00:16 -!- Menchers has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 00:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed fossil dark", on T:30995 00:18 -!- NAOrsa has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 00:19 -!- NAOrsa has joined #hardfought 00:23 [hdf-us] [fh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu) killed the ghost of Heliokopis, the former Conjurer, on T:4698 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:28848 00:32 -!- Tangles has quit [Quit: Lost terminal] 00:36 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:38 [hdf-us] [fh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 37478 points, T:5773, killed by a soldier ant 00:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] bagun (Kni Hum Mal Law), 64528 points, T:12442, petrified by a cockatrice egg 00:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +5 quicksilver", on T:32747 00:50 [hdf-us] [fh] MTF (mtf) (Val Hum Fem Law), 62063 points, T:15234, killed by a ranger's wand, while sleeping 00:51 <@mtf> either I dropped my BoH 00:51 <@mtf> or that range stole it 00:51 <@mtf> either way, he used all my stuff against me 00:51 <@mtf> and obliterated me 00:51 <@mtf> summoned a bunch of fire giants super early 01:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 bone helm of opposite alignment", on T:33245 01:07 [hdf-au] [nh343] FlopsyBunny (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3107 01:10 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 01:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:64114 01:13 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:64116 01:17 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 01:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) murdered Marcus, her faithful kitten, on T:1683 01:21 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:29 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 01:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:1073 01:33 [hdf-au] [nh343] FlopsyBunny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3606 points, T:8490, killed by a goblin, while fainted from lack of food 01:48 -!- Heliokopis has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 01:55 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 5616 points, T:3024, killed by a bolt of fire 02:16 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Bar Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Chieftainess, on T:56837 03:03 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 03:24 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1782 points, T:2037, killed by a dwarf 03:26 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:26 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed ring of conflict", on T:73854 03:30 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 03:30 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (killed by the invisible Wizard of Yendor), on T:73914 03:31 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 1520 points, T:1330, killed by a giant spider 03:31 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 03:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) averted death (killed by a white dragon), on T:73922 03:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of death", on T:73960 03:33 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on Dlvl:40, on T:73961 03:36 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) killed Mother Hydra, on T:33893 03:37 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) killed Father Dagon, on T:33899 03:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2090 03:44 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:44 [hdf-us] [evil] dbanethacker (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1073 points, T:1461, killed by a gas spore's explosion 03:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:30606 03:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed fixed +2 helm of telepathy", on T:30622 03:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "magic marker", on T:30631 04:00 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:76081 04:02 [hdf-au] [spl] Antediluvia (Pir Vam Fem Cha), 13098 points, T:5280, killed by a warhorse, while praying 04:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scroll of charging", on T:76082 04:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Law) killed Cerberus, on T:34617 04:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Law) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:35000 04:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed the invocation, on T:76252 04:15 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) genocided green slimes, on T:76389 04:16 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 9625 points, T:4401, killed by a dwarf lord 04:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed spellbook of detect treasure", on T:35909 04:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:76681 04:28 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:76683 04:36 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Champion, on T:76878 04:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Tou Hob Mal Neu) had Dragonbane bestowed upon him by The Lady, on T:32630 04:38 Wow Dragonbane, thx Lady! 04:40 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on Dlvl:41 (for the 5th time), on T:77379 04:42 that's a nice gift 04:42 still no magicbane? 04:45 no but that's fine now 04:45 I wanted either MR or reflection 04:45 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Dro-Pri Dro Fem Cha) killed Croesus, on T:37023 04:45 and dragonbane grants reflection 04:45 no more gnome with wand of death danger 04:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1400606 points, T:78166, teleported out of the dungeon and fell to her death 05:02 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 5969 points, T:1564, killed by a dog 05:21 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 462 points, T:1296, killed by a gnome 05:22 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 4 points, T:22, killed by a water moccasin 05:27 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:30 lolwut 05:30 watchmode does weird shit if you die while helpless 05:31 while the actual game ends immediately, watchmode will happily continue the game until you eventually wake up 05:31 I guess it makes sense since I programmed it to not end the game upon the game being over so you could see the final state of the game without being kicked out of enhanced watchmode 05:31 haha. cool bug 05:32 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 05:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1754 05:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1412 points, T:1784, killed by a magic missile 05:33 @mtf did a player monster steal your stash or what lol 05:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pri Dro Fem Law), 2291598 points, T:38693, poisoned by an aspect of The Silence 05:53 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu) became literate by reading a book, on T:5515 05:53 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:4267 05:54 did we go to giant school together? 05:54 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:56 You do not understand the strange language this book is written in. 05:56 The inscriptions in the book start to fade away! 05:56 wtf? 05:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 922 points, T:1575, fell into a pit of iron spikes 05:59 did you get that from bones by any chance rebatela 05:59 ya 05:59 it's the psionic wave illithid spell 05:59 ahhhh 06:00 ty 06:02 oh cool you are playing giant monk! 06:03 it gets fun once you get to grand master in martial arts 06:03 yeah I've gotten to vlad's before as giant monk 06:04 don't get amnesia though! 06:04 oh nice 06:04 but then Vlad absolutely demolished me 06:04 yeah i've died there a couple times. I like the branch though! 06:04 -!- Tangles has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- mode/#hardfought [+o Tangles] by ChanServ 06:04 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Mon Bat Fem Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:12917 06:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Mon Gia Mal Cha), 10963 points, T:5279, killed by a gnome queen 06:08 stunned by a wizard 06:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Neu), 5632 points, T:5951, killed by a watch captain 06:11 yeah they suck 06:12 I don't even know how i just died 06:12 but those gnomish wizards have ruined so many games for me pre-unihorn 06:13 especially in minetown where you often can't even try to move stunned w/out hitting a shopkeeper/guard etc. 06:13 I like having pets at that stage even though they are a pita 06:13 !lastgame 06:13 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1598881191.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/evilhack/dumplog/1598904128.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/A/Antediluvia/splicehack/dumplog/1598912235.splice.html 06:14 think I forgot I had a unihorn 06:14 oh well, back to being demotivating and playing something easier :^) 06:15 yeah, I hear you about those ("&£$"£$ gnomish wizards in minetown 06:15 they are a menace to decent society 06:15 awww man I was psyched to see you playing evil! are slex and dnh really "easier" ? 06:15 indeed elenmirie! 06:21 -!- j6p has joined #hardfought 06:25 wouldn't say slex is but would say dnh is for sure 06:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Mon Bat Fem Cha) was given Fire Brand, on T:14416 06:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Mon Bat Fem Cha), 125681 points, T:14468, killed by a xorn 06:40 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Hum Fem Cha), 1644 points, T:1778, caught herself in her own blast 06:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dwa Fem Cha), 6329 points, T:583, killed by a master mind flayer 06:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2047 07:03 Ugh dnh crashed again 07:03 Nothing useful in the backtrace. 07:04 #0 __GI_raise (sig=16939) at ../sysdeps/unix/sysv/linux/raise.c:37 07:04 #1 0x00007f771bb9302a in __GI_abort () at abort.c:87 07:04 #2 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () 07:07 Last two lines of paniclog: 07:07 1597935109 Tangles: impossible Unknown type of gloves (272) 07:07 1597935109 Tangles: panic replace_object: obj position 07:07 There's more there from the same game but I think it's older (no way to really know) 07:08 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:12 hmmmm 07:13 is that all that's in there? 07:18 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 07:26 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Sir Garland, on T:36488 07:35 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:37049 07:38 amateurhour: Yeah that's all that's in the backtrace. 07:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Hum Fem Law), 46830 points, T:5124, caught herself in her own blast 07:44 -!- wvc has joined #hardfought 07:47 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Orc Fem Una), 218 points, T:472, killed by a jackal 07:47 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:37347 07:47 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 07:47 how odd, looks like in your current game there'll be a crash when anything fires a bow wearing long gloves Tangles 07:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Hlf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2365 07:49 assuming objects.c is the same for compat as this other branch, should check against compat... 07:49 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 07:51 oh it's a randomised glove actually 07:51 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:37575 07:51 I wonder if somehow there's an off by one somehow so one pair of gloves always triggers it 07:52 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 07:53 <{Demo}2> fixed in devel 07:53 <{Demo}2> has to do with monsters and harmonium gloves 07:53 <{Demo}2> I think 07:53 <{Demo}2> unless this is new? 07:54 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1181 points, T:2545, killed by a bolt of fire 07:54 probs not new 07:55 happened to Tangles on hdf so is on compat 07:55 glad it's already fixed then 08:00 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:37832 08:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Hlf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 godhands", on T:3412 08:02 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed Garland, on T:37986 08:03 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Wizard of Yendor, on T:46667 08:03 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) destroyed Chaos, on T:38005 08:04 [hdf-us] [nh343] FlopsyBunny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 17843 points, T:16514, killed by a hill orc, while fainted from lack of food 08:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) performed the invocation, on T:46738 08:05 -!- stenno2 is now known as stenno 08:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:47096 08:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Hlf Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:5892 08:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3608 08:18 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) attained the rank of Investigator, on T:3744 08:19 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3853 08:20 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered a temple, on T:3937 08:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Hlf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 dragonhide boots of speed", on T:6346 08:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Hlf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:6358 08:25 what is the most popular variant on hdf for now? 08:25 <{Demo}2> to startscum? 08:25 m 08:25 lol 08:25 excluding startscumming 08:26 i startscum all variants equally 08:27 probs dnh atm, think it was splicehack during june 08:27 oh wow 08:27 maybe dnh tied with evilhack 08:28 source: my ass 08:28 !who 08:28 Tangles: [hdf-us] gt [slshm] post163 [spl] tori [dnh] | [hdf-eu] Vis [nh370] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] Tangles [dnh] 08:28 smelly source 08:28 depends on your definition of 'now' 08:29 'nowadays' 08:29 the above shows more dnh is being played _right_ now. 08:29 are there people who play dnh who never played vanilla? It seems like (and I'm pulling this from ass as well) that there are lots of discord people who seem to have come from nowhere and only play dnh 08:33 ... why did demogorgon spawn awake and hitting me :( 08:33 Why did I not explore all the levels of Geho before grabbing the amulet? 08:34 These are all great questions 08:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 6610 points, T:5905, killed by a soldier ant 08:39 Ugh just typod graffiti on Tymora's altar. 08:39 * Tangles feels very foolish (for being unable to operate a keyboard properly) 08:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed towel", on T:48164 08:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:48183 09:09 [hdf-us] [fh] Arnibald (arnibald) (Val Hum Fem Law) received Grayswandir from Tyr, on T:84915 09:14 <{Demo}2> i dont know how to feel about this new wave of energy drinks 09:14 <{Demo}2> your bangs/reigns/other bang knockoffs 09:14 <{Demo}2> like 300 mg of caffeine and a splattering of other cancer causing shit 09:14 i'll stick to coffee.. 09:15 <{Demo}2> this shit gets u way more wired 09:15 yeah i've had drinks like that. Does it have guarana and ginseng etc. ? 09:15 are you in the states demo? 09:16 <{Demo}2> creatine, coq10, eaas, and yeah 09:16 caffeine causes cancer? wut? 09:17 300mg of caffeine on 100ml liquid? 09:17 or 1l ? 09:18 <{Demo}2> other shit that causes cancer 09:18 <{Demo}2> like, other shit that isnt caffeine. and that other shit causes cancer 09:18 Coffee gets me adequately wired and tastes nice 09:18 ok 09:18 <{Demo}2> this tastes like how i imagine antifreeze tastes to dogs 09:19 i drink at least 1l coffee at work 09:19 often more 09:19 but not so much at thome 09:19 <{Demo}2> i dont like the idea of regularly consuming psychoactive substances as part of a daily routine 09:19 I read that as "11 coffee" 09:20 Beer is an important part of a nutritious breakfast y'know 09:20 <{Demo}2> we dont need to drink beer so much now we have "clean" water 09:21 I'm not sure "need" is the word I was looking for 09:21 <{Demo}2> :P 09:22 <{Demo}2> beer is too much calories 09:22 <{Demo}2> and too much carbs 09:22 That's what makes it a nutritious breakfast 09:22 <{Demo}2> i guess if u dont go past ur carb limit, why not 09:23 if you want to live healthily yet affordable, US is not the place to be 09:23 <{Demo}2> yep 09:23 <{Demo}2> the water is poison 09:23 <{Demo}2> and so is the food 09:23 "carb limit", ahahahaha 09:23 gotta grow your own stuff in your garden or so 09:24 water can be disinfected by cooking 09:24 it's legal to have six plants here now 09:24 <{Demo}2> yeah i mean the US there are definitely places you can live healthily and affordably stenno, you just dont know about them because nobody fucking lives there 09:24 hah 09:25 demo: name three 09:25 or even one 09:25 rural vermont 09:25 wrong 09:26 <{Demo}2> idk them i dont go there i just hear whispers of it 09:26 you're right. too much ben & jerrys 09:26 no, i'm right because health care in the us is for-profit and not affordable no matter where you live 09:26 <{Demo}2> oh yeah, healthcare shit 09:26 <{Demo}2> i forgot about that 09:27 <{Demo}2> just dont ever get old :) 09:27 the problem is that most of the Left in the US seem to focus on identity politics instead of class politics 09:27 <{Demo}2> and dont get hurt or sick 09:27 the american healthcare plan: "Don't get sick." 09:27 imagine having RACE RIOTS in 2020 09:27 <{Demo}2> its a lot like the evilhack plan 09:27 <{Demo}2> just dont die 09:27 inconceivable 09:28 even that the concept of 'race' is used as a scientific concept 09:28 mind-boggling 09:28 as if there was no development since, say, the 50s 09:29 I'm not aware of race really being used as a scientific concept, unless you count demographics data and stuff like that 09:29 things (racism) don't change that quickly 09:29 they didn't change at all :( 09:29 the 50/60s weren't that long ago in the grand scheme of thigns 09:29 well it _kinda_ worked out in germany 09:29 nor were the 1860s 09:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) entered the Planes, on T:50767 09:29 <{Demo}2> idk but its good for breeding infighting in the working class so u dont have to deal with them wanting anything that affects u changed as a government artistocrat 09:30 rebatela: i lived through the race riots of the 60s. nothing has changed 09:30 Oh, come on. We've come a long way since the days of scientific racism. Now we have "human biodiversity", which is completely different from scientific racism because it's spelled differently 09:30 -!- j6p_ has joined #hardfought 09:30 hothraxxa: well, they changed in that it became non-kosher to be openly racist, and now the racists are trying to be openly racist again 09:30 firstly yes, discussions about 'race' split the lower class 09:30 the problem is that we convinced ourselves that things did change 09:30 [hdf-au] [nh343] FlopsyBunny (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:5587 09:30 however, the enemy is not neccessarily 'the government', but rather 'the upper class' 09:31 for reasons i don't understand, in the US every top-level politician is a millionaire 09:31 <{Demo}2> at what point does the upper class act as a pseudogovernment? 09:31 all power to our brother workers 09:31 it always does 09:31 [hdf-us] [nh343] FlopsyBunny (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3489 09:31 stenno: the usual argument I see against not giving politicians high salaries is that they'd take bribes otherwise. but this does not seem to work in practice 09:31 yes but the concept of the working class rising up is alien to the US Left 09:31 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 boots of flying", on T:50819 09:31 because they still take bribes, and politicians elsewhere don't have as high salaries 09:32 yeah 09:32 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 09:32 sorry did I say bribes? I meant "lobbying" 09:32 stenno: the us left is just slightly right of centre 09:32 -!- j6p has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:32 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 09:32 at least you in the US have transparent lobbying 09:32 hothraxxa: thats true 09:33 so there will not be universal healthcare for US citizens because for that you'd need to understand the concept of solidarity 09:33 keep repeating the word 'concept', bleh 09:34 you keep using that word. i don't think it means what you think it means 09:34 aosdict: as far as i understood many politicians were millionaires before they even got into politics 09:34 ^^^ 09:34 in the us, money is how you get elected 09:35 didn't colin powell say something like that at some point? 09:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:2653 09:36 can't find the quote 09:37 for a leftist in germany (and i think in all over europe), patriotism and military worship is a poison 09:37 doesn't really seem to be like that in the US 09:37 anyway rant end 09:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Famine, on T:50999 09:38 [hdf-au] [nh343] FlopsyBunny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 3325 points, T:6595, died of starvation 09:38 there's an appointed (unelected) senator from Georgia who is married to the owner of the new york stock exchange 09:38 <{Demo}2> ur one of those east germans 09:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:51018 09:41 west german 09:41 when the wall fell i was like 4 09:43 Wow, I actually got the right altar on the first try for once 09:43 With 46 health left and no healing 09:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] tori (Val Hum Fem Neu), 7090540 points, T:51048, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/t/tori/dnethack/dumplog/1598698946.dnh.txt 09:43 <{Demo}2> yeah no it was a joke because to an american what ur saying is hyper leftist to the point that its like... communism???? reds?? where??? 09:44 {Demo}2: the hot new term is 'marxist' 09:45 Shurely "cultural Marxist", which AFAICT means sod all besides that the speaker doesn't like it 09:45 I live in Brazil and we have got the same crap. People call things 'communist' but can't define 'communism' 09:45 We learned perfectly from the US playbook 09:45 cultural marxism is a term from the right related to antisemitism 09:45 <{Demo}2> just as the CIA enforced 09:49 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 09:49 -!- kame has quit [Quit: Leaving] 09:49 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 09:50 in most of europe, being a socialist is a normal political position 09:50 remember france had a socialist president (who failed epicly) a few years ago 09:50 it's like a curse word here 09:50 <{Demo}2> wait that guy is gone now? 09:50 but don't confuse socialist with social democrat 09:51 despite the fact that when you poll people on invididual policies, americans are very in favor of many socialist things 09:51 social democrats are different, yes 09:51 Sanders uses it quite often for a curse word 09:51 <{Demo}2> and look what they did to sanders 09:51 twice 09:51 in germany, the communists and the democratic socialists hate each other because the dem socs betrayed the communists which lead to the execution of liebknecht and luxemburg 09:51 and betrayed the revolution 09:52 i'm off to vote ! (senate race in masachusetts) 09:52 markey? 09:52 <{Demo}2> if i see any sort of government or pseudogovernment, im gonna say fuckem, that's my rules, fuckem, they watching out for their entities best interest, not me 09:52 soc dems went hand in hand with the proto-nazis (Freikorps) to crush the socialist revolution 09:53 mile and half walk or so... it's a dry run for november (when my vote won't count) 09:53 aosdict: markey for me, yes 09:53 state and local elections will matter in november! 09:53 oh for sure, and i'll be there.. I just wish I could vote against trump a million times 09:54 {Demo}2: the government should not be your enemy 09:54 Sanders didn't win, but he was hardly lost in the way he would be if he was, say, a communist in the 50s, or openly not a Christian 09:54 stenno: apparently during covid, a poll of americans viewing the government as their enemy has sharply dropped among all political groups 09:54 interesting 09:55 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 09:55 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest52193 09:55 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 09:55 <{Demo}2> a government that represents the people will always be my enemy 09:55 the way they all dropped out when he was about to win is shady as fuck though, and just goes to show they would rather risk 4 more years of trump than have actually progressive policies 09:55 <{Demo}2> a government that isnt me is my enemy 09:55 well not "as their enemy", I think the question was "would you tell the government 'help me out' or 'leave me alone'" 09:55 <{Demo}2> whatever would help me most in the instance 09:56 social democrats* not democratic socialists as i said earlier 09:56 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:4171 09:56 rebatela: I honestly think after seeing everything this spring and summer that a Sanders ticket would have handed the election to Trump 09:57 yep. there's truth to that 09:57 <{Demo}2> the best way to drink a bang is like its a scotch 09:57 social democrats vs. democratic socialists is like judean peoples front vs peoples front of judea 09:57 just explaining where my heart lies. I would vote for a tin opener if I thought it could be trump 09:57 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:4289 09:58 rebatela: "At least Nixon was smart and crooked" ? 09:58 -!- Guest52193 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:58 I hate to be rude but I'd rather not talk about politics in this christian minecraft server 09:58 beat* 09:58 <{Demo}2> i just want whoever is gonna make the best system for me to fuck around in and not have to follow the rules man cause no matter theres always gonna be dumb rules and so i gotta have a system where i can break them the best and get away with it 09:58 I still get to vote for aoc in november which is nice 09:59 aosdict: Oh, she's good, we'd trade you for Mhairi Black if you like 10:00 amateurhour: that's not rude at all! couldn't agree more actually 10:00 {Demo}2: well if you are very rich, you can usually afford to break the rules unless you screw up 10:00 for example if i was rich, i wouldn't care about speeding tickets or tickets for parking in the wrong spot 10:00 <{Demo}2> well thats true but like, you dont just get very rich 10:00 i can just afford being a cunt 10:01 <{Demo}2> that shits mean though 10:01 all fines to be expressed as a percentage of net worth 10:01 {Demo}2: have u considered making ur own colas and pumping them with sugar and caffeine 10:01 aosdict: good idea, like in scandinavia 10:01 <{Demo}2> hmm 10:01 <{Demo}2> that sounds bad 10:01 <{Demo}2> i dont like sugar and caffeine 10:01 aosdict: I'm all in for this idea 10:01 in the US you already have this 'punishment' aspect 10:01 wtf do you drink jolt for then 10:01 <{Demo}2> i dont? 10:02 <{Demo}2> like, rarely do i consume caffeine 10:02 This was proposed here in Brazil, but a lot of people that THINK they're rich got pissed off 10:02 but I thought you were on the hunt for them 10:02 <{Demo}2> well yes 10:02 though with a minimum amt so you can't avoid fines by having zero net worth 10:02 "because the government hates rich people!!!!1111!!1" 10:02 scouring every dollar store to get ur fix 10:02 <{Demo}2> dollar general, but yeah 10:02 like a company gets sued for millions of millions of dollars for a trivial thing 10:02 just because it should be a company 10:02 er 10:02 <{Demo}2> i dont drink them often, i just like to have them for when i decide its time 10:02 it should be a punishment 10:02 <{Demo}2> i dont think ive had any sort of energy drink until today since may 10:02 huh, fair enough 10:03 its not for compensating the victim but for punishing the offender 10:03 but this invites that people just make up claims 10:03 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/OpenCola_(drink) 10:03 <{Demo}2> oh yeah ive heard of that 10:04 so my suggestion would be that the company has to pay a lot, but the money goes to a public institution or so, and the victim just gets compensated 10:04 so there is a punishment aspect, but there is no impetus of just randomly suing people for millions of dollars 10:05 Uh... this seems to be confusing criminal punishment with civil liability 10:05 wit 10:05 wait 10:06 why can i sue bigass companies for millions of dollars in the US when the actual compensation is just, like, several thousand dollars? 10:07 If something about McDonald's coffee is about to emerge I am going to roll my eyes very hard 10:07 maybe i am misunderstnding something 10:07 well maybe not that case specifically 10:07 but there are a lot of that kind of cases 10:07 how can it be justified that a person gets millions of millions in compensation 10:07 "Everybody knows" there are. Most of them turn out to be nonsense, like that one. 10:08 "its not for compensating the victim but for punishing the offender" <- criminal law punishes offenders, not civil law 10:08 [hdf-us] [nh343] FlopsyBunny (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1718 points, T:6541, killed by a little dog, while fainted from lack of food 10:08 well the woman in the mcdonalds coffee trial really got hurt 10:08 and the coffee _was_ too hot 10:08 <{Demo}2> lmao if ur coffee is too hot just blow on it 10:09 <{Demo}2> like fuck, what if u made ur own coffee and it was too hot 10:09 And most of the cases that "everybody knows" about either don't exist altogether (cruise control on camper) or turn out to be justified. 10:09 regardless, if you talk about compensation, those are probably a few 10k dollars and not millions 10:09 [hdf-us] [slex] pavelek (Pro Gno Mal Law), 200 points, T:271, poisoned by a large cockroach 10:10 imagine getting permanently disfiguring third degree burns all around your pelvis, losing a fifth of your bodyweight while in hospital for it, being partially disabled for two years 10:10 Liebeck's attorneys argued that, at 180–190 °F (82–88 °C), McDonald's coffee was defective, claiming it was too hot and more likely to cause serious injury than coffee served at any other establishment. 10:10 and the media and people just think it's a frivalous lawsuit 10:10 yeah 10:11 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:5758 10:11 i think it was justified too 10:11 that's a feelsbadman 10:11 but it doesn't justify millions of dollars of compensation 10:11 also why didn't mcdonald's just settle, she didn't even ask for much 10:11 and it probably also doesn't justify 600k dollar of compensation (which is what she got in the end) 10:11 the millions of dollars is for things like "permanent psychological damage" iirc 10:12 wikipedia suggested she asked for 20k for medical costs 10:12 <{Demo}2> i want mcdonalds 10:12 fuck mcdonalds 10:12 mcdonald's offered 800 bucks and wouldn't go higher 10:12 lol 10:12 didn't you just complain about poisonous food' 10:12 <{Demo}2> yeah fuckem but its tasty 10:12 <{Demo}2> yes 10:12 it tastes like shit 10:12 basically, because the civil law system lets you sue anyone for any reason for any amount of money, there is every incentive for the plaintiff to sue for every conceivable cause there is 10:13 <{Demo}2> its poison but u can have poison every now and then 10:13 do you have in n out near you? that was good shit 10:13 <{Demo}2> stenno, stockhold syndrome hits hard 10:13 holm 10:13 but why 10:13 its not a good burger 10:13 <{Demo}2> no in n out because thats for west coast losers 10:13 fiq zaps {Demo}2 with a wand of striking 10:13 stock hold steve austin 10:13 i thought US was the country of burgres 10:13 <{Demo}2> mcdonalds burgers arent burgers 10:13 can't you just go to a proper burger place near you 10:13 <{Demo}2> we have 5 guys here if u want a higher end burger chain 10:13 that isn't a fast food franchise 10:14 > 5 guys > higher end 10:14 think I just threw up a lil 10:14 <{Demo}2> im sorry, i can spend 1 dollar for a "cheeseburger" or i can spend like 10 10:14 <{Demo}2> i think ill spend 1 dollar cause i shouldnt be eating cheeseburgers 10:14 lol fair enough 10:14 that doesn't even make sense 10:14 eating a cheeseburger every now and then is fine 10:15 <{Demo}2> yeah 10:15 I can make myself a nice veggie burger at home, but I can't make french fries easily 10:15 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:15 so then put some money (if you can) into the few times you are going to eat cheeseburger 10:15 and places that have a vegetarian fryer are hit or miss 10:15 so it will taste good 10:15 and not like shit and wont give you constipation 10:15 <{Demo}2> my stomach isnt a bitch so i can eat whack shit 10:16 <{Demo}2> and also, if i make it a more pleasant experience, ill want to do it more often 10:16 <{Demo}2> and thats bad 10:16 i would never eat crappy food on purpose 10:16 doesn't make sense 10:16 hey stenno it's all about the calories/price ratio, gotta maximise 10:17 forget about irrelevant metrics like '''enjoyment''' and '''avoiding depression''' 10:17 <{Demo}2> its a lot like drinking bottom shelf liquor 10:18 <{Demo}2> like, the more unpleasant it is, the less often you'll want to do it 10:22 its different when you just cannot afford anything better 10:22 <{Demo}2> or shouldn't 10:23 i don't want to tell people without much money on how to spend it, if their idea of having a feast is going to mcdonalds, thats fine then 10:23 but when you can afford it you should strive for good food 10:23 <{Demo}2> im a big advocate of intentional suffering to build character and perspective 10:24 I think the mcdonalds approach also appeals to people without much time (multiple jobs or what have you) 10:24 i was a long time a proponent for the self-destruction in the punk attitude 10:24 but not anymore 10:24 i destroyed myself and now i am dumb 10:25 was a bad idea, for some reason i expected my life to end when i was 30 or so 10:25 <{Demo}2> destroyed in what ways? 10:25 drugs mostly 10:25 <{Demo}2> yeah no drugs are bad 10:25 and just punk lifestyle 10:25 <{Demo}2> yeah 10:25 not much sleep, not much hygiene 10:25 being outside in the dirt often 10:25 <{Demo}2> yeah sleep is super important 10:26 <{Demo}2> also so is waking up at a reasonable time in the morning 10:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:46167 10:26 <{Demo}2> you sacrifice things like quality liquor and quality cheeseburgers for things like sleep and hygeine 10:26 <{Demo}2> and investing your time in shit that will have a positive long term return 10:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] APic (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:46177 10:28 -!- wvc has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 10:31 [hdf-us] [xnh] naoky (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a werewolf, on T:6777 10:33 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 10:33 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Killed (cherryh.freenode.net (Nickname regained by services))] 10:33 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 10:37 -!- VaderFLAG_ has joined #hardfought 10:37 -!- VaderFLAG is now known as Guest54613 10:37 -!- VaderFLAG_ is now known as VaderFLAG 10:40 -!- Guest54613 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 10:43 -!- beetcoin_ has joined #hardfought 10:47 [hdf-us] [slex] pavelek (Aci Ali Mal Cha), 1762 points, T:1478, killed by a monster (hallucinogen-distorted RNG Sergeant) 10:48 -!- beetcoin has quit [Quit: rip] 10:49 -!- jonadab has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 11:00 -!- jonadab has joined #hardfought 11:00 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v jonadab] by ChanServ 11:06 [hdf-us] [fh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Law) killed the ghost of Heliokopis, the former Thaumaturge, on T:3555 11:13