what're you on about Joanna 11:14 Joanna: Nice idea. Would have to be tomorrow. I still have a cursed scroll of geno but need more holy water. I haven't genocided L or gold naga at this stage, though. 11:15 <@Joanna> You can sneak past the graveyards if you're not ready to fight 11:15 <@Joanna> L will wake them tho 11:15 giving me great anxiety that you're at the wish prompt for so long 11:15 <@Joanna> So it only works if you're genocidal 11:15 [hdf-us] [spl] Henrique (Car Dro Mal Cha), 8 points, T:65, killed by an arrow 11:15 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 speed boots", on T:31875 11:16 "You feel yourself speed up a bit more" - and my AC is back down to 2. I guess I didn't get the +3, perhaps should've done +2. 11:16 well you have magic markers 11:16 Maybe. 11:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:395 11:16 They're bones markers. 11:16 <@Joanna> Enchant scrolls! 11:16 <@Joanna> Oh 11:16 <@Joanna> Uff 11:16 noone carries around useless markers right? 11:17 * amateurhour glances menacingly at everyone 11:17 heh. 11:17 <@Joanna> Sucks you're so short on BUC and holy water 11:17 <@Joanna> Lol amateurhour i throw them out immediately if they're empty 11:17 I have loads of *unholy* water, though! ;) 11:17 me too 11:17 <@Joanna> I can't stand carrying useless items 11:18 I carry a lot of useless items at the moment, typically. Empty wands especially. 11:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 148 points, T:802, killed by a goblin 11:18 Joanna: I *do* have a wand of death, though - for emergencies. 11:18 And now that I have reflection, I don't need to panic each time I consider using it! 11:20 I guess I'll check the "south" wing now. 11:21 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3217 11:21 there won't be anything there really, just normal soldier loot 11:21 btw keep wand in bag if you don't want it destroyed by random lightning 11:21 like your slow digestion ring was 11:21 amateurhour: Ooh, good tip. 11:22 <@Joanna> lost so many great things to careless with box traps 11:22 Joanna: I specifially checked it for traps. ;-; 11:22 <@Joanna> Three times? 11:23 No, just the once! 11:23 <@Joanna> If you checked three times and still got got, verrry unlucky 11:23 <@Joanna> Check three 11:23 tbh I never check 11:23 <@Joanna> Always check thrice 11:23 it's boring to check 11:23 <@Joanna> Tbh it doesn't matter as much if you have max luck 11:23 not gonna spend valuable minutes on this planet checking doors and chests for traps 11:24 <@Joanna> If you do not have max luck leave nothing destructible in mian invent 11:24 <@Joanna> And always check thrice 11:24 Well, I'm retty lucky, with extra luck. 11:24 <@Joanna> Those traps are awful w/o maxed luck 11:24 <@Joanna> But even with you'll occasionally get got if you don't check 11:25 Ther'es the dragons I think - those 4's. 11:25 All in a line. 11:25 secret doors next to them 11:25 Earth Elemental there, too. 11:25 don't forget to put on levi ring for secret room from throne room 11:25 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 11:26 Already on. :) 11:26 Indeed, trap doors. 11:27 uh get back and close the door, don't need to go that far 11:27 the secret doors are in the line of dragons 11:28 Ah, I see. 11:28 <@Joanna> Offline for a while. Good luck arahael. Take care of them amateurhour 11:28 Can't close it. Only the leocratta is a problem. 11:28 Thanks for the help so far Joanna. :) 11:29 is that an ettin or a minotaur 11:29 yeah get back lol 11:29 The latter. 11:29 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 20336 points, T:12141, killed by an ogre, while sleeping 11:29 don't fight it your ac is too bad and they'd win 11:29 stay on that diagonal to fight them 1v1 and you _should_ be fine 11:30 Ha... 11:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1500 11:31 Well, so the "oR was essential. 11:31 only because you scared it lo 11:31 oh well doesn't matter 11:32 the other two rooms probs more interesting than gems and food 11:32 Not a single gem. All worthless glass, and one flint. 11:32 [hdf-us] [spl] Henrique (Pir Wer Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1464 11:33 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 11:33 There you go, "oR is still essential. :) 11:33 unlucky, no tshirt 11:34 well only because you stood in straight line and not diagonal :P 11:34 Ah, I see. 11:34 artifact dagger there, wishing for mirror might have failed anyway 11:34 probs want to check what the helmet is 11:35 don't put it on incase opposite alignment, but it could be helm of brilliance 11:37 there's nothing else worth exploding on the left 11:37 small maze but no downstairs 11:37 Hmm, so what now? 11:38 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:38 so now imo, use your remaining wishes, get ready for the quest 11:38 use markers to enchant all your stuff 11:38 start heading back up, kill medusa 11:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Aspirant, on T:3051 11:38 Hmm. Gotta get back up first, there's still the snakey woman, the one that turns you to stone. 11:38 [hdf-us] [spl] Henrique (Pir Wer Mal Neu) read a Discworld novel, on T:1704 11:38 Yep - Medusa. 11:39 she'll kill herself looking at you 11:39 That's how I like it. ;) 11:39 it's worth wishing for a t-shirt imo 11:39 how many wishes do you have left again, 2? 11:39 1. 11:40 2 because you can use the wand over and over till it wrests a final wish out 11:40 Ah, ok. 11:40 t-shirt and gop maybe? 11:40 I think I'd rather go back up and search everywhere for a shirt instead. 11:40 fair enough 11:40 medusa is still easy in vanilla right? 11:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +3 Grayswandir", on T:18632 11:40 Does GoP really give a huge boost? 11:41 yeah it's pretty baller 11:41 if you blind yourself and go up the stairs. that's actually the way to kill her in vanilla.. 11:41 What about this idea Joanna had with the coins - doesn't the castle have like, a small fortune somewhere? 11:41 unless it's changed 11:41 you're thinking of Fort Ludios arahael 11:42 amateurhour: Ah. 11:42 Your dungeon may or may not have it 11:42 which is located somewhere after dlvl 10 but before medusa IIRC 11:42 if your game has it at all 11:42 [hdf-us] [spl] Henrique (Pir Wer Mal Neu), 1488 points, T:1891, done in by a dwarf 11:42 In which case I don't have it. 11:42 there's a teleporter to it located in a vault 11:42 so you might have missed it 11:42 check all the vaults between 11 and medusa 11:43 those vaults of gold with guards in 11:43 (search for them. gold or object dtect or mapping) 11:43 Ah, ok, yeah, I probably did miss it, there are definitely vaults around. 11:43 [hdf-us] [evil] Henrique (Inf Orc Mal Una), 27 points, T:39, killed by a fox 11:44 what are the odds of ludios ? I'm too lazy to look up. is it more than likely you get it right? 11:44 about 75% 11:44 sounds right 11:44 In any case, I should get to bed soon. It's nearly 3am. 11:44 yikes 11:44 Best game ever. 11:44 sleep well! 11:44 where are you? 11:44 is almost noon here lol 11:44 Sydney, Australia. 11:44 oh nice 11:44 i'm in boston 11:45 you're kicking butt for being a newish player 11:45 i played for years without making to castle lol 11:45 I'm not new. :( Actually been playing for a really, really long time, but I'm not a serious player. 11:45 oh ok 11:45 i didn't mean it like that 11:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Karnac's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:2477 11:45 i played for like 30 years before i ascended so don't feel bad 11:45 I mean, this is my... Second decade? ;) 11:45 But I usually just play it for fun. 11:46 playing a game for fun? madness! 11:46 For example, I *always* play monk. I find monks fun. 11:46 right? lol 11:46 so do we! 11:46 Nice :) 11:46 arahael: you're talking to two people that almost exclusively play monk ol 11:46 :D 11:46 Haha, awesome :) 11:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:5162 11:46 though we disagree on strategy a lot it seems, haha 11:46 So last thing before I get to bed... This drawbridge... How do I get rid of it? 11:46 eh not on everythign 11:47 zap striking/force bolt 11:47 From where the fountain used to be? 11:47 i learn stuff from you amateurhour. different strategies are good! 11:47 just a few safety squares away is fine probably, it can throw chains at you these days I think 11:48 I'm looking forward to tnnt, been ages since I've played vanilla 11:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:2597 11:48 Well, that was very... Uninspiring. The drawbridge is down. I probalby should've crossed it first. ;) 11:48 I think I'll claim the castle for now. :) G'night! 11:48 seeya! 11:48 i'm terrible at tournaments, but i like playing tnnt. I also haven't played vanilla in ages 11:48 night! 11:49 vanilla is going to seem so easy for you now rebatela lol, so much evilhack 11:50 yeah i dunno ya think? it's not like i don't die in evilhack ! 11:50 i like how they are making vanilla harder. there's some evilish changes in 3.7 11:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2502 11:51 there's some nice things that make it easier too though 11:51 amulet of flying, no purple L at castle 11:52 that's true 11:52 one thing i've been wondering is can you eat those amulets of guarding? I tried it in evil and didn't get the ac but i already had over like over 10 divine protection so i wasn't sure if it was just luck 11:53 you can 11:53 nice 11:53 yeah i figured 11:53 i do it with rings sometimes if they are edible and i remember 11:53 and that's the first thing i thought of when i saw they added it 11:55 one of my eh ascensions i had +9 increase damage swallowed. that was helpful 11:55 nice 11:56 i was one shotting lots of things with martial arts 11:56 have you tried dnh yet? monks are amazing in it 11:56 on a little bit. i want to 11:56 only* 11:56 i've read about dnh monks more than i've played 11:57 i have a monk going in splicehack that you just reminded me of. I got a wish and got the Eota but then i got to soko and the levels are inverted or something so i saved 11:57 i need spoilers 11:58 i mean.. i have the regular soko levels memorized but my brain doesn't work like just flip it around 11:58 yeah I get that 11:58 i like how k2 didn't mess with soko in that way 11:59 but if i play dnh monk, will i do ok just playing like it's nethack? it seems too different or something 11:59 but i only know from reading you guys talk about the game. it sound like you're speaking a different language 12:00 yeah you'll do fine 12:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) polymorphed his first item, on T:3625 12:00 I think when I played dnh i was the character than can't eat or something? or eats magic? 12:00 that was nuts 12:00 oh yeah incantifier 12:00 I did human monk in junethack 12:00 but i can just play a human monk and it's like nethack? 12:00 yeah 12:00 word 12:01 you ascend a human monk in june? 12:01 there are new things, but it's a reasonable amount of new things with that 12:01 yeah 12:01 yeah it looks like a ton of fun 12:01 the protection spell is the best thing ever, hope you start with that 12:01 oh i will scum for it now. thanks 12:02 i like my sleep though man. i dunno 12:02 that's cool that he buffed protection though 12:02 makes you less likely to scum. all 3 spells should be equally good for monk 12:02 in evil i would rather have healing or protection because sleep is lvl2 and can't even cast 12:03 buuuut i want to know sleep so that's fine too 12:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a skeleton, on T:4047 12:04 ah ok i have a game going 12:05 version 3.19.1 12:05 is that current? 12:05 i'm in the mines i think 12:05 yeah that's the current one 12:06 a conical hat(lit) wtf? 12:06 if you have godhands or premium heart artifact gloves you should be pretty unstoppable 12:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Mal Neu) killed Glasya, on T:141507 12:06 ah in dnh the gnomes and dwarves have lightsources in their helmets 12:06 it's really nice 12:06 i want to use new rc file so i can use curses. i can't change it for this game? 12:07 I think you can save and reload with new rc file? can't remember 12:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha) was given the Lifehunt Scythe, on T:5353 12:07 i've finally come around to curses (at least i'm trying to) 12:07 [hdf-us] [un] Henrique (Wiz Vam Mal Neu), 347 points, T:1084, died of starvation 12:07 I copied my evilhack RC file but it didn't change it 12:08 i don't think i had even set one up for dnh. i don't have colors or anything 12:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Qwesti (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1878 points, T:3428, killed by a rock piercer 12:09 upgrade kit? is that good? I'm in hardware store in minetown 12:10 ooo harp hope it's magic 12:10 it's not particularly useful for you as a human 12:10 it lets you resize armours and weapons, like make small thing large enough for you to wear etc 12:11 what is an effigy? 12:11 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Con Hum Mal Cha), 550 points, T:1097, killed by a giant bat 12:14 is hooded cloak a randomized thing ? shopkeep offered 19? 12:16 effigies are really useful, keep one with you 12:16 it can be used to do a blessed remove curse 12:16 i died 12:16 oh rip 12:16 that's ok. i want to start over with curses anyway 12:16 they also improve your sanity (but that's a mechanic that happens much later on) 12:16 ty for telling me what effigy is 12:17 my sanity, eh? 12:17 yeah, it's not something you need to even really be aware of for now 12:18 encountering certain monsters for the first time lowers your sanity 12:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a book, on T:6393 12:18 can raise it by drinking booze 12:19 but it'll be quite a while before you encounter any such things 12:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:7358 12:21 got protection spell 12:24 is scroll of pentagram like scare monster? 12:24 trephination kit? 12:25 idk about treph kits, I just leave them on the ground 12:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:7350 12:25 I'm sure they have some niche use but idk 12:25 scroll of pentagram when read burns a pentagram on the floor, which is like Elbereth for certain monsters 12:25 there's lots of these different wards you can learn, and as a monk you know some by default 12:26 I didn't really use them very often, just for certain boss fights, but pentagram is one of the good ones 12:26 scares demons 12:27 are there techniques like slashem/ splice etc ? 12:27 [hdf-us] [slex] Qwesti (Wiz Dra Mal Law), 108 points, T:455, poisoned by a pestyblob 12:28 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 9972 points, T:7571, killed by a soldier ant 12:28 certain races/roles have things like techniques 12:28 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:29 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:29 typically on #monster or #power or #ability 12:29 ok, but as a monk do i just play? 12:29 yeah 12:29 ok thanks :) 12:29 i'm doing ok.. it's a little weird getting used to the 3.43 interface stuff, but beyond that this is very cool 12:30 are you human? if so, for your first wish wish for 'blessed greased fixed +3 premium heart' 12:30 naming is different, can't price id on floor etc. 12:30 ok 12:30 those are those gauntlets? i've read about it a little bit 12:30 it's artifact gloves that make you incredibly strong 12:30 right ok thanks 12:30 don't forget that monks in dnh can get twoweapon to grandmaster, and can twoweapon their martial arts 12:31 so you'll be a powerhouse 12:32 right. that's awesome 12:32 so you're still weaponless but two weaponing? 12:32 yeah 12:32 or do you mean use a weapon 12:32 nice 12:32 yeah i love not having to worry about a weapon/armor... when I first read that in the wiki about monks in vanilla, i thought "why would i not want to worry about that stuff?" but i totally get it now 12:32 (as i'm sure you do too) 12:33 for sure 12:33 dnh and ndnh monk are so fun, absolute blast to play 12:33 sweet :) 12:35 ahhh I forgot i can play ndnh once I learn this and bother Demo 12:37 I need to read wiki if there is one so i don't keep bothering you 12:38 hmm is something wrong with this? 12:38 AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION="< named ammo" 12:38 I'm trying to pickup some stones nammed ammo 12:39 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 12:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 12:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 549 points, T:2319, killed by an arrow 12:45 so i found a runed candle... is that like uhhh a good thing ? 12:45 wish? 12:46 maybe I'm guessing slex is based off an earlier nethack so maybe the file isn't sequential like the wiki says? 12:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 12:47 if only the developer was here to ask 12:47 loli: i wish i could help. Someone will know 12:47 rebatela: runed candle if it's not cursed can give you a wish 12:47 light it then #invoke it 12:48 so i can light this candle and and invoke and wish for that premium heart 12:48 sweet 12:48 not cursed 12:48 pick the djinni option to get a wish 12:48 right 12:48 the other options summon strong demons/angels iirc, which is pretty cool 12:48 maybe the never pickup trumps the never pikcup? 12:49 I'm not sure how it works here 12:49 didn't get the +3 but that's ok 12:50 some monsters, notably zombies, resist bludgeoning attacks like your fists 12:50 but those gloves should be enough to more than overcome that 12:50 humans get faster skill points so you should be able to grandmaster marts and twoweapon relatively quick 12:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) reached Minetown, on T:7136 12:50 Amy do you know the answer for loli's question about their rc file? 12:51 not sure if it's same as 3.4.3 vanilla or if slex changed pickup rules 12:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:7221 12:54 I can probably tweak the "* stone*" rule of mine if it can't handle conflicts well in this version of nethack 12:55 whoa protection spell IS awesome, amateur 12:55 yeah! 12:56 need to remember to cast it 12:56 I think there's the ability to 'maintain' it as well which will keep it up but drain energy as it's up 12:56 I never really used that tho 12:57 slex has pickup_thrown, isn't that enough? 12:57 who has * in their autopickup classes? 12:57 people who like loadstones? 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:4365 12:57 I don't want to pickup load stones by accident 12:57 but if I know a stone isn't a load stone 12:58 I do want to pick it back up 12:58 oh autopickup exceptions I guess, they're slightly buggy :/ 12:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:4454 12:59 I just want to pickup these stones I know aren't bad as I have a sling! 12:59 "back up" means you have dropped or thrown it before. that's what pickup_thrown is for. 12:59 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 12:59 yeah use pickup_thrown, don't need to put * on autopickup 13:00 LarienTelrunya: you don't have pickup_dropped, though. and what is pickup_cursed for? 13:00 so so just write pick_thrown=True? 13:00 bhaak: why would I want pickup_dropped lol :P pickup_cursed means that pickup_thrown also picks up known cursed items (if it's off, you only pick up known-noncursed or non-BUC-known projectiles) 13:01 loli: OPTIONS=pickup_thrown 13:01 thanks 13:02 Warning - Boolean option specified multiple times: pickup_thrown. 13:02 hmm 13:02 so I already have it set 13:02 LarienTelrunya: pickup_dropped is for stuff you had in inventory but don't want to pick up again. for example if you have amulets in pickup_types but have found a useless amulet and dropped it 13:03 wtf, sounds complicated... does that mean the game keeps track of each item type you have ever dropped? 13:03 yes 13:03 it seems AUTOPICKUP_EXCEPTION=">*stone*" overrides that 13:04 loli: if you don't have * in your pickup_types, you don't need that autopickup exception rule anyway. or am I missing something 13:05 hmm I guess you are correct 13:06 it seems it's on in my options 13:06 but I'll remove the * part 13:08 odd 13:09 autopickup doesn't seem fair. Don't you basically get a free turn? 13:09 yeah, it's great 13:09 :) 13:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 8507 points, T:5003, killed by an elven arrow 13:09 Autopickup: ON, for $"=/!?+* objects, with some exceptions. 13:09 yes, but in slex you can also pick up things manually without using up a turn because that has always irked me :P 13:09 OPTIONS=pickup_types:$"=/!?+ 13:09 loli: if you change it in the file, it probably only affects new games because it's saved into the savegame file when you set it in-game 13:09 ahh is it? 13:10 it should take a turn and you should get killed picking stuff up 13:10 wow slex is easyhack 13:10 it is saved into the file LarienTelrunya thanks 13:10 rebatela: code for you getting killed picking stuff up is in vanilla 13:10 EPI: autopickup trap, which causes you to autopickup everything you move onto, including that 4500 weight dragon corpse while the other dragon is breathing down your neck. :P 13:11 isn't that already a trap? 13:11 amateurhour: monsters can use it too though :P it has also always irked me that monsters would waste endless amounts of turns picking up things from a pile one by one 13:11 when you have autopickup on it sets it to pick up everything 13:11 yeah it is, forgot to add "whoops, slex already has that!" 13:11 lol 13:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) murdered Slasher, his faithful little dog, on T:1737 13:11 alright dinner time, bbl 13:12 a +2 sling yay! 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) destroyed the mastodon, the former Conjurer, on T:1835 13:13 amateurhour: that is what pickup types are for 13:14 sorry loli I meant that slex has a trap that sets it to pickup everything 13:14 regardless of your pickup types 13:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:23699 13:15 phrased it a little confusingly above 13:16 ahh, I see 13:17 not the worst trap, but can you change it with O 13:17 cheating the system? 13:17 I miss my -21ac wolf, all I get now is -10 ac wolf transforms 13:18 GOD DAMNIT 13:18 A gray stone appears from nowhere! The stone automatically wanders into your knapsack! 13:21 sadly it's heavily cursed 13:23 that happens a lot 13:23 yeah... sadly they don't corrode, so off to get lucky 13:23 I had to deal with this a lot with camper striker runs 13:24 hothraxxa: have you been getting a random "averted death (...)" message every time life saving triggers in xnh 13:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed the Platinum Dragon, on T:51046 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3148 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3160 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered a shop, on T:3184 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:38905 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:38906 13:30 btw why is it standard for various nethack places to use virus over say vim and ee over emacs and the like? 13:31 not sure, though I suspect they wanted a restricted subset 13:32 standard vim might allow you to get shell? 13:33 I feel like there ought to be some middle ground between the awful virus and regular vi 13:33 that servers can use 13:33 I guess but can't you just remove functionality from it? Either way I always just found it odd. As like gg and G aren't commands in virus 13:33 and ee has some binds I'm not used to in normal emacs 13:34 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 bone gauntlets of power", on T:40589 13:34 <@FIQ> @aosdict#0000 isn't there a rvi 13:34 <@FIQ> like how hdf uses rnano 13:35 where's the source code for virus? 13:35 formal petition for K2 to put a less bad vi-like editor on the server 13:36 <@FIQ> as long as rnano remains available 13:36 specifically, I'd like to see something that doesn't crash when you paste into it 13:36 does it crash for you? 13:36 <@FIQ> while virus is objectively terrible, vi wouldn't be any better for me 13:36 I just notice the limitations by not being able to delete newlines without dd or press gg or G 13:36 <@FIQ> since I don't know vi bindings at all 13:36 <@FIQ> besides how to quit it 13:36 FIQ: there's a game called 'nethack' that can use its movement commands to teach you vi bindings 13:37 <@FIQ> @aosdict#0000 and nothing else 13:37 I think hdf might even host it 13:37 <@FIQ> I do know those actually 13:37 <@FIQ> and i for inserting stuff 13:37 <@FIQ> that's about it 13:38 <@FIQ> loli: yeah that's what I meant with virus being objectively terrible 13:38 <@FIQ> the fact that it crashes upon pasting long stuff into it 13:38 vi is the same in not deleting lines btw... I was never a vim guy... I just use evil in my emacs 13:39 I could probably just pipe my emacs into editing the file somehow, and sidestep all this 13:39 and save a local copy in the process 13:39 <@FIQ> shouldn't evil have the same bindings as vim 13:39 <@FIQ> isn't that the entire point of evil 13:39 it has many of the same bindings yeah 13:39 I press i to get into normal emacs mode 13:39 <@FIQ> the benefit of emacs plugins with vim's supposedly saner keybinds 13:40 well I wouldn't call vim's defaults saner 13:40 <@FIQ> I don't know them, so yeah 13:40 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dan Inf Nbn Cha) had Doomblade bestowed upon them by the Elder Elemental, on T:1250 13:40 <@FIQ> I'm used to emacs defaults 13:40 I usually press i in files rather fast, but keep evil for some niche purposes 13:40 <@FIQ> ah 13:40 for editing lisp, I have a vim like mode in emacs 13:40 lispy is bae 13:41 <@FIQ> I stay as far away from lisp as I can get away with 13:41 what a shame 13:41 I recently wrote some code to have a better random for slex, that way I don't create many tty's of me pressing random then quiting 13:41 <@FIQ> I ought to learn at least the basics of elisp at some point 13:41 https://github.com/mariari/Misc-Lisp-Scripts/blob/master/scripts/slex-choice.lisp#L123 13:42 meh, elisp is a bad lisp, I just mostly copy and pasted stuff for the most part for my .emacs 13:42 esp when I was younger 13:42 <@FIQ> that is my approach too 13:42 <@FIQ> but I mean 13:42 <@FIQ> I ought to at least understand the code 13:42 probably 13:43 stuff like mapcar is just called map in other languages 13:43 <@FIQ> also how can you have a lisp thing for slex 13:43 cause I just run it in my repl 13:43 <@FIQ> how are you evaluating lisp in ssh 13:43 and pick stuff 13:43 nah 13:43 see this 13:43 https://puu.sh/GzqSc/dda273a49a.png 13:43 <@FIQ> is this some bothack-like thing 13:43 no 13:44 I'd probably write a bothack in haskell I suspect 13:44 <@FIQ> that's like how 3.6 has it 13:44 this is just for me to pick random classes better 13:44 <@FIQ> ah 13:44 <@FIQ> bothack was written in clojure 13:44 <@FIQ> that's the only time I've ever seen clojure used 13:45 noice, I've used clojure for work before 13:45 IMO I don't like the JVM, so I don't use it 13:45 -!- Disruptor has joined #hardfought 13:45 nice language besides that, the creator is wrong about types and pattern matching, making the language a lot worse than it should be 13:45 but nice besides that 13:45 <@FIQ> yes, it's nice that I never had to see it elsewhere 13:45 <@FIQ> :P 13:46 I wish nethack wasn't in C 13:46 I'd probably start hacking on some variants 13:46 ok, question for dnethack players - let's say I had a bag of holding in a pit and the pit got filled with a bolder; then, let's say I dug down with a wand of holding and stuff fell through to the other level. is the bag of holding still intact, or was it some how destroyed? I see my stuff has been scattered, but can't find the bag 13:46 <@FIQ> the BoH should be intact 13:47 <@FIQ> but nothing fragile inside it 13:47 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 114308 points, T:22305, killed by a sabre-toothed cat 13:47 <@FIQ> actually 1% of the fragile things should have survived as well 13:47 <@FIQ> and 99% of the fragile artifacts 13:47 bunch of stuff fell out, but I can't find the bag 13:48 it fell out in Arcadia in the Platinum Dragon/Oona tower; could it be split across both sections of the level? 13:48 <@FIQ> things scattering sounds like bohsplosion 13:48 would a wand of digging do that? 13:48 <@FIQ> very possible yes @ being across both sections 13:48 <@FIQ> and no it shouldn't 13:49 <@FIQ> unless Chris_ANG changed something 13:49 this is still 3.1.9 13:49 -!- Disruptor has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 13:53 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dan Inf Nbn Cha), 1251 points, T:2066, mowed down by a black pudding, while disrobing 13:55 <@Umby> 👋 13:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Thaumaturge, on T:5225 13:59 <@riker> the bag of holding should still be intact I think. a wand of digging should not cause an explosion 14:00 <@Umby> Hey rikes 14:01 <@riker> just confirmed in wizmode 14:01 <@riker> in fact, the digging doens't always cause it to fall anyway - but dropping a boulder there may lol 14:01 <@riker> (i was curious if a bag being buried destroyed the bag due to some funky thing that prohibited non-box containers from being buried) 14:02 okay how many pings do I have and what was I pinged about 14:02 <@riker> im innocent 14:02 my backscroll on this client only shows the last 100 messages so I have to look at the log :P 14:03 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Chn Nbn Law), 275 points, T:1486, sent to the next life by a skunk 14:03 loli: the autopickup trap overrides all the options; if you still find a way to make it not pick up stuff, file a bug report (yeah I know you won't, but still :P ) 14:03 <@Umby> LT's still here, neat 14:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 269 points, T:969, killed by a giant mimic 14:04 yo Umby, what's up? was eating dinner and it was soooooo tasty but now I'm back for a little ;) 14:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] amateurhour (Mon Hlf Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1091 14:05 <@Umby> trying to become a discord/IRC regular again now that I have a proper computer 14:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was given Xiuhcoatl, on T:25589 14:05 <@Umby> would've been nethacking already except that I had several significant personal issues to deal with in the interim 14:05 <@Umby> would've been nethacking already except that I had several significant personal issues to deal with in the interim 14:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 14:05 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 34 points, T:320, sent to the grave by a sewer rat 14:08 welcome back :) 14:10 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 325 points, T:975, killed by a hobbit 14:12 -!- nymphet has joined #hardfought 14:13 umby has a computer! yay 14:13 -!- Announcy has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:14 -!- Announcy has joined #hardfought 14:14 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Announcy] by ChanServ 14:14 welcome back. now you have to play ;) 14:14 heh, I'd say "Umby you should play slex! bundlebundle!" but want to wait with that until I finally get 2.68 out the door 14:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:19519 14:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Vorpal Blade bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:567 14:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 474 points, T:1075, killed by a giant bat 14:18 wat they added the "buff piranhas out the wazoo" feature from fourk to vanilla wat 14:18 seriously 14:18 they should rename them to "you are now dead" :P 14:19 that's gonna make evilhack much harder when that gets it 14:19 2x 2d6 and 18 speed on a level 5 monster... lol 14:19 and yeah I know they're constrained to water, but still 14:20 in vanilla is that even a problem? just step away from the water 14:20 LarienTelrunya: paxed did a search for deaths by piranha across all of NAO and found 10 deaths 14:20 oh I was wondering why he was searching for that lol 14:21 and the difficulty of piranha is largely irrelevant since they only appear on later game special levels 14:21 EPI: swamps can appear as early as dungeon level 2. :D 14:22 EPI: add multiple piranhas in a single square representing a swarm of them 14:23 EPI: make the game crash by putting multiple piranhas in a single square and then letting "piranha tail" monsters proliferate when any of them try to move 14:23 that sounds really fun why is it an EPI 14:27 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 14:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7315 14:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2773 14:32 -!- stenno4 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 1810 points, T:2909, killed by a giant bat 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 13122 points, T:7549, killed by a marilith 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed JackalChow's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:2630 14:38 <@FIQ> LarienTelrunya: you can configure the size of the backlog in all sane clients 14:38 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed greased bag of holding", on T:57696 14:39 FIQ: yes, but if I set it too high, it lags on this PC 14:39 (it = kiwiirc) 14:39 <@FIQ> use a better client then 14:40 <@FIQ> even potatos should handle IRC w/o trouble 14:40 <@FIQ> it was literally designed in the 80s 14:40 but on kiwiirc I can use fleecy colors :) 14:40 don't know any other web client that would let me do so 14:40 <@FIQ> yes, all irc clients support colors 14:40 <@FIQ> web client lol 14:40 webchat didn't and I was very sad 14:40 <@FIQ> why not use qwebirc? 14:40 <@FIQ> it does... 14:41 <@FIQ> I recommend hexchat 14:41 webchat doesn't even exist anymore or does it? when going to webchat.freenode.net it auto-redirects me to kiwi 14:41 also I want to chat in the browser window 14:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 2029 points, T:3681, killed by a straw golem 14:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) killed Oona, on T:57856 14:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 97 points, T:594, killed by a newt 14:52 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 14:53 <@Umby> Ohey rebatela 14:53 <@Umby> aosdict, amateurhour 14:53 <@Umby> 👋 14:54 is there some reason I'm being pinged 14:54 Umby is back and saying hey 14:54 welcome back 14:54 <@Umby> Nice to see you all again 14:55 excited for tnnt? 14:56 <@Umby> I'd completely forgotten about that, though hopefully I can actually join in 14:56 <@Umby> Like I said, lot of personal shit goin' on 14:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:2384 15:00 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:04 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 1157 points, T:1555, killed by a dagger 15:07 -!- nymphet has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 15:08 lol, my summoned horde of hostile mordor orcs somehow gained a Knife of Justice 15:08 <@Umby> oh yeah, how's the wiki holding up 15:09 we've been having some low grade warpguncody problems 15:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Excursionist, on T:3774 15:09 <@Umby> Would that I knew what that meant 15:10 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:10 warpguncody is a user who keeps adding pages for slex roles that use poor grammar to list the gods and intrinsics and no other information 15:11 <@Umby> Oh 15:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (alhoons), on T:40678 15:12 YANI: when a monster has multiple spears, it treats them as ranged weapons until it has only one left, and it won't see that as a ranged weapon anymore. 15:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:40679 15:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:40679 15:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) had Mjollnir bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:4427 15:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed JackalChow's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:4639 15:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 894 points, T:2085, killed by a gas spore's explosion 15:17 -!- tromix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:21 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:24 aosdict: how do you copy over your . files to the server if pasting dies... I may copy my slexrc to other nethacks on the the server 15:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 515 points, T:843, killed by a system shock 15:25 loli: virus dies when pasted into. nano doesn't in my experience 15:25 ahh so you just use nano while psating 15:25 then switch back over 15:25 yep 15:26 I used the hdf website to paste in my nao config iirc 15:26 not sure if that's still a thing 15:27 it probably is, but lots of the nethack stuff on hdf website doesn't work forme 15:27 for me* 15:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:6307 15:28 shower thought: if you have a pear with a spider on it, is it a spear? 15:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 497 points, T:972, killed by a wererat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 15:31 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 4270 points, T:7551, killed by a rothe 15:37 <@Umby> oh yeah, anyone tropers present in here atm? 15:37 "tropers"? 15:38 troopers? 15:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 233 points, T:369, killed by a small mimic 15:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 647 points, T:1225, killed by a gnome lord 15:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 3 points, T:25, killed by a sewer rat 15:39 <@Umby> tropers, e.g. TVTrope users 15:39 <@Umby> tropes are "basically" literary devices and the like 15:39 yeah I'm familiar with tvtropes 15:39 <@Umby> ah 15:40 it's a wiki though isn't it? 15:40 [hdf-eu] [evil] Vis (Inf Hum Mal Una), 105 points, T:323, killed by a falling rock 15:40 anyone can edit it 15:40 <@Umby> yeah 15:40 <@Umby> yes 15:40 <@Umby> my point is I was thinking of updating the Nethack page on the All The Tropes fork since it's sorely out of date 15:40 <@Umby> could use a bit of help when I eventually get around to it 15:41 it seems pasting works aosdict 15:41 in virus 15:42 loli: depends on how much is being pasted, as well as the position of venus relative to the moon and the program's general mood today 15:43 well I posted like 35~ lines 15:47 my config file which has crashed when pasting it is longer than that. but ymmv 15:47 welll I'm just copying sections from my slexrc 15:47 since not all things apply 15:48 virus crashes when you have too much text 15:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 86 points, T:1064, killed by a system shock 15:49 -!- misha is now known as werekitten 15:50 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 15:52 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 15:54 <@Umby> post still at it huh 15:57 [hdf-us] [4k] Dolores (dolores) (Pri Elf Mal Cha) received advice from The Oracle, on T:2299 15:58 so in normal nethack play, one always makes stashes every few levels or so, right? basically only carrying what is useful for what is immeidately immediately next? 15:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 68 points, T:104, killed by a falling rock 16:00 that is more a question of play style 16:00 ais523, for one, never stashes anything (ignoring a lot of items) 16:00 is it? It seems pretty much everything slows one down 16:00 potions are 20 weight! 16:00 I don't like stashing things either 16:01 it's a necessity till you get a boh though it seems 16:01 ok, if you're starting from the assumption that the player is a giant packrat who hates being Burdened, then yes, stashing every few levels is necessary 16:01 well I'm used to slex where I just carry everything on me in a chest 16:01 after I get a boh if picking something up burdens me then I find something to throw away 16:01 so I don't fill with #### 16:02 [hdf-us] [4k] Dolores (dolores) (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 7497 points, T:2471, killed by a giant spider 16:04 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 166 points, T:1179, killed by a goblin 16:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 61 points, T:241, killed by a falling rock 16:06 so in normal nethack play one tries to boh curse check things fast. I guess since the game has a lot less items, there seems to be better tells to which items are which, even the shop keeper price seems useful 16:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] JackalChow (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 40 points, T:124, killed by an orcish dagger 16:07 watching you familiarize yourself with vanilla after (presumably) only playing slex is fascinating 16:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 16:07 I pretty much only play slex, it has many conviences that I do enjoy, that say 3.7 lacks 16:08 [hdf-eu] [nh13d] gargor (Wiz Mal), 374 points, T:247, orc 16:08 4k has some nice quality of life information to help me get familiar, but i"m trying to see what mainline variant I should try 16:08 all I need is vanilla plus some information shown so I can pick up information faster 16:08 what information 16:09 weight information, how far one can train a skill, monster dmg 16:09 4k has a slex like pokedex that tells me a monster hits 4d6 passive 16:09 cough xnethack cough 16:09 sure let me get a good config on xnethack 16:09 xnethack is 3.6 variant right? 16:10 3.7 16:10 dope even better 16:10 i don't really understand why showing weight is so important? 16:10 I have no idea what things weigh in vanilla, in slex potions weight nothing 16:10 my sense of weight is all off 16:10 it's useful for figuring out what you should get rid of when you get burdened 16:11 pick up stuff - burdened? drop stuff you don't need. 16:11 well but how do I know what to drop first 16:11 what is the heaviest per usabilitiy 16:11 ^ 16:11 some foods weigh more and help less 16:11 also the pokedex type information tells me what I should be afraid of 16:12 also useful for totaling containers. oh wow my boh weighs 800 with everything in it? maybe I don't need so many potions 16:12 having weights shown destroys your eyeballs though, visually so messy 16:12 heavist per usability? iron chains. don't carry 'em. 16:13 amateurhour: there's no weight implementation that doesn't make it optional 16:13 turn it off and save your eyeballs 16:13 people should think less and drop more :) 16:13 <@Umby> hi paxed 16:13 you don't need those 10 wands of sleep you've been carrying around 16:14 * paxed zaps a wand of sleep at himself. 16:14 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Rog Orc Fem Cha) wished for "blessed +2 fireproof speed boots", on T:1067 16:14 sleep well paxed 16:14 <@Umby> bye paxed 16:14 <@Umby> so regarding IRC what client would you lot most recommend? 16:15 <@Umby> gotta get used to that again 16:15 I use irssi but don't have strong opinions on it 16:15 I just use irssi, idk what's modern and hip 16:15 I use weechat myself 16:16 intersting in xnethack some books weight differently 16:16 amateurhour: if you're looking for modern and hip, you should uh... probably look for methods of chatting developed later than the 80s. 16:16 apparently all the cool kids use something called... dick sword? 16:16 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 16:17 dope xnethack tells you if something is vegan 16:17 <@Umby> 🗞️ 16:17 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 309 points, T:1250, killed by a dagger 16:17 aosdict: also I'm rather unspoiled on nethack as well. I've seen some playthroughs and know some tricks but overall 16:17 I'm a noob 16:18 -!- oh7 has joined #hardfought 16:18 [hdf-us] [spl] nekochan (Dra Elf Nbn Neu), 4 points, T:79, slipped while mounting a saddled baby green dragon 16:19 just give in and read the wiki imotbh tbhimo 16:21 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 16:22 -!- oh7 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 16:23 well I read for what armors offer me and what not, as how else do I know which weapon is better? 16:24 object lookup tells you damage stats 16:24 dope that is great no more wiki for that 16:24 btw what is the command to check one's alignment normally in slex I just press escape then player info 16:24 I can't seem to find an overview of the character commnad(?) 16:25 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 16:25 ctrl-X shows you attributes, but alignment is hidden in vanilla. 16:25 well you start with an alignment 16:25 you can get a clue by stethoscoping yourself 16:25 thanks C-x worked 16:25 I found an aligned alter then 16:26 wait, do you mean alignment as in lawful or alignment as in alignment record? 16:26 as in what I started with, the intro to xnethack does not dispaly that 16:26 C-x gave me the info 16:27 it's also on the bottom status line, unless you manually suppressed it in your config 16:27 interesting you are correct, I'm not used to looking there for it 16:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2728 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:53030 16:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Hea Gno Mal Neu), 187 points, T:837, killed by a bat 16:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Lama, on T:53241 16:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3044 16:39 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 16:40 Whee! 16:40 whee 16:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 2290 points, T:3535, killed by a killer bee, while praying 16:44 * amateurhour wheezes 16:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 32 points, T:185, killed by a black pudding 16:46 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2130 16:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) destroyed gargor's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:2312 16:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu), 381 points, T:1095, killed by a water moccasin 17:00 -!- nymphet has joined #hardfought 17:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:54068 17:05 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 17:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 100 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:54339 17:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) became Chih Sung-tzu's Envoy of Balance, on T:27748 17:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed OhNoNotAgain's ghost, the former Magician, on T:54355 17:13 -!- Umbire has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 17:15 -!- nymphet has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:3360 17:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered a temple, on T:3360 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:28032 17:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3455 17:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:5115 17:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:3057 17:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Slayer, on T:75098 17:29 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 17:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6248 17:30 amateurhour: did arahael ascend 17:30 they went to sleep 17:30 -!- Umbire_ has quit [Changing host] 17:30 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 17:31 did they go to sleep with a live char? 17:31 yes 17:31 nice1 17:31 i should proly sleep 17:31 aoei: chana masala 17:31 just got home from my friends house 17:31 nop 17:31 aosdict: me and my friends made a dal 17:31 no sleep 4 u 17:31 only splicehack 17:32 aosdict: u wanna see pic 17:32 a pic of daly dalliness 17:32 yum yum 17:32 -!- Umbire has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 17:32 amateurhour: can't I just splicehack tomorrow :c 17:32 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 17:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3718 17:33 why do my internet friends try to bully me into playing computer games 17:33 <{Demo}1> computer games r bad 4 u 17:33 its not just you with splice kerio is also doing it with undertale 17:33 <{Demo}1> ur the kind of person that would like that game i bet, there are dogs with hats 17:33 undertale is cool tho 17:33 dogs with hats? :o 17:33 did you just say dogs demo? 17:34 <{Demo}1> must be 17:34 with hats? 17:34 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3820 17:34 <{Demo}1> i dont know for sure, but if there aren't there is very similar 17:34 <{Demo}1> there are definitely dogs 17:34 sounds great sign me up 17:34 <{Demo}1> in similar situations to having hats 17:34 -!- Umbire_ has joined #hardfought 17:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Quit: Leaving] 17:36 but are they bobble hats 17:36 -!- Umbire_ is now known as Umbire 17:36 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Inf Fem Cha) killed Drauglir, on T:35440 17:36 -!- Umbire has quit [Client Quit] 17:37 -!- Umbire has joined #hardfought 17:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:41765 17:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:5014 17:39 mobileuser: you trying to lap me before i ascend splice :D 17:40 you will need to make that a speed run aoei ;-) 17:41 i have a new idea for a challenge 17:41 "how many times can mobileuser ascend before aoei finally ascends splice" 17:41 aoei: are you still in the mines 17:41 think so yeah 17:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:41786 17:41 in fact I haven't resumed play since you last asked me that, IIRC 17:44 aosdict: yummy dal https://0x0.st/i0ut.jpg 17:44 mmm 17:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 18323 points, T:7642, killed by a leocrotta 17:45 [hdf-eu] [spl] amateurhour (Mon Gul Mal Cha), 2008 points, T:1102, killed by a volatile mushroom's explosion 17:45 thought it was a red mold, TIL 17:46 BOOM 17:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6659 17:48 amateurhour: ouch 17:49 I've had them explode in my face due to not paying attention 17:49 but luckily not dieed to once 17:49 one* 17:49 sokobon is forgiving 17:49 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) read a Discworld novel, on T:8282 17:50 <@ShadowFountain> !pom 17:50 @ShadowFountain: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 11 days. 17:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:5751 17:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1432 17:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) bribed Baalzebub with 170 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:55131 17:55 [hdf-eu] [spl] amateurhour (Mon Gul Mal Cha), 1533 points, T:1320, exterminated by a dwarf 17:55 ouch 17:55 how did that happen 17:56 the dwarf got out his can of raid 17:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2585 17:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:2587 18:00 aosdict: lol 18:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Rog Orc Fem Cha), 551 points, T:1621, killed by a rabid rat 18:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:2872 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:9266 18:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:21717 18:04 time for hopefully the bag of holding 18:05 right after this commercial break 18:05 -!- bebing has joined #hardfought 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 31197 points, T:12632, killed by a watch captain 18:10 forced to sac the 2 extra boulders huh, 18:10 [hdf-eu] [spl] amateurhour (Mon Gul Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2059 18:10 whoops 18:10 Ow D: 18:10 also wdym sac 18:10 sacrifice 18:10 I fucked the last level up :( 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3193 points, T:3669, killed by a giant beetle 18:11 oh 18:11 yeah, better to have the extras and not need 18:11 IIRC it's cheating to squeeze throuhg diangles in soko right? 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:10543 18:11 than... you know 18:11 what kind of god takes boulders as a sacrifice 18:11 it's also not possible iirc 18:11 the soko gods 18:11 aosdict: Armok obviously 18:11 I can go between just need to drop all my stuff 18:11 not in soko 18:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3032 18:11 damn 18:12 not *diagonally* anyway 18:12 then I screwed this 18:12 you should still have the spare earth scrolls from f1 18:12 fl1* 18:12 you start with one? 18:12 first floor always has two guaranteed scrolls of earth (assuming vanilla) 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law), 114 points, T:532, killed by a fox 18:13 thanks Umbire 18:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:78959 18:13 probably shouldn't have done that here 18:13 but w/e 18:13 too many boulders! 18:13 done what where 18:14 oh lol 18:14 no my way out is gone 18:14 yeah you gotta be mindful of how you spot your boulders 18:14 ...did you read it on the stairs 18:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:78967 18:14 still there aoei? 18:14 no 18:14 but on the last level 18:14 where you can really control it well 18:14 oh, you blocked your path back out 18:14 ? 18:14 well and to finish the level 18:15 since there is no way back down after grabbing the bag of holding right? 18:15 time to drop your stuff and squeeze :B 18:15 uh, just go back the way you came lol 18:15 Once you have the prize you just waltz back out and return to the main branch 18:15 you can't 18:15 if all the holoes in soko are gone 18:15 and your exit is blogged 18:15 blocked* 18:16 "status update: exiting sokoban. please like and subscribe" 18:16 basically 18:16 if you've successfully filled all the holes on a floor then you can break boulders with no penalty 18:16 <{Demo}1> remove soko 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:55586 18:16 really once you fill all the holes you can break stuff with no penalities 18:16 dope 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:55587 18:16 also past the first level the floors of solved levels *should* be diggable 18:17 amateurhour: yea 18:17 hurry up I'm about to be done with the mines :P 18:17 which tbf is more pertinent when dealing with hostile that try to cut and run rather than dealing with misplaced boulders 18:17 hurry up, what? 18:17 :( was in soko who cares about hostiles 18:18 you'd be quite surprised what mongen throws at you there ;3 18:18 loli: also, filling all the holes makes it possible to roll boulders diagonally 18:18 interesting 18:18 night o/ 18:18 basically all the rules go away 18:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:79199 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11910 18:19 yep, given you've already solved the level 18:20 (still no-tele though) 18:20 well I gave up, cause those boulders were too close for clearances 18:20 then break them :B 18:20 well to finish soko 18:20 I always keep a pick-axe or a spare wand of striking in case 18:20 so I just left 18:20 ohhh 18:21 you can always come back later 18:21 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:21 if you need something to break/make boulders with or else need to get your luck up to offset the penalties 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:12645 18:22 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 18:23 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 18:25 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:26 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 18:26 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (wolfe.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 18:26 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 18:26 [hdf-eu] [spl] amateurhour (Mon Gul Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:3987 18:26 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:27 flipped sokoban is awful 18:28 why is that? 18:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 3342 points, T:5906, killed by a lynx 18:30 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 18:30 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 18:30 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest4396 18:30 -!- Guest4396 has quit [Killed (hitchcock.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 18:30 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 18:31 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 18:32 brain hurts and muscle memory gone loli 18:32 fair 18:32 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 18:33 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 18:34 -!- unsound3 has joined #hardfought 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:79540 18:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:79543 18:34 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:36 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 18:36 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 18:37 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:37 -!- unsound2 has joined #hardfought 18:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a black dragon, on T:8028 18:39 -!- unsound_ has joined #hardfought 18:39 -!- unsound3 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed partially eaten chickatrice corpse", on T:56231 18:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Mal Neu) killed Orcus, on T:56259 18:40 [hdf-eu] [spl] amateurhour (Mon Gul Mal Cha) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:5912 18:40 -!- unsound has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:5771 18:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5795 18:42 -!- unsound has joined #hardfought 18:42 -!- unsound2 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 815 points, T:1106, killed by a large kobold 18:45 -!- unsound_ has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 18:45 [hdf-eu] [spl] amateurhour (Mon Gul Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6308 18:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1881 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:81065 19:01 -!- Agrius has joined #hardfought 19:02 come on deer 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:81615 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:6838 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Vagrant, on T:9983 19:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a vampire lord, on T:23233 19:04 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1301 19:04 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 19:06 -!- oh6 has joined #hardfought 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:7219 19:08 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 626 points, T:1727, killed by a rabid rat 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:7332 19:09 -!- Dracunos_ is now known as Dracunos 19:11 [hdf-us] [slshm] elron (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 9450 points, T:8010, killed by a wallaroo 19:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Bar Orc Fem Cha), 503 points, T:1210, killed by a rock piercer 19:15 -!- 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Fem Cha) consumed animal products (cream pie) for the first time, on T:7990 19:28 !tell LarienTelrunya you should buff piranhas and then add buff piranha plants: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DrCphiVUcAEj5va?format=jpg 19:28 LarienTelrunya shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, amateurhour. 19:29 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) killed Kroo the Kobold King, on T:1902 19:29 wooo go nabru 19:29 :D 19:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 80 points, T:136, killed by burning scrolls 19:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:12094 19:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 206 points, T:289, killed by a gnome lord 19:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 757 points, T:210, killed by a chameleon imitating an ice troll 19:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Gno Mal Neu), 513 points, T:300, killed by a giant beetle, while sleeping off a magical draught 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) polymorphed his first object, on T:12476 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Field Worker, on T:3499 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:24072 19:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24074 19:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 8567 points, T:293, killed by a baby gray dragon 19:39 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 250 points, T:55, killed by a priestess of Huhetotl, while paralyzed by a monster 19:39 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Student of Waters, on T:32578 19:41 Hmm. Demilich. 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 3039276 points, T:82109, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/k/karibou/nethack/dumplog/1601069771.nh.html 19:42 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 30173 points, T:13981, killed by an unsuccessful polymorph 19:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 136 points, T:162, killed by a giant rat 19:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 cloak of magic resistance", on T:8186 19:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Cav Dwa Fem Law), 102 points, T:205, killed by a small mimic 19:46 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 48 points, T:50, killed by strangulation, while sleeping 19:47 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Mon Hum Fem Law), 48 points, T:204, burned by molten lava 19:47 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:3298 19:48 Yay karibou! 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:8375 19:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 245 points, T:434, killed by a coyote 19:51 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) completed Lokoban, on T:3655 19:58 "You hear a nearby zap. The death ray bounces!" 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:4411 20:00 Hmm... Just stumbled onto a polymorph trap... Became a new man. 20:01 Still grand master in martial arts... 20:01 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided class 'h', on T:1184 20:04 [hdf-us] [fh] Kyriea (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:1222 20:05 Polymorphing shouldn't reset skill levels unless it level drains you enough 20:05 ^ 20:05 and becoming a new person always puts you within +/-2 levels of what XL you had pre-morph 20:06 to my recollection 20:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:9476 20:06 Poly'ed again. :( Now a dragon. 20:07 lost your robe? 20:07 RIP body armor 20:07 amateurhour: Indeed. 20:07 gotta hurry up and get your quest done then :) 20:07 master kaen will probs have a replacement robe for you 20:07 role/race? 20:07 oh a monk 20:07 Grey Dragon. 20:07 lmfao 20:07 amateurhour: Heh. :) 20:07 you're stuck for the duration 20:08 Wonder if I could do the quest as this? 20:08 Still searching for the upstairs, though. 20:08 you *could* 20:08 I doubt it'll last that long 20:08 ^ 20:08 main obstacle 20:08 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 39493 points, T:5752, killed by a triton, while frozen by a monster's gaze 20:09 noooooo nabru 20:09 :| 20:09 ;_;7 rip fallen soldier 20:09 they're really nasty unless you have reflection 20:09 yep :/ 20:10 maybe next run you'll get the amulet from lokoban 20:10 after that it's honestly smooth sailing 20:11 amateurhour: For sure. 20:11 So much easier with "oR, and a damn robe. 20:11 *sigh*, picked up a scroll of enchant armour... Only for it to immediately burn. 20:12 dude you have two magic markers 20:12 :D 20:12 Heh, I'll get the hint eventually! :) Actually my goal right now is to get to minetown, and find a pet somehow. 20:13 could be rocking at least -20ac right now 20:14 maybe not actually, no tshirt or cloak and no protection 20:14 I'm -1 at the moment - best I've ever been in this game! 20:14 Now, where's this ****'ing upstairs. 20:14 Oh, incidentially, I'm stuck as a D on *this* level, I don't think I can blind myself until I change back. 20:16 you STILL don't have magic resistance? 20:16 rebatela: Nope. :) 20:16 i was warning you about poly traps like 12 horus ago lol 20:17 sucks losing the robe. that's the thing 20:17 lucky they didn't wish for the mirror rebatela, grimtooth was in the castle armory 20:17 rebatela: We had a long discussion: Don't waste a wish on the mirror, get to the quest and get it from there. :) 20:17 in evilhack i play giants. you can't wear a robe so it's no sweat 20:17 And yeah, that. 20:17 But I can't ifnd the upstairs. :( 20:18 Oh, I've found it... Under an immovable boulder. 20:19 Human again! 20:19 Feels so good, man. 20:19 you haven't found cloak of mr? i would just wear that 20:19 AC: 5 20:20 I have a cursed faded pall. 20:20 do you have scroll of earth? magic missle spell? go kill kaen/get eyes 20:20 Yes, No. But I do have wands of magic missle. 20:21 got a single wand of sleep? 20:21 Yes. 20:21 rebatela: they actually have a wand of death 20:21 i would try to learn the spell anyway and level up 20:21 oh that'll work 20:21 i'd still do the boulder fort tho 20:22 you might miss 20:22 amateurhour: I have two wands of death! Second one might be empty, though. 20:22 sometimes he doesn't wake up at all 20:22 which is annoying if you've just boulder forted 20:22 cursed invisble 20:22 even with cursed see invis potion 20:22 oh wow.. i've never seen that 20:22 idk why it happens, he's just in some deep meditation or something 20:22 it's really annoying 20:23 you used to be able to wake him up and then teleport to the stiars.. but i think it's no telport now 20:23 Seriously considering putting on the cursed faded pall. 20:23 don't do that you gain nothing 20:24 Enchantment is +0, so what's the harm? It'll just get taken off like all my other robes do... 20:24 you already have stealth by being a monk 20:24 amateurhour: Hmm. 20:24 you'll get another robe from master kaen probably, and if you don't you'll get cloak of MR 20:24 if he has cloak of MR your wand of death won't work 20:25 so you'll probably immediately know which you're going to get :P 20:25 Ha. 20:25 it's only a 10% chance of that 20:26 he's almost certainly wearing a robe 20:26 Woah, nearly YASD'ed. 20:26 I went upstairs, forgetting to blind myself. 20:26 but yeah it will not work if it's that 10% lol 20:26 high priest in moloch's is like that too.. all priests are i think 20:26 you know what they say, 10% chance happens 90% of the time 20:26 lol 20:27 Should I melee Medusa? 20:27 yeah just blind yourself first 20:27 she'll kill herself 20:27 you have reflection 20:27 oh that's good 20:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:6398 20:28 Yeah, I have reflection _now_, thanks to wishes. :D 20:28 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:34947 20:28 I had to melee her, she didn't once use her gaze on me. 20:29 weird 20:29 oh are you invisible? 20:29 I am, yes. 20:29 yeah she;s a joke in vanilla 20:29 that'd be why 20:29 Which is probably what saved me when I went up without being blinded. 20:29 she doesn't see her reflection if you're invisible 20:30 it should give a message 20:30 No messages. Was as if she was asleep until I melee'd her. 20:31 Yeah, that's normal I think 20:32 You have to actively wake her up 20:32 Because lolstealth 20:32 So, where's this mirror or something she's supposed to have? 20:32 ???? 20:32 lol 20:32 are you thinking of the shield of reflection in Perseus' statue 20:33 or are you thinking of the strategy where you apply a mirror to kill her? 20:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:10757 20:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:16411 20:33 or are you confusing the magic mirror of merlin with the (non-existent) magic mirror of medusa 20:33 which is totally understandable, she did die from reflection in the story 20:33 amateurhour: The latter. 20:34 aaaah 20:34 amateurhour: Ah, it's in the statue. 20:34 I got wet. :( 20:34 on the bright side that may have given you lots of blank scrolls to use your fancy markers on 20:34 :) 20:34 I guess now I have plenty of scrolls to ... Indeed... 20:35 I suppose I should write them on blessed paper. 20:35 if the markers are uncursed yeah 20:37 They're cused. 20:37 *cursed 20:37 Perhaps I should wait until I can bless them. 20:37 then you're gonna want to uncurse them 20:38 uncursed markers are arguably better than blessed 20:38 I could just uncurse _one_ of them, this little swim gave me two waters. 20:38 because you can write cursed scrolls on cursed paper then 20:38 Oh, I have unholy water, that's not a problem. 20:38 I have way more unholy water than holy water! 20:41 Is it "enchant armour"? 20:41 Ah, no 'u'. 20:41 'enchant armor' or 'enchant armour' works 20:42 so you can use the superior spelling to your heart's content 20:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:11567 20:43 Nice, will remember that next time! I'm goign to enchant the speed boots. 20:44 Hmm, actually the scroll isn't blessed. :( 20:45 what's the BUC of marker and paper? 20:45 also do you still have charging scroll or did it get wet? 20:46 Crap, that's why. I somehow forgot ot bless the marker. 20:46 Well, it's still cursed. Fixing that now... 20:46 And no, somehow, I still have the charging scroll. 20:46 nice one 20:47 did you identify the markers to see their charges? can't remember 20:47 I didn't. I think what I'll do now is just use the cursed one on blessed paper, hope they stack, and then dip the scrolls. 20:50 Nice, +3 in the one go. 20:50 Back down to AC 2 now. :D 20:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:11625 20:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +2 speed boots", on T:11626 20:53 Not much point in getting Perseus's mirror, is there? 20:54 well actually imo yes there is 20:54 controversial opinion again 20:54 I know I said earlier 'ermagerd why are you wearing a shield' 20:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Ishtar, on T:17217 20:54 but in the later game I tend to use shield of reflection (at about xp level 15-17 or later) and switch to amulet of reflection 20:55 uh, amulet of life saving* 20:55 Yeah, I think I'd prefer better AC, plus frees up a slot for reflectoin anyway. 20:57 it's not worth it before higher levels as you miss out on a really nice to-hit bonus 20:57 and staggering blows can be useful for crowd control 20:59 Hell, I even wore leather jacket earlier. 21:00 wearing body armour as a monk is a really bad idea 21:00 it's a monk-specific thing but it's much worse than wearing a shield 21:03 I was wondering if I was high enough level yet. 21:04 you don't really need body armour anyway thankfully 21:05 This whole game has been proving that. :D 21:06 Is it worth trying to pick up a "horn"? 21:06 I think not, I don't know if it's on water. 21:06 you should get your ac as low as possible tho 21:06 you can get to like -30 w/out body armor 21:06 easily 21:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:17704 21:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Ran Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:16440 21:11 Sorry, was preparing bread. :D 21:11 rebatela: Yes... That'd be... Ideal... I'm without a robe now, though, for the 5th time! 21:11 preparing bread for what? war? 21:12 amateurhour: Eat! :) 21:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Rog Bat Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Greased +3 Grey Dragon Scale Mail", on T:5263 21:13 amateurhour: It's been growing all night, just gently folded the dough again and now its in the tray, for it's last rise. 21:13 nice! I hope it turns out well 21:14 Yeah - I don't have scales to properly measure it so it's pretty much touch-and-go. Sometimes turns out amazing. Sometimes turns out "dense but still good". 21:14 A complication is I often use wholegrain flour, which is harder to use. 21:14 How do I know if this particular tile is water? I don't know if it's safe to pick up the horn. 21:15 can use #terrain 21:15 Nice. 21:15 That works. 21:15 honestly the bugle you have is fine too 21:16 oh though it could be a fire horn etc which would be quite good for master kaen 21:16 good thinking 21:16 if your wand of death doesn't work 21:16 I was thinking? Good to know! :D 21:17 Now, I think I'll just ransack every level up from here, looking for a tshirt and ring of slow digestion. 21:18 there can't be many floors you haven't fully explored at this point 21:19 I wasn't looking for tshirts, though. 21:19 Plus, I do need something to wear. 21:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (class L), on T:18424 21:26 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 21:28 Loadstones are removed. Huh 21:30 thiefstones instead though 21:30 where thieves just place stuff on you? 21:33 is the likelihood of spell failure hidden in vanilla/xnethack? 21:33 it shouldn't be? 21:34 odd 21:34 xnh changes it so you always succeed 21:34 ...but at what cost 21:34 wait really? 21:34 is that why I don't see percentages 21:34 yeah, you see pw cost 21:34 Hmm. Crested Helmet is cursed... What might it be? 21:34 yeah... I just figured the number was hidden 21:34 worst case arahael it's opposite alignment, don't put on unidentified helmets randomly 21:35 don't want to do something bad and lock yourself out of the quest for a bit 21:35 Hmm, not until after quest, yeah. 21:35 worth keeping around for the endgame though, it can make the astral plane a little quicker... 21:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) wished for "magic marker", on T:13886 21:36 Just wondering which armour to enchant. 21:36 all of them 21:36 I still have one blessed scroll left. Heh... 21:37 Elvish leather helm, then? 21:37 dip scrolls you're not planning on using 21:37 what does dipping them do? 21:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:13894 21:37 loli: Blanks them. 21:37 blanks them so you can write on them with a magic marker 21:38 Except my charges are unknown. 21:39 I see 21:39 so I think you should work on getting more holy water and blank scrolls asap 21:39 and write or find an identify 21:39 enchant all the things, hit up the quest, then from there you're honestly set for ascension 21:39 legit 21:39 Hmm. 21:40 what is your preferred way of identifying potions and scrolls you have 21:40 Blessed scroll of identify 21:41 reading blessed identify 21:41 in xnh it's really nice to read uncursed identify though, still identifies 4 things 21:41 If I'm "early game", and have a unicorn horn, I dip the horn in the potions and quaff any that's left. But that's dangerious. 21:42 well I lack boht of those, I was just curious as I'm used to pack ratting then spamming identiy later in slex 21:42 pack ratting? 21:42 yes, grab a chest put all items in there 21:42 keep running with it 21:42 unlike slex it's possible to identify things in other variants 21:42 :P 21:43 I figured, and I figured there were easier tells 21:43 slex gives you what 5 identifies off the bat as there are less tells 21:43 ...if those even work 21:43 they tend to work 21:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed greased +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:19188 21:45 amateurhour: What if I took everything off, just strapped all my undesired potions to my leg, and went for a swim? Too risky? 21:45 some people do that, yeah 21:45 same with scrolls 21:45 Am I "some people"? Hmm, possibly. 21:46 I have heaps of unlabelled scrolls already, so will focus on potions. 21:49 I also think learning proper basics of nethack will help a lot in slex, give me more of an edge over the game 21:49 14 uncursed potions of water. Woohoo! 21:50 I am somewhat amused that you found nethack via slex 21:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:19198 21:50 I'm curious how that came about 21:50 What's slex? 21:50 I found nethack when I was younger, never really got into it 21:50 but how did I find slex 21:51 it's a variant of nethack arahael but it's deeply cursed 21:52 Wow. 21:53 Ok, blessed my cursed scroll of ID, and it identified _everything_. 21:53 nice 21:53 what're your markers at 21:53 markers are: cursed (0:30), and cursed (0:75) 21:53 right that's fine 21:53 got any scrolls of genocide? 21:54 One. 21:54 nice, if you bless that and genocide L you should have an easier time of things later 21:55 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2160 21:55 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) genocided class L, on T:36266 21:55 woop woop 21:55 h's are all gone, too. 21:55 you might not have encountered any liches before (except the ones at the castle you crushed) 21:55 but they're really nasty 21:55 I've met a few demilich's. 21:55 But nothing higher. 21:56 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu) entered the adventure town for the first time, on T:1004 21:56 imo h aren't bad enough to need a geno but I totally get why people do it 21:56 Hmm, seems I have a "tooled" horn. 21:56 meh 21:56 Yeah, well, I was in a bit of a fix, geno'ing h was a survival thing. 21:57 bugle is lighter but does wake up soldiers 21:57 Tooled horn apparently can get me out when engulfed? 21:57 so can the bugle 21:58 Ah, good. 21:58 works exactly the same except for bugle wakes up soldiers as well 21:58 [hdf-us] [ndnh] nabru (Mon Eth Fem Neu), 2305 points, T:1195, killed by a fire ant 21:58 Well, I guess I should enchant the gloves and leather helm. 21:59 you know what enchantments are safe to enchant at right? 21:59 +2 is still safe, right? 21:59 yeah 21:59 if it's at +3 it's still safe, +4 it's not safe 21:59 but apparently elvish stuff is safe higher? 21:59 BUT that elven helm can be enchanted to +7 so +5 is safe 22:00 Hmm? Wiki seems to suggest +3 is a bit risky. 22:00 ? 22:00 Ah, "If the enchantment of the armor is already above +3 when a non-cursed scroll is read, the armor may be destroyed when the scroll is read:" 22:01 Ok, the gloves only got +1, so went from +2 to +3. Assuming I have plenty of scrolls, that's probably nearly the best outcome. 22:05 I probably should fooproof the elven helm, too. 22:05 nah that'd be a waste 22:05 it's 1 ac, what does it matter 22:05 Oh, nice, so all those enchantments will still be there. Neat. 22:06 yeah there's a sort of 'base ac' that armour pieces have inherently 22:06 ^ 22:06 So, the elven helm is +5, gloves is +4, speed boots is +3, so I guess I'll try writing two more scrolls and enchanting the boots and helm again. 22:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3000 22:06 erosion etc just reduce that, but it never goes below 0 22:06 Hard hats are the only AC 2 helm I know of off the top of my head 22:06 Nice. 22:07 "Suddenly vibrates unexpectedly!" 22:07 It's +7 now. 22:07 Now for the boots... 22:07 <{Demo}1> vibe shack 22:07 vibrating means you've hit/passed the "safe" enchantment level 22:08 the vibration message is so useless, it doesn't even do it every time iir 22:08 So now I have a +7, +4, and +4, I think I'll have to stop now. 22:08 It's +3 for a lot of things, elven stuff is the exception at +5 22:08 Oh wow! Now my AC is -8!!! Woohoo! 22:08 oahh that advice about 2 scrolls of earth are dlvl in soko not dlvl1 dungeon 22:08 pls 22:08 loli: Indeed. 22:08 Umbire: pls? 22:09 yes pls 22:09 it's retrospect obviously but I couldn't image you'dve taken it to mean anything else at that time :B 22:09 Umbire: Ah! :) Ie, "please", in retrospect to enchanting the boot? 22:09 <{Demo}1> lmao they r gonna shred their armor 22:10 well I didn't remember when I picked them up 22:10 Ah, "please stop!" 22:10 lmao no 22:10 would've been easier to phrase if not for the awk username 22:10 considering you only have 3 armour pieces atm and no protection paid -8 ac is fine 22:10 ^ 22:11 and for future reference, "safe" in terms of enchantment means you can enchant from that level without risking evaporation 22:11 whoever complained about reverse soko I feel your pain 22:11 it was me 22:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) destroyed DexSG's ghost, the former Wanderer, on T:20976 22:11 i.e. in the case of elven stuff, you can enchant from +5 to +6 or (+7 if you're lucky) and be safe 22:11 it looks upsdie down compared to my earlier one 22:12 Umbire: No worries. :) 22:12 Yeah rotated maps are a thing to be accounted for 22:12 adds variety of a sort without doing whole new maps 22:14 Found a BoH on dlvl1. 22:14 haha are you in slex? 22:14 Which would've taken me up to 3 BoH's and no freaking reflection, still, so no lost opportunity. 22:16 vanilla 22:16 loli: I'm in regular nethack, 3.7.0 - ah, yeah, vanilla. 22:16 BoH can just be lying around in vanilla? 22:17 I figured it was only in special locations like the end of soko 22:19 Seems you can get nearly anything. 22:19 Sometimes even stumble onto a wand of wishing. :) 22:19 (Rare, though) 22:20 Hmm. Tattered cape in this shop. 22:21 I should probably buy it! 22:22 Cursed scroll of destroy armour while confused would be worth doing, too? 22:23 Very good bookstore. :) 22:25 that reverse soko was evil 22:26 Most items are available via random gen 22:27 Soko bag is just the most likely shot you have for one 22:28 Hmm. So this tattered cape is either invis, or MR. 22:28 Can I tell them apart without a scroll? 22:29 * arahael is an invisible monk. 22:30 Ah, wand of enlightenment woudl work. 22:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of finger of death", on T:67351 22:30 Hmm. Cloak of invis. Useless. 22:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping an iron amulet called cursed on an altar, on T:4373 22:33 lol 22:35 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:8404 22:37 -!- sebastia1toby has joined #hardfought 22:37 7 * 400 gold is what is needed for intrinsic protection for a level 7 character right from the temple 22:38 yeah, just 400*xlvl 22:39 -!- rld has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 22:39 -!- rld has joined #hardfought 22:39 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v rld] by ChanServ 22:41 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 22:45 Ooh, nice, actually I should just buy a level or two! 22:46 I've 12000 coins. :D 22:46 yes, you should 22:46 in slenice! 22:46 didn't realise you had quite that much gold lol 22:46 I pick up every coin I come across! 22:46 ! 22:47 I have only a few thousand... shame the price of protection is level dependent 22:47 loli: It makes sense, honestly. 22:47 amateurhour: I can buy two units of protection. 22:48 Unless I find a waith or something somewhere? 22:48 first purchase gets you 2-4 points 22:48 Hmm, I should probably just do that right off the bat, then. That's heaps significant. 22:48 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:8766 22:49 So, Xp12, means I have to pay 4800 coins. 22:49 heading to sleep now, it's closing in on 4am lol 22:49 amateurhour: Oh, wow! Sleep well! 22:49 best of luck with the run 22:49 I got 4 points! 22:49 And now only one more, but that's a very good outcome, still. 22:49 what 22:49 where am I 22:50 shrine of destiny 22:50 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:8894 22:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed orb of fate", on T:27729 22:53 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 22:55 dope it's cool seeing a quest, normally with slex I never see them 22:58 -!- bouquet has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:28600 23:00 -!- bouquet has joined #hardfought 23:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Con Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed scrollbook of identify", on T:68525 23:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wayfarer, on T:29033 23:14 -!- Agrius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:9000 23:18 [hdf-us] [spl] Bartlem (Sam Gul Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:10458 23:22 So, I'm nearly ready to do the Monk Quest, I think. But I have no robe. In 3.7.0, do I need a scroll of scare monster? 23:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:9527 23:23 My AC is -14, though. 23:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:9553 23:26 is it wise to just quaff potions if I can't figure a way to id them? 23:26 I guess that doesn't leave behind bottles 23:26 I guess read scrolls until I find id? 23:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) killed the invisible Chromatic Dragon, on T:30748 23:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30749 23:34 loli: price id is the way to go there. 23:35 it gave me funny numbers like 67 :( it seems like I had non on me (unless the two scrolls that were selling for 50 each count) 23:36 bloody hell self cursing boots 23:36 oh wait 23:36 I wore the wrong ones 23:36 .... 23:37 that is embarrassing 23:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 496 points, T:1982, killed by a cave spider 23:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] dolores (Val Hum Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:10446 23:39 Heh. 23:39 loli: 67 is not price ID. 23:39 well don't you try to sell it to shop keepers 23:39 check price? 23:40 loli: Erm, I mean, 67 does not mean that it's a scrollof ID. That's going to be the cheapest scroll, so yeah, sellig is easier. There are tables on the wiki. 23:40 oh boy choices I can either use the mjollni or excalibur 23:40 also I think I have a blessed maigc lamp 23:40 what should I wish for once I use it up 23:44 Done soko yet? 23:45 no I messed up a reverse soko 23:45 Hmm. How baldy? 23:45 *badly 23:46 I think decently 23:46 You can cheat in them, but with a significant luck penalty. 23:46 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Val Hum Mal Neu) became Odin's Envoy of Balance, on T:48419 23:46 I'm not getting lucky removing this curse 23:46 Maybe hang around in soko then, find a nymph? 23:46 remind me where the uh 23:46 quote database is 23:47 wait nvm 23:47 I found a nymph now 23:47 sadly she stole a differnet piece of armor 23:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] DexSG (Cav Gno Mal Neu) genocided class h, on T:32096 23:48 The trick is to set down everything else but the cursed armor(s) usually 23:48 well it's fine I killed her and she took my boots 23:48 shame i waste so many fountains 23:51 loli: Shouldn't have killed it. :) 23:52 *sigh*, I can't find a tshirt or another cloak, anywhere. 23:52 Another robe, rather. 23:52 Time to consider the quest, I guess. 23:52 finally got id 23:53 loli: Bless it. 23:53 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 23:53 well I just read id it as I was annoyed 23:53 but I did see what a lot of my potions are 23:53 "A lot of them"? Probably was blessed. 23:54 like 3 or 4, but a lot compared to the ones I did not know in my inventory 23:56 yeah I definitely have a blessed magic lamp 23:56 * Umbire waves at rebatela 23:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Wiz Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:27748