00:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 12250 points, T:5875, killed by a leocrotta 00:04 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 00:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] tsingi (Ran Elf Fem Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:20126 00:24 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2218 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:8426 00:44 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:24070 00:46 [hdf-us] [xnh] Ardub (Kni Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:24175 00:46 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] SweatyWeather (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 641 points, T:1664, killed by a gnome lord 01:16 -!- eggandhull has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 01:17 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had a long sword named Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:9867 01:37 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:4218 01:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4724 01:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3506 points, T:4748, killed by a giant ant 01:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:10 -!- Mencherino has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 02:22 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Pri Elf Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:1520 02:37 -!- theRaisse has quit [Quit: Suddenly, Raisse disappears out of sight.] 02:38 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 02:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Pri Elf Mal Cha), 1264 points, T:1910, killed by an owlbear 02:46 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Inf Ith Fem Una), 4533 points, T:3233, killed by a bolt of cold 02:54 -!- bugsniper_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 02:55 -!- bugsniper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 02:56 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 02:56 -!- bugsniper_ has joined #hardfought 03:05 -!- bugsniper_ has quit [Quit: Leaving] 03:13 -!- bugsniper has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 03:14 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 03:14 -!- bugsniper_ has joined #hardfought 03:15 -!- bugsniper_ has quit [Client Quit] 03:16 aoei: what version of Sil are you playing? 03:21 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Pri Ang Mal Law), 3538 points, T:3444, killed by a yellow mold warrior 03:22 -!- theRaisse is now known as raisse 03:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Bliss56's ghost, the former Ronin, on T:2367 03:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) destroyed Vis' ghost, the former Investigator, on T:2549 03:33 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 03:35 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 03:37 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3079 03:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3446 03:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3467 04:14 bhaak: 1.3 04:16 bhaak: why do you ask 04:20 aoei: the roguebasin page says there's a fork that picked up development after the last version of sil. 04:23 bhaak: ;o 04:23 do you know what it is called 04:25 sil-q 04:26 https://github.com/sil-quirk/sil-q/releases 04:27 neat 04:27 thx 04:47 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 05:20 -!- rebatela has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:36 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 05:39 <@bubbles> should be sil-em 05:46 -!- greg88 has joined #hardfought 05:47 Hiya 05:47 (joining from #xnethack, as I was told and I quote "post [things] in #hardfought so we can mock aosdict until he adds em") 05:48 So, feature request: if you throw a corpse at a pet that can eat it, have them act the same as throwing a "treat" and eat if if they aren't satiated 05:50 Given that pets can acquire intrinsics, and pets were changed to not always snarf 05:50 (which are both things I love btw) 05:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Sunsword bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:2900 05:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 797 points, T:2979, killed by a gnome 05:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 8534 points, T:6305, killed by a winter wolf cub, while fainted from lack of food 05:56 that's such a good idea 05:57 a few variants did things with corpses and pets, but can't remember which 05:57 <@bubbles> have a charged item you can spray on corpses to make your pet eat them 05:58 greg88, I think grunthack works that way; it also makes it possible for pets to choke 05:58 lol what if you sprayed it on a peaceful monster bubbles 06:02 <@bubbles> only on corpses ahour 06:02 <@bubbles> though yeah that would be interesting as a single-target conflict 06:03 <@bubbles> Probably better as a wand that you can direct your minions with, you could call it a "conductor's baton" 06:03 <@bubbles> but holding it masks any extrinsic/intrinsic shock resistance and makes you take 2x damage 06:03 <@bubbles> because it's... conductive 06:12 if it's a spray the target won't be peaceful anymore 06:12 a wand wouldn't anger 06:12 what if it's a gentle perfume to humanoids but actually secretly catnip 06:15 My preference is to not adding a new item unless absolutely necessary 06:15 xnethack is styled as "nethack, but with common-sense changes" 06:15 amateurhour, might work 06:16 greg88, this new item feels rather niche 06:16 Exactly 06:16 probably worse than a tin opener 06:18 pretty sure I've meant a yani about tin openers but can't see it on aosdict's archive 06:18 A way to make them not worthless? 06:18 Cuz that's the sort of change I'd like to see 06:18 YANI: BUC status of tin openers affects that of the tin, so blessed increases status by 1 and cursed lowers it by 1 06:22 I'd even consider carrying one around with me with that 06:32 <@bubbles> the worst part about a tin opener is they take an inventory slot 06:50 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 302 points, T:661, killed by a gnome lord 07:13 -!- amateurh1ur has joined #hardfought 07:13 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2331 07:32 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Hea Hum Fem Neu) reached Minetown, on T:2749 07:36 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Hea Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed The Eye of The Aethiopica", on T:3011 07:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3053 07:42 [hdf-us] [slex] Feya (Val Dwa Fem Law), 6450 points, T:3630, choked on a red spore corpse 07:52 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a winter wolf cub, on T:13692 07:55 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Neu), 43742 points, T:14008, killed by touching The Staff of Aesculapius 07:57 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon him by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:71950 07:57 [backscroll] Yeah, if there's an idea for a new mechanic that primarily has effects in the early game, making a new item that's necessary for it isn't the way to go. 07:58 Because then either you need to guarantee the new item early, give it to most (all?) starting characters, or just hope a very lucky character will happen across it. 07:59 [hdf-eu] [xnh] wvc (Hea Hum Fem Neu), 4984 points, T:4292, killed by an owlbear 07:59 Yeah 07:59 I think "force eat thrown corpses" is non-cluttery and effective 07:59 Thoughts? 08:00 Question is, if the pet isn't hungry enough to eat it on their own, why does the player want them to eat it? 08:00 Oh, for floating eyes and such? 08:00 Giving them the extrinsic 08:00 Yea 08:00 Floating eyes, elves, anything that gives something the player wants them to have 08:01 And I figure the only time a player throws a corpse is when they want the pet to eat it *anyway* 08:01 Iirc the logic is already there for tripe rations 08:01 The pet won't eat it on the ground, but will eat it as a "treat" for apport purposes 08:07 I think this will go on the tentative 7.0 todo list 08:10 K2 also an idea for the evilhack etherpad? 08:16 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 374 points, T:857, killed by a gnome lord 08:19 actually pets in xnethack seldom eat troll corpses any more 08:20 also, aosdict: i had a large cat pick up a 963 zm chest in a shop. is that intentional? 08:20 er 963 in weight 08:21 [hdf-us] [evil] post163 (Wiz Gia Fem Neu), 585 points, T:1420, killed by a giant mosquito 08:26 mobileuser i already beat you to it :) 08:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dro-Wiz Dro Fem Cha) wished for "Blessed Figurine of a Throne Archon", on T:25273 08:27 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 08:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1700 08:28 K2 noice! :-) 08:29 <{Demo}> add lava goblin 08:31 lava vampiric vorpal alhoon... check 08:31 on the to-do 08:31 !PoM 08:31 APic: The moon is waning gibbous; new moon in 8 days. 08:33 <{Demo}> vorpalhoon 08:33 lava vorpalhoon of excellence 08:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 silver dragon scale mail", on T:4573 08:42 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed magic harp", on T:73720 08:44 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dispater, on T:42145 08:44 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Leviathan, on T:42150 08:46 suck it Leviathan. 08:46 hah 08:46 I'm pretty sure this is the actual bones level. 08:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 4176 points, T:3137, killed by an ettin mummy 08:46 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Q56AFof6qFE 08:48 please no lava vorpalhoons! 08:48 although maybe not... No, the stars were in a different place, and I can't see a ghost. 08:48 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Minetown, on T:2533 08:49 <{Demo}> maybe look for a statue, idk 08:49 Nah this is Malcanthet's level. Dispater must've gated leviathan in. 08:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:5415 08:59 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:3285 09:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 156645 points, T:25615, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted warhorse 09:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1342 points, T:1637, killed by a hill orc 09:10 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Asmodeus, on T:46610 09:11 does the convict quest artifact increase its damage when it's heavier in dnh? 09:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1221 points, T:1809, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping 09:18 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law), 100 points, T:1009, killed by a small mimic 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:815 09:20 hothraxxa: according to the wiki a large cat has 1000 carry cap: https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Monster_carrying_capacity 09:20 yet a large cat is MZ_SMALL 09:20 it's strong 09:20 amateurh1ur: There are two QAs in dnh... The iron ball of levitation, which actually increases your carry cap the heavier it is (and invokes for levitation), and the iron spoon of liberation which you can invoke fpr phasing. 09:20 <{Demo}> STRONG flag 09:21 yeah 09:21 and it's a little odd how their carrycap goes from 52 -> 69 -> 1000 as they evolve 09:21 Hmm I always forget about phasing. 09:21 the strong flag is strong 09:21 <{Demo}> dogs r actually better btw 09:21 <{Demo}> they get STRONG on tier 2 09:21 Tangles: does the ball get stronger as it gets heavier? 09:21 can u wield the meme ball of instant death that does like d9000 damage is what I want to know 09:22 <{Demo}> no 09:22 <{Demo}> it also has a weight limit 09:22 <{Demo}> or, i guess reverse weight limit 09:22 Tangles: I don't understand how the increase in carry cap isn't just offset by the increase in weight. 09:22 well it's effectively increasing carry cap by double its weight, I guess. 09:23 You have to be able to pick it up, but once you are carrying it, its weight is effectively negative. 09:23 <{Demo}> it weighs negative its weight 09:30 aosdict: according to https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Apport it's 172, and i am pretty certain that's what it was for a long time. i've avoided cat pets for that exact reason 09:31 i have never had a large cat pick up anything heavy before, in any variant 09:32 also, that limit makes absolutely no sense, not that in nethack i should expect it to 09:32 <{Demo}> yeahhh wow lol 09:34 i've never seen that wiki page before 09:35 [hdf-us] [spl] Everdying (Pri Mer Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1416 09:37 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Fire Brand bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:6838 09:39 well I haven't changed anything relating to monster carry cap, so I expect this is vanilla behavior 09:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:7214 09:39 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Werebane bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:7227 09:40 i never play vanilla 09:40 well almost never 09:40 I don't think vanilla changed it recently either 09:41 i can live with it. it was a pleasant surprise 09:41 why is the apport page wrong i winder 09:41 wonder 09:42 [hdf-eu] [evil] Rias73 (Pri Elf Fem Cha), 2699 points, T:1412, killed by a giant ant 09:47 -!- greg88 has quit [Excess Flood] 09:52 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Dagon, on T:43398 10:00 -!- amateurh1ur is now known as amateurhour 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:75716 10:00 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:75721 10:01 wooo gogogo rebatela 10:02 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) performed the invocation, on T:75728 10:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Mon Bat Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2138 10:07 [hdf-us] [xnh] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 20774 points, T:8053, poisoned by a rotted glob of gray ooze 10:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 450 points, T:1459, killed by a pony 10:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Kni Hum Mal Law), 0 points, T:1035, slipped while mounting a saddled pony 10:22 @mtf you about? 10:23 Killed by another pony 10:24 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on Dlvl:38, on T:60437 10:25 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:60438 10:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha) performed the invocation, on T:60853 10:40 <@mtf> hey k2, just starting my work day, what's up 10:44 [hdf-us] [dyn] Elena (Plik) (Val Dwa Fem Law), 2155 points, T:4167, killed by a soldier ant 10:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:61217 10:47 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:61224 10:49 @mtf heya 10:49 <@mtf> o/ 10:49 @mtf you write code for the actual discord app right? 10:49 <@mtf> nope, never have once lol 10:49 errmahgerd 10:50 <@mtf> pyro has made our Eternal Guardian bot using the discord API tho 10:51 so do you know or work with any of the dicord people who make content/implement changes? 10:51 *discord 10:53 <@mtf> nah 10:53 <@mtf> discord mods barely respond to our messages >.> 10:53 ok 10:54 :/ 10:54 thanks 10:54 <@mtf> np, sorry I can't be of more help there 10:54 <@mtf> what're you trying to do anyway? 10:59 [hdf-us] [nh4] rougelike (sneakyfox) (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 10500 points, T:419, killed by a Ms. Yildizeli, the shopkeeper 10:59 <@Eternal Guardian> It's spelled roguelike. 11:00 sorry work brb 11:00 blah 11:00 sure, it's *spelled* roguelike, but everyone knows the correct pronunciation is "raw-gwee-like" 11:02 <@mtf> all good 11:03 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Inf Ith Fem Una), 557 points, T:908, killed by a gas cloud 11:07 ok back 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Ashikaga Takauji, on T:22879 11:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:22883 11:08 @mtf reason I was asking - wanted to know if there was a way that discord could send a user an email notification if they have any private messages waiting. I dont live on discord, I only hop on it every once in awhile, some messages will go days or even weeks before i see them 11:08 would be nice if discord sent me notice 11:08 <@mtf> ahhh, hmm 11:08 <@mtf> that would be nice 11:09 <@mtf> I don't know about anything like that that exist 11:09 <@mtf> but there may be some bots out there that could handle that functionality? 11:09 hrm 11:10 <@mtf> this looks promising 11:10 <@mtf> https://zapier.com/apps/discord/integrations/email 11:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Mon Bat Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11924 11:14 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on Dlvl:27 (for the 5th time), on T:62198 11:15 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Mon Hum Mal Law) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:9927 11:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) made his first artifact wish - "blessed rustproof +2 Mjollnir", on T:818 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:822 11:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 pair of speed boots", on T:830 11:22 @mtf neat 11:22 i'll give it a look 11:23 <@mtf> 👍 11:25 [hdf-eu] [nh370] thorsb (Cav Hum Mal Law), 201 points, T:330, killed by a water demon 11:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1140 11:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] phaperplane2 (Pri Hum Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2174 11:28 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping a cloth sling on an altar, on T:4075 11:30 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4131 11:33 [hdf-eu] [nh370] thorsb (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 285 points, T:746, killed by a brown mold 11:41 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered the Planes, on T:63294 11:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed Eye of the Aethiopica", on T:2212 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:2434 11:43 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:43 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:43 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Mon Bat Mal Cha) was given Plague, on T:15534 11:44 yo wassup 11:44 LarienTelrunya: Message from amateurhour at 2020-09-06 13:25 EDT: did you mention a few weeks ago that someone was working on porting slash'em to 3.6? Maybe I'm remembering wrong 11:45 amateurhour: did I say that? if yes, it might have been referring to Elronnd's SLASH'EM variant, which is basically a 3.6-ification of SLASH'EM at least in my eyes; needless to say, I'm not a big fan of that variant ;) 11:46 <@riker> o/ amy 11:46 not sure if it has the "lol of course the speed 3 mimic can act twice in two game-time turns while you, a speed 12 character, also gets to act only twice in the same amount of turns" mechanic but I wouldn't be surprised 11:46 yo riker, been ultra busy lately and it will continue like that for the next three days 11:47 have to get up at 4:20 AM tomorrow, and that's not the worst tour, friday will be much more hellish than that :P 11:47 <{Demo}> speed randomization is awful 11:49 oh, so not actually rebased on 3.6? 11:49 disappoint 11:50 what does everyone find about 3.6 anyway? a full rebase means you get all the really awful stuff like speed randomization, vampshifting, literally unplayable message and grammar changes etc. :P 11:51 oh and not to mention "lol your game is now unwinnable because you nicked a random peaceful centaur on the ranger quest home" 11:52 LarienTelrunya we all know you hate 3.6/3.7 - no need to re-hash it 11:55 u r right Amy, latest is greatest, rebase on 3.7 11:55 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:6289 11:55 lol amateurhour 11:55 you know what my answer to that is but I won't post it so as to not anger K2 :D 11:55 [hdf-eu] [xnh] Istym (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3752 points, T:6309, killed by a water demon 11:55 slex would be a little more playable if it was rebased on 3.7 11:55 :^) 11:56 it would be more playable if, in addition to all the evil stuff it already has, monsters would additionally have randomized movement rates so you can no longer kite them? really? 11:56 not angry 11:56 it just gets old seeing the same false arguments over and over and over... 11:56 and over 11:57 :) 11:57 uh oh you've poked the hornets nest there 11:57 * K2 grabs a bigger stick 11:57 yes the whinging about "but I wanna kite things reliably" has gotten old 11:57 not just from amy, all 3.6 haters 11:57 LarienTelrunya, you can still kite using a polearm 11:57 or an aklys 11:58 or any ranged weapon 11:58 randomized movement is way more evil than nasty traps that completely fuck the player interface 11:58 so it's true that the majority of players likes not being able to kite a speed 3 monster even as a speed 12 (four times as much speed!) character. wow, I didn't expect that 11:58 oh you want to play slex? well just try 11:59 I think it's kind of wrong to be able to kill a mimic with hit-hit-hit-back while it has no chance to hit you 11:59 LarienTelrunya i get it if you dont like some of the changes in 3.6/3.7 - understandable. but you're in a dwindling minority 11:59 you seem to think higher speed entitles you to swoop in and do all your fighting when the enemy is frozen in time, like that's fun somehow 11:59 the numbers from this last junethack tournament bear that out 11:59 K2: being in a minority is kind of a theme for me, I'm also the only person who defends the existence of nasty traps, literally all slex players hate them with a passion :P 11:59 if that's your goal then kudos :) 12:00 nasty trap would be more balanced and fair if they timed out sensibly 12:00 heh I don't really care about the junethack numbers, I'd still prefer 3.4.3 even if I was the only remaining nethack player who does so 12:00 you could have them last 50k turns 12:01 and honestly at that point it's so boring and frustrating that you might as well #quit and start over 12:01 how would that help when the trap means you literally cannot enter any command 12:01 the black ng wall trap is probs the most interesting one 12:01 amateurhour: having them last for a long time is kind of the point, so that waiting them out is no longer a valid strategy and the player kind of has to get along with its effects :D 12:01 well you can, the game just refuses to respond 12:01 hothraxxa: such a trap, where you actually cannot enter commands, would be too evil even for slex 12:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed Medusa, on T:23747 12:02 arbitrarily long isn't fun anymore though, if it was capped at like 5k turns maybe it'd be fine 12:02 well you have it. it looks like an error message, but when i reported it you said works as designed 12:02 i couldn't even save 12:02 you could! shift-s and then y 12:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha) entered the Astral Plane, on T:63596 12:03 i believe you said that at the time, and yes after several attempts it worked 12:03 I also think it's good that players who keep their hit points only barely above 0 die more often than more careful players 12:04 jilles: isn't that automatically the case, in all games where the player character has hit points? 12:05 -!- Menchers has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:05 LarienTelrunya, speed randomization helps by occasionally giving a monster a double move 12:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] hothraxxa (Sam Hum Fem Law) had Demonbane bestowed upon her by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:50286 12:06 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha) killed Death, on T:63631 12:07 slex actually has a nastytrap that makes it so that monsters occasionally get extra movement energy completely randomly, which kind of simulates the 3.6 effect, except it only ever adds movement energy, it never makes monsters slower 12:07 well that makes it all right then 12:08 i'll just drop this ring that resisted id on the altar to at least see if it's cursed. oops, the altar disappeared 12:08 so much fun i couldn't stand it 12:09 hahaha :D 12:09 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 12:10 Amy have u considered making a less insane slex variant called SlASHEM-Extended-Retracted 12:11 amateurhour: no, why would I do such a thing? 12:11 just to extend the name a bit 12:11 <@riker> i support retiring slex once you hit a stable point 12:11 <@riker> then you can have slexex which is a slex variant 12:11 SLASHEM-Extended-Retracted would be slash'em 12:11 heh, and I expected you to say something like "so that those who like the general theme of slex but don't like the insanely unfair stuff also have something to play" 12:12 extend by a lot but retract just a little bit K2 12:12 slashem-sort-of-extended 12:12 [hdf-us] [xnh] Bartlem (Ran Orc Fem Cha), 3444097 points, T:63680, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/B/Bartlem/xnethack/dumplog/1598548171.xnh.html 12:12 slashem-slightly-extended 12:13 slashem-extended-but-really-wants-to-be-retracted 12:13 also I don't need to make such variants, soviet already made one, porkman tried to make another, and at least two other people announced to me (one on 4chan and one on google forms) that they're making their own personal slex variants which (surprise!) remove lots of stuff 12:13 StuffHack 12:14 I for one am personally disappointed that a game called NetHack doesn't even have nets in it 12:14 ... 12:14 oh man 12:15 talk about a revelation 12:15 nets! 12:15 bbl, food time 12:15 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Mon Hum Mal Law) completed Sokoban, acquiring a magic marker, on T:12989 12:15 YANI: nethack needs nets. could fish with them (pools), could throw them on smallish monsters to trap them 12:16 could also be a new type of trap 12:16 Could snag yourself with them 12:16 that would make me chuckle 12:17 K2: i think i've had (throwing) nets in my todo since, uhh ... 12:17 You get yourself tangled in your own net! 12:17 paxed really? 12:17 The newt bites! You are stuck in the net. The newt bites! You die... 12:17 Andrio \o/ 12:17 [hdf-au] [slex] naoky (Val Ang Fem Law) killed the Rat King, on T:27544 12:18 K2: yeah... something like TOOL((char *)0, "weighted net", 12:19 neat 12:19 hm. last time that file was touched was in 2009, so before that. 12:19 What about electrified nets? 12:20 modern uses of electricity dont exist in nethack 12:20 also, if I had a net, I'd totally use it to catch eels. 12:20 ^ that 12:20 or sift for kelp fronds for food 12:21 That too. 12:21 or objects that fell into a pool 12:21 Can the net reach that far down? 12:21 or load up a net with X number of potions and dilute them all at once 12:21 Andrio why shouldn't it? 12:22 I'm not sure. 12:22 if used in conjunction with a grappling hook... 12:22 K2: brass lanterns 12:22 battery powered 12:22 hah 12:22 DAMMIT 12:22 k2: i do the diluting/blanking thing all the time with ordinary bags 12:23 just drop the luckstone first 12:23 ^ genius 12:23 these days you'd expect a battery powered lantern to be plastic not glass... 12:23 s/glass/brass/ 12:23 [hdf-eu] [nh370] thorsb (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2968 12:23 doesn't xnh have plastic lanterns? 12:24 not sure 12:24 paxed you totally gotta make this happen for official nethack 12:24 * aosdict checks 12:24 brb 12:24 lantern uses resonant_materials 12:24 i've never seen one but i would expect it to have them 12:24 K2: once i climb out of this hole i'm current hiding in 12:24 copper/silver/iron/mithril/gold/platinum 12:25 so no plastic. maybe I should give it plastic 12:25 * hothraxxa hands paxed a ring of levitation 12:27 [hdf-eu] [nh370] thorsb (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 2392 points, T:3030, killed by a giant beetle 12:28 * paxed bonks his head on a sewer grate 12:29 paxed is the clown from IT? 12:29 -!- introsp3ctive has joined #hardfought 12:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 645 points, T:499, killed by a fox 12:36 [hdf-eu] [nh370] thorsb (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 89 points, T:332, killed by a kobold 12:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Pri Dro Fem Cha), 7480 points, T:5612, killed by a soldier ant 12:38 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 395 points, T:1499, killed by a giant bat 12:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] thorsb (Wiz Gno Fem Neu), 163 points, T:439, killed by a falling rock 12:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] thorsb (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 15 points, T:90, killed by a sewer rat 12:45 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Mon Bat Mal Cha) was given their Quest, on T:18736 12:45 morning 12:45 well, evening 12:46 K2: throwing nets would be simple 12:46 just a throwable that makes a web at the user's location that disappears once they've freed themselves 12:47 [hdf-us] [slex] Skullman (Ama Hum Fem Neu), 16461 points, T:3713, killed by an aklys 12:47 er *at the victim's location 12:47 why would it disappear? are you imagining them breaking it to get out? 12:47 amateurhour: yes 12:48 it's be another tin opener then :| 12:48 left on the ground and abandoned forever 12:48 why? 12:48 because you'd only be able to use it once 12:48 that depends on how heavy it is 12:49 amateurhour: I figured they'd stack and come in stacks 12:49 of 11-20 or something 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +3 cloak of protection", on T:24926 12:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed fixed +3 gauntlets of power", on T:24926 12:50 I was imagining the kind of net a gladiator would use or whatever 12:51 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 12:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Sam Hum Mal Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:24933 12:53 [hdf-eu] [nh370] thorsb (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 271 points, T:1210, killed by a water demon 12:53 [hdf-us] [evil] sluggoman (Mon Hum Mal Law) performed his first genocide (alhoons), on T:15434 12:54 yeah I figure the better way to take this is that they're not light enough to come in large stacks, instead of them breaking when the victim gets out, they just drop 12:54 also, YANI ^^^ 12:55 hothraxxa: wiztesting in vanilla shows that the large cat pet I conjured can pick up this box weighing 667. so seems like the apport article is wrong 12:55 they should probably mulch either way 12:55 would there be net skill 12:55 but maybe not with a 100% rate, more like the typical arrow mulch rate 12:55 throwing a net properly isn't that easy 12:55 (like 5% I think?) 12:56 arrow mulch rate is dependent on spe, luck and bless status 12:56 oh and erosion 12:57 and I think is much higher than 5% 12:57 -!- Xaleth has joined #hardfought 12:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2590 13:00 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed post163's ghost, the former Evoker, on T:3755 13:00 [hdf-eu] [nh370] thorsb (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) murdered Odium, his faithful kitten, on T:781 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] rancat (Mon Hum Mal Law) killed Yeenoghu, on T:24680 13:03 -!- introsp3ctive has quit [Ping timeout: 244 seconds] 13:03