00:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 10618 points, T:4500, killed by a dwarf zombie 00:03 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Bar Hum Fem Neu) bribed Asmodeus with 1009 zorkmids for safe passage, on T:16165 00:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Anhur, on T:23226 00:08 <@ShivanHunter> it took 500 goddamn sacrifices for him to give me that 00:13 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2150 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Orcus, on T:16624 00:22 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) eschewed atheism, by dropping a runed dagger named Ok on an altar, on T:4072 00:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] Tommo (Bar Hum Fem Neu), 340904 points, T:16665, petrified by a chickatrice corpse 00:24 :9 00:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 12140 points, T:4136, killed by an Uruk-hai 00:27 Ok 00:33 [hdf-us] [dnh] canine (Mon Hlf Mal Cha), 31511 points, T:6430, quit 00:47 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Pri Sal Fem Neu), 303 points, T:567, killed by a fox 00:55 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Pir Elf Fem Cha), 1827 points, T:1773, killed by a small aklys 00:56 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 1706 points, T:1087, killed by a gnome 01:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1476 01:12 [hdf-us] [un] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed the Watcher in the Water, on T:38578 01:32 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Neu) wished for "the blessed eyes of the overworld", on T:7027 01:34 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 14615 points, T:4754, killed by a mountain centaur, while sleeping off a magical draught 01:37 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Rog Bat Fem Cha), 1883 points, T:1537, killed by a snake 01:42 [hdf-us] [fh] Rangera (phollenback) (Ran Elf Mal Cha) defeated Croesus, on T:62457 01:46 [hdf-us] [fh] water nymph (BoatsandJoes) (Val Dwa Fem Law) wished for "greased fixed blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:13621 01:46 [hdf-us] [fh] Rangera (phollenback) (Ran Elf Mal Cha) genocided disenchanters, on T:62698 01:49 [hdf-au] [nh370] tim (Sam Hum Mal Law), 3678 points, T:3902, quit 02:03 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 02:05 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 02:05 [hdf-us] [nh370] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) made his first wish - "holy holding", on T:24045 02:06 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:07 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 02:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) attained the rank of Enchanter, on T:24918 02:34 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 02:34 [hdf-eu] [ndnh] smzp (Val Swn Fem Neu) consulted the oracle for the first time, on T:5342 03:00 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:13 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 337 points, T:1622, killed by a goblin 03:17 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 03:17 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 03:40 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) reached Mine Town, on T:2701 03:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) destroyed dvorkian's ghost, the former Conjurer, on T:2792 03:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 2778 points, T:3043, killed by a rothe 03:50 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:02 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 04:07 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:27540 04:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kelamir (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 2354 points, T:2505, killed by a giant ant 04:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Fem Law) had Snickersnee bestowed upon her by Anu, on T:53642 05:29 -!- theRaisse has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 05:47 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Rog Ang Fem Cha), 938915 points, T:60532, choked on a shottytroll corpse 05:48 !lastgame maxlunar 05:48 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/M/MaxLunar/slex/dumplog/1595951255.slex.txt 06:03 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 06:04 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 06:07 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 06:08 !lastgame AmyBSOD 06:08 amateurhour: [hdf-us] (sorry, no dump exists for spl:AmyBSOD) | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/A/AmyBSOD/slex/dumplog/1591710014.slex.txt 06:09 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:17 -!- j6p has joined #hardfought 06:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] Kelamir (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 1445 points, T:3479, killed by an invisible dwarf lord 07:15 -!- kelamir[m] has joined #hardfought 07:16 Hello world! 07:19 Hello 07:19 Hello nabru, Welcome to #hardfought 07:20 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) rejected atheism by offering a wolf corpse on an altar of Moloch, on T:12560 07:28 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) had an orcish dagger entrusted to her by Moloch, on T:12592 07:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kelamir (Ran Elf Mal Cha) murdered Sirius, his faithful little dog, on T:1590 07:30 Ohhh. 07:30 Why didn't it just swap me with him? :( 07:30 cebolla: Adeon's 29-asc streak *does* suggest that every game is ascendable, but I would think Tariru's 61-streak would be a stronger argument for that. 07:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 426 points, T:918, killed by a bolt of fire 07:36 <@Tone> I disagree with that. I'd say at a minimum the nature of traps in nethack make it such that every game isn't winnable 07:37 ais523's TAS tools would probably prove that every game is winnable :D 07:37 <@Tone> With full seed knowledge, sure 07:37 (at least in theory; a human player may always encounter a poison dart trap early) 07:37 <@Tone> but players don't have that, and it's cheating 07:38 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:12750 07:39 the context of this is the wiki article for Fun 07:40 I don't think it's really the place to say "every game is ascendable except for sudden random death early" 07:40 trying to motivate people to give every game their best effort 07:41 for me, slex has definitely proven that what is fun for one player isn't necessarily fun for others :D 07:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed krm26's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:5674 07:41 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) destroyed the invisible krm26's ghost, the former Pillager, on T:5687 07:41 <@Tone> I haven't seen the article, but I don't think lying about it to new players is appropriate either. Could just day that nearly every game is winnable, or more specifically that every seed is winnable 07:42 <@Tone> say* 07:43 a new player might not even know what a "seed" is though 07:43 <@Tone> And I suppose saying each game is winnable could mean the same thing as seeds depending on context anyways, but I don't think streaks are what prove that 07:44 anyway, need to leave now, back later 07:44 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 07:44 See you :) 07:45 <@Tone> Anyways, I didn't know the context, so don't mind me until I actually read the article :) 07:45 <@Tone> How I'd word to something in an article like that is probably different than how I'd talk about it here 08:01 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 08:03 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 08:05 Suddenly, you produce beautiful farting noises with your sexy butt. You start turning to stone! 08:06 -!- aoei has quit [Client Quit] 08:06 actual thing that just happened to me in slex 08:06 are you actually surprised 08:07 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law), 246644 points, T:22442, petrified by a bad petrification effect 08:08 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 08:08 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 08:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:11327 08:40 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law), 12772 points, T:2661, quit 08:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:42162 08:54 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Kelamir (Rog Hum Mal Cha), 589 points, T:1480, killed by a water demon, while sleeping 08:55 Turns out fountains are dangerous. 08:55 <{Demo}> high risk, high reward 08:55 :D 08:58 better to avoid them in the early game 08:58 Thank you, Nabru. 08:58 I usually play lawful so I'm usually dipping for Excalibur after I reach level 7 08:59 I see. 08:59 <{Demo}> yeah, only go for them if you are wish scumming 08:59 <{Demo}> i.e. start a game, find a fountain, try get wish, if u die or it eats itself quit and try again (not recommended) 09:00 <{Demo}> casual interactions with fountains are discouraged until later into the game, where dipping potions and scrolls to blank them becomes an ok use 09:00 I see, thanks {Demo}. 09:01 <{Demo}> "totally clutch" interactions with fountains like while your god doesn't wanna listen to you pray, dipping your cursed two handed weapon into it to attempt to get lucky and get the uncurse effect is also an epic maneuver 09:01 How do I change tilesets while playing on hardfought? On the website's "hterm" I can choose one from the several options, but it doesn't seem to be doing anything. I've added "OPTIONS=vt_tiledata" to my config. 09:01 Oh, that's useful! 09:02 Fountains are interesting. 09:06 nabru: waiting until XL 7 to dip doesn't make sense for all lawfuls in general, only those that get speed at XL 7 (just valks?) 09:08 aosdict: indeed 09:08 I usually play Val-Dwa, so 09:20 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) completed Sokoban, acquiring a bag of holding, on T:10709 09:30 hi 09:30 Hello K2, Welcome to #hardfought 09:31 -!- TheOtherNabru has joined #hardfought 09:31 -!- TheOtherNabru has quit [Client Quit] 09:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] mmj (Val Dwa Fem Law) changed form for the first time, becoming a giant ant, on T:15242 09:34 hi 09:34 Hello amateurhour, Welcome to #hardfought 09:35 Hello K2, Amateurhour! 09:35 o/ 09:35 How's your Nethack adventure going? 09:37 I don't have any games on the go as I died, but need to figure out how to stop myself playing slex 09:37 its not currently :) 09:38 amateurhour i could just delete slex from hardfought 09:38 problem solved 09:38 :P 09:40 That would mean lots of game records deleted... beware :) 09:40 write a patch that hides slex if the username is amateurhour 09:40 Don't try this without black belt in several martial arts. 09:41 dammit why isnt amy ever here when I say things that would make her freak out and lose her mind? 09:41 * K2 waves at amy reading the logs (again) 09:42 Poor Amy :l 09:43 somewhere on a train, amy just had a feeling like someone walking over her grave 09:47 hah 09:53 I wanna play evilhack but I don't want to die over and over in the boring part of the game :P 09:53 practice makes perfect 09:54 Death is but a part of the destination. 09:54 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) wished for "blessed fixed +2 bone helm of opposite alignment", on T:26413 10:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 362 points, T:390, killed by an orcish arrow 10:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 191 points, T:239, killed by a pyrolisk 10:04 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 10:05 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 10:09 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:09 aosdict: i didn't write that part, i just didn't update it :P 10:10 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 10:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Shelob, on T:27479 10:18 -!- Bliss56 has joined #hardfought 10:25 counterpoint: the constant threat of dying in the early parts of the game makes it exciting, not boring 10:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the high shaman of Moloch, on T:27959 10:31 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu) received advice from The Oracle, on T:9231 10:32 [hdf-eu] [nh343] myn (Mon Hum Fem Neu) wished for "2 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:23421 10:34 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Lungorthin, on T:28063 10:52 [hdf-us] [dnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:19897 10:58 [hdf-eu] [nh370] gargor (Wiz Gno Mal Neu), 412 points, T:704, killed by an iguana 10:59 -!- asdfasdf has joined #hardfought 10:59 is there any way to submerge myself underwater if I have intrinsic flying 11:00 I don't think so 11:03 dang, no ose binding for me then haha 11:04 no what? 11:04 <@riker> you can use any tile in the lost cities 11:04 <@riker> like any floor tile works fine there 11:05 oh the spirit, thought it was an acronym for something 11:07 OH HECK im in the lost cities right NOW! what a coincidence haha 11:08 <@riker> congrats lol 11:09 oh @riker i meant to ask yesterday, what happens if you kill a priest to an unknown god, and bury it? 11:10 <@riker> probably just gone idk 11:10 <@riker> just dont do that 11:10 <@riker> game is perfectly winnable without them so if you actively try to delete them that's on you 11:10 <@riker> I'm more concerned about accidents like mvm digestion or smth 11:10 <@riker> things that require less intention 11:12 whats mvm digestion 11:16 <@riker> monster vs monster combat digestion 11:16 <@riker> like with conflict or a pet 11:17 <@riker> theres a couple things out there that will kill a monster and bypass the normal corpse leavings, or delete an object without confirming it's safe to delete 11:18 <@riker> pretty sure ahazu abduction and I believe malphas ritual was just patched (it could eat rider corpses) 11:18 <@riker> I think digestion attks have funky stuff like that and the attempted digester should fail if it tries to eat a rider but idk 11:24 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) had Luck Blade bestowed upon him by Tymora, on T:20131 11:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) was given their Quest, on T:15794 11:29 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) wished for "fixed magic marker", on T:28750 11:32 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 43761 points, T:15599, killed by a white unicorn 11:32 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed Smaug, on T:16355 11:36 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 11:36 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 11:37 [hdf-us] [dnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) was given their Quest, on T:24220 11:40 [hdf-us] [nh343] KaiHerd (Wiz Hum Fem Neu), 18040 points, T:11725, killed by a mumak 11:41 [hdf-us] [sp] KaiHerd (Mon Hum Fem Cha), 2552 points, T:1575, quit 11:42 [hdf-us] [dnh] asdfasdf (Bin Dwa Mal Non) destroyed Ghoul-queen Nitocris, on T:68851 11:42 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha) attained the rank of Outlaw, on T:20973 11:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:3271 11:44 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 3094 points, T:3274, killed by a giant ant 11:46 amateurhour: wtf why are you trying to stop yourself from playing slex, you should instead play more slex! I know it's like a drug but yolo :D 11:47 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 11:47 so you admit slex is like black tar herion 11:47 ahhh heroin 11:47 tar, black 11:47 also lol @ me feeling that someone walked over my grave while I was on the train. what actually happened is that one of my supervisors appeared and told me that I was doing a good job ♥ 11:48 your supervisor obviously doesnt play slex 11:48 :P 11:48 haha nope, he very definitely does not 11:48 did you give him fleecy bundles? 11:48 LOL, he actually had more bundles than me 11:48 see i dunno how to process that 11:49 bad me does 11:49 sensible me does not 11:49 means "he had more hair on his head than I do" 11:49 ah 11:50 LarienTelrunya: It is a competition, you must now grow your hair out longer than his. In fact, you must grow your hair to at least twice the length of his. 11:50 To prove that you are adequately fleecy and bundled. 11:50 lol, I tried to grow my hair long once and it was a total disaster 11:51 I tried to grow my hair long many years ago in my dorky/cringy teenage days. Results sucked. 11:51 my stupid hair starts getting icky before it reaches even shoulder length and also grows only at a snail's pace at that point, how the hell am I supposed to grow it *real* long? 11:51 LarienTelrunya: That is because you did not spend an hour at oh-dark-thirty every morning brushing it out starting at the tips and gradually working your way inward to the whole length. 11:51 what level of bundle would a mohawk be? 11:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Lord Surtur, on T:25069 11:51 [hdf-eu] [nh343] myn (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Master Kaen, on T:26290 11:51 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 260 seconds] 11:51 jonadab: ain't nobody got time to do that every single day :P 11:52 LarienTelrunya: There are definitely women who do that every single day. 11:52 mohawk would be "spiky bundle" :D 11:52 * K2 has spiky bundle 11:52 Not sure about men. Possibly. 11:52 heh, when I want bundles on myself I wear a wig ♥ 11:52 K2: Wait, is this a Mr. T style Mohawk, or the moussed kind that stands way up? 11:53 well the mohawk part isnt long enough to do anything with it yet 11:53 Ok, so the former. 11:53 started rocking one about 10 days ago 11:53 was doing the usual shaving of the ehad, mini-me said 'daddy do a mohawk again!!' so I did 11:53 *head 11:53 [hdf-eu] [nh343] myn (Mon Hum Fem Neu) picked up the Bell of Opening, on T:26428 11:53 * jonadab keeps waiting for inverse mohawks to come into fashion. Shave a stripe down the middle, leave the sides long. 11:54 gonna try and keep it as long as I can 11:54 Or the sideways mohawk, moussed to stand up real tall, like a fan. 11:54 hah 11:55 but its not a mr t mohawk either, it doesnt go down the back of my head 11:55 Ok, but short-ish like that? 11:55 K2: does the lovely ice queen also still paint your nails sometimes? ♥ 11:56 Apropos of such, I did see someone correctly complain that a "landing strip" does not have foliage in the middle and clear spots on either side. That is the opposite of how you want a landing strip to be. 11:56 not lately 11:56 Pinkbeast lol 12:00 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) became literate by reading the fortune inside a cookie, on T:18156 12:01 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 437 points, T:1063, killed by a gnome lord 12:01 lol 12:02 Hmm, disturbing image: ice queen with a mohawk 12:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) wished for "magic chest", on T:30246 12:05 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 12:06 wait, this is disturbing? https://imgur.com/BVUttah.png 12:09 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 12:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) was given Ogresmasher, on T:19165 12:14 !who 12:14 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] KaiHerd [sp] macosx [slshm] post163 [evil] krm26 [evil] Qwesti [nh370] Som [dnh] Alasnuyo [dnh] asdfasdf [dnh] Heliokopis [dnh] arnibald [fh] | [hdf-eu] Vis [nh370] amateurhour [slex] microlance [dnh] | [hdf-au] No current players 12:14 I remember wanting to tell LarienTelrunya something a month ago or so but she was offline 12:14 But I've forgotten what it was 12:15 Oh well, it was probably unimportant 12:15 could have left a !tell instead 12:15 I was on phone 12:15 I don't trust Beholder to work properly via discord 12:15 I've had issues in the past 12:15 LarienTelrunya: is slex still actively updated 12:15 maybe I'll look at it some for inspiration 12:15 of course it is! 12:16 however, currently it's the slex-2.6.7 branch that I'm working on; master is only for bugfixes until I get the new version to a releasable state 12:16 FIQ: It was probably just a minor remotely exploitable segfault bug in the current slex that you wanted to tell her about. 12:16 LarienTelrunya: did you know that the other week I implemented online battling in pokémon crystal (or well, a hack of it) 12:16 jonadab: Yeah, probably. Something unimportant like that 12:17 LarienTelrunya: I'll look at the most up to date branch 12:17 yay, with messages like EN'SDEJIZ FRADO and the like? :D 12:17 that's what I do when I feature-steal 12:17 FIQ: Or an Evil Patch Idea that you had, maybe. 12:17 FRADO LIVES! 12:17 allthough feature-stealing from slex is somewhat rare for me 12:17 [hdf-us] [sp] KaiHerd (Mon Elf Fem Cha) wished for "the blessed master key of thievery", on T:1310 12:17 it has happened twice iirc 12:17 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) acquired the luckstone from Mines' End, on T:19776 12:18 slex has a lot of features that could be stolen, but rarely ever someone does it ;) 12:18 commit 7f1a4109e9ed474c93cb7d2de09c056bbb75c6ae (HEAD -> slex-2.1.7, origin/slex-2.1.7) 12:18 Author: AmyBSOD 12:18 Date: Thu Apr 26 08:40:08 2018 +0200 12:18 I see that my local repo isn't quite up to date 12:18 xnh has one feature that originally comes from slex but directly comes from fiqhack's stolen copy of it 12:18 (skill cap display) 12:18 Didn't I end up taking a Sokoban level from slex (that slex got from somewhere else), at one point? 12:18 yeah skill cap display was one of the things I stole from slex 12:19 there was something else iirc, I forgot what 12:19 I know slex' monster lookup predates fiqhack's, but I took it from dynahack who took it from unnethackplus 12:19 which I think is where slex also took it from originally 12:19 slex's pokedex is also from unnethackplus, yeah 12:21 oh also displaying encyclopedia entry for an object when you hit the inventory letter is from slex I think 12:21 didn't take the code, just the idea, because 3.6 12:21 inspired by slex at most; in slex, I actually made handwritten entries for every single item, which no other variant has to my knowledge 12:22 nh4+friends? 12:22 if they do, it would be news to me 12:22 nh4 tries to have an encyclopedia entry for every object, presented in a spoiler-free manner 12:23 which leads to silly constructions like "this weapon is only slightly good against small monsters and moderately effective against larger monsters" 12:23 I just say, here have the damage dice 12:23 LarienTelrunya: NH4 removed the literary-quotes encyclopedia due to copyright concerns. And then wrote replacement entries that are actually game-relevant. 12:24 I'll remove the literary-quotes encyclopedia when someone actually levies a copyright claim. 12:24 Actually no I won't, I'll just remove the entries they want removed 12:24 ais is very much more careful about copyright issues than most NetHack developers. 12:24 whoa, nh4 actually seems to have such an encyclopedia 12:25 nethack4 still has hobbits 12:25 LarienTelrunya: Yeah, there are entries for all the monsters as well. 12:25 aosdict: True. 12:25 Also nazgul. 12:25 does it retain defunct elf quest code 12:25 lol nh4 has no description for acid venom :P 12:26 Words like "Hobbit" and "Nazgul" are much too short to be copyrightable. But they're potentially trademarkable. 12:26 Nazgul is unlikely to be a trademark, but hobbit might be. 12:26 aosdict: No, NitroHack purged a ton of defunct code. 12:26 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1669 points, T:2563, killed by a death ray 12:27 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 12:27 NH4 might still have some "dead code", i.e., code that's never actually executed because a conditional can only go one way. But it'd be mostly non-obvious stuff if so. 12:30 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Yeenoghu, on T:30787 12:34 <@bubbles> where did dnh steal the item info stuff from? 12:34 <@bubbles> I like that a lot 12:34 <@bubbles> Need demo to port it to undnh!!!! 12:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 119 points, T:191, killed by a gas spore's explosion 12:38 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 33155 points, T:3215, killed by a death ray 12:39 [hdf-us] [sp] KaiHerd (Mon Elf Fem Cha), 2464 points, T:2146, killed by a bolt of cold 12:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) wished for "blessed greased fixed spellbook of identify", on T:46161 12:41 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 12:41 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 1240 points, T:1847, killed by a gnome lord, while sleeping 12:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:27674 12:45 <@riker> I'm 44% sure dnh stole either slashem or slex item descs 12:46 dnh doesn't have slex-style item descriptions, it only has encyclopedia entries 12:46 and very probably not for every single item and especially not for every new, nowhere-documented dnh-specific one :P 12:47 <@riker> blame the dude who doesnt believe in keeping a changelog 12:47 <@riker> ./s 12:47 "lol here is a subethaic component, but we don't tell you what it does. figure it out yourself, ask the developer, or consult the source :P" 12:49 yes, I know it's a lot of work to write actual in-game descriptions for every item. yes, I know they will probably sound boring and samey in a bunch of cases. Did I do so anyway? Yes. Do my players like it? Yes. :P 12:49 <@bubbles> better than nothing though 12:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 841 points, T:1135, killed by a gnome 12:50 <@riker> half those could be autogenerated amy 12:50 <@riker> like for intrinsics given and such 12:51 <@riker> you dont NEED to write them all manually :p but I respect your dedication 12:51 meh, autogenerating them is not fancy enough for me 12:51 writing them all out lets me put funny comments in there :D 12:51 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) killed Bolg, on T:21296 12:52 it's sometimes hard to know which shoes count as sexy flats or high heels 12:52 <@riker> that's fair 12:52 (or also, in some cases, omitting certain bits of information to keep the game mysterious and dark) 12:52 amateurhour: huh??? the descriptions do tell you about that; if the random appearance and base type are conflicting (one sexy flats and the other high heels), it counts as high heels 12:53 can't remember what type of shoe it was that I wore that didn't sound like either 12:53 but then some point could raise high heels skill 12:59 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law), 18965 points, T:2724, killed by a monster (river moccasin), while panic digging 12:59 * jonadab introduces caltrops, which poke right through almost all shoes but are stopped by iron boots. 13:00 -!- shadowcat has joined #hardfought 13:01 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) attained the rank of Bandit, on T:3249 13:01 steel-toed stilettos 13:01 they even sound similar 13:01 awwwwwwwww ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ aosdict you're responsible for my wetness now :P 13:02 i threw up a bit in my mouth 13:02 such cuuuuuuuuuuuute stiletto heels <3! 13:04 -!- elenmirie_ has joined #hardfought 13:04 <@riker> aosdict just log off now and dont read backscroll later 13:07 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) chose an elven dagger to be named "Sting", on T:4526 13:07 it's incredible that a single pair of high heels can be SO lovely! :D 13:10 <@bubbles> I was looking through bubblehack code but I am scared to do anythign because I know I will just lose motivation in a few weeks and then it will die again for a year 😕 13:10 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed wand of polymorph", on T:29032 13:11 -!- elenmirie__ has quit [Read error: Connection reset by peer] 13:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) polymorphed her first object, on T:29078 13:12 @bubbles: I still think it's because you wanted to rewrite the game in a different language, which would at least for me be way more dull than actually adding new stuff to the game 13:12 <@bubbles> Nah I like that bit 13:13 <@bubbles> I remember it was even at a point where I was adding game features not behaviour stuff 13:13 <@riker> amy tell me honestly that you dont sometimes feel like starting from scratch would be so much cleaner 13:13 <@bubbles> Maybe I should just pick like 10 items from dnh and see if I can implement those without much extra hackery 13:13 <@riker> when looking at the slex code 13:13 ^ no dont do that 13:13 you'll go blind 13:14 that which has been seen cannot be unseen 13:14 @riker: lol my honest answer is "no, I'm happy with slex's codebase and will definitely not want to go through the ENDLESS amount of work involved in starting from scratch" 13:16 <@riker> k2 I swear every time I try to open it my editor screams in pain 13:16 i believe you 13:16 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) rejected atheism with a prayer, on T:5870 13:16 try compiling 13:18 Gnomish mines stairs are always between level 2 and 4, correct? I'm playing splicehack and can't find them this game.... 13:18 si 13:18 it's not like I can get to the mines by digging down.... 13:19 well 'on' levels 2-4. between 2-4 implies dlvl 3 :P 13:19 YASI: branch teleport trap. like a level teleporter (only triggers once), but can also teleport you to a random branch :D 13:19 right...i've checked 2, 3 and 4. 13:21 YASI? 13:21 yet another...? 13:21 shadowcat: on rare occasions I've found the stairs in a tiny room adjoining a corridor accessible only by one secret door 13:22 shadowcat: YASI = yet another stupid idea 13:22 LarienTelrunya: that could be quite nasty 13:22 yeah depending on the implementation 13:22 Imagine a branch teleport trap taking you from dlvl 2 to, say, the castle 13:23 then again, vanilla doesn't have many branches to begin with 13:23 uhh the castle isn't a branch though... :P 13:23 fort ludios would be one 13:23 Indeed 13:23 i had two wands of digging and started just randomly shooting them in to blank locations on the map hoping that i'd hit a secret room, but i've used up the charges in all of them. 13:23 s/castle/fort ludious/g 13:23 s/ludious/ludios/g 13:23 <@bubbles> make it so it can't take you more than some "number" out of depth 13:23 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:1680 13:23 <@bubbles> (versus the max depth you have been to) 13:23 <@bubbles> So the mean thing would be to branchtrap them to mines then branchtrap them down to a deeper branch 13:24 <@bubbles> etc etc 13:24 <@bubbles> But more likely it would be a slightly more fun version of a trap door 13:25 <@bubbles> but yeah amy/riker name 10 dnh/slex items that would be "interesting" to implement 13:25 my cat has telepathy? 13:25 @bubbles: heh... 13:25 <@bubbles> no only its shadow! 13:25 1. stiletto heels 2. block heels 3. wedge sandals 4. sexy leather pumps 5. shoe monsters 6. artifact shoes 7. high heels skill 8. sexy flats skill 9. high heel traps 10. role that starts the game wearing high heels 13:26 :P 13:26 @riker now it's your turn! 13:28 * jonadab changes the unidentified-descriptions of the various magical boot types to things like "ugly boots", "really ugly boots", "very ugly boots", "horribly unfashionable boots", "unfashionably ugly boots", "horribly ugly boots", etc. 13:28 found it!! fortunately, a dwarf with a pick-axe showed up on my level and i just started hacking away until I found the room. 13:28 [hdf-us] [spl] shadowcat (Bar Inf Fem Cha) entered the Gnomish Mines, on T:6969 13:28 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 23324 points, T:1137, killed by an acid blob 13:28 lol jonadab! 13:29 some of those will probably be added to the pool of existing randomized appearances in slex :D 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) performed her first genocide (class L), on T:29597 13:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class h, on T:29597 13:30 jonadab: Also, "garish" and "unsexy" 13:30 <@bubbles> shadow which variant? 13:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Knight, on T:29602 13:30 <@bubbles> Also have I had my weekly "hidden doors are shit" rant yet? 13:31 "garish", I've never heard that word before 13:33 "Garish" means basically the same thing as loud. 13:33 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 27343 points, T:1077, killed by a wererat 13:33 but always in a negative sense 13:33 Except that "loud" is literal when refering to sound and figurative when refering to bright colors, and "garish" is literal when refering to bright colors and figurative when refering to noise. 13:33 ah I see 13:33 And yes, "garish" always has a negative connotation. 13:34 bright colors? ♥♥♥ fleecy! 13:34 imo it's closer to the description 'tacky' than 'loud' 13:34 @bubbles splicehack 13:34 Oh, man, the outfits in the music video for Tacky are _very_ garish. 13:34 hah yeah 13:34 okay. time to go back to work. 13:34 bye guys 13:34 seeya 13:35 -!- shadowcat has quit [Quit: shadowcat] 13:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Banneret, on T:29698 13:37 <@bubbles> amy those are all boots and while they might be interesting they are not interestingto implement 13:38 lol 13:38 scroll of punishment if you don't already have it in bubblehack 13:38 along with its ball and chain 13:38 <@bubbles> Interesting, yeah 13:38 * LarienTelrunya resists the urge to tell about how she sometimes gets horny just from implementing features related to high heels :D 13:38 <@bubbles> amy you literally just told us 13:39 <@bubbles> amateur I like that suggestion 13:39 LarienTelrunya: Do you own high-heel-shoe jewelry? Like, dangly ear-rings that are pairs of high heeled shoes? 13:39 <@bubbles> I want to bank up a list though because from past experience implementing one thing ends up me implementing that thing and then it is bad for everything else. 13:40 jonadab: IIRC my roommate gave me a miniature high heeled shoe once that could possibly be worn as an earring 13:40 scroll of fire as well bubbles 13:40 because it can damage things so is a good one for checking how well you handle that 13:40 <@bubbles> good - that implies dam,age 13:40 LarienTelrunya: Do you have a guaged ear piercing large enough that the heel of your finest-point pair of shoes could fit through it? 13:41 <@bubbles> might make it a fire trap tbh 13:41 one scroll triggers other events, so it'll be good to see how things cascade 13:41 jonadab: omg are you implying I would mutilate my ears??? 13:41 LarienTelrunya: I am just asking a shoe-related question. 13:41 I want to see how far your obsession goes. 13:41 <@bubbles> interesting - I wonder if it's best to have a function on the item for "on_burn", "on_wet", etc 13:42 Actually, I'm not entirely sure I want to know how far it goes, but eh. 13:42 <@bubbles> (on the item -> on the item spec) 13:42 LarienTelrunya: Do you pierce the flap of skin between your big toe and next toe, and wear jewelry there? 13:42 well it goes so far that my roommate said once, "Amy, if I wouldn't know you well, I'd think you're crazy. But I do, and so I think you're *extra* crazy." 13:42 And do you have any shoes specifically designed to show off said jewelry? 13:43 jonadab: uhh I don't pierce my skin at all, why the hell would I do that 13:43 f a s h i o n 13:43 * jonadab shrugs. 13:43 I don't either. 13:43 But you know, a lot of people do these days. 13:43 and for the record I don't have a tattoo either :P 13:43 Have you ever thought about a henna tattoo? 13:44 I once had a dream where I had voldemort's face tattooed on the back of my head 13:44 just wanted to share 13:44 (They last, umm, on the order of weeks, I think. So way longer than one of those cheap "fake tattoos" kids get, but not permanent.)P 13:44 not sure what a "henna" tattoo is but I did think about getting a tattoo once; decided against it 13:44 A henna tattoo is an Asian thing. It does not inject ink under the skin. 13:44 heh, ninjad I guess 13:44 [hdf-us] [nh370] Urc (Wiz Hum Mal Cha) killed the Oracle, on T:33015 13:45 <@bubbles> yeah henna is a dye 13:45 to get slex to compile with gcc 10 you just need -fcommon, other than that I think it just compiles fine fwiw 13:45 omg... this is awesome: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fucking,_Austria 13:45 anyone here from Austria? 13:45 <@bubbles> nah it's middle of the night in australia k2 13:45 <@bubbles> (I think) 13:45 Austria 13:45 kek 13:46 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) made her first artifact wish - "blessed Orb of Detection", on T:30177 13:46 <@bubbles> quickest way to oust an autrian is to call it australia though 13:46 LarienTelrunya: Wikipedia says a henna tattoo lasts 1-3 weeks. 13:46 ah I see 13:46 I really don't think I would get a tattoo done. I can't think of anything non-nerdy I want to tattoo 13:46 jonadab depends on the quality. my wife gets them from time to time (she has hippie magic) 13:46 nabru: Funny you should mention nerdy. 13:47 <@bubbles> above the butt crack: "You Are In a Maze of Twisty Little Passages" 13:47 My personal favorite idea for a tattoo, is to turn all the (visible when clothed) skin pale blue, like that one Star Trek race. 13:48 Pale blue is, as far as I know, not a possible color for a henna tattoo, so it would be a serious commitment. 13:48 Thus far I have not elected to do it. 13:48 <@bubbles> commit already! 13:48 <@bubbles> A CC clone was the first game I ever programmed!! 13:49 The fact that I have a weird phobia about needles, wherein every single time I get an injection of any kind I anticipate twitching and snapping the needle off under my skin, may or may not be relevant. 13:49 There's also the fact that most of the people I know over age 30 categorically disapprove of tattoos for cultural reasons. 13:50 That age goes up over time, though. 13:50 Then again, so does my age. 13:50 <@bubbles> omg jona please never ever say that about needles snapping off inside 13:50 <@bubbles> I almost vommed just reading that 13:50 <@bubbles> holy crap you better not have given me a phobia 😕 13:50 hah 13:50 <@bubbles> WHY would you even say that? 13:50 imagine the broken end of the needle sticking out of your arm 13:50 You wanna know the worst part, @bubbles? I once confessed this fear to my family doctor. He told me he'd only seen that happen once. I _think_ he was joking. Probably. 13:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Hmnyw-Pharaoh, on T:32750 13:50 and blood spurting out of it 13:51 <@bubbles> I suspect it wouldn't spurt it would just pathetically leak 13:51 who knows? 13:51 Actually, imagine the needle _shattering_, into, like, a hundred pieces, under the skin. And some of them getting into the bloodstream. 13:51 <@bubbles> ... no 13:51 It would only spurt if in an artery. 13:51 Most injections are done not in an artery. 13:51 (Some in veins, some in loose tissue.) 13:51 <@bubbles> And if it had enough diameter (guage?) 13:52 Yes, that would also be required for much spurting. 13:53 I don't know if a typical hypodermic needle has enough internal diameter for spurting, but I know that giving an injection, or taking blood for that matter, in an artery, is definitely not usual. 13:53 wrap your brain around this one - when i had my vasectomy, the anesthetic didnt work. i felt the whole thing 13:53 No, they give injections in veins, so that the shattered pieces of the needle can go *straight to your heart*. 13:53 <@bubbles> but why? 13:53 white-knuckle on the table for 35 min 13:53 K2: eep 13:53 trying not to move hah 13:54 You couldn't, like, _mention_ this fact, and see if they could use some additional anesthetics? 13:54 oh i did 13:54 only thing that numbed up was my skin 13:54 (Also, it's possible for anesthetics to work, and you still feel things. Dental anesthetics often just convert what would usually be pain, into more mundane sensations like pressure.) 13:55 i spotted the doc, told him i could feel what he was doing, he gave me more anesthetic (max amount), went back in and i could still feel it all 13:55 <@bubbles> ugh dental anaestehtics are the worst 13:55 <@bubbles> You tell them "IT IS NOT NUMB YET" 13:55 <@bubbles> And then they just go ahead and do their drilling and you are in pain 13:55 jesus christ people 13:55 spotted hah... stopped 13:55 <@bubbles> then like 15mins later your entire mouth is numb 13:55 Eh, my dentist is pretty good about that, @bubbles 13:55 <@bubbles> Mmm, my old one used to do you in two phases, get numbed, then go sit in waiting room while another patient was in 13:55 <@bubbles> but since then they are all poop 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Fighter, on T:3638 13:56 <@bubbles> K2 yeah I have had something similar with them giving more local but it not "penetrating" into the flesh, just kinda numbing the skin - mine was getting a giant needle stuck into my hip socket 13:56 <@bubbles> That was very very unpleasant 13:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:3735 13:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed the invisible Ixoth, on T:30912 13:58 My dentist likes to inject the anesthetic *right on* that one nerve at the back of the jaw. 13:58 oof 13:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) acquired the Bell of Opening, on T:30913 13:59 So he goes in with the topical anesthetic on the q-tip, wait long enough for it to kick in, then needle goes _iiiiiiinnn_ to the back of the jaw, which you definitely feel, but then he squeezes the plunger, repeatedly, until he empties the entire syringe. 13:59 And then he waits a bit more, and then you are numb for the rest of the day. 13:59 <@bubbles> hmm, often it is the pressure of the liquid getting injected that causes the pain 13:59 Yes, that part is more painful than anything that happens after. 13:59 <@bubbles> the dentist who I didn't hate bought a fancy electronic one that had a pressure sensor in the tip 14:00 I imagine this is because you're not already numb at that point. 14:00 <@bubbles> so regulates the flow of anaestehtic based on sensed pressure 14:00 <@bubbles> once upon a time I was in dental school 14:00 Oh, I forgot to mention, he slowly backs the needle out as he squeezes the anesthetic in. 14:00 -!- tacco\unfoog has joined #hardfought 14:01 <@bubbles> sounds like a good dentist! 14:01 Yeah, he's pretty good. 14:01 I've had no complaints since I switched to him. Well, not about his work. 14:01 * LarienTelrunya sits down on jonadab's back and places her block heels on his hands, causing them to go numb even without an anaesthetic. :P 14:01 I've had complaints about the stupid community I live in having a grandfather clause from hell that prevents us from having any fluoride in the water, like it's the nineteenth century. But that's not the dentist's fault. 14:02 LarienTelrunya: How much do you weigh? 14:02 last time I used a scale, about 74 kg IIRC 14:02 hahahah 14:02 ^ at jonadabs question 14:02 74 kg that's... [asks Google] Oh. no problem, I can just stand up. 14:03 I have a scale in my bathroom but I dread using it 14:03 <@bubbles> I like to think you are consulting your dnd players handbook there 14:03 probably gained a lot of weight during this quarantine 14:03 <@bubbles> Shhhhhhhhhhh 14:03 I can't lift that amount of weight with my _arms_, but my legs/back/shoulders won't be bothered. 14:03 <@bubbles> don't say it and it didn't happen 14:03 <@bubbles> and no one can see you 14:03 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed The Good Neighbor, on T:33179 14:03 <@bubbles> rude, ulance 14:04 watching Wacken online with no visitors 14:04 its not really like a festival lol 14:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Medusa, on T:31758 14:05 for whom it may concern, heaven shall burn is live at the moment 14:05 https://wacken-world-wide.com/ 14:06 <@bubbles> how can you watch that when the cricket is on stenno1?? 14:06 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 14:06 -!- aoei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 14:06 lol cricket 14:07 [hdf-eu] [slex] amateurhour (Mon Ang Mal Law), 221 points, T:423, killed by brainlessness 14:07 the frontman really suffers on the inside i think 14:07 every now and then he shouts like 'come on people' and stuff 14:07 brainlessness speedrun 14:07 but he is in an empty studio 14:07 <@bubbles> have you been to download ever stenno1? 14:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Chevaliere, on T:32034 14:07 no i have only been to hurricane once 14:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) genocided class R, on T:32047 14:08 <@bubbles> last year download was preeeetty good 14:08 <@bubbles> but very very very muddy 14:08 <@bubbles> fortunately we were not in the peasant camp that year! 14:08 i think i am too old for festivals 14:08 <@bubbles> never too old 14:08 <@bubbles> tons of people >50 at download 14:09 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 14:10 <@bubbles> I remember we visited the common camping area and saw this one girl who put her boot down in something like 10inches (25cm) of mud, got it sucked off into the mud and just gave up and sat down in the mud pool and cried 14:10 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of cloth falconry gloves entrusted to her by Crom, on T:24227 14:10 <@bubbles> 100% not safe for amy boots 14:11 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 14:11 well yeah stuff like that happens on festivals 14:11 urrrrrrgh that sounds terrible 14:11 german festival scene is prett wild 14:12 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) averted death, on T:24568 14:12 <@bubbles> Lamb of god was pretty good last year, slipnot not my cup of tea but still a good show 14:13 i would have liked to see slipknot in 2001 or so 14:13 but not now anymore 14:13 <@bubbles> yeah kinda tired/old now 14:13 only there for heaven shall burn, blind guardian and bodycount and i already missed bodycount 14:14 <@bubbles> blind guardian ❤️ ❤️ ❤️ 14:14 <@bubbles> did you ever play sacred? 14:14 i saw BG live in like 2003 or so 14:14 no 14:14 <@bubbles> They are in there and you do quests to get their instruments back for them 14:14 lol 14:14 <@bubbles> then there is an in-game concert scene 14:15 <@bubbles> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JyfE55c_ZjI 14:15 well blind guardian will be live tomorrow at 21:30 CEST 14:15 so you might give it a watch 14:15 but idk how good hansi still is 14:16 <@bubbles> ooh good tip will watch thankeee 14:16 <@bubbles> imagine adding headbanging to your anim rigs for a single 5min scene 14:16 hehe 14:16 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 14:17 heaven shall burn covered valhalla from BG and hansi has some backing vocals even 14:17 (also a german band) 14:17 <@bubbles> I think I like the ballady songs the most 14:17 LarienTelrunya: why not just fix the sighup handler itself instead of trying to work-around sighup cheating? 14:18 bards song then heh 14:18 <@bubbles> bards song yeah 14:18 <@bubbles> There is another band I think is german - "Sylvan"? 14:18 <@bubbles> Much lighter though 14:18 FIQ: because I don't know how; if you could point me in the right direction for making a handler that just escapes out of any prompt (like it apparently does in 3.6) you'll be my BFF for ever ♥ 14:18 <@bubbles> And then there is that musical I like "artus excalibur" 14:19 in fact, dnethack could benefit from such a handler too 14:19 didn't hear of them 14:19 basically, make sighups cause the game to treat all input requests as ESC and only bail out after, say, 200 inputs (which shouldn't happen and you could just print to stderr in that case so it can be looked at later in logs) 14:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:6055 14:20 the exception being the quit prompt which is skipped if the game is in sighup 14:20 yeah but *how*??? I have no idea which function to hijack 14:20 amulet of reflection. Not what I wanted, but OK 14:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the invisible Father Dagon, on T:33645 14:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the invisible Mother Hydra, on T:33646 14:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 8355 points, T:4142, killed by a dwarf lord 14:21 look at where SIGHUP has a handler registered Amy 14:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) consulted the Oracle, on T:6254 14:21 ugh, I've tried, spent hours already and couldn't figure it out even when looking at 3.6's code. 14:22 the fact that dnethack also still has hangup cheating is IMHO telling, if it was easy dnh would probably have it fixed by now 14:22 "u.hanguppenalty += 10; /* unfortunately we can't determine if you hanged up during a prompt! --Amy */" this is incorrect 14:23 the game needs to expose all prompt handlers to the windowport so the windowports know what to do with them 14:23 thus, of course, the game knows when you're in a prompt 14:23 well I already determine if you hanged up at a "prompt" but can we determine if you hanged up while it was actually your turn or not? 14:23 i.e. if you open your inventory, you're technically at a "prompt" but hanging up there doesn't give you any advantage because it was your turn anyway 14:23 hanging up at "The mumak butts!--More--", on the other hand... 14:23 ahh 14:24 I wonder if the game has a concept of a zero-time command 14:24 in 3.x 14:24 --More-- is a prompt 14:24 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 450 points, T:612, killed by a grid bug 14:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 4 points, T:525, killed by a newt 14:26 LarienTelrunya: you've clearly modified the hangup handler, so you *do* know where it's located 14:26 it's the hangup() function 14:27 yeah but I don't know how to make it so that it keeps sending escape codes when you hang up 14:28 wouldn't that just be a matter of setting a flag "hangup" or something (which the game apparently already does -- program_state.done_hup) 14:28 <@bubbles> any vast negative to having a "scroll of enchant item" -> hold the item to enchant it (fallback to a randomly worn item if nothing held) 14:28 and then make all input requests reply with esc if that is nonzero 14:28 FIQ: yeah but again, how? I need the actual function responsible for that 14:29 hey, how do i get Insight Merchants to respond to me? i can see them but they dont respond to me 14:29 it's one of the windowport functions 14:29 I forgot the name 14:29 one sec 14:29 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law), 176 points, T:696, killed by a small mimic 14:30 <@bubbles> asdfasdf wield an artifact and #chat to them 14:30 <@bubbles> asdfasdf it can't be a guaranteed-arti though 14:30 <@bubbles> e.g. from alignquest 14:30 <@bubbles> (like field marshall etc) 14:30 <@bubbles> can't be anything you need to win the game either (so no pen of the void, annualus) 14:31 there's also an easy way to test if a variant still has hangup cheating: start a game, D and select everything, hangup at the first "You drop a katana--More--" prompt. if you come back to the game and most of your items are still in your inventory, the variant has hangup cheating :P 14:32 ah, i was trying the field marshall, so thats prolly why. thank you! 14:33 <@bubbles> asdfasdf np I did the same for ages 14:35 all right so NH3, or at least slex (so anything 3.4.3) doesn't really have function wrappers that call the winprocs functions, they just have macros 14:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Vagrant, on T:14773 14:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:14781 14:36 but basically, the solution would be to define stub functions for all the windowport functions that checks for hangup and unless the windowport has explicitly told the game that it wants to handle sighup itself, ignore all the windowport functions 14:36 in favour of returning default values 14:36 that sounds like something that exceeds my coding skills :/ 14:37 the macros are located in include/winprocs.h 14:39 yeah but I have no idea how to edit them to do the hangup handling stuff 14:40 of course you still need to teach the windowport itself to be able to handle the sighup -- this is the part where the easiest solution would probably be to just return ESC on sighup in its input handling 14:41 that is the part where I'm completely at a loss, I have no idea how to teach that to the windowport from scratch 14:41 can't you write a patch for dnethack (I'm pretty sure Chris would want to implement it) and then I steal it for slex? :D 14:43 this whole thing depends on there being no prompt in the game where endless esc spam doesn't cleanly leave you in neutral turnstate eventually 14:43 otherwise you'd become stuck in an infinite loop 14:43 we could put a limit of 5000 ESC keystrokes or something 14:44 as a failsafe I mean 14:44 if only I knew how to do the actual handler implementation I'd already have done so, in fact 14:46 -!- spicycat has joined #hardfought 14:47 well for curses it's just a matter of finding all the "getch" calls and replace it with a wrapper something like curses_getch 14:47 which checks for program_state.done_hup 14:47 and if so returns DOESCAPE 14:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2245 14:48 not sure if this is a scoreboard bug or a dyna bug, but the "nude" conduct seems to get awarded randomly to some games. https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/OYuR4WiD/image.png 14:48 both of those ascensions, the char is wearing armor, and has "you put on armor 120 times" or so in the conduct section 14:50 [hdf-us] [xnh] zoya (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:2697 14:52 probably the scoreboard checking the wrong bitflag for nude 14:52 also the "all variants" conducts section only has games where no conducts were followed, instead of the best conduct games across all variants https://nethackscoreboard.org/conduct.all.html 14:55 dang, looks like tariru's 61-streak wasn't actually broken, it's just that game version stopped being available to play? 14:56 For NetHack Scoreboard questions, best to ask in channel nhs-dev 14:56 aw rats, too many nh channels 14:57 uhm yeah... 14:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law) completed Sokoban, on T:16222 14:59 that's the reason I dissolved the fiqhack channel 15:01 FIQ: so I guess I'd have to find all the getch() calls in tty? wouldn't they be somewhere in win/tty? 15:05 <@riker> @bubbles try to implement shemaghs, face covering helmets/robes 15:06 actually, function tty_nhgetch() in wintty.c already gives "randomkey()" in fuzzer mode, so it could probably be made to give an escape character when a hangup is pending 15:06 <@riker> those seem like things that would actually require a little bit to get working, more than just a normal item 15:07 <@riker> also sabers (any kind) but hold off on forms if you're planning on trying to stay up to date on dnh, they may be changing 15:07 ah, and 3.6 has HUPSKIP_RESULT('\033'); 15:07 <@riker> but sabers in general bc litsaber vs unlit, energy damage, shining, etc. 15:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:57307 15:17 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired the Book of the Dead, on T:57315 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) performed the invocation, on T:57323 15:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) has been given Excalibur, and now enjoys supreme executive power, on T:7691 15:20 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) killed the Minion of Huhetotl, on T:51658 15:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:8378 15:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) killed the high priest of Moloch, on T:57558 15:25 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) acquired The Amulet of Yendor, on T:57564 15:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 15454 points, T:5652, killed by a gnome lord 15:25 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 24 points, T:51, killed by a goblin, while praying 15:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 206 points, T:164, killed by a jackal 15:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:2466 15:29 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 107 points, T:347, killed by overexertion 15:30 [hdf-us] [dnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law) killed Illurien of the Myriad Glimpses, on T:30236 15:30 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Ith Mal Una), 14220 points, T:8615, killed by a horse called manny 15:31 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Cerberus, on T:35404 15:31 -!- aoei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 15:32 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:35482 15:32 @?rust monster 15:32 rust monster (R) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 18 | Res: none | Confers: nothing | MR: 0 | Generates: sheol gehennom dungeons | AC: 2 | Attacks: 0d0 touch rust, 0d0 touch rust, 0d0 passive rust | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, swims, metallivore, infravisible 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vis' ghost, the former Field Worker, on T:2661 15:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) destroyed Vis' ghost, the former Investigator, on T:2687 15:34 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 15:34 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) attained the rank of Woman-at-arms, on T:10208 15:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Rover, on T:57671 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law) made her first wish - "blessed +2 gray dragon scale mail", on T:18179 15:36 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered the Planes, on T:57724 15:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law) entered the Bigroom, on T:18372 15:40 alright newsflash: couldn't figure out how to do the hangup handler because 3.6 actually has a "sethanguphandler" function where 3.4.3 just sends a SIGNAL_HUP, but I found and fixed amateurhour's melon crash! it was a bug I introduced myself :( 15:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed greased fixed +2 silver dragon scale mail", on T:22764 15:44 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) had a dark blue spellbook given to her by Moloch, on T:15669 15:45 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2353 15:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) entered the Astral Plane, on T:58000 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) changed form for the first time, becoming a silver dragon, on T:23163 15:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:58048 15:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:58056 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) hit with a wielded weapon for the first time, on T:3812 15:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "uncursed magic marker", on T:58066 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law), 45471 points, T:18484, killed by a Green-elf 15:57 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) wished for "3 cursed scrolls of genocide", on T:58087 15:58 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) had Stormbringer bestowed upon him by Huan Ti, on T:4660 15:59 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Ith Mal Una), 1302 points, T:1784, killed by a piranha 16:01 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Pioneer, on T:58128 16:03 nice, what was the bug Amy? 16:04 erroneous change to breaktest() which determines whether kicking a melon will splat it 16:04 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 3116919 points, T:58178, ascended https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/o/oh6/nethack/dumplog/1595804048.nh.html 16:07 <@Asreal> congrats!! 16:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha) tasted meat for the first time, by eating a wraith corpse, on T:5921 16:09 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) was given the Garnet Rod, on T:28013 16:11 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the invisible Lamashtu, on T:36533 16:14 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 16:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] dgoddard (Mon Hum Mal Cha), 13934 points, T:7040, killed by a vampire 16:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] Som (Dna-Kni Dwa Fem Law) was given the Beastmaster's Duster, on T:28119 16:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) wished for "uncursed marker", on T:28750 16:26 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Pir Inc Mal Cha) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3917 16:26 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 16:27 thanks @Asreal! 16:27 jonadab: you can get blue skin without needles by giving yourself argyria 16:31 -!- theRaisse has joined #hardfought 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3024 16:32 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law) reached Mine Town, on T:3071 16:33 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law), 1843 points, T:3106, killed by a wand 16:35 [hdf-eu] [nh370] Vis (Arc Hum Mal Law), 775 points, T:1300, killed by a newt, while reading a book 16:36 [hdf-eu] [nh343] myn (Mon Hum Fem Neu) entered Gehennom for the first time, on T:29043 16:39 [hdf-us] [nh370] ShivanHunter (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 146623 points, T:29771, quit 16:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the invisible Kostchtchie, on T:36792 16:40 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 22605 points, T:7524, killed by a gnome lord, while fainted from lack of food 16:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Naome, on T:36862 16:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the invisible Belial, on T:36865 16:41 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Fierna, on T:36867 16:43 [hdf-eu] [nh370] AlbertB (Mon Hum Mal Law), 240 points, T:1364, killed by a brown mold 16:45 [hdf-eu] [nh343] myn (Mon Hum Fem Neu) killed Juiblex, on T:29830 16:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] qt (Val Hum Fem Law), 485852 points, T:32398, killed by an Aurumach Rilmani 16:50 <@riker> !lastgame qt 16:50 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/q/qt/dnethack/dumplog/1594761067.dnh.txt 16:51 <@riker> large silently-2x-damage swords hurt, hm 16:54 <@Asreal> wait so 16:54 <@Asreal> how much does weapon skill matter endgame 16:55 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Malcanthet, on T:37238 16:55 -!- aoei has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56 -!- Menchinator has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 16:56 You see here a lamp (for sale, 889 zorkmids) 16:56 lamp with extra added djinni? 16:57 1 free with purchase 16:58 (disclaimerdjinniinlampmayonlygrantonewish) 16:58 new! improved! 20% extra magic 16:59 (disclaimerdjinniinlampmaytrytokillyou) 17:00 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) wished for "blessed greased fixed +2 bone helm of brilliance", on T:37275 17:01 (ifyouareexperiencingcoughssneezesorshortnessofbreathafterinhalingpuffsofsmokecontactyourdoctor) 17:01 -!- LarienTelrunya has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 17:03 -!- Menchers has joined #hardfought 17:04 (rublampatyourownrisk) 17:05 (ifyouexperiencecompulsiverubbingoflampspleasegetthefactsatlamprubbersanonymous.com) 17:05 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Pir Inc Mal Cha) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 Aegis", on T:7508 17:06 -!- aoei has joined #hardfought 17:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Pale Night, on T:37558 17:10 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Pir Inc Mal Cha) killed Cerberus, on T:7896 17:13 "lamp rubbers" sounds like a phrase that sounds dirtier in the UK 17:14 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Mammon, on T:37575 17:15 heh, a rubber around here just means that thing you use to erase a pencil mark 17:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Daughter Lilith, on T:37578 17:15 what are you thinking? 17:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Mother Lilith, on T:37602 17:16 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Crone Lilith, on T:37604 17:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Bael, on T:37637 17:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Ran Gno Mal Neu) had Magicbane bestowed upon him by Venus, on T:22680 17:23 <@bubbles> @riker as in prevent dust storms doing damage? 17:23 <@bubbles> and dust vortex 17:23 <@bubbles> interesting yeah 17:23 <@riker> dust storms the terrain 17:23 <@bubbles> would mean impelenting an engulf attack 17:23 <@riker> both that + the terrain 17:23 <@bubbles> it protects against both! 17:23 <@riker> it does 17:23 <@bubbles> terrain seems a bigger thing to implement 17:23 <@bubbles> Maybe not 17:23 <@riker> that's why i suggested it 17:23 <@bubbles> Could just do it as static cloud 17:23 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) completed Sokoban, on T:17904 17:24 <@bubbles> ok on list 17:24 <@riker> the terrain in dnh has a function in allmain.c 17:24 <@riker> the function is for the dmg dealt, and it's called on a monster whenever htat monster is in a dust cloud i believe 17:24 <@bubbles> it;s more the moving of the cloud that I would need to implement 17:24 <@riker> so if your code can handle terrain & effects of it on monsters/you then it should be fine with shemaghs 17:24 <@riker> ah 17:24 <@riker> they don't move in dnethack 17:24 <@riker> just get bigger or smaller 17:24 <@bubbles> oh right! 17:24 <@riker> the center is fixed 17:25 <@bubbles> I thought they moved 17:25 <@riker> at least, not in mithardir - and i think stinking clouds are the same 17:25 <@riker> i believe tha'ts 3.6 plane of fire poison clouds 17:25 <@bubbles> ok much easier 17:25 <@bubbles> (much) 17:25 <@bubbles> Yeah would mean implementing terrain effects 17:25 <@bubbles> which is probably not horrible 17:25 <@riker> you asked for objects 17:25 <@riker> i chose 3 that required a framework in place already 17:25 <@bubbles> why do I have a hack.h and a bubble.h? 😕 17:26 <@riker> faced helmets/robes should be a lot simpler, idk about sabers 17:26 this is why you write good commit msgs 17:26 <@bubbles> struct Tile { enum_map entities; Glyph glyph; Glyph memory; Glyph &render(bool live); bool isWall(); bool hasDoor(); TileContents *contents = nullptr; int itemCount(); }; 17:26 "why is this like this? oh that's why" 17:26 <@bubbles> Cool I think I just need to add a new "Layer" and then the cloud is just another Entity 17:26 <@riker> if you're going to paste large clumps of text put them in gists 17:26 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 129 points, T:1151, killed by a goblin 17:27 <@riker> or at least move this to #nethack-variants 17:27 <@bubbles> sorry, didn;t thinkt hat was super large! 17:27 <@riker> i count large as more than 2-3 lines 17:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) averted death, on T:28465 17:27 <@bubbles> But yes since I already have a map of layer -> Entity a terrain effect is easy to add as a new layer 17:27 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law), 1578 points, T:3268, killed by a gnome lord 17:28 [hdf-us] [dnh] Alasnuyo (Arc Hum Mal Neu) became the Champion of Camaxtli!, on T:53444 17:28 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:28470 17:29 -!- tacco\unfoog has quit [] 17:29 which language are you writing this in? 17:29 oh I see a code snippet 17:30 <@bubbles> c++ 17:30 tfw not haskell to call ur variant nethask 17:32 <@bubbles> tfw the c++ code is still readable 1 year later! 17:32 <@bubbles> compare to "clever" code 17:32 hooray! 17:33 <@bubbles> oh yeah I did analog lighting too 17:33 <@bubbles> (though it quantizes to dark/weaklit/stronglit) 17:37 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Croesus, on T:28771 17:41 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law), 554 points, T:1883, killed by a gnome 17:43 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Ran Gno Mal Neu), 137761 points, T:24198, killed by a minotaur 17:46 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Inf Orc Fem Una) had Secespita bestowed upon her by Moloch, on T:17972 17:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Disruptor (Pir Inc Mal Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:11298 18:02 [hdf-us] [xnh] Starlock (Ran Elf Mal Cha), 902 points, T:2645, killed by a ghoul 18:05 [hdf-eu] [evil] Tomsod (Inf Ith Mal Una) became literate by engraving "test", on T:4390 18:06 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Cav Gno Mal Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:2689 18:07 -!- mobileuser has quit [Quit: Connection closed] 18:13 -!- qt_ has quit 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10721 points, T:5387, killed by a wolf 18:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) wished for "blessed fireproof +2 T-shirt", on T:32374 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) entered Gehennom, on T:32409 18:54 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) reached Mine Town, on T:5278 18:56 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) entered a temple, on T:5349 18:58 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bin Orc Mal Non), 586 points, T:1182, killed by a small mimic 19:07 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class L, on T:32407 19:08 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class ;, on T:32409 19:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) wished for "blessed +2 tie-dye shirt of shambhala", on T:19471 19:09 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) genocided class R, on T:32412 19:09 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bin Orc Mal Non), 1114 points, T:2315, killed by a pony, while praying 19:11 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) reached Mine Town, on T:3895 19:12 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a shop, on T:4062 19:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha) entered a temple, on T:4136 19:15 [hdf-us] [slex] MaxLunar (Nin Ang Fem Cha), 24738 points, T:9985, killed by a monster (pad soldier), while frozen by a wand 19:18 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had a pair of fencing gloves entrusted to her by Crom, on T:33506 19:19 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:3058 19:20 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Cookiedough (Bin Orc Fem Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:1848 19:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Juiblex, on T:33979 19:21 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the Wizard of Yendor, on T:38375 19:22 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Dame, on T:34132 19:26 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Cleaver bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:33697 19:28 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Glasya, on T:38584 19:29 <@bubbles> is ther ea way to engrave with only one of a stack of daggers? 19:30 [hdf-us] [nh370] Talentless (Cav Gno Mal Neu) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3713 19:31 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) had Giantslayer bestowed upon her by Crom, on T:33833 19:31 [hdf-us] [nh370] MHL (Kni Hum Fem Law) killed Orcus, on T:35047 19:33 <@riker> bubbles: drop all but 1 19:34 <@riker> since dnh (3.4.3) doesn't have adjusting a number to a different slot 19:35 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Daemon, on T:38904 19:43 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) was given their Quest, on T:20632 19:45 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) killed Medusa, on T:34708 19:47 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed fixed greased +3 gray dragon scale mail", on T:5682 19:49 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3007 19:51 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 6232 points, T:6929, killed by a white unicorn 19:53 [hdf-us] [nh370] Bliss56 (Cav Hum Fem Law), 2022 points, T:3434, killed by a giant ant 19:56 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed Asmodeus, on T:39387 19:59 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed amulet of reflection", on T:5965 20:03 -!- cebolla has quit [Ping timeout: 272 seconds] 20:08 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) killed the invisible Dark One, on T:21839 20:15 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) performed the invocation, on T:39851 20:16 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) made her first wish - "blessed +2 greased fireproof dragonhide cloak of magic resistance", on T:34976 20:16 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) made her first artifact wish - "blessed fixed Platinum Yendorian Express Card", on T:35824 20:17 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the elder priest of Moloch, on T:39863 20:18 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed Eyes of the Overworld", on T:35825 20:18 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Inf Ith Mal Una) destroyed rebatela's ghost, the former Student of Stones, on T:7551 20:19 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Staff of Aesculapius", on T:35826 20:19 [hdf-us] [evil] k2 (Inf Ith Mal Una) destroyed Tomsod's ghost, the former Heretic, on T:7566 20:21 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 Staff of Aesculapius", on T:35827 20:22 -!- j6p has quit [Quit: Leaving] 20:23 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 20:24 [hdf-us] [nh370] ichbinmiah (Pri Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 cloak of protection", on T:35851 20:24 <@Asreal> is that double arti wish a glitch? 20:25 <@ichbinmiah> no, it didn't materialize 20:25 <@ichbinmiah> on the first attempt 20:26 <@ichbinmiah> didn't get the Eyes either 20:26 <@ichbinmiah> "For a moment, you feel something in your hands, but it disappears!" 20:31 <@Asreal> ahh ok 20:31 <@Asreal> didn't know that could happen 20:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 75144 points, T:16055, choked on a python corpse 20:36 palm, meet face 20:36 had just eaten a blue dragon 20:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) entered the Planes, on T:40672 20:50 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) destroyed Pestilence, on T:41207 20:51 <@ichbinmiah> @Asreal yeah, the more artifacts you wish for, the greater chance you'll fail at it and burn a wish for nothing https://nethackwiki.com/wiki/Wish#Artifact_wishing 20:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) destroyed Famine, on T:41251 20:52 -!- sebastia1toby has joined #hardfought 20:52 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non) killed the invisible Center of All, on T:41260 20:52 <@ichbinmiah> this is to stop greedy people like me from loading up with all of the fun artifacts 20:53 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Bin Vam Fem Non), 12277220 points, T:41267, ascended 20:53 https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/m/microlance/dnethack/dumplog/1596036554.dnh.txt 20:54 <@ichbinmiah> gg microlance 20:54 -!- sebastiantoby has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 21:01 -!- cebolla has joined #hardfought 21:04 -!- asdfasdf has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 21:08 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc42a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 252 points, T:980, killed by a sewer rat 21:13 -!- stenno2 has joined #hardfought 21:19 [hdf-us] [dyn] arc43a (dragonspeaker) (Arc Hum Fem Law), 618 points, T:1274, killed by a large mimic 21:29 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) destroyed dgoddard's ghost, the former Initiate, on T:6537 21:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 41294 points, T:9633, killed by a legion devil soldier, while praying 21:47 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu) reached the bottom of the Mines, on T:7909 21:50 [hdf-us] [dnh] Gorvunculus (Bin Hum Fem Non), 31 points, T:75, killed by a jackal 21:52 [hdf-us] [nh370] oh6 (Tou Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Mines' End luckstone, on T:7743 21:56 @microlance congrats! 22:08 [hdf-us] [un] Thidwick (Arc Dwa Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:40038 22:11 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed the Abominable Snowman, on T:40705 22:14 -!- stenno1 has joined #hardfought 22:18 -!- stenno1 has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 22:39 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Wiz Dro Fem Cha), 702 points, T:1212, killed by Ms. Tuktoyaktuk, the shopkeeper 22:48 [hdf-us] [4k] charlotte (charles) (Val Hum Fem Neu) killed the ghost of hothraxxa, the former Archeologist, on T:9620 22:58 [hdf-us] [dnh] Heliokopis (Wiz Inc Mal Neu) was given Tensa Zangetsu, on T:26125 23:13 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 166 points, T:401, fell into a pit 23:14 [hdf-us] [nh370] Cropper (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:1, burned by molten lava 23:16 <{Demo}> how do u die on t1 to lava in vanilla? 23:16 <@riker> !lastgame cropper 23:17 @riker: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/C/Cropper/nethack/dumplog/1596165234.nh.html 23:17 <@riker> theme rooms and moving into the lava, apparently 23:17 <{Demo}> wow, I see why Amy calls it a variant 23:18 <{Demo}> maybe i knew that and was just working for a setup to say that ^ 23:18 <{Demo}> giant spider you die now is more bullshit than lava 23:18 <@riker> i am happy to oblige 23:18 <{Demo}> but t1 lava access is goofy 23:18 <@riker> yeah lava is just... weird, imo 23:18 <@riker> like, it doesn't make sense 23:18 <{Demo}> it's just a typo and die 23:18 <{Demo}> if no fire res 23:18 <@riker> why and how does the dungeon have lava, just, immediately? how deep are you 23:18 you can't DO anything with "lava access", it's not an advantage 23:18 <@riker> even with fire res i'ts still pretty much F 23:19 <@riker> doesn't it still wipe your flammables 23:20 yeah I don't like how the devteam members in https://github.com/NetHack/NetHack/issues/338 are basically saying that shops filled with lava are totally intentional 23:20 <@riker> that's a serious safety hazard 23:20 if nethack had typo-into-liquid protection it'd be less of a problem 23:21 <@riker> i still dislike it since it makes no sense 23:21 <@riker> at a minimum i'd say lava wouldn't spawn above like, polytrap level, since it has no gameplay effects except odd flavor 23:22 <@riker> (assuming your'e not dumb enough to step in it, and neither are monsters) 23:24 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Ran Gno Fem Neu), 5027 points, T:2752, killed by a winter wolf cub 23:25 I was going to say "then you should throw your support behind pull request #344" but you already did 23:25 <@riker> lmao 23:26 <@riker> i believe i have 23:37 [hdf-us] [evil] krm26 (Bar Hum Fem Neu) killed Thoth Amon, on T:43068 23:48 [hdf-eu] [dnh] microlance (Nob Dro Mal Neu), 2344 points, T:1797, killed by Ms. Tuktoyaktuk, the shopkeeper