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I don't particularly love it. 05:55 hurts the brian 06:17 i really hope this isn't an 889 zkm wand of nothing 06:18 -!- k-man has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 06:18 !pom 06:18 rebatela: The moon is at first quarter; full moon in 7 days. 06:19 death. oh well. better than nothing 06:21 -!- raisse has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 06:26 amateurhour: sup 06:27 nm, u 06:27 just been out for a walk 06:27 decided instead of picking a random direction 06:27 i'll do the Curious Incident technique 06:28 this is from a book where this dude is lost and devises an algorithm for an outward spiraling walk 06:28 its good for thorough exploration 06:28 turns out i live right next to the fire-brigade and a hospital 06:28 i had no idea XD 06:28 explains all the sirens tho 06:29 there's also a police station nearby so i thought it was just that 06:29 im so well covered for emergency services, amazing 06:32 -!- k-man has joined #hardfought 06:32 nice 06:34 also my computer drops me in dwm/X within about 5 seconds of pressing "on" 06:34 including typing my passphrase and hitting enter on the grub thingy 06:34 SO SICK 06:34 aoei: I'm like four blocks from the city building (which is also the police station and the fire station), and six blocks in a different direction from the hospital. (This isn't particularly remarkable though: Galion's only like 15 or 20 blocks across in the long direction.) 06:34 jonadab: ah cool 06:35 I live in Germany's second largest city, and apparently right in the middle of a bunch of my district's public services 06:35 there's also a postal distribution centre *right* next door 06:35 Ah. 06:35 i can see it from my window 06:35 the german posties wear yellow and black uniforms and im pretty sure a bunch live in our flat block too lol 06:35 The post office is four blocks from here. One block from the public library, where I work. 06:35 seen them cojme and go 06:36 But, you know, not _everything_ is close in a small town. 06:36 yeah 06:36 The nearest train station is in Cleveland, nearly 2 hours away by car. 06:37 a well-infrastructured large city is often better than small towns in that sense, really 06:37 Depends what you're looking for. 06:37 i spose 06:38 afk for a bit, gonna prepare somethin for luuunch 06:38 Personally, I like _visiting_ large cities (well, nice ones; not, like, Detroit); but I wouldn't want to live too close to one. 06:38 i like cities but your american ones are terrible 06:38 so i understand 06:38 Some are better than others. 06:38 Columbus and Cinci are both much nicer than Cleveland, for instance. 06:38 fair 06:38 Chicago is a bazillion times better than New York. 06:39 one of my friends complains that almost none of them have e.g. decent public transport infra 06:39 even the "better" ones are not very well connected 06:39 Chicago has probably the best public transport of any city in North America. (San Francisco would be another contender.) 06:39 neat 06:39 here it is very good 06:40 Hamburg is strong on that front 06:40 But honestly, in North America, there's a very large and very negative stigma attached to not having a car. 06:40 that's unfortunate 06:40 i hope the culture changes 06:40 Americans think it's unfortunate that there are people in the world who don't have a car. 06:40 * aoei rolls her eyes 06:41 Yes, well. 06:41 Realistically, changing it would require fundamental changes to the population distribution, so that's likely not going to happen soon. 06:42 shame 06:42 i mean sure, having a care is personally useful to the individual 06:42 Eh. It enables some things that are very nice. Like a large portion of the population not actually living in a city at all. 06:43 but im sure you know all the arguments against everyone having one 06:43 If you go anywhere in North America, you see houses all along every road, no matter how far out in the country you are. 06:43 Oh, I do. 06:43 I actually don't personally own a car. Though I have family members that do, so I have access to vehicular transport if I actually need it. 06:44 A car in the US is a status symbol. 06:44 One that happens to be nearly essential given how their society is structured, but it still functions as a status symbol. 06:44 arahael: and right of passage as a grown-up 06:44 That, too. 06:44 But the way our population distribution is, is actually very nice in a lot of ways. More effective use of space. And lower population density, which is a big plus. 06:44 jonadab: yeah that's a fair point 06:45 jonadab: I hear your parking spaces are _huge_ though - makes everything really, really spread out. 06:45 By contrast, the older cities in belgium is much more dense and more designed for public transport and walkability. 06:45 * arahael misses belgium 06:45 arahael: _Everything_ is huge in North America. The parking spaces, the roads, the cars, the houses, the people, ... 06:45 jonadab: Heh. 06:46 The food portions... 06:46 (Note: I've never actually been in America) 06:46 I hear that the food portions are intended so that you have some to take home? 06:47 One of the things that tends to catch Europeans off guard when they come to America, is the size of America, and the distances between places. They say junk like "We're flying into New York, but we're thinking of taking a day trip down to Florida..." 06:48 jonadab: i've heard americans say equally ridiculous things about day trips to other european countries on a trip to europe :P 06:48 jonadab: I'm not quite understanding that point. 06:48 arahael: I think the intention is more that you have plenty to eat. Food has been in surplus for the entire history of our country. 06:48 jonadab: Quality food? 06:48 arahael: From New York to Florida is about a 20 hour drive one way. 06:48 Maybe more. 06:48 jonadab: presumably you'd fluy 06:48 fly* 06:49 jonadab: So, it makes sense to *fly* to New York, then? 06:49 jonadab: Unless there's a decent train... 06:49 yeah trains are nice for that kind of distance 06:49 Ok, yes, but you can't really fly for a day trip, because of overhead. 06:49 should be a little faster than driving 06:49 and then you dont have to like 06:49 actually drive 06:49 jonadab: true 06:50 jonadab: Why not? 06:50 i mean, you *can* do it 06:50 By the time you arrive at the airport an hour before you have to board your plane, and all the associated rigamarole, you're not going to want to fly again at the end of the day. 06:50 you just won't have that much time to spend actually in florida 06:50 jonadab: I've flown from Sydney to Melbourne and then back again the same day. 06:50 You *could*, but nobody would want to. 06:50 jonadab: It's very common... 06:50 arahael: i'd only do something like that if it was necessary for work tbh 06:51 aoei: It was a personal trip to visit a family member. 06:51 ah 06:51 aoei: But it's indeed particularly common for work. 06:51 Also, bear in mind, that from New York to Florida, you're probably going to have a layover in Atlanta for an hour. 06:51 jonadab: That's weird. 06:51 Though it *might* be possible to avoid that. 06:51 jonadab: train then 06:51 but your trains aren't fantastic either are they 06:51 aoei: This isn't Europe, yo. 06:51 Trains are for freight. 06:51 what 06:52 you americans are so weird 06:52 you can have two types of train you know 06:52 jonadab: It sounds more like that the solutions you think are absurd... Are absurd purely because the transport industry has made it so, not because they can't be reaslitically done. 06:52 There *are* passenger trains. 06:52 But they're... not common. 06:52 And they don't go most places. 06:52 Maybe they should be! 06:52 arahael: yeah they prioritise weirdly 06:52 aoei: Intensely. 06:52 arahael: much of this is because of the previous discussion we had about their obsession with cars :P 06:53 aoei: The railroad industry fought the demise of passenger rail service, hard. They lost, because everyone bought cars. 06:53 jonadab: Trains are dying in Australia, too, due to lack of investment in the transport services. 06:53 jonadab: and many of your countrypersons think a great idea of a vacation is driving all the way across america east to west coast or vice versa 06:53 Except for a few places (e.g., New York to Boston), running a passenger rail service in North America is uneconomic. 06:53 I can't think of a worse way to holiday! 06:54 arahael: ROAD TRIP 06:54 jonadab: "uneconomic" to an american means "We can get the citizen to pay directly, instead". 06:54 aoei: It's very rare these days for anyone to drive all the way coast to coast. Because that would take more than a week. 06:54 And then you'd need to turn around and go back, which is another week. 06:54 jonadab: maybe i'm exaggerating the road trip thing a little 06:54 but it is a thing isnt it 06:54 But yes, Americans do think driving around is a practical way to travel. 06:54 well not just that 06:55 i get the sense y'all sometimes do it for the fun of driving and hanging out with your buds in a car for a whole day if not more 06:55 i mean maybe it's just a silly trope in movies 06:55 idk 06:55 jonadab: By contrast, I once arrived in Belgium, and discovered that cars were *literally banned* for that day. In the nation's capital city. 06:55 The thing about a driving vacation is you can totally make your own schedule. If you wake up early in the hotel room, you can get on the road early. If you sleep in, no problem, you just get there later. 06:55 jonadab: Got around just fine. 06:56 jonadab: yeah i mean that's cool, the freedom of it is a nice thing 06:56 I mean, if you want a car-free experience in North America, you can always go to Mackinac Island. 06:56 Cars are, as you say, banned. 06:56 and I *do* find it stressful to get to things like trains or ferrys on time when holidaying and getting from place to place 06:57 because often you'll pay for a specific one, unless you want to pay a much higher prices for a flexi ticket 06:57 and if you miss it you're kinda fucked 06:57 aoei: That's mitigated by not having the stress to find, and pay for, a park, though. :) 06:57 arahael: true but also less of a problem in the US? 06:57 packing in european cities is horrible 06:57 Ah, I dunno - I've never been to the US. 06:57 fortunately i ahvent had to do it 06:57 arahael: well this is my impression from some of the stuff i heard and even you mentioned hearing 06:58 like their parking lots being huge etc. 06:58 I think my favorite vacation that I've ever had, was the one where we drove up through Michigan to Sault Ste Marie, then across to Little Current, spend two days and three nights on Manitoulin Island, then took the ferry to Tobermory and drove down the Bruce Peninsula, and spent a couple of days in the Toronto area, and went through Niagara Falls on the way home. 06:58 i also havent actually been to the us lol 06:58 aoei: I have to admit - I have no desire to be in the US. :( The politics is insane, too. 06:58 yoooo i went to Tobermorey a couple of summers ago 06:58 arahael: In America, you only have to pay for parking in a few places, mainly around tourist areas like Niagara Falls. 06:59 arahael: well yeah if it werent for some friends i have over there i kinda wanna visit i woudln't remotely be considering it ever 06:59 And occasionally in really big cities. 06:59 jonadab: i went to the Tobermory in Scotland tho c: 06:59 aoei: I've had multiple americans challenge me asking if I'm voting for , and they get incensed when I say no, because apparently that's a complete support for whoever the heck the other optioni is. It's so binary and polarised. 06:59 aoei: Heh, different Tobermory. 06:59 jonadab: yeah i figured :P 06:59 the scottish one is also a Scotch 07:00 but not the best imho 07:00 its decent, just nothing special 07:00 The ferry across Lake Huron was actually a really neat experience. Though I'm told the locals drive around, it's faster. 07:00 ferries are cute 07:01 Hamburg has a ferry bus - as in you can ride it with the same ticket you use for the tubes and bus 07:01 nobody ever uses it for actually getting anywhhere 07:01 They had a guy on the ferry, the day we took it, from one of the local tribes, who gave a talk about the significance of a particular two-beat rhythm in Native American music culture. 07:01 but in summer its a nice little ride to go on if you have visitors 07:01 Which was really cool. 07:01 classic option for tourist friends or family when they come 07:02 jonadab: nice 07:02 * arahael suddenly realses... Nethack should turn food into pancakes if you roll a boulder over them. 07:02 Haha. 07:02 XD 07:02 arahael: And monsters? 07:02 jonadab: meat pancake maybe? 07:02 jonadab: Anything edible. 07:02 "fleshy pancake" 07:02 Maybe only if the boulder kills the monster. 07:03 haha 07:03 jonadab: Naturally. 07:03 * jonadab now imagines cold attacks turning killed enemies into "meat popsicle". 07:03 Hmm, now I miss pancakes. I really should learn how to make a decent one. 07:04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Dd_qiuWxPs 07:04 (And yes: With meat in it) 07:04 Pancakes are not difficult to make. 07:05 I make them from time to time. 07:05 jonadab: Trouble is, I don't know how to make one. Something with kimchi in it would be nice. 07:06 The important thing is to also take some home-canned fruit, and use sugar and cornstarch to thicken the juice it's canned in, to make a fruit topping for the pancakes. 07:06 Because tree-flavored syrup is just not that good. 07:06 arahael: Oh, you don't mean pancake, then. You mean okonomiyaki. That's different. 07:07 You wouldn't put kimchi in pancakes. Slices of banana, maybe. Or bits of apple. Or chocolate chips. 07:08 jonadab: No, not okonomiyaki, more like https://kimchimari.com/10-korean-pancakes-recipes/ 07:09 arahael: That's WAY closer to okonomiyaki, than it is to pancakes. The recipe has no sugar in it _at all_. 07:09 ANd it has flipping _garlic_ for crying out loud. 07:09 And onion. 07:09 jonadab: In any case, many of those are "pancakes". 07:09 jonadab: i think you have a rather american view on pancakes 07:09 try some in europe 07:10 arahael: "Pancakes" is a specific dish. 07:10 Heh. 07:10 they often have no sugar or are eaten with savory things 07:10 tho you can have them with sugar on top 07:10 in fact im pretty sure the typical recipe in the UK never has sugar in the pancake itself 07:10 tho often as a toping 07:10 topping* 07:11 Yeah - I find you end up adding even more sugar to it, but it does make for a somewhat nicer pancake - more flavours. 07:12 arahael: have you ever been to an ethiopean restaurant? 07:13 aoei: Sadly no. 07:13 i went to one before and they have this bready stuff very similar to pancake 07:13 and all these saucy meaty or saucy veggie random things of deliciousness 07:13 aoei: One restriction in my diet is that I can't have any diary, so that does restrict things somewhat when going out. 07:13 and the typical style is to rip off bits from this huge pancake thing 07:14 and then use that to pick up stuff 07:14 and eat it like that 07:14 its fun and very tasty 07:14 arahael: iirc itw asn't very heavy on the dairy 07:14 Ah, nice, yeah, that works well. 07:14 i was vegan at the time so i was asking them like 07:14 I like eating curries with bread, which is a similar concept. 07:14 which dishes were dairy free and so on 07:14 quite a lot were 07:15 Which ethnic restaurants are available differs significantly depending where in the world you are. Ethopian is not one of the options around here. 07:15 jonadab: indeed 07:15 but if you ever holidaying somewhere and find one, i would recommend it 07:15 really great cuisine 07:15 The major ones are Mexican, Italian, Chinese, and Seafood. 07:15 I just avoid American resoutrants. :) 07:16 arahael: Heh. Fair. 07:16 I mean, restaurants are never going to be as good as real homemade food, anywhere. 07:16 Also, american versions of asian restuarants. :( Those are... Disappointing. 07:16 That's just fundamental. 07:16 jonadab: Oh, I disagree. 07:16 I also disgree but like 07:16 it depends on the skill of the person doing the home-cooking 07:16 and the quality of the restaurants 07:17 Ok, yes, but people who aren't good at cooking, don't. 07:17 jonadab: Restuarants in many countries are even better than home made. Especially, eg, the street food of vietnam, etc. 07:17 i think nearly everyone can make better stuff at home than a mcdonalds 07:17 Well, yes, but that's a low bar. 07:17 arahael: i had a lot of great food in Thailand 07:17 jonadab: true :P 07:17 On the list of things McDondald's is good at, making food isn't high on the list. 07:17 aoei: "nearly", I've met people who only learnt how to make a sandwhich as an adult, and another whose limit of cooking is "maybe, toast". 07:17 indeed 07:18 (Top of the list is advertising. McD's is amazing at advertising.) 07:18 arahael: jesus 07:18 XD 07:18 jonadab: true 07:18 aoei: Lucky bastard is practically married to a chinese girl, who is an excellent cook, but he doesn't like chinese. Some people are morons. :( 07:18 jonadab: they're also amazing at letting everyone anywhere in a city know where the nearest fucking mcdonalds is 07:18 jonadab: can barely walk the city without seeing a sign that says what direction and how far 07:18 jonadab: [backscroll] I can tell you that in a large city with a public transit network (New York), there is no stigma for not owning a car. 07:18 arahael: ehhhhh D: 07:19 aoei: That partly ties in with the fact that they're really really good at picking locations. 07:19 If there's one place in an entire city that you have to go past on your way to anything, there'll usually be a McDonald's in that place. 07:19 jonadab: lmao no doubt 07:19 However, people will buy and own cars until there is no on-street parking left in their neighborhood. 07:19 aoei: My favorite crusine at the moment is probably vietnamese, thai, and vegan indian. 07:19 aosdict: people are assholes D: 07:20 People are idiots. 07:20 aoei: nah, there's nothing jerky about that, it's just economics 07:20 arahael: ohhh those are all great (ok well not really tried vietnamese, but the other two, plus i wouldnt be surprised if its awesssssooome) 07:20 aosdict: whats the economic incentive there? 07:20 aosdict: Economically speaking, the reasonable thing to do would be to move out of New York City, because it's too crowded and expensive. 07:20 aoei: Pro tip: If you're in a vietnamese restuarant and they have Pho on the menu - order the Pho. 07:21 ok 07:21 if I move into a neighborhood that doesn't have on street parking because everyone else already has cars, I'm less likely to live in that neighborhood with a car 07:21 aoei: *especially* if you're in an otherwise western or perhaps even european area. :( 07:22 arahael: is that the only thing that'll be reliably decent if you're not actually in Vietnam? 07:22 aoei: The Pho will be very very close to authentic - maybe slightly sweeter than what you'd get in Vietnam, but otherwise typically authentic. 07:22 ah ok 07:22 If you live in a place with a reasonable population density, the lots are large enough that you have a garage and a driveway. 07:22 aoei: It's also about avoiding the "westernised" dishes. 07:22 arahael: well yeah of course there's nothing decent about that 07:22 aoei: They ahve some great menus, but you do need to be careful not to get the 'western' dishes. 07:22 aoei: The economic incentive for owning a car is the same as anywhere, really - it gives you a way to travel to arbitrary locations not limited by where public transit can take you, and is a private space that you don't need to share with strangers 07:23 arahael: what would you say is the biggest problem with the way they're westernised 07:23 It's just that city parking puts more drawbacks on it than normal 07:23 aoei: Eg, my wife and I went to a vientamese restuarant in Sydney, Australia. I ordered the Pho, because duh. She ordered a chicken noodle dish - which might've been vietnamese, but it turend out to be the 'western' option - essentially amounted to a classic chinese chicken dish with the sauce thickened with corn flour, which is... Not vientamese. 07:23 mkay 07:23 arahael: I'm told that on the west coast, a lot of Chinese restaurants are run by actual Chinese people, freqently first-generation immigrants, and if you speak enough Cantonese (or in some cases Mandarin) to ask, they often have a secret/Chinese menu that you can order from, that's more authentic. 07:24 aoei: Biggest problem with western versions of asian meals... They become more "chinese" - and by that, I mean, with the gloopy cornflour and are often veyr very sweet. 07:24 But I live in Ohio, where Chinese restaurants don't serve green tea, only "regular" (black) tea. 07:24 jonadab: heh no kidding 07:24 aoei: When the meal authentically is supposed to be savory. 07:24 arahael: oh god yes ok. i have had stuff like taht before and it's not great 07:25 now, in Thailand they have one really popular dish that is actually *supposed* to be sweet 07:25 Oh, I'm sure. 07:25 and it is amazing, also really very hot 07:25 typically 07:25 My favorite thailand dish is actually pretty sweet - five spice pork. 07:25 we had it on a train trip and they gave you a packet of sugar to pour on it 07:25 im trying to remembe rthe name of the dish 07:25 phad thai 07:25 I've heard good things about Thai food, but I've never had it. It's hard to find in the Midwest. 07:26 it's extremely popular, and outside of tourist traps usually really cheap 07:26 Ah... No... That shouldn't be terribly sweet. Well, they do add some sugar to it, but only to balance the sour flavours. 07:26 lol maybe i put too much sugar on mine that time 07:26 And on the few occasions I've been in places where it would be available (Chicago, Toronto, etc.), I was always with people who wouldn't want to try a new kind of ethnic food. 07:26 now i think about it it wasnt always that sweet 07:27 aoei: They do make them sweeter when westernising them. 07:27 yeah 07:27 I mostly avoid east asian food, because I'm a vegetarian and have learned through experience that no matter what you say to ensure your food isn't made with meat, the restaurant tends to use fish sauce anyway. 07:27 People like my sister, who on vacation will order cheeseburgers at every restaurant and then complain she's tired of eating cheeseburgers -- but she won't order something else. 07:27 aosdict: You're hitting a cultural/linguistic translation issue, there. 07:28 Fish is not considered to be meat in most cultures. 07:28 arahael: In some cases. In other cases, the restaurant puts fish sauce in practically every dish, and they don't consider it meat, yeah. 07:28 yeah that makes it a bit trickier 07:28 aosdict: A lot of east asians are in buddhist areas (to overly generalise). And they will often have a day a week (wednesday, I think), where they will refrain from eating meat and eat only vegetable dishes. And like jonadab mentioned, Fish is a vegetable. ;) 07:29 I don't think they would say fish is a vegetable. 07:29 I was vegetarian when I went to Thailand but probably ate a fair bit of fish sauce 07:29 Not as such, but it's considered vegetarians. 07:29 and the occasional accidental meat 07:29 but usually just the fish sauce 07:29 But it's not meat, because meat is the flesh of animals, and fish (and possibly birds) are separate categories from animals. 07:30 carl linnaeus would like a word 07:30 aoei: Next time you're in vietnam, seek out the buddhist restuarants - ask your hotel manager for some recommendations for vegan buddhist foods. Some of them are amazing. 07:30 I don't think the English-speaking world started to think of fish and birds as animals until the modern biological classification scheme (Kingdom Phylum blah blah blah) was introduced. 07:30 arahael: :o 07:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Frozty (Ran Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:7362 07:30 aoei: I once had this "meat and three veg" meal there - very americanised... but it was a buddhist vegan version that somehow made it look "real", but they made the meat stuff out of *mushrooms*. 07:31 arahael: much as I would love to return to south east asia, I already feel a bit guilty about having made the long haul trip once 07:31 aoei: Ah, for us, it's the budget location. ;) Being Australian and all... 07:31 yeah 07:31 I also met a few cool aussies over there lol, 07:31 If you look at sources that predate the Kingdom/Phylum stuff, you'll see phrases like "men and animals and fish and birds" all over the place. 07:32 arahael: i wouldn't totally rule out going back there though 07:32 I fucking loved thailand 07:32 and felt like I didn't get enough of the best place: Bangkok 07:32 you can't explore Bangkok nearly enough in only 10 days 07:32 aoei: It's awesome. But I do get a bit weirded out at how the classes are separated... Very obvious how the upperclass and lowerclass lives. 07:32 yeah 07:33 aoei: I mean, there's privilages and separations everywhere, but it's really really overt in bangkok. 07:33 they have an extremely rich upper echelons 07:33 i read somethin gabout that 07:33 When we went to bangkok, I went to the slums, I had found a few decent cooking classes and such, was a good experience. 07:33 arahael: but I liked bangkok the most because although heavily touristed, it was the only place I visited that felt like a city that belonged to the locals 07:34 aoei: At ground level, sure. 07:34 Historically, most of the world has had a rather sharp and firm divide between the wealthy and the poor classes, for most of history. Modern Western societies are actually kind of notable for rejecting that. 07:34 jonadab: It's *really* overt in Bankok, though. It's literally a ground-level vs upper-levels distinction. 07:35 arahael: yeah, my impression as a tourist being there, the reality is probably a lot more complex 07:35 The idea that all humans have intrinsic value, came out of the Reformation, really. 07:35 next stop was Chiang Mai and... idk there it felt like the majority of people were in fact european tourists 07:35 aoei: Lovely history, though. 07:35 also a pretty beautiful place 07:36 aoei: I stayed in the old square there, and yes, it was beautiful. And you can walk out too and there's more 'local' places not that far, anyway. 07:36 well, not just european i guess 07:36 probably a fair few aussies and some people from other parts 07:36 aoei: I haven't been to thailand much, though - so that's now the limit of my experience there. 07:36 aoei: I didn't even go to hte tourist trap that is phuket. :) 07:36 eh which one was phuket 07:36 that rings a bell 07:36 Well, the Europeans (and yes, Australians and Americans) stand out as obvious Tourists in Asia, because they're, you know, not Asian. 07:37 jonadab: indeed XD 07:37 There were probably at least as many Chinese tourists. 07:37 jonadab: true 07:37 and some we did notice 07:37 tho it is less obvious for the reasons you mentioned 07:37 Funnily enough, vietnamese and probably thailand people do not like the chinese. 07:37 Which is curious. 07:38 There are good reasons for that. 07:38 Related to regional politics. 07:38 i vaguely remember some chinese tourists being rather rude in markets 07:38 jonadab: Not just that. 07:38 but i imagine there are other reasons, historical or political 07:38 Short version: the Chinese government isn't nice to its neighbors. 07:39 And yes, there are also badly-behaved Chinese tourists; but I don't think that's the issue. I have little doubt there are badly-behaved American tourists as well, and probably European ones also. 07:39 jonadab: Egh, complex topic. How about we switch to american politics instead? ;) (No, lets not!) 07:39 oh god 07:39 yeah please lets not 07:39 People in tourism-dependent areas put up with badly-behaved tourists because money. 07:39 im already upset enough by last night's news 07:39 and i dont even live there 07:40 aoei: What happened last night? 07:40 I have learned that it's a bad idea to try to discuss *current* American poltics with Europeans. 07:40 History is fine. Current stuff, not. 07:40 arahael: well two things, first Trump said he won't go peacefully 07:40 which wasn't a big surprise 07:41 secondly, according to aosdict state of Pennsylvania legislature were saying something (publicly, openly) about overturning the popular vote if Trump loses 07:41 aosdict: have I got this right? 07:41 aoei: Yes, THAT I saw in my news. Insane, but yes, indeed, not surprising. Ah, interesting... I heard rumours that Trumpists were basically advocating a civil war. 07:41 it's kinda scary 07:42 (As opposed to you know... Actually democracy) 07:42 arahael: indeed 07:42 Yeah - two countries I refuse to ever visit: America, and China. 07:42 America is markedly better in person, than what you see on the news/internet. 07:42 China, not so much. 07:43 arahael: I have a chinese friend who I absolutely love to bits 07:43 arahael: but he constantly defends his goverment and tells me all the bad stuff is just western propaganda :^) 07:43 i find it so confusing 07:43 he's a very intelligent guy 07:43 aoei: They do tightly control their media, so not surprising. 07:43 i guess 07:43 it's still really weird to me 07:43 Right, he's spent his entire life hearing only one view. 07:44 From literally everyone he knows. 07:44 To learn about a country, you really have to go to the minority in that country, especially the poor. 07:44 jonadab: we have definitely (as europeans, he's been in Hamburg about as long as me - 5 years) had an effect on him 07:44 but yeah 07:44 until coming to europe he spent his whole life there 07:45 jonadab: Meh, I don't particularly even relish the *trip* and the immigration process. 07:45 jonadab: And I would not cope with the insane way you pay for things there! 07:45 arahael: Well, immigration would be a much more drastic step than just visiting. 07:46 arahael: lol, the Thai visa process was so fast and easy 07:46 but i mean 07:46 tourism is huge there 07:46 In my world, things have a cost. You can negotiate that price, but there's a price. Once agreed, that's the amount you pay. You don't go inventing random crap on top of that and none of that tip nonsense. 07:46 The insane way we pay for things? Which way is that? Personally I mostly use cash, or write a check, but I think most Americans use credit cards most of the time. 07:46 so it maeks sense 07:46 But you don't _have_ to use credit cards. 07:46 I don't. 07:46 Oh, sales tax. Dude, it's like 5%. 07:46 -!- oh6 has quit [Quit: boopboop boop] 07:46 arahael: yeah but there's a problem there with the way certain types of worker are paid in america 07:46 jonadab: So put it into the price. 07:47 arahael: it'ss far below living wage and if you don't tip they're gonna have a shit time 07:47 And tips are only relevant in restaurants, and a handful of exotic situations you won't run into unless you're rich. 07:47 Like if you go to a hotel fancy enough to have bellhops, for crying out loud. 07:47 aoei: That sort of thing should be made explicit, though. 07:47 arahael: That would cause problems for non-profits that are not allowed to pay tax. 07:47 arahael: I agree with you tho, in the sense they should pay waiting staff a proper wage 07:48 arahael: working rights and treatment are generally appalling in the US 07:48 I do think it would be nice if price tags listed both prices, without tax and with. 07:48 (depends on the sate, but it's generally very bad) 07:48 aoei: Well, what about the case where you can call for a medical product, and nobody can even give a price? 07:48 aoei: Worker's rights are better in the US than almost anywhere in the world except Europe. 07:49 jonadab: yeah well, catch the fuck up 07:49 *honestly* :P 07:49 arahael: about this i know absolutely nothing 07:49 Europe, granted, is at a whole other level, with like, nine months a year of guaranteed paid vacation, or whatever. 07:49 jonadab: wait what 07:49 nobody is getting that much vacation XD 07:50 I don't remember the actual number, just that it was huuge. 07:50 aoei: Europeans do, in general, get far, far more public holidays and leave entitlements than the typical american. 07:50 i mean maybe if you're pregnant you can get close to that 07:50 arahael: well sure 07:50 but 9 months would mean you only work 3 months out of the year lmao 07:50 I think the 9 months thing was an exageration. 07:50 OH RIGHT HYPERBOLE4 07:50 i forgot that sa thig 07:50 i do also enjoy a bit of hyperbole from time to time 07:51 Yes, I said nine months so it would be clear that I was exaggerating, because I was pretty sure if I tried to remember the actual number, I'd get it wrong. 07:51 yeah it varies i think something like 30 days is common 07:51 Some white-collar Americans get nearly that much. 07:51 in the US there's very little or even none that's actually guaranteed legally right? 07:52 most of our countries have a legal minimum of some sort 07:52 Paid vacation is not _legally_ guaranteed in America, no. 07:52 And a lot fo employment in the US is "at will". 07:52 i had friends who worked in the same physical location as me but only got 20 days holiday 07:52 just because they paid by a different institution 07:52 now, I and my colleagues were phd students, but in germany it's now common to have proper work contracts for that 07:53 so we did have those and the legal rights that comes with 07:53 so the german minimum might be 20 days 07:53 but im not 100% sure 07:53 it's that or less 07:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:944 07:54 The cultural norm in America is that salaried employees normally get a couple of weeks of paid vacation per year. Higher classes of employees (CEOs and such) get more, of course. 07:54 of course 07:54 they press more important buttons 07:54 The thing that prevents an employer from not giving you enough vacation, is that you can go GET A BETTER JOB. 07:55 If something (other than your own inertia) is preventing you from leaving your current employer, we call that human trafficking and it's extremely illegal. 07:55 over here we call it rampant neoliberalist propaganda 07:56 From what I've heard, though, the actual jobs market is much smaller than you're implying. :) 07:56 arahael: Finding a new job does take actual effort. Not saying it doesn't. 07:56 Eg, if there are literally no other places that offer a job "nearby" that has the same or higher salary... 07:56 jonadab: I have a friend stuck in a shitty job working 80 hours some weeks just to make *ends meet* 07:56 jonadab: where do you suggest she finds the time to find a better job? 07:56 Salary isn't the only consideration. 07:57 If something (other than your own inertia) is preventing you from leaving your current employer 07:57 jonadab: I feel that that philosophy is from a fairly privilaged point of view. 07:57 you mean like health insurance? 07:57 Ha. 07:57 hothraxxa: Ok, yes, the "you lose your insurance if you leave your job" thing is a problem. We need to fix that. 07:57 health insurance, rent, not being able to eat if you quit before you foudn that new job, not having any time to search for a new job because you work so much that you're exhausted when you're not? 07:57 Probably by making it illegal for an insurance company to discriminate based on who your employer is. 07:58 health care for profit is simply immoral 07:58 hothraxxa: indeed 07:59 The insulin racket is... insane. 07:59 jonadab: your nation has a lot of people stuck in lil neoliberalist rat race for the benefit of companies and property owners, with no time or money to do anything else but work and generate profit for those two groups 07:59 aoei: I don't think most of them are as stuck as all that. Though sometimes they *feel* like they are. 07:59 and no real opportunity to make savings for crisis situations like the one currently facing our world 07:59 Privilaged perspective, jonadab! 07:59 jonadab: I would argue a *significant* number of people are 08:00 yeah, what arahael said 08:00 Eh, I've worked fast food. 08:00 i mean sure i dont have hard statistics on this shit 08:00 By background isn't as privileged as you think. 08:00 For example, me... I'm able to consider quitting my job if I don't like it. But... I have had the luxery of being able to adequately save for such an eventuality. 08:00 jonadab: Not the background... The *perspective*. 08:00 Heck, I paid back most of my college debt, by working fast food. 08:01 jonadab: So you were able to earn more than your expenses. Nice. 08:01 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:9298 08:01 jonadab: Considered donig that whilst buying insulin or having other medical expenses? 08:01 arahael: I deliberately kept my expenses in check by not spending money. 08:01 i should really go make lunch like i said i was gonna like... ages ago 08:01 aoei: Lunch? I'm thinking about bed. :) 08:01 jonadab: not all expenses are voluntary 08:02 aoei: You're talking about Americans here. 08:02 why does it always turn into a politics shitfest 08:02 I just wanna talk about nethack 08:02 I promise, whichever Americans you're talking about, are spending hundreds of dollars a month on things the would NOT actually have to spend that money on. 08:02 amateurhour: idk why but your comment just now had me burst out laughing 08:02 amateurhour: I proposed that if you roll a boulder over a consumable, it should become a pancake! 08:02 All Americans do. 08:02 Well, pretty much all. 08:02 full support arahael 08:02 OK 08:02 enough politics 08:02 let's list it as a YANI so aosdict's script can pick it up 08:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon her by Anhur, on T:1862 08:03 im gonna make lunch 08:03 and then play morrowind or something maybe 08:03 because morrowind is fuckin coooool 08:03 YANI: (from arahael) if a boulder rolls over a consumable, it should become a pancake 08:03 amateurhour: I think this is why some IRC channels explicitly ban politics talk lol 08:04 YASI: if the boulder is somehow cursed, the boulder should be the thing that becomes the pancake 08:04 boulders can be cursed!? 08:04 Yeah 08:06 amateurhour: can vanilla boulders be cursed or just slex ones? 08:06 I'd think that if the boulder is cursed, then so should the resulting pancake. 08:06 And perhaps the pancake should become a thing that causes sickness in that case. 08:07 you're turning a silly idea way too complicated 08:07 aosdict: no its not a silly idea, it's a slex idea c: 08:07 oh wait 08:07 same thing :D 08:08 Oh no. :( I have 4 HP in soko, and have a xan right next to me. 08:09 roll a boulder at the xan and turn them into a boulder 08:09 uh 08:09 into a pancake 08:09 lol 08:09 amateurhour: Turning them into a boulder would be way too complicated. 08:09 cursed boulder: turns boulders into monsters when it rolls over a boulder 08:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3045 08:09 Woo! Elbereth still works in 3.7.0 08:10 arahael: lies 08:10 treacherous lies 08:10 Why can't I put on my robe? 08:10 btw someone in #nethack did their second ever ascension (and it was streaked) 08:10 and their ascended did illiterate conduct 08:11 I can't english today, I hope you can parse that 08:11 I can suddenly wear a robe now! 08:11 Bizarre. 08:12 huh 08:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a quarterstaff entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:4509 08:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:4104 08:18 I love it how you can swap positions with pets and peacefuls in 3.7.0's soko. 08:19 amateurhour: they've ascended only twice ever, which was a two-streak, second one illit? 08:19 yes 08:19 dang 08:19 that's pretty fuckin cool 08:19 am I not in #NetHack? 08:19 I thought I was 08:19 * aoei looks 08:20 ok no, not just detached, not in it at all 08:20 Oh, just a crappy BoH in soko. :( 08:20 ZNC occasionally makes this more confusing 08:20 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, on T:5430 08:20 arahael: woot 08:21 I wanted reflection.:( 08:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4786 08:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:4935 08:23 arahael: i always want reflection 08:23 well, nearly always 08:23 Right. 08:23 on rare occasions I already have it 08:23 get "oR soko 08:23 and still don't have a BoH by Gehennom 08:23 >:( 08:24 Yeah. What's my best chance of reflection now? 08:25 statue of perseus 08:27 Hmm, that's a shield, though. 08:27 So probably harms spellcasting. 08:27 it does yeah 08:27 oh just noticed you're a monk as well 08:28 Indeed. 08:28 I really wanted the "oR. 08:28 yeah I'd just wish for the amulet if/when you can, and just yolo it to the castle without it 08:28 I suspect you're right. :( 08:29 it's not that bad, several of my monk ascensions did the castle without reflection/mr 08:29 I've actually never ascended. 08:29 ooh, and picking the best role to start with, nice 08:30 Heh. ;) 08:30 I _enjoy_ playing as this, though. 08:30 it's my favourite role for sure 08:32 have you beaten master kaen before? 08:33 No, I've been on his level though but tend to get the **** out. :) 08:35 he's difficult, and the wiki is confusing about what still works 08:35 just be aware that scare monster will NOT work in 3.7, don't throw a game away trying that 08:35 I gather it now depends on version. Ah, good to know. 08:35 I'll very likely ask for advice when I get to him. 08:36 they're not guaranteed to have MR anymore so wand of death works I think 08:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 bone gauntlets of power", on T:6309 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (master mind flayers), on T:358 08:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a cloth armor entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:6632 08:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Raisse's ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:10099 08:43 Jay's ghost? Who is he? 08:45 Michiel's ghost? 08:45 think they're just randomly named ghosts 08:46 not all ghosts are from bones 08:46 Yeah, this is a wierd level. 08:46 They're relatively easy to kill, too. 08:48 monks get a decent to-hit bonus from martial arts without a shield 08:49 Yep. 08:49 I've played a *lot* of monk games. 08:49 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) polymorphed his first item, on T:7941 08:50 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:7654 08:52 maybe this is teh run 08:53 amateurhour: Unlikely. :) 08:54 amateurhour: I always yasd. ;) I dont take the game serously enough. 08:54 it happens 08:55 amateurhour: I've been playing nethack on-and-off for more than a decade. :) 08:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7451 08:56 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:57 Jay is Jay Fenlason. Michiel is probably Michiel Huisjes 08:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8957 08:57 paxed: Ah, cool. 08:57 ooh nice history 08:57 The dev team. 08:58 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:8207 09:01 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:9870 09:06 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 09:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1296 09:18 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) had a magical etched staff entrusted to him by Thoth, on T:10494 09:19 <{Demo}> what kinda magical? 09:23 -!- amateurhour has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 09:23 -!- amateurh1ur has joined #hardfought 09:23 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Hea Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2961 09:23 Uh oh... Genetic engineers? 09:24 do you have MR? 09:24 you found one already? 09:24 I have a "Faded Pall". 09:24 amateurh1ur: On dlvl 20, yes. 09:25 don't let them touch you 09:25 they can polymorph you if you don't have MR 09:25 read this commit message for when they were introduced 09:25 https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/commit/7817e69c41a145cb9426ec96e0feee2aed6f0be6 09:25 Yeah, I ran away. :/ 09:27 But it means it's decently near the stairs now. 09:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Set, on T:13867 09:39 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 09:39 !tell K2 pushed a fix to vault guards 09:39 I'm on it, FIQ. 09:39 !who 09:39 FIQ: [hdf-us] Bartlem [evil] sluggoman [evil] tsingi [nh370] klintos [nh343] hothraxxa [xnh] dbanethacker [4k] | [hdf-eu] microlance [evil] | [hdf-au] Arahael [nh370] 09:40 amateurh1ur: Aaaaand there ya go! 09:41 <{Demo}> vault guards broken??? 09:41 Was melee attacking gargogles... I'm dead now. 09:41 if in doubt, pull out 09:41 -!- amateurh1ur is now known as amateurhour 09:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] Arahael (Mon Hum Mal Law), 46001 points, T:11944, killed by a gargoyle 09:41 rip ;_;7 09:42 amateurhour: I was carrying a gargogle to the altar, when another one appeared right next to me. 09:42 Was in the process of making some holy water. 09:42 Good game, though. 09:43 3.7.0 is significantly improved from 3.6.x 09:43 A bit more fun. 09:43 for sure 09:44 On that note - g'night. 09:44 sleep well! 09:44 Thanks! 09:44 night arahael 09:45 Everyone. :) 09:47 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:29838 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:2650 09:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) signified by divine providence, was chosen to carry Excalibur, on T:2785 09:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a leather bag of holding, on T:16657 09:58 {Demo}: a vanilla bug, incidentally 09:58 but it was fixed in 3.6.x end already 09:58 <{Demo}> what bug? :O 09:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3013 09:58 <{Demo}> is it fixed in dnh? 09:59 the vault guard would still run its AI after disappearing because the monster remains around, just moved away from the map 09:59 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Croesus, on T:30103 10:00 The orc shaman zaps an iron wand! Your lichen corpse suddenly comes alive! Your lichen corpse suddenly comes alive! You shudder in dread. 10:00 Hm, didn't know monsters could zap wands of undead turning at me. 10:00 in vanilla 3.4.3 this didn't cause too much trouble, but it caused problems in fiqhack after I changed t_at 10:00 <{Demo}> ah uh oh 10:00 to complain if it was checking a trap outside the ma 10:00 <{Demo}> nice 10:00 <{Demo}> looks like u were right on that one 10:00 *map 10:00 <{Demo}> to have it impossible() if checking t_at off map instead of just checking is_ok() and if it returns false, return false and dont complain 10:01 <{Demo}> isok bleh 10:01 I basically just ported the 3.6.x fix but slightly modified since there was a bit of redundant code 10:01 yeah 10:01 it does use isok 10:01 it just doesn't silently return on failure 10:01 but rather complains 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3578 10:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3077 points, T:4078, killed by a soldier ant 10:14 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 10:24 [hdf-us] [4k] DBAfourkHacker (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Minetown temple, on T:2589 10:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) became Thoth's Envoy of Balance, on T:21819 10:39 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 10:40 hi 10:40 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 10:40 K2: Message from FIQ at 2020-09-24 09:39 EDT: pushed a fix to vault guards 10:41 <{Demo}> hey k2 10:41 hey 10:41 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 10:41 FIQ - will his save work or will it still need to be adjusted? 10:42 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 10:50 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 10:51 K2: it will work fine 10:51 !who 10:51 FIQ: [hdf-us] sluggoman [evil] hackedhead [nh4] Som [dnh] phaperplane2 [dnh] zoya [xnh] hothraxxa [xnh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [evil] Anerag [nh370] mobileuser [slex] aoei [spl] | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 10:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 2682 points, T:2952, quit 11:01 FIQhack updated (all servers) 11:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Cav Hum Mal Neu), 1378 points, T:1695, quit 11:08 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Inc Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1434 11:16 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:6999 11:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed the invisible Anaraxis the Black, on T:39259 11:23 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:39260 11:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:39525 11:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide t-shirt of decay", on T:28033 11:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) performed his first genocide (alhoons), on T:28051 11:38 -!- misha has joined #hardfought 11:44 is it a known bug that you can farlook the riders on astral or is this a wizmode exception? 11:45 in UnNetHack, or...? 11:45 I disabled wizmode with gdb manipulation and I can't wizmode wish anymore but the Riders still appear by name 11:45 in 3.7 11:46 <{Demo}> that's a bug? 11:46 -!- eggandhull has joined #hardfought 11:46 Fairly sure them being obfuscated is specifically an UnNetHack thing. 11:46 <{Demo}> what makes being able to farlook riders a bug? 11:46 <{Demo}> ah 11:46 although I tested it because someone reported that you can MONSTERCOLOR the riders in unnethack to different colors 11:46 <{Demo}> ok so because bhaak said so, that's valid i guess? 11:47 are they farlookable in 3.4.3? 11:47 yes 11:47 <{Demo}> why would they not be farlookable wtf? 11:47 <{Demo}> if u changed it in unnethack that's one thing but why would that be a thing in vanilla?> 11:48 because I didn't remember that they aren't in 3.7 11:48 but now that you said it, I remember reading it in YAAPs about choosing which Rider to go for first 11:50 it's the high priests that aren't supposed to be revealed by farlooking them 11:50 <{Demo}> yeah 11:50 <{Demo}> so it isn't a real 3.6 change? 11:50 <{Demo}> cause that sounds like some 3.6 bullshit 11:51 <{Demo}> try to get it into 3.7 then I guess 11:51 <{Demo}> it very much fits with the kinds of changes being made 11:52 what would really be the problem with making riders non-farlookable? 11:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Inc Fem Cha), 26771 points, T:6125, killed by a leocrotta zombie 11:58 what's the problem with them *being* far-lookable 11:58 it's not like each one has an associated high altar 11:58 bhaak: The high priests' identities would give away the altars' identities. 11:58 jonadab: isn't that what bhaak just said 11:59 Not sure. 11:59 This conversation is confusing. 11:59 +bhaak | it's the high priests that aren't supposed to be revealed by farlooking them 11:59 aoei: yes and yes 12:00 at least, i dont personally have a problem with farlookable riders 12:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:28343 12:00 you can choose which rider you'd rather face, but you have no idea where your altar is 12:00 like, that's fine to me 12:01 I don't remember the exact rationale why I made the Rider non-farlookable (it's been 11 years) but I guess it was to make the game a bit more random. as soon as you see them, you know their identity anyway. 12:01 yeah i guess 12:01 i also don't really have a problem with them not being farlookable 12:02 i think both are fine 12:02 Have I ever mentioned my "idea" to make all monsters have random appearances until you identify them? 12:02 <{Demo}> thanks 12:02 EPI: sometimes you start a game and your character is nearsighted and you need lenses to farlook 12:02 <@microlance> like dragons 12:03 <{Demo}> yeah the player usually has too much information in the game and should have to work harder to get it 12:03 Of course there is always permahallu. 12:03 <{Demo}> I think removing all lightsources might not be a bad idea 12:03 Heheh. 12:03 MSGTYPE=hide:* 12:04 stenno: Oh, man, that could be a serious challenge conduct. 12:04 <@microlance> take those popular shambling horror things and make all monsters of that type, give them different lvl tiers and give out abilitys accordingly 12:04 jonadab: lmao 12:05 considering how popular the item id sub game is 12:05 it is probably fun as well to find out what a given character does in a specific game :^) 12:06 <@microlance> monster detection for a one time monster ID. so you must write it down, if you dont wanna waste it 12:06 inventory and the stuff in the others windows still work, just no messages itself 12:06 could be funky 12:06 @microlance similar to Angband's monsert memory, I would hope the game that implements that has a pokedex that records that info for you :) 12:07 <@microlance> no no, i was thinking manual recording and only blessed pots or expert spell gives you abilities 12:07 <@microlance> a pokedex opens for every monster on the floor which you get to flip through once 12:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Val Swn Fem Law), 27516 points, T:2978, killed by a troll, while sleeping off a magical draught 12:09 -!- mackeyth 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nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1024 12:26 <{Demo}> are you ootas? 12:28 yeah 12:30 I think I'm just missing unihorn and geno for go-mode really 12:30 not bothered enchanting my armour yet as the host is quite beefy 12:30 [hdf-us] [fh] DbaNethacker (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 51885 points, T:8500, killed by a sasquatch 12:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed the Dark One, on T:30016 12:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30017 12:33 [hdf-us] [nh4] jim (jmccro) (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 31429 points, T:2872, died of starvation 12:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Bat Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1410 12:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:30208 12:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 162 points, T:934, killed by a fox 12:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased dragonhide bag of holding", on T:30230 12:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Bin Bat Fem Non), 2646 points, T:2761, killed by a guardian naga, while praying 12:43 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Sym Mal Cha) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of genocide", on T:19025 12:48 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased mithril amulet of flying", on T:30552 12:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:39703 12:50 Demo is it a luck penalty to kill Nightmare? 12:50 as a chaotic I mean 12:51 <@riker> yes amateurhour 12:52 <{Demo}> i guess so then 12:52 ah 12:52 <@riker> just checked - it checks is_unicorn (u that likes gems), and nightmare is both of those 12:52 <@riker> wiztesting confirms 12:53 ah :( 12:54 I have neither a luckstone or a unihorn so might just have to suck it up and murder 12:54 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Sym Mal Cha) killed the Nightmare, on T:19357 12:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed fixed the platinum yendorian express card", on T:30669 12:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Twoflower, on T:30673 12:59 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Sym Mal Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:19465 13:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) genocided two random monsters from class L, on T:30749 13:00 [hdf-eu] [spl] aoei (Bar Hum Fem Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:3475 13:09 [hdf-eu] [nh370] tromix (Bar Hum Mal Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a rock mole, on T:16387 13:12 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Hea Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Embalmer, on T:4848 13:16 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 13:16 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 13:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:31517 13:17 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) entered Gehennom, on T:31579 13:19 [hdf-us] [un] Stafford (Mon Hum Mal Neu), 650 points, T:1248, poisoned by a rotted orc corpse 13:21 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Hea Hum Fem Neu) entered a shop, on T:5216 13:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu) genocided gray dragons, on T:31831 13:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 2506 points, T:699, killed by a magic missile 13:33 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Hob Mal Neu), 534906 points, T:31880, killed by Juiblex 13:34 <@microlance> if only i hadnt blown up my boh and therefore all pots or bothered to get healing to basic, all would be fine in the world. etc... 13:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Wiz Hlf Mal Cha), 237 points, T:1096, killed by a carnivorous bag 13:44 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Sym Mal Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:20003 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] Arimja (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:2584 13:50 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 13:52 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 13:59 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Sym Mal Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:20380 14:02 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Sym Mal Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:20496 14:12 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Sym Mal Cha) killed Garland, on T:20923 14:13 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] amateurhour (Mon Sym Mal Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:20944 14:13 amateurhour, destroyer of Things™ 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3630 14:14 only Order in this place 14:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:3656 14:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Hum Fem Cha) entered Gehennom, on T:55605 14:27 [hdf-us] [nh343] klintos (Tou Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:18544 14:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "Blessed Fixed +3 Windrider", on T:1388 14:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Brd Hum Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:46266 14:46 -!- kame has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 14:47 -!- kame has joined #hardfought 14:53 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Mon Hum Mal Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34528 14:54 [hdf-eu] [slex] mobileuser (Mid Gel Fem Cha), 53183 points, T:23945, dissolved in molten lava 14:56 [hdf-us] [dyn] groovejumper (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 262 points, T:1216, killed by a magic missile 14:56 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 769 points, T:1890, killed by a rothe 15:06 -!- tromix has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:08 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:09 [hdf-us] [dyn] groovejumper (Rog Hum Fem Cha), 3860 points, T:3007, killed by a horse 15:10 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:15 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 328 points, T:602, killed by a jackal 15:25 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 15:25 -!- kame has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 15:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Pri Orc Fem Cha), 1739 points, T:3442, zombified by an elf zombie, while sleeping 15:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2986 points, T:2403, killed by a dwarf 15:32 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Mal Neu) had a ring mail entrusted to him by Crom, on T:3379 15:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2074 15:42 -!- kame has joined #hardfought 15:43 [hdf-us] [fh] DBAnethacker (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu), 41957 points, T:4447, killed by a bone devil 15:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Brd Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed figurine of a Light Archon", on T:50772 15:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:42889 15:52 [hdf-us] [nh343] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 11444 points, T:3173, killed by an energy vortex 15:54 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a barrow wight, on T:10016 15:54 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 15:55 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 15:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 855 points, T:293, killed by a rabid rat 15:55 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:57 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 16 points, T:243, killed by a little dart 16:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Ryoshu, on T:40774 16:02 [hdf-us] [fh] dBaNethacker (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Cha), 19570 points, T:1141, quit 16:02 Demo I drank a cursed gain level in the tower but didn't get to the top 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 742 points, T:1378, killed by a giant mosquito 16:02 I thought that was what you had mentioned 16:02 are you meant to do it from outside the tower and not actually in it? 16:02 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:10721 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 71 points, T:451, killed by a bear trap 16:04 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law), 21584 points, T:10777, killed by a fire elemental 16:06 !lastgame fh 16:06 FIQ: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/d/dbanethacker/fiqhack/dumplog/2020-09-24%2020%3A02%3A13%2C%20dBaNethacker-Val-Hum-Fem-Cha%2C%20quit.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/z/zavtraleto/fiqhack/dumplog/2020-09-16%2010%3A30%3A48%2C%20Leya-Val-Dwa-Fem-Law%2C%20died.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/o/ogmobot/fiqhack/dumplog/2020-06-30%2012%3A22%3A55%2C%20Ogmobot-Bar-Hum-Mal-Cha%2C%20died.txt 16:06 ah, prayer fail 16:11 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 grayswandir", on T:5261 16:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Bar Cen Mal Neu), 3622 points, T:5297, killed by Ms. Wonotobo; the shopkeeper, while sleeping 16:13 i just stepped onto consecutive trap doors in the mines and ran face-first into a master mind flayer with a wand. I elbereth'd on 3 intelligence and read my only un-id'd scroll - it was cursed tele. 16:14 now ive landed in a shop on DL3... what a rollercoaster T_T 16:17 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1324 points, T:2769, killed by a rothe, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Wiz Elf Fem Neu), 1397 points, T:2897, killed by a bugbear 16:22 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 649 points, T:2649, killed by a giant bat 16:24 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a pair of boxing gloves entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:571 16:24 [hdf-us] [evil] Bartlem (Bar Gia Mal Neu), 11172 points, T:8559, killed by a warhorse 16:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Tou Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:7260 16:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Arc Hob Fem Law) became literate by reading a book, on T:3520 16:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Arc Hob Fem Law) had a bone curved sword entrusted to her by Quetzalcoatl, on T:4093 16:30 [hdf-us] [nh343] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Excalibur thrown at her by some watery tart, on T:2324 16:32 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 573 points, T:2417, zombified by a dwarf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:34 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 134 points, T:276, killed by a goblin 16:35 -!- raisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 16:35 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Pri Ith Mal Cha) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:8150 16:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Arc Hob Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a hobbit zombie, on T:6475 16:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Arc Hob Fem Law) became permanently transformed into a hobbit zombie, on T:6475 16:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Arc Hob Fem Law), 4352 points, T:6504, killed while stuck in creature form 16:43 -!- Agrius has joined #hardfought 16:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Orc Fem Cha), 16 points, T:98, killed by a kobold 16:44 [hdf-us] [nh343] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:3537 16:48 [hdf-us] [nh343] Tommo (Val Dwa Fem Law), 10295 points, T:3735, killed by a fire ant 16:48 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 951 points, T:2340, killed by a kobold lord, while praying 16:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 712 points, T:1006, killed by a giant rat 16:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Mal Cha), 5079 points, T:4422, killed by an elf mummy, while frozen by a monster's gaze 16:52 [hdf-us] [evil] qt (Arc Hum Mal Law), 489 points, T:1334, killed by a rothe 16:53 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 17:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Mon Gia Mal Cha) destroyed the invisible microlance's ghost, the former Investigator, on T:3049 17:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:4502 17:02 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a giant rat corpse, on T:4588 17:03 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a shop, on T:4742 17:07 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 17:13 [hdf-us] [un] Delraven (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:40732 17:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Brd Hum Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:56278 17:16 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 15856 points, T:5861, killed by the the Rat King 17:19 -!- Agrius has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:47420 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:47425 17:29 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Mon Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (alhoons), on T:2770 17:30 [hdf-us] [nh343] Tommo (Pri Elf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:4029 17:30 -!- tommo has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 17:35 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Mon Dwa Fem Law) consumed animal products for the first time, by eating a stone giant corpse, on T:3559 17:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2737 17:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 2598 points, T:2743, killed by a vrock 17:39 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Mon Dwa Fem Law), 10518 points, T:4205, killed by a rabid rat, while frozen by a monster's gaze 17:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Brd Hum Mal Cha) was given the Singing Sword, on T:58971 17:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:5254 17:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Elf Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:5283 17:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Elf Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 43 arrows on an altar, on T:5329 17:50 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Hum Fem Cha), 2073 points, T:2637, killed by a crossbow bolt 17:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Dwa Fem Cha) had a pair of boxing gloves entrusted to her by Tymora, on T:929 17:57 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Con Dwa Fem Cha), 488 points, T:1845, killed by a hobbit 18:02 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 18:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] microlance (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 2199 points, T:2870, fell into a pit 18:12 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 18:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:18 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 18:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3266 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) entered a temple, on T:3429 18:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) eschewed atheism, by dropping 10 darts on an altar, on T:3432 18:26 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Mon Hum Mal Neu) had a bone-carved staff entrusted to him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:36552 18:36 -!- eggandhull has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 18:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Elf Fem Cha), 6202 points, T:5993, killed by a rock mole, while frozen by a monster's gaze 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:50091 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Sam Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:50092 18:47 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 18:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:41920 18:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:41923 19:01 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 19:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) destroyed karibou the human mummy, and former Bandit, on T:5165 19:08 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:15 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 19:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Brd Hum Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:63854 19:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Mal Cha) had Grimtooth bestowed upon him by Kos, on T:42797 19:35 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Brd Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:64486 19:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha) changed form for the first time, becoming a rabid rat, on T:6933 19:37 [hdf-us] [fh] DbaNethacker (dbanethacker) (Val Hum Fem Neu) genocided rust monsters, on T:1026 19:41 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 19:42 death to rust! 19:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] karibou (Bar Hum Fem Cha), 15617 points, T:7405, killed by a vampire lord in wolf form, while frozen by a monster's gaze 19:43 nooo long live Rust 19:43 death to C 19:46 aoei: don't worry, someone will hit the plane of water and genocide C monsters eventually 19:46 aosdict: XD 19:47 nailed it 19:47 actually I think that would have worked better if I made it about centaurs. oh well 19:47 yea i guess 19:48 but i like the C/see/sea jokes *because* they're terrible 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Arimja (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3313 19:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] Arimja (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3567 20:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Mon Hum Mal Law), 1450 points, T:2304, killed by a water moccasin 20:16 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Brd Hum Mal Cha) killed Axus, on T:68389 20:45 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 20:53 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Rog Orc Mal Cha) killed Medusa, on T:45483 21:02 -!- misha is now known as werekitten 21:09 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 21:19 -!- werekitten is now known as misha 21:20 -!- mackeyth has joined #hardfought 21:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] tinklebear (Ran Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Archer, on T:60732 22:03 [hdf-us] [nh343] klintos (Tou Hum Mal Neu) retrieved the Mine's End luckstone, on T:28201 22:52 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Inf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:11772 22:58 -!- sebastia1toby has joined #hardfought 23:01 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 23:02 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Inf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Bosun, on T:12744 23:14 There's some graffiti on the floor here. You read: "<--- Cc right". 23:14 lol 23:18 -!- qt_ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 23:18 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 23:27 -!- misha has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 23:27 -!- misha has joined #hardfought 23:28 -!- Beholder has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 23:28 -!- mode/Beholder [+Zi] by Beholder 23:28 -!- cherryh.freenode.net changed the topic on #hardfought to: Welcome to Hardfought - https://www.hardfought.org/ ¤ public irc logs available on website ¤ ssh nethack@hardfought.org, nethack@eu.hardfought.org or nethack@au.hardfought.org ¤ The NetHack Scoreboard is back, new host/new domain - https://nethackscoreboard.org 23:28 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v Beholder] by ChanServ 23:30 [hdf-us] [nh343] klintos (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 151372 points, T:36175, killed by a death ray 23:30 no chance at all 23:30 didn't even get a move 23:35 -!- mackeyth has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 23:41 [hdf-us] [spl] bouquet (Pir Inf Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:15064 23:56 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 23:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 23:56 IMPORTANT YASI: Snickersnee does extra damage to monsters that laugh 23:57 See, it’s stupid, but also would help balance Snickersnee :)