00:01 ow jesus mother fucker 00:01 a wasp stung me on my thumb :( 00:02 weeee 00:02 love it when that happens 00:02 <@riker> how'd you manage that one? 00:02 and it seemed stuck so i had to pick it off of me 00:02 no idea i was outside walking home from the gas station in the rain 00:02 suddenly there's pain and i look at my hand there's a wasp stuck by its stinger to me 00:02 <@riker> but of all insects, I doubt many people would complain about extinctioning wasps or mosquitos 00:02 <@riker> this is further evidence 00:03 <@riker> aoei: did it die for its actions? 00:03 first i grabbed the wasp and threw it away, then i picked out the stinger itself 00:03 im not sure 00:03 it might have 00:03 i grabbed it pretty hard 00:04 i think i actually screamed lol 00:04 evil bastard wasp 00:05 <@riker> you gonna survive or nah 00:05 i think i'll live 00:06 still stings like a motherfucker and its starting to swell but im not allergic afaik 00:07 you're about to find out 00:07 how long ago did it happen? 00:07 idk 5 min maybe 00:07 <@riker> I'll call 999 if you stop chatting all of a sudden 00:07 <@riker> :p 00:08 you have any vinegar? 00:08 if so, dab some on the sting location 00:08 hm ill have a look 00:08 will help neutralize the venom 00:09 (for bee stings, use baking soda) 00:09 -!- Zackxs has left #hardfought 00:12 trying that 00:12 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 00:13 [hdf-eu] [evil] omghax (Inf Hum Fem Una), 0 points, T:166, killed by a lichen 00:14 oops forgot the whereis and who checks 00:14 !who 00:14 K2: [hdf-us] Tommo [dyn] | [hdf-eu] omghax [evil] | [hdf-au] spectre [xnh] 00:14 !whereis k2 00:14 K2: k2 is not playing. 00:14 first time being stung by a wasp in years 00:15 !whereis omghax 00:15 Tangles: [hdf-eu] omghax [evil]: (Tou Hob Fem Neu) T:18 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 00:15 i had a good streak going 00:15 this fucker ruined it 00:15 wee 00:15 au server next 00:15 <@riker> new conduct: never stung by an 'a' class monster 00:16 heh 00:16 lol 00:16 good thing it didn't poison instadeath me 00:16 i did a YANI recently, some human players start allergic to bees, if they get stung they have x amount of turns to apply an epi-pen or suffocate 00:16 hahaha 00:16 add it to EH 00:16 that would be evil... 00:17 if you add random allergies, might make sense to add random blind/deaf/limbless also 00:18 er, i mean like one limb, not like none limb 00:19 that would bee a great cataclysm dda trait 00:19 probably should give you a point or 2 to make up for the disadvantage of having to stay away from giant bees and wasps 00:19 <@riker> eventually somebody needs to implement a mutation system in nh 00:20 <@riker> my bets are on slex, dnh, or maybe spl doing it 00:20 aoei, at least the wasp only stung once. I heard that they can sting multiple times 00:20 oh they can 00:21 so can bumblebees 00:21 <@riker> I love bumblebees! 00:21 Bumblebees are cute and fluffy though :) 00:21 honeybees too 00:21 <@riker> there's some in my yard that'll sit on your hand and vibrate if you're calm 00:22 a few summers ago during a military training exercise, I was out in the middle of the woods validating land navigation points (I was a lead instructor). I walked face first into a low hanging hornets nest 00:22 <@riker> they're great 00:22 <@riker> k2 00:22 <@riker> I'm so so sorry 00:22 it was great 00:22 oh damn 00:22 only got stung once 00:22 wow 00:22 lucky 00:22 military uniform covers most of your body 00:22 not sure about the giant carpenter bees 00:22 <@riker> that's a better ratio than aoei 00:22 bugsniper, honeybees can only sting once 00:23 oh 00:23 cute and fluffy 00:23 nm 00:23 k2, I'm talking about them being cute and fluffy 00:23 <@riker> idk I trust the guy who snipes bugs 00:23 yeah i am the dumb 00:23 <@riker> sounds like an expert in the field 00:23 cute and cuddley boys, cute and cuddley 00:24 wasps sure ain't cute or cuddly 00:24 they can all die 00:24 ever seen a velvet ant? 00:24 don't think so 00:25 those mofo's can sting *hard* 00:25 google it 00:25 <@riker> they sound fleecy 00:25 wingless wasp 00:25 they also look terrifiying 00:25 <@riker> aka evil beyond redemption 00:25 heh 00:25 <@riker> oh they look neat 00:26 <@riker> man looking up that stuff always reminds me of that schmidt guy 00:26 I was once out camping... chilling out by the fire, and a jumping ant climbed all the way up my chair and stung me on the earlobe. 00:26 <@riker> who decided his life goal was to be stung by almost everything and to rate his pain. no bueno 00:27 omg Tangles 00:27 jumping ants from Australia are nasty 00:27 <@riker> proof Australia is uninhabitable 00:27 Yeah this one was an evil little prick. 00:28 those are the big ones that can run *fast* and will chase you right? big nasty jaws 00:28 <{Demo}> biter bug :[ 00:28 There are a few different kinds. This was one of the smaller ones. 00:28 Gave me a nice cauliflower ear though. 00:30 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Myrmecia_(ant) 00:30 fuck those things 00:30 <@riker> wow. that's horrifying to look at 00:30 they'll actually chase you 00:31 <@riker> ... I'm assuming a human can move faster than them? 00:31 yeah 00:32 <{Demo}> Indiana Jones movie ant scene 00:33 <@riker> holy shit, those ants are semi regularly responsible for human deaths? 00:33 <@riker> a consistent 1 per 4 yrs 00:40 !who 00:40 K2: [hdf-us] bbMalave [dnh] | [hdf-eu] No current players | [hdf-au] omghax [evil] spectre [xnh] 00:40 !whereis omghax 00:40 K2: [hdf-au] omghax [evil]: (Tou Hum Mal Neu) T:1 The Dungeons of Doom level: 1 00:41 [hdf-au] [evil] omghax (Tou Hum Mal Neu), 0 points, T:4, killed by a falling object 00:42 EvilHack updated (all servers) 00:42 ^ new version, new role (Infidel) 00:42 also giant samurai is a thing 00:42 <{Demo}> what's infidel 00:43 -!- Bliss56 has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 00:43 a new role 00:44 you are unaligned (evil) in the service of moloch. you start with the amulet 00:44 you have to make it to the sanctum, sac the amulet to moloch on the sanctum altar, then go back up wth your newly embued idol and sac it on the correct altar on astral plane 00:44 idol is your quest artifact 00:45 its pretty cool role. Tomsod invented it 00:45 i modified it a bit to make it fit with evilhack 00:47 [hdf-us] [dnh] bbMalave (Bin Inc Fem Non), 90 points, T:949, killed by a sewer rat 00:49 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 00:51 -!- raisse has joined #hardfought 00:52 gnite all 00:52 <{Demo}> night 00:52 <@riker> night k2 00:55 do any variants have like a dev blog? that's a really neat thing about crawl, is them explaining the bigger changes: https://github.com/crawl/crawl/wiki/Positional-Attack-Magic 00:58 <{Demo}> I'm nearly illiterate so ndnh has a confused changelog but that's all 00:59 are you the ndnh dev, demo? (pardon my noobishness) 00:59 rebatela: Message from K2 at 2020-07-19 19:54 EDT: congrats on your evilhack ascension! 01:00 <{Demo}> yes, I think 01:00 :) very cool 01:00 <{Demo}> or rather, sometimes 01:02 does that work? 01:02 how do i message him like he messaged me? 01:02 <{Demo}> not sure 01:02 hehe sorrry 01:04 cebolla: http://nethack4.org/blog/ and https://unnethack.wordpress.com/ 01:07 oh fun, thanks 01:23 [hdf-au] [xnh] spectre (Ran Hum Fem Cha) completed Sokoban, on T:13036 01:23 !tell rebatela this is how you send a message 01:23 Will do, bugsniper! 01:24 !tell bugsniper thank you :) 01:24 rebatela: Message from bugsniper at 2020-07-20 01:23 EDT: this is how you send a message 01:24 Will do, rebatela! 01:25 !tell k2 thanks, man! SO much fun! 01:25 Will do, rebatela! 01:27 Hmm that might be a bit broken. 01:27 !tell Tangles what? 01:27 Tangles shall be duly informed at the first opportunity, Tangles. 01:27 what? 01:27 Tangles: Message from Tangles at 2020-07-20 01:27 EDT: what? 01:27 nothing. 01:27 Hmm no that's all good. 01:43 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 01:48 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:48 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 265 seconds] 01:52 [hdf-au] [xnh] spectre (Ran Hum Fem Cha), 21580 points, T:13225, killed by an invisible stalker, while fainted from lack of food 01:53 -!- mobileuser has joined #hardfought 01:59 [hdf-au] [nh370] plisp (Wiz Elf Mal Cha), 0 points, T:8, killed by a scorpion 01:59 !who 01:59 Tangles: [hdf-us] Tommo [dyn] lapis [dnh] | [hdf-eu] mobileuser [evil] | [hdf-au] plisp [nh370] 02:00 !lastgame plisp 02:00 Tangles: [hdf-au] https://au.hardfought.org/userdata/p/plisp/nethack/dumplog/1595224709.nh.html 02:02 ah ok. Was playing with a wand of polymorph. 02:11 [hdf-au] [nh370] plisp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 560 points, T:1671, killed by a rabid rat 02:14 [hdf-au] [nh370] plisp (Wiz Elf Fem Cha), 160 points, T:447, killed by a bat 02:41 [hdf-us] [dnh] lapis (And-Ana And Fem Neu) killed Cerberus, on T:12337 02:50 @le?scorpion 02:50 bugsniper: Message from rebatela at 2020-07-20 01:24 EDT: thank you :) 02:50 scorpion (s) | Lvl: 5 | Diff: 8 | Spd: 15 | Res: poison | Confers: poison | MR: 0 | Generates: special | AC: 3 | Attacks: 1d2 claw physical, 1d2 claw physical, 1d4 sting drain str | Alignment: 0 | Flags: genocidable, carnivore, conceals, oviparous, poisonous 03:07 -!- amateurhour has joined #hardfought 03:07 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 03:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 03:32 -!- bugsniper has quit [Ping timeout: 240 seconds] 04:16 -!- stenno2 has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 04:27 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 04:32 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 04:54 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 04:55 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 05:12 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Fem Law) killed Croesus, on T:47346 05:21 [hdf-eu] [slshm] Sourdough (Mon Dop Mal Cha), 35976 points, T:5502, killed by a magical blast 05:23 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 05:26 -!- nengel has joined #hardfought 05:33 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Sourdough (Bin Inc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2032 05:48 -!- LarienTelrunya has joined #hardfought 05:48 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v LarienTelrunya] by ChanServ 05:53 -!- j6p has joined #hardfought 05:58 -!- rebatela has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:08 -!- nengel has quit [*.net *.split] 06:08 -!- dk657 has quit [*.net *.split] 06:08 -!- Muadd has quit [*.net *.split] 06:10 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Sourdough (Bin Inc Mal Non), 70258 points, T:9108, killed by a gargoyle 06:10 -!- nengel has joined #hardfought 06:10 -!- dk657 has joined #hardfought 06:10 -!- Muadd has joined #hardfought 06:11 -!- Xjs has quit [Remote host closed the connection] 06:11 -!- Xjs has joined #hardfought 06:46 how's it going? 06:47 yo amateurhour! just made a döner kebab and am eating it now, I'd be pleased to watch you play slex while I'm eating ♥ 06:47 LarienTelrunya: Message from amateurhour at 2020-07-19 17:01 EDT: https://0x0.st/ivkz.png <-- this is in the sewers, lol 06:47 and heh, that sewer level would be easy if you were to lose flying so you can walk through the tunnels 06:47 I'm working unfortunately 06:48 as an angel, you can disable flying by getting negative alignment record 06:48 yeah there were enough gaps to skip it fortunately 06:48 ended up dying to a kick in the balls 06:48 heh 06:48 !lastgame amateurhour 06:48 LarienTelrunya: [hdf-us] https://www.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/evilhack/dumplog/1589035969.evil.html | [hdf-eu] https://eu.hardfought.org/userdata/a/amateurhour/slex/dumplog/1595119540.slex.txt 06:49 wow, it was an elegant woman with very sexy heels ♥♥♥♥♥♥♥ 06:49 * LarienTelrunya has a spontaneous orgasm :) 06:49 I had terrible AC because of a trap I had just stood on that put boots of safeguard on my feet 06:49 instead of my much more fun unfair stilettos 06:50 heh, but the elegant woman was wearing stilettos of some sort! ♥ 06:50 went from like -16ac to -6 a few steps before :( 06:50 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 06:50 I had so much good unidentified stuff, really struggled with identifying things 06:50 is there any way at all to price id wands, scrolls, potions? 06:50 no, and for the record there is also no way to price id anything else in slex (if there is, it's a bug) 06:51 when gold drops are buffed will there be enough to consistently id things? 06:51 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Sourdough (Bin Inc Mal Non) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:2497 06:51 because that's probably my biggest issue, not knowing wtf I have 06:52 eh, probably not. you're supposed to also sometimes take a risk and use an unidentified item :P 06:53 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 06:54 except 9 out of 10 items seems to autocurse and gank you 06:54 lol 06:54 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 258 seconds] 06:57 was I hallucinating monsters randomly because of sanity reasons? 06:57 because after sanity was completely restored it still continued 06:58 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 06:58 Your sanity was 2151 06:58 is what the dumplog says 06:59 and yeah if sanity is higher than 900, you start sometimes seeing monsters as random other ones 06:59 huh? I prayed and it said sanity completely restored and things 07:00 weird, should have said something like "your sanity was reduced greatly" 07:00 did my god just lie to me? fickle guy 07:00 wait, I'll take a look at the ttyrec 07:00 I probably played very embarassingly pls no judgerino 07:00 training martial arts is slow as molasses 07:00 nah don't worry, you got farther than most slex players 07:02 one day I'll manage to beat the mainframe, died on the way to it this time 07:02 yeah those four prayers said "your sanity was reduced greatly" three times and "your sanity was reduced" once 07:02 but it was still far above zero 07:02 hey how did you find the turns where there was prayer? 07:02 also there is an option "showsanity" that displays your current sanity on the status line 07:03 just reading the raw file rather than viewing it? 07:03 heh, I grepped the ttyrec for "prayer." (as part of the "You finish your prayer." message) 07:03 yeah 07:03 ah why didn't I think of that 07:03 btw I wish those unfair heels only autocursed once, they're actually really cool 07:03 they are? :D 07:04 yeah lol, big AC and MC bonus 07:04 but well, they have to live up to their name, don't they? 07:04 I wanted to take them off and try on other shoes 07:05 think the reason I was struggling for food for so long is the dropstone I had 07:06 heh that is the one that makes monsters not have death drops, right? 07:06 yeah 07:06 my guess is that the reason was another :P corpses are delicious! 07:06 didn't have a hungerstone or whatever it's called 07:07 I would eat vegan corpses whenever possible, but was constantly hungry till I got rid of that stone 07:07 weird, the stone shouldn't affect that... 07:08 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 07:09 -!- rebatela has joined #hardfought 07:12 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 246 seconds] 07:15 missed out on a lot of food rations 07:15 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1335 points, T:2300, killed by a giant spider 07:15 sorry for slow reply 07:15 but that's why^ 07:17 oh you mean you actually got a bunch of them from monster death drops? normally permafood should be relatively common due to all those sokoban levels anyway 07:18 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Sourdough (Bin Inc Mal Non) completed Sokoban, on T:7082 07:18 didn't find any food really in the space base floors for some reason 07:18 maybe it was all in pools 07:27 -!- jannis has joined #hardfought 07:31 -!- Xjs has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 07:54 [hdf-eu] [evil] mobileuser (Sam Hum Fem Law) defeated Kathryn the Ice Queen, on T:48292 07:58 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 08:03 -!- qt_ has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:09 -!- stenno has joined #hardfought 08:11 !whereis nabru 08:11 nabru: [hdf-us] nabru [evil]: (Inf Ith Fem Una) T:189 The Dungeons of Doom level: 2 (with Amulet) 08:14 -!- stenno has quit [Ping timeout: 264 seconds] 08:15 -!- jannis is now known as Xjs 08:18 -!- qt_ has joined #hardfought 08:26 [hdf-eu] [dnh] Sourdough (Bin Inc Mal Non), 121074 points, T:14690, killed by a dwarf zombie, while reading a book 08:29 YANI: a top floor with peaceful shops and civilisation (like angband), on the ascension run it's in ruins with a portal to the planes exposed 08:30 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) killed the invisible Orcus, on T:73405 08:33 [hdf-eu] [slshm] Sourdough (Mon Dop Mal Cha), 111 points, T:180, killed by a poisonous cloak 08:35 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 296 points, T:320, killed by a large mimic 08:36 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Fem Neu) killed Axus, on T:17402 08:50 [hdf-eu] [slshm] Sourdough (Mon Dop Mal Cha), 9484 points, T:3022, killed by a raven 08:51 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 08:55 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Inf Orc Mal Una), 536 points, T:748, killed by a gnome, while praying 08:55 -!- tommo has quit [Ping timeout: 256 seconds] 08:58 ^ no giant samurai amateurhour? 09:00 [hdf-eu] [evil] amateurhour (Inf Orc Mal Una), 659 points, T:1282, killed by a baby owlbear, while praying 09:04 [hdf-us] [evil] nabru (Inf Ith Fem Una), 289 points, T:396, killed by a gnome zombie 09:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) reached Minetown, on T:1072 09:09 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) had Mjollnir bestowed upon her by Tyr, on T:1078 09:12 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law) attained the rank of Wanderer, on T:3277 09:13 -!- qt_ has quit [Quit: qt_] 09:14 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Cav Dwa Mal Law), 2163 points, T:3482, killed by a kitten 09:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Fem Neu) destroyed the Arsenal, on T:18141 09:15 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 0 points, T:4, killed by a goblin, while dragging an iron ball 09:15 wow T:4. THat might be a personal record. 09:16 gratz :P 09:17 \o/ 09:17 K2: Message from rebatela at 2020-07-20 01:25 EDT: thanks, man! SO much fun! 09:18 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 119 points, T:316, killed by tumbling down a flight of stairs 09:18 Yeah ok that one only started with 9HP 09:19 [hdf-us] [xnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 1943 points, T:1901, killed by an ettin mummy 09:36 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 640 points, T:1811, killed by a gnome lord 09:38 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 16 points, T:129, killed by a water demon 09:40 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 93 points, T:299, killed by a jackal 09:42 amateurhour: what happens to the top level if you return to it after having grabbed the amulet but have since dropped or lost it? 09:42 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 16 points, T:130, killed by a water moccasin 09:42 also I personally think a bunch of guaranteed shops at the start would trivialize a lot of the very early game, namely searching for gear, if you start with more than a couple hundred $ 09:43 also trivializes a lot of the id game if you can price id anything just by returning there 09:43 easy fix, remove price id :P 09:48 Yeah price ID is one of those 'strategy' things players use to gain an unfair advantage. Better scrap it. 09:48 get rid of ranged weapons while you're at it. 09:48 and it's also annoying and cumbersome as hell, picking up the item, checking the price, comparing it with the official spoiler, #name-ing it something, then dropping it again... and repeating that for every single scroll, potion etc. 09:49 every. single. game. 09:49 players who go through many characters and who therefore keep seeing the early game are doubly punished, because they'll have to do that all the time and it really distracts from actually playing the game 09:49 (late game, inventory management distracts from actually playing the game, but that's another story) 09:49 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) polymorphed her first object, on T:76257 09:50 or, just don't worry about price id'ing. I usually dont care about it too much 09:50 so don't do it. Nobody's forcing you. 09:50 in vanillaoid variants I usually just do it for scrolls until I find identify, but I'd still prefer it to not exist at all 09:51 hmm. if only you had the ability to create your own variant... 09:51 hmmmm 09:51 lol :P actually I didn't touch any non-slex variants for a long time now 09:52 All those daggers and arrows you have to wander around and pick up after you've fired them... so tedious. 09:53 heh, maybe we should make it work like in elona, where ammo never runs out, you just equip one and can shoot for all eternity :D 09:53 if only an option like autopickup existed 09:54 Which parts of the game count as 'actually playing' I wonder. 09:54 Tangles: exploring the dungeon, fighting monsters, that kind of stuff... not trying to micromanage the inventory so that I'm at 999/1000 instead of 1004/1000 weight :P 09:56 -!- AntiGulp has joined #hardfought 09:56 -!- mode/#hardfought [+v AntiGulp] by ChanServ 09:56 aosdict: I figured once you actually have achieved getting the amulet it'd be in ruins, but not really thought of the particulars 09:56 AntiGulp! *bundlebundlebundle* ;) 09:56 :) 09:56 morning! 09:56 haha, afternoon here 09:56 for example, doesn't have to have shops either, you know? just civilisaion idk 09:56 also that was a reference to you getting bundled by someone other than me while I was gone :D 09:57 Yeah seeing that from aosdict was v confusing 09:57 also for the record I like all the informal id methods 09:57 Also a town level would be so cool 09:57 and I like managing inventory 09:58 AntiGulp: unnethack has that 09:58 oooh 09:58 not at the top of the dungeon but there is a town with various shops 09:58 slex has the unnethack town too ;) 09:58 and there are a couple different types of shops 09:59 slex also makes it so you can't price id anything, buy anything as you have no money, or sell stolen goods to get money 10:00 :P 10:00 I agree with amateurhour. Learning and using various techcniques to get an idea of what items are safe to use before actually using them is an important part of 'actually playing' the game. If the only way to find out what an item is (once you run ot of ID scrolls) is to YOLO it and see what happens, then the difference between dying and ascending is based on chance rather than skill. 10:01 I mean it already is, but even more so. 10:01 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 41008 points, T:4902, killed by a hallucinogen-distorted Green-elf 10:01 [hdf-us] [dnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) entered Minetown for the first time, on T:810 10:02 In 3.6 or 3.7 price ID is very easy anyway. 10:02 I found the best bug in splicehack: Conflict will cause monsters to throw and shoot at each other, even if not within line of sight. Discovered in development when I put a ring on in the castle and immediately heard a half dozen explosions as all the soldiers simultaneously tossed their grenades at each other. 10:02 Unnethack has a lot of things - i'm starting to notice that variants end up reinventing the wheel on things that are already in unnethack 10:02 [hdf-us] [dnh] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law), 344 points, T:958, killed by a small mimic 10:02 That’s because bhaak is good and so is Un 10:02 [hdf-us] [nh370] nabru (Val Dwa Fem Law) murdered Charlotte, her faithful kitten, on T:737 10:02 lol, variants of all kinds keep reinventing wheels, I've mentioned that in the past 10:03 not so much reinventing the wheel, but maybe wanting to do things their own way 10:03 or just be like slex and carbon-copy every feature everywhere 10:03 it goes so far that when I stole some of them for slex, I called them "nih " to distinguish them from the "original" one that I stole from another variant :P 10:03 well, the copies in slex are somewhat less than carbon 10:04 in some insatnces but not many that i've seen 10:04 it'll be like, the same name, but none of the mechanics 10:05 [hdf-us] [xnh] every (Mon Hum Fem Law) entered Sokoban, on T:5531 10:06 That reminds me, I need to ask Chris about potentially stealing dnh’s drow. They’re too cool for school 10:06 but anyway, thinkin zombie/other undead plagues, permapoisoned grimtooth (buffed artifacts that are crappy in vanilla in general), reduced/removed penalties in sokoban, making dragon scale less ubiquitous/wishable, etc 10:06 UnNetHack updated (all servers) 10:06 ^ bhaak 10:06 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) had Frost Brand bestowed upon her by Hermes, on T:76766 10:06 it's all in un already :D 10:07 not really 10:07 unnethack has a lot of changes yeah but it doesnt have every cool new feature 10:07 several other variants have some unique and cool ideas 10:08 cebolla: when I have pulled features from unnethack I usually have to change them to fit 3.6/3.7 conventions 10:08 i... didn't say they don't! O_o 10:08 i simply was noticing, as i read back through Un's blog, that a lot of things which seem new in one variant or another, end up being something that Un had in 2012 10:09 someone needs to ascend evilhack and overprepare or collect gems or something so i don't have the two "best" scores... 10:09 don't worry, i didn't suddenly fall out of love with splicehack and fourk :P 10:09 cebolla if you dig deeper, you'll notice that a lot of 'new' things in unnethack came from either slash'em or sporkhack 10:10 slash'em is arguably the first true variant 10:10 liquid leap <3 10:10 what, not the long storied history of slash'em predecessors? 10:14 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Fem Neu) wished for "the blessed fixed Garnet Rod", on T:18365 10:14 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 11873 points, T:428, killed by a jackal 10:18 -!- AntiGulp has quit [Quit: *dissolves into golden butterflies*] 10:18 -!- bugsniper has joined #hardfought 10:18 [hdf-us] [fh] groovejumper (Tou Hum Fem Neu), 23977 points, T:1176, killed by a green mold 10:22 K2: you take that back! 10:23 K2: "a lot of new things unnethack came from either slash'em" 10:23 K2: how dare you badmouth unnethack so much! 10:23 ♥ slashem, best variant before I started making slex :D 10:23 I don't think Un has much in common with slash'em. Definitely sporkhack though. 10:24 but seriously, there is surprisingly few stuff in slashem that fits into a normal nethack variant 10:24 originally slex was planned to be an unnethackified slex actually, but I quickly started adding my own crazy stuff :D 10:24 lot of overlap between dnh and slashem though. 10:24 *unnethackified slashem 10:24 the blackmarket doesn't count, that was a separate patch before it got into slashem :-) 10:26 vampires and the blood potions are the biggest thing I got from slashem. 10:26 do vampires wear opera cloaks in Un? I can't remember. 10:26 some 10:26 some do 10:27 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +2 boots of flying", on T:18414 10:27 the nymph level is also from slashem. explains the uncomfort I have with it :-) 10:28 bhaak: your nymph level is very different though and appears way too early! no normal char (that didn't level up a ridiculous amount of times) will be able to handle that at oracle depth 10:29 yeah, I got killed in the nymph level a lot in unnethack 10:29 I think a "normal char" wouldn't by definition have leveled up a ridiculous amount of times 10:29 it's not the nymphs that kill you, but the tigers and leocrottas and elf-lords and whatnot that spawn while you're busy with the bitches :P 10:30 a normal character with a blessed scroll of genocide would do just fine there 10:30 a wand of cancellation is handy too. 10:30 how about jonadab's proposal to have a nymph (and foocubus) level in gehennom, the Garden of Temptation? 10:30 but probably one is not enough for all of them. 10:31 That exists in fourk. There are some nasty higher-level nymphs in that variant too. 10:31 the wand of cancellation will be good for them exactly as long as none of them happens to steal it with laser-point accuracy, because one single misstep and they always, without fail, steal whichever item is most useful for you :P 10:32 That is surprisingly accurate. 10:33 Actually I think the lower-level nymphs in fourk are nerfed - they only teleport a few spaces away when they steal something iirc. 10:33 bhaak :P 10:33 a wizard would do just fine in the nymph level, being able to cast force bolt with abaddon while destitute 10:33 bugsniper: rip luck though 10:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) destroyed Vlad the Impaler, on T:78333 10:34 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) acquired the Candelabrum of Invocation, on T:78334 10:35 yep, don't wish for 70 years after dealing with that level 10:35 are there usually 10 nymphs total? 10:40 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 219 points, T:850, killed by a jackal 10:42 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Arc Dwa Mal Law), 62 points, T:215, killed by a bear trap 10:43 bear trap... nice 10:45 [hdf-au] [spl] Tangles (Con Orc Mal Cha), 44 points, T:176, killed by a falling rock 10:45 let's see if I can get all the traps/ 10:47 once you get all the traps, you can play slex for a lot more traps 10:48 slex's traps are insane, and I'm pretty sure there's lots missing from the wiki article 10:48 yeah the wiki page is out of date 10:48 [hdf-us] [dnh] KrO2 (Ana Inc Fem Neu) killed Oona, on T:18596 10:48 there's a satan trap for example than does god knows what unholy thing\ 10:49 means that when you go to another dungeon level, you're paralyzed for one turn 10:49 oh, I wondered why I was doing that 10:49 lol 10:51 [hdf-eu] [nh370] lacca (Hea Hum Fem Neu) wished for "blessed fixed +3 t-shirt", on T:80352 10:51 -!- tommo has joined #hardfought 10:52