00:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Burglar, on T:39815 00:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:39849 00:21 what's a good wish in splicehack? 00:22 I'm a mage with a cloak of magic resistance and a ring of polymorph 00:23 the usual wishes are good. gae bulg is a very high damage spear 00:24 you can use it in melee, or throw it once, and it will be consumed but kill the target if it hits 00:24 *javelin 00:26 1d4 + level drain 00:26 damage 00:26 also, I'm neutral and it's chaotic 00:26 hrm, maybe it's one of the other Gae that wrecks things 00:28 maybe you're thinking of gungnir, which deal 1d20 electricity damage 00:28 * spicycat shrugs 00:28 probably something boring like speed boots or DSM is best :P 00:28 or you like that gae bulg can be thrown at demogorgon to instakill him 00:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] Starlock (Hea Hum Mal Neu), 296 points, T:829, killed by a jellyfish, while sleeping 00:29 i like emergency buttons! most of the enemies you face are completely pointless and trivial 00:29 let me also check how skilled a wizard can be with spears 00:30 something that Absolutely Will Save Your Bacon Once is way better than some reliable little buff imo 00:30 wizards can be basic, at least in vanilla, with spears 00:31 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Sam Hum Mal Law) destroyed the invisible tinklebear's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:11647 00:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:41707 00:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:41721 00:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:41790 00:35 also, is gae bulg an intelligent artifact? 00:37 [hdf-us] [slex] Starlock (Dru Alc Mal Cha), 165 points, T:436, killed by breaking their legs 00:38 gae bulg is not intelligent so the alignment disadvantage is easier to manage 00:39 unlike stormbringer, which is also a panic button with its invokation ability 00:40 blessed fixed greased +2 gae bulg 00:40 that what it is? 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:41949 00:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:41953 00:42 oh, you're still debating this thing! hi, i was fixing a salad. 00:43 don't grease the weapon, you'll drop it! 00:43 just grease cloaks and body armor 00:43 and am only a minor fan of spl, not an expert. idk why i thought it was high damage, but i still think the throw is a hot option 00:43 except for the grease that looks like a wish to me 00:49 maybe i killed a couple dozen level-drain-able critters real fast and that made the weapon feel strong 00:51 <@riker> gungnir is the one that's a straight upgrade to mjollnir, unless that was changed 00:52 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 01:09 actually, I think I want to wish for filth dragon scale mail in case I have to fight demogorgon 01:09 or juiblex 01:09 or I eat bad food 01:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:43500 01:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:43501 01:15 [hdf-us] [spl] bugsniper (Wiz Mer Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed fixed +2 filth dragon scale mail", on T:1270 01:16 it's great for AC but kinda heavy 01:18 err gross 01:19 the kitten eats the skunk corpse 01:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:43763 01:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law) put Death down for a little nap, on T:43771 01:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:29703 01:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Sam Hum Mal Law), 1887524 points, T:43812, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/aximili/nethack/dumplog/1596691174.nh.html 01:39 <@ShivanHunter> Go team @! 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the Master Assassin, on T:43272 01:54 [hdf-us] [spl] bugsniper (Wiz Mer Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3827 01:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2671 01:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:43323 01:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:3043 02:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 2012 points, T:3308, killed by a fire ant 02:02 <@ShivanHunter> Hypothetically: If I attempt to use a helm of opposite alignment to ascend in Evilhack, can I expect any... shenanigans 02:03 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Wiz Hum Mal Cha), 61149 points, T:25142, killed by a displacer beast 02:03 [hdf-us] [spl] bugsniper (Wiz Mer Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:4659 02:05 <@ShivanHunter> according to the source, yes, apparently there would be shenanigans 02:05 evil patch idea: if you're a skeleton or lich and you keep engraving with -, your finger can become too dull to write with 02:05 <@ShivanHunter> hmm 02:05 <@ShivanHunter> lol 02:06 You begin striking monsters with your cursed -3 bare hands. --More-- 02:14 <@ShivanHunter> wonders if -83 AC is good enough 02:15 That is a lot. :o 02:16 <@ShivanHunter> I could actually get it lower if I gave up GoP for dragonhide gloves but I don't think I'll do that 02:28 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:61285 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:61292 02:29 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) performed the invocation, on T:61308 02:34 [hdf-us] [spl] bugsniper (Wiz Mer Mal Neu) had Circe's Witchstaff bestowed upon him by Thoth, on T:7094 02:34 that doesn't look better than mecigbane, right? 02:42 5% change to turn monsters into a boar 02:44 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Conjurer, on T:3251 02:44 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the high priestess of Moloch, on T:61512 02:45 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) acquired the Amulet of Yendor, on T:61514 02:49 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:55 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 02:56 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) killed the Wizard of Yendor (5 times), on T:61814 02:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Pri Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:1096 02:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Pri Hum Fem Law), 754 points, T:1222, poisoned by an orcish arrow 02:59 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 03:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "blessed spellbook of polymorph", on T:44693 03:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Wiz Hum Fem Cha), 121 points, T:399, killed by a sewer rat 03:04 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed dvorkian's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:4477 03:12 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 03:13 ShivanHunter -83 AC lol 03:13 Yes that is plenty :-) 03:13 <@ShivanHunter> :D 03:14 <@ShivanHunter> I love Evilhack's endgame 03:14 <@ShivanHunter> I'm totally gonna splat but it's awesome 03:14 you must need a lot of ac to survive evilhack 03:14 I am happy when I am at better than -50 03:15 <@ShivanHunter> it's not that you need tons of AC specifically, but every bit helps 03:15 ancient minotaurs etc hit hard 03:17 <@ShivanHunter> lmao this player monster just started zapping a wand of create monster and summoned 2 archons 03:17 <@ShivanHunter> ...and that's why I stocked up on cursed gain level 03:18 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) attained the rank of Thaumaturge, on T:5538 03:23 that's a lot of wands of wishing and amulets of life saving 03:25 <@ShivanHunter> heh 03:25 <@ShivanHunter> the amulets I polypiled for, the wands are slime molds 03:25 oh, I see 03:27 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) entered the Planes, on T:63232 03:28 @ShivianHunter can you not get your con above 12? 03:29 con is capped at 12 03:29 <@ShivanHunter> illithid, yeah 03:29 that it might be 03:29 thought it might be 03:29 <@ShivanHunter> STR is cappe at 10 too but I have GoP 03:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) bribed Asmodeus with 1035 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:46438 03:30 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:33 you're very efficient with those wands of death 03:33 running around stuff to not wait for rodney to come 03:34 <@ShivanHunter> yeah, I try to do the Planes as fast as possible 03:34 <@ShivanHunter> also, portal right by me, w00t :D 03:36 <@ShivanHunter> goddamn 3 archons 03:36 !lotg ShibianHunter 03:36 May the Luck of the Grasshopper be with you always, ShibianHunter! 03:36 <@ShivanHunter> heh 03:36 whoops, but whatever 03:36 <@ShivanHunter> don't like to imagine how that would have gone if I had to get across the whole level 03:37 oh yeah, plane of air is left 03:38 and you have to cross the whole level 03:39 did something just make a wish? 03:39 <@ShivanHunter> did this djinn just quaff a potion and summon another djinn 03:39 <@ShivanHunter> no, it got the "You freed me!" 03:39 <@ShivanHunter> lol 03:39 what a game... 03:39 <@ShivanHunter> :D 03:39 so you have a peaceful genie on the plane of air 03:41 <@ShivanHunter> "The air elemental looks diseased." wat 03:41 <@ShivanHunter> lmao 03:41 eating a locust because of conflict? 03:41 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6710 03:41 <@ShivanHunter> well I'm taming a bunch of them 03:42 <@ShivanHunter> just surprised they can get diseased 03:42 also, you'd think locusts would steal food rather than give food poisoning 03:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:2403 03:45 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 3126 points, T:6935, killed by a jaguar 03:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Juiblex, on T:47766 03:47 shivianhunter, why use black dragons instead of long worms? 03:47 <@ShivanHunter> they'll use their breath attack - and I think worms might have been nerfed? But not sure 03:47 <@ShivanHunter> I'll probably do some worms as well 03:50 black dragons engulf too and have breath attack, better than purple worms 03:50 I see 03:51 <@ShivanHunter> yeah, it used to be pet engulfers instantly killed stuff, but Evil changes that 03:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) bribed Baalzebub with 125 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:48196 03:51 well only if they wear ring of slow digestion 03:51 otherwise instakill 03:52 K2 made it so that more monsters wear a ring of slow digestion on astral 03:52 <@ShivanHunter> ahhh 03:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Filcher, on T:48271 03:53 <@ShivanHunter> I wonder why sometimes, the farlook is like "Death, riding the Pale Horse" and other times it's like "Jabberwock, being ridden" 03:54 <@ShivanHunter> I can see the archangel that's riding the jabberwock (I'm detecting monsters), so it's not a visibility thing 03:55 Yeah there is some kind of bug there 03:56 Often if you save / reload it shows fine again 03:56 (I assume you still have see invisible) 03:56 I wonder if K2 will give some astral monsters black dsm and reflection equipment 03:56 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) put Death down for a little nap, on T:63517 03:57 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha) destroyed the Pale Horse, on T:63526 03:57 <@ShivanHunter> WELP 03:57 <@ShivanHunter> GG NO RE 03:57 ?? 03:57 gratz 03:57 <@ShivanHunter> chaotic first try :D 03:57 WOW 03:57 gratz!! \o/ 03:58 <@ShivanHunter> hmm, wasn't sure I'd brought enough tele wands :/ 03:58 <@ShivanHunter> :P 03:59 how was it compared to the previous version you'd beaten? 03:59 <@ShivanHunter> pretty similar tbh 03:59 <@ShivanHunter> liked the new dungeon branch! 04:00 <@ShivanHunter> I knew not to try and stone anything with a rubber chicken this time... I tried that on Astral before and it did not work at ALL 04:00 <@ShivanHunter> illithid race was great 04:00 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 6321294 points, T:63533, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/S/ShivanHunter/evilhack/dumplog/1596763192.evil.html 04:00 everything in astral is stoning resistant? 04:01 <@ShivanHunter> they cast stone-to-flesh on themselves 04:01 <@ShivanHunter> and it's all delayed stoning 04:01 <@ShivanHunter> so you can't just waltz through like you do in vanilla 04:01 I see 04:02 if ring of slow digestion would turn into a meat ring then maybe your pets could obliterate with you 04:05 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 04:07 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law), 1161 points, T:3064, killed by an elf zombie, while frozen by a monster's gaze 04:07 [hdf-us] [slshm] posix (Wiz Dop Fem Cha), 0 points, T:1, killed by a scroll of genocide 04:09 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 04:09 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 04:10 <@ShivanHunter> huh I just realized - out of the two markers I had that game, I only ever wrote the spellbook of identify 04:11 shivianhunter, did you use conflict anywhere in astral? 04:11 <@ShivanHunter> nope 04:11 stop making evilhack look easy or evil L3 will make it harder 04:12 :P 04:12 <@ShivanHunter> are you SURE you don't want a random elemental plane replaced with the Plane of Archons 04:13 are you sure you don't want a 6th plane of demogorgons? 04:13 <@ShivanHunter> Elemental Plane of Boss Rush, containing every unique enemy in the game 04:14 heh, you can all consider yourself lucky that I'm not the evilhack dev because I would make it harder, and not just a little :P 04:14 <@ShivanHunter> sometimes I think "hey, I should play slex again sometime" and then I think "actually no I shouldn't" :P 04:14 slex has its own endgame 04:14 that I've never seen 04:15 ShivanHunter: aww, why not? did you still not get over your splat to Famine way back in the day? 04:15 <@ShivanHunter> eh I just kinda lost interest I think 04:15 heh, fair 04:15 but you know that if you ever get bored of the other variants, my doors are always open for you <3 04:16 <@ShivanHunter> heh 04:17 LarienTelrunya, what's the nilevation damage type? 04:17 bug_sniper: that's the attack that contracts corona :P 04:17 if you get hit by it, your max HP and Pw can be reduced 04:18 !whereis bugsniper 04:18 LarienTelrunya: bugsniper is not playing. 04:18 sorry for the partial change of subject 04:18 I was just watching shivian so not playing 04:18 ah 04:19 now, I'm in splicehack and my god gave me magicbane and circe's witchstaff 04:19 Amy I got absolutely destroyed in that digging floor 04:20 amateurhour: aww, how did that happen? swarmed by wallwalkers? 04:20 I think something went around digging everything and the hoard got me, and they were all horrifically nasty 04:20 wow 04:20 lots of flayers etc made me forget all my stuff 04:20 used phase door to get away at one point as nearly died 04:21 ...straight into nastytrap 04:21 #quit 04:21 Go Team Nastytrap! 04:21 a xorn room and a mindflayer room on the same level? 04:21 !lastgame amateurhour 04:21 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/evilhack/dumplog/1589035969.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1596999710.slex.txt 04:21 lol @ "The fecal linkman seems to have enjoyed it more than you..." 04:21 I thought you weren't meant to be able to forget scrolls like phase door btw 04:21 hallu monster names in slex can be really weird :D 04:22 nah you can of course forget them like everything else, you just start with them identified (but certain starting roles and races don't) 04:22 the nastytrap would have lasted only for 314 turns in this case 04:23 that's 314 turns too long, my motivation was low at losing identifications and getting destroyed 04:23 :P 04:23 heh 04:24 Yep, that's slex. Like a massive bucket of popcorn and needles. 04:25 feel free to watch the ttyrec to watch it all going wrong Amy 04:26 !ttyrec amateurhour 04:26 not sure if everything was turbonasty because race-x 04:26 but that floor was rather wicked 04:26 caramel, kettle, mango, chili, garlic, and horseradish flavored popcorn are all in the bucket 04:28 how anyone ascends it is still beyond me 04:28 maybe after a certain point it settles down 04:28 requires lots of patience and determination IMHO 04:29 like maybe once you've got decent equipment and ID'd all the good stuff it becomes more straightforward? idk 04:29 watching the ttyrec now 04:29 also yeah eventually your char should become strong enough to be able to handle regular monsters without constantly being in dire peril 04:29 it mostly takes patience, and a bit of luck in avoiding nasty stuff like enemy multishot 04:30 although I'm not sure if that applies when you have to fight demogorgon 04:30 and do the endgame 04:30 heh, Demogorgon isn't that undefeatable in slex 04:31 depends what that endgame is like, can count on one hand the number of people that have seen it 04:31 the player character's power level maxes out quite a bit higher than in vanilla, so a well-equipped char can handle Demo 04:32 ohh I see now in the ttyrec, one of the grues got you with a darkness attack, which makes angel-race player characters semi-blind for a while 04:32 that was when it started 04:33 yeah I'm watching the entirety of that level now 04:34 in such a situation, using a light source will nullify the weak sight effect 04:34 good to know 04:40 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law), 112 points, T:446, killed by a small mimic 04:44 ah, at T:9650 the parasitic mind flayer appears and starts sucking 04:44 this is probably where it starts going downhill 04:46 Congrats shivanhunter if you're still around 04:46 T:9712 "It kicks you! The massive heel hits your optical nerve, and suddenly you can't see a thing." 04:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Hlf Fem Neu), 108047 points, T:9211, killed by a trooper 04:47 <@ShivanHunter> o/ 04:47 <@ShivanHunter> thanks! 04:47 ah, and at 9732 another mind flayer appears 04:47 hmm that one only got off one suck before it died 04:50 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 04:52 <@ShivanHunter> hmm. Is there a way to type-name an item in a chest? 04:52 <@ShivanHunter> this is definitely a loadstone 04:52 <@ShivanHunter> oh nvm 04:52 <@ShivanHunter> forgot about the tip command 04:53 <@ShivanHunter> oh. It's not a loadstone anyway 04:53 alright finished watching. whoa amateurhour I've never seen such a gigantic monster horde on that level 04:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dwa Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1497 04:55 right?! 04:56 it was like I'd kill one and then 5 more would be right there waiting 04:57 -!- bug_sniper has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 04:57 unfortunately the ttyrec can't tell where they all came from 04:57 were there many monsters on the level above that might have fallen through holes? 04:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] drunkmonkey (Val Hum Fem Law), 1190 points, T:2138, killed by a straw golem 05:01 not particularly no 05:01 don't think the floor above was even a soko floor, but could be wrong 05:02 but even if it was the soko zoo wouldn't have had that many things in 05:02 yeah, it's weird... 05:02 that wall-covered level was basically filled with monsters everywhere 05:05 -!- drunkmonkey has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 05:06 never seen it that nasty 05:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:49192 05:07 could be rne related perhaps? 05:07 not sure if that plays a role in monster spawn routines 05:08 usually what happens for me on that floor is that I have to bop a few ghosts then it's relatively clear 05:08 yeah that's what normally happens 05:13 <@ShivanHunter> goddamn useless pseudodragon 05:13 <@ShivanHunter> KILL THE THINGS THAT ARE KILLING ME 05:13 [hdf-us] [evil] ShivanHunter (Wiz Ith Mal Cha), 2433 points, T:3133, killed by a gnomish wizard 05:13 is wizard your favourite then ShivanHunter? 05:13 <@ShivanHunter> that was even the single luckiest game of evilhack I've had 05:13 <@ShivanHunter> magic whistle, good int and tons of books, TWO magic lamps 05:14 not tempted to try the new infidel? 05:14 <@ShivanHunter> I miiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiiight 05:14 <@ShivanHunter> and that rock I thought was a luckstone was actually a luckstone 05:14 <@ShivanHunter> damn 05:14 it happens 05:15 <@ShivanHunter> I wanted an ascension streak :( 05:15 <@ShivanHunter> well that's nethack 05:15 I had a minetown in dnh with 4 magic lamps and a runed candle that I promptly splatted, such regret 05:15 <@ShivanHunter> rip 05:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:49640 05:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:49643 05:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:49651 05:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Rog Hum Mal Cha) killed Yeenoghu, on T:49831 05:40 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 05:46 -!- j6p has joined #hardfought 06:00 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 06:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dwa Mal Cha), 112719 points, T:9176, killed by an air elemental 06:35 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 06:40 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 07:13 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2148 07:15 Maybe the true design goal of slex is "unless you're Amy, you're not supposed to be able to win" 07:16 since every non-amy win is interpreted as the game needing to be made harder because it's obviously too easy 07:16 I know this is gonna make me sounds like I've drank the kool-aid 07:16 but if it was easier to identify items it'd actually be rather playable 07:17 aosdict, XD 07:18 that was the reaction to Tariru winning, I believe 07:18 but I mean, would you want Tariru beating your game aosdict? 07:18 like if Tariru streaked dnh aosdict, how would you feel? 07:19 guessing indifference, xnh is actually a nice time lol 07:19 amateurhour, you're ruining my shtick stop it 07:19 (aosdict devs xnh not dnh) 07:19 :P 07:20 I like how xnh has petless as a conduct 07:20 and conflictless 07:23 me too, though conflictless didn't count for junethack 07:23 which is sadface 07:23 congrats @ShivanHunter 07:23 \o/ 07:24 <@ShivanHunter> conflictless would be one of those like polyselfless that I just do by accident. I never use conflict lol 07:24 <@ShivanHunter> thanks K2! 07:24 <@ShivanHunter> had a great time as always 07:24 me neither usually, I just sort of forget 07:24 <@ShivanHunter> Evilhack's endgame is a blast 07:24 grats ShivanHunter 07:24 weird, i can't enter castle or astral without hoping that i have conflict in my bag 07:25 I tend to rely heavily on conflict and teleport wants 07:25 <@ShivanHunter> teleport wands are my jam 07:25 which means I can ascend without a strong weapon and with AC:-15 07:25 woop 07:26 <@ShivanHunter> tons of monsters get them in Evilhack and I polypile for them too, so I had like three or four dozen on Astral 07:26 The problem with conflictless is that attempting it discourages wear-testing rings 07:26 I guess with price id it's not so bad 07:26 why do you need conflict or tele for the castle out of interest spicycat? 07:26 <@ShivanHunter> yeah I can see how that's an issue 07:26 yeah true 07:27 amateurhour, easier to deal with the mobs? 07:27 you can almost always fight them one at a time anyway without getting zapped 07:28 also, not like this doesn't exist for other conducts. you can't dip-test potions safely if attempting polypiless 07:28 it's just really nice to have conflict on castle, there's so many critters. and i assumehope that a lich under Conflict is less likely to spellcast 07:29 aosdict: regenless! 07:29 aosdict, yup 07:29 best conflict ever: grunthack fort ludios 07:29 this is one of the reasons I often break polypileless in games where I didn't really need to pile 07:30 <@ShivanHunter> I think I have never dip-tested a potion in my entire nethack career (but then I don't often wear-test rings either) 07:30 all you need is a couple soldiers with arrows of detonation 07:30 frag fest 07:30 a conduct for every strong trinsic! reflectionless! speedless! 07:30 You hear the rattle of battle gear being readied. 07:30 MRless 07:30 off to work see you all in a bit, congrats again ShivanHunter! 07:30 <@ShivanHunter> that reminds me of that "true vegan" conduct I dea I had once, which would forbid things like dragon scale mail and unihorns 07:30 cya K2 07:30 aoei: I just made it so the number of items polymorphed shows up in the dumplog 07:31 aosdict, nice 07:31 which lets you distinguish between incidental polypiling and polypilefest games 07:31 @ShivanHunter what's some of your favorite stuff about evil's endgame? 07:31 but the conduct still only counts if done properly right 07:31 still, it is nice having the number 07:31 <@ShivanHunter> definitely that a lot of the super cheap exploits have been nerfed - c corpses being the main thing that comes to mind 07:32 <@ShivanHunter> also that reflection and MR are nerfed, given how OP they are in vanilla 07:32 that's nerfed by proxy in xnh and vanilla now as well, things can zap undead turning at you 07:32 <@ShivanHunter> endgame strategy in vanilla is basically "have reflection and MR and nothing can touch you" 07:34 and below about -15 AC 07:35 @ShivanHunter would true vegan also forbid wearing leather, using leather items (leashes, whips), and reading leather spellbooks? 07:36 <@ShivanHunter> definitely leather armor - some of the others are maybe kind of iffy since it might be bad form to punish players just for not knowing a specific item is made of leather 07:37 <@ShivanHunter> but maybe that's what you'd want, it's all implementation details here 07:37 <@ShivanHunter> the game-changing stuff the idea is based around is stuff like DSM and unihorns 07:38 did you geno alhoons in the end ShivanHunter? 07:38 yeah 07:39 i like the true vegan conduct idea 07:39 <@ShivanHunter> nah, genoless 07:39 nice 07:39 <@ShivanHunter> alhoons weren't actually that bad, I killed a couple of them 07:39 you gonna go for an epic multiconduct run like you'd done for tnnt? 07:39 <@ShivanHunter> I miiiight 07:39 <@ShivanHunter> conducts are fun :D 07:39 no pressure 07:39 * amateurhour pressures you into it 07:39 <@ShivanHunter> hehe 07:40 I like conducts too 07:40 I just stick to the easy ones, weaponless vegan monk, heh 07:40 I have to my knowledge the fastest 7-conduct vanilla ascension :3 07:41 <@ShivanHunter> I like how some of them make you think about trivia you'd otherwise completely ignore, like the "new man" polyself for foodless atheist 07:41 yeah that's a neat trick 07:41 regular old vegan atheist just don't be too slow and starve to death 07:42 my 11k barb was vegan atheist plus a few other easier conducts 07:42 still never tried atheist, seems hard 07:42 for a total of 7 07:42 <@ShivanHunter> on its own atheist is easier than you'd expect, but mix it with something like foodless and it gets nasty 07:42 <@ShivanHunter> I still need to try illiterate sometime 07:42 pets are more fun that conflict 07:43 than* 07:43 have you ever done Zen? 07:43 <@ShivanHunter> nope (well, I scummed that one TNNT thing about getting to the quest leader but that doesn't count) 07:43 yeah atheist isn't that hard a conduct 07:43 I wonder what that newish permahallu is like compared to zen 07:43 hardest conduct game I ever did was probably illit 07:44 alhoons can ruin your day shivanhunter. You were kind of OP 07:44 i ascended an illit wiz years back 07:44 they can make you forget all your spells. That's the most annoying part for me 07:44 <@ShivanHunter> yeah my -83 AC probably was helping a little bit :P 07:44 lol 07:44 right? ;) 07:44 congrats again tho 07:44 <@ShivanHunter> I knew... I think every spell in the game, and all the least useful ones were at the end of the list 07:44 <@ShivanHunter> so I wouldn't have lost anything 07:44 -83 AC wtf 07:44 how is that even possible 07:45 <@ShivanHunter> dragonhide EVERYTHING :D 07:45 evilhack 07:45 ah so there are some benefits to balance out all the evil 07:45 such AC is unheard of in vanilla 07:45 <@ShivanHunter> yeah the object materials patch is cool as hell 07:45 well, maybe there are a few rare examples 07:45 he still could have splatted. it's not like the game becomes easy 07:45 it might not be *unattainable* 07:45 rebatela, yeah fair 07:45 I'm sure at some point he'll nerf it so you can't wish for materials 07:45 <@ShivanHunter> yeah there were a number of times that could have screwed me 07:46 <@ShivanHunter> there were 3 Archons on the plane of fire by the time I got to the portal 07:46 you should try giant, shivanhunter 07:46 DNH and FIQ have some solutions to high AC making you untouchable. DNH has this overcomplicated DR-by-body-slot thing FIQ just makes your damage reduction a random roll 07:46 amateurhour, don't go giving him ideas 07:46 <@ShivanHunter> giant sounds like it could be fun 07:46 spicycat, isn't damage reduction a roll in vanilla already? 07:46 You can still get high AC but have to be more creative. I think my giant had -49 or something 07:46 like for -15 AC you get damage reduction of d15 07:47 or something like that 07:48 I really struggled with giant monk, it's hard to know what equipment to use 07:48 yeah, i think it's a roll for the roll, lol. like roll d15 let's say it rolls 8, then roll the result of that 07:48 spicycat, ahhh ok 07:48 <@ShivanHunter> diceception 07:48 shivanhunter, xD 07:48 aoei there's definitely benefits to balance the evil! And there are player monsters decked out in the same quality gear depending on where you are in the game, which makes it fun 07:48 rebatela, oooh 07:48 sounds scary 07:48 <@ShivanHunter> looove the player monsters 07:48 but then if you kill them you maybe enhance your kit 07:49 well, you get their loot when you kill them 07:49 shivan calls the player monsters "loot pinatas" i think 07:49 <@ShivanHunter> they're excellent loot pinatas but they can do some serious damage too 07:49 <@ShivanHunter> hehe 07:49 for sure 07:49 and then they dig 07:49 <@ShivanHunter> it was quite an experience when I met the first one in this last game, on a level with a massive throne room too 07:49 also wishing for artis can summon one of those, or the quest npc if you wish for a quest one 07:49 i love when they have death wands though (as long reflection hasn't worn off) 07:49 so eyes of the overworld would be an especially bad wish 07:49 I was using the spell that whole game 07:50 amateurhour, oh yeah I heard about that 07:50 I stacked it, but I was afraid it was going to run out in the planes and I wouldn't notice 07:50 that's kind of an awesome change 07:50 who was it you get if you wish for Grays? 07:50 it's a random player monster I think 07:50 right 07:50 <@ShivanHunter> it's a chance, so you might just get the artifact itself 07:51 ^ 07:51 <@ShivanHunter> but in an early Minetown wish, are you really willing to take the gamble? >:) 07:51 definitely 07:51 I'm a k-strategist 07:51 what, you some kinda 'fraidycat 07:51 I'll take the death 07:51 <@ShivanHunter> lol 07:51 wait no k is the other one 07:51 r-strategist 07:51 i always mix those up 07:52 life is cheap 07:52 <@ShivanHunter> I used to be an r-strategist when I started playing nethack, then I stopped fountain quaffing :P 07:52 hah 07:52 I'm not *that* mad 07:55 <@ShivanHunter> Oh I completely forgot, I don't think you were on when I was going through it, K2: I LOVE what you've done with Vlad's place 07:55 <@ShivanHunter> it's like a proper buildup to a boss fight now, and not just a couple tiny levels where things are stashed 07:55 I wish we could speedrun Vlad's by wishing for lifestealer and having him appear 07:55 :P 07:56 <@ShivanHunter> that would be pretty damn cool lol 07:56 hehehe 08:11 <@ShivanHunter> night all o/ 08:12 'night 08:12 !pom 08:12 nabru: The moon is at last quarter; new moon in 7 days. 08:13 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law), 734 points, T:364, killed by a monster (large mind flayer) 08:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dro Fem Cha), 58905 points, T:6388, killed by a soldier 08:14 !lastgame 08:14 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1597057168.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1597057177.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/drunkmonkey/nethack/dumplog/1597048750.nh.html 08:14 !lastgame nabru 08:14 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slex/dumplog/1597019155.slex.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slex/dumplog/1590976383.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/xnethack/dumplog/1595622407.xnh.html 08:19 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Ang Fem Cha), 7605 points, T:2879, quit 08:24 vorpal blade in bones screwing up artifact count, but at least I won't have to worry about a player monster beheading me 08:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dwa Mal Cha), 8216 points, T:600, killed by a master mind flayer, while frozen by a potion 08:26 t:600 master mind flayer, nice 08:28 :Z 08:28 :| 08:29 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Ass Ang Fem Cha), 71 points, T:377, killed by a monster (mosquit) 08:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed dvorkian's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:728 08:34 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:8219 08:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1040 08:36 <@FIQ> Hello 08:36 Hello @FIQ, Welcome to #hardfought 08:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1658 points, T:1302, killed by a killer bee 08:37 heya 08:37 Hi 08:37 Hello nabru, Welcome to #hardfought 08:38 I wonder what this gnome will pay me for vorpal blade 08:38 problem is something will take it from the shop and kill me 08:38 threaten them with beheading until they give you a fair price 08:39 $750 08:39 'are you SURE you want to only offer 750 buckaroos? [ynq] (n)' 08:44 lol found some +10 iron boots in slex 08:45 thanks for the feedback @ShivanHunter, and gnite o/ 08:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1371 08:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 822 points, T:1554, killed by a small mimic 08:50 and I can buy it back at the low low price of 32,000 zorkmids 08:52 <@FIQ> so I "ascended" (won) Pathos 08:52 <@FIQ> that was fun 08:52 <@FIQ> now I should finish fixing menucolors etc for fh 08:54 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Ent Fem Cha), 1307 points, T:1625, killed by strangulation 08:55 gratz! 08:56 <@FIQ> lategame wizards are just as broken as NetHack and polypiling is even more OP 08:57 <@FIQ> Also polymorph+polymorph control is stronger too 08:57 <@FIQ> Having both stops random polymorph but allows you to polymorph at will 08:58 <@FIQ> However, it has a drawback -- you can only polymorph into creatures you've killed 09:00 <@FIQ> Technically I didn't play a wizard, but a "mystic", but still. They trade far less useful starting items and risk to not start with an offensive spell in exchange for guranteed identify spell and a ton of resists while leveling up 09:01 <{Demo}1> hey fiq i was thinking about ur ideas this morning 09:01 <{Demo}1> woke up from a dream where i was playing a valk riding on a horse and i was in the midgame with no reflection or death resistance 09:02 <{Demo}1> and some dumb deminymph zapped me with a wand of death out of nowhere 09:02 <@FIQ> @{Demo}1#0000 which ideas exactly? 09:02 <{Demo}1> but, instead of dying, I got knocked to my knees, lost a few turns, and lost a good bit of max hp (i survived a con roll on actually dying) 09:02 <{Demo}1> anyway, it made me think about player/monster symmetry 09:02 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Jed Ent Fem Cha), 495 points, T:1086, killed by a monster (snake) 09:02 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Mal Cha), 24038 points, T:2182, killed by a hobgoblin, while reading a book 09:02 <@FIQ> That sounds like dnethack monster touch of death 09:02 gas spore explosion in shop run by a giant. not good! 09:03 <{Demo}1> and a good way to flavor forced balances towards the player 09:03 <{Demo}1> some sort of "hero's might" intrinsic that make the player more resilient to certain bullshity deaths that should just outright kill monsters 09:04 <{Demo}1> cause the value of a monster's life will never be symmetric with the value of the player's life 09:04 <@FIQ> @{Demo}1#0000 fiqhack already does that to some extent with the more blatant symmetry problems 09:04 <@FIQ> see: genocide 09:04 sucks. I had to kill the shopkeeper (barely) and now can't pray for water i'd imagine 09:04 <{Demo}1> but yeah if you need a way to flavor it, even as something that can be symmetric and u can give to some boss monsters or whatever, I like the idea of hero's might 09:05 <@FIQ> instead of arbitrarily allowing your own role and race to be genocided, you can always genocide yourself 09:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 2786 points, T:227, killed by a trooper 09:06 <@FIQ> @{Demo}1#0000 players can pray, (most) monsters can't 09:06 <@FIQ> Well, in fiqhack atm, no monster can but I intend to add it to some eventually 09:06 <{Demo}1> they ought to be able to, yeah 09:06 <@FIQ> Player monsters and aligned/high priests 09:06 <{Demo}1> they aren't chosen by their god though the way you are, presumably 09:07 <@FIQ> And the quest priest monsters which are basically high priests by a different name 09:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:31196 09:09 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a wererat, on T:3498 09:09 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) made his first wish - "blessed eye of the aethiopica", on T:5563 09:10 ahhh i'm screwed.. took a chance hoping neferet wouldn't come 09:10 (fountain wish) 09:10 from dipping 09:11 <{Demo}1> uh oh 09:11 i dug down, but now there's no going back. can't get to mines or back to altar 09:11 can't even pray because i'm a murderer 09:12 but she would whoop my ass. and i have no MR 09:12 i was gonna go for PYEC and then just said screw it because i've already seen vorpal blade so that was only guranteed artiwish 09:12 calculated gamble that i lost lol 09:15 rebatela: I don't think the limits on artwishing are the same in evilhack. 09:15 Tangles they are the same as vanilla now. there was a time when it was different 09:16 Ah, ok. I figured you would not let that slide for long. 09:16 But sacs are a lot better for getting artifacts in evil 09:16 there are a handful of artifacts that do not count against you as they are guaranteed to appear in the game 09:16 lol 09:16 @mobileuser 09:17 yeah there was like a week when wishing was awesome in evilhack :) 09:17 heh 09:18 At least your god won't give you a HoOA anymore 09:19 :P 09:19 that's why i sometimes wish for a quest arti before i wish for DSM. some useless crap arti's gonna spawn and i'm gonna feel bad for missing my chance 09:19 The voice of Thoth booms out: "Perhaps thou shouldst consider a career change..." 09:19 lol 09:20 it's not you, it's me, me giving you a nice hat. i'm sure we'll stay in touch. 09:21 <@FIQ> Tangles: hahaha 09:23 <@FIQ> Evil Patch Idea: if you wish for a quest arti and get it, there's a chance your own quest artifact is missing because someone in a different universe wished for it 09:23 <@FIQ> unless you're a Barbarian 09:24 lol, because nobody has ever wished for that! 09:25 Actually I think I did once... 09:25 Was one of those 'must break all conducts' kind of deals for junethack. 09:26 <@FIQ> Heh 09:30 @FIQ that's brilliant 09:30 spicycat: exactly (regarding the artiwishing) 09:30 another player starts a game... 'hey, where'd this artifact come from?' 09:30 even in vanilla, you can come across bones with sting etc 09:33 worst tolkien reference ever 09:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) used a helm to turn chaotic, on T:910 09:36 it's named after the type of pain you feel when seeing it randomly generated 09:37 Well that's a first, in ~25 years of playing. Shrieker actually summoned a purple worm. 09:37 <@FIQ> {Demo}1: speaking of symmetry, eventually (once I figure out how to fix the weird monMR formula) I intend to give players a monMR value 09:37 <@FIQ> So they can make saving throws against the relevant attacks just like monsters can 09:37 lol amateurhour 09:38 <@FIQ> Tangles: rip 09:38 i'm basically always playing weaponless, so even finding vorpal blade (like this game) is a bummer 09:39 grayswandir (which I've found once randomly and once in the PERSESUS STATUE in place of silver saber) is when I say screw the conduct and pick it up 09:39 <@FIQ> Speaking of, wands of digging only works on inorganic material in the real world 09:39 <@FIQ> So it ought not to work while engulfed 09:43 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Ith Mal Cha), 196 points, T:301, killed by a boulder 09:43 wait 09:43 we have wands of digging in the real world? 09:43 nobody told me 09:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) destroyed drunkmonkey's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:691 09:47 my downstairs neighbours are gonna hate me when I get me one of those 09:47 "oh fuck a wasp" *zap* 09:47 <@bubbles> Tangles yay 09:47 <@bubbles> Tangles I remember when that first happened to me 09:47 i still never had it happen 09:48 <@bubbles> Fortunately was playing a rouge and threw a large large large number of daggers at it 09:48 well played 09:51 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu) averted death, on T:6541 09:51 dammit. If i had known that was life saving, maybe I could have fought her 09:52 (probably not) 09:52 would have just died quickly twice 09:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:5049 09:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1818 points, T:1351, killed by a housecat, while dragging an iron ball 09:53 @bubbles I was lucky enough to have found a wand of digging, so I survived! 09:55 fortunately it was not a 'real world' one :) 09:55 <@bubbles> hot diggity 10:01 if only I had an item that let me branchport... I could probably get all jacked up and fight the monster that has the item that would let me branchport and also give me MR that would help me fight the monster that has the item that would give me MR 10:02 meh 10:02 can you cancel her? 10:03 not sure 10:03 [hdf-au] [dnh] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:10181 10:03 has there ever been a serious discussion the cancelling culture in nethack? 10:03 it's level 5 so hopefully when I do go back and die it leaves bones 10:03 bhaak: lulz 10:03 <{Demo}1> cancellation is really good on some monsters 10:04 I think it would make neferet a pushover if she can be cancelled 10:04 what would happen if I go back and die? Will she be there for someone else to fight for the eye? 10:04 (if it leaves bones I mean, obviously) 10:04 idk, if you die I guess we'll find out :P 10:05 that's some pretty evil bones stacking 10:05 stuffing 10:05 whatever it's called 10:05 but a good gift if you're neutral and can somehow get it 10:06 bhaak: foocubi are eventually cancelled for all their transgressions 10:06 haven't you noticed? 10:08 that's what you get for sleeping around with the poor adventurers, interfering with their quest 10:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 443 points, T:689, killed by a rock piercer, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:14 <@bubbles> Rofl bhaak 10:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed greased +3 grey dragon scale mail", on T:405 10:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1331 10:26 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 10:26 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 10:29 lol aosdict :D actually, an Amy win would probably also be interpreted as the game being too easy and needing to be made harder 10:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 814 points, T:3497, killed by a gnome lord, while frozen by a monster's gaze 10:31 @?titanothere 10:31 titanothere (q) | Lvl: 12 | Diff: 13 | Spd: 12 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: sheol gehennom dungeons | AC: 6 | Attacks: 2d8 claw physical | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, herbivore, thick hide, infravisible 10:33 !who 10:33 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] posix [slshm] tinklebear [evil] rebatela [evil] ssnufd [nh370] nabru [nh370] hothraxxa [nh4] Kame [dnh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 10:35 found +10 iron boots earlier Amy 10:35 wow, lucky find 10:35 do you still have them? 10:35 yeah I don't have anything better 10:36 at at work so can't exactly play atm 10:36 but I'm at Ruggo's floor again 10:36 highest randomly generated enchantment I've ever seen in slex was +20 10:36 wtf lol 10:36 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 10:37 yeah, it's like winning the lottery, but at least it's possible at all (at least in theory) to find very highly enchanted gear 10:37 in vanilla the highest that can generate is +5, sadly 10:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:3314 10:38 well, slightly higher if the player's XL is very high (why the hell that has an impact on that I'll never understand) 10:39 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:16570 10:40 my plan is to eventually make it so that highly enchanted gear is more common in Gehennom and other lategame areas, which is not at all inspired by nethack fourk :D 10:40 are you the real Amy? 10:40 because that sounds suspiciously like something which would actually help players 10:40 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Pri Ith Fem Cha), 1535 points, T:2454, killed by an ape 10:41 heh, I didn't say "positively enchanted" :D have fun with the heavily cursed -15 leather armor of premature death! 10:41 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 10:41 <{Demo}1> lol 10:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) endured an absurd aquatic ceremony, and now wields Excalibur, on T:3985 10:44 i found really enchanted I think boots one of my slex games 10:44 -17 or something 10:44 whoa 10:44 i thought it was no big thang 10:44 <{Demo}1> use a wand of reverse enchantment 10:45 oh maybe not that much. I remember it brougth my AC down to -17 10:45 then i died 10:45 <@bubbles> IDEA: saddlebags 10:45 <@bubbles> equip on horse to allow you to #loot it 10:46 i'm gaining new respect for the protection spell in my new non-start-scumming ways 10:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:4516 10:46 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Kni Inc Mal Law), 74 points, T:526, killed by a grid bug 10:48 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Elf Mal Neu), 16879 points, T:9048, killed by an orcish sergeant, while frozen by a potion 10:48 also gaining respect for free action 10:48 <@bubbles> I love protection 10:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:4647 10:48 bubbles: yeah. it helps a TON early game 10:48 didn't help me there, but there wasn't much i could do 10:49 sigh... and we'll never know if neferet carries over to bones 10:51 how do I see the dumplog ? 10:51 !lastgame 10:51 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1597060475.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cookiedough/dnethack/dumplog/1597070703.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/drunkmonkey/nethack/dumplog/1597048750.nh.html 10:51 nvm lol 10:52 You are dead (2nd time!). 11:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Kni Inc Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2203 11:02 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Elf Fem Cha), 548 points, T:814, killed by a gnome 11:03 <@bubbles> kiling a cross-aligned priest is still murder right? 11:03 <@bubbles> rebatela I think even late game it is pretty powerful 11:04 <@bubbles> it's like 14 ac or something? 11:04 Yes. 11:04 damn 11:04 i've hardly ever used it 11:05 K2: there should be another crash dump by Thidwick. 11:05 it's murder, but you won't lose divine protection the way you do if it's your alignment 11:06 ok 11:06 us server correct? 11:08 K2: yes 11:08 i see one but its from aug 3rd 11:09 https://termbin.com/f7vl 11:09 have fun with that one 11:12 that's the old one. 11:12 there should be one from today, which generated this ttyrec https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/T/Thidwick/unnethack/ttyrec/2020-08-10.00:39:45.ttyrec.gz 11:13 there isnt 11:13 #6 0x0000000000000000 in ?? () 11:13 that's the type of line I always dread seeing in a core dump backtrace 11:16 I see a "*** buffer overflow detected ***: /unnethack-6.0.0/unnethack terminated 11:17 in the ttyrec. he's using an 80 columns layout. maybe that be the issue. I'll have to use the fuzzer with a smaller columns size 11:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Axus, on T:9303 11:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Kni Inc Mal Law), 20002 points, T:4437, killed by a dwarf cleric 11:18 <@bubbles> in dnh (sorry for shilling) protection is even stronger as AC is harder to get 11:18 <@bubbles> (since enchantment goes 50% to DR) 11:18 <@bubbles> But later AC is way better than DR 11:19 hmm qt had an evilhack crash back on the 6th and didnt tell me 11:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:18588 11:25 -!- bug_sniper has joined #hardfought 11:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:19094 11:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bar Hum Mal Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1573 11:28 <@bubbles> You see here a bag named The Wallet of Perseus (79996 zorkmids). 11:28 <@bubbles> hello 11:28 Hello @bubbles, Welcome to #hardfought 11:29 @Bubbles shop artifacts are there to be stolen 11:29 not to be bought 11:29 !who 11:29 bug_sniper: [hdf-us] rebatela [evil] tinklebear [evil] dgoddard [nh370] davez [nh370] ssnufd [nh370] hothraxxa [nh4] Jordin [slex] Kame [dnh] Alasnuyo [dnh] groovejumper [fh] every1 [xnh] | [hdf-eu] microlance [dnh] Cookiedough [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 11:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Oona, on T:10131 11:31 K2: could you restore Thidwick's last save before the crash? he was on turn 74195 in that one 11:33 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 11:34 yup one sec 11:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bar Hum Mal Neu) was given Cleaver, on T:2622 11:35 <@bubbles> bug_sniper 100% 11:35 <@bubbles> unless you are lawful 11:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 godhands", on T:10353 11:39 The cockatrice touches you! You hear a cough from the cockatrice! 11:39 I cancelled that cockatrice 11:40 !tell jonadab why does 4k not have enhanced watchmode? 11:40 jonadab shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, FIQ. 11:40 even nh4 has that, so it's hardly fh-exclusive 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2341 11:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bar Hum Mal Neu) was given Frost Brand, on T:3477 11:42 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed nabru's ghost, the former Skirmisher, on T:2384 11:43 bhaak: Cannot open level 0 for 5Thidwick. 11:43 5Thidwick.0 is missing 11:43 i cant recover from the crash, i'll have to restore from the latest save 11:45 game is restored 11:45 where is Thiswick, why arent they here asking for a game recover? :) 11:45 Thidwick 11:45 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 36958 points, T:3840, killed by a white unicorn 11:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:11207 11:56 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Mal Cha), 1559 points, T:2791, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted rope golem 11:57 is there a way to access techniques without using the extended command? 11:58 with key rebinding (which is in slex) it's possible, not sure if any other variant that has techniques supports that 11:59 playing lawful giant monk.. I guess the only way to get mr before the quest is amulet of mr? 11:59 magic mirror doesn't give it anymore 11:59 lawful needs a cool artifact... 12:00 chaotic has that ring 12:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:44905 12:00 or is it intentional? Like lawful is supposed to be harder and nothing fun to wish for ? 12:01 hahaha vampire cartomancer 12:01 good joke 12:01 half of the corpses turn into cards to summon tame monsters 12:01 as if vampires didn't have enough food problems 12:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) performed his first genocide (disenchanters), on T:3877 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:22274 12:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bar Hum Mal Neu) was given Giantslayer, on T:8150 12:06 nice the general store shopkeep is a giant 12:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:4537 12:07 everything should be free 12:07 ha! it almost is 12:07 K2: can you spectate my game? 12:07 look at the msglog 12:07 something weird happened 12:08 ok 12:08 above the version message 12:08 "Jsqd}y2fkz)z`fd)kj^?4kwcx}l|a*rl~ldqz>%ha}2hcsaf%kxz}%gubw%~|l^?%i{gtpyqm<" 12:08 <@riker> mood 12:08 i see it 12:09 how did the tips file become empty... 12:09 <{Demo}1> tipsy 12:09 * FIQ slaps {Demo}1 around a bit with a large FIQ-bot 12:09 hmm its not empty 12:10 it worked fine in 0.6.4 12:10 I quit that game since it was out of date 12:11 never seen that before 12:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bar Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:8822 12:11 splicehack hasnt been updated since right before junethack, no one complained about it then 12:11 wtf did you do FIQ 12:12 K2: you're lying 12:12 nerp 12:12 splicehack was last updated on june 11th 12:12 which is not before junethack :) 12:12 on the server 12:12 fair enough 12:12 but yeah idk 12:12 i dont care about whats on github, its whats on server that counts 12:12 <{Demo}1> wait that is the version with bugs that I dropped then 12:13 well 12:13 I left and started again 12:13 that worked 12:13 stop trying to haxor splicehack FIQ 12:14 K2: sorry I was trying to reproduce it 12:14 <{Demo}1> no reproducing on k2's server, there might be kids watching 12:14 <@riker> ^ 12:15 * FIQ slaps {Demo}1 around a bit with a large FIQ-bot... again! 12:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:9760 12:18 [hdf-eu] [spl] FIQ (Car Vam Mal Cha), 411 points, T:583, killed by a rabid rat 12:20 tips are boring, using true rumors is where it's at 12:21 <{Demo}1> why not have a list of rhyming couplets related to the game and drop those on enter 12:22 I dipped a fountain and saw a snake / now please come and attend my wake 12:23 hmmm 12:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) became literate by engraving "Elbereth", on T:3188 12:24 it would be interesting if monsters on mounts turned themselves -- but not the mount -- invisible 12:24 so you see a horse on the dungeon, figure it's harmless enough 12:24 that happens 12:24 except suddenly there's an elf-lord on the horse out to get you 12:25 [hdf-us] [ndnh] bagun (Pir Hum Mal Neu) killed the Archipelago Ancient, on T:4930 12:27 how do wizards carry all their heavy books? 12:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:13098 12:28 They don't. 12:29 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) received Excalibur from a strange woman laying about in a pond, on T:2151 12:30 <@riker> find a nice corner to abandon them in 12:30 <@riker> I use soko often 12:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:7448 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:7599 12:32 K2: he mailed me but I tell him again that he can get a restore from you :-) 12:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:7603 12:33 K2: thanks 12:35 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:52855 12:35 i keep getting mines flayers! 12:36 this new to 0.6? ;) 12:37 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 12:38 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) polymorphed his first object, on T:6920 12:38 no 12:38 bhaak no prob 12:38 aosdict had something similar from a player recently (xnethack) 12:45 EPI: filler levels in the main dungeon should have a random h. 12:45 jonadab: Message from FIQ at 2020-08-10 11:40 EDT: why does 4k not have enhanced watchmode? 12:45 <@bubbles> that was an extremeley badly executed heist 12:47 Also, YASI: leprechauns should be moved to green capital L, to free up lowercase l for lizards. Of course, in accordance with this, leprechaun halls are now stocked with monsters from mlet L. 12:47 Nothing can go wrong. 12:49 ha 12:49 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 12:49 I considered changing covetousness again in fiqhack 12:49 to once again allow infinite use of it 12:49 but to make it so that the only thing covetousness does is cause you to warp as close to the object you covet as possible 12:50 no more warping to upstairs 12:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) read the necronomicon for the first time, on T:14844 12:51 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 12:51 if you want to get away, Mr. Lich, you have to use your legs 12:51 no laziness allowed 12:52 I'äd be willing to give Rodney teleportitis+teleport control so he can still do his usual shenanigans 12:52 but it'd only work in areas allowing teleportation anyway 12:52 and the Amulet, if he stole it, would prevent him from being able to teleport 12:52 just like for players 12:53 sounds fair 12:53 *I'd 12:53 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:28362 12:53 I have no problem leaving Rodney as is. 12:53 But yes, all those random other covetous monsters, should not be like that. 12:53 what do liches covet that means they warp to you? 12:54 pre-amulet 12:54 book of the dead 12:54 pre-botd 12:54 they don't cover the Amulet at all 12:54 only the book 12:54 amateurhour: in that case they would simply not warp 12:54 <{Demo}1> ??? 12:54 <{Demo}1> why would you fix covetous behavior? 12:54 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:28443 12:54 THey would still be dangerous. Among other things, they are still summoners. 12:54 <{Demo}1> the fact that covetous behavior is still broken in vanilla is funny 12:55 vampire mages are infamous in variants that have them specifically for this reason 12:55 EPI: when liches warp to the upstair, they can still summon monsters even when being very far away and the summoned monsters still appear right next to you because harharhar. 12:55 delet this 12:55 they will gleefully summon an army but they *aren't* covetous 12:55 so they end up surrounded by allies 12:55 LarienTelrunya: they can do that in fiqhack iirc 12:56 if they have detect monsters 12:56 or telepathy 12:56 lol really? 12:56 do not add to slex 12:56 of course, you can do it too 12:56 they can be 50 squares away and still summon crap next to you? 12:56 remove idea from brain 12:56 delet 12:56 nah 12:56 there's a limit 12:56 but they don't need to see you 12:56 only sense you 12:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) consulted the Oracle, on T:7111 12:56 LarienTelrunya: in fiqhack, I changed create monster to summon monster instead 12:57 which summons allied, temporary, monsters at a specified location 12:57 yeah I know about that 12:57 LarienTelrunya: slex should have a spell, "summon hordes of hordes", that just fills the entire level with monsters from the nasty list. 12:57 lol jonadab :D well there is a certain trap that summons a monster on every free square of the current level, and those monsters are themed; if you're unlucky, they can e.g. all be random L 12:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Rogue, on T:3991 12:57 Also, it should go ahead and summon a monster at every position, even if there's already something there, like an existing monster, the player, a wall, etc. 12:58 perhaps that's what happened for me in that recent game then 12:58 random n sounds worse 12:58 I assume there's already a "horde summoner" monster in slex 12:58 aosdict: even slash'em has that 12:58 which just casts summon horde forever 12:58 wand of horde 12:58 Evil Patch Idea: lichnymphs. 12:58 FIQ: no, like a specific monster with a summon horde attack 12:59 pathos is chock full of summoners 12:59 all the various "king" monsters can summon minions 12:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Axus, on T:14245 12:59 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 12:59 gnome kings can summon gnome lords, etc 13:00 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Sir Garland, on T:29123 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:7493 13:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:7493 13:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed mask of marilith", on T:15172 13:01 Orc kings can summon Orc lords, and orc lords can summon orc chieftans, and orc chieftans can summon orc war leaders, and orc war leaders can summon orc warriors, and orc warriors can summon orc shock troops, and orc shock troops can summon goblin rabble? 13:01 EPI: ^ 13:01 shock troops 13:01 sounds like stormtroopers 13:02 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:4033 13:02 I mean, this is NetHack, so you just know that shock troops would have shock attacks. 13:02 Because of course they would. 13:03 *Obviously* they would explode all your rings and wands. 13:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "3 blessed greased scrolls of charging", on T:11236 13:03 YAY 13:04 dammit jonadab now I need to go over all those monster names and implement all the ones not existing in slex yet :P 13:04 Yes, clearly that is a high priority use of your time. 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased rustproof +3 gauntlets of power", on T:11357 13:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased rustproof fireproof +3 speed boots", on T:11365 13:05 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bar Hum Mal Neu) killed Oona, on T:14796 13:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed greased rustproof ring of levitation", on T:11374 13:06 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a basilisk, on T:4143 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:4339 13:07 [hdf-us] [nh4] hothraxxa (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 42174 points, T:7738, killed by a lynx 13:07 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bar Hum Mal Neu), 476383 points, T:14916, killed by a warden tree 13:07 <@bubbles> :-=( 13:07 <@bubbles> Dead to a tree 13:08 ^ {Demo}1 13:08 and you laugh at farm implements 13:09 <{Demo}1> doesn't matter 13:09 <{Demo}1> those r 28 speed 13:09 <{Demo}1> they are fixed in devel at 18 13:09 <{Demo}1> also, not sure if they even get the bonus 13:09 <{Demo}1> also, a 2x dmg d2 base dmg item sucks 13:10 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 13:13 LarienTelrunya: lupine squire, gnoll mounted archer, lizardfolk warlock, gnome squire, lupine berzerker, swampfolk fighter, troll archer, lupine death magic user, gnoll squire, troll fighter, dragonkin martial arts fighter, lupine warlock, gnoll berzerker, gnoll brawler, dragonkin war leader, swampfolk squire, gnoll tracker, lupine fighter, dragonkin tracker, swampfolk war leader, kobold martial arts 13:13 fighter, swampfolk hunter, gnoll hunter, kobold brawler, swampfolk tracker, swampfolk berzerker, kobold berzerker, lizardfolk hunter, gnome martial arts fighter, troll mounted archer, dragonkin archer, gnome hunter, lizardfolk berzerker, gnoll death magic user, lupine archer, gnome mounted archer, troll berzerker, kobold tracker, troll squire, swampfolk warlock, lizardfolk archer, ogre squire, ogre 13:13 archer, gnome tracker, kobold hunter, kobold war leader, troll hunter, ogre berzerker, lupine war leader, gnome war leader, dragonkin warlock, troll death magic user, lizardfolk tracker, gnome archer, ogre hunter, lizardfolk martial arts fighter, troll martial arts fighter, dragonkin hunter, gnome brawler, swampfolk archer, lizardfolk brawler, ogre fighter, troll war leader, dragonkin mounted archer, 13:14 swampfolk brawler, swampfolk death magic user, troll warlock, gnome fighter, lupine tracker, lizardfolk fighter, ogre war leader, gnome death magic user, dragonkin berzerker, gnoll warlock, dragonkin death magic user, lupine martial arts fighter, kobold warlock, kobold fighter, gnoll fighter, lizardfolk death magic user, lupine mounted archer, lupine brawler, ogre death magic user, gnome berzerker, 13:14 kobold death magic user, dragonkin squire, ogre warlock, ogre mounted archer, gnoll archer, ogre brawler, gnome warlock, gnoll war leader, ogre martial arts fighter, troll tracker, kobold mounted archer, lupine hunter, ogre tracker, kobold archer, lizardfolk war leader, troll brawler, dragonkin brawler, gnoll martial arts fighter, swampfolk mounted archer, kobold squire, lizardfolk squire, dragonkin 13:14 fighter, swampfolk martial arts fighter, lizardfolk mounted archer 13:14 ever heard of pastebin 13:14 Heh. Sorry, that turned out to be more lines than I realized when IRC split it. 13:14 oh my god don't get yourself banned from flood protection :P also, that's just copypasting 5 different titles to 50 different races? 13:15 Only eight races. 13:15 But I'm sure you could expand the list to fifty. 13:15 lol 13:16 YASI: implement all the Dwarf Fortress races. 13:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) was given their Quest, on T:15474 13:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:7770 13:20 -!- rebatela has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:20 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 13:20 heh, I am theoretically planning to implement monsters from dwarf fortress (and also from DCSS) at some point in the future 13:21 i looked over at the screen and all of irc had turned orange 13:23 LarienTelrunya: FR: orbs of fire 13:23 what do they do? explode? 13:24 they malmutate you and cast fire balls and bolts for huge damage 13:24 Malmutate, ludicrous amounts of fire damage, good AC and EV, immune to nearly all elemental damage 13:24 lol, sounds like a fun enemy to deal with 13:24 malwhatnow 13:25 "The orb of fire gazes at you. Your legs are twisted! [Speed -5]" 13:25 "The orb of fire gazes at you. Your skin becomes sheer. [Vulnerability to cold]" 13:25 They're the nastiest non-unique monster in the game, more or less. 13:25 at least that's how mutation gazes work in elona, so I guess in DCSS it's a bit similar? 13:26 are we trying to make slex unplayable 13:26 Pretty well that, yes :-) 13:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:12977 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:5080 13:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 2421 points, T:5111, killed by an ape 13:32 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law) killed Leo, on T:3794 13:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 33130 points, T:3267, killed by a giant ant 13:33 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law) killed his will to live whilst playing slex, on T:3795 13:33 lol K2 13:33 WHILST 13:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Lich, the Fiend of Earth, on T:30774 13:34 is that olde english? 13:34 no 13:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the Nightmare, on T:30813 13:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:9631 13:38 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law), 52992 points, T:4569, killed by a monster (snore spore), while paralyzed by a monster's passive attack 13:39 it's current english 13:39 wait who is leo and when did I kill him 13:39 @le?leo 13:39 Leo (G) | Lvl: 4 | Diff: 9 | Spd: 10 | Res: disintegrate petrification | Confers: nothing | MR: 5 | Generates: unique | AC: 9 | Attacks: 2d4 weapon blind, 2d4 kick physical | Alignment: 15 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker 13:39 just a randomly spawned boss who is actually rather insignificant 13:40 that death was me just hitting a snore spore over and over till I died 13:40 thought it would die first then I was paralysed for a long time 13:40 @le?snore spore 13:40 snore spore (F) | Lvl: 23 | Diff: 26 | Spd: 7 | Res: sleep | Confers: sleep | MR: 15 | Generates: special | AC: 5 | Attacks: 2d6 passive dream-eating, 2d6 touch dream-eating, 2d8 non-contacting-beam sleep, 1d5 passive paralyze | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, phases, breathless, mindless, vegan 13:40 level 23 tf 13:40 heh, monsters with passive attacks can really hammer an angel-race player char 13:40 [hdf-us] [slex] Jordin (Ast Ali Mal Cha), 7254 points, T:7, killed by a shotgun shell 13:41 I thought it was just a little fun guy 13:41 yeah OOD monsters are possible in slex, or it might also have been a polymorphed monster 13:42 turn 7 shotgun shell death 13:42 !lastgame jordin 13:42 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/J/Jordin/slex/dumplog/1597077539.slex.txt 13:42 oh, he spawned in a shop and somehow thought it was a good idea to attack the shk 13:44 how good are astronauts? 13:44 better than angel? 13:44 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Kary, the Fiend of Fire, on T:31581 13:44 uhh you're comparing roles with races :D astronauts are meant to be a lategame powerhouse, although the ones I played didn't work out that well 13:44 oh whoops yeah my bad 13:44 also the astronaut quest currently has a bugged monster that deals way more damage than it should; fixed in devel 13:45 looked at the wrong wiki page without realising 13:45 I'd be interested in a 'slex race tier list' if you've ever made one 13:45 well I did once but that one is very outdated 13:45 it'd probably be interesting enough anyway 13:46 <{Demo}1> astro-naut-real (space is fake(in nethack)) 13:46 idea: you could just roll a completely random character and try to get as far as you can with whatever it turns out to be :) that's always a fun way of playing slex 13:46 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Kraken, the Fiend of Water, on T:32089 13:46 well I could do that, or I could try something strong and good and get at least a little far 13:47 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 13:47 maybe you randomly roll something that happens to be strong and good, possibly even a combo that I didn't expect to be strong? 13:47 or I could start as something with no limbs and a loadstone 13:47 lol 13:47 <{Demo}1> you can also always cut ur nails and eat the clippings, it might be fun, you don't know if u don't try 13:48 what if u get lucky and gain superpowered 13:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:9833 13:48 <{Demo}1> exactly 13:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Tiamat, the Fiend of Wind, on T:32133 13:48 ?balrog 13:48 @?balrog 13:48 balrog (&) | Lvl: 16 | Diff: 20 | Spd: 5 | Res: fire poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 75 | Generates: sheol gehennom | AC: -2 | Attacks: 8d4 weapon physical, 4d6 weapon physical | Alignment: -14 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, demon, stalker, infravisible 13:48 You are a lawful female sokosolver peacemaker Bard. 13:49 wow it even rolled a hybrid race? 13:49 is it not meant to? 13:49 or is it because you still have that in your rc 13:49 <{Demo}1> might actually do a yolo open minded slashem run 13:49 well it can randomly (10% or so chance) roll a hybrid race 13:49 <{Demo}1> wrong answer, meant slex, not slashem ,srroy slashem 13:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Garland, on T:32184 13:50 idk amy, I just pressed y on letting it decide 13:50 heh, bard is meant to be rather sucky, but maybe you can actually make it work? 13:50 I do have sokosolver in rc 13:50 but also have !hybridrace or whatever in there too 13:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:17712 13:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Warrior, on T:14892 13:55 well I guess then you always have sokosolver and no other hybrids, at least if it works as intended 13:55 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Chaos, on T:32254 13:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:15291 13:55 'bout time 13:56 is the rc file meant to affect the totally random selection Amy? 13:57 yeah, so that players who want to get e.g. a specific hybrid, or no hybrids at all, have a chance of doing so 13:57 then how did I get peacemaker? 13:58 oh that's the actual race 13:58 is the basic race, sokosolver is your hybrid 13:58 gotcha 13:58 thought for a second I was human as race 14:01 Ye be a khaotic male sokosolver bossrusher Korsair. 14:01 did the bard die or did you just quit? 14:01 I just quit, was trying to run from a gregnome or whatever and got pinned 14:02 sleep spell didn't work on them 14:02 ah 14:02 korsair is solid, I ascended one back in the day 14:02 and bossrusher means every new dungeon level will have a random boss monster, which can be interesting :D 14:03 everything has whacky names 14:04 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 14:04 @?lord surtur 14:04 Lord Surtur (H) | Lvl: 15 | Diff: 19 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire petrification | Confers: fire | MR: 50 | Generates: unique | AC: 2 | Attacks: 2d10 weapon physical, 2d10 weapon physical, 2d6 claw amulet steal | Alignment: 12 | Flags: omnivore, nopoly, stalker, covetous, infravisible 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) entered the Bigroom, on T:11735 14:04 yeah that's pirate speak 14:04 wtf I have great starting stats 14:04 is that the role or the race causing that? 14:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:16378 14:06 looking at the source, you probably just got a very lucky random roll 14:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:16383 14:14 ah, the C for invent items gets turned into K as well 14:14 that's annoying 14:14 yeah, korsairs are like that ;) 14:17 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:22 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +5 quicksilver", on T:18077 14:25 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Kor Bos Mal Cha) killed Yumi Saotome, on T:2516 14:26 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Kor Bos Mal Cha) killed the Aobe, on T:2635 14:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Arc Hum Mal Neu) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3407 14:30 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Kor Bos Mal Cha) killed Lily, on T:3206 14:34 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Kor Bos Mal Cha) killed the Great High Shaman of Kurtulmak, on T:3565 14:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:18075 14:34 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Kor Bos Mal Cha) killed any last vestige of credibility from playing slex, on T:3566 14:34 lol 14:34 ^ no doggo hats either 14:34 :P 14:35 there's no need for cute lil bobble hats for doggos in slex 14:35 heh 14:35 <@bubbles> YES THERE IS 14:35 <@bubbles> doggo hats now 14:36 https://i.pinimg.com/736x/9e/6c/b4/9e6cb4d4d1cf31f7d55e50863dedf00d.jpg 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "blessed magic marker", on T:18451 14:40 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:18452 14:40 <@bubbles> thanks 14:40 <@bubbles> doggo hats received 14:42 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Kor Bos Mal Cha) killed the invisible Linus the Cat, on T:4370 14:43 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Kor Bos Mal Cha) killed Dango San-kyodai, on T:4435 14:45 what?! are we getting doggo hats? 14:45 oh... 14:48 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Kor Bos Mal Cha), 17293 points, T:4912, killed by a monster (plains centaur), while praying unsuccessfully 14:48 <{Demo}1> plain and simple :( 14:48 hah 14:48 now soko erosator rogue, which apparently means all items will be eroded 14:49 erosator? 14:49 <{Demo}1> a better death would have been to die to a monster like cybrack the crucifier 14:49 is that a real thing? 14:49 @le?cybrack the crucifier 14:49 No such monster. 14:49 <{Demo}1> not yet but now Amy will add it 14:49 lol 14:50 erosator sounded like something sexy but everything's just rotten or burnt 14:51 rotted violet gem 14:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:9530 14:57 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:19545 14:58 [hdf-us] [evil] tinklebear (Kni Hum Fem Law), 15175 points, T:7065, killed by a soldier ant, while jumping around 14:58 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Aug Dol Mal Neu), 138 points, T:412, killed by a monster (round tuit) 15:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha) averted death, on T:19679 15:01 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Elf Fem Cha), 1102800 points, T:19680, killed while stuck in creature form 15:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a pair of jungle boots entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:10135 15:05 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 15:05 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 15:07 -!- aoei has quit [Client Quit] 15:07 whoever made the variant graph ( https://nethackwiki.com/mediawiki/images/5/5a/VariantHistoryGraph.jpg ): nethack 4.2 (not 4.3) is missing a gray arrow to dynahack 15:08 ^ aosdict 15:08 Eww, 4.2 15:08 I remember 4.2 15:08 because for a period, dynahack took a lot of improvements nethack4 did to the nitrohack codebase 15:09 jonadab: dynahack is infamous for its save problems 15:09 inherited from 4.2 15:09 Yes, the 4.2 save system was perpetually buggy. 15:09 not 4.1 which uses nitrohack's save system 15:09 Though there were other problems with 4.2 as well. 15:09 in fact I'd argue that NitroHack's save system is *less* buggy 15:09 Less buggy than 4.2, maybe. 15:10 But not so much less buggy that it should've been kept. 15:10 it is completely unworkable for a game that is actively developed 15:10 because the slighest change causes desyncs 15:10 And yes, that is the other issue with it. 15:10 but in a stable codebase 15:10 the nitrohack save system is fine 15:11 in fact I think the save system itself doesn't actually contain any bugs per se -- I managed to ascend a game just fine with it, and the game is 100% stable save system-wise 15:11 however, the critical issue is that it's missing needed scoreboard data 15:12 and possibly other things 15:12 sounds like you want to fix it FIQ 15:12 <{Demo}1> FIQX it 15:12 K2: let me put it this way 15:12 lol 15:12 I'd rather work on the 4.1 save system 15:12 than the 4.2 one 15:13 at least the 4.1 save system is dead simple 15:14 I think that in theory, rolling dynahack back to the 4.1 save system and add some kind of desync detector to it, might actually makes saves much more stable 15:14 the reason I'm reluctant to do this is -- nitrohack was infamous for eating people's saves 15:14 and I don't think "it works for me" is a good argument 15:14 then just rebase it onto fiqhack 15:14 when trying to justify to people why their saves broke 15:15 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 15:17 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] vimla (Tou Inc Fem Neu), 58943 points, T:6096, killed by a gas cloud 15:20 Yes, rebase DynaHack onto FIQHack. 15:21 That would put it on the 4.3 save system, where the worst problems are "oh, certain operations are slow". 15:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:21572 15:21 (And didn't FH do something about some of that?) 15:22 the 4.3 problems mostly stem from its replaymode 15:22 -!- raisse has quit [Client Quit] 15:22 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 15:22 it has other issues but those are minor trivialities 15:22 I did actually fix replaymode in fiqhack... for a time 15:22 the problem is that, for whatever reason, 4.3 doesn't actually commit option changes to the savefile at all 15:22 so you have to rely on diffs for that 15:23 which breaks the entire thing apart 15:23 I tried to fix this but in the process all I managed to do was to break replaymode 15:23 so atm fh's replaymode is pretty much broken 15:23 i had a hell of a time trying to change my packorder, i never think of it while i'm at the main menu 15:23 (in 4k/fh) 15:24 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 30063 points, T:1918, killed by a gnome queen 15:24 seems like you're just stuck with it once you're in game? pretty sure i gave up 15:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was given Mjollnir, on T:2625 15:24 (the reason relying on diffs break things is that, for whatever reason, you can NOT take a save state in the middle of 2 complete save dumps and then suddenly start using diffs -- the save system gets confused about checksums) 15:24 I asked ais523 about this once and didn't really get a straight answer 15:24 I showed him the issue by showing that autopickup didn't actually create identical diffs if toggled back and forth twice 15:25 which it ought to do 15:25 his response boiled down to "huh, that's we ird" 15:25 *weird 15:25 But yeah this is the only real problem with 4.3's save system 15:25 ais253 is now that old mage in the hut, singing over a kettle, responding to everything with "that's nice dear" 15:26 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 589 points, T:2195, withered away 15:26 FIQ: Also, when are you going to step in and write libuncursed2? 15:26 why would I do that 15:26 I don't know TERM stuff 15:26 I'll leave that to ais523 15:26 jonadab let him rebase dynahack first 15:26 But you could *learn* the term stuff faster than getting him to get around to doing it. 15:26 baby steps 15:26 do y'all have the ability to fix the NH4 thing where it requires confirmation to enter water while wearing ww boots? 15:27 jonadab: in fact I had no hope of ever seeing a libuncursed2, to the point where I actually ended up porting the NH3 curses interface to libuncursed1 15:27 but I never finished the prot because there were bizarre problems with it 15:27 https://github.com/NHTangles/nethack4/issues/1 15:27 spicycat: Fourk fixed that. 15:27 that I never got around to fixing 15:27 fiqhack fixes that too 15:27 spicycat: Still needs confirmation if they aren't identified; but walking on water identifies your ww boots, so you only have to confirm once. 15:27 right, it's not a problem in "and friends", but i played NH4 during the tourney and it was pretty pesky 15:28 jonadab: did you see my question above about watchmode 15:28 you ignored the question twice D: 15:28 FIQ: That's not something I intend to expend effort on prior to rebase. 15:28 rebase? 15:28 At some point I want to rebase Fourk on FIQHack. 15:28 you should rebase dynahack on FIQHack instead 15:28 :P 15:29 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 15:29 I take no responsibility for DynaHack. 15:29 But yes, I still would like to do FourQ at some point. 15:29 I wish I could say the same 15:29 after having fought the 4.2 save system 15:29 severla times 15:29 *several 15:30 jonadab: you know the thing where nitrohack would write options to arbitrary locations such as the middle of a save file? 15:30 fun fact: that's not a nitrohack problem at all, but a 4.2-save problem 15:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 Tie-Dye Shirt of Shambhala", on T:33790 15:30 because after not having seen it for years and concluding it a myth 15:30 I finally saw it in action once 15:31 on @luxidream 's save(s) 15:31 which somehow caused dynahack to *eat every single save* he had 15:31 Yes, I want nothing to do with the 4.2 save system. 15:31 I _remember_ 4.2, as a player. Do Not Want. 15:31 and the one save I had of the debacle, when I tried to debug it, produced the very issue ais523 was talking about 15:32 in that it was writing options to the middle of a filee 15:32 and then complaining about unexpected lines in the save 15:32 like no shit, you just wrote them 15:32 YASI: backport the FIQHack save system to 4.2 15:32 jonadab: in the beginning, 4.3 was horrible too 15:33 I remember playing on N4O once when 4.3 was still somewhat new 15:33 4.3 got better. 15:33 it was painful 15:33 when I was on astral 15:33 the game took a full minute 15:33 to load 15:33 @?asmodeus 15:33 Asmodeus (&) | Lvl: 105 | Diff: 53 | Spd: 12 | Res: fire cold poison drain | Confers: nothing | MR: 90 | Generates: unique | AC: -7 | Attacks: 4d4 claw physical, 6d6 cast cold | Alignment: 20 | Flags: flies, seeinvis, poisonous, nopoly, demon, stalker, covetous, infravisible 15:33 you cna still see this kind of shit, but it's thankfully limited to replaymodd 15:33 *replaymode 15:33 *can 15:34 FIQ: Getting things working correctly first, and *then* doing performance optimizations, is actually the correct way to do things. 15:34 of course 15:34 Doing things the other way around leads to much sorrow. 15:34 just saying that as an end user, it was not a very fun time 15:38 [hdf-us] [xnh] every1 (Ran Gno Fem Neu) attained the rank of Arbalester, on T:53483 15:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was given the Grandmaster's Robe, on T:8691 15:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 53371 points, T:12455, killed by the wrath of Shan Lai Ching 15:39 !who 15:39 K2: [hdf-us] bagun [ndnh] tinklebear [evil] post163 [nh370] nabru [nh370] Kame [dnh] Alasnuyo [dnh] groovejumper [fh] every1 [xnh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] mightyquinn [evil] amateurhour [slex] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 15:40 "You yank the mithril broad pick from the dwarf's hands!" that is the first time I've actually used a whip this way 15:40 heh 15:40 first time for everything 15:40 evilhack makes you try desperate things ;-) 15:41 FIQ: I added the gray arrow. you'll see it in february 15:41 mithril broad pick is MINE!! 15:41 BTW why don't Arcs recognize mattocks... 15:42 YANI ^ 15:42 good question 15:42 easy to add that 15:43 YANI: Inferno Adze, artifact mattock with fire damage 15:44 cheeky little rs reference 15:44 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:9294 15:44 rs? runescape? 15:45 xNetHack updated (all servers) 15:45 SpliceHack updated (all servers) 15:47 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 15:47 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 15:47 yeah 15:47 !!! 15:47 AntiGulp: Messages from aosdict and bug_sniper have been forwarded to you privately. 15:47 Why did you update splicehack 15:47 uh oh K2's in trouble 15:47 K2 isn’t in trouble, but everyone who happened to be playing splicehack sure is 15:47 because master branch has the magic marker charges fix 15:47 noone was playing 15:48 unless you mean current savegames are screwed 15:48 Master is *real* broken because I forgot to fix a bad boulder pushing cojmmit. 15:48 heh 15:48 So uh… no pushing boulders 15:48 that... 15:48 only two files changed 15:48 that just makes us want to try it 15:48 Updating eaf92ba..5dd3503 15:48 Fast-forward 15:48 src/hack.c | 2 +- 15:48 src/mkobj.c | 2 ++ 15:48 2 files changed, 3 insertions(+), 1 deletion(-) 15:49 AntiGulp its now incentive to fix boulder pushing sooner rather than later :P 15:49 pfft sokoban... who needs it 15:49 Well, guess we’re jumping to 0.8.0 a lot sooner than expected :) 15:50 why did you update xnethack 15:50 (clearly the best solution here) 15:50 aosdict why shouldnt i? 15:50 you had updates to master branch 15:50 I mean, master isn't broken or anything, I usually just tell you when it should be updated 15:51 i dont need your permission :) 15:51 <{Demo}1> do what I do and hide the master branch and by default show whatever the last release branch is 15:52 and how are you going to know what needs tweaking with your hated material overhaul unless ppl play it 15:52 you're welcome 15:52 oh snap 15:53 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:11227 15:53 for a minute I thought you were saying my commit sucks 15:53 not at all 15:53 oops that’s what I thought 15:53 i'm stealing it tomorrow for evilhack 15:54 hahahha i see... the word 'hated' 15:54 'hated materials' overhaul 15:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 8704 points, T:13858, killed by a soldier ant 15:55 for the record - on the contrary, it looks awesome 15:55 <{Demo}1> as a human, I hate wielding weapons made of flesh material 15:55 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Akl Iro Mal Neu), 15090 points, T:4250, killed by a monster (white dragon) 15:55 <{Demo}1> bet u didn't take that into account 15:55 {Demo}1 really? how do you fap then? 15:55 <{Demo}1> nvm I take it back I wanna wield some chicken wings 15:56 <{Demo}1> k2 cant u wield whatever weapon u want regardless of material if u have gloves of a not hated material? 15:56 <{Demo}1> cause theres ur answer 15:57 rofl 15:57 * K2 imagines {Demo}1 ordering a family-sized pack of latex gloves 15:57 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 15:59 -!- raisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:02 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:09 aosdict: your commits always suck ;) 16:09 (/s) 16:09 hm antigulp left 16:09 pff 16:09 I wanted to complain to him/her about bugs 16:10 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 16:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law), 7100 points, T:5050, killed by a bolt of lightning 16:12 antigulp is female 16:16 this is true 16:23 That's what THEY want you to think. 16:24 [backscroll] When K2 says "I'm stealing it for evilhack" I get nervous. 16:25 <{Demo}1> steal cauldrons as a dungeon feature 16:25 mobileuser: it's just a bunch of changes that make material hatred behave more consistently 16:26 <{Demo}1> im a fungus and i HATE copper 16:26 though I dunno, maybe K2 makes it more evil if he adds it 16:27 Eg at the moment a silver hating player can still use a silver stethoscope when wearing gloves 16:27 <@riker> applying things in vanilla lacks a lot of hand checks 16:27 <@riker> not surprised it also lacks material checks 16:28 things i borrow from other variants, I tend to alter to fix evilhack narrative 16:28 or if i just happen to think of a different way of doing the thing 16:28 that way its not a total rip-off 16:28 <{Demo}1> fungus player characters will suffer at the touch of copper 16:28 fix = fit 16:29 EPI: regardless of what race and role you select, there's always at least a 5% chance the game makes you play as a permanently blind giant healer. 16:30 I like this idea 16:30 ^ the game plays normally at first, but your vision radius and move speed slow down as you realize what you actually are 16:30 K2: make it so! 16:30 <@riker> aoei: tha'ts my line :( 16:30 ugh no lol 16:30 oh damn 16:30 I'm sorry riker 16:30 <@riker> :) 16:30 I thought I came up with that on my own but I probably absorbed it from you 16:30 <@riker> nah you did i'm just joking about the standard recipient of that line 16:30 * aoei skedaddles to curse her computer with Gentoo Linux 16:31 -!- aoei has quit [Quit: Leaving] 16:31 K2: i dunno, making small tweaks to someone's idea is good for anti-plagiarism, but this is an open source community, not a poetry/science journal. and those small tweaks can be annoying little "gotchas" when you hop from one variant to another, and the feature you know isn't *quiiiiite* the same thing as the feature you're dealing with 16:33 EPI: scroll of identify now costs 300zm, and is much less common than previously. To compensate, scroll of destroy armor is now 20zm and more common than before. 16:33 <@Joanna> Oh right I have discord. I can still annoy people here while destroying my computer :D 16:34 <@riker> computers are overrated 16:34 <@riker> i send all my messages to a designated PO box and have a trained monkey type them in 16:34 <@Joanna> Totes 16:34 <@riker> much less hassle than using a keyboard myself 16:34 <@Joanna> Oh wow. You're advanced 16:34 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the tourist of groovejumper, the former Excursionist, on T:17083 16:35 * jonadab simulates the trained monkey in wetware. 16:35 <{Demo}1> i feel so slow lately 16:35 <@Joanna> *whilst destroying my computer. Sorry K2 16:35 <@riker> demo: have you considered 5 hour energy? 16:35 that sounds like how Richard Stallman uses the internet riker 16:35 <{Demo}1> no 16:35 <@riker> works wonder for the collapse of your mental health 16:35 -!- zxcxzc has joined #hardfought 16:35 <@riker> makes it go SO much faster 16:35 <{Demo}1> lol 16:35 <@riker> amateurhour: i strive to imitate greatness 16:35 yeah I've never really agreed with K2's view on feature-stealing 16:36 when it comes to NH variants 16:36 I generally do not connect to web sites from my own machine, aside from a few sites I have some special relationship with. I usually fetch web pages from other sites by sending mail to a program that fetches them, much like wget, and then mails them back to me. 16:36 imitation is the sincerest form of flattery 16:36 <{Demo}1> i am all for plundering good shit 16:36 if people feature-steal from fiqhack, they wont offend me, at most they'll flatter me 16:36 <{Demo}1> even if it isnt really plundering due to licensing 16:37 <@Joanna> @amateurhour I ssh to my seedbox and run links. Way safer 16:37 assuming I care in first place 16:37 -!- zxcxzc has left #hardfought 16:37 <@riker> fiq: i'm stealing your name 16:37 <@Joanna> Yeah it's all open source and remix culture 16:37 see: 3.6 cleaver 16:37 <@riker> dnh is now notfiqhack 16:37 <@Joanna> Steal and steal alike 16:38 in fact 16:38 if people take one feature from one variant 16:38 and add it in another 16:38 but tweak it very slightly 16:38 just for the sake of tweaking it 16:38 and not because they disagree or whatnot 16:38 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the human zombie of groovejumper, the former Excursionist, on T:17284 16:38 that'll just annoy me 16:38 does that make ndnh notnotfiqhack 16:38 because I expect things to work a certain way 16:38 <@riker> no i'ts still notdnethack 16:38 and is thrown off by the random difference 16:38 <@riker> since dnh 3.16 is still technicalyl dnh 3.16, the name change isn't retroactive 16:39 <@riker> ndnh will become nnfh whenever it updates 16:39 <@Joanna> But the other side of a free for all remix culture is K2 can fuck with stolen features to his heart's content 16:39 <@Joanna> And you can't really complain if it doesn't fit your expectations 16:39 @Joanna sure 16:39 <{Demo}1> well u can complain 16:39 which is why I don't complain to his face 16:39 <{Demo}1> u just cant expect anything to come of it :P 16:40 <@Joanna> Haha yes 16:40 it just becomes a little pet peeve of mine :P 16:40 <{Demo}1> just like mannnnnnn why u tweak that mannnn 16:40 <@riker> demo you sound like a stoner 16:40 <{Demo}1> now i gotta try and remember like 2 different confusing things 16:40 @riker {Demo}1 always sounds like a stoner 16:40 <@riker> sometimes he doens't 16:40 <@riker> sometimes he sounds too dead inside 16:42 I know no roguelike that does 16:42 maybe angband? iirc their boss is on like dlvl100 16:42 wrong channel 16:42 <@riker> go home fiq, you're drunk 16:42 <@riker> actually eu time its probably not daydrinking 16:43 <@Joanna> Daydrinking is the best drinking 16:43 <@Joanna> Sober up in time for bed so you can actually sleep properly 16:43 <@Joanna> Alcohol is terrible for sleep 16:43 <@Joanna> Don't do it kids! 16:43 whoa. that's a good point 16:43 <@Joanna> Evening drinking, that is 16:43 i thought you were just being kooky 16:43 <@Joanna> Day drink all you want 16:44 <@Joanna> @spicycat (: maybe im kooky but also have great ideas? 16:44 i did, in fact, intend to drink last night before/during a video call, but i forgot to 16:44 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 43348 points, T:17771, killed by a Woodland-elf 16:44 your point about daydrinking is solid, and i have not yet drank the drinks i intended to drink. 16:44 so. 16:44 <@Joanna> :D 16:44 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law) killed Anja, on T:302 16:45 my variant's gonna have object materials, but with all of the heavy things 10% heavier, and the light things 10% lighter. for more impactfulness 16:46 <@riker> I'm gonna make obj materials but they dont matter except for silver, erosion, and wt (densities are the same as vanilla) 16:46 <@riker> and then objs always spawn with their default material 16:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:35675 16:48 FIQ: I agree that copying a feature and subtly adjusting it when the only reason to do so is so that it isn't the same exact feature as where it was copied from is very aggravating. 16:48 If only from a wiki-maintenance perspective. 16:48 <@Joanna> Ha 16:48 <@Joanna> Understandable 16:49 However, sometimes K2 needs to tweal things to make it consistent with other evilhack thinhs. Like with the Infidel patch. 16:49 *tweak 16:49 <@Joanna> I also agree generally that there's no point in doing it just fir the sake of it 16:49 in an ideal wiki that had every bit of information about every variant, we'd have pages for features common to variants, and they'd all have an evilhack section at the bottom saying "It works mostly the same in EvilHack, but the statblock changes X, Y and Z" 16:49 <@Joanna> Yeah I mean that's fait 16:49 <@Joanna> Fair* like removing the marker 16:49 <@Joanna> It wouldn't be evil if you start with a marker 16:50 <@riker> aosdict I believe the obj property page is like that 16:50 idk why K2 think it's courteous to mutate features stolen from other variants, I don't change things I steal from evilhack unless there's a gameplay reason to do so 16:50 nah, evilhack's obj properties system is unique 16:51 it's not a slightly modified copy of something else 16:51 <@riker> I'd argue it falls under the same wiki page umbrella 16:51 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law) killed the Woyzeck, on T:824 16:51 <@Joanna> I wanna hear K2 weigh in on this. Is this really why he does it or are y'all being unfair? 16:51 amulet of guarding 16:51 will wonders never cease 16:52 isn't that what he just said @Joanna 16:52 <@Joanna> Idk maybe I missed it 16:52 <@Joanna> Sorry if so 16:52 yeah at 4:28 16:52 well 4:28 EDT 16:52 <@Joanna> Ok fair. Then I also don't really get it 16:52 <@Joanna> But hey his variant 16:56 for what it's worth xnh and evilhack have the best wiki articles imo 16:56 I think when I've stolen changes from other variants (of, er, another roguelike) I have almost always found I've wanted to tweak them 16:56 and that's a bigger deal than it sounds when you have no idea wtf is in a variant 16:56 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 446 points, T:1684, killed by a dwarf 17:01 I wonder if it's possible to still do the quest after switching alignments in slex 17:01 orc town as a giant sucks 17:01 I may have murdered a shopkeeper then sacrificed at an altar 17:01 no shirt no armor no divine protection no fun 17:02 yeah evil/xnh/fh's "all on one page" style is nice 17:02 even if it's a very large article, it's nicer to ctrl f than a bunch of sub pages 17:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu) was given their Quest, on T:19741 17:04 klintos: you can eat them i think 17:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] klintos (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) just blew up his bag of holding, on T:36327 17:12 COME ON 17:12 :| 17:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 719 points, T:3068, killed by a rabid dog 17:12 :O 17:13 abi, 17:13 every time 17:13 why do I hit , 17:13 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Neu), 22588 points, T:1706, killed by the wrath of a deity (Chih Sung-tzu) 17:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) was given Premium Heart, on T:36598 17:14 the dwarf reads a scroll of earth! 17:14 10 boulders for me. thank you very much 17:15 blew up magicbane too 17:15 * klintos sighs 17:16 it doesn't scatter it now? 17:16 not everything 17:16 yeah you lose the magicbane i think 17:16 I think the item that caused the bohsplosion gets destroyed every time 17:17 and everything glass 17:17 <{Demo}1> magicbane cant go in a boh now? 17:17 <{Demo}1> is this new? 17:17 i did it in evilhack with magicbane 17:17 long time ago 17:17 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 17:17 and i think vanilla took both magicbane blowing up the bag and the scattering from evil 17:17 <{Demo}1> dumb 17:17 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) became the Grandmaster of Balance, on T:36812 17:17 <{Demo}1> re nuking bags and magicbane 17:18 haha i laughed whenit happened no spoilers honestly 17:18 no it was a separate sack with a cancel in it 17:18 <{Demo}1> its funny, in like a tasteless way 17:18 I gotta figure out a better way to carry that 17:18 ahh 17:18 <{Demo}1> like holy fuck, could you be more tone deaf 17:18 well magicbane has a chance of doing it in evil 17:18 i've done that like 10 times 17:18 cancel wand. that's on you man 17:18 i guess it is sorta a dagger of cancellation 17:19 I hate that you can hit "," on the type menu, and that selects ALL YOUR ITEMS 17:19 klintos: sounds like you need to leave it on the floor with an #annotation instead of carry it 17:19 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:19 klintos: yes many a great player has quit after hitting , and selecting all by accident 17:19 or play a variant that drains the wand to 0 instead of bohsplosioning :P 17:19 but the true ascender... you don't give up after you explode your bag 17:20 or when the electric eel destroys the castle wand 17:20 should you be able to sense curses as a cat or dog? 17:20 <{Demo}1> just play ndnh and you never have to worry about a boh exploding cause it will just never happen 17:20 knowing innately if an item is cursed 17:20 oh there will be no quitting 17:20 those are the best games when you overcome that shit 17:20 haven't even gotten to the quest yet 17:20 it's just annoying 17:20 and horse I suppose 17:21 <{Demo}1> fiq, all pets can do that, what? 17:21 there have been a couple epic rage quits on here since i started playing 17:21 not too bad though 17:21 {Demo}1: I considered making only domestic ones alble to 17:21 *able 17:21 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 17:21 for symmetry reasons 17:21 i want to quit now that i got orc town 17:21 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 17:21 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 17:21 rebatela: do it 17:22 show orctown who is boss 17:22 no dont 17:22 yeah, any kind of item destruction is less a test of skill than it is a test of your patience in grinding to boringly reacquire the items or equivalents 17:22 by destroying all universes where orctown happened 17:22 i was going to escape, but i'm not start scumming anymore and i don't want it to look like a T1 escape 17:22 so i thought i'd leave bones. drop my stuff as to not curse it 17:22 but maybe there's a wand of wishing on the next level? 17:22 drop everything by the stairs so the next person doesn't #quit :D 17:22 you just reminded me of my nitrohack test game 17:23 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 17:23 that I figured I'd just do a quick run through 17:23 to test its save system 17:23 I figured I'd play until I died to something 17:23 FIQ did you just get out of the pen or something? 17:23 I found a wand of wishing on dlvl7 17:23 and ended up ascending it 17:23 <@Joanna> Lol nice 17:23 <@Joanna> Well played 17:23 rebatela: ? 17:23 i'm j/k you seem to come around in spurts 17:23 ah 17:24 Hey FIQ, I saw your messages earlier. Its a known bug in the old versions of splice caused by a vanilla file parsing bug. 17:24 well I'm active in other channels too 17:24 gotcha 17:24 AntiGulp: what bug 17:24 You were complaining about a splicehack tips file bug 17:24 you're not bothering me. I thought maybe you died or something and now it's FIQ FIQ FIQ. Carry on 17:24 I was shilling fh elsewhere when ally stupidity came up 17:24 AntiGulp: ah 17:25 AntiGulp: do you know why curses does weird shit when starting a game for the first time? 17:25 dark squares uses the wrong character 17:25 can you play fiqhack without curses? 17:25 Wait what? 17:25 rebatela: yes but actually no 17:25 :( 17:25 you can configure it in such a way that the game looks like curses is disabled 17:25 rebatela: what is your problem with it? 17:25 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 457 points, T:1618, killed by a piranha 17:26 I'm happy to fix all "legacy player preferences" and such that is feasible to fix 17:26 up to a point 17:26 AntiGulp: let me show you 17:26 one sec 17:26 with fiqhack? i haven't really played it. i want to . Oh, with curses? i have trouble getting used to it. It's a me problem i suppose 17:26 AntiGulp: spectate me on hdf-eu 17:27 rebatela: that's a silly answer 17:27 i like tty 17:27 if your terminal is small enough, perminventory, windowborders, and message history will be hidden. and you can change the symset to revert pretty walls/fountains 17:27 it makes it harder to fix stuff 17:27 so silly 17:27 played rogue when i was a kid and then hack. that's the game i like 17:27 how is that silly? 17:27 I meant "nah the problem is me" is a silly answer 17:27 oic 17:28 How do I ssh into EU? 17:28 AntiGulp: eu.hardfought.org 17:28 same info otherwise 17:28 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:28 Thanks! 17:28 Spectating now. 17:29 AntiGulp: notice the weird symbols? 17:29 in the room 17:29 No? The UI is pretty messed up on my screen though. 17:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed greased bag of holding", on T:38283 17:30 http://home.fiq.se/cursed_splicehack.png 17:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:2728 17:31 AntiGulp: press s once or twice while spectating 17:31 spicycat: not a good idea 17:31 This still looks normal to me. Are you talking about the tree? 17:31 that hides the issue 17:31 if you press it 3 times, you circle back around to your terminal's default, like changing the fan speed 17:31 AntiGulp: look at the room floor 17:32 <{Demo}1> its 3d! 17:32 if you still don't see it 17:32 Oh woah 17:32 I see it now 17:32 start from the yellow < 17:32 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1176 points, T:2927, killed by a dagger 17:32 compare the 2 tiles right of it 17:32 AntiGulp: what I think is happening is that you're confusing the curses interface somehow 17:32 by messing with graphics settings mid-game creation 17:33 causing it to end up in some kind of half-state 17:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 godhands", on T:20967 17:33 because this only happens during a new character creation 17:33 saving and restoring the game makes it go away 17:33 what about CTRL + R 17:33 btw, in splicehack (and only splicehack), I can't change the symset 17:34 redrawing doesn't help the screen no 17:34 it's simply that lit and dark tiles use a different character 17:34 just picked up a stack of 19 loadstones in slex 17:34 like, if I move out of the room entirely, I get just one character for the room floor 17:34 dark tiles uses . 17:35 lit tiles uses · 17:35 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 17:35 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 17:35 Welp, this is going to be a fun issue 17:35 my guess is an improperly applied vanilla commit 17:36 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 325 points, T:1225, killed by a gas cloud 17:36 now for rebatela 's problem 17:36 i don't have a problem! 17:36 <{Demo}1> !!! 17:36 in fact i'm playing FIQ! don't hurt me! 17:37 <{Demo}1> get fiqd 17:37 Thanks for the report, FIQ. I have no idea how I’ll track it down, but I’ll try! 17:38 !tell antigulp is this thing case sensitive :( 17:38 I'm on it, spicycat. 17:38 rebatela: http://home.fiq.se/fh_faketty.png 17:39 amateurhour: yes, you can always do the quest, unwinnable scenarios don't exist in slex and if you find one, file a bug report please. (being surrounded by 20 minotaurs is not an "unwinnable scenario" :P) 17:39 the awful corridors is my terminal, I intend to fix it eventually, haven't gotten around to it 17:39 spicycat ? 17:39 AntiGulp: Message from spicycat at 2020-08-10 17:38 EDT: is this thing case sensitive :( 17:39 oh, it works! 17:39 nh3 does the same thing 17:40 I threw that game away because of orange spell stones or something Amy 17:40 anywaqy rebatela , this is what fiqhack looks like with a bunch of configuration options to make it look like nh3 tty look-a-like 17:40 dipped in both minetown fountains then decided to do a bit of a murder spree 17:40 oh it wasn't actually loadstones? 17:41 no this is a different game, I prayed so I could drop the loadstones 17:41 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) had a pair of buckled boots entrusted to him by Quetzalcoatl, on T:846 17:41 i'm having no problem actually 17:41 ah I see 17:41 I saw 19 gray stones on the ground and thought 'I'll pick them up and name them ammo' 17:41 very well 17:42 heh, good thing you could pray, otherwise you'd have been screwed 17:42 fiq: but thank you! I guess I'm used to it from watching others play 17:42 because why would loadstones ever spawn in a stack of 19? :P 17:42 i'm having fun. Did the door just change colors when i discovered it was locked? that was very cool 17:42 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 592 points, T:1369, killed by an invisible lich 17:42 why not? there's no compelling reason why only "good" gray stones should be able to spawn in stacks 17:42 and if I imagined it? that was cool too 17:42 rebatela: for fiqhack I added something called "enhanced watchmode". It means that instead of using the settings for the user playing the game, it uses your own settings 17:43 This is why fiqhack doesn't care about your screen dimensions when watching others 17:43 So you can watch someone using your own display configurations which can be totally different from whoever is actually playing 17:43 hot tech 17:43 nice 17:43 I ported it to nethack4 as well 17:43 fiq: rad! 17:44 also did I read the backscroll right and there is going to be a spicycathack variant? 17:44 you can see it in the watch menu by the screen dimensions being replaced with a green "N/A" 17:44 <{Demo}1> amy read the part with the made up monster 17:44 <{Demo}1> and add a "Der Demo will nen [whatever it was] als Monster" to ur list 17:44 Demo: the clavicus the destroyer one (or whatever you called it)? 17:45 i like curses, but i dont have a big monitor currently. So it kinda sucks on a small laptop screen sometimes rescaling other people's games everything comes out tiny 17:46 "cybrack the crucifier" apparently, and yes I already wrote in my todo list "Der Demo will nen cybrack the crucifier" (with that exact wording) 17:46 that reminds me of a complaint I've seen for nh3 17:47 for a time, almost nobody actually used the nh3 curses interface due to its flaws 17:47 then Tangles fixed a bunch of stuff with it 17:47 I fixed a tiny bit too and implemented the inventory sidebar 17:47 ultimately the result is that the curses windowport got more users 17:48 but since most people like the sidebar, they end up using huge terminals 17:48 <{Demo}1> how am i supposed to play hardcorely scuffed variants like nhbrass if i am addicted to having the nice curses interface? 17:48 which can be annoying when watching others 17:48 I did at one point consider making a streaming format so I could add enhanced watchmode tonh3 curses 17:49 but it seemed overkill 17:49 *to nh3 curses 17:49 <{Demo}1> oh lord 17:49 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed helping hand", on T:39864 17:50 {Demo}1: you think it would have been a bad idea? :P 17:50 <{Demo}1> at some point, added complexity is complexity, but, that aside, that just sounds painful for u 17:51 ha 17:51 yeah, windows users who like their windows to be maximized 17:51 250x55, and most of it is empty space with a little bitty game window in the top left 17:52 -!- stenno3 has joined #hardfought 17:52 i guess that's on PuTTY or whatever not increasing the font size when you maximize it 17:52 <{Demo}1> increasing size is only if ur eyes are small 17:53 80x25 terminal dimensions are best <3 17:54 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 17:54 <{Demo}1> make big but not so big u cant read 17:54 i make my terminals font as big as i can and have it all fit on screen and then ssh 17:54 <{Demo}1> i like having a smaller than needed font 17:54 <{Demo}1> so when my eyesight decides to go I'll know 17:54 i pretend i can't see. it's fun. it's like ascii tiles 17:55 but now i'm bag to this tiny laptop screen so it doesn't matter 17:55 down 17:58 <{Demo}1> i daily drove a laptop with a 1024x768 screen for like 4 months, and right when covid started i fixed my other laptop and then it was like wait, this is for real, great, don't even really need to use a laptop very often anymore 17:58 i don't see the need of having inventory listed all the time, but it's good for people who want to watch. Is that the idea? 17:58 <{Demo}1> perminvent is really nice but i dont wanna spoil myself 17:59 sometimes i will watch a game though and the whole screen is like food and stuff and the things you'd actually use aren't even listed 17:59 spicycat: I maximize all my windows too :P 17:59 Maximized windows for the win 17:59 dows 17:59 <{Demo}1> my nethack window is either tiled horizontally at 50% width, or fullscreen 18:00 how do you keep track of the IRC chat if the game window fills up the entire screen? 18:00 <{Demo}1> no borders no outline no window or anything though so that saves space 18:00 perminvent with packorder changed so you can see your consumables is pretty good for helping me remember to use them 18:00 I always keep forgetting what horizontal vs vertical tiling means 18:00 <{Demo}1> i just switch to the workspace with my client open with a keystroke and back to my game 18:00 I know horizontal is - and vertical | 18:01 <{Demo}1> good point 18:01 but does tiled horizontally mean they're stacked side by side 18:01 1280x1024 was the best monitor resolution ever 18:01 <{Demo}1> its hot dog not hamburger 18:01 or top to bottom? 18:01 <{Demo}1> side to side 18:01 just got home, reading the backscroll 18:01 <{Demo}1> the one where it would be 50% width 18:01 ah 18:01 {Demo}1: good point :P 18:01 ... rofl 18:02 webpages are long, not wide, widescreen monitors annoy me heckfully 18:02 I prefer widescreen 18:02 <{Demo}1> i like square 18:02 <{Demo}1> more area for the perimeter 18:02 [backscroll] if one were to take the time to pour through all of the commits I've made to evilhack that use content from other variants, you'll notice that I don't alter *everything* that's used. some things stay exactly the same. if i alter something, it's either to make it fit evilhack, or maybe I just have a different idea for how I want that change to behave 18:02 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law), 32964 points, T:2890, drowned in a moat by a flying dexmussle 18:02 it allows me to do this: http://home.fiq.se/emacs.png 18:03 <{Demo}1> that is true 18:03 if that's apet peeve for someone (looks at FIQ) - oh well 18:03 <{Demo}1> I just start tweaking on the muscle memory and will p instead of <- 18:03 K2: it's not 18:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1093154 points, T:31288, choked on a gelatinous cube corpse 18:04 the kind of changes I feel is arbitrary is things like "I made branch stairs ORANGE instead of yellow in this variant, to make it different!" 18:04 ooof nabru :/ 18:04 and I figured you did that kind of thing with gameplay stuff too 18:04 hand, meet palm 18:04 my best game ever :/ 18:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] Starlock (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 212 points, T:950, killed by a gas spore's explosion 18:04 rip nabru 18:05 nabru: so you're clapping? 18:05 heh 18:05 *face, meet palm 18:05 :P 18:05 FIQ: for arguments sake, say I wanted to make branch stairs green to be different. why not? i'm not exactly a big fan of conformity 18:05 but yeah, ouch 18:05 K2: my point is that, while it's harmless for UI changes, it could get annoying if you expect something to work one way and it turns out to work subtly differently 18:05 <{Demo}1> im gonna dye my staircases black with black eyeliner. NO FIQ ITS NOT A PHASE 18:05 and not because of any logical reason beyond to make it different 18:06 but it's your variant 18:06 i understand 18:06 and it's such a trivial issue 18:06 that I don't complain 18:06 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu) killed the Master of Thieves, on T:21321 18:06 hah :P 18:06 i feel like I should know this and cant remember - who is @Joanna? 18:06 aoeieio 18:06 ah 18:06 new discord person 18:06 oh I guess not 18:07 p sure they're on their phone on discord while they install gentoo 18:07 my variant makes branch staircases pink :D 18:07 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law) became literate by reading a scroll, on T:5126 18:07 makes sense 18:07 <@Joanna> Correct xD 18:07 your variant makes room walls all the colors of the rainbow 18:07 LarienTelrunya you should make fleecy a color 18:07 jonadab ported that to acehack at some point 18:07 like, officially 18:07 K2: well in slex it is one :D 18:08 <@Joanna> @amateurhour turns out even with persistence enabled I can't modprobe zfs stuff in fedora xfce live image 18:08 as in 'you vomit! it looks fleecy!' 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed Croesus, on T:26865 18:08 at some point I need to check the viability of tile animations over ssh 18:08 <@Joanna> So I'm gonna try mx Linux 18:08 it ought to be dead simple, but ssh can have the weirdest limitations at times 18:08 connection stability-wise 18:08 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1546 points, T:5206, killed by a crossbow bolt 18:08 <@Joanna> But i already nuked my hdd before i figured this out xD 18:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] Starlock (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 168 points, T:303, killed by a grid bug 18:09 side topic - half the roof is gone from my house now hah 18:09 <@Joanna> So I have to install fedora 18:09 <@Joanna> Again 18:09 K2 is it... 18:09 missing tiles? 18:09 yup lol 18:09 <@Joanna> @k2 noice 18:09 tiles replaced by ?s 18:09 @Joanna maybe test the next one in a vm? 18:09 new room and raised roof should be built by end of the week 18:09 <@Joanna> Pfffff 18:09 spicycat: real (wo?)men test things in production 18:09 please RNGeesuz dont rain 18:10 <@Joanna> I live on the edge spicycat 18:10 <@Joanna> Real woman indeed 18:10 K2: if you see any raindrops, send them to me, it hasn't rained at all here for over a week and we could really use some rain 18:10 heh 18:10 please send rain here 18:10 we had close to 5" of rain over 2 days last week. hurricane remnants 18:10 <{Demo}1> its been raining here for so many days now 18:10 <@Joanna> I also pray for rain 18:10 WTB rain, WTS dry sun 18:11 <{Demo}1> thunderstormed earlier today 18:11 <{Demo}1> now its sunny 18:11 are the americans stealing all our rain 18:11 is this why we're dying 18:11 <@Joanna> Yes 18:11 no, its lack of doggo hats 18:11 make america rainy agin 18:11 <@Joanna> Let's get em 18:11 *again 18:11 something something "bare metal" something it has a nice desktop background and boots up quick 18:11 [hdf-us] [evil] rebatela (Mon Gia Mal Law), 16188 points, T:6769, killed by a vampire king 18:12 with the exception of the gpu, this desktop I inherited from my brother is actually inferior spec-wise to my old one 18:12 I switched anyway because the old one didn't have working ethernet 18:12 interwebz > gfx card 18:12 and, more annoyingly, refused to boot without manual intervention 18:12 NetHack doesn't need a gpu anyways :D 18:12 try dat 18:12 tru 18:13 !lastgame 18:13 so I couldn't reboot remotely 18:13 rebatela: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/r/rebatela/evilhack/dumplog/1597090437.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/mightyquinn/evilhack/dumplog/1597095373.evil.html | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/drunkmonkey/nethack/dumplog/1597048750.nh.html 18:13 just run a gpu accelerated terminal 18:13 which was really annoying 18:13 <{Demo}1> i have spent so little money on the computer i use daily that I am amazed it works 18:13 basically the cpu fan connector was broken 18:14 I solved it cooling-wise by installing it to a different connector that caused the fan to constantly run at full power 18:14 fine for me since I'm hearing impaired anyway 18:14 my family hated it 18:14 but more annoyingly for me, the computer would refuse to boot without manual intervention as a result 18:14 have you suggested they also become hearing impaired? 18:14 "511-CPU Fan not detected. F1: Boot anyway" 18:14 give them headphones 18:14 bleck 18:14 amateurhour: I suggested ear props 18:15 er, earplugs 18:15 ear props lol 18:15 <{Demo}1> some bioses will support an option where you can get them to ignore that and boot 18:15 {Demo}1: mine was not one of them 18:15 I checked 18:15 <{Demo}1> yeah i think that's mostly on higher end more enterprisey shit 18:15 -!- oh6 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 18:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) had Orcrist bestowed upon her by Huan Ti, on T:13714 18:17 amateurhour: somehow, my family didn't appreciate the suggestion 18:17 no idea why, it'd solve the problem perfectly 18:19 <@Joanna> I inherited my ex-wife's shit old laptop. Spent zero money on it. Only cost me years of sanity. 18:19 <@Joanna> Still works tho! 18:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 100566 points, T:13949, petrified by a cockatrice 18:20 !lastgame scheijan 18:20 amateurhour: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/s/scheijan/nethack/dumplog/1597012589.nh.html 18:20 ah the classic 18:21 forgot their gloves had gone 18:21 go team c! 18:21 <@Joanna> Woo! 18:22 spicycat: [backscroll] what do you think of the spl/dnh wiki style where the main page mainly links to subpages? 18:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:27757 18:23 [hdf-us] [spl] qt (Tou Hum Mal Neu) destroyed qt's ghost, the former Sightseer, on T:771 18:23 Oh god I need to update the wiki 18:23 Once 0.8.0 drops, no more development. Only wiki 18:24 dnh couldn't have it all on one page, it's too big 18:24 is spl ever going to reach version 1.0.0 18:24 <{Demo}1> autogenerated docs :/ 18:24 I hope you're not going to make like LarienTelrunya and have 0.9.* go to 1.0.0 by default 18:25 [hdf-us] [slex] Heliokopis (Wiz Iro Mal Neu), 6831 points, T:1997, killed by a monster (hallucinogen-distorted arc bug), while paralyzed by a monster's passive attack 18:25 aosdict: It would already be there if younger me had understood semantic versioning. 18:25 why not all the version numbers are arbitrary anyway 18:25 sequential numbering ftw :D 18:25 evilhack wiki page probably needs to be split into sub pages 18:25 <{Demo}1> semantic versioning is dumb 18:25 I like it all on one page personally, it's not big enough to need splitting imo 18:25 Splice’s wiki pages are just… crazy outdated. Ugh. 18:25 <{Demo}1> ndnh has best versioning scheme 18:26 no it doesnt 18:26 its dumb 18:26 is it just the git hash 18:26 lol 18:26 i hate it 18:26 <{Demo}1> no its yyyy.mm.dd 18:26 and i hate jolt cola 18:26 To be fair, I don't think any nethack developers (even the devteam) use strict semantic versioning 18:26 <{Demo}1> so it still sorts alphabetically 18:26 <{Demo}1> in the right order 18:26 <{Demo}1> but also gives u info on when the release was released 18:26 :P 18:26 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:26 <@Joanna> @antigulp i do not understand semantic versioning please teach me your ways 18:26 Splice’s development will officially cease at version 0.W.0 18:26 @Joanna https://semver.org/ 18:27 <{Demo}1> major.minor.patch 18:27 ^ 18:27 dammit lichess just crashed 18:27 <@Joanna> Oo neat ty aosdict 18:27 "incompatible API changes" meaning savebreaks in a nethack context 18:27 i was about to get a pawn to my opponents back line too 18:27 <@Joanna> Naturally 18:28 no one makes a release containing just bug fixes 18:28 and no one makes a release that preserves save compat (except devteam) 18:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:41151 18:28 * K2 starts work on a release containing only bug fixes 18:28 Impossible 18:28 but devteam's releases that preserve save compat are the third digit 18:29 No NetHack variant developer has ever developed a release containing only bug fixes 18:29 <@Joanna> Aren't bugfixes the most minor bit of the version nr aosdict? 18:29 yes, but e.g. 3.6.0 -> 3.6.1 contained new features in addition to bugfixes 18:29 this is why we'll probably never see an actual nethack 4.0.0 18:29 <@Joanna> Outrageous behaviour 18:30 3.6.4, 3.6.5 and 3.6.6 only contained bugfixes but that's because they were released in short succession as security researcher dude found exploits 18:30 maybe after nethack 3.69.x they'll jump to nethack 5 18:31 <@Joanna> Some joker already stole 4 18:31 <@Joanna> They kinda have to 18:31 NetHack XP, NetHack 7, NetHack 8, NetHack 8.1, NetHack 10 18:31 maybe when they reach 4.0.0 they also finally make Gehennom interesting? :P 18:31 amateurhour: well the *other* reason we'll never see nethack 4.0.0 is because if the devteam actually did want to bump the first version number, 4 is taken, yeah 18:31 * AntiGulp begins development of a variant called NetHack 3.8 18:32 <@Joanna> Oh can i have 3.9? 18:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Kame (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:41332 18:32 <@Joanna> Let's all take one 18:33 <@Joanna> See how much we can upset the devtean 18:33 * LarienTelrunya picks Nethack 6.66, now with extra demon lords and lairs! 18:34 <{Demo}1> there was actually a serious fear of that 18:34 I'll take nethack 3.10, to annoy amy 18:34 <{Demo}1> there was a point in time, i think 2015ish, where the devteam was very afraid of being toppled by variant devs, or something like that lol 18:36 <@Joanna> Aw bless 18:36 <@Joanna> Poor little devteam 18:38 <@Joanna> Lol amateurhour I fucked up. No working OS on my HDD and a liveUSB that doesn't boot. Now I have to boot Tails to install a working liveUSB on the other stick. 18:38 <@Joanna> I'm so good at computers. 18:40 -!- amateurhour has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 18:41 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 173 points, T:261, killed by an iguana 18:42 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 441054 points, T:23084, killed by a blue dragon 18:44 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 91 points, T:241, killed by a sewer rat 18:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:29990 18:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] davez (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:29994 18:49 [hdf-us] [gh] Heliokopis (Wiz Gia Mal Neu), 561 points, T:742, killed by a kobold wererat 18:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Mon Clk Mal Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1658 18:56 !lastgame 18:56 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/H/Heliokopis/gh/dumplog/1597099448.gh.txt | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1597087106.dnh.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/d/drunkmonkey/nethack/dumplog/1597048750.nh.html 18:56 !lastgame nabru 18:56 nabru: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1597068842.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slex/dumplog/1590976383.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/xnethack/dumplog/1595622407.xnh.html 19:03 -!- stenno4 has joined #hardfought 19:05 <{Demo}1> man, there's nothing like making your bed and laying in it when you've made it well 19:05 -!- stenno3 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 19:05 <{Demo}1> like, idiomatically 19:06 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) entered Sokoban, on T:2905 19:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Mon Clk Mal Law), 13441 points, T:3148, killed by a gnome lord zombie 19:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] canine (Pri Hum Mal Cha), 585 points, T:1339, killed by a hobbit 19:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Initiate, on T:3167 19:20 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) performed her first genocide (krakens), on T:1220 19:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) consumed animal products (fortune cookie) for the first time, on T:3558 19:29 nabru: can you go on hdf-au and finish a game of something non xnethack so your !lastgame doesn't ping me :) 19:29 !lastgame nabru 19:29 spicycat: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/nethack/dumplog/1597068842.nh.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/slex/dumplog/1590976383.slex.txt | [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/n/nabru/xnethack/dumplog/1595622407.xnh.html 19:38 can you not though 19:41 why were line numbers removed from nethackwiki's source copy? 19:41 @sit breaks old links 19:46 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 19:46 nethackwiki is moving away from hosting the source itself 19:46 linking to github is the new thing 19:48 <{Demo}1> let Microsoft host it instead and just link to it :( 19:48 <{Demo}1> what happened to the annotated source? 19:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:4921 19:49 I think that still exists on the wiki. maybe 3.4.3 reflinks will be left alone 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] scheijan (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 5485 points, T:4932, killed by an owlbear 19:49 {Demo}1: linking to github is much superior to having to copy all the source onto the wiki for every new release 19:50 I think it was around the time that 3.6.4, .5, and .6 all came out at the same time that people started to get the idea that this isn't sustainable 19:51 <{Demo}1> a good wiki needs big text and fewer sidebars 19:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] saxonysam (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed Scorpius, on T:34277 19:52 <{Demo}1> and darkmode 19:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] saxonysam (Ran Hum Fem Cha) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:34279 19:52 aosdict: 3.4.3 is one of the sources without line numbers 19:53 I asked dtype if we could make a new 'vector-dark' wiki skin but I'm not sure anyone knew how? 19:53 -!- rebatela has quit [Quit: Konversation terminated!] 19:54 [hdf-us] [xnh] saxonysam (Ran Hum Fem Cha) attained the rank of Arbalester, on T:34321 19:54 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 19:54 my nethackwiki skin is currently using a dark theme 19:54 but it was a huge PITA to create 19:54 same 19:54 and I'm not sure it even works properly in all cases 19:54 it breaks when someone made an element with a custom bg 19:54 like in the magic cancellation article 19:55 the problem is that nethackwiki has a bunch of custom boxes that specify colors directly 19:55 which has to be worked around 19:55 yaeh 19:55 *yeah 19:55 aosdict: I think skins are a filesystem thing, which are me and paxed atm 19:56 sorry if I'm slow. :/ 19:57 does the rnz article say this for yall? 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There was a problem during the HTTP request: 404 Not Found 19:58 no 19:58 but I've see nthat happen sometimes 19:59 dtype: looks like two darkvector skins already exist out there 19:59 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Vam Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:4840 19:59 https://www.mediawiki.org/wiki/Skin:DarkVector 20:00 ^ looks like the more supported one 20:01 seems like a pretty quick install 20:03 [hdf-us] [slex] Heliokopis (Wiz Iro Mal Neu), 155 points, T:273, killed by a monster (flying umber hulk) 20:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] Grandolar (Ran Orc Mal Cha), 484 points, T:1373, killed by a gnome king 20:19 [hdf-eu] [evil] mightyquinn (Arc Hum Mal Law), 118 points, T:570, killed by a large mimic 20:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Vam Fem Neu) averted death, on T:5956 20:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Vam Fem Neu), 66010 points, T:6485, killed by an owlbear, while fainted from lack of food 20:38 -!- Menchers has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 20:47 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dro Fem Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2337 20:51 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 20:52 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 20:52 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 20:52 [hdf-us] [xnh] saxonysam (Ran Hum Fem Cha) killed Medusa, on T:36383 20:54 . 20:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Sam Hum Mal Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a lurker above, on T:5816 21:05 is the plural of ki-rin ki-rins or just ki-rin? 21:06 <{Demo}1> ki-reen 21:07 <{Demo}1> no clue 21:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:6165 21:09 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 21:09 -!- Mencherino has joined #hardfought 21:09 -!- Menchers has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 21:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Mon Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first item, on T:6600 21:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Mon Hum Fem Neu) had Ogresmasher bestowed upon her by Chih Sung-tzu, on T:6690 21:19 kirii 21:19 Discovery: Green molds are flagged as conveying stoning resistance, but there's no code in eat.c that handles the case for anything conveying stoning resistance 21:21 <{Demo}1> ACIDIC flag is used for acidic stoning curing, not that, yeah? 21:21 there's no ACIDIC flag 21:21 -!- Mencherino is now known as menchers 21:22 they have MR_STONE in their mconveys 21:25 <{Demo}1> ah, must be a dnh addition 21:25 <{Demo}1> no, I dont believe this 21:26 <{Demo}1> " M1_ACID" 21:26 <{Demo}1> there is indeed an acidic flag 21:26 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha), 2034 points, T:2868, killed by a wand 21:26 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 21:27 Finally found a terminal font I like. Feels good. 21:27 what is it? 21:28 IBM XGA-AI 12x20 21:29 is that elon musk's second child's name? 21:30 https://int10h.org/oldschool-pc-fonts/fontlist/font?ibm_xga-ai_12x20 21:30 looks ok https://imgur.com/TCkFyPD.png 21:31 interesting 21:31 I have my IRC program set to comic sans, so trust me, this is a step up 21:31 l and 1 are pretty close... 21:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Mon Hum Fem Neu) attained the rank of Student of Stones, on T:8146 21:33 <{Demo}1> is it even monospace? 21:36 holy shit 21:37 just noticed, we're 4 games away for a quarter of a million games played (not counting the dev/null tribute tournament) 21:37 *from 21:37 :O 21:37 when that counter updates on the hour, we'll be past 250,000 21:37 ERR - MAH - GERD 21:38 * K2 sees NAO glance over and chuckle 21:39 NAO is creeping up on 5 mil 21:40 <@ShivanHunter> hmm maybe I should go startscum 250K more games 21:40 noooo 21:40 <@ShivanHunter> :P 21:40 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 21:43 [hdf-us] [evil] telegarn (Sam Hum Mal Law) had a banded mail entrusted to him by Amaterasu Omikami, on T:12094 21:48 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Mon Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:9230 21:52 3... 2.... 21:52 <@ShivanHunter> 1 and a half 21:52 so counting TNNT but not counting the tribute? 21:53 across all servers? 21:53 ... 21:53 this is the worst new year's ever 21:57 yeah 21:57 there's something different about the dev/null tribute xlogfile it wouldnt parse with what i'm using 21:57 i havent looked into why 21:58 (yet) 21:59 * K2 enjoys beating someone in 17 moves that's rated 200 points higher than him (chess) 21:59 was not expecting that 21:59 !tell AntiGulp I picked up 4 pears then hit e to eat one and got "You don't have anything to eat" (convict, if that matters) 21:59 No worries, aosdict, I've got this! 21:59 splicehack is forcing you onto a diet 21:59 I'm going to starve 21:59 because these pears are untouchable 22:00 can you eat other things? 22:00 actually want me to make a save for antigulp 22:00 you could 22:00 ok saved 22:01 let me know when you have it backed up 22:01 us server right? 22:01 is it 250k yet 22:01 yes 22:01 aosdictj, not aosdict 22:02 because my junethack acct is still being used for some reason 22:02 i dont see aos* anything 22:02 0.7.1 ? 22:02 it was a new game so yes 22:03 oh well 22:03 btw, restoring did not make the pears edible 22:03 reminds me of those stolen apples that inc bin starts with. i guess they're for ponies, @riker 22:04 I also can't eat them off the ground 22:04 i dont see a game for you 22:04 ohhhh 22:04 I'm a vampire 22:04 lol 22:04 no pears for me :) 22:04 not unless you fill them with blood 22:04 could I eat a blood orange? 22:05 wtf is going on 22:05 as long as it's only been dead for two turns, then yes you can 22:05 !tell AntiGulp I added a power bar to the curses interface without too much issue (it can be seen in the NH3 curses interface used in 3.4.3 variants). What was the problem you had? Then again, iirc the statusbar code in botl is incredibly complex and, to me feels like it's far more complicated than it needs to be (I simply just ignored all of that and created the nh3curses status bar code from scratch) 22:05 Will do, FIQ! 22:06 oh i am weee rawr 22:06 0.7.1-21 22:06 not 0.7.1 22:06 [hdf-us] [spl] aosdictj (Con Vam Fem Cha), 147 points, T:520, killed by a jackal, while fainted from lack of food 22:06 aosdict backup saved 22:06 not needed 22:06 sorry 22:07 forgot vamp rules 22:07 what was it 22:07 ah 22:07 K2: aosdict was being silly 22:07 that's all 22:07 :) 22:07 aosdict? silly? wha..... ? 22:08 2,935 registered names. 22:08 249,997 total games played. LOL 22:08 11pm est then i guess 22:08 crazed vampire convict, so starved that he tries to suck blood from a pear 22:10 spicycat: earlier I decided that cartomancer vampire was a good combination to try 22:10 then I realized that cartomancers get half as many corpses 22:10 good joke 22:10 in splice 22:11 [hdf-us] [spl] aosdictj (Con Hum Mal Cha), 136 points, T:343, killed by a jackal 22:12 i specifically told you not to play vampires :P 22:12 [hdf-us] [spl] aosdictj (Con Orc Fem Cha), 11 points, T:86, killed by a falling rock 22:13 <@FIQ> by that point I had already picked that combo 22:13 <@FIQ> I tried something else later 22:13 <@FIQ> I've always liked playing vampire in variants allowing it 22:14 [hdf-us] [spl] aosdictj (Con Orc Fem Cha), 73 points, T:207, dragged downstairs by an iron ball 22:14 <@FIQ> My near-kotw (everything but slex) had me play vampire in un. Don't remember if I played vampire, incantifier or half-dragon in dnh 22:14 there I think that's the 250K game 22:16 @FIQ you know spl has #techniques right 22:21 !tell AntiGulp never mind forgot I was a vampire 22:21 I'm on it, aosdict. 22:23 <@riker> @princessSpicycat i prefer those as domestic animal food so i am not poking at that 22:24 <@riker> not sure but i'm assuming its intended, the only other people it affects should be inc kni (who definitely want the apples) 22:26 🎈🎉🥂 250K! 🎉🥂🎈 22:29 <@FIQ> @princessSpicycat what about it 22:29 <@FIQ> the techniques thing I mean 22:29 <@FIQ> Yeah I know it does 22:29 just making sure u knew 22:30 i played a couple dozen spl games before i realized 22:30 <@FIQ> Ok 22:30 <@FIQ> Ah 22:35 i got jazzed about spl's new stuff first, then i slowly started to realize how much stuff there is from slashem 22:44 howdy 22:47 <@riker> o/ 22:48 bouquetbouquet 22:49 is there an echo? 22:49 <@riker> !ping 22:49 @riker: Pong! 22:49 <@riker> hm, the echo seems slightly distorted 22:50 I haven't really played for, like, a month. That's about 50 years in bouquet. 22:50 my laptop died 3 days after the 3 year warranty ended :( Had to use a etch-a-sketch while I waited for the replacement. 22:51 <@riker> nethack etch-a-sketch port when? 22:51 "ok, now I'll draw the @ moving one space closer to the :..." 22:51 it was such a clunker that I didn't want to profane hardfought.org's SSH sockets by connecting. 22:52 @riker I think it's production ready. Target has the newest model etch-a-sketch that can handle it. 22:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dro Fem Cha) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:11140 22:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Wiz Hum Mal Neu) destroyed canine's ghost, the former Acolyte, on T:1258 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Wiz Hum Mal Neu), 1067 points, T:2221, killed by a gecko, while fainted from lack of food 22:59 bouquet: seems like you might have had a nefarious laptop manufacturer that designed their hardware to fail after just over 3 years 22:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 3 points, T:46, killed by a giant spider 23:00 like those $60 walmart android tablets! 23:00 they expire hard 23:02 -!- Mencherino has joined #hardfought 23:03 -!- dopplerg- has quit [Quit: ZNC 1.7.5 - https://znc.in] 23:03 -!- dopplergange has joined #hardfought 23:04 -!- menchers has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 23:06 -!- Mencherino is now known as Menchers 23:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 687 points, T:2183, killed by a crossbow bolt 23:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "2 blessed scrolls of charging", on T:960 23:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed greased +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:962 23:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] dvorkian (Wiz Elf Fem Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3013 23:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 625 points, T:2106, killed by a vampire lord 23:17 yani: silver body armor affects melee attackers who aren't using a weapon 23:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] dvorkian (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 1343 points, T:3114, killed by an ape 23:19 I mean, that's basically the sort of thing I just covered a bunch of cases for with obj materials, which splice and evilhack are now pulling in 23:19 :O 23:19 nice 23:20 the Alt Team 23:22 the exact situation you describe doesn't happen, because the benefit of the doubt is given on the monster not hitting something that would hurt them if they can help it 23:23 actually wait sorry you're describing the passive case of the attacker getting hurt, which I didn't have the willpower to tackle in that commit 23:24 hmm, so that's why changelings don't work right. Antigulp is still working on them. 23:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered the Bigroom, on T:10995 23:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Arc Hum Mal Neu) destroyed Vis' ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:1718 23:35 will I have to lose my splicehack game soon? 23:36 you never lose your game, you just have to keep playing the old version till the game's over 23:37 I see 23:46 [hdf-us] [spl] bugsniper (Wiz Mer Mal Neu) attained the rank of Magician, on T:10132 23:47 Hi bouquet! Thanks for the Orcus-Town bones the other night :) 23:48 They must've been kicking around for a while if you haven't played for a month. 23:49 [hdf-us] [spl] bugsniper (Wiz Mer Mal Neu) entered Sokoban, on T:10276 23:49 I see the boulder bug 23:49 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed +5 quicksilver", on T:12556 23:49 it's stopping me from moving a boulder in sokoban 23:49 what was the description of that bug again? 23:50 [hdf-us] [nh370] ssnufd (Arc Hum Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2034 23:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dro Fem Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:12864 23:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] dvorkian (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 512 points, T:1345, killed by a crossbow bolt 23:55 [hdf-us] [nh370] aximili (Mon Hum Fem Neu) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:12824 23:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ana Dro Fem Cha) wished for "blessed fixed greased +2 dragonhide boots of flying", on T:12945 23:57 yep, sokoban boulders don't roll in this version