00:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +3 godhands", on T:4548 00:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Elf Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:5022 00:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Sam Hum Fem Law), 3454 points, T:3466, killed by a barrow wight 00:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 30257 points, T:7051, dissolved in molten lava 00:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1580 01:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3043 01:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3253 01:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:4329 01:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:4396 01:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered a shop, on T:4515 01:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3071 01:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:6152 01:26 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:7622 01:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] plaxcaster (Val Dwa Fem Law), 7993 points, T:8295, poisoned by a soldier ant 01:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:7032 02:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] Menche (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 831 points, T:2443, killed by a magic missile 02:55 ow crap 02:55 watch out for the leprechaun with the wand of MM 03:13 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 03:22 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 03:23 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +3 godhands", on T:15177 03:31 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Quit: Going offline, see ya! (www.adiirc.com)] 03:31 -!- elenmirie__ has joined #hardfought 03:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "fixed tinning kit", on T:15958 03:45 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 04:07 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:17 -!- dtype has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:21 -!- dtype has joined #hardfought 04:25 -!- spicycat has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 04:32 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 04:33 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 04:37 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [Client Quit] 05:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed fluorite octet", on T:18585 05:24 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 05:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Oona, on T:19588 05:41 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 05:47 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 05:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:20031 05:49 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 05:52 -!- Alasnuyo has joined #hardfought 05:52 dNethack question: Is the Shrouded dispensary guaranteed to generate in the Neutral Quest? 06:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:20779 06:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:31747 06:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:31749 06:21 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Bin Orc Fem Non), 342 points, T:1161, killed by a large kobold 06:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1453 points, T:1316, killed by a dwarf 06:34 -!- spicycat has quit [Quit: Connection closed for inactivity] 06:42 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 06:42 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 06:48 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 221 points, T:1420, killed by a gas spore's explosion 06:49 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 3082 points, T:1667, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted parrot 06:56 <@ShivanHunter> !who 06:56 @ShivanHunter: [hdf-us] Alasnuyo [dnh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] OhNoNotAgain [nh370] Vis [nh370] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 07:01 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 07:01 Alasnuyo: as far as I'm aware yes, did you not find it? 07:03 Yeah, I've looked all over the Outlands. I was hoping that it was hidden somewhere in the Spire level since I can't use magic mapping spells there. 07:03 it'll be in one of the first 4 woodland areas I think 07:03 That's the only place I haven't gone through with a fine-toothed comb. 07:03 I hope you're right, and that I've merely missed it. 07:03 so before the 100% failure rate 07:04 Hopefully. 07:05 which book are you hoping to get? 07:05 Book of Lost Names. 07:05 I've already got Necronomicon. 07:05 I was hoping to get the seal for Paimon, specifically. 07:06 Also because I've already spent a wish for 2 dolls of stealing, since the Doll I've encountered so far didn't sell it. 07:06 One for Illurien and one for Nitocris. 07:08 that's a clever strategy 07:08 Yeah, I was hoping not have to kill Illurien to get her spellbook. 07:11 Getting Paimon would let me mitigate the risk of fading spellbooks, since I can then just bash monsters in the face with spellbooks to refresh their read counter. 07:12 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:3114 07:13 Also, does anyone know if the Words of Creation are wishable? They're supposed to be the artifact equivalents for a variant of the Chaos Quest, after all. 07:13 I'm honestly not sure, I would assume not but never tried, I'll try it in wizard mode... 07:15 ah wizards can just wish for anything though, can't they 07:16 <@ShivanHunter> I think wizmode can ^W for anything but wands/etc are subject to the usual rules 07:16 <@ShivanHunter> IIRC 07:17 ah yeah you're right 07:17 wishing for blinding glyph says you cannot wish for that 07:17 makes sense I guess 07:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:1488 07:19 no idea if that counts as the artifact or base item though 07:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1842 points, T:2522, killed by a giant beetle 07:28 <@FIQ> ctrl+w wishes are no different from wand wishes in vanilla wizmode 07:29 <@FIQ> some variants make a difference, specifically for this reason -- testing non-wizmode wishing 07:33 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 07:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1633 points, T:1645, killed by a rothe 07:57 -!- j6p has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 08:00 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #hardfought 08:04 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the invisible high shaman of Moloch, on T:87226 08:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] post163 (Wiz Orc Mal Cha), 308 points, T:1001, killed by a brown mold 08:06 I think I'm a bit over-levelled for the encounter... 08:17 <@riker> hes also just squishy 08:17 <@riker> angband orcs are a lot ruder though 08:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1125 points, T:1789, killed by a gold golem 08:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 176 points, T:301, killed by a dwarf 08:32 -!- Alasnuyo has left #hardfought 08:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Stripling, on T:951 08:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:1023 08:38 sup amateurhour 08:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon him by Crom, on T:1125 08:40 <@riker> alasnuyo you cannot wish for them 08:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Karnac (Pri Hum Mal Neu), 1294 points, T:1249, killed by a giant mimic 08:50 are orcs crazy difficult monsters in angband? 08:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Val Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:1765 08:51 <@riker> dunno about the game 08:51 <@riker> but angband thr place in LOTR sorra 08:52 <@riker> dnh takes the approach of "the older generations of orcs are stronger", and angband hasn't been around for a while 08:53 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 08:57 gotcha 08:58 my brother used to play a ton of angband 08:58 i keep trying to get him to play nh w/ us (he's ascended vanilla back in the day too) 09:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Mon Swn Fem Law) wished for "Grandmaster's Robe", on T:42055 09:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] fxenakis (Mon Swn Fem Law) wished for "bag of holding", on T:42058 09:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Val Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2756 09:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Val Hum Fem Law) entered a temple, on T:3077 09:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Lungorthin, on T:87926 09:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] XYS (Val Hum Fem Law) eschewed atheism, by dropping 6 shuriken on an altar, on T:3088 09:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed fixed +3 silver droven daggers", on T:23750 09:26 [hdf-us] [nh343] woodstea23 (Cav Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:19997 09:28 -!- Alasnuyo has joined #hardfought 09:30 Huh. So it turns out that the Shard of Morgoth's Crown increases my max hp by roughly 20% when worn. The wiki didn't say anything about that. 09:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Shelob, on T:23889 09:30 <@riker> that's your con modifier to hp 09:31 Ah, I see. 09:31 <@riker> it does +6 to all attrib scores when worn, and that'll boost your hp by quite a bit 09:32 I never noticed that upping the attribute scores directly increases the max hp. 09:32 -!- joes has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 09:40 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 09:40 how exactly does one wear a shard of a crown 09:44 aosdict: It's a 'twisted band of jagged iron', which you can wear as a ring. 09:44 sounds painful 09:45 actually its base-type is whatever 'iron ring' is in the game (aggravate monster last time I found it) 09:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "2 blessed fixed +3 gigantic silver droven dagger", on T:24322 09:46 special rooms with a lich boxed in by walls, best ignored or is there a chance of interesting loot? 09:48 that will be empty ime lol 09:48 (just looked at your game) but who knows. kill it 09:48 thx, I'll leave it for now ;-) 09:48 surely you have mr ? 09:49 yeah i don't even bother. although i've been dying lately don't listen to me haha 09:49 yeah bu they can still cancel stuff 09:49 *but 09:49 -!- VaderFLAG has joined #hardfought 09:49 I always try to take them out with ranged attacks 09:50 well until I find genocide at least 09:50 for sure 09:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed Shelob, on T:89014 10:11 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Ana Inc Mal Neu) entered the Planes, on T:44026 10:12 [hdf-us] [nh343] woodstea23 (Cav Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:21503 10:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:25504 10:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Lungorthin, on T:25686 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh343] woodstea23 (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:21937 10:23 [hdf-us] [nh343] woodstea23 (Cav Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed Orb of Detection", on T:21941 10:31 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Val Hum Fem Law) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:34561 10:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased wallet of perseus", on T:12593 10:47 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] stenno (Bar Vam Fem Cha), 994 points, T:1048, killed by Berith 10:51 -!- VaderFLAG has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:05 aosdict: YANI: don't have weird exceptions for levitation/flight in Sokoban. Instead, just penalize it like every other cheat 11:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:15430 11:06 meaning, as soon as you open up the path to the hole corridor, you can levitate over them incurring -1 Luck every time? 11:06 yes 11:06 if the player wants to give themselves -13 luck, who am I to stop them 11:06 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:15535 11:07 actually I don't really like that penalty 11:07 -10 or -7 really 11:07 too subtle and harsh 11:07 but that's unrelated 11:07 from this YANI 11:07 er right, they probably wouldn't also carry a cursed luckstone 11:07 but still 11:08 this would mean you could theoretically skip forward to the goal level, revgeno coaligned unicorns, and toss them a few gems to not have to take on the zoo with a big luck penalty 11:08 I do not see the problem with creative solutions 11:09 don't even give the luck penalty imo 11:09 for creative solutions that weren't thought of already 11:10 like don't patch out some 200iq ideas 11:10 saw thoughts on github issues about removing branchporting workarounds 11:10 huh? 11:11 can use the eye of the ahtejthsitpica to brachport past the puzzles supposedly 11:11 well imo don't ban or punish that, that's genius 11:11 NH has dedicated arrival regions 11:11 specifically for this 11:11 doesn't it use it for sokoban? 11:11 FIQ: the problem is not regions, it's that now branchporting to soko lands you on the zoo level, not the entry level 11:12 but yeah it's sufficiently funny to me that I'd leave that alone 11:12 someone reported it as an issue in vanilla so guessing not 11:12 aosdict: heh NH4 does the same thing 11:12 but that sounds like a bug 11:12 not just an exploit 11:12 how can it port you to a level you haven't visited? 11:12 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (And-Ana And Fem Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:28047 11:12 an idea I think has been discussed before is to remove the luck penalty and either 1) reward the player for finishing the level properly (like dnh and its food crates?) or 2) turn the prize into something less worth it if you have cheated 11:13 I'd just give a free XL or two for solving it the right way 11:13 maybe even move the loot (besides food) away from sokoban entirely 11:13 it should be optional 11:13 it was meant that way 11:13 but the rewards are good enough that everyone does it anyway 11:13 YANI: have dnh style crates, and put the wand and ring from the level into those 11:13 as well as the food 11:14 replace with single giant soko floor with good normal loot scattered around 11:14 that would necessitate removing additional boulders 11:14 replace the 4 soko levels with a single one of the giant ones: http://jonadab.jumpingcrab.com/nethack-stuff/spoilers-fourk/sokoban/nonfourk-levels.html 11:14 :) 11:15 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:15886 11:15 Not necessarily, you can put the wand and ring into crates that are more or less guaranteed to be used up 11:15 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:15 another problem with sokoban (from my game-design point of view) is that it penalizes typos 11:16 you can know what you need to do to solve the problem but then have to cheat because of hitting the wrong key 11:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana And Fem Neu), 1394958 points, T:28097, killed by a shard of a morgul-blade 11:17 soko reset button when? 11:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:16879 11:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:16972 11:19 i like how sometimes you fat finger and f up on soko on some easy level (but one not forgiving) and you are stuck. That's how it should be i think. if you could levitate, it would defeat the whole idea of not f-ing up 11:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Garland, on T:17165 11:19 1 scroll of earth should be enough anyway 11:19 you guys want to make the game easy. i don't get it 11:20 well rebatela I'm aware that we have widely divergent philosophies on ruining your game (or part of it) through typos 11:20 to me, difficulty arising from typos is artificial and should be eliminated 11:20 definitely. i don't think i'm right or anything either... it's just honestly what i LIKE about the game 11:21 we all have the puzzles memorized. what is the point other than tedium if you can't f up ? 11:21 aosdict: just have a soko-exclusive trap that resets everything on the floor 11:21 boulders, holes 11:21 removes new holes and remakes old ones 11:22 and repositions boulders 11:22 removes superfluous boulders, etc 11:22 that would solve the wand-of-digging-in-zoo-door problem 11:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Mal Cha), 2038 points, T:198, killed by a myrkalfar warrior 11:22 FIQ: I was pondering how that would work exactly. where do you store the data that controls where the boulders and holes go, but will NOT regenerate monsters and objects? 11:22 it makes sokoban offer an infinite osurce of boulders 11:22 but I don't think this is a problem 11:22 for instance, you shouldn't be able to refresh the wand/ring 11:23 or escape from a tough encounter with a monster 11:23 by hitting reset 11:23 aosdict: I would only reset holes and boulders 11:23 also that's why I suggested a trap 11:23 basically, add a side corridor near stairs 11:23 yeah so there needs to be some data somewhere that controls the hole and boulder positions 11:23 with a locked door (to avoid monsters messing with it) 11:23 probably in 3.7 that's a lua function? 11:23 that leads to a trap that resets the floor layout 11:23 I don't know how lua stuff works in 3.7 11:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:17173 11:23 or the trap only does anything when the player uses it 11:24 if I added this in fh, I'd just store the location somehow as you arrive on a sokoban level 11:24 it seems like it'd be easier to do in lua than des, for certain 11:24 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) killed the invisible Grue, on T:23736 11:24 aosdict: but that isn't symmetric :P 11:25 this is a trap that is not meant as a trap and is only a trap because that's the simplest way to do it. it doesn't need to be symmetric 11:25 pfff 11:25 you may as well be able to save game if you're going to have paranoid options 11:25 you *can* save the game 11:25 you know what i mean 11:25 rebatela: huh? we're not discussing any paranoid options for sokoban... 11:25 haha i know... just fat fingering in general 11:25 save scumming and UI protections are very different things 11:26 it's the sudden game over factor i like i think 11:26 rebatela: though I guess you would be against a sokoban reset button as well 11:26 we aren't discussing allowing people to undo tactical mistakes 11:26 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 11:26 only mistakes caused by fatfingering 11:26 which is very different 11:26 EPI: an invisible trap that sometimes presses the wrong direction on your behalf 11:26 slex has a reversed-direction trap 11:26 I'm sure slex has that 11:26 ha 11:26 yeah and it's pure aids 11:26 brb 11:27 reminds me of mother 2's mushroomized 11:27 oh man mother 2 and mother 3 are amazin 11:27 which occasionally messes with your controls 11:27 mother 3 I think is one of my favourite games ever 11:27 cycling them sideeways at random 11:27 it was a very long time ago I won mother 2 and 3 11:28 s/won/completed/ 11:28 I hope they bring out a switch port or something, but no doubt they'll have to 'sanitise' it somewhat 11:28 oh the wii U port didn't have any censors whatsoever to my knowledge 11:28 just a different age rating 11:28 perhaps magical crossdressing gypsies wouldn't fly today 11:28 well ok, not "port" 11:28 it was a VC game 11:28 but you get my point 11:29 Something is written here in the dust. You read: "F? ? (F?" 11:29 Excuse me? 11:29 F 11:29 amateurhour: oh you're talking mother 3, not 2 11:29 yeah FIQ 11:29 the best one :^) 11:29 yeah that's very unlikely to happen here in the West 11:29 since the game was never translated 11:30 it would lose its charm somewhat if they removed any of the questionable whacky things in there 11:30 I used a fan translation patch to play it 11:31 can't read japanese 11:31 they can't use that 11:31 not officially 11:31 yeah, they'd have to translate it themselves 11:31 and no doubt localisation might be tricky 11:31 sokoban and mines are optional. reset button? hard pass 11:31 and I remember reading about the painstaking process of doing it for the romhackers 11:31 and sure, if they had the source code lying around, that'd help 11:31 but it'd still be an unreasonably difficult process 11:32 I think it's more likely to see an actual remake (which I also consider unlikely) 11:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Ana Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Famine, on T:44581 11:32 such a wild ride of a game 11:33 i also think using helm of opposite of alignment is nothing more than escaping, but don't tell luxidream 11:33 I agree with @luxidream on it being fair game 11:33 i seem to be the only person who thinks that way too, which kind of blows my mind 11:33 I feel iffy about it myself, but it's entirely fair since the game allows it 11:34 but I wouldn't miss the ability if it was removed 11:34 the game allows it for sure. i will agree on that 11:34 I considered once trying to figure out a way to plausible require you to go to all 3 altars 11:34 so one ascension isn't randomly much harder than another 11:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Arc Hum Mal Law) entered Sokoban, on T:8186 11:34 which I don't really like 11:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (And-Ana And Fem Neu) has already received their quest via sticky-note, on T:19345 11:35 this applies to non-OA too 11:35 see, i LIKE that it's random... some times you get the grand tour. sometimes it's easy 11:35 easier* 11:35 but if you can just ascend on the first altar because you saved a wish? c'mon 11:35 I fail to see the difference 11:35 you'd like slex a lot, it maximises the randomness... 11:36 as if i'd make it to astral in slex? 11:36 you might do, you're a much more patient and cautious player than I am 11:36 no i play fast 11:36 too fast 11:36 and die 11:36 why don't you play evil anymore amateur? 11:36 you used to play when it came out 11:36 dnh livelogs make me feel dumb 11:36 because I was fed up of being bad and replaying the early game a lot 11:37 you should try fiqhack 11:37 fiqhack has the easiest earlygame of all variants to my knowledge 11:37 <@riker> dnh early game is pretty easy 11:37 with a much more realible pet and always-lit mines 11:38 before minetown 11:38 <@Sig> It’s really easy if you pick ana 11:38 <@riker> doesnt count 11:38 <@Sig> Lol 11:38 <{Demo}2> ana doesn't have an early game 11:38 -!- joes has joined #hardfought 11:39 unlike vanilla, fiqhack pets will easily handly everything for you earlygame if you let it 11:39 which is a major reason that it's easier 11:39 it wasn't so much the early game, instead it was seeing the early game over and over 11:39 if you get me 11:39 and then being bad and demotivated 11:39 but that's a problem that occurs in *every* variant 11:39 not just evil 11:39 ndnh has multiple mines variants 11:40 what do you mean? 11:40 you pick from a choice of 5 branches 11:40 <{Demo}2> they aren't mines variants 11:40 early wishes help immesnely... but i can get to castle pretty consistently w/out wishes in evil. i play a lot tho 11:40 one of which is the almost vanilla mines 11:40 how does that work 11:40 <{Demo}2> 1 of them is the mines 11:40 it's really cool 11:40 <{Demo}2> the other 4 are other shit 11:40 and until recently start scummed 11:40 how do you choose 11:40 <{Demo}2> dlvl 4 is the village level 11:41 <{Demo}2> a village based on your race and some dice 11:41 <{Demo}2> and there's a travelling wizard there 11:41 I should try ndnh 11:41 usually when I read about it, it sounds like a joke variant 11:41 but it has cool stuff 11:41 <{Demo}2> that you can talk to, and he will open a portal to the branch you tell him to 11:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 21896 points, T:1914, killed by a snake 11:41 Is there any way to remove morgul shards without potions of starlight? 11:41 {Demo}2: ah I see 11:42 fiq: pets are underused 11:42 <{Demo}2> changelog for u fiq https://raw.githubusercontent.com/demogorgon22/notdnethack/2020.04.16/changelog.txt 11:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Ana Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Pestilence, on T:44674 11:42 rebatela: pets are one of the first things I overhauled in fiqhack 11:42 they're almost entirely self-sufficient in fh 11:42 and needs far less micromanagement 11:42 nice 11:43 <@riker> alasnuyo blessed full healing, prayer, effigy 11:43 <@riker> blessed starlight or FH heals 1 shard 11:43 <@riker> effigy heals a random amount up to all 11:43 <{Demo}2> can pets in fh worship deities yet? 11:43 <@riker> prayer on an altar cures them all, prayer off an altar has no effect 11:44 Does BUC matter for the effigy? 11:44 {Demo}2: this isn't dcss 11:44 or do you mean like #pray 11:44 <@riker> it does not 11:44 I see. 11:45 <@riker> effigies are entirely BUC agnostic for any effects, they're supposed to be an emergency button of sorts 11:45 <{Demo}2> like #pray 11:45 <@riker> they also do curses, sanity rrpair, and max hp damage repair 11:45 <{Demo}2> and by pets, I mean monsters 11:45 I'll try the altar first then. 11:45 when i first started playing monk, i was like "wtf is with this garbage food? apples and oranges and FORTUNE COOKIES?" ? ? it's for taming u and d and f . thank you warhorse 11:46 and i always save fortune cookies early game for cats/dogs to BUC test 11:46 charm monster is just ridiculous tho. i don't even like discussing it because it will get nerfed 11:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Ana Inc Mal Neu) destroyed Death, on T:44737 11:47 evil makes it lvl 5 but it is still ridiculous once you can cast it 11:47 uh oh that sounds suspiciously close to Unsanctioned Fun 11:47 to the nerfmobile :^) 11:48 some variants, maybe it's only dnh, cap the number of pets you can have based on your cha 11:48 i like that 11:48 <@riker> I believe only dnh 11:48 eh does that with conflict 11:48 <@riker> caps at cha/3 floored 11:48 no one would follow me into battle irl 11:48 lol 11:49 I prefer cha influencing taming effects rather than conflict, I think. makes slightly more sense 11:49 <@riker> charm monster is also like lvl 5, pacify monster replaces it as a lvl 3 spell 11:49 <@riker> charm monster is also like lvl 5, pacify monster replaces it as a lvl 3 spell 11:49 <@riker> and most taming effects are directional 11:49 though, in D&D they'd probably both be cha based 11:49 hmm, I like having a lower-level pacify spell. 11:50 sometimes all you want is to pacify the angry priest or shk or whatever 11:50 <@riker> I think that's neros idea 11:50 is there a complementary scroll for it? 11:50 <@riker> nope 11:50 YASI: complementary scroll, you get it for free randomly in your invent and when read tells you that you're great 11:51 that would be complimentary 11:51 it's a pun 11:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dwa Fem Cha), 17295 points, T:519, petrified by Poseidon's curse 11:51 ever played legend of zelda wind waker? 11:51 yeah 11:51 complimentary ID :) 11:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Ana Inc Mal Neu) killed the Lugribossk of Ilsensine, on T:44787 11:52 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) was given Stormbringer, on T:24233 11:52 <@riker> shk service variants should have that 11:53 and it gets more expensive every time you pay for it 11:53 <@riker> if you're hallucinating or something the shopkeeper could offer you a "complimentary identify" instead of IDing your items 11:54 -!- Stellaris has joined #hardfought 11:54 rebatela: http://home.fiq.se/pets.txt fh pet changes 11:55 Hi all 11:55 <@riker> ot 11:55 <@riker> o/ 11:55 fiq: thanks! reading ! 11:55 Quick question: Does the Anacrononaut sacrifice the Annulus at the Lisensine altar or invoke it? Don't want to make a mistake at this point. lol 11:56 in dnethack, of course. 11:56 @Stellaris Invoke it as a chakram 11:56 <@riker> invoke while chakram and select annul 11:57 Your awesome..many thanks. 11:57 <@riker> reminder that that destroys the annulus 11:57 <@riker> also, welcome to IRC 11:57 <@riker> a while ago some of us in the dnh chats were following your inc sam runs, and I remember watching your inc wiz asc 11:58 Yes...that was my first dnethack asc 11:58 what happens if you try to annul another altar 11:58 <@riker> standard annul effect 11:58 which is? 11:58 <@riker> only breaks illsensine high altar 11:58 aw 11:58 back in the day, on usenet there were definitely other people who thought helm of opposite alignment is not a real ascension... i need to find them 11:58 <@riker> super psychic blast, of a sort 11:59 that's boring 11:59